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miles Andrew migan welcome to my podcast
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Dom it's a pleasure thank you for having
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me mate oh thanks for coming on and I've
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done um so much research and this is
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only the like the second long form
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podcast about yourself that you've ever
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done I know yeah it's strange it's cool
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to be uh invited and I'm honored and
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also a little it's a little terrifying
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talking about yourself when you talk to
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other people about their lives and what
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they do and you know and interview
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people and to be interviewed it's like
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oh I might I feel like I had to do like
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research myself actually you're probably
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going to bring some stuff on go oh yeah
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I forgot about that that does that does
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haveen for me I find it's um it's a it's
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a balancing act between um preparing
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enough and and overpreparing cuz if
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you're over I don't want to ask you
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questions and I already know the answer
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and I'm like well that's the wrong
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answer mes you know what I mean yeah I
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do you still want to have that natural
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sort level of um curiosity but um this
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is going to be fun I'm really excited
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I'm excited too thank you you um in in a
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a year or a period that has been like
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crazy for New Zealand media like you're
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one of the most employed people in the
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do you feel bad about having all the
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jobs I do feel a little bit guilty yeah
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uh I'm I'm uh I don't want I don't want
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to say a Survivor um but I'm lucky
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enough to be in position to do what I do
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and there are a lot of people out there
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who I would say are a lot better and a
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lot more talented than me who haven't
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been had the the Run of success lately
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which is um it is terrible out there it
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really is my wife runs a small business
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marketing company and there's just so
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much in retail and that e-commerce space
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it's just we don't you just don't know
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the half of it sometimes it doesn't even
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make the headlines and people are just
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they're in a bad way so yeah I'm
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touchwood lucky enough to do what I do
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I'm very privileged yeah we run through
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that that list of jobs but um knowing
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you like reasonably well and having work
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with you in the past I've Got a Theory
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it's it's because you let you do good
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job when you get the opportunity you do
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do a good job um and also like like
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you're you're you're nice and you're
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polite and you're reliable and you're
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easy to work with it goes a long way
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it's not like I don't set out to be like
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that just I've been brought up very well
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by my mom and my dad so I think that's
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where it's come from so but you see as
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you know you've seen a lot of people
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come and go in the industry and you see
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how those people act and you sort of
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think to you say you need to treat
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people like that you need to talk about
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people like that um so yeah it's um yeah
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it goes a long way nice yeah 100% um so
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basketball commentary you've done a ton
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of that with the breakers yeah uh Rugby
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Commentary as well Super Rugby mainly
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yeah no I did a little bit of uh last
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couple of years I've done some NPC um
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that was short last year with the Rugby
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World Cup CU everybody was involved with
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that so they really PL they really
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plunged the depths of their Talent poll
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at Sky to do um commentry and I really
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enjoyed that and I did a little bit this
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year as well where um managed to squeeze
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it onto the old schedule so I really
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enjoyed it it was terrifying it was
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terrifying starting basketball like in
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2009 and eventually you know like
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anything it's not 10,000 hours but it's
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the same thing you do more and more of
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it regularly and you get better and
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better you're never great at it but you
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do well rugby is like there's so many
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names there's so there's like at least
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30 on the field and there are another 16
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waiting to get on yeah The Interchange
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by the time the bench comes on you've
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just gotten use to the prop the locid
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prop and what they do and where they're
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from and then suddenly they're off and
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now you're like far out what's what's
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that guy again and your notes are all
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yeah yeah something I guess most people
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wouldn't think about is the level of
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prep that goes into that to knowing the
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names like I I don't know what your
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Technique is do you write them out
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phonetically some of them and some of
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them syllable by syllable yeah you do
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you have to because then you you need it
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to flow and you practice and you you ask
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around for the the inflections and the
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right correct pronunciation and
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sometimes because of the pace of the
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call and the way you're talking and
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you're trying to get something out you
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just you stuff it up and you don't mean
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to it's just unfortunately you don't
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want to be a meme but um sometimes you
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cook it you absolutely cook it and if if
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you can acknowledge that you've cooked
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it I think that goes a long way to try
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to correct it later so yeah yeah the
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names the names will get you speak of
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memes we will get to that um other jobs
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you've got the Crowd Goes Wild which has
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been on here for like 18 years and
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you've been there since day one yeah um
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Olympic Games coverage how many how many
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games Cycles have you been to how many
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summer and winter summer I've been to
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one winter and I've been to now uh uh
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three Summer Games and uh a couple of
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Commonwealth Games as well so yeah six
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all up this year so cool breakfast radio
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as well on um the incredible Rock
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breakfast show how long you been on the
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Rock uh we worked it out all up it's
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been 10 years on the Rock on the morning
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Rumble uh and there was a Hiatus there
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where I went to radio sport from about
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couple two three years I think upon
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memory and then I came back to the rock
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as well so yeah that was a great that
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was a great learning curve turn radius
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for yeah was it yeah it was yeah you you
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you quickly became um from you went from
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one brand which was as you know when you
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at the edge one of the the stronger
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Brands morning shows ratings wise
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commercially the company is all four
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whereas you go to radio sport and it was
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like the ugly stepchild of ZB like it
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was the Barnacle on The Good Ship
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hosking you know and um they never
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really it was in its Heyday it was great
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when it had Devin and it had V it was an
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absolute um beast because it was nothing
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like it there was no one talking sport
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like that on on radio there were sport
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shows yeah I get that but there's
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nothing like develin or vichi in their
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you know manic ways saying some of the
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hottest takes that people have ever
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heard back in the late 90s early 2000s
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yeah sport was funny back then it was um
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I was reflecting on this the other day
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just with with what you've done in sport
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and in particular like Crowd Goes Wild
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like sport used to be like a real
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serious angry sort of thing oh yeah like
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you know calling for heads for roll the
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board sack the board get rid of them and
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it's like what's the CEO up to he must
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go she has to go it's like bang you
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fired I fired you it's in my comment
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section you're all gone yeah we only
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been Italy by 20 we should be angry yeah
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that was a poor performance I couldn't
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have done any better but I'm sitting
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here telling you I you should have yeah
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um yeah what oh the rebels sport voice
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how long have you been the Rebel Sport
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voice for uh 10 years 13 I think so 2011
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I yeah started that yeah yeah that's
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that's that was funny they I had been
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working at ZM very briefly with Jason
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Reeves and he and I did like a Saturday
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Morning Breakfast show parttime and
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somebody at the agency rang ZM looking
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for me and I hadn't been there for
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probably like 5 years but they must have
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remembered that I'd done this Saturday
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and then they rang ZM and Clint um
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Roberts who knows my wife rang Emma and
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said hey M just so you know someone's
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rung through and they're looking for
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your husband or your fiance um and uh
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they want to know something about
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voicing something and that's sort of
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just how it came it's very New Zealand
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how it came about such a small community
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after after Clint Roberts tried to
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suggest himself for the role
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no I'm sure he didn't do that oh now the
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latest feather in your cap um you're on
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an New Zealand safety video which I I
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think is sort of like Peak New Zealand
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it is celebrity in a way it's like I've
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skipped shortland Street I've jumped the
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que you did do a year on New Zealand's
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Got Talent though with Jas R I did I
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certainly did it was just one year as
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well not enough Talent not enough Talent
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no the it was like it wasn't rhetorical
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um the question it was definitely
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answerable um yeah the safety video came
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out um in the middle of the year and it
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was it was top secret you know cuz there
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there there's always a lot of interest
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within New Zealand just as a company
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from mainly The Herald and stuff but
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also new zealanders we have so much
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ownership they're like the All Blacks of
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the commercial World in New Zealand and
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I was asked and I was my honestly my
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first reaction was [ __ ] no it's I just
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don't want it to be lame and then they
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and then I explained the um the premise
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without saying that involved Steven
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Adams but they were like and it's
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somebody who's kind of in your field but
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an international sports star I was like
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well that makes kind of okay and then
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thankfully it's obviously he's the star
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of it and know stepen a little bit he
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would never do something that's lame and
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so if he's on board then yeah it's it's
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awesome it's great yeah what is your
