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[Music] you're jumping into your asslicked
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Park and they don't know what's going on they're like are there real dinosaurs out there are they licking each other's
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asses I mean I mean really instead of Bugs Bunny
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and Disneyland shaving Ry Ryan's
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privates it's a war movie but it's a little different and don't even get on
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Schindler's [Music] fist welcome to Superfly this is David
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Spade and we got Dana Carvey uh to all of our the two fans around the world
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thank you the two people that look the same but we really don't but but you put in the comments every day okay um I
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literally put my head in a blender oh yeah your hair I kind of like it like that well you know I tried to do
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the day after hair so I watched it last night and then and then it didn't take
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it didn't take it didn't take it just went weird I don't know anyway whatever
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uh we'll do a whole episode on hair at some point we might we're trying to get a per plus uh collab sponsor okay so
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here's what happened when I was on the road I'm going back on my Southern tour Dana by the way which is going so we were both on the road car yeah so you
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went you went down to North Carolina no that's my next leg but this leg was
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Atlanta Water went out um they had a state of emergency yeah no water nothing
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and the in the in the in the city of Atlanta no water yeah they half the city and then they I thought it was just our
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hotel but then they go you want a bottle of water and I go I'll take two one for
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the shower one for the bath and it's tough I mean this sounds gross it's not
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but when you go number two the the front desk said could you Beach it you know on on the edges and then we'll fix it later
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I said I'm glad he said number two beat it if you wouldn't mind all the
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guess if you could beat your turds you have a lot of gastrointestinal issues on the road there's a lot
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gastrointestinal in well my microphone wants to rise up like a like a crescen
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trick all here we go I'm wearing black so we are [ __ ] exactly the same all right so I go to the mall which is all
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you do on the road and uh usually buy nothing you just wander mhm it's just to get steps and then I go into Macy's and
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it's old guys there and I'm looking for I hate to be embarrassed even though I talk about beaching um
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undergarments okay you know you were looking for underwear yeah so I say to
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the guy hey all right he can't really hear I go hey um where are the uh
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men's you know undergarments he goes Underpants and I go nope and I see
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people go couple people is that a whisper Mir cats because I don't want to know and then
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they the underwear yeah because and he goes where is the Underpants now he
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doesn't know and now he's I'm like I can say that I can yell it to the store but
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he's like looking around and I go I did you work here I thought you might know something he goes I think Underpants
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would be this way so he's I'm following him everyone's like that guy from grown-ups and he's Underpants is horrifying so I'm like hey everybody and
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then he gets there and he goes there you go and then there's like a wall Calvin Klein 80 ft high so you know so I go I
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almost need the ladder you know like at the library so I go in there and I'm like and I I pick one up and he goes are
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those unfancy I go are you still here I'm here I got it I got it from here and
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then he's just still and I think he takes a few steps back and then I pick up some some of those boxer kinds and he
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goes oh you like the tight ones hug your leg and it'll show off okay that's
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enough that's enough and then anyway I got some Underpants and left that's all I went I
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went shopping for once in the South and the guy it was similar to that guy but
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what he'd say oh you want you want some underpanties I
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go go you I think you you need some underpanties let's go over here and find
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you some underpanties oh humiliating I know was so feminine I don't know where
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draw what about drawers well you need some drawers you need some boxes you need some
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underpanties but you can all go free zone like I do look look free ball feel
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my balls they're like clackers in there I don't like the free balls it was
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pouring in Houston so I was just in a room for 36 hours I mean it was torrential lightning storms so I went a
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little crazy so I was just in my underpanties bouncing up top of the bed and I was crying myself to sleep I was
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this far to the TV I was ordering rooms I mean 36 hours in a regular room
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because I don't like sweets I mean people are very generous in these gigs but I don't want to get up middle of night walk a half mile or bump into
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table so I just get a little room I like yeah I don't want a resort place where they go oh we'll get on a cart we'll
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take you to eat we'll get on a cart we'll go to the pool I go I just want to be near things I don't want to go out in
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that Tundra especially when it's pouring pissing rain so so um I had two flights
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on the way out my seat mate was a a sweet old woman with two masks on that
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kept to herself and never left her seat in red that was great the way back everything's kind of mellow people
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loading in guy jumps in next to me I want to say 68 300 lb I mean literally
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just a giant person he's got a carry-on suitcase and the handle won't go down so
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he's trying to get it down he's got these giant fists and he's haming I got to get it down I don't know where he was from from I can't get it down he starts
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pounding it really hard again again again it's like he's not pushing the
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little button he's just trying to Ram it in no he's trying that it's literally broken finally I found a guy and he came
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over oh just put it back there eight rows back don't worry about it but that was just the begin I'm trying to relax I
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got a coar light I don't like to fly again again stress stress sweating not
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good then he tries to jam it in it doesn't fit [ __ ] this it's a lot of tension yeah they're like
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sir you have to check it no one wants to check it that's no wants to watch F worse than death with your giant meaty
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fist pounding on Samsonite loose loose luggage thing get a better one I go how
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old is that he goes it's 10 years old you know come on guy yeah it's time you're in first class get get get a
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suitcase I heard Jimmy uh Bon did a funny I think you got some Biden stuff but he did a funny joke about Biden
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which isn't always the case on these talk shows it's kind of funny that they you know go both ways oh okay he said uh
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he said Biden was over in France and uh and talking about the Olympics and he
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suggested some new events like the uh 100 yard wander and the and synchronized squinting that's
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pretty funny yeah those are good jokes it's got a queue in it it's funny yeah
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that's are funny jokes as the people know I just figure in the first debate at some point with Trump he'll look at
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him and go what are you some kind of monster come on man you're like you're like the Creature from the
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Black Lagoon that came out of the Lagoon and scared all the teenagers I play I play the creature of
