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Mark Hunter Richardson welcome to my
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podcast yeah thank you very much for
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having me you know this is it's quite an
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honor is it actually well I've heard
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about this podcast you know many many
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times you've had some great guests and
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it's one of the more well-known ones I
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guess around in New Zealand well I I
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appreciate that and um I'm not just
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saying this uh you for me are a dream
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guest oh really yeah yeah yeah we've
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worked together over the years I I
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wouldn't describe us as as friends but
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our we worked in the same building and I
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always um enjoyed our little if we were
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making coffees at the same time we
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always have a little chat about running
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and I always enjoyed our little
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conversations well had similar interests
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yeah that's the thing Clint Randall who
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was my co-host he he came back to the
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studio one morning he said oh I was just
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uh in the bathroom the same time as the
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tools down guy from the Block and [ __ ]
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he's he's nothing like that in real
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life only people are surprised when they
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meet you cuz you're quite gregarious on
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TV and in real life you're quite sort of
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I don't know introverted I guess I think
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a lot of people are like that yeah I
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mean you're a magnification yourself I
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think you have to be in broadcasting or
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you come across as a little FL
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um and then you can you can put on top
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of that the Persona I created or the
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brand that I tried to create via Crow go
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wild and then and then the am show
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people you know thought I must have been
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a complete
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[ __ ] and I hope I hope when they got
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to know me you know they realized that's
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that's not the case a lot of it is
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performance as you know you well it it
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has to be yeah it has to be like an
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extension of yourself or like a
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character to a degree because otherwise
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it's just [ __ ] boring yeah my when I
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did the crow ghost wild I tried to work
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on the brand that I'm going to be
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everything that I would love to be but
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could never be and that's what I worked
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on so who who is the real Mark
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Richardson
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then always find you quite charming and
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friendly I I think home bod for a start
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um pretty conservative very conservative
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um competitive and driven and wanting to
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succeed but um without a doubt probably
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quite quite shy in a social setting you
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know I get very nervous um going into a
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room full of people I don't know and I
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think for a long time there that
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shyness you know often got Mis misu as
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as um was arrogance maybe you know but
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yeah that's something that I've always
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hoped I have not been and never really
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taken anything that's happened that's
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been positive for granted no I've never
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I've never thought you were arrogant um
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a fun fun person a guy that doesn't take
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himself too seriously a guy that can
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take the P but also a guy that can be
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incredibly serious when he needs to be
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yeah I hope just been a you know been
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able to read the situation and deliver
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what's needed to be delivered um but
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you're laughing I think the New Zealand
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psyche likes people who can laugh at
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themselves but in terms of that on
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Persona it was it was always a a big
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magnification of myself and when the
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read light on the camera wasn't on uh or
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the microphone you know I I tended to
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tend to be quite
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reserved yeah you and I we've got um
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quite a few things in common so we we're
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both introverts um both sort of loners I
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I love being on my own uh home bodies as
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well and and hates hates crowds yeah I
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saw some Instagram stories last week so
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the um the last um Media Company you and
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I both worked for was media works it was
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the media weeks Christmas party and I
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saw a few stories there and I was
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thinking oh I've got a bit of fomo but
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the reality is if I was still working
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there I wouldn't have even gone
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no I I think I went to my first
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Christmas party that I've been to for a
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long time um when I went to the for sou
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bar one uh you know I I tended to avoid
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those sort of social settings you know
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youd stand around sort of trying to make
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small talk with people it just it
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doesn't it really doesn't come naturally
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yeah yeah when I'm when I'm at those
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things all I'm thinking about is how
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quickly I can leave without how long do
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I have to stay here and and not and for
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it not to be noticed when I when I leave
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yeah yeah so that's your that's your
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role now you you're now a financial
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advisor at foresight bar yeah so big
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change big change so yeah an investment
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advisor there uh so I guess sheer broker
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and old money but that's not really how
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it's done nowadays um always had an
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interest in finance and got an
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opportunity to do it and obviously going
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through um still going through the
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accreditation process but I I am a a
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registered financial advisor so I can
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give sort of financial advice um but
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when it comes to maybe you know the
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wider sense um you know you're under
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supervision there for quite some time
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because they can't just let you loose to
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make to make all sorts of mistakes you
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know because you're representing the the
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uh the company so um you know it's it's
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if I do anything it's under the very
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very watchful gaze of some pretty pretty
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clued up people there this is a really
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interesting third so I'd say it's like a
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third act so there's the cricket career
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wildly successful
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media career wildly successful and um
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hopefully the same now but it's a um it
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seems like an unusual like drastic pivot
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from what you were doing let's say you
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have three careers in life so I'm on to
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the third and final one and I need to
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make it work yeah oh well you well I
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mean your track record would suggest it
