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hey Runners only with dime Harley 's
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only with dom Harvey and New Zealand
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television royalty Lee Hart good day
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great to be on you know Runners only you
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know that's what I do yeah I've heard
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um where did the where did the g'day
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mate thing come from What's um what's
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the big story with g'day basically it
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was from my radio days with Jason Hoyt
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right oh is this the afternoon show
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who's your radio on yeah so but where it
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actually came from
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um my father who lives in Christchurch
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now but he's on the west coast and South
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Island originally him and his best mate
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who we've died last year actually
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um that was quite funny whenever one of
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them would walk into the room or they
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saw each other they would always go you
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know
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like with a high up inflection it's
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weird so it was just sort of with me the
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whole time so then on radio
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um Jason all been introduced to you just
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like that and I don't know man you know
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it just sort of resonated so I think my
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father was probably watching that
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listening to that and going he's ripped
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me off
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well it's become like a catchphrase yeah
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and yeah yeah and they're they're sorry
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I was out on a coffee date earlier today
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with um with this um young kid that does
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a podcast he's 20 years old and I told
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him that I was I was I have had you in
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this afternoon he was excited he was
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like so I'll say g'day mate from me who
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is your fan base
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um well that's a really good question
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who knows
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um I'm very disposed who knows it's
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people
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you know a lot of people are familiar
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with sort of the early Moon TV type
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stuff remember coming on your show and
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talking about that when we had a show
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out that kind of thing a lot of those
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people have grown up now so they're in
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their 30s and 40s kind of thing they
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were you know young then that's how long
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ago it was but then you've got a new the
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radio people
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um the ACC people but then you've got
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like you know
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I suppose people that know if I like the
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hell is hella stuff you know I can't
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they say that hasn't had a some sort of
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effect yeah household Shoppers mums you
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know if it doesn't surprise you when
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when youngest sort of people like um you
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know guys in their late teens early 20s
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are massive fans oh yeah totally yeah
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it's it's weird
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um but I think that's the sort of the
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content's always been quite irreverent
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and sort of you know anarchic kind of
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stuff so resonates with younger with
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younger people immature people I think
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they probably see me as
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obviously an adult but probably rightly
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wrongly and immature
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yeah yeah I like that so rather than
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like a demographic it's more like a
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psychograph yeah I think so but the
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people go oh yeah he'd be alive have a
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beer with whatever that might be a real
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pain in the ass you know yeah you know
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but I think to a degree you you probably
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end up
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paying up to that Persona a little bit
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you know I don't know where it starts
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and finishes but you probably end up
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filling in the gaps of people and you
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know in fact that's got to be um
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that's going to be a lot of pressure
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when you're out in public I mean you're
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you're in the early 50s now so I'm
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guessing you're not going to bars or
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clubs all that often oh
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sorry I'm sure you're dead right but as
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it was last night oh yeah because is it
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a nightmare for you being around drunk
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people no so I went to a concert last
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night
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um
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so it was a good night for Thursday but
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obviously we thought oh we'll go to a
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few bars afterwards you know finish an
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idol which is pretty rare you're right
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I'm living just down the road from a
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whole lot but I don't tend to I prefer
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to be at home with a few mates
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um but no you get a lot of people sort
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of come up and you know the photo thing
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you know that's about and
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it's fine actually because people are
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pretty nice to you yeah yeah there's no
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there's no one you know
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a decade you dropped the ball lost us
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that test you know what can they say I
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mean they didn't like the gag that's
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pretty you know yeah I'm a vegetarian I
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hate sausages
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um it's pretty frivolous stuff so that
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you know that's all and it's pretty well
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meaning and no it's not really asking
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about this the other day people go do
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you get sick of it people coming up now
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I quite like it you know not in an
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egotistical way but I quite like that
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it's you're connecting because what
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other way do you have
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of knowing that you know it's not like
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you've got Nielsen data to go you know
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if if
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it's probably more when people stop
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doing that you'd be more that's the
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concern yeah and I suppose in a way
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um I was on someone else's podcast and I
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was saying this I was saying say you're
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Mike McRoberts I guess or Dr Chris
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Warner and you're out in public people
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don't actually like you for who you are
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they like you because you're on TV and
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they recognize you but I suppose if
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someone comes up to you that you've made
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that connection with them and it's a
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reflection of the [ __ ] hard work
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you've done over many years yeah and I
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think so you're right they're they're an
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actor playing a part or a News Journal
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doing a role whereas I think even if I'm
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doing the the college stuff for radio
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stuff
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um whatever it is I I hope I could be a
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little bit presumptuously but I think
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they can see that the real person
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and the social codes are fairly close
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you know they're not too different and
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I'm not going off on like you know
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um totally acting a totally different
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role it's just an exaggerated version of
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who I am so I think in some kind of way
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people relate to it because they think
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Ah that's probably exactly what he's
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like and hopefully I'm not exactly like
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that but they're right it is you're like
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an exaggerated version of yourself an
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exaggerated version that's all that's
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all it is and that's why it's easy to do
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I mean a show like no big breakfast
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where you're playing a
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bethunis reporter really he you know
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really that's going to reject those
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stupid questions the Prime Minister and
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stuff but that's the question is
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going what wouldn't it be funny if you
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did you know that's yeah that's what
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you're doing really is exaggerating it
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um and the jokes normally on me that's
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the idea I've always tried to take that
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approach another another reason people
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might sort of relate to as opposed to
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someone who's going at people and trying
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to expose them and and oh you said this
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you know really I'm just trying to get
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give everyone a laugh entertainment yeah
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and light-hearted and dry and whatever
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but you know I've never thought too much
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about the process or should we've got to
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do more of this or well it would be
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funny it's just it's just yourself but a
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bit more exaggerated yeah I've got mates
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that I think are funnier than me kind of
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thing but they just can't really pull it
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off in any other you know in a sort of
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professional sort of way I suppose but
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you're inspired by them yeah yeah okay
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so um can we went straight into there's
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so much to chat about with you like
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you're such a fascinating intriguing and
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in some ways mysterious guy so I'm not
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talking about my running now no okay can
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we talk about that what is your
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relationship with running I hate it
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tell me
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that's good let's just get it out now so
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yeah well this is the thing with the
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podcast I say everyone in New Zealand
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has got some relationship or connection
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with running even if it's being
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triggered by the doing the school cross
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country
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to have boarding school in Christchurch
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for me kind of young age and it was
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fairly full-on we had to run at six in
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the morning every morning you know
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around the block and you're going to go
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one with the other some people love that
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and they probably got an addiction to it
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then or you know and went the other way
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with me and then I went to high school
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it was even worse because we had quite a
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close College in Christchurch it was
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pretty archaic back then pretty full-on
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um and sports stuff would come up our
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house or whatever it was very
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competitive so the seniors would make us
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run around Hagley Park at like six in
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the morning like nine at night with a
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blue horn and they're right there on a
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bike and you've got to run from the back
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to the front back the front Indian fire
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whatever until we were chundering we're
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literally happened until we're spearing
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up it was just ridiculous
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totally every I've said this before
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every day of that school back then would
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be on seven sharp oh no yeah someone
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would put on Tick Tock and you know
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they'd almost have a section of it every
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day and so for me that's a lot of my
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mates they they ran and they still run
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and it didn't do that to them but for me
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Bill I went to go to church chapel every
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day and now I hate going to church if
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you know what I mean so yeah I think it
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was just had too much of it and it
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didn't come that naturally to me I'd
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rather I'd rather swim for an hour than
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run for now would you yeah yeah quite
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nice for me yeah yeah well I I like the
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reason I run us to the mental health
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benefits like I find it amazing but I I
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mean I said to anyone for me it's
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running but I'm not trying to Ram
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running down anyone's throat
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yeah well I don't do a lot of swimming
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now um but I do boxing and then go to
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gym-based leads boxing for me I really
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like as an aerobic type of thing
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um
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and anything yeah um I'm walking
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yeah yeah yep
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um I've actually remember his ass the
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other day whether I wanted to do uh
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it's not a bucket list thing for me
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everything but the fact that someone
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mentioned it had me thinking I Googled
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it it sounds pretty full-on about 18 000
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feet
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um you know so it doesn't matter how fit
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you are you don't know how you're going
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to react to the altitude and you can be
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really fit
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um but you still may just freak out it
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because you know um and I don't know
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what that's kind of like I used to live
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at 13 000 feet improved for about five
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years when I was a kid yeah yeah I know
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let's go back there so we'll try and do
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this in some sort of sequential order so
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so you're born
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so you're born you're born in Greymouth
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52 years ago and 50 I mean
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I never had anything okay so and you
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moved to Peru at what age yeah that's
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why I left
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um the left New Zealand was about one
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and went to Hong Kong for a couple years
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why Dad's job dad he was an ex he was a
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coal miner and he sort of converted that
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into a tunnel what's you know similar
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sort of thing but you know he's building
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Hydro schemes and irrigation projects
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this kind of stuff so pretty full-on
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stuff so I think Hong Kong was probably
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a hydro scheme or something and then
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Australia I started school in Melbourne
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when it's five for a couple years
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um and then we went to Peru and that was
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the top of the Andes the Miller nowhere
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four hours drive dusty road to the
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nearest civilization it's literally Inca
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Villages all around us and stuff the
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Condor Canyon a lot of people might have
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been up there on a tourism thing now
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there were no roads up there then the
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dad's company had to build the roads and
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that was a 13 30 and a half thousand
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feet up and we were just living up there
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with 15 other expat sort of kids you
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know from England Canada Sweden and just
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in a little school and I loved it I've
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got better memories of that time I'm you
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know more clearer memories than you know
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any other part of my life you know
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really I'm certainly more than my
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twenties
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so you're in you're in Peru for how many
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years yeah I was there for about oh
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about five years right and then then we
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got some back to boarding school parents
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stayed there for a couple years but we
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would travel back and forth who's who's
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waiting oh my brother older brother he
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was about two years older all right
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boarding school in New Zealand yeah so
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you're in New Zealand that boarding
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school your parents are in South America
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11 year old they dropped us back
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and I remember mum dropped us at the
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school and I didn't see them for a year
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then you know at the age of 11 yeah and
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then seven parents for a whole year
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and this is a you and I are a similar
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age that's a time where a toll call
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um was like a thousand dollars
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no email no
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no no FaceTime all right yeah and even
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phone call for him that had to be done
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from his office you know and you know a
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facts maybe would come through to the
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school if it's something important but
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no there's no communication other than
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letter writing and remember they came
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back a couple weeks earlier than I
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thought they were going to I had a thing
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on the on the wall if you actually
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forgot how what they looked like you
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know that sort of you know that's that
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long well you think you're 11 years old
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so a whole year is like 10 of your life
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yeah and it could have gone one way the
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other I mean if we didn't if my brother
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and I reacted badly to the whole thing
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is oh you know they've got all sort of
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homesick and you know eventually they'll
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just have to go [ __ ] this isn't working
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and he'd have to give up his job I
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suppose so he said there's a lot of
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pressure on us to make it work and we're
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both
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I think we got on with it I'm not sort
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of trying to say we sort of toughened up
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or anything but it's certainly and that
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that carried on for the next four you
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know through high school as well but
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they moved from there to Indonesia
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they're Malaysia and Sri Lanka and we
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would travel every school holidays to
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somewhere Indonesia or Malaysia the
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milanoia in the jungle so it was really
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weird
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upbringing that way so I never really
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felt like I always felt like an outsider
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in New Zealand it's weird that people
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imagine that you didn't like have a home
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or a base or I was playing catch up
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rugby literally in the sense I didn't
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know what rugby was until they came back
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at 10 years everyone else grew up with a
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cricket that's why I'm [ __ ] it now
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because I took it up so late you know
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but when I was doing this so I always
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felt like an outsider we had a weird
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accent you know from all the other yeah
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kids to hang out with
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um and especially when we went back of
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course to school holidays you know
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people trying to work out where these
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guys actually from where they're you
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know
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um and it was only in later years
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um post school really that I started to
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even feel like I was a sort of a kiwi
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kind of thing and it's kind of weird
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because a lot of
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um blokes out there I suppose here young
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probably associate me there's a kiwi guy
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kind of thing you know about completely
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yeah yeah but went under sort of
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something I've sort of adapted but
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originally certainly I didn't have that
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upbringing that people would probably
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think I did like growing up in the west
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coast for Tim I didn't know that when I
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was one yeah I still
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I still reference it and the way it was
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a spiritual home you know the
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grandparents and stuff where they used
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to go back all the time and visit it and
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it feels like I feel like I came from
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there because my parents both were and
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yeah I suppose together the product of
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your parents but no I certainly didn't
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really live there so so that yeah
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well you've done it very very well
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um so that yeah so you were 11 years old
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you didn't see your parents were not
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even school holidays what did you do in
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school holidays yeah that we would have
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to go well if go to the West Coast and
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jump on anything myself stay with my
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grandparents on this little shitty
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little in this little house and Grandma
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was just in a wheelchair Granddad was
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Jack and Cole and the fire day didn't
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really talk to us
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[Laughter]
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different ages they just got raised by
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each other kind of thing yeah they're
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not like nowadays how we model coddle
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our kids it's a grandfather's certainly
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not gonna run around and you know you
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know he would talk to us if we talk to
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him
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there's this place called shanty town
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just out of Greymouth which is about 30k
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from where we were living but my
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grandparents and we said hey Granddad
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can we go to shanty town he goes yeah
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there's a bike and the bike in the
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Garrison and my brother and I had to get
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on the same bike and bike every bike you
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know it took about four hours to get
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there and we got there and it was shot
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it was closed I suppose for renovations
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his bike back again and and now all with
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all that state I had an aunt and uncle
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in Christ which you might say they all
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would go to friends places yeah a
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friend's farm this kind of stuff which I
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always
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I think that's something that's I've
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carried on I'm quite a homebody now I
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don't like staying at other people's
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houses much anymore and I'm wondering
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I'm just sort of announced whether it
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was because of that I never liked I
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never felt comfortable staying at
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another
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like getting billeted with the family
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you don't really know and you're sort of
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on your best behavior and you're not
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you're not you're not you're not feeling
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totally comfortable until you know those
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people really really well you know and
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always felt we were a burden on this
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family that felt sorry for us because we
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didn't have any parents so they took us
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and yeah I might start crying in a
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minute did you did you did you cry a lot
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that year no I don't think how are your
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brother's older than you yeah they're 18
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months older so that I made it easier in
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a way yeah but he had no one to look up
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to or support no that's right so and he
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went to high school before I did so he
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sort of paved the way so it was slightly
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easier but having said that we were both
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in trouble a little bit here and there
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not for bad stuff but just you know
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boys sort of stuff but I actually do
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remember when he left
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the the the first we went to and went on
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to high school and left me alone there I
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was actually quite relieved because I
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didn't have to worry about him anymore
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you know which is weird sort of thing to
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say but really yeah how do you make what
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do you mean well I I would have thought
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he would take on the protector role wow
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he's sort of did but what I mean is I
00:16:33
knew I could sort of handle myself in
00:16:34
the sense that if I go in trouble I got
00:16:35
in trouble if he was if he got in
00:16:37
trouble with school
00:16:39
I wouldn't have to know about it you
00:16:41
know I mean um and the same sort of
00:16:42
thing that happened we went to college
00:16:43
College to say the first thing he said
00:16:45
just two years old if you get thrown
00:16:47
down the stairs in a suitcase just roll
00:16:48
with it you know that you just don't
00:16:50
fight back you know because they'll come
00:16:52
after me you know so you know so so he
00:16:55
said I learned I know it sounds
00:16:56
ridiculous now but
00:16:58
just it's like going into prison you
00:17:00
know keep to yourself don't don't look
00:17:01
at anywhere in the eye
00:17:03
don't tell them what you're in for yes
00:17:05
you know back to the wall you know and
00:17:08
uh it's a bit like that so no
00:17:10
that was certainly helpful having an
00:17:12
older brother I think
00:17:13
um yeah I wouldn't be more worried if I
00:17:15
had a younger brother for sure then I'd
00:17:17
seem to look after so you never thought
00:17:18
about that he was probably you know
00:17:19
relieved tonight do you do you look back
00:17:21
now with any sort of like like
00:17:23
resentment at all towards your parents
00:17:25
or no no no and Mum though she's we
00:17:28
wired her up
00:17:29
um sometimes she's got some guilt about
00:17:31
it and I sometimes think when I jumped
00:17:33
up with him oh well mum you know you
00:17:35
abandoned us
00:17:37
and she said she gets really upset about
00:17:39
it but we can only say that because no
00:17:41
honestly it was the best thing that
00:17:42
happened to us I think in a way
00:17:44
um yeah I think because I well there's
00:17:48
no choice in a way there was no future
00:17:51
in education the school in Peru I was
00:17:54
this 15 year old or 10 year old you know
00:17:56
those sort of like Little Country School
00:17:57
okay nowhere we had to get educated at
00:18:00
some point and that obscure
00:18:04
upbringing you can't you couldn't you
00:18:07
couldn't script it you couldn't pay for
00:18:09
that and expect you know it was just so
00:18:11
Random I think a lot of those
00:18:12
experiences
00:18:14
hopefully have probably shaped other
00:18:16
stuff I've done
00:18:18
later on risks I've sort of Taken I
00:18:21
suppose to think [ __ ] well it's you know
00:18:22
if we could get through that we can you
00:18:24
know do anything sort of thing or um
00:18:27
when I said earlier I felt different
00:18:31
would sometimes felt like a negative
00:18:33
thing
00:18:34
it could also have been a positive thing
00:18:35
I think I felt different so I could do
00:18:38
something different yeah I mean I wasn't
00:18:40
expected to do the normal things you
00:18:41
know whereas if I may be growing up you
00:18:44
know the whole new typical New Zealand
00:18:46
thing you know primers you know primary
00:18:48
schools rugby doing that sort of stuff I
00:18:51
just would have been another another I
00:18:53
don't know I'm sure that must have
00:18:55
affected
00:18:59
one of the most resilient people on New
00:19:02
Zealand TV I think uh and in terms of
00:19:04
what you've what you've what you've done
00:19:05
just grafting your way through I wonder
00:19:07
how that comes from your childhood yeah
00:19:09
I think so I think so um and it didn't
00:19:11
you know it's all your combined
00:19:13
experience and the school as well yeah
00:19:15
it was such a I mean I I was in trouble
00:19:18
a lot at the high school you know what
00:19:19
sort of what sort of trouble are we
00:19:21
talking well it was a boarding school so
00:19:23
sneaking out at night
00:19:25
um you know not going to church hiding
00:19:28
in the park
00:19:29
um I wasn't a smoker but there was
00:19:31
people smoking the bikes so they would
00:19:32
be getting caned for that
00:19:35
um you know no I was never into anything
00:19:38
later on of course it was drinking that
00:19:40
kind of thing but there was never
00:19:42
anything too sinister there's no such
00:19:43
drugs or something like that it was more
00:19:45
taking the piss I suppose you know just
00:19:48
being a smart ass it's such a structured
00:19:50
school we didn't have to do too much to
00:19:51
be a class comedian you know um it
00:19:55
sounds a bit like my I went to pharmacy
00:19:56
boys high so if you've walked around
00:19:58
with your socks down by your Nomads or
00:20:00
your tricks that was detention totally
00:20:02
and then if you get three intentions
00:20:03
they can't give another one so they can
00:20:04
you yes you know so and because you're a
00:20:07
border uh they'll be dating you every
00:20:09
week and you'll be like well I've got
00:20:10
nowhere to go anyway
00:20:13
again it could have been so easy to have
00:20:17
gone the other way rather than gone I
00:20:20
hate this and I look back now and all
00:20:22
the I had the caning record for one term
00:20:24
36 or 40 Strokes or something at a 10.