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Black Lagoon I got of the Navy they said you want to put the suit on it's a rubber suit so I play the creature of the Black Lagoon came out and scared all
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the teenagers you played them I played them I played him in 19640 40 45 55 but
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I so sold 45 47 48
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4 yeah yeah I have a trump thing this these are just quick quick hits these
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are called quick hits Trump the only way to get out of the convicted feling thing I'm announcing right now it just
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happened in the last six hours I divorced Melania I went to the courthouse and now I'm completely
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legally married to miss Stormy Daniels stormy Trump Mrs stormy Trump is my wife
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and she can't testify against her husband so the whole case is throwing out because of Mrs stormy Trump I did it
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again that's his only way out is to marry her her testimony to be thrown out
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and he's free as a bird why is he thinking about that that's really smart it was a quick hit comedy
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bit you know I'm saying he should think that because that's pretty good it's funny and it's it gets things
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done I'm going to go out on a limb and just say these are wild times and very divisive times MH that's all yeah all
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right well let's get to some headlines and we will let's headline it up yeah what do we got anything uh I will read
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this and I'll add my own thing good giant venomous flying spiders May invade
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New York this year get [ __ ] by the way Dana I don't like walking spiders I
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don't like spiders just that can travel on the ground and on the walls I definitely don't need them dive bombing
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me land sting Fly Away and to be giant I don't like that word
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giant venomous flying spiders look they have a flag behind it and they have American flag behind it maybe it's a
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military weapon or something oh God that's a good idea yeah if you what what would you okay would you rather have a
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snake in your bed as you get in or a giant venomous flying spider now listen
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this is an easy no-brainer for me because okay snake spider
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I am okay with snakes my brother had five snakes actually rattlesnakes in a
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cage in his room in the house when we were like 10 and 12 and he also had a
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boa that got loose in the house and he had a python that got loose in the house so we went to bed for three weeks not
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knowing where the python was where the boa was my mom was like oh and then we went to sell the house I
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was in the living room and they were showing the house and I look up and I see it in the books and I'm like this
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might be the worst time to mention this to the new buyer but we found one of the
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snakes wow and uh that's not a great sales uh did you close escrow did you
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sell it yeah we got our 14 Grand or whatever House cost then but I I think
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what if Bill Gates is involved because didn't he make mosquitoes I don't want those either I don't think anyone that
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does this job should go into making mosquitoes just it's just feels like two
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different businesses so making Bill Gates May to to help Africa with malaria
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or something I think but there I and this needs to be in the comments someone tell me because I've got my head on my
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ass but he either made them obviously in a positive way genetically engineered
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them maybe to like Sting another mosquito and knock or not pass malaria make them something imponent in that way
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sterilize them dry had a snake or a bow constrictor around your neck yes okay
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you tell me your story I'll tell you mine okay I'm oh I'm sorry I thought you were just oh you have one I was just saying it's not the place you want to be
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it wasn't big enough but uh go ahead with yours Well we'd have these giant kid birthday parties and the whole
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school come be like 25 people and there was a local guy named desert desert Dave
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and desert Dave would come in and you have cages you have cages with all these muskrats and snakes that's my new Happy
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Madison movie by the way so just say desert Dave you should blame him yeah desert Dave super nice guy had the Hat
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had the patter all the kids are happy so it's like a bow strictor he brings it out big [ __ ] gnarly he's like what
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Dad wants to put this around come on his name his name is it's is Billy he'll be
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fine so I'm like okay so he starts wrapping around my neck and all the kids are chanting do it do it you know and
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then it starts to tighten just for a second and you realize that moment yeah
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it could take you out it's curtains they're win yeah so I had it around my neck and then they have to undo it which
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takes a second okay two spiders two snakes or
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three rats which one you you put your covers up get in bed with three rats two
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snakes or two spiders good I'm so scared of spiders I just think they win uh this
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any contest spider my shoe um I grew up with black widows Brown Ray close
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they're just so terrifying and they and they really [ __ ] you up like a Brown Rik will bite your arm and it just looks
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like a little Dot and you're like I'm fine and then your arm caves in right there and everyone goes what the [ __ ]
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we we got a lot of tarantulas on this place they scare me too why cuz they are
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[ __ ] terrifying but I have let them walk on me against my better Jud yeah I don't like this I don't like they have
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two feelers yeah this kind of like this motion but they move kind of slow you know they sniff with their fingers or
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something rats are like that you and they got two things here they go they don't bite I go they might as well
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because they they can jump six feet too oh my God let me give you a morality
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test okay you find a pincher bug in your room at night do you do you squash it or
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do you get a little tissue paper grab it and release it outside yeah five answer
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is I Let It Go the real answer is you kill it real answer is I kill it in
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front of his friends and then I burn it and I go this is what happens when you enter this room so just get the word out
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it's there's a lot of pincher bugs out there right now pincher bug is the funniest word I haven't heard yeah you
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you haven't heard toot sweet in a while I haven't heard pincher bug well when I was doing the Mulligan cartoon which is
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on Netflix right now my Southern character we're going to take care of the America toot sweet that's what it
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made me laugh because that was one of the phrases my character meaning let's get to it all right next story
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MH oh listen this is a big for me because a remote Amazon tribe gets
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starlink internet and they're hooked on porn immediately immediately if not sooner
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Dana I of course they're like give it an hour the guy goes you're supposed to be
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cooking fish and hunting and you're whacking it to shitty shitty gang bang
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there's a lot they're just getting introduced to first that's hysterical it's essentially they don't have visual
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images they don't have television it's like instead of watching fathers knows best uh deep throat is the first thing
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you see instead of being introduced to like I Love Lucy and building your way to just understanding TV you're jumping
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into your asslicked Park and they don't know what's going on they're like are there real dinosaurs