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relationship with Steven Adams like what
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have you had to do with him um I've had
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professionally a little bit to do
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whenever he's back um he doesn't do any
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media he's not interested in doing any
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interviews he doesn't have to do any
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interviews he just wants to come back
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and hang out with his Foo um hang out on
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his um big property I think go hunting
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and then run these these amazing camps
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that um give kids the opportunity to um
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see Steven Adams and play basketball and
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practice basketball which is which is
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awesome so from Steven I I did uh like a
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Foot Locker thing with him when he was
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first drafted
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and I think edid Des bought him out and
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Foot Locker bought him out when he was
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after the draft but before the season
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started and it was a Q&A session and
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that's where I met him at Queen Street
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Foot Locker and it was like I was so I
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was frothing so much because I knew how
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big it was because he was not only was
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he drafted into the NBA but he was like
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a lottery pick which is a big deal which
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is where the worst teams get the best
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picks and he was high up the um on the
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board there and so he was drafted by OKC
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and then since then I've just had little
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bits and pieces to do with him and every
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time he's always been good and he he
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remembers Crow goes wild as a kid
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growing up watching it which is which
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really helps like oh yeah you're the
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follow from Kos well like Kos well and
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do press conferences and then he'd see
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the mic Flash and Go K as well here
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that's cool I was like that's gold for
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us like and for yeah obviously me as the
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presenter with with Mark Richardson and
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so every every time then he's always
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been really he's a lovely guy he's
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awesome he was such a pleasure to work
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with and everyone around him in that
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safety video and he was there for a lot
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longer than I was cuz they had to do
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multi-day shoot and it's such a big
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production but he was awesome with
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everybody how do they get him over the
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line like he doesn't need a Payday no he
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doesn't and I i' i' I'd speculate that
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he got quite a lot of conscious cuz he
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goes direct to Houston and he plays for
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the Rockets So I imagine that there
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there's a probably probably for tax
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purposes I probably shouldn't have said
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that oh yeah he's going to be gold Elite
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for Life yeah yeah maybe ring doesn't it
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yeah oh what about um oh your valer so
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Tom ssb's on the on the the infl thing
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um so is Valerie she's she's awesome I
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love her I got so much respect for her
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as an athlete and as a mother coming
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back and being an athlete and being a
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medalist and I love her because that
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Olympic stuff's um funny isn't it you
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you you're catching people when they're
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I suppose they're bewildered and they're
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just in the I've had Finn what on the
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podcast and he talked about like
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clambering over fences to try and like
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get to you after winning his his gold
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Med so you're getting people that are
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elated maybe surprised that they've won
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gold medals or people that are that are
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shocked because they like they've
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underperformed it's the lowest point of
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their life man it's like you've got this
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moment you're in this mix Zone and
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sometimes Sky pay for it because we've
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got a lot of great athletes and you pay
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a set fee to the the basically the
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Broadcasting Service arm of the
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international Olympic Committee and it
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costs a lot of money and you're at the
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prime spot and we were like say for the
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rowing in Paris we were right beside the
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BBC and we had um to Matthew pinent who
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was this legendary British rower and
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it's like so intimidating he's like
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they' been quiet and respectful as you
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interview your the the Kiwi Rod but he's
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listening to your questions and I'm not
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a r expert I've done my research but
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there's no way I'm a own expert and he's
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listening I'm like [ __ ] please and then
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so and then but then like he would look
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at me afterwards and he would go just
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nod I was like oh okay good but then i'
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just ask him I'd say is this a good
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question how does this work what would
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you be in that situation which you're
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lucky to rub shoulders in that respect
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but you've got this tiny moment where
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you see them walking towards you you've
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got to read their body language you've
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got to understand like the time they
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wrote or the competition they were up
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against and how you try and get a read
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on where they're going to be at so you
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the first question or two is really
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exploratory where you try and get a
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gauge of how they're feeling right at
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that moment and you genuinely do mean
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the best when you go how are you feeling
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and a lot of people I don't ask how
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they're feeling oh they're pissed off I
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mean they could be I had a terrible
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experience in London it was poolside and
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Lauren Bole one of our great swimmers
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she would be I think it was the 800
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meters and she finished fourth and she
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came out of the pool crying and this was
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like it's about to be Peak Katie Lei
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which is she's just that incredible
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American swimmer who just smashed 1500
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meters and 800 meters out um and Lauren
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was crying I was like oh you must be so
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gutted those those you know those tears
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you must be so disappointed you got so
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close she was she was like no I'm so
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happy I just smashed my
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PB oh [ __ ] misread that one misread that
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one oh but you're not to know and you've
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only you've got such a short window to
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get it right like what is it 90 seconds
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60 seconds yeah yeah especially these
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days when it's like you're basically
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going live um back in London you're
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basically if you're not live you are
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just feeding it back in most of the
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times it's not live it is repackaged and
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repurposed for the coverage but yeah it
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really is you've got to have your wits
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about you it's just it's not that it is
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terrifying did you did you do um Amy
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Fisher at the the Paris games this year
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no no I didn't do Amy Fisher no I think
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that might have been cumberly Downs yeah
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remember about everyone was talking
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about this mess of Jewel day like Lisa
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Carrington and um Amy Fisher um Lisa won
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Gold and Amy got fourth I just can't
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imagine like how she felt at the time or
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how you'd handle that as a a journalist
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terrible situation for all oh it is it
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is and it's the mark of the joural the
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reporter to ask the right questions and
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pick up the cues but it's also the
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quality of the athlete to be able to
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compose themselves and have to
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encapsulate what just happened in a
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four-year cycle and she had done so well
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she'd beaten Lisa Carrington a couple of
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times which very few people have done
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since London even before that Lisa Karen
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and Dame Lisa is just obviously an
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absolute weapon a goat in the boat and
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for Amy her basically not to really
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unfortunately fire a shot and finish the
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way it did it's just yeah really tough
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it's a tough situation it is compelling
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TV um unfortunately it is really it's
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really good and it's also really tough
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at the same time oh it's drama isn't it
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it's got yeah but it's um it's someone's
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actual life and career and four years of
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their work
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the and that's why I really had this
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thing with when I did the rowing and for
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Finn Finn's different because he's just
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this great kiwi battler who has done so
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well on a sport that was brand new to
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the Olympics no one had heard anything
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about it was looking at YouTube and had
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a Slovakian crew beside me explain this
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is obviously massive like handballs
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massive in Europe and it's at the
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Olympics and we're like what what is
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this but rowers rowers are just New
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Zealand
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is it punches above its weight there's
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massive Crews massive programs out of
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the UK and for them their four-year
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cycle has so much expectation and weight
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put on them just by row New Zealand and
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their friends and family because they
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all live in Cambridge mostly they'll
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train there and they suddenly thrust in
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front of like at times there were
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millions of people watching in New
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Zealand and they they kind of felt like
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you you they have to explain themselves
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basically as to why it happened or why
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it didn't happen and it's there one
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opportunity and that's what I've learned
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over the years is that you have to
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actually deal with you're conveying
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their story you're not just trying to
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ask why what went wrong what went wrong
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you're actually helping them get their
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story across in in a short space a short
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amount of time yeah CU I suppose if they
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have sports pyes or mindset coaches like
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one thing they they get taught is not to
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entertain the possibility of losing
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exactly so it's like they can't a
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prescripted answer about it about what
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happens when um they shut the beard yeah
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and when they and when they they do lose
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or didn't hit their expectations you
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they are quickly processing how it went
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wrong and they yeah you're right that
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mindset just it hasn't entered the
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equation until right there and then and
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so yeah it's trying to trying to not to
00:17:19
be offensive but then also find out what
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they felt like it didn't work for them
00:17:23
on the day and it can be anything
00:17:25
honestly they might wake up and they
00:17:27
have no idea but they've got a stomach
00:17:28
bug and then we saw that with Mah dryy
00:17:30
he rode literally his guts out and um I
00:17:32
think it was Beijing and he just you
00:17:34
know he still did it and we wouldn't
00:17:37
know that we didn't know that and it
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might be something that they still
00:17:41
haven't disclosed and never will
00:17:42
disclose that just they don't want to
00:17:44
tell anyone they weren't feeling 100%
00:17:45
because what how can you not feel 100%
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It's the final you're rowing for gold
00:17:49
you're Racing for gold why can't you why
00:17:51
haven't you not timed that it's
00:17:53
incredibly hard to do well I think um
00:17:55
this like radio sport when it was an
