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JJ welcome back to my podcast
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thanks for having me I really missed you
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I saw you just yesterday actually um
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this because of the nature of podcasting
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it's hard to know when people are going
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to be listening to this but it's coming
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out on a Thursday the day before that
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you have your final show on the air yes
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my final show on the air 33 years on the
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air and 30 years straight at media Works
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actually I've been at media works for 33
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years minus 4 months when I went to
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moved to Hamilton and worked on the
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breeze for four months it was initially
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it was called radio works then it's been
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called can West and it's yeah a bunch of
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different names yeah um is this a
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retirement or a
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pause that is a hard one because I want
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to say
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retirement but and everyone keeps asking
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me but I mean I haven't even left yet so
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I don't know like I'm I'm tired so I
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guess I'll find out like maybe who's to
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say maybe in a 6 months a year 2 years 5
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years I might go oh I really must being
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on the radio and that that could very
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well happen um but I just
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don't I don't know I don't I actually
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don't think I will go back to music
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radio if I get an opportunity and talk
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maybe but you know I've had no
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experience and talk back so I don't know
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I'm going to say retirement people come
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out of retirement all the time so J
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Jay-Z's retired about Jay-Z retired
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about five times Michael Jordan retired
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a number of times yeah so many sports
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people didn't Tiger Woods retire then he
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came out of retirement um yeah so
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whatever yeah have you just stopped
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loving
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it um not really not really
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just I I'm so lucky it's such a fun job
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for the most part but it's a lot more
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stressful than people think it is you
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know it looks fun from the outside it
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looks glamorous and all that but it's
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hard hard work and I'm just I'm really
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really burnt out I really really just I
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can't think of any more creative ideas
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I've done them all I've
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just I I sort of get a bit sick of the
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uh the format so it's the same sort of
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routine of you know you you talk about
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something then you ask for callers to
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call in and then you know then you might
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do an interview and it's just for one
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Voice break and then the next Voice
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break you've got to do like a oneoff
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little chat about something and then the
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news is on like I sort of get a bit I'm
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a bit tired of this mundane kind of you
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know routine yeah CU people have that
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saying uh they talk about radio and they
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say oh no two days are the same but
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after 33 years there are a lot of days
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that I actually saw a Tik Tok um I wish
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I could credit her just some just some
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random and toonga yeah and it was her
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take on music radio in New Zealand and
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it was do you know the one I'm talking
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about yes it's hilarious yeah I wish I
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could I wish I could name her and she's
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um she's something like oh personalized
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plates saw a funny one of those today if
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you've seen a funny personalized plate
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text us on 9696 to win tickets to
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Despicable Me for had a curry last night
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for dinner but wa around the
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m
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k good morning Bay plenty I think you
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need to question your life choices if
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you've got a personalized plate really
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you
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know I think you really need to question
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yourself if you have dated your cousin
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give us a text on 3656 right now and uh
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we'll get you on the show get you some
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free passes to the latest Inside Out
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movie that is it's very funny the way
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she takes the piss out of radio is just
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spot on yeah but I mean no but I can't I
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can't diss radio CU I love radio but
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it's just for
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me I just feel
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like I've had my
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excitement and I've been a bit cruisy
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lately
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so yeah like running on sort of
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autopilot not creatively stimulated
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enough yeah not really and um you know
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part of that could be my fault but also
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part of it I just I just I just don't
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have the energy like I don't have the