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out there are they licking each other's asses I mean I mean really instead of Bugs Bunny
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and Disneyland you got shaving Ryan Ryan's privates
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it's a war movie but it's a little different and don't even get me on Schindler's fist because
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in I know I knew you'd know these and they're real instead of Sesame Street
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you get Schindler's fist which in this in this climate right now that's not the one to watch but I
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will say these guys and the dads are so sad I read this article the dads are
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like oh this kid's you know he's jerking is girk and he should be like hunting doing all the things that they're
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supposed to do making Pottery he's rubbing his wiener against a coconut poor yeah they're just
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completely they're not only fascinated they're completely over sexed in a neurotic way they're humping animals and
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trees and bushes they're just porn really works you know by the way porn drives everything like when VHS
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cassettes came in not doing too well got a porn movie on them we go
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boom technology is invented and then some usually dude finds out to make it
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sexual like this was documented the first Telegraph message send send soldiers we're Dodge
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City the second one was what are you wearing describe it in third one was yo
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yo you up that's right oh some rapper sent me
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this that's why Clinton didn't get in trouble because he didn't have cell phones the reason Anthony weer got caught with his wiener because he had a
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iPhone and he thought well I could take pictures of nature take pictures of that oh I know bloop take a picture of my
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wiener those tribe kids are learning about masturbation too I hate to say they come hand in hand but he's got with
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aloe vera juice it's probably a little different but they really are going to try to get because you know too much
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porn leads to that I mean a show of hands who's been there but I I gave up
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porn for a while it's actually been almost what time it's been almost an hour
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porn no I can't I don't not your thing not your thing n i I don't find it's
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kind of like somewhat uh it's like is a prostitute sexy like or I say strippers
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in a a club a strip club they're up there and they're in their g string dancing and men are UGL and giving them
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dollar bills but every single one if you had a bullhorn go attention strippers uh
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we got you can leave now and with no problem you can go home and we'll give you the exact same of money you would
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get if you were stripping all those in favor of leaving now leave ghost town
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they would leave I think so they're not they don't want to do it they're not doing For the Love of the Game okay next
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this reminded me of a story Dana I did uh Home Alone Daniel Stern
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for the ones listening almost killed snorting cocaine in a movie so he did a
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movie and I guess he said they gave him B12 right which is what you get which
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wakes you up anyway because it looks like cocaine mhm and then they go on the later takes the director said I'll give
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you my personal stash of actual Coke so he went [ __ ] bazes he went he stayed
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up for two days now in a related story I did a movie called light sleeper I only
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had one scene and in a Side Story I think you turned it down and that's how I got it really it was with Paul shrer
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who wrote taxi driver and ring B was great and he he wrote it and directed it
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early in SNL and they said audition for it and I
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did and he said uh that was pretty good he he said I'm I tell you what I'm going
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to try to get Dana Carvey to do it and if he doesn't I'll give it to you and I said fine and uh I think I had heard you
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didn't do it because you had to pay for yourself to fly back to New York to do it whoever did it what year this you
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were probably wor it was only a one day part to play a CO oh one day part I got it yeah yeah and also pay you would have
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lost money and I said oh well and they go Dana is too busy and I said oh I'll do it so I did it and then the scary
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part was was it's with William defo it's me and him and I'm I'm selling him Coke
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and I start trying to do I said how do I fake like do I go out a camera and do it he goes no we'll just give you this and
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they put a line of coke talk about culty I was like and I snort that into my brains whatever it is they're like yeah
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okay rolling and I'm like what is it again like I'm snort
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because I had done Coke but I was like I don't want to snort something that's not Coke that was scarier to me right so it was B12
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snort it burns 12 B2 powder form yeah yeah and then I do about 10 takes it's a
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rap you're the best blah blah blah you're unbelievable blah blah you're new fine star of the future whatever and
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then I will to fo take care should I get your number no okay fine that's okay and then and then I leave and they have a
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car out there and I'm already like this like a teapot freaking out I go I think I'm
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just G to walk and the driver's like okay pal and then I walk and then I keep
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walking and I'm so gacked out on B12 because I forgot it it's supposed to up
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you you know I was like half hour later I'm like clang clang clang goes the trolley I I couldn't shut up I couldn't
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stop talk I couldn't go to sleep I stayed up easily the whole night to the next night you sure didn't have some
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vitamin Coke in there because I don't know honestly I don't know a B12 I mean I had similar things like when I was I
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was doing this scene I don't know if it made the movie um as gar and I had chocolate milk MH and um and I took a
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sip of and I go hey this is Nestle's quick man I asked for regular chocolate milk and I I threw a fit I go I go this
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is nest's quick and I asked for regular chocolate milk no I made that up I was trying to find a way to Rel I think they
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may it' be better if they put cocaine in it why was trying to make mine so innocent compared to like Coke Daniel St
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and and I'm just like no this is nest's quick I want I want oval teen I didn't even complain I was like I'll whatever
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I'm told I like some oval te that'd be good God anytime to get in G I like it G
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I heard was an [ __ ] and said is that true you were ni but G I got TMJ by doing golf golf G that even that hurt
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because I do I do it on SNL it would just be for five minutes but like 10 hours a day do this all right yeah I've
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done this for 11 hours I can't feel my lower jaw then I went to the dentist I go my jaw
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hurts what have you been doing I said I've been making this face 10 hours a day I go stop doing well don't do that
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not for what they're paying me [ __ ] yeah I'll be I'll still do it okay one more what's next then we got a couple
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more then we have a guest uh oh you know I just think that the models of the arm
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hair it's been around forever lovely lovely girl talented but
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when they make such a point like this just it's hurting her shoulder to show everyone look at my arm here like this
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is my accidental pose okay you have arm hair and everyone's supposed to go is that cool is it I'm not grossed out I
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don't care what um it kind of you know just just psychologically from where I'm
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from it denotes uh masculinity you know so I