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nday that you were talking about I think
00:17:58
I remember hrish Carter getting in
00:18:00
trouble cuz I think it was maybe the
00:18:01
Sydney games yeah um he underperformed
00:18:03
and afterwards he goes oh I just woke up
00:18:05
this morning and I just knew it wasn't
00:18:06
going to be my day and yeah the talk was
00:18:09
outraged oh that is a red flag to a bll
00:18:14
that is that is vintage radio sport you
00:18:17
would like you can just see the host gu
00:18:19
like this perfect the phone's light up
00:18:21
like an all blacks L it is the easiest
00:18:23
shift you put your feet up answer the
00:18:25
call Tony and Timo what do you think
00:18:28
went wrong a they didn't push in the
00:18:30
scrums you see the loose head he was
00:18:32
angling in too much and we're getting
00:18:34
panged he's always been like a piece of
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chewing gum [ __ ] [ __ ] these stories are
00:18:40
great you've got so many interesting
00:18:41
insights but um yeah we'll we'll R it
00:18:43
back in we'll go back to the early years
00:18:45
of the Andrew Mulligan so you wanted to
00:18:47
be um you wanted to be a cop originally
00:18:49
yeah I thought what age what age are we
00:18:51
talking this would be like when I was
00:18:52
like 11 12 and it was there were cops in
00:18:56
the All Blacks like there was Murray
00:18:58
Pierce and then there was John Galler um
00:19:00
and they were cops in Wellington and I
00:19:02
thought that was pretty cool um and I
00:19:05
actually went on a tour of Wellington
00:19:07
police station and they both took me
00:19:09
around because back then um my dad who
00:19:12
was in radio and so was mom um he just
00:19:16
had a connection and he uh they took me
00:19:18
around I remember them fingerprinting me
00:19:20
but and it was like very cool and then I
00:19:22
remember my mom telling me you're not
00:19:24
going to be a cop because um you've got
00:19:27
Asma and you've got a lady I that had to
00:19:29
be corrected when I was 2 years old and
00:19:31
I was like oh okay all right fair enough
00:19:33
then so that's where that came from yeah
00:19:35
so it was it was a very young age but
00:19:37
you you never like to me it seems like
00:19:39
you never had a chance it was always
00:19:41
going to be media so your mom radio
00:19:43
Legion Jenny um retired last year after
00:19:45
52 years yeah and R what was she in
00:19:47
sales no she was in sales yeah she
00:19:49
started out in denen as a technician so
00:19:52
she was there I think she started when
00:19:54
she was 17 18 and nzbc as it was back
00:19:58
then um and that was in denen and then
00:20:02
met dad and they moved to Wellington and
00:20:05
uh she's they started a family my sister
00:20:08
and I and then Dad kept going and then
00:20:10
she went away from radio for a while and
00:20:13
sold microwaves in a store called
00:20:15
microwave specialist so there's no LOL
00:20:17
leming or um you know Heath coats or
00:20:20
anywhere that specialist microwave
00:20:22
stores that's all they sold that's all
00:20:24
they sold all of them JVC sharp
00:20:27
Panasonic all the Big Brand National
00:20:29
where the national National the genius
00:20:31
it was the national genius like I think
00:20:33
they still made the genius actually
00:20:34
Panasonic that's where National went so
00:20:36
like but then she'll do cooking classes
00:20:38
and make like show people how to make
00:20:40
ginger crunch in the microwave and how
00:20:42
you it's so versatile and stuff and
00:20:44
there would be people who would stop her
00:20:46
on the street in Wellington and say oh
00:20:48
you sold me a microwave I literally
00:20:50
think she sold a microwave to half of
00:20:52
Wellington she was world famous in in
00:20:55
Wellington for selling microwaves and
00:20:57
then she went back to sales and briefly
00:20:59
at Mor FM uh before it was it was at
00:21:02
media works it was an independent and
00:21:05
then she'd been at nzme for very long
00:21:08
time and they were great to her yeah and
00:21:10
Wellington and you guys you guys both
00:21:12
won Radio awards last year yeah we did
00:21:15
yeah that is is that the first time
00:21:17
that's
00:21:18
ever might might yeah that's got be
00:21:21
that's that's really special it's really
00:21:23
cool she got services to broadcast I
00:21:25
think it was services to broadcas and
00:21:26
there's one there the big one that might
00:21:28
Regal got and then there was services
00:21:30
but she was recognized for her um tenure
00:21:32
and the great people at Enz me
00:21:34
Wellington put that together her boss
00:21:36
and friend former boss and friend uh van
00:21:39
and her team did a great job nominating
00:21:41
her and yeah it was very cool it was
00:21:43
like her first R Awards I think ever
00:21:46
maybe in a very long time that she' been
00:21:48
to and they FW her up and stuff that was
00:21:49
very cool that's so special and what are
00:21:52
your early memories of your dad's career
00:21:54
see he he was doing like basketball
00:21:56
commentary and stuff n zbca yes he was
00:21:59
yeah so he'll do Saints games Wellington
00:22:01
Saints games and that was their Heyday
00:22:04
that was where ex cheer Saints yeah the
00:22:05
ex cheer saints that was when they had
00:22:07
Kenny mcfaden and Carrie Bo Agy and they
00:22:11
were um honestly they'd be like in the
00:22:13
show buildings there in New Town that'
00:22:15
have two two and a half thousand people
00:22:19
and it was loud and it was bright and it
00:22:20
was colorful and it was just exciting
00:22:23
and it was very different to going to
00:22:24
like Athletic Park and watching
00:22:26
Wellington Lions play and the N National
00:22:29
Provincial Championship it was just it
00:22:31
just caught my imagination and I he
00:22:33
would take me and ID just roam around
00:22:35
walk around as the ' 8S you could do
00:22:37
anything you know and that was so cool
00:22:39
how and Terry Orchard called the games
00:22:41
um I actually heard Terry Orchard on the
00:22:43
radio the other day or way we while ago
00:22:46
earli this year and I was like oh my God
00:22:47
Terry Orchard what a blast from the past
00:22:49
I was talking to um Jason Pine on ZB and
00:22:52
it was cool it was great um so yeah
00:22:54
that's where but he would also bring
00:22:56
home because no one really wanted to
00:22:58
read it the sports illustrator would be
00:23:01
air mailed to his office and no one
00:23:04
wanted to read it and I was like cuz
00:23:07
back then there were two newspapers
00:23:08
there was the Dominion in the Evening
00:23:10
Post in Wellington and you know that's
00:23:12
where you got your information from but
00:23:14
this American color magazine of all
00:23:16
these these amazing photographs and
00:23:18
these great articles and that really got
00:23:23
my love of basketball and just cemented
00:23:24
it and they had all these Nike ads in it
00:23:26
and there was Michael Jordan you know
00:23:28
and it was he was on the cover like
00:23:30
every three issues it was like a cover
00:23:32
with Michael Jordan on it you learn
00:23:33
about Muhammad Ali and all the stuff
00:23:35
written about these amazing athletes
00:23:38
that just you there was nothing you
00:23:39
couldn't you couldn't watch these
00:23:41
athletes you couldn't hear anything
00:23:43
about these athletes back then in New
00:23:44
Zealand when was that like early 90s
00:23:46
late 80s it was start very late 80s
00:23:50
probably like 9090 19991 onwards yeah it
00:23:54
was just yeah it was great yeah yeah
00:23:57
pre- internet kids can't remember what
00:23:59
it's like America may as well have been
00:24:01
the moon at that point like the only
00:24:04
thing that people remembered about
00:24:05
America was with their grandparents
00:24:07
telling them how much the Yanks annoyed
00:24:09
them when they came here cuz they
00:24:11
touched up their
00:24:13
Grandma CU they went on dates to the War
00:24:16
World War II yeah so is that where the
00:24:19
love of basketball came from yeah yeah
00:24:21
definitely yeah it was and then like
00:24:23
slowly there was NBA programming on TV
00:24:26
and Zed and then I think when TV3
00:24:28
launched they they had some TV they had
00:24:31
NBA action as well and they presented
00:24:34
show games and there were highlights
00:24:36
late at night they get the VCR and try
00:24:38
and work out how to set the timer um and
00:24:41
then obviously it just became easier and
00:24:43
easier to watch games as the internet
00:24:45
slowly progressed through our society
00:24:48
[ __ ] those timers on VHS were so hard to
00:24:50
figure out complicated even with the
00:24:52
G-Code one which was supposed to make it
00:24:54
easy with the pen and the barcode that
00:24:55
was impossible as well remember the
00:24:57
G-Code gcode was supposed to be
00:24:59
revolutionary it was like binary numbers
00:25:02
yeah um yes so your dad um passed away 8
00:25:05
years ago yes yeah yeah what was that
00:25:08
that was um that was yeah that was that
00:25:10
was really it wasn't a shock to me was
00:25:14
he unwell was it an ill or he wasn't
00:25:16
unwell he he basically had a a massive
00:25:18
cardiac event um on the way to a rugby
00:25:20
game um and he was in the he was in the
00:25:23
car with our neighbor well my their
00:25:25
neighbor and their kids and it was
00:25:27
really un fortunate cuz he had this
00:25:29
heart attack and the drive down um and
00:25:32
our neighbor Andrew um had to pull him
00:25:35
out of the car and perform CPR and do
00:25:37
the and there were bystandard excuse me
00:25:40
bystanders you know trying to help
00:25:43
thankfully um Wellington free ambulance
00:25:45
turned up and they took him to the
00:25:47
hospital and it was yeah was well it was
00:25:50
too late basically it was just a one of
00:25:52
those big events and he was on the the
00:25:55
life support for a few days and that was
00:25:57
a tough de for Mom and US my sister and
00:26:00
Ida so they were like no he's lost too
00:26:03
much um oxygen to the brain so he's not
00:26:06
going to um he's not going to come back
00:26:07
sorry so we had to yeah flick the switch
00:26:10
unfortunately yeah how old was he yeah
00:26:13
her dad was about to turn 73 so he was
00:26:15
72 so it was 2017 he was born in 44 yeah
00:26:20
so he's 72 [ __ ] young yeah he'
00:26:23
already had like about 5 years earlier
00:26:26
had a winner for stance
00:26:28
and then they opened him up and had a
00:26:30
quadruple bypass instead of getting the
00:26:32
stance put in his heart so yeah he was
00:26:36
yeah he was on the yeah on the way
00:26:40
basically unfortunately he he tried to
00:26:43
make it uh a few health corrections but
00:26:47
it didn't quite work too like too little
00:26:49
too late I think so yeah prob was he a
00:26:52
smoker or no I wasn't a well I wasn't a
00:26:55
smoker um just just a New Zealand male
00:26:58
that wasn't would try if things got bad
00:27:02
would go to the doctor eventually but it
00:27:05
was stubborn in the terms of like not
00:27:07
really listening um to his family
00:27:09
telling him to Make a Better Health
00:27:11
choices and would do better health
00:27:13
choices but then would revert back to
00:27:15
type unfortunately so yeah I always say
00:27:19
it's a great reminder for me and teaches
00:27:21
me to be more open about your house
00:27:23
struggles and make changes and be
00:27:25
responsible because you never know when
00:27:28
going to happen and get your blood
00:27:29
pressure checked regularly when you're
00:27:31
at a certain age and yeah do all the
00:27:33
screenings that you're supposed to do
00:27:35
and check in with your GP and yeah make
00:27:37
sure that you're basically on the right
00:27:39
path you never know when it's going to
00:27:41
strike you
00:27:42
down yeah how how was that for you it
00:27:44
was it was tough man it was yeah it was
00:27:46
tough it was tough for mom because she
00:27:48
was just in the alone in Wellington yeah
00:27:51
yeah so she's she still lives in our
00:27:53
house and it's taken mom a long a long
00:27:55
time to deal with it her work was great
00:27:58
uh my sister and her partner Ryan are
00:28:00
great they do you know had to pick up
00:28:02
the pieces after the normal bement and
00:28:05
the funeral and all that um took place
00:28:08
um I was actually in denan at a at a All
00:28:11
Blacks game and I got the call from my
00:28:12
sister and she said Dad's dad's had a a
00:28:17
big heart attack and I don't think it's
00:28:18
I don't think it's good and so I had to
00:28:20
leave the All Blacks test match because
00:28:22
I was doing the in-game fronting I had
00:28:24
to tell people from New Zealand Rugby
00:28:27
and that were great that was oh yeah you
00:28:28
have to go so had to get a flight from
00:28:30
denan luckily before the game started
00:28:33
the last flight out of denan going to
00:28:35
Wellington and um got there and then
00:28:38
went and saw him and yeah the the people
00:28:40
are nice to you there in val Hospital
00:28:42
were great but you just see them the the
00:28:46
the breathing being done for him it's
00:28:48
just yeah I don't wish that on anyone
00:28:51
and unfortunately a lot of people do
00:28:53
have that in their lives and it's yeah
00:28:55
it's really tough yeah so you yes so you
00:28:57
didn't get to have like a final like
00:28:59
profound or poyant conversation can you
00:29:02
remember what your last chat was was it
00:29:03
just some main text exchange what was
00:29:06
your relationship like yeah it was good
00:29:08
like it was it was really good sports
00:29:09
chat or yeah Sports Chat I remember the
00:29:12
Lions tour was there that year and then
00:29:16
in Wellington the second test it was
00:29:19
terrible
00:29:20
weather and I checked in with um the
00:29:23
people at New Zeal rugby and I said oh
00:29:25
you because it was aines it was
00:29:27
something there was something different
00:29:29
about the postmatch and they were like
00:29:31
we don't need you for the post game and
00:29:34
I was like that's pretty shitty weather
00:29:36
I might just go home and watch the
00:29:37
second half up at home with Dad and I
00:29:39
was glad I did because I think that was
00:29:41
pretty much the last time I saw him and
00:29:42
that would have been July and when he
00:29:45
passed away it was late August and so
00:29:48
wow yeah yeah so that was that was
00:29:50
pretty I got goosebumps yeah that was um
00:29:53
I don't really remember my the last last
00:29:56
thing so you really got to take a moment
00:29:58
moment and go when those moments are you
00:30:00
always got to check them with Mom and
00:30:02
make sure that they're okay and
00:30:04
reconnect as much as he can cuz you
00:30:05
never know yeah yeah and that's the um
00:30:07
like the downside or the flip side of
00:30:09
like great love isn't it it's great loss
00:30:11
and um yeah like I'm I'm 51 my old man's
00:30:14
still alive he's in Wellington but he's
00:30:15
in his late 70s and realistically like I
00:30:18
probably see him like once or twice a
00:30:19
year for a couple of hours at a time and
00:30:22
I saw something on Instagram it was like
00:30:23
if you work out like how many years
00:30:24
they've got left and how many more
00:30:26
visits you going to have and how many
00:30:27
more hours it's actually yeah you know
00:30:30
maybe you put more care and attention
00:30:32
into these visits I know and that's the
00:30:33
thing mom comes up all the time which is
00:30:36
really good because she loves seeing the
00:30:38
um our two boys and she's helped us out
00:30:40
over the last year as well and we
00:30:44
haven't been down enough but we're going
00:30:46
down for Christmas which is great so
00:30:47
we're really looking forward to that but
00:30:49
yeah when you start look adding it up
00:30:51
and know and looking at that you go oh
00:30:54
[ __ ] yeah that's not much it's not a lot
00:30:57
of time yeah how's how's she doing you
00:30:59
must feel whenever you think about your
00:31:01
mom like yeah do you feel like guilty
00:31:03
that you're not there or yeah oh 100%
00:31:06
yeah and and she's I mean she's she's
00:31:08
amazing she's an amazing woman um she's
00:31:11
great with the kids she's so helpful
00:31:14
she's like you know old she's but she's
00:31:18
not she's not she's very young for her
00:31:20
age she still does yoga she still goes
00:31:23
swimming she still does walks she still
00:31:25
remains very active um and she still
00:31:28
social as well and I think that those
00:31:30
are the keys to old age that that she
00:31:33
really sets a great example she loved
00:31:35
working like she loved being in this
00:31:37
industry there's a lot of young people
00:31:39
and the young people still check in with
00:31:41
her even though she's retired she still
00:31:43
catches up with them and we I say young
00:31:45
they're like in their 30s and 40s but
00:31:47
for them to still want to you know
00:31:50
connect is that speaks volume it speak
00:31:52
it does speak volumes and so that really
00:31:54
it's so important when you're in your
00:31:55
old age is to still be active in a in a
00:31:59
contributing member of society basically
00:32:01
and still being a part of it rather than
00:32:03
just regressing and just clock watching
00:32:05
which is probably some people I think do
00:32:08
yeah yeah but it takes it takes effort
00:32:10
to do that though way be easy for your
00:32:11
mom just to like lock herself up and
00:32:13
sort of mop around a bit but it takes a
00:32:15
real effort to do the alternative um you
00:32:18
yeah you spoke about your dad um I don't
00:32:21
know when it was but there's an article
00:32:22
online about you speaking about him um
00:32:24
on the Rock we'll get into this but you
00:32:26
guys have done um a tremendous amount of
00:32:27
work in the mental health space
00:32:30
particular for you know for I am hope
00:32:31
and gumo Friday it's it's phenomenal
00:32:34
that you can do the top five fart jokes
00:32:36
that's the thing I heard I heard
00:32:38
yesterday and then raise like quarter of
00:32:40
a million or half a million for I am
00:32:41
hope and you talked about um losing your
00:32:43
dad and the mental health realizations
00:32:46
that you got yeah from that like what
00:32:48
were they how was yeah what sort of
00:32:50
impact did that have on your mental
00:32:51
health um yeah I like I said it was just
00:32:55
sort of I felt like a
00:32:58
dad won't be here for a long time after
00:33:02
the the stin was supposed to go in and
00:33:04
became a quadruple bypass and so I think
00:33:07
I just repressed it but I felt like get
00:33:11
used to that phone call so when that
00:33:12
phone call came from my sister I knew I
00:33:15
was like ah yep that's the one that's
00:33:17
the that's the phone call so and I think
00:33:19
that actually helped my grieving cuz I'd
00:33:22
already locked away that that was going
00:33:24
to be a thing which was really which
00:33:27
which is I don't know that's probably
00:33:28
not what therapists say that that you
00:33:30
should do but it's what I did and so
00:33:33
I've I've dealt with it that way but in
00:33:35
terms of like being able to speak about
00:33:37
on the radio just there's so many people
00:33:39
who have been in those
00:33:40
situations that touch that reach out and
00:33:44
touch you in a way where you're
00:33:45
privileged to be in a radio situation
00:33:47
where you'll get these messages it might
00:33:49
not be on the text machine or on air but
00:33:51
it's through other avenues DMS whatever
00:33:54
which has been really it's really cool
00:33:55
we're very lucky at um The Rock because
00:33:59
they appreciate the fart jokes but then
00:34:00
they amazing as a listenership they
00:34:03
gather around each other and they they
00:34:05
help causes and I think over the years
00:34:06
they've actually morning Rumble and it's
00:34:09
driven by Bryce case who's just who's
00:34:11
done a phenomenal job of just
00:34:13
unfortunately having the tragedy and his
00:34:16
within his family and his friends that
00:34:18
he's seen it way too many times um
00:34:20
certainly more than I have and he's used
00:34:23
that to raise and I think it's up to 1.3
00:34:26
million over the years as the show with
00:34:29
gumber Fridays raised that amount of
00:34:31
money which is which is crazy which is
00:34:33
all on the listener which is cool it's
00:34:36
in yeah it's incredible and it's
00:34:37
incredible that you guys have got that
00:34:38
relationship with the audience where
00:34:40
they allow you to do both yeah yeah
00:34:42
exactly it' be very very um exhausting
00:34:45
probably a shortlived career like from
00:34:47
your own making if it was just fat jokes
00:34:49
yeah it would be you want a bit more
00:34:50
substance um yeah how's your mental
00:34:53
health been it's been good yeah it's
00:34:56
been it's been challenging and that was
00:34:58
pretty challenging for everyone um and
00:35:00
then the last few years for media has
00:35:04
been really challenging um obviously uh
00:35:07
but my mental health is is really good
00:35:09
it's been it's been hard for um my wife
00:35:13
this year she's had some health
00:35:14
challenges herself they found a a tear
00:35:17
in her brain and I think a lot of people
00:35:20
have it the walking around um but she
00:35:23
went in for during Co and it would might
00:35:26
have been one of the the delta the