00:20:27
well then they do like one at a time or
00:20:29
two strikes you either get two and
00:20:31
there's no such thing as one there was
00:20:33
two three four or six there's no such
00:20:36
thing as five
00:20:46
but
00:20:50
but it once again once you get in
00:20:53
trouble and you're on the radar of of
00:20:54
these sort of teachers and stuff and
00:20:56
you're on a short leash
00:20:59
look back now I'm going we're
00:21:01
much easier to play you know and you
00:21:03
would never be in trouble and just you
00:21:05
could have gone to them if you knew what
00:21:06
you knew now you could have yeah with
00:21:08
anything but now you have to you know we
00:21:11
had of course um our boarding house is
00:21:13
famous for having Charles Upham the war
00:21:15
hero there yeah Victoria Cross one yeah
00:21:17
that's right so we kind of aspired he
00:21:20
would have done this kind of he would
00:21:21
have snuck out and got Burgers down
00:21:25
you can use that mission to Justified
00:21:28
well that's 50 years ago you know look
00:21:31
um yes I think um again it could have
00:21:33
gone one or the other you know I mean I
00:21:34
got suspended
00:21:37
um it was for breaking even and drinking
00:21:38
something but for two weeks and that was
00:21:40
pretty tough because my parents were
00:21:41
overseas
00:21:43
um and I had to go stay at my aunt and
00:21:45
uncle's house in Christchurch you know
00:21:46
and
00:21:47
um I had to explain to them that you
00:21:48
know
00:21:49
I actually even think about it now I've
00:21:51
that's been pretty tough for them
00:21:54
um missing out sort of the one minute
00:21:56
that see us as a 13 year old or a 12
00:21:58
year next thing that we were 15 next
00:22:00
minute were the university I mean
00:22:02
there's just jumps you know
00:22:05
um I mean how's your brother did is he
00:22:07
turned out good
00:22:08
[Laughter]
00:22:16
he's he's good he so we were pretty
00:22:19
close in a way we're not the sort of you
00:22:20
know Huggy sort of close because he's
00:22:23
certainly not like that but I think
00:22:25
where she probably got close to a lot of
00:22:27
other brothers but again because of the
00:22:28
bizarre experiences we went through that
00:22:30
only that only we know yeah absolutely
00:22:34
even our parents don't know in a way
00:22:35
exactly how it was well I think we're a
00:22:37
close family because of that
00:22:39
um because now you can't explain it to
00:22:41
anyone else
00:22:42
how weird it was but I bet he's good and
00:22:45
I was in a band with him for about three
00:22:46
or four years
00:22:48
um which was good he you know he's
00:22:50
different older brother he's the one
00:22:52
that tells me what I'm doing wrong and
00:22:55
he if he's handy he can fix stuff and he
00:22:58
comes around to my place that I've done
00:22:59
he's always checking things out now he's
00:23:01
going to leave like that are you oh
00:23:02
you're gonna you know why'd you why'd
00:23:04
you do it that way you know he's very
00:23:05
you know what is what does he do he's
00:23:07
sort of doing uh web sort of online
00:23:11
stuff editing you don't even know online
00:23:13
it's like being with my brother and
00:23:15
sisters I don't really know what they do
00:23:16
I don't care
00:23:18
you're famous why should you make
00:23:21
everybody no but he's good he's uh he's
00:23:23
been a good um yeah a good inspiration I
00:23:26
suppose yeah and where are your parents
00:23:28
now they still overseas now so they
00:23:30
retired
00:23:31
um and yeah just out of Christchurch so
00:23:33
so they were in the UK for your dad um
00:23:36
helped build the uh the English Channel
00:23:38
tunnel yeah
00:23:39
oh you did as well yeah so what happened
00:23:41
he his last
00:23:44
in Sri Lanka uh one of the later jobs he
00:23:47
lost his leg below the knee
00:23:49
um when I was my last year at school I
00:23:51
think in a telling accident sort of so
00:23:53
that he didn't retire he kept working
00:23:54
another 10 years or so but it kind of
00:23:55
affected
00:23:57
some of the jobs he would do he wouldn't
00:23:58
be going so far to the jungle and stuff
00:24:00
so he ended up getting a job on the
00:24:02
channel tunnel you know between England
00:24:04
and France course and that's such a
00:24:05
massive project that you know ten
00:24:07
thousands of guys working on and he was
00:24:09
heading up a whole
00:24:10
sort of Department almost the all the
00:24:13
outside stuff going in kind of thing and
00:24:15
so because of his leg he wasn't really
00:24:17
allowed in the tunnel
00:24:19
and by this stage my brother and I were
00:24:21
at University
00:24:22
or I was my first year I think
00:24:24
and pretty much goofing around you know
00:24:27
that first year were you well yeah what
00:24:29
was your ba
00:24:31
you don't think what really was a sort
00:24:33
of look people
00:24:34
at University I'll go I'll sort of that
00:24:36
later yeah yeah yeah and the first year
00:24:38
was certainly a case of
00:24:40
look I'll get it all out of my system
00:24:42
this year and catch up all the points
00:24:44
next year you know just so and it was
00:24:47
the start of my second year and I was I
00:24:49
suppose I started to knuckle down and
00:24:50
and there were jobs getting the channel
00:24:52
tunnel you know laboring some jobs such
00:24:53
really really good money because it's
00:24:55
all on the bonus system so he rang up
00:24:56
and said look
00:24:58
um it wasn't really nepotism in a way
00:24:59
because you wouldn't be working anywhere
00:25:01
near him or anything but you know he a
00:25:03
few contacts said okay so my brother and
00:25:05
I both went over and got a job on the
00:25:07
channel tunnel for about three years
00:25:09
um
00:25:09
pumping concrete into the into the roof
00:25:12
that sounds like real hard work really
00:25:14
full-on and again that feels like
00:25:15
another life well it wasn't that hard I
00:25:18
mean
00:25:18
um yeah sort of young then and but it
00:25:21
was again we talk about bizarre
00:25:23
experiences
00:25:25
this ridiculous amount of different
00:25:27
shift patterns so everyone's living in
00:25:28
pretty much in the Two Towns Dover or
00:25:30
folkestone on the English side and it
00:25:33
was a 24 out for about three or four
00:25:35
years it was just 24 hour people would
00:25:37
be coming off their shift you'd be
00:25:38
finishing work at three in the morning
00:25:40
and you could be on that shift for two
00:25:42
weeks in a row so you have to go for a
00:25:44
beer of course after work so you're
00:25:45
you're at about three in the morning
00:25:47
till six and then you go to bed at six
00:25:50
in the morning and wake up at one in the
00:25:52
afternoon get up have a shower you
00:25:54
haven't seen daylight yet because you're
00:25:55
in the tunnel and then you know and or
00:25:58
you could be so long story short no
00:26:00
matter what shift pack you were there
00:26:01
would be thousands of people literally
00:26:05
on the past 80 24 7 it's like Las Vegas
00:26:08
there's no daylight or no clocks yeah no
00:26:11
clocks and of course because of that of
00:26:13
course heaps of women Etc move the town
00:26:15
all these guys heaps of money so the
00:26:16
whole thing turned into a sort of um
00:26:17
Yukon Gold sort of rush sort of town for
00:26:20
two or three years
00:26:22
um which is incredible and again so many
00:26:24
characters and stuff there imagine all
00:26:26
these people who are Irish from northern
00:26:29
England Wales Scottish you know all the
00:26:31
mining sort of parts of the UK working
00:26:33
there and really funny full-on work hard
00:26:35
sort of play hard guys so again probably
00:26:38
more bad habits
00:26:40
they end up you know it's normal to be
00:26:42
drinking at five in the morning you know
00:26:44
okay can you bury it sex in the morning
00:26:45
because you you do your shift yeah you
00:26:47
did it you know but it's not so normal
00:26:49
if you do it now unless you're at the
00:26:51
airport for some reason yeah
00:26:53
it doesn't matter you know so okay so
00:26:57
you you did one year university then you
00:26:59
went overseas for three years but then
00:27:01
you came back to New Zealand and
00:27:02
finished your degree
00:27:04
um and I pretty much well always music
00:27:07
was always there or thereabouts with us
00:27:09
and I ended up going to Scotland after
00:27:11
that and I left the tunnel and played a
00:27:14
little duo with a friend of mine like a
00:27:15
band was that wild turkey
00:27:17
it was the it was the you know so Matt
00:27:20
and I just I got a guitar and stuff and
00:27:22
we almost in pubs but sort of bust away
00:27:25
for a few months think [ __ ] this is
00:27:28
really good here if we had a half decent
00:27:29
band we could come back here and do
00:27:31
something good so we went back to New
00:27:32
Zealand hooked up with my brother
00:27:33
started a band we're pretty Rough and
00:27:36
Ready sort of three-quarter rock and
00:27:37
roll sort of band but we had something
00:27:39
about us
00:27:41
um probably a lack of knowledge of how
00:27:44
bad we were that was probably our
00:27:46
biggest skill
00:27:48
ignorance
00:27:51
ego is bigger than our talent and so
00:27:54
much so this is pretty cool we put a CD
00:27:56
out and stuff and original stuff but
00:27:59
um saved a whole lot of money up went
00:28:01
back to Scotland
00:28:02
um played there for about another two
00:28:04
years or so a year or so and then from
00:28:06
Scotland went to France at the ski
00:28:08
resorts and played there and and that's
00:28:10
where we went to jail oh yeah yeah
00:28:12
you've done hard times 11 days
00:28:17
what was there for like an immigration
00:28:18
thing yeah it was enough I I should get
00:28:20
a better story for it because it was
00:28:22
nice
00:28:23
really it was we were playing too loud
00:28:26
and we're on the radar of the the French
00:28:28
police there anyway they'd been a few
00:28:29
warnings but it didn't seem too serious
00:28:31
that time for us but one day they put
00:28:33
our van over and pretty much asked for
00:28:35
our paperwork you know papers you know
00:28:36
and it sort of seemed that we'd come in
00:28:40
illegally which we didn't assess that
00:28:41
our passports weren't stamped but
00:28:43
besides that we didn't really have work
00:28:46
permit to be you know so the con
00:28:49
um confiscate all our money search our
00:28:51
apartment home to find a lot of stuff
00:28:53
there but I've just found a lot of
00:28:54
bottles of bourbon I'd say and then uh
00:28:56
then they sent us to Jail uh awaiting
00:28:59
deportation
00:29:00
11 days that seems well it's not it's
00:29:03
not an exact science so they that they
00:29:05
go it could be two days they go you stay
00:29:08
here until we book the cheapest flight
00:29:12
we can you know we can make all the
00:29:13
arrangements kind of thing and they can
00:29:15
keep you a maximum of 11 days or 12 days
00:29:18
or something so you could have gone at
00:29:19
seven but for some either on purpose to
00:29:22
make a point or just through the
00:29:24
bureaucracy of the whole thing it ended
00:29:25
up being the full stint
00:29:28
no good behavior but that was funny
00:29:31
because you think oh it's just an
00:29:33
immigration prison but actually that was
00:29:34
quite full-on because
00:29:37
um you gotta imagine you know France is
00:29:39
fairly you know with the whole um
00:29:43
their past you know there's Morocco
00:29:45
everyone everyone else in there was from
00:29:47
um Algeria Morocco you know um
00:29:50
the French Colonial you know overstands
00:29:53
and stuff but these guys have been here
00:29:54
for 20 30 years in France they've got
00:29:55
families and kids there so they're
00:29:57
getting deported back to war torn
00:29:59
countries and stuff and they're pretty
00:30:00
desperate guys I don't want to be going
00:30:03
back you know so there's there's some
00:30:05
pretty yeah um
00:30:08
two little white guys in there you know
00:30:10
it was just ridiculous I mean they were
00:30:12
Hunger striking and everything to you
00:30:14
know to make a point and we're like oh
00:30:15
[ __ ] okay and they would say to us are
00:30:18
you hunger striking with us today why no
00:30:21
no it's quite good
00:30:24
are you having that knife but you know
00:30:28
it was it was kind of funny but Matt was
00:30:30
quite Matt Johnson he was the drummer
00:30:33
um who I did moons TV stuff with a
00:30:35
little bit later on as well but I
00:30:37
remember in this van driving there and
00:30:39
uh he was quite worried he's a couple
00:30:41
years younger than me I wouldn't say he
00:30:42
was you know upset or anything but I
00:30:44
could tell he was really you know quite
00:30:45
quite sort of scared and I said look
00:30:48
don't worry mate it'll just be like a
00:30:49
glorified departure Lounge we just won't
00:30:51
be able to leave you know um and you
00:30:53
know until we fly out he goes okay the
00:30:56
van pulls around this thing and it's
00:30:58
honestly it's like cold it's Castle I've
00:30:59
got a photo for something I've got to
00:31:01
try and get more handy and I end up we
00:31:04
end up Googling the place later on
00:31:06
um you know more recently recently and
00:31:09
that actual building used to be used um
00:31:11
by the Gestapo in World War II because
00:31:13
this is Leon and um the guitar and the
00:31:17
cassava used it for interrogating you
00:31:18
know people and stuff during the war and
00:31:20
so it's a pretty you know it was an
00:31:21
actual jail it was an actual jail yeah
00:31:23
it was sales and stuff but I suppose um
00:31:25
I mean you could feel sorry for yourself
00:31:26
but yeah like the way you explained
00:31:28
before about you know people being
00:31:29
ripped from their families and sent back
00:31:31
into the awful countries I suppose it
00:31:32
gives you a bit of perspective oh look
00:31:34
we by the stage we couldn't wait to get
00:31:35
back to New Zealand
00:31:40
we almost felt like we were
00:31:51
and they've sort of made a special
00:31:53
faster for something that I bring drinks
00:31:54
and stuff
00:31:55
but long story short once we got back to
00:31:58
New Zealand we said that experience
00:31:59
combined with you know it's a you know
00:32:01
we have a fairly a lot of fights going
00:32:03
on with the band and stuff and God knows
00:32:04
why when I think about it but it's a lot
00:32:06
of stress we sort of realized that we
00:32:08
let's let's just give the band a bit of
00:32:10
a break okay and let's do other stuff so
00:32:12
yeah so because you because you we so
00:32:14
when you're at University you started a
00:32:16
newspaper called um the Moon Moon Yeah
00:32:18
well I was more actually around about
00:32:19
this time so I went back and said let's
00:32:21
give the band
00:32:23
[Music]
00:32:27
um and I went to film and TV School
00:32:30
thinking okay I might give that a crack
00:32:32
as a film and TV school that it was it
00:32:35
was a total waste of time
00:32:37
and money other than the fact that it it
00:32:39
because nothing's really a wasted time
00:32:41
if you get something out of it and I
00:32:43
think what I got out of it was quite
00:32:45
like this kind of stuff couldn't put my
00:32:46
finger on it what I wanted to do whether
00:32:48
it was directing writing whatever but in
00:32:50
that area
00:32:52
um and also that it might be okay at it
00:32:53
you know I mean you know did you have
00:32:55
sort of a Creative Flair even though
00:32:56
you've never done anything creative yeah
00:32:58
I think so I was always I mean I always
00:33:00
the band
00:33:02
had a bit of that going on because you
00:33:03
