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Rick elito welcome to my podcast welcome
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to your spare room yeah well it's a very
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small room as well I had um Rie over
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here uh before I had the camera set up
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and I said welcome to my studio and he
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goes wow it's a very small Studio isn't
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it there you go these not real bricks no
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that's well I ruin the illusion oh [ __ ]
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you know it's wallpaper no it's it's
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coming along good hey thanks so much
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mate you're um you're like a dream
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guest that's that's seeing your name and
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lights isn't it that's good I like that
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yeah well I mean um yeah there's no TV
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person that's ever offered me of work
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so buy a couple of cameras now get your
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own neon sign boom you're in business um
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so how are you how are you today um I'm
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good I um I got back um so I've been
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away
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overseas for about four years three and
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a half four years and then um did the
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World Cup and then came back first of
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November I think so so yeah it's been
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it's been nice being back in New Zealand
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actually I've really enjoyed it yeah we
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we'll get to the um the World Cup uh
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later on and you're involved in that but
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um yeah while I was doing my notes
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yesterday I like oh you you've been um
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at two World Cup
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finals well yeah maybe you're a bad L
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yeah no I've been to the only World Cup
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I haven't been to was the Japanese one
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right um no but I mean in terms of
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official involvement you were 95 95 yeah
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that was my fault and uh must yeah yeah
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it must have been my fault this last one
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as well oh you're 95 that was the food
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poisoning one yeah yeah yeah yeah with
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Susie the waitress okay so um yeah so
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you've been in New York the last four
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years um working with um rugby over
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there um and you moved from New York to
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Tyro and Tyro like the the land mass of
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that place is probably like half of
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Central Park so there is um less people
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live in Tyro than live in my apartment
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Block in New
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York so um yeah it was quite a shock but
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um but I loved it I love being in Tor
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and uh people are amazing and um you
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know if you told an America if you if
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you if you took tyur and designed it and
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said to an American this is where you
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could live they'd think it was Paradise
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so we take that stuff for granted a bit
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and um I mean it is it's like paradise
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it's just it's just an incredible place
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I I went all the way back through your
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Instagram page and you do share a lot
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which is really cool um back to as far
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as it goes back why and it seems like
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Ty's a special place for you always has
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been why is that um oh when my son was
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young um we take him to Tyro and then uh
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you know we we bought a place down there
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and it's just um yeah it is it's it's
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and I I realized a few years ago that
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you know I got a lovely place down there
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and I needed to spend more time down
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there um uh you know what's what what's
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the use of building something beautiful
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and and not and not using it so um yeah
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I love it down there and I um just so
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much it's just the simp of it is what I
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like and um and and the space m um and
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the Sea you know one of the things that
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I struggled with a bit being in New York
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for so long was um you just don't see
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the ocean I mean we could see the the
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the Hudson River but not the same bodies
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floating past and stuff like that but
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it's yeah it's a little bit different
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yeah so you're um we we're recording
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this uh two days before you're going in
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for a knee replacement operation
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so how old are you 61 uh 28 yeah 28 yeah
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yeah um Shez aging it's a barrel of
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laughs isn't it we were cheing about
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this just before like I'm I'm a I'm a
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runner I've got knee issues I have a big
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run and then I'm [ __ ] for a couple of
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days afterwards yeah well i' I've done
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pretty well CU I don't do anything so um
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you know uh I manag to sort of I mean
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considering I injured the knee and what
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was it
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1982 or something and now I'm finally
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getting operated on now so it's
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words in the English language especially
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when you are completely open to where
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you might end up yeah what is next I
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mean you're 61 but um I yeah I feel like
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you've still got I don't I saw a thing
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online yesterday it said at the age of
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60 you've got like um probably at least
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a thousand good weeks
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left I don't know if it's a grim way of
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looking at it or a positive way looking
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at it um I think
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um I just decided to not push it and um
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just chill and see what comes my way you
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know and and um had some really
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interesting conversations so I've been
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back with all sorts of projects and um
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you know some people just want some help
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and uh which is great I love doing that
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and I think
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um I I I I don't know what next um but
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I'm not worried by that I I I know there
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will be in what next um but it's quite
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it's quite nice to just take a bit of
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time and and just work on yourself a bit
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you know and working for someone else so
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I've been enjoying that um I've been
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enjoying uh looking at my laptop and
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finding some of the things that I wrote
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that I never
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finished um whether they're program
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proposals or scripts or whatever um it's
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been really cool to sort of just have
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time to finish them um because you know
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when you're looking at your your
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documents folder or whatever and you see
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all these things and you're like I never
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should have I should have done that I
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didn't finish that you know it's nice to
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just get them sorted you know so I've
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been enjoying that and I've been
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enjoying
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Pizza is there a good pizza place in a
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pizza track in D is awesome yeah oh God
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hey um what it's been it's been um such
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a vast um varied and and successful
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career we we we'll go through all that
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it's like a greatest St but let's go the
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way back so um yeah memories from
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growing up where did you grow up where
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did the sense of humor come from so I
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grew up um in South
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um well ear early days in Green Lane but
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then I um my college was at deel College
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in in M or mangry when I grew up but
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it's obviously different there um oh
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that's with with JK you you guys were
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schoolmates John Kuan I was there first
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and he followed um and yeah and so went
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to DL College which um uh I think my
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time there best described as high
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spirited um but I got through it and uh
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yeah I met JK um
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uh in the first of team we're in the
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first of team together uh I was the
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number eight and he was the halfback and
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he just got bigger and bigger as the
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season got on um and then uh and then
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yeah and I love I love my time I love I
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love South Oakland it's so vibrant and
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what I really like about it now is um
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you know obviously it was always so when
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I moved there it's a big freezing worker
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sort of population and lots of people
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work the freezing Works Taho freezing
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Works um you know South down and stuff
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like like that and then um and then the
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Polynesian population really sort of um
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um really took off and what I like now
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is the
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pride in the Polynesian Heritage and
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culture that I see out there which