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energy I had the first 30 years of my
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career you know I was um I was talking
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to um a mutual friend of us over the
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weekend who's also on on radio and he
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was asking about it because it does
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seem [ __ ] crazy what you're doing
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like at the moment you are I would think
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the highest paid female in New Zealand
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radio oh oh oh oh first of all that's
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personal second of all I would not
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suggest that at all who would be better
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highest paid Ki KI woodam would she I
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don't know but people on newb would
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definitely get paid more money than me
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and also I'm offended that you think I'm
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the highest paid that makes me sound
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rich and we all know that's not the case
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no no we're talking highest highest paid
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in a poo industry yeah a poo industry
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like if you make 70k a year you'll be
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[ __ ] lucky yeah okay no but we're
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always going with that before you so
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rudely interrupt with well I don't know
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how much people earn no but the the um
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media landscape is changing at such an
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alarmingly quick rate yeah um there are
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so many like qualified and experienced
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people out there be it from [ __ ]
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newshub or TV andz or wherever um that
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are scrambling for positions yeah and
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here you are just like willingly walking
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away which a lot of people can't
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understand I
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guess well I mean everyone's different
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why does everyone want to be the same
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um
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look I'm just I'm just tired I'm just
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tired like I need to walk away I do I
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need to I I could just keep doing this
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and what is what I've been doing the
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last few years I've been tired and I've
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just kept doing it and it just got to a
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point where I was like I
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actually stop stop stop think about what
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you were saying to yourself you're
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bloody exhausted and you need a break I
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can literally I'm barely getting through
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this week I barely am because I'm just
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like I'm so done um so you just got to
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listen to yourself I know we all need to
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make money but I think about I'm
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inspired by so many people who have
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shared these stories over the years with
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me about being made redundant or for
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some reason they can't work anymore
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suddenly
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or you know they lose a lot of money for
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some some reason and it's like
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devastating and people just don't know
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how they're going to pick themselves up
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but they pick themselves up like really
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quickly and most of them have no regrets
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they're like oh that was actually that
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was the best thing that happened to me
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so I'm relying on that for me I'm
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relying on the fact that my head will be
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clear and I can think of things I can do
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to make money cuz I don't need to make a
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lot of money I just need to make enough
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to get
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by I think I yeah I'm um I'm um
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incredibly proud of you oh no I um oh
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I'll get emotional talking about it no
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no no cuz I was um yeah I was telling
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this friend over the weekend like
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you you are a force to be reckoned with
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when when you've got a project that
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you're passionate about and and you can
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have complete control uh in complete say
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over over what you're doing you're
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[ __ ] Unstoppable and it's um it's not
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just a radio thing it's just what when
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you've got a project whether it's I
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don't know organizing a [ __ ]
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wedding which I had absolutely nothing
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to do with and you had everything to do
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with whatever it is um you're just an
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Unstoppable Force so whatever whatever
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you do next I'm just I'm really excited
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because I think um a I've got no doubt
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you'll be good at it and B um it'll just
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be good to see that fire in your belly
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again and see and see you see you
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passionate about something and come up
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when
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we so I you and I you were at the edge
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and I started working um at the edge
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with you in 2001 Y and later in 2001 we
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moved to Oakland back then bear in mind
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this was there may have been in terms of
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social media there may have been mypace
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and bbo I can't even might may have this
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may have even been pre- social media we