know when you do so many really good
00:33:06
gigs but then terrible gigs you know in
00:33:08
Timaru there's four people there and
00:33:09
someone's like the movie putting the
00:33:11
Jukebox music on doing the thing or
00:33:13
you've got to stop at 7 23 on the dot
00:33:16
and they and the fans got a shot in the
00:33:18
and racing now
00:33:20
a dog races on you've got to stop then
00:33:23
you're Pagan you really have to develop
00:33:25
a sort of a thick skin and a sort of a
00:33:26
sense of humor yeah so we're to have the
00:33:28
three of us on stage so although we we
00:33:30
thought we're a pretty cool sort of rock
00:33:31
and roll band I'm gonna think about it
00:33:33
we're actually more of a comedy show
00:33:34
really we're going um you know amusing
00:33:36
ourselves we're going there's four
00:33:38
people there ignoring us we're going
00:33:39
well we've got a dance competition
00:33:41
coming up very shortly and what are the
00:33:42
prizes man well we've got a set of
00:33:44
waterproof bed sheets to give away and
00:33:45
we've got a one-hours fans do any more
00:33:47
than that yes we've got this and uh you
00:33:49
know so make sure you enter the dance
00:33:51
competition
00:33:53
get off get off you know but so that I
00:33:57
think and always liked humor like comedy
00:34:00
that sort of stuff but again I didn't
00:34:02
grow up with the New Zealand committee
00:34:03
though it was probably more British
00:34:05
stuff at all but even overseas we didn't
00:34:07
really have TV or anything so maybe from
00:34:10
your parents whatever but yes I went to
00:34:12
film a TV school I thought I'm one way
00:34:14
to make some money
00:34:15
I started up a newspaper and because it
00:34:18
came out monthly
00:34:19
I would call it the Moon
00:34:21
it says oh that's where it came monthly
00:34:24
cycle yeah as opposed to the sun you
00:34:26
know so it was a satire paper so like
00:34:28
the onion yeah I think was I familiar
00:34:31
with the onion then maybe I was or maybe
00:34:33
was the onion even a thing then
00:34:36
it sort of preempted probably more
00:34:37
remember this this Comics there's a bit
00:34:40
like that
00:34:41
and I didn't really like the cartoons
00:34:43
but the the classifieds and the stupid
00:34:47
um I've got for sale a secondhand
00:34:49
microwave only this sort of stuff and
00:34:51
it's just ludicrous stuff
00:34:53
I think that inspired me so I ended up
00:34:55
writing all the columns you know there's
00:34:56
a Garden City Yeti fat to affection is
00:34:59
there really a Yeti going through the
00:35:01
Henry Park kind of thing you know
00:35:03
Bigfoot stuff and writing all the
00:35:05
columns then selling advertising to
00:35:07
people you know so how many how many I
00:35:10
like in my mind I've got a vision of
00:35:12
like the Coffee News
00:35:15
16 to 20 Pages [ __ ] yep so you know how
00:35:19
much of it was how many how many ads how
00:35:21
much content mainly content yeah mainly
00:35:23
content and then there'd be a few ads
00:35:26
and a few fake ads and a few ads I just
00:35:28
put in for free for people that didn't
00:35:30
even know I put in that just to make it
00:35:31
look you know but just I was working
00:35:33
until four in the morning and it's
00:35:34
amazing how you used to have your work
00:35:35
ethic that's one thing that has changed
00:35:37
four in the morning and it was quite a
00:35:39
Hands-On thing again this is pretty
00:35:40
digital so I'd have to print out all the
00:35:43
stuff these articles stick them on these
00:35:45
sort of broad sheets with PVA glue and
00:35:48
stuff and I made bits of letters and
00:35:50
headlines stuck in my head in the
00:35:51
morning all sort of stuff then send it
00:35:53
down to Timaru where it got printed by a
00:35:56
newspaper printer that sent 10 000 these
00:35:59
things back a jump in a van go around
00:36:01
all the cafes radio stations we'd ever
00:36:03
drop them off and put them out for
00:36:04
nothing oh you're doing like a okay I
00:36:07
sort of imagined you like going to the
00:36:09
library and photocopying it and doing it
00:36:10
like a small route ten thousand copies
00:36:12
oh yeah that was legit yeah that's why I
00:36:14
have to use a proper newspaper printer
00:36:16
to do it because it would have been too
00:36:17
expensive to
00:36:19
um some of the free things to like rip
00:36:21
it up make it free thing yeah and I was
00:36:22
trying to make money from the
00:36:23
advertising so I never made any money
00:36:25
but I might have what it did I did
00:36:27
enough to do the next step next month
00:36:30
you know
00:36:31
um and then I moved to Auckland now to
00:36:33
pursue TV and I thought I'd carry on I
00:36:35
might as well keep the paper going you
00:36:36
know more again probably out of ego then
00:36:39
soon it wasn't Financial
00:36:41
um so did you feel like you were on to
00:36:43
onto something though did you feel like
00:36:44
it could be yeah I thought that this
00:36:47
would take off
00:36:49
um and at different timings with that
00:36:50
content I think it probably could have
00:36:52
but nothing is wasted because I was
00:36:54
trying it hard to get jobs in TV and I
00:36:57
got to the stage where I was done about
00:36:58
16 issues of this thing by this stage
00:37:02
um and I was trying to get jobs on TV
00:37:04
and a friend of mine her Father John
00:37:07
Harris ran greenstone pictures and she
00:37:10
was saying you gotta at least into TV
00:37:12
he's quite cool you should take him on
00:37:14
and give him a you know look we're not
00:37:16
hiring anyone at the moment oh look he's
00:37:18
writing this newspaper by himself and
00:37:19
stuff and he's been a journalist in this
00:37:22
Phillips and he looked at it and he must
00:37:25
have been amused enough to go oh God yes
00:37:26
I've got to meet this idiot so you look
00:37:29
back now so this um this is like mid-20s
00:37:32
this is like 25 26 six years ago
00:37:33
whatever um you look back now do you see
00:37:37
it from the perspective Van Gogh
00:37:37
actually there's some quite good stuff
00:37:39
here well that's the thing
00:37:42
it morphed and so I ended up getting a
00:37:44
dumb TV because of it because of the
00:37:46
pure effort of it not the content of it
00:37:48
but then as TV progressed and I started
00:37:51
doing my own stuff was that Moon TV
00:37:54
right and you've got to come up with
00:37:56
ideas and the first thing I do is just
00:37:58
grab all the papers and just start going
00:38:00
through and that and you've got a whole
00:38:02
lot of scripts there you've got four
00:38:03
years worth of scripts and even to this
00:38:06
day sometimes I find an old one and go
00:38:08
that's quite funny I might rip that off
00:38:09
and use it
00:38:10
as a radio show gag or um
00:38:14
turn around and make it just that Line's
00:38:17
quite funny whatever there's so much
00:38:18
content I think I've pretty much picked
00:38:20
a dry now you know well it said you well
00:38:23
geez that's amazing so you've always
00:38:26
been a hustler
00:38:27
yeah you've always been like just think
00:38:29
yeah I mean and I wonder if um some of
00:38:31
that sort of work ethical that um
00:38:33
resilience or durability comes from
00:38:35
everything you went through before that
00:38:36
like the boarding school years
00:38:38
um the English tunnel years I think so I
00:38:41
think there was
00:38:43
see I never thought of as a hustling but
00:38:45
you have always thinking I was not
00:38:47
waiting for permission to do something
00:38:49
if you know what I mean not going
00:38:51
through a whole funding thing for two
00:38:53
years and find out no we don't think
00:38:54
it's good you know
00:38:56
I always had an attitude well I'll find
00:38:59
another way I'll just do it yourself
00:39:00
yeah yeah and it might not pay off the
00:39:02
first time around but maybe the second
00:39:04
run will and they'll say oh he is doing
00:39:06
it okay we're all fighting I mean
00:39:08
um yeah actually yeah I want to want to
00:39:10
get into all that because um your
00:39:12
website moonflix incredible and the the
00:39:14
content on there you scroll down it's
00:39:16
exhausting you've done your body I mean
00:39:18
we just
00:39:19
but
00:39:22
um
00:39:23
first of all so so you're at greenstone
00:39:25
TV working behind the scenes doing
00:39:28
research and stuff how do you end up on
00:39:30
um Sports Cafe as that guy yes
00:39:34
I was kind of familiar with sports
00:39:35
campus to watch it and during the week
00:39:37
and stuff and Mark Alice was kind of a
00:39:39
friend but he seems to think we knew
00:39:42
each other better than he might be right
00:39:44
but I seem to think he was more of a
00:39:45
friend of a friend then
00:39:46
um we're mates and stuff but um and they
00:39:50
were always short of a guest you know
00:39:51
just the way Rick used to run things and
00:39:53
oh [ __ ] mark would always go oh don't
00:39:56
worry mate I'll sort it out I'll get one
00:39:57
and he would always bring one of his
00:39:58
mates on there and there's people like
00:39:59
Ben hickey or Cannonball before me and a
00:40:01
few other people and they've always and
00:40:03
always went really well you know and one
00:40:06
day there was this shot of a guest he
00:40:08
came down to my flat and Parnell there
00:40:10
somewhere
00:40:11
and I think he was trying to get my
00:40:12
flatmate to come on say come on it'd be
00:40:15
quite funny and this guy was by this
00:40:17
stage but I mean I've got a real job now
00:40:18
Mark I've got to go to work in the
00:40:20
morning this sort of stuff
00:40:21
um go to ask Lee he's down the end
00:40:23
they're probably making his newspaper
00:40:25
you know and he he came in my room and
00:40:28
said hey mate do you want to come on
00:40:30
sportscast tonight and
00:40:31
I'm glad I said yes but at the time I
00:40:33
would have could freaked down and think
00:40:35
[ __ ] you know a bit of warning would
00:40:36
have been what do you mean now he said
00:40:38
yeah look I've got this he's I've got
00:40:40
this tupperware container full of garden
00:40:42
snails
00:40:43
I said yes
00:40:45
um we'll go down and we'll pretend
00:40:47
you're at the international snail
00:40:48
trainer going to the snail Olympics here
00:40:51
we go next thing we're in a car head in
00:40:53
the Sky Studios and running a few lines
00:40:55
and no one else on the show knew that I
00:40:57
was a fake guest other than that so Mark
00:40:59
knew but no one yeah they must how can
00:41:01
how come on um
00:41:03
how do I smell [ __ ] with that I
00:41:04
don't know it could be paid it so
00:41:05
strange right you know so maybe
00:41:06
obviously is there an Olympics or is
00:41:09
there an international snail racing in
00:41:11
Cincinnati or not if there is maybe he
00:41:14
is going you know so he just paid it
00:41:16
straight enough that
00:41:17
um it was believable
00:41:20
maybe they just assumed I was a Nutter
00:41:23
who at least believed he was going you
00:41:25
know as long as they believe something
00:41:27
and uh let's keep this Jazz very hard to
00:41:30
keep straight face on it
00:41:31
um and it seemed to go down pretty well
00:41:34
in the next week let's do a follow-up on
00:41:36
on um where is he now kind of thing what
00:41:38
happened you know so there's a couple
00:41:39
other stories
00:41:41
um apparently must have gone down well
00:41:42
but it's hard to tell because I didn't
00:41:44
even have a studio audience then you
00:41:45
couldn't get any reaction
00:41:47
and then um someone left the show
00:41:50
um Cannonball left the show and
00:41:53
Rick obviously heard that I was working
00:41:54
in TV anyway and had a sort of an
00:41:56
interest in it and um you know and
00:41:58
probably could bring
00:42:00
something to the show so he said would
00:42:02
you want to do a weekly segment you know
00:42:04
and I didn't get I didn't want to get a
00:42:07
stupid name like Cannonball or anything
00:42:09
like that so I just stayed away from
00:42:10
that I just want to be myself
00:42:12
but in the meetings he he wanted to
00:42:15
always give a handle to something so he
00:42:17
would say well what's um that guy gonna
00:42:19
do this week then once that guy you know
00:42:21
so you ended up getting ironically even
00:42:23
stupider name if I'm not wanting one you
00:42:26
know yeah that does it does has that
00:42:28
still stuck to this day or is it a
00:42:30
certain age
00:42:32
some people just
00:42:35
um because I feel like you and Jeremy
00:42:36
wasn't probably similar in that respect
00:42:37
where he's known as New time to people
00:42:40
of a certain demograph he's known as
00:42:41
Newsboy and always will be you'll be
00:42:42
that guy I feel like the younger people
00:42:44
would have no idea
00:42:46
um younger people yeah sure definitely
00:42:48
so so that was um just going back to the
00:42:50
snail thing so I watched that on YouTube
00:42:52
the other the other day when I heard you
00:42:53
were coming over
00:42:54
um yeah it did Pan as [ __ ] and did you
00:42:57
squash a snail yeah
00:43:00
and I suppose that's Kodak I kind of
00:43:04
regret that now because I probably
00:43:05
wouldn't do that anyway just because
00:43:06
it's mean yeah yeah exactly it was mean
00:43:09
and I I don't like hurting animals and
00:43:11
stuff if you want to call a snail an
00:43:12
animal at least it's right on the bottom
00:43:14
of the chain I suppose but still was it
00:43:17
was an attention seeking thing to do you
00:43:19
know it was a shock thing to do in line
00:43:21
I was like you know
00:43:22
um you can't I mean it was um you know
00:43:25
you were swimming in those comedy Waters
00:43:26
at the time and it was acceptable then
00:43:28
for the age yeah you had to kind of go
00:43:30
then you know once it came into your
00:43:31
head you had to sort of go through I
00:43:33
mean it didn't really you know regret it
00:43:35
at the time or anything but
00:43:37
[Music]
00:43:41
I mean if you're in a band now you
00:43:45
wouldn't be writing the songs or doing
00:43:46
other stuff that you would have been
00:43:47
yeah you know you can't you're growing
00:43:49
change if you're not embarrassed by some
00:43:52
of the stuff you've done in your younger
00:43:53
years I think you've wasted your life oh
00:43:54
that's right yeah oh big time
00:43:57
um yes so I was doing both jobs I was
00:43:58
doing the greenstone serious sort of
00:44:00
so-called TV and then each week rushing
00:44:02
off and doing the having to do a field
00:44:04
story each week for Sports Cafe and
00:44:06
eventually Sports Cafe became more and
00:44:08
more
00:44:09
a bigger thing so I'm the left
00:44:12
greenstone and went full time with that
00:44:14
and starting to make my own stuff I
00:44:15
suppose yeah
00:44:17
that stuff is that guy was like
00:44:20
groundbreaking game changing like you go
00:44:22
to all black press conferences and make
00:44:24
it make a pest of yourself was that
00:44:25
awkward as [ __ ] in the beginning I
00:44:27
suppose once people get to know you yeah
00:44:29
funny enough
00:44:31
um and this is where it's
00:44:33
effort to sort of claim
00:44:35
TV making sort of skill
00:44:39
um was a good thing like I'm not
00:44:42
that confident type of person and I'm
00:44:44
not type of person that would walk into
00:44:45
press conference and make it all about
00:44:47
me and fall through the Venetian blinds
00:44:49
you know just get attention that's not a
00:44:51
Borat type I couldn't do that yeah I'd
00:44:54
freak out or a guy Williams type of
00:44:56
thing I can't do that kind of stuff
00:44:58
rather I tend to think what's it going
00:45:01
to look like on screen as long as that's
00:45:02