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probably wasn't there when I grew up so
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much um I love that I think it's awesome
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and um you know even my school you know
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as I got through the later years was
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getting stronger and stronger Polynesia
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now it's probably 99% poan and it's just
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such a vibrant uh amazing Community it's
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brilliant and you went to I read this I
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don't know if it's true or not you went
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to primary school with JK John Key oh
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well I'm not sure we we had a chat about
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it so he I went to Cornell park primary
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and apparently so did he and we worked
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out that we're about the same age and he
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but he I think we crossed over like six
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months and when you're five you don't
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tend to remember people but um yeah
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unless it's like your best friend that
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you sort of grew up with yeah yeah so um
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I don't remember him having a big impact
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at the time yeah and what about um yeah
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what about your sense of humor because
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you've got this sort of um Relentless
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self-deprecation does that does that
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come from your mom your dad grandparents
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what that dad's Italian so Chef right
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Chef yeah um so uh his his his he was a
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very funny man but his sense of humor
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was um uh different and um and Mom
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yeah good kiwi and uh you know again
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just a normal family just fantastic
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family but I think
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um I was just lucky I think growing up
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you know I mean probably the biggest
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influence for me was watching John Clark
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Fred deck I just used to love him
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watching him and listening to him on the
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radio and buying his records and stuff
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like that um what I loved about it
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was uh you know incredibly talented but
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but never the self-deprecating thing I
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liked because it was he never made out
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that he was the smartest guy in the room
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um but he was but he didn't need to tell
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everyone and um yeah he was he was a
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massive influence on me I everyone of my
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generation you know he was he was it
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though we had one comedian and it was
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him and he was everywhere yeah must been
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nice for you um going full circle when
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you were in Sports Cafe and you got to
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do a version of um we don't know how
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lucky we are what a I think um that was
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probably the of all the things I've done
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that's probably one of the things I'm
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most proud of is that uh I one day I I
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must be watching the Olympics or
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something something was annoying me
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about the um national anthem was just a
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bit boring you know and I was like we
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need a new national anthem it should be
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you know we don't know how lucky you are
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we are and I listened to the record and
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it wasn't quite right wasn't as I
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imagined it it was
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a like a p over a castrum and so so I
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rang John Clark I'd never met him before
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in my life I had you know he had no idea
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who it was and Ice see look mate on um
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RL so I do a TV show in New Zealand
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you've never heard of it um but I'd love
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to bring we don't know how lucky we are
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to Life as a national anthem and he's
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like I like the idea I don't know who
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you are send me a copy of your show and
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if I like it I'll ring you back so what
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episode do you see Jes lot of f goes
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into that one all right I think I just
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seen the one from the previous week and
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um and he rang me back which was cool
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and
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so um we'd asked Neil fin if he'd help
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and Edie Rea if they'd work with graham
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Hill on the music which they did and
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then I sort of said to John I said mate
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I need you to write a new verse at the
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beginning and at the end to make it a
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bit more of an Anthem and he's like cool
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I'll give you a call so he gave me a
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call about a week later here they are
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and I was like they're not quite right
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and I remember thinking to myself how am
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I going to tell John Clark that it's not
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quite what I'm looking for cuz and and
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he was so me I said look mate we just
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need to tweak this cuz we're trying to
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do an Anthem and anthems are more like
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this and and he's like get it straight
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away you're right
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bang next day you know came back and
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gave us the finished version and
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um and then and then I just sat back and
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let them go you know and uh I mean yeah
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he is was one of the things I was doing
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over this over the Christmas break as I
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was watching John Clark stuff on um on
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YouTube watching the old uh
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documentaries on him when he passed away
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um it just a absolute
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genius like like clever you know um and
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I remember he saying to
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me you do know the song's
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ironic I know I know that's what makes
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it funny but it's great it is great
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though makes you I don't know it gives
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me goosebumps hearing that song it's
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bloody great makes you makes you be a
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kiwi so um yes so why journalism so when
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you left school you became like a like a
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journalist yeah how did I applied for
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everything you're obviously quite a good
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40 player right like you're in the no I
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was good enough but I um I what I did
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was I applied for everything applied
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Teachers College
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um uh I I I hadn't spend a lot of time
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at school in my last year um so um
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I and I played for journalism
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school not really knowing what it was
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and I got in and I was like sweet I'll
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go to that then because I knew it was
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really hard to get into but in those
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days it was a six-month course and um
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you had
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um I think 400 applicant for 30 places
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something like that and I knew it was
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hard to get in so I thought if I got in
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then I need to go and um and I'll work
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out what journalism is when I get
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there so um yeah and and that's why I
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showed up um and I got in trouble my
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first week I um trying to remember what
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I did I got um I I threw something at a
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cricket game and then up being locked up
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and um locked up locked up locked up
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yeah yeah yeah oh like a like a central
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districts game or something you threw
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was it was New Zealand India test match
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and um [ __ ] I knocked the hat off the
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policemen they used to have those
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the big pointy on and um I uh yeah kids
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do not do that at home that's terrible
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behavior and I um so the next week I had
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to go to court and and I decided I was
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going to defend myself and I stood up in
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the dock and locked into the gallery and
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there's my um class doing court
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reporting that day and I'd called him
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sick so it wasn't a great start um and
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then I did my I did my um remember the
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asked the play and I went not guilty and
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the police prosecutor laughed it's like
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you're on a Dem have we take him out the
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back and show them the summary of facts
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and I went oh that's not good is it that
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doesn't look
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good I get the electric chair on these
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summary of facts so um so the the
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detective inspector who caught me said
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look we I said I can't I can't have a
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conviction I need to I'm going to be a
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journalist I'm going to be a sports
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journalist and I'm like okay well let's
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let's write a spe speech you know and
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let's apply for um discharge without uh
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conviction under section 42 of the
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Justice Criminal Justice act so he wrote
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this beautiful speech and so I went back
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in the dock and I just gave this
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beautiful piece of arry and the judge
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said I'm a big Cricket fan and that's