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will work it's interesting you say you
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know successful broadcasting career I I
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like don't feel like it was that
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successful are you [ __ ] kidding me I
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guess I I guess when you're in it it's
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an industry whereby I don't think you
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realize what you have got you you might
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be on prime time TV and radio or what
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have you um you know in two different
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things but you but you're always sort of
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going why AR I doing that why I on that
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show oh you always want more yeah you
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always want more I think it's just that
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insecurity of it all yeah when I look
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back for my sport there's some there's
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some things that I I I you know were
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disappointed I didn't achieve but when I
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do look back at my Cricket career I go
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yeah you you succeeded you overachieved
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without a doubt I feel I overachieved in
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in the sporting sense um but in the
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broadcasting no I just I feel I never
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really reached where I wanted to to get
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to and and then realized that that
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wasn't going to happen so are you I mean
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you're still doing Cricut stuff this um
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podcast today was set up by um the
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wonderful lemily at tvnz so you're doing
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uh cricket commentary is that the only
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media sort of stuff you're doing you've
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completely turned your back on it now
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pretty pretty much I mean a lot of that
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decision was made for me I can't claim
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that you know I said not interested cuz
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the work dried up so um but yeah I love
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the cricket commentary that's my passion
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um and you know don't I would probably
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do it for free no hear
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that I'm
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not I absolutely love it and and I'm so
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lucky now that I can have this other
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opportunity and another career which
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hopefully I can still be doing in 10
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years time and succeeding at and and you
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know at least for the next three years
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TV and Z have the rights and hopefully
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I'll be involved in that because I I
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just love I love I have a real passion
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for for Cricket commentary really do
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well this is a massive loss for New
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Zealand um media I
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think uh I don't think they think
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that well no it just does I'm guessing
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it's been a rough year for you so you um
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you doing the am show and then there
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were changes there then today F came
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along that only lasted a year um the
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Project's gone as well what's happening
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with the block well the block is
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officially on hold um because the market
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was down they wanted they really didn't
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want to take the risk of having unsold
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properties long story short but when
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when the when the network also became
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the production company then having
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having unsold properties was not good it
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it was eating it would eat into
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commercial Revenue so um the model
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changed a little bit so they put it on
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hold and that's the last I've heard of
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it haven't really even heard been that
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was was over a year ago and haven't had
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any correspondence since then as to or
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an update whether even considering it
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and I've I guess I've been forced to
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move on well yeah I mean you can only
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tread water for so long can't you you
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really need to sort of like draw a line
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in the sand I guess and get on with your
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life well I I I I need a life and I
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can't put it on hold and the hope that
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you know I can I can when the block
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comes back I can do it um but that phone
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call hasn't come yet um I I don't know
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if it will come back a lot of there's a
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lot of water has flowing under the
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bridge but right now I've heard nothing
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and and I've moved on with with another
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chapter you you you're such a positive
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guy but there must have been um times
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over the past year where I don't know
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you've been you're bitter
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resentful depressed
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upset yeah but everything um it was
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tough because it did it you know I just
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it it just all dried up and and it
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wasn't like I think I was doing a bad
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job
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I thought the the shows I was involved
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in were doing well and then boom they
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just they weren't there and you get
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thanks thanks for your time and and good
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luck and I don't I don't like not having
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my path mapped down front of me I like
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to see it and all of a sudden it was you
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know there was what am I doing where am
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I going and and I think the frustration
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was the fact that I felt that I was
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doing a good job it's not like I was
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failing at at any of those gigs um
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certain things commercial realities
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transpired I guess and boom you're out
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on your ass um I I I I I did have
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contact with Mike King from IM ho just
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couple of things couple of texts and he
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was fantastic he is so good at checking
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in on people eh yeah and and it was just
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nice to know there's someone there who
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lives in that space who cares about
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other people and you know what they
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might be going through and it was just
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nice to connect with someone I wouldn't
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say that I descended into any level of
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depression um but it it was it was just
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tough because I just felt like what had
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happened while I understand it happens
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in the industry that we've been involved
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and it just felt a little unfair at the
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time and so very sudden and so very
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quick um it just took a bit to get my
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head around but really I I absolutely
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blessed and lucky that um another
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opportunity um came around and an
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opportunity that I mean I I would love
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to be doing what I'm doing now but I
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thought that boat had sailed at my age I
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was never going to pick up another you
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know another proper career and like I'm
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in you know well and truly in finance
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now I thought that boat had sailed and
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and all of a sudden realized it hadn't
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and um you know I'm trying to grab onto
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with both
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hands oh no doubt you'll be successful
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at it hope it seems like um you doing a