00:35:27
Omicron ways but she tested positive for
00:35:30
Co and then she like one night in the
00:35:33
middle of the night she collapsed in the
00:35:35
in the bathroom and I rang house line
00:35:39
they were great and I told them what had
00:35:41
happened that she'd collapsed and they
00:35:42
were like we're going to bring we've
00:35:44
already rung an ambulance they'll be one
00:35:45
there in 5 minutes and this is like 3:30
00:35:47
in the morning and I was like what the
00:35:50
she's not that bad and what had happened
00:35:53
is that she' basically had these
00:35:55
headaches which we thought was Co
00:35:58
but I was actually a brain tear and so
00:36:01
they did a CT scan and weirdly they were
00:36:04
like where have you been Have You Been
00:36:05
overseas it was when you could travel
00:36:07
but you couldn't really travel and said
00:36:09
they and they said you've got the
00:36:11
original Co these symptoms are the
00:36:13
original Co we can't we're not going to
00:36:14
do it doesn't matter we're not going to
00:36:16
do the Bloods or whatever to really find
00:36:17
out what it is but you've got the
00:36:19
original Co it's like wow the OG Co not
00:36:22
great but respect not the omy or not the
00:36:25
Delta and there was a time when it was
00:36:27
flu was getting everybody and they said
00:36:29
just please as an aside get the flu jff
00:36:33
because there's not many covid cases in
00:36:35
here there's all the flu cuz it's just
00:36:37
obviously we' done the iso and then flu
00:36:39
came back and when we let people back in
00:36:41
the country and it just got people but
00:36:43
they did the CT Scan they found a small
00:36:46
tear and um a close a friend of hers you
00:36:50
know there's a beautiful mural of you
00:36:52
know by the morning side rail Crossing
00:36:55
there as you go to um towards like
00:36:59
Brisco and rebel swort on the right and
00:37:00
there's Morningside T in Orland and
00:37:02
there's a beautiful Muro of Eno and Eno
00:37:04
is a wonderful beautiful um man and has
00:37:08
a great was a great artist and he just
00:37:11
dropped dead one day on the four Court
00:37:12
of a service station with the brain
00:37:14
aneurysm and that was it and it was like
00:37:17
she was just like oh my God this could
00:37:19
happen to me so they did a CT scan they
00:37:21
said come back in 12 months and we'll
00:37:22
see if it's grown we'll do an MRI they
00:37:25
did an MRI and they said look it's it
00:37:27
has grown going um it's not at a rapid
00:37:29
rate thankfully but we need to put a
00:37:30
stin in your in your in your head um and
00:37:34
then so that was booked in and that
00:37:36
happened um earlier this year and she
00:37:38
had this stin put in and didn't really
00:37:40
tell anyone and they go through the
00:37:41
cored artery and that basically through
00:37:43
the thigh and up up up into the head um
00:37:47
and I put they put that in and that was
00:37:50
few months of just horrific pain
00:37:52
horrific headaches as the brain adjusted
00:37:55
to this foreign object and event the the
00:37:58
brain grows around and over it I think
00:38:01
I'm no brain doctor it's not rocket it's
00:38:04
not rocket surgery but they um it
00:38:07
managed to it's yeah she's on a bit of a
00:38:09
journey herself with this but we're
00:38:11
thankful that it was found through Co
00:38:13
like Co saved her we wouldn't have found
00:38:15
it we wouldn't have known wow unless the
00:38:18
headaches were persistent and we
00:38:19
eventually she eventually went and got
00:38:22
help and sorted it out but yeah but with
00:38:25
with Eno was just he had the headaches
00:38:28
and unfortunately they couldn't get to
00:38:30
him in time [ __ ] tough period for you so
00:38:34
mental mental health has been a
00:38:35
challenge this year trying to juggle it
00:38:37
was it was really tough when seeing how
00:38:39
incapacitated she was trying to work
00:38:43
through these these hours that I do and
00:38:45
that meant back to my mom she came up
00:38:47
was amazing and then trying to raise two
00:38:50
kids you know a 4-year-old and a
00:38:53
10-year-old um now they were great kids
00:38:56
they were they were awesome but then
00:38:59
just trying to yeah she's trying to run
00:39:01
her business and her business partner
00:39:03
Lex is great too and then people who
00:39:05
work are great but then trying to make
00:39:08
sure that life continues but also having
00:39:11
to deal with that as well was yeah
00:39:13
really really hard yeah and put on a
00:39:15
brave face for um your boys yeah you
00:39:17
know coer and Miller as well [ __ ] it's a
00:39:19
lot are you are you um thanks for being
00:39:22
so open today are you generally quite
00:39:23
good at like having open and you know
00:39:26
vulnerable conversations with people
00:39:27
people yeah I think so I think I've
00:39:28
learned to be that way especially
00:39:30
working at the Rock because we we do it
00:39:32
uh on a semi-regular basis um but you
00:39:36
just you learn to be more transparent
00:39:39
because a problem shared is a problem
00:39:41
halfed and we've got a really good
00:39:44
environment on our show off air as much
00:39:47
as we do on air um about it as well and
00:39:50
I just think yeah I've got really good
00:39:52
mates who I can talk to and they they
00:39:54
know Emma very well and it's been it's
00:39:57
been really good yeah it's it's
00:39:59
certainly not easy you don't know how to
00:40:01
start that conversation you don't know
00:40:03
go you know what my mental health is not
00:40:05
good you don't expect somebody to say
00:40:07
that yeah and as soon as they do you
00:40:09
want you feel you want to drop
00:40:10
everything and really go deep you don't
00:40:13
have to but then you know if somebody is
00:40:17
in a way then you just start to check in
00:40:20
a little bit more regularly and frame
00:40:22
conversations a little bit better and
00:40:24
make sure this you are checking in and
00:40:26
making sure that there is an open
00:40:28
dialogue that's two way that's both ways
00:40:31
yeah I think the the hard thing is um
00:40:33
like being um the bigger person and
00:40:36
taking the first step and um you know
00:40:38
starting that sort of vulnerability
00:40:39
exchange yeah um yeah just but it's it
00:40:42
is it is hard it's like like taking that
00:40:45
first step is the hardest one but once
00:40:46
you start and it gives the other person
00:40:48
permission um you know to share their
00:40:50
stuff as well I don't [ __ ] and I don't
00:40:53
do it but I I mean it's I probably
00:40:55
should it's it's Americans do it well
00:40:58
they just go to therapy um not allic
00:41:01
you've never been I've never been but I
00:41:03
probably think I should I've been twice
00:41:06
and cuz it was like my mental health was
00:41:07
but was really taking a hit a couple of
00:41:10
years ago during the co lockdowns and
00:41:12
things just were building up and I did a
00:41:15
good job of making sure that I was
00:41:19
talking to somebody but sometimes you
00:41:21
don't click with your therapist and I
00:41:24
found found this this guy and he was
00:41:26
great and we ended up just talking about
00:41:29
the black
00:41:32
caps and I was like I don't know if I'm
00:41:34
really should have to have to pay to
00:41:36
talk about the black CS I we get paid to
00:41:39
talk about the black and the black CS
00:41:41
they've they've caused a lot of mental
00:41:42
health problems over the years they've
00:41:44
been great they won the test
00:41:45
Championship yeah they've been fantastic
00:41:47
lately but yeah so I going back I think
00:41:51
if you can and is a is a big cost but if
00:41:54
you aren't finding the conversation easy
00:41:57
with your your Foo or your friends there
00:42:01
may be someone in the professional side
00:42:02
of it just to have a chat it doesn't
00:42:05
have to be I've been diagnosed with this
00:42:08
I need to get on these meds I need to
00:42:09
talk to a professional it doesn't have
00:42:11
to be that way yeah yeah I put off going
00:42:15
for to therapy for years because I was
00:42:16
like oh I don't know it's going to be
00:42:17
weird like talking about the stuff to a
00:42:19
stranger and where do you start yeah but
00:42:21
then you go there and you realize other
00:42:22
professionals but seems like old black
00:42:24
hatat mate maybe maybe he was like just
00:42:26
easing you into a bit too slowly yeah
00:42:28
yeah yeah maybe maybe I think we just
00:42:30
worked it out and it was it was that
00:42:33
time where everything was happening
00:42:36
really quickly in the media space and it
00:42:39
was a worry as to whether or not things
00:42:42
were going to happen professionally or
00:42:44
not and you just tried to make it work
00:42:48
and that stress of trying to make it
00:42:50
work and we had a we had a baby who was
00:42:53
a toddler and um my wife it was really
00:42:57
tough on her the the second pregnancy
00:42:59
because we'd gone on an IVF journey and
00:43:01
thankfully like literally the last shot
00:43:03
of it worked and then it was like he was
00:43:06
born September 3rd 2019 and then 6
00:43:09
months later on lockdown and it was
00:43:11
juggling that her juggling a brand new
00:43:13
business at the same time she's
00:43:14
literally whatsapping her business
00:43:16
partner the night of giving birth and
00:43:19
like having to you know keep up um a
00:43:23
basically a straight face so yeah she's
00:43:25
an absolute weapon and the and the the
00:43:28
the labor in the pregnancy was traumatic
00:43:31
because she's a ger she's a geriatric
00:43:33
pregnancy because she's of a certain age
00:43:36
so like all these things sounds terrible
00:43:38
by the way it does it does what's a
00:43:40
geriatric like mid 30s I think it's 35
00:43:43
and over I think they it's so offensive
00:43:45
it is so offensive but hey who we to
00:43:48
question Medical Science but there so it
00:43:50
just became um it just sort of mounted
00:43:53
and mounted and mounted yeah and then I
00:43:55
just sort of had to say hey no this is a
00:43:59
good option here I need to have a
00:44:00
conversation and start that spark that
00:44:04
chat are you good at sharing with her or
00:44:06
do you do you oh could be better we've
00:44:09
got so much going on with our kids and
00:44:12
our lives and our careers that we
00:44:14
probably don't and we actually just
00:44:15
enjoy just watching TV together but we
00:44:19
we're very good at just um knowing how
00:44:23
it works like we should probably do just
00:44:26
coup's therapy and get back into um
00:44:29
reconnecting as a couple because
00:44:30
marriage and stress of that and making
00:44:33
you know your lives better and your
00:44:35
family happy and stuff like that we're
00:44:36
very lucky we got two very good boys so
00:44:38
we' we're lucky but if you have a if
00:44:40
there's problems with your child's
00:44:42
learning or they're not socializing at
00:44:45
school as much and you're under the pump
00:44:47
professionally and you know you might be
00:44:49
made redundant or your job might be I
00:44:51
just can't yeah it's just so hard to
00:44:54
have to deal with all these societal
00:44:55
pressures that we've had to deal with
00:44:57
over the last few years yeah and just
00:44:59
like the just the day-to-day business of
00:45:01
adulting like you know having a job
00:45:03
paying your mortgage paying the bills
00:45:04
like looking after the kids like the the
00:45:06
relationship is generally going to be
00:45:08
the thing that suffers the most he CU
00:45:09
that goes on the back burner yeah it
00:45:11
does yeah yeah it certainly does because
00:45:13
it's like as soon as you get married
00:45:15
you're just on the set path of away you
00:45:17
go and it's supposed to be happy family
00:45:19
but it's like a 47 46% divorce rate in
00:45:23
New Zealand and it just it just doesn't
00:45:25
happen I mean you know as well like if
00:45:27
it doesn't happen it doesn't happen it's
00:45:29
no it's no through any fault of your own
00:45:32
or if it's not working it's not working
00:45:35
and so it's probably quite big of you to
00:45:37
to say hey let's we've Grown Apart here
00:45:40
where a lot of people don't and it's
00:45:41
just toxic households yeah yeah it's
00:45:45
challenging though I it's yeah it's
00:45:47
definitely one of the biggest
00:45:48
adversities I went through like marriage
00:45:49
breakup along with the fertility stuff
00:45:51
as well but um yeah me and JJ are still
00:45:53
great friends and we still get on
00:45:55
[ __ ] great and there are times where
00:45:56
you think ah
00:45:57
did we try hard enough is that the
00:45:59
problem you know you have these yeah but
00:46:00
by whose standards you can always have
00:46:03
those regrets as well but it's like you
00:46:05
didn't sit out you didn't have bullet
00:46:07
well I don't know but you didn't have
00:46:08
bullet points we must we did have bullet
00:46:09
points yeah yeah JJ would she would have
00:46:11
had bullet points she would have
00:46:13
organized
00:46:14
it yeah there was a PDF spreadsheet yeah
00:46:17
yeah yeah yeah no that's great oh thanks
00:46:19
for sharing that stuff really appreciate
00:46:21
it um okay let's get back to your early
00:46:24
uh media career so um cow TV
00:46:27
yeah yeah so this is this was um I found
00:46:30
some clips on YouTube with that are
00:46:31
still floating around um this is
00:46:33
groundbreaking TV this is sort of like
00:46:35
um I suppose the same s parallel with
00:46:38
sort of havoc and news boy well it was
00:46:39
around about the same time and havoc and
00:46:41
news boy there that like honestly the in
00:46:42
ic TV they were the when we were
00:46:45
students and they it was like especially
00:46:49
for me ice TV was just so [ __ ] cool
00:46:52
like it was just such different stuff I
00:46:55
can't even remember when the slots were
00:46:56
it was like Monday afternoons or
00:46:57
Saturday afternoons or something or I
00:47:00
they jumped around but havoc and news
00:47:02
boy just had that style of humor which
00:47:04
was really really dry for New Zealand at
00:47:08
the time so like Fred dag was dry right
00:47:12
but everybody knew the joke because he
00:47:13
was being a character whereas havoc and
00:47:16
news boy you really didn't you were like
00:47:19
gay old Gore [ __ ] Gore got angry it was
00:47:22
so good back then you could make those
00:47:24
jokes but so CTV
00:47:28
was basically taking that I guess a
00:47:31
little bit of that philosophy and then
00:47:33
just using it on dened and in dened
00:47:37
North deden as you know is just like a
00:47:39
this I call it like a biosphere back
00:47:41
then especially when it still had the
00:47:43
pubs like GIS and the bowler and Captain
00:47:46
Cook and the like that was just like
00:47:49
there was no need to leave your world
00:47:51
because the uni campus was right there
00:47:54
and you know our mate Clark gford was
00:47:56
the producer of CTV it was his
00:47:58
internship he went to broadcasting scor
00:48:00
Christ Church after his first year of
00:48:02
Union where I met him and then he came
00:48:04
back and started this show which was
00:48:06
basically all around the Walk of Shame
00:48:09
so cuz we were in this biosphere and
00:48:11
nobody really had cars and you didn't
00:48:13
need to drive anywhere people on Sunday
00:48:15
mornings maybe Saturday mornings depends
00:48:16
if Club rugby was on or not on Saturday
00:48:18
people went out on Fridays but Sunday
00:48:20
mornings especially early 7 to 8 people
00:48:23
try and walk home back to their flats
00:48:25
from where they'd been the night before
00:48:27
and you'd get like the Walk of Shame
00:48:30
like still looking like you know you'd
00:48:33
been dragged through the bushes maybe
00:48:35
not literally but you try and get them
00:48:37
on T on camera and you can do it because
00:48:39
if they're on the street they're fair
00:48:41
game and you'd have people who would
00:48:43
still talk to you and you'd have people
00:48:46
who run you know and it was just the
00:48:48
guilt you felt bad chasing them I was
00:48:51
like you're on an episode of fear go
00:48:53
there's a clip I saw on YouTube and
00:48:54
that's Clark saying we love the chase we
00:48:57
love it and you've got like an Old
00:48:59
English taxi or something yeah that was
00:49:01
the channel 9 taxi I yeah the channel
00:49:04
yeah was it because the channel 9 was a
00:49:06
station it had nothing to do with
00:49:07
Channel 9 in Australia but it was just
00:49:09
Channel 9 and denen and it's no longer
00:49:11
there um unfortunately but um yeah it
00:49:14
would be on like it was half hour weekly
00:49:16
show on student life and I don't even
00:49:19
know what Cal stood for I don't even
00:49:20
know why he called it Cal TV to this day
00:49:24
um I think it was like campus
00:49:25
orientation weekly maybe as an acronym
00:49:28
but it was like this old and we had
00:49:30
Nightline turn up and I wasn't the
00:49:32
original host it was good friend of mine
00:49:35
Marcus sag and Clark think had to have
00:49:39
like classic female male presento
00:49:42
because you need to appeal to both
00:49:44
audiences and then he went through about
00:49:47
four presenters female wise that just
00:49:50
flake out they didn't want to do it or
00:49:52
they just went to you know away for the
00:49:54
weekend when they were shooting and it's
00:49:56
like and lived with Marcus um flattered
00:49:59
with them and then one day they're like
00:50:01
[ __ ] we're still waiting for so and so
00:50:03
to turn up and I was like and we got to
00:50:05
do the shoot and I was like well I can
00:50:07
help I can I can do the shoot cuz I know
00:50:10
Marcus I know Clark we can we flat
00:50:13
together we've done gags before and so
00:50:16
it became like that and I don't think
00:50:18
Clark was 100% of me doing it cuz I
00:50:20
still think he felt like he needed a
00:50:21
female but the luckily for me the head
00:50:25
of pro in at Channel 9 with the head of
00:50:28
the station Ross he was like no the
00:50:31
these two are great cuz they know each
00:50:32
other and they have a bond and they can
00:50:35
they feed off each other so that's how
00:50:36
that started and So Cal TV
00:50:39
became half an hour went from half an
00:50:42
hour on a weekday and we do like would
00:50:45
set up a well Clark would set up a
00:50:47
camera in the corner of the Captain Cook
00:50:49
and then as people came into the dance
00:50:51
floor they just start making out and I
00:50:53
was just like P we just F the making out
00:50:57
it sounds so creepy now I say it PDF cam
00:51:00
or something yeah PDA PDA PDA Cam and
00:51:03
then would voice over it and just like
00:51:06
make all these make out noises and say
00:51:09
things put literally words in their
00:51:11
mouths you can't get away with it now no
00:51:14
I saw it coming on YouTube under one of
00:51:15
the things saying oh is it just and it
00:51:17
was like from this year it was like oh
00:51:18
is this is it just me or is this kind of
00:51:20
creepy and it's like well you know it's
00:51:21
quarter of a century ago though it was
00:51:23
fine at the time it was fine at the time
00:51:25
hasn't aged well but not
00:51:27
Regional television who thought that was
00:51:28
still going to be on a a video sharing
00:51:30
platform um like YouTube you for all to
00:51:34
see quarter of a century later um and
00:51:37
you and clug do you you still in touch
00:51:39
do you keep in touch yeah every now and
00:51:41
again just via socials yeah like see him
00:51:43
at some random spots um yeah hung out
00:51:47
with them recently well when I say
00:51:48
recently like last year bumped into him
00:51:51
and yeah it's like it's just crazy to go
00:51:53
it's like that's Clark but he's also
00:51:55
he's the you know the husband of jendra
00:51:58
Odun it's crazy I think in terms of um
00:52:00
like leaders Partners I don't know if
00:52:03
anyone's had a worse go than what he's
00:52:04
said like yeah in terms of the rumors
00:52:06
and stuff like him being on home
00:52:08
detention and all this other stuff it's
00:52:10
just ludicrous and you think it's
00:52:11
laughable but then it's you realize no
00:52:13
this is actually someone's [ __ ] life
00:52:15
yeah yeah and now like these the people
00:52:17
that start those rumors were empowered
00:52:19
by
00:52:21
um lockdowns and vaccines and and 5G
00:52:24
where they weren't just they weren't
00:52:26
just on the fringes anymore they were
00:52:28
like still Fringe but just seeping into
00:52:31
everyday conversation cuz it would just
00:52:32
be like oh did you see that thing on
00:52:34
Facebook where xyz's in trouble and
00:52:37
they've and like it was your auntie on
00:52:39
Facebook going asking a question and
00:52:42
that just fit into itself and it just
00:52:44
became this ugly ugly rumor that just
00:52:47
begat another rumor that begat another
00:52:49
rumor and eventually it just became had
00:52:51
to like they had to address it that's
00:52:53
how that's how messed up it was in New
00:52:55
Zealand there for it still is messed up
00:52:58
to be honest oh it's completely cooked
00:53:00
so was it after C TV is that when our
00:53:02
paths crossed is that when you started
00:53:03
at the ede yeah so Clark started as your
00:53:06
producer right and then yeah cuz he was
00:53:08
I think he was on a he was on one of
00:53:10
those one of the very very early seasons
