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Paul Henry welcome to my podcast it's
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quite exciting
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Dom is it I you you are a dream guest
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for me an absolute Dream well you know I
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don't want it to turn into a nightmare I
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mean the thing is the one of the things
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is you've been trying to get me on for a
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long long time have you seen all the
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messages yep yep I don't think don't
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think just because I haven't replied to
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them I didn't see them um but the thing
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is it's not that I'm playing hard to get
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I just never wanted to come on um but
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the thing is the longer you want to get
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me on then I come on then you say
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something like this is a dream to get
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you on because it's been so hard but in
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reality it's just Paul Henry no but I
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I've um by the way I've got a lot of a
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lot of cards here with a lot of notes on
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and um well and the um your cards
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personalized cards you've personalized
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them and but then I I listen to every
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other podcast you've been on from what I
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can together it's which is not many be
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fair one with cie Flyn one with Paula
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Bennett one with Max Key and between two
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be Oh no you're right you're right and
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Max Key asked you um what it takes to be
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a good broadcaster and you said you said
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be yourself then you told a story about
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um having three questions really for for
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each interview you did and I like yeah
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you should actually only need three
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right you know because you because I
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mean fundamentally with an interview you
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know how long it's going to be it's
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different if it's like something like
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this long form or even something that's
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pre-recorded but most of the stuff I was
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doing was live and so you realize that
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you've got a fixed amount of time so you
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have three Journey questions which
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basically form the backbone of the
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interview um and then the trick is to
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actually listen and that is what
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distinguishes a a good interviewer from
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a bad CU most interviewers actually
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don't listen to the answers they go in
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knowing what answer they want to get oh
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and for those of you not watching I've
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just had a wine poured for me Cheers
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Cheers which was your idea I want to
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point out there are people in my life
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who
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think I may be straying into over
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drinking territory alcoholism well you
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well well again your word not mine
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actually your word's not mine in your
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book in your book um I'm in a United
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State you sort of uh it's almost like
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you're internally wondering whether
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you've got an alcohol problem not yeah
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and I don't I don't have an alcohol
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problem in fact for some bizarre reason
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I'm drinking slightly less than I did
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for a while um it might just be old age
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but um I think in that book I I
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mentioned my father's definition of an
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alcoholic someone who needs a drink yeah
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so he said that that people are are
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often um confused by how much they drink
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so so you know if you drink x amount
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you're an alcoholic he said that's not
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it he said you don't have to drink a lot
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to be an alcoholic the definition is do
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you ever need a drink and if you as
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opposed to want one and if you actually
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need a drink at any time then in his
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mind you're an
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alcoholic he needed a drink once a day
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so you're you're a a daily Drinker Mo
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most days do you have alcohol free days
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yeah I do I do and that's important so
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I'm I'm going to give you this advice
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for free now or this knowledge for free
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and it cost me a lot because I've got a
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doctor in Beverly Hills who charges an
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absolute Fortune um and she said it's
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better not to drink any alcohol at all
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um but she said to me if you could have
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two alcohol-free days a week it will
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make a huge difference particularly if
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they are consecutive days so she said
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the benefit of having two consecutive
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days is probably the equivalent to
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having three alcohol three days a week
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if they're consecutive as opposed to
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like a Monday and a Thursday yeah so I
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always try and have two consecutive
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alcohol free days right but and then on
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the days you do drink like like a bottle
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y or into the second no very very seldom
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and also um I'm one of those drinkers
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who very seldom has anything other than
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Wine on a wine drinking day so I might
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have a Jin I love Jin um I might have a
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Jin but I wouldn't I wouldn't have a
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wine so my sort of Maximum alcohol
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intake in a day would be one bottle of
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wine and it would be at the moment a
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maximum really to be honest 4 days a
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week right well that's good going so
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I've dropped it back and you'll notice
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an interesting thing in all this time
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like you poured the drink and we said
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cheers but I haven't yet drunk any cuz
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it's all part of the magic mag magic of
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wine because now because here's the
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thing it was sitting in the bottle with
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the lid on it this is probably boring
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you'll probably cut this out but it was
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sitting in the bottle with the lid on it
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and just seeing it there was enough to
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satisfy you know I had the knowledge
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that he's going to open this wine in a
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minute and then you did and there was
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that lovely noise of the screw C then
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you poured it and I got a SL with now
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I'm smelling
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it and like I've started to enjoy it
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already I'm savoring it already and I
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haven't yet sipped it oh well that seems
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like a healthy relationship with alcohol
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I'm constantly evaluating mine my
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relationship that's because you're
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obsessed with health aren't you you know
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you're obsessed I I because I had a
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little look at your bookshelf on the way
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in um and you have I think an
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unnatural an unnatural interest in your
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your physique and what you put into your
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body I think yeah part of it I think is
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Vanity I like the way how I look but I
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figure it's it's good for you in other
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aspects of your life that you're honest
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about it I think I think a lot of it's
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vanity for most people um but yeah I
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don't know i' I've managed to avoid you
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know eating well or doing any exercise
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for 63 years yeah you you yeah you you
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say that I've heard you heard you say
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that of um and I shouldn't take pride in
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it either because I know it's better to
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be healthy but you are healthy right
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guess like you're you're you're not um
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you're not you're not D you're not
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overweight um you're very active you're
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fit even if it's not through to it I'm
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I'm I'm not very active but I am act
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when I need to be active no no what what
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I mean is you can go on your boat and go
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from I know it's not sailing it's just
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on a boat but you know regardless of
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what the conditions are on a boat you
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can sail from Fiji to New Zealand no
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absolutely absolutely and I can sort of
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carry my weight you know I'm a little
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I've always been a little bit overweight
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um but I'm okay with that you know I'd
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rather look different but not much
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different and the effort to go in the
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effort I would need to put in to look a
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little bit different I'm not prepared to
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do
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it I love it hey by by the way um you
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said you probably chop this but out um I
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don't I don't chop anything anything out
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of these um unless it's at the request
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of say yourself or my public sister
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sitting here she's very worried because
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I really I really don't care what I say
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know but and so I need minders I feel
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like you've been you've been that way
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since um maybe
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2010 was was there a point in your life
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or career that you that you got what you
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considered [ __ ] you money and we you
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just didn't care anymore you know
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someone can fire you and it's not going
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to change your life I've never cared
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even when it was important to me um you
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know money uh you know earning money it
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was necessary I've never cared I've
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never looked over my shoulder at whether
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or not what I'm about to do or what I
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did would would lose me my income um
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I've just never
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I've always thought to myself I don't
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want to be here if you don't want me
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here and I don't want to be here if I
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can't just be
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myself and that there in lies the
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the there in lies a couple of benefits
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actually one I think you're a better
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broadcaster of yourself if you're honest
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and two it's so much
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easier oh yeah cuz you don't get caught
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up in a lie about something and also
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Imagine particularly in the situation
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that like I know we've both been in
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where you're on air for hours and hours
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5 days a week
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live television live radio um you know
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if you're having to you know have a fake
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persona for that amount of time I mean
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that that would take its toll it's much
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easier just to go in and be yourself I
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think there's a lot of people in
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broadcasting though that um that do have
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like a fake persona and it's generally
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like a a nice guy or a nice person
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Persona then when you meet them you're