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bit of research for this podcast it's
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like your your your superpower is hard
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work and working out what needs to be
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done and then and then just doing it and
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it seems like you did that very well
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with um Cricut and then with
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broadcasting and I can't see how this is
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going to be any different I reckon I'm
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working harder than I ever worked at
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University in an academic nature right
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now I spent hours and hours studying um
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companies studying
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macroeconomics um you know reading
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reports on this doing there's a lot of
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compliance a lot of testing a lot of
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examining a lot of accreditations to go
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through um you can't you can't get
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through the early stages of of this
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career without actually accumulating
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quite a lot of of knowledge um the
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industry demands it of you now um and
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and that's you know I am I'm having to
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really I go home exhausted you know you
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go home from doing a radio show or a TV
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show time for the performance value of
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it I go home
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exhausted um let your brain because you
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just be thinking so hard about stuff so
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and and I I enjoy it yeah it's it's cool
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cuz there is that saying that you can't
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teach an old dog new tricks but you
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actually can the old dog just needs to
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be prepared to learn the new tricks yeah
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and the industry that I'm moving into
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there's no harm in being having life
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experience because you're you it is
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relationship based people are trust in
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you with with their money with their
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nest egg and yes they can trust it maybe
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to a a 25y old hot shot but I think if
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you can you know a lot of lot of clients
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are a little bit older and if you can if
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you can resonate with them and connect
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with them on a personal level I think
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this it's easier to get that element of
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trust that that you need and I I have to
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go through a little bit of a rebanding
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thing because it's it's one thing
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everyone sort of goes oh you'll be
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really good at this you'll be really
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good at this um because the connection I
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have and what I've done in in life and
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that just puts that that pressure of
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expectation on my shoulders you know
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wanting to live up to those expectations
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but I I know damn well that you know
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when
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I've that that I I'm taking this
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seriously and I'm not Mark Richardson
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the broadcaster any longer the blokey BR
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no I need people to to see me as as Mark
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Richardson the bloke who understands the
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share markets and the debt markets and
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macroeconomics and you can trust me with
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your coin because I'm not going to do
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something done with it yeah well if you
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got a million dollars to invest you
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don't necessarily want to give it to the
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guy that that said on live TV he took a
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dump off the back of a jet ski did you
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yeah sorry for pretty bad up yeah there
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was a need at the time that had to be
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addressed and you know I knew I knew
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that the laws I knew I needed to be in a
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certain depth and certain
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um um a certain distance offshore so
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there was a that was meticulous yeah and
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and thought that went into it to make
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sure that I didn't um I didn't break any
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compliance regulations oh good on you I
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um we'll we'll double back around we'll
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go we'll go back and talk about Cricket
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a little bit and then um maybe move
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forward with the career stuff as well um
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there won't be any uh deep or insightful
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cricket stuff here because I know very
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little about it but I have done some
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research so your nicknames um there's
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riger yeah short for riger Morse yeah
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why is that because I have the Speed and
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Agility of a dead person pretty much
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stiff in
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agile um hopeless Fielder and it was
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Shane bond in about mid 90s so this is
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going back to when I was actually quite
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a young man as well uh he nicknamed me
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rig mortis cuz he just thought I just
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looked like an old
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stff you're you're very self-deprecating
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though like in in your book as well
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which I've got a copy of thinking
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negatively um like you you downplayed
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just how good you
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were and and what what you did don't you
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think when I look back I'm really proud
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of what I check yeah yeah yeah you know
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and the fact that I took some of the
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world's best Bowlers on and
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succeeded um I was disappointed but I
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let myself down on Australia and and
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that that irks me but yeah like I'm
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pretty proud when I look back in my
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Cricket career and what I achieved I'm
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I'm pretty damn proud um it's just not
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it's just not New Zealand it's just not
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accepted in New Zealand for me to go
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like I I would say it on ear oh it was
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brilliant leg absolute Legend one of
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possibly New Zealand's greatest ever
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open better but people know I'm saying
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that self depr you know what is it
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self self depreciating one of and
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another one you name is
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donut uh yeah Kenzie gave that to me uh
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so this Chris Ken so yeah was a teammate
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of yours and his dad Lance was one of
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your coaches yeah yeah so this was this
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was this that goes right back that's a
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good one to find actually where'd you
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find that name in the forward of your
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book oh okay I think he gave that to me
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in the under 19s and I was always a
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little bit younger in those some of
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those sides Kenzie was a bit older and I
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was a typical stupid kid just dumb so
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donut was like there's there's nothing
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in the middle yeah which is fair enough
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in those days you know and and he I
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noticed he calls you Richie yeah that
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does anyone call you Richie no you'd
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have to go back people call me Richie
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goes right back to the early years and
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then that more often too well then
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became rigger um and a lot of people in
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the street call me rer and I I sort of