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only just got the internet around 99 I
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think and and and you you had your own
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your own website so you were a like a
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brand or an identity yeah way before
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anyone else was doing this um you had
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radio.co NZ and we moved to Orland and
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we were living together and You' spend
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every single Sunday night um with rolls
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of paper uh and um like GS out on the
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lounge floor and you'd spend hours
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rapping them and you were just so
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passionate about it and I feel like I
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haven't seen that JJ in a long time you
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know
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you're really driven about something and
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well radio check was uh that just grew
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legs like I won awards and uh you know I
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had advertisers and then I ended up
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having staff it was crazy and it just
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got a little bit too much for me to
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handle because you know having full-time
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radio job at the same time it was a lot
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so unfortunately I just something had to
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give and I gave up what I love doing I
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love doing the website but I love radio
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more and the website was just fun it was
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just like gave me something to focus on
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it gave me a hobby outside of radio it
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gave me I don't know I just I just
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really loved it and repping everyone's
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prizes and sending them out from me to
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them was just a really cool thing that I
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love doing I love connecting with people
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on a personal level so I don't want
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someone else to pretend to be me you
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know oh this this is from JJ when it's
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not you know um I don't know I just
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that's why as passate about it but yeah
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there is that's another thing that that
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no no one would know about you but
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you're um in of radio like you're a
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you're a you're a fighter for The
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Listener So like um there'll be a lot of
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people uh like like at Mor FM where you
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work down that probably happy to see the
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back of you oh there is if someone says
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hey great news JJ um every caller this
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week goes in the draw to win a pink
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ticket you'll be like [ __ ] off we're not
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doing that uh every caller that gets on
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needs to win a double pass and you'll
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you'll fight whereas most people like
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I'm I'm probably the same as fny who is
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your current cooworker I'll be like H
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I'm getting paid it's not my problem you
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want to you want to put everyone in the
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drawer for one ticket fine look I
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haven't I've I have been fighting and
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I've lost a lot of fights due to the
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financial situations of the media but um
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like no because I don't want people to
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have a [ __ ] experience I want people to
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have a great experience I want people to
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feel something they listen to the show
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they win something they just you know
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they just have a good time and what are
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they going to do they're gonna [ __ ]
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come back the next day well they're
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going to tell their friends and that's
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important to me because that's that was
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that's my living that's my life so it's
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important to me that I care about the
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people listening you know I mean I'm
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sure well if you're on the ear and you
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don't care about your listeners that
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much you're a [ __ ] fake fake fraud
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you need to reconsider your career
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choice I get real angry about it so yeah
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because what was the big battle you had
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last year like to do with Santa pictures
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or something there was a thing oh no I
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don't oh no no I did upset someone in
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the um promotions Department this this
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isn't about throwing anyone else under
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the bway this is just going going going
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to show the the the length that you go
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to about you know pouring your heart
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into the
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audience oh I don't actually want oh
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okay well we we took Santa on tour and
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everyone was going to get free Santa
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photos and and I was like oh cool how we
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you know how are we going to print them
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out what's the frame going to look like
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blah blah blah and I was told there's no
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money you know everyone's going to get a
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digital picture on their phone or
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whatever and I was like no no no no no
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no no no no no that's not going to
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happen not everyone has email but leave
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it or not and we did find this out by
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doing the tour it's amazing how many