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disappointed whereas you you um no one
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who ever meets you would say a bad word
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about you like you're you're very you're
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very charming and you're very likable um
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you I try to be and the funny thing is I
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I must genuinely be like that because I
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really don't care I really don't care
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whether people like me or not and I
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don't the comments that I get for the
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things that I do whether they're good or
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bad I I wouldn't like people to to be
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indifferent towards me would
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I well they're not so it doesn't matter
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Ian I think I would much rather people
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feel very strongly either positively or
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negatively than be indifferent um but
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yeah I've never really cared I've never
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really and again how much easier is that
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well for me I I was um I was from a
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background of music radio which is
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vastly different to talk radio but I I
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you know I studied broadcasting it at
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sort of quite great length to try and
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figure out what makes someone good and I
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think you are definitely one of the
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greats and it's probably the three hes
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actually Henry homes and hosing and one
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thing that all three of you had in
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common even though you're all very
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different broadcasters is you're all
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quite polarizing yes yeah yeah
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absolutely because I think if you're
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going to I think you almost have to be
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because if you are true to yourself then
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people will know what you're about so
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for instance they'll know your religion
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uh more or less they'll certainly know
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your politics if you're Hest and of
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course in a especially in a country like
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New Zealand I mean and it's true in many
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other countries but especially in New
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Zealand
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um people are not very tolerant of
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opposing political views um you know
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even within families people are not very
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tolerant of opposing political views so
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of course that is immediately going to
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polarize people um but but I always said
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when I polarize people I polarize them
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so much that they still want to watch to
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have their prejudices against me
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reinforced hate watching yeah yeah oh
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God he said it again I knew he was going
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to say that what an [ __ ] [ __ ] okay
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jeez sh there's so so much to get
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through it's um you know okay I'll do
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short answers okay no no no I don't want
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to I don't want to T anyway it's funny
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though because you have long form
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interviews like podcast which are are
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fantastic I think yeah because um but
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how do you make money out of them
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sponsorship but is there enough
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sponsorship it's getting there in the in
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the first year I started it I I reckon I
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took a 90% pay c cap from what I was
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getting in morning radio y now it's um
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year three it's up to almost the same
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amount wow really yeah there must very
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few people in your position though doing
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podcast I mean so many people do
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podcasts and it's you still have to get
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cut through the advantage you had of
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course is you had a
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so you had a following but it just
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always amazes me that there are because
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there are so many people doing things
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for nothing and you know just desperate
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to get an audience without actually
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thinking of monetizing it whereas do it
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properly and actually you've got to be
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able to monetize it you got to be able
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to get by absolutely you do absolutely
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so good for you hey thanks very much um
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and yeah I wasn't um joking before as
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you know from my DMs you are like a a
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dream guest and I'm it's such an honor
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that you're here today um I thought we
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could talk about a couple of current
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things and then we'll we'll go back and
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we'll bounce around through the Paul
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Henry story yeah yeah um so tritus uh
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first of all uh congratulations like the
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new season I've seen a couple of
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episodes I loved it um I caught up with
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a mutual friend of ours Andrew
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Schusterman on on the weekend for a
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drink he he told me episode three is
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insane yeah it's killer insane why am
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what you know the thing that I'm pleased
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about with it is that it genuinely is
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world class and you obviously we don't
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have a world-class budget um you know
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it's part of a franchise the Traders
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franchise and you know you look at the
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English who are spending millions and
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millions of pounds more than we are
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spending on a 12 episode series um but
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ours is very very comparable to theirs I
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mean we we it's really good it is world
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class on a New Zealand and a healthy New
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Zealand budget I me we spent a lot of
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money on it but in New Zealand standards
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we spent a lot of money on it it's a
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it's a it's a great show um yeah it's so
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interesting he it's just um that sort of
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herd mentality like someone will say
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something about another person and then
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it just gathers momentum yeah but what
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um well and that the thing that I love
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about it because I came out of
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retirement to do it it sort of fitted
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that very narrow criteria that I said I
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would you know when I left um when I
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retired I said I'm never again going to
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do daily weekly or monthly work um but
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if the right project came along that I
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could you know concentrate on and work
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hard on for a short period of time uh I
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would do it and it just the format that
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when I saw you know when they offered it
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to me um I watched the English one and I
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thought God You' you'd be a [ __ ] not to
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say yes to to hosting this um and it's
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hard work and I hate doing it but I love
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having done it do you know what I mean
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have you have you done things like that
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where you can honestly say the doing it
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is really hard but having done it is a
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great sense of satisfaction you're so
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pleased and I'm at the point now where
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I'm doing I'm in post production for the
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second second half um and I really enjoy
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that you know uh but but the actual
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taping of it is um yeah and for anyone
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that hasn't hasn't seen it so you're the
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you're the you're the host or the ring
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Master whatever you want to call it and
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you're sort of you're playing yourself
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but it's very much an exaggerated
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version of yourself it's an acting an
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acting role yeah is is that who you'd
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love to be um it's well it's very um I
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suppose in a way it's the opposite of
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what I was saying before be yourself but
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it's it's me being it's an exaggerated
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vers an exaggerated version of myself
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yeah and so for instance the clothes
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that I wear there a lot of them are my
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clothes but I wouldn't
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normally wear them in that sort of
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combination or or all the time which I
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do in the program yes um and I love that
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because I love theater you know I've
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always loved theater um I'm I'm a
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frustrated actor always have been got
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started working at the BBC originally
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when I was very young because I needed
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money and I I discovered that like like
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everyone else that was there um I was a
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frustrated actor and you were working at
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the BBC because they actually paid you a
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salary rather than working for a theater
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where you may or may not get work what
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why are you so anti-work because I've
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sort of found from my I'm probably
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projecting here but from my personal
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experience if there's something that I'm
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very good at I generally enjoy it or at
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least enjoy it more
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you well I'm much older than you I've
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done it for longer I'm older than you
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you know not considerably though I
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suppose suppose not um but I don't know
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I just think you know job well done I'm
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job well done you know what I mean I I
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mean like I a lot of people a lot of
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people seem to think particularly in our
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industry that the mark of success is to
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die doing it I think to a large extent
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that's actually the mark of failure you
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know isn't success saying gee I I did
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really well at that I'm really happy
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with the way I did that I I said yes to
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all of these amazing opportunities that
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I was given and then was given better
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opportunities and started to say no and
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thought no I'm moving on there are other
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things because you do realize and you
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must surely realize this but I think a
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lot of broadcasters don't that actually
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apart from the people you're
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entertaining today you're not making a
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difference you know you're actually not
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making
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it's a bit of pill to swallow but I've
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always said I could go back on talk back
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radio tomorrow and just recap shows that
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I did 20 years ago and the same callers
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you know or their next generation will
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phone up and say the same bloody things
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moan about the same thing you know what
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actually changes yeah but you but you're
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very good at it that's do you do you
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think you've got um like it I'm 51 I'm
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at an age where it was never diagnosed
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so you definitely would be as well but
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do you think there's like of ADHD in oh
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god well we're all on the Spectrum
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aren't we yeah I agree we're all on the
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Spectrum like I said in in in which book
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was it I think an outraged um I mean
