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sir Peter Lee hello welcome to my
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podcast nice to be here been a long time
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since we've caught up it's good to see
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you looking so well and life must be
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going good for you thank you yeah the
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podcast is going um very well I launched
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it about 15 16 months ago and it's sort
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of gone from strength to strength I've
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been I've been badgering you to come on
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and I apologize for that but I wore you
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down didn't I well no you never wore me
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down but you I seen a a a a a message or
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something where a whole lot of people
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said you said who should I get on yeah
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and there was David T mentioned and
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several people mentioned but I got more
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I got more
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likes Mad Butcher than anyone else well
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no I better stop doing if they want to
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hear me I better get on it 100% you're
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you're You're such and I I wanted to get
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you on even before that post went up
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just because um you're such an awesome
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New Zealander and I feel like you don't
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necessarily get enough pra for all the
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stuff that you do you're so alteristic
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no I do mate I'm very humbled by the
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amount of people that comment to me and
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thank me for what I've done and that it
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can be very embarrassing at times and uh
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no and and you don't do it for
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acknowledgement you do it because in my
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case I just love sharing the love that's
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what I do and uh I done it the other day
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I met an American couple at the fery
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building at Half Moon Bay and they were
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coming to Y hickey not in the car just
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coming over and uh got talking and they
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said I said where you from in amer com
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for you I said oh you must be Mormons oh
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yes we're Mormons you know and uh we got
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really good and they were lovely couple
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and you know the nice thing about them
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and I said this to them the other day I
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said the good thing is you didn't try to
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convert
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me no but I mean that sincerely you know
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I mean that sincerely oh yeah they
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didn't try and RAM it down your throat
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yeah exactly uh J imagine imagine the
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surprise that they would have got when
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they left you and they they Googled you
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and they're like oh this guy's proper
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failers no she was she Googled before
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that happened because everywhere we went
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people were talking to me on the FY
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everyone hello but she Googled me and uh
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yeah she was but they're a lovely couple
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and that's what you do in life you try
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to share the love where you can yeah and
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you don't you don't do it to Big node or
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that sort of thing I showed two guys
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around uh if you look at my Facebook
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page it's a sir Mad Butcher no sir Peter
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Charles leech you'll see I showed two
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guys around my uh man cave today and
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they loved it mate what's in your manave
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is it just League memorabilia it's a
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little bit of the Liverpool soccer team
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bit of all black stuff you know but
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mainly rugby league and they were they
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were big rugby league fans massive rugby
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league fans yeah um the first thing I
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wanted to know is um uh who is s leech
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and who is the Mad Butcher and how are
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they
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different they're one or the other
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they're both the same what you see is
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what you get yeah you know but does it s
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of start as like a
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character or like a caricature of
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yourself in a way like an exaggerated
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version started there was a guy b a
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staff on radio Pacific and he used to
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have a sports show and he used to drink
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a bottle of vodka a night and one night
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he bagged my club mangry East that I was
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a sponsor of and I rang him up and ning
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him gambling with him like having bets
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on the games and one day I I thought
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well if I stop gaming I could you know
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advertise and the guy walked in he used
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to always do business in the worry trust
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hotel and the private but and the guy
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walk passing the there if and Mad
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Butcher and I said that will do us Tim
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said oh you can't use you know the f
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word but we started off Rosella meets
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the home of the Mad Butcher then another
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famous broadcasting man called Gordon
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Dryden told me you need one name so then
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I just went with Mad Butcher and that
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was people used to want to come out to
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the butcher shop and see the city is on
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the radio you know so okay so so yes so
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The Moldy fell that um coined the phice
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the Mad Butcher what what did you why
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did people think you were mad you just
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full full of full of energy or I don't
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know M I've never asked him and to be
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fren to be he's never come back to me
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for royalties
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either no but but like were you were you
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mad or was was it just like the the way
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you interacted with customers oh just
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what was M about you just what the way
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the way I was a bit of an idiot you know
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cuz Monty beam one of the one of the
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most famous um gez we're jumping all
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over the place here we we I was hoping
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to go in some sort of sequence but we
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might bounce around a bit but um your
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Monty beam he tells a story about going
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into your store when he was like 4 years
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old or something um and you you were you
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were kind of mad he like who is this guy
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yeah so and he wanted to punch me
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because he thought when he was four he
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had taken out he in he said he said uh
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he's told the story many times uh he
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thought I was being disrespectful to his
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mother well what did you do I I used
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always have the customers on you know
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that's why they come and I made them
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feel happy welcome you know what I mean
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and um he's a beautiful person Monty
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beautiful person blessed to met him to
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be here yeah absolutely yeah isn't it
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funny though that he was a customer and
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he remembers you would you wouldn't
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remember him from when he was four I
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wouldn't imagine but he remembers you
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and then um and then with your
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association with the team and and his um
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association with the team it's real full
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circle the other thing Dom you must
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remember I'm a big boxing fan me and my
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wife love boxing and his dad was a great
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boxer uh Monty Monty Bean senior and a
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great man used to come in the shop and
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we used to talk a bit of boxing and that
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sort of thing one of the uh Prides I
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have I have a photo from M Muhammad Ali
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signed to me personally when he was
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there here from uh to do a speech many
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years ago wow yeah oh that's amazing
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I've got a signed Muhammad Ali boxing
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glove just out there but it's um not
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signed to me personally no I thought it
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was pretty special but then I saw a
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photo of him in a room with like a
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thousand of these same gloves signing
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them all so
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um there there's um something that
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you've sort of um I don't know go I
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guess going viral is the term like
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recently your Facebook post I they bring
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me so much joy whenever there's a new
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post from the Mad Butcher and it's you
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sharing what you're eating I [ __ ]
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love it man it is so good what where did
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that start I just started doing it you
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know I got uh
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39,000 on Facebook now like I'm 79 so
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that's quite a good number that
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Facebook's uh sir Peter Charles leech if
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you want to follow me did did did it
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just sort of explode when you started
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doing the food I don't know mate yeah I
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truly don't know it just you know it
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just happened and uh everywhere I go
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people what happened for breakfast
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toight
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and I never post if I don't like it if
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you don't like the food me me and Lance
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went to a place the other day for
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breakfast uh Lance is my good mate on
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Mikey Island we went to K par Cafe and
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uh we had a great breakfast but in
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particularly the sausages were
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outstanding like Lance didn't have the
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big breakfast head the bacon an XG and I
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was going to give him one of the
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sausages but in the end I only gave him
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a little quarter of the sausage you know
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yeah but if I don't like it I don't post
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so I only believe in positivity not
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negativity I don't believe in negative
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there's too much negativity in the world
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we got to believe in positivity like me
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I'm 79 I'm grateful to be alive every
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day is a bonus you know yeah yeah you
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got such a good attitude I love that and
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I I couldn't agree more um the the the
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food post I I love it and when when you
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read the caption you can't help but you
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know hear your voice in your head like
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light light snack this morning yeah
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Janice Jenice gave me eight webs with
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the tint Peaches on
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top I had a like breakfast today
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actually I love that you you s like
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breakfast and most people are like
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that's a substantial meal you love your
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food eh you eat a lot well yeah and I
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also I don't know if I can say this I
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also [ __ ] a
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lot I
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have I have a problem I'm going to the
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doctor do you what what's the is it a
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like a prostate issue no no no no with
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they [ __ ] in I [ __ ] all the time well
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you eat all the time yeah yeah um so
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what does an average day look like now
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you're still obsessed with idale Farm
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you still love Imad Farm not as much now
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I I did for many years and funny enough
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a lovely a guy went to England and saw a
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mug idal farm and he brought it back to
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me and gave it to me which was a lovely
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gesture you know I didn't have the heart
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to tell him I wasn't watching idal all
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the time cuz you used to be obsessed
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like you'd go away on holiday for a
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couple of weeks and you'd record all of
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them on V for three months one time come
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back and miss it but I went to the set
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several times you know um lovely people
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and uh it was a good program funny
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enough I watched this episode yesterday
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yeah yeah just for a change so what what
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does an average day look like now oh
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could be anything just doing nothing
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could be catching up with Lance or yeah
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by the way Lance who you've referenced a
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few times he's um sitting in the room at
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the moment you bought him over good
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Lance my body G that's a
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joke my body G um no look it could be
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anything mate uh in the better weather
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we could go for a kite me and a couple
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of other mates on the island
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um do nothing might go to the movies
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there's no pattern there's no rhythm
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it's just let's see what happens and see
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what sort of mood Janice is in because
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you have to be aware of you know looking
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after her as well yeah yeah um yeah you
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mentioned kaying before you do you you
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and grahe Henry S grah Henry still go
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kak cuz Graham is very active still very
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active like uh just the other day him
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and his wife were in Queenstown and he's
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still doing quite a bit of speaking and
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that whereas I've retired from that sort
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of thing how old is he is he similar age
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to you a bit youer know don't know
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lovely lovely people yeah yeah him and
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his lovely wife R beautiful lady yeah
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all right yeah um okay let's go back to
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the early years so um you're born in
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Wellington yeah big family right one of
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seven religious family Catholics no no
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Protestant
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yeah youngest I was the youngest of
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seven they're all dead now to be fair um
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yeah it's a bit sad really the whole
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family are dead I'm the last of the
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mohigans one would say and I brought up
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in a good workingclass family in New
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Town by the zoo up by the zoo and uh
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went to New Town School South Wellington
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intermediate Wellington Tech you know
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just and left Wellington with a mate
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called
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Colin can't remember other name now yeah
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never went back everyone said I'd be
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back within a month and he wouldn't go
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back and it was vice versa yeah and and
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you were you were I mean everything's
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got a label these days um but you were
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dyslexia so I'm guessing when you were
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going through school like in the in the
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1940s 1950s that they just thought you
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were dumb or th yeah no question yeah
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and I am dumb I don't know me of better
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times tables no no no no no but no I
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think but I think there's difference I'd
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agree with you like like in terms of
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school stuff like I used to get terrible
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anxiety with exams so I was [ __ ] Dum
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and by school standards but I think
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there I didn't know ex sense I I didn't
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know what to go on um I think there's
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difference between having having smarts
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and Common Sense which you've got in in
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Spades and I I was just lucky that I I
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had verbal diarrhea I talked to
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everybody and now you just got diarrhea
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it seems yeah exactly that's fair
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comment um but you know I I I and I I
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listen to people you know I do talk a
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lot but I also listen M and uh I've been
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very blessed during my journey in life
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that we we've come through but not
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without some pain there been pain
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there's no gain without pain simple as
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that pain in terms of like what just the
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stress of running your own business or I
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first started the business I was working
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three jobs you know I was cleaning
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boning meat and then running the little
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butcher shop during the day you know so
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you know never saw the kids oh I did I
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went home and I kiss just some good
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night they'd be in bed you know and you
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know that's always played on my mind but
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they reckon it it never affected them
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but it's certainly you know
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yeah oh really so you look you look back
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on that with I mean they're they're all
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middle-aged now right you your kids yeah
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one 50 something or something they're
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all thriving all doing very well for
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themselves you used to got regrets about
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that do you like being sort of ABS when
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they were younger yeah look I I missed
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out on some stuff like you know taking
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them to school my granddaughter who's 2
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I think it is she lives in Amsterdam
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Kristen I used to take her to school and
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that I us to right thrill out of it and
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I always remember one day I'm in a
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important meeting the guy flown up from
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Wellington to see me and she rings and
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the reception is new always put it
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through to
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me oh Pop I want to go to Mary's place
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but it's a bit cold can you come home
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and take me yes daring I'll be home in
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half an hour I said the BL look I'm
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sorry mate something's personally come
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up in the family and I have to leave now
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but I'll tell you what I'll do I will
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fly for you to come back up from
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Wellington at my expense and I'll take
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you out to any restaurant you want to go
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to when he did come he picked sales
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restaurant he' heard about it you know
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and um I left and when he went there on
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reception he started to winge to the
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receptionist which I can understand and
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she just said to
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him if he was to hear what you were
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saying oh she said do we spend much
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money with your company he said well
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you're one of our big his clients M she
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said well if he was to hear that you
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would never do another thing with this
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company yeah and he went white he oh oh
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she said I'm not going to tell him but
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let me tell you so when we went out for
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lunch I mention that to him and he need
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PE his pants and I said I could
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understand but I said you got and I told
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him the story about how you know
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granddaughter was special to me they
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accept the that and then yeah yeah I
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think I think that's a a lot of people
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probably say the same thing I think
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that's the right of pack passage right
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you have your own kids and you're busy
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setting up your own um you know
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businesses or your own life or providing
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for your kids the best you can and then
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when you have grandkids you got a bit
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more time on the hands I think that's
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just the circle of life and the other
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thing is you can't turn the clock back I
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mean they they wouldn't have had the uh
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the perks of my hard work if I it's a
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trade-off isn't it yeah it is a
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trade-off so um dyslexia at a young age
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um you always said that entrepreneurial
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Spirit though right I I heard I think I
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heard a story about you like buying
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buying merch in town and then going to a
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going to sports games and selling it for
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triple the
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price is that it's a bit of an
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exaggeration I used to go and sell
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cushions at the rugby and things like
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that but no I wouldn't set an Enterprise
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you know yeah I just that's in that's
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entrepreneurial I was good at selling I
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was good at selling meat
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right yeah um and were you were you mad
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or trouble as a kid no what was young
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Peter like a shy guy right I actually
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got my confidence in Oakland when I come
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to Oakland cuz being the what the
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youngest of seven children you know I
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don't like to say it but you know you
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can be a little bit spoiled at times the
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baby of the family of course yeah and uh
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there used to be a nightclub in
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Wellington in in the bottom of Queen
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Street called the Sher Lee and I went
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there this night and a guy's beating the
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guy beating the [ __ ] out of a guy in the
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toilet and he said to
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me what are you looking at old deal to
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you and I said if you can mate and I
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thought yeah that's good and he back
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down a little bit but I I just got the
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confidence really I changed when I got
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to Orland you know it was a it gave me
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confidence I didn't have anyone looking
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after me I had to stand on my own two
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feet you know yeah cuz you you I mean
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you do talk a big game to people you're
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like look at these tattoos don't [ __ ]
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with me but but you I mean youve got the
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biggest I said that today I said see
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these tattoos I got those in Bost I
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never but to be fair when I you Bost
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that's like a like a youth youth Justice
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Facility or whatever isn't it yeah
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that's what they would back in the day
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you've never been to a Bost in your life
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no I got I got a couple of mates to have
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to be fair yeah yeah B you should
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remember that yeah yeah but um so I mean
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a lot of people refer to you as as a
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likable Rogue but it's like it's it's an
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act right there's nothing rogy about you
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at all no I'm a [ __ ] to be fear yeah
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yeah but don't tell anyone everyone
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knows mate see those
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ter and of course the Rings intimidate
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them I'm sorry I haven't got the rings
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on today but I'm getting a bit of memory
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loss and I actually left them at home um
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because the Rings are very much part of
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me one ring is what my mother and father
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gave me when they died you know and the
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other is a warrior a a Mad Butcher ring
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my daughter got made for me and then
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I've got a warrior ring as well if you
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play a 100 games you get the ring and
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they gave that to me some years ago yeah
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and I feel naked without them but I
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hardly wear them on why hecki cuz why
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hecki is my chill out Place relax you
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know and uh so I hardly wear them right
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so so the the rings on the jewelry it's
00:17:14
like part of your sort of persona in a
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way oh yeah it's part of me yeah um
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let's talk about Janice so Janice is um
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you guys got married young like early
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20s so you've been together over 50
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years we married two years before we had
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children I know what you're thinking I
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know you were leading shotgun wedding
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leading no I
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know I know what you're like and I know
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how your mind goes no we you got me all
00:17:40
wrong we were married we were married
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for a couple of years then we had Angie
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then we had Julie a couple of years
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later um yeah how did how did you guys
00:17:48
meet how old were you when you metet you
00:17:50
the schoolmates or what no no I was from
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well she lived in Orland okay um she was
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a blind date to be fear because uh I was
00:17:59
going out with my land lady's sister she
00:18:02
got a better offer got a guy with a
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convertto and so I end up taking Janice
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out and uh the rest of History being a
00:18:09
great wife great wife and you know I've
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had some
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uh bad times with health you know I uh
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some you know died on an operating table
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and some other stuff did you wi was that
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a few years ago and she's been great
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she's stuck with me the whole way and we
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have up Sunday sounds a little bit you
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know but that's what marriage is about
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it's hard yeah yeah I mean yeah [ __ ] I'm
00:18:35
I'm 50 now and you I've gone I've gone
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through one marriage already and it's um
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we've been married blood we've been
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married about 55 56 years what do you
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reckon the secret is is it communication
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or just being on the same tolerance it's
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tolerance you know and give and take you
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know yeah I mean when I first started
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out I would come home we had a home and
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Edge Water Drive and uh uh I'd get in
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the front door my slippers would be
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there then I'd go into the kitchen and
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my tea would be there light snack light
00:19:07
snack and then I'd go upstairs and Kiss
00:19:09
the Girls good night go to bed I mean
00:19:11
Janice is I wouldn't be here without
00:19:14
Janice to be very blunt you know she's
00:19:16
very part very much part
00:19:19
of what I am who I am and how we got
00:19:22
where we are yeah does that
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um I mean does does that scare you a b i
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the same for her like when you're when
00:19:29
you're in a I suppose this is the the
00:19:31
trade-off like you have a long
00:19:32
successful relationship like that you
00:19:34
know someone that's by your side for the
00:19:36
best part of your life and then one of
00:19:38
you is going to die before the other it
00:19:40
does worry you yeah I don't know what
00:19:42
life would be without her to be fear and
00:19:44
vice verser I'd imagine yeah no that's
00:19:47
uh not worth thinking sorry sorry for
00:19:49
the down Buzz i' rather not
00:19:52
go no oh that's well congratulations U
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yeah I mean I think it there a lot of
00:19:58
about you as a person uh but she's stuck
00:20:00
around all this time you said you've had
00:20:01
your ups and downs any sort of um like
00:20:04
separations where no no no no no nothing
00:20:07
like that just you know like with have
00:20:10
the odd argument and odd storm off or
00:20:13
you know but nothing major you know yeah
00:20:17
yeah when I look back at it it's been a
00:20:19
great marriage and she's been an
00:20:21
incredible woman cuz she's had to put up
00:20:23
with a lot I had she what well like
00:20:26
everywhere I go people want to talk to
00:20:28
me yeah and I I've got verbal diarrhea
00:20:31
and I talk to everyone and that can be
00:20:33
hard for her cuz some people can be rude
00:20:35
and not acknowledge her you know what I
00:20:37
mean um but she takes it um I suppose
00:20:41
it's just yeah it's part of the Mad
00:20:43
Butcher parcel isn't it yeah yeah and I
00:20:46
you know sometimes say well that's
00:20:48
what's got us here where we are you know
00:20:50
we've got a home in Oakland and Home in
00:20:52
Wy and we we never take it for granted
00:20:55
you know we never take it for granted
00:20:57
yeah yeah
00:20:59
um yeah so you're you're quite
00:21:01
financially secure but you you could be
00:21:03
a lot more financially secure like
00:21:04
you've been so alteristic Through The
00:21:06
Years haven't you like I don't know what
00:21:08
that means oh like generous
00:21:11
charitable like um like if that was your
00:21:14
goal to be rich you you'd be a lot
00:21:16
richer than what you are financially oh
00:21:17
no question yeah I mean we we've never
00:21:22
ever set out to be Filthy Rich we're
00:21:26
well off we're okay but that's just
00:21:28
because we worked hard and didn't waste
00:21:30
our money you know my home on my hick is
00:21:33
a nice home but it ain't some Mansion
00:21:36
you know what I mean um that's what you
00:21:38
need but we love it to be fair um and
00:21:42
we've had a bit of luck through life you
00:21:43
know a guy a guy called Mr Hill financed
00:21:46
me into my first business you know and
00:21:48
he was a lovely man lived in one High
00:21:50
Street remuera I go there to his house
00:21:53
this night and they sitting down and
00:21:55
they got all these knives and forks and
00:21:57
I said to well Mr Hill what he got all
00:21:59
these n and forks for he said oh this is
00:22:01
this and that and I said yeah but you
00:22:02
only got one pair of hands you can only
00:22:04
need one that's the way they ate but he
00:22:07
was a beautiful man trusted me and uh
00:22:09
had faith in me and that's how I got
00:22:12
started oh so he like gave you the the
00:22:14
line or bought into the he had he had a
00:22:16
block of shops and he wanted to sell
00:22:17
them and uh he couldn't get a butcher
00:22:21
and I went out to look at it just I
00:22:24
don't know why we had a 1950 moris Miner
00:22:26
our daughter Angela been born and uh I
00:22:30
don't know how we come to look at the
00:22:31
shop and he was there along with the
00:22:33
land agent and when we left he said what
00:22:36
do you think of it I said well you'd
00:22:37
never get rich you'd have to work bloody
00:22:39
hard to make a living CU it's not in a
00:22:41
good position he said would you be
00:22:44
interested I said mate look at the car I
00:22:45
drive we just moved into a new home
00:22:47
Beasley home no carpetless I said we got
00:22:49
no money so he asked me for my phone
00:22:52
number and I was scared to give it to
00:22:54
him because normally the cops were
00:22:55
asking for that and um I gave it to him
00:22:59
and he rang me some months
00:23:01
later and I can't remember the exact
00:23:03
details but he I remember he called me
00:23:05
to a meeting and I said why would you
00:23:09
want to do this to me he said well I
00:23:11
sent my wife down to buy meat off you
00:23:12
and she said you're a beautiful you're a
00:23:15
lovely man and you carried the meat out
00:23:17
the I said to him without hesitation
00:23:20
this is my
00:23:21
humor I said if she must be a lot
00:23:25
younger than you and he didn't even
00:23:28
he didn't even smile um but she he she
00:23:32
he before I left he asked me where I
00:23:34
worked on that and he made that must
00:23:36
have made a note of it and uh he had
00:23:38
sent his wife down to buy meat they
00:23:39
lived in one High Street room you Era
00:23:41
and she'd come down and buy meat and I'd
00:23:43
carried out you know and and she said he
00:23:45
was very pleasant you know knew his job
00:23:48
and uh and that's why he decided to uh
00:23:52
make an offer to me I didn't even know
00:23:54
what Finance was I had no idea yeah so
00:23:57
you Yeah you mentioned before you had um
00:24:00
more than one job so you were you were a
00:24:01
butcher you were cleaning as well did
00:24:03
you say I was cleaning South o Motors at
00:24:05
one stage early in the morning and how
00:24:07
we then like late teens early 20s oh
00:24:10
would never clean that and then um I was
00:24:14
uh bony meat for a guy called Bill Tini
00:24:17
and pamu at night here um did did you
00:24:22
just did you need the cleaning job as to
00:24:24
supplement your income yeah right to
00:24:26
yeah [ __ ] and then what happened he the
00:24:29
agreement was that after a year or two
00:24:31
years I could walk away and he he he
00:24:34
brought me a new van everything he gave
00:24:35
me he gave me a blank checks virtually
00:24:37
and said get what you need to get the
00:24:39
shop going I said well I'll need a
00:24:41
vehicle cuz I can't come from packar at
00:24:43
I'm angry uh in my old minor and um the
00:24:47
deal was he would take it
00:24:51
over and I'd give him I'd give
00:24:54
him everything back you know
00:24:58
and we had a meeting and I said it's not
00:25:01
going too good Mr he said that's a good
00:25:03
Peter give me the keys you I can't
00:25:05
you've tried really hard I said well I
00:25:07
don't want to leave you in the Lurch he
00:25:09
said to me another lesson in life he
00:25:12
said you pay me when I'm going to cut
00:25:15
the interest and you pay me when you
00:25:17
want to pay when you can afford it
00:25:19
straight away the Noose got loosen
00:25:20
around my leg Yeah so I could think
00:25:22
better yeah and so yeah we ended up yeah
00:25:26
so there was so there was your first
00:25:28
store yeah and then how how did you
00:25:29
expand how did you how did you grow what
00:25:32
happened was he sold the building and
00:25:34
then the new owner put the rent up and I
00:25:36
had I I had no option I could not go
00:25:38
back losing money again you know and uh
00:25:42
a lady said to me one day I was telling
00:25:44
her about it and she said why didn't you
00:25:47
get the butcher shop around the corner
00:25:48
which was 268 messy Road that's where
00:25:51
the real home of the Mad Butcher started
00:25:53
and uh it I remember my wife's cousin
00:25:57
worked for hes and he he's a very much a
00:26:00
family man very much a family man and he
00:26:04
said to me we went to an engagement
00:26:06
party or something on a Friday night and
00:26:07
he said to me Peter you need to get out
00:26:10
sell that shop get out of it he said
00:26:12
because gooes had come in and gooes was
00:26:15
the big Supermarket from England Elbert
00:26:18
goo and he said you know we our job is
00:26:21
to send you under and I thought about it
00:26:23
I said to Janice we started with nothing
00:26:25
so we even if we go go you know to close
00:26:28
we have to close the shop we still got
00:26:30
the gear to sell so you know and uh it
00:26:33
turned out I was smart
00:26:36
I I I don't know if I brought the
00:26:39
property then but I did eventually buy
00:26:41
it and um the uh we put big signs on the
00:26:46
side of the thing you know so when they
00:26:47
were going to goo base and I had a car
00:26:49
park they would stop and get the cheap
00:26:51
meat and so we that was the journey
00:26:53
that's when the real journey started and
00:26:56
uh yeah yeah yeah how many how many
00:26:59
stores did you end up with I think we
00:27:01
ended up with 40 stores [ __ ] that's a
00:27:03
lot oh yeah over how many how many years
00:27:05
do you you try and do like one a year a
00:27:07
couple of years just that was just the
00:27:08
way the ball bounced yeah and to be
00:27:11
fair I went I took a partnering called
00:27:14
Rod slider and we were at partnership
00:27:16
for a few years but he was never a
00:27:18
partner of the Mad Butcher we set up a
00:27:21
company called Rod pit Enterprise and we
00:27:22
opened three stores and um we then
00:27:27
dissolved that agreement you know um but
00:27:29
we never had an argument and to this day
00:27:31
we're still friends and great guy and uh
00:27:35
yeah look it's just been an incredible
00:27:37
journey mate you know yeah but
00:27:40
financially when did when did it start
00:27:41
paying off like when when you've well
00:27:44
when you got 40 stores you must be doing
00:27:45
very well at that point but I didn't
00:27:46
know them they were franchise I think
00:27:48
most of them and we know okay so you're
00:27:50
just getting like a little from each
00:27:52
store and the other thing is never be
00:27:54
scared to seek
00:27:56
advice in those days the king of
00:27:58
franchis was McDonald's yeah so I ran
00:28:01
McDonald's to see if I could see the big
00:28:03
boss lady said no you know what he want
00:28:05
for I thought I want to get some advice
00:28:07
on franchise and said I he's very busy
00:28:08
w't see him for a few weeks you know and
00:28:11
then she said you're not the Mad Butcher
00:28:12
are you I I seen him the next day his
00:28:15
name was El dun he virtually said to me
00:28:18
but a nicer language he said to me your
00:28:20
franchise agreement has to be so tight
00:28:22
they can't piss fart or pee without your
00:28:25
permission and that's and that was a
00:28:27
saving graceful because my franchise
00:28:29
agreement was that tight yeah because
00:28:32
without my
00:28:35
name yeah yeah the name and the brand is
00:28:37
everything yeah so recognizable and has
00:28:40
your voice always
00:28:42
been I mean I've I've known you I guess
00:28:44
25 years um and you your voice has
00:28:47
always been like that I'm trying to
00:28:49
imagine what your voice was like as a
00:28:50
young man I wouldn't have a clue mate
00:28:52
come you all make the rum Stak 77.99 a
00:28:56
kilo you can't beat them mad wiches meat
00:28:58
oh they love it when I say that people
00:29:00
you know people still come up say go and
00:29:03
give it to us give us it to you know um
00:29:05
it's been a wonderful Journey you know
00:29:07
met so many wonderful people and uh made
00:29:10
so many friends it's it's been a
00:29:12
blessing to be fear and and your kids
00:29:16
they all worked at the store at some
00:29:17
point Didn't They y yeah didn't you fire
00:29:19
them fire them over and over again no I
00:29:21
had to let it go cuz things were a bit
00:29:23
tough she was she wasn't happy um no but
00:29:27
they both worked at times uh they both
00:29:30
the the family played a big part you
00:29:32
know as the journey went through um yeah
00:29:37
and what about League where did you
00:29:40
mangry East mang East Haws so you you
00:29:44
you you were busy running your business
00:29:45
and uh raising a young family and um
00:29:48
someone came in and asked for
00:29:49
sponsorship and that was your
00:29:50
introduction to Le that's right Colin
00:29:51
Christian who was the chairman of the
00:29:53
club come in and said to me would you
00:29:55
consider sponsoring the club I said well
00:29:57
what what sponsorship I didn't know he
00:29:59
said oh well you know you you could give
00:30:01
us a meat pack or give us you know a bit
00:30:03
of cash I can't give you cash I got no
00:30:04
bloody cash so we end up giving them a
00:30:06
few meat packs and went on for a while
00:30:09
he said why don't you come down for a
00:30:10
beer so I went down there mate my sort
00:30:13
of people drinking lion red
00:30:15
predominantly marry Polynesians you know
00:30:17
my sort of people I got on well with and
00:30:20
um next thing I'm sponsoring the club
00:30:22
and as time got on the sponsorship got
00:30:25
bigger and uh terms like a financial
00:30:28
contribution or
00:30:29
what yeah yeah I I remember one year I I
00:30:33
I I took out an insurance policy and if
00:30:36
they won the premiership they would have
00:30:38
got 10 grand wow but they didn't win you
00:30:40
know which was sad because I paid the
00:30:42
insurance policy um but I'll tell you a
00:30:45
lovely
00:30:46
story there's a player called Leslie vne
00:30:49
Cola made his name in England
00:30:51
particularly with rugby lovely guy he
00:30:54
went to a a jubilee at the mangri leag
00:30:57
club and there was on a Mad Butcher
00:30:58
Jersey on display and he got up and said
00:31:01
I I can't believe there's not a Mad
00:31:02
Butcher Jersey he said this man saved
00:31:05
the club why is there not a jersey what
00:31:07
happened that the club got into major
00:31:09
debt and I got them out of debt
00:31:12
personally got them out of debt by
00:31:13
bringing Wally Lewis to speak and Melman
00:31:15
ining and a couple of other things and
00:31:17
of course but what happens is new people
00:31:19
come and they don't know you they don't
00:31:21
know the history you know that's life
00:31:23
you know and you move on or you getting
00:31:25
getting you a boss that wants to make
00:31:26
some changes or stamp your own mark on
00:31:28
it yeah exactly mate
00:31:30
yeah but no it's been a great journey
00:31:33
and that's how the love the rugby league
00:31:34
coming when you consider I managed to
00:31:36
kiwis in 2005 and we beat Australia 240
00:31:41
in the final of the tri Nations 2006 we
00:31:44
just got pipped at the post yeah two
00:31:46
books come out on that as well yeah uh
00:31:49
because I get the feeling with you it's
00:31:51
um it's less about the sport itself and
00:31:53
just more about the people and the the
00:31:55
commun the sense of community that that
00:31:57
you get I've been to Ericson a couple of
00:31:59
times and I've seen you and you're
00:32:00
running around and people are calling
00:32:02
you and you're letting people in you're
00:32:03
going to the gate you're not even
00:32:04
watching the games no no um this is
00:32:07
going to shock you and whoever's
00:32:09
watching I actually know nothing about
00:32:11
rug I have a great passion for the game
00:32:15
and and the people and the people but I
00:32:17
don't know the rules I I don't know the
00:32:19
rules you know and I couldn't care less
00:32:22
it's just my re it's my relaxation you
00:32:25
see when you when you when you're build
00:32:27
in a
00:32:28
business and you're 24/7 worried about
00:32:31
how you going to pay the bills and that
00:32:33
you need something to relax and my
00:32:35
relaxation which go and watching the
00:32:37
Hawks play I'd go to Carlo Park and
00:32:39
watch them and I've never bothered to
00:32:41
learn the rules some said to me just
00:32:43
recently why don't you earn the rules
00:32:45
buter I said well I don't want them I
00:32:47
don't need to iose I suppose yeah you
00:32:49
probably like my I'm probably the same
00:32:51
as you like I know what I know what's
00:32:52
happening I know when they score a try
00:32:53
and I you know you don't know you don't
00:32:56
need to know
00:32:58
I said to this I said to this person I
00:33:00
don't need to mate I was manager of the
00:33:02
kiwis that helped to turn the tide of
00:33:04
New Zealand rugby league we beat
00:33:05
Australia 24- nil in the final in the UK
00:33:10
I said the next year we just got pipped
00:33:12
at the post I was the manager and I went
00:33:14
through a couple of things that I've
00:33:15
been involved in you know in rugby
00:33:17
league and beyond my wild I never
00:33:19
thought I'd be in those positions you
00:33:21
know yeah how how did that happen you
00:33:23
sort of went from like mascot to manager
00:33:25
really didn't you well then Anderson
00:33:28
when we traveled I would fill in as
00:33:30
manager sometimes and he was impressed
00:33:33
so he got me the job as the kiwi's
00:33:36
manager and then the bucker turned
00:33:38
around and takes off to bloody England I
00:33:40
think was some Helens he went to so
00:33:42
there there was there was a proper job
00:33:43
like man what what did you have to do as
00:33:44
manager of the team ah it it wasn't a
00:33:47
PID job you know it was uh you organize
00:33:50
you know travel and you know you make
00:33:52
sure the guys are on the bus some time
00:33:54
and you get them you teach them
00:33:56
disciplines like you know I said if
00:33:58
you're late I'll leave you behind and uh
00:34:02
we we were in England and I left the
00:34:04
doctor behind cuz he wasn't down on the
00:34:06
bus one time and he wasn't happy and
00:34:09
someone said to me on the bus oh the
00:34:10
doctor's not on I
00:34:12
said I know
00:34:14
that but I said no no what did I tell
00:34:18
you then I I I you know raised the voice
00:34:20
what did I tell you all you buggers I
00:34:22
said if you're not down on time you get
00:34:24
left behind the doctor's no bloody
00:34:26
except and he can walk to the bloody
00:34:28
Stadium he wasn't very happy the doctor
00:34:30
but I st you know stuck had your R and
00:34:34
um uh you you like that with the players
00:34:36
as well you You' you know pull them
00:34:38
aside and have a word if you had to yep
00:34:40
no no you had to you had to be the boss
00:34:42
it's not easy and that they they
00:34:43
respected you and took you seriously not
00:34:45
like you know whatever you I asked Adam
00:34:47
BL the other day who was the best
00:34:49
manager he had he said you butch by far
00:34:51
and he didn't have to say that uh look I
00:34:54
I Ruled with the f
00:34:57
[Music]
00:34:58
that's rude leaving your phone on when
00:35:00
we having a chat I know that is so rude
00:35:02
hey um hey Ash I'm here with the Mad
00:35:03
Butcher we're just doing a
00:35:06
podcast hello hi I'm just I'm just here
00:35:08
with the m butcher doing a
00:35:11
podcast oh hang
00:35:14
on
00:35:16
sh turn my phone off sorry yeah oh I
00:35:21
didn't answer I'm going to be in trouble
00:35:22
now um oh yes um any um well let me let
00:35:26
me tell you story I have a very good
00:35:28
friend on miky island called lley been
00:35:31
my friend for over 50 odd
00:35:34
years when we were back in New Zealand I
00:35:38
brought him into the camp as my
00:35:40
assistant and made one of the loveliest
00:35:43
things in his life it just made him feel
00:35:46
so special you see it's very special to
00:35:49
be involved in the team and you know
00:35:52
yeah and I loved every minute of it yeah
00:35:54
I mean there were hard times you had to
00:35:56
be hard but I was also very lucky I had
00:35:58
a guy called Pat karthy who was the uh
00:36:01
Financial sort of guy after the gear and
00:36:04
he was very good we got on well and it's
00:36:06
all about a combination blue em panon
00:36:08
was the coach you know but Daniel got me
00:36:11
the job and might then took off to St
00:36:14
Helens I think but a great guy and I've
00:36:17
uh I went over to the fundraiser because
00:36:20
as you know Daniel Anderson's you know
00:36:23
paraplegic now yeah from here down he's
00:36:25
what happened to him he he got hit yeah
00:36:28
right right but you know up here sharp
00:36:31
as a tech sharp as a tech great guy and
00:36:34
an actual fact we've got a we we've got
00:36:37
a game or we've had a game uh and it's
00:36:40
Daniel Anderson week that's coming up in
00:36:42
about a week's time yeah oh how good I I
00:36:44
think we'll sort the stay and we're
00:36:46
going to give part of the gate to him
00:36:49
that's nice yeah um yeah on on your
00:36:52
Facebook like you're still you catch up
00:36:54
with a lot of um former players like you
00:36:56
a lot of them are still friends for life
00:36:59
yeah who who who are your your best
00:37:01
friends that are former players you seem
00:37:02
to hang out with Stacy Jones a lot well
00:37:04
Stacy's close yeah he's uh his
00:37:06
birthday's May the 7th mine's May the
00:37:08
eth and we have formed a quite a good
00:37:11
Bond when I went over to the Daniel
00:37:13
Anderson uh fundraiser and um I went to
00:37:17
the game the next day I pushed the boat
00:37:19
out pretty bad bad and he rang me the
00:37:22
next week on the Wednesday and said how
00:37:23
are you I said I'm still Eed mate you
00:37:26
know
00:37:27
yeah no but just look to be fa I love
00:37:29
the more Motu Tony they're all special
00:37:32
to me um yeah that's cool um there
00:37:38
there's an episode that you did of um
00:37:39
this is your life I watched that a
00:37:40
couple of days ago in preparation for
00:37:42
this um it's it's funny seeing the the
00:37:44
the Kiwi players in the front row
00:37:46
there's Simon mening there um young
00:37:48
Stacy Jones young Monty be very young
00:37:51
manui um so you've been a part of these
00:37:53
guys
00:37:54
lives since they were like teenagers
00:37:57
that was very
00:37:58
humbling they the producer or whoever
00:38:02
rung the Kiwi camp and said we'd like a
00:38:05
couple of Warriors to come along so the
00:38:08
the coach or manager said to the got the
00:38:10
team they have team meeting said you
00:38:12
know the Butch has got this as your life
00:38:14
on and in this country it's a big thing
00:38:17
and they like two people and they they
00:38:19
just sit up the whole team goes or no
00:38:21
one goes whole team come which was a and
00:38:25
and they were playing the next day or
00:38:27
something I can't remember the exact
00:38:29
details oh so they were in Camp so oh
00:38:31
they were in Camp a big honor a big
00:38:33
honor absolutely yeah so a lot of people
00:38:35
watching watching this or listening to
00:38:37
this podcast won't even remember this is
00:38:39
your life but it's an iconic TV show um
00:38:41
Bob Parker hosted in New Zealand back in
00:38:43
the day the episode that you did so Paul
00:38:44
Holmes who's no longer with us he he was
00:38:46
hosting it so you're um so so you're at
00:38:50
you're at you're at the theater watching
00:38:51
some show and he just pops up pops up
00:38:55
with a with a book do do are you are you
00:38:56
did you have any inkling at what's going
00:38:58
on what happened I J must have been in
00:39:00
on it though no I thought there was
00:39:01
something going on because they wanted
00:39:02
me to go and see the show at the Civic
00:39:05
Theater and they wanted to do a family
00:39:07
thing and I thought this is not you know
00:39:09
I I felt there was something not right
00:39:12
so at half time we standing Paul Holmes
00:39:14
coming through and you know Paul Holmes
00:39:16
bit like me talk hello how are you hello
00:39:18
how are talk to everyone has anyone seen
00:39:19
the mad and there I was come over and he
00:39:22
he said you know we're going back to the
00:39:24
studio do do this is your life it was uh
00:39:26
it was quite a thing and people can
00:39:28
actually Google that and watch it yeah
00:39:30
it's on you that's how I watched it it's
00:39:32
on YouTube and uh yeah it was pretty
00:39:34
special and they had my teacher there
00:39:36
called Mrs Maine yeah and to be to be
00:39:39
fair I don't want to be don't want to be
00:39:40
rude but um yeah she looked younger than
00:39:43
you yeah but anyhow Paul left the book
00:39:46
down and I cheated and I looked who was
00:39:49
coming up so this voice comes up and I
00:39:51
jumped out of the chair that's Mrs M my
00:39:53
old teacher and what we done we took her
00:39:55
out for a drink after afterwards and
00:39:57
Paul come to the pub with us and he got
00:39:59
pissed and they asked me to get rid of
00:40:00
him cuz the the management cuz he was
00:40:03
over the you know really oh homesi was a
00:40:05
bit obnoxious oh no no no no he was just
00:40:08
pissed you know they didn't want that
00:40:09
under anyhow we got rid of him and we
00:40:13
flew down to Wellington and took Mrs M
00:40:15
and husband out for
00:40:17
dinner sometime later as a thank you cuz
00:40:20
she gave me a little bit of Hope the
00:40:21
last year at school yeah you know year
00:40:23
cuz when you in my
00:40:25
day
00:40:27
when you were dumb like I was you got
00:40:29
the worst teachers you got the worst oh
00:40:31
cuz you're in the dumb the dumb class we
00:40:33
had a teacher at College before Mrs
00:40:36
Maine she should never have been
00:40:38
teaching you know she'd break down a cry
00:40:41
over nothing you know it was a joke the
00:40:44
head Master come in one day roaring you
00:40:46
know what have you done you know what
00:40:47
have you done and have done anything she
00:40:49
just she just bloody you know she was H
00:40:52
just brutal yeah um but this is your
00:40:55
life thing one of the one of the guests
00:40:57
on that was um John K this is when he
00:40:58
was prime minister so you had the
00:41:00
sitting prime minister of the country um
00:41:03
on this TV show to like pay honor to you
00:41:06
it's massive yeah you have to you have
00:41:07
to understand that me and Sir John
00:41:10
become friends through the Christ
00:41:12
earthquake mhm uh I seen some of the
00:41:15
good stuff he done down there and uh I'd
00:41:18
always s I'd always sort of been a labor
00:41:20
candidate and uh when the election come
00:41:23
up I come out and it was for me to come
00:41:27
out cuz you know my roots are working
00:41:30
class and uh support him and he to this
00:41:33
day he says the butcher got me reelected
00:41:36
because he reckons I swung a lot of
00:41:37
Labor people right though he he his
00:41:40
words were something like they would
00:41:42
think if it's good enough for the
00:41:44
butcher it's good enough for us you know
00:41:46
and uh but he was a good man he without
00:41:48
without that he was the best prime
00:41:50
minister we had although you you called
00:41:51
them thick on
00:41:53
TV well you call everyone thick though
00:41:55
don't you
00:41:56
like my my mouth opens before my brain
00:42:00
and you got to remember I've only got a
00:42:01
small brain mate small brain um and
00:42:05
Wally Lewis he flew over for this is
00:42:07
your life as well he's been in the at
00:42:08
the time we're recording this um it's
00:42:10
just come out in the past week that he's
00:42:11
got um dementia I think yeah but you're
00:42:14
still in touch did you message him when
00:42:16
you hear that news I regularly regularly
00:42:19
you know um and I actually said to him
00:42:22
the other day look willly Wally on
00:42:26
losing memory I've got some issues you
00:42:29
know I said to them I trip over all the
00:42:31
time now and I tripped over today when
00:42:33
we're coming to do this podcast and I
00:42:35
hit my head really hard and my head
00:42:37
bounced off the concrete you know um and
00:42:40
I've got a bit of memory loss as well
00:42:42
you know so that's you know part of
00:42:43
getting old but he's not old but I said
00:42:45
just got to move on you know um but now
00:42:48
he's been a great friend you know but
00:42:50
I'm lucky I met some wonderful people in
00:42:53
rugby league you know from fans there's
00:42:55
two woman in England I
00:42:57
met uh I spoke to her on Facebook early
00:43:00
this morning um and uh she's been out
00:43:04
met my family you know we've stayed in
00:43:07
touch all these years yeah and that
00:43:09
would
00:43:09
be ah before I was manager of the kiwis
00:43:13
I met them I met them in the skyra hotel
00:43:17
in leads and they just added a rugby
00:43:21
league people Dawn and I C the another
00:43:24
one there yeah in here God you give you
00:43:27
give so much of your time does does
00:43:28
anyone um like sort of you know take
00:43:31
advantage of
00:43:33
you have you you got quite good sense of
00:43:36
that oh and I can pick that up yeah yeah
00:43:38
yeah You' being an easy target for a lot
00:43:40
of people I reckon just you're easy
00:43:42
target but they find out you know I've
00:43:43
had a few people try to you know hook on
00:43:46
my coattail for their own benefit you
00:43:48
know but no yeah so you're a good judge
00:43:51
of character you have to I always tell
00:43:53
people when I first open the shop people
00:43:56
used to pay by check all right oh that's
00:43:58
right they bouncing Che not everybody
00:44:01
but there were a lot and because I
00:44:04
didn't have a lot of money I had to make
00:44:06
a I had to make a decision is this
00:44:09
person good for the money and I had to
00:44:12
look them up and down and make a
00:44:14
decision I got it right most times you
00:44:17
know and so that's made me a good judge
00:44:19
of character Mar dick used to often use
00:44:21
me as a ref reference what do you think
00:44:23
of this person M dick for those people
00:44:26
famous radio broadcaster yeah great
00:44:28
Sports broad famous than youw Fe
00:44:31
oh oh he didn't like that he didn't like
00:44:34
that oh that that was a knife to the
00:44:36
Bone that's it I'm done de is more
00:44:40
famous than
00:44:44
me um no it's got to be uh it's got to
00:44:48
be hard though because as you said
00:44:49
before like you're all about positivity
00:44:51
and no no negativity so when when you're
00:44:53
wired that way and you do you want to
00:44:55
see the good in people people yeah so
00:44:57
and there's some Beautiful People Mate I
00:44:59
I've met some wonderful people like I
00:45:02
told you the guy bringing the mug back
00:45:03
from England
00:45:05
the um but I I've had some wonderful
00:45:09
things happen to me you know re what you
00:45:11
saw though yeah and when
00:45:14
I when I died on the operating table
00:45:18
somehow it got into the public Arena and
00:45:21
the cards we got the cards we got
00:45:24
unbelievable and some of the letters
00:45:28
when I flew people up from Christ Church
00:45:30
for the uh I'd fly them up to a Warrior
00:45:32
game and fly them home afterwards and
00:45:35
I've still got some of the letters you
00:45:38
know pretty special moments to be fair
00:45:42
oh 100% yeah yeah cuz so you mentioned
00:45:45
dying on the operating table um yeah you
00:45:48
sh you're lucky to be here and your late
00:45:49
70s there's been a a hell of a lot of
00:45:51
Health scares haven't there so when was
00:45:53
the what was the operating table thing
00:45:54
that you're talking about I was getting
00:45:55
valves done or something oh you had like
00:45:57
stance put in your heart or something
00:45:59
like there's been bladder cancer um
00:46:02
diabetes arthritis yep yeah how are you
00:46:05
now you right was good as gold I could
00:46:08
take you out in the first
00:46:10
round
00:46:12
yeah yeah but you can't you can't Tom
00:46:16
you can't dwell on the past you got to
00:46:18
look to the Future yeah and you've just
00:46:20
got to enjoy every
00:46:22
day I used to be a graved digger and
00:46:26
when I used to do public speaking I used
00:46:27
to ask people what would you Lear at
00:46:29
being a grave digger you know and I
00:46:31
would tell them my first grave I dug was
00:46:33
a a six-year old boy you know no one
00:46:37
ever got it right I would write the
00:46:38
answer in my pocket and I'd hold a $100
00:46:40
note up and say anyone gets right you
00:46:42
get this or how to dig holes all this
00:46:45
you learn the value of life because none
00:46:49
of us know when we're going to click out
00:46:51
could be
00:46:52
today it could be you look at the kids
00:46:56
that die at 8 or 9 so you got to enjoy
00:46:58
every day while you can you know yeah I
00:47:01
feel like you do as well don't you I do
00:47:03
my best yeah I don't have a lot of
00:47:06
regrets you know there are what regrets
00:47:09
do you have I can't tell you they're
00:47:12
secret um now I I I think I do enjoy you
00:47:17
know I try to enjoy life as much you
00:47:19
know yeah I I I think um I mean I mean
00:47:22
if you get to your late '70s and you've
00:47:24
got no regrets then it's like haven't
00:47:25
lived a very rich or fulfilling life
00:47:27
have you I think you need some regrets
00:47:29
oh yeah but you you you mentioned one
00:47:31
before like the regret of I suppose
00:47:33
working so hard that you missed um
00:47:35
spending time with your kids yeah I'm
00:47:37
curious to know what these secret
00:47:38
regrets are um you got another family
00:47:41
somewhere secret family how dare you how
00:47:45
dare you speak to a knight of the realm
00:47:47
like that by
00:47:50
God terrible um yeah um so how do you
00:47:54
how do you feel about aging I I I I get
00:47:56
the sense that you're frustrated about
00:47:58
losing your memory and you're losing
00:47:59
your balance and stuff yeah well if you
00:48:02
had to seen me today you'd understand
00:48:04
why because mate mate I hit my head on
00:48:06
the concrete and I bounced up my mate
00:48:10
that was with me he he he panic and
00:48:13
people rushed to me we had three people
00:48:15
rush to me cuz they seen it yeah and boy
00:48:19
they were concerned um what was the
00:48:22
question now oh yeah you seem frustrated
00:48:25
by some of the some of the things that
00:48:26
are you're losing with age yeah you do
00:48:29
but at the same token you turn it into
00:48:31
positivity yeah you're 79 you're still
00:48:34
alive you know and you're still
00:48:37
reasonably you know I mean the Big Mate
00:48:40
you're Shar up as a tech yeah the the
00:48:42
biggest fear I think you have when
00:48:44
you're getting old and you're losing a
00:48:46
bit of memory is that dementia coming on
00:48:49
you know and I say this
00:48:52
respectfully when you think some people
00:48:54
have got dementia and they don't know
00:48:55
what what day of the week is they don't
00:48:57
know if a bus is running them over you
00:48:59
know well I don't want to be like that I
00:49:01
want to be given an injection and put to
00:49:03
sleep because I don't want other people
00:49:06
having waste their time because it is a
00:49:08
waste of time and I say that
00:49:10
respectfully I say that respectfully but
00:49:13
you know you don't know you don't know
00:49:14
if you're pooing or peeing or whatever
00:49:16
you know and yeah yeah also you wouldn't
00:49:19
you wouldn't necessarily want to lose
00:49:20
the less um the the essence of who you
00:49:22
are as a person you know you know what I
00:49:24
mean like you wouldn't want um
00:49:26
Stacy Jones to come and visit you and go
00:49:27
oh it's not it's not butch anymore no no
00:49:31
yeah
00:49:33
uh the worst thing is you you wouldn't
00:49:35
know anything and that that's a terrible
00:49:37
thing you know and I I I feel sorry for
00:49:40
anyone that's having and we've got a
00:49:42
friend now that's got it and uh his
00:49:46
wife's thinking of bringing him home
00:49:48
and she's wasting their time are you
00:49:51
getting a are you getting a bit Misty
00:49:53
eyed a little bit yeah are you quite an
00:49:55
emotional guy these days I think so yeah
00:49:59
you always always been that way or is
00:50:01
that like something that's Creed up on
00:50:02
age it's a bit more with old age I think
00:50:04
yeah yeah I've sort of found like that I
00:50:06
I I during my 20s or 30s I I think maybe
00:50:08
I cried at my n's funeral and maybe with
00:50:11
one failed round of IVF and that was
00:50:12
probably it now now I this a story they
00:50:17
generally um for me it's mainly mainly
00:50:19
tears of gratitude these days you're
00:50:21
you're in PR you're in the prime of life
00:50:22
you should be enjoying life while you
00:50:24
can cuz you don't what's around the
00:50:26
corner yeah and I do get a bit emotional
00:50:28
now um just by aging you know that's
00:50:33
good yeah P of Aging yeah and you know
00:50:36
that's the negative but the positive is
00:50:38
how you still there to get back nearly
00:50:40
slept you're there yeah this is a
00:50:42
podcast you can you can swear all you
00:50:44
want no I've got to try to cut
00:50:47
down cutting back I us restricting
00:50:49
yourself to eight F bombs a day when I
00:50:52
used to do public speaking for the
00:50:54
celebrity speakers they would tell the
00:50:55
people you speak he he will say the f
00:50:58
word eight or nine times one of one of
00:51:01
the great stories of that a lady
00:51:04
contacted them for me to do a spection
00:51:06
in Bago and I had a I have a affiliation
00:51:10
cuz I used to MC a fishing company down
00:51:12
there called the BL fishing comp the
00:51:14
starby craft fishing competition I Haven
00:51:16
seen it for a few years
00:51:19
anyhow they said I do swear oh no we the
00:51:23
bus doesn't want any swearing they said
00:51:25
no that's that's the deal can we
00:51:28
approach him directly but still pay you
00:51:30
the fee okay so the lady Rings me and I
00:51:33
said I am what I am and and I can't do
00:51:36
that I said but look I tell you what get
00:51:38
Eric Rush he's an outstanding speaker
00:51:40
doesn't swear and I gave her a couple of
00:51:42
other names her very good
00:51:45
speakers she come back a couple of weeks
00:51:48
later boss wants you m I said well to be
00:51:52
fair my wife's not keen on coming down
00:51:55
so they ended up they paid me twice the
00:51:57
fee which was $88,000 wow cuz it was
00:52:00
$4,000 only yeah to get me down there
00:52:03
they flew Jenis down as well give us an
00:52:05
extra night accommodation down there and
00:52:09
when I was doing the speech a guy walked
00:52:11
in the just as we starting we started I
00:52:15
said excuse me mate excuse me
00:52:17
punctuality key the success now come and
00:52:20
sit down here I want to sit up there I
00:52:22
said I'm running the show [ __ ] sit
00:52:23
down here and it was the boss Jesus
00:52:28
anyhow afterwards I had a coat with him
00:52:29
cuz he didn't drink and uh he said know
00:52:32
that was perfect he said that's just one
00:52:34
of the points I was trying to get
00:52:36
through and he said uh you didn't offend
00:52:39
me swearing you had a NE about you but
00:52:42
the nice thing about it I got them to
00:52:43
write the check for Ron McDonald house
00:52:46
but they just say this is from the Mad
00:52:48
Butcher you know and um the next day
00:52:51
they sent me a gift around for me and
00:52:53
Janice and I said to the lady no you
00:52:55
don't need to do that you paid me no the
00:52:57
boss wanted the boss loved it so much he
00:52:59
wanted to give you something else here
00:53:00
oh it's nice you meet nice people yeah
00:53:02
you um you did that a lot when you did
00:53:03
your public speaking you get you'd get a
00:53:05
fee and you'd give the fee to charity
00:53:06
yeah
00:53:07
yeah so you know I never kept a record
00:53:10
of how much I gave away [ __ ] you're
00:53:12
you're you must have been your
00:53:13
accountant's nightmare I don't know if
00:53:16
the accountant knew about it after the
00:53:17
time yeah um yeah I don't know to be
00:53:21
fair but you know I never kept a record
00:53:24
but should what what do you reckon 5 mil
00:53:26
oh no I wouldn't have a clue no no no no
00:53:28
no I wouldn't have a clue no and I'm not
00:53:31
going to put a figure on it um because
00:53:33
that that's sort of the reason you got
00:53:35
kned really isn't it it was for services
00:53:36
to charity and business but well no
00:53:40
anyone can get KN it yeah all
00:53:42
right what happens is someone's got to
00:53:46
nominate you and then they have to
00:53:48
follow it with some letters of
00:53:51
uh like recommendation or whatever yeah
00:53:54
and one of of the guys that was
00:53:56
instrumental in it was a GU called Bob
00:53:59
Houston from the pon Rugby
00:54:02
Club he approached me once for some
00:54:06
sponsorship and I helped him out not a
00:54:08
big
00:54:09
deal but he said to someone one day how
00:54:13
come this guy's not kned you know he
00:54:14
does like I sponsored the pon Rugby Club
00:54:17
in that and uh all you need is people to
00:54:20
nominate you and to to and anyone can be
00:54:23
kned but I mean
00:54:25
when they when they kned me they broke
00:54:27
the the mold because there's not many
00:54:30
kns around the world that a character
00:54:35
like me swears a lot you know it's a bit
00:54:38
of a lar um yeah but it was it was
00:54:42
through the the sharing of the love out
00:54:44
there you know what I mean oh yeah like
00:54:47
yeah I mean yeah business aside like
00:54:49
there there's a lot of people that set
00:54:50
up businesses and do well in business a
00:54:51
lot of people that have done terribly in
00:54:53
business a lot of lot of people that
00:54:54
have done way better than what you had
00:54:56
but it's plenty of people yeah the other
00:54:59
stuff that you you do though and um I
00:55:02
genuinely don't think the business had
00:55:04
anything to do with it I believe it was
00:55:06
what I do in the community see I have a
00:55:08
saying the greatest gift you can give
00:55:10
anyone is your time and I stand by that
00:55:12
you can't buy time you know when the
00:55:14
good maker comes and says you're coming
00:55:16
to heaven or the Devil comes and say
00:55:17
you're coming downstairs you can't say
00:55:19
I'll give you $2 million to leave me go
00:55:22
you can't do that you know it's that's
00:55:24
life mate you know and you just move on
00:55:27
do do you do you believe in in afterlife
00:55:29
do you think there's an no no no no so
00:55:32
when you're gone you're gone yeah yeah
00:55:34
yeah yeah I want a big Memorial no I
00:55:37
don't I have a joke with my family like
00:55:39
a statue statue at um go media Stadium
00:55:44
yeah um we should have one there for
00:55:46
Stacy Jones to be fair yeah um but no it
00:55:51
it it it people say to me you know oh
00:55:54
you're lucky you got anointed what do
00:55:56
you get what do you get you know what
00:55:59
you get what do you think you get get
00:56:01
anointed like a little middle or
00:56:02
something no you get respect right you
00:56:06
get respect a lot more respect oh do you
00:56:10
I mean I I'm I'm not the night here so I
00:56:12
don't want to be arguing with you but I
00:56:13
feel like um I don't know I don't know
00:56:16
if I agree with that well I don't you're
00:56:18
not in the position to because you've
00:56:19
never been no no but like my my respect
00:56:23
for you had my opinion of you my respect
00:56:26
for you hasn't changed since you no but
00:56:27
a lot of
00:56:28
people that they take you seriously they
00:56:31
they they noticed you know um yeah well
00:56:36
that's my opinion you know uh and you
00:56:39
got to remember they don't like people
00:56:41
like me and I'm not being humble when I
00:56:43
say that it's a fact of life I'm
00:56:44
Different mate swear like a trooper and
00:56:48
carry on Mich laran at times yeah you
00:56:51
know um but it was through the uh the
00:56:55
little things I do giving people time I
00:56:58
remember I I ranked someone who was
00:57:00
sick they asked a friend to ask me if I
00:57:03
could bring them and
00:57:05
I you know done it and the friend rang
00:57:09
me back the next week
00:57:13
unbelievable she's smiling she's happy
00:57:16
she's like she's won the
00:57:18
lotto and I always make a point of
00:57:20
getting back to people a guy a guy
00:57:22
approached me the other day to send a
00:57:24
message to A kids football team and I
00:57:26
never done it cuz my memory and you know
00:57:28
I'd have been scrolling through my phone
00:57:30
this morning trying to find that message
00:57:31
and I can't find it and it's worrying me
00:57:33
you know oh you need to be you need to
00:57:36
be kinder to yourself no no but there's
00:57:38
a discipline it's a discipline you have
00:57:40
disciplines and I I pride myself in
00:57:43
getting back and he's he's entitled to
00:57:45
that I did bring him back but you know
00:57:48
yeah I've got to do what he want me to
00:57:50
do and I'll sit down later today and see
00:57:53
if I can find it yeah oh good on you
00:57:55
good on you and um yeah I picked you up
00:57:57
from the fury so you live on you live on
00:57:59
how long have you lived on W hickey
00:58:00
don't live there oh you don't I'm there
00:58:03
80% of the time and we have a home in
00:58:06
Buck's Beach as well yes but I love it I
00:58:09
call why hickey Paradise yeah oh it
00:58:11
really is it's a beautiful place had
00:58:12
homes here for 50 years yeah yeah um I I
00:58:17
was on holiday a number of years ago
00:58:19
this was in in January and I I I me me
00:58:21
me and JJ we were married at the time we
00:58:23
were in Cuba so we there's Wi-Fi or
00:58:25
anything and then we I went to Cuba as
00:58:26
well you're not the only person that
00:58:28
been to Cuba I went to Cuba with Phil
00:58:31
gford and Fidel Castro was just getting
00:58:33
a bit crook Helen Clark was the Prime
00:58:35
Minister and I knew a lot of the labor
00:58:37
ministers and I tried to get an audience
00:58:39
with some federal Castro and uh the
00:58:42
reason being my dad used to get the
00:58:44
people's voice paper but he wasn't a
00:58:47
Como but he you know he used to breed
00:58:49
the paper because he was a great Union
00:58:50
man and so uh I couldn't get it but it
00:58:54
was a great trip me and Phil had a great
00:58:56
time I didn't learn you know what I
00:58:57
learned out of that trip how much you
00:58:59
learn reading Phil knew everything about
00:59:01
the place I said know all this film he
00:59:03
said I read about it yeah like we stayed
00:59:05
in the the pont's old home right on the
00:59:08
water and it was oh magnificent and pH
00:59:12
read it you know and that's why we
00:59:13
stayed there yeah I I loved Cuba so much
00:59:16
that that wasn't a flex though saying
00:59:17
I've been to Cuba the point was um you a
00:59:20
big noting
00:59:23
mate I'm not a SE what what can I bring
00:59:26
up I've been to Cuba [ __ ] he's been to
00:59:28
Cuba as well um no no no the point I was
00:59:31
making is we were um out of out of out
00:59:33
of touch with what's happening on home
00:59:35
uh what's happening back at home and
00:59:36
then as soon as I got back to the States
00:59:38
and was on Wi-Fi there was um you were
00:59:40
blowing up with a there was like a a
00:59:42
racism incident on wcky island I I felt
00:59:45
compelled to like message you cuz I um
00:59:48
that that made me so sad when was that
00:59:50
like 2017 2018 you made a joke to
00:59:53
someone yeah so you make a
00:59:56
joke there was a group of girls ladies
01:00:00
and they'd been drinking and they wanted
01:00:03
to talk to me they were like this to me
01:00:04
so I went over and talked to them and I
01:00:07
said just by the way we've got a
01:00:09
sergeant on the island and he's really
01:00:11
hot on Dr Driving she said I'm tongue
01:00:14
and Defender and I can do what I like
01:00:15
and I said yes and it's a white man
01:00:19
Island as well and the aswell got taken
01:00:23
out and she went straight home and
01:00:25
posted you know she was posted thing on
01:00:27
there and there's no question I got
01:00:29
hammered no question yeah I felt I felt
01:00:31
really bad for you because I can say
01:00:33
this there were some very racist
01:00:34
comments made to me as well okay but out
01:00:37
of every negative there's a positive
01:00:40
tamama come out and supported me now if
01:00:42
anyone could have bagged
01:00:44
me with credibility was Tam ETI he's a
01:00:48
pro mate you know but he come out and
01:00:50
supported me yeah so I rang him a few
01:00:52
weeks to find out why and I won't go
01:00:54
with the detail tell but the what us he
01:00:55
did and then there was another guy on
01:00:57
social media an island guy from uh uh
01:01:01
mangry and
01:01:03
um he said so you think he's a racist
01:01:06
well I'm a Samoan he said and I rang
01:01:10
him I rang the Mad Butcher stopped to
01:01:14
speak to him and he said it goes like
01:01:17
this good afternoon M butcher speaking
01:01:20
uh I want to speak to the real man
01:01:21
butcher you got the real man butcher no
01:01:23
no I want to speak to the Real Mad
01:01:25
Butcher you got the [ __ ] real Mad
01:01:27
Butcher and he said I told him that my
01:01:30
daughter's sick and I needed to
01:01:31
fundraise and I didn't know how to do it
01:01:33
and uh he said to me you better come
01:01:35
down straight away and he said
01:01:38
uh you'll be too busy to see me and he
01:01:42
said to me in a Gruff voice he said
01:01:44
listen mate if I'm too busy to help
01:01:46
someone with a sick child I'm not worth
01:01:50
knowing he came down and my my office
01:01:53
was a 10 shed in the back backyard at
01:01:56
the shop at Messi Road and uh he come in
01:01:58
and we had a talk and I told him how to
01:02:01
do it and I said I'm going to give you
01:02:02
some meat vouches and you'll turn them
01:02:05
into how I told them how to turn them in
01:02:08
and I gave them a few tips and he
01:02:12
said where are all the other Polynesians
01:02:15
that have he's helped and I know there's
01:02:16
plenty where are you the tide come out
01:02:19
the tide come out yeah what's when when
01:02:22
something like that happens she had to
01:02:23
take that com down yeah were you um yeah
01:02:27
I me I mean that was mean it feels like
01:02:29
it was ban like she was making banter
01:02:31
about being a mold in the PS that come
01:02:32
with that and then you and then um yeah
01:02:34
did Susan devoy piss you off like she
01:02:36
was the race relation counselor at the
01:02:37
time and she first of all came out and
01:02:38
said oh a mad Butch is the least racist
01:02:41
person I know and then she no no no no
01:02:43
no Susan the boy is a good friend yeah
01:02:47
but she was told by her superiors that
01:02:51
that was inappropriate for her to do
01:02:52
that but she had already done it so it
01:02:54
was okay yeah no I won't have a bad word
01:02:57
s but I I I mean I I was frustrated for
01:03:00
you in that time so I felt um I know I
01:03:03
know you're big enough and ugly enough
01:03:04
to look after yourself but I thought I
01:03:05
got I got a message to this guy because
01:03:07
m i I found it heartbreaking and because
01:03:09
you you have done so much for um moldy
01:03:12
and Pacific communities my family and me
01:03:14
went through some bad times yeah did you
01:03:16
no question oh yeah very that's rough
01:03:18
there's an outpouring of support like I
01:03:20
know Monte and a bunch of the Warriors
01:03:22
yeah let me let me say this there's two
01:03:25
sides to racism the European then the
01:03:28
Mary side and I got that Mary side big
01:03:31
time you know but it's dead and buried
01:03:34
she had to take her thing down because
01:03:36
she got so much hate M you know and um
01:03:40
yeah it's over and done with we move on
01:03:44
yeah yeah I mean it was horrible list
01:03:47
how was your mental health in that time
01:03:48
so you not good to be faar
01:03:52
really some will be watching this
01:03:54
someone just be listening he's currently
01:03:55
waving his uh one inz voone flag
01:03:58
Warriors flag around yeah yeah is that
01:04:01
one of the toughest things you've you've
01:04:03
you've been through oh yeah no question
01:04:05
it it really tested our
01:04:08
family I never forget on the night my
01:04:12
wife would be the most pled woman to
01:04:14
anyone yeah she wanted to fight the lady
01:04:17
not her the mother
01:04:20
and they were from a bad family and my
01:04:23
wife would have got killed you know but
01:04:26
that's that's how bad it was yeah but
01:04:29
you know I have to choose my words
01:04:32
carefully now you know yeah were you um
01:04:35
you know you're you're such a you're
01:04:36
such a nice man and you're so trusting
01:04:38
of
01:04:39
people something like that happens where
01:04:42
you know someone takes to social media
01:04:43
and you know sort of misrepresents you
01:04:46
really I mean yeah it's tough it's tough
01:04:48
when you're a trusting person oh that
01:04:50
was very hard I mean the the fact is
01:04:55
she cut out as well and the media cut
01:04:59
that out as well and there's a few
01:05:02
stories but that I won't go into but I
01:05:04
know how the herald tried to bury me on
01:05:07
that someone there didn't like me you
01:05:09
know so I don't buy the herald very
01:05:11
often
01:05:13
now yeah um yeah in your in your book
01:05:17
I've been flicking through your book how
01:05:19
long ago did that come out by the way
01:05:20
I've still got on my for 15 years don't
01:05:22
know what a ride mate yeah
01:05:24
you're good mate number one seller
01:05:26
around the world
01:05:28
no he wrote it you see the thing about
01:05:31
my book Phil gford knew me he's one of
01:05:33
my best
01:05:34
friends see the guy Lance I talk about
01:05:37
he's one of my best friends sitting here
01:05:39
now good Lance Phil's a different
01:05:42
guy we don't see each other a lot but
01:05:44
we're there if we need each other and we
01:05:46
see we seeare secrets you know yeah and
01:05:50
he wrote it so he kept he knew me so he
01:05:53
he put that in words yeah he wrote a
01:05:55
good job yeah yeah there's there's a a
01:05:57
part in that book where you um you talk
01:05:59
about business being really tough in the
01:06:01
'90s and there was like a time there
01:06:03
where you were just working non-stop
01:06:04
just trying to keep your head above
01:06:06
water and uh you you you thought about
01:06:09
suicide do you remember that p no I
01:06:11
can't remember that P yeah I was going
01:06:13
to eat one of those vegetarian
01:06:17
sausages how did he die now like I said
01:06:21
to you at the start my memory is not as
01:06:23
good as it used to be some things I
01:06:26
remember clearly you know other things I
01:06:31
remember the day I met
01:06:32
Lance I was doing a there was a phone
01:06:35
box at the beach at o Tangy one of those
01:06:37
steel boxes yeah yeah and uh I was doing
01:06:40
a phone out to Alis Wy he was driving
01:06:43
the local bus and he was parked right
01:06:45
outside and I uh done my thing with
01:06:49
Alice Wy and then walked out and he said
01:06:52
you're not the Mad Butcher I said yeah
01:06:54
next thing he's in my place having a cup
01:06:56
of them we've been friends ever since
01:06:57
how long ago was that uh maybe 55 years
01:06:59
ago yeah are you joking yeah really yeah
01:07:03
how old are you Lance 71 71 [ __ ] he
01:07:05
looks good for 71 doesn't he look he's
01:07:08
got a cool p pumers on some some like
01:07:11
like kids jeans from howenstein yeah
01:07:14
look at 71 he he stole those
01:07:18
shoes does does um does that make you
01:07:22
jealous like you know you were in your
01:07:24
late 70s you fell over just before and
01:07:26
you got Lance looking like look at looks
01:07:27
like a skater no I'm very very grateful
01:07:30
to have him as a friend very grateful
01:07:33
yeah does been through some tough times
01:07:35
together yeah and we've been there for
01:07:37
each other you know that's uh yeah and
01:07:42
yeah my dog's sitting on the sofa next
01:07:44
to him at the moment resting his head on
01:07:45
Lance's thigh yeah that dog's a good
01:07:47
judge of character more like a cat that
01:07:50
dog yeah not a lot of meat on him yeah
01:07:53
oh
01:07:54
um does it get harder when you I mean
01:07:57
this this is the perk of getting older I
01:07:58
guess you see you see people drop off
01:08:00
around you and you must you mentioned
01:08:03
before like you're the youngest of seven
01:08:04
and everyone in your family's died I
01:08:07
mean does does that get
01:08:08
easier dealing dealing with grief and
01:08:11
dealing with death and seeing people
01:08:13
drop off no it's just it's just life you
01:08:15
just got to go you got to ride the wave
01:08:18
you know and be you got to be thankful
01:08:20
for every day you look at Daniel
01:08:21
Anderson goes body surfing and now is a
01:08:24
wheelchairing you
01:08:26
know you know life life can be great and
01:08:29
life can be cruel mate you know and you
01:08:31
just got to move along and get along
01:08:33
with it you
01:08:35
know yeah how how were you through the
01:08:38
lockdown period uh I wonder like I
01:08:41
didn't mind the lockdown because the
01:08:42
choice the choice of losing your memory
01:08:45
you can't bloody
01:08:46
remember no because like lockdown was
01:08:49
fine for me because I'm I'm I'm
01:08:51
reasonably introverted I guess so I
01:08:53
don't mind staying at home but you're
01:08:54
such a social social person did did did
01:08:56
you find that period tough I truly can't
01:08:59
remember really oh truly that's the joys
01:09:01
of lost see here again I said before you
01:09:04
turn negatives into positive yeah the
01:09:07
negativ lose your memory the positive I
01:09:09
can't remember those bad days yeah you
01:09:11
know there are some things I remember
01:09:12
but some things I don't like meeting
01:09:14
Lance clear as a day but other things
01:09:18
like you know also there stories that
01:09:20
you've told in the in the past hour or
01:09:21
so with me like your recall in terms of
01:09:23
names and stuff it's
01:09:25
incredible I think it's really good
01:09:29
you're sucking up to me now mate no no
01:09:31
no I'm being genuine about it like you
01:09:33
talk about someone you met at a bloody
01:09:35
League game 50 years ago you remember
01:09:37
their first and last name oh you
01:09:39
remember special people there's been
01:09:41
some really special people you
01:09:45
know old guy Barry ins as a very good
01:09:48
friend of mine Derek is another good
01:09:50
mate you know Barry's endource pastor
01:09:53
away unfortunately dereck's a good guy I
01:09:56
got to ring him I keep saying to myself
01:09:58
I got to ring him then I bloody
01:10:00
[Music]
01:10:01
forget what I do I get people to text me
01:10:04
now cuz I go through my text every day
01:10:05
yeah yeah you did that to me the other
01:10:07
day when you agreed to come on the
01:10:08
podcast you said text me to remind you
01:10:10
yeah which which which I did I didn't
01:10:11
mind um yeah is there ways around the
01:10:13
memory loss like do you just write more
01:10:15
notes for yourself or no just get people
01:10:17
to text me yeah okay I get people to
01:10:19
text me they say well I just do as I'm
01:10:21
telling you you know and are you still
01:10:24
dyslexic or did you yeah it's worse now
01:10:26
is it yeah it's worse so you you you
01:10:28
never did any sort of like treatment or
01:10:30
any sort of special tuition or education
01:10:32
to you've done all right haven't you
01:10:35
youve done okay how how do you how do
01:10:37
you do your your Facebook posts you're a
01:10:39
regular poster on Facebook just write
01:10:41
them know type them up right yeah but
01:10:44
there's nothing wrong with your with
01:10:45
your spelling or your writing well spell
01:10:48
check comes in that makes me look a
01:10:50
Dicky at times auto correct day it's
01:10:53
terrible that's but I need that no I get
01:10:57
by you know look
01:10:59
I I don't have a lot of
01:11:02
regrets I've done
01:11:04
some great things done some good things
01:11:08
met some beautiful people and uh I think
01:11:12
I've still got a few years in me
01:11:13
hopefully you know yeah as long as they
01:11:15
quality ain't as long as that quality is
01:11:17
oh yeah no no I said before you wouldn't
01:11:19
want to be you know yeah yeah yeah um
01:11:25
Yeah well yeah yeah I mean you you you
01:11:29
shouldn't have too many regrets like you
01:11:31
know um and I suppose part of the joy of
01:11:34
doing a podcast like this is um you know
01:11:36
you get to give someone the flowers
01:11:37
while they're still here to to receive
01:11:39
them it's not you know often people
01:11:40
don't know what a good bugger they wear
01:11:42
until they they die and then it's the uy
01:11:44
situation but [ __ ] man you've done so
01:11:46
much for so many people I
01:11:48
think the main thing is you know
01:11:52
remember the greatest give give your
01:11:54
time and I say to people quite often in
01:11:57
my Facebook why don't you ring someone
01:11:59
today and make their day CU a phone call
01:12:01
I told you before about the lady I run
01:12:03
you know yeah just maybe ring them you
01:12:06
know and some days I'll ring four or
01:12:08
five people go through my phone just
01:12:10
ring people because I forget I ring them
01:12:12
you know just for a chat or just to say
01:12:15
hello how are you you know what I mean I
01:12:17
can be short and sharp you know what I
01:12:19
mean sometimes um and live a good life
01:12:23
you know and treat people how you want
01:12:24
to be treated yourself it's pretty
01:12:26
simple you know if you jerk if you jerk
01:12:29
people off or try to rip people off it's
01:12:32
going to come back and AR you you know
01:12:34
and I well you got to look yourself in
01:12:35
the Maru anyway don't you if you do that
01:12:36
I do cuz I'm a good-looking
01:12:39
guy oh you need to get those eyes
01:12:41
checked I reckon no no I've got very
01:12:44
good Vision to be fair so you're you're
01:12:47
not you're not scared of
01:12:49
death no because you can't yeah you know
01:12:54
you you you don't look forward to it but
01:12:56
you know you just hope you go and you
01:12:58
don't end up being like a vegetable you
01:13:01
know what I mean yeah yeah yeah that's
01:13:03
my that's the thing that does scare me
01:13:05
you know like our friend now you don't
01:13:08
know what's going on you
01:13:10
know it's a terrible thought let keep it
01:13:13
positive no negativity I told you yeah
01:13:18
and and when you when when you do
01:13:20
eventually die and hopefully it's not
01:13:21
for a long time yet how how how do you
01:13:22
want to be remember I couldn't give a
01:13:24
[ __ ] cuz I was
01:13:27
here yeah so you're not worried about
01:13:29
like Legacy or anything
01:13:31
like I've done what I I've done what I
01:13:34
want to do because I wanted to do it not
01:13:36
for
01:13:37
recognition I don't I don't go out
01:13:41
singing what I do to people a lot of
01:13:43
people wouldn't know what I do you know
01:13:46
yeah i' agree with that but there must
01:13:48
be thousands of new zealanders that have
01:13:49
your number like you you've given your
01:13:51
number out to so many people you look
01:13:53
American people I I I took out the other
01:13:57
day I didn't post it to get accolades I
01:14:00
posted it to share the love to show
01:14:02
other people what they can do you know
01:14:05
you don't have to give people a million
01:14:07
dollars but it was just an endorsement
01:14:10
of my
01:14:12
saying your time giving time is your
01:14:15
most valuable and they really enjoyed it
01:14:18
you know uh I I'm hoping we'll stay in
01:14:22
touch you know
01:14:24
uh I've contacted her on I think she's
01:14:26
on Instagram yeah yeah and uh like I
01:14:30
learned something I I didn't like to ask
01:14:31
them if they had children because they
01:14:32
said they' been married for x amount of
01:14:34
years and so I was going to say how many
01:14:37
kids you got well better not because
01:14:38
they moments I don't know you know
01:14:40
anyhow they've got four lovely girls I
01:14:42
saw a photo on her Instagram page you
01:14:44
know yeah he just do what you want to do
01:14:47
and get out there to M my oh can't say
01:14:51
that one media one go go one
01:14:55
media it's always going to be bloody
01:14:56
Mount smart isn't it no you got to be
01:14:59
loyal to the sponsors you know yeah yeah
01:15:01
that's true you got to you know I mean
01:15:04
I've been very loyal to one New Zealand
01:15:08
uh know that's New Zealand voone for
01:15:11
voone and I I still you know voter phone
01:15:14
comes up in my head all the time yeah
01:15:16
but you can't as I said to Jason that
01:15:19
runs voter Jason Paris yeah yeah I said
01:15:21
to him mate you can't
01:15:23
I've been saying it for 10 years or
01:15:25
whatever you know it's it's going to
01:15:27
slip out now again so just fight the
01:15:29
bullet well it takes it takes time I
01:15:31
like I'm I'm um I'm old enough to
01:15:33
remember when uh it was Bell South it
01:15:34
was Bell South and then they switched to
01:15:36
vone I can't remember that yeah it was B
01:15:40
South and then V and now it's one I
01:15:41
think you're lying to me I think you're
01:15:42
making enough to make me feel awful yes
01:15:45
yeah well I could lie to you you'll
01:15:47
forget about it in half an hour anyway
01:15:49
you can be quite nasty
01:15:52
mate is he Lance is he being serious is
01:15:55
he trolling
01:15:56
me threw his empty Coke bottle at me
01:15:59
yeah that's right Mad Butcher is a
01:16:01
litter
01:16:02
buug doesn't recycle either just put
01:16:04
this in the bin with all the other
01:16:05
rubbish I do recycle I've got a big
01:16:08
recycle B on my yardland yeah yes oh
01:16:12
well um yeah any any final words
01:16:15
anything you want to say to end with I
01:16:16
just wish you're well I hope the podcast
01:16:18
goes well you're a nice young guy you've
01:16:20
always been full of life you're very
01:16:22
blessed in a way you're you've always
01:16:25
got a bubbly personality and plenty of
01:16:27
you know go you and uh that's a
01:16:31
blessing I heard there was an old black
01:16:33
speaking one day and he said it's nice
01:16:35
to have the May butcher in the room he's
01:16:36
blessed and a guy from the audience said
01:16:40
he's an idiot but in a nice way not in a
01:16:42
rude way and he said he can talk to
01:16:46
anyone he said he's blessed he can talk
01:16:48
to anyone and he said I can't do that
01:16:51
and I thought about that that night and
01:16:53
and I thought yeah I suppose I am in a
01:16:54
way cuz I can because not everyone can
01:16:57
you know yeah that's that's true but but
01:16:59
you you have an ability to with um
01:17:01
authenticity as well like you don't
01:17:02
change you don't you don't change
01:17:04
depending on who you you're speaking to
01:17:06
I am I am what I am yeah what you see is
01:17:08
what you get in your case you know
01:17:10
you've got this very full-on personality
01:17:14
and you're full of life you you know you
01:17:16
around so that's good mate and just
01:17:18
enjoy it you know and make the most and
01:17:21
my last word to every body let's all
01:17:24
make an effort and share the love out
01:17:25
there and make New Zealand a better
01:17:26
place than it
01:17:28
is I think that's a great place to end
01:17:30
it sir Peter leech the M butcher thanks
01:17:33
so much for your time
01:17:34
today throwing just throwing me a pile
01:17:37
of warrior what is it Warrior posters
01:17:40
Warrior posters oh you didn't even get
01:17:42
them bloody
01:17:44
signed hey you're not that good a friend
01:17:47
mate hey um thank you for your
01:17:50
friendship over the years you are
01:17:51
genuinely one of the one of the greatest
01:17:53
New Zealand is around and I can't thank
01:17:55
you enough for finally coming around and
01:17:57
doing this podcast today
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