funny so it's more about editing and I
00:45:04
don't want to give away that way don't
00:45:06
ask the stupid question but really it's
00:45:08
about you know wide shot close-up
00:45:09
close-up cutaways of that guy reacting
00:45:11
but he was reacting to something else
00:45:13
earlier on so I've got these press
00:45:14
conferences and all the other media will
00:45:16
be there oh here he is again whatever
00:45:17
and they'll be sitting there and by and
00:45:20
large nothing would really happen you
00:45:22
know from their perspective and if it
00:45:23
did you wouldn't be invited back each
00:45:26
week you know if you kept going in there
00:45:27
and make it about yourself and you know
00:45:29
setting yourself on fire or setting a
00:45:31
fire extinguisher off you know it just
00:45:33
wouldn't they'll just get sick of you
00:45:35
and it's quite a selfish thing to do but
00:45:37
but when they watch the footage back
00:45:40
even the people I interviewed
00:45:42
that's when the craziness would happen
00:45:44
because that's the cutaways that they
00:45:45
hadn't seen it's the backstory that they
00:45:47
don't know about was running late to the
00:45:48
press conference whatever you know by
00:45:50
and large the actual things that
00:45:51
happened there occasionally you had to
00:45:52
put yourself out there and ask a pretty
00:45:54
stupid question like you know Reuben
00:45:56
Thorne and the huddle
00:45:58
you know uh what do you do you know I'm
00:46:01
there for the full 80 minutes if you
00:46:02
need to do poos in a big game you know
00:46:04
you have to actually ask that you know
00:46:06
and and everyone everyone's got what you
00:46:08
know but that's about as far as I'd go
00:46:10
because that's I'm not the kind of
00:46:11
personality oh and the Jake's got to be
00:46:14
on me as well I I don't like ambushing
00:46:16
people and making them feel
00:46:17
uncomfortable right and he did that once
00:46:19
and what was that
00:46:22
um do you remember the old um
00:46:24
motor reporter Murray Walker he was an
00:46:27
old as an old old fella he's the voice
00:46:29
of UK um Motor Racing for all the years
00:46:32
you know through the classic years and
00:46:34
he was releasing a book and he was a
00:46:36
guest on Sports Cafe coming out well he
00:46:38
wasn't a guest my job was to go and do a
00:46:41
field story with him
00:46:43
um you know on his book launch I said
00:46:45
how what can I do different because
00:46:47
you're sort of in competition with
00:46:49
yourself to come up with a different
00:46:50
angle each week you don't want to sort
00:46:52
of oh we did that last week that
00:46:54
physical gag let's do something a little
00:46:55
different so with him I thought okay
00:46:58
first time I thought let's do something
00:46:59
almost in real time
00:47:01
so I met him at his hotel
00:47:03
and in the lobby and before he got there
00:47:06
I sort of arranged I had two cameras
00:47:07
this time instead of the one that went
00:47:09
you know so this was so I could get his
00:47:11
reactions in real time and what I'm
00:47:13
doing in real time so it is kind of real
00:47:16
you know and so I got there and he's
00:47:19
I've arranged for this actor mate Matt
00:47:21
again we didn't even tell the Hotel this
00:47:24
but I put him in a suit and there John
00:47:25
and made out he was the manager of the
00:47:27
hotel you know and he's not never let me
00:47:29
just just we just do this we sit down
00:47:31
and I'm sitting there in the lobby and
00:47:33
you're Murray Walker there and I'm going
00:47:35
Murray welcome to the show you've got a
00:47:37
new book out tell us how you got into
00:47:39
Moto you know it's all very serious I'm
00:47:40
playing very straight and then in the
00:47:42
back of my shot you can or a shot of
00:47:44
something you can see Matt storming over
00:47:46
like with the sort of uh
00:47:48
piece of paper stuff and yes he
00:47:50
interrupts the interrupts the interview
00:47:52
mid I'm sorry uh Mr Hyde you have a good
00:47:55
time in your room last night did you you
00:47:57
know and you can see my my remote space
00:48:00
going and he's feeling really sorry for
00:48:02
me and he goes you have a good time at
00:48:04
the gym did you uh did you enjoy your
00:48:06
minibar did you you know and he goes
00:48:09
well yeah well yeah I just had a couple
00:48:11
he didn't pay for me did you and he
00:48:12
makes me stand up and goes and I'm I'm
00:48:15
giving her in those little bottles of
00:48:17
whiskey
00:48:19
I'm I'm having to hand them over and
00:48:22
Murray Walker's in there going
00:48:24
what this is for real and he's feeling
00:48:26
sorry for me and I just it's so hard to
00:48:28
do because without breaking
00:48:30
and it was in well this is going for
00:48:31
ages and Matt was playing the greatest
00:48:34
sorry sorry and he walks off
00:48:36
I go oh sorry about that my only goes
00:48:38
you're sure you know yeah cool and then
00:48:40
he goes and at the end another question
00:48:42
that's going okay you see him coming
00:48:44
over again here we go
00:48:45
and we're just escalating and he and he
00:48:48
pulls out this sex store from behind him
00:48:50
oh
00:48:58
biting my cheeks trying not to laugh and
00:49:01
the the reason I felt better because he
00:49:04
wasn't in on it normally I would say hey
00:49:06
Dom we're gonna do a story here if I ask
00:49:08
a few questions silly could just play
00:49:10
along with it just play straight it'll
00:49:11
look better on the end of the day but
00:49:13
for reasons because I didn't want him to
00:49:16
he wasn't he wasn't where who I was and
00:49:18
wasn't familiar with my so it was easy
00:49:21
just to do it you know yeah and I regret
00:49:23
it because he was a bit upset afterwards
00:49:24
oh was he the Aldi sort of guy because
00:49:26
he found he got taken advantage of and
00:49:28
used in a cheap stunt but he was so I
00:49:32
ended up selling a bottle of wine
00:49:34
insane to Rick I'm not comfortable I
00:49:36
don't want to run this story he's not
00:49:37
he's he doesn't want it
00:49:39
um and then he end up talking to his Pas
00:49:41
but then they ended up running it
00:49:43
um but it's a very little known man I
00:49:44
think it was in a weird time a long
00:49:46
weekend or something that didn't seem to
00:49:47
go out I've still got a copy of it but
00:49:49
oh my God that was hard work oh that's I
00:49:52
think you're being um did you did you
00:49:54
think it was good until you realized
00:49:55
there was a bit of backlash yeah I
00:49:57
promise I thought my God this is really
00:49:59
this is a great thing that's what
00:50:00
exactly as I imagined and Matt was great
00:50:03
and this his reactions this Mario was
00:50:05
like and at the end I think it finishes
00:50:07
off with me asking Murray Walker if I
00:50:08
can borrow 40 bucks or something to pay
00:50:11
you know all right it was just something
00:50:13
it was just ridiculous but and that was
00:50:15
the most I suppose borati I've ever gone
00:50:19
um
00:50:19
I feel like you shouldn't be beating
00:50:21
yourself up about that it seems like the
00:50:23
joke was on you it was it totally was he
00:50:26
didn't he was asked and he were
00:50:28
promoting his book
00:50:29
um he was just answering the questions
00:50:30
he was asked intelligently I was one
00:50:32
looking like a total idiot but he just
00:50:34
felt that the whole interview about his
00:50:36
book was
00:50:37
secondary to me trying to get a comedy
00:50:40
right so which it was you know yeah all
00:50:43
right are you quite a sensitive guy I
00:50:45
feel like you just don't don't want to
00:50:46
understand people I don't like letting
00:50:48
people feelings or anything you know um
00:50:50
or
00:50:52
um especially unintentionally you know I
00:50:54
wouldn't I know yeah definitely I think
00:50:56
so you know yeah so so Sports Cafe so
00:50:59
after that what was after was it Moon TV
00:51:02
straight after that or yeah or at the
00:51:03
same time in a way right
00:51:05
um Sports Cafe had a sort of a season
00:51:07
about 36 shows or something to be off
00:51:08
air for 10 weeks and it'll come back
00:51:10
again so in the 10 weeks it's off I went
00:51:13
to Sky and said look
00:51:15
well if I came out with a comedy show
00:51:17
would you better stick it on in this
00:51:19
space or something and I'll go get the
00:51:21
sponsors or something and said I am so I
00:51:22
end up getting a one sponsor or
00:51:24
something
00:51:25
yeah Auto Trader was it auto trader
00:51:27
maybe an auto trader I think yeah it was
00:51:29
so Random so yes so so Sky TV there was
00:51:32
so like we can't give you any money for
00:51:34
a show but if you want to do a show yeah
00:51:35
knock yourself out and that kind of from
00:51:37
that I thought you know that's probably
00:51:38
how it's going to work from now on so I
00:51:40
did end up getting New Zealand Air
00:51:42
funding for a few series of moon and
00:51:43
other things and went to tvnz but
00:51:46
I didn't mind going to sponsors as long
00:51:48
as sponsors don't meddle with it and
00:51:50
they get they just if they understand
00:51:52
that you're just trying to make a good
00:51:53
show and if you make a good show again I
00:51:55
get the benefits anyway you don't have
00:51:57
to shoehorn their messages too much into
00:52:00
it I feel like you've always done that
00:52:01
quite successfully over the years though
00:52:02
shoehorning stuff in yeah the clients
00:52:06
that you've got in the obligations to
00:52:07
them you've always made it quite fun
00:52:09
creative oh totally and I don't think um
00:52:11
I don't I don't recall any sort of real
00:52:13
bad experience with sort of clients
00:52:15
being on your case to bring it up and
00:52:16
can we do this can we do that so no they
00:52:18
sort of leave you to it my life more so
00:52:20
now because they trust you even more I
00:52:21
think but back then probably a little I
00:52:24
think what house of travel ones
00:52:26
um sponsored something I did and they
00:52:28
were a little bit you know you know it's
00:52:30
a soft brand or something and
00:52:33
um but other than that no it was it was
00:52:36
pretty good yeah that's amazing yeah so
00:52:38
um
00:52:39
I mean there's there's one famous story
00:52:41
that they get sold over and over again
00:52:42
about Flight of the Concords so they
00:52:44
they pitch their TV show to tvnz and TV
00:52:46
and said we're like yeah we'll do it but
00:52:47
we want to change this and this and this
00:52:49
and they ended up to Brenton and
00:52:50
Jermaine ended up turning it down ended
00:52:52
up being a BBC Radio Show and then an
00:52:54
HBO show and the rest is history
00:52:56
um was it so like that with you like a
00:52:58
few or did no one did none of the TV
00:53:01
networks want to make your show
00:53:03
um I think with me it was a case of
00:53:06
yeah put its way it's it's ironic now
00:53:08
because people at networks now that
00:53:11
you'll be dealing with were like
00:53:14
kids or potentially fans back then you
00:53:17
know now they're in the positions of
00:53:18
power to make these days younger than me
00:53:19
now make these decisions but they're
00:53:20
familiar with your stuff but back then
00:53:22
the people were 20 years older than me
00:53:24
and they don't know who this young
00:53:25
upstart is and that you know and they
00:53:27
don't get it it's too too random too
00:53:29
random just trust me it's you know see I
00:53:32
got sick of trying to not just as hard
00:53:34
as making a show let alone convince
00:53:36
people it's worthy of getting made so
00:53:38
I'd rather just go look I'm just going
00:53:39
to make it and you do what you want with
00:53:41
it and at the time I saw it as a curse
00:53:44
but all my stuff is on at like 10 at
00:53:46
night 11 at night 10 30 at night you
00:53:48
know which is kind of not bad now but
00:53:51
back then I said what this is better
00:53:53
than that it should be on earlier but
00:53:54
the beauty of that was it became a cult
00:53:57
thing as opposed to uh you know um the
00:54:01
fast burn type sort of show when you
00:54:03
have you know and you can do what you
00:54:04
want and they just left you to it they
00:54:05
didn't even look at the footage really
00:54:06
before they put it to air and the other
00:54:09
beauty of that is I end up owning all
00:54:11
the footage because they didn't really
00:54:12
care they said yeah you make your show
00:54:13
whatever but you know but if I was on 7
00:54:15
30 at night or even something like 80
00:54:17
meeting like eating media lunch no I
00:54:20
mean Jeremy doesn't have any ownership
00:54:21
or control of that whereas everything
00:54:23
I've done I own you know and yeah
00:54:29
yeah so
00:54:32
um yeah and your body of work is is
00:54:34
[ __ ] massive I mentioned your website
00:54:36
earlier Moon Flex which has a very very
00:54:38
similar looking logo to Netflix yeah not
00:54:41
some purpose
00:54:42
um how do you like this noise at a
00:54:44
paywall or anything how do you monetize
00:54:46
that people can watch any of your stuff
00:54:47
for free we haven't really monetized it
00:54:49
in a way it was um
00:54:51
it's a work in progress in that sense
00:54:53
but what it was
00:54:54
more than anything is it's an archive
00:54:58
um so we've got hard drives all over the
00:54:59
show and if I if I suddenly think of a
00:55:02
clip I've got to ring up my brand mate
00:55:03
into and say hey if you've got to copy
00:55:05
that thing can you make a follow that
00:55:06
and said you know
00:55:07
so we made the decision let's upload as
00:55:09
much as we can over time up there and
00:55:11
we'll worry about how to monetize it
00:55:13
later once it's up there
00:55:15
um and it kind of works I mean we've got
00:55:17
um a whole series up there like
00:55:18
mysterious planet or the latest
00:55:20
Heartland show we did so if I was
00:55:22
interested in say um pitching or selling
00:55:25
that to a an overseas Network I could
00:55:27
just send them a link and they can see
00:55:29
incredible that kind of stuff it's just
00:55:31
easier but as I say it'll be easy to
00:55:33
monetize because what we can do we can
00:55:36
sell
00:55:38
um the banners and the stuff around
00:55:39
there you know you can have that for a
00:55:40
month or we can even take the video if
00:55:42
you like all the speedo cup stuff we
00:55:44
could take those off
00:55:46
re-upload them with Speedo cops brought
00:55:48
to you by you know Dom Harvey you know
00:55:51
and and there you go so but we haven't
00:55:53
really done that because it's sort of
00:55:54
too busy making other stuff and
00:55:57
um
00:55:58
someone else to kind of do that you know
00:56:00
yeah and if you've got like a sales team
00:56:01
or anything or no no that's probably
00:56:03
what it needs but
00:56:05
um
00:56:06
yeah I think the key is just to get more
00:56:08
stuff up there some of the older stuff
00:56:09
before it gets lost forever
00:56:12
um which it will
00:56:13
um because we're the only ones that with
00:56:15
versions of it but I see stuff coming up
00:56:17
all the time on YouTube people other
00:56:19
people are hosting my stuff on YouTube
00:56:20
on their Channel I might as well put out
00:56:22
myself oh yeah yeah I was gonna answer
00:56:23
that because a lot of your stuff's on
00:56:24
YouTube because you are and a lot of
00:56:25
it's got like quite High viewing numbers
00:56:27
as well do you make do you make
00:56:28
reasonable money off YouTube not really
00:56:30
I've forgotten well like a couple
00:56:32
hundred a month a few hundred hours oh
00:56:33
yeah but I don't I mean most of the
00:56:35
stuff that's got big views is some of my
00:56:37