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everyone very few people are black and
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white if any right so take homosexuality
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right um my viewers that that's just a
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spectrum that we're all on um and some
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people
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are more to one extreme than another but
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I mean in in fact in in my second book
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outraged I had a graph so
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50% was entirely homosexual right one
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and and then at the Other Extreme you
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had entirely entirely um heterosexual uh
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and and we're all somewhere on that
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spectrum and so we are as well on
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emotionally and in every other
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way and I mean that's what makes that's
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why every single person is different
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yeah cuz the different combinations are
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almost Limitless almost Limitless
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absolutely so so you do you do the the
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traitors um you've also got the Henry
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Spirit as well e Jen yeah like is that a
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passion project yeah it's well it's I'm
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not passionate about
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it you know what I'm gonna be honest I'm
00:18:10
GNA be honest I'm I do find it hard to
00:18:14
be passionate about very many things now
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and I think that's healthy as well sad
00:18:19
isn't it no no it's not no cuz I've been
00:18:22
passionate about things and now I just
00:18:24
really like things that I used to be
00:18:25
passionate about but that's not a bad
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thing it's because you know you you've
00:18:29
been there and you've done that so
00:18:30
here's what the Gin is the Gin was an
00:18:33
interest and I thought I bet I could do
00:18:35
that because I've got a fabulous taste
00:18:37
buds um but if I'm going to do it I I I
00:18:41
just want it to be really really good I
00:18:44
I want to know that it is the best gin
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there is or at least equal to the best
00:18:49
gin there is um but because I wasn't
00:18:53
passionate about having a huge Gin
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Company or selling a huge amount you
00:18:56
have to cut Corners cuz I mean how was I
00:18:58
going to sell it I didn't want to do
00:19:00
advertising or anything like that so so
00:19:04
so where I cut Corners was in the
00:19:06
bottles and what I've discovered and had
00:19:08
I not done this I wouldn't have
00:19:10
discovered it the singly most important
00:19:13
thing with Spirits is the
00:19:14
bottle now a lot of people will be
00:19:17
listening to this and also watching it
00:19:20
and instantly you want to jump in and
00:19:22
say well that can't be true you know but
00:19:24
that's the buying decision the buying
00:19:27
decision is what you know and I'm
00:19:29
talking about a spirit you haven't tried
00:19:30
before so if you're going to try a
00:19:31
spirit you haven't tried what are the
00:19:33
decisions the labels are a little bit
00:19:35
important what you've heard about it
00:19:37
it's a little bit important where it is
00:19:38
on the Shelf is quite important but
00:19:41
nothing individually is more important
00:19:43
than the container it's in it's
00:19:45
literally judging a book by its Cav
00:19:47
really it literally is and when you
00:19:48
think about it I mean take Jen as an
00:19:50
example there's so bloody much and if
00:19:53
you've got one that you like why would
00:19:55
you take a risk especially with a Jin
00:19:57
like the Henry which is at the low end
00:20:00
of expensive Jens you know if there's a
00:20:02
really cheap J that you haven't seen
00:20:03
before and you love Jen just buy a
00:20:06
bottle you know but mine isn't that mine
00:20:08
is at the low end of the expensive Gins
00:20:11
and and so why when there's so much gin
00:20:13
in you know the ones you like would you
00:20:15
try a different J because you'd go [ __ ]
00:20:17
look at that bottle you know and the
00:20:19
label a little bit but it's the bottle
00:20:21
so anyway I'm working on that now with
00:20:23
my Distributors so but but is it a
00:20:25
passion project no is it something I'm
00:20:28
interested enough to do a little bit
00:20:30
towards yes and what I know is my God it
00:20:32
tastes fabulous I I didn't bring a
00:20:35
bottle in and I should have brought a
00:20:36
bottle in but see and that's another
00:20:37
thing I don't want to be the guy that
00:20:39
just goes around spooking his own J you
00:20:41
know because this would have been a
00:20:43
perfect place and thank you for talking
00:20:45
about it this will be cut out um but but
00:20:48
but no it's um I I don't want to be that
00:20:50
guy that you know if people buy my Jin
00:20:53
they will realize when they taste it as
00:20:55
long as they like the cuz you know you
00:20:57
have to like cherries to enjoy the
00:20:58
Cherry J you have to like watermelon to
00:21:00
enjoy the watermelon J but I
00:21:03
know someone will say oh well I quite
00:21:07
like the Bombay Sapphire you know and in
00:21:10
the back of my mind I know how it's made
00:21:12
and I'm happy for someone to say I like
00:21:14
that more than yours because what
00:21:16
they're saying is that taste appeals to
00:21:18
me or more likely I've been drinking it
00:21:20
for a long time and so that to me is gin
00:21:23
you know so the more it tastes like that
00:21:25
the better I like it but I am I can I'm
00:21:28
quite happy for people to say I don't
00:21:29
like the taste of it because I know how
00:21:31
good it is technically I know how good
00:21:33
it is you know well what are you
00:21:35
passionate about now and what does an
00:21:36
average day look
00:21:38
like what what gets you out of beard in
00:21:40
the
00:21:41
morning do you know I can honestly not
00:21:44
answer that but something I can't answer
00:21:47
that because something happens at about
00:21:49
4:00 a.m. and I get up and maybe it's
00:21:51
because like you I've worked early in
00:21:54
the morning for so long but what gets me
00:21:56
out of bed in the morning is the
00:21:58
inability to stay in bed any longer you
00:22:02
I'm I'm awake at 4: every morning and
00:22:05
sometimes I just get straight up and do
00:22:07
all kinds of little things like I pay
00:22:09
bills or I just do a little bit on
00:22:12
answer emails or I I don't I'm making it
00:22:15
up because I literally don't know I
00:22:18
literally don't know but I mean I love I
00:22:20
mean I've got a a gorgeous wife I've got
00:22:23
three gorgeous daughters um and I've got
00:22:26
a small gaggle of friends but it's a
00:22:29
very small gaggle of friends
00:22:32
because I when it comes to relationships
00:22:35
I'm very when I say relationships beyond
00:22:39
my immediate family I'm very very lazy
00:22:42
like how many times over the years will
00:22:43
I have said to you God we seriously must
00:22:46
catch up and I know everyone says that
00:22:48
but when I say it I absolutely 100% know
00:22:51
I'll never do it I'm exactly the same
00:22:54
but I feel like there um the well how
00:22:56
many apart from your
00:22:59
how many really close friends would you
00:23:01
say you had oh I've got a very very
00:23:04
tight small circle like maybe half a
00:23:06
dozen a handful of friends I feel like
00:23:08
you've got probably got more than no
00:23:10
that would be more than me but not many
00:23:11
more than me I've probably got you know
00:23:14
in terms of really really good friends
00:23:16
I've got three or four um but I still
00:23:18
don't put much effort them but a really
00:23:20
good friend you shouldn't have to put
00:23:21
much the funny thing is I say that but
00:23:23
that's like a copout thing to say the
00:23:26
fact is if they're really good friends
00:23:27
you should be prepared to put an effort
00:23:29
and I just I don't know I I don't know
00:23:32
about
00:23:33
you but I am I'm very good company to
00:23:39
myself you know I really do
00:23:44
enjoy downtime you know I can be on my
00:23:47
own for ages and and I'll think you I'll
00:23:50
go I've got a farm up north and I'll go
00:23:52
up there and my wife laughs about it you
00:23:55
know she'll say to me I think you need
00:23:57
to go to the farm and and I'll go up
00:24:00
there and literally at the end of the
00:24:02
day a day where I have done nothing like
00:24:06
nothing at theend I mean I've maybe
00:24:09
lifted a moved a few books around not
00:24:11
read just moved a few books around with
00:24:13
the intention of putting them in a nice
00:24:15
pile so that I can sit down and read
00:24:17
them but right at the minute I don't
00:24:19
have time because is I've got to look
00:24:21
out the window and I'll get to the end
00:24:24
of a day and I think where did the time
00:24:27
go just does though doesn't it just does
00:24:29
so who who who who is you in a circle
00:24:32
who are your friends a what would I say
00:24:36
I probably
00:24:37
wouldn't no but like in your book you
00:24:40
talk about your relationship with um
00:24:41
John Key and Michael Hill and uh John on
00:24:44
Instagram you talked about Sam Hunt John
00:24:46
key is probably my number one friend
00:24:49
right really likees yeah yeah well now
00:24:52
you're asking me not him if you ask him
00:24:55
he might say um oh yeah I know Paul you
00:24:58
know whereas he's he's pretty close to
00:25:01
my best friend probably is my best
00:25:03
friend how did that relationship start
00:25:05
was that through a brickfest interview
00:25:06
when he was like leader of nation I
00:25:09
suppose it was it was just it just
00:25:10
developed yeah just bed yeah yeah and we
00:25:14
just I mean we will talk on the phone
00:25:18
about absolute
00:25:21
shite for long periods of
00:25:24
time you know it's just which is which
00:25:26
is the mark of a of a best friend but I
00:25:28
mean you know I
00:25:30
I yeah it's a tin it's a handful you
00:25:34
know it's a little handful of so I don't
00:25:36
know that we're best friends cuz I mean
00:25:38
you know I know he likes me but for all
00:25:41
I know right now as we're speaking he
00:25:43
could be on the phone with someone else
00:25:44
talking a load of shite well no you must
00:25:47
be pretty good friends cuz yeah the
00:25:49
story in your book you talk about um
00:25:51
being on your boat in Europe together
00:25:52
somewhere around Europe together where
00:25:54
was it like Croatia or somewhere yeah
00:25:56
yeah yeah yeah so I a boat is a very
00:25:59
confined space so if he's going over
00:26:00
there to spend time with you on your
00:26:01
boat that's yeah but we frequently just
00:26:03
jump in jump in and and do death defying
00:26:08
Feats because I think there's a sort of
00:26:10
rivalry you know I don't know if you
00:26:12
always have that you probably do because
00:26:14
you're very sporty I'm not
00:26:16
sporty
00:26:18
um but we have this weird rivalry that
00:26:21
we never talk about together but we sort
00:26:23
of set challenges that are always
00:26:26
slightly beyond our ability and then do
00:26:29
them
00:26:31
like sometimes
00:26:33
swims like ludicrous swim
00:26:36
dangerous oh you talking about book you
00:26:39
say it's like 100 miles I'm I'm
00:26:41
imagining 15 20 me but you know the
00:26:43
thing is you you throw waves and show
00:26:46
that that the one we're talking about
00:26:48
that I mentioned in the book was in the
00:26:49
Caribbean uh in an area which is known
00:26:52
for great white sharks and it was not a
00:26:55
calm day and boats are always a lot for
00:26:58
further away than you think you know
00:27:00
they are a lot further away the currents
00:27:02
the waves
00:27:04
anyway silly things do do have you got
00:27:07
any friends that you um that you can
00:27:08
talk to about serious stuff are you good
00:27:11
at talk about serious stuff no no no and
00:27:13
and I know you're into that whole Men's
00:27:16
Health thing and all of that not
00:27:18
spirituality but perilously bloody close
00:27:21
um and that's just not me I'm just not
00:27:24
into that and it's not that I'm
00:27:25
oldfashioned because I realize that the
00:27:27
stoic old way is no I'll just sit here
00:27:29
and die quietly um but I I just you know
00:27:33
that whole and you've got a lot of books
00:27:34
a lot of those sort of Mambi pambi wishy
00:27:37
washy not Mambi pambi wishy washy no but
00:27:41
it's it's good to okay maybe you're up
00:27:44
to something you know oh I just spend
00:27:47
more time looking at Clouds
00:27:51
really oh jeez um I had a cat here about
00:27:55
your early years but now that now that
00:27:56
I'm um a half a tum of wine I don't know
00:27:59
it just seems I love that word Tumbl
00:28:01
Tumbl it's your word and it's very it's
00:28:04
very it's very European I mean they've
00:28:06
all gone into tumblers now anything with
00:28:08
a stem's gone by the way you you you use
00:28:10
the word Tumblr in your book in
00:28:11
reference to pouring yourself a wine in
00:28:13
the in the Cory lounge and it's yeah no
00:28:16
one's giving thems a restaurant por of
00:28:17
the cor loue are they you no no one no
00:28:20
one because everyone in the back of
00:28:21
their mind are thinking [ __ ] I paid a
00:28:22
fortune to be in here it's not free I've
00:28:25
paid a fortune yeah and once I get on
00:28:26
that plane it's like they're going to
00:28:28
going a ration out little drink well
00:28:30
they don't ration it where I fly um but
00:28:33
even so you've got limited
00:28:35
time yeah limited time AB Li time okay
00:28:38
um so we skipp your early years um yeah
00:28:41
because everyone knows that yeah every
00:28:43
everyone who cares knows it and I mean
00:28:45
it was interesting but it's a long time
00:28:47
ago yeah we've got to look forward yeah
00:28:49
so um early career though CU I'm I'm
00:28:51
trying to think it feels like you you
00:28:53
got quite famous quite late yes I did
00:28:56
yeah so you were foreign Cor and you did
00:28:58
some TV because I did a lot of stuff
00:29:00
that I was interested in and and I and I
00:29:02
wasn't I was never discovered I just
00:29:05
sort of put myself in positions and I I
00:29:08
would always just naturally assume I
00:29:11
could do anything that I well anything
00:29:14
yeah from your mom Olive that's how yeah
00:29:15
I just naturally assumed I yeah exactly
00:29:17
and I naturally assumed I could do it um
00:29:20
normally people don't say can you do it
00:29:22
they assume the mere fact that you've
00:29:23
you're sitting there means that you can
00:29:25
do it so you've take that box um
00:29:28
but I was discovered if you
00:29:32
like
00:29:34
by uh I was doing just trying to think I
00:29:37
think I was doing breakfast at Pacific
00:29:39
uh radio Pacific was it with Pam cery or
00:29:42
no I did do breakfast with Pam CER but
00:29:45
but I but I did breakfast with a range
00:29:46
of people there um and on my own for a
00:29:49
while um
00:29:51
but um God I'm just trying to remember
00:29:54
his name you know Bill Rolston mhm
00:29:58
who was the head of news and current
00:30:00
affairs at tvnz he said a um do you want
00:30:04
to come out for lunch so we went out for
00:30:07
lunch television New Zealand had just
00:30:09
introduced that maximum $100 bottle wine
00:30:13
forid L you laugh and I laugh it's just
00:30:17
so ludicrous isn't it
00:30:19
like like don't put a maximum price on
00:30:22
the lunch and don't put a maximum number
00:30:24
of bottles just put a maximum price on
00:30:27
each bottle you know isn't that so
00:30:28
television New Zealand anyway they just
00:30:31
put this thing on so so Bill had
00:30:33
discovered there there were a couple of
00:30:34
places that had really good wines and
00:30:36
maximum was like $100 or something and
00:30:39
there were really good wines at about
00:30:42
$99.90 um and and so we had this very
00:30:46
very boozy lunch and um then he offered
00:30:49
me
00:30:50
breakfast so I did that and that I
00:30:53
suppose that maybe there's a little bit
00:30:56
of Truth in the fact that do you
00:30:57
remember that how's life was Charlotte
00:30:59
dawon I was going to bring that up I
00:31:01
thought like for me I think that was the
00:31:03
moment cuz I'd um heard the name Paul
00:31:05
Henry uh mainly doing like foreign
00:31:07
correspondent crosses and you've got a
00:31:09
very recognizable voice and very
00:31:11
articulate almost and kiwi sounding very
00:31:14
English sort of sounding voice yes and
00:31:16
then um yeah there was it was like a
00:31:18
5:30 show on TV1 or TV3 like a TV1 TV1
00:31:21
it was before the news was TV3 even
00:31:23
going then probably I can't even
00:31:25
remember what year early 2000s yes I was
00:31:28
sh was the H read out problem NS right
00:31:30
yes that's right yeah it was that whole
00:31:31
it was like Beauty and the Beast um only
00:31:34
it was just a panel of rotating panel of
00:31:36
people and and I was the I don't know
00:31:40
the cantankerous sort of honest one the
00:31:42
one that didn't do all the research like
00:31:44
a lot of those people we'd record a few
00:31:47
programs uh at the same time and um I
00:31:50
wasn't in them all but I I was in quite
00:31:52
I was quite regular um and and some of
00:31:56
them would do so much research search
00:31:58
you know well here's a number you can
00:32:00
phone and you know I mean they could all
00:32:02
find the numbers themselves you know
00:32:04
what they wanted was to hear honest
00:32:06
opinion and so I wouldn't read the
00:32:08
letters in advance so you know I well
00:32:12
what I mean is I just read it I wouldn't
00:32:14
dwell on it and then when it was read
00:32:16
out on thing I'd give my give my opinion
00:32:20
and just my opinion because I figured
00:32:21
that was the thing you got five five
00:32:23
people and Charlotte dwson you should
00:32:25
just give your view and I was very
00:32:27
forthright
00:32:28
there was one time when this woman was
00:32:30
being terrorized by a husband or
00:32:32
something like that and everyone and
00:32:33
this was the last letter just before one
00:32:35
news and so Judy Bailey and Richard long
00:32:38
are sort of sitting there all ready to
00:32:39
go watching this thing play out you know
00:32:42
um and right at the end of it Charlotte
00:32:46
came to me and uh said you know what
00:32:48
would you do and I said I'd poison
00:32:51
him I would put poison in his food and
00:32:54
gradually watch him die and
00:32:58
when the news
00:32:59
started you could see Judy Bailey With
00:33:02
Tears In Her Eyes
00:33:05
just cuz they'd never heard anything
00:33:08
like that on air before cuz so and too
00:33:10
good never suggested anyone was poisoned
00:33:13
yeah so was was that sort of
00:33:15
um not like a an epiphany in terms of a
00:33:18
moment but that sort of period was it a
00:33:20
time where you thought okay I'm actually
00:33:22
more valuable if I'm giving more of
00:33:24
myself away rather than just like you
00:33:26
