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Escape Runners only with dime Harley
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's only with dom Harvey and Dean lonigan
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g'day mate how are you yeah fantastic
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thank you so much for coming over no
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problems it's fair to say haven't done
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too much running of late you're looking
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like a Scandinavian racing sardines and
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I'm looking like a fairly bloated
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pump that way or maybe oh you're being
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too hard on yourself what is um first of
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all thanks for coming over I had I told
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some people you were coming over and
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they said oh what's he selling or what's
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he promoting I said no nothing he just
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agreed to agreed to come over is that a
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reputation you have oh I'm assuming it
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is you know by Nature I think I'm a
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Salesman and we I sell stuff for a
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living that's what I've been doing for
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the last sort of 30 or 40 years and at
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the moment we're in the business of
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selling boxing and we're we're
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re-establishing ourselves back here in
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New Zealand we've got some stuff coming
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up but I'll talk about anything you want
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to talk about Dominus you're uh you
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asked me over I have no idea what the
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agenda is so we'll just roll with it
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well there's there's no agenda this is
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just um basically to unpack your
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fascinating life I've always found you a
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fascinating dude I promise you it's not
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that fascinating especially when you sit
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in the middle of it so
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um first of all yeah the podcast is
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called Runners only what what is your
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relationship with running do you run at
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all not anymore Once Upon a Time
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obviously uh when I was a young fellow I
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aspired to be a professional a football
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player which I sort of managed to
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achieve on a semi-professional basis and
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used to do quite a bit of obviously
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training like predominantly short stuff
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but uh you know with a benefit of time
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and looking at the times when I achieved
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the most I did them in sport uh the
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longer distance was definitely the way
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to go to get a base and the sport that
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we participate in now in boxing and we
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don't participate we organize all boxes
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if you want to be good they have to get
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out and do the miles on the road in the
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morning five six miles or whatever that
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equates to in case gives them a good
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base running for 45 minutes to half hour
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sorry 45 minutes to an hour and that
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that provides the base for what they do
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but yeah certainly a long time ago I
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used to do it I get out and I walk you
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know and I've got to get out and move
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more and walk more I'm probably about 20
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kilos overweight so I've got 20 to lose
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so I'm working on it
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um yeah the distance you were talking
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about that's probably the best Pad like
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10ks and uh I know like Tyson Fury and
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Joe Parker those guys do that most
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mornings and David nikau who is in
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Australia in similar location to where
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you've been he's um he's a demon isn't
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he runs super he's an outstanding
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athlete you just got to get his shirt
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off to see
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is that he's he's cut he's very much in
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the uh he could be a male model quite
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easily yeah ridiculously good looking
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and what I can't believe I think he's
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about six foot three six foot four and
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he fights a Cruiserweight which is about
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91.5 kilos how he gets down to that
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weight is beyond me because he is all
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muscle so I can only imagine he's got
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fairly light bones so God knows what
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reason and he must have reasonably
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skinny legs because he's just he's built
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like a brick [ __ ] house up top so and he
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is an exceptional boxer uh he's going to
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be a great New Zealand Talent yeah
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phenomenal and you you're back in New
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Zealand because the the fight for life's
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coming back oh at some stage I'm sure
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we'll be announcing that but we come
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back here uh we had a contract Liam and
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my son we run a company called DNL
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events which stands for Dean and Liam
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it's very clever I never would have
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guessed it short to the point
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um and you I tell you what when people
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are taking down your email addresses you
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have to spell it out them letter by
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letter by letter because it's actually
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not that easy strangely enough and they
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look it looks like dandel events but
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it's not but um we had a contract with
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Fox Sports I think for seven and a half
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eight years and unfortunately that come
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to a conclusion December 31 and so we've
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still got a stable of fantastic New
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Zealand boxes uh and Andre mccailovich
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is is one who's a middleweight he's
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probably the greatest middleweight
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Prospect this country's ever seen we've
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got Jerome pampalone and they're both
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world rated guys and we're looking to do
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a deal and maybe put some stuff on with
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a young lady called miyamatu who was
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quite Sensational she uh she's capable
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of fighting for a world title so we've
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got some really great New Zealand talent
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and we've currently got the only male
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world champion in Australia a guy called
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Jaya Pattaya Jay is without doubt the
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toughest man I've seen in my entire life
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and I I would say he's probably the
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toughest Combat Sports sports athlete on
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the planet he fought in a world title uh
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July 2 last year on the Gold Coast and
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he fought the number one guy in the
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division a guy called Morris breedus he
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broke his jaw Joy broke his jaw in the
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first two rounds of the fight so he had
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to fight 10 Rounds with a broken jaw but
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then and I was right ringside when I saw
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this he broke it on the second side
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um in around 10. so his whole Jewel for
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two rounds was literally flopping around
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in the breeze and I I should can you
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imagine the intense Agony every time you
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get even a light gray he couldn't talk
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afterwards he was just an immense pain
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but to be able to still walk forward
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like he was taking shots on the chin
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biting down on his jaw and it was just
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flopping he said it was like bite into a
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mouthful of marbles and like he he
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couldn't hold the jaw together but he
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still kept fighting but I don't know
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anything like that I'd be so mad at my
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corner for not throwing Talent well I
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think I'd go over there and grab that
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towel myself to be fair Joy Joy would
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have been gutted if they did that
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because his his goal is mate he this is
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what he does for a living he's always
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wanted to be world champion he got his
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chance and he is the greatest advocate
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for
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um how do you get over pain and
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adversity this is a guy who had a broken
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hand for five years so he's a South poor
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and his left hand is power weapon he
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couldn't fully land that because it was
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broken for five years and he kept
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fighting and didn't tell anyone because
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he needed the money
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this is a guy who probably started
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boxing age eight or ten went to the
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Olympics was selected for the Olympics
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for Australia when he was 16 fought when
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he was 17 one of the youngest boxers to
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ever go to the Olympics
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um got his chance at a world title and
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nothing was going to take that chance
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away from him no matter what broken jaw
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he actually broke his ribs a month
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before the fight and Rib injuries I
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don't know if you've ever had them done
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but I fractured as well that's excrucia
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they are excruciating well he it not
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only broke it separated crossed over
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another rib and ripped all the rib
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cartilage off and Rib cartilages are the
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most painful injury you can ever have
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and normally these things are take two
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three months minimum he was fighting six
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weeks later he did the injury on a
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Thursday had surgery on it on a Sunday
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and about a week and a half later it was