clips that someone else uploaded you
00:56:39
know and you can chase that down
00:56:41
you know could you take his down and you
00:56:44
upload your old man it's got no gears
00:56:45
because I've already seen it you know
00:56:47
a lot of those silly shows overseas
00:56:50
world's wackiest write-offs you know and
00:56:52
people fails fail army kind of shows
00:56:56
um a lot of your stuff appears on that
00:56:58
and you're going what you know how did
00:57:00
that end up there yeah and you know I
00:57:02
think we have done some deals with
00:57:04
certain companies that will do that
00:57:05
stuff a lot of it it has been ripped off
00:57:08
yeah are you not not that financially
00:57:10
driven are you just more into the
00:57:12
creative I just yeah you pick your
00:57:14
battles I think yeah I mean what what
00:57:16
are you gonna do what are you going to
00:57:17
get out of it
00:57:19
um
00:57:19
if you were more thought you would have
00:57:22
uploaded yourself and you know there was
00:57:24
definitely a time to be doing that I
00:57:26
think I probably should be doing more of
00:57:27
that monetizing the whole lot
00:57:30
um maybe licensing the whole lot to
00:57:32
someone else and let them do it you know
00:57:34
it might be an easy way doing it but
00:57:36
um I sort of financially driven enough
00:57:38
to I want to make money and be
00:57:39
comfortable but
00:57:41
certainly more creatively driven than
00:57:43
financially yeah if I want to start
00:57:45
making shows because I want to make it
00:57:47
and because
00:57:49
it will help the big picture overall
00:57:52
branding of other things I'm doing as
00:57:54
opposed to
00:57:55
I want to get rich off this particular
00:57:57
TV series yeah
00:57:59
yeah you've um one one person that's
00:58:02
been involved in a lot of your TV over
00:58:03
the years um Jason Jason Hoyt yeah
00:58:06
um yeah you guys um did a radio show
00:58:08
together the Abuja that we talked about
00:58:10
from Radio hauraki um I see you sort of
00:58:13
back together working together now but
00:58:15
there was a there was a there was a bad
00:58:16
bit there for a while with you too I I
00:58:18
heard stories about you guys at whole
00:58:19
deck at the end and it's you couldn't be
00:58:21
in the same room well you couldn't talk
00:58:23
to each other yeah said that too look
00:58:26
how do I
00:58:28
I don't know what happened we we I asked
00:58:32
do you want to hear what
00:58:33
um I asked Matt Heath about it uh he
00:58:35
does the breakfast on holiday he had a
00:58:37
theory and I I was in radio at the time
00:58:38
and I thought this Theory made a lot of
00:58:39
sense he said um he said uh don yeah the
00:58:43
show you do you look for things that are
00:58:44
topical and then you come up with
00:58:45
something off that he said these guys
00:58:47
every day they're inventing a show based
00:58:50
on nothing but their own imaginations
00:58:51
and he and he's he said that
00:58:54
um eventually you're going to get Juiced
00:58:56
and uh that was his take on it would
00:58:58
that be a fair take or what no I don't
00:59:00
think so actually
00:59:01
um all respect
00:59:06
like I met one of the show started where
00:59:08
you started off on just a half hour show
00:59:10
once a week on a Saturday or something
00:59:11
that we ended up doing alternative
00:59:12
commentary or other way around
00:59:15
um
00:59:16
and we'd work together with TV and we
00:59:18
always worked well but
00:59:20
um but it's always sort of um just for a
00:59:22
couple of days here and there but
00:59:25
way similar age
00:59:29
we were professional friends if you know
00:59:31
I mean we never sort of hung out right
00:59:33
yeah I've never been to his house
00:59:36
that's what I'm saying but
00:59:37
on on the show we're we've got a lot in
00:59:40
common but we have a lot that we're not
00:59:42
in common
00:59:43
um so but we never argue about anything
00:59:46
uh we never argue about it I think I
00:59:48
think if I put my spin on it
00:59:51
it was a kind that the show you can have
00:59:55
a smoke and mirror's show or it is what
00:59:57
it is
00:59:58
and
01:00:00
from Jesus perspective it was more sort
01:00:02
of smoke and mirrors you know okay we're
01:00:04
heading down here we're going to begin
01:00:05
address I was kind of more living that
01:00:07
life for real in a way
01:00:10
um Jace doesn't drink right
01:00:12
um he's given up a while ago for reasons
01:00:15
but probably good reasons
01:00:17
um you know but no and that's for
01:00:19
respect from I still do and still did so
01:00:24
if we're doing a Friday sort of party
01:00:26
type show it was kind of a Friday party
01:00:27
again I'm talking about that
01:00:29
authenticity I'm not saying you have to
01:00:31
drink to be authentic I'm far from I'm
01:00:33
saying and for someone I think like Jace
01:00:37
who was a you know a reformed alcohol
01:00:39
you know basically struggled with that I
01:00:43
think and yeah and he had some other
01:00:45
pressures going on
01:00:47
um
01:00:48
and say at home but with other sort of
01:00:49
stuff yeah in that field I think and I
01:00:52
almost I think I became the
01:00:55
um the brunt of his frustration focus of
01:00:57
it and I I don't think he had anger this
01:00:59
we've never really talked about it no
01:01:00
but we get on good but but it's not like
01:01:02
we had to sort of repair it then because
01:01:04
we weren't hanging out together the
01:01:06
whole time anyway but it got to a stage
01:01:08
at the end there where he said he was
01:01:11
good in the show
01:01:12
and I said okay and then I said well I
01:01:15
don't really want to do a show if you're
01:01:15
not doing it you know so I said well I
01:01:18
could as well you know because I wasn't
01:01:19
too worried about the show the money
01:01:21
side of it I was I love doing it but I
01:01:24
wasn't going to try and
01:01:25
find someone else to replicate the the
01:01:28
chemistry that we had you know
01:01:30
um and he
01:01:32
he was he just wanted to go and do a
01:01:35
late night talk show by myself 11
01:01:38
o'clock at night talking to you know he
01:01:40
was you know and he struggled with uh
01:01:43
and you know been the most the right you
01:01:48
think it's just talking on the radio is
01:01:50
traveling the country you're doing all
01:01:52
the the stuff and oh there's a lot of
01:01:54
[ __ ] and I was having to do a lot of
01:01:57
that on his behalf and away or would
01:01:58
both do it but he didn't like doing that
01:02:00
side of it and fair enough a lot of
01:02:01
people don't
01:02:03
um having to meet sponsors for lunch go
01:02:05
and have a beer to get them over the
01:02:07
line just you know he wouldn't be into
01:02:09
doing that which is fair enough
01:02:11
um and I didn't mind doing it so
01:02:13
there was this sort of Yin Yang sort of
01:02:15
thing going on but
01:02:16
so I said I don't want to show if you're
01:02:18
not going to do it then it gets
01:02:19
confusing then he came back for a while
01:02:21
without me and and then I got talked to
01:02:24
it and I said okay I'll do it with these
01:02:26
guys you know and then
01:02:28
but I said I also had an issue that I
01:02:32
was not doing the TV that I wanted to do
01:02:34
in radio it was a drive show I had
01:02:37
plenty of time in the morning but it's
01:02:38
hard to do a TV show when you've got to
01:02:41
be in there each day yeah and you can't
01:02:43
just disappear for a week and leave
01:02:45
everyone on the Lurch where he does
01:02:47
often make a half-ass TV show so I
01:02:50
thought well this is a good opportunity
01:02:51
I can I we'll just draw a line under it
01:02:53
here and go and um get back into some TV
01:02:56
stuff
01:02:57
um you know because radio goes so quick
01:02:59
as you know [ __ ] two years ago on and
01:03:00
all we've got to show foot is a whole
01:03:02
lot of ridiculous shows which were great
01:03:04
shows right
01:03:05
um but then so I did that I sort of quit
01:03:08
I said and then Jace decides to come
01:03:10
back kind of thing and he's still there
01:03:13
now with um kind of doing what we did
01:03:15
the first time around but you know so
01:03:18
look I don't know um he might have a
01:03:20
better he's probably the only person
01:03:21
that could answer it and whether he
01:03:22
answers it honestly or not that's the
01:03:23
honest most honest version I can come up
01:03:25
with but no I'm certainly haven't fallen
01:03:26
out I mean I just saw them just the
01:03:27
other day
01:03:29
um
01:03:30
um at the ACC you know and we get on
01:03:32
good but
01:03:33
friction and he's the creative
01:03:35
partnership is a quite a common thing we
01:03:37
didn't really have any friction stuff I
01:03:39
mean we were it was just funny we'd be
01:03:41
cracking up you know we love doing each
01:03:43
other TV is a slightly different thing
01:03:45
um because I'm a I'm not control freak
01:03:47
but it's my show I've got I'm making
01:03:49
this thing
01:03:50
well I'll get Jace along for the stuff
01:03:52
we do but he literally just shows up for
01:03:53
the day you know yeah um and that could
01:03:55
be frustrating because I'm I'll be
01:03:57
scripting most of stuff kind of thing
01:03:58
and but I don't mind that because when
01:04:00
he comes in he brings so much to it you
01:04:03
know and takes it from here to here you
01:04:05
know
01:04:06
um whether it's the fishing show or the
01:04:08
late over breakfast you know he's such a
01:04:10
good performer he doesn't need much but
01:04:12
that was but those shows were hard work
01:04:14
for me because once he goes I'd have to
01:04:17
deal with the editing the other stuff
01:04:19
trying to work out what guests we can do
01:04:21
and how can we different angle on this
01:04:23
and you know but once I got an angle and
01:04:25
a rough script I could just Chuck it out
01:04:27
of him and he would bring his own magic
01:04:29
to it you know yeah that's why it worked
01:04:30
really well
01:04:32
um and I think we'll probably do some TV
01:04:35
um together again but what it does it
01:04:37
forces you to get out of your comfort
01:04:39
zone a bit and work with some other
01:04:41
people as well you know you're probably
01:04:43
guilty of
01:04:44
relying on you know
01:04:46
doing the same stuff relying on people
01:04:48
who you're comfortable working with you
01:04:50
know yeah and that's a good opportunity
01:04:52
to be done stuff but yeah we'll do
01:04:54
plenty more together yeah well it's good
01:04:56
that there's no bad blood there you
01:04:57
probably just needed a break from each
01:04:58
other it is I think people underestimate
01:05:00
how um intense it is doing a radio show
01:05:01
with another person I think you know and
01:05:03
I hope
01:05:04
to be kind to myself
01:05:10
and I think we did have a good thing he
01:05:12
did say that that he was going through
01:05:14
some other stuff
01:05:17
that
01:05:19
um
01:05:20
you know
01:05:23
and this kind of thing and that's that's
01:05:25
fine by me I don't mind being I don't
01:05:27
mind that happening you know it's going
01:05:29
to happen you know I'm not sort of
01:05:30
people I'm not the sort of person that
01:05:32
Falls Avenue I don't think I'm falling
01:05:33
out with anyone in my life on anything
01:05:34
you know what I mean so um apart from
01:05:37
the old guy from the UK the Motoring
01:05:41
away now a rest in peace
01:05:44
um [ __ ] we've been I just looked at the
01:05:46
uh the clock we've been going for over
01:05:47
an hour we haven't even gotten to you
01:05:48
into your entrepreneurial side of things
01:05:51
you got to be anywhere are you good for
01:05:53
a little bit Yeah so um okay so
01:05:56
um how did that come about where was
01:05:59
that well again it's all it's all a
01:06:01
continuation of the same thing so I
01:06:03
never wanted to say suddenly go oh my
01:06:04
God I think I could make a beer better
01:06:06
than anyone else and make a beer it was
01:06:09
a pure again exaggeration of the same
01:06:12
character thing so I remember you'd make
01:06:15
a TV show It's All or Nothing
01:06:17
you get it made it's all exciting so you
01:06:20
end up going on your show and talking
01:06:21
about the show in the morning oh great
01:06:23
go ahead and drive show talk about the
01:06:25
show goes on how anyone sees it people
01:06:27
talk about it have a few laughs I loved
01:06:28
your show but then it's off
01:06:32
you know yeah
01:06:34
um and you've got another six months
01:06:35
before you make another show and it's
01:06:36
All or Nothing meanwhile you start
01:06:38
seeing at the Wellington sevens half the
01:06:40
people dressed up the speedo cops and
01:06:42
stuff and start going that's really cool
01:06:44
but there's people are really getting it
01:06:46
and I just wanted the Networks TV
01:06:48
networks to see that kind of love or
01:06:51
connection but they don't you know you
01:06:53
go into their office to pitch the next
01:06:54
show they don't even they go they don't
01:06:56
ever go oh yeah it's going off
01:06:58
everyone's really related to the stuff
01:07:00
um so I wanted to find a way to keep the
01:07:02
continuity going between sort of shows
01:07:04
and not financially but you know so I
01:07:07
thought what could I do to
01:07:09
um connect with people still you know do
01:07:12
we have a sparrow cop shows or live
01:07:14
shows or something doing this and I
01:07:16
suddenly thought well if I do a beer
01:07:17
with a similar sort of branding and
01:07:19
attitude of the TV shows that'll be out
01:07:21
there the whole time people can can
01:07:23
enjoy it or not so literally he was
01:07:25
sitting in the office there was three of
01:07:26
us in there
01:07:28
and I said look hey guys I'm thinking
01:07:29
might do a beer brand
01:07:31
for a laugh and they said oh yeah okay
01:07:33
um and I thought about calling them back
01:07:35
in Changi because on Sports Cafe used to
01:07:37
be sold I went to the waikato river and
01:07:39
did a silly story where I was talking
01:07:40
about the river going the old workout
01:07:43
I said where it came from a stupid word
01:07:47
and um I get people that come to me and
01:07:50
I go hey you ripped off our name for the
01:07:52
waikato river that we we could chat said
01:07:55
mate how are you I heard that 20 years
01:07:57
ago you know and they got it for me for
01:08:00
they you know but so anyway I rang up a
01:08:01
brewery oh no I put it on Facebook said
01:08:03
think about doing a beer called wacky
01:08:05
Changi it'll be about what you think and
01:08:07
it just kind of went off because back
01:08:09
back in the day when Facebook was quiet
01:08:10
yeah yeah yeah so I said [ __ ] I've got
01:08:13
to do it now it's one of those moments
01:08:14
where you
01:08:15
you commit to something uh and that you
01:08:19
you have to follow through now let's be
01:08:21
like hey I'm gonna Kilimanjaro or I'm
01:08:23
gonna do the coast to coast and you tell
01:08:25
everyone and I [ __ ] I've got to do it
01:08:26
now you know yeah so it's a bit like
01:08:28
that so I remember the brewerian
01:08:30
and I said can you make the beer and
01:08:31
they say oh we've got a beer we could do
01:08:33
it just put a sticker on it with your
01:08:34
stuff and I wrote all the crap on it and
01:08:36
so it's more about the attitude of the
01:08:37
beer you know not taking bet seriously
01:08:39
it was good quite nice beer is so
01:08:42
subjective anyway yeah how could people
01:08:45
hate it anyway yeah you can't get five
01:08:46
people in a room and agree on the same
01:08:48
BSC well I've noticed that the
01:08:49
supermarket next door where I live the
01:08:51
new world they've got a massive massive
01:08:52