00:53:11
of Treasure Island back before they had
00:53:13
celebrities on so he was just like a
00:53:15
regular civilian he was on Treasure
00:53:18
Island I think he did quite well he came
00:53:19
second I think was he and he's like
00:53:22
always going to be great at Treasure
00:53:23
Island because very resourceful and he
00:53:25
yeah he was
00:53:27
he was on Treasure Island then he became
00:53:28
the producer of the morning mad house on
00:53:30
the edge and then I finished up at Uni
00:53:33
I'd done another year of CTV which had
00:53:36
been picked up as a by Spates as a
00:53:38
sponsor and it went from half an hour um
00:53:41
weekly to one hour every night every
00:53:44
week night for a full year which is
00:53:47
where I just basically cut my teeth like
00:53:49
there was no one telling me really how
00:53:51
to do it and how to be a presenter or
00:53:54
anything but I just sort of fashioned a
00:53:56
a version of myself on TV on in denen at
00:54:00
10:30 at night and that's how I met
00:54:02
Steven from denen cuz he'd ring in and
00:54:04
some days Steven was great and sometimes
00:54:06
he just H down the phone you as he's
00:54:08
prone to
00:54:09
do happy birthday stepen oh Ste we're
00:54:13
taking him to La I know I saw that it's
00:54:15
amazing that's so generous that's so
00:54:16
cool that you guys sorted that out oh
00:54:18
it's it's going to be fun but being at
00:54:19
his um 50th which was at the um the cin
00:54:21
Co in um like at 10:00 at night when it
00:54:25
was wrapping up like his was like um
00:54:27
have you had a good day stepen he's like
00:54:28
oh it's pretty like you with your your
00:54:30
5-year-old like he was like I don't want
00:54:31
to I don't want to talk about it she was
00:54:33
like now Steven you've had a lot of
00:54:34
sugar today I think we need a good
00:54:36
night's sleep and then we'll start
00:54:37
tomorrow it was an interesting Insight
00:54:39
cuz we thought in La this is how we're
00:54:40
going to have to speak to him if he gets
00:54:42
grumpy yeah don't speak to him like a
00:54:44
50-year-old like adult man speak to him
00:54:46
like he's a like he's a a young kid yeah
00:54:48
he's he's such an icon of denan like he
00:54:51
really is and he's um he's he was great
00:54:54
when I was there and then yeah to see
00:54:57
how you guys had him as a as a a part of
00:55:00
your show and and how you've just T
00:55:02
taken him under your wings basically
00:55:04
yeah what such a big part of his life
00:55:05
you can't just sort of cast him aside so
00:55:09
I wasn't aware of all that TV experience
00:55:10
you had in Den need in so then you
00:55:11
started the age and you like um you like
00:55:14
a promo you were just like putting CDs
00:55:16
and DVDs and bags and them out yeah
00:55:18
ordering Banner WAP and right so you
00:55:21
were completely underutilized so I feel
00:55:23
like the the the the promo manager and
00:55:25
the the pr director I feel like they
00:55:28
they did you did you express an interest
00:55:30
in what you wanted to do not really no I
00:55:34
just thought I could get you were
00:55:35
completely underused though way may yeah
00:55:37
maybe may but also I wasn't any I had
00:55:40
never done radio and never been on radi
00:55:42
never studied radio never you know
00:55:44
started as a 17year old or whatever what
00:55:46
how are you wearing two x 2xs 2xs sorry
00:55:51
2xs and P me like and then just taken
00:55:53
under Mike West Wang and then that's how
00:55:55
you radio never no one ever showed me
00:55:57
this is how you radio so I probably was
00:56:00
just sort of I'd been hired to do Xbox
00:56:02
Gold uh summer parties and organized
00:56:05
them and I did them I executed it
00:56:09
relatively well but then I remember one
00:56:12
day Leon our boss said to me right
00:56:15
you're doing the fat 40 and Stables is
00:56:18
away and you're doing the fat 40 or fat
00:56:21
30 or whatever it was and like I was
00:56:25
like what is what does that mean no one
00:56:27
showed me how to record anything or go
00:56:29
live and then I I just remember just
00:56:32
absolutely cooking it and I remember M
00:56:34
putu having to come in and do it and fix
00:56:37
it all on a Saturday afternoon and this
00:56:39
is in Hamilton so I started in Hamilton
00:56:41
it was just like that probably sent me
00:56:44
back a long time in radio that's so
00:56:47
unfair though I know it was like single
00:56:49
swim and I S like a Stein did you like
00:56:52
on reflection was it as bad as what you
00:56:54
yeah cuz i' i' like the cook the logs
00:56:57
and everything was out of time things
00:56:58
were playing over the top of each other
00:57:01
I don't know what they were thinking I
00:57:02
don't know what Leon was thinking that
00:57:04
was a real test for me and I cocked it
00:57:06
so you yeah you were there for a while
00:57:08
and then
00:57:10
um then you left you went to Japan to
00:57:12
teach English yeah I went to Japan I had
00:57:14
a mate who who had gone to Japan to
00:57:16
teach English and then fell in with the
00:57:19
stock broken crowd because he played
00:57:22
rugby and they're all xats and then made
00:57:24
a ton of money doing that so he didn't
00:57:26
need to teach English but he was like
00:57:27
it's a great way to come to Japan on
00:57:29
your way to the
00:57:31
UK make some money and he had this
00:57:34
amazing three-bedroom apartment that has
00:57:36
work paid for like right like a
00:57:39
10-minute walk from shabuya Crossing by
00:57:42
a place called yoyogi Park which is
00:57:45
Flash as and I just stayed in in this
00:57:49
room in his apartment that I didn't have
00:57:50
to pay for and then was there for like 6
00:57:53
months and I thought I don't really want
00:57:55
to go to oh [ __ ] I don't really actually
00:57:58
want to go to the UK and just grind it
00:58:00
out in a shared space with 12 other
00:58:03
people from
00:58:04
ashb Hammersmith where all the other out
00:58:07
and you know do that I'd rather go back
00:58:10
and do try my luck at media one last
00:58:15
time and by then I was in my
00:58:17
mid-20s and I'd already worked with um
00:58:21
this girl CLA Gibson who's uh who now
00:58:24
lives in London and she had been my
00:58:26
producer after Clark at C TV for that
00:58:29
year that we did an hour live every day
00:58:31
and we um she just started at three
00:58:34
sport which was basically the production
00:58:36
side of TV3 that did all the free to
00:58:39
wear rugby and made the sports
00:58:41
Production shows not the sports news
00:58:43
that was different and then so I got a
00:58:45
job there and that based off
00:58:48
CTV and John McDonald who um who's who
00:58:52
had done basically everything now done
00:58:55
Dancing with the Stars and all that for
00:58:56
TV3 one of the big dogss at TV3 for
00:58:58
years he ran the three sport part of it
00:59:01
and we started a a show called sports
00:59:04
are and Oscar kley Nathan Ry were host
00:59:07
and I was the I was the reporter that no
00:59:10
one knew everyone else was famous there
00:59:12
was Dion Nash there was Kelly Swanson
00:59:14
row there was all these famous people
00:59:17
and then there was me and all these
00:59:19
famous people had all these amazing jobs
00:59:21
and stuff this was one of them a Mandy
00:59:24
Smith now Mandy Barker was one like all
00:59:26
these great people and then I was the
00:59:28
one who had nothing else except this job
00:59:31
and then I could go and do these
00:59:34
incredible overseas trips for two weeks
00:59:36
3 weeks and file these stories and that
00:59:40
that wouldn't age CU they couldn't do it
00:59:42
cuz they couldn't take the time to go
00:59:44
away for two to three weeks and so I got
00:59:47
to go to like the Indianapolis 500 and
00:59:50
interview Scott Dixon in this Rocky
00:59:51
season as first Indie 500 I went
00:59:54
interviewed Kirk peny who was in Chicago
00:59:57
and about to do the NBA pre-draft pre
00:59:59
pre-draft camp in interview H he just
01:00:02
come out of Wisconsin um Travis uh can't
01:00:07
remember I want to say Travis Scott but
01:00:09
it's not um he was a baseballer and he
01:00:13
was literally in the minor leagues
01:00:15
trying to Slug It Out and make it into
01:00:18
Major League Baseball which is a great
01:00:19
story so I went to Syracuse where he was
01:00:21
playing in doublea baseball and um
01:00:24
Travis Wilson it was and so
01:00:26
I did I did all these stories and I just
01:00:28
made it a little bit CTV it was a little
01:00:31
bit rock and roll and we used you know
01:00:33
actual production music and it was
01:00:35
fastpaced and it was supposed to be
01:00:36
slick and it was slick thankfully and it
01:00:39
was just it just had a bit of a you know
01:00:40
a bit of a a wink in your eye about it
01:00:43
and yeah that's when it started really
01:00:45
and I was like [ __ ] and I had these I
01:00:47
just remember coming back and delivering
01:00:49
the 7500 story and these Grizzly not
01:00:53
grizzled experienced joural producers at
01:00:56
TV3 come up to me and say Well done and
01:01:00
like really good stuff and I was like
01:01:02
they're like yeah I can't believe have
01:01:04
you done this before I was like no I've
01:01:05
never done this I've just got lucky and
01:01:08
so that was that would gave me a lot of
01:01:10
confidence that I was on the right path
01:01:11
I'd made the right decision and that was
01:01:13
about six months after I got back from
01:01:14
Japan I'd done some Super Rugby
01:01:17
storytelling before then you then you
01:01:19
had that foot on the letter and I
01:01:20
suppose that's all you needed so we were
01:01:21
talking about before like you do a good
01:01:23
job and you're nice to be around and
01:01:24
you're polite and you're and it's
01:01:26
amazing how far it gets you and also but
01:01:28
being persistent because like you like
01:01:30
you said like did you really make it
01:01:31
knowing that you wanted to be this at
01:01:33
the edge and I was like obviously no but
01:01:36
then this time round John he so much
01:01:39
John McDonald so much on his plate he
01:01:41
kept forgetting about me because he had
01:01:42
all these other people who were like
01:01:45
really important ex ex sports stars and
01:01:48
I just kept nagging him and St mcferson
01:01:51
who was the producer to be on the pilot
01:01:54
for this and be on the pilot and I want
01:01:56
to do the story I've got this great idea
01:01:58
bows is back and Bows is Big with the
01:02:01
these teenagers and I found the story
01:02:03
that three news had done um about I his
01:02:07
name was mroy and he was a really good
01:02:09
bowler but he was 19 years old and I
01:02:13
just thought I could jux to position it
01:02:15
with a bit of n FR Williams music Fast
01:02:19
Cuts make it rock and roll take their
01:02:21
track cuz I didn't need to it was just a
01:02:22
pilot and then do it and then put that
01:02:25
on the pilot but the pilot wasn't
01:02:27
actually my name I could see on the
01:02:29
white ball my name wasn't on the rundown
01:02:31
and so I had to I basically just
01:02:33
harassed them to do it and it made the
01:02:35
cut because then the exacts who
01:02:36
commissioned the show were like oh yeah
01:02:38
we really like that and that's how close
01:02:40
it came was like I could have just been
01:02:42
left off the list if I hadn't said
01:02:43
anything so you really got to if you
01:02:45
feel it and you know you just have to
01:02:47
push and you know youve being pushy but
01:02:49
you know you're you're right for the
01:02:51
role that they don't think you are yet
01:02:54
yeah it's a good skill to have I think
01:02:56
that persistence it's about um having
01:02:58
the the I suppose the social awareness
01:02:59
to know when you're just like [ __ ]
01:03:01
pain in the ass when you're just a
01:03:02
Punisher and like people are like [ __ ]
01:03:05
off oh my God this guy um yeah that's
01:03:09
[ __ ] great was IT Crowd gohost wild
01:03:11
after that yeah so now you're doing a
01:03:14
sports 365 or something yeah so what
01:03:16
happened was TV3 had all the free to
01:03:18
wear rights that Sky basically leased to
01:03:22
them which meant that every Saturday
01:03:24
night there was a free to a game on TV3
01:03:27
but it was 90 minutes after the game had
01:03:28
actually kicked off and then that was
01:03:30
full of ads and then as that I I think
01:03:34
that basically the public and the
01:03:36
diffusion of Sky into households
01:03:38
diffusion of innovation people slowly
01:03:40
became more and more open to bind sky
01:03:42
and we have one of the highest
01:03:44
penetrations of of payv in the world
01:03:47
especially at that time people would the
01:03:50
audience was dwindling for the free to
01:03:52
AAR rights so um I think they just
01:03:56
decided that they weren't going to buy
01:03:57
these rights anymore because they
01:03:58
couldn't sell them so TV3 basically
01:04:01
everything just constricted and John
01:04:04
said look give give Sky a call and you
01:04:08
um I'll put in a great word for you I
01:04:11
think your resume you know you've got
01:04:13
your Sizzle reel and they'll know who
01:04:15
you are by now which is great which is
01:04:18
very helpful and so I rang sky and that
01:04:19
was like 2005 and Sport 365 was their
01:04:22
Nightly News show and it was basically I
01:04:25
just went there as as a producer and a
01:04:28
reporter and I was like starting back at
01:04:32
the bottom of the ladder again which is
01:04:33
fine because it was like you just can't
01:04:35
have a rock and roll ride the whole time
01:04:37
and so we did 365 and some and sometimes
01:04:40
it would make it to air and other times
01:04:42
the whole system would just [ __ ] itself
01:04:43
because they bought uh French radio
01:04:47
editing software to edit TV on this
01:04:51
vintage Sky back then go cheap and
01:04:54
demand something something that isn't
01:04:56
set up to do it and it would just it was
01:04:58
called dallot and it just crashed all
01:05:00
the time and things wouldn't happen and
01:05:01
it was a bit of a nightmare but there
01:05:03
was people like Melody Robinson was on
01:05:05
it Brenan pong was hosting it um yeah it
01:05:10
was like great people step MAA obviously
01:05:13
and we all worked on it and then Sky
01:05:17
bought Prime TV and Prime was owned by
01:05:20
the Aussies and Paul Holmes was on it
01:05:22
remember when Paul Holmes left yeah made
01:05:24
the big switch it was mess massive
01:05:26
massive massive deal like a lot of money
01:05:29
and that hadn't worked out for Paul I
01:05:32
mean he got paid so it worked out
01:05:33
financially but um the audience didn't
01:05:36
go with Paul which is a real it was a
01:05:38
real telling like far out Paul Holmes
01:05:40
was leaving everyone's going to go watch
01:05:42
them on Prime that TV1 audience is not
01:05:45
going anywhere it is it is locked in you
01:05:49
know 5:00 the chase nowadays 6:00 One
01:05:52
news no rival to it 7:00 seven sharp
01:05:56
with Jeremy and Hillary amazing 500,000
01:05:58
people still watching linear
01:06:00
TV and back then like the Paul homes
01:06:03
experiment didn't work but Sky bought it
01:06:05
because they bought a free toar channel
01:06:09
so those free toar rights that they were
01:06:10
leasing out they needed those Free To
01:06:14
Wear rights to to bid for the Olympics
01:06:17
because you got to have an element of
01:06:19
global sport events on free to AAR CU
01:06:21
they won't just let everything hide
01:06:23
behind a pay wall you have to have a
01:06:25
free to AAR ch pel so it it was a
01:06:27
strategic acquisition by John fet the
01:06:29
CEO and the board and then the Paul
01:06:32
holes thing I don't think they really
01:06:33
wanted to be lumbered with a huge
01:06:34
contract so they asked that and that's
01:06:37
how Crowd Goes Wild came about because
01:06:38
John fet went to Rick elito and said we
01:06:41
need something that showcases sky sport
01:06:43
to a free toar audience and we need it
01:06:45
to be every week night and I want it to
01:06:47
be fun and a reverent and a shop window
01:06:51
to what we offer and so Kos wild started
01:06:55
like that
01:06:56
and Rick um and Rick basically got the
01:06:59
existing budget of sport 365 so they
01:07:01
guessed sport
01:07:02
365 um which didn't go down well with
01:07:05
some people in the sport office and then
01:07:07
they took that budget and gave it to
01:07:09
Rick and said this is your kago wild
01:07:11
budget well this is your show budget and
01:07:14
you take whoever you want to bring
01:07:16
across and I'd known rck because I'd
01:07:17
done a few things a little bit with
01:07:20
Sports Cafe that didn't make it to a but
01:07:22
he knew and he'd been at TV3 as a
01:07:24
consultant in and out with John McDonald
01:07:28
and just right place right time because
01:07:29
he said oh yeah I'll bring I'll bring
01:07:31
Andrew across because I think he'll be a
01:07:32
great producer for us and he's he's got
01:07:34
a great eye for like you know being a
01:07:37
little bit of reverent and so we ended
01:07:40
up he ended up coming out with the show
01:07:42
and he he had an idea for Mark
01:07:44
Richardson to abuse him because he' done
01:07:46
this thing with Steven Fleming where he
01:07:49
had been
01:07:51
um Stephen Fleming was obviously the
01:07:54
cricket captain and paid Mark out for
01:07:56
asking a really dumb question and and it
01:07:59
was was the best acting it was so good
01:08:02
it was so good it was for Mark's Cricket
01:08:03
show and they filmed it solely for the
01:08:07
cricket show that played on Sky cuz it
01:08:09
was his a reverent style of humor as
01:08:11
well but what the mistake was well
01:08:14
wasn't a mistake it was when you when
01:08:17
you're in an OB everything gets fed into
01:08:19
a truck right and it's kept in the in
01:08:23
the hard drive of the truck but what had
01:08:25
being shut down was the link to India
01:08:28
cuz India would buy all the cricket and
01:08:29
to stream all the cricket and
01:08:33
somehow it went to Air and they must
01:08:35
have thought in India oh Mark
01:08:37
Richardson's going to interview Steven
01:08:38
Fleming and somehow got Lost in
01:08:41
Translation that they took this
01:08:43
interview and I don't know if it went
01:08:45
live or not but they played the
01:08:46
interview out of Mark getting ripped by
01:08:48
Steven Fleming and the Indians were like
01:08:50
oh my God holy [ __ ] Stephen fing the
01:08:54
black caps captain is reaming his former
01:08:57
teammate and now presenter Mark
01:08:58
Richardson this is shocking this is
01:09:00
great TV this is amazing and um of
01:09:04
course it wasn't it was all Lost in
01:09:06
Translation but it became famous went
01:09:09
viral before viral was viral um and Rick
01:09:13
hired Mark to do that and then he needed
01:09:15
somebody beside him he needed a and so
01:09:17
we ended up or I ended up auditioning
01:09:20
all these different people one day in
01:09:22
the studio space offsite and all these
01:09:26
different people came through and I was
01:09:27
the one who sat in the other chair
01:09:30
asking them questions manufacturing a
01:09:32
bit of banter and AD liing and just I
01:09:36
remember the phone call Rick ringing me
01:09:38
and I was in my flat and gry Lin and he
01:09:41
said look um thank you doing for doing
01:09:44
all the auditions but actually you're
01:09:45
the one who's going to be um I think
01:09:47
you're the one who should be in the
01:09:48
chair it was literally one of those
01:09:51
phone calls that you just dream about
01:09:53
and I I I never thought I could I could
01:09:56
be that host or I could do it and I'm
01:09:58
going to Scupper these people's
01:10:00
opportunities it was like no no that's
01:10:01
fine I'm going to be a produc I still
01:10:02
got a job in TV it's fantastic I'm in at
01:10:05
Sky this is great this is right at my
01:10:07
alley but I never thought it should be
01:10:08
me I should be the one what did he did
01:10:11
he like the um the chemistry or the
01:10:13
interplay between you guys was it
01:10:14
obvious like immediately or yeah well I
01:10:16
never had to I never had to audition
01:10:18
Mark he was already had his mind made up
01:10:20
on Mark I mean I mean I'm sure like Rick
01:10:24
probably there's variation to his side
01:10:26
of the story of course but he just saw
01:10:28
the way I dealt with these other people
01:10:30
and thought he's a good foil and he'll
01:10:33
be the straight presenter but he can
01:10:34
hold his own if need be I think that's
01:10:37
how he would say it and that's how I
01:10:39
remember it being conveyed to me and I
01:10:41
was like [ __ ] that's awesome what a
01:10:44
dream and then it started and it was
01:10:47
absolutely panned the hated it yeah it
01:10:51
was it was I remember seeing you at a at
01:10:54
a mat's barbecue I think it was at the
01:10:55
of year one and you I was like oh this
01:10:57
Show's really good and you're like no
01:10:58
it's probably going to be cancelled and
01:11:00
here we are like 17 years later it's
01:11:01
still going but yeah yeah how was that
01:11:03
time was it brutal it was it was a it
01:11:05
was a reality check because in in
01:11:08
hindsight they were correct but we were
01:11:09
just trying our best but there was no
01:11:11
regular sport show like ours at a at a
01:11:15
not technically not prime time but a
01:11:17
prime time a Heritage spot at 700 p.m.