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back in nearly full training his
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tolerance of pain is through the roof
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and I can't
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everything you see on Conor McGregor on
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the outside and how angry and tough he
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looks that's what Joy's got on the
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inside and uh watch out for him he's
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something very very special I've never
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seen anything like him and uh Liam and
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herself think he's going to be something
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special okay now this is the funny thing
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this Joy guy that you mentioned and all
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those kiwi Fighters hand on heart I've
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never heard of any of them but you and
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your son do such a phenomenal job like
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promoting these people like you you
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should have made Joseph Parker a
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household name well we worked with
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Joseph yeah all we did was provide him
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the platform and Joe took advantage of
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it by doing what he did which is win
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fights the reason why you haven't heard
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a lot of Andre michaelovich and miyamadu
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and and Jerome pampalone is simply
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because we've been over in Australia and
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these guys have been fighting over there
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so our job over the next 12 months is to
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blow these people up because they are
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seriously world-class they're all
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they're coached by a guy called Isaac
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Peach who's a hardcore heavily tattooed
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West aucklander who lives out in West
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Auckland but in my opinion he's a
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Bastion of world-class Excellence he
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really knows what he's doing when it
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comes to boxing he's he's got a world
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champion where he's got a guy called
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David light's going to fight for a World
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Championship uh I think March 25 in
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England against Lauren sir Cole who's a
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WBO World Cruiserweight Champion he's
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got miyamadu he's got
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um he's got uh
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um Andre michaelovich and Jerome pamplon
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that's fascinating about all these
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Fighters he's had them all for about
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four years or more none of them have
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lost yet
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he is just an incredible uh boxing
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trainer and I think you're going to see
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some big things out of him and over the
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next sort of couple of years you're
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going to start seeing New Zealand boxing
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you know come to the four again Joe
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Parker's going to keep what do it Joe
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does I think Joe's an exceptional Talent
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mate I think he could go back to a
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heavyweight title at some stage he's not
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that far away from it kiwis can be very
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critical if they don't see amazing
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performances every time someone steps
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out yeah it's terrible thing it is a
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little bit but you know what the fact is
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that they care enough to have an opinion
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and you'd rather have people who've got
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an opinion good bad or otherwise and
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people not have an opinion and not
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knowing who they are yeah that's true
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um right enough about other people let's
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talk about you Dean lonigan so you um so
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you you became famous like in the late
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1980s uh early 90s playing um for the
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Kiwi League team I wouldn't quite say
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famous but I was interested involved in
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uh involved in back then there was no
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social media there's no fragmentation of
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media that I think there are only
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probably three or four TV channels going
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at the time and uh the kiwis played
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Australia I think in 1991 at Mel in
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Melbourne we hadn't won against the
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Aussies for a long long time and uh they
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had one of the all-time great teams that
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had the likes of Steve roach I think
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Wally Lewis and a number of other really
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high profile players and in 91 we went
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over there with a very unheralded young
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Underdog side I was part of that along
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with Clayton friend and Gary Freeman and
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Peter Brown and a whole lot of other
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guys and we managed to pull off a win
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and uh
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at the time I got knocked out probably
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10-15 minutes into the game I uh was
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this the one is this the one where you
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um you were like convulsing on the floor
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yeah right yeah I guess it was like a
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concussion a head knock yeah it very
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much was we um might still be on YouTube
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if anyone wants to look it up but it's
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it's sickening right well it's not great
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but we I was very very keen to put a big
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shot on roach because we'd played Stevie
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roach and we played Balmain early in the
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New Year early in the preseason uh
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Auckland rugby league played Balmain and
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one new roach was going to be in the
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side so we had a bit of a fracker in
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that game and I was very keen to put a
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big hit on him early on and you know try
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and intimidate him it was the dumbest
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thing I could have done because I ended
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up getting knocked out he ended up with
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about 20 stitches in his head I got
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knocked out and convulsed on the field I
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got carried off and came back on a
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little bit later
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yeah that was sort of the incident that
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blew us up and then I got a job on radio
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hierarchy after that right wait wait
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wait you are moving way too fast like
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this uh we need to digest this somewhat
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like the podcast will be over in four
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minutes so yes so you get knocked out
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it's sickening um I feel like this was a
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golden era for league and it was a time
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where yeah fights were still sort of
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encouraged and you know if you squirted
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some water on your head and came back on
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the field you were considered like like
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heroic in a way that wasn't the reason
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behind it right pretty much as I was
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being dragged off I could see George
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Mann who I'd played with in the Auckland
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team and I played against him in quite a
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few Club competitions George was warming
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up and I just thought man I've fought
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too hard for you to have the spots yours
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so as soon as I regained my George ran
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on and as soon as I regained my stuff I
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said to Bob on it Bob Bailey who's a
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coach this is mate I'm ready to go back
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on it was 10 or 15 minutes later so he
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threw me back on and I've only I've
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watched the game once and I know how do
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you feel when you watch it all right
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it's like somebody watching somebody
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else yeah but I know when I come back on
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if I'm staggering all over the place we
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managed to get through the first I don't
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remember much about the first half we've
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got we got through the game and we won
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the game and what's really interesting
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right is that you don't know what people
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are going to come into your life as a
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result of things like that and Liam and
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myself have been working in Australia
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for the last seven years and the
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commentator who called that game was a
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guy called Pat Walsh and Pat had gone on
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to be quite instrumental in uh in
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Channel 7 Brisbane and massive media
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context so Pat has been incredibly he
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remembered the game he remembered me
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from that game Pat Walsh has been he
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only just retired incredibly helpful
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toward for us in terms of connections
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all around Australia you know so it's
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just and those sort of connections they
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last for a very very long time so yeah
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it's quite it's quite interesting where
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where things end up and what you end up
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doing how many other times were you can
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cast I I couldn't tell you are you right
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now yeah I think so so my memory is not
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as good as it could be but then again
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most people well you're in your late 50s
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so that's yeah I'm 57 you know so but
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you know you look at guys overseas in
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Australia in particular and they've all
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got the fading memories like I think the
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Ray Price has got some issues I think
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Steve mortimer's got some issues
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dodge a bullet do you think well I
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finished quite young so that the the
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game that I got knocked out and I played
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one more test match after that and I
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might have had another five or six games