know reciting facts or news I don't know
00:33:30
I mean in hindsight maybe that is true I
00:33:32
don't think I ever thought it you know
00:33:34
because I I don't know I've never really
00:33:37
made anything of an
00:33:39
effort no with my career you know I've
00:33:42
never for a start I've never seen it as
00:33:43
a career it's a collection of jobs that
00:33:45
have been all Loosely in one industry
00:33:49
um but okay well when from your career I
00:33:53
mean here's a
00:33:54
thing so many people talk to me about
00:33:56
doing so many things
00:33:58
kite flying you know this industry it's
00:34:00
all full of kite flying and what does
00:34:04
kite flying mean just hot air [ __ ]
00:34:07
yeah and sometimes it's just you know oh
00:34:10
we've got this idea for a program would
00:34:11
you be interested in it um and I never
00:34:14
say the death Words which are tell me
00:34:17
more about it I never say that I just
00:34:19
say oh yeah come back to me when it's a
00:34:20
deal you know and it's never a deal well
00:34:23
sometimes it is like traitors is an
00:34:24
example but so many people you know
00:34:26
we've got this idea you'd be perfect for
00:34:28
it you know it's an idea are yeah yeah
00:34:31
cuz I've never known anyone that's had
00:34:32
an idea before and and in this industry
00:34:35
everyone's got a thousand ideas yeah I
00:34:38
said my my girlfriend I say that to her
00:34:40
all the time she'll be like d That's
00:34:41
that Call's really exciting I'm like oh
00:34:43
is it though like it's is it it's not a
00:34:45
deal until it's a deal you just can't
00:34:48
count your chicken before they I I mean
00:34:49
you must be in the same situation like
00:34:51
the number of times I would be
00:34:52
frantically busy if if 1% of the things
00:34:57
that are picked to me or attempted to be
00:34:59
pitched to me came came to fruition do
00:35:03
what do you think you're just you're
00:35:04
naturally lazy like no I'm the opposite
00:35:07
I'm the opposite but I'm very realistic
00:35:10
there's too much to do and I enjoy doing
00:35:12
nothing so much and doing nothing
00:35:15
is you know I watched an interesting I
00:35:18
don't know if you've seen Outlaws on
00:35:19
Prime right there's a section in this
00:35:23
and it's in Bristol and I lived in
00:35:24
Bristol for quite a few years with my
00:35:26
mom when we were poor and that's one
00:35:29
thing that Drew me to it and it's funny
00:35:30
because listening to the accents makes
00:35:32
me feel it's surprising how accents and
00:35:35
voices you know get into your head and
00:35:37
it's the first time I've heard a lot of
00:35:38
that th that sort of um sort of Somerset
00:35:42
type accent uh for a long time anyway
00:35:44
they're they're on this walk right they
00:35:46
they this this walking group and one of
00:35:50
the characters in it who's an activist
00:35:53
says oh we should um do something we're
00:35:55
on these walks we should you know we
00:35:57
should somehow make money out of it or
00:35:59
or make a point or maybe rather than
00:36:01
just walking around like this we should
00:36:02
walk on Parliament or we should you know
00:36:05
and this woman says why don't we just
00:36:07
enjoy the walk and this other woman
00:36:11
can't get that this other woman just
00:36:14
thinks well well where are we going well
00:36:17
we're just going to end up where we were
00:36:18
at the beginning well what but what's
00:36:20
the point in that what's the purpose you
00:36:23
know we're expending this energy surely
00:36:25
we could take the energy we're expending
00:36:27
now and also walk but walk with a
00:36:29
purpose and and this other woman just
00:36:31
not why can't we just enjoy the walk you
00:36:34
know and that's what I do I enjoy the
00:36:37
walk without walking that makes sense
00:36:41
okay so so early in your career you
00:36:43
owned a radio station in masterton yeah
00:36:45
uh yes to FM yeah in carterton yeah
00:36:49
basically so is is that where is that
00:36:51
where you sort of made your money or did
00:36:52
you sort of make your money like in real
00:36:54
terms like when breakfast came along is
00:36:56
that when when did you get like
00:36:58
okay so I have I have
00:37:02
um I've I've always spent wisely I've
00:37:05
always invested wisely and I've always
00:37:08
had an above average
00:37:10
income um sometimes way above average um
00:37:16
and that that's what's that's
00:37:19
what's provided reasonably well for my
00:37:22
family you know that that just being
00:37:24
smart with the money that you earn yeah
00:37:25
and not like crazy smart
00:37:28
but I've I've always bought and sold
00:37:30
property in small ways um but I've
00:37:33
always had the backdrop of at the very
00:37:36
least a substantially better than
00:37:38
average income and sometimes like
00:37:41
considerably better than that um and and
00:37:45
so you know that combination that's
00:37:46
meant that I've never needed to I've
00:37:50
never needed to make money on
00:37:52
investments so I've always been able to
00:37:54
allow my investments to make money and
00:37:56
grow
00:37:58
um because I've always had enough money
00:38:00
to squeeze and I haven't taken huge
00:38:02
risks you know when I look back at the
00:38:04
things that I could have taken risks on
00:38:09
um in your book you talk about buying
00:38:11
media
00:38:12
works but it was very cheap not what a
00:38:16
dollar could you buy it for a dollar and
00:38:18
I didn't no but you don't need to buy
00:38:19
buy it for a dollar you can I very cheap
00:38:22
well okay so here's the
00:38:24
thing here's the thing you know you
00:38:26
think oh Med works it's worth well I
00:38:28
mean what was their like the most recent
00:38:30
loss 10 and something million you know
00:38:33
um and of course I was talking when I
00:38:34
was talking about buy media works I
00:38:35
talking about the TV assets um which in
00:38:38
the end were purchased by Warner
00:38:39
Brothers Discovery for 20 20 something
00:38:42
million right they paid over the odds I
00:38:44
wouldn't have paid that much but um you
00:38:48
know you don't need to have that money
00:38:49
to buy it you just need to have a good
00:38:51
business plan and enough to pay towards
00:38:54
it is is there such a thing as a good
00:38:56
business plan for Media Company these
00:38:58
days um I mean this is 5 years ago you
00:39:01
wrote I had a good business plan yeah um
00:39:04
would it have been good enough because
00:39:06
here's the thing you know I mean I'm I'm
00:39:10
going into the am show on Monday um it's
00:39:14
their last week right uh and they're
00:39:16
probably all worried that they that
00:39:18
they're not going to have jobs I mean
00:39:19
maybe they're not worried and they found
00:39:20
other jobs and things like that but
00:39:22
there'll there'll be a level of
00:39:24
agreement over it you know because you
00:39:28
you'll have experienced this as well you
00:39:30
know in media the people in media have a
00:39:33
inflated view of their Worth to the
00:39:35
organization and no appreciation for the
00:39:39
fact that there are people that have
00:39:40
actually got money on the line people
00:39:42
who've actually invested money so as you
00:39:46
spend all this time sitting there
00:39:47
thinking in an AG grieved way I should
00:39:50
be paid more I need to go in and ask for
00:39:52
more money you don't spend one second
00:39:54
thinking interestingly enough I have no
00:39:56
money invested in this bus and there are
00:39:58
people that have and actually last year
00:40:00
we reported a $30 million loss you know
00:40:04
and and so these people will think oh
00:40:06
you know it's the last show and you know
00:40:08
we're great it's just a bloody breakfast
00:40:10
show on just another Network you know
00:40:12
and the reason that they're not going to
00:40:14
be on next week is because the people
00:40:16
who've been hemorrhaging money have
00:40:18
decided to turn the tap off you know no
00:40:21
big brother is making a bloody fortune
00:40:23
and running away with their Futures you
00:40:25
know quite the opposite
00:40:27
um and so I've always been very
00:40:29
realistic about that so coming back to
00:40:30
your question because I don't know why
00:40:31
I'm talking about that um I I had I went
00:40:35
to to Media
00:40:38
works specifically to three with with a
00:40:42
plan to hopefully find them three good
00:40:47
years because as we know the landscape's
00:40:49
changing here's another funny thing
00:40:50
about the media like take your show your
00:40:52
podcast there were no podcasts what 10
00:40:55
years ago there were none none so there
00:40:57
was no so the audience for podcasts were
00:41:01
were somewhere else probably on free to
00:41:03
Air television or radio or somewhere or
00:41:05
buying records or something like that
00:41:08
and so all of these Networks TV and Zed
00:41:10
media Works they were starting other
00:41:13
platforms and they were encouraging
00:41:15
people to go on the other platforms
00:41:17
while simultaneously saying oh my God
00:41:19
where are the viewers going do you know
00:41:21
what I mean like like if you if you look
00:41:23
at Warner Brothers like they actually
00:41:25
started other TV networks you know other
00:41:28
and oh my God the viewers where are they
00:41:29
going well maybe they're going to these
00:41:31
other platforms because the the The
00:41:34
Times They are a changing you know one
00:41:36
of my neighbors in Palm Springs sent me
00:41:39
a photo
00:41:40
yesterday they were at the pool and it
00:41:43
was Twilight and they took a photo of
00:41:46
the lovely pool which has been there for
00:41:47
years and years and the palm trees and
00:41:49
all of my palm trees uh maybe I don't
00:41:52
know 30 years old and in the backrop the
00:41:55
backdrop was the sky
00:41:57
and there was a SpaceX rocket flying
00:42:00
past now only a few years ago you
00:42:04
wouldn't see that and you wouldn't take
00:42:06
photos of it so why are there still
00:42:08
people who think you should be able to
00:42:10
take photos of SpaceX Rockets flying
00:42:12
past but no one should question the
00:42:15
validity of the job that you're doing no
00:42:18
one should change any of that even
00:42:21
although we're driving electric cars
00:42:23
which will soon be Obsolete and you know
00:42:26
phone line
00:42:27
are a thing of the P so everything can
00:42:29
change but don't don't change the place
00:42:32
where we work do you think Legacy Media
00:42:34
have had a sort of
00:42:36
arrogance no I think they're incompetent
00:42:39
right I think it's incompetence no I
00:42:40
really do I mean how like okay
00:42:44
so you know the journalists who said and
00:42:47
I won't name them but I could publicly
00:42:51
they were stupid enough to say we didn't
00:42:53
see this coming and yet they call
00:42:55
themselves journalists
00:42:58
year after year they report
00:43:00
multi-million doll
00:43:01
losses they bemoon the loss of the
00:43:04
audience they see and promote and at the
00:43:08
very least report on the proliferation
00:43:11
of extra platforms but they didn't see
00:43:15
that coming I mean how and and this is
00:43:19
not just the journalists management are
00:43:21
exactly the same how could they not see
00:43:23
it coming when they were part of
00:43:26
promoting
00:43:27
the future and and so it's obsolete TV3
00:43:31
is obsolete so is TV and Z free to Air
00:43:35
television is obsolete every single
00:43:37
thing that's happened for the last
00:43:39
decade and a half has been showing the
00:43:43
new way and some of those new things
00:43:45
have already fallen by the wayside
00:43:47
because they've been
00:43:49
replaced so to all of a sudden be
00:43:52
surprised that programs are closing down
00:43:55
and networks are shutting news rooms
00:43:57
down and things like that it's just
00:43:58
beyond me it's beyond me that anyone is
00:44:01
surprised or even bothered by it you
00:44:04
know I mean you know someone's saying
00:44:07
someone says oh God news Hub is closed
00:44:09
down and then goes out and gets into
00:44:11
their electric car and practically flies
00:44:12
to wherever they're going you know or
00:44:15
doesn't go anywhere because all the
00:44:16
food's delivered to their door or
00:44:18
because their bloody fridge ordered food
00:44:21
for them and you expect still to be able
00:44:23
to watch some stupid oldfashioned thing
00:44:26
how how do you consider most of your
00:44:27
media these days what is that you just
00:44:29
get pop-ups on your phone from the news
00:44:31
the day no internet I I I hunted down
00:44:33
because I don't like popups right um but
00:44:37
still obviously you can't avoid them but
00:44:39
yeah just just on on the on the uh you
00:44:42
know the iPad thing you know I mean it's
00:44:44
just there isn't it whenever you want it
00:44:47
I mean seriously congregating around a
00:44:49
television at
00:44:51
6:00 gather around the news is on sit up
00:44:54
straight you remember D shush us growing
00:44:56
up yeah it's the news it's Julian
00:44:59
Richard sit up
00:45:01
straight older than then I think it was
00:45:03
Philip just Philip Philip Sher God he
00:45:05
was good wasn't he yeah he was fantastic
00:45:07
South Pacific television do you remember
00:45:09
that and it had the eye do you remember
00:45:11
that Philip Sherry always immaculately
00:45:13
turned out beautiful diction and I
00:45:16
admire all of that there was a quality
00:45:18
in that broadcasting but it is
00:45:20
oldfashioned and its time is gone it's
00:45:22
gone yeah everything changes yeah
00:45:25
nothing stays the same and everything
00:45:26
should change
00:45:28
you know me you to
00:45:31
people and it sounds like an old to say
00:45:34
you talk to young people now and they I
00:45:36
mean television the word
00:45:38
television why do we still use the word
00:45:41
television it's exactly the same as say
00:45:43
I mean you say to a young person why
00:45:45
have you been listening to the wireless
00:45:47
you know that's that's like saying
00:45:48
television yeah it's just a what ises it
00:45:50
now just a screen yeah just a screen
00:45:52
yeah yeah everything you consume is on
00:45:54
screen isn't it um when people talk
00:45:57
about traitors you know you know and and
00:45:59
and I still say you know we were we were
00:46:01
taping it well we weren't taping it we
00:46:03
were filming it no we weren't filming it
00:46:05
were we recording it no we weren't
00:46:07
recording it you know we don't we don't
00:46:10
have we don't have tape we don't have
00:46:11
film you know and you think God really
00:46:14
Everything's changed just the
00:46:15
terminology soon you won't need me you
00:46:18
know you don't need hosts oh just
00:46:19
cheaper to get an AI po Henry more
00:46:21
reliable too yeah doesn't complain about
00:46:24
working then I can spend more time up
00:46:26
the farm
00:46:27
and just looking at things yeah but you
00:46:29
um does part of you feel sad about the
00:46:32
the change though given TV's been such a
00:46:34
big part of your life and it's been so
00:46:35
good to you and you've been good for it
00:46:38
do you know what I mean like I feel like
00:46:39
you're part of it but I do when you get
00:46:41
to my age and you've done the things
00:46:43
I've
00:46:44
done you know you do realize how much of
00:46:47
what you've done is now not even not
00:46:49
only is it not done but no one would
00:46:52
even understand it I mean when I for a
00:46:54
period of time when I worked at the BBC
00:46:56
I I worked and the um I was a I was a um
00:47:00
projectionist for David atenor I was a
00:47:02
projectionist now I used 35mm film you
00:47:07
know I was
00:47:08
projecting um Celluloid film uh which
00:47:14
used to sweat nitroglycerin we had a
00:47:17
film store that I used to go into I had
00:47:19
was one of the few people that had the
00:47:20
key to get into the film store at the
00:47:23
BBC under broadcasting house and it was
00:47:26
kept at this cold condition cold
00:47:29
conditions and some of them were
00:47:31
literally dripping nitroglycerin you had
00:47:34
to be so careful with this stuff it was
00:47:36
so oldfashioned but we were still
00:47:38
watching it on we had separate magnetic
00:47:40
tracks for the audio you had to line
00:47:42
them up on the project I mean none of
00:47:45
that none of that is around today and is
00:47:48
it bad that it's not around no you know
00:47:51
I mean it might be nice novelty to have
00:47:52
an Old Edison Edison scroll or something
00:47:55
in your living room very C but that's
00:47:57
all it is yeah and I mean all the things
00:48:00
that replace that have now they're all
00:48:02
obsolete I remember for a while when I
00:48:04
was a foreign correspondent I bought the
00:48:07
latest state-of-the-art technology which
00:48:09
was the mini dis the quality was
00:48:12
extraordinary I think minidis were
00:48:14
around for like 18 months you know they
00:48:16
were almost superseded before the first
00:48:18
machine was on the market I have minis
00:48:21
as well yeah it was amazing cuz before
00:48:23
that we had like a little um like
00:48:25
dictaphone or a little c Rec and then
00:48:28
You Got Dat tapes do you remember the
00:48:29
DAT tapes yeah and then the digital
00:48:32
audio tape was out and then all of a
00:48:33
sudden the mini disc came out and I
00:48:34
thought oh God that's future proof I'll
00:48:37
buy one of those that's so much better
00:48:39
than a DAT tape well L 18 months that
00:48:41
was it yeah now now the voice member on
00:48:44
your phone it does all that stuff it's
00:48:46
crazy so you um you got bre you you went
00:48:49
on breakfast in
00:48:51
2004 look you've done the research okay
00:48:54
I not going to argue with 20 years ago
00:48:56
it's a bloody time who you who with
00:48:58
years ago was it with Alison Moore
00:49:00
firstly right yeah not Kate hawksby no
00:49:03
no Kate Hawks hawksby had already moved
00:49:06
on and I think prior to me Allison and
00:49:10
Mike were doing it right do you know I
00:49:14
it doesn't even matter it doesn't even
00:49:15
matter so but I would say 201 I love
00:49:18
that when it doesn't even matter no it
00:49:19
doesn't I'm I'm off the hwk but 2010
00:49:23
2011 I feel like that was like Peak Peak
00:49:25
Henry terms of the dangerousness of you
00:49:29
we had extraordinary viewership I mean
00:49:30
extraordinary viewership um yeah it was
00:49:34
just sometimes there's a moment in time
00:49:36
you know when everything comes together
00:49:38
and that was one of them you know I mean
00:49:40
pppo was wonderful we worked so well
00:49:43
together but and it wasn't work you know
00:49:46
we were so good together we sat on a
00:49:48
couch well together you know um what's
00:49:52
still hurat from all your other all your
00:49:54
other you know co-hosts or offsiders she
00:49:55
was perfect yes and none of the others
00:49:58
have been perfect some of them have been
00:50:01
really good some of them have been
00:50:03
bloody terrible some of them have been
00:50:04
really good but that it was and and
00:50:07
again it's not that she was perfect or I
00:50:09
was perfect or the or TV and Zed was
00:50:12
Perfect Chemistry or it's just that
00:50:14
moment in time and you can go through an
00:50:16
entire career without ever actually
00:50:18
hitting that moment in time through no
00:50:20
fault of your own but there was just
00:50:22
this moment in time where it all just
00:50:24
jelled just came together
00:50:27
yeah and I felt like at that time it was
00:50:30
just this level of unpredictability it
00:50:33
was like you you're maybe the most
00:50:35
dangerous broadcaster in the country and
00:50:37
the respect that no one knew what you
00:50:39
were going to say no it was was that
00:50:41
because you were that comfortable in the
00:50:42
job you've been there five six years you
00:50:43