01:11:20
like sports fans are like [ __ ] that's
01:11:23
good we'll take that but it wasn't
01:11:26
it wasn't the sports news as you expect
01:11:28
it sports news with a Twist is what we
01:11:31
called it yeah comedic twist it was like
01:11:33
and we weren't trying to be funny but we
01:11:34
were trying to be funny do you know what
01:11:36
I mean it wasn't like seven days it
01:11:37
wasn't like um which is a a legendary
01:11:40
show it was just trying to get our way
01:11:42
through it different from what you've
01:11:44
just seen at 6 p.m. on the sports news
01:11:47
and it [ __ ] a lot of people off which
01:11:49
I'm I'm I'm more than happy with and it
01:11:51
still probably does to this day but
01:11:53
we've we're part of the furniture now on
01:11:55
t TV which is cool yeah 18 years it's
01:11:58
incredible um it's like we were talking
01:12:00
before it was at a came on I guess at at
01:12:02
a time where sport in New Zealand was
01:12:04
very very serious um you had to sort of
01:12:06
have a frown on your forehead about it
01:12:07
and you guys just um Sport's fun and you
01:12:10
guys made it fun yeah exactly and it's
01:12:12
like so like the Sunday star times just
01:12:15
wrapped us and and it was like we didn't
01:12:18
review that well I was like oh well and
01:12:20
I took it to heart because you know but
01:12:23
then the feedback from from people who
01:12:26
would say hey you're the guy from Kos
01:12:27
wild and you go yeah and they' go really
01:12:29
love the show and he' like oh yeah
01:12:31
normal people actually like it not just
01:12:34
some grizzled old sports editor yeah
01:12:37
someone who's writing a column in a
01:12:38
newspaper that's not who it's for yeah
01:12:40
um and what about um you personally like
01:12:42
how long did it take you to sort of find
01:12:44
your voice and feel really comfortable
01:12:46
yeah you know being the Andrew Mulligan
01:12:49
the yeah the Andrew Mulligan um it was
01:12:51
actually the the following year I reckon
01:12:54
and Mark went away for the 2007 World
01:12:58
Cricket World Cup and that was in like
01:13:00
the
01:13:01
Bahamas in the West Indies um so it was
01:13:05
more the West Indies actually not the
01:13:06
Bahamas um but he was away for [ __ ] so
01:13:09
long and that was one of the longest
01:13:10
tournaments they've ever had and it's
01:13:12
never been that long but I had to do the
01:13:14
show obviously and we had a rotating
01:13:16
cast of great people who' come through
01:13:18
like athletes like Simon D who I've
01:13:21
worked with for love um Tony Dalton as
01:13:24
well who rest in peace yeah rest in
01:13:26
peace s Dalton um like great athletes
01:13:30
and I really became it's it's not your
01:13:33
show but you are the one that there
01:13:35
these people are Alig on you to guide
01:13:38
them and direct them and and make them
01:13:40
feel comfortable and not like show them
01:13:42
up or you know they're in a very
01:13:44
vulnerable position CU it's a hard thing
01:13:46
to do a half hour tally and just sit
01:13:47
there and if you're an ex-athlete you've
01:13:50
never done it before it's like so I
01:13:52
really found my voice then which was was
01:13:55
good and when Mark came back I remember
01:13:56
having a conversation with him the the
01:13:58
car park cuz mark it was all on him
01:14:02
previously and I was there as a little
01:14:05
bit of an offsider and then I said look
01:14:07
this is going to work if you and I both
01:14:09
go to this level and have that are they
01:14:12
do they not like each other or do they
01:14:14
like each other are they taking the p a
01:14:16
Ser like we we get to that point it's
01:14:18
like Hudson on Hall type stuff you know
01:14:20
they don't like each other but do they
01:14:22
like each other and if we can carry that
01:14:23
off every night I think we'll be to
01:14:25
winner yeah so that's that's pretty much
01:14:27
how it became you know in its Glory
01:14:30
years of just being some shows were good
01:14:33
some shows were great other shows were
01:14:35
just like flush it down the Dy it was a
01:14:37
it was a great combination though
01:14:39
fantastic combination were you guys he's
01:14:42
he's an unusual guy re were you would
01:14:45
you would you say at any point you were
01:14:47
actual friends yeah I think we were
01:14:50
eventually like we we worked at radio
01:14:51
sport together and we um we weren't
01:14:55
close um I don't know if he's close to
01:14:57
many people though by by Design no he's
01:14:59
not and I and I I mean I love him for it
01:15:02
and I will always say that yes Mark and
01:15:04
I were friends but like uh macka and Rie
01:15:08
they were different people and circles
01:15:11
yeah yeah and it's like they were great
01:15:12
on air together but it's also just to
01:15:15
have a little bit of that doesn't mean
01:15:17
that you're all mates off off the show
01:15:19
and it doesn't matter do you know what I
01:15:21
mean like but he was very different like
01:15:23
he would go surfing by himself and he
01:15:24
would go which was his way of relaxing
01:15:27
he's an active relaxer so he became a
01:15:29
runner and as you know like running's a
01:15:32
very isolating situation we spend
01:15:34
running for [ __ ] 3 hours like he
01:15:37
would he'd be like the guy who ran in
01:15:38
those those those toes shoes oh yeah the
01:15:42
vibr five fingers yeah you know he
01:15:45
became that guy a triathlete like he'd
01:15:48
do all these things I was like far out
01:15:51
we're just different which worked on air
01:15:53
so it was yeah but yeah I mean I Mark
01:15:56
Mark works for
01:15:58
um bar now for bar now yeah so he's left
01:16:01
that media World behind it all came all
01:16:04
came to a very silent stop after Co for
01:16:06
his his projects and stuff which is
01:16:08
really really hard for him to deal with
01:16:10
uh person because I I remember ringing
01:16:12
him and checking in and saying because
01:16:13
it was like today FM shut down the block
01:16:16
got cancelled everything just became you
01:16:19
know the am show after before that was
01:16:21
you know he been re been moved off that
01:16:25
that so it was all very hard for him but
01:16:27
being Mark very resourceful very good
01:16:30
mindset of dealing with failure because
01:16:32
he dealt with failure as a cricketer
01:16:34
because he literally wrote a book called
01:16:36
thinking negatively where he learned to
01:16:38
deal with failure all the time and
01:16:41
turning that into success like he
01:16:42
started out in test Cricket as a bowler
01:16:45
and was [ __ ] and became an opening
01:16:47
batsman like it's one of the great
01:16:49
Transformations yeah I I had um a
01:16:52
podcast last week with Dame Julie
01:16:53
Christie and she talked about him being
01:16:54
the best person that she's ever worked
01:16:55
with like just in terms of his
01:16:57
professionalism and just his um yeah his
01:17:00
his workflow and his work process and
01:17:02
stuff incredible like would manage like
01:17:05
radio sport in the
01:17:06
morning go and do Cricket commentary and
01:17:10
then might have to do some stuff for
01:17:12
crowd at night if he was away like just
01:17:14
had this hectic schedule at times and
01:17:17
yeah I remember being told that on the
01:17:19
Block like there's they have a script
01:17:22
like I was talking to Andy Ellis about
01:17:23
this the other day who now does the
01:17:25
moving houses show on TV1 that's on and
01:17:28
he said the hardest thing is to having
01:17:30
to remember a script verbatim and
01:17:31
deliver it in a way that feels natural
01:17:34
so you've got not just remember the
01:17:35
lines but deliver the and sell the lines
01:17:37
down the barrel and I remember being
01:17:39
told by people who worked on the Block
01:17:41
said yeah Mark was just [ __ ] great he
01:17:44
just wouldn't if around he knew what he
01:17:46
had to do he rehearsed and it was a
01:17:48
learning curve for him I remember him
01:17:49
telling me that if you know initially it
01:17:51
was tough because I didn't realize you
01:17:53
had to do that you couldn't just add
01:17:55
your way through you had to deliver
01:17:57
these lines and eventually he became
01:17:58
because he's very dedicated he became
01:18:00
really good at it so yeah he was um yeah
01:18:03
he's a he's a lost to broadcasting I
01:18:05
really think he should be back in
01:18:06
broadcasting but I don't think there's
01:18:08
an Avenue at the moment for him well
01:18:09
he's doing bits and pieces they have
01:18:10
Cricket stuff yeah exactly so he's got
01:18:12
his toe in the water and that is his
01:18:14
that's his passion he loves Cricket
01:18:16
commentry like for if there was anything
01:18:18
that he'd want to do the most there'll
01:18:19
be paydays that'll be greater than
01:18:21
Cricket commentary but as passion is
01:18:22
doing Cricket commentary so the the both
01:18:25
end of the day thing which um holes has
01:18:27
done H um homes who else hosing Tony
01:18:31
straight it's like an elite Jeremy Wells
01:18:34
oh Jeremy Wells of course yeah radio
01:18:35
hardi and it's an elite group of like
01:18:38
broadcasters that have done that you
01:18:40
you've done that for many years yeah
01:18:42
it's I did that there was a stint there
01:18:45
when I was doing five nights a week and
01:18:47
five nights of radio which they've done
01:18:50
and it's incredible to think that you
01:18:54
can do it
01:18:55
for as long as you can you can't have a
01:18:57
lifestyle away from broadcasting that is
01:19:00
a party lifestyle cuz it'll just catch
01:19:03
up on you and it just it's it's it just
01:19:05
like you constantly jet lag when you do
01:19:07
breakfast radio right so to be able to
01:19:10
manage your day and then Peak it at the
01:19:12
other end of the day orbe it for half an
01:19:14
hour was actually quite a good stress
01:19:17
relief I really embraced it I really
01:19:19
enjoyed it I really I really enjoyed the
01:19:22
fact that I could do both and
01:19:25
made sure that I was eventually worked
01:19:27
out that you need to do exercise and you
01:19:30
just can't rely on coffees and caffeine
01:19:33
and herbal supplements or whatever it is
01:19:35
like gr or ginsing like you really have
01:19:37
to have the the consumate lifestyle to
01:19:39
be able to do that but I tapered that
01:19:41
back when we had kooper in 2013 cuz I
01:19:45
was just wasn't seeing him I wouldn't
01:19:46
see him in the morning and I wouldn't
01:19:48
really see him at night because he was a
01:19:49
baby and then so I just said look I'm
01:19:51
not going to I'm going to and I knew
01:19:52
that the Friday night show was the one
01:19:55
show where I didn't feel like I had to
01:19:56
be on and I think it was important for
01:19:58
people like Haley Holt and stuff to be
01:19:59
able to do
01:20:00
it um and have an opportunity because
01:20:04
I've been greedy and hogging it for like
01:20:05
at least 10 years so yeah so I Ste back
01:20:08
a little bit and I remember sainsbury
01:20:10
steep back a little bit from doing
01:20:12
closeup and so I thought if I can
01:20:15
negotiate that with Rick and he was
01:20:16
really good about it and it was probably
01:20:18
the best thing that I did and then I
01:20:21
just stayed at four nights for a long
01:20:22
time until Co hit and we had to reduce
01:20:25
The Showdown and now it's only two
01:20:27
nights Mondays and Thursdays but I feel
01:20:29
like we're at a point now where we
01:20:31
should be back to four nights I don't
01:20:32
think we need to do a Friday show
01:20:33
anymore like Super Rugby kickoff times
01:20:35
earlier at 700 and I mean people aren't
01:20:38
watching TV when they are any more like
01:20:41
they were back in the day but that
01:20:42
there's still there's still people
01:20:44
watching TV and I think unfortunately
01:20:46
you know rest in peace the project this
01:20:48
is still an opportunity there to do 700
01:20:49
p.m. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
01:20:52
certainly not going to take any numbers
01:20:53
off seven sharp but I think people will
01:20:55
view will will take to it and I think
01:20:57
commercially it's an opportunity as well
01:21:00
what what do you feel how do you feel
01:21:01
about the future of um the media
01:21:02
landscape I was having a conversation
01:21:04
yesterday um name drop again my friend
01:21:07
Melissa Stokes who is a great news
01:21:09
reader a great journalist um and she
01:21:12
works at tvnz and you'll see her pop up
01:21:14
on the weekends she's she's amazing
01:21:17
she's such a just such a great friend
01:21:19
and great sounding board for TV she's
01:21:21
very pragmatic about where TV is going
01:21:24
and we see it like she she feels and I'm
01:21:27
I'm in agreeance with her she feels it's
01:21:29
a little bit overblowing I think there's
01:21:31
a lot of headwinds obviously but I think
01:21:33
that's also a state of New Zealand
01:21:35
business and commercially and with
01:21:37
budgets they're just sure audiences are
01:21:39
leaving tvnz has really done a great job
01:21:43
of honing their digital strategy and
01:21:45
unfortunately that's come at a cost of a
01:21:46
lot of people's jobs so I just certainly
01:21:49
don't want to diminish that because
01:21:50
that's really tough um but I don't think
01:21:53
I think Linea t will always be there I
01:21:56
think there will always be streamers but
01:21:58
I just I think the New Zealand audience
01:22:01
will always rely on turning on the TV
01:22:03
turning on their Sky Box and it being
01:22:05
there all the time I think there is
01:22:08
diffusion of innovation with tablets and
01:22:11
phones and how you digest stuff and you
01:22:12
look at I show speed this week you know
01:22:15
33,000 people around the world watching
01:22:17
them just a million 33 million 33
01:22:19
million subscribers on YouTube but 1% of
01:22:22
it were active streamers right okay so I
01:22:24
could see that number there and I was
01:22:26
like 33,000 that's a nice show for Crowd
01:22:28
Goes Wild but he's streaming for hours
01:22:31
like he'll like there'll be there'll be
01:22:33
iow speed and another one like him in
01:22:35
five years time doing something
01:22:37
different he not won't necessarily be
01:22:39
iow speed maybe in 5 years he'll be
01:22:42
doing something different cuz that's how
01:22:44
the algorithm works and he will he will
01:22:47
be a factor but people still watch
01:22:50
premium TV people still want to watch
01:22:52
HBO Max and while people still want
01:22:54
their information delivered in a in
01:22:56
certain ways and like you can watch it
01:22:58
on your you can Doom scroll eventually
01:23:00
just feel a little bit Dum for Doom
01:23:02
scrolling 100% cuz I Doom scroll and I I
01:23:05
just actually feel really dumb right now
01:23:08
yeah so I do think there's a future for
01:23:10
TV and New Zealand I I think the big
01:23:12
budget stuff will come back I think when
01:23:15
production houses and funding becomes
01:23:17
more aligned and certainly with news
01:23:19
there's a big debate going on about the
01:23:22
the PE companies like alphabet Google
01:23:25
meta paying for news that's not a
01:23:27
conversation there I'm not really across
01:23:29
but I think there will be big budget
01:23:31
shows we'll come back like they will
01:23:33
they'll make the block again eventually
01:23:35
Like Dancing with the Stars will
01:23:36
eventually come back because and
01:23:38
celebrity Treasure Island that's coming
01:23:39
back because I imagine they got really
01:23:41
great
01:23:41
numbers yeah if the product's right then
01:23:44
um it works yeah I I agree I think maybe
01:23:48
they won't be the numbers that they were
01:23:49
like 10 20 25 years ago like Julie
01:23:51
Christie talked about some documentary
01:23:53
she did back in the day like thing with
01:23:54
Rachel Hunter that had like half the
01:23:56
country watching or something that's not
01:23:58
going to happen but there still a place
01:24:00
for it I mean she'll have a very a much
01:24:02
better Viewpoint of it than than
01:24:04
obviously I will but yeah she thinks
01:24:06
it'll come back yeah although you're in
01:24:08
the you're in the trenches like you're
01:24:09
the like you're the shop window of all
01:24:10
these all these things rather than in
01:24:12
the back room what's your um what's your
01:24:14
One True Media love like if you had to
01:24:15
like just choose one oh yeah I mean
01:24:18
that's such a good question because I
01:24:20
don't that's a [ __ ] question that a [ __ ]
01:24:22
question cuz if I say one the other the
01:24:24
other ones will feel get jealous they'll
01:24:26
get jealous I mean I love love them all
01:24:28
equally they like you kids I know I mean
01:24:31
I really enjoy basketball commentary
01:24:33
with Casey Frank like I've been doing it
01:24:35
for 15 years now and skyon had do the
01:24:39
breakers commentary this season
01:24:41
hopefully it'll come back in the future
01:24:42
but it's an ESPN deal they bought the
01:24:44
rights and it sits on sky on the ESPN
01:24:47
channel so I understand that that part
01:24:50
of the business but I really enjoy doing
01:24:52
I still do the men's league and not so
01:24:55
much this season but I will next season
01:24:57
do the women's league to basketball and
01:25:00
I really enjoy just calling basketball
01:25:01
games it's so fun you don't know what is
01:25:04
happening um it's just two hours of
01:25:07
almost two hours of AD liing and it's
01:25:09
great and I really enjoy commentary it's
01:25:11
fun I love what I do with the morning
01:25:12
Rumble and it's got three great friends
01:25:16
and when you know when you've got