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after that then I finished up so I was
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only 26 when I finished rugby league and
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then I was lucky enough you know that I
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didn't think much of it at the time but
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I was lucky enough to get a job on radio
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hierarchy and I got to tell you Dom you
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did 25 years plus on radio yeah there is
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no doubt that in my opinion of all the
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media of anything you can do radio is
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the greatest job because you know I I
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wouldn't have done I never took it as
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seriously as you did as your career
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right and it was something I just
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stumbled into and just got lucky but um
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I got a job on radio hierarchy I used to
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do six to nine fine I'd turn up at five
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to six and I'd leave at nine o'clock
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you're part of a very successful show
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called the morning pirates with um was
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it Mark Perry and Leah Mark Perry and
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Leah we took what happened was that what
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sort of music was it a rock station
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classic rock to The Cutting Edge and
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made it we hierarchy at one stage it was
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very very popular in Auckland way back
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before the days of the fragmentation
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you've got now and you're all up and in
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the country and it was very very popular
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so how how did that um how did that
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career come about like were you just
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quote were you were you quite
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charismatic at aftermath speeches and
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stuff or you had another natural Flair
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for no I think what happened was uh I'd
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been on this show a couple of times
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because you had Phil Gifford and um I
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can't remember the other girl's name and
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Mark Perry was on the show and then I'd
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been in the studio a couple of times
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which was one of the local rugby league
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players and when I got knocked out
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obviously there's a bit of I was quite
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high profile and I
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yeah I was in the media a lot for a very
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short space of time but uh I ended up
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being quite good mates with some some of
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the radio guys Dan Boyle was in there
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and Mike Regal who was a program
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director and when um for whatever reason
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I think more FM Cam and poached Phil
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Gifford and I think it was Kathy at the
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time and they took them down to
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Christchurch so that's when Phil left so
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all of a sudden there was a space so
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they got me in for a few days to cover a
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few days turned to a couple of weeks a
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couple of weeks two to a couple of
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months and then a couple of months
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turned to I think I did seven years so
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it was just luck amazing I feel like you
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get bored of things too so seven years
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for you is a long time you know what I
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really enjoyed it radio is a lot of fun
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and do I get bored with stuff
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some maybe I don't know but I did enjoy
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radio and it's a great meeting to be
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part of and I'll tell you the perfect
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place to do radio would be Sydney London
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or New York where they get paid Millions
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to do it yeah because it's the world's
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easiest job and I know a lot of people
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you know a lot of people aspire to it
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and and and they should do and a lot of
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people are in there for their careers
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get all nervous about it and they do a
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lot of work and that's fantastic but I
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can only tell you how my experience and
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compared to bloody working 12-hour shift
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set at Coca-Cola driving forklifts and
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packing loads or being an offsider on
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trucks delivering Coca-Cola you know and
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then I was also I used to be a cleaner
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so I used to run three jobs yeah I used
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to run three jobs so when I first left
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school I went what you'd call to be an
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offsider on trucks so you help people
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deliver soft drinks right then I'd
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finish that and I'd come home and I'd do
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I was a cleaner at a school at my school
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I used to work at so I used to go to
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school at and then after that I would be
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at rugby league so effectively I had
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three jobs because I was getting paid
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for all three of them so it's a with
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money any good in Rugby League at that
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time yeah I was right yeah you know like
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so these jobs sort of LED before you
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were a professional player yeah a lot we
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were getting paid to play rugby league
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and it's all relevant right back then I
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remember I brought my first house as an
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investment was like 75 grand well when I
00:16:09
at the time I might have been making 50
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or 60 Grand a year before tax you know
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so it's very very easy to get into these
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things and when I was a young fella
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maybe 21 22 I remember having two or
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three houses you know so um it was a lot
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there's no doubt it was a lot easier
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back then compared to what you've seen
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now in average house prices are up over
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they're now coming back but yeah so and
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the opportunity to buy in was a lot
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easier unfortunately you know I was
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going to keep these houses and have 10
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or 20 by the time I'm 57 didn't quite
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work out that way
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ex I remember
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um just when I sort of left school and
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started in radio this would have been
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like 1990 I guess early 90s I'd come up
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to Auckland stay with my friend Robert
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Scott who's on the breeze now and
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because you guys were on 2xs together
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right that must have been a great place
00:16:54
to work because I've I'm on social media
00:16:57
it's one of the great things about
00:16:57
Facebook Facebook friends with a few
00:16:59
people and I always see this 2xs stuff
00:17:01
come up and people say what a great time
00:17:03
it was down in the manner with two in
00:17:04
Palmerston yeah
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for like really quite good radio talent
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for some reason yeah um but yeah I'd
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come up and stay with Robert and he
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lived in sarsfield Street and I'd point
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out your house really and I don't know
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if you were playing League at the time
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or maybe just started on radio but it's
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like one of the most expensive streets
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in Auckland now that it has probably
00:17:21
worth seven or eight metal it probably
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is and I wish I had to keep the bloody
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thing but yes I was in Southfield Street
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we were right down the bottom of it and
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it was a lovely it was amazing
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neighborhood yeah but like I said it's a
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lot easier to get back getting it back
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there what it is now and I think yeah I
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paid about a half a million bucks for
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that place whereas now it's like
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whatever it's worth and at the time it
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was a real stretch for me and you know
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and I was really I was being a wanker to
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be honest because we used to live in a
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place called wanganui Ave which is on
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the other side of uh Hoon Bay and I love
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her I love wanganui Ave but that was
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sort of the Southern slopes and all the
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knobs were on the other side of the uh
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the northern slopes and then my
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stupidity as a young fellow I thought it
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was a call to be with all the knobs but
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you know I should have stayed where we
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were it was a lot a lot less to get in
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there and make great place to live it's
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close to where we are now in the podcast
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space so um were you were you married at
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the time have you ever been married no
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so you so you you're um a father of one
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Liam and one thing that strikes me about
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you from my relationship with you is
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just how much your relationship with
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your son means to and I'm talking way
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back when you used to work in the same
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building as me and you'd come in and
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Liam was a young fella at the time and
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you always give them a shout out on the
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year using his middle names the whole
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lot that's yes I've got a mate of mine
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Leah I've got Leo Malloy who's Run for
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the mayor of Auckland always calls them
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lrd which is Liam Robert Daniels which
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is I always call them uh Liam Robert
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Daniel on here so yeah no it's you know
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we got Perfection on the first go
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there's no need there anymore
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so so Liam's mum and your ex her name is
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Julie Julie it is yes you were never
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married no we didn't marry but we're
00:19:01
still really good friends yeah you know
00:19:03
she's been an amazing mum and you know
00:19:05
she's a good friend of mine and I get
00:19:07
she's married now and I get on very very