didn't give a [ __ ] anymore yeah okay
00:50:45
yeah and you know when it all came
00:50:47
tumbling down I'm going to half pie
00:50:50
surreptitiously if the camera goes to
00:50:52
you now I'll just grab the wine
00:50:56
he's leaning over for the The Roaring M
00:50:59
by the way is Roar did I do okay it's a
00:51:00
central otaro you did really well and
00:51:03
here's what I'll say about roaring M um
00:51:05
it's great value for money it's you know
00:51:07
it's worth the money you spend on it's
00:51:09
good quality and it's at a good price
00:51:11
what' you pay for it um I think it was
00:51:13
like 35 bucks next door you prep Rock
00:51:15
Boon's probably my favorite but it's um
00:51:17
it's a little bit more pricey it's about
00:51:18
5050 you like rockbon I do like Rockburn
00:51:21
do you know what it's not that much
00:51:24
better than roaring me is it is it
00:51:26
better wrong no even a rabbit Ranch it's
00:51:28
like a 25 2425 that's a I mean you can
00:51:31
get okay you can get really nice wine
00:51:33
for under $10 and you should be able to
00:51:35
but it's a what what can you get no you
00:51:37
can but it's a bit unpredictable it's
00:51:39
it's a it's a crapshoot you know um but
00:51:42
this stuff isn't I quite like Mount
00:51:44
difficulty as well but that's a little
00:51:45
bit more expensive I like difficulty and
00:51:47
I don't know that it's any better than
00:51:48
roaring me no I don't want to turn this
00:51:50
into an adver for roaring Meg M but I
00:51:53
actually don't
00:51:54
care and it is and it is made by m
00:51:57
difficulty yeah I'm um I I'm excited
00:52:00
about um yeah I'm I'm 51 now so you've
00:52:03
got like 12 years on me I'm excited
00:52:04
about getting older for that for that um
00:52:07
zero [ __ ] given Factor because I I find
00:52:10
it as do you still give a [ __ ] I find
00:52:13
myself catching myself giving a [ __ ]
00:52:15
about some things but it does get leas
00:52:16
and Le give me an
00:52:18
example oh [ __ ] I can't even think of an
00:52:21
example off the top see that's great
00:52:23
there is nothing you give a [ __ ] about
00:52:24
if you can't think about it you can't
00:52:26
think of something your girlfriend's
00:52:28
lovely I met her the other day for the
00:52:29
first time yeah I found a little yeah
00:52:32
yeah I want to ask you about that so
00:52:33
she's she's um 30 so she's quite a bit
00:52:35
younger than me and she she knows no one
00:52:38
I have on the podcast she's she's like
00:52:40
who you got coming around today did she
00:52:41
not recognize me oh no no she knew me
00:52:43
okay I was going somewhere with this it
00:52:44
was like oh sorry she's like who's
00:52:46
coming around today I'll be like oh Dame
00:52:47
Lisa Carrington she be like don't know
00:52:49
who that is no but then I she's like oh
00:52:51
Paul Henry but then she the next thing
00:52:54
the the strap line or whatever you want
00:52:55
to call it she was say mustache on a
00:52:57
lady which I feel like is um offensive
00:52:59
in a way like like nutting down a well
00:53:02
it's one of the things isn't it but I
00:53:04
know what you mean you know you you've
00:53:06
got this huge body of work but then
00:53:09
things float to the top you know easy
00:53:11
pickings going to the do you know the
00:53:13
thing that I'm most proud of so I came
00:53:15
into work one day this was at tvnz it's
00:53:18
not the thing I'm most proud of
00:53:20
obviously the thing I'm most proud of is
00:53:21
traitors we need to talk a bit more
00:53:22
about that too cuz out the corner of my
00:53:24
eye the publicity who
00:53:27
Lely she's great she's lovely she's s
00:53:29
she's is that aive like a public sitting
00:53:32
here monitoring you like you can't be
00:53:34
trusted it's absolutely necessary you
00:53:36
wouldn't believe I mean so far I haven't
00:53:37
said anything that you'd no no well this
00:53:40
this the thing I like about this
00:53:42
platform um oh I just finish this cuz
00:53:45
there's I want to hear this but the
00:53:47
where I was going
00:53:49
was I mean I I am quite I don't know if
00:53:52
I'm proud of traitors but I I love it
00:53:55
you know I love having done it I'm I'm
00:53:57
very pleased to be associated with it um
00:54:01
but one of the things that I was most
00:54:04
proud about you know when because you
00:54:05
mentioned mustache on a lady and dick
00:54:07
[ __ ] and all those things which people
00:54:09
always bring up um and then there was
00:54:11
that wonderful one where we were talking
00:54:12
about rats and I spat all over you know
00:54:15
cuz I just was laughing so much and I
00:54:16
had a mouthful of water I took a water
00:54:18
take a quick s and then spattered out
00:54:21
all over my co-host anyway um
00:54:26
don't I don't remember that one I came
00:54:28
into work one day
00:54:30
right and this is so we're in the studio
00:54:33
right and they had padlocked our laptops
00:54:37
to the
00:54:39
set now nothing says I don't trust you
00:54:44
like pad loocking padlocking your
00:54:46
[ __ ] laptop to the set it's very so I
00:54:49
said to one of the cameraman I said have
00:54:51
you got a hacksaw anyway he didn't but
00:54:54
he brought one in the next day and
00:54:56
halfway through the program halfway
00:54:59
through the program I said to Pippa I
00:55:02
said this is offensive they don't trust
00:55:04
us now apparently they said subsequent
00:55:07
to this and when I say they like
00:55:09
management whoever the hell they were
00:55:11
they said that you know that obviously
00:55:13
the laptops were there at night and so
00:55:15
they was the cleaners they didn't trust
00:55:17
or or maybe it was the cameraman but
00:55:19
they basically didn't trust anyone these
00:55:22
were Dell laptops seriously like
00:55:24
anyone's going to steal one of those
00:55:26
anyway um anyway uh so halfway through
00:55:30
the program I get the there's I think
00:55:32
you can still see this on YouTube I get
00:55:34
the hack out and start hack soring
00:55:36
through whilst I'm hack soring through
00:55:39
and because I know it would take too
00:55:40
long cuz you know time's against you on
00:55:42
television uh I hackled through the the
00:55:44
nasty cheap wood that they that they
00:55:47
drilled a hole through in the set I hack
00:55:50
sword through it to get the lapt top out
00:55:52
to make a point you know that whether
00:55:55
you like Paul Henry or not that is
00:55:57
bloody
00:55:58
entertaining it's unpredictable and it's
00:56:01
making a point I mean that is a beauti
00:56:03
it's great TV but it's also just great
00:56:05
living it's making a point you know
00:56:07
these people who sit up in their offices
00:56:10
you know are so bad at their jobs that
00:56:12
they've decided the only way they can
00:56:14
protect their Dell laptops is to padlock
00:56:17
them to the
00:56:19
set I mean
00:56:22
really that's brilliant that is so good
00:56:25
I love that breakfast and they've done
00:56:26
that nice thing with chain oh
00:56:30
yeah oh God there's got to be a bit a
00:56:32
way to like secure your electronic Goods
00:56:35
doesn't there than a a bad luck in a
00:56:37
chain you know if you've got people
00:56:38
stealing Goods get rid of the people you
00:56:41
know or padlock the people to their
00:56:43
houses so they can't come in and take
00:56:45
your laptops so was I've never liked
00:56:48
Dell equipment I don't know why he's mad
00:56:50
about it I never I never have I don't
00:56:52
know why anyone says D I always think
00:56:54
inferior and that's just and obviously
00:56:56
that's something D are going to have to
00:57:00
address I think they're a very valuable
00:57:02
company I don't think they're too
00:57:03
concerned but maybe they are I don't
00:57:05
know I think as a result of this there
00:57:08
will be a special emergency meeting of
00:57:10
the Dell board so in 2010 you win the
00:57:14
People's Choice Award the Quantas TV and
00:57:16
film Awards and you you make um the most
00:57:19
memorable speech ever first of all
00:57:20
there's a serious moment where you
00:57:21
thinkk um PPP which is lovely I feel
00:57:24
like we've touched upon that that's
00:57:25
clear special relationship um then I I
00:57:29
didn't get it's 14 years ago so I didn't
00:57:31
get the references um you read out a
00:57:34
letter and I don't know if this was this
00:57:35
was an actual letter or something that
00:57:37
you'd made up uh if it was a real one
00:57:39
I'm I'm guessing you definitely Rec
00:57:40
crafted it you definitely recraft though
00:57:42
because word for word [ __ ] word for
00:57:45
word it was too brilliant to be yeah it
00:57:47
was and and the thing is TV and Zed
00:57:49
didn't give me much mail because I think
00:57:51
I used to get a lot of hate mail but
00:57:55
occasionally they would send me a
00:57:58
selection anyway I I opened this letter
00:58:01
before breakfast one morning and I
00:58:03
thought that is a [ __ ] gem that that
00:58:06
it had obviously been written by someone
00:58:08
who was intellectually
00:58:11
deranged but it it there was a
00:58:13
magnificent outcome it was magnificently
00:58:15
written it was hilarious there was one
00:58:17
little part of it which I think was a
00:58:19
bit unpleasant but here's the thing I I
00:58:23
in my own mind there was one little bit
00:58:25
of that letter that I was a little
00:58:26
uncomfortable with but in my own mind I
00:58:28
thought if I'm going to pull a letter
00:58:29
out of my pocket and read it I'm going
00:58:31
to read it word for word I'm not going
00:58:33
to edit it in any way or embellish it in
00:58:36
any way so anyway when I got this thing
00:58:38
in the morning I didn't think I was
00:58:39
going to use it at the awards and this
00:58:41
was quite a bit before the awards like
00:58:43
maybe a week or something like that but
00:58:45
I thought that's a gem this is a keeper
00:58:48
and I just put it in one of my suit
00:58:49
Pockets um and then at the awards I
00:58:52
thought it's the People's Choice Awards
00:58:54
and here is a really I think I said in
00:58:56
in the speech a really passionate viewer
00:58:59
you know you have to be passionate to
00:59:01
write in but to to have those strong
00:59:03
feelings of rage and and you yeah and
00:59:06
you won the crowd over as well you see
00:59:08
it on YouTube like the whole the whole
00:59:10
Auditorium is in hysterics and it's a
00:59:13
tough crowd because it's a lot of egos
00:59:14
there a lot lot of people think no one
00:59:16
wants to really applaud someone else cuz
00:59:18
they just want to be applauded
00:59:19
themselves 100% so what was the what's
00:59:21
the unpleasant but that you're talking
00:59:22
about the SE word at the end no no no
00:59:25
God no um um do you know I I can't even
00:59:28
quite remember it there was just some
00:59:31
reference there were references to Susan
00:59:34
Bole pamer Anderson and David Hasselhoff
00:59:36
which went over my yeah but I think
00:59:37
there was a I think there was some there
00:59:39
was a little crossover between the Susan
00:59:41
Bole and the and the um uh Pamela
00:59:44
Anderson thing it was just one little
00:59:46
thing that I was slightly uncomfortable
00:59:47
with but again I thought I'm either
00:59:49
reading this whole thing or I'm reading
00:59:51
nothing um I didn't realize that it was
00:59:54
live on TV and I said said
00:59:57
[ __ ] and it was live on TV but I didn't
01:00:00
even know cuz I didn't care about any of
01:00:02
those things do you know what the
01:00:04
miracle was I went cuz I wouldn't
01:00:06
normally go to something like that
01:00:10
um but there was a oh so everyone says
01:00:14
to me not everyone but when people talk
01:00:16
about it they always want to oh was it a
01:00:17
real letter where's the letter the funny
01:00:20
thing is after that there was like a
01:00:22
party you know there's always a sort of
01:00:23
a party afterwards I don't normally go
01:00:25
to those things but I think think there
01:00:26
was some situation where someone else
01:00:28
there was taking me home or something
01:00:30
and so I had to be there I went to a
01:00:33
traitor thing the other night and
01:00:34
someone was supposed to be taking me
01:00:36
home but they lost their keys so someone
01:00:37
else was taking me home and I ended up
01:00:39
having to go and drink far too much
01:00:41
because I just really wanted to get home
01:00:44
anyway one of the top twins came up to
01:00:46
me I
01:00:47
think Linda yeah Linda came up to me and
01:00:51
she said was that a real letter and I
01:00:53
took it out of my pocket and I said here
01:00:54
you have it so she got the letter now
01:00:57
whether she kept it I don't know they've
01:00:59
done a few little famous things
01:01:01
themselves so maybe they're not keeping
01:01:04
relics of Paul Henry's F but it was an
01:01:06
amazing L it was that's where it is so I
01:01:08
gave it to her she couldn't she couldn't
01:01:11
believe it was real CU like you she
01:01:13
thought well surely I've it was well it
01:01:14
was so well written like for comedic
01:01:17
purposes oh for comedic but of course it
01:01:19
wasn't written for comedic you imagine
01:01:21
the Venom someone had to have just
01:01:23
outrage upon outrage yeah they just like
01:01:26
double down Double Down double down so
01:01:30
so the um the controversies um the
01:01:34
mustache on a lady thing was that before
01:01:35
that or after that around the same time
01:01:38
I don't around the maybe I can't
01:01:40
remember I can't remember I watched I
01:01:42
watched that clip this morning it's um
01:01:44
in the whole aftermath it's it's still
01:01:47
very very funny but do you you regret
01:01:50
that now or how how do you feel on mean
01:01:52
I don't even think about it now yeah and
01:01:54
at the time I I just Rec call not
01:01:56
regretting it then you know but it was
01:02:00
more about yeah
01:02:01
yeah I mean yes you if you're on TV now
01:02:05
You' do the same thing the actually you
01:02:07
probably wouldn't you would be canel you
01:02:09
don't well so I wouldn't be on TV now
01:02:11
yeah yeah blissfully um but but here's
01:02:15
you wouldn't do the same thing again
01:02:17
because you can't do the same thing
01:02:19
again because it only works because
01:02:22
you're just doing your thing you know if
01:02:24
if if all of a sudden rethinking things
01:02:27
that's why when people do things you
01:02:30
know and they rework it and rework it
01:02:32
normally it's never as good as the first
01:02:33
draft of course it's like the first
01:02:35
person that comes in and offers you
01:02:36
money for your property you probably
01:02:37
should have said
01:02:38
yes okay then there's the um um oh what
01:02:42
was the other controversy oh um the
01:02:45
Sheila di dick there was the big one
01:02:47
right so this is when well I don't know
01:02:49
if that was the big one I
01:02:51
mean everyone looks at that as being
01:02:53
that was why
01:02:56
that was that was why I lost my
01:02:58
job but I suppose I I I've always said
01:03:03
um that your it's just the way human
01:03:06
nature is your failures are cumulative
01:03:09
your successes are singular so I mean if
01:03:12
you're only on stage for one evening you
01:03:14
know you might have a few jokes that
01:03:15
don't work and a few that do and
01:03:16
everyone goes home thinking about the
01:03:17
ones that did but if you're on stage 5
01:03:20
days a week for 3 hours a day um at the
01:03:24
end of every day everyone thinks oh that
01:03:25
was fun
01:03:26
but your failures add up at the end of
01:03:29
the week everyone can tell you how many
01:03:30
failures you have but they only remember
01:03:32
the one success you had that last day
01:03:34
this is the same with politics that's
01:03:36
why we don't have a national government
01:03:38
forever because the longer you're there
01:03:40
the more failures you've had U and
01:03:42
people will only ever remember your last
01:03:44
success but they'll remember every
01:03:45
single failure and and I'd been in
01:03:47
breakfast for a long time and what some
01:03:50
people perceived as my failures were
01:03:53
cumulative and I knew that the wagons
01:03:56
were circling around me um and because I
01:04:02
was never going to fight for my job I
01:04:03
would never fight to keep a job I mean
01:04:06
how horrible would that be you know to
01:04:08
you know oh oh you're still here yeah
01:04:10
God I've had to fight to keep this job
01:04:12
another way of that is oh you're still
01:04:14
here yeah no one wants me here you know
01:04:16
that's the that's exactly the same thing
01:04:18
both those things add up I would never
01:04:20
fight to keep a job I would never even
01:04:22
you know do you want me here well I and
01:04:24
I want to be here so I Stay stay here do
01:04:26
you want me here no I'm off you why
01:04:28
would you be want to be somewhere where
01:04:29
you're not wanted but that um the sh
01:04:32
thing the response like was outrageous
01:04:35
outrageous and I can't imagine what it
01:04:38
felt like in the the I don't know the
01:04:40
hours or the days or the weeks after
01:04:41
that to be Paul Henry I was the and it's
01:04:46
still it's still it doesn't haunt me now
01:04:48
it's there now nothing haunts me it's
01:04:50
there now it's part of the rich tapestry
01:04:52
of my my I'll call it a career it's part
01:04:55
of that rich tapestry um but it kind of
01:04:57
felt like part of the rich at the time
01:04:59
it must have been [ __ ] awful do you
01:05:01
know it wasn't awful it was huge it was
01:05:04
all encompassing I mean I was the
01:05:05
biggest racist in the country it was
01:05:08
completely out of perspective you know
01:05:11
Rick Alice was the CEO of tvnz at the
01:05:13
time and he literally had not on his
01:05:16
desk because it would have looked stupid
01:05:18
down behind his disc he had a stack
01:05:21
because people emails a stack of emails
01:05:24
printed out like 3T tall of people
01:05:28
supporting me and a stack of emails
01:05:30
printed out 3T tall of people hating on
01:05:33
me and insisting that they that they get
01:05:36
rid of me you I think quite a conundrum
01:05:39
did
01:05:40
the it's 50 what what pile is higher
01:05:44
it's like it's like an informal poll um
01:05:47
that was was a big part of the support
01:05:50
because people could most new zealanders
01:05:52
could see you were being hard done by
01:05:54
like this is what
01:05:56
for goodness sake he's on you know I
01:05:58
mean at the end of the day if if you
01:05:59
look at the reality of here here's a guy
01:06:02
doing live television 3 hours a day five
01:06:04
days a week and he's just being himself
01:06:08
and like us when we talk to this person
01:06:10
and talk to that person we go to work
01:06:11
and we say things and we joke around
01:06:14
sometimes he's going to be right on the
01:06:15
edge sometimes he's going to be boring
01:06:17
and sometimes he's going to slip over
01:06:19
the edge and say something maybe that's
01:06:22
going to be taken the wrong way by some
01:06:24
people and I'm not diminishing I mean
01:06:25
some people obviously were genuinely
01:06:27
outraged but that's not against the law
01:06:30
to be outraged good for you for being
01:06:31
outraged I mean here's the thing don't
01:06:34
watch
01:06:35
anymore you know but but the the thing
01:06:38
that would happen with me with with
01:06:40
other things as well someone would be
01:06:42
outraged and they'd phone up and they
01:06:43
say my God you need to see what he said
01:06:45
today oh I didn't see it I'll go and
01:06:47
look so we're going to have a look at
01:06:48
something that that people have told us
01:06:50
to be outraged about were you out how
01:06:52
what did you think oh was terrible it's
01:06:54
it's a outrage porn it was terrible have
01:06:56
you told anyone else about it yeah I
01:06:57
told
01:06:58
Sheila she's going to watch it has
01:07:00