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because of people like you you spoil the
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game for people like me bang gave me the
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the maximum fine gave me everything and
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I looked at the I looked at the
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policeman I was like he's like oh [ __ ]
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we tried you know so so wasn't a great
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start to my journalism career um it
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didn't hold you back though ultimately
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no but I
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um I didn't um I didn't get a
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certificate I got a blank piece of
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cardboard and um just to make me feel
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better and yeah and then I got in the
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radio and and I
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think and I think a lot of kids probably
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go through this I think I'd just been at
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school too long and um I
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knew I mean thank God I didn't go to
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university um I knew that um that once I
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go the workforce you know that' be sweet
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and so I I end up at Radio Pacific which
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back then was out in Monaco and um oh
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yeah with Derek L yeah Derek L Gordon
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dren um and uh Bren impy funnily enough
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was the sports announcer um so yeah
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that's where I started was he was he was
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a lawyer when I first got into radio he
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in 199 he was before that he was a
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lawyer but he used to do the Saturday
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Sports um show on radio Pacific so
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that's when I met them yeah well and
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then you ended up in um toong at one
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yeah was that was that a was that a priv
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back then it was like either government
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owned like the rnz stations or privately
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owned was that a privately owned one
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yeah so so I always worked for the
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private stations so there was a real
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rivalry between Radio New Zealand and
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the private stations and so I you know
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you you'd move around because that was
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how you got up the journalism letter you
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know cuz we used to have grades you know
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so J1 J2 j3 every time you moved you got
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up a grade so I went Pacific fakat aan
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on Christ Church Wendy and Wellington
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and I was at haki and ockland with um
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Kevin black and John HBY and Phil giord
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and all those guys so oh my God yeah it
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was great times that was an incredible
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station incredible show too yeah yeah so
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it was um and I loved I loved radio I
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love I love working on private radio
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every every radio station had its own
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news team about six seven people and and
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it was just just a golden age was
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brilliant and some incredible
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broadcasters amazing and some some
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incredible characters too like when I
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started in 1990 like the um the guy that
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was my program director vaugh like I
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remember McDonald's had a like a sale
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and it was like 99 cent hamburgers so he
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went down there with like a Food Town
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bag bought 50 of them and put them in
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his freezer just characters like that
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yeah yeah no no rules and then and then
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so then you end up on on uh on TV right
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as so I went to London I went to um um I
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went to because I I couldn't afford to
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go to Europe so um I rang up Andy hayen
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and said can you get me a contract um
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and he's like who's this and um I said
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I'm I'm I'm reck and so he said look I I
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I'll I'll Jack you up a club in Italy
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but you'll have to be on trial go over
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there and and and if if they like you
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they'll sign you you know and they'll
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sort you out so cuz rby was an amate
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game back then and um so went over
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um played the game they saw me and then
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they got me a house in the car you know
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and and so I was there for a little
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while and then at the end of that I went
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over to London and did a couple of years
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working in radio there and I remember
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when I
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was the the Aussie stations that we were
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I was a foreign correspondent for rang
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rang my boss and they said mate we can't
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have that um kind have that WG name uh
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from
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London so he's going to have to change
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his bloody
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name like so the boss came in he said
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sorry you can't be Rick Cito anymore so
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I was Richard Holmes Richard Holmes
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London and um and I was on the radio
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stations here as Richard Holmes London
00:20:12
my mom rang the radio stations going
00:20:13
that's not Richard holes that's my son I
00:20:15
know I know that voice anyway but yeah
00:20:17
so I was Richard Holmes and so how did
00:20:19
you end up on TV because when you were
00:20:20
on TV news here was was there only TV
00:20:23
One news or was there TV3 or was this
00:20:25
pre TV pre TV3 so I came back from
00:20:28
London
00:20:29
with Kathy we both came back and back
00:20:32
then if you worked in London everyone
00:20:34
thought that was incredible so so I went
00:20:36
went away there's a pain in the ass no
00:20:39
one wanted and came back from London and
00:20:40
everyone was like oh do you want a job
00:20:42
and um so I was hired to fill in for
00:20:46
Jane Dent uh and the sports team and and
00:20:49
Kathy came and she worked in The
00:20:51
Newsroom as a health reporter so we both
00:20:53
hired um because we came back from
00:20:55
London oh so yes so Kathy Campbell um
00:20:58
your your wife we can talk about her
00:20:59
later on if you want but um yes so you
00:21:01
met in journalism school and you were
00:21:03
you were met radio we met at Radio I we
00:21:06
we in radio together and then you
00:21:08
partnered up straight away yeah and she
00:21:09
wanted to go she was going to Europe and
00:21:11
I wanted to follow her and I couldn't
00:21:12
afford it so that's why we played rugby
00:21:14
right but the um like the when you were
00:21:17
on like TV sports news it was like a
00:21:19
golden age for for news I mean you look
00:21:21
at some of the names like hawksby long
00:21:23
Sherry Bradley Bailey Dey like um did
00:21:28
you
00:21:29
like I mean how so I had to read the um
00:21:31
I started as a reporter and um I was the
00:21:36
first first time the news um team had
00:21:40
assigned a reporter to the or blacks
00:21:42
because before that before I came along
00:21:44
they were was always like gram Thorn or
00:21:46
whatever they'd be away on tour and
00:21:48
they'd like Tru a microphone but the 87
00:21:51
World Cup was coming and they were like
00:21:52
you know we need someone to travel with
00:21:54
the All Blacks and so that was me which
00:21:55
was pretty cool you know and um and then
00:21:59
one day I'd been doing some practice
00:22:01
news reading with Richard Long and he
00:22:03
just and this would never happen now
00:22:05
he's like rang me up and he said what
00:22:07
are you doing it was a Sunday afternoon
00:22:09
I said nothing he said come on you're
00:22:10
going to read the news tonight didn't
00:22:12
didn't tell anyone you know so so I ran
00:22:16
I think I was with Tom Bradley my first
00:22:17
night and um so I read the news the
00:22:21
sports news and then I did it again the
00:22:24
week after with Angela Dey and I got
00:22:28
this review so I got a call on like must
00:22:31
been the Monday Tuesday Morning from
00:22:32
Richard Long going don't read The Herald
00:22:35
so what do you mean don't read it come
00:22:38
to work I'll talk to you so first thing
00:22:40
I did was go to the gates of course
00:22:42
steal someone else's heral take it back
00:22:44
and my review was um and I remember it's
00:22:47
burned in my memory it was like who is
00:22:50
this guy R Rick Salito has a face like a
00:22:53
read rubber tire um it's not so much
00:22:58
when he should get off screen it's how
00:23:00
we ever got there in the first place is
00:23:01
the question I was like that's Savage
00:23:03
that's harsh
00:23:05
hey and I I was angry for about I know
00:23:09
30 seconds and then I got the giggles I
00:23:11
thought like that like that is really
00:23:14
funny the way that he's really attacked
00:23:16
me and um but I carried on I didn't get
00:23:19
any better my my problem as a news
00:23:21
reader is I got easily distracted cuz
00:23:23
you know you're reading audio q and um
00:23:26
so all the work's been done and and it I
00:23:29
don't know it's 5 minutes work 7 Minutes
00:23:31
work and I'd be halfway through the AUD
00:23:33
cure and my mind would start going and I
00:23:35
was like oh yeah and I remember one time
00:23:39
cuz I would on the weekends I would be
00:23:41
the sports sub so I'd decide what went
00:23:43
in the news and read it and and put it
00:23:47
together and there was a story there was
00:23:50
a brief period where the I think it was
00:23:52
the Sunday news turned into this really
00:23:54
weird table newspaper and they did a
00:23:56
story about um someone had spotted
00:24:00
aliens on the r golf
00:24:03
course so I had a um Godzilla on my desk
00:24:08
so I got sent someone down a cameraman
00:24:10
and I said just go and put this Godzilla
00:24:12
in various parts around the golf course
00:24:13
and just film it and then you know talk
00:24:16
to the people about um about the aliens
00:24:19
what sort of size are we talking I don't
00:24:20
know it would be yeah I know 40 cm like
00:24:23
a like a plash toy yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:24:25
yeah and they put in the tree and stuff
00:24:27
so they interiew someone and they'd put
00:24:29
in the tree behind them like no I've
00:24:31
never seen any aliens down here it was
00:24:32
sort of like a running gag um which you
00:24:36
didn't do in the news back then it's
00:24:39
very what you're explaining is very
00:24:40
Crowd Goes Wild I know but I I um so
00:24:43
when it came back we paid the item and
00:24:46
when it came back to Tom Bradley and I
00:24:49
I'd put this Godzilla thing between us
00:24:51
on on the desk and said to him something
00:24:55
like something like you know imagine
00:24:57
people thinking they seeing aliens they
00:24:59
must be going nuts and then you know now
00:25:01
let's have a look at the weather and I
00:25:03
got called into the boss's office oh my
00:25:06
god did I get like who do you think you
00:25:08
are this is not a comedy show you know
00:25:10
blah blah blah I was like oh man I just
00:25:13
got ripped apart so um at the end of
00:25:17
that year must been ' 89 I was away on
00:25:20
tour um um covering the All Blacks and
00:25:24
there was a story in the paper that I'd
00:25:26
been dumped and replaced by they they
00:25:29
they got rid of me and Richard Beck
00:25:31
actually and replaced us with um with
00:25:34
Jeremy Cony and uh Phil G so um oh and
00:25:38
it was it was true you had been yeah you
00:25:40
found out you were dumped by reading it
00:25:41
in the paper yeah that's outrageous that
00:25:43
was pretty bad actually there's a lot of
00:25:45
out there's a lot of outrageous stuff in
00:25:46
that story like that review as well like
00:25:49
I was pretty bad though to be fair I
00:25:51
know I found a clip on YouTube of you
00:25:53
and your early days it was fine wasn't
00:25:55
it no it was I yeah I would just go off
00:26:00
on tangents and um like it was sort of
00:26:03
almost like the prototype for Sports
00:26:04
Cafe but you know that's not the six o00
00:26:07
news I I got into trouble a lot for um
00:26:10
for not taking it seriously do do you
00:26:12
think you might have ADHD and it was
00:26:14
just never diagnosed when or never even
00:26:16
a thing when you were Aid no I don't I
00:26:17
don't have it's adht it's not so much
00:26:19
it's more that
00:26:21
um some strange stuff going on in this
00:26:24
head and um once I start oh that's
00:26:27