01:25:18
friends on the show it's some days it's
01:25:20
just like this is just so much fun you
01:25:23
know it's a lot of fun and crowd is just
01:25:26
like I'm so proud of it I'm so
01:25:28
protective of it it's been such a a
01:25:30
great ride and it's so resilient it's
01:25:32
been through trying to think it's been
01:25:35
through like five or six time slot
01:25:37
changes over its lifetime and every time
01:25:41
that some people would come in and go oh
01:25:43
it's going to have to go to 6:30 oh it
01:25:45
be late night crowd you could swear more
01:25:47
like no one cares if you're swearing or
01:25:49
not you know it's going to 10: p.m. it's
01:25:50
going to 9:30 it's going to go it's
01:25:52
going to come back to 700 it's going to
01:25:54
be um this that and it's just always
01:25:56
come back to 7 p.m. because that's where
01:25:58
it started and that's where it always
01:26:00
should be so yeah I can't choose Don
01:26:03
yeah um there was a mean question um no
01:26:06
but it's a good question it has to be
01:26:07
asked yeah the the breakfast show stuff
01:26:09
is incredible and it's been such a
01:26:10
consistent lineup on the rock for so
01:26:12
many years now and you just get to know
01:26:14
you just get to know you know what Lanes
01:26:16
people are going to take and what what
01:26:17
jokes they're going to make yeah um it's
01:26:20
a very yeah it's very easy if you have
01:26:21
it on in the background like R plays his
01:26:23
part well if if you're if you're
01:26:26
listening passively like you're having a
01:26:27
conversation with someone that's on in
01:26:28
the background you feel like you're
01:26:29
missing out on something yeah and that's
01:26:31
great because that's what you need to
01:26:33
have in radio you want to be able to
01:26:35
have that like if you're at at the pub
01:26:37
and there's a barer and there's four
01:26:39
people having fun you want to like be a
01:26:41
part of that cuz it sounds like they're
01:26:42
great people but also you want to be
01:26:45
open enough for them if that person
01:26:47
comes up to your barer you go come in
01:26:49
mate yeah you know we're we're just
01:26:51
talking about this what do you think you
01:26:53
know be open yeah and so I think that's
01:26:55
the key to radio is just being
01:26:58
accessible and approachable and being
01:27:00
relevant and making sure that you're
01:27:02
talking about the right stuff at the
01:27:04
right time yeah and and your your show
01:27:07
um even though it's a male like a male
01:27:09
skewed audience um I feel like it's a
01:27:11
show with a big heart like you do a lot
01:27:13
of Charity stuff and you do a lot of
01:27:14
good stuff um but how's how's the whole
01:27:16
like woke culture cancel culture being
01:27:19
for you guys I feel like you guys have a
01:27:20
torch on you um undeservedly so yeah we
01:27:23
do we do we have a and I think that
01:27:25
comes from a place
01:27:27
where way back in the day when I say
01:27:30
back in the day like the 2000s when The
01:27:32
Rock was really at its peak and there
01:27:35
was Nick and Rod and it was just like
01:27:37
people were like this is confronting
01:27:40
some of the chat that would happen then
01:27:42
it was just this un now an unfair
01:27:45
stereotype of Bogen humor which we're
01:27:49
not we're doing F jokes like I said
01:27:51
earlier we're doing you know top five by
01:27:53
the way the segment of I referenced ear
01:27:54
it was the top five fat things from Tik
01:27:57
Tok or something and it ended with um
01:27:58
like a New Zealander that sent you like
01:28:00
a voice note of a 34 second F exactly
01:28:03
and we played it but you can do that and
01:28:09
then we we for we'll forget that bit and
01:28:14
then look at the fart jokes and it's
01:28:17
look if it's not your cup of tea it's
01:28:18
not your cup of tea but we're not doing
01:28:20
anything malicious and if we stray a
01:28:22
little bit we'll get our hand slapped
01:28:24
and we will get told off but we very
01:28:26
rarely do it if at all it's just like
01:28:29
perception is reality unfortunately for
01:28:31
a lot of people and sometimes it's true
01:28:34
but in our case it's not like we're we
01:28:37
do have a spotlight on us and we're very
01:28:39
aware of that as well and is it fair
01:28:41
it's not for us to say you know we just
01:28:43
do a consistent job and thankfully the
01:28:45
numbers back it up the listeners say
01:28:48
that we're their favorite station at
01:28:49
times which is really cool oh yeah your
01:28:52
ratings are like rock solid yeah I know
01:28:55
really yeah but it must piss you guys
01:28:56
off like you must see things on
01:28:57
Instagram and go well how can Hy do that
01:28:59
and we can't even do yeah there is there
01:29:01
are times when they're doing seems like
01:29:03
an jokes like I was like oh well but
01:29:06
yeah maybe it's um yeah like a victim of
01:29:08
your own success like when your ratings
01:29:09
are are really good and you're doing the
01:29:11
stuff you know there's more of a
01:29:12
spotlight on you anyway it's a it's a
01:29:14
bloody great show and some of the stuff
01:29:16
you do you should be like really proud
01:29:17
of yeah thank you coming from you that's
01:29:19
really appreciate that that's really
01:29:21
good hey I've got some um how you going
01:29:23
for time yeah good I'm good I got some
01:29:25
questions from Instagram yeah something
01:29:27
that just occurred to me so um we
01:29:30
started this chat at uh 10:30 on a
01:29:32
Wednesday morning so you you'd done a
01:29:34
breakfast radio show prior for this um
01:29:38
yeah sometimes after a breakfast radio
01:29:39
show like sometimes I'd be fine but
01:29:40
other days I'd feel like you I'd rent a
01:29:42
marathon or something you know it can be
01:29:44
quite exhausting but then Dom you'd go
01:29:46
and run a
01:29:47
marathon no but how how are you feeling
01:29:49
now like to go from um yeah the
01:29:51
breakfast radio show to to changing the
01:29:54
pace a bit and you know doing a check
01:29:55
like this like quite a deep chck for a
01:29:57
couple of hours yeah no it's been it's
01:29:58
it's good I've really enjoyed it you
01:30:00
don't I mean you don't talk about
01:30:01
yourself a whole lot anyway and like you
01:30:03
said I've only ever done one other with
01:30:05
this is um uh with Tim provise who's a
01:30:08
really really cool guy I really like
01:30:09
what he's done um but I don't mind it I
01:30:12
really yeah I mean I don't like talking
01:30:15
about myself all the time but if we if
01:30:17
we're doing a deep dive I've never
01:30:18
really done it before except that one
01:30:20
other time so this is fine this is good
01:30:22
yeah it's nice to reflect on some some
01:30:24
of the stuff you've done I think and the
01:30:25
pathway to get there cuz it's um you
01:30:27
know it wasn't all um you know I I I
01:30:31
don't know like a you know a perfect
01:30:32
running order sort of thing like it was
01:30:34
that that DP and there was that time
01:30:35
where you must have thought what the
01:30:36
[ __ ] am I doing with my life yeah
01:30:38
especially at the end of radio sport
01:30:39
there when after Mark left and he went
01:30:41
to the sound and he he' been at radio
01:30:44
sport a while and it had worn him down
01:30:46
and he was just over it and by that at
01:30:48
that time we were doing the show
01:30:49
together at night as well and it was
01:30:52
just it just you Sports opinions we're
01:30:55
trying to have fun and then you just
01:30:57
quickly worked out that the audience was
01:30:59
always going to be there and they were
01:31:01
just the ones who didn't want it you
01:31:03
have that much fun so that was really
01:31:05
taxing like that so it certainly was not
01:31:08
a great ride over those years between
01:31:11
radio sport and then coming back to the
01:31:13
Rock which was so it was such a relief
01:31:16
to go back to the rock it really was I
01:31:18
really enjoyed um coming back and then
01:31:21
just building on what um we done
01:31:24
previously before I'd left because by
01:31:26
when I left I was like the fourth voice
01:31:29
and then there's R Bryson Leah and it
01:31:32
was
01:31:33
just a a situation where I was like
01:31:36
these guys are great I'm I'm finding my
01:31:38
feet breckfast radio is quite hard to to
01:31:41
manufacture something consistently as
01:31:43
you know as a product every day but then
01:31:45
I've got this opportunity to do
01:31:46
something with somebody who I already
01:31:47
have a relationship with that is going
01:31:49
to be the brand that I'm already
01:31:51
familiar with and people are familiar
01:31:53
with as well and then I can do that as
01:31:56
um with have more of a prominent role
01:31:59
and it it worked for a time and then
01:32:01
they shifted the goal post about three
01:32:02
times by the time I got there within six
01:32:04
months it was just we're doing this
01:32:06
we're taking this frequency from you
01:32:08
you're playing music now on radio sport
01:32:10
and breakfast time I like what the [ __ ]
01:32:12
it's stressful eh it's like knee-jerk
01:32:14
reaction stuff like they Panic it's um
01:32:16
you I've been in situations where um the
01:32:19
when when the ratings are really really
01:32:20
good you can do anything and they leave
01:32:22
you alone they don't touch it but when
01:32:24
the ratings are bad that's when everyone
01:32:26
has some input yeah so the the the CEO
01:32:29
will come in and say oh I was talking to
01:32:30
my nieces over the weekend and they
01:32:32
reckon you suck because of this yeah and
01:32:34
then suddenly you have to change
01:32:35
everything when ratings are good it's
01:32:37
sweet ear oh exactly I mean how many
01:32:39
people have had their careers decided by
01:32:42
the CEO's
01:32:45
partner so many I've had I've had
01:32:48
different conversations with different
01:32:50
people who are not not CEOs but that's
01:32:53
like programming people or this sales
01:32:56
and then just like oh look I was at the
01:32:58
barbecue and Steve says that crowds just
01:33:02
it just hasn't really done up for him
01:33:04
and I was like you can you know I like
01:33:06
saying you know what you can tell Steve
01:33:08
to get [ __ ] yeah it's like I'm I'm
01:33:11
cheer exp what are you doing what are
01:33:12
you doing listening to Steve like oh you
01:33:14
know but I'm getting getting the gauge
01:33:16
getting the vibe I was like we're making
01:33:18
your own decision yeah yeah Steve says
01:33:20
you're not doing enough eyes hockey and
01:33:21
that's that's going to be the fixer yeah
01:33:23
un
01:33:24
um oh one thing that I I wanted to talk
01:33:27
about I couldn't even find it online um
01:33:29
the the jaggernaut thing uh where you
01:33:31
were oh yeah yeah I thought this would
01:33:33
have been your most viral moment it's
01:33:34
not on Tik Tok it's not on YouTube it's
01:33:36
not on Instagram no it's not I think sky
01:33:39
and Super Rugby took it down to be
01:33:41
honest and that must be yeah that would
01:33:43
have to be the reason why you can't find
01:33:45
it that was that was hilarious because
01:33:48
that was that was the peak of stuff and
01:33:52
especially the Herald having this really
01:33:55
acrimonious relationship with sky and
01:33:58
anything that Sky did it was written
01:34:01
about in a negative light because they
01:34:03
were at a point where they weren't
01:34:05
allowed to run as much video of sports
01:34:08
highlights as they wanted to cuz you
01:34:11
know fair enough Skype PID a lot of
01:34:13
money like there was one point I
01:34:15
remember stuff had a 15minute Breakers
01:34:17
highlight package on their page it's
01:34:20
like that is not fair usage you cannot
01:34:23
have 15 minute someone screen grabbed
01:34:25
someone screen recorded this and just
01:34:26
uploaded it to the stuff website and so
01:34:29
there was this real butting of heads and
01:34:32
then for me to have this this viral
01:34:34
moment where my
01:34:36
earpiece basically had this what they
01:34:39
call audio latency where it's this micr
01:34:41
second like the Split Second my
01:34:44
microphone was unfortunately plugged
01:34:46
into the back of the steady cam when it
01:34:49
should have been uh a a uh wireless mic
01:34:53
which is fit into another unit and has
01:34:55
nothing to do with the fact that's it's
01:34:57
going into the camera because that
01:34:59
creates this cycle where it's just
01:35:01
repeating so it's going in a circle and
01:35:03
it's going to the truck but it's coming
01:35:05
back and it's and so I had this one
01:35:08
moment where it's the halftime interview
01:35:11
the players's walking off uh and I ask
01:35:16
the question and I'm like [ __ ] I can
01:35:20
hear myself is everyone else hearing
01:35:22
this but you have to get the question
01:35:23
now so this part of the brain is going
01:35:25
[ __ ] what the what the hell's that and
01:35:27
the other part of the brain is asking
01:35:28
the question and I asked the question
01:35:30
and Dom it was a [ __ ] good question
01:35:33
cuz the the stormers were getting pumped
01:35:35
by the Crusaders like 30 something3 or
01:35:37
30 something6 and I was like how do you
01:35:40
stop a juggernaut like the
01:35:41
Crusaders and the storm's Captain Robbie
01:35:44
he's he goes um who cuz I'd slur I'd
01:35:48
slurred
01:35:50
everything and then I go like the say
01:35:54
how and I'm like slurring and like oh my
01:35:56
God I'm like can I am I the only one
01:35:59
hearing this and at the end of the clip
01:36:01
because you can't find it anymore in the
01:36:03
clip you see me looking off camera and
01:36:05
I've got this look in my face like what
01:36:08
I'm looking at the sound person like
01:36:10
what was that did you hear that like and
01:36:12
what it turned out is yeah there was a
01:36:14
dead spot at the stadium where the
01:36:17
wildest mics don't work yet Sky have to
01:36:20
broadcast from there cuz it's it's
01:36:21
closest end to the trucks and and they
01:36:24
decided the wildest M wasn't working
01:36:27
just before halftime plugged it into the
01:36:29
back of the camera but anyway afterwards
01:36:32
my Twitter mentions blew up so I
01:36:35
addressed it and I said someone asked me
01:36:38
what was that have you been drinking and
01:36:39
I just went I'm drunk AF clearly I'm not
01:36:43
and then so the herald decided to run
01:36:45
with my must have gone why yeah
01:36:47
something's gone viral here we go to his
01:36:49
Twitter and then looked at my Twitter
01:36:52
and I said I'm drunk AF as a rep not as
01:36:54
a statement and then taking that as
01:36:57
literally this is what he's he is drunk
01:37:00
on air and put that up as a story and
01:37:03
said I was drunk on air [ __ ] that shoty
01:37:06
journalism that's so [ __ ] and then they
01:37:08
corrected it terrible and it went viral
01:37:10
and it like it was like this 2448 hour
01:37:13
period of just I ended up making jokes
01:37:16
about myself on air on Twitter and and
01:37:19
Instagram and there was egg on the face
01:37:22
of the herald and stuff because it was
01:37:23
it was an audio latency and people still
01:37:25
to the stage though believe that I was
01:37:27
drunk when I do the Juggernaut thing did
01:37:30
that um did it make you guny after that
01:37:32
like to to make to make jokes or do you
01:37:34
question what you no it didn't because
01:37:36
it made me it made me May really made me
01:37:40
annoyed but I realized that everything
01:37:42
you do is under a microscope and it you
01:37:44
so you have to be super prepared I
01:37:47
remember uh remember having to think
01:37:52
what would I do in the next time and of
01:37:53
course because one part of my brain is
01:37:55
connecting the fact that I sound
01:37:57
different but the other one's asking the
01:37:58
questions if I was just down the barrel
01:38:01
talking I would have ripped my earpiece
01:38:03
out and just kept going like that but
01:38:06
because I was doing an
01:38:08
interview I was also trying to deal with
01:38:11
the situation I should have just taken
01:38:12
my earpiece out but I couldn't do three
01:38:14
things at once trying to work out what's
01:38:15
happening I see question RI but just
01:38:17
take the earpiece out next time and I
01:38:19
have done it you've given it a lot of
01:38:20
thought it's a shame it's not around cuz
01:38:22
it's a great moment it is a great moment
01:38:23
yeah part we play it on the radio all
01:38:25
the time yeah they pay me out about it
01:38:27
all the time yeah um I got some
01:38:29
Instagram questions here um what has
01:38:31
been your most exhilarating moment as a
01:38:34
commentator is there one it is it would
01:38:37
be it would be the breakers winning the
01:38:40
championship in 2015 and aen a hits this
01:38:45
fallway jump shot and to win the game
01:38:48
and I said pandemonium absolute Saints
01:38:50
and that's that's probably the most
01:38:52
exhilarating thing where I got to call a
01:38:54
championship um and very rarely do
01:38:56
commentators get these moments where not
01:38:59
only do they get to call a championship
01:39:00
but they get to call a moment that
01:39:01
defines a championship and that was like
01:39:05
that was just like holy [ __ ] that's
01:39:06
amazing I had nothing prepared for a
01:39:08
moment like that I just because if you
01:39:11
do you end up sounding like Keith Quinn
01:39:12
going oh oh which in itself is Iconic
01:39:15
because he was fumbling for his notes
01:39:17
about what would happen if Jonah scored
01:39:19
I've got a line and it was something
01:39:21
along the lines of all muscle and pump
01:39:23
but he didn't get the line cuz he