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people do not have email or even uh a
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smartphone to send a digital photo to um
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and I just thought if you're going to go
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get your photo with Santa you're a kid
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you want to take something tangible away
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from that you get your photo then you
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hop in the car and you've got nothing so
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I just knew that would make the
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experience a little bit better and kids
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take it home it's a souvenir they put on
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the wall there JJ and fenny's name on
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there Mor F blah blah blah so um when I
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found out there was no money or not not
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that there was no money I just heard
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that we weren't doing it so I pulled my
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chair up next to um someone who was in
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charge of that and I said
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listen we are
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getting printed fot
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photos and she just looked at me and
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said no we're not we can't afford that
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and I was like no we are getting printed
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photos such an [ __ ] did you get did
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you get printed photos no this is what
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happen she goes we can't we've got no
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money she was really upset and I had to
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go and apologize to her later for being
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a diva but
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um I I said well we can't afford okay so
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why organize with Epson we were going to
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get a printer and we're just going to
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organize all that problem was it was
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such late notice we couldn't get the
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turnaround in time but you know Epson
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were pretty Keen to help us out and I
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just thought if you just had a bit more
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time and just asked around you might not
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even have to pay for it you could just
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get a sponsor or whatever um yeah so
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anyway we didn't get the printed photos
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and I'm just like I know it sounds like
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such a small thing but to me it's a big
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deal it Mak it just makes the experience
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that much
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better yeah um and I am sorry to that
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person she knows who she is and I have
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apologized to her and apologize to her
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again before um well one of my one of my
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favorite podcasts actually one of the
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most successful podcasts in the world is
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won by a guy called Steven Bartle called
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Diary of a CEO yeah fastest growing
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podcast in the world and he talks about
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1 percenters so his team's growing so
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big now they their attention to detail
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is um to the extent that when the guest
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arrives they've looked into what the
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guest favorite music has and they'll
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have that piping through the ceiling wow
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okay so immediately so say for you you
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walk in here today and it's Wham playing
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oh okay
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I've evolved from where okay no no but I
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suppose my my point is there's parallels
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between what you've done and what and
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what he does and I know that it's come
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at a great cost over the years like
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people calling you a diva calling you a
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[ __ ] you're calling you hard difficult
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hard work do you know it's only people
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it's it's not anyone I actually work
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with everyone loves me everyone I deal
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with loves me it's just like the people
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that like the people that
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uh make the
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decisions can find that about me because
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I will fight against the decision if I
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don't believe in it if I don't agree
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with it so that's why but management as
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well like I come I run into management
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all the time because we disagree on
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things but at the end of the day we
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still have huge respect for each other
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man management loves me because they
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know that I'm
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passionate I'm not doing it for selfish
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reasons I do nothing for myself I do
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everything thing for other people yeah
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that's true and that's why um I don't
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know I feel like this would have been
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water a Ducks back to you but this
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really annoyed me last week so you made
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the announcement on the year that you're
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finishing yeah and uh it was everywhere
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it was on newshub it was on one news uh
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staff and New Zealand Herald and after
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about an hour of the story going up uh
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New Zealand Herald had to disable their
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comments on Facebook I I didn't see what
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the what the comments were prior to the
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disabling yeah um but how did that make
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you feel
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well I didn't even know about it till