really interesting I want like oh my God
00:26:29
that's when when trouble sounds like
00:26:30
ADHD yeah um that that's a great story
00:26:34
about the Godzilla on the disc like
00:26:36
that's um there's a lot of people that
00:26:37
would will be listening to this or
00:26:38
watching I need to get that I need to um
00:26:40
would it be would it be an existence
00:26:42
must do they must have kept um the
00:26:44
bulletins um it's it's [ __ ]
00:26:46
groundbreaking because you're back then
00:26:47
as as you said like people you didn't
00:26:49
[ __ ] with the news half an hour night
00:26:51
and it was very serious like there was
00:26:52
no internet then so this was that and
00:26:54
the next morning's newspaper was the
00:26:56
ear just before TV3 came on so I think
00:27:00
TV3 came on in the end of '89 from
00:27:02
memory something like that um and I got
00:27:06
into trouble then too cuz I um um I'm
00:27:09
seeing a pattern the um Matthew
00:27:13
Ridge 990 so Matthew Ridge changed codes
00:27:16
went to rugby lead and he I knew he was
00:27:18
doing it because I was going to do a
00:27:19
doco on him and
00:27:22
um and at that stage TV3 didn't have any
00:27:25
rugby rights and they weren't actually
00:27:26
allowed into Eden Park
00:27:28
so um you know no one quite knew how the
00:27:31
rights thing worked back then and
00:27:34
so they came in to do the press
00:27:38
conference that Matthew was holding and
00:27:40
um I remember saying remember saying
00:27:43
that Matthew don't say anything to them
00:27:44
you know as they as you go past because
00:27:46
I knew they weren't going to be allowed
00:27:47
in and um they couldn't get into the
00:27:50
press conference someone from Oakland
00:27:51
rugby shut the door on them and so they
00:27:54
the cameraman kicked the door and that
00:27:56
was front page of the herald you you
00:27:58
know um Network battle you know like so
00:28:02
um I was in trouble again and then you
00:28:04
ended up being um the All Black's first
00:28:07
ever Medias officer um this seems like
00:28:11
quite a common thing now I'm not sure
00:28:12
who's doing it now but it was Joe lock
00:28:13
for like 15 years or something so
00:28:15
there's very few people that have that
00:28:16
have had it so what was your so this was
00:28:19
1992 by the way how did you get the job
00:28:21
because Lori Ms was the coach he hated
00:28:22
your guts he didn't like me um yeah why
00:28:24
what' you do to him uh I was from
00:28:27
Oakland that didn't help but um I uh I
00:28:30
did a
00:28:31
story where I took an old grab of his
00:28:35
and used it out of context and I
00:28:37
shouldn't have done it and and he was
00:28:39
right to be angry with me um like if you
00:28:42
did that now the All Blacks would
00:28:43
Blacklist you wouldn't oh yeah he just
00:28:45
didn't talk to me for about 5 years and
00:28:47
then at the end of so the 91 World Cup
00:28:51
um the Aussies had a journo with them a
00:28:54
GU called Greg Campbell and I thought sh
00:28:56
that's a great idea so I to New Zealand
00:28:58
rby I wrote them a couple of pages on it
00:29:01
and I said you should get it immediately
00:29:02
as an officer you know and um because
00:29:06
you know to deal with the media and
00:29:07
stuff and they were like n no we're
00:29:09
sweet and then halfway through that tour
00:29:11
of ' 92 um uh they were getting into a
00:29:15
bit of media strife and I get a call on
00:29:18
my phone at must been like 1:00 in the
00:29:20
morning I was in a bar and they like can
00:29:23
you come to the manager's
00:29:25
room what have I done like I the night's
00:29:28
not over yet and um so I went into the
00:29:31
room and Neil gry was the manager and
00:29:33
and and George B was the um CEO and
00:29:36
they're like we've decided that we need
00:29:38
to take you up on that offer immediately
00:29:40
as an officer you start
00:29:42
tomorrow um wow and I said so what do I
00:29:45
do and I said well you've got to work
00:29:46
that out cuz we've never had one didn't
00:29:49
exist and so the next morning I remember
00:29:52
I got on the I said to fitsy was the
00:29:54
captain I said what do I do like they're
00:29:57
off practice do I just meet you at
00:29:59
practice or what do I do he said on the
00:30:00
bus and I said I can't go on the bus you
00:30:02
know and he's like I'm the captain get
00:30:04
on the bus sit next to me so I got on
00:30:07
the bus sat next to him and as I walk
00:30:09
past Lori Lori said what's that prick
00:30:10
doing on the bus no one had told
00:30:13
Lori oh he had no involvement in at all
00:30:17
oh my God no so so he wasn't happy um
00:30:21
but yeah I mean we had some Laura and I
00:30:23
had some interesting conversations for a
00:30:25
while but uh you know eventually I got
00:30:27
some really good advice from JK and
00:30:29
Fitzy they said you know in the old
00:30:31
black environment you're going to get
00:30:32
challenged all the time and and Lor's
00:30:34
going to challenge you you know uh cuz
00:30:36
if what you've got to do is just keep
00:30:38
doing a great job day after day and
00:30:39
he'll learn to respect you he doesn't
00:30:40
have to like you but he'll learn to
00:30:41
respect you and then accept you and that
00:30:44
was that was sort of my mentor is just
00:30:46
keep have a thick skin and uh and just
00:30:49
keep um turning up each each day and you
00:30:52
know it was amazing time um you know I
00:30:54
did it from 92 to the end of the 95
00:30:57
World Cup
00:30:58
um which we lost um and you know got to
00:31:02
see some amazing stuff I was a real
00:31:06
privilege and an honor to do that job
00:31:07
and you did some um yeah we'll talk
00:31:10
about the Jonah stuff in a second CU you
00:31:11
were you were mediately as and when um
00:31:14
Jonah the Jonah fever sort of hit
00:31:16
there's actually a great great old photo
00:31:17
on your Instagram page of um him like
00:31:19
walking off the field and you just sort
00:31:20
of over his shoulder and he's swarm by
00:31:22
people um but yeah when uh when you said
00:31:26
you you when we locked on this podcast I
00:31:28
bumped into Dame Julie Christy and I
00:31:29
said re coming over you know anything I
00:31:32
should say and she said she said I I
00:31:33
can't really offer you anything to say
00:31:35
but um the stuff that he did with like
00:31:37
The Good The Bad and The rugby was just
00:31:39
groundbreaking and it sort of even
00:31:41
though it doesn't have a direct link it
00:31:43
sort of set the way for what we see now
00:31:44
with like drive to survive and other
00:31:46
Sport and she she was saying that the um
00:31:48
she the All Blacks have gone back like
00:31:50
receded a long way in terms of openness
00:31:52
and stuff but that was um yeah that was
00:31:54
incredible you look back now you must be
00:31:55
immensely proud of that first of all
00:31:57
that's really nice I mean we both sort
00:31:58
of started out at the same time and um
00:32:01
you know I mean the amount of times we
00:32:03
cross paths was incredible um and uh
00:32:07
yeah I really appreciate that Jolie so
00:32:09
um yeah I mean it was sort of most of
00:32:12
the things that I've done come from JK
00:32:15
telling me that you know there's a
00:32:16
problem we need to fix it and um I'd
00:32:20
given him some offcuts of the 88 toour
00:32:22
it for his own private stuff and um he's
00:32:25
like oh we should do a a video you know
00:32:28
and at that stage there wasn't a a VHS
00:32:32
market like there was there was Allison
00:32:35
house cooking show and Jeff Thomas'
00:32:39
Snapper secrets were the only two that
00:32:40
were for sale and um so yeah so we I
00:32:45
didn't really know what I was doing I
00:32:47
just thought I was I was there as a news
00:32:49
reporter and I was just like well if I
00:32:51
just film a bit
00:32:52
extra and then when I come back I'll cut
00:32:55
it together into a into a documentary
00:32:57
and put it on the VHS um the players
00:33:00
were amazing they just really embraced
00:33:02
it and I'd come down in the morning and
00:33:06
I'd go where's the crew and I say oh the
00:33:07
boys have gone out to play golf taking
00:33:08
the crew with them or you know the boys
00:33:10
have gone here they're taking the crew
00:33:11
so so they really bought into it and
00:33:14
it's it's very unpretentious say the
00:33:15
footage yeah and I think a lot of the um
00:33:19
motivation was you know for someone that
00:33:22
had come into the environment from the
00:33:24
outside like
00:33:25
myself to realize that they were just
00:33:28
normal people it's like a club team you
00:33:30
know just the same personalities and
00:33:31
stuff like that they're just really good
00:33:33
at
00:33:34
rugby and uh and yeah it was uh I came
00:33:39
back at the end of the tour and I just
00:33:41
cut it in my spare time uh with an nitor
00:33:44
over the Christmas break and then we put
00:33:46
it out and I remember at that stage the
00:33:49
biggest selling book was um colum's um
00:33:53
biography which had done 55,000 copies
00:33:56
and we were well over 100,000 you know
00:33:57
you know so um for the video yeah the
00:33:59
video went nuts and and people had to
00:34:02
buy it out of garages and ws and all
00:34:04
that sort of stuff cuz there were no
00:34:06
there was no shop selling videos you
00:34:08
know um but now you know Actually I
00:34:13
don't even have a coffee of the good the
00:34:14
B the rugby on VHS it's it's on YouTube
00:34:16
now I watched some footage the other day
00:34:18
it's it's great it's really really um
00:34:20
yeah it sort of breaks down that wall
00:34:22
between the All Blacks and the fans I
00:34:24
feel like that Wall's back up now they
00:34:25
were great people like I was really
00:34:27
lucky
00:34:28
I spent a lot of time you know guys like
00:34:30
Fitzy and um you know back and frano and
00:34:34
Foxy and those sort of guys you know
00:34:35
just just really good people really had
00:34:38
a good balance cuz you know they're
00:34:39
working at the same time and then they
00:34:42
you know I mean back then they train
00:34:44
Tuesday Thursday you know only allowed
00:34:47
like three days I think before a test
00:34:49
match to assemble and stuff like that so
00:34:51
yeah they were just good people and I I
00:34:54
really enjoyed my time yeah it's crazy
00:34:55
to think cuz it's um I've had JK the
00:34:58
podcast and we talked about how during
00:34:59
the 87 World Cup he was like bulleted
00:35:01
out at people's houses and stuff so yeah
00:35:04
I mean obviously ' 87 to 9 quite quite a
00:35:06
big difference but it was still very
00:35:08
just talk about JK we had so he got
00:35:11
injured early in that tour in ' 89 and
00:35:15
um he's he's got such a great brain as
00:35:18
he's getting carried off he blew as
00:35:19
Archilles as he's getting carried off
00:35:22
he's yelling at the
00:35:23
crew follow the
00:35:26
ambulance get some shots me going into
00:35:28
the
00:35:29
surgery so the crew took off jumped in
00:35:32
the car drove behind the ambulance and
00:35:34
they get these shots of JK getting
00:35:36
wheeled into surgery and stuff like that
00:35:38
you know um so yeah I mean that was a
00:35:40
real team effort that was me and him all
00:35:42
those all those videos you know um and
00:35:46
uh I had no idea what I was doing so I
00:35:48
cut it it was like two hours long or
00:35:50
something two and a half hours long um
00:35:52
because I just wanted to put everything
00:35:54
in I had no idea about structure and
00:35:55
pace and all those sort of TV terms I
00:35:58
just chucked everything in it was like a
00:36:00
giant home movie i' I've heard you say
00:36:02
that a lot about about almost every
00:36:04
Venture you've done like you know Sports
00:36:06
C I had no idea what I was doing but
00:36:08
it's true must just be like um like an
00:36:10
instinct you have though no it's true I
00:36:13
I think I
00:36:15
like I like putting stuff in order like
00:36:19
in in an order and that's essentially
00:36:20
what you do on television is you get a
00:36:21
whole lot of stuff and you put it in the
00:36:24
right order and the right pace pace and
00:36:28
structure for me is everything and I
00:36:30
worked out pretty soon that I was you
00:36:32
know quite good at that and um and so
00:36:36
you know I that's what I really enjoy
00:36:38
but but yeah that's not a
00:36:41
self-deprecating sort of comment I
00:36:44
literally knew nothing about making
00:36:45
documentaries when I made the good and
00:36:46
bad rugby I worked it hours I went along
00:36:48
I literally knew nothing about doing
00:36:51
chat shows and live shows when I did
00:36:53
Sports CA until I started doing it and I
00:36:56
think that's that New Zealand and you
00:36:58
you we're so naive sometimes we don't
00:37:00
understand the challenge oh yeah I'll
00:37:02
get there to go I'll be able to do
00:37:03
that sweet you know how hard can it be
00:37:07
I've just come back from running a rugby
00:37:08
club in New York I've never done that
00:37:10
before you know so um but it's important
00:37:14
I reckon to not be like have a little
00:37:18
bit of fear because that that get the
00:37:20
adrenaline flowing but not let that um
00:37:24
that fear stop you trying um I say the
00:37:27
people you know like the first episode
00:37:29
of Sports Cafe it was so bad and I
00:37:33
walked off the set and the crew wouldn't
00:37:36
look at me like so I'd look at the
00:37:38
camera when they
00:37:39
go no one would look at me except we had
00:37:42
this one producer working with us alen
00:37:43
thirst who was a genius thirsty and as
00:37:46
crazy as I was and he looked at me and
00:37:49
he gave me the thumbs up and he said it
00:37:50
was [ __ ] but there's something there and
00:37:52
I was like yeah you're right there's
00:37:53
something there you know let's let's
00:37:55
let's build on that um so so you've got
00:37:58
to start I mean that's the the easiest
00:38:01
piece of advice you just got to start it
00:38:03
is and fail and learn from your fail
00:38:05
failures is is where the growth happens
00:38:07
right yeah or just you know just I
00:38:09
always think that when you make a TV
00:38:11
series um that you know that the first
00:38:13
episode's going to be a bit crap um
00:38:16
because you put all this thought into it
00:38:19
and then you put it out there and you
00:38:21
overthink it and then you it's not till
00:38:23
you see the first one you go ah I just
00:38:25
change that and change that and change
00:38:27
that and then the second one's better
00:38:29
and then the third one's normally
00:38:30
humming that's that's what I found yeah
00:38:33
well dig deep on that soon the TV stuff
00:38:35
because um yeah [ __ ] you've had two TV
00:38:38
shows that lasted for a decade or more
00:38:40
which um is incredible by New Zealand
00:38:42
standards right that's remarkable but um
00:38:45
yeah just back to the Jonah stuff so so
00:38:47
Jonah comes on the team he's how old
00:38:49
like 18 19 yeah so he's a k really young
00:38:52
and he played two tests against France
00:38:54
and um and then they decided to drop him
00:38:59
was not really the right word they they
00:39:00
sort of said look I think you need a bit
00:39:02
more time so um um they replaced them uh
00:39:08
whatever the next test were I think we
00:39:09
played South Africa and then um the 95
00:39:13
World Cup he was close to the squad but
00:39:16
didn't make the initial Squad um and I
00:39:20
remember Eric Rush the team was due to
00:39:23
play a warm-up game in Hamilton Eric
00:39:25
Rush got injured and so they called
00:39:26
joner up from the
00:39:28
I know water the training group or the
00:39:29
New Zealand 15 and he came up and he
00:39:31
just destroyed everyone at training I
00:39:33
remember he hit the bag and Richard low
00:39:36
went back 20 M back and then he hit the
00:39:39
next bed and Jamie Joseph went another
00:39:40
20 M back I was like oh man I think we
00:39:42
need to pick him and um but like when we
00:39:46
got to the World Cup because hadn't set
00:39:49
the world on fire in
00:39:50
94 I went down the night before the