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guess is it sexy to you or it's saying or neutral well it's saying that I'm
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ambiguous viously what doesn't matter what don't worry about what I am and also check
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this [ __ ] out yeah obviously I don't care if anyone wants to do anything they want their body I just think that we human beings evolve to like I know a
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hippie Tippy guy it's like if you have a nostril hair that's like a co-star coming down here he goes you shouldn't
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clip that it's just natural nose hair is just natural um he didn't think you
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should whiten your teeth I said would you rather kiss someone with bright yellow brown black teeth or white teeth
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that stumped him for a bit yeah I don't need taupe teeth but the idea of what is
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natural you know we're going to leave the planet at some point in where's the bush pan down I mean come on what are we
00:26:10
just stopping at the armpits come on yeah are you going to shave pluck manipulate your exterior your eyebrows
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let your eyebrows go yeah those porn guys in Africa they're they're the ones it goes back to them they were whacking
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off to that cover for a while okay um shaving M we'll go to the next one what
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is this oh this is some guy doing celebrity laughs I thought you might like this because it's celebrity Impressions yeah let's see
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what he got you pretty good there
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aha Smith hey that's pretty good yo
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Owen that's hilarious well that's pretty good
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hell yeah all right
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okay now he's cheat now he's cheating very funny very
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good that's funny now he's just making him [Laughter] up hilarious
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H GA you God damn he's cramming him in Jesus
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[ __ ] [ __ ] Lord have mercy wait something's wrong stop this yeah
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comedy okay okay we this could have been five Tik
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toks I'm going to jump out um he had some good ones yeah there's some good ones in there yeah yeah definitely
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celebrities laughing which is a kind of a new way to do Impressions right yeah it's what I call Micro Impressions just
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like a push of a it gets a quick hook in on them then you yeah quick hook you
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know they were pretty good I mean I haven't heard impressions of like the rock there's some new ones right yeah I
00:28:18
mean what just singular sounds are good I do this in my ACT Christopher Walkin sorry old one does season amazing magic
00:28:26
trick wow just nice nice that sounds exactly like
00:28:33
him by the way Christopher Walkin can't open a jar of peanut butter it's all the same sound can't
00:28:40
open the D wife doing a weird thing yeah it's funny weird strange things um I
00:28:48
have Owen Wilson tells a toddler they can't have a snack sorry buddy you can't
00:28:55
have any more candy oh I do a lot of them they're called
00:29:01
micro Impressions I like it okay what's any we got another
00:29:07
one oh I I just thought this is interesting look at this plastic surgery
00:29:12
that's what we're showing folks it's a guy who looks pretty old looks like he runs a comedy club and then he looks
00:29:18
beat up yeah he looks like they got the [ __ ] kicked out him he kind of looks like borat's friend in that movie and
00:29:24
then that's him Dana after he got a few things show the next Is that real can they
00:29:30
prove that I mean he did a good job okay hair
00:29:36
new hair is a huge Improvement but the guy could have grown his out okay new
00:29:41
hair um G's beard are so different though eyes are different yeah it looks
00:29:46
like his son yeah is it nose smaller jaw and neck fixed so it
00:29:53
looks tighter he honestly looks 30 years younger yeah it's hard that guy with the neck on
00:30:00
the lower left it's hard to shrink you take the fat out but to get it that tight it's a massive choking him yeah
00:30:08
because from the his Adams Apple to the back of his head is like a foot then now
00:30:14
now it's like SE six seven inches I mean I don't I need proof on this one he brought in a picture of Robert Smigel
00:30:20
said turn me into this well no actually they reversed it because that's a young guy who wanted to look older oh he had
00:30:27
plastic surger to look older well that's it worked perfectly anyway in a related
00:30:32
story I'm flying to Turkey next week um okay what's next I want to get all that
00:30:38
done uh you don't need any work you're too young what's next oh this is a
00:30:44
Kennison bit I just want to show the audience an old Kennison bit I think it's funny it's not too long hello this
00:30:50
guy he call he calls someone from the audience Kate there K yeah live yeah
00:30:57
hang on a second it gets loud of course it's Kennison
00:31:04
watch me word Kevin watch me word hello hi Kate yeah Kate it's so good to talk
00:31:11
best voice who is this this is Sam kenerson I'm down at the wild theater who yes
00:31:18
who you are the winner of a very special prize and what's that well do you
00:31:24
remember Kevin uh yeah you remember Kevin yeah did you used to go out with him oh a
00:31:31
long time ago well that's what he was telling us and we were looking for a girl who was a [ __ ] C that [ __ ] her
00:31:37
boyfriend's brother [ __ ] [Applause] [ __ ] you
00:31:47
won all right that's all fing
00:31:52
[Applause] Jesus he's doing Kennon
00:31:58
now dude talk about getting the crowd going I can't even proc is that crazy
00:32:05
first she had an affair with the guy's brother right so he calls her from stage
00:32:10
which is always risky will they answer do they want to be on and then like you
00:32:19
won is that too rough oh it was just Kennis and I mean if you know him he did
00:32:25
stuff like that constantly he had a real of his act was being brokenhearted and
00:32:30
feeling just put upon and burned and dumped by women he had a real chip on
00:32:36
his shoulder and he made it hysterically funny with that Rhythm that takes a lot of strength to scream that loud oh my
00:32:42
God he'd say like this he'd have the microphone and he goes ah you tell your girlfriend I'm going to Vegas yeah
00:32:47
that's fine oh really it's okay yeah just the boys yeah it's fine let me tell you something let me just take your dick you're not going to need it and he takes
00:32:54
the mic off he holds it he goes you won't need this that's his thing is
00:33:00
he'll talk really casual like that one about Africa so these people are out out
00:33:06
in starving in Africa and I just think they in the desert they might want to
00:33:11
think that they should go to where the food is you know I can't do it you know
00:33:17
what this is on the bottom this you know you know what you're standing on it's sand it's sand it's gonna be sand and a
00:33:23
little Wicked Witch of the West I thought was all right let's do another one we're
00:33:29
doing pretty good right oh we're we're having a good time we're having a good time oh I only had this question for you
00:33:37
Dana when it says Ben affx teen Deb's red hair we're not making fun of that
00:33:44
we're saying Jennifer Lopez child Emmy seems to have removed their flesh tunnels I'm sorry what what what is that
00:33:52
what do what does that mean is that because they used to say it Playboy
00:33:57
was nudity but Hustler had tunnel shots kind of a rough term but I don't like
00:34:05
the term flesh tunnels I don't know what it means remove I'll go to YouTube comments tunnels what do you think oh I
00:34:12
got an idea earlobes oh that's probably true can you
00:34:18
see it though any when you have like a nickel size hole in your ear maybe is that one have one yeah I guess maybe
00:34:26
maybe in the lower right is there tell us on YouTube cuz is that a hole there
00:34:31
yeah I don't know I you know again I always root for
00:34:37
kids who are didn't ask to be put in this uh bubble of of Madness so to me
00:34:43
and without knowing anything I just say it's kind of hip to own it like if we're going to be out here and have all this
00:34:49
pavarazzi and freaks I'm going to wear like this bright red bozilla clown wig
00:34:54
it sort of feels like a sort of Fu to the Press it's not a wig I don't know I think I
00:35:02
think it's a slip on wig I'm sorry oh look at the kid looks like Timothy sham
00:35:08
shamalamadingdong I don't know I can't we're not piling on JLo and Ben they're going through it right now which they
00:35:14
might be fine who the [ __ ] knows uh anybody who gets in that machine for whatever reason it's it's not fun you
00:35:21
follow by Freaks and Ben over here over here over here I like when they go they look grumpy today I'm like well they're
00:35:28
being followed by a caravan of cars that are cutting off traffic to take photos they're not smiling every second because
00:35:34
they're actually terrified that you're going to crash into them or kill them who's the biggest star who who moved the far furthest away
00:35:44
like where where can you live where there's no Paparazzi because the paparazzi are going to be in LA because
00:35:49
there good fish in there they're going to be maybe near mono you know are they
00:35:55
going to be they will fly from for a picture like if you if you're a big star and you go to the Mal Dives they will
00:36:02
fly there the hotel will leak it they'll come out make sure with lenses that can
00:36:07
take pictures from two miles away I'd say so if you wanted to hide out on planet Earth you wanted to get
00:36:14
rid of all the fame and want move somewhere where you're gonna hide out where would you go oh Halifax you know
00:36:22
Nova SC that's what I was thinking New Zealand out where they New Zealand's very cool there's places I think are
00:36:28