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you sent me the screenshot so thanks
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yeah um well I F I felt really bothered
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by it piss me oh really um but I I feel
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like even if you saw the comments
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whatever they were before they were
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disabled you wouldn't have you do have
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quite a good
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um I don't know what's the word I'm
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looking for quite a good yeah like a
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thick skin or just yeah I mean I had
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Paul Henry run for a podcast last week I
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feel like there's elements of um you
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know him and you where you literally
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don't give a flying f
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like you could waste so much
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energy and time on what strangers write
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about you on
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Facebook like why I this is one thing I
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always come back to why do you care what
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they say you don't know
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them you don't know them they don't
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actually know you they think they know
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you and so I don't care what they think
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and I'm not here to please everyone I
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don't I don't expect every person in New
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Zealand to think I'm the greatest radio
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person in the world I know there's only
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a couple hundred thousand people who
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think that because that's how many
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listeners we have so I don't expect
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everyone to like me what I find rude is
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that if you've got anything nasty to say
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about someone why would you say it
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publicly why would you put it on social
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media what sort of person are you to do
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that like all of my friends all the
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decent people I know no none of us would
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do something like that so you've got to
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think about the type of person that
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would do that I just don't have time for
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them I don't care you don't like me who
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gives a [ __ ] I don't like you either go
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away
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you're not wasting wasting your energy
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going online talking [ __ ] about them
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yeah exactly just [ __ ] off already sorry
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for my swearing but I am in such a sassy
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mood at the moment just really do you
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feel you actually you do seem to be like
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a like lighter in spirit since um you've
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made this
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announcement oh look it's a weight off
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my shoulder I have to
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say yeah it's just a huge weight I mean
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I'm really sad and on Friday is going to
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be hard it's going to be hard
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um
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but I've made the decision now so it's
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happening I can't stop it yes so this
00:18:40
podcast is going out on on a Thursday
00:18:42
like 24 hours um before you're going to
00:18:45
make your fwell speech have you put much
00:18:47
thought into what you're going to say
00:18:49
yes I have actually I've written already
00:18:51
oh damn I should have brought them with
00:18:52
me Mo most people will probably hear
00:18:54
this after the fact yeah have you got it
00:18:57
on your phone no
00:18:59
no to my car what's the gist of it uh I
00:19:02
can't even remember yeah bloody hell
00:19:04
it's just you g to go out with the bang
00:19:05
to O'Brien
00:19:07
style what did she say [ __ ] us I
00:19:10
actually okay this is what I really want
00:19:12
to do I'm not going to do this I'm not
00:19:14
going to do this but I wrote my speech
00:19:16
and this is what I really want to do at
00:19:17
the end of my speech this is what I was
00:19:20
going to say so I'll tell you because
00:19:22
it's not going to happen there's
00:19:24
something I've always wanted to say on
00:19:25
the radio and I've never had a chance
00:19:28
peace out
00:19:28
[Laughter]
00:19:32
[ __ ] but anyway I know if I say
00:19:35
that it' be funny but then the way
00:19:36
people that just go it's really unclassy
00:19:39
you could potentially undo a lot of work
00:19:40
a lot of good work you've done over and
00:19:42
it cost the company money from people
00:19:44
complaining to the broadcasting
00:19:46
standards Authority so I don't actually
00:19:47
want to do that I don't want to leave a
00:19:49
mess in my work you know I just I don't
00:19:52
know what I'm going to say at the end of
00:19:53
my speech I'll probably be blubbering me
00:19:55
so I'll probably be like thanks for
00:19:57
listening
00:19:59
yeah yeah I I think realistically you
00:20:00
will I think it's going to be a more
00:20:02
emotional day than what you're
00:20:04
anticipating that's why I wrote some
00:20:05
notes down because I thought oh there's
00:20:07
no way I'm going to be able to EDB this
00:20:08
but I don't know it's going to be hard
00:20:10
because I know how hard it's going to be
00:20:12
for fenny and Dave and even pledge
00:20:15
tomy's been a bit upset this weekend
00:20:17
those are my two producers Dave and
00:20:18
pledge they they're just so
00:20:21
upset they really they really don't want
00:20:25
our team to break up because we've been
00:20:26
such a good team and I don't want that
00:20:28
either
00:20:29
but you know I have to I have to do this
00:20:33
I just can't keep going at the moment
00:20:35
yeah but um it does demonstrate just how
00:20:38
good you are the fact that you've been
00:20:41
like on autopilot the last few years and
00:20:44
you still your ratings are still good
00:20:46
you it's a very tough category you're in
00:20:47
in the radio awards and you're in the
00:20:49
finals or you win every year that's um
00:20:52
like is it just too easy for you I was
00:20:55
maybe and that's maybe why I'm sort of a
00:20:56
bit bored it's too easy I don't know a
00:20:59
friend of mine that's a real good golfer
00:21:00
he was saying why the [ __ ] is JJ
00:21:02
quitting I I I don't know if this is a
00:21:03
good analogy or not but I said imagine
00:21:05
Lydia Co right one of the world's best
00:21:07
golfers imagine if she gets told by the
00:21:10
boss of the golf course hey in future we
00:21:12
only want you to do the pting nothing
00:21:15
else yeah so she's just not being pushed
00:21:18
yeah yeah it is a bit like that yeah I
00:21:21
think like working at the edge uh ruined
00:21:24
me in terms of you know we could just be
00:21:27
so creative
00:21:29
and we were encouraged to do the
00:21:30
craziest stuff and just do what you want
00:21:33
to do and at Mory is way different it's
00:21:36
more conservative very conservative and
00:21:39
they don't want you know to push
00:21:40
boundaries and you know they
00:21:42
everything's got to be family friendly
00:21:44
and even though I uh adapted to the role
00:21:47
pretty quick um I just I just don't
00:21:52
can't express yourself I'm just kind of