00:19:10
well with her husband so yeah it's been
00:19:11
a while it's not never ideal it's been
00:19:14
as good as it could be I think when did
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when did you break up when Liam was
00:19:18
quite yes yeah Liam was on a young
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father maybe one what happened you want
00:19:21
to talk about no and not particularly
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it's not a period that I'm proud of I
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made a complete dick of myself on a
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number of occasions yes infidelity or
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yes but look there's a lot of water
00:19:34
under the bridge oh
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the answer is you're right and we all do
00:19:39
stupid we do it younger you can't you
00:19:41
can't hold that much killed in the same
00:19:43
quarter of a century later if I had my
00:19:46
chart if I had my time again you'd do
00:19:48
things way differently so yeah it's not
00:19:50
it's not a proud period of my life
00:19:52
wasn't it she forgiven you though oh
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yeah you need to forgive yourself well I
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probably have I just don't ever want to
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talk about right
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but you were I mean you were famous at
00:20:03
the time you know you were young you
00:20:05
were successful I suppose there was a
00:20:06
lot of they're not excusing your
00:20:08
behavior but there was a lot of
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Temptation
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it's really interesting you say famous
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right
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I don't kill anyone says you can't be
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famous in New Zealand there's five
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million people live here you might a
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whole lot of people might recognize you
00:20:21
when you go past but I once spend some
00:20:24
time with a guy called Mark Jackson and
00:20:26
Mark played in the AFL and he fought in
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one of my fight for life he was a real
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character a real character and he used
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to say you know these people of
00:20:35
Australia think they're [ __ ] famous
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they're not famous Frank Sinatra is
00:20:40
famous and I hung out with Frank Sinatra
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in the 70s you know what I mean like
00:20:43
these if Tom Cruise has got real Fame
00:20:45
yeah and it's true when you look at the
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likes of the Brad Pitt's and the Chris
00:20:49
rocks and the the rock and all these
00:20:51
different Arnold Schwarzenegger they're
00:20:52
really famous that's real Fame yeah the
00:20:54
stuff we have down here is just a few
00:20:56
people recognize you on the way through
00:20:58
and annoy the [ __ ] out here when you go
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out and you might you might have a drink
00:21:01
when you go out no I actually don't
00:21:04
drink milk milk and water's my drink of
00:21:06
choice yeah actually I I do want to get
00:21:08
to that well by the way I got you a
00:21:10
drink if you want to I've got your own
00:21:11
milk Dom actually would you believe this
00:21:13
with my current fat guts I need to stay
00:21:17
off the milk I love milk it would be my
00:21:19
favorite drink if I wanted to I could
00:21:21
drink four and five liters a day easily
00:21:23
but I choose not to because it's not
00:21:25
good for me yeah I went to see it like a
00:21:27
nutritionist years ago and she was like
00:21:29
oh you need to cut your coffee out you
00:21:31
know milk is used to fatten babies well
00:21:33
correct and it's not only milk is used
00:21:35
we use another species milk the cows to
00:21:39
feed us I don't know that it's overly
00:21:40
healthy but I do love the stuff better
00:21:42
yeah and that's one thing that struck me
00:21:45
about you always like if you're out at a
00:21:46
bar with you you'll have like a pint of
00:21:48
milk and it's like you'd be probably the
00:21:50
only person I know over the age of eight
00:21:51
that drinks milk is like a recreational
00:21:54
drink it's a very bizarre site so I
00:21:58
think you know like now I'm sitting
00:21:59
there with the milk we've actually I the
00:22:02
the late great Phil Kingsley Jones I
00:22:04
went to Wales with him and we were
00:22:05
searching for people to fight in one of
00:22:07
our fight for life one year and we and
00:22:09
Phil was a great guy a good just an
00:22:12
amazing character for anyone that
00:22:13
doesn't know Jonah lomey's manager he
00:22:15
was General but he was way more than
00:22:16
just that he was a personality in his
00:22:18
own right and he's a great speaker and
00:22:20
had great jokes but we went up to the uh
00:22:22
The Valleys of of Wales which is and
00:22:25
that's the coal mining area and I've got
00:22:27
to tell you I've never seen so many
00:22:30
rough hardcore women in all my life and
00:22:32
they all knew and loved Phil and one of
00:22:34
the piece of his ass back then but
00:22:37
um yes and he could not believe I'd send
00:22:39
him to the bar and he'd have to order
00:22:40
pints of milk yeah so yeah
00:22:43
um why have you never been married do
00:22:46
you think are you sorry just going back
00:22:48
to that are you better on your own or
00:22:49
you just never found the right person or
00:22:51
are you just busy focused on Career
00:22:54
stuff it's really interesting have you
00:22:55
been married yeah I'm well I'm still
00:22:57
legally married to JJ but we broke up
00:22:59
about five years ago yeah look I've had
00:23:01
some
00:23:03
significant relationships but haven't
00:23:05
quite got around to doing the Marion
00:23:06
thing and you know I
00:23:08
as you get older in life I think you can
00:23:11
reflect on a whole lot of things and you
00:23:12
go you know what maybe I was the problem
00:23:15
as opposed to them so as you get on in
00:23:19
life you go
00:23:21
yeah it's not uh and look I I live an
00:23:25
amazing situation at the moment which I
00:23:28
can't believe I'm in but I'm there and I
00:23:31
really enjoy it you know it's very cool
00:23:32
what is it what's the situation I live
00:23:34
with my I live with my mum and my sister
00:23:37
and I absolutely love it I'm telling you
00:23:40
right because I've been transient for
00:23:42
the last or leaving myself in particular
00:23:44
I've been transit for the last bloody um
00:23:46
the last probably five or six years
00:23:48
between here in Australia you know we
00:23:50
had an apartment over in Brisbane for
00:23:52
quite some time
00:23:53
and then uh we moved sort of down to the
00:23:56
Gold Coast and we come and we become a
00:23:58
little bit transient and one of the
00:23:59
things I I hate in life I just hate it
00:24:01
is moving house it is the worst it is
00:24:05
one of my pet hates and I've been a
00:24:07
transient for 30 40 years so uh yeah
00:24:11
that's the hell is your mum now you're
00:24:12
in your late 50s my mom's
00:24:15
77. that's nice and your dad's still
00:24:18
alive as well yeah you should I had 79
00:24:20
dead Deads and they're both incredibly
00:24:24
fit and healthy like all the mum's
00:24:26
um brothers and sisters one brother died
00:24:28
young but they all lived to a ripe old
00:24:30
age you know the older sister got to 92
00:24:33
I think and so I expect mum's got a few
00:24:36
more uh
00:24:37
miles left on the tires getting dad's
00:24:40
dad still he lives in waiki Island
00:24:41
trains three times a week and very very
00:24:44
strong still well it looks a lot like
00:24:47
you to be honest Fitness wise so he does
00:24:49
a lot of weight training and and
00:24:51
exercising and the Germany's been doing
00:24:52
it for 20 25 years and Dad's committed
00:24:54
no matter what happens to get into a
00:24:56
hundred so you know which is it's a
00:24:58
pretty good goal to have that's a great
00:24:59
goal so
00:25:01
wow is it that seems like a weird
00:25:04
dynamic living with him so your sister's
00:25:06
a similar age you know 50. my sister is
00:25:08
uh she's four years younger than me
00:25:10
she's 53 and my mother's they brought a
00:25:13
house together going back probably 20
00:25:15
years ago and then they sold that house
00:25:17
and they brought a really really big
00:25:19
house so we live in a big house it's
00:25:21
like three stories high and I sort of
00:25:23
have commandeed the middle level mum has
00:25:25
the bottom level and my sister has the
00:25:26
top level okay so you're not all three
00:25:28
of you are sitting on the sofa it's a
00:25:31
big house
00:25:33
I've got to get the situation sorted out
00:25:35
I can promise you that you know like
00:25:37
I've got some land up in taupaki that I
00:25:39
need to um I need to get a house on at
00:25:42
some stage but uh yeah I I just feel
00:25:44
like you're not a not overly
00:25:45
materialistic were you materialistic
00:25:47
before you lost your fortune and that's
00:25:49
that's such that's a big understatement
00:25:51
I was very very committed to when I was
00:25:53
a young fella and I was going to be done
00:25:55
and dusted by 30 or 40 you know I
00:25:57
retired yeah retired and doing nothing
00:25:59
and made millions and you know
00:26:01
unfortunate I've had ups and downs yeah
00:26:05
I want to get into the seat you have
00:26:08
your radio career which is very
00:26:09
successful then you get out of there
00:26:12
never we had a great time but never made
00:26:14
huge money out of it got paid okay yeah
00:26:16
but enjoyed it immensely but never like
00:26:19
you were rooming at one stage to be on
00:26:21
300 000 plus a year which is brilliant
00:26:23
money
00:26:24
oh yeah yeah a bit more but more than
00:26:26
that especially if you get the kpis
00:26:28
there you go um which is if you're doing
00:26:30
radio and a three-hour shift and I know
00:26:32
you probably prepped a lot more and
00:26:33
you're turning yeah I took it way too
00:26:35
seriously you turn up at four and you go
00:26:38
you know then you're prepping afterwards
00:26:39
you've got to do that if you're going to
00:26:40
be paid the big money yeah
00:26:42
um but you also got to enjoy it along
00:26:44
the way and I've got to tell you some of
00:26:45
the people I got to do to to work with
00:26:48
like the absolute highlights like Leah
00:26:50
panapa um she's still a great mate we
00:26:52
went out to lunch just recently Nathan
00:26:54
rarely I was very lucky to be on air
00:26:56
with Nathan Nathan's real strength on
00:26:59
radio and this is very rare his real
00:27:02
strength was the same guy turned up
00:27:04
every single day and was pleasant and
00:27:07
was a nice guy and he's just such a good
00:27:09
guy to deal with and you would know this
00:27:11
Dom over the years
00:27:13
you want consistency whereas you know
00:27:16
some people in radio they come up they
00:27:18
might have different things are
00:27:19
happening in their lives and they're all
00:27:21
over the place which it happens because
00:27:22
they're creative talented people and uh
00:27:25
mate he was uh Nathan was amazing you
00:27:27
know and we got luckily got to talk with
00:27:29
Ian Smith as well who I think is one of
00:27:32
the all-time great Cricket commentators
00:27:34
no anywhere in the world his
00:27:36
commentaries over the years there'll be
00:27:37
nothing short of stunning and I'm
00:27:39
saddened to see he's not working with
00:27:40
Skye anymore yeah so that you're talking
00:27:42
about that's when I got to meet you so
00:27:44
you um you you lost all your money with
00:27:47
the circus thing yeah so you got back
00:27:48
into radio
00:27:50
we're gonna we'll backtrack and we'll
00:27:52
get into that but when you're working
00:27:54
with um Nathan and Smithy I remember
00:27:57
this clearly we're in the same building
00:27:58
and it was um all the radio stations
00:28:00
faced this internal Courtyard and you'd
00:28:02
be I don't know how many voice breaks
00:28:03
you did on here but you're wander around
00:28:04
the courtyard on your phone all [ __ ]
00:28:06
morning and then Nathan would tell me
00:28:08
stories that um I think you were
00:28:10
contracted to where to wait 30 or 9 A.M
00:28:12
and he said 9 aim on the dot if in the
00:28:15
middle of an interview or something and
00:28:16
Dana would just give him the thumbs up
00:28:18
like
00:28:19
let me take the headphones off and set a
00:28:20
tiptoe out
00:28:22
oh
00:28:24
that was more out of necessity like when
00:28:27
I when we I did about seven years I
00:28:29
think on radio Herrick you know I think
00:28:31
about seven or maybe eight years I think
00:28:33
it was radio what was it called live
00:28:35
talk spot lifestyle live Sport and I got
00:28:38
a call out of the blue from Brent Impe
00:28:40
and Brent had been instrumental in me
00:28:42
getting the job already howicky Brent as
00:28:44
it turns out uh he's a Bastion of New
00:28:46
Zealand broadcasting has been wonderful
00:28:48
to me
00:28:49
in my all through my life to be honest
00:28:52
my adult life because he he got me the
00:28:54
job on he was chairman of the board or I
00:28:56
think he was a CEO of the company when I
00:28:58
got on radio hierarchy then he was sort
00:29:00
of really high up in the radio industry
00:29:02
when I got given this job already alive
00:29:04
or live Sport and he also on a number of
00:29:07
occasions put my Fight For Life on TV
00:29:09
three you know and I've had subsequent
00:29:11
conversations with the Rugby Union about
00:29:13
all sorts of things and Brent's been a
00:29:14
conduit to get me in there so he's been
00:29:16
very very good to me that's great I'm
00:29:19
very very uh appreciative of the support
00:29:21
that I've always had from from bimpy
00:29:23
unfortunately he's retired or
00:29:25
fortunately he's retired now he's on a
00:29:26
few boards but he was certainly good to
00:29:28
me and my broadcast yeah likewise as
00:29:30
well actually great great man so okay so
00:29:33
you you leave radio helodecki is that
00:29:34
when you start the fight for life is
00:29:36
that when you bring the fight for life
00:29:37
like corporate boxing to New Zealand
00:29:39
feels like it's such a big thing now
00:29:40
even the non-televisions yeah like I
00:29:43
think around 2000 right maybe even just
00:29:46
before 2000.
00:29:51
oh yeah yeah no that's right no you did
00:29:53
right so I at when I left radio hauraki
00:29:56
no I was I was at Radio hierarchy I
00:29:59
finished Rugby League at probably 26 and
00:30:01
I had played at the Canberra Raiders got
00:30:03
a phone call out of the blue from Tim
00:30:04
machine says look we'd love to bring the
00:30:06
camber Raiders over to play in a local
00:30:08
game and I said yeah that'll be fine
00:30:11
so I did a joint venture with radio
00:30:14
hierarchy who I was working with at the
00:30:15
time this is sort of the start of my
00:30:16
entrepreneurial career I'd only been out
00:30:18
of rugby league for about a year maybe
00:30:19
less and um we put this game on Auckland
00:30:23
versus this is way before the Warriors
00:30:25
this is like 1991. so we put this game
00:30:27
on Auckland versus uh the Canberra
00:30:30
Raiders and they were the hottest thing
00:30:31
at the time you know you had Mel meninga
00:30:33
he had Laurie Daley Bradley Clyde you
00:30:35
had at least 10 to 15 bloody people who
00:30:40
played for Australia and New Zealand or
00:30:42
you know state of origin it was a big
00:30:43
big so it was a big we sold the thing
00:30:45
out and made it we made a couple hundred
00:30:47
grand and I took a hundred and Harrogate
00:30:50
took 100 and I thought at the time geez
00:30:52
this is better than playing footy so
00:30:54
that's we concentrated on doing for the
00:30:56
next sort of two or three years and then
00:30:57
I got tied up Kevin Barry came up for me
00:31:00
said look I've got this really hot young
00:31:01
heavyweight David tour I don't know much
00:31:04
about promotion do you want to help out
00:31:05
so I helped him put on the first David
00:31:07
tour fight and uh just singing spiraled
00:31:10
from there and eventually we got to a
00:31:11
thing called fight for life and what had
00:31:12
happened with that a friend of mine who
00:31:15