really cool I just don't know I I'm not good at going somewhere I don't know one person it's just too isolated for me
00:36:35
well you make friends so easily you come into the club hey what's going on you tip well you do a couple jokes what's
00:36:41
going on I'm not as social as it seems I'm too I believe you you will tour Australia within the next two years I
00:36:48
would tour Australia maybe London but they always say the first round you don't make a lot because you just see
00:36:54
how you sell who knows you who's s of you and then the next time they got a
00:37:00
they now they have a gauge I don't want to do the first you know sniffing T her and
00:37:07
just Recon to not make money Global though yeah that's like I love the
00:37:13
countries but I just don't know if they don't know me I don't go where I'm not famous no chance no chance I would go to
00:37:20
a small village in Tuscany where there's only old Italian people hanging oh mhm
00:37:27
see we might have had a pretty good show I think we're probably done right what do you think I think so um yeah yeah
00:37:34
let's uh let's wrap it up I think oh we have the guest oh what am I saying you
00:37:41
can introduce Our Guest um I'm excited yes this is um very
00:37:48
much in The Ether for the last few years but anyway Our Guest today is Sarah Edmonson and she wrote A Memoir scared
00:37:57
shed the true story of how I escaped next scarred maybe I think it's scarred
00:38:02
the famous the famous cult oh scarred maybe but she's scared and scarred I
00:38:08
made a I don't know I think it is scared but or scarred yeah it's a double word but
00:38:14
anyway she was in the nexum cult she has a podcast called culty um a little bit
00:38:21
culty podcast and she talks all about the how she got involved with Nexium how
00:38:26
how you get indoctrinated how you get brainwashed and she actually was branded
00:38:32
with the initials of the cult leader and you'll hear all about this coming up
00:38:37
nexton is called we talk about and we're going to ask her about uh The Tick Tock
00:38:43
cult stuff that's in The Ether right now so she's the person to ask about it so uh just stick here we go we'll just clip
00:38:51
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active Dana hi we started we start we actually finished we just wrapped is it
00:41:24
over it was great so good we're just psychoanalyzing each other
00:41:30
little bit oh good the two the crazy people you know Dana Dana put me on a calorie count last week and I was going
00:41:36
to ask you if that's normal or not are you are you allowed to eat
00:41:43
avocados and quinoa that's the main thing because if you can I have to run it by him oh you
00:41:50
can I just for the record never counted my calories in Nexium I was one of the
00:41:55
few that was like that's dumb you guys but I mean I was I was still weight
00:42:01
focused because that was that's the one that jumped out at you yeah I know that was a red flag no no I'm not gonna do
00:42:07
that not that one silly and I didn't play volleyball either just also for the record which I think is what saved me in
00:42:14
the long run I mean saved me from like the worst what what is a day in a Nexium
00:42:19
cult like what is it is it because you do you have Wi-Fi do you have TV is it just like a regular we're just going to
00:42:25
jump in I guess we're going to jump in Dana this uh is Sarah and she we usually do intros beforehand as
00:42:33
well that afterwards got so it won't seem um well I guess so for people uh
00:42:40
just joining us we're live globally David has just asked Sarah what it was
00:42:45
like a day in the life I.E The Beatles in the cult called Nexium and initially
00:42:52
it was just a self-help group right I mean that's what you got into in your mind right correct yeah what we see in The Vow and
00:43:00
most of the media outlets and podcasts about XM is is not what I was experiencing at the time it was a
00:43:06
self-help group it was a community I mean it's a lot of things that the way I talk about it now it sounds so cheesy
00:43:11
obviously and cringey for me but there was a group of people who thought they were working on themselves and their
00:43:17
goals and various project and using the tech and I have that obviously in quotes because it's not a technology it's a
00:43:26
it's basically a see cognitive behavioral therapy neural linguistic programming and some Buddhism and basic
00:43:31
life's truths rolled into a nice little package but a day in a life would be
00:43:36
different depending if you were say me living in Vancouver and U running my own
00:43:42
satellite Center or living in Albany in Keith's Inner Circle Herm which also for
00:43:47
the record I never was in oh you weren't in there because these things are always Upstate somewhere it's always a little
00:43:53
out Out Of Reach the upstate New York has a lot of
00:43:59
culty groups L of question things are happening yeah C Cy County which is east
00:44:05
of Albany County Cy County it's east of Albany but that I don't know if that
00:44:10
means that's that but you what you said a second ago so they refer to the process the mental mindbending stuff as
00:44:18
technology right is that yeah is that kind of like Scientology does that or no I think I'm pretty sure that Keith
00:44:25
directly stole that from Al hubard that and a couple other words like suppressive and um and
00:44:32
other practices in terms of keeping people loyal and telling on each other I
00:44:37
don't know who stole from who but given that Scientology is much bigger and more
00:44:43
successful as a cult I'm guessing that Keith was apparently had dtic in his Library so we can assume that he so you
00:44:50
tell on each other with the phrase someone not really believing or buying into the program is called called a
00:44:55
suppressive yes or somebody if you have a a suppressive thought like if you're
00:45:01
jealous of somebody else anything that's not upholding and uplifting and full of joy for someone else to be a suppressive
00:45:07
thought anything that's negative a lot of Comedy is suppressive technically oh my God yeah I mean in that world I don't
00:45:15
think it's a problem but yeah are people lighthearted isn't it like a regular like group of like fun people or is
00:45:22
everything sort of The Stepford Wives there's no is there a weird vibe again it's depending on you were there was
00:45:27
Mexico City satellites there was New York City I was in Vancouver there was a school in La for a bit Vancouver was a
00:45:33
lot of up incoming struggling actors and artists and musicians and entrepreneurs
00:45:38
just getting going with their life generally we had a fair bit of fun but in Albany in upstate it nippy and I my
00:45:46
husband whenever we showed up we're like did somebody die and actually some people did at some point but it was just
00:45:51
this morose you know very not fun vibe that's why I kind of tended to avoid the area
00:45:58
as much as I could I had to go back for trainings and corporate events and stuff but um yeah D back to earlier question a
00:46:05
day in life for me would have been like if it was a training day if I was working with people I would be showing
00:46:11
up in a little power suit and my sash and greeting people and welcoming them into the center and asking them what
00:46:16
their goals were and introducing them to people and it was be very positive and um you know we wanted to create a space
00:46:23
where people would essentially they were doing therapy for 12 14 hours a day so
00:46:28
it was pretty intense you can imagine it it in
00:46:33
retrospect I lost my 30s to a very painful situation but were you sort of
00:46:38
the boss like did you go to to Albany and then he says you're pretty good why don't you Splinter off or you started
00:46:45
sort of I took a five-day training in Vancouver it was uh there was a school in Seattle at the time and they happened
00:46:51
to just do a oneoff with that I attended and I thought it was great at the at the
00:46:57
time and I had I was running this women's group of actresses who were you know were all starting off and we get
00:47:03
together on Tuesdays and do the artist way and talk about like getting a new agent and updating your demo reel and
00:47:08
things like that and then I got invited to do this program and I came back to my group I was like guys I found the you
00:47:15
know the thing that we've been missing like we we need to do the deeper inner work we haven't been really getting to the root of it and so half of them kind
00:47:21
of came with me and the other half thought I was an Ault and we didn't talk
00:47:26
for about a decade we're all friends now but uh it turns out they were right
00:47:31
about that and that was a hard pill to swallow but the ones that came with me I mean I got to bring some of my best
00:47:38
friends with me on this crazy Journey which obviously sucked for a large part of it but on the other side here we are
00:47:44
and we were okay and kind of love my life like look at me now this is great I get to talk to you guys this is weird
00:47:50
and wild it got out that's fantastic so so in in the early days I it seems like
00:47:55
the first thing they would do I don't know if it's kind of like the military is tell you that you're
00:48:01
broken but in in a way that oh and we know how to fix you I'm just wondering
00:48:07
where the first hook was where you went wow this is awesome you know what was that word pack just that kind of spoke
00:48:14
to you yeah the hook is important and it's something that we try to do on our on our pod is try to understand what
00:48:20
every person's unique Hook is for whatever it is that they're joining whether it's a relationship that turns
00:48:26
out to be Abus of you know no one signs up for that they sign up for something wonderful and there's this promise of
00:48:32
idealism our my initial Hook was actually meeting Mark vente you both have seen The Vow right a long time ago
00:48:40
in during Co I think oh yes yeah because David I remember We messaged about that you I think you just seen it but Mark
00:48:46
vente was a filmmaker who brought me in and I met him at this film festival and I loved his film he had done what the
00:48:52
bleep do we know which at the time was you know revolutionary and MH I know and
00:48:59
yeah and I just remember thinking like that's the kind of film and TV I want to do I want to do media that shifts
00:49:04
Consciousness and you know giv people yeah and at the time I was doing like
00:49:09
beer commercials and vampire teen things on the Canadian version of Nickelodeon like I just wasn't um doing the
00:49:17
meaningful work that I had thought I would do as an actor so to me that was
00:49:22