Sheila watched it she has watched and
01:07:01
she phoned back and she said it's
01:07:02
terrible she's going to write a letter
01:07:05
now these aren't people that saw it the
01:07:06
first time or even the second time they
01:07:09
were told that this was outrageous and
01:07:11
they should see it to be outraged and
01:07:13
Hallelujah they were outraged yeah and
01:07:15
and this sort of this has probably
01:07:17
accelerated the demise of um you know TV
01:07:20
and radio and a away because it's
01:07:21
everyone's too scared to do anything
01:07:23
what a sad country when it's like that
01:07:25
but I mean the world is like it it's not
01:07:27
just New Zealand I mean the world's like
01:07:28
it and the wowers are taking over but
01:07:31
was there I mean it's you know was like
01:07:33
over a decade ago so it's probably
01:07:34
easier to talk about now but just trying
01:07:36
to take yourself back there is is that
01:07:38
like the biggest sort of adversity
01:07:39
you've gone through in your life it was
01:07:40
a collection of things at the time it
01:07:42
wasn't just that one thing and but it
01:07:44
wasn't adversity you know it was it no
01:07:48
it was though it was it might have been
01:07:50
for other people but it wasn't for me no
01:07:52
well as as someone that was um you know
01:07:54
far less well than you and just in music
01:07:56
radio it seemed outrageous like there
01:07:57
were there were reporters C camped
01:07:59
outside your poor mother's rest home
01:08:01
there was people outside your house
01:08:02
there were people it was almost like the
01:08:04
OJ Simpson BR it wasion of the OJ
01:08:07
Simpson thing yeah yeah it was it was it
01:08:10
was I can imagine what it was like being
01:08:12
in your shoes but it was fine being in
01:08:14
my shoes you know was it like yeah okay
01:08:16
so first thing that happens right you
01:08:19
imagine this you got to get up at :00
01:08:21
every morning to go in and do television
01:08:23
and all of a sudden you don't have to do
01:08:25
that anymore
01:08:26
you've been stood down you've been stood
01:08:28
down on full pay so I go to my house at
01:08:32
the sea right and I Hunker out there for
01:08:34
a while cuz CU they told me too tvnz
01:08:37
said I needed to you know just go and
01:08:39
just yeah and and Hawk's Bay I know I
01:08:41
read better the so I did that and then
01:08:42
the next minute there's an emergency
01:08:44
meeting things aren't calming down we're
01:08:46
going to have to address this you're
01:08:47
going to have to come back for an
01:08:48
emergency meeting so I go back for an
01:08:50
emergency my emergency you know um and
01:08:54
and people people were up and arms but
01:08:56
like I say and there were two sides of
01:08:58
the camp three sides really there's the
01:08:59
other side that didn't even know it was
01:09:01
going on cuz they were just struggling
01:09:02
through their lives um and then they
01:09:04
give me a payout and I and I field
01:09:07
inquiries I mean seriously I'm not
01:09:10
minimizing it that's how it was it
01:09:13
wasn't a nightmare for me it was a an
01:09:16
unexpected
01:09:17
flurry of activity yeah but I also know
01:09:21
how I mean yeah you you're you're very
01:09:23
tough and resilient but also you know
01:09:25
there's the the the women in your life
01:09:27
AR like your three daughters and your
01:09:29
mom who you care about deeply and maybe
01:09:31
your girlfriend Lindsay at the time um
01:09:33
and I like yeah how did you feel on
01:09:36
behalf of them at the time I would have
01:09:37
been [ __ ] pissed off yeah I was
01:09:39
really pissed off that that that they
01:09:41
were outside mom's rest home but to be
01:09:44
honest she didn't
01:09:47
know and if she had she would have waved
01:09:51
out the window you know she's she was a
01:09:53
lovely Soul um I mean ludicrous to be
01:09:56
outside my girlfriend's house what were
01:09:58
they hoping to achieve there well I
01:10:00
suppose they were waiting to see where I
01:10:01
was you know where I was going to go but
01:10:03
actually my now wife Diane um she came
01:10:06
in with me and helped negotiate the the
01:10:09
final payout and everything you know we
01:10:11
were close friends then and um yeah you
01:10:14
know you know it's just a moment in time
01:10:16
I mean at the end of the day it's just a
01:10:20
breakfast show it's a breakfast show no
01:10:23
one's been stabbed in the eyeballs it's
01:10:25
just a breakfast show it is and I fully
01:10:28
agree with you but also there's I think
01:10:31
one of the one of the most unfair things
01:10:33
is being misrepresented so having all
01:10:35
these people or feel like the world's
01:10:37
caving in with everyone not everyone but
01:10:39
you know a a huge portion of people
01:10:41
thinking you're a racist and the media
01:10:43
definitely adding fuel to that fire um
01:10:46
that's hurtful the media did a terrible
01:10:48
job but they
01:10:49
often Med they often exactly exactly
01:10:53
that they often do a terrible job as We
01:10:54
Know um but you know the um it was an
01:10:58
international incident why was it an
01:11:00
international incident seriously one
01:11:03
breakfast host on a breakfast program in
01:11:07
a country most people in India have
01:11:08
never heard of says one thing for one
01:11:11
moment and it's an international
01:11:12
incident do you know what went in an
01:11:14
international incident one the fact that
01:11:17
our attache or whoever he was decided to
01:11:21
go and apologize on New Zealand's behalf
01:11:24
no one was seeking an apology no one
01:11:26
asked for an apology and he had not been
01:11:29
given the instruction to go and
01:11:32
apologize he did it off his own bat
01:11:34
right and then the media reported it no
01:11:37
one's saying why did you apologize you
01:11:39
know who was calling for the AP because
01:11:41
it what was all that was entirely
01:11:43
unnecessary so all of a sudden you've
01:11:45
now got a little country in the middle
01:11:46
of nowhere that no one's ever heard of
01:11:48
who's saying there's an international
01:11:50
incident you know we've had to apologize
01:11:51
and everything and gradually that is
01:11:53
reported around the world and in
01:11:57
something I I think what you were
01:11:59
talking about before of kind of asking
01:12:01
like you know that he's resilient and
01:12:04
wasn't really hard um like I think
01:12:07
potentially you talk about your travel
01:12:09
and like been through that so what's
01:12:12
that there in terms of like the way that
01:12:14
you grew up you know that was quite hard
01:12:16
quite res from that so nothing to that
01:12:19
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're
01:12:22
ched so you you were um are you
01:12:25
publicist in the background was just
01:12:26
saying um your child was hard and that
01:12:28
made you resilient so now everything's
01:12:30
water off a duck's back more or less
01:12:33
yeah I
01:12:35
um yeah I
01:12:37
mean this is what comes back to me
01:12:40
saying all of this was based on one
01:12:42
comment one breakfast host makes in one
01:12:44
small country in one moment of time um
01:12:48
at the end of the day there are people
01:12:50
cuz I know what it's like to just
01:12:52
struggle through life um and there are
01:12:55
people who are struggling through life
01:12:56
who don't have the luxury of being able
01:12:58
to dwell on one little moment in time
01:13:01
for one breakfast host you know and so
01:13:04
from my point of view it was just a
01:13:07
moment in time and all of a sudden it
01:13:08
turned into something else and I just
01:13:10
lived through that you know you duck and
01:13:12
dive you take the turns in life you you
01:13:16
you're very lucky that you must say it
01:13:17
now being on the um on the the hosting
01:13:19
side of a reality TV show like the the
01:13:21
duty of care that goes into that
01:13:23
non-scripted reality whatever it's
01:13:24
called it's phenomenal like they're so
01:13:27
nervous about someone someone saying
01:13:29
something mean about someone else and
01:13:30
them taking it badly but one of the
01:13:32
lovely things about traitors they take
01:13:35
they say really mean things about each
01:13:37
other we encourage them to kill each
01:13:38
other and people take it really badly
01:13:41
and and we are there to witness the
01:13:42
whole thing it's that's the wonderful
01:13:44
thing about a program like that here's
01:13:46
the other thing with traitors it really
01:13:48
is reality you know I I mean I mean you
01:13:50
can you obviously there's a a genre
01:13:53
reality television um
01:13:56
and you've got you know Treasure Island
01:13:57
etc etc etc but none of those programs
01:14:00
are as real as traitors because as
01:14:04
producers of the program we really don't
01:14:07
dictate where it goes the key decisions
01:14:10
are entirely out of our control we have
01:14:13
a small ability to manipulate the way
01:14:17
things happen as a result of decisions
01:14:19
that are made but only a small ability
01:14:21
but no ability to actually manipulate
01:14:24
decisions and so the whole program spins
01:14:27
on the real decisions that real people
01:14:30
make based
01:14:32
on quite often mistaken ideas in their
01:14:36
minds or as you suggested before someone
01:14:39
says something and all of a sudden oh my
01:14:40
God you know the whole game's taking a
01:14:43
different turn yeah it's fabulous I
01:14:45
think having seen the first um two
01:14:47
episodes in advance
01:14:49
um it it is it's a stronger show with
01:14:52
less known people rather than um 100%
01:14:55
taking it with celebrities or
01:14:57
influencers and the interesting thing is
01:14:59
the Americans who only know how to make
01:15:01
American television um have only had
01:15:03
celebrities or you know yeah celebrities
01:15:07
um whereas the British who know how to
01:15:09
make television for the world um have
01:15:11
only had normal people people um and the
01:15:15
difference with normal people and
01:15:17
celebrities is normal people are
01:15:20
themselves celebrities are celebrities
01:15:23
and so they to a to one degree or
01:15:26
another will always second guess the way
01:15:28
they're going to appear the way they're
01:15:29
going to handle a situation so it takes
01:15:32
longer for them to get into a game if
01:15:33
ever they fully get into it um the
01:15:37
incredible thing for me in the second
01:15:38
series is the way these people just like
01:15:42
in episode one you would have seen it
01:15:44
they're playing the game straight away
01:15:46
you know their wonderment of the place
01:15:47
dis disperses almost instantly as they
01:15:50
start to think my God I can't trust any
01:15:51
of these people it it is an
01:15:54
extraordinary game
01:15:55
you
01:15:56
imagine like it's it's interesting um
01:16:00
talking to some of them now because I
01:16:02
don't talk to any of them before because
01:16:03
I am you know I'm God in the game I I I
01:16:07
don't even make eye contact with them
01:16:08
they're dust under my chariot wheels um
01:16:12
and that needs to be like that you know
01:16:14
because we're setting a scene it's all
01:16:15
part of the theater it's part of keeping
01:16:17
them in this posited fake world but you
01:16:21
imagine being in this world and not
01:16:24
being able to trust anyone not being
01:16:27
able to communicate with your old life
01:16:29
with any of your family or friends not
01:16:31
being able to talk things through so the
01:16:33
only people you can talk things through
01:16:35
with are people that you have probably
01:16:37
falsely deemed trustworthy but you know
01:16:41
that they may well not be trustworthy
01:16:43
trying to dup you yeah and it's yeah
01:16:45
it's your whole world isn't it your
01:16:47
world people come into it yes people
01:16:49
come into it with a strategy and and if
01:16:52
you talk to them afterwards they say
01:16:53
look that actually didn't serve us well
01:16:55
at all because when we're in it we
01:16:57
realize actually you can't play out a
01:17:00
strategy because there are no anchors
01:17:02
that you can tie to you know everything
01:17:05
is loose everything is
01:17:07
untrustworthy it's fantastic exercise
01:17:10
and Humanity it's it's bloody great um I
01:17:14
so you've had your phone on through this
01:17:16
just in case your daughter Bella goes
01:17:18
into labor no yeah yeah so you've got
01:17:21
three she's expecting twins twins twins
01:17:24
how how many grandkids have you got two
01:17:26
two ran and
01:17:28
Mina you love being a Granddad yeah ran
01:17:32
Henry is this is you know one of the
01:17:34
nicest things one of the best accolades
01:17:37
you can get in your life is for your
01:17:38
name to be passed on and and so uh my
01:17:42
daughter Lucy and her husband Frank in
01:17:44
Melbourne have called their first son
01:17:46
rahan Henry and their second daughter
01:17:49
Mina Olive isn't that lovely after after
01:17:52
your mom yeah Thea yeah yeah how how are
01:17:56
you how are you different from being a a
01:17:58
father to being a grandfather you know I
01:18:00
feel you you you were a fun dad anyway
01:18:02
right I was a fun dad um and still am
01:18:06
you know trying to be you know
01:18:10
um they say about grandchildren you know
01:18:12
all care no responsibility as opposed to
01:18:15
All Care all
01:18:16
responsibility uh and I think that's
01:18:18
probably pretty accurate I mean I don't
01:18:20
see the two grandchildren I have very
01:18:23
often and and I do miss them a bit um
01:18:27
but I see because distance yeah yeah and
01:18:30
I mean I could make more of an effort I
01:18:32
could go more often but I know they've
01:18:34
got their lives and like they don't even
01:18:36
want to talk to me on the phone I me
01:18:39
Mina will wave but only if um uh what's
01:18:43
that program she loves what's that new
01:18:45
program that and actually it's
01:18:47
captivating to watch it's a cartoon show
01:18:49
Peppa Pig it's fantastic have you ever
01:18:51
watched that pig it's bloody fantastic
01:18:54
it's it it's absolutely F it's
01:18:56
compelling watching cuz I was once over
01:18:59
there and I said said to her I said oh
01:19:01
for goodness sake you know they don't
01:19:04
understand for goodness sake but I said
01:19:05
for goodness sake Let's uh oh and then I
01:19:08
started watching Peppa P
01:19:10
you and her mother said what are you
01:19:12
doing
01:19:13
sh it's the good B yeah I've got a a
01:19:16
quote here I think this is from um a
01:19:18
woman's magazine um you talking about
01:19:20
your daughters they know I love them in
01:19:22
every possible way because I tell them
01:19:23
constantly I text all three of them at
01:19:25
least twice a day email about every 2
01:19:27
days and bombard them with supplementary
01:19:30
information about my life and ask them
01:19:32
questions about theirs they uh they know
01:19:34
absolutely without question that I love
01:19:36
them completely that's beautiful yeah
01:19:38
it's a beautiful and here's what you
01:19:40
have to do to get away with that CU that
01:19:41
could be annoying that could be damned
01:19:43
annoying so I've made it a little pisty
01:19:45
a little py yeah but here's how you get
01:19:47
away with it because I still do that now
01:19:49
and sometimes I'm typing it and sending
01:19:51
you know cuz now you got the Emojis so
01:19:53
I'm doing combination of emojis as well
01:19:56
because a picture paints a thousand
01:19:57
words so I send sometimes you know
01:19:59
25,000 words um but how here's how you
01:20:02
get away with it you get away with it by
01:20:04
making clear that you don't expect a
01:20:08
reply you know so I I I will never say
01:20:12
oh I asked you so and so and you didn't
01:20:13
reply never because I don't expect a
01:20:15
reply I just constantly want them to
01:20:18
know and and I know that they must
01:20:21
sometimes roll oh [ __ ] hell you know
01:20:23
go oh Jesus Christ oh my father l oh no
01:20:27
that's nice I think that's that hasn't
01:20:29
changed from 9:00 this morning he still
01:20:30
loves me cuz you you were you were sort
01:20:32
of busy your dad was an adventurer and
01:20:35
you were sort of like an adventure I
01:20:36
guess of a different sort in in the
01:20:38
early part of their lives with your
01:20:39
foreign correspondent right that's right
01:20:41
so it's it's um it is it is very lucky
01:20:44
you've got this relationship with them
01:20:45
now if you don't do the work in the
01:20:46
early in the early years to you have to
01:20:48
constantly do the work I think yeah I
01:20:50
think you have to constantly do the work
01:20:53
and and you know it's a wonderful thing
01:20:54
thing cuz that's that is the only point
01:20:56
in it apart from the just the point of
01:20:59
enjoying
01:21:00
yourself the only other point is to to
01:21:04
pass your the only way you will actually
01:21:06
get any kind of longevity is to have
01:21:08
children and and you know pass it down
01:21:11
apart from that the only point is to
01:21:12
enjoy yourself really because I mean if
01:21:14
you if you enrich other people's lives
01:21:16
which is
01:21:17
nice um I suppose but if you enrich
01:21:20
other people you're only enriching the
01:21:21
life of the person you're touching that
01:21:23
moment you know you're right book and oh
01:21:25
god there are so many I mean look at
01:21:27
your
01:21:28
bookshelf there are so many books if we
01:21:30
if everyone stopped writing books now
01:21:32
people there's enough there's enough
01:21:34
books there's seriously enough books
01:21:37
yeah people say oh I read so and so
01:21:39
we'll go back you know let's re-release
01:21:41
a few that have already been written by
01:21:42
people who've got a lot more to say than
01:21:44
some of the people that are writing
01:21:45
books now and I say that to someone
01:21:47
who's written books as someone who
01:21:49
writes books I mean there is no need for
01:21:51
anyone to write another
01:21:53
book would you do anymore it's terrible
01:21:56
paid a terrible return on you don't do
01:21:59
it for money do you you don't do it I
01:22:00
mean I wouldn't do it if it wasn't if
01:22:02
there wasn't if I wasn't paid I wouldn't
01:22:03
do it but if you actually facted out I
01:22:07
don't know how quickly you write but if
01:22:09
you facted out the hourly rate on
01:22:11
writing a book oh it's terrible lowest
01:22:13
hourly rate you live again outrageous
01:22:15
outrageous I am after sitting down with
01:22:17
you for what it's been an hour 20 now
01:22:20
one thing I sh has it been an hour 20
01:22:22
when do you have to go okay what one
01:22:25
thing I'm confused about you ask a
01:22:26
publicist not me because you know she
01:22:29
actually has a job I know she she's got
01:22:32
a place to go yeah but is it still just
01:22:35
just checking in you know at the
01:22:36
beginning you said it's a what did you
01:22:39
say it's a dream having me here or an
01:22:40
honor dream guest gu dream guest and
01:22:42
would you do you tick that box now or
01:22:44
are you slightly disappointed 100% not
01:22:46
disappointed at all oh fantastic that's
01:22:48
great um one thing I'm confused about
01:22:51
you though so you like you do have
01:22:52
elements of a loner right where you love
01:22:55
you you love going to Palm Springs and
01:22:57
just going on road trips on your own and
01:22:59
your and your Mustang or going to your
01:23:00
farm on your own but also you um you you
01:23:04
do you love holding court and you tell a
01:23:06
fantastic story so it's you just have a
01:23:10
small social battery like you're happy
01:23:11
to well I love
01:23:15
theater you know I think I am quite
01:23:17
theatrical I love theater um do I love
01:23:20
holding Court I do hold Court
01:23:24
I don't know I suppose you need a little
01:23:26
bit of everything in your life a little