01:39:25
dropped the card and he was going oh oh
01:39:27
and that's how he that's what happened
01:39:29
to him and you hear in the aftermath of
01:39:31
the replay he gets the line out he says
01:39:34
yeah Jonah all muscle and pump but
01:39:36
anyway my it's iconic though icon
01:39:39
exactly yeah um if you could cover any
01:39:41
sporting event or team in the world what
01:39:43
would it be and why oh any sporting team
01:39:45
in the world it would have to be uh my
01:39:49
favorite sporting team is the Golden
01:39:51
State Warriors uh they are um with Steph
01:39:54
Curry especially so um I got to cover
01:39:56
Team USA at the Paris Olympics and that
01:39:59
would be pretty close to what that that
01:40:00
answer should be actually because they
01:40:02
were up against in the semi-final
01:40:04
against Serbia and the final against
01:40:05
France and they needed Steph carry to
01:40:07
rescue them basically um and to be able
01:40:10
to be there at that moment and and be
01:40:12
part of that as for work for sky is yeah
01:40:15
amazing what's your take on the future
01:40:18
of sports media and how fans consume
01:40:20
content so fans consume I've started a
01:40:24
substack cuz I just felt like I've had a
01:40:26
lot of stuff in my head that I want to
01:40:29
get out and even though I've got Avenues
01:40:31
where I'm fortunate enough to be able to
01:40:32
get it out I just needed to write some
01:40:35
stuff down and just give a little bit of
01:40:37
personality to what I think about Sport
01:40:39
and so I just started a substack um I
01:40:42
write semi-regularly and then I started
01:40:44
a podcast on it as well just talking
01:40:46
basketball with Casey Frank because we
01:40:48
really enjoyed talking basketball as you
01:40:49
know the podcast world is highly
01:40:51
competitive and really hard to um
01:40:54
manufacture an income from and for
01:40:56
people like you Dom who've done it is
01:40:57
fantastic but we just like shooting the
01:41:00
[ __ ] so I just do that on my substack
01:41:02
and that's where I think a lot of people
01:41:04
have headed a lot of people are leaving
01:41:06
X forly Twitter now because it's just a
01:41:09
piece of [ __ ] and it's got It's so
01:41:11
negative it's so it's so negative but
01:41:13
then Freds and blue sky will also be
01:41:16
like that as well which is unfortunate
01:41:18
but it's just a cycle Facebook's been
01:41:20
like that for a while I think people
01:41:22
just have have so many opportunities to
01:41:25
look at different ways of consuming
01:41:28
sport it's almost overwhelming for some
01:41:30
people and that's why I think crowd
01:41:31
still
01:41:33
works for aspiring broadcasters or
01:41:35
sports commentators what's the most
01:41:37
valuable piece of advice you'd give
01:41:39
listen to yourself back watch yourself
01:41:42
pay
01:41:43
attention uh take advice from people you
01:41:47
trust
01:41:48
and get constructive criticism and learn
01:41:52
from it and that's I've had to learn it
01:41:54
the hard way and I certainly didn't
01:41:56
listen to myself back or um watch myself
01:41:59
all the time but I felt like I would be
01:42:03
much better off now if I did do it but
01:42:06
also I wouldn't be where I am now if I
01:42:08
didn't um if I hadn't if I had done it I
01:42:10
might not be where I am now I might have
01:42:12
taken it too literal um so yeah if you
01:42:15
can self-analyze but don't dwell don't
01:42:18
don't dwell on a mistake don't get down
01:42:20
about something that you did just move
01:42:22
on were you good at asking for help or
01:42:25
like who were you ment TOS um you
01:42:27
mentioned before about the John McDonald
01:42:28
story about you like Ping him um but
01:42:30
when you got the job like we did you ask
01:42:32
Rick Cito for like advice or feedback or
01:42:35
yeah Rick was really good at at at
01:42:37
letting Mark and I be Mark and I but
01:42:39
also giving us feedback because he's
01:42:41
he's worked with some of the greats and
01:42:43
he is one of the greats of of sports
01:42:45
production in New Zealand like he's got
01:42:46
great ideas he said two successful shows
01:42:49
like in Sports Cafe and crowd as well as
01:42:52
heaps of other
01:42:53
projects um but mentors it was like I
01:42:58
just looked up to people and I studied
01:43:00
the way they did things it wasn't so
01:43:01
much I bugged people I didn't like
01:43:04
Nathan Ry I really enjoy his style like
01:43:07
from IC TV and through the sports uh the
01:43:09
way that he and Oscar delivered um
01:43:12
Sports art and the um Super Rugby shows
01:43:15
that they did as well I really enjoyed
01:43:17
how they like Jeremy Wells um his sense
01:43:21
of humor and his delivery um I watched a
01:43:24
lot of sports center when I was a kid
01:43:25
growing up and wanted like seeing how
01:43:28
they delivered their highlights and what
01:43:30
they said and just little bits and
01:43:32
pieces like that so there wasn't really
01:43:34
any mentors per se Tony Johnson's been
01:43:36
really good lately he's reached out
01:43:38
about Rugby Commentary and said if
01:43:39
there's anything I can help with just
01:43:40
let me know let's meet up this is true
01:43:42
the fat which is really cool and I think
01:43:45
Sky's gotten better lately I've created
01:43:48
an environment where when all we're all
01:43:51
in the same boat Let's help each other
01:43:52
as as well which is cool yeah Tony
01:43:55
Johnson's great he like I've met him on
01:43:57
the podcast and he's retirement age and
01:43:59
he's still really driven I've got NBO
01:44:01
coming next week for one and he's in his
01:44:03
70s selito he's he's been in here a few
01:44:06
times and just the way that he's adapted
01:44:08
to YouTube and can see the growth of you
01:44:11
know YouTube and sort of micro audiences
01:44:13
in the future like the I I find all
01:44:16
these guys super inspiring like their
01:44:18
age and that they're still that driven
01:44:19
it's really cool yeah Rood R's missing
01:44:22
around not missing but he was doing
01:44:23
shows on Facebook live while he was
01:44:25
doing crowd like he really saw the the
01:44:27
the power of Their audience where you go
01:44:30
live and then hopefully like I show
01:44:32
speed you get 33 million subscribers
01:44:35
what the [ __ ] but also I don't know if I
01:44:37
want to do 6 hours of content every day
01:44:39
like that just to get um the algorithm
01:44:42
serving you so I mean obviously he's a
01:44:44
millionaire he's done so well I show
01:44:46
speed probably Rickers as well to be
01:44:47
honest um but yeah it's like big returns
01:44:52
you know big Investments too I I show
01:44:55
speed I watched a couple of hours of
01:44:56
that the other day I found it strangely
01:44:58
captivating just watching him in a car
01:45:00
and talking about whether they're going
01:45:01
to go and crash some school on the North
01:45:04
Shore we we we inadvertently annoyed iow
01:45:07
speed fans on Monday talking about iow
01:45:10
speed like we they said you disrespected
01:45:13
him and it's like you like he's here
01:45:17
illegally working on a Visa he's on a
01:45:19
holiday Visa and he's stilling his dve
01:45:21
like that's a great story at the moment
01:45:22
the will be upset that this this YouTube
01:45:25
star is here but you know that's I mean
01:45:27
it's great that that I show speed
01:45:29
viewers are also watching Linea
01:45:32
TV yeah probably not any longer now now
01:45:34
we now we said that he's um he he is a a
01:45:38
YouTube YouTube streamer yeah the the um
01:45:41
I sped highlight for me was probably Dan
01:45:42
hooker giving him a really [ __ ] good
01:45:44
hiding don't [ __ ] with Dan hooker man
01:45:46
out of all of them Dan hooker is the one
01:45:48
you don't want to fight he looks so
01:45:49
happy when he's punching people Dan
01:45:51
hooker is built different he's amazing I
01:45:53
love Dan hooker what's the weirdest
01:45:55
piece of listener feedback you've ever
01:45:57
received is there anything that Springs
01:45:58
to
01:45:59
mind weirdest piece you do you you do
01:46:02
develop um quite a thick skin a and
01:46:04
become immune to it yeah you you do H
01:46:07
just nothing weird just when I started
01:46:09
at the Rock just you got these messages
01:46:12
on Facebook from these listeners who
01:46:14
just just broke down why you were just
01:46:16
[ __ ] or what you look like or how you
01:46:18
didn't fit and and you go oh my God
01:46:21
that's so that's so damning it's so raw
01:46:25
like where are you in your life that you
01:46:26
have to feel compelled to and I get it
01:46:28
because you've come onto their radio
01:46:30
station and you and I'm not the person
01:46:32
you would have expected to fill that
01:46:34
role so I get it but not weird stuff
01:46:38
yeah I'd have to have a think about that
01:46:40
yeah that's that's um but that's that's
01:46:43
so brutal I suppose it's like you were
01:46:44
talking at the beginning of this chat
01:46:46
about in New Zealand and how like it's
01:46:48
you it's a national carrier so people
01:46:49
have a sense of ownership maybe it's the
01:46:51
same with the rock as well it is so
01:46:53
invested in the brand which I respect
01:46:55
then that's that's great like we would
01:46:57
get I remember one better feedback we
01:46:59
got with Mark and I and crowd and this
01:47:02
guy wrote a letter and he wrote this
01:47:04
really well-worded well-crafted letter
01:47:08
and he used the word to describe me as
01:47:10
supercilious and he was bang on I was
01:47:12
definitely supercilious what do that
01:47:14
mean it means sarcastic cuz I had to
01:47:15
look it up I had to I had to look up
01:47:18
what but it was wasn't an email or
01:47:20
letter no it was a letter he wrote a
01:47:22
letter he typed it up and then he didn't
01:47:25
put a return address on or anything that
01:47:27
was an email actually but he used his
01:47:29
work email and on his work email he had
01:47:32
his email footer and it had his direct
01:47:34
dial so I rang him I rang him on his
01:47:37
direct dial and he answered and I I just
01:47:39
said get day it's Andrew Mulligan here
01:47:41
from the crowd guys wild how are you
01:47:43
yeah I'm good thank you and I was like
01:47:46
some sort of joke what is he ringing me
01:47:48
here and I said I just want to talk to
01:47:50
you if you got a moment I just want to
01:47:51
talk to you about the letter the email
01:47:53
you sent me and Mark about our show it
01:47:56
was like oh W well yeah okay what well
01:47:59
what part of it and he got a little bit
01:48:00
defensive and I just read it out like
01:48:02
what part of what part of this don't you
01:48:05
don't you understand about our show like
01:48:06
this is we're pest we get it you might
01:48:08
think I'm this XYZ and he goes how did
01:48:12
you get how did you get my direct dial I
01:48:14
said you sent it from your work email
01:48:16
and I see you've got a master's degree
01:48:18
because it's after your name on your
01:48:19
email footer how dumb are you you've got
01:48:23
a master's degree did you not think I'd
01:48:25
ring you yeah I really enjoyed that well
01:48:28
that's good did he apologize in the end
01:48:30
no no I basically hung up on them yeah
01:48:33
yeah [ __ ] did you have the shakes
01:48:35
afterwards after oh yeah it was
01:48:37
exhilarating it was so good it was so
01:48:40
and people in the office in the crowd
01:48:42
office were like he's ringing them and
01:48:44
they're like getting closer and close
01:48:45
listening to the conversation that's
01:48:47
brilliant yeah um what Legacy do you
01:48:50
hope to leave in the world of
01:48:51
broadcasting
01:48:54
um I yeah I don't know maybe just that
01:48:57
he had a he had fun and that there are
01:49:00
people who watched who wanted to do and
01:49:03
be like the career that I've had yeah I
01:49:06
don't think i' really need to feel like
01:49:08
I have to leave a legacy per se I don't
01:49:11
think I've ever got into it to leave a
01:49:12
legacy but I'm I'm really proud of the
01:49:15
body of work that I've had so far um and
01:49:17
so if I've inspired anyone and there's
01:49:20
been people have reached out whove you
01:49:22
know not not many at all to be honest
01:49:24
but they when they do it's like oh good
01:49:26
on you because I never would have done
01:49:27
that and for you to take the time and um
01:49:29
to reach out and say kind things and ask
01:49:32
questions then I'm more than happy to
01:49:33
return the favor because good on you
01:49:35
because it's a it's a small Market that
01:49:38
we Opera in right and there's not many
01:49:40
opportunities and if you wanted to be a
01:49:42
reporter or journalist you know
01:49:44
broadcasting school really has to adapt
01:49:47
to a changing environment especially if
01:49:49
you're a journo there's fewer and fewer
01:49:51
um journalism roles available anymore
01:49:54
you know and you have to become a
01:49:57
content creator like I show speed yeah
01:50:00
yeah well you're doing the right thing
01:50:02
like before when you talked about your
01:50:03
substack stuff like um building up like
01:50:05
a a personal content creation brand
01:50:08
while you're still employed is the best
01:50:09
time to do it you got to go through that
01:50:11
pain period of growing it yeah like I've
01:50:13
got 165 people following me and four of
01:50:17
them have actually paid money for me to
01:50:19
do it so now I feel obligated to
01:50:21
continue but it's like
01:50:23
are are you being honest or are you
01:50:24
being self-deprecating about the no
01:50:26
there how many people I have it's been
01:50:28
going since May and uh I've only really
01:50:32
just dialed in on it last few because
01:50:34
you're right you do have to you do have
01:50:37
to be a brand but not a brand but it
01:50:39
just you do have to keep going and as
01:50:42
you say It's Growing Pains but hopefully
01:50:44
somebody listening will want to dial in
01:50:46
on the substack and be part of it
01:50:48
because it is a community because you
01:50:50
know the ex Twitter stuff's gone I used
01:50:52
to be really active on that and I just
01:50:54
regressed and Instagram I don't really
01:50:57
like talking down the phone which is
01:50:59
ironic because you know you talking to a
01:51:01
camera or talking to a microphone I just
01:51:03
find that stuff it's not me um so I
01:51:06
don't really I just reshare a lot of
01:51:07
stuff to my story without having a
01:51:10
personal take on stuff um so yeah I just
01:51:12
find yeah I find that is important to be
01:51:15
able to maintain a little bit of um your
01:51:18
own self entity yeah 100% well whatever
01:51:21
you're doing it's working I is there
01:51:22
anything in media that you haven't done
01:51:24
that you want to do
01:51:26
um no not really to be honest I'm very
01:51:29
lucky in that respect that I've had a
01:51:32
really great career so far and I'm
01:51:34
really proud of it and I think I'm
01:51:36
really happy with how it's going at the
01:51:38
moment things are always changing um and
01:51:42
it's when they change I've just I
01:51:44
learned from people where things haven't
01:51:46
worked out or they have had to Pivot and
01:51:49
change and it's it's obviously really
01:51:51
confronting for and i' I want to leave I
01:51:54
don't want to leave with a s a bad taste
01:51:56
in my mouth and it will I'll be really
01:51:58
disappointed if things don't work out
01:52:00
and you lose opportunities but then just
01:52:03
got to carry on and get on with it and
01:52:04
and not dwell and not be bitter um about
01:52:07
that because you just look back and
01:52:08
think oh we've had great time I've had a
01:52:10
great time I'm very lucky to do what I
01:52:12
did but now it's another door closes
01:52:14
another door opens and make sure that
01:52:16
you sort of move in a direction where
01:52:18
you're happy with what you've left
01:52:20
behind I think that's a great great
01:52:22
place to end it it's a great attitude to
01:52:24
have yeah thanks hey this has been so
01:52:26
much fun today like two hours yeah it's
01:52:28
been a long time yeah time just goes the
01:52:30
way it's been really good and I yeah
01:52:32
thanks for sharing the stuff about um
01:52:34
about your dad in particular um I'm sure
01:52:36
that stuff's not there's a lot of people
01:52:38
who would listen have lost a loved one
01:52:39
especially like a father or or a mother
01:52:41
well something we like we're all going
01:52:43
to face and confront at some point and
01:52:44
it's and I really I haven't actually
01:52:46
talked about it a whole lot and I maybe
01:52:48
out of respect to mom and my sister
01:52:50
because then you know they're dealing
01:52:53
with they still process it as well but
01:52:55
um on the flip side of that I think um I
01:52:58
don't know I'm probably projecting here
01:53:00
but when I die I just wouldn't want to
01:53:02
be forgotten at least not for a while
01:53:04
exact about talking about your dad and
01:53:05
keeping his memory alive yeah yeah no
01:53:08
you're right though it's probably a good
01:53:09
thing to keep going especially for my
01:53:12
kids as well they can listen if they
01:53:15
choose to that about what their Grandad
01:53:17
was like because they never got to meet
01:53:19
him really my 10-year-old did but then
01:53:21
he was was it 2017 so he would have been
01:53:24
like wouldn't even been four when he
01:53:26
died so he barely remembers him yeah
01:53:28
yeah he well Andrew Mulligan one of the
01:53:30
one of the greats one of the nice guys
01:53:32
thanks thanks so much for coming on the
01:53:34
podcast today thanks for having me mate
01:53:35
I really appreciate it