00:21:54
yeah I just feel like yeah there's Tes
00:21:56
of things I want to say and do sometimes
00:21:57
and I'm always like no told by the
00:21:59
producer or the boss no you can't do
00:22:02
that you can't do that and I'm like come
00:22:04
on I was seeing you through like a an
00:22:06
idea you like no couldn't do that
00:22:08
couldn't do that just can't so um yeah I
00:22:11
guess I guess I just aren't being
00:22:13
challenged enough but I do appreciate
00:22:15
that I've been able to work in the
00:22:16
afternoons which you know what I was
00:22:18
like doing
00:22:19
mornings oh so hard getting up in the
00:22:22
morning but um I'm always tired so even
00:22:24
in the afternoon I'm tired but I've got
00:22:26
way more energy yeah well you you me
00:22:28
mentioned you mentioned the edge so I
00:22:30
was there for 20 years most of that time
00:22:32
was with you and Mike P you were there
00:22:35
how many years in total uh since 94 to
00:22:39
2017 no not 94 yes 94 like 25 20 anyway
00:22:44
um I feel like I feel like that there
00:22:46
was there was a no no 27 years oh I
00:22:49
can't count I feel like there was a very
00:22:51
special like moment in time uh because
00:22:54
no one in radio is um like pushing
00:22:56
boundaries or doing anything really
00:22:57
creative these days it's harder now
00:22:59
though because social media has made it
00:23:02
harder because everyone's got a bloody
00:23:04
microphone so whenever someone is
00:23:07
unhappy with something instead of doing
00:23:09
the oldfashioned way of writing a letter
00:23:10
to complain to the boss they just
00:23:12
[ __ ] go on social media and and spt
00:23:15
their opinion so uh you've got to be you
00:23:18
can't upset people because but this is
00:23:20
all you just can't you're not even
00:23:22
allowed to have an opinion anymore
00:23:23
because it might upset people so but all
00:23:25
this is doing is accelerating the demise
00:23:27
of radio as an industry yeah and I just
00:23:29
think that the boss should be a little
00:23:30
bit more Brave and go [ __ ] it let's just
00:23:34
if you don't like it people exactly
00:23:36
you've got so many choices you don't
00:23:38
like it listen to The Breeze or magic
00:23:40
for God's sake yeah okay come on um you
00:23:44
don't have to pay for radio it's free
00:23:46
and you can
00:23:48
choose all right um okay let's go way
00:23:51
back uh so you've been doing this since
00:23:52
you were 16 years old hey you it was
00:23:55
before your 17th birthday you were still
00:23:57
at school and T where you started
00:23:59
working at um energy FM yeah I started
00:24:02
doing work experience when I was 15 and
00:24:04
just on my 17th birthday because my
00:24:07
birthday fell around Easter and Easter's
00:24:08
when I started on air yeah so I was
00:24:11
called up for the overnight show because
00:24:14
the back in those days and then in then
00:24:16
in
00:24:17
1991 there was no computers or anything
00:24:20
like CDs had just come out when could
00:24:22
just recently switch from records um so
00:24:25
there was had to be someone in the
00:24:26
station 24/7 there was no just you
00:24:28
couldn't just roll music non-stop
00:24:30
overnight so there was an overnight host
00:24:32
and she didn't show up and like who are
00:24:34
you going to get to work at 1: in the
00:24:35
morning none of your day hosts are going
00:24:37
to do it you know um and it's the last
00:24:41
minute so Steven Joyce who was the boss
00:24:43
at the time he was obviously desperate
00:24:46
so he called me and he said how would
00:24:48
you like to go on here and I was like
00:24:50
yes please so yes so you would have been
00:24:52
the only person in the building all by
00:24:54
yourself there was yeah yeah it's crazy
00:24:56
to think now cuz it's first of all
00:24:57
there's no overnight shift now cuz it's
00:24:59
all automated all with computers um but
00:25:01
to have like a a 16-year- old girl there
00:25:04
you'd want to have like a chaperon or
00:25:06
security or you know just how times have
00:25:09
changed what are what are your
00:25:10
Recollections of your first voice break
00:25:12
or your first show oh my God oh God I
00:25:14
must see if I can find the tape this
00:25:16
week cassette um yeah that's another
00:25:19
thing that people wouldn't know about JJ
00:25:21
you are a mad archiver I know I used to
00:25:25
be I'm not now I've kept like everything
00:25:27
that nothing's in an order I just
00:25:29
haven't had time to I
00:25:31
mean my photo gallery in album is an
00:25:34
absolute mess now but it used to be
00:25:36
organized but um yeah I mean I've got
00:25:38
heaps of cassettes and stuff from a che
00:25:41
but you know nothing from the last 15
00:25:44
years cuz since it's been computerized I
00:25:47
it stuff gets wiped every 3 months so
00:25:49
and I don't have copies of anything so
00:25:51
it's a bit of a bummer actually but yeah
00:25:54
it's quite sad that is that's one thing
00:25:55
I really enjoy about the podcasting it's
00:25:57
just more sort of permanent radio
00:26:00
whether you do something really good or
00:26:01
really terrible it's just sort of gone
00:26:03
it's gone and that's and then your 33e
00:26:05
career like a lot of people won't even
00:26:06
remember specifics of what you did
00:26:08
they'll just remember how you made them
00:26:09
feel yeah and that that is exactly what
00:26:12
I love doing the most it's making me
00:26:14
feel something okay so were you good
00:26:17
early on CU I I was um I think I was
00:26:19
like a year year or two ahead of you
00:26:20
maybe I was doing breakfast Shan palas
00:26:22
North and in the radio industry like
00:26:24
there was a there was a hum about you
00:26:26
real early on really like about you
00:26:27
being next big thing wow it's really
00:26:31
nice you must have felt it like you were
00:26:32
nominated for awards early on and
00:26:34
straight away straight
00:26:36
away um I don't but I don't know I don't
00:26:39
know I don't know I
00:26:42
just I just put myself out there I just
00:26:44
wanted to do well you know I was
00:26:46
starting my career I needed to make sure
00:26:48
this was going to be a long thing
00:26:49
longterm thing um yeah and you you were
00:26:52
really driven back then energetic
00:26:54
enthusiastic annoyed rubbed people up
00:26:56
the wrong way I was very annoying just
00:26:58
ambitious yeah my boss Steven Joyce
00:27:00
pulled me into the office one day at
00:27:02
energ FM so I was about 17 and a half
00:27:04
and he goes uh look um we've just had a
00:27:08
few people run the office say that you
00:27:10
maybe your ego is getting a bit out of
00:27:12
control oh my God oh my God I was like
00:27:17
what what I can't believe
00:27:21
this like I'm just me like I'm this is
00:27:23
bouncy stepen T but that's the thing I
00:27:25
must have come across that way I would
00:27:27
so annoying but I was just confident
00:27:29
yeah I'm not that now far out not that
00:27:31
confident um what is that saying that
00:27:33
youth is wasted on the young yeah that's
00:27:35
the thing it's but I looked back now and
00:27:36
I think far out what a pain in the ass I
00:27:38
must have been but hey whatever whatever
00:27:41
I'm here now and um my first voice break
00:27:43
was awful I was like my voice was so
00:27:46
high I was scared as how my heart was
00:27:49
racing I wrote down everything I said
00:27:51
for about the first six weeks on here
00:27:53
you know and um it was just like energy
00:27:56
FM taranaki's best music the most
00:28:01
fun I don't know it was just anyway JJ
00:28:04
FY keeping you company till 1 a.m. or
00:28:06
here Brian Adams Summer of 69 oh my God
00:28:09
new music on energy FM t something like
00:28:12
that so close in Ste you still got have
00:28:16
you got a tape of it somewhere yeah I'm
00:28:17
going to I I'll have a look and see if I
00:28:19
can drag it out before the end of the
00:28:20
week wonder will it still
00:28:22
play I was going to ask you uh have you
00:28:24
still got that um boom box that converts
00:28:27
to USB I do yeah bought a tape player
00:28:30
where you can convert them to USB oh
00:28:32
yeah okay well I'll borrow that off you
00:28:34
I'll try and get it maybe I could get on
00:28:35
a time for you to put this podcast up if
00:28:37
I get in the next day or two yeah that'
00:28:39
be amazing and you can insert here first
00:28:42
voice break ever on energy FM
00:28:45
1991 17 years
00:28:48
old no
00:28:54
experience taranaki's best music 93.2 G
00:28:58
FM the station that's live and local 24
00:29:00
hours every day with the Escape Club and
00:29:03
call it poison it's 10 1 on a dark
00:29:05
Saturday morning I'm JJ feny and we're
00:29:08
rolling through more than half an hour
00:29:09
of continuous stereo music along the way
00:29:12
Stevie Nicks ice house and Madonna but
00:29:15
he's sting and all this time on energy
00:29:19
FM no
00:29:22
future yeah it's pretty awful but um
00:29:25
Steven Joyce would have me in his office
00:29:27
and and he would listen to the tape it's
00:29:29
called an ear check they ear check you
00:29:31
they listen to you and he he was giving
00:29:33
me tips and they weren't just about what