01:23:29
bit of several different things anyway
01:23:31
and maybe I wouldn't enjoy being on my
01:23:33
own as much if I was on my own all the
01:23:35
time maybe I
01:23:37
wouldn't how how do you and um your wife
01:23:40
do and make it work you just live live
01:23:42
sort of separate lives and sort of come
01:23:43
together oh we have a wonderful life
01:23:45
together yes and then she has certain
01:23:48
nooks and crannies that she loves to be
01:23:50
you know she's got her favorite places
01:23:53
um and I've got my favorite places and
01:23:55
we come together and we have a lovely
01:23:56
life so it's you know and
01:24:00
sometimes like like sometimes um I'll
01:24:04
visit her in her favorite places and
01:24:07
have a fantastic time and she'll visit
01:24:08
me in my favorite places and then we
01:24:10
live together in in lovely places so you
01:24:13
have like a like a matrimonial house yes
01:24:16
Alo places that sounds very that sounds
01:24:18
brid I should be spending the weekend in
01:24:21
my matrimonial house okay with my wife
01:24:25
for many years no I'm just like
01:24:28
elaborating here for clarity because
01:24:30
when you said we meet in places like
01:24:31
most normal people like a park or a
01:24:34
restaurant but you're talking resid no
01:24:36
yeah we have we have platforms and she
01:24:38
has platforms that she loves and I have
01:24:41
platforms I love and I like her
01:24:44
platforms and she likes my platforms and
01:24:47
then we have a platform that we live in
01:24:49
together so we spend a lot of time
01:24:51
together but we have a lot of time to
01:24:55
ourselves we give each other our own
01:24:57
space yeah yeah it's a perfect marriage
01:25:00
it's
01:25:01
beautiful yeah and it seems like it's um
01:25:04
it's been a good there was an there's an
01:25:05
article that's still online now from
01:25:07
2008 which you read back now
01:25:08
everything's still online has not has
01:25:11
not aged well though you were you [ __ ]
01:25:13
off at the time which one are we talking
01:25:15
about it's one where you're walking
01:25:17
you're walking through an airport lovely
01:25:18
Mo you know this is the whole thing you
01:25:22
know with with things like that I mean
01:25:23
we new New Zealand has not been known
01:25:26
for that sort of Paparazzi style you
01:25:29
know combat journalism um and I was
01:25:32
subject to that for a while
01:25:35
um cuz this article it says Paul said he
01:25:38
was having three months off breakfast to
01:25:40
spend time with his daughter now he's
01:25:41
going overseas with this woman that was
01:25:43
had an affair with Don Brash or
01:25:45
something like that so takes shots at
01:25:46
you shots at her yeah it's terrible it
01:25:49
was the same when they were you know at
01:25:51
the top of my drive and I mean you
01:25:52
mention outside my mother's you know
01:25:54
there was a moment in time cuz that was
01:25:57
all around those few years there was a
01:25:59
moment in time where there was a sort of
01:26:02
Paparazzi style attack journalism style
01:26:04
element particularly to the herald you
01:26:06
know largely down to Shane Curry
01:26:10
actually who funnily enough there was a
01:26:13
period in time where I mean and he
01:26:17
actually wrote about this where I told
01:26:20
him once I wouldn't give him the steam
01:26:22
off my piss
01:26:24
isn't that a lovely PHR and he quoted it
01:26:27
to me in an interview not so very long
01:26:29
ago and now I would actually give him
01:26:31
the steam of
01:26:34
my no we've I there was a time when I
01:26:37
would have wanted to bury the hatchet
01:26:39
right in him but now we've actually
01:26:40
buried it um but he you know I have
01:26:44
always admired him as a journalist um he
01:26:48
is a brilliant tabloid journalist of the
01:26:51
worst kind um and now he's moved on from
01:26:54
that and I've and I've moved on you know
01:26:56
he no
01:26:58
longer yeah pounds
01:27:00
me so is that his car out
01:27:06
there um so yeah December 16 um that's
01:27:10
when the Paul Henry show ends I I I
01:27:13
don't know if this is online but I
01:27:14
remember it clearly uh because that show
01:27:16
was a game changer and because I was in
01:27:18
um media works at the time I remember
01:27:21
over hearing who was the CEO at the time
01:27:23
was it sass turn
01:27:25
no BR no who was it [ __ ] it was well
01:27:28
after Brent right no was it no it was
01:27:32
was it Michael Anderson I think it was
01:27:34
pre Anderson maybe I anyway whoever it
01:27:36
was though though someone was saying no
01:27:38
I think it was Michael Anderson someone
01:27:40
was saying don't something like don't
01:27:41
bit the house on Paul he'll never stick
01:27:43
around long enough which is probably
01:27:45
fair enough and then there was some
01:27:46
friends of mine in engineering talking
01:27:49
about um some headbutting situation with
01:27:51
you because they wanted these like
01:27:54
microphones with long they're called
01:27:56
gooseneck microphones but you were very
01:27:59
very particular about the sort of
01:28:00
microphones you wanted and uh it turns
01:28:02
out you were correct aesthetically it
01:28:04
looked almost but but that was the thing
01:28:07
it was television for Christ's sake
01:28:09
Aesthetics matter you know I mean but
01:28:11
it's setting a Vibe it's part of the
01:28:13
theater like I tell you theater's very
01:28:14
important I mean everything about that
01:28:16
was important to me and people say that
01:28:18
you know you know oh Paul Paul Henry's
01:28:21
leaving you know he's you know I went
01:28:22
into that job and I told them how long I
01:28:25
would give it and I gave them I gave it
01:28:27
that long what was it three years five
01:28:29
years you know no it wasn't even that
01:28:30
long um because I told them I'd give
01:28:33
them I think it was three years or
01:28:34
something and then they said a that was
01:28:37
for the evening show which I loved I
01:28:39
just want the late night one the Paul
01:28:41
Henry show in the evening just wanted to
01:28:42
keep doing that I wanted to make that
01:28:44
more mine I wanted to just I loved it I
01:28:46
could have really done a lot with that
01:28:47
it really suited me um and you know the
01:28:50
set was amazing and I put a lot of
01:28:52
effort into that and they came to me and
01:28:55
said uh you know we really want you to
01:28:57
do a breakfast show and so I told them
01:29:00
I'll need lots more money but I'm only
01:29:02
going to do it within my existing
01:29:05
contract time frame so of course
01:29:08
everyone says oh here we are it's a year
01:29:09
later and he's already throwing in the
01:29:11
towel no actually this was the contract
01:29:14
I gave you and you agreed to that when I
01:29:15
came to do it um but that's you know
01:29:18
again it's just misrepresentation and
01:29:20
also to be fair like it set the platform
01:29:22
for what became the am show which is
01:29:24
it's been you moderately successful it's
01:29:25
been moderately successful I mean you
01:29:27
know the yeah I could have done it for
01:29:30
longer but I just didn't want to you
01:29:32
know I mean we were really making
01:29:33
inroads there was something magical
01:29:35
about that program there was something
01:29:36
magical and as soon as the am show
01:29:39
started the magic started to disappear
01:29:42
it wasn't [ __ ] you know and breakfast
01:29:46
was [ __ ] you it's terrible terrible
01:29:49
television for the money they spend on
01:29:51
it but the am show was wasn't [ __ ] but
01:29:55
just the magic started to disintegrate
01:29:57
because you've really got to like the
01:29:59
microphones are a good example oh but
01:30:00
this microphone would be better because
01:30:02
it's slightly better quality it's more
01:30:03
directional be able to do this and I
01:30:06
used to just say make it work this is
01:30:08
the look these are great microphones
01:30:11
make them work yeah but if we had this
01:30:13
make it work this is the microphone I
01:30:15
want I remember once ages ago I was
01:30:17
doing this is your life right Julie
01:30:19
chrusty Jesus you don't want to cross
01:30:22
her Dam Julie oh
01:30:24
is she a Dame yeah she is CHR yeah see
01:30:27
why am I
01:30:29
anyway how is it possible seriously look
01:30:32
at me now how is it possible you know it
01:30:34
feels how have I been overlooked it
01:30:35
feels like all your friends are as well
01:30:37
like s key there was a whole time when
01:30:41
the guest after guest on my boat they
01:30:43
were all nighters and I thought [ __ ] is
01:30:45
wrong it's my boat why am I not N I
01:30:47
should be nighted just for having so
01:30:49
many s on the boat even um even your
01:30:51
friend Peter Beck who's like 24 now know
01:30:54
Peter Beck he's barely out of
01:30:56
nappies um I love Peter Beck he's a
01:30:59
smart he's a smart guy anyway we say
01:31:02
yeah we no what was I saying we can't
01:31:04
miss this whole thing we're talking
01:31:06
about just your strength of convictions
01:31:07
when it comes to Julie Christie no cross
01:31:09
Julie Christie but here's the thing I
01:31:11
just remember this once I was doing this
01:31:13
as your life right we walk into the
01:31:15
studio looks amazing these this was in
01:31:18
the days when TV and Zed only counted
01:31:20
every second Penny and and judie was
01:31:22
very good because she was in a sense
01:31:24
very like me or was I very like her
01:31:26
whereas she knew what she wanted oh no
01:31:29
we were're going to have this oh yeah
01:31:30
but this is half the price and almost as
01:31:33
good yeah but we were going to have this
01:31:35
so anyway I walk into the studio and
01:31:37
there's a lot of pressure on this is
01:31:38
your life more than perhaps any other
01:31:40
program I've ever done it's a it's a
01:31:41
nightmare program to do you imagine
01:31:43
you're doing a program about one person
01:31:46
right the star of your show who is so
01:31:48
important in your show has no idea what
01:31:50
it's a show they don't even know what's
01:31:52
happening you've organized whole thing
01:31:54
and then you surprise them and all of
01:31:57
their friends who are just there because
01:31:59
they didn't know it was happening until
01:32:01
you organized it they're just there to
01:32:02
see them and surprise them and you
01:32:04
filled them with liquor and you put this
01:32:06
person who doesn't even want to be there
01:32:08
who's as nervous as buggery into a
01:32:10
studio full of people who are pissed
01:32:14
honestly it's just anyway that's a great
01:32:17
who yeah who did you who did you think
01:32:19
of the [ __ ] format you did AJ heck it
01:32:21
who else he was great um Jonah um wow
01:32:25
just a whole handful anyway
01:32:29
um I walk into the studio with her and
01:32:32
it's all done at the last minute because
01:32:33
obviously the whole studio this is a
01:32:35
it's a huge production um cost so much
01:32:39
money which is why no one does it now um
01:32:42
walk into the studio and she said what's
01:32:44
that I was standing there with her it
01:32:47
looked amazing like the set looked
01:32:49
amazing and she looked over and she said
01:32:51
to the guy the designer or whoever it
01:32:53
was what's that there he said oh that's
01:32:55
the star curtain you know what a star
01:32:56
curtain is right so it's just a curtain
01:32:58
of sparkly lights basically star curtain
01:33:01
so that's sparkly lights LEDs um this
01:33:05
was in the day when LEDs were oh my God
01:33:06
what's that how does that even work
01:33:09
um and the guy said oh that's the star
01:33:13
curtain and she said well that's not a
01:33:14
star curtain it looked like a star
01:33:17
curtain to me and she said no what
01:33:19
you've done there is you've just hung
01:33:21
sparkly lights on a black
01:33:24
[ __ ] and they said well yeah it's a star
01:33:27
curtain and she said no she said that's
01:33:29
just rows of Lights she said that's not
01:33:32
a star curtain at all I wanted a star
01:33:34
curtain and he said oh well um and this
01:33:36
is like hours before the whole thing
01:33:38
starts cuz it's all done at the last
01:33:40
minute well some parts of it have done
01:33:41
at the last minute and I thought oh well
01:33:44
it's not not quite right you know but
01:33:46
it's looks amazing and he said oh it
01:33:49
looks amazing and she said I wanted a
01:33:51
star curtain and I'm having a star
01:33:54
curtain he said well where am I going to
01:33:55
get a St I don't care that's not my my
01:33:58
job is not to get the star curtain it's
01:34:02
to insist on us having one and we got a
01:34:04
star curtain it was impossible he said
01:34:07
that I heard him say it's impossible
01:34:09
it's only a few hours it's impossible we
01:34:11
can't possibly get it and so what most
01:34:13
people would do is they go into a b plan
01:34:14
but she didn't you know she didn't go
01:34:17
into a b plan she said it's a star
01:34:20
curtain or it's nothing and there was a
01:34:22
star curtain there on the night she's
01:34:23
amazing you know do do you love her
01:34:26
respect her yeah yeah absolutely respect
01:34:28
her absolutely you know I mean that and
01:34:31
that taught me a lot and so when the guy
01:34:32
said oh you should have these goose neck
01:34:34
you know and and I said it looks like
01:34:39
[ __ ] you know and then there was this
01:34:41
other guy um right down towards God it
01:34:45
was a nightmare doing that show putting
01:34:47
it together cuz I was so it was me you
01:34:50
know I bled it like I do with almost
01:34:53
every I do you know I care about the
01:34:56
theater anyway um this guy towards the
01:34:59
end said I it's not going to be possible
01:35:02
it I it's just not going to be possible
01:35:03
to frame those microphones out you know
01:35:05
TV turn and frame them out and I
01:35:09
said what do you mean frame them out and
01:35:12
he said well they're just so big they're
01:35:13
right in the
01:35:14
way and I said they're the [ __ ]
01:35:17
microphones why would we want to frame
01:35:19
them out this is the set this is the way
01:35:22
it works and he said well you can't have
01:35:24
a great big microphone in front of you
01:35:26
on TV that that's um that's good though
01:35:28
and that's admirable um I I've always
01:35:31
believe been a bit more passive I've
01:35:32
been like oh some someone else is doing
01:35:34
their job they know better they must
01:35:35
know better even though I disagree with
01:35:37
it I'll roll with it and I still think
01:35:38
that to a degree like on traitors I
01:35:40
think that you know they're doing their
01:35:43
job you know they and I you can't do
01:35:45
everything neither should you do
01:35:46
everything you know and and and it's not
01:35:49
that I mean and I'll be honest with you
01:35:51
it's not that every single thing I think
01:35:54
is the best way to do it or the better
01:35:55
way to do it or it should be done that
01:35:57
way
01:35:59
but I really care you know when you
01:36:02
really care it's very hard to loosen the
01:36:05
grip on things the good thing about
01:36:07
traitors is I'm the host and even
01:36:09
although I overstep my boundaries so
01:36:10
many times I'm I'm the host that's my
01:36:14
job you know um but with like the Paul
01:36:17
Henry show and that that I'm ma that
01:36:19
mattered to me and people just
01:36:20
constantly let you down well your name
01:36:22
constantly yeah your name's on it it's
01:36:25
all care all responsibility and you know
01:36:27
there are a lot of things that I look
01:36:28
back I remember there was an interview
01:36:30
once that was I think it was North and
01:36:32
South magazine and they were
01:36:34
interviewing Don Brash after I think his
01:36:37
last enormous political defeat
01:36:41
um and no it might have been it might
01:36:44
have been when he lost as national
01:36:46
leader and he was out and he was in his
01:36:48
apartment down the viaduct or wherever
01:36:50
it was and they said to him what have
01:36:52
you learned from this experience and
01:36:55
he's more clever than you can shake a
01:36:57
stick at you know wasn't a great leader
01:36:59
but more clever than you can shake a
01:37:00
stick at and he said I've learned that
01:37:04
you have to recognize how much power
01:37:07
you've got while you've got it something
01:37:09
like that I'm putting words in but that
01:37:11
was roughly what he said and you think
01:37:12
about your own career how often is that
01:37:15
the case whereas you spend time waiting
01:37:18
for something before you do something
01:37:20
yeah not realizing that actually I've
01:37:23
got a hold all the cards now or I hold
01:37:26
enough cards now to do this and um and
01:37:29
and those are little regrets I've had at
01:37:31
different times when I should have just
01:37:33
said no that person doesn't work for me
01:37:35
it's not that's unacceptable I'm not
01:37:37
going to put up with that you know and
01:37:39
and it but you don't do that because you
01:37:42
think I'll give it another one the doubt
01:37:44
you I suppose it's a learning thing and
01:37:45
then you work with someone like um Dame
01:37:47
Julie Christie and you think okay I can
01:37:50
I can do this that's what Julie would do
01:37:52
um yeah she's a phenomenal
01:37:54
um okay we going to start wrapping this
01:37:56
up cuz it's an hour 38 okay well let's
01:37:58
do it let's do it like this thanks Tom
01:38:02
no there's more there's more by the way
01:38:04
it's worth pointing out as soon as you
01:38:05
walked into this room you looked around
01:38:06
and go there's nothing here that I hate
01:38:09
no no and I'm impressed and here's why
01:38:11
I'm impressed right this is you you've
01:38:14
done all of this you've taken control of
01:38:16
this I mean I'm ify on neon and is this
01:38:18
proper neon or is it no it's LED neon
01:38:21
it's NE no it's not Neon I don't think
01:38:23
it is what how do you what do you mean
01:38:25
well I don't think there's Neon gas in
01:38:26
there is there no there isn't no it's
01:38:28
and it's definitely fake brick it's fake
01:38:31
bre obvious yeah but I'm okay with that
01:38:33
cuz it's not but that's not you just
01:38:35
said it was neon it's not what from a
01:38:38
neon Place yeah well they branched out
01:38:41
oh you're thinking old Vegas neon well
01:38:43
neon I'm thinking you know what neon is
01:38:47
it's gas so it's it's glass tubes full
01:38:51
of Neon gas and this is not this is
01:38:54
plastic full of
01:38:56
LEDs but you know again what but but but
01:39:00
it's is it as good as neon probably it
01:39:03
doesn't have that you know what you want
01:39:04
you want
01:39:05
that you want
01:39:07
that you know where on the electricity
01:39:10
yeah yeah you want a few of these
01:39:12
letters maybe the E just to just to cut
01:39:15
out you know periodically but you can't
01:39:18
do that with LED well maybe you can who
01:39:20
knows um what you want to do I in fact I
01:39:22
don't even know if it's still there but
01:39:24
in Vegas they've got a place called the
01:39:25
Boneyard or at least they used to oh yes
01:39:27
they with all the old neon science from
01:39:29
old Vegas beautiful it's so cool you can
01:39:32
do a nighttime tour of it I've never
01:39:33
done the nighttime tour I've done a
01:39:35
daytime tour a couple of times it's so
01:39:37
cool I mean that the anyway that's one
01:39:39
of the places I love you know what are
01:39:41
you what are your thoughts on Aging so
01:39:43
you're you're 63 now you're almost 64
01:39:45
which is the the line from the famous
01:39:46
Beatle song yeah When I'm 64 will will
01:39:49
you still need me will you still feed me
01:39:51
think about that will still need me is
01:39:54
fine will you still feed me that's no
01:39:58
that's a serious line isn't it it is
01:40:00
it's a big who feeding you at the moment
01:40:02
that's a big call that was from um like