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like it see it as a term of D and I like
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the fact that so just fans or punters um
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feel they have the right to call me by
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my nickname which I find is um it it's
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it's quite humbling that you know they
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they feel that they can do that yeah you
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know oh it's a massive tomb of
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endearment yeah um but I mean the
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reality is like you you weren't that
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slow um and then you you started running
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like you and I bonded over some running
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chats you you got quite good with your
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marathons like just you never broke
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three hours but you're on the sort of
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cusp I had the you know when you do your
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because I could do I did a one 121 for a
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half which is quick 121 yeah that's like
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3 minute 50k Pace or you do if you do a
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121 you should have the fitness to be
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able to run a sub you took him probably
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250 sort of there but I would cramp
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would get me I I had some struct ual
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issues I think and um and I I would get
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to about the 38k mark and Kaboom I'd be
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running my 415 Pace um and the minute it
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started to feel tough and you had to
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work uh I would just I would cramp and
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that that would be and I just hobble
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back for I think about 305 was about the
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best I did just watch those minutes
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slipping away yeah but when it came to
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the sprinting like and being
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slow I I always felt I could get over
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100 okay but but Cricket is a about
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running short distances and bending down
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and being able to move and pick up balls
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and swoop and I couldn't do that I
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literally had to run over to the ball
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and they had a step ladder to climb down
00:17:38
to pick it up just didn't just didn't
00:17:40
have that that agility you oh yeah you
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see you mentioned the cramp thing in um
00:17:44
in the the um perspective of marathon
00:17:46
running before um there's that famous
00:17:48
clip online of of you you cramping and
00:17:51
when you're on Crow go wild it was
00:17:52
played like every other night um how's
00:17:54
that is that hilarious or embarrassing I
00:17:56
still laugh at it do you
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I I mean it was so painful yeah yeah
00:18:01
I've had CR before it's it's
00:18:03
excruciating it feels like you're being
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shot in that body part oh good God it
00:18:06
was it was horrendous and I was so
00:18:09
dehydrated cuz I had the old Del belly
00:18:12
going into that test so I was pretty
00:18:13
dehydrated and you know no one notices
00:18:16
the score tick about 230 something for
00:18:18
one so I've been out there for quite
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some time and and it just yeah like my
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body was stuff going into it so it just
00:18:25
it just shut down I could cramp playe
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that shot was the only shot I could play
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to get runs at that point I'm in the 90s
00:18:31
I to get to 100 and and I was cramping
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and when I'd stretch my C out i' I'd
00:18:37
cramping my quads so was literally lying
00:18:40
there sort of in a neutral position
00:18:41
which doesn't really stop the pain and I
00:18:44
couldn't I just stretch hamy out quad
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would go start to sort of bend the quad
00:18:48
hamy would go again it was just
00:18:50
horrendous and then not long after that
00:18:52
when I got into the marathons I I had
00:18:54
the same same sort of issues with the
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cramp I'd go my hammies and I can
00:18:58
remember coming up the Finish shoot at
00:19:00
Victoria Park here and the ground
00:19:03
announcer or the announcer is you know
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calling people in go comes Mar sort of
00:19:07
yeah I remember don't cramp rer and then
00:19:09
boom I got this massive massive out of
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cramp I'd be dealing with it for the
00:19:14
last couple of Cs and he's go ah there
00:19:17
he is yeah haming it up and I I'm not
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haming it up I'm I'm actually c i he
00:19:21
thought you were doing at Mark richon
00:19:23
par I actually stumbled across the line
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and had to be carried from the from the
00:19:27
line to out the end of the shoot by
00:19:30
John's ambulance that's humiliating
00:19:31
there's a lot of people may shoot at the
00:19:33
Finish
00:19:34
Line yeah I just thought people were
00:19:36
thinking oh what a dick look at him
00:19:37
haming up the cramp thing but it was it
00:19:39
was absolutely legit oh that's amazing
00:19:41
so so you you were um playing Cricket uh
00:19:45
you were a bowler mhm um then what
00:19:48
happened do you I know you're you're
00:19:50
into your golf uh do are you familiar
00:19:52
with the Ian Baker Finch story well he
00:19:55
he should have lost his golf didn't he
00:19:57
yeah completely so Australian guy really
00:19:58
really good and then just like lost lost
00:20:00
his game completely and then became a
00:20:02
commentator was that the same with you
00:20:04
and bowling from what I was good bowler
00:20:06
I was sort of New Zealand under the 19s
00:20:08
and then Oakland As a left arm spinner
00:20:10
and then Oto as a left arm spinner but
00:20:11
when I went to Oto I started to lose it
00:20:14
how what do what do you mean exactly how
00:20:15
do you explain that to a non- cricketer
00:20:17
how and and in your own mind you must
00:20:20
have still been bowling okay no i' bow I
00:20:22
was awful and it started out like as was
00:20:25
a good youth bowler but you you always
00:20:27
got like a B of loish ball Le over but
00:20:30
at youth Cricket it didn't really hurt
00:20:32
you and then I started playing men's
00:20:34
cricket and I started playing for
00:20:35
Auckland I was still very young I was
00:20:36
about 18 and that that loose ball
00:20:40
because good cricketers now you're
00:20:42
balling to good batters and they would
00:20:43
they'd be able to sit and defend on your
00:20:45
good balls and then You' Bowl them a bad
00:20:47
ball and they did it for four and that
00:20:48
was that was too many runs in an over
00:20:51
and I started to fear bowling that bad
00:20:53
ball so so you worry rather than rather
00:20:56
than running and going I'm going to bowl
00:20:57
a good ball to show you how good I am
00:20:59
I'm going to rip it I'd be running and
00:21:01
going just get this on the spot just get
00:21:02
on the spot so now now the the the worry
00:21:04
of bowling a bad ball is now front of
00:21:07
your mind as opposed to it's not in your
00:21:09
mind and so so very quickly that takes
00:21:12
it from one bad ball to two bad balls to
00:21:14
Three B balls to I an over crap which is
00:21:18
what I was bowling and that was that and
00:21:21
I I could Bowl on the Nets with no fear
00:21:23
of consequence I'd Bowl quite nicely but
00:21:26
get to a game n just St
00:21:28
was it just an overthinking thing I
00:21:30
think for me I think that's how my brain
00:21:32
works yeah I think batting just worked
00:21:34
better for me in that regard um the way
00:21:37
that my mind worked this is the the
00:21:39
interesting thing so so you're a bowler
00:21:41
you that all happens you lose your
00:21:43
confidence but at that point you're
00:21:45
you're like a number 10 batsman which
00:21:47
means like you're you're the shittest
00:21:49
batter in the team one of the worst yeah
00:21:52
so so then you go and you sort of
00:21:53
reinvent yourself as a as a batsman and
00:21:55
you end up making the New Zealand team
00:21:57
at 29
00:21:58
kind of from from what I can GA it
00:22:00
sounds like you sort of forced your way
00:22:01
in it's like you weren't on anyone's
00:22:03
radar and but they just it got to the
00:22:05
point where you were so good they
00:22:06
couldn't ignore you I could always betat
00:22:07
a
00:22:08
little and but you know not great a
00:22:11
little bit scared of the ball no real
00:22:13
discipline really didn't have a batting
00:22:15
mentality when I when the it happened
00:22:18
through Club Cricket I could still bow
00:22:19
well at Club Cricket I still could you
00:22:20
know be in the team and I started to
00:22:22
work my way up in in the um in the club
00:22:26
team batting and then I ended up sort of
00:22:27
batting it three for the club and
00:22:29
scoring some runs and really enjoying it
00:22:32
and actually wasn't worried about
00:22:33
playing for a Target at this time was
00:22:35
just enjoying playing the sport that I
00:22:37
supposedly was meant to love and so
00:22:40
spending a bit more time getting a bit
00:22:42
more interested in in um in batting got
00:22:44
a few more runs then got into the otago
00:22:47
second 11 but they picked me as a
00:22:50
bowler and I was being quite shitty
00:22:53
about the whole thing like I'm not a
00:22:55
bowler any long and and I B it at 8 or
00:22:58
something like that and we we were
00:22:59
playing against
00:23:01
um uh we were playing against canb B and
00:23:05
can a I think in those days you were
00:23:06
allowed to call it B and and we were out
00:23:09
of the game and I managed I bet at eight
00:23:11
I managed to get through to about 50 and
00:23:13
but we we we were dead and we ended up
00:23:15
needing 33 off the final over to win and
00:23:18
I hit five Sixers and a three and one
00:23:22
and won the game and it no way it's like
00:23:25
some Jimmy Nishan big bash stuff 33 off
00:23:28
the last over so five in a row and then
00:23:31
I Nick the last one which I should have
00:23:33
for six as well nicked the last one down
00:23:35
down to Third Man and we ran three and
00:23:37
won the game and that got me noticed and
00:23:38
that actually got me it got me a game in
00:23:40
the in the Oto side actually they say
00:23:43
you know Perhaps Perhaps rig a campat a
00:23:46
bit here but that's that's not what
00:23:49
that's not the sort of batsman you were
00:23:51
like you a slow boring no I started out
00:23:54
very a shot maker with Oto so I worked
00:23:56
my way into Oto side and in fact the
00:23:59
first 100 I ever got in any form of
00:24:00
cricket was in a first class game of
00:24:02
cricket and it wasn't even meant to be
00:24:03
at in the team we an academic called
00:24:06
James Allen whose graduation was at the
00:24:08
time that we were going to play uh
00:24:10
Central districts and um and so he
00:24:14
pulled out late doors because graduation
00:24:16
was more important than playing crw for
00:24:17
tago and um and so I got called into the
00:24:20
side and when I got 100 and never bat in
00:24:24
at five and and never never look back
00:24:26
but I was a stroke player I used to play
00:24:27
a lot of lot of lot of shots and um and
00:24:31
but I I realized I had to find a way to