used to work I think in a media works
00:31:17
called Peter Spears a sales rep in there
00:31:20
and he's a good Maid of mine and his
00:31:22
house had burnt down and he had no
00:31:23
insurance so we put together a little
00:31:25
fight night there's I fought on it Spiro
00:31:27
fought on it my mate Mark bournville
00:31:29
fought on it and we got a few mates
00:31:30
together and we we raised some money for
00:31:33
him to give him some money for his house
00:31:34
so we raised about 50 Grand and made it
00:31:37
was like walking on ears one of the
00:31:39
greatest things I've ever done is like I
00:31:40
don't drugs are not my go but I can tell
00:31:43
you if drugs make you feel as good as
00:31:45
this you'd be on them all the time
00:31:46
because it was just a real highlight and
00:31:48
it was just to do something for a bloke
00:31:50
anyway one thing leads to another and
00:31:52
there's a place called yellow ribbon
00:31:53
Marco Marinkovic was at that event I
00:31:55
think
00:31:56
and he said would you do that for us I
00:31:58
said yes sweet but we gotta we'll try
00:32:00
and raise you a million bucks and we've
00:32:01
got to get it on TV and we'll use rugby
00:32:03
league players he said sweet so he gave
00:32:05
me full license to do what we did I that
00:32:07
first year I did it for nothing
00:32:08
and we raised about half a million bucks
00:32:11
and we ended up with the number one
00:32:12
rating show on TV three and it just yeah
00:32:15
just it spiraled from there yeah so is
00:32:17
that is that how I started so you're
00:32:18
doing like league players fighting rugby
00:32:20
players
00:32:21
yeah the clash of the codes and we had
00:32:24
some real Legends yeah you know for
00:32:25
those who are old enough to remember we
00:32:27
had Mark Graham and buck shelford and
00:32:29
there I had uh
00:32:31
um Mark bournville who the horse who
00:32:33
went on to become really amazing and
00:32:34
fight for life and Stevie McDowell we
00:32:37
had Mel meninga fought with Kevin
00:32:38
borovich so yeah there's a it was a big
00:32:40
deal to us at the time and it was a lot
00:32:41
of fun to do it so when did you when did
00:32:43
you broaden it and get into a like other
00:32:45
sort of mainstream celebrity started or
00:32:48
mainstream celebrities that just sort of
00:32:50
continued on for quite some time and
00:32:52
then um
00:32:53
we tuned into more of an entertainment
00:32:55
event you know I think we need like
00:32:56
dwarfs and yeah well no that was sort of
00:32:58
the second alliteration I used to bring
00:33:01
in these really cool acts you know like
00:33:03
we'd have motorbikes doing backflips
00:33:05
over the boxing ring and we'd have uh
00:33:07
we'd have got you know motorcycle foot
00:33:09
juggling X coming in where we had all
00:33:12
these acts and I thought oh wouldn't it
00:33:14
be a good idea if we took all these acts
00:33:16
out of fight for life and put them into
00:33:17
a circus and that was probably the
00:33:19
dumbest thing I ever did in my life but
00:33:21
you're you're like you're a risk taker
00:33:22
so you don't know it's a dumb thing
00:33:23
until you got the benefit of hindsight
00:33:25
so the you so you took a big bath on
00:33:27
this one this year yeah we dropped in
00:33:29
one year uh I'd done a number of things
00:33:32
it wasn't that smart so one I put the
00:33:35
circus on I lost about a million bucks
00:33:37
on that
00:33:38
I'd brought I I'd sold off previously
00:33:41
half my company to a couple of guys and
00:33:43
they were good guys and I brought them
00:33:45
out of the company and I had some issues
00:33:47
around tax I was about 1.8 million
00:33:49
dollars in debt and I had no assets to
00:33:51
back it nothing so what happened to
00:33:54
those houses we talked about it well you
00:33:56
know you sell things as you go and you
00:33:58
make mistakes you get separated and you
00:34:00
make sure people are looked after all
00:34:02
that sort of stuff so you know like I've
00:34:03
made
00:34:05
if I could make some changes in my life
00:34:07
it'd be the slow accumulation of assets
00:34:09
right I got mates of mine who had very
00:34:12
long-term plans and they've done very
00:34:14
very well just out of slow accumulation
00:34:16
so that's my advice to all you Risk
00:34:18
Takers out there it's fantastic Throwing
00:34:20
It All into one and you know having a
00:34:22
crack but I suggest you just out the
00:34:24
back end just accumulate those assets
00:34:26
slowly but um so yeah you mentioned um
00:34:29
Leo Malloy before and I've had him on
00:34:31
the podcast and we talked about he he
00:34:33
ended up bankrupt for a time after he
00:34:35
set up a bar called cardiac yes he did
00:34:37
and he reflected on the podcast on his
00:34:39
mistakes and he said he sort of through
00:34:40
everything that he knew about
00:34:42
Hospitality out the window with this is
00:34:44
that what happened to you do you think
00:34:46
you got too big for your boots yeah 100
00:34:48
yeah you know you're taking look we
00:34:51
hadn't when we're doing fight for life
00:34:52
so I was putting more and more money
00:34:54
into the entertainment side of it and
00:34:55
there was bugger all net profit coming
00:34:57
back it was just bigger and better
00:34:58
events you know with bugger or net
00:35:00
profit and so we got to the end of it
00:35:02
when we did this bloody massive circus
00:35:04
which lost a huge amount of money and I
00:35:07
got all the aspects of circus that you
00:35:09
get right I got them wrong so if you're
00:35:12
the dumbest thing you can do if you're
00:35:13
ever going to put on a circus the
00:35:15
dumbest thing you can do is fly the best
00:35:18
accent from all around the world and
00:35:20
only have them compete or you know do
00:35:22
their stuff for a week which is what we
00:35:24
did in a fixed outlet and the reason why
00:35:26
it's dumb is firstly their prices
00:35:28
through the roof and then you've got all
00:35:29
the accommodation expenses you've got
00:35:31
all the bloody um airfares coming in to
00:35:34
be amortized over no more than sort of
00:35:35
seven days
00:35:37
smart circus acts right they have their
00:35:39
own tents they travel around the world
00:35:41
or travel around the area and you employ
00:35:43
them for a long period of time their
00:35:45
cost per day goes through the floor so
00:35:46
you don't have to sell as many tickets
00:35:47
anyway so I dropped a million on that I
00:35:50
was probably 1.8 in debt and it took me
00:35:52
four years to pay it off there's no way
00:35:54
I was going to go bankrupt because I
00:35:56
knew if I did that I was going to be all
00:35:57
over the front pages of the paper so I
00:35:59
called my creditors in and said look
00:36:01
here's my problem and I said to them if
00:36:04
you just hang tough with me I'll get you
00:36:06
paid then I turned around and I borrowed
00:36:08
about half a million it was about 550k
00:36:11
off three different people
00:36:13
they gave me that so I managed to work
00:36:16
out a whole lot of non-risky events
00:36:19
right that I could run there's no risk I
00:36:21
was going to make money so what we would
00:36:23
do is I've got the half million and I
00:36:25
paid off as much of it keeping everyone
00:36:27
happy and then I just went on the slow
00:36:29
ride of sort of selling the events
00:36:30
paying them off selling new events and
00:36:32
paying off the old credit that's when
00:36:34
you and I got to meet and sort of become
00:36:35
friends because you got back into radio
00:36:37
first yeah well the radio thing came up
00:36:38
because I desperately needed the cash so
00:36:41
I was working I was running a small
00:36:43
business trying to make some money I was
00:36:45
working for an organization trying to
00:36:47
raise their money and I was also working
00:36:49
on radio so I basically had three jobs
00:36:51
so when you were uh saw me on the phone
00:36:54
it's because I'm desperately trying to
00:36:56
place the bills mate I can tell you this
00:36:58
I remember one day I'm on the North
00:36:59
Shore and made I couldn't pay my [ __ ]
00:37:03
phone bill you know and having your
00:37:05
phone disconnected is you won't do
00:37:07
nothing so they were they were hard
00:37:10
times but you know you have some good
00:37:12
times along the way I end up I went and
00:37:15
moved into a flat with a good mate of
00:37:17
mine called Grant Church who I just love
00:37:19
eternally and we we in it we're in this
00:37:22
flat or it was a house another major I
00:37:24
know it's a three-bedroom house and I
00:37:26
was in one bedroom and he had the main
00:37:27
bedroom which had the uh the ensuite it
00:37:30
was really nice and uh it was a great
00:37:32
Victory to me when he moved out and I
00:37:35
could afford to move into the main event
00:37:37
for the simple fact like that was just
00:37:40
to move forward right you know was that
00:37:42
like in the hindsight looking back was
00:37:44
that period um I would say that's the
00:37:46
last period of your life man it was
00:37:48
stressful it's got to be um I mean you
00:37:50
you can probably like look back with
00:37:52
enough hindsight now to get a picture of
00:37:53
things but to go from like being
00:37:55
successful like being a successful
00:37:57
League player successful broadcaster
00:37:59
successful promoter having like all the
00:38:02
money all the assets and stuff and then
00:38:03
being down below zero it was just gonna
00:38:06
be [ __ ] hard it was stressful yeah I
00:38:08
reckon I was depressed for a year really
00:38:11
what did depression look like for you
00:38:12
depression for me
00:38:15
um
00:38:16
the only Escape was sleep from the
00:38:19
pressure
00:38:20
and like for the first year I knew that
00:38:23
if I got it wrong I was going to be all
00:38:25
over the news and for doing this and
00:38:27
doing that and I'm a low life when all
00:38:29
you've done is made mistakes and tried
00:38:31
your best so
00:38:33
the first year was the hardest right and
00:38:36
when you get to the end of the first
00:38:38
year all of a sudden you realize I can
00:38:41
actually do this and I'm going to get
00:38:42
out
00:38:43
but when you talk about pressure the
00:38:46
second you wake up you're stressed and
00:38:49
you're thinking about what's going to go
00:38:51
wrong and then you're anxious right and
00:38:53
that feeling doesn't leave you and it
00:38:55
doesn't leave you until you go to sleep
00:38:57
it's like going to bed with a wet
00:38:58
blanket and when you go to sleep it
00:39:00
disappears but when you wake up it comes
00:39:02
back and it's just stress and it's
00:39:04
horrible so 12 months was probably like
00:39:06
that and then it started to diminish
00:39:09
after 12 months because you go I can get
00:39:12
out of this why did it start to diminish
00:39:13
were you just making a Headway because
00:39:15
you're making Headway every time you
00:39:16
paid off a bill or paid some money off
00:39:19
it's another it's another Victory you
00:39:21
know and all of a sudden all the new
00:39:22
ideas you're forced to have they're
00:39:25
working you know like you're never going
00:39:27
to get rich off them but you sure as
00:39:28
hell are going to pay your debts so at
00:39:30
the end of 12 months I've gone right
00:39:33
this is a long long tunnel but we go I
00:39:36
can see the light at the end and it took
00:39:37
another three years after that
00:39:41
see a therapist or anything in that time
00:39:44
would I you know I don't think so no I
00:39:46
might have I might have you know and I
00:39:49
read an article somewhere you were
00:39:50
reading like a lot of self-help books at
00:39:52
the time yeah yeah yeah like this is a
00:39:54
long time ago yeah yeah like so you know
00:39:57
it's a long time again we've we've had
00:39:59
all sorts of successes and failures and
00:40:01
challenges since then but
00:40:04
having someone you could talk to is
00:40:06
essential because it's like a relieving
00:40:09
of pressure yeah who did you have is it
00:40:11
like look I always have my mates right
00:40:13
they were great you know like Mark
00:40:15
bournville and Mark Bedford and Mike
00:40:17
Patton's mate Steve cousins you know
00:40:20
they were fantastic
00:40:21
that you know you also need to have
00:40:24
other people you and it's I would
00:40:26
recommend
00:40:27
therapist I'm not not big on Psychiatry
00:40:29
but certainly from am but if for some
00:40:31
people that works for them but a
00:40:33
psychologist someone you can go and have
00:40:35
a release valve too also I suppose if
00:40:37
you're 1.7 million in debt spending 250
00:40:40
or for an hour with a trained
00:40:42
professional probably a lot of people
00:40:43
that's chump change look at me at the
00:40:45
time that was a huge amount of money you
00:40:47
know so uh and it just took a long time
00:40:49
to pay it back which was pretty shitty I
00:40:52
wouldn't want to go through it again why
00:40:54
I mean it says a lot about your
00:40:55
character I think like not just
00:40:57
declaring bankruptcy why didn't why
00:40:59
didn't you just do that that would have
00:41:00
been the easiest thing to do right I
00:41:01
guess
00:41:03
my attitude is is that
00:41:06
if somebody supplies to you a good or a
00:41:08
service right you're it's up to you to
00:41:11
pay for it now in that case it just took
00:41:13
a long time for some people to get their
00:41:15
money but that supplied me the goods and
00:41:17
the services so they have to be paid you
00:41:20
know and and the alternative
00:41:22
you know the alternative as you end up
00:41:24
on the front page of the paper and
00:41:26
[ __ ] all sorts of others but I've
00:41:27
heard people have said that they've gone
00:41:29
bankrupt and the stress and pain goes
00:41:32
instantly it was just not an option for
00:41:35
me that was all just a character thing
00:41:36
to say well I don't know if it's
00:41:37
character because everyone it was just
00:41:40
it was just not an option yeah because
00:41:42
everyone approaches these things
00:41:44
differently you know I've had friends
00:41:46
who've gone through similar
00:41:47
circumstances and they did things
00:41:48
differently and that's fine as well you
00:41:51
know and I think the most important
00:41:52
thing you can do with people just be up
00:41:53
front and tell them the truth
00:41:55
yeah one thing I've said a fan over life
00:41:57
is that um the the [ __ ] hits the fan for
00:42:00
everyone at some point everyone goes
00:42:01
through good good times and bad times
00:42:02
and one thing you find is people that
00:42:04
you think are really good friends
00:42:05
they're either like lean in or lean out
00:42:08
when that happens and uh Did you sort of
00:42:10
I don't have anyone lean out yeah not by
00:42:13
any stretch the imagination they more
00:42:15
leaned in yeah that's good yeah so you
00:42:18
know
00:42:18
you're lucky I saw something by Tom Tom
00:42:20
Hanks was sitting down there that I saw
00:42:22
on social media is a wonderful thing but
00:42:25
there's this little sort of 30 second
00:42:26
one minute clip where he was sit with
00:42:29
some really famous guys I might be
00:42:31
Robert De Niro and and and and and
00:42:33
Steven Spielberg and a few others and he
00:42:36
said when I was I wish someone had told
00:42:38
me when I was a young fella this too
00:42:40
shall pass and what he was talking about
00:42:43
is that you will have hard times in your
00:42:45
life this tooth shall pass you will have
00:42:47
amazing highs in your life this too
00:42:49
shall pass so you've I think the lesson
00:42:52
is try not to get too stressed because
00:42:55
one way or another you're going to get
00:42:56
out of it or you know and um don't take
00:43:00
it all too serious you've had to learn
00:43:02
these lessons the hard way though and
00:43:05
where does where do you think this
00:43:06
resilience comes from or is it something
00:43:07
that you've you've had to build by
00:43:09
necessity over the years I have no idea
00:43:11
I don't know it's resilience it's just
00:43:12
oh I know it absolutely you get you get
00:43:15
faced with situations and you just got
00:43:17
to overcome them and it's really it's
00:43:18
about about the key thing is is just
00:43:21
doing what's in front of you just deal
00:43:23
tackle what's in front of you and then
00:43:25
tackle it again the next day and the
00:43:27
next day and in the perfect world you'll
00:43:28
get to a point where there's the
00:43:30
challenges are overcome and you start to
00:43:32
get this from gravy and have some fun
00:43:33
[Music]
00:43:35
um yeah you must be immensely proud of
00:43:37
how you handle that whole situation
00:43:38
getting out of that hole looking back
00:43:39
don't really think about it too much no
00:43:41
no just clearly learn some good lessons
00:43:43
though yeah
00:43:45
just glad I did it the way we did it as