like you know I'm just going to like I was going to be his assistant like I would have done whatever he proposed and
00:49:28
he said oh I just took this this workshop and the hook for me then was it
00:49:33
was a community of like-minded individuals who were trying to make the world better humanitarians and his
00:49:39
particular angle was through media and come check it out and that was I mean if
00:49:44
it was what it was supposed to be it would have been great right but it was a front and he didn't know that like he
00:49:51
was being used in the same way I was later used to bring people in for this false promise
00:49:57
it's all easyy at the beginning and then it turns into there is sort of a sexual
00:50:02
thing that comes in by the way these guys I just saw the Tik Tok guy he's not bad pit either they're all like sixes
00:50:08
and sevens I don't know why these guys have so much power no you know why I
00:50:14
think I think it's because they they don't they're not they're unassuming right like with ke I never he's so
00:50:20
unattractive I was I never was I never was threatened by him in that way and I think he got into women's uh pants later
00:50:27
but also Minds by by providing this like and Dana and I were talking earlier div
00:50:32
before you got on about attachment issues and codependency he he he slipped into to women's first Sometimes DMS but
00:50:40
also created a safe space as like a father figure for women who maybe didn't have such a great relationship with
00:50:46
their dad and created a you know a relationship before he was going to
00:50:52
Mentor them in other ways which happened later like he did it in steps cuz he can't get women in a normal way he's not
00:50:58
you don't open with threesome right you talk about yeah other stuff yeah you
00:51:03
gotta you got to you know move it up does is that a kind of a sociopathic thing or how planned is it like so he's
00:51:11
talking to a young woman and this is the first tier of what will happen later and
00:51:17
it's making them feel good about themselves that he really cares all those sorts of cliches he must have been
00:51:23
had good game in that way right oh yeah yeah I mean like I establish and I try
00:51:29
to be very clear because people make assumptions I didn't join the herum but when I had his full attention and he was
00:51:34
paying attention to me which was rare and I didn't have a lot of alone time with him it did feel like he was very
00:51:40
there it was like I was special I was being paid attention to but he was also
00:51:47
he just was good at Rapport he was a he was a master at Rapport in fact that was that was a class that we taught people
00:51:52
who didn't have the skill naturally which you probably you kind of have to do to be I think in show business you
00:51:59
have to be able to like connect with and shoot the [ __ ] with people sure some people don't have that skill and they're just awkward and um yeah he had that in
00:52:07
Spates I wouldn't say charismatic I would say rep he was a rapport [ __ ] and
00:52:13
but knew how to do it well it seems like a lot of these cult leaders I don't know a lot of them the one in Oregon was the
00:52:19
Wild Country it's like he drove a yeah he drove he did so these things you're
00:52:24
not expecting he's D he's really into His Cadillac and he eats junk food and all and it's sort of it it's the
00:52:32
antithesis of what you think but it's a manipulate onto its own like look he's really a regular person out he in other
00:52:39
words like the weor guy I don't know if he could sue me but it seemed like creating this corporate cult around him
00:52:45
look he's he's almost autistic in his Brilliance he thinks different like us
00:52:50
and look at he he doesn't even his socks don't match you know all all these tricks that people play
00:52:57
we actually just did an episode about Ray Delio and his hedge fund called Bridgewater which he runs 100% like a
00:53:04
cult like when I heard how how people have to live and operate at Bridgewater he I hope he doesn't sue me this is from a book that I did not write called the
00:53:11
fund and I was like holy [ __ ] he's basically he set up his own little cult and calls it a bridge fund a bridge
00:53:16
calls it a hedge fund and he's just it's just a little game that he's playing every all the textbook minus The
00:53:23
Branding and the sex exactly the same as Nexium how does the money come into Nexium after a while it's we need help
00:53:30
here we're all a group we got hit hit your friends up we have to keep this thing
00:53:36
going yeah Keith was always looking for fresh blood you have to pay to join or is it
00:53:42
where does the money most of the money came from people who had a lot of money like when I joined I was living in a
00:53:49
almost said van down by the river sorry it's okay sorry
00:53:56
um and a Bas which is getting expensive to get aand weather over these yeah actually especially those like hipster
00:54:02
ones it's all renovated on the inside it's totally different thing than in the 90s but um no my rent was like $400 a
00:54:08
month so to spend $2,000 on a five-day training it's a big leap for me and I
00:54:14
think that's also something that happens sidebar and I'll come back to your question is when people invest that kind
00:54:19
of money if they don't have it um it they really want to make their decision a good decision and get the most out of
00:54:26
their money and the sun cost fallacy prevents them from seeing things that maybe would be more of a red flag
00:54:33
because they they don't want to be stick to it yeah they don't look yeah they don't look like they made a mistake
00:54:38
people hang in things too long I've bought things and then I don't take them back right away because I feel so stupid
00:54:43
I don't like it right away and I go I'll give it six months and then say I just bought it uh did you think this Tik Tock
00:54:51
uh thing I just have been hearing about this week is any any words of advice you
00:54:57
see any problems there or what do you oh yeah we've actually been following that for a while because we've been in touch
00:55:02
with some family members and before this is a documentary um we're going to do an episode on it next week but I I see all
00:55:09
the same uh same um patterns what's the word p yeah same patterns thank you same
00:55:15
template especially with the the women who are saying oh no I'm fine and I chose this and I'm I'm just committing
00:55:21
to God like it's you know anytime you're in a group where an organization is encouraging you not to speak to your
00:55:27
family because you know they're not on God's path or they're they're not in alignment with the values of the blah
00:55:33
blah blah like shunning excommunication is a huge red flag for me um God wants
00:55:40
you to cut everyone off is a tough cell but it see tough so it's very that one
00:55:45
seems like tough because it's very similar already what I've seen it's like and and everything's fine and the guy I
00:55:52
think it's very smart the main guy has a like a management company so it's a great way to get people young minds that
00:56:00
are looking for you know you want to be in Shin you want to dance you want to have fun and they're all doing it
00:56:06
together and then he also uh coincidentally has a church so once you're in there then you start and then
00:56:12
he tells you you're lukewarm have you heard that one D that's that's one of the manipulative
00:56:17
words luk is the best L somebody doesn't want to get in heaven that's cool and he's like wait wait what's going on I'm
00:56:24
not in heaven no yeah not the way that's such a good point especially with like we always ask people so what the hook
00:56:30
was that you asked earlier but what's the promise like what do you think that you're buying into that's so great and
00:56:35
especially with the religious cults it's like you know being saved getting into heaven if you believe that yeah I mean I
00:56:41
wasn't raised that way so it's it's hard for me to relate but I kind of do the math my equivalent was like I'm doing
00:56:48
this to be successful like these are the tools that I need to reach my full potential and be successful and be the
00:56:53
best most peaceful joyful integrated non-reactive you know Buddha
00:57:00
version of myself which I'm not currently so if I don't do this path I'm not going to have all those things
00:57:06
that's my version of Heaven like I that's how I try to relate to it and if people really believe that and they have that connection with God and then
00:57:12
there's some guy saying yeah I spoke to God like we have a direct line to God which almost all these religious cults
00:57:19
claim that especially like flds and all the Mormon job's witness they they say that like I spoke to God and he said i'
00:57:26
need to marry you even though you're 12 but God said that I should so he just missed him he just took off yeah he was
00:57:32
just 59 and you're 13 and exactly what what are you GNA do talk back to God you
00:57:38
can't disrespect God your call hey your call by the way I don't know how this relates Sarah but uh my wife's Irish
00:57:46
nephew he's very Irish and uh he's like 35 years of age and he's wandering around La visiting right so he goes to
00:57:53
the Scientology Center and he goes the whole thing and they're
00:57:58
about well he's just a curious Irish I guess I go in here what's it called and then he said well I've been
00:58:05
here for an hour and I still don't know what you believe in and that's the definition of a cult and then he just
00:58:12
stormed out I think they escorted him off the property but they were going to do the eer E eer yeah such fantasies
00:58:21
about busting up Scientology but I think they probably they'll take you out toot
00:58:28
sweet toot sweet I love that phrase where do that come from where's it gone
00:58:34
is it Latin to French French sweet right away you know I think you guys Nix just
00:58:40
needed some bigger names you know you need someone from a sitcom you need they have Tom Cruz so they're killing it uh
00:58:47
over there but I know if you've got if you could get Taylor Swift in it's over
00:58:53
cuz she has she's already got her own well another question this this Puff
00:58:59
Daddy thing who my mom says does he work for sha you know Sean John I mean she
00:59:05
doesn't understand but uh so is that a form of this or from what you've heard
00:59:11
which is mostly bits and pieces and nothing's proved yet but do that feel like something weird going on over there
00:59:18
oh yeah I mean I haven't done a deep dive on that but just from what I've seen like peripherally and superficially
00:59:24
and from my experience being seven years out of this cult is the the relationship