00:24:33
go from averaging 30 in both one day as
00:24:35
and and four days to having a couple of
00:24:38
Seasons where I averaged in the 60s or
00:24:40
70s and I started to realize I needed to
00:24:42
actually sh a bit of the the aggressive
00:24:45
intent and bring it back and and and
00:24:48
that just went you know that that I just
00:24:51
refined that skill and I just worked out
00:24:53
that surviving was my best way of
00:24:56
succeeding
00:24:58
they're 33 off one over just I'm sorry I
00:25:00
just can't get past that I um I I looked
00:25:03
at a lot of stuff on um YouTube prior to
00:25:05
you coming around today does that does
00:25:07
footage of that exist anywhere no it was
00:25:09
it was a
00:25:11
Geraldine Gerald the main or wherever
00:25:14
why is why is there not not not a bit KN
00:25:16
on Mark Richardson story that's
00:25:17
outstanding I guess it was just playing
00:25:19
for theago second 11 that doesn't really
00:25:21
get any any sort of coverage but that
00:25:24
was that was the real turning point for
00:25:26
me just an over of of just whacking it
00:25:30
turned my career around just one of
00:25:32
those things may maybe I I would have
00:25:33
continued to score runs and you know I
00:25:35
would have found myself there eventually
00:25:38
um but no that that freakish sort of act
00:25:40
really sort of turned everything around
00:25:42
for me yeah and um I've heard you say
00:25:45
you're Everest that like the highlight
00:25:46
of your career is getting that centry at
00:25:48
Lords yeah so um first inning us you got
00:25:51
93 and then the second Innings you got
00:25:54
101 how how how are you how do you feel
00:25:56
when you get out at 9 3 and I wasn't out
00:25:59
too I didn't knck it onto my pad out
00:26:02
yeah so but almost made it almost easier
00:26:05
go been you know I mean Shadle over here
00:26:07
so um I was just pleased I'd scored runs
00:26:09
you know I'd gone there and I'd got 93
00:26:10
in the first Innings at at Lords and I
00:26:12
was like well I'd actually done
00:26:14
something significant and then all I
00:26:16
thought in the second innings was okay
00:26:17
just back it up with a reasonable total
00:26:19
so because I used to hate getting a
00:26:21
decent score and then almost taking that
00:26:24
for granted look bad if you went out and
00:26:25
got a poor second Innings score so I
00:26:28
just sort of gried my teeth and thought
00:26:29
we'll just see how many I can get in the
00:26:30
second Innings and then it just got
00:26:32
closer and closer and closer to the
00:26:33
point I was like [ __ ] maybe I can get
00:26:36
100 and and I did yeah yeah that's
00:26:39
amazing so how how do you get out on on
00:26:42
101 I in your book you talk about Steven
00:26:45
Fleming saying to you um don't don't
00:26:47
give up on yourself did you give up on
00:26:49
yourself after getting a 100 yeah I I
00:26:52
sort of did and and it's Cricket is a
00:26:54
great a great game because it always
00:26:57
beat you up if you allow to beat you up
00:26:59
and I can remember I so I got this 100
00:27:01
and it was the achievement of my life
00:27:04
and it was just before tea and I went in
00:27:07
at tea not out and just all the
00:27:09
adrenaline drained from me and when I
00:27:13
went out to bat after tea I couldn't get
00:27:16
myself up to start again it was just
00:27:20
such a a a huge achievement for myself
00:27:23
you know and and I needed to pick myself
00:27:26
up cuz I only needed a bat front of that
00:27:27
half an hour to an hour and we probably
00:27:29
would have bettered us our way to Safety
00:27:31
in the game and being in totally
00:27:33
dominant I got out playing a very loose
00:27:35
shot because I just wasn't there
00:27:37
mentally and then the English bowling
00:27:40
attack which was a good attack actually
00:27:41
they just they rolled out our middle and
00:27:43
tail from there and we ended up losing
00:27:45
the test and and so I sort of go
00:27:48
greatest moment in my life but also a
00:27:50
moment in which I arguably let my team
00:27:52
down and L that's a terrible way I'm
00:27:55
looking at it come on 24 runs over two
00:27:58
innings you but your it's your day it's
00:28:00
your game and you've got to make the
00:28:02
most of it and you you know this is what
00:28:04
I love about Kan Williamson and I really
00:28:05
believe him he's so frustrating to
00:28:07
interview because he's just played one
00:28:08
of the greatest hundreds you ever seen
00:28:09
your life and and you go and talk to him
00:28:11
and set a record here and there and it's
00:28:13
like the situation of the game and and
00:28:15
he'll never talk about anyone he'll
00:28:16
never talk about himself he always talks
00:28:18
about the situation of the game and and
00:28:20
I think the actual number that he walks
00:28:22
away with is is totally nutly irrelevant
00:28:25
to what was required in the situation of
00:28:27
the game
00:28:28
what what makes gets him out of bed in
00:28:29
the morning to play cricket is what I
00:28:31
need to do for my team today in this
00:28:33
game of cricket um so personal
00:28:35
achievements on the back burner yeah
00:28:37
yeah so it's always been a sweet when
00:28:38
you get you know I I still the highlight
00:28:41
of my life get 100 of Lords but then I
00:28:43
dig a bit deeper and it's like well you
00:28:45
should have got 130 140 and you wouldn't
00:28:47
have lost the game but so you get 100 at
00:28:50
Lords that means um Lords by the way the
00:28:52
I don't want to patronize anyone but
00:28:53
like the the home of cricket right a
00:28:56
spiritual home of cricket yeah so um you
00:28:58
get your name on an honors board
00:29:00
there um is there a ceremony or anything
00:29:03
what happens yeah your name goes up on
00:29:05
the board and the and the visitors
00:29:07
changing shed they just put it up um
00:29:10
they put it up on tape because they
00:29:12
can't get an engrave it I've actually
00:29:13
never seen it engraved I've never been
00:29:15
oh have you not you're not commentated
00:29:16
there so you've never seen I've never
00:29:18
never seen my name on on the honors
00:29:19
board actually engraved in there how was
00:29:22
that be i' think I'd be quite emotional
00:29:24
to tell you the truth because it was
00:29:25
such a it's such a big thing um for the
00:29:28
older you get the more emotional that
00:29:30
moment will I think you value yeah you
00:29:33
value what what you did I mean your your
00:29:36
career becomes a half hours highlights
00:29:38
package um you know you tend to remember
00:29:41
the good stuff um but there some bad
00:29:43
stuff that you know irks me a little bit
00:29:46
what's the bad stuff oh bad stuff was
00:29:48
how I performed in Australia okay so
00:29:49
yeah so this um yeah this is when you
00:29:52
decided to retire yeah just after this
00:29:54
so you left the game on your own tombs
00:29:57
what what what happened I mean yeah I I
00:30:00
can't remember it at all I think was it
00:30:02
real bad or is it just bad in your own
00:30:04
after England I'd reached a pinnacle for
00:30:06
myself and I'd had a great series and
00:30:08
then but I I was also I didn't want to
00:30:11
be me any longer I didn't want to be
00:30:13
that St there was no fun in it and I
00:30:15
wanted to actually have a bit more fun
00:30:18
and enjoy the art of batting a bit more
00:30:19
and play a few more shots and be able to
00:30:21
put a bit more pressure I would have got
00:30:23
more hundreds had I been more attacking
00:30:25
because I wouldn't have had to f so many
00:30:27
balls and I would have put more pressure
00:30:29
on Bowlers and there was times in
00:30:30
Innings where I could have actually
00:30:32
played aggressively but I pulled myself
00:30:34
back and I really it was there was no
00:30:36
fun in that and then I went I went to
00:30:39
Bangladesh and thought right well I'm
00:30:40
going to smash Bangladesh and I didn't I
00:30:43
kned out a couple of times badly and uh
00:30:46
and then I went to Australia and I was
00:30:47
like you know what all I can do is just
00:30:49
defend against these guys and hang in
00:30:51
there um I didn't have the skills to
00:30:53
take them on aggressively and I just
00:30:56
thought you know what I just don't want
00:30:57
to be here and Australia in Australia
00:31:01
against that Australian bowling attack
00:31:02
is no place to be when you don't want to
00:31:03
be there and and I just got SP out but
00:31:06
it was even the series before that no
00:31:08
one um I was at the top of my game and I
00:31:12
did I scored some runs against Australia
00:31:14
I got good starts got couple of 30s and
00:31:17
a and a 50 and I didn't let myself
00:31:20
actually play the cricket against them
00:31:21
that I should have I should have got a
00:31:24
at least a big hund on that tour in
00:31:26
those conditions
00:31:27
because I didn't believe I could do it
00:31:29
against Australia I'd pest still it
00:31:30
because this was the this was the this
00:31:32
was you know um this is The Proving
00:31:35
Grounds for New Zealand cricketers
00:31:36
Australia because we grew up watching
00:31:38
Australia from cricket it's great
00:31:39
viewing hours or people my age love the
00:31:42
channel n commentary team the legends of
00:31:45
commentary yeah in the 12th man tapes
00:31:46
and and here we are it's us doing it now
00:31:50
and and the same sort of the same
00:31:52
commentary team Tony Greg and and and
00:31:54
Bill lry and and Richie BAU and the
00:31:56
comment on me and I I just didn't
00:32:00
realize I actually belonged there and
00:32:02
and could dominate the the greatest
00:32:04
compliment I've ever been paid in the
00:32:05
game of cricket was once I stopped
00:32:08
playing cricket and rookie pontin who um
00:32:11
still frightens me to this day and
00:32:13
intimidates me to this day we're at the
00:32:14
New Zealand Golf
00:32:16
Open and someone came up to me and
00:32:18
started talking and it was about my
00:32:20
Cricket or something like that and and
00:32:22
rookie was standing close by putting on
00:32:24
the green and and I'd never really had
00:32:27
much to do with Rook he still
00:32:28
intimidated me when I when I do the toss
00:32:30
as a broadcas my hand was shake the
00:32:32
microphone was Shake he intimidated me
00:32:34
that much wow and um and I didn't think
00:32:37
he really thought much of me as as as a
00:32:38
cricketer because he had never done that
00:32:39
well in Australia and he said to this
00:32:41
guy said no he said he said this guy
00:32:44
could really play he just didn't let
00:32:46
himself play and that was possibly
00:32:49
coming from Ricky Pony that was the
00:32:50
greatest compliment paid to me in you
00:32:52
know I needly I needly started crying on
00:32:54
the bloody
00:32:55
py at the Hills do you do do you suffer
00:32:58
imposter syndrome do you think maybe
00:33:00
yeah maybe maybe a little maybe a little
00:33:02
yeah yeah so does um that doesn't keep
00:33:07
you awake at night anymore does it
00:33:09
Australia does my performance in
00:33:10
Australia actually yes I I still I still
00:33:13
um you still have regrets about that
00:33:15
yeah still a lot of so how many years
00:33:17
ago I think I carried it to the to the
00:33:19
time I it's 20 years ago now but I'll
00:33:21
still but you're not thinking about it
00:33:23
daily
00:33:25
sometimes months I I it really hurs me
00:33:29
because I let myself down and I
00:33:30
shouldn't have and that yeah in a
00:33:32
professional sense and that really
00:33:34
pissed me
00:33:35
off yeah unreal Shane Cameron on the
00:33:38
podcast and he talked about that um that
00:33:41
horrible beating he got from David T and
00:33:43
he said it was seven years he reckons
00:33:45
before uh he realized one day that he
00:33:47
hadn't thought about it so seven years
00:33:50
just was on his mind but you you being
00:33:53
bullied by Australia how many years like
00:33:54
20 years ago oh look at it ruins my
00:33:57
enjoyment of watching Australia play and
00:34:00
watching the cricket from Australia cuz
00:34:02
it's like you just let yourself sit down
00:34:05
so so badly yeah oh um oh yeah one thing
00:34:09
I forgot to to mention so so at Lords
00:34:11
when you're out there getting 101 your
00:34:12
wife Mary's there and she's um she meets
00:34:15
MC Jagger yeah she's hob with MC Jagger
00:34:17
where about like in a corporate box or
00:34:18
something yeah I think he was in the
00:34:20
same box as as the Wags um yeah we got a
00:34:24
photo of photo of MC Jagger and and my
00:34:26
wife was quite a highlight for her she
00:34:28
was pissed off when I was retired cuz
00:34:29
she just got used to the wag
00:34:31
lifestyle and and like and I came home
00:34:34
one day and just said I've honey I've
00:34:36
retired and I was like you didn't run
00:34:38
back past me she just starting to enjoy
00:34:41
it did did you have any um any