00:39:53
first game with him to do talk to media
00:39:55
and no one showed up like not a single
00:39:58
person and him and I were just standing
00:39:59
in the floor of the hotel really
00:40:01
awkwardly going I don't think anyone
00:40:03
want to talk to you Jonah go back to
00:40:04
your room was there no sort of heat
00:40:05
around him at that time no because he
00:40:08
wasn't a star at that stage you know he
00:40:10
was a guy who' played two tests um and
00:40:13
then missed the the the test against
00:40:15
South Africa and you know um even the
00:40:19
game before the World Cup warm up test
00:40:21
was against Canada and he came off the
00:40:22
bench
00:40:24
so the next night the guy has opened the
00:40:28
World Cup against iseland and he just
00:40:30
destroyed isand like I unbelievable and
00:40:34
from then on it was like um on know
00:40:38
rugby version of Taylor Swift it was
00:40:39
just incredible far out everywhere we
00:40:42
went he was just getting mobbed and um
00:40:46
so my job after a test match was to run
00:40:49
on the field and protect them um and
00:40:52
help him get off the
00:40:53
field um see you you must have been in a
00:40:56
good spot cuz you've been media a for 3
00:40:58
years at that point so you you sort of
00:41:00
created this job and job description for
00:41:02
yourself but 3 years and you got a few
00:41:04
idea what you're doing but you sto to a
00:41:06
degree must have felt like a deer on the
00:41:08
headlights cuz i' never de anything like
00:41:10
that before um you know must have been
00:41:13
insane and um there we we did a
00:41:16
supermarket visit and before we went and
00:41:19
and mixed with the with the fans went up
00:41:22
and did some signing for the um for the
00:41:24
managers and stuff and then outside
00:41:26
there was about 300 people waiting for
00:41:28
the All Blacks and so I said oh Sean if
00:41:31
you can lead them out and so sea LED
00:41:32
them out and this lady came up to sha
00:41:34
and she said I've been waiting for you
00:41:35
for so long um for 3 hours I've been
00:41:38
waiting here for you you know please
00:41:40
you're my favorite player can you sign
00:41:41
this rugby ball and he wrote sea and
00:41:44
Jonah walked past and she ripped the
00:41:45
ball off
00:41:47
him and Jonah started running and and
00:41:51
everyone ran with Jonah I remember
00:41:53
standing next to Sea there was no one
00:41:54
left like like the rest of us were just
00:41:56
standing there go oh well I was going to
00:41:59
have a coffee then
00:42:00
boys wow what a crazy time to be part of
00:42:03
that yeah crazy thing to experience he
00:42:05
was what was he like was he quite quite
00:42:07
shy the was quite there was a real sort
00:42:09
of hierarchy thing at that point who did
00:42:10
he hang out with was Russ and Frank and
00:42:13
Eric and and those guys but um he's a
00:42:16
good guy had a good sense of humor the
00:42:18
only thing like for some reason he
00:42:21
decided he wanted to play fight me all
00:42:22
the time so I'd be walking down a
00:42:24
corridor and he'd jump out and just give
00:42:26
me a hook into the guts or something
00:42:28
like that and then he disappear and I'd
00:42:30
be doubled over oh good one Jonah oh God
00:42:33
you so yeah I I I really enjoyed uh
00:42:37
Jonah's company he was um one day he um
00:42:41
he ate a bowl of boiled eggs and he must
00:42:43
have been 20 of them in there and so and
00:42:46
then Lori decided he didn't play that
00:42:47
well the next game so eggs were off we
00:42:49
went no one else was allowed to eat the
00:42:51
eggs so um yeah it was just I mean he
00:42:54
was really young um
00:42:57
I think he was calm though I I always
00:43:00
felt him really calm you know all this
00:43:02
crazy was going on he had Phil Kingsley
00:43:04
Jones who was managing it all so he
00:43:06
could just let Phil do that anything in
00:43:08
the team he could let me do this and one
00:43:11
of the things I always felt with Jonah
00:43:12
is um he loved being part of the family
00:43:15
you know he loved being an all black and
00:43:18
he loved you know his friendship with
00:43:20
Russia and and and Frank and those boys
00:43:22
and in the team and he he really
00:43:26
blossomed
00:43:27
as the stronger a sense of belonging to
00:43:29
the team the better he played and um you
00:43:32
know no more so than when he destroyed
00:43:34
England um and I think that was really
00:43:37
important to him I think to to to feel
00:43:39
part of that all black family was a big
00:43:40
part of it for him yeah I mean yeah a
00:43:43
tragic end um to to his to his life and
00:43:46
uh you you look back at some of the
00:43:47
stuff he went through like having to go
00:43:48
on the home show to apologize when he
00:43:51
got married and didn't tell his family
00:43:53
you look back now it's like personal
00:43:54
personal [ __ ] it shouldn't have been uh
00:43:56
it's aling you look you look back in um
00:43:59
but thanks for sharing those stories I
00:44:00
love nothing more than a Jonah story
00:44:02
yeah he's a good man I think at the end
00:44:04
of the day you know when you what was
00:44:06
Jonah like Jonah was a good man that's
00:44:09
cool um so then the TV stuff so Sports
00:44:12
Cafe how did they there'll be a lot of
00:44:13
people listening to this that are like
00:44:15
me massive massive fans of it and have
00:44:17
nothing but fond memories of it there be
00:44:18
a lot of people that won't even remember
00:44:20
but this this was groundbreaking stuff
00:44:22
and you say you don't know what you were
00:44:23
doing but I was in um commercial radio
00:44:25
at the time and we had Consultants all
00:44:26
the time so what you were essentially
00:44:29
doing was like um whether you knew it or
00:44:31
not was like a breakfast radio show on
00:44:33
TV you like the the goofball yeah you
00:44:36
had the the straight man you had the so
00:44:38
that was my background you know so
00:44:40
breakfast radio and um so that very much
00:44:43
um was on my
00:44:45
mind we created it cuz um again you know
00:44:49
Jak and I having a couple of beers and
00:44:50
we're talking about how um we never
00:44:54
really got to see the
00:44:55
players Express themselves on TV shows
00:44:59
you know cuz um and we wanted to create
00:45:02
that sort of touring sort of type
00:45:04
environment you know was really loose
00:45:06
and stuff like that and initially it was
00:45:08
going to be JK me and and
00:45:11
ziny um and then JK couldn't make the
00:45:16
pilot show I brought in a um Tanya from
00:45:19
Radio b and the only person on you in
00:45:23
the Warriors cuz I got JK cuz he was a
00:45:24
warrior at that stage the only person on
00:45:26
you in the Warriors other than JK that
00:45:28
was available was meca so I rang Maca up
00:45:31
and I said do you mind um filling in for
00:45:33
the pilot and I remember he walked into
00:45:35
the makeup room wearing normal clothes
00:45:38
and came out with a suit from the
00:45:40
1970s don't know where he found it and
00:45:43
he changed at that moment he changed
00:45:46
what was going to be a serious relax
00:45:47
show into what it turned into be and um
00:45:52
and then JK rang me up he said man I'm
00:45:53
really busy I don't think I do the first
00:45:54
few shows I said don't worry about it we
00:45:57
we'll use Mecca and um he was a
00:46:00
phenomenal Talent wasn't he just
00:46:02
incredible I I I was at that age I
00:46:04
suppose in my early early 20s my 20s at
00:46:06
the time me and all my mate started sort
00:46:07
of talking like him I still see it today
00:46:10
I still see people a lot of people um um
00:46:15
you know even sometimes when I listen to
00:46:16
some of the ACC guys I think they sound
00:46:18
like meca you know um yeah massively
00:46:21
influential and um you know like a just
00:46:25
a genius around timing and all that sort
00:46:27
of stuff he he he sometimes he put zero
00:46:30
thought into it sometimes he put you
00:46:32
know 3% thought into it but um he just
00:46:35
he used to sit behind me on the old
00:46:37
black bus and um he used to just crack
00:46:40
me up all the time just you know just
00:46:42
abusing everyone and taking the piss out
00:46:44
of everyone so I knew he was funny
00:46:46
didn't realize it was that funny and
00:46:48
then he just became really annoying yes
00:46:50
so your your role on Sports Cafe was
00:46:52
like the anchor or straight man whatever
00:46:53
you the links man whatever you want to
00:46:55
call it um and you looked [ __ ] off
00:46:57
with them were you or was that oh there
00:46:59
was sometimes I was yeah I mean he he
00:47:02
thought that the show was funny because
00:47:06
I put so much effort into it and he
00:47:08
ruined it he thought that was the
00:47:10
concept of the show like like oh yeah
00:47:12
you're going to make a show and I'm
00:47:13
going to ruin it that's a brilliant
00:47:14
concept I was like no that's not what
00:47:16
I'm looking for but um the the one time
00:47:20
I got really angry was when he was drunk
00:47:23
and I'd put a lot of work into the show
00:47:25
and you know had some good guests and
00:47:27
stuff like that and I rang him at 1:00 I
00:47:30
knew it was at lunch and I was like mate
00:47:32
you sound like you've had a few are you
00:47:33
going to get home soon yeah yeah I'm my
00:47:34
way home they keept ringing him kept
00:47:36
ringing him he was still there 6:00
00:47:38
still at lunch you know and we used to
00:47:40
start let's say
00:47:42
8:30
00:47:44
um 7:30 still at lunch I said mate I
00:47:46
need you to come I need you to leave now
00:47:49
so we started the show pretty sure we
00:47:51
started he wasn't even there but we
00:47:53
might have he might have been there 2
00:47:55
minutes before we went live on air he
00:47:57
walked in and he was so
00:47:58
drunk and uh I'm like what what are we
00:48:02
going to do here and he had this because
00:48:05
he was always trying to sell his new Day
00:48:06
t-shirt so he grabbed a New Day t-shirt
00:48:09
put it over his big jacket he was looked
00:48:11
like the Michelin Man and um and then I
00:48:15
the way my brain works it was like he's
00:48:17
really drunk I'm just going to keep
00:48:19
throwing questions at him I'm just going
00:48:21
to catch him out I'm just going to make
00:48:22
his life a nightmare and then at the
00:48:24
commercial break I said get him out of
00:48:26
here I'm going to kill him get him out
00:48:27
of here he'd kicked the ball into
00:48:29
someone's face in the audience he just
00:48:31
had so they took him over to get some
00:48:34
coffee into him and we put a um we had a
00:48:37
fiberglass cow in the set and we put it
00:48:41
in mark spot and just as we came back
00:48:45
from commercial break I looked over and
00:48:46
there's Maca arguing with the cow I was
00:48:48
like what are you doing in my spot mate
00:48:51
like so after the show everyone knew to
00:48:55
get out of my way so I I'm like upstairs
00:48:58
mate so mea went upstairs ripped into
00:49:01
him I was like that is so unprofessional
00:49:03
you've made me look like an idiot you
00:49:05
know who do you think you are blah
00:49:06
ripped
00:49:07
him the reality is is that now that
00:49:10
show's gone down in history is for many
00:49:12
people it's the funniest show we did so
00:49:14
you know once again he wins you know but
00:49:19
on on reflection um yeah what makes you
00:49:22
wi I I had Lee Hart sitting in that
00:49:24
chair he he he's talks years on about
00:49:27
regretting about you killing a snail
00:49:29
live on TV which seems like a small
00:49:30
thing but he just thinks it's pointless
00:49:32
and it's something he wouldn't do now
00:49:33
what about you is there anything that
00:49:34
you look back on and
00:49:36
go
00:49:37
um oh yeah posing for photos for new day
00:49:40
was probably not my finest um no new was
00:49:43
like a a cultural phenomenon though
00:49:45
wasn't it what I loved about you know
00:49:46
these these influences nowadays I I I
00:49:49
think back then we could get most of New
00:49:51
Zealand to go naked for a day MAA would
00:49:54
say you know you have permission from
00:49:56
the police which they didn't and um and
00:49:59
people would send us in videos of
00:50:00
themselves nude doing stupid stuff like
00:50:03
that's influence yeah well there were
00:50:06
even cops involved weren't there like
00:50:09
cops posing nude on the cop car and no
00:50:10
the gor policeman um did a whole thing
00:50:14
um and he got the sack wow and it was
00:50:18
front page of news and then um about
00:50:21
couple of weeks later the local fire
00:50:23
brigade also did the New Day stuff so
00:50:25
yeah people really got into it was funny
00:50:27
it was so funny oh it was just an
00:50:29
incredibly well done show now we get all
00:50:31
these lawyers and doctors coming up to
00:50:33
me at functions going you know in uh
00:50:37
what in 1998 the new day tapes do you
00:50:40
still have those cuz um I seen an entry
00:50:42
and I'd prefer if no one ever saw it you
00:50:44
know well the hard thing that is to be
00:50:46
finding like a a player to play the
00:50:49
tapes on even if they were still in
00:50:50
existence and um yeah it was amazing and
00:50:53
then your final show you even had like a
00:50:55
a video message from Helen Clark who was
00:50:57
the Prime Minister at the time you think
00:50:59
now um whoever the prime minister is
00:51:01
even if it's a fun prime minister like a
00:51:02
John ke or a Chris Lux that' have people
00:51:04
saying no think of the Optics yeah she
00:51:06
was she was I mean she had a good sense
00:51:07
of humor I mean the thing is the reason
00:51:09
I think Sports care worked because um
00:51:12
and you know you got to take the guys
00:51:14
that um John fet and um Nate Smith who
00:51:18
were the sort of people that run sky
00:51:20
that they said so they didn't give us
00:51:22
any money they just said here's an hour
00:51:24
of TV um you've got a
00:51:27
raise the money through sponsorship and
00:51:29
advertising um but we're going to let
00:51:32
you go just just don't get their license
00:51:34
taken off you know and um and they were
00:51:38
really supportive um even in the early
00:51:40
early days um so they gave me the
00:51:44
confidence to try things because I knew
00:51:47
I wasn't going to get taken off air I
00:51:48
mean the first year we did 40 shows the
00:51:50
first year and the reason we did 40 is I
00:51:52
worked out that if I got paid x amount
00:51:54
of dollar per show I'd have to do 40
00:51:56
shows to get
00:51:57
enough um um so but we yeah and and and
00:52:03
and like that's not always the case in
00:52:06
television you know you don't normally
00:52:07
get that freedom and um and so yeah
00:52:10
really thankful for those guys and was
00:52:12
it live live yeah was live for probably
00:52:15
90% of the time we we did
00:52:18
this our 10th year anniversary by that
00:52:22
stage we were on tvnz and um cuz our
00:52:25
sponsor one of the big audience and we
00:52:28
did our 10- year anniversary show and
00:52:30
for some reason there was a problem with
00:52:32
the link and I I said welcome to the
00:52:36
show and then it cut out and no one saw
00:52:38
the rest of the show we didn't realize
00:52:39
we did the show and no one saw it they
00:52:41
had to run a stand by show so then TV
00:52:44
and Z rip ripped me apart and they're
00:52:46
like this is disgraceful you need to you
00:52:49
can't do that again you need to record
00:52:51
it an hour early um so we can make sure
00:52:54
it's in house before we play it and and
00:52:56
so that was what we did the last year
00:52:58
but um the irony of that is we so our
00:53:02
show was I think 46 minutes and then the
00:53:06
the rest of the hour was made up
00:53:07
commercial breaks but we had this new
00:53:09
person working for us and she timed it
00:53:14
at 46 minutes then took commercial
00:53:16
breaks off so we did this recorded show
00:53:18
which they wanted us to do and I was
00:53:20
like [ __ ] that was over quick and um
00:53:23
then we're inside having a beer and then
00:53:25
um I get this call from TB andz going