00:43:48
opposed to take taking the option of not
00:43:50
having to pay everyone yeah you know I
00:43:53
think I read an article about you at the
00:43:54
time and you're talking about that flat
00:43:55
situation with that guy Church you're
00:43:57
talking about and another guy called
00:43:58
mango yes what was the flag called the
00:44:01
the flat of broken men or something what
00:44:03
is it the house of misunderstood
00:44:07
I used to write a bit of a Blog yes so
00:44:11
we uh I had two guys in the flat with me
00:44:14
one was called Church which was
00:44:15
obviously and church was when he was we
00:44:18
went to school together and played rugby
00:44:19
together and church was and his an
00:44:22
absolute rocket scientist like he is in
00:44:24
six subject class at school used to do
00:44:27
five subjects of school C and I think he
00:44:29
went to uh he went he could have gone to
00:44:31
University he got great marks but he
00:44:34
ended up you know driving us a a uh a
00:44:37
roller called the space shuttle he
00:44:39
called it Challenger Space Shuttle you
00:44:41
know like those Steamrollers and uh he
00:44:43
is just he's just a great guy
00:44:46
and and just just a really good guy an
00:44:50
amazing flatmate you know I wish we were
00:44:52
still living with the church because
00:44:53
he's such an amazing guy but uh we used
00:44:55
to have this other guy called mango and
00:44:57
he was called mango because he used to
00:44:59
ride motorbikes really fast and
00:45:01
everybody would say look at that man go
00:45:08
oh God what a time God it sounds like it
00:45:11
sounds like some sort of sitcom doesn't
00:45:13
it well I ended up at some at one stage
00:45:17
there might I can't remember because all
00:45:19
the dates you know
00:45:22
but I used to write this blog and my mum
00:45:25
encourages me to to go back to writing a
00:45:28
Blog and it used to be called the house
00:45:29
of misunderstood blokes and it was
00:45:31
predominantly about the life of my mate
00:45:33
Grant Church who was the world's
00:45:35
greatest drain layer and we used to talk
00:45:37
about his uh how he'd go on dates and
00:45:40
you know like I was chronicling his life
00:45:42
it was quite funny but I've said to her
00:45:43
Manuel if I do this again mum I'm gonna
00:45:46
have to write about you and my sister
00:45:47
because that's who I'm living with what
00:45:49
we call it did you uh like did you fall
00:45:52
back on alcohol or anything in any of
00:45:53
these low points how do you not because
00:45:55
a lot of people would like deal with the
00:45:57
stress of a situation like this by I
00:45:59
made a conscious decision going through
00:46:02
going through it that if you drink
00:46:04
alcohol like you know like I said it was
00:46:06
I had a really hard time for the first
00:46:08
year but if you drink alcohol
00:46:10
you're going to escape all your problems
00:46:12
for three four five or six hours right
00:46:15
and then the problem is when you wake up
00:46:17
the next day even worse it's way worse
00:46:19
and not only that is way worse for three
00:46:21
or four days so I sort of thought right
00:46:24
I'll kick alcohol for touch and commit
00:46:26
myself to doing what I've got to do
00:46:29
and at the back end of it which was four
00:46:31
years I lost the taste for the alcohol
00:46:34
hence I don't drink anymore because I
00:46:37
just don't like the taste of it there's
00:46:38
no great hidden meeting like I used to
00:46:41
drink so much when I was a young fellow
00:46:42
and I used to you know I used to have a
00:46:44
good time and used to go out and have
00:46:46
plenty to drink but that's not the
00:46:47
reason I don't drink anymore it's just I
00:46:49
don't like the taste if you could make
00:46:52
alcohol taste like a strawberry
00:46:54
milkshake
00:46:55
I'd get drunk 24 hours a day but as it
00:46:59
turns out you can't that's good so you
00:47:01
got through that period with a clear
00:47:02
head and very very dense bones for all
00:47:04
the calcium you're having probably you
00:47:07
um but I'll tell you what I do now right
00:47:09
with the milk I cut it in half
00:47:11
suddenly that is my drink of choice is
00:47:14
half I get the biggest glass I can get
00:47:17
half milk half water lots of ice
00:47:20
it's actually really good and the key
00:47:23
thing is to have it cold but that way
00:47:25
you can drink you know you can you're
00:47:28
not drinking as much as milk because
00:47:29
milks I don't think it's overly healthy
00:47:31
for you and I'm sure fonterra doesn't
00:47:33
want me to say this yeah but yeah geez
00:47:37
you're an unusual guy was it around this
00:47:39
time when you're living in the flat with
00:47:40
these two other misunderstood blokes
00:47:42
that you were you were adding
00:47:43
um you had like a Nando's thing as well
00:47:45
you're eating Nando's every night of the
00:47:46
week did I read that somewhere I don't
00:47:49
think so
00:47:50
you're making this episode did we
00:47:54
had those
00:47:55
Espionage ah yeah
00:48:02
I'll be all I am a creature have it
00:48:04
Nando's is very good and very healthy so
00:48:06
do you think um part of it is like um I
00:48:09
don't know like a a like a Steve Jobs or
00:48:12
Mark Zuckerberg thing you know they were
00:48:13
the same clothes every day because it
00:48:15
just takes a like a decision-making out
00:48:17
of their day like if you're eating
00:48:18
Nando's you can't possibly put my name
00:48:20
in those two in the same sentence Jesus
00:48:22
but um no but you know what I mean it's
00:48:25
like a decision every day that's like
00:48:26
man it's because look I go to the same
00:48:29
Cafe most times because I like going
00:48:31
there because I have food that I like I
00:48:33
ate nandos if I ate Nando's every night
00:48:35
for God knows how long it's because I
00:48:37
like the taste of it as opposed to
00:48:39
taking the decision-making process away
00:48:41
right like I'm not I'm just not that
00:48:43
complex I don't know but I think I think
00:48:45
you are smarter than what you give
00:48:46
yourself credit for I I sometimes wonder
00:48:49
yeah
00:48:50
um
00:48:52
um what else was there so okay so so you
00:48:55
get through that first year is difficult
00:48:56
and then you start to see a bit of
00:48:58
Headway then you make more and more
00:48:59
progress I suppose it's like a Snowball
00:49:01
Effect then how do you um how do you get
00:49:03
back into the promotion game is this is
00:49:06
promoting all the way through yeah I was
00:49:09
working on contract for a lot of people
00:49:10
I worked I'd do anything to get the
00:49:12
money in and one of the contracts I got
00:49:15
was with uh with Duco
00:49:17
and yet a guy called David Higgins who I
00:49:20
don't have much of an opinion on and
00:49:22
John McRae were there and they were
00:49:24
putting together the David tour versus
00:49:26
Shane Cameron fight they didn't have any
00:49:28
experience at the time right boxing
00:49:29
specifically but they had a nose they
00:49:32
definitely had a nose for uh what made a
00:49:34
good promotion so I helped them put that
00:49:36
together and I charged them through the
00:49:38
nose for it and uh and helped put them
00:49:41
together and it turned out to be very
00:49:43
very successful it's a phenomenal event
00:49:44
yeah the fight of the century I had um
00:49:46
Shane Cameron on the podcast and we yeah
00:49:48
he is a good guy he's a great guy and we
00:49:50
talked about that fight and quite a bit
00:49:52
of length and uh he's got so many
00:49:54
regrets he said it took seven years for
00:49:55
him to get over there I bet it did yeah
00:49:57
seven years seven years before he
00:50:00
realized huh I haven't thought about
00:50:02
that all day today wow crazy huh but
00:50:06
that's that's what that's what been in
00:50:08
the boxing ring can do to people you
00:50:11
know because that was Shane's whole life
00:50:12
was boxing and he built himself up along
00:50:16
with his manager Kenny rangefield as you
00:50:18
have to do to be the L for male of the
00:50:20
country and all of a sudden there's
00:50:22
another alpha male who realizes you
00:50:24
might be a great white shark but this
00:50:26
boy over here is a killer whale I mean
00:50:27
he's the top of the food chain yeah and
00:50:30
and I'm sure Shane's made peace with it
00:50:31
since then you know and David are
00:50:34
friends now they've had a couple of
00:50:35
tequila nights together and yeah
00:50:38
do you do you feel
00:50:40
um You probably don't it's just business
00:50:42
but I mean they were we talked about the
00:50:45
interview that they did on a show it's
00:50:46
called Uh close up at seven with Sansone
00:50:48
I remember it yeah and there was like it
00:50:50
wasn't quality trash talk it wasn't
00:50:52
Conor McGregor style but it was high
00:50:54
quality trash cool you think so why
00:50:56
because it was authentic and it wasn't
00:50:59
and Shane was probably putting it on a
00:51:01
bit right but tour wasn't Tua I remember
00:51:05
Shane and and and and giving David a
00:51:08
hard time and it was just Shane doing
00:51:10
the best he could from a trash talk
00:51:11
point of view he's a high quality human
00:51:12
being and a great guy but David tour he
00:51:16
wasn't trash talking he did something
00:51:18
like he he moved his neck around like
00:51:20
that and made it crack and he just
00:51:21
looked I think at Shane and says I'm
00:51:23
really going to hurt you and thank you
00:51:25
for the opportunity that was about as
00:51:27
authentic as it gets yeah you know what
00:51:29
I mean when David tour had never said
00:51:31
anything like that in his entire career
00:51:33
and Kenny rainsfield who's a good mate
00:51:35
of mine I've known for 30 years was
00:51:37
manager of Shane he really got under
00:51:40
David's skin and he was doing things
00:51:42
which as a promoter you look at him go
00:51:45
thanks Kenny you just did a great job
00:51:47
and of course that sold massively well
00:51:49
both at the venue down in Hamilton and
00:51:51
uh and on TV yeah Shane and our podcast
00:51:53
he talks about regrets he's gone and he
00:51:55
conducted himself in a way that's not
00:51:56
not him to his core yeah but do you feel
00:51:59
a little bit good about that because I
00:52:00
feel I feel like you guys made him made
00:52:02
him well not made him instead of hyped
00:52:04
the fight because all you can do right
00:52:06
at the end of the day all these Fighters
00:52:08
make their own decisions as to what they
00:52:10
do and all you can do is provide the
00:52:12
platform and Kenny in particular Kenny
00:52:14
really got he'd been a promoter himself
00:52:16
and Kenny rainsfield who was Shane's
00:52:18
manager understood the need for
00:52:19
promotion and Kenny was a genuine tough
00:52:22
guy as well you know he represented New
00:52:24
Zealand in the Commonwealth Games I
00:52:26
think he went to the Olympics as a
00:52:27
wrestler and one of the great stories
00:52:30
about Kenny rainsfield is that going
00:52:33
back 10 years ago and he's going to hate
00:52:35
that I tell the story but Kenny could
00:52:38
hold himself well and account when it
00:52:41
come to a street fight right because
00:52:42
he'd have all his background of
00:52:44
wrestling but he got into a fight with a
00:52:46
guy in ponsonby Road who was lesser
00:52:49
fighting more an altercation which the
00:52:51
other guy should never have started but
00:52:53
Kenny did something I've never heard
00:52:55
anyone do and was the most painful thing
00:52:57
of anything in anyone's life he grabbed
00:53:00
the guy by the hand his thumb like that
00:53:02
and he snapped it down with a quick
00:53:04
movement so he broke the guy's thumb and
00:53:06
I've thought about that on many of
00:53:08
occasions as one how do you think about
00:53:10
doing that and two the pain and her that
00:53:14
you were reflected on someone yes is
00:53:16
beyond beyond thoughts it's like torture
00:53:19
oh mate that's like medieval [ __ ] you
00:53:22
know so Kenny was a he was an
00:53:24
interesting cat and he's now chairman of
00:53:26
the New Zealand Warriors amazing there
00:53:28
you go amazing so yes after the um the
00:53:31
fight of the century the two of the
00:53:32
Cameron thing um it's when you you uh
00:53:36
Duco started working with um Joseph
00:53:37
Parker yeah I started they brought they
00:53:40
brought me into the company right
00:53:43
I owned half of it okay and you you guys
00:53:46
did a phenomenal job with Joseph Parker
00:53:48
like what
00:53:52
what no look what was that noise
00:53:55
all I can take it from is like um I was
00:53:58
on a top 40 radio station called The
00:53:59
Edge and we'd never have a boxer on yeah
00:54:01
you guys um presented us with Joe Parker
00:54:04
well I think we had him on as a favor
00:54:06
for you because you're a nice guy and I
00:54:07
like it yeah and then he did a good job
00:54:09
on the air and see then that
00:54:11
relationship was formed so yeah you guys
00:54:13
sort of made Joseph Parker like a
00:54:15
mainstream household name in a French
00:54:16
sport all we did was provide the
00:54:18
platform and Joe took advantage of it
00:54:20
don't forget David tour versus Linux
00:54:22
Lewis
00:54:23
was the number one rating show of all
00:54:26
time on television in New Zealand so to
00:54:28
say boxing was a French sport I think
00:54:30
it's a probably a bit of a stretch
00:54:32
because and I know it's not the All
00:54:33
Blacks right but
00:54:34
tour went to fight for the heavyweight
00:54:36
championship of the world his rise was
00:54:38
well documented in New Zealand media
00:54:39
then Shane Cameron came along and he was
00:54:42
there and Joe was sort of the next
00:54:43
alliteration of that standing on these
00:54:45
shoulders to some degree so uh but Joe
00:54:48
definitely all you do is provide the
00:54:49
platforms up to the individual athlete
00:54:51
to take advantage of it yeah we have we
00:54:54
hassled at people and got them on where
00:54:56
we had to get them on and if they're no
00:54:58
good here's what my experience is
00:55:00
most of these guys they start off not so
00:55:03
good in the media some of them are born
00:55:04
to it right but most of them aren't that
00:55:06
good but the more you throw them in you
00:55:07
can give them the media train in the
00:55:09
world I'm not a big fan of it the more
00:55:10
you throw them in the more you do it the
00:55:12
more comfortable they get and you start
00:55:13
to see the real person come out and
00:55:15
that's all we did with Joe was just keep
00:55:16
throwing them and throwing them and
00:55:17
Joe's got a lovely personality and he's
00:55:19
a genuinely good guy you know so when
00:55:22
that starts to come out it's quite
00:55:23
amazing that he boxes for a living
00:55:25
Because deep down to be a boxer you've
00:55:27
got to give some angry [ __ ] going on
00:55:28
yeah he's not a Savage is he
00:55:31
I think deep down he still loves to
00:55:33
fight anybody who loves to fight and
00:55:35
what look not everyone's going to be
00:55:38
Conor McGregor right yeah but in all
00:55:40
boxes good or bad but the really really
00:55:43
good ones what Conor McGregor's got
00:55:45
going on the outside a lot of these
00:55:47
boxes have got going on the inside they
00:55:48
just don't show it because mate it is
00:55:50
not a normal thing to do these are the
00:55:52
Gladiators the mod Gladiators there's
00:55:54
only about ten thousand maybe 15 000
00:55:57
professional boxes in the world and out
00:56:00
of those fifteen thousand no more than a
00:56:02
hundred to 200 will make money out of it
00:56:04
and no more than 10 make the millions
00:56:07
that you hear about you know so it's a
00:56:09
very very competitive Sport and it's uh
00:56:11
it's very very cutthroat
00:56:16
see what you want to drive back up who
00:56:18
called you
00:56:20
but was it Kevin Barry
00:56:24
was it yeah I think it was Liam's
00:56:27
talking in the background I'm pretty
00:56:28
sure he's right was Judith Collins who
00:56:31
was Joe's Auntie oh the Old National
00:56:33
party leader yeah really yes right
00:56:36
Professor Collins my memory is terrible
00:56:38
right concussions
00:56:40
oh I'm also of the opinion there's only
00:56:43
so much your brain can do yeah yeah and
00:56:45
sometimes stuff comes in if it's going
00:56:47
to stay there something's got to go out
00:56:48
to Wrangle around now you're right Liam
00:56:51
Judas Collins did ring me about and tell
00:56:53
me about him see he wasn't on your radar
00:56:55
at that point
00:56:56
no no no and look this is a long time
00:56:59
ago crikey when did we first started
00:57:01
promoting um Joseph
00:57:04
2010 maybe it's like 12 years ago it
00:57:08
just goes so fast
00:57:10
what was that what was that groaning
00:57:12
noise you made before when I when I
00:57:13