00:34:44
Recollections of the the MC Jer moment
00:34:46
or was it just like a literally a photo
00:34:47
opportunity classic classic cuz he was
00:34:49
with them all day yes it's classic like
00:34:52
he's tiny he's a funny little fellow but
00:34:55
he was really nice nice and personable
00:34:57
and loves his Crick eh yeah yeah that
00:35:00
was quite a highlight for her I think oh
00:35:02
another highlight um you you had an
00:35:04
opening partnership with Lou Vincent
00:35:06
which um remains to this day like one of
00:35:08
the one of the best opening Partnerships
00:35:10
ever didn't you like could be I might I
00:35:12
think 232 runs or something yeah I think
00:35:14
that would that was the one in which I
00:35:16
cramped the game in India and mahale
00:35:18
right yeah me and Louie put on a big
00:35:19
total there Lou was great great to bet
00:35:22
with I like I like betting with those
00:35:24
sort of hyper sort of um because they
00:35:27
they bring a bit more out of me as well
00:35:29
and I used to bet quite quite well with
00:35:30
them he was fun to watch as a Fielder as
00:35:33
well it was really exciting and also
00:35:35
when you when you when you have a guy to
00:35:36
that who's essentially nuts you know
00:35:38
personality wise
00:35:40
fun enthusiastic nuts and and what way
00:35:43
just like just really enthusiastic
00:35:45
Energizer Bunny Energizer Bunny they
00:35:47
they're good mid pitch as well um you
00:35:51
know I either like batting with guys who
00:35:53
were very light in the middle right and
00:35:55
you know we're going to do this and
00:35:56
we're going to you know and and got very
00:35:58
technical and we coached each other
00:36:00
through or like that with guys who just
00:36:02
you just you didn't know what they were
00:36:03
going to say when you sort of came
00:36:04
together at the end of the end of the
00:36:06
over yeah so you yeah so um did you re
00:36:10
you reach out to him or Ken when all the
00:36:13
match fixing stuff goes down uh
00:36:16
uh L I I text the other day actually I
00:36:18
was really stoked for that he his
00:36:21
lifetime B I think that was really
00:36:22
unfair he he came clean he's one of the
00:36:24
very very few who said yeah it was me
00:36:26
pissed up sorry been wrong and they
00:36:29
tried to make an example of some of that
00:36:30
I don't think they needed to make an
00:36:32
example out of game a lifetime band so
00:36:34
I'm really pleased that they've um
00:36:36
they've overturned that and Louie
00:36:38
because he's a nice guy and and he I
00:36:41
think he had a few issues you know
00:36:42
mentally at that time and I think he was
00:36:44
taken advantage of um Chris I came to my
00:36:48
wedding I'd call him a mate um drift we
00:36:51
drifted apart and um haven't really
00:36:54
really stayed in touch I I mean I I feel
00:36:57
sad for what's happened to him and boy
00:36:59
you know he was a guy big strapping
00:37:01
Larger than Life super human um it just
00:37:05
shows how fragile we all are and once
00:37:09
once you wander down snipers alley you
00:37:10
don't know what they do you do you
00:37:12
follow him on Instagram are you on
00:37:13
Instagram at all no I'm not a social
00:37:15
media type guy I sort of I've always
00:37:17
thought social media is a cancer on
00:37:18
society so I'm stay away it is but he's
00:37:22
he shares a lot of his um progression
00:37:24
and he's making great progress I like I
00:37:26
wish in the
00:37:27
you know but I just I just drifted
00:37:29
drifted apart really I it sorry it um I
00:37:34
I think there was you know to be
00:37:35
perfectly honest I can remember you rung
00:37:37
me out one day after I was doing a show
00:37:39
with Andrew Mulligan on radio sport and
00:37:40
it was a fun show and it was round match
00:37:43
fix scene and I was we were running an
00:37:45
amnesty and you had to ring us up and
00:37:47
tell us how you cheated and and Sport
00:37:50
and and then I was like the judge and I
00:37:52
was going to hand down your your your
00:37:54
penalty or you know what you had to do
00:37:56
and it was it was quite a fun little
00:37:57
sequ and he rung me up um afterwards I
00:37:59
was driving home and he sort of sort of
00:38:02
tried to he just tried to bully me into
00:38:04
a bit of Silence that he didn't need to
00:38:06
do and I T to be the type of person that
00:38:08
just goes you know what I'm wiping my
00:38:10
hands you
00:38:12
know yeah I mean on probability he's
00:38:15
probably guilty but I mean with what
00:38:17
he's been through now with the uh you
00:38:19
the disability and the rehab it kind of
00:38:21
puts it into perspective and and look no
00:38:23
one whether he's guilty or not and sort
00:38:26
of stayed away from that I don't want to
00:38:28
judge I've never been privy to you know
00:38:30
any the any of the real genuine
00:38:31
information and he's always denied it
00:38:34
vly
00:38:36
um he no one wanted to win more when I
00:38:41
was playing for New Zealand and I was in
00:38:43
the same teams as him no one wanted to
00:38:45
win more at that point in time than
00:38:47
Chris K and if he was involved in
00:38:50
anything it was in games that that
00:38:53
wasn't Internationals and and you know
00:38:56
it was in games that I probably had
00:38:58
little respect for anyway um and saying
00:39:01
that you know you're still playing Sport
00:39:03
and corruption's Corruption and you know
00:39:05
so um but the Chris kenz IU desperately
00:39:08
wanted to win cricket games for New
00:39:09
Zealand to the point that you know at
00:39:11
times he could get a little bit harsh on
00:39:13
us who weren't
00:39:15
performing that's is that right that's
00:39:18
interesting I've been go going to um
00:39:20
I've been reading a book um called
00:39:21
Relentless by um this guy who's a
00:39:23
personal trainer and mental mental
00:39:25
skills coach of um some of the best NBA
00:39:27
players ever Jordan Kobe LeBron and he
00:39:31
says the same sort of thing about them
00:39:32
like um like Jordan was just like an
00:39:35
absolute [ __ ] to some of his teammates
00:39:37
yeah like there was some Australian dude
00:39:38
at the Chicago balls and um Scotty Pin
00:39:41
said to him oh you need we need you
00:39:42
bring your aame today and Jordan said
00:39:44
aame just bring a
00:39:46
game can you imagine how awful that
00:39:49
would be hearing that from MJ you got
00:39:51
you got to like it's a tough environment
00:39:52
professional sport and you you you've
00:39:56
got got to you will not succeed at the
00:39:59
international level or at a high level
00:40:01
of sport if you're not prepared to play
00:40:03
if you can't get the job done
00:40:04
uncomfortable uh and so you got to
00:40:06
accept the nerves and anxiety and the
00:40:08
self-doubt is there and you got to find
00:40:09
a way overcoming it and every now and
00:40:12
then I think someone does need a bit of
00:40:14
a hurry up is like you're giving into
00:40:16
yourself you're a better player than
00:40:17
this you need to you need to to H I know
00:40:20
it's triggers people but you need to
00:40:22
harden the hell up this is not a fun
00:40:24
environment and every now and then you
00:40:25
need someone to give you that you know
00:40:28
don't you know look around these guys
00:40:29
need you perform don't let them down
00:40:31
through being weak yeah and and
00:40:33
sometimes you need that and you know
00:40:35
Kenzie would dish that out did he ever
00:40:37
give you a memorable spray I could
00:40:39
remember a couple of of sprays for not
00:40:42
you know mainly it was if I'd given if
00:40:44
I'd let myself down you know um but
00:40:47
surely at that point you already know
00:40:49
you've let yourself down yeah you beat
00:40:51
yourself up probably someone else to
00:40:53
beat you up you know I I used to really
00:40:55
take quite a I I just always thought
00:40:57
when you were playing for your country
00:40:59
there was no excuse for playing a bad
00:41:01
shot because you are there's so many
00:41:05
more eyes on you and you are
00:41:08
representing not only yourself but
00:41:09
you're representing the the cricket fans
00:41:12
and followers in your country they'd
00:41:14
love to be out there doing it so you
00:41:15
don't take the piss you don't you don't
00:41:17
take it lightly you don't take it for
00:41:19
granted and I always felt there was no
00:41:21
excuses for playing a weak shot you were
00:41:23
going to play them from time to time but
00:41:26
there was no wasn't just your career you
00:41:29
you you know you're playing for New
00:41:30
Zealand well what's New Zealand New
00:41:31
Zealand's 5 million
00:41:33
people when you when you [ __ ] up um or
00:41:36
you had a cheap record or got out on
00:41:39
with a dumb shot how were you after that
00:41:41
I had Susie baates on the podcast and
00:41:42
she she said she said she' go to the
00:41:44
toilet and like have a subtle cry
00:41:46
without the team knowing the South
00:41:49
loathing the anger and the
00:41:52
frustration um and and and and the you
00:41:55
know you'd walk off and I'd think right
00:41:56
well that's it that's the last shot you
00:41:58
have play for New Zealand is it you know
00:41:59
oh cuz going be dumped and then yeah and
00:42:03
then like I can remember one in one game
00:42:06
climbing underneath the got I got out
00:42:09
early climbed underneath the you know
00:42:11
you know the classic seats that go
00:42:13
around the outside of a changing [ __ ] I
00:42:15
literally just just took my just what I
00:42:18
took take anything off climbed
00:42:19
underneath the seats and stayed there
00:42:20
for two sessions didn't move just just
00:42:24
so pissed off with myself just didn't
00:42:26
want to talk to anyone just didn't
00:42:27
didn't want to exist in that moment
00:42:30
probably a little unhealthy some guys
00:42:32
could just like some guys just take the
00:42:34
pads off and bang and the players you
00:42:36
know they get over in five minutes and
00:42:38
that and and that's not a criticism of
00:42:40
them it's just that's how they they
00:42:43
needed to get over it if they were going
00:42:44
to be able to go out and bet with
00:42:46
confidence where was me I needed to beat
00:42:47
myself up for as long as it took to to
00:42:50
go out there and then apply myself again
00:42:51
but it seem seems like you've always
00:42:52
been like that like in the um the the
00:42:55
better the the at the beginning of your
00:42:56
book that Chris kin wrote like he talks
00:42:58
about you as a bowler apparently you
00:43:00
sledged yourself harder than any other
00:43:02
people you were you were bowling to
00:43:04
probably did yeah yeah just is this just
00:43:08
is this just your personality were you
00:43:09
were you like this with the media career
00:43:10
as well like if you I would get really
00:43:12
down if they had a bad show yeah yeah
00:43:14
probably not as much as cricket and I
00:43:16
was always told Martin Crow when I when
00:43:20
I started commentary he said please
00:43:22
don't please don't broadcast tell you
00:43:23
about it his advice take some risks take
00:43:27
some chances take some risks Martin
00:43:28
sneden once said to me um my only advice
00:43:31
to you this is post Cricket he said take
00:43:33
take a risk take some take some risks um
00:43:36
so I was prepared to take risks and
00:43:37
broadcasting and I I tried to make sure
00:43:40
I enjoyed my broadcasting but if I had a
00:43:42
bad show and stuff stuff things up I'd
00:43:45
chew on that for
00:43:47
days without you know without doubt oh
00:43:49
my God I think it's just your character
00:43:51
type right that's who you are um sh you
00:43:54
dropped some great names then sneden and
00:43:56
Crow there's there's another name I want
00:43:57
to drop Shane War um you're one of the
00:44:00
you're one of the only people that I've
00:44:01
heard like talk about Shane war and a
00:44:04
and I I really respect you for doing
00:44:06
this you haven't um Rewritten history
00:44:08
like it' be easy after he dies to say oh
00:44:10
YY and Shane we were this or we were
00:44:12
that but um you guys famously just did
00:44:14
not like each other each other's guts
00:44:17
and I wear that as a badge of honor
00:44:19
because I was I was living R for in as
00:44:22
he lives R for in my head and uh and I
00:44:25
think for long time I was cuz he would
00:44:27
still mentioned me like years later he'
00:44:29
been interviews and someone would text
00:44:30
me and go he War he just said something
00:44:32
about you on the X show for like in what
00:44:35
cont after reti yeah after we retired I
00:44:38
think we just did not like each other
00:44:41
was was that because um and I thought
00:44:43
well for a start I thought why are you
00:44:46
spending any time worrying about what
00:44:48
you think about me you know I'm not even
00:44:51
in your cricketing Hemisphere and yet he
00:44:54
did not like me and I did not like him