00:29:35
I'm saying CU back then I basically had
00:29:38
to read liners and stuff it was more he
00:29:40
go add light and shade in your voice
00:29:42
smile here pause here and he would just
00:29:44
give me all these kind of technical tips
00:29:46
and i' would put a sign on the um in
00:29:48
front of me that said smile so when I'm
00:29:50
talking I'll be like energ
00:29:53
him you know so I listened to everything
00:29:56
he said I still I think I've still got
00:29:58
his notes somewhere but yeah yeah cuz I
00:30:01
had the same sort of coaching and the
00:30:03
the big saying at the time in radio was
00:30:04
tight bright and real so you had to keep
00:30:07
it tight be upbeat and but also be real
00:30:10
have fun be relaxed but it's like you
00:30:12
got to be relaxed within those
00:30:13
constraints yeah yeah um first and last
00:30:16
time and you got your boobs out oh jeez
00:30:18
I feel like this was
00:30:20
um yeah this was like sort of a big part
00:30:23
of your career really oh
00:30:25
unfortunately I don't know like uh um I
00:30:29
always had quite great quite great birds
00:30:32
right they're even okay now I've had a
00:30:33
Brit reduction and I'm 50 so they're you
00:30:36
know they're not bad now but not like
00:30:38
the hey day and I I was you're not going
00:30:40
to get them out on your pH show for all
00:30:41
time sake do you want to see them
00:30:45
now I just ask your
00:30:47
girlfriend can I flash on
00:30:50
my um first time when did you first
00:30:53
nudity was like quite a big thing when
00:30:55
we were at the edge and I think it um it
00:30:57
got to the point a lot of people like oh
00:30:59
[ __ ] oh the just love taking their kid
00:31:01
off but from from our perspective I may
00:31:04
have this wrong correct me if I wrong
00:31:05
but it's
00:31:07
like some of people's biggest most
00:31:09
people's biggest fears of public
00:31:10
speaking which we were doing yeah and
00:31:12
getting naked in public oh God yeah so
00:31:14
to do that it's like crossing a couple
00:31:16
of boundaries immediately that no one
00:31:18
would ever do it always pulled a crowd
00:31:20
getting nude was always always getting
00:31:22
hits always getting ratings so it was
00:31:24
just one of those things that you just
00:31:26
did cuz you knew it was going to work
00:31:27
like after a while it becomes like
00:31:29
diminishing returns but when was the
00:31:31
first time where did that start oh God I
00:31:35
think I think I can't I don't know I
00:31:39
can't really remember it might have been
00:31:41
the roundabout are the body painted
00:31:42
tenners no before that there's this big
00:31:47
roundabout in Hamilton cuz uh Founders
00:31:49
Founders theater
00:31:51
roundabout the statue of the sheep yeah
00:31:53
and um I think I did like strip honking
00:31:58
oh yeah so car cars drive past they're
00:32:00
listening to the radio CU it's live and
00:32:02
for every toot you take off an item of
00:32:04
clothing yeah I think that was that then
00:32:07
you get a truck driver that toots 10
00:32:08
times and ruins it yeah and I was down
00:32:09
to my G string like very quick but the
00:32:12
busiest roundabout ever like there's a
00:32:15
traffic jam guys in bloody um fluo vests
00:32:19
and hard hats bloody trying to
00:32:22
get I mean this is remember this is like
00:32:25
early '90s the internet was just new
00:32:27
there wasn't a lot of places to see nude
00:32:28
women this is like free porn and I had a
00:32:32
good rig back then I mean I've always
00:32:34
thought I was fat but I wasn't I look
00:32:36
back now and I'm like wow what I do for
00:32:37
that body again and then we did yeah
00:32:39
nude tennis was probably the most one of
00:32:42
the most famous things we did at the
00:32:44
time um in terms of in the industry as
00:32:46
well so me and bad ugly Bob who was my H
00:32:49
co-host at the time he's since passed
00:32:51
away which it's a bit sad cuz he's very
00:32:53
he was very [ __ ] cool but um when the
00:32:56
Davis Cup was in New Zealand
00:32:58
uh New Zealand against Switzerland I
00:33:00
think we're playing so we decided to
00:33:02
have a tennis match in the middle of the
00:33:03
main street of Victoria Street Hamilton
00:33:06
so we basically stopped traffic and he
00:33:09
was Bob was body painted in New Zealand
00:33:11
colors and I was body body painted in
00:33:13
the Swiss so I had a g string on but
00:33:15
otherwise you
00:33:17
know and the paint was just some [ __ ]
00:33:20
cheap paint from the Art Shop that was
00:33:21
cracking as soon as it dried just got
00:33:24
crack painel over me and we were just
00:33:26
playing tennis like not not to any rules
00:33:29
or anything just whacking the ball back
00:33:30
and forth basically and this huge crowd
00:33:32
there and you know people just started
00:33:35
cheing in
00:33:37
and yeah that was that yeah people just
00:33:39
tuned in because they wanted to know
00:33:41
what hell what the hell's going on and
00:33:42
this is the age just started getting
00:33:44
bigger and bigger and bigger from doing
00:33:45
stunts like that like in public and
00:33:48
stuff that no one else had the gut guts
00:33:49
to do yeah cuz it was all about like
00:33:52
creating noise eh so if you hear enough
00:33:55
about something it's like a TV show now
00:33:57
or
00:33:58
someone on Instagram or Tik Tok if you
00:33:59
hear enough about someone you'll end up
00:34:01
giving them a follow yeah and it was the
00:34:02
same sort of thing with radio back then
00:34:03
I feel like they would still apply now
00:34:05
but no one's got the sort of courage to
00:34:07
do
00:34:08
anything really sort of yeah Dearing or
00:34:11
interesting oh what um what about Jason
00:34:13
dero was that the most oh Jason D
00:34:16
memorable taned my verbs oh my
00:34:20
God I just still can't believe that
00:34:22
happened because I can't believe that
00:34:24
Jason Derulo or his publicist or
00:34:26
whatever let him do that to me so I took
00:34:29
my top off in the studio like absolutely
00:34:33
like it's on YouTube you can Google it
00:34:35
if you like um and he put He put these
00:34:38
Ms on these tanning Ms that we' just
00:34:40
been sent and was like rubbing my just
00:34:43
like he was there in the time of his
00:34:44
life and I'm like yes this is amazing
00:34:47
yeah you remember um cuz we we we talked
00:34:50
about the idea CU this was you me and
00:34:51
Mike we talked about the idea and we
00:34:53
thought oh maybe Dera will be pulled out
00:34:55
of the interview or he'll walk out but
00:34:58
either way that's a good outcome but he
00:35:00
was into it and it it was called secret
00:35:01
glow and as he was putting it on he was
00:35:03
like it's not a secret
00:35:05
anymore the magic Jason
00:35:09
okay JJ this is awesome hands away JJ
00:35:13
hands away
00:35:17
amazing they feels so
00:35:19
good that's what I'm
00:35:23
saying and you know the weird thing is
00:35:24
like after that interview about 10
00:35:27
minutes after he left I started getting
00:35:30
I started burning so I actually was
00:35:32
allergic to the tan so I had to go and I
00:35:35
didn't have a towel or anything but I to
00:35:36
try and find one a scratchy old towel at
00:35:38
work and um go and have a shower and
00:35:40
wash it all off that's
00:35:44
amazing um are there any moments that
00:35:46
make you cringe thinking about that come
00:35:47
to mind I'm sure if you had if I gave
00:35:49
you five minutes to think about it I'm
00:35:51
sure you could come up with the list but
00:35:52
anything that Springs toor oh God oh my
00:35:54
my memory is so [ __ ] there just so many
00:35:56
things in it you know um God I there's a
00:35:59
lot of things that make you cringe I
00:36:01
think I I generally forget straight away
00:36:04
um you can you think of
00:36:07
anything oh I don't know oh I don't know
00:36:09
I was really bummed out this is one of
00:36:11
the best things we did maybe on your
00:36:12
final year at the edge um where we did a
00:36:15
prank called a Simon banet and Gary MCC
00:36:17
on um um yeah we won an award for that
00:36:21
but they they they end up taking it
00:36:22
really badly and I learned that day a a
00:36:25
prank is only really good if the person
00:36:28
you're pranking finds it good yeah only
00:36:30
it's like any joke it's only funny if
00:36:32
the person you're telling it to thinks
00:36:34
it's funny otherwise we no way no way of
00:36:37
knowing yeah I thought they'd take it in
00:36:39
good fun but they they didn't you I
00:36:41
think we just they were embarrassed and
00:36:44
that's the problem when when you're
00:36:45
embarrassed when you've got egg on your
00:36:48
face you know it's that's the problem is
00:36:51
we embarrass them so much and I I you
00:36:53
know I feel bad about that but also we
00:36:56
won like the best bit of the year on
00:36:58
radio for the prank and there was so
00:37:01
much work that went into that prank um
00:37:04
Tom Cruz impersonator it was I'm just it
00:37:07
was genius actually it
00:37:09
genius so I don't really regret the
00:37:12
prank but I do regret upsetting people
00:37:14
yeah but it really puts a like we won