00:53:28
hey guys you like I know 30 minutes
00:53:32
short I'm like well we can't there's
00:53:34
nothing we can do about it like like I
00:53:36
don't know I'm on the floor I don't know
00:53:38
how long I'm just waiting for the
00:53:39
director and the director assistant to
00:53:42
give me cues so yeah so that didn't work
00:53:44
that well oh my God but um like I'm
00:53:46
thinking uh there was another sort of
00:53:48
Master of New Zealand TV at the time in
00:53:50
my opinion Mikey havoc and he did he did
00:53:52
a live show Once which was just
00:53:53
diabolical and disastrous so there's um
00:53:56
came yeah him and news boy started I
00:53:58
think this the year after us and it was
00:54:00
a good time we'd watched their stuff and
00:54:03
um you know Graham Hill had come from
00:54:05
bfm so he knew them pretty well and um
00:54:07
there was a bit of crossover and then
00:54:09
Graham went and worked on um uh Jeremy's
00:54:12
um I can't remember eating media lunch
00:54:15
or something eating media lunch yeah gr
00:54:16
was one of the guys on that one of the
00:54:17
Geniuses behind that so it was it was
00:54:20
nice it was a nice little crew of people
00:54:22
lot you know poor castle and stuff they
00:54:24
were really smart guys you know so
00:54:25
there's a lot sort of um uh you're
00:54:28
sharing each other's success yeah yeah I
00:54:31
mean yeah I'm just thinking as you're
00:54:33
you're speaking so there was the core
00:54:34
cast of um Sports Cafe but then this
00:54:37
just that peripheral cast which was
00:54:38
phenomenal you know the human cannibal
00:54:40
Eva from Bulgaria um yeah that guy who
00:54:43
we met before Lee it's incred you're um
00:54:46
yeah you're quite the talent spot right
00:54:47
I'm interested to see how you deflect
00:54:48
this one because you've made so many
00:54:50
careers yeah I think um I think it's
00:54:54
sort of giving people a chance like and
00:54:56
being given them time to find their
00:54:57
voice I think that's been the key um you
00:55:01
know I love watching the news at night
00:55:03
and saying Haley h on the news you know
00:55:06
um you know those sorts of things um I
00:55:09
really enjoy that's probably what gives
00:55:11
me the greatest PA is seeing people um
00:55:14
that come through you know the M
00:55:16
richardon sort of stuff um Lee Hart you
00:55:19
know I mean Lee's I still I'm biased but
00:55:22
I's the funniest guy in New Zealand and
00:55:24
um you know we just in an outlet and
00:55:27
then he just took off and you know the
00:55:29
rest is on him and um we got him in we
00:55:33
got him in because Ma and I were talking
00:55:35
about this character and we want to do
00:55:38
something funny and he he knew Lee you
00:55:40
know he said I've been talking to Lee
00:55:42
about it and Lee's got a whole bio about
00:55:45
this guy you know he's he's he's really
00:55:46
prepared and it's very funny so um so he
00:55:50
came in and Lee had done a brilliant job
00:55:53
in in in really putting a backstory
00:55:55
behind the character which is not
00:55:56
something we ever did before and then
00:55:59
about um a week later two weeks later um
00:56:05
Norm hu had had done had to do a very
00:56:07
tearful apology on TV that's right he
00:56:09
got drunk and ended up um smashing a r
00:56:11
slider to the wrong hotel room or
00:56:13
something yeah I can't remember yeah it
00:56:14
was awful but then we then Lee Hart did
00:56:17
a parody of it and he did an apology cuz
00:56:19
he said look you know I'm not really a
00:56:21
snail racer I don't really know how fast
00:56:23
these things can go you know and so
00:56:27
um I knew so the next year I was like
00:56:31
cuz Lee was working for a greenstone at
00:56:33
that Stage production company as a
00:56:35
researcher and I was like mate you need
00:56:37
to come full-time and be with us so um
00:56:42
the first three or four weeks he made a
00:56:45
different name every time I remember he
00:56:49
was doing a a um piece of camera the
00:56:53
vict and he goes and he's signed off
00:56:56
Rick and he turned around the boat was
00:56:57
called Crescendo Rick Rick Crescendo you
00:57:00
know so then I said M we just need a
00:57:02
generic name let's call you that guy and
00:57:04
let's just let's just go from there and
00:57:06
um yeah I mean he is so clever you know
00:57:10
but so is you know the Cannonball and
00:57:12
either the Bulgarian I mean they were
00:57:13
really smart people they knew their
00:57:15
characters and um they knew um you know
00:57:20
it's really
00:57:21
playing you you take some of your own
00:57:24
qualities and you you exaggerate them
00:57:26
into a character and that's why it's
00:57:28
always funny for me whenever I go into
00:57:30
meetings you know serious business
00:57:32
meetings people see me as the guy that
00:57:34
presented Sports Cafe not the guy that
00:57:35
made it so they think I'm an idiot you
00:57:38
know so I'm trying to get something
00:57:40
really important across and they go yeah
00:57:43
where's Eva the Bulgarian you know so um
00:57:45
you know and we haven't talked about
00:57:46
Lana I mean without Lana yeah yeah
00:57:49
Lana's um dry humor um I heard her at a
00:57:54
function before she worked for us and I
00:57:56
was like oh man
00:57:58
she everyone thinks that she's like this
00:58:00
and she's like that and that's funny and
00:58:03
so when we had the opportunity to put
00:58:05
her in there um she was only supposed to
00:58:06
do a couple of weeks and she did like
00:58:08
you know 12 years um yeah she was sort
00:58:12
of the glue that kept us together oh she
00:58:14
played that role particularly well too
00:58:15
like sometimes she' side with you
00:58:17
sometimes she'd side with Mark cuz I
00:58:19
think what would happen with me is I'd
00:58:20
get angry with Mark and then he'd suck
00:58:23
me in and I'd get caught up in his
00:58:25
stupid ideas M you know no we're not
00:58:27
going to do that no no no well actually
00:58:29
if we do you know then and then Lana
00:58:31
would slap me across the face no R don't
00:58:33
don't be fooled by them you know so yeah
00:58:36
and none of that was um like contrived
00:58:39
not not in the early days and as we got
00:58:43
through sort of started to understand
00:58:45
the Dynamics and and and work out how to
00:58:47
play with them very much like breakfast
00:58:49
radio you know it's like well I know my
00:58:51
character you know your character so
00:58:53
let's let's do stand your lane yeah yeah
00:58:55
so it was
00:58:56
it was very much like a breakfast radio
00:58:59
and then and then Crowd Goes Wild after
00:59:00
that well I'm I'm brushing over Sugar
00:59:02
Shack you don't want to Sugar shet was
00:59:05
cool because um cuz I got it wrong right
00:59:08
you know what I've got a really good
00:59:09
memory about um like pop culture on TV I
00:59:11
don't remember this at all no Sugar
00:59:13
Shack at all but is this the only fail
00:59:15
you've had oh know there's a few there's
00:59:18
Sugar Shack which um had a great group
00:59:20
of people I don't know why I couldn't
00:59:22
make it work um but I was St
00:59:26
starting Crow go wild at the same time
00:59:28
and I was spreading myself a bit thin um
00:59:31
and uh I also did a show I did a show
00:59:34
called The Bradley Bunch which which we
00:59:37
did one episode of and um the the idea
00:59:41
was that newses changed so we brought
00:59:45
Tom Bradley back um which was actually
00:59:48
Jeremy wells's idea and and then we put
00:59:51
everything around them so we had Paul
00:59:52
ego as a cons he was a consultant and we
00:59:55
had kyli B who was his female presenter
00:59:57
cuz you couldn't do the news without a
00:59:59
female and we had a
01:00:02
band and I'd been at the comedy club
01:00:06
like classic like 5 days before we were
01:00:09
do to film this pilot and I was watching
01:00:12
this act and never heard of them before
01:00:14
and um afterwards they're in the foyer
01:00:16
selling CDs and stuff and I went up to
01:00:18
them I said do you want to be in my TV
01:00:20
show and they're like what do you mean I
01:00:22
said I'm doing a TV show on Thursday um
01:00:24
and you guys are really funny so you
01:00:26
should be in it and so they were in it
01:00:28
and they fly the Concords and um and so
01:00:33
they were hilarious I'd never seen them
01:00:35
before they were just starting out and
01:00:37
um I remember when tvnz after the show
01:00:41
um and it wasn't my greatest work but um
01:00:44
it was just you know we're just trying
01:00:45
some stuff and they were like nah don't
01:00:48
ever talk about that show don't even try
01:00:50
and resurrect it don't even don't even
01:00:52
mention it in the hallway I was like
01:00:54
yeah I know I know I get it but but the
01:00:57
band were quite funny and they're like
01:00:58
oh were they iuck I think so um I love a
01:01:03
story like that you they they had um
01:01:04
they were really sort of um uh bruised
01:01:07
by their experience at TV when they they
01:01:10
they wanted to change the entire sort of
01:01:12
concept of the show and make it I I
01:01:14
don't know what they wanted to make it
01:01:15
but then um the BBC saw something in
01:01:17
them I love I love their success I I
01:01:19
just yeah it's phenomenal he there two
01:01:22
really good people you know I and Reese
01:01:24
you know they're all really really good
01:01:25
people
01:01:27
and so you know sometimes in New Zealand
01:01:29
you know people sort of go if they see
01:01:31
someone else's success they get a bit
01:01:33
shitty because it's like oh you're
01:01:34
leaving me behind I want to pull you
01:01:36
down etc etc but the Concords are just a
01:01:41
incredibly talented you can see from
01:01:43
that first first time we saw them um and
01:01:47
and you know so I mean I love their
01:01:49
success because it's true Talent finding
01:01:51
its true true place and um yeah that
01:01:56
yeah but but they didn't find it in the
01:01:57
Bradley
01:01:59
Bunch that's is it on YouTube or
01:02:02
anything I don't know I've got a copy
01:02:04
it's it's a long sugar shck and um so
01:02:06
Crowd Goes Wild I remember seeing um uh
01:02:09
Ms Andrew Mulligan at a mate's party one
01:02:11
Christmas and I think it was at the end
01:02:13
of year one of cred go wild and I was
01:02:14
saying how much I love the show and he
01:02:16
was saying it was about to about to end
01:02:18
or it wasn't looking likely that it was
01:02:20
going to so they so Sky used to have a
01:02:21
show called sport 365 which was their
01:02:23
first sort of attempt at the new show
01:02:26
and um and it was it was fine it was
01:02:28
going okay and and Andrew Mulligan was
01:02:30
working as a producer on that show and
01:02:32
then um I got a call one day out
01:02:35
completely out of the blue John fet who
01:02:37
was running Sky rang me and he said look
01:02:39
I I need to change 365 it's not working
01:02:41
for
01:02:42
me can I give you the resource of 365
01:02:46
and can you turn it into something I'm
01:02:49
like yeah I can but um I'm a little bit
01:02:52
busy at the moment because I'm with Mark
01:02:54
Ellis
01:02:56
and two policemen they just let them
01:02:58
come home to put a suit on because we're
01:02:59
going to court so he was going to court
01:03:02
oh it was just for the selling some ex
01:03:05
yeah um so um so so that I remember it
01:03:10
vividly you know um so we we got through
01:03:13
that and then um and I came into Sky and
01:03:16
I was like I got a whole lot of people
01:03:19
for auditions and because mes was
01:03:22
working for Sky I asked him to sit in on
01:03:24
the auditions
01:03:26
and we went through I know 10 people I'd
01:03:28
already knew I knew that I wanted to use
01:03:30
mark because I'd actually used mark on
01:03:31
an episode of Sports Cafe M Richardson
01:03:34
but um I wasn't planning on using Andrew
01:03:37
and then uh I looked through all the
01:03:39
additions and I was like man Andrew is
01:03:42
better than nor he's the best he's so
01:03:44
good and the chemistry between him and
01:03:46
Mark will work really well so so we put
01:03:48
them together and um and then what was
01:03:51
that
01:03:53
2006 um and it's still going today I'm
01:03:56
not involved with it anymore are you are
01:03:57
you still executive producer no no no no
01:03:59
so when I went to the US I I sort of
01:04:01
moved away but um yeah I mean I all
01:04:06
right Andrew's done a phenomenal job and
01:04:08
um yeah I I think I mean I really in
01:04:11
those early years it was so much fun CU
01:04:14
again you're just finding your voice and
01:04:16
um some you know some brilliant people
01:04:19
gone through I mean we started Glenn
01:04:21
Osborne was the original reporter for
01:04:23
Kos World um and um and you know and
01:04:27
Mark you know Mark's very good just so
01:04:30
clever knows his character really well
01:04:33
bounced off Andrew really well you know
01:04:34
then we during that first year we
01:04:36
brought McCone in you know um which is a
01:04:39
master stroke yeah and it was so i' saw
01:04:42
McCone at a um at a rugby function a
01:04:45
blues function and he was just leaving
01:04:48
the herald you know and I said what are
01:04:50
you going to do he said I don't have
01:04:51
anything on I said well come and help us
01:04:52
out give you a couple of shifts you know
01:04:55
and um and then he just got you know
01:04:57
just realized just how talented he was
01:05:00
but you you've sort of given um like
01:05:02
opportunities or TV jobs to people that
01:05:04
would never have got it from like one or
01:05:05
three for whatever reason and it's
01:05:07
proved to be like a master strike
01:05:09
there's been um some just as You'
01:05:11
mentioned Haley hul before some
01:05:13
remarkable careers like yeah it's cool
01:05:15
as I say I mean it's just giving the
01:05:18
people the opportunity and and then I
01:05:20
think sometimes in our industry um you
01:05:23
know a producer or someone will will
01:05:25
hire someone because they see something
01:05:27
in them and then they'll try and turn
01:05:29
them into what they think they should be
01:05:33
whereas it's actually easier just to let
01:05:35
them be themselves yeah I think what
01:05:37
you're describing is what happened with
01:05:38
Flight of the Concords right try to mold
01:05:40
them into what they thought I think it
01:05:42
happens with lots of people you go and
01:05:44
someone sees you've got some Talent um
01:05:47
and this I'm talking Global they see
01:05:49
you've got some Talent they go right
01:05:51
we're going to give you this show here's
01:05:52
your script this is what I want you to
01:05:54
say this is how I want you to this is
01:05:56
what I want you to be whereas my
01:05:59
strategy is a lot easier it's like okay
01:06:01
can you come in and just be yourself and
01:06:03
I'll just sit back and watch yeah I've
01:06:05
had marike Richardson on the podcast and
01:06:07
he he talked about um we talked about
01:06:09
the sketch that he did with Steven
01:06:10
Fleming oh yeah and he his recollection
01:06:12
is that that's when he came onto your
01:06:15
radar yeah cuz you thought that sketch
01:06:17
with Steven Fleming was funny yeah
01:06:19
hilarious yeah so awkward to watch yeah
01:06:22
yeah brilliantly awkward but that's the
01:06:23
thing about Mark is he understands his
01:06:25
character really well so he knows he
01:06:28
knows why it's funny so he can replicate
01:06:31
it you know cuz he's like well this is
01:06:33
what I do really well I can play that
01:06:34
role so every time he gets that
01:06:36
opportunity he comes in with a one liner
01:06:38
um he knows his character and that's I
01:06:40
think that's what he does well yeah [ __ ]
01:06:42
we've talked about a lot of high-profile
01:06:44
stuff there's there's something um that
01:06:46
I want to talk about it's a book that
01:06:47
you've done which is probably not very
01:06:49
high profile I've got the book right
01:06:51
here it's called I know this to be true
01:06:53
uh which is amazing it's basically um
01:06:55
it's a beautiful coffee table book came