brought up Joseph Parker I just do cover
00:57:15
is not a period in my life that I want
00:57:17
to talk too much about I have zero zero
00:57:20
respect for the bloke awesome business
00:57:21
four I think it's fairly well known why
00:57:23
we separated I mean it seems like a sad
00:57:26
in a way because you guys were
00:57:27
incredibly successful together and I
00:57:29
hope maybe there would come a time maybe
00:57:30
they won't where you can look back and
00:57:31
reflect on that but it's yeah it seems
00:57:33
sad like um like Kevin Kevin Barry and
00:57:36
David tour like it's another very very
00:57:38
successful relationship that had a
00:57:40
terrible split and it seems sad in a way
00:57:42
that you can't rescue anything from it
00:57:44
at the end you guys were successful I
00:57:46
think you had the Charisma of the
00:57:48
operation and I I don't know I'm
00:57:50
guessing here but you you both bought
00:57:52
different things to your partnership it
00:57:54
as a partnership you and David were very
00:57:56
success useful I can tell the way you're
00:57:58
sitting here like
00:58:00
I don't want to talk about one day I
00:58:02
might one day I might serialize it you
00:58:04
know and tell what really went on and
00:58:06
why I was separated one day and he
00:58:08
himself for that one day when it comes I
00:58:11
can promise you that
00:58:13
there's no no love lost no relationship
00:58:15
there now no um
00:58:17
I once run into them in the gray Lynn
00:58:19
RSA and I ended up chasing around a car
00:58:23
and unfortunately I'm fat and overweight
00:58:25
and he's quite skinny so it's like I'm
00:58:27
like Wiley Coyote chasing the Road
00:58:29
Runner and I just wish I could
00:58:42
but that's not for the podcast
00:58:52
well I mean
00:58:54
like time time he was done has a lot of
00:58:57
words so maybe there'll become a time
00:58:58
where no chance wow not ever
00:59:03
you don't want to get into any of I mean
00:59:06
I've heard some marimbas over the years
00:59:07
about what happened but your neighbors
00:59:09
are probably true right
00:59:11
um
00:59:12
but I've got a saying in life like you
00:59:14
know you shouldn't believe everything
00:59:15
everything you hear uh they are usually
00:59:17
you know where there's some smoke
00:59:18
there's some fire but yeah it's fair to
00:59:21
say you shouldn't believe everything you
00:59:23
hear yeah yeah
00:59:25
um move on okay
00:59:26
so then so after after 2K that I I hope
00:59:29
there comes a time where you can look
00:59:30
back on on that period um uh you know
00:59:33
with some sort of pleasure because um
00:59:35
yeah what you did was very very
00:59:36
successful you deserve it we did some
00:59:39
okay things you know like the rise of
00:59:41
Joe Parker that was that was a lot that
00:59:43
was a lot of fun and seeing someone like
00:59:44
Joe being successful
00:59:46
also the NRL Auckland nines was you know
00:59:49
that's right I forgot about the nrl9s
00:59:51
yeah that was very successful and uh
00:59:53
that was very that was probably the most
00:59:55
gratifying thing for me because we got
00:59:57
to bring rugby league
00:59:59
you know to Auckland and it was a real
01:00:00
great celebration of rugby league and
01:00:03
the Auckland rugby league Community got
01:00:04
to come together and you know we we got
01:00:07
NRL players out into the clubs and it
01:00:09
was really cool that was very cool been
01:00:11
from a league background so then so then
01:00:14
um post Duke you go to Australia yep
01:00:17
um how come why did you
01:00:19
well when we had the split I went with
01:00:21
Jeff Horn who with Australian fighter
01:00:24
Australian boxer welterweight and the
01:00:26
Zenith of Jeff Horn was to fight Manny
01:00:28
Pacquiao at suncorp stadium and he beat
01:00:30
many 51
01:00:32
000 people turned up for that event and
01:00:34
it's probably the signature event in
01:00:36
boxing in Australia even to today
01:00:38
um Manny pacca a little little Filipino
01:00:40
he used to be the president of the
01:00:41
Philippines he ran for president ran for
01:00:43
prison but Manny was in all one of the
01:00:45
all-time great stars of the game and he
01:00:47
fought against the guy
01:00:48
and I think Manny's end of that fight
01:00:51
was about 100 million dollars Bob's
01:00:53
Aaron's in was about 50 million and
01:00:55
Floyd's was probably about 150 million
01:00:57
so they made some serious money out of
01:00:58
that so you were involved in
01:01:00
negotiations not for that fight yeah but
01:01:03
for the one in Brisbane that we did yeah
01:01:05
we I did it from top to bottom so your
01:01:08
dealings with um Manny Pacquiao uh with
01:01:10
Bob Aaron right right Manny was a lot of
01:01:13
fun was he a lot of fun when we we did a
01:01:15
bit of it he didn't need dog in
01:01:16
Australia
01:01:19
many was one of the most generous men
01:01:21
Manny Pacquiao did [ __ ] I've never seen
01:01:23
in my life so he comes over to do a
01:01:26
promotional tour no he comes over for
01:01:29
the fight and I had to have a quarter of
01:01:32
a million dollars in cash which was
01:01:34
Manny money and many money was given out
01:01:38
to all of the the cohorts that had come
01:01:40
over so he hired a private plane and
01:01:42
brought about a hundred to 150 people
01:01:44
with them all stayed in the hotel who
01:01:46
like his Entourage yes like all his
01:01:48
friends Manny Pacquiao how many staff
01:01:51
how many staff and how many friends I
01:01:53
honestly I couldn't tell you but what I
01:01:55
had to have that quarter million dollars
01:01:57
ready for him when he got there and that
01:01:59
was handed out he brought to that event
01:02:02
see every fighter gets an allocation to
01:02:04
the fight nights and how much you know
01:02:06
their tickets to give away he brought
01:02:08
850
01:02:10
000 worth of tickets to that fight I kid
01:02:13
you not and so and we had to give him a
01:02:16
quarter of a million bucks as he got off
01:02:17
the plane it was all deductible a person
01:02:19
stuff like that so many had this
01:02:21
progression of Filipinos coming in from
01:02:24
all around Australia which he's handing
01:02:26
out money and tickets to to go to the
01:02:27
fight and whatever he's and generous
01:02:29
like he'd be getting someone to shine
01:02:31
his shoes at the airport and give him a
01:02:33
hundred dollar U.S tip wow Manny is the
01:02:36
only boxer I've ever been out with who
01:02:38
offers to pay for stuff right so we went
01:02:40
out and had a dinner and maybe there was
01:02:42
a couple of grand and there's a whole
01:02:44
lot of people and it was he he's pulling
01:02:46
money out of his pocket to pay and go
01:02:47
Mania you don't have to do this you know
01:02:49
I was um
01:02:51
but many formed a friendship with a very
01:02:54
very unique character called Jim
01:02:56
bannigan Jim's a very good friend of
01:02:58
mine
01:02:59
and I don't know how to describe Jimmy's
01:03:01
an Australian agent player manager he's
01:03:03
been a very good friend of me a very
01:03:05
good friend but he is one unique
01:03:06
individual and Jim is the guy in life
01:03:09
that you can equally hate and love at
01:03:11
the same time because he will really
01:03:12
piss you off I mean piss you off with
01:03:15
things you've never seen before he was
01:03:17
at the time quite an obese overweight
01:03:19
white Australian male with great
01:03:22
religious beliefs and that's why
01:03:24
he's a Catholic and that's why him and
01:03:26
Manny because the Filipinos are very
01:03:28
very religious and very Catholic so him
01:03:30
and many Struck it off but we went on
01:03:32
this bit of a tour and um Manny made the
01:03:36
mistake of giving Jim a bit of lip now
01:03:38
Manny Pacquiao
01:03:40
couldn't give anyone lip in the world
01:03:42
that he wants because he's Manny
01:03:43
Pacquiao so we're in a small bus going
01:03:46
from place to place doing his
01:03:47
promotional gigs
01:03:49
and Jim Bennigan turned around and
01:03:52
looked at him and says Manny Pacquiao
01:03:54
you can go and get [ __ ] now I promise
01:03:58
you in 25 years of Manny Pacquiao being
01:04:01
who he is he's never been told to get
01:04:02
[ __ ] in his entire life man he took
01:04:05
one look at this fat overweight
01:04:06
red-faced Australian telling them to get
01:04:09
[ __ ] and what the things he's going to
01:04:10
do and he just cracked up laughing fell
01:04:12
on the floor of the bus and he's never
01:04:14
laughed so hard in his life so you have
01:04:16
you meet some interesting characters and
01:04:18
you and interesting things happen along
01:04:20
the way but equally that same guy Jim
01:04:23
oh this is typical Jim bannigan right so
01:04:26
I had Jim doing the media
01:04:28
uh on this Manny Pacquiao bloody tour
01:04:31
and I sent him into the Philippines
01:04:34
where many lived uh with a whole lot of
01:04:36
media worked him quite hard and Jimmy
01:04:39
was under stress and pressure so Jimmy
01:04:41
had a stroke about three weeks before
01:04:43
the fight so I'm very concerned about
01:04:46
Jim because people die from Strokes so I
01:04:48
go in to see him one day I've made a few
01:04:50
phone calls we're going to see him at
01:04:51
the hospital one day and he's got his
01:04:53
whole family's around him and he looks
01:04:55
up at me and says this is your [ __ ]
01:04:58
fault
01:05:08
that's just over the top yeah but you
01:05:11
know you have you have your so there's
01:05:14
some good yards you meet some
01:05:15
interesting people yeah so financially
01:05:17
how are you now if you don't don't quite
01:05:19
well out of um duko and Australia the
01:05:21
last few years look why are you living
01:05:23
with your mum and your sister
01:05:24
I'm sort of in between places right now
01:05:27
look we've done okay yeah it hasn't been
01:05:28
brilliant we've done okay I've got some
01:05:30
land that I'm looking to develop up in
01:05:32
taupaki at the moment but it's been you
01:05:34
know it hasn't because of the uh
01:05:37
the entrepreneurial ride that you take
01:05:39
man I've had ups and downs all over the
01:05:41
place what's your relationship with
01:05:43
money money like now are you sort of
01:05:46
neutral to it or I think so yeah like
01:05:49
Everyone likes would like to have a bit
01:05:50
more of it and um and I've been very
01:05:53
very lucky I've similar had some amazing
01:05:55
investors come along along the way and
01:05:57
wanted to be part of the journey
01:05:59
so uh I think the path going forward is
01:06:02
going to be a lot smoother as a result
01:06:04
you know we get a lot of advice off
01:06:06
different people
01:06:08
um you'd like to be more successful than
01:06:09
what you are but at the end of the day
01:06:11
you know
01:06:12
money is something that you should use
01:06:15
to just help you get through life and
01:06:17
obviously you want to get ahead right
01:06:19
but you know as you get older it becomes
01:06:21
less and less of a focus and and you
01:06:24
want to be spending time with more time
01:06:25
with family and friends but you also
01:06:27
want to have that success and then your
01:06:29
financial side to help you achieve that
01:06:32
more and more you know but it seems like
01:06:34
you you don't have an ego at all I think
01:06:38
um I think you've got to have an ego to
01:06:39
get things done yeah you know like there
01:06:42
you go I suppose like an ego like um
01:06:44
when you when you went through that
01:06:46
circus stuff and then you know you you
01:06:48
were stripped back to be a Basics like
01:06:50
not even in the biggest room in the
01:06:51
house yeah
01:06:52
um yeah I suppose you learned a lot
01:06:54
about yourself then well when you go
01:06:56
through shitty times like that your ego
01:06:58
takes a bit of a hammering yeah and
01:06:59
you're not quite as good as you thought
01:07:01
you were you know and uh but you look
01:07:04
back at those times and if I could look
01:07:06
I had really good times in there it's
01:07:09
just if you could do it without the
01:07:10
stress and the pressure you know
01:07:13
stress and pressure is one of the
01:07:15
[ __ ] of life and and
01:07:18
along the way I've worked out that I
01:07:21
suffer from anxiety up until probably
01:07:24
five six years ago I didn't realize that
01:07:26
I did but it's probably been a part of
01:07:28
your life for a very very long time what
01:07:30
do you mean what did that look like for
01:07:31
you
01:07:32
um like panic attacks or no no no no
01:07:35
um your guts tuning on a regular basis
01:07:37
worrying about how you're going to solve
01:07:39
problems overthinking things thinking
01:07:42
things over and over and over again
01:07:44
and it's only been the realization that
01:07:46
you do it you go oh wow okay this is
01:07:48
what sort of I used to do some work for
01:07:50
the phobic trust and they used to do
01:07:52
some stuff around anxiety and at the
01:07:53
time I didn't know what was really all
01:07:55
about but now I do and it's only with
01:07:58
realization that you you suffer from it
01:08:01
you go oh okay now we've got to work out
01:08:03
how do you deal with this and I think
01:08:05
that's been you know and one of my pet
01:08:07
things in life is I don't want to go
01:08:09
through anxiety and I think a lot of
01:08:11
people do and it's a shitty place to be
01:08:13
because that feeling in your guts that
01:08:15
you
01:08:16
you just work to get rid of it yeah
01:08:18
fortunately there are I can actually I
01:08:20
think I can identify why I get it when
01:08:23
you can identify why you get it then you
01:08:25
can help yourself get rid of it Well
01:08:26
everybody's different why is it for you
01:08:28
oh all sorts of different things yeah it
01:08:30
could be anything it could be um I don't
01:08:32
know let's just say we're going to
01:08:34
announce a fight night and we haven't
01:08:36
got a couple of guys signed up you start
01:08:38
thinking about it and go you know but
01:08:40
all the thinking in the world doesn't
01:08:42
necessarily solve the problem if you're
01:08:44
thinking the same [ __ ] over and over
01:08:45
again yeah I I I saw a therapist a
01:08:48
couple a couple of years ago and um she
01:08:50
asked me like about overthinking and
01:08:52
doing that stuff and she said when you
01:08:54
catch yourself doing it you just got to
01:08:56
pause and ask yourself is this helpful
01:08:58
yes and it never is but it's easier said
01:09:00
than done to then just throw it in the
01:09:02
back it's taking me years to work it out
01:09:04
and it's taken me years to understand
01:09:05
I'm not sure I'm brilliant at getting
01:09:08
rid of it but it's taken me years to
01:09:10
work out okay I when I get into work and
01:09:13
attack problems one by one by one the
01:09:15
anxiety disappear years and you get on
01:09:17
with it right but it's when you've got
01:09:18
that thinking time and and the worst
01:09:21
time and this is I think this goes for
01:09:22
everyone is when you wake up so two or
01:09:24
three in the morning as you get older
01:09:26
and you're going to start suffering this
01:09:27
for whatever reason older blokes get up
01:09:29
at two or three in the morning they have
01:09:31
a purse I don't know why it is but they
01:09:32
do and if you can't get back to sleep
01:09:34
that's when it's at its worst you know
01:09:36
I've talked to a lot of my mates about
01:09:37
it and they're all the same you know
01:09:39
it's funny because
01:09:40
you sell legit going to be the next
01:09:41
question I ask you like how do you sleep
01:09:43
at night yeah well most amazing I get I
01:09:46
go to bed early right it's early like
01:09:49
nine ten earlier 8 30 9. does your mum
01:09:53
make you no
01:09:55
I quite like it I'm on the bed before we
01:09:57
love that's truly tragic hey why are you
01:10:00
just exhausted at the end of the day or
01:10:01
is it just yeah an old routine it's I've
01:10:04
always been to bed early you know and I
01:10:07
always get up early and if you get up
01:10:09
early you want to go to bed early so but
01:10:11
yeah but I do watch a lot of Netflix and
01:10:14
I have seen the Big Bang Theory at least
01:10:16
five times maybe six every single
01:10:18
episode but when you um I suppose a lot
01:10:20
of a lot of your work at least from an
01:10:22
outsider's perspective is being on the
01:10:23
phone like if you get up early what are
01:10:25
you doing for those hours when you can't
01:10:26
ring people
01:10:27
um
01:10:28
the first thing I do is go and have
01:10:30
breakfast that's all and then you sort
01:10:32
of start your day at 8 39 if you can and
01:10:35
then you're away you know
01:10:37
yeah so I I like to try and finish like
01:10:39
you try and do nine to five but that's
01:10:41
not how long yeah I get told all the
01:10:43
time that I'm on the phone all the
01:10:45
weekend and you get you're all on the