00:37:16
the award like eight months after the
00:37:19
call happened and it's like oh it just
00:37:21
felt like a hollow Victory because it's
00:37:22
like you don't want to upset anyone also
00:37:24
I had started at Mory fam already so I'm
00:37:27
sitting at the table at the radio awards
00:37:30
with Simon bnet and Gary McCormack and
00:37:33
Sam backer their producer who had burst
00:37:35
into tears and told me to get a life and
00:37:38
I'm sitting there at this none of them
00:37:40
are looking at me when they say the Tom
00:37:42
Cruz prank and the award you know goes
00:37:44
to JJ Mike and Dom or whoever it was JJ
00:37:46
Dom Rand can't remember now JJ Dom Rand
00:37:48
obviously and um I I it was so it was
00:37:52
awkward it was so awkward so it was a
00:37:54
hollow Victory I felt so embarrassed and
00:37:57
actually is that why you're leaving now
00:37:58
cuz it's just been recently announced
00:38:00
that Simon bannet is returning to Mor FM
00:38:02
protest it might have been in his
00:38:04
contract that he refuses to work with
00:38:07
me and so I'm like okay no I'm joking um
00:38:11
2014 would you say that's your that's
00:38:14
your best year or most memorable year in
00:38:15
radio 2014 yeah what happened that year
00:38:19
the the radio WS that year you were
00:38:20
hosting with K Water um and it was also
00:38:24
the first year that there was there was
00:38:25
a couple of new categories introduced
00:38:27
the kin black award and the S homes
00:38:30
award and we we cleaned up that year oh
00:38:32
right that was a good year yeah I mean
00:38:36
but the thing about radio awards
00:38:38
is you know it looks good on your CV not
00:38:42
that you need your CV for anything
00:38:43
because there's only two radio companies
00:38:45
but um you know you win the award and
00:38:47
you feel really good about yourself but
00:38:49
then the next day it's never mentioned
00:38:51
again ever you know is the only time
00:38:54
it's ever mentioned is when Mike Hoskins
00:38:56
wins it because you know the herald
00:38:59
owns yeah so of course everything he
00:39:02
does like in the news but it's basically
00:39:05
just forgotten and and then the next
00:39:08
year someone else wins it so it's like
00:39:09
whatever yeah that's one thing um I
00:39:12
found I was quite um it it'll be
00:39:14
interest to see what your take is in 3
00:39:16
months 6 months 12 months from now CU I
00:39:18
found that you you you and you and me
00:39:20
our past were very similar I was in
00:39:22
radio for a very long time yeah um and
00:39:24
then you get out and you realize you've
00:39:27
worked so [ __ ] hard in this industry
00:39:29
that you're so passionate about and no
00:39:30
one else gives a flying [ __ ] um I don't
00:39:33
even know when the radio ratings come
00:39:34
out now I I never know what the results
00:39:36
are unless I get a popup as you say from
00:39:38
New Zealand Herald saying how good their
00:39:40
radio stations have done yeah and they
00:39:41
never mention us it's just if you're if
00:39:43
you're out of that um that sort of orbit
00:39:47
it's it's just not even a thing and um
00:39:50
what what made me upset about that is
00:39:52
like I put so much of myself into this
00:39:55
and you realize oh I could have put this
00:39:57
energy into far more valuable things
00:39:59
yeah I know in a way that's how I feel
00:40:02
too this is how I feel I feel like okay
00:40:04
I've done 33 years
00:40:06
and what am I going to get nothing you
00:40:10
know I'm going to get a shared lunch on
00:40:12
Friday and you know a speech and that's
00:40:17
it it's good memories and you yeah and
00:40:20
that's the thing is like you can't rely
00:40:22
on other people to make it good for you
00:40:24
you have got to make it good for
00:40:25
yourself
00:40:27
yeah yeah how how has the radio industry
00:40:30
evolved since you first started for
00:40:31
better and For Worse oh
00:40:34
God that was a j GPT question by the way
00:40:37
was it yeah I thought it was quite good
00:40:39
I was going to say it sounds a bit wordy
00:40:40
for you um well obviously technology has
00:40:43
evolved so um you know there's a lot of
00:40:46
Automation and and being like when I
00:40:48
started on radio you no one knew what
00:40:51
you looked like there was no your face
00:40:53
was nowhere you were Anonymous you could
00:40:55
walk down the street and no one knew you
00:40:57
but now your face is everywhere because
00:40:58
of social media and um all that sort of
00:41:01
stuff so you're you forget like when
00:41:03
you're on the air you're being filmed as
00:41:05
well I always forget that cuz the
00:41:06
cameras are just on the wall and I I
00:41:07
forget they're there and every time I
00:41:09
see a video I'm like oh my God bad angle
00:41:11
bad angle bad angle whatever oh why did
00:41:13
I dress up for work well I can't be
00:41:15
bothered but um so yeah technology has
00:41:18
evolved um and you know we it goes from
00:41:21
Cycles like it it was very um straight
00:41:23
you know you just do fun fun fun promos
00:41:27
and and PE and and you talk about fun
00:41:29
promos like going down the beach with
00:41:31
the free Coke on the weekends and stuff
00:41:33
to people who are out the beach the coke
00:41:35
Patrol yeah and then it evolved into all
00:41:36
the stunty stuff that we did like at the
00:41:38
edge and then now it's come back around
00:41:39
again and it's a bit more sensible and
00:41:42
you know try not to piss people off so
00:41:44
it's evolved in that way and I don't
00:41:47
know like all through my entire career
00:41:50
people always go oh something news come
00:41:53
up it's going to kill radio you know oh
00:41:55
CDs are going to kill radio kill radio V
00:41:58
music videos are going to kill radio
00:42:00
didn't kill radio I remember we when the
00:42:02
when the iPod first came out everyone
00:42:04
was like w you're going to hold like a
00:42:05
thousand songs on this radio is dead
00:42:07
your radio has always been very
00:42:09
resilient he and very good at evolving
00:42:11
and um facing up to the challenges yeah
00:42:14
what do you what do you think is the
00:42:15
future of radio except I do think that
00:42:17
what's going to kill radio is
00:42:19
podcasts I do think that um so radio's
00:42:23
really got to take a good look at itself
00:42:26
right
00:42:28
now
00:42:29
and I think like we've lost a lot of the
00:42:33
connection
00:42:35
um with
00:42:38
radio the reason people like listening
00:42:40
to us is they feel like they know us
00:42:42
they can connect with us but if we can't
00:42:44
be honest and have our opinions why are
00:42:47
people connecting with us not because
00:42:49
I'm talking about um oh the this the oil
00:42:53
light's been on on in my car for 2 weeks
00:42:55
give us a call and tell us what
00:42:57
you know what light's been on in your
00:42:59
car forever like no one's going to
00:43:01
connect anymore so why aren't they
00:43:03
letting us be us and just say what we
00:43:06
want to say they hire us because we're
00:43:09
personalities but then I feel like we're
00:43:11
being controlled now and like you can't
00:43:14
say this and you can't say that and you
00:43:16
can't be you like I don't want to be a
00:43:19
puppet and I think that's the problem is
00:43:23
they've got to let us like be
00:43:25
personalities again and connect with
00:43:26
people
00:43:27
well you look at look at the most
00:43:29
successful people in the country um say
00:43:31
Paul Henry Mike hosking um they are UNAM
00:43:35
themselves yeah and you like or hate
00:43:38
Mike hosking right yeah so polarizing
00:43:40
people hate him but they're still
00:43:41
listening to him what do you think he
00:43:43
cares about the haters no he doesn't cuz
00:43:46
he's he's so good at what he does he
00:43:48
doesn't even care and that's that's
00:43:49
awesome I love people who don't give a
00:43:51
[ __ ] yeah I don't know Argan sometimes
00:43:53
when he gets out of the shower he
00:43:54
probably cries into his V oh he probably
00:43:56
does I mean I hear new talkless can be a
00:43:58
bit brutal you know with their with the
00:44:00
comments like we get some brutal texts
00:44:01
and stuff but nothing like that would
00:44:04
get um yeah it's it's interesting yeah I
00:44:07
I tend to agree I feel like the future's
00:44:08
probably um more micro audiences on
00:44:12
podcast than the big audiences of radio
00:44:14
stations so instead of having Mor FM
00:44:16
with half a million listeners or ZB with
00:44:18
a million listeners or whatever it just
00:44:20
be a bunch of podcast with 50,000
00:44:22
listeners or 20,000 listeners or maybe
00:44:24
well you look at on social media micro
00:44:26
influencers so if you've only got 10,000
00:44:29
followers you can be making a good
00:44:31
living selling you know pimping products
00:44:34
yeah you don't have to have 100,000
00:44:36
followers or whatever because because
00:44:38
companies want to get people who are
00:44:40
targeting Their audience specifically so
00:44:44
micro audiences are a yeah big thing
00:44:47
yeah and and podcasting is such an
00:44:48
intimate experience like I