01:40:04
your girlfriend how old is she she's 301
01:40:07
years will she will she still need you
01:40:09
will she still feed you when you're
01:40:13
64 but you I saw her the other night I
01:40:16
don't know that she will feed you when
01:40:17
you're 64 no no she's she's wonderful
01:40:19
though like she's yeah um and she
01:40:23
probably thinks you're wonderful at the
01:40:25
moment when you're 64 and she's got a
01:40:27
bowl of GRL she's holding a bowl of GRL
01:40:30
that she's just made she's made herself
01:40:32
a beautiful steak but for you what she's
01:40:34
done is she's boiled it within inches of
01:40:37
its [ __ ] life and she's got it in a
01:40:39
bowl with some
01:40:41
rusks and and she's about to give it to
01:40:44
you and she
01:40:45
thinks I'm not going to feed him I'm
01:40:48
just not going to feed him I don't need
01:40:50
him why would I feed him anyway who
01:40:52
knows this is your private business it's
01:40:54
not for me to it's not for me to
01:40:56
question but you you well you your
01:40:58
previous guil Lindy there was a big agap
01:41:00
how how big was the not as big as
01:41:02
yours don't try and don't try and duck
01:41:04
and dive behind other
01:41:06
people um but you know I mean honestly
01:41:10
Dom maybe it'll
01:41:14
work oh we're cutting that but out no
01:41:18
you said you didn't cut anything you
01:41:20
said you didn't cut anything um no but I
01:41:23
over the years I've heard you do
01:41:24
interviews and you talk about um the
01:41:26
amount of good Summers you've got left
01:41:27
and the amount of heartbeats you've got
01:41:29
left um yeah what are you what do you
01:41:31
think what do what do you sort of mean
01:41:33
when you say that do you know what I
01:41:36
think it's hard people say oh I'm very
01:41:38
proud to be a New Zealander well I don't
01:41:39
know why because or or proud to be from
01:41:42
any country because you didn't choose it
01:41:44
it's not something you did you just are
01:41:46
a New Zealander can you be proud of
01:41:48
something you had no involvement in um
01:41:51
and so the reason I say that is I don't
01:41:53
know that you can actually say I'm
01:41:55
really proud to be old because you're
01:41:58
old you know although to a degree I
01:42:00
haven't died
01:42:02
earlier yeah yeah so so I suppose I did
01:42:05
have an involvement in it because I
01:42:07
could have died earlier and when you get
01:42:08
to I tell you a thing about 63 you won't
01:42:10
know that this yet although you've
01:42:11
probably lost friends already at your
01:42:13
age but I've lost friends and
01:42:15
acquaintances who haven't made it this
01:42:17
far down the track I don't know how far
01:42:19
I'm going to make it but I don't mind
01:42:22
being my age thank God I mean how it's
01:42:25
so sad people that try not to be their
01:42:27
age um I think I probably look about 63
01:42:32
I don't think I look older than 63 let
01:42:35
me have a check I think I think I think
01:42:37
you good for your age and and these
01:42:39
glasses make me look a bit
01:42:41
older anyway what I'm saying is
01:42:44
I I I don't mind you know I am my age
01:42:48
and and I don't want to hide my age um
01:42:52
and in a way I'm look forward to that
01:42:55
day I remember once years ago I was
01:42:57
going to the ASB Bank and remuera right
01:43:00
I think it was the ASB yeah and it used
01:43:02
to be up the top of some steps there
01:43:03
were about six steps right and I was
01:43:06
walking out of the bank there' been a
01:43:08
queue and I was standing in the queue
01:43:10
came out finally got to the front you
01:43:11
know walked out very unsatisfying
01:43:13
experience being at the ASB um but
01:43:16
that's banking yeah speaking at the end
01:43:18
of you know you're lying on your
01:43:19
deathbed right you're about to die no
01:43:22
one visits you you and says you know in
01:43:26
the last 70 years or however old you are
01:43:30
do you realize you've spent the
01:43:31
equivalent of 16 months in cues at the
01:43:35
post office at we're going to give you
01:43:36
that 16 month no one's going to do that
01:43:38
right so every time you're standing in a
01:43:40
queue for some useless [ __ ] piece of
01:43:42
[ __ ] remember that that's your life
01:43:44
ticking away you know like you're at n
01:43:46
leing right and you've and you've said
01:43:49
oh I will buy that whatever that lump of
01:43:51
electrical thingers and take it to some
01:43:53
counter and you're standing in a queue
01:43:55
and they say oh sorry to keep you
01:43:56
waiting you know what you should say is
01:43:59
no it's my life my heartbeats are on
01:44:02
that carpet over there you know where
01:44:04
are you going to be when I'm dying you
01:44:05
[ __ ] you know but it's not their
01:44:07
fault they're on minimum wage we're
01:44:10
anyway um anyway so what about um what I
01:44:15
was saying was I walk out of the bank
01:44:18
right and sedman
01:44:20
Hillary is climbing up these steps
01:44:24
and I stand there and I wait because I'm
01:44:26
very good to older people and he was
01:44:29
actually I think quite a nice old person
01:44:30
I knew him a bit um and you mustn't
01:44:33
confuse old people for nice people
01:44:36
because old people are not nice because
01:44:39
they're old if they were nice and they
01:44:40
got old they're nice old people if they
01:44:42
were shitty and they got old they were
01:44:44
shitty old people you know but a lot of
01:44:45
people think oh look at that nice old
01:44:47
person no think again anyway what I'm
01:44:50
saying is I know that yeah I really like
01:44:52
Anyway gets to the top top and I said
01:44:54
you know we we're we weren't friends we
01:44:56
were acquaintances he gets to the top
01:44:57
and I said you're not that bastard off
01:45:00
you know it was just a lovely line many
01:45:02
people must have said it to him we had a
01:45:04
bit of a laugh and everything like that
01:45:05
and then he went and he joined the end
01:45:06
of the queue and I thought when I get to
01:45:09
his age I'm going to walk in and I'm
01:45:12
going to say I am very very old I do not
01:45:17
have enough time to stand in a queue and
01:45:21
I'm going to walk right to the front
01:45:24
well he's he's on the $5 note if he
01:45:26
can't jump the queue nobody can think
01:45:28
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah [ __ ] that's a
01:45:30
great story what a y it's a mixed up
01:45:32
story it and it was overly long long and
01:45:34
I apologize for that no that's fine um
01:45:36
what about a backet list or a to-do list
01:45:39
is there anything that you haven't done
01:45:40
that you really want to do no no I mean
01:45:43
there are things that I'll still do
01:45:44
obviously but most of the things but
01:45:46
once you get to well with me I don't
01:45:48
won't say once you get to my ede because
01:45:49
it's not true of everyone but I've I've
01:45:52
collected things I like to do and so now
01:45:54
I just want to do them more what like
01:45:57
travel and yeah but travel God you know
01:46:01
that's a 12 people say travel oh yeah
01:46:04
cuz what I want to do is spend more time
01:46:05
at airports that's what I want to oh God
01:46:08
if only I could spend more time at
01:46:09
airports because airports are the
01:46:11
funnest places in the world oh you did
01:46:13
say you wanted to go to Turkey yeah I
01:46:15
like turkey this is why I've got a
01:46:17
publicist she reminds you of things I
01:46:19
mean I don't desperately want to go to
01:46:21
Turkey but but you know I mean there are
01:46:24
places but but at the end of the day I
01:46:26
mean travel I know where I want to go
01:46:30
but you haven't seen I hate no I know
01:46:33
but you're fine with that but well are
01:46:34
you going to be able to see everywhere
01:46:35
before you die so so where are you going
01:46:38
to be happy well half of everywhere well
01:46:40
I'm the same I'm a I'm a creature of
01:46:41
habit and yeah yeah yeah and you've got
01:46:43
to be careful and my daughters say this
01:46:45
often you know I'll I'll take them quite
01:46:46
often I'll take them to Vegas and I'll
01:46:48
say I'm going to take you to this great
01:46:49
show and they'll say to me have you seen
01:46:50
it before well yeah it's great you're
01:46:52
going to love but well why don't we go
01:46:53
to something you haven't seen cuz I
01:46:54
don't like it's too risky RIS it's the
01:46:57
same with restaurants it I'm ordering a
01:46:59
new item on the menu and then I should
01:47:01
have got the fedini I know the love the
01:47:03
fedini [ __ ] look at this [ __ ] I'm not
01:47:06
paying for this um what about um regrets
01:47:10
any regrets or two few to mention no I
01:47:13
mean if I have I've forgotten them yeah
01:47:15
and are you are you happy and content no
01:47:18
well that's hard to say though isn't it
01:47:21
is anyone I mean if you're happy and
01:47:23
content I mean happy yes content I mean
01:47:25
contentment is a funny thing isn't it
01:47:28
contentment is perilously close to death
01:47:30
isn't it really oh there's someone in a
01:47:33
coma I bet they're content and I bet
01:47:35
every single person in a coma is content
01:47:38
cuz the two things are synonymous aren't
01:47:41
they really but happy yes you're more
01:47:44
happy than unhappy because if you say oh
01:47:46
yeah yeah oh absolutely I'm happy but
01:47:48
when you say content it's a funny thing
01:47:50
isn't it it's like saying is Everything
01:47:52
is Everything right well is everything
01:47:54
always going to be right the black
01:47:57
stripes on my Shelby on my Mustang right
01:48:00
have already started to peel off in just
01:48:02
a few years that annoys me I am not
01:48:06
content with
01:48:09
that write a letter start a group aoup a
01:48:13
group that was a great line that's a
01:48:15
great line the whole this is back to the
01:48:16
mustach great mustach on a lady thing
01:48:19
you watch the whole YouTube clip it's
01:48:20
quite captivating and it has very little
01:48:22
to do with the lady with the almost
01:48:25
nothing it's more it's the three or four
01:48:26
minutes afterwards it's um reading out
01:48:28
emails reading out that email and that
01:48:30
person said so and so and I just said I
01:48:32
ended it by just saying start a group
01:48:34
phenomenal because that's what people do
01:48:35
now it's a great line it's a great and
01:48:37
then that Mr vintage or whoever that
01:48:39
t-shirt company was I don't know if
01:48:40
they're still in business but they came
01:48:42
out with a whole range of t-shirts start
01:48:43
a group how good that which I didn't get
01:48:47
any royalties for but yeah it's a great
01:48:50
line star aou yeah exactly it's the
01:48:53
perfect I didn't get any R starter group
01:48:55
well this has been wonderful today [ __ ]
01:48:57
then there's um I you know this is long
01:49:00
form uh I feel like no this is this is
01:49:02
Marathon form yeah no we we still just
01:49:05
scratched the yeah when when you've got
01:49:07
someone that's interesting in front of
01:49:08
you that 63 and has lived a hell of a
01:49:10
it's just life F yeah but we're still
01:49:12
just like scratching the surface of the
01:49:14
Paul Henry story like we haven't even
01:49:15
talked about your your nudism and you
01:49:18
know so many other bits nudism is a
01:49:19
wonderful thing I'll just say this about
01:49:21
it right
01:49:23
no one cares what anyone else looks like
01:49:25
fundamentally now that I'm still a
01:49:28
beautiful woman walks to the pool naked
01:49:30
and you're interested to look at her
01:49:32
right
01:49:34
a person walks to the pool naked and
01:49:37
you're really interested to look at them
01:49:39
do you know what I mean like because
01:49:41
it's a one you know all of a sudden it's
01:49:43
a window into someone else's life no
01:49:45
seriously but
01:49:47
fundamentally everyone cares what they
01:49:49
look like to themselves and everyone
01:49:51
thinks when you're in mud to start with
01:49:54
you all think oh everyone's going to be
01:49:55
looking at me actually the opposite is
01:49:57
true almost no one's looking at you
01:49:59
everyone's thinking oh how do I look
01:50:01
yeah I think it's like a metaphor for
01:50:03
life people stop doing things because
01:50:04
they wonder what other people will think
01:50:05
but actually everyone's the same as you
01:50:07
they just everyone's thinking oh God
01:50:08
what's someone going to think of that
01:50:09
100% where where did that begin though
01:50:11
where did where did the nudism start it
01:50:13
started with a casual conversation from
01:50:15
some acquaintances of mine who talked
01:50:17
about going to this particular place um
01:50:20
and they didn't realize it was a nudus
01:50:21
place but they were booked in and they
01:50:23
went there and they were surprised how
01:50:26
just natural all seemed and how it was
01:50:28
so different to their preconceptions of
01:50:30
it and they said that to me and I
01:50:33
thought oh that's you know and it just
01:50:35
prayed on my mind a bit and then purely
01:50:37
this was in the United States purely
01:50:40
coincidentally
01:50:42
um maybe a year later or sometime later
01:50:45
I was on a road trip vaguely in that
01:50:48
area and I thought God that's close to
01:50:51
so I looked it up on my phone phone and
01:50:54
um booked
01:50:55
in next minute you're a
01:50:59
nudist and it's it's honestly it's so
01:51:02
there it's just lovely it's just lovely
01:51:05
I'm not into that thing
01:51:07
where like naturists I'm not a naturist
01:51:10
people play tennis and go hiking again
01:51:12
yeah you know there are reasons why you
01:51:14
wear clothes for tennis and there are
01:51:16
reasons why you wear clothes to hike um
01:51:19
particularly in the scalding desert uh
01:51:22
but you know for swimming and sunbathing
01:51:25
why would you have clothes on like why
01:51:27
but is it about CU you you're Place some
01:51:29
Palm Swings it's like a gated community
01:51:30
for for nudus is is it about the um the
01:51:34
freedom of just being naked yourself in
01:51:35
your own house and in your own backyard
01:51:37
or is it about the camaraderie of being
01:51:39
nude with others whole collection of
01:51:40
things really I mean camaraderie is a
01:51:42
funny thing isn't
01:51:45
it with I feel a camaraderie with my
01:51:48
naked friends
01:51:50
um but no it's just it's just natural it
01:51:53
just seems so natural and and here's the
01:51:56
thing when it gets cold you put clothes
01:51:58
on cuz there's a reason for that you
01:52:00
know there's a reason people wear
01:52:02
clothes and again it comes back to the
01:52:03
tennis and the hiking thing there's a
01:52:04
reason why people wear clothes um funny
01:52:08
enough I do play pingpong naked we have
01:52:11
a seems like a lowrisk sport it's a
01:52:13
lowrisk sport it still requires a lot of
01:52:16
jux position of the body and your body
01:52:18
doesn't change direction at one speed
01:52:22
some parts of your body change direction
01:52:24
at a different rate and you're already
01:52:26
going back the other way while that part
01:52:28
of the body is still going in the
01:52:29
opposite direction but anyway how does
01:52:31
it look who would know I've never
01:52:33
watched
01:52:35
um geez this has been very entertaining
01:52:38
yeah there was just one thing about
01:52:39
nudity I was going to say and now it
01:52:41
slipped my mind all you as so often
01:52:44
happens in a conversation you yeah have
01:52:46
you you found that's always been a thing
01:52:48
or has this happened as youve as you've
01:52:50
got into your 60s funny you should say
01:52:51
that cuz I was talking about this with
01:52:52
my wife the other day um and I think
01:52:56
it's not I don't think it's Alzheimer's
01:52:58
um the mere fact that I can say that I
01:53:00
don't think it is probably means it
01:53:01
isn't um but I think as you get older I
01:53:03
think it is you know you don't want to
01:53:05
worry about recall taking a little
01:53:07
longer or sometimes the grasping for
01:53:09
that word and I've always grasped for
01:53:11
words I've got a very broad vocabulary
01:53:14
and I think the broader your vocabulary
01:53:15
the more words there are in there and
01:53:18
perhaps the harder it is to grasp for
01:53:19
the right one and I think it does take
01:53:21
slightly longer
01:53:23
I think that's just one of the things of
01:53:24
getting old and having more stuff
01:53:26
there God I wish you had more of a more
01:53:29
of a stage or platform whatever you want
01:53:31
to call it this is great for me no not
01:53:34
like a would you want to do like a
01:53:35
weekly podcast or something no no no I
01:53:39
couldn't think of well I can think of
01:53:40
worse things open heart surgery um but
01:53:44
but no I wouldn't want to do that again
01:53:46
I wouldn't do daily weekly monthly
01:53:48
so what's uh yeah final question then
01:53:51
like what's like what's what's your ego
01:53:53
like or your relationship with ego you
01:53:55
you must have one like a an it to be I
01:53:57
think everyone does CU I think that's
01:53:59
another thing that's on the Continuum
01:54:01
you know I don't think there anyone that
01:54:02
has no ego at all because I think that
01:54:04
would mean you didn't care about
01:54:06
anything at all ever um but but because
01:54:09
I fundamentally don't care what people
01:54:11
think about me I think that's where ego
01:54:13
comes from I think minor probably and
01:54:16
and there'll be a lot of people who will
01:54:18
hear word of this and that maybe will
01:54:20
write or comment and say way and say ah
01:54:24
Henry there was something I saw I did
01:54:27
this speech and one of the people wrote
01:54:29
oh there isn't a camera Henry doesn't
01:54:31
like you know if they had if they had
01:54:33
any idea how many camera opportunities I
01:54:36
turned down on a weekly basis but I just
01:54:39
laugh at that and I think you know that
01:54:40
has given you just saying that my job is
01:54:44
done you know you you've actually you've
01:54:47
got out of your whatever kind of tunnel
01:54:50
you live in and and you've you know used
01:54:52
your fingers presumably to type
01:54:54
something down and then it's given you
01:54:56
some enjoyment so so you do have this
01:54:59
desire to be center of attention but
01:55:01
it's a very very small desire like it's
01:55:02
a Slither if it was a pie it's a like a
01:55:05
very small I don't have to be center of
01:55:07
attention much much to be completely
01:55:09
over overa by having been it you know I
01:55:13
mean I love just being on my own just
01:55:17
unrecognized by the no one around me you
01:55:20
know how do you get recognized these
01:55:22
days like when you're in New Zealand it
01:55:24
must still happen a lot what do people
01:55:26
say what do they do well I've never been
01:55:28
particularly approachable you know I've
01:55:30
never been like an enormously I disagree
01:55:33
no well I think I'm going to need to go
01:55:35
we you do people do that
01:55:39
sometimes no but do people do that
01:55:41
sometimes in your be the but the the
01:55:44
other day remember when yeah people do
01:55:46
honk and they honk and some people are
01:55:48
lovely and and and the people that
01:55:49
aren't I'm I'm not looking anyway I I
01:55:52
don't know that they aren't all right
01:55:54
we'll wrap this up so you can go we I
01:55:56
need to go we've got through almost a
01:55:57
bottle of roaring me this has been
01:55:59
fantastic as I said at the beginning and
01:56:01
I um I think I said during it as well
01:56:03
dream guest and you have not
01:56:04
disappointed I've been a big fan of
01:56:05
yours forever and I'm so glad we finally
01:56:08
made this happen fantastic Dom thank you
01:56:11
fantastic no thank you
01:56:13
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