01:10:47
phone all sorts of different times and
01:10:48
one of the things as you get older I
01:10:50
think you try and be more present
01:10:52
in what you're doing rather than being
01:10:54
on a phone call or being a hundred miles
01:10:56
away or thinking about something else
01:10:58
try and be present in the moment because
01:11:00
that moment ain't coming back you don't
01:11:02
know if your family or friends or
01:11:04
whatever you're doing be in that moment
01:11:06
because that's important yeah what's the
01:11:08
rest of your um life or career going to
01:11:10
look like you're never going to retire
01:11:11
are you what are you now 57 57. you'll
01:11:15
be one of these people that keeps
01:11:16
working when you man you have to I would
01:11:18
rather not really really what would you
01:11:21
do what would retirement look like
01:11:22
um retirement would look different to
01:11:24
what I do now right but you know I would
01:11:27
like to have my build my Airbnb up in
01:11:31
taupaki and have people from around the
01:11:34
world come and stay there and then six
01:11:37
months of the year go off and do what
01:11:38
you've got to do you know whether it be
01:11:40
Gold Coast whether it be going to the
01:11:42
states whether it began England hanging
01:11:45
out you know hanging out with friends
01:11:46
and family in particularly we've got
01:11:47
Liam over here you know we used to do a
01:11:49
lot of traveling I'd like to get back to
01:11:50
that
01:11:51
but at the moment we've got to you know
01:11:53
we've just finished up in Australia
01:11:54
we've got to rebuild our business back
01:11:56
here and mate there's another you know
01:11:58
fight to be had
01:12:00
literally and figuratively and we're
01:12:02
slowly getting there you know so um yeah
01:12:06
as um is your relationship with your son
01:12:08
one of the things you'd say you're most
01:12:10
proud of in your life oh yeah yeah it's
01:12:12
the number one priority I mean he's been
01:12:14
sitting here he's a grown ass man but
01:12:16
he's been sitting here watching this
01:12:17
whole interview and I think that says a
01:12:18
lot about a lot about you as a person
01:12:20
and a lot about the relationship that
01:12:21
you guys have together Liam
01:12:24
uh listens to more podcasts than any man
01:12:27
I know so it will be remiss of me not to
01:12:29
bring him down to see how they're made
01:12:31
he haven't seen hundreds of them yeah
01:12:33
but it's it's a podcast but it's still
01:12:34
listening to your old man talk [ __ ] for
01:12:36
an hour and a quarter well there's no
01:12:39
there's no there's nothing I've said
01:12:41
that he hasn't heard yeah right right
01:12:43
well that's cool well you've always had
01:12:45
a real close relationship with them as
01:12:46
as I said you used to come on my radio
01:12:48
show and give them a shout out that was
01:12:49
the first thing you did and the fact
01:12:50
that you're in business together now
01:12:51
it's still incredibly close I think
01:12:52
that's his lot not every not every
01:12:54
Father and Son relationship is like that
01:12:56
no they're not and I'm sure I drive a
01:12:58
mentor quite often and I'm sure there's
01:13:00
a number of times when he wants to
01:13:02
headbutt me and to be fair he would
01:13:04
probably be quite right in doing so like
01:13:06
Liam's managed to see things in our
01:13:08
business that I haven't seen and he's
01:13:10
given me advice at times that I haven't
01:13:11
taken
01:13:13
and I need to listen closer because he's
01:13:16
got some great ideas that he understands
01:13:18
a macro part of our business you know so
01:13:20
there's a lot of things we do now
01:13:21
because if there's suggestions yeah I'll
01:13:23
say yeah yeah I suppose young ideas
01:13:25
fresh ideas different perspectives not
01:13:26
big time and if he really really
01:13:28
understands this game because maybe
01:13:30
watches and loves the fights that we do
01:13:32
and he loves UFC and he understands
01:13:35
media so you know it's a pretty good
01:13:37
it's it's a pretty good ground yeah and
01:13:39
he's been rounded all his life Christ I
01:13:41
got photographs of Liam when he was five
01:13:43
or six when I'm fighting and he's in the
01:13:45
corner with a sinuses go Dad that's
01:13:47
pretty cool oh how cool yeah and what
01:13:49
about um what about you personally yeah
01:13:51
you hope to find the one do you believe
01:13:52
in soul mates
01:13:54
I'm not holding my breath I've managed
01:13:57
to get to 57 years and haven't quite you
01:14:00
know got there yet so yeah actually I
01:14:02
was talking to
01:14:03
um I I just had 50 the other week I've
01:14:05
got a mate has a similar age and he
01:14:06
broke up how long you've been single for
01:14:08
now no four or five years oh I've been
01:14:09
seeing I've been seeing a single lady
01:14:11
for the past year right
01:14:13
um but me and JJ we broke up about five
01:14:15
years ago is that your first marriage
01:14:17
yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got to make
01:14:19
that broke up with his wife a similar
01:14:20
time and he's he said the thing that
01:14:22
he's worried about is like getting like
01:14:23
set in his ways now because he quite
01:14:25
enjoys being single now yeah and just
01:14:27
being able to do as he pleases when he
01:14:29
pleases but I think you like you're a
01:14:31
great guy and you've got a lot to offer
01:14:32
someone I feel like you've learned a lot
01:14:33
about yourself as you've evolved you
01:14:36
might want to give me one Dom
01:14:40
give you one like metaphorically
01:14:42
speaking who knows
01:14:46
like do you like are you on any apps or
01:14:48
anything or no no no no no so you'd want
01:14:52
to meet someone organically like that
01:14:53
yeah
01:14:55
I don't think about it too often yeah
01:14:57
like if these things if they happen to
01:14:59
happen if they don't they don't you know
01:15:01
it is what it is yeah and you just get
01:15:03
on and at the moment I got
01:15:05
other priorities and the priorities I
01:15:07
gotta we just we're coming back into New
01:15:09
Zealand we've got to reestablish
01:15:10
ourselves back here we've got a whole
01:15:12
lot of good ideas and we just got to bid
01:15:13
them in and get them done and most
01:15:15
importantly we've got some Fighters
01:15:16
signed to us who are very very good at
01:15:18
what they do and we they deserve to have
01:15:20
a platform you know these guys are
01:15:22
seriously seriously talented so uh we've
01:15:25
just got to provide the platform for
01:15:26
them to do what they do best yeah well
01:15:28
it's great to have you back in New
01:15:29
Zealand and to be here man I got to tell
01:15:32
you like when you're overseas Australia
01:15:33
is a very very tough place to do
01:15:35
business is that if you're a kiwi or for
01:15:37
anyone for anyone like a lot of people
01:15:39
would say it's one of the hardest
01:15:40
markets between that and China is the
01:15:41
hardest markets in the world to crack
01:15:43
and uh it's it's nice being home with
01:15:46
family and friends and what have you can
01:15:48
go and see on a regular basis you know
01:15:50
you run into people in the street and
01:15:51
stuff which is because you haven't lived
01:15:53
there all your life it doesn't happen in
01:15:54
Australia yeah yeah and I mean back here
01:15:56
here you run into your mum and your
01:15:57
sister every time you go home and how
01:15:59
good is that
01:16:00
how good is that yeah that's gonna tell
01:16:03
you this man when I was 21 the last
01:16:05
thing I would have thought I'd be doing
01:16:06
is saying I love living with my mum and
01:16:08
my sister but I do and I love I tell you
01:16:11
what else I love doing I love going down
01:16:13
to waiheke on the weekends and living
01:16:15
and and starting with dad's place at
01:16:17
Rocky Bay you know so little things in
01:16:20
life man that's cool you're quite family
01:16:22
orientated as you get older you be you
01:16:25
know you realize how important it is
01:16:26
yeah but often as you get older you
01:16:28
realize how important it is but it's
01:16:30
like if you had if you didn't have the
01:16:31
relationship with your son all the way
01:16:33
through and you decide now it's
01:16:34
important no no I agree yeah I agree
01:16:36
yeah you need to do the work all the way
01:16:38
through yeah I'm talking about extended
01:16:39
family but even extended family when we
01:16:41
were young we used to all going to work
01:16:43
you on them for Christmas you know like
01:16:45
and you've been there for six weeks and
01:16:46
you had six or different eight branches
01:16:48
of the family there and you'd hang out
01:16:50
together on a regular basis and you
01:16:52
don't realize you just think it's normal
01:16:53
right you don't realize our special
01:16:55
letters until you actually you get older
01:16:57
and other people don't get to do that
01:16:59
sort of stuff you know Mom and Dad they
01:17:01
had they built their first house in
01:17:03
Massey they built a bloody they brought
01:17:06
a section and built a house or built a
01:17:07
batch down at waiheke and we've had this
01:17:09
lifelong affiliation with with waiheke
01:17:12
and Rocky Bay you know which goes right
01:17:13
back to my grandparents in the 30s built
01:17:16
a place of Rocky Bay and back then they
01:17:19
have to do like a one and a half hour
01:17:21
trip on a tram or a bus to get to the
01:17:23
downtown then the ferry was another sort
01:17:25
of two hours and they used to catch a
01:17:28
milk cart from bloody the rocky Bay
01:17:31
store up to their place you know so it
01:17:32
was five or six hours to get down there
01:17:34
and they had six kids in tow
01:17:36
so uh it's amazing how times change you
01:17:39
know and she said would have been your
01:17:40
dream being on the milk truck yeah
01:17:43
you believe this you know sections back
01:17:46
then when I was maybe 22 23 I had the
01:17:49
opportunity to buy sections for five
01:17:52
thousand dollars a section those same
01:17:54
sections are half a million bucks now
01:17:55
it's quite amazing with a passion of
01:17:57
time you know but you got no regrets
01:17:59
about
01:18:00
your financial decisions or anything
01:18:01
yeah financial decisions of course yeah
01:18:04
because if you could change three or
01:18:06
four fundamental decisions along the way
01:18:07
life would be a lot easier but at the
01:18:09
end of the day you can't change it so
01:18:11
you can't think too much about it the
01:18:12
best you think you can do I think is
01:18:14
learn from it learn learn from your
01:18:15
mistakes unfortunately wise people learn
01:18:18
from other people's mistakes
01:18:20
I have to learn from my own so uh you
01:18:24
know hopefully we've learned all the
01:18:26
mistakes from the mistakes we've made
01:18:28
and we can Implement and go well I feel
01:18:30
like you're living with your mum and
01:18:30
your sister by choice so it's not like a
01:18:32
financial decision
01:18:34
to be bluntly honest if I wanted to live
01:18:36
elsewhere I probably could but for
01:18:38
Christ's sake don't tell them that they
01:18:41
can't see this podcast hey mate it's
01:18:44
been wonderful sitting down with you
01:18:45
today I really appreciate you being so
01:18:46
generous with your time and your stories
01:18:48
it's all right brother and it's
01:18:49
wonderful to be here and it's great to
01:18:51
see you're out having a crack by
01:18:52
yourself and fingers crossed you get you
01:18:55
know you get up to a couple hundred
01:18:56
thousand listens a show and you can sell
01:18:58
it off for millions of dollars just like
01:18:59
Joe Rogan did that's that's [ __ ]
01:19:02
terrifying doing something on your own I
01:19:03
mean this is new to me but you've been
01:19:05
doing it for decades now but see what's
01:19:06
really interesting for you is this is
01:19:08
not new to you you've been doing this
01:19:10
exact thing for 30 years this is just an
01:19:12
extension of what you've done the only
01:19:14
thing you're doing differently is you
01:19:17
don't have the guaranteed income and
01:19:19
you've got to get out and sell it
01:19:20
yourself and all those sales reps and
01:19:22
Those Years Gone by that you used to
01:19:24
curse and swear for having you to read
01:19:25
[ __ ] and endure stuff you didn't want to
01:19:26
endorse you're going they actually might
01:19:28
have been good blokes because they
01:19:30
helped pay my wages yeah they used to
01:19:32
say things like oh I pay you a wages and
01:19:34
I'll be like [ __ ] off without the
01:19:35
ratings I deliver you've got nothing to
01:19:36
sell exactly but I do understand it now
01:19:39
yeah well and the thing yeah eating a
01:19:41
bag of [ __ ] yeah and look you know Dom
01:19:44
I'm sure you're going to end up doing
01:19:46
this you'll be the biggest podcast in
01:19:48
the country very very quickly you've
01:19:50
only done what 56 57 apps yeah just a
01:19:52
year on a year that's incredible man
01:19:54
what are you doing one a week yeah one
01:19:55
per week I think I think Joe Rogan does
01:19:58
three a week three a week I'd love to
01:20:00
build up to that level yeah
01:20:02
yeah something is you know the the the
01:20:04
the the
01:20:06
um things been set he's done something
01:20:07
like
01:20:08
1935 apps or something because I've
01:20:10
become quite a follower of him and he's
01:20:12
really impressive it's incredible and
01:20:13
you look back to the early stuff like he
01:20:15
was doing this 10 years ago so he's like
01:20:16
an overnight sensation there it's been
01:20:18
years and years grafting away and he
01:20:20
probably did it just because he loved
01:20:22
doing it 100 yeah there were no
01:20:23
Financial reward in the first however
01:20:25
many years which is I guess why you're
01:20:27
doing this is yeah of course you want
01:20:28
Financial recompense but you actually
01:20:30
like doing what you do yeah and you're
01:20:31
good at it look at some of the
01:20:32
interviews you've done like Mike King I
01:20:34
thought was outstanding oh thanks very
01:20:35
much yeah there's been some been some
01:20:37
really really good ones and uh it's
01:20:38
getting easier and easier to get good
01:20:40
people on the the issue that I have to
01:20:42
get over is um I've always Associated
01:20:44
success with money right and I need to
01:20:47
somehow split those two apart and
01:20:49
realize that they're not always hand in
01:20:51
hand so I've had more feedback about
01:20:54
this podcast I'm doing than what I had
01:20:55
in the last few years of radio so it's
01:20:57
like I know I'm on to a good thing
01:20:58
that's because when um when you're doing
01:21:00
short form radio like you have what a 3
01:21:02
three minute talk right yeah there's not
01:21:04
much you can do you know it's like short
01:21:06
hits try and be funny get in and get out
01:21:08
and you don't really get to talk in
01:21:11
depth like we're doing now oh 100 like
01:21:13
if we're doing for a chat it would be
01:21:14
get Dean and talk about how he drinks
01:21:16
milk get your Scala point and then send
01:21:18
you on your way yeah pretty much you
01:21:21
know we wouldn't get to we wouldn't get
01:21:22
to dig through the surface and find out
01:21:23
that you're living with your [ __ ] mum
01:21:25
what's really fascinating right is that
01:21:27
what's really fascinating with social
01:21:29
media it's all about short clips 15 30
01:21:31
seconds you want to get cut through get
01:21:34
in and get out but Joe Rogan has shown
01:21:37
that long-form media has got a real
01:21:40
place and that's what you you know
01:21:41
you're starting to get into which is
01:21:43
totally opposite to what you've done all
01:21:44
your life yeah
01:21:45
which is pretty interesting that's
01:21:48
enjoyable too it's enjoyable and I can't
01:21:50
thank you enough for coming and being so
01:21:51
generous with your time today great to
01:21:52
have you back in New Zealand and uh
01:21:54
those boxes that you mentioned at the
01:21:55
beginning I look forward to um hearing
01:21:57
more about them Andre michaelovich
01:21:59
Jerome pampalone and of course Jaya
01:22:02
bataya who's the current IVF
01:22:04
cruiserweight champion of the world
01:22:05
they're all very very special in their
01:22:06
own way and they can really fight and
01:22:08
look ahead look out for them on the way
01:22:10
through because they're about to do some
01:22:12
cool stuff
01:22:13
sounds like a made-up name it's too good
01:22:15
to be true
01:22:17
he actually hit the open tires I think
01:22:20
come from West Auckland originally oh so
01:22:22
he's been over there for a couple of
01:22:23
generations but yeah he's a
01:22:25
he's something very very special all
01:22:28
right and so are you Dean lonigan thanks
01:22:30
for your time good man