00:59:30
between a abuser and a victim of of domestic violence and a cult leader and
00:59:36
their s their followers is the exact same Dynamic it's the same way of
00:59:41
getting someone in the same love bombing the same isolation the same creating an US versus them like us against the world
00:59:48
it's it's all same with sex trafficking it's the it's the exact same way of getting underlying fear you can't say
00:59:55
anything or get out right especially like I believe he had ndas these women had ndas with him like
01:00:00
that's such a red flag and same with R Kelly and Epstein like it's all the same
01:00:06
[ __ ] over and over and over again right God your your podcast is never going to run out of topics honestly every day we
01:00:14
have we do one a week we have probably like 200 in the pipeline just waiting
01:00:20
like other ones we can oh it's insane because well we're a bit broader too than just straight up traditional cult
01:00:27
were a little bit culty so things are a little culty like you know being yeah being and I were talking like a an acting teacher it'd be part of like a
01:00:35
troop or a show that you know oh yeah they acting teachers especially vulnerable actors and actresses I I had
01:00:42
this U acting teacher named Jeff Corey and yeah he was like a cult figure in a
01:00:47
sense like he would get his whole thing was to break people like he would start
01:00:52
berating this woman who reads a monologue until she's just sobbing you know and I at the time I thought this is
01:00:59
just weird this isn't this isn't helpful at all and then she made a couple doing
01:01:04
a scene you're not doing the work and so he had to take his belt off get on all
01:01:09
four she put the belt around his neck and got on top of her and he says ride him ride him I'm like I go I just want
01:01:18
to be I'm auditioning for a young Sheldon tomorrow do I I'm playing sir
01:01:23
laughs a lot on Saturday I don't know if I need a phic but so there's so many
01:01:29
culty acting teachers it's just basically abuse of power right like when you do go into a class you're saying hey you're going to teach me something and I
01:01:35
expect you to teach me and and you trust them to do that but there's trust yeah you and if we didn't if we didn't have
01:01:41
that we' never learn to be like no tennis coaches or whatever but you have to have that but if they have bad intent
01:01:46
or they're a malignant or sociopathic narcissist like Keith then you're in trouble because anything goes well the
01:01:53
one thing unique about maybe it's not unique about him was the people I guess they call Dos who the women who got into
01:02:00
the situation where they'd be strapped down and branded um is that a common cult move or was
01:02:07
that unique to um it's that's just power move just
01:02:13
well it just seems like the most radical thing you really have to take you couldn't do it on day one that's a long
01:02:20
process to get them we're going to strap you to the table if you get past that is that sort of like you're in
01:02:26
that's where you think either this is too far or you think okay I gotta question some things now this is getting
01:02:33
to I was 12 years in I was fully aware that people thought we were in a cult and when I saw that I was about to get a
01:02:39
brand I was like guys people are this is really this is really not helping Cas yeah I even said that like people think
01:02:45
we're a cult already you think this is a good idea uh I even you know made jokes the day of the Browning I was trying to
01:02:51
like you know make it better for me and for the rest of the rest of the women but um
01:02:56
I think if that hadn't happened I would probably still be coaching a goals program in Upstate New York and
01:03:02
Vancouver right now because everything else up until then I mean there were problems lots of problems with the
01:03:07
company but nothing illegal and nothing violent and I mean other than the sex
01:03:12
behind closed doors but if I wasn't experiencing that I wouldn't have known about it and in many ways I'm I want to
01:03:19
say grateful that it happened but I'm glad I woke up because you know that's not happening anymore but I will say I
01:03:25
think Keith did that because people were leaving over time he his his inner
01:03:31
circle wasn't solid and I feel like he needed to lock down loyalty and he thought he was so out of
01:03:38
touch with reality similar to how I think in my opinion I don't want to get sued Tom Cruz might be not in reality no
01:03:43
one's around him going hey Tom that's probably not a good idea like no one's going to tell Tom or Keith no or David
01:03:50
mavage no right and if it's it's within their world like Tom Cruz who we've met
01:03:56
great guy but when you're in that world everyone's okay with it where they are so it's like why should we have a
01:04:01
problem with it's sort of you know like even Nexium it's like we're adults we're having sex even if it's Group whatever
01:04:09
who are we to say so that's the argument like are we break any laws it gets very it's a very gray area correct and it is
01:04:16
the the the women that you were joking around with about The Branding it just seems like like Keith's getting that
01:04:23
idea and he had to share it with other people before The Branding process he pitched it in a sense right because he
01:04:30
had other people tying you down and then the other people with the brand because it seems like to go back to it seems so
01:04:37
outrageous that it maybe people were hypnotized into thinking it was magic but how they do that they brand well
01:04:45
that's that was one of the ways they got it got them to do it and it is true that if you'd introduce it on day one my five
01:04:50
day so in 12 years from now you're going to have the leader's initials seared into your flesh without anesthetic um
01:04:56
you didn't know his initials crazy if that was on page two of the first pamplet in the meeting oh they don't
01:05:02
reveal that which is by the way a template called Behavior it's always a bait and switch hey we're selling blah
01:05:08
blah blah but it's actually you know with Osho Enlightenment but also getting do you know that Osho um sterilized his
01:05:14
women so they couldn't have babies sidebar sorry you asked me David I did not know that yeah that's actually what
01:05:21
woke me up not The Branding itself but figuring out it was Keith's initial was it sideways or something yeah you
01:05:29
had to look in the mirror and tilt your head to the side to see the KR that was in the documentary yeah yeah so until I
01:05:37
think i' lost it's like somewhere between three and six weeks after getting branded um things were starting
01:05:43
to go sideways and I showed one person my husband still hadn't even seen it yet because we were he was New York I was Vancouver we were traveling and she saw
01:05:51
the KR and I lost my [ __ ] and and it it like everything that anyone ever said
01:05:58
about us that we were in a cult or he was I'd heard like there was media that he was a pedophile which I thought was
01:06:03
of course a smear campaign because how could the most noble man in the world be a pedophile everything that had ever
01:06:09
been told about him all of a sudden that moment was true I was like holy [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm in a cult and I'm branded with
01:06:16
his initials on my body like it was the most horrific Awakening ever I could
01:06:22
imagine but I but but it was fast but it was fast it wasn't like but maybe he you know should I go back and like it was I
01:06:29
was like and how the [ __ ] do I get out yeah light bulb Dana you know that I i d i branded Dana with my um Netflix
01:06:36
special the title of it he didn't even know till it was sideways lik I can't remember the name
01:06:44
of it actually I would say it right now it's so um it's God the the narcissism
01:06:51
what do you what what kind of mind yeah you know first just going to tell everybody that it's just rum numerals or
01:06:59
something you're not told it's his initials it's some sold that it's a good thing and we'll all Bond or whatever
01:07:06
what kind of sociopath what kind of mind like how does he how do you think he rationalize that did you ask him did you
01:07:13
say hey this is this KR a coincidence or what's going on I never spoke to him about it unfortunately as soon as we
01:07:19
would decided we were out we would did this whole double agent thing where we pretending to be in but then like trying
01:07:25
to let people know which eventually got busted after a couple weeks because somebody called me and recorded trying
01:07:31
to do a jailbreak yeah I did I was like don't go to they were like I'm supposed to go to Albany and I heard that I'm like don't
01:07:37
go to Albany and that they were recording me and that got sent to no you got I got I got and it was it was you
01:07:46
can't write this [ __ ] like I I'm like I'm 40 was 40 the time going to the FBI
01:07:51
and trying to explain to them that I did this and also willingly like it's on I'm
01:07:57
on camera saying Master would you brand me it'd be in honor which you know like
01:08:02
[ __ ] then that's what Keith did so no no it's I can laugh it's fine I'm seven years old is crazy it is crazy but
01:08:09
that's how brilliant slash dumb he is because he set it up to make it look consensual but he filmed he recorded
01:08:17
himself talking to Alison Mack explaining how she should do it to answer your earlier question he got
01:08:23
Alison Mack on board who explained it to all the women so it looked like it was coming from a woman so smart but also
01:08:29
dumb because he recorded it and Alison ma saved that and then India found the thumb drive and gave it to the FBI and
01:08:35
they played it in court and up until then he's like yeah the women did this for me I mean who like if they want to Brand themselves with my initials like
01:08:42
that's up to them no he created it his idea he planted the seed he said he even
01:08:47
said put their hands up like this so it look sacrificial and you know like it was all his idea so he's where's ma is
01:08:56
she you she's she's out she did two years oh okay and uh she's out of jail
01:09:02
and I have not spoken to her I would love to when I'm allowed to there's a lot of people I can't speak to yet
01:09:07
because they're still Facebook friends nothing I wish I mean I'm dying to I want to I just want to hug her and hope
01:09:14
that she's doing okay she has a new a western out I think where she plays part of a cowgir who Brands cows no that's
01:09:23
called Yellowstone this is not the place oh no I'm sorry I by the way you you've
01:09:28