00:44:57
but when he passed away I was quite sad
00:45:01
because you talk to so many people in
00:45:03
the game who knew wary they loved him he
00:45:06
was a lovable Rogue and I think if you
00:45:08
were in his good books he would do
00:45:09
anything for you and he was a great man
00:45:11
to be around I never saw that and I
00:45:13
never ever got an opportunity because
00:45:14
our our our pars did cross post Cricket
00:45:18
um I never got an opportunity to see the
00:45:21
shame war that everyone loved I just saw
00:45:24
this bloke that that I resent that cross
00:45:26
the line with me who didn't like me and
00:45:28
I didn't like him so who who didn't like
00:45:31
the other one did he not like you so
00:45:33
you're like well [ __ ] you I don't like
00:45:34
you either or it feels like there was
00:45:37
almost like an un unspoken feud between
00:45:39
you two yeah I think I might have said
00:45:41
something or looked the wrong way at
00:45:42
some point and is it because you caught
00:45:44
him out on 99 no it was before that
00:45:46
right okay before that yeah yeah and he
00:45:50
and then and then he he crossed the line
00:45:53
I think I you know this this this
00:45:55
competitive and there gamesmanship and
00:45:57
there sledging and then there's
00:45:59
just I think crossing the line of human
00:46:02
decency and times out on the field I
00:46:05
think he crossed that with me um like
00:46:07
can you remember specifics oh just just
00:46:10
things you know just things and just
00:46:11
going on and on and on and and
00:46:14
um what things you don't want to share
00:46:16
or oh it's just hard to come up with
00:46:18
specifics but just yeah um to one point
00:46:22
I can remember even flim I was betting
00:46:24
with flim no I was running the drinks
00:46:26
out I wasn't even playing I was running
00:46:29
the drinks out and fle was batting and
00:46:31
War just W pass and just started up
00:46:33
until the point that fle actually who
00:46:34
really got on brilliantly with Shane
00:46:36
they were friends FL Shane that's gone a
00:46:39
bit far um yeah I they just yeah and you
00:46:43
know like just nasty was he nasty to you
00:46:46
we're all competitive people um but
00:46:50
we're all people as well and you
00:46:54
know just because you're you're a
00:46:57
certain level of cricket above someone
00:46:59
else doesn't make you a better person
00:47:01
than them and I think we all have to be
00:47:03
prepared to to interact on a personal
00:47:05
level and you can't hide behind the fact
00:47:08
that it was out there in the middle and
00:47:10
then we all share a bear and have a
00:47:12
laugh about it um if you've gone too
00:47:15
far and and with me he he he went too
00:47:18
far and and so we didn't get on do you
00:47:21
have to get on with everyone no no no
00:47:24
well you don't like everyone you can't
00:47:25
sad that I never I never got to know the
00:47:28
Shane that everyone loved CU I had Ryan
00:47:31
Fox on the podcast and they they were
00:47:32
sort of friends and he said Shane wasn't
00:47:35
much of a drinker hated drugs but when
00:47:37
he did get on the drink it was like like
00:47:39
Jagger bombs
00:47:41
or this is the most shame War thing I
00:47:43
think shame is going to do something
00:47:45
does it properly yeah Yer bombs or Red
00:47:47
Bull vodka something really awful like
00:47:49
that he's he's in my top five cricketers
00:47:51
ever he he was a just a genius he really
00:47:53
was well he obviously had a respect for
00:47:55
you
00:47:56
that must be where the I did all right
00:47:58
against him in the I I scored some runs
00:48:00
against him in some warm-up games uh and
00:48:02
some games in England when I was playing
00:48:03
for different teams and initially I
00:48:05
played them quite well um but yeah there
00:48:09
was just a there was just something
00:48:11
there well because of that relationship
00:48:13
that must have been so satisfying
00:48:15
catching him out on 99 runs oh yeah so
00:48:17
he he he died without a test with a
00:48:19
without a t no and I I like take this
00:48:22
the right way I love that and that's how
00:48:24
Cricket should be Cricket should always
00:48:26
beat you in some way form so um the
00:48:31
great the great and and I think that um
00:48:33
s da is the greatest sports person ever
00:48:35
because I don't think anyone has
00:48:37
dominated their so Don Bradman and non
00:48:39
Cricket followers no one has has ever
00:48:41
dominated their game or their sport to
00:48:44
the same level that he dominated when he
00:48:46
was playing and so he averaged 99 over
00:48:50
over Korea the closest anyone's got to
00:48:52
that is about 60 or something like that
00:48:54
there a 40 run difference M um and you
00:48:59
know an amazing the the world's greats
00:49:02
are in the 50s 55 he was 99 over a
00:49:05
decent
00:49:05
career I think not you know it's never
00:49:08
going to be schumach um you know Kelly
00:49:12
Slater Tiger Tiger they've never
00:49:15
dominated their sport to the degree that
00:49:16
that he did um
00:49:20
and he he needed four runs to average a
00:49:23
100 and he got a duck average 99
00:49:26
couldn't average 100 and his finals
00:49:28
Shane War really good batter Genius of
00:49:31
the game of cricket um deserved 100
00:49:34
never got a 100 so in some way shape or
00:49:37
form the game beats you you don't you
00:49:38
don't clock the game and so I sort of
00:49:40
quite like that but the fact that it had
00:49:42
to be you like his Nemesis in a way to
00:49:45
catch him out on 99 I remember it too
00:49:47
cuz I just felt he's going to whack one
00:49:49
out here he's gonna whack one out here
00:49:51
and he did uh and I just remember
00:49:54
thinking when the ball went up
00:49:56
I think the first thing that came to my
00:49:57
mind was like was oh you absolute
00:50:01
[ __ ] because I have got to catch this
00:50:03
now and was like you could just this
00:50:07
this this ball as it's coming towards
00:50:09
you it should be getting bigger it was
00:50:10
getting smaller I reckon just it was
00:50:12
just the pressure of the moment everyone
00:50:14
knew how significant that moment was and
00:50:17
yeah yeah managed to catch it and then
00:50:19
you bowed at the crowd that was was that
00:50:21
a spontaneous thing you you do then you
00:50:23
you're happy about that or you regret it
00:50:25
I was standing I was I was standing in
00:50:27
front of the Rowdy part of the the
00:50:29
Wacker and and you know you you're
00:50:30
taking so much crap so I just felt the
00:50:32
most appropriate thing to do was take a
00:50:34
bow oh sh it's lucky you wen't
00:50:36
assassinated that day but the media
00:50:38
afterwards actually asked me oh did you
00:50:41
consider maybe dropping it because you
00:50:43
know Shane deserves to get a test 100
00:50:44
and they was they were actually genuine
00:50:46
with their questions I thought for God's
00:50:48
sake go absolutely not yeah sport yeah
00:50:52
but he stoked of course I didn't want to
00:50:54
drop it let you let him get 100 okay so
00:50:56
um so then you make the transition from
00:50:59
um Cricket to uh to Media so you you
00:51:01
retire on your own terms it seems like
00:51:03
it was a well played strategic move um
00:51:06
in your own words you thought if you end
00:51:08
up getting dropped then you'll just be
00:51:09
another dropped cricketer and you have
00:51:11
no worth in the media so you sort of
00:51:13
leave on your own terms and then you get
00:51:14
into media um in terms of like
00:51:17
transferable skills like from
00:51:18
professional sport like Cricket into
00:51:20
media was there
00:51:22
any what what did you take performance I
00:51:25
think the fact when you know when you
00:51:26
walk into that Arena um you you perform
00:51:29
it's a performance game without a doubt
00:51:32
broadcasting um it's a magnification
00:51:34
yourself it's it's the red light goes on
00:51:37
the Umpire sees play and you got to
00:51:38
perform and it's nervous there you you
00:51:41
get nervous and you've got to overcome
00:51:43
those that the anxiety and I think the
00:51:44
other thing is you know you're always
00:51:46
trying to get better and improve and you
00:51:48
are like that with sports so without a
00:51:49
doubt there is some there's some Sim
00:51:52
similarities and you're right I got out
00:51:54
of the game slightly early than I should
00:51:55
have basically because you know sell
00:51:59
high so yeah some for for B chant there
00:52:03
yeah my my stocks were my stocks were up
00:52:05
there and I needed to sell I needed to
00:52:07
cash them in you know yeah now one of
00:52:09
the um yeah one of the most successful
00:52:10
things you've done I think is the block
00:52:12
uh like a reality show that's just gone
00:52:14
chugged on like a juggernaut year after
00:52:15
year you you were there since day one AA
00:52:17
Ben and Libby yeah day one it's it's
00:52:20
it's an incredible incredible Innings to
00:52:22
use a cricket term so Julie Christie
00:52:24
cast you for that yeah and you came on
00:52:27
her radar after that sketch you did with
00:52:30
Steven
00:52:31
Fleming I think she was AOS wild it was
00:52:34
the sketch with Steven fing that got me
00:52:36
the Kos Wild G right and so so so um
00:52:39
yeah what was that let's focus on that
00:52:40
for a little bit so it's um it was it
00:52:43
was like a stitch up yes but no one
00:52:45
realized it was a stitch up at the time
00:52:46
the acting is phenomenal like Steven
00:52:48
Fleming well I don't think it is acting
00:52:50
that's the thing because we've all seen
00:52:52
him do as V Jitsu
00:52:54
ads
00:52:56
terrible I think there was an element of
00:52:58
terrible yeah but he plays his part
00:53:00
perfectly like sprays at you and then
00:53:01
walks away and then you you look like
00:53:04
embarrassed like there's not a hint of a
00:53:06
grin or a a you know a twinkle in your
00:53:08
eye like we've got some gold here so how
00:53:11
did that come I was thinking I was
00:53:12
thinking this is it was this is awesome
00:53:15
yeah yeah well that was I was doing the
00:53:17
cricket show so I was doing the comment
00:53:19
train I was doing and and I was doing
00:53:20
the the magazine Style Show and we
00:53:22
thought let's do a behind the scenes um
00:53:24
story of on commentary D Day in
00:53:26
commentary and it was like and I was
00:53:28
always looking for some a different
00:53:29
angle and do something entertaining so I
00:53:31
thought how about we do a story whereby
00:53:33
I'm the new boy in commentary which I
00:53:34
was and I just everyone just gives me
00:53:36
crap and it's really hard and and and
00:53:38
then thought what and then I was
00:53:40
thinking what about if and then I go to
00:53:42
interview the captain and he just lets
00:53:44
me have it and you know tells me I'm
00:53:46
rubbish at it and this is this is my
00:53:47
life in cometry now was the story so we
00:53:50
we we were there was the our camera op
00:53:52
knew what was going on and our producing
00:53:55
you and and Flame you because i' said
00:53:57
hey why don't you just you know tell me
00:53:59
just just tea off on me and and the
00:54:02
interview was real because it was
00:54:04
raining and there was an opportunity to
00:54:06
do it and flam said he'd come out and do
00:54:07
an interview um for the actual broadcast
00:54:11
so we we did this interview in the can
00:54:12
and then he was meant to stop and then
00:54:15
sort of we'd almost Reaper and then he'd
00:54:17
let me have it and we'd pick it up on
00:54:18
our INE camera um but he just thanks and
00:54:23
then he just charged into it of course
00:54:24
then all the camera just like that and
00:54:26
it's all the broadcast cameras and oure
00:54:28
camera for the show flame does it you
00:54:31
should and then all of a sudden when it
00:54:32
finishes we start laughing you should
00:54:33
have seen the immediately Aon office was
00:54:35
just white oh my God can imagine this is
00:54:40
this is a big fire to put out he' done
00:54:42
this so well and then I've gone bouncing
00:54:44
into our commentary area where we we
00:54:46
wait and like the TV was off and they're
00:54:49
all sitting there acting all like like
00:54:52
um you know they hadn't seen it
00:54:53
apparently they seen it and they
00:54:54
switched it off cuz they thought it was
00:54:55
for real as well like kiny and Smithy
00:54:58
and all these other commentators and
00:54:59
I've come bouncing and going did you see
00:55:01
that that's [ __ ]
00:55:03
awesome didn't twe that it was you know
00:55:05
it was it was a stitch up then later on
00:55:07
fim heard that he was was really good so
00:55:10
he wanted to see and by this stage
00:55:12
though our satellite links were up and
00:55:16
the the producer at the time ran it
00:55:18
through the truck and of course it ran
00:55:20
through the truck and now it's picked up
00:55:22