range of craft beer and it's just like
01:08:53
stickers put on the uh put on a can it's
01:08:55
probably the same beer and all of that
01:08:57
totally
01:08:58
um so that was the attitude of that and
01:08:59
that took off so
01:09:01
um and then is that quite a lucrative
01:09:03
thing yeah it certainly was so I got
01:09:06
involved in another Brewery mccashins
01:09:08
they ended up coming on so other than me
01:09:10
having to run it like I was there and
01:09:12
that was pretty hard work because I was
01:09:14
Distributing the stuff and everything
01:09:16
oh yeah so you're a couple of times in a
01:09:18
van like dropping boxes off at stores
01:09:20
and things
01:09:22
but
01:09:24
but a cash is probably came
01:09:26
okay we'll go halves and
01:09:28
have some spiritual make the bear you
01:09:29
can do the marketing and it became quite
01:09:31
lucrative then and then from that we did
01:09:33
the chips kind of thing you know
01:09:35
um yeah
01:09:36
um yeah you're accelerating this way too
01:09:39
fast okay so so the beer and then um
01:09:42
from That Snack of Changi checks chips
01:09:44
which you you've
01:09:47
we were talking about Mark Ellis before
01:09:49
you arrived and you know making all this
01:09:51
money from orange juice I mean it's like
01:09:53
how did someone see a gap in that market
01:09:55
to me it's the same with like salt and
01:09:57
vinegar chips it was a clustered Market
01:09:59
there's these copper kettles and
01:10:01
bluebird or whatever but you sort of
01:10:02
reinvented the chip wheel but I think
01:10:04
it's a comedy of errors and
01:10:07
it's that's what do you call that sort
01:10:09
of navigation
01:10:10
um
01:10:13
it's like basket you know you're
01:10:14
following stars but you're probably
01:10:15
going that way that way that way you
01:10:17
know it's um not like a direct route
01:10:19
yeah there's some sort of term for it
01:10:22
might come back to me but um
01:10:24
that I didn't sort of suddenly thought
01:10:26
think I'll I was thinking what would be
01:10:29
good with the beer a good government for
01:10:31
the beer and be honest I was slightly
01:10:33
bored again because I was waiting I was
01:10:36
in between Seasons I wanted to get the
01:10:37
beer into cans for the brewery and the
01:10:40
brewery I was working with mccashins
01:10:41
they were trying the hardest to get a
01:10:42
canning line but they didn't have one
01:10:44
yet and I said well come use someone
01:10:46
else's whatever so I was a little bit
01:10:47
frustrated because it's hard to keep
01:10:48
marketing the same thing saying oh
01:10:50
Beer's still here drinking you know I
01:10:52
wanted to tell the story that were in
01:10:54
Cairns now whatever so in the meantime I
01:10:56
thought okay how can I keep the story
01:10:57
going with something else so
01:10:59
I could have been I was thinking about
01:11:01
doing nuts or you know chips something
01:11:03
to do with beer
01:11:05
long story short I think I contacted
01:11:07
Griffins and said
01:11:09
um I'm Keen to do some chips
01:11:12
um The Wacky jangi sort of kind of thing
01:11:14
and they got me in for a meeting and
01:11:16
this is where it gets weird because they
01:11:18
would expect me to be the wacky kind of
01:11:20
guy you know like come up so they were
01:11:22
thinking okay what are you think here
01:11:23
they're going to be like beer flavored
01:11:24
chips are they beer and chive and cheese
01:11:27
or something
01:11:29
you know what you know so this is the
01:11:32
common sense yeah like just because yeah
01:11:34
it's a so-called wacky crazy guy that's
01:11:37
that sounds like they're terrible in the
01:11:38
hell would that sell
01:11:40
so I said what are your top four flavors
01:11:42
and I said well salted salt vinegar and
01:11:45
barbecue or something I said well let's
01:11:47
probably make sense to do those but then
01:11:49
they said well we've already got those
01:11:50
that's how you know about we'll do it
01:11:51
different and with a different spin on
01:11:53
it
01:11:54
they said okay that sounds good um and
01:11:56
then they said what sort of Chip do you
01:11:57
want to do and I suddenly realized
01:11:59
that's pretty unprepared for this sort
01:12:00
of meeting and I didn't really know that
01:12:02
much about it so I was going oh yeah
01:12:04
well you know I didn't want chipset
01:12:06
broke away in the dip and stuff had to
01:12:07
be it so I was thinking about a thick
01:12:09
chip anyway
01:12:10
so I said that sort of threw the
01:12:12
question back I said well what are you
01:12:13
doing now what do you do now and I said
01:12:15
well we do a thick chip we do that we do
01:12:17
a crinkle gun and we do a kettle fry as
01:12:19
well and I said oh cool can you do all
01:12:22
that to the same chip
01:12:24
and I remember I was sitting in this
01:12:26
boardroom and all of a sudden you know
01:12:28
someone asked the r d on there
01:12:33
you know next thing we did that and it
01:12:35
somehow locks the flavor and I think
01:12:36
somehow I don't know but um because they
01:12:38
are more flavoursome than any other chip
01:12:41
they of course came up with the sort of
01:12:43
the the flavor that we went in for
01:12:45
tastings we said not that one we so we I
01:12:47
suppose we all sort of came up with the
01:12:49
profile so to speak but in the day it's
01:12:51
still a salt and vinegar chip which is
01:12:53
now vinegar and salt because the vinegar
01:12:55
is more you know full-on in ourans I
01:12:57
think you know so that's what you have
01:12:58
to do just put a Twist on the same thing
01:13:00
vinegar and salt instead of salt and
01:13:01
vinegar yeah but and I mean you see the
01:13:03
packaging and it's um it's it's very
01:13:04
funny and it's very humorous and it's
01:13:06
very tongue-in-cheek and it's very
01:13:07
lee-hat but yeah but the bottom line is
01:13:09
it's um it's the best chip yeah totally
01:13:12
and I think I've you know thanks to
01:13:14
Griffin's kind of
01:13:19
I like to take as much credit as I can
01:13:21
but if they taste it like [ __ ] it
01:13:23
wouldn't matter it no matter how good
01:13:24
the branding was people buy it once and
01:13:26
they say yeah they buy it out of loyalty
01:13:28
or whatever I like the fact that
01:13:30
hopefully most people don't buy those
01:13:31
chips now don't even know who the hell I
01:13:33
am they just like the chips heard from
01:13:35
someone else that they taste good and
01:13:36
they continue to taste good and if they
01:13:38
happen to know me or read the packet and
01:13:41
enjoy a laugh that's a bonus again it's
01:13:44
the I do all the copy and stuff on the
01:13:45
on the packets and for me that is a way
01:13:48
but like when I talk about the beer of
01:13:50
keeping myself out there in a way
01:13:54
without having to do a radio show every
01:13:56
day without having to
01:13:58
um do a TV show every you know second
01:14:00
week to so I'm still here kind of thing
01:14:02
it's kind of a bit of a release
01:14:04
um I'm just I'm surely not like writing
01:14:06
a book or you know a column but you know
01:14:08
I quite enjoy doing the the copy and
01:14:10
stuff and that kind of thing you know
01:14:11
yeah that's awesome is that would that
01:14:13
be is that lucrative will that be like a
01:14:15
retirement thing yeah the chips uh
01:14:18
yeah amazing yeah
01:14:19
[Music]
01:14:21
none of this is none of this is luck
01:14:23
like this all steams back to the uh I
01:14:25
suppose the entrepreneurial Spirit you
01:14:27
had in your 20s when you started your
01:14:28
newspaper yes it's a case of
01:14:31
um
01:14:32
you know how you know some people young
01:14:34
people or some Lord say what advice
01:14:36
would you give Joe a young person trying
01:14:37
to do this is and it's so cliche it's
01:14:41
that thing of give it a crack so it's
01:14:43
not luck it's give it a crack it doesn't
01:14:45
work who cares yeah what do you got to
01:14:46
lose the band is like that I was
01:14:48
convincing the other two that [ __ ] you
01:14:51
know we we got to do this because we
01:14:53
thought we're going to take over the
01:14:54
world as a band oh my God I look back
01:14:56
there now the arrogance the ego of it
01:14:58
but the point was if there was point one
01:15:01
percent that we could would have to give
01:15:03
it a crack because I I wanted to give it
01:15:06
a crack knowing pretty well that we
01:15:08
wouldn't make it big but if we if we
01:15:11
didn't give it a go at all I knew I'd be
01:15:14
this guy in my mid-30s
01:15:16
sitting there guys to pay Katana man I
01:15:18
could have done that I should have done
01:15:19
that I could have you know I didn't want
01:15:20
to be that I'd rather take that out of
01:15:22
the equation yeah don't die wondering
01:15:24
don't die wondering and again these
01:15:26
cliches for a reason and and or I used
01:15:28
to say you know you cross that bridge
01:15:30
when you get to it blow that bridge up
01:15:31
when you get to it who cares if it
01:15:33
doesn't work but just give it a crack
01:15:36
um and as you get older as saying how am
01:15:39
I
01:15:39
very early 50s you uh you almost need to
01:15:43
that's the bit of these sort of podcasts
01:15:45
is that you you hear yourself saying
01:15:47
again you've got to remind yourself to
01:15:49
keep doing that a little bit too because
01:15:50
you can get complacent and
01:15:52
um and you're a little bit choosy now
01:15:54
you don't do every stupid thing that
01:15:55
comes your way but you still got to
01:15:57
remind yourself like you know you're not
01:15:58
dead correct yeah absolutely well I am
01:16:01
yeah I turned 50 a couple of weeks ago
01:16:03
and um the way I say it it's like if you
01:16:06
think of you think of your life as a
01:16:08
sports game and every year is a minute
01:16:09
it's like I'm just into the second half
01:16:11
you're just into the second half oh yeah
01:16:12
like you guys so like if I've got a lot
01:16:15
of friends that are about the same age
01:16:16
as us and they're like oh I sort of
01:16:17
winding down their careers or the second
01:16:19
half's the biggest half right yeah
01:16:21
absolutely absolutely unless you get
01:16:23
subbed off
01:16:24
bring them up get them out of there yeah
01:16:26
but these friends of mine are deciding
01:16:28
to sub themselves hey you have time out
01:16:31
I'm out of here yeah um you mentioned
01:16:33
your ego a few times in this interview
01:16:34
how's your how's your ego on the flip
01:16:36
side of that like the uh like you you
01:16:38
were in a Critic yourself are you quite
01:16:40
are you quite kind to yourself are you
01:16:41
quite nice to yourself I'm pretty
01:16:44
self-critical of the work kind of
01:16:47
[Music]
01:16:50
kind of unless I'm
01:16:52
I used to have to sit there for every
01:16:54
edit and all this sort of stuff but now
01:16:55
a brand to I've worked for years I trust
01:16:57
them so much that he can pretty much
01:16:58
sort of do himself then we just make
01:17:00
sort of changes here and there and you
01:17:02
know
01:17:03
um but no um
01:17:05
I don't really I don't think I have an
01:17:07
ego of I think
01:17:11
um next I think like the word ego when
01:17:13
people think of ego if someone's got an
01:17:15
ego you think that I've got to stick up
01:17:17
their ass yeah but there's like the ego
01:17:19
on the other side where it's like you
01:17:20
know how you how you treat yourself as
01:17:21
oh yeah
01:17:23
um you're quite nice to yourself are you
01:17:24
I feel like to know that story you told
01:17:26
before about the old motoring guy in the
01:17:27
UK it feels like you're still sort of
01:17:29
beating yourself up about it oh yeah
01:17:30
totally look I
01:17:32
um
01:17:33
I'm not sort of beating myself up about
01:17:34
it but I would just regret yeah look
01:17:38
[Music]
01:17:44
[Laughter]
01:17:51
like you do get self
01:17:54
um I broke out a marriage breakup
01:17:56
um
01:17:57
I don't know 18 months ago but it's it's
01:17:59
uh um so that that is a time where you
01:18:03
do a lot of self-reflection I suppose
01:18:05
you know and you realize maybe wear up
01:18:07
with your own ass a little bit with work
01:18:09
and focusing on too much on this and not
01:18:12
that I'm busy I was I'm not like I
01:18:13
certainly wasn't a workaholic but you
01:18:16
may be thinking too much about
01:18:18
um what you're doing your show or that
01:18:20
sort of stuff you know not saying that
01:18:22
might have contributed to it obviously a
01:18:24
lot of things would have contributed to
01:18:25
it but how long how long were you
01:18:26
married
01:18:27
um 17 years sure that's and then two
01:18:30
kids yep how old are the kids
01:18:32
um now the 17 and 15. right am I great
01:18:35
no fantastic so I think I mean they to
01:18:36
be honest they would prefer that we're
01:18:38
not together not that we were like
01:18:40
fighting or anything but they quite like
01:18:42
it like this Peter is individuals
01:18:47
[Music]
01:18:50
probably closer to both my kids now
01:18:53
because of it at the time they've really
01:18:56
I wouldn't say sided with me but the
01:18:57
circumstance of what happened was you
01:18:59
know they
01:19:00
you know that felt sorry for is not a
01:19:03
good way of putting it but anyway
01:19:05
[Laughter]
01:19:06
we made them side with me yeah yeah yeah
01:19:08
yeah yeah
01:19:09
I took him aside and I said this is what
01:19:12
happened you know and they've only got
01:19:14
one Vision yeah so no no and and as a
01:19:18
result I think probably close to their
01:19:19
mother as well yeah and we're and and
01:19:21
we're in touch as well so it was not you
01:19:24
know it's no animosity there no but it's
01:19:26
a hard yeah I've been through that as
01:19:28
well so it's a hard thing to go through
01:19:30
it's Lane like your marriage is to give
01:19:33
the 17 years it's a very successful
01:19:34
relationship but I suppose you feel like
01:19:36
a failure because you stand in front of
01:19:38
your family and friends on a priest or
01:19:39
whoever yeah and say you're going to be
01:19:41
together until you die and so anything
01:19:42
less than that feels like a fail and you
01:19:44
feel like you failed your kids yeah
01:19:47
a lot of people are broken up of course
01:19:49
but and then you're in this apartment
01:19:51
instead of the house that you were
01:19:53
together and it's reflect on All Your
01:19:55
Life Choices yeah every day you get a
01:19:57
chance to sort of think about it but but
01:19:59
then you've got to ask yourself
01:20:02
um
01:20:03
would you change anything about it in
01:20:05
other words would you get back in it no
01:20:06
I wouldn't so there's no point worrying
01:20:08
about that
01:20:10
um would you've done stuff differently
01:20:11
over those years yeah maybe but I can't
01:20:14
specifically think
01:20:17
um what they would be but they certainly
01:20:19
would have the fact that I didn't see it
01:20:21
coming you got the idea that
01:20:24
um it was her call at the time
01:20:26
right so we used the completely
01:20:27
blindsided at the time I was but the
01:20:29
fact that I was completely blindsided
01:20:31
suggests that I must have had my head up
01:20:33
my own ass a little bit to not see it
01:20:35
you know what I mean because you'd have
01:20:37
to be pretty weird not just not to be
01:20:38
you know I think that's fairly fairly
01:20:40
common I've been doing a bit of um I've
01:20:42
got Rachel Hunter coming on the podcast
01:20:43
next week so I've been doing a bit of
01:20:44
research for her and
01:20:46
um her marriage with Rod Stewart which
01:20:48
was about half the length of your
01:20:49
marriage it was like eight years
01:20:51