seen Yellowstone right yeah oh yeah that was the first show I watched where I was like need to watch that's not cult
01:09:34
related and I just need like a little break from the and then they're branding each other with like literally searing each other with the
01:09:41
Yellowstone I was like God you guys come on be seem to think it's cool yeah okay
01:09:47
I have some just general questions sure some wrap up if people are listening now think they may be codependent or like I
01:09:55
I you answer this if you're in a bad relationship with someone say you have an abusive boyfriend and he's breaking
01:10:01
you down and complimenting you is that that's a it's not literally a cult but it's cult is um it's
01:10:08
codependency it feels like to me what what saved you was that you got in touch
01:10:14
with anger because because when you're always like trying to please your master and you get in this codependent way
01:10:19
don't make him mad he means well or she means well so was that I think that's a great emotion to try to cultivate no pun
01:10:27
intended if you want to get away from a destructive relationship get mad because it sound like you you got really mad
01:10:33
once you saw the KR yes that was anger I did yeah I I did get really mad and I
01:10:39
also in Nexium and most Cults you're not allowed to be reactive it means that that you have an issue which up until
01:10:44
that point like was the inner gaslighting or outward gaslighting of oh you seem really angry about that why
01:10:49
don't you talk to your coach and maybe journal on it and see what you come up with God that kind of thing so it was
01:10:55
this always flip back to you and for the first time I was like no it's okay that I'm angry because you lied to me yeah
01:11:03
right and that's I think what most people don't understand is that you can't consent to something if the
01:11:08
initial agreement is false which is what happens in a domestic violence relationship as well you're pres the
01:11:15
abusive person is presenting a false Persona to hook the the victim yeah
01:11:20
that's a lie U my last one is you go ahead no I I
01:11:25
just I have unlimited time you can ask me whatever no we have to do our own stupid podcast back in
01:11:31
19 um how is your your marriage is good was your husband part of next I met him
01:11:38
there okay yeah all right really jealous that he's not here and oh well he could
01:11:45
have come he say say hello but so when you got out did he get out at the same
01:11:50
time yes we were we got out at the same time and if you if you recall probably my favorite part of The Vow is he went
01:11:57
in around the time that we were doing our double agent thing and have confronted the leadership which nobody
01:12:02
ever did and recorded himself being like what the [ __ ] you you branded my [ __ ]
01:12:08
wife which was so uh rewarding for me because we never got to say like we were
01:12:13
so obedient I didn't realize how obedient we were until we got out we would never say no I disagree with that
01:12:19
nothing because you'd get in trouble so for him get going in there and telling them off was just oh I just wish he'd
01:12:25
flipped over the egg buffet table or something because that would have just you know and he didn't because he didn't
01:12:30
want his friends to have to clean up the mess which was very kind of him because so a lot of the people there were innocent bystanders but yeah we're fine
01:12:36
we do a lot of therapy our podcast together is very uh rewarding um working on a second book of
01:12:44
everything we've learned since the podcast which is so much we want to be able to give it to other survivors so
01:12:50
you don't have to listen to 200 episodes sure all right so very very quickly what are the top three or five signs you may
01:12:56
be in codependency or if you were Jeff Fox you may be in a
01:13:01
cult Jeff if Jeff Fox Worthy's in a cult with Ron White if
01:13:07
you yeah I would say um if someone listening right now yeah like if you
01:13:14
feel you know first of all I feel like isolated whoever is with you has like isolated you from your friends and family or encouraged you not to have
01:13:20
relationships with people that you love you can't feel like you can't talk to them or have honest conversations with
01:13:25
them about what's going on um if you feel that the leader or the person is
01:13:33
the ultimate Authority and you have to defer to them or run things by them and you can't you can't question them
01:13:40
without feeling gaslit or I mean one of the main things I I I've learned from
01:13:45
since I've been out is if you feel like something's not right and you're questioning like is this right and wait
01:13:50
did he just say that and then you you start catching yourself going oh well maybe he just had a bad child or you
01:13:56
know you making excuses for the person or the thing that's a that's a real red flag you really need to look at if you
01:14:02
don't feel good with somebody and you don't even have to call it a cult like for take that word out of the equation
01:14:08
because it gets so overused is this a good Dynamic like is this a healthy Dynamic do I want to be here do I feel
01:14:15
like safe and and heard and all the good things and it you may not and it may be normalized to feel that way especially
01:14:22
if you've maybe had a bad childhood and that's kind of normal to to feel less than or always trying to like get the
01:14:29
approval of little breadcrumbs from the person who's holding the
01:14:34
power those are some examples fascinating so David I you do none of
01:14:39
that to me I mean I'll just go on record don't bread Crum me Dana comedians are
01:14:45
too aggressive and damaged in different ways I think to be gaslit I'm sure we
01:14:50
get in a way but do you think that there any is there any famous comedians that have been in Cults that we know
01:14:58
of famous comedians was Martin Short not
01:15:03
ComEd stand up uh Martin Shore I think just you
01:15:09
start to get not Martin Short we are joking if you get in a situation where
01:15:15
someone's the boss or someone is you know it just like anything you just get
01:15:21
sort of swept up in something where everyone's doing it it can happen it cult is like using a hammer Sledgehammer
01:15:28
to say what it is it's more like a lighter there's just these warning signs so I think we get we all are are and if
01:15:36
you have if you're in Show Business You're vulnerable and you have people who work with you yeah and I'll just say
01:15:42
it's a it's a peculiar Dynamic it's an interesting you know peuli dynamic that
01:15:47
you um hard to describe it but show business has some some colorful
01:15:53
characters oh yeah Hollywood itself what about what about sat Night Live was it ever not culty but like was it do you
01:16:00
ever feel like you couldn't speak up or like um we're going to meditate after read through um your Mantra will be
01:16:07
Lauren um it'll be group then we'll face the Sun and and and ask for forgiveness
01:16:13
of our sins um I please come on my podcast and tell me
01:16:20
everything no I think that Lauren I mean he's dealing with a lot of comedians
01:16:25
yeah so and that we're supposed to poke holes and all the authority and everything and
01:16:31
deconstruct Society so that would temper it a bit if but anyone who's a powerful boss not Lauren corporate boss anybody
01:16:39
can can kind to try create a cult of personality around them like Bill Gates
01:16:44
did with Microsoft that bill has to go away for two weeks and he reads a 100 books his brain doesn't work like you
01:16:51
and all that stuff it's not necessarily gone to tattoos and branding but there's
01:16:57
cess everywhere that's why you'll never your your podcast will last for as long as you want to do it till I die getor it
01:17:05
Sarah thanks jumping on yeah you look great you're having a I'm glad that you got out and uh too and you're probably
01:17:13
uh you've ruled out Cults forever probably we can safely say I think so I think so every now and then I I I still
01:17:19
do yoga but there's a lot of super super culty Yoga practices and I just
01:17:26
just stay like no Dogma just like hot sweaty Power Yoga no just do the hour and get
01:17:32
out I'm I doing the research on Nexium I don't know I started to get a little
01:17:37
hypnotized into the good side of it and so I'm pretty much glad you got out of it but not totally I'm sorry well the
01:17:46
good stuff part of my healing has been like what was good and then figuring out who invented it or who created it
01:17:52
because it wasn't Keith I just thought for many years that it was Keith Keith so you know I could still do some of the
01:17:58
things yeah I I hate power mad people trying to control manipulate people
01:18:03
narcissistic social paath I'm going on record don't like them don't like them either and there's a lot of them there
01:18:09
really are and you just got to watch it because they look like normal people and they know how to act yeah narcissists
01:18:16
are can be very very clever and narcissists seek out empathetic people or non-narcissistic people and then
01:18:21
there's that codependent dance that happens where one side is beholden to the other and so yeah it's
01:18:29
everywhere scary I have an episode to send you Dana um from Dr Ramy who's a
01:18:35
narcissist expert we did a couple episodes with her and she's such a badass and explains exactly what you
01:18:40
just said is in relation to Cults specifically and domestic violence yeah I my childhood probably David's
01:18:47
childhood was full of some of this stuff going all well it's it's nothing you
01:18:52
know it'san ke um [Laughter]
01:18:58
Keith which by the way nipp always says the KR was Keith Richards that's his joke that that's a good one to sell to
01:19:04
people I'm sure not everyone was Rolling Stones like a coat you
01:19:12
know the happiest person in the world that was very happy I'm taking nippy to The Rolling Stones for his 50th birthday
01:19:18
um so we joke that the scar is KR but I did have I mean Keith Richards but I did have it removed just for the record I
01:19:24
had it taken off I had plastic surgery a couple years ago cuz it was like you know I just didn't want it there you know sure I needed it for a little bit
01:19:32
just to be like hey guys you know hey FBI this happened and then I was like I'm done with it it's not fun moving on
01:19:39
no all right thank you Sarah send me that episode you can get
01:19:45
my email from what I will for sure I'd like to awesome thank you guys thank you for the great questions I I feel really
01:19:52
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01:19:59
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