well while he watched it now it's been
00:55:23
picked up all around the world so so was
00:55:26
someone on Willow TV in the West Indies
00:55:27
is sitting there obviously maybe having
00:55:29
to do a news story on the West Indies
00:55:31
New Zealand cricket game and thought God
00:55:33
look at this I've got cold and then it
00:55:35
just went around the world that was
00:55:37
amazing if if tech Tock was around at
00:55:39
the time that would have been blind
00:55:41
upgive way that launched my media career
00:55:44
something silly like that incredible cuz
00:55:46
Reit so who was putting together The
00:55:48
Crowd Goes wow look that when that is
00:55:49
just perfect for car goes well that's
00:55:51
that's the image I've got on my mind for
00:55:52
the show that I'm going to do and so
00:55:54
said do you want want to be involved and
00:55:56
then Julie was a kago wild fan I think
00:55:59
and she thought nice to have someone you
00:56:01
know like that maybe maybe do the block
00:56:03
so she got me the gig doing the
00:56:05
block that's a strange thing about you
00:56:07
so there's this um incredibly playful
00:56:10
side guy that doesn't mind taking the
00:56:11
piss out of himself will do anything for
00:56:12
a laugh like um at your own expense or
00:56:15
someone else's but then just the
00:56:17
seriously deep thinking self-loathing
00:56:21
you know the the intense thinker
00:56:26
I think quite a crazy Jer position I
00:56:28
plan things out I'm a planner so I just
00:56:30
like to see a blueprint of where I'm
00:56:32
Hing yeah um but I also knew that one
00:56:35
of one of my skills is just that is that
00:56:39
self-deprecating sort of humor that I
00:56:41
have and and it resonates with new
00:56:43
zealanders I guess that's just what I've
00:56:44
tried to do yeah so when I I take my
00:56:47
broadcast I did take my broadcasting
00:56:48
deedly serious but I took being a bit of
00:56:52
a clown deedly serious
00:56:56
you know not not not a comedian I've
00:56:58
never say that I was comedian but I I
00:57:00
knew that my point of difference was
00:57:03
just to be someone that people could
00:57:05
have a laugh they could laugh with me
00:57:07
laughing at myself yeah I think there's
00:57:10
something really powerful in that as
00:57:11
well because not everyone has the
00:57:12
ability to do that well some people I
00:57:16
think you know I think you do have to
00:57:18
have a degree meal strength to be able
00:57:20
to let others laugh at you you know it's
00:57:24
yeah if you're prepared to be laughed at
00:57:26
you need to be fa um resilient yeah and
00:57:30
I think assured in your own shoes yeah
00:57:34
jez um I've kept you so long we've
00:57:36
probably got time for one more story
00:57:37
though we got time for One More Story
00:57:39
let's talk about the uh juser doing
00:57:41
stuff this is probably the big you
00:57:43
reflect on that now so this was on the
00:57:45
am show yeah early years just prime
00:57:48
minister was there was it something
00:57:49
about she she was the leader of the
00:57:51
opposition at that point she just become
00:57:52
the leader of the opposition yeah so yes
00:57:55
so what was the comment something about
00:57:56
um whether she planned to get pregnant
00:57:58
or not it's not it's not like it got
00:58:01
screwed very very quickly it the night
00:58:04
before she was on the project and I was
00:58:05
on the project and GC marigan have been
00:58:07
I'm in an hour and about do I ask the
00:58:09
question about becoming the leader of
00:58:11
opposition you're going to get a lot
00:58:12
busier you've mentioned the media before
00:58:15
that you want to have a family and so he
00:58:18
wasar and to ask the question to so very
00:58:20
apologetically asked this question about
00:58:22
so what does this mean for your plans to
00:58:24
have a family now and she answered it
00:58:28
and then all and then of course it just
00:58:29
goes media grabs it and they want to
00:58:31
just you know they run with it and was
00:58:33
that a fair question and um and the
00:58:36
culture that existed you know at that
00:58:37
time it still does probably um and so
00:58:40
the question was was it a fair question
00:58:42
and she was sitting on the couch and and
00:58:44
I was saying on the am show before she
00:58:46
came on that I think yeah it's a fair
00:58:47
question I I just think that um you know
00:58:50
your your your staff are your biggest
00:58:53
asset uh and and if you know this
00:58:55
information you can plan for the future
00:58:57
and it's a win-win so it wasn't saying
00:58:58
you use that against anyone she she then
00:59:01
came on and and then she wanted to take
00:59:02
me to task for it and she and she did
00:59:04
and I fought my case and when
00:59:09
the um and it wasn't about her it was
00:59:12
about whether the question was legit for
00:59:14
an employer to be able to ask it and my
00:59:16
rationale was always it is for the sake
00:59:19
of information sharing and planning in
00:59:21
advance not for getting rid of people
00:59:23
maybe quite to think that way um she
00:59:27
said it was wasn't appropriate it was
00:59:29
fair enough to ask her but not anyone
00:59:31
else and that's her that's her point
00:59:32
point of view and many would agree with
00:59:34
that I fought my
00:59:36
case cameras stopped rolling she got up
00:59:38
and said great debate see you next week
00:59:40
and then and then the media just ran
00:59:42
with it and it got morus ConEd I got
00:59:44
sold down the road I Believe by my own
00:59:46
network and I'm sort of it was a great
00:59:49
moment for me though that was the thing
00:59:51
what do you mean it was a great moment
00:59:53
there must have been a must felt like
00:59:54
you were walking through I was villain
00:59:56
number one but I was quite happily and
00:59:57
and the other thing was what the media
00:59:59
didn't never reported was there was
01:00:01
actually a lot of support for me as well
01:00:03
but that wasn't part of the narrative no
01:00:05
no well it didn't the you've got a young
01:00:08
female leader and a pale male State yeah
01:00:11
and and my argument and defense of
01:00:14
myself is never ever seen the light of
01:00:15
day you had to be watching it
01:00:18
live um and
01:00:21
um and and people and and that's never
01:00:24
really it's never been shown and but it
01:00:27
was a it was it put me on the it it it
01:00:29
moved me into another sphere when it
01:00:31
came to broadcasting and quite frankly
01:00:33
it was good for me yeah yeah it's I mean
01:00:36
it's like Paul Henry there's there's
01:00:38
those memorable moments in broadcasting
01:00:39
like Paul Henry with them the Sheila
01:00:41
dick [ __ ] thing but when you're going
01:00:43
through that can't be like what was what
01:00:45
was that that mon my kids you know I was
01:00:49
I was Arch Enemy Number One and and my
01:00:51
kids were finding out that parently
01:00:52
everyone hated their dad not everyone
01:00:54
hated their dad no um but when their
01:00:56
kids and they were young kids that was
01:00:58
that was when I started to get pretty
01:00:59
annoyed with the whole thing um but I
01:01:02
realized I was playing with the big boys
01:01:03
now and I wanted to make it in that form
01:01:05
of media and and you know I believed in
01:01:08
what I said the other thing is you could
01:01:10
you don't have to be right all the time
01:01:12
it's okay to be wrong and if if the if
01:01:15
if my argument went to the court of law
01:01:18
and I lost I accept that the other thing
01:01:20
was all of a sudden people oh marson's
01:01:22
put us back 40 years no I haven't the
01:01:25
law I don't set the law no one's going
01:01:27
to change the law before what I say but
01:01:30
hopefully people will watch the am show
01:01:32
for what I
01:01:33
say yeah it's it's funny people are
01:01:35
funny like it's just it was just a
01:01:37
question and it's just an opinion or
01:01:39
it's just a thought and then you have
01:01:41
people that um because you may say one
01:01:43
thing that they don't like they'll be
01:01:44
like well I have to disagree and loathe
01:01:47
everything about that person and not
01:01:48
only that is that now you you're not
01:01:50
allowed to have an opinion any longer
01:01:53
it's like why would why would you why
01:01:55
would you bother I I'd say like with
01:01:56
theer thing there'd be a lot of people
01:01:59
that probably shared your thoughts but
01:02:00
would just be like it's not my battle
01:02:03
not my circus not my monkeys well I
01:02:05
think right now in broadcasting I think
01:02:06
it's sad I think we have become vanilla
01:02:09
um for the sake of survival and I reckon
01:02:11
that's um that's really sad I'm very
01:02:14
excited about um Ryan Bridge actually
01:02:16
moving into 7 7 P.M I think he will
01:02:18
provide um he will provide uh a slightly
01:02:23
different you know artive Ryan Bridge
01:02:25
you added him on TV yeah accidentally
01:02:29
well I maintain it's done great things I
01:02:32
I was really I was mortified and shocked
01:02:33
with myself because I'd let a mate down
01:02:35
he and I I I really respect the reasons
01:02:37
why he wanted to remain in the closet in
01:02:39
a broadcasting sense because he didn't
01:02:41
want to have to become some sort of
01:02:42
spokesperson um and a representative of
01:02:45
the rainbow Community he just wanted to
01:02:46
be the fellow who's a damn good
01:02:47
political interviewer not labeled with
01:02:49
the gay guy who's a political
01:02:51
interviewer and that's exactly what
01:02:53
happened the minute he came out but then
01:02:54
I think people have moved past it and
01:02:55
they realize just how good he is yeah
01:02:57
yeah he's great isn't he yeah yeah and
01:02:59
you um yeah so who are you who are you
01:03:01
friends with you're friends with Duncan
01:03:03
gner right like I've heard you call him
01:03:05
an actual we drifted away a little bit
01:03:07
because of Life moved on but I like
01:03:09
Duncan you know I think he's a genuine I
01:03:11
think he's he
01:03:13
genuinely likes and cares about
01:03:16
people and and I think that shows in his
01:03:18
broadcasting he's passionate about
01:03:20
broadcasting but he genuinely does
01:03:22
actually like like people yeah and wants
01:03:24
to help yeah yeah hey this has been
01:03:28
great I um man we going have to
01:03:30
reschedule and get you back another time
01:03:31
because um I feel like we're just
01:03:33
scratching the surface of the Mark
01:03:34
Richardson story you're such an
01:03:36
intriguing guy well when when you
01:03:38
obviously make a fortune in in the
01:03:39
podcast world and and um invest with
01:03:43
maybe license it and sell the license
01:03:44
make a fortune make sure you come and
01:03:45
knock on my door as well absolutely and
01:03:48
but do you want to get a plugin you want
01:03:49
to get a plugin for your services oh no
01:03:51
no it's just it's just nice to get it
01:03:52
out there because I do have to you know
01:03:54
Rebrand a little bit and get it out
01:03:55
there that I'm now an investment advisor
01:03:56
with foresight bar taking it deeply
01:03:59
serious and um you know and and yeah you
01:04:03
know still always got to be me and and
01:04:05
we always have the background as a
01:04:06
sports person or broadcaster but you
01:04:08
know I am I'm a financial adviser now
01:04:11
and I I reckon you're going to do and
01:04:13
I've said this a couple of times it's
01:04:14
not just pissing in your pocket but I
01:04:15
think you're going to do Bloody well at
01:04:17
it I think there's people that have like
01:04:18
a fixed mindset or a growth mindset and
01:04:20
most most athletes have like a growth
01:04:22
mindset and I mean yeah you you excelled
01:04:25
at your sport you excelled at media and
01:04:27
um you're going to excel at this well
01:04:29
the great thing about if you do well at
01:04:31
this now with the way the compliance and
01:04:33
regulations are if you're doing well at
01:04:36
this job at my job um investment
01:04:38
advising then the people you're advising
01:04:40
for doing well so it's a win-win I I
01:04:44
think in the old days maybe you know in
01:04:46
an unregulated Cowboy world you could
01:04:48
make a lot of money in brokerage and
01:04:50
perhaps you know didn't care about the
01:04:51
result for the person who you were
01:04:53
selling Securities to but now that is
01:04:56
not it's not how it works it's not how
01:04:58
it'll ever work again so if you're doing
01:05:00
well at this gig then everyone's doing
01:05:02
well um which is it's a great
01:05:06
model don't understand a word of what
01:05:08
you just
01:05:10
said but I appreciate your time you're
01:05:12
um you're a great New Zealander and um I
01:05:14
can't thank you enough for coming over
01:05:15
and being on the podcast oh good was F
01:05:18
it's great honored to be a to come and
01:05:20
talk on it