um he was sitting down like flipping
01:20:52
through some um like architecture
01:20:54
magazines because they were renovating a
01:20:56
house and he was asking her opinion
01:20:57
about a kitchen bench or whatever and
01:20:58
she sort of mumbled under her breath I
01:21:00
don't think I'm going to be here for it
01:21:01
and that was how he sort of found out
01:21:03
and he was completely blindsided yeah um
01:21:06
I feel like I mean it's hard people you
01:21:08
grow and you change like you talked
01:21:10
about regretting killing the snail on TV
01:21:13
it's like you're not the same person now
01:21:15
as when you got together oh oh yeah
01:21:16
totally and you know and people evolve
01:21:18
and um you then you look back and you
01:21:20
think where we were we were there were
01:21:23
we the right people to be together in
01:21:24
the first place kind of thing you start
01:21:26
overthinking everything and then you say
01:21:28
well at what point did I you know or and
01:21:30
or if we didn't break up then would we
01:21:32
have two or three years down the track
01:21:33
or would have just met you know you just
01:21:35
don't really know
01:21:36
um I think the important thing now is
01:21:38
um
01:21:39
you know what happens from here on in
01:21:40
and as I say we're pretty good I mean I
01:21:43
saw yesterday actually
01:21:44
um and you know um and she's doing she's
01:21:47
doing well she's got some exciting stuff
01:21:49
happening
01:21:50
um with her which which is cool which
01:21:52
I'm happy about not upset about you know
01:21:55
as opposed to oh really oh that sounds
01:21:58
good you know it's good for you at least
01:22:00
one of us has thrived
01:22:04
um so how was your how was your how was
01:22:06
your mental health after that
01:22:08
um yeah okay
01:22:09
um
01:22:11
yes we won because I like you know
01:22:12
there's so much mental health
01:22:14
um discussion at the moment which is
01:22:15
great
01:22:16
um but I've never sort of put myself in
01:22:18
a position like hey do I have a
01:22:21
yeah I think anyone that goes to a
01:22:22
marriage breakup would be
01:22:24
um kidding themselves if they uh [ __ ]
01:22:27
knocks you around didn't have some sort
01:22:29
of you know
01:22:31
um
01:22:32
if I could do it again if I could if I
01:22:36
could do the breakup again
01:22:49
you know like you know I've since
01:22:51
listened to podcasts on what you got to
01:22:54
do and this sort of stuff and I wish I'd
01:22:56
sort of had more I wish I'd bother to
01:22:58
maybe seek that stuff out as opposed to
01:23:02
just playing it by ear you know
01:23:04
depending what do you mean what do you
01:23:05
mean well you know I end up listening to
01:23:07
some podcasts you know oh you know
01:23:08
you're going through a breakup you know
01:23:09
and you've got kids you know how and
01:23:11
some of them are pretty good sort of
01:23:13
things you listen to in the car and it
01:23:15
you know gives you sort of not so much
01:23:16
tools but sort of talks about ways to
01:23:19
handle sort of stuff you know and I
01:23:21
didn't really take I didn't use any of
01:23:22
that I just kind of winged it you know
01:23:24
and by doing that it just depends on
01:23:27
what mood you're in each day is how you
01:23:28
react to what's going around you know
01:23:30
they they say for example you know the
01:23:32
whole don't contact for as long as poss
01:23:35
kind of thing you know I was in the
01:23:37
thing we're making excuses to bring up
01:23:38
you know you know or Texas hey have we
01:23:41
still got that thing in the game
01:23:44
not to get back with her and like that
01:23:46
there was nothing to do that it was just
01:23:48
purely just for that little brief
01:23:49
connection which is bad it's just random
01:23:51
not having like it's like
01:23:54
what's strange when you spend so much of
01:23:56
your life with someone and then yeah and
01:23:58
they're not there yeah and and for what
01:24:00
we get a time your kids aren't even
01:24:01
there and you go
01:24:03
[ __ ] you know and then everything that
01:24:05
was
01:24:06
familiar and then you start thinking
01:24:08
deep stuff like both their parents are
01:24:11
still alive you know thank God but
01:24:13
they're not spring chickens you know
01:24:15
yeah so we've got some other stuff to
01:24:17
deal with
01:24:18
in the future but it's going to be
01:24:21
different now you'll be dealing with it
01:24:22
more on your own you know what I mean
01:24:24
yeah um it's not like you're not going
01:24:27
to go and support them in their time but
01:24:29
it's not the same every every uh you
01:24:31
know dog got died last year now the
01:24:34
little beagle and um even that it's had
01:24:38
a sort of better taste about it you know
01:24:40
bad enough that he died of course it did
01:24:41
but and it was sudden but we
01:24:45
um it's only me and my daughter that
01:24:47
were there when it happened it was up in
01:24:48
the driveway
01:24:49
um Andrew's way somewhere and somebody
01:24:51
said we just it just didn't it felt like
01:24:53
it should have been a family
01:24:55
but but it wasn't but we could this is
01:24:59
all in your head a little bit because if
01:25:01
we were still together it's very chance
01:25:02
that some of us could have been a
01:25:04
different parts of the country at the
01:25:05
time because we you know that was right
01:25:06
there going on so but certain things
01:25:08
just feel
01:25:10
a little bit more
01:25:12
cynical or I don't know I don't know um
01:25:14
but that's only some days but mental
01:25:17
health wise and I think um humor helps
01:25:20
definitely
01:25:21
there's that saying if you don't laugh
01:25:23
you cry totally and and I did cry you
01:25:26
know and my kids even saw me cry which
01:25:28
uh you know is that the first time that
01:25:31
I cried no the first time you kids saw
01:25:33
you yeah I think so yeah other than you
01:25:36
know I'm I'm the sort of guy
01:25:39
you know in a sad movie you know a a
01:25:42
Marley and Me who's not right I can see
01:25:44
so if you look at me that's what my
01:25:45
daughter go you can't go no no not me
01:25:48
not me no I'm not crying so I'm I am
01:25:51
quite emotional in that sort of sense
01:25:53
you know I can uh I can cry at other
01:25:57
people's funeral someone's feeling all
01:25:58
that and then I could walk into a
01:25:59
funeral off the street and not know the
01:26:01
people and stand at the back and look
01:26:03
around and I can get emotional from
01:26:05
their emotion if you know what I mean is
01:26:06
that some of this that equipped on
01:26:07
you've noticed as you get older yeah I I
01:26:09
to the point where I go [ __ ] how am I
01:26:11
going to handle any of these big public
01:26:13
funerals that are coming my way and you
01:26:15
know I love a bit of you know down the
01:26:17
track but you know it's yeah I've always
01:26:20
I think I've always been that way but
01:26:23
but I'm not afraid of it either I don't
01:26:26
think you do feel better after
01:26:29
um well it's quite it's quite cathartic
01:26:31
but yeah I mean um but we were raised in
01:26:33
an age where you just didn't you just
01:26:35
didn't cry he didn't show any sort of
01:26:36
weakness but I haven't said that it
01:26:39
doesn't mean the way I wrap stuff is I I
01:26:43
won't just sit there and I will
01:26:45
certainly I'm quite proactive though so
01:26:48
I I might have a quiet but then I go
01:26:49
that's good all right bang is what we're
01:26:52
doing you know I remember saying that to
01:26:54
the kids actually I said hey okay let's
01:26:55
draw a line on that you're not going to
01:26:57
see that again tomorrow's gonna be a
01:26:58
great day sun's coming up and we're
01:27:00
doing this this this this you know
01:27:02
you've got to force yourself into that
01:27:04
mindset yeah so you're quite gonna like
01:27:06
compartmentalizing things yeah um well I
01:27:08
don't think I'll come up because I think
01:27:09
my everything my everything's just for
01:27:11
me it's a big
01:27:12
it's a big river
01:27:14
a lot of stuff going on but quite good
01:27:16
at like
01:27:18
um I suppose look yeah so when we broke
01:27:21
up
01:27:22
what do you do now you just wait around
01:27:24
and sit around and I had to get on with
01:27:28
it so I straight away started dealing
01:27:32
with the separation agreement side of it
01:27:33
you know don't know why but I just had
01:27:35
to do something I couldn't you know so I
01:27:36
went and did all that and pushed it
01:27:39
through about two weeks and the the the
01:27:41
the woman that I was dealing with said
01:27:43
she hadn't seen anything like it you
01:27:45
know and I don't know I did that and
01:27:47
then and it was and it wasn't to make a
01:27:50
point to it it was a very it's it's very
01:27:52
it's we both agree or not it's very nice
01:27:55
to each other but I just had to do
01:27:57
something I just couldn't sit there
01:27:59
waiting for again without a TV thing
01:28:01
waiting for someone to tell me when it's
01:28:04
time to make a TV show or waiting for
01:28:05
permission I needed to
01:28:07
fill my time and because that's right I
01:28:09
couldn't work
01:28:11
I couldn't work not knowing
01:28:14
my situation anymore you know like uh
01:28:17
you know what's it if I'm going to go
01:28:19
make it certainly didn't feel like
01:28:21
making a comedy TV show
01:28:23
but having said that there's been any
01:28:24
ideas for taking over that you you get
01:28:27
now
01:28:28
that I wouldn't have thought of had I
01:28:30
not gone through that experience you
01:28:31
know more darker sort of Comedy or you
01:28:33
sort of seeing a marriage break up sort
01:28:34
of stuff or
01:28:35
um yeah because you touched upon this on
01:28:37
your American Heartland show yes that
01:28:39
again was a little bit cheeky
01:28:41
um at
01:28:42
and just expensive but it wasn't meant
01:28:45
to be Jake's on me yeah do you want to
01:28:47
like recap that for anyone that may have
01:28:48
missed that I
01:28:54
mean on the TV about oh Terry's wife is
01:28:57
left for a Furniture upholster and
01:28:59
taking any kind of thing you know so
01:29:02
um so I thought you know doing a travel
01:29:03
show through the states it might as well
01:29:05
be a bit of backstory to it fake or real
01:29:08
and you've got to bring a little bit of
01:29:10
real stuff to it so I've just gone
01:29:11
through marriage breakup so why the hell
01:29:13
is he jumping through the states all
01:29:14
right he's going through a midlife
01:29:15
crisis which which I'm not but you know
01:29:17
that's a good you've got a middle-aged
01:29:19
guy making a travel show you might as
01:29:20
well just a midlife crisis on him gives
01:29:22
a bit more of an edge so I sit there
01:29:24
talking to the camera going on yeah well
01:29:26
you know it's been tough you know my
01:29:28
wife's left me for a a carp and underlay
01:29:31
salesman or something you know I don't
01:29:32
even covered underlay broken or
01:29:34
something that was made up and isn't
01:29:36
seeing a carpet
01:29:39
I'm not a surprise I know if you heard
01:29:41
something
01:29:42
maybe no but that was cathartic in the
01:29:46
sense having a bit of a laugh at it you
01:29:48
know and she knows me well enough you
01:29:50
know she's certain of course it's an eye
01:29:52
rolling thing for him oh here he goes
01:29:53
you know and she would have had a life
01:29:55
but to the point I think we should
01:29:57
actually contacted me once because we're
01:29:59
making the episodes bit my bit and I
01:30:01
think she actually she rang me up and
01:30:03
said
01:30:04
um how many more episodes are there and
01:30:06
and and how many more times am I gonna
01:30:10
appear in there you know just my parents
01:30:12
want to know is that what I read okay
01:30:14
look don't worry about it tweet it to
01:30:16
now there's no more
01:30:17
um was it was it a little um a little
01:30:19
peace egg
01:30:20
was that little truth there yeah right
01:30:22
right oh there's a little treat I mean
01:30:24
yeah yeah I mean passive aggressive
01:30:27
not really no I was more it's more about
01:30:29
the gag yeah right put it away if
01:30:32
we hadn't
01:30:34
broken up and we're still together
01:30:37
there's a
01:30:38
90 chance that a similar line would have
01:30:42
been yeah right whether it might not
01:30:44
been so important yeah it's a little
01:30:46
passive aggressive I think I knew
01:30:47
there'd be a few people gonna laugh out
01:30:48
of it so maybe I was being a bit cheeky
01:30:50
but I certainly knew that people the
01:30:52
important people involved in my kids for
01:30:54
example who were watching I couldn't
01:30:55
wait for them to watch the show I
01:30:57
certainly wouldn't have done even one of
01:30:59
them saw it before we went away and they
01:31:00
were laughing going oh that's so funny
01:31:01
that's good yeah I see you shorts right
01:31:03
yeah I'll be right you know yeah I
01:31:05
suppose for them it means you're in a
01:31:07
good place like you because you're at
01:31:08
the point where you can make jokes about
01:31:09
it yeah and look and if I always wanted
01:31:11
to be serious and and be aggressive or
01:31:15
be snarky it could be you know
01:31:18
um again jokes on me who what kind of
01:31:21
idiot what kind of idiot TV professional
01:31:24
TV presenter would be supposed to be
01:31:26
talking about the where he is we'll be
01:31:28
talking about his his wife leaving
01:31:31
leaving him for a Furniture upholstery
01:31:33
or whatever it is pretty funny yeah I
01:31:35
mean that that again I just find that
01:31:37
amusing that this guy how unprofessional
01:31:39
this guy can't you focus on me well you
01:31:42
mentioned the term midlife crisis before
01:31:44
and I I feel like it gets um it gets it
01:31:47
gets a bad rep when people think of a
01:31:48
midlife crisis they think of like Harley
01:31:49
Davidsons or jet skis but um you know to
01:31:52
you could frame a midlife crisis here
01:31:59
okay
01:32:01
okay um
01:32:02
frame it as um like a chance to to go
01:32:05
okay I've still got a lot of years left
01:32:07
to live what can I do better what have I
01:32:09
done wrong you know how can I how can I
01:32:11
correct the course of my life and become
01:32:13
the person I want to be big time and
01:32:15
great hearing the other bit yourself
01:32:16
saying that because you often tell
01:32:18
yourself that you go you know what this
01:32:20
is this is an opportunity you know
01:32:22
there's an opportunity to have a second
01:32:23
life instead of you know
01:32:26
as good as it was you can you can pretty
01:32:28
much imagine where your life was gonna
01:32:31
it was that aspect of it was fairly
01:32:33
predictable and rightly wrongly now you
01:32:36
have no idea you have no idea in 10
01:32:38
years time
01:32:39
who you might be with the way you might
01:32:41
even be living
01:32:43
um and that's kind of exciting it's kind
01:32:45
of almost like being
01:32:47
what are you going to do when you leave
01:32:48
school kind of thing you don't know
01:32:50
um and you've got the freedom now
01:32:53
um which you you just go off and live
01:32:56
and live in Spain for a month if you
01:32:58
wanted to you know
01:32:59
um
01:33:00
do you know anyone over there
01:33:04
I got some friends just flag my kids no
01:33:08
then you go then he realized damn I've
01:33:10
got kids
01:33:11
and then you'll be like well [ __ ] you
01:33:13
guys you're in your late teens my
01:33:14
parents abandoned me for a year when I
01:33:15
was 11. oh there you go and look I'm
01:33:17
quite frankly you know I hardly see them
01:33:18
anyway yeah you know so that's that's
01:33:21
what's interesting thing so we've done