01:06:56
out
01:06:57
2016 I don't know something like that
01:07:00
yeah and it's um it's just beautiful
01:07:02
photos and yeah glossy photos and uh
01:07:04
sort of interviews with like 60
01:07:06
well-known new zealanders and not so
01:07:08
well-known new zealanders um it's kind
01:07:10
of like a a podcast yeah long form
01:07:13
podcast pre podcasting I so I worked on
01:07:16
that with um a m of Mine Jeff Blackwell
01:07:18
who's a incredible book publisher and
01:07:21
he's just he's just really good at that
01:07:23
stuff and um
01:07:26
there you go deflecting again yeah and I
01:07:27
did the I did the interviews and stuff
01:07:29
and sort of created the format as we
01:07:32
went which was we had the piece of art
01:07:35
um that I know this to be true and we
01:07:37
had the Trap set around everywhere yeah
01:07:39
like a mess of canvas spec drop it's
01:07:41
ridiculous they just got so sick of
01:07:43
carrying that thing it's such a great
01:07:45
idea and then everyone I I do this
01:07:47
interview with them about their values
01:07:48
and about what they knew to be true in
01:07:50
their lives and stuff and then I'd get
01:07:51
them to come up with a word that summed
01:07:53
up who you know their values and what
01:07:55
they thought
01:07:56
um and we' take a photo of that word on
01:07:57
their body and then we'd get them to
01:07:59
sign the canvas at the back put the word
01:08:02
up and they auctioned it for PL strange
01:08:03
you know because a lot of it was for
01:08:04
Mike chun's PL strange but for me um
01:08:09
like it was a gift because I got to
01:08:10
speak to 60 incredible people and have a
01:08:15
really sort of private intimate
01:08:16
conversation with them about the about
01:08:18
what was important in their lives how
01:08:19
long was each chat um
01:08:22
probably 40 minutes to an hour each one
01:08:25
um you know I was lucky to grab um colum
01:08:30
mes just just before he passed away
01:08:31
actually and he was a very good friend
01:08:33
of mine and it was a really special time
01:08:36
and um yeah I mean they all you know all
01:08:39
of the everyone left a mark on me and I
01:08:43
learned a lot from doing them I did JK
01:08:47
and maca
01:08:49
um uh I think they both made me cry
01:08:51
actually I know meca did and then um did
01:08:54
they you can't remember what
01:08:56
um I think meca we're just talking about
01:08:59
love and um yeah I mean it was such such
01:09:04
great gift and then one of the people I
01:09:07
spoke to was a Lady Elizabeth Ransom who
01:09:10
had sold her business to Google for I
01:09:12
think $250 million you know wow she done
01:09:15
incredibly well and she was an amazing
01:09:17
amazing story of go I just really love
01:09:19
talking to her and I interviewed her
01:09:21
over in poo Alto and in California and
01:09:25
at the end of it she sort of challenged
01:09:27
me a little bit she what are you going
01:09:28
to do next you know are you doing this
01:09:29
book when this is finished what are you
01:09:30
going to do next I'm like ah she's like
01:09:33
because the media world's changing you
01:09:34
know television's changing um so you
01:09:37
can't just try out Sports C again I oh
01:09:40
buger um and so I came back from when
01:09:43
that book got published and I started to
01:09:45
really think about what next and um as a
01:09:50
result of that I started
01:09:53
building I built an app a platform
01:09:56
really around Fan engagement around how
01:09:59
to because again JK and I talked about
01:10:01
there was a real problem getting um you
01:10:05
know 20 year olds to watch live Sport
01:10:08
and you know that was so important to us
01:10:09
live Sport and so we sort of built this
01:10:12
thing and it was was testing really well
01:10:16
and so I thought well let's just go to
01:10:18
America I'll just move to America so um
01:10:21
and it was all because of that
01:10:23
conversation I had doing the book and I
01:10:25
ended up in Austin
01:10:27
Texas and um been a year sort of trying
01:10:30
to get things off the ground and then Co
01:10:32
hit so um that sort of put an end to
01:10:35
that oh well still on the still on the
01:10:37
Scrapbook of ideas yeah yeah know man
01:10:39
it's very much so yeah now you mentioned
01:10:40
Colin Colin Ms in in that book this I
01:10:42
know to be true I've actually got that
01:10:44
highlighted here this is one of my
01:10:45
favorite Parts in the book and I think
01:10:46
when I when I read the book when it
01:10:48
first came out I thought it was kind of
01:10:49
Savage and badass and in the time that's
01:10:51
passed I've gone through my own mental
01:10:53
health stuff and I actually find this
01:10:55
paragraph kind of sad now and way so he
01:10:57
was um I think 80 at I know there about
01:11:00
crying yeah yeah yeah yeah he was 80 at
01:11:02
the time it was like a year or two
01:11:03
before he died I can't remember it was
01:11:05
like months before he died oh was it
01:11:07
yeah yeah he still talked in the the
01:11:09
article about enjoying going out for a
01:11:10
few beers yeah yeah um but yeah the
01:11:13
paragraph is um I can't remember when I
01:11:14
last cried probably when I got a hiding
01:11:16
at home as a kid or when I was seven and
01:11:18
had romatic fever and got tght I had to
01:11:20
stand bed for 8 weeks I might have cried
01:11:22
then yeah um at the time I thought [ __ ]
01:11:25
this is cool this is so colon Mees pine
01:11:27
tree Mees and then I look back now and
01:11:29
it's like um like vulnerability and
01:11:31
being able to cry and stuff is like a
01:11:32
really you know it was probably
01:11:35
perceived as a weakness then it
01:11:36
definitely was when I was growing up but
01:11:37
you look back now it's like a a key part
01:11:39
of living a full human existence yeah
01:11:41
that's kind of sad yeah he was I love
01:11:44
Colin he was such an amazing man so when
01:11:47
I Whi the O he was the
01:11:49
manager um so we a pretty close Bond and
01:11:52
um I me I I think I I couldn't believe
01:11:57
it when he told me that [ __ ] three
01:12:00
qus of a century without crying it's
01:12:02
insane like no and it wasn't it wasn't a
01:12:05
um when he said it it wasn't
01:12:07
a contrived comment for effect he
01:12:12
genuinely thought because I I asked that
01:12:14
question of a few people and he
01:12:17
genuinely thought about it oh Jesus i f
01:12:20
[ __ ] I don't know um or probably when I
01:12:22
was you know five or six [ __ ]
01:12:27
col crazy but it just we don't know it
01:12:30
was different time you know and you know
01:12:33
he he had it he had it tough man he
01:12:35
worked hard you know he he he would tell
01:12:38
me about um you know his his father
01:12:41
bought some land up the road and he had
01:12:44
him and Stan had to cut cut all the
01:12:45
shrub you know do after school and he
01:12:48
said to me that um he loved going to
01:12:51
rugby because it gave him a break from
01:12:53
cutting shrub in the farm you know give
01:12:55
him a
01:13:00
[Music]
01:13:56
just sitting back and going oh my God
01:13:58
that person has just got something
01:13:59
special I'm not and I'm not not not
01:14:00
talking about rugby players and stuff
01:14:03
like that I'm talking about just you
01:14:04
know seeing
01:14:06
someone do a song or or or put a show
01:14:10
there like I love The West Wing and
01:14:13
Aaron sain and quite often at the end of
01:14:16
that I'll be in tears and I'll I'll be
01:14:18
in tears not because the
01:14:22
show was was something that that got to
01:14:24
me it's just because i' been to go that
01:14:26
was just an incredible piece of work I
01:14:29
can't
01:14:30
believe someone managed to make that
01:14:32
piece of art for me you know and um and
01:14:37
those are the times where I just yeah I
01:14:39
just a tear come to the eye and arms
01:14:41
just ging and that's just incredible you
01:14:43
know wow yeah it's funny yeah when I had
01:14:46
Matthew Ridge on the podcast he he said
01:14:48
a similar sort of thing actually he said
01:14:49
he loves a good cry now he said he can
01:14:50
be just driving along this car thinking
01:14:52
about you know people or things that
01:14:54
he's grateful for and just to have tears
01:14:56
great great human being Rie yeah he's
01:14:58
wonderful wonderful chat I think it feel
01:15:00
like he's got better with age you
01:15:01
knowed so JK and I did a documentary
01:15:04
with him when he changed codes so we
01:15:06
followed him from the moment he landed
01:15:08
in Australia to um to his career at
01:15:13
Manley that's on YouTube as well by the
01:15:15
way want to look I think actually it's
01:15:18
still the highest rating Sports stock
01:15:20
over all time because there was only
01:15:21
like one channel when we did it but um
01:15:25
and I got to know him really well then
01:15:27
and um such a yeah such a really smart
01:15:31
um really good
01:15:33
man how's um how's your mental health
01:15:35
been over the years yeah I I think I'm
01:15:38
pretty good I think
01:15:40
um I got a shock obviously being really
01:15:44
close to JK watching him go through his
01:15:47
um through his issues and I didn't
01:15:50
understand it I didn't know couldn't
01:15:53
help I just didn't know you know when he
01:15:55
when he tried to talk to me about it I
01:15:56
just didn't understand what he was
01:15:58
talking about CU back then it was just
01:16:00
not spoken about um so I think um I
01:16:05
think because of our friendship I've
01:16:07
always been really conscious of it um
01:16:11
you know I probably don't want to talk
01:16:12
too much about you know um losing Kathy
01:16:15
but that was pretty tough time for me
01:16:17
and you know I was really thankful to
01:16:19
have JK in my corner you know to sort of
01:16:22
help me get through some of that stuff
01:16:24
but um
01:16:26
you know I mean we all go through tough
01:16:28
times I think what you learn is you
01:16:31
can't judge people because you just
01:16:33
don't know what's going on and the what
01:16:35
what their story is you know you know um
01:16:39
and uh so yeah I'm I'm conscious of it
01:16:42
but it's it's always a work on you know
01:16:44
like anyone like you know
01:16:46
particularly when you're when you're a
01:16:49
creative person you make something and
01:16:51
you put it out there you know and you
01:16:53
get called a read ritar whatever you
01:16:55
know it's it's you know it's funny to
01:16:57
laugh at it
01:16:59
but but it can be hard I remember yeah
01:17:02
it stings I used to um I think it so
01:17:06
Sports Cafe was always on a Wednesday
01:17:07
night and I became really conditioned on
01:17:11
a Thursday to
01:17:14
be like it was almost physically I would
01:17:16
sort of curl into a ball even when I'm
01:17:18
walking out I'd be really tight because
01:17:21
I was just waiting for people to um you
01:17:24
know we'd got something wrong or we'd
01:17:26
done something naughty or something like
01:17:28
I you know in a supermarket or something
01:17:30
I'd be waiting for someone to attack me
01:17:32
and um so even after the show finished
01:17:37
like for couple of years afterwards I
01:17:39
would always be really really tired on a
01:17:41
Thursday and really
01:17:44
quiet because I would just want to hide
01:17:47
from the world on that day and then once
01:17:50
we got through Thursday I was okay you
01:17:52
know but um I remember one day I was
01:17:55
driving down the wah Beach and I stopped
01:17:58
to get some petrol and I um I was
01:18:02
filling the car up and you you can sense
01:18:04
when someone's behind you you know and I
01:18:06
could these people behind me I turn
01:18:08
around they looking at me
01:18:10
laughing and I said um what's what's the
01:18:13
problem and they said ah we're just
01:18:16
seeing if you had a hairy ass like meca
01:18:18
said on the show last
01:18:23
night cuz mea decided because I'm half
01:18:26
Italian I must be here so you know that
01:18:29
was my life for like for a long time
01:18:32
that's great yeah um I I don't think
01:18:34
like the fact that we can sit down and
01:18:35
have a conversation like this now um we
01:18:38
can't underestimate the the cultural
01:18:40
impact that John kin's head on this
01:18:41
country you know it's like remarkable
01:18:44
it's easy to talk about mental health
01:18:45
and resilience and um vulnerability now
01:18:48
but he was doing it when no one was
01:18:50
doing it I can't imagine how terrifying
01:18:52
that was to come out I remember when he
01:18:54
he rang me
01:18:55
cuz he he would send me the chapters of
01:18:57
his book to read and give him some
01:18:59
feedback and he sent me the one on his
01:19:01
depression called Black Dog and um he's
01:19:05
like I don't know if I'm going to put
01:19:06
this
01:19:06
in and I read it and I was like oh my
01:19:09
God why didn't you tell me that this was
01:19:11
happening I didn't understand cuz we
01:19:12
were working together we had a company
01:19:15
together past the Productions and
01:19:18
um and he's
01:19:21
like I think I need to put it in I think
01:19:23
I need to but it was it was a lot of
01:19:26
thought about you know exposing that
01:19:28
side of his life because at that stage
01:19:31
no one had ever done that before and and
01:19:33
it was a rugby book you know it's like
01:19:34
you tell me how many Tri you scored and
01:19:36
what it was like the night after the
01:19:38
World Cup final and stuff like that's
01:19:39
what rugby books were and he had this
01:19:41
chapter about you know um dealing with
01:19:43
depression and and where where it got to
01:19:45
him and stuff but I know and I'm sure
01:19:49
he's told you this that you know when he
01:19:51
goes out I mean you know obviously we go
01:19:53
out of here but people will come up to
01:19:55
him constantly and go you've saved my
01:19:58
brother's life my my father my husband
01:20:00
you know particularly MC mes you know um
01:20:04
and you just wonder whether you know his
01:20:06
all black career was really designed to
01:20:09
give him the profile to really do as
01:20:11
good work yeah the platform yeah yeah I
01:20:14
mean yeah he's he's he's normalized it
01:20:16
um I do worry about like the likes of
01:20:17
Herman Mike King and uh my friend jez
01:20:20
thoron as well like they they take a lot
01:20:22
on and then you get people coming coming
01:20:24
to you not with just positive stories
01:20:25
like that but also wanting help or
01:20:27
advice um the good thing with JK is he's
01:20:29
written a beautiful book All Blacks
01:20:31
don't cry which is what I you know when
01:20:34
people because people a lot of people
01:20:36
still come to me and say well I'm
01:20:37
struggling you know and can you give me
01:20:39
JK's number and I go call you need to
01:20:41
read this book first you know um um yeah
01:20:44
it's I mean I I agree with you that that
01:20:47
if you're going to be that person you
01:20:49
know like JK is then then you take a lot
01:20:52
of stuff from other people you know you
01:20:54
carry a all the stuff from other people
01:20:56
but I I've seen him up and down the
01:20:58
country do his speeches and talk to
01:20:59
people and stuff like that oh God it's
01:21:02
it's it's lifechanging you know and um
01:21:05
yeah I mean I'm really proud of him you
01:21:07
know I'm really proud he's a good
01:21:10
friend and just really proud of the
01:21:13
impact he's had on New Zealand yeah it's
01:21:16
incredible um you you mentioned um Kathy
01:21:19
before and you said you don't want to
01:21:20
talk about that in too much detail is
01:21:22
I've noticed on your Instagram there's
01:21:23
not a lot there about about that as well
01:21:26
you just prefer to keep it private or is
01:21:28
it just too hard to talk about still I
01:21:30
just um always been a big believer in my
01:21:32
private life being private you know you
01:21:34
know you you give that character that
01:21:37
that people watch and and happy being
01:21:39
that character and stuff like that but
01:21:42
um you know so what when did I start in
01:21:44
TV ' 86 so it's a long time and and you