01:33:22
this you know everyone does it
01:33:23
differently and we've chosen to a week
01:33:26
on week off kind of thing because
01:33:27
logistically I couldn't do anything less
01:33:29
complicated more complicated and it kind
01:33:31
of works pretty well but what I
01:33:33
realizing now of their ages I hardly see
01:33:34
them anyway they do their own stuff in
01:33:36
the weekend so independent they have
01:33:38
sleepovers and I'm sort of associating
01:33:39
the fact I don't see him as much as I
01:33:41
did with the breakup but nothing to do
01:33:43
with it
01:33:44
they are doing the right thing now and
01:33:46
you almost got to stay out of it you
01:33:48
know so you join them are you um are you
01:33:50
seeing anyone now are you quite happy on
01:33:52
your own at the at the stage
01:33:54
um I have been
01:33:56
um
01:33:57
that's why I'm in a confusing stage
01:34:00
yeah but I have I've certainly been
01:34:02
being seen someone who's very cool
01:34:05
um
01:34:05
but I still think I've got stuff yes
01:34:09
yeah you know
01:34:10
um which
01:34:12
probably makes me not the ideal person
01:34:15
right now but you know who knows but
01:34:18
yeah I've been lucky in that sense that
01:34:19
you know yeah sure it's good that you've
01:34:22
got the um the EQ I guess to
01:34:25
um is that a thing the emotional
01:34:27
intelligence
01:34:30
to to recognize that because I think it
01:34:32
looked like the easy thing for I think
01:34:34
especially for guys to do is just jump
01:34:35
from one end to another and you know and
01:34:38
not not actually process what's happened
01:34:40
and what they've gone through but then I
01:34:41
suppose yeah then you I suppose you've
01:34:42
got to be careful
01:34:44
um
01:34:45
of maybe not overthinking it too much
01:34:47
yeah and thinking oh [ __ ] you know I'm
01:34:50
not ready for that I'm in the team you
01:34:52
know 10 years on the track and you know
01:34:53
that that person was great or perfect
01:34:56
and you you you're in the sort of fuzz
01:34:58
of hey I'm still a victim you know I'm
01:35:00
just going through the stuff and they
01:35:02
say yeah whatever man you know
01:35:03
eventually people stop you know
01:35:05
listening hey it's not big news anymore
01:35:07
man we know you broke up you know we've
01:35:10
moved on but there's more Goss you know
01:35:13
so you've got to pull yourself apart and
01:35:16
go okay all right at what point is this
01:35:18
still you you know using that as a
01:35:22
crutch and what point are you you know
01:35:23
you got to get real again at some point
01:35:25
I suppose you know you you haven't seen
01:35:27
a therapist or anything you've quite
01:35:28
good at just processing stuff
01:35:30
um a friend a friend of mine put me on
01:35:32
to someone and I think it was because of
01:35:34
covert ended up being on like an online
01:35:36
kind of thing like a zoom call to hate
01:35:38
you know I almost need to see a
01:35:40
therapist for zooms I hate them you know
01:35:42
so seeing a therapist on Zoom was
01:35:44
actually was quite
01:35:45
yeah so and look I can't
01:35:50
I can't say how helpful it was but I
01:35:52
remember
01:35:54
telling him I'm not feeling really good
01:35:56
today really good today yeah sure yeah
01:35:58
I'm real good you've sold me it's good
01:36:00
you know I just think I wanted to get
01:36:02
off yeah right as I said a few a few
01:36:05
podcasts that can be quite sort of
01:36:08
specifically tailored
01:36:09
um to your sort of situation were quite
01:36:12
helpful so we've got the space up among
01:36:13
Ryan I found myself driving up there and
01:36:16
I'm sick of Music whatever actually I
01:36:17
couldn't listen to music for quite a
01:36:19
long time after after all this for some
01:36:21
reason so I just used to drive around
01:36:23
with the car with no music on but you
01:36:26
know no really why couldn't you listen
01:36:27
to No you think even sad songs would
01:36:30
resonate with you or yeah but after a
01:36:32
while I could and then I enjoyed it
01:36:33
again more than I did even before
01:36:35
because they got a sort of a reboot but
01:36:37
for a brief period Then I literally just
01:36:40
couldn't listen to music especially
01:36:41
Adele I'd imagine yeah Adele um
01:36:44
certainly not my own stuff I'm stuck oh
01:36:47
no one can listen to that I know
01:36:49
um and that was that was very hard to
01:36:51
listen no but uh but these podcasts are
01:36:54
quite good because my particular guy I
01:36:57
can't remember what his name was
01:36:59
um American guy you know and he is going
01:37:02
through a breakup and yet before you
01:37:04
know you listen to this guy and there's
01:37:06
different sort of modules to it I
01:37:07
thought that was pretty helpful
01:37:09
um I'm trying to think if there's
01:37:10
anything I did
01:37:12
specifically that he suggested but I was
01:37:14
just hearing someone
01:37:15
talk about
01:37:17
you you don't feel so unique oh no [ __ ]
01:37:20
this is normal you know and everyone you
01:37:21
know that's been through a breakup say
01:37:23
oh it takes time and look trust me in a
01:37:25
year and a half you'll be fine you know
01:37:27
that sort of stuff it gets easier it
01:37:28
gets easier and it does and again back
01:37:30
to mental health thing everyone has
01:37:32
stuff to deal with you know but it does
01:37:35
it will get easier oh yeah that's too
01:37:37
short let's try to write it out you know
01:37:39
one foot in front of the other and only
01:37:41
you can do it unfortunately yeah that's
01:37:43
that's the thing you know you no one
01:37:46
else can you've got to walk that walk
01:37:48
somehow and um
01:37:51
and that's always stood well you've been
01:37:53
I mean it rocks in it it's such a common
01:37:55
thing like a relationship breakdown and
01:37:57
it does rock you at the time and I feel
01:37:59
like the stuff that you went through
01:38:00
earlier in life
01:38:01
um probably set you in a good position
01:38:02
for it in terms of resilience yeah I
01:38:04
think so yeah I think I think it
01:38:05
probably has
01:38:06
um
01:38:07
uh and
01:38:09
if it hasn't well you know
01:38:12
regardless it's another experience
01:38:15
to put down with all your other
01:38:16
experiences you know it's in this one
01:38:18
not necessarily was a great experience
01:38:21
but it's an experience nonetheless so
01:38:23
you know on the the tapestry of your
01:38:25
life it's something that's an
01:38:26
interesting spot you know yeah that's a
01:38:28
like a tapestry like a mosaic it's just
01:38:30
part of the you know it's not always
01:38:32
good parts it doesn't always have to be
01:38:34
you need all that stuff and I do
01:38:36
remember though I do as you remember
01:38:38
thinking this
01:38:39
and the real peak of it that a real
01:38:41
emotional side the raw stage that week
01:38:44
after kind of stuff you know where you
01:38:45
can't sleep on that sort of stuff
01:38:47
in a strange kind of way you never felt
01:38:51
more alive
01:38:53
doesn't mean
01:38:55
you were happy but you
01:38:57
you feeling the pain
01:39:01
you felt alive and you weren't numb it's
01:39:03
like getting burned you could feel it
01:39:05
you meant [ __ ] I'm alive here you know
01:39:07
and not everything has to be a real
01:39:09
positive amazing euphoric experience to
01:39:12
feel alive it can be
01:39:15
um something as ghastly as that can
01:39:17
actually make you feel
01:39:19
not invigorated but I'm in touch with
01:39:22
emotions I suppose could you feel that
01:39:23
at the time or just on reflection at
01:39:26
out there but not I
01:39:33
did a gray guy life nothing really good
01:39:36
happening nothing really bad happening
01:39:38
just another day Monday Tuesday
01:39:39
Wednesday Thursday you know oh Years
01:39:42
Gone by New Year big party you know
01:39:44
the mundanus of life that everybody goes
01:39:47
through at some stage you know
01:39:48
um but like one day Cricket those middle
01:39:50
overs the 30 overs kind of like you know
01:39:52
come on you know a bit like that and
01:39:54
suddenly I felt [ __ ]
01:39:57
you know you're you're on fire here
01:39:59
you're someone's slapped me woking you
01:40:01
up you know you actually feel alive
01:40:04
um and then you have these hopefully
01:40:06
transfer that into more positive energy
01:40:09
I suppose it's got to start somewhere
01:40:11
yeah well thanks for being so open and
01:40:13
honest to chat about this stuff
01:40:15
how are you did you and your wife um
01:40:17
ex-wife sit down and tell the kids at
01:40:18
the same time how to kind of yeah or did
01:40:21
they like you didn't know I was coming
01:40:22
to the kids sort of Heaven in cling war
01:40:24
no I don't think so they're probably
01:40:27
time so they thought oh you guys going
01:40:28
to bring it up kind of thing you know
01:40:29
and of course we would assured no no no
01:40:31
no that's not us you know and my thing I
01:40:33
believe that too
01:40:34
um
01:40:37
sorry kids I was telling the truth I
01:40:41
think about it now she didn't say
01:40:42
anything
01:40:44
it was just me that say no no but um no
01:40:47
they they didn't I don't think they did
01:40:49
we I suppose yeah we sort of set them
01:40:51
down but and they took it remarkably
01:40:53
well
01:40:54
um and still have because it's ongoing
01:40:56
and it's not easy going from house to
01:40:57
house and you've got to put it but in
01:40:59
the end of day look we're all still here
01:41:00
and I've got a house through you know
01:41:02
we're live there's a lot of people a lot
01:41:03
worse off
01:41:04
um you know in so many ways yeah that's
01:41:08
a thing
01:41:09
um yeah there's a saying I really like
01:41:10
it that um comparison is the theft of
01:41:12
Joy but I think I'm sometimes comparing
01:41:14
Down's not a bad thing like you when
01:41:16
you're in the French jail yeah yeah oh
01:41:18
yeah those people there I mean they live
01:41:20
in their
01:41:24
um and I think it is okay to go
01:41:28
um oh [ __ ] you know you've got all these
01:41:30
people you know down cyclone in the
01:41:32
Hawks Bay and stuff and yeah it's
01:41:33
terrible you see them their whole life
01:41:35
is turned upside down so that's bad
01:41:37
enough like so I can look at that and go
01:41:39
[ __ ] you know or someone's even died and
01:41:41
go God what am I going through I'm doing
01:41:43
a podcast for Dom yeah I'm talking about
01:41:45
my life I mean it's not uh some might
01:41:47
say you've got it worse than some of the
01:41:49
people in Hawke's Bay well there you go
01:41:50
but then the people at Hawke's Bay
01:41:52
they'll say yeah but look well it is
01:41:55
what it is when there's people down the
01:41:56
road that are you know and there's
01:41:58
someone at Starship at the moment
01:41:59
whether with a kid who's you know on a
01:42:02
machined they're not know if it's going
01:42:04
to be alive in the morning so
01:42:06
there's nothing wrong
01:42:08
with saying you know what there's always
01:42:11
someone worse off yeah and even if just
01:42:13
saying it
01:42:15
um saying it can sink in I think yeah
01:42:18
yeah it does make it you know it's not
01:42:20
perfect but it does help absolutely hey
01:42:23
well thanks for being oh what what's
01:42:24
next for you uh it has um 2023 looking
01:42:26
you can do another another series of
01:42:28
Heartland you were saying more Moon TV
01:42:30
we're looking at trying to do another
01:42:31
sort of Heartland show but maybe in
01:42:32
Europe that's right talk about going to
01:42:35
Spain kind of thing but whether I
01:42:36
managed to pull it off
01:42:38
um because we get into a seasonal type
01:42:40
of thing now you want to be over there
01:42:41
kind of June July May whatever you do
01:42:43
want to go to Spain for a month well
01:42:44
yeah and instead of rushing like it in
01:42:46
the states and we filmed that in about
01:42:47
three weeks I'd rather get there and
01:42:49
maybe suss it out a bit more or whatever
01:42:51
sounds a little bit like rock star-ish I
01:42:53
don't know how I'm going to pull this
01:42:54
off but or I may just I'll certainly be
01:42:57
doing another TV show New Zealand or
01:42:58
something at some point but there's
01:42:59
plenty going on with as I say with the
01:43:01
chips and stuff like that to sort of
01:43:03
keep me busy but I'm trying to give my
01:43:05
voice a bit of a break at the moment
01:43:06
well I'm sorry sorry for doing a guitar
01:43:08
podcast but not so much that but I used
01:43:11
to a lot of public speaking and MCS and
01:43:13
stuff so I don't really do any of that
01:43:14
anymore so I would sort of you know give
01:43:18
all that sort of stuff a break which I
01:43:19
have really for quite a while anyway and
01:43:21
save it up for you know when I have to
01:43:23
do ads or TV shows because you know
01:43:25
otherwise they'll get rid of me as well
01:43:27
so right what do you mean give you oh
01:43:29
give you you don't have like Voice
01:43:30
issues it's just uh my voice never used
01:43:32
to be this croaky and sort of tight kind
01:43:35
of thing used to be quite a smooth kind
01:43:37
of voice I think it's called muscle
01:43:39
tension dysphonia so it's it's almost
01:43:41
like I'm shouting to get this voice out
01:43:43
but it doesn't hurt I don't feel like I
01:43:45
am I mean I could go back and really
01:43:47
interview that then with you perhaps
01:43:50
when you were pimping Moon TV DVDs way
01:43:53
back then and
01:43:55
a guarantee if we got the order of my
01:43:57
voice would be totally different I often
01:43:59
look at early stuff TV stuff I've got
01:44:01
the luxury of having
01:44:02
a record of your voice a lot of people
01:44:04
don't have that and I go [ __ ] but I feel
01:44:07
like losing your hair slowly people just
01:44:09
think it was always like that they don't
01:44:10
notice the sudden change you know yeah
01:44:13
um until my father said on the phone you
01:44:16
know a big night last night did your son
01:44:18
I said yes I did actually but it's
01:44:21
Tuesday dad and I'm saying I'm sad and
01:44:24
lonely and he used to annoy me because
01:44:25
he was right but at the same time
01:44:27
but he's always right but it never used
01:44:30
to be this bad and then with add a bit
01:44:32
of nerves like you know public speaking
01:44:33
trying to you know AMC hey you you know
01:44:35
it gets kind of worse and I found people
01:44:38
would know it was focusing more on the
01:44:40
sound of the voice than what I was just
01:44:42
saying and once he gets that point you
01:44:44
kind of lost them you know yeah so that
01:44:46
was really frustrating
01:44:48
um yeah anyway thanks for um coming over
01:44:50
today yeah thanks for much Anthony yeah
01:44:52
I mean I really really appreciate it it
01:44:54
seems like you're one of these guys
01:44:54
that's always sort of on like we only
01:44:56
ever see you as the comedian so to pass
01:44:59
out after this in the car
01:45:02
no shame in there as long as you're not
01:45:04
in traffic lights or something all right
01:45:06
Lehigh you're an absolute gem a New
01:45:08
Zealand gym and I'm so pleased to hear
01:45:09
you're going to be making more TV
01:45:10
because um yeah the stuff you do is
01:45:12
priceless oh thanks man I'm sorry I
01:45:14
couldn't really talk about my running
01:45:15
more but um you know it would have been
01:45:16
a short podcast oh no the stuff we've
01:45:19
talked about here's some way more
01:45:20
meaning than that it's really cool stuff
01:45:21
and I'm glad you're in a a good place
01:45:23
and onwards and upwards thanks man
01:45:25
appreciate it thank you
01:45:26
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