01:21:48
just can't give them everything you know
01:21:51
um you got to keep part of your life for
01:21:53
you um and and I've always felt that my
01:21:56
family life is is really mine for me and
01:21:59
um you know I was really you know when
01:22:02
it was tough I was you know loved all
01:22:04
the support we got from everyone and and
01:22:06
and people were amazing um but I've
01:22:09
always been quite private just
01:22:13
just as I say I play that role and do
01:22:15
that stuff but um that's s of stuff's
01:22:19
really for me yeah I I respect that
01:22:21
fully coming from like a breakfast radio
01:22:23
background it's the same sort of thing
01:22:25
like here you're looking for personal
01:22:26
content cuz the more of that you give
01:22:28
away the more of a bond you form with
01:22:29
the audience um but you know me and JJ
01:22:32
we talked a lot when we were married
01:22:34
about our fertility issues and stuff and
01:22:35
once you've once you've given something
01:22:37
away you can't take it back it's tough I
01:22:39
remember talking to you know advising
01:22:41
people when they're looking at doing You
01:22:43
magazine stories and stuff about their
01:22:44
relationships and stuff like that it's
01:22:46
like oh think twice about it you know
01:22:47
because as you said you know once you
01:22:49
give it to them it's gone yeah are you
01:22:52
have um have you been in and love since
01:22:55
then or have you seen anyone since then
01:22:57
or I've seen lots of people I just
01:22:58
walked down the road there's like 30
01:23:00
people walking past me yeah again
01:23:02
private life you know yeah so yeah so
01:23:05
sorry I'm just it's probably I'm I'm
01:23:08
lucky I guess I'm 51 now and I've never
01:23:10
lost anyone super I've lost friends to
01:23:12
cancer and suicide unfortunately but
01:23:13
I've never lost um both my parents are
01:23:15
still alive and I've never lost anyone
01:23:17
that's really close to me but I yeah I'm
01:23:19
probably projecting in that um yeah I
01:23:21
can't imagine like how difficult it is
01:23:22
to start start a new relationship and
01:23:24
the guilt you feel or even though it's
01:23:26
what your your former partner would want
01:23:29
it's a really good try but I'm not going
01:23:31
to answer the question no not not trying
01:23:34
it all a good point but yeah as I say I
01:23:36
mean yeah I just um I just like to keep
01:23:40
something for me yeah and and and and
01:23:43
and that's my private life you know like
01:23:45
you know all my
01:23:47
friendships uh with you know a lot of
01:23:50
them are with really high-profile people
01:23:51
and like you know I mean I don't think
01:23:54
ever done an interview without talking
01:23:56
about JK or MAA you know um you know um
01:24:01
or dropping fitsy in there or whatever
01:24:03
and these are my friends you know so
01:24:04
that part of my life is really public
01:24:06
you know um and um but um yeah and then
01:24:11
and there's part I just like to keep for
01:24:12
me what about a book one day a ret a
01:24:15
book like every every um question or
01:24:18
topic that anyone throws at you there's
01:24:19
a good yarn behind it yeah funny you
01:24:22
thought about that you've been offered I
01:24:23
um I uh when I was in New York I had
01:24:27
Andy Ellis with me he's a great BL and
01:24:31
he was getting so sick of my stories
01:24:33
it's like oh man don't give us another
01:24:35
the Yar of the All Blacks from the 89
01:24:38
tour or something like that and then I
01:24:41
had the um one of their players
01:24:44
Jory who's a New Zealand multiplayer
01:24:47
came to my
01:24:48
house and then Andy popped in and by the
01:24:50
time Andy popped in I had you know
01:24:52
showing him zenam Brook videos and Good
01:24:54
The Bad and The rugby and stuff like
01:24:55
that poor old jaay was so um yeah I
01:24:59
don't know I think
01:25:02
um I mean the thing is I'm only halfway
01:25:05
through you know so um maybe maybe at
01:25:08
one stage but you wouldn't want to write
01:25:11
a book now and then do something great
01:25:12
next week
01:25:14
so I I think um someone asked me you
01:25:18
know you go back that question at the
01:25:20
top about what
01:25:22
next what I want to do next is I want to
01:25:24
do something that's really really great
01:25:27
you know I just really want to um I
01:25:29
don't know what it is but um I want to I
01:25:32
just want to keep getting better I just
01:25:35
want to so I I I don't want to try and
01:25:39
match what I've done before I just want
01:25:40
to do something better oh man I love
01:25:42
that attitude so much um yeah I feel
01:25:45
like a lot of people can can think
01:25:47
you're done think that you're over the
01:25:48
Apex and uh and that's it because you're
01:25:50
in your 60s but um only you can
01:25:52
determine that yeah could bring bring
01:25:55
Sugar Shack back in nice yeah learn
01:25:58
learn from the mistakes the first time
01:25:59
around oh one thing I forgot so yeah the
01:26:01
um the Rugby World Cup last year what
01:26:02
was your involvement you like a a
01:26:04
Content guy no so um yeah so I spent all
01:26:09
that time with rby New York which
01:26:12
greatest city in the world what a what a
01:26:14
um what an opportunity for me to live in
01:26:17
New York and and work and um and I
01:26:21
probably I probably learned more about
01:26:23
sports
01:26:25
marketing and fan engagement and how to
01:26:27
connect fans in in three or four years
01:26:30
there than I did in 30 years here I mean
01:26:32
they're just incredible yeah I was I was
01:26:34
like taking to school every day and the
01:26:36
thing about New York too is if you don't
01:26:39
bring your aame you just get crushed and
01:26:41
so you just got to have your aame all
01:26:43
the time even crossing the road um but
01:26:47
um yeah so I I made the decision so I
01:26:50
did four seasons one of whom got shut
01:26:53
short uh shut down because of Co and I I
01:26:56
made the decision at the beginning of
01:26:57
last year that that would be my last
01:26:58
season and then um uh they reached out
01:27:02
to me to see whether I'd um make some
01:27:05
content around the All Blacks for the
01:27:06
World Cup and initially I wasn't that
01:27:09
King cuz I was like I sort of been done
01:27:11
that but then I was like yeah I wouldn't
01:27:13
mind I hadn't made content for a long
01:27:14
time and so
01:27:17
um I said to them I said who am I
01:27:20
working with and they said well we'
01:27:21
we've only got one person so far and
01:27:23
it's Andy ell I was like oh my God I
01:27:25
just had him in living upstairs for 3
01:27:29
years or whatever two years in New York
01:27:30
you know it's like I've adopted him um
01:27:33
but he's brilliant so it was good to
01:27:35
work with him and then I brought in um
01:27:38
George B who was um injured prop you
01:27:42
know from the Crusaders new or blacks
01:27:43
and I didn't really know but i' I'd seen
01:27:47
something on social looked all right and
01:27:48
I thought I could work with him and then
01:27:50
and then Stacy Walker who I'd always
01:27:52
liked on on TV and um and a couple of
01:27:55
others um LJ from Wales and and Elma
01:28:00
from South Africa and we um we did this
01:28:04
thing called the front row show so we
01:28:06
had to make I think we made like 12
01:28:08
minutes a day for 50 five days in a row
01:28:11
or something wow that's a lot of content
01:28:13
yeah it was a real challenge but
01:28:15
um um once I got into it I really
01:28:18
enjoyed it it was just good to reconnect
01:28:20
good good way me reconnecting with New
01:28:22
Zealand again even though I was in
01:28:24
France
01:28:25
um so it was good fun and um and we did
01:28:28
some good stuff yeah God hell of a
01:28:30
tournament too you must have been
01:28:31
pleased when you were over there like
01:28:33
with that when was The Island Game was
01:28:34
that quarterfinal can you believe it I
01:28:37
went to every game by The Island Game I
01:28:39
had Co got up in the morning and I was
01:28:41
like of the Irish game and I'm like oh I
01:28:43
don't feel too well I do a covid test
01:28:45
and I like no wonder I can't so I was I
01:28:47
I spent that week in my room but um yeah
01:28:51
it was it was a good tournament it's
01:28:52
it's good my my favorite
01:28:55
World Cup I reckon would be the 95 World
01:28:57
Cup and so that was an incredible
01:28:59
tournament and I really like um not sure
01:29:02
why but I really like the 2015
01:29:04
tournament in in England in the UK that
01:29:06
we won I thought that was a fantastic
01:29:08
tournament oh Richie last game yeah just
01:29:10
it was a really really well-run good
01:29:13
crowds um had a really good Buzz about
01:29:15
it and and the 87 World Cup was just
01:29:18
brilliant I mean people forget that the
01:29:20
first game you know when JK scored that
01:29:22
TR against Italy um
01:29:24
I think there was like 170,000 people
01:29:26
there it was like a midweek game and it
01:29:28
was raining and it was shitty and they
01:29:30
they they did a little um opening
01:29:34
ceremony with Walker Nathan running out
01:29:36
and Chile just slipping over in the rain
01:29:38
and stuff like that but um um it was it
01:29:41
was it was really interesting to watch
01:29:42
it unfold because no the the Six Nations
01:29:46
didn't want a World Cup and they
01:29:48
eventually got talked into it so
01:29:50
starting that it was you know like
01:29:51
starting the Sports Cafe I mean they no
01:29:53
one had a clue what it was going to look
01:29:55
like M and uh and it really built
01:29:57
momentum during the World Cup um because
01:30:00
of the way the or blacks were playing
01:30:01
and there was some exciting games so I
01:30:03
enjoyed the 87 World Cup but um yeah and
01:30:07
and uh I was enjoying the last one until
01:30:10
the last 10 minutes oh it was good
01:30:12
though any any same as the um the uh the
01:30:15
other one we were talking about the 95
01:30:16
one any any any final where it's a close
01:30:19
game I think that's all you can ask for
01:30:20
right yeah yeah you can ask for the ones
01:30:23
that you win but that were good no I
01:30:25
mean I mean I've always enjoyed New
01:30:27
Zealand South Africa clashes so um you
01:30:29
know being old and being brought up on
01:30:31
that stuff um been amazing and and and
01:30:35
and it you know was it was an it was
01:30:37
funny cuz I'm sitting in the stands
01:30:39
watching the final and um there's these
01:30:43
Six South Africans and you know not
01:30:45
quiet people when they're at a rugby
01:30:47
game no very and and um and I can't help
01:30:51
myself so I just dropping a little smart
01:30:53
ass comment and I thought they were
01:30:54
going to kill me and then I you know I
01:30:58
got half them on side against the other
01:31:01
half and then so we're talking at half
01:31:03
time and they're like oh we're such and
01:31:05
such and we play cricket and blah blah
01:31:07
blah blah blah and they're like do you
01:31:09
know gr Elliott and I'm like yep
01:31:12
[ __ ] you don't know Grand Elliott I
01:31:14
I know Grand Elliot ring him so they
01:31:16
ring
01:31:17
him on a video check do you know this
01:31:19
guy hey it's
01:31:22
Rick that's New Zealand we all know it's
01:31:24
amazing it's amazing so talking to Grand
01:31:27
at half time um cuz they play cricket
01:31:29
with them in South Africa unreal yeah
01:31:31
hey that's been um 90 90 minutes of your
01:31:34
time do you enjoy doing things like this
01:31:35
you enjoy reflecting or you you're too
01:31:37
busy looking forward to what's next No I
01:31:39
um I enjoy it I I as I say I'm really
01:31:41
grateful I'm really grateful because for
01:31:44
everything I've done someone's given me
01:31:45
that opportunity you know whether it's
01:31:47
the guys at sky or you know Jeff with
01:31:49
the book or um you know someone said you
01:31:53
know you can do this
01:31:55
um sometimes I've had to bash the door
01:31:57
down a little bit but um and and just be
01:32:00
a bit pushy I mean when we did the
01:32:02
Matthew Ridge documentary
01:32:04
um uh the people at TZ didn't want it
01:32:08
and um so I went to John mccre who was
01:32:11
running TV2 and he said look just make
01:32:13
it on your credit card I'll get it
01:32:14
sorted while you're away and so I came
01:32:17
back and I had like 50 Grand on my
01:32:19
credit card and um my God they could
01:32:23
have easily gone no we don't want it um
01:32:26
but they said yeah yeah and they clean
01:32:28
my credit card I didn't get paid a cent
01:32:29
for it um but I got a clean credit card
01:32:33
and this was like late 80s so 50 Grand
01:32:35
is 50 Grand is a house um so um yeah I'm
01:32:39
just really grateful I'm just really
01:32:41
grateful that
01:32:43
um you know people just believed in me
01:32:46
enough to give me an opportunity to to
01:32:48
be creative and um you're the same
01:32:51
that's all you want you just when you're
01:32:54
creative you just want to be able to
01:32:55
create and someone's got to pay for it
01:32:58
and someone's got to put it on for an
01:33:00
audience you know so um you know my
01:33:04
job's to create but someone else got to
01:33:05
pay for it and someone else got to put
01:33:07
on an audience I mean it's a bit
01:33:08
different now like you're doing this
01:33:10
here so I think that's really exciting I
01:33:13
think it's a really exciting move for
01:33:15
people now is that they can create their
01:33:18
own shows they're not stuck by going to
01:33:20
have to pitch to a
01:33:21
broadcaster but but it's more
01:33:23
competitive than it's ever been like so
01:33:25
you're trying to get an audience on
01:33:27
YouTube where the greatest collection of
01:33:30
content of all time lives so um so it's
01:33:34
competitive but if you can find your
01:33:35
Niche it's just brilliant it's what a
01:33:37
what a great time to you know I
01:33:41
mean when we when we did Sports Capo I
01:33:44
had to buy a studio you know when we did
01:33:46
it at a bar and it cost
01:33:48
me 800 900 Grand to buy a studio you
01:33:51
know and I just backed myself that we
01:33:54
would stay on air long enough to pay it
01:33:56
off so it took about 5 years six years
01:33:59
to pay it off um oh my God but um but
01:34:04
now you know you know for a fraction of
01:34:06
that you know you're able to put a show
01:34:09
together you know and how exciting is
01:34:10
that yeah it's great I yeah I mean no
01:34:12
one knows where the where the future of
01:34:13
media is going to go but I just feel
01:34:15
like it's going to be in micro audiences
01:34:17
so instead of having like TV 1 TV 2 TV3
01:34:20
with big fat audiences it's just going
01:34:22
to be far more fragmented yeah yeah and
01:34:25
like having been there when it was easy
01:34:27
you know where if you put something on
01:34:28
TV one and everyone watched it um to to
01:34:32
you know making content for the All
01:34:33
Blacks where it's competitive um but you
01:34:37
just need enough I I always think that
01:34:40
um when you make something if three or
01:34:43
four people tell you they love it then
01:34:45
then you're on to something yeah you can
01:34:47
build from that yeah that's all you need
01:34:49
just that snuff of success just three or
01:34:51
four people and not your family all
01:34:53
right Rex so it's been um I I I feel
01:34:55
like I know you particularly well from
01:34:57
years and years of of um you know TV um
01:35:00
but I do think this is the first time
01:35:01
we've met but I've um thoroughly loved
01:35:03
sitting down and picking your brains
01:35:04
it's been a real honor and I I can't
01:35:06
thank you enough for the opportunity oh
01:35:07
it's been fun mate I already enjoyed it
01:35:09
nothing better than talking about myself
01:35:11
no I love your work love the modesty and
01:35:13
I genuinely can't wait to see what you
01:35:14
do next yeah me too yeah good luck with
01:35:16
the new replacement all right thanks
01:35:18
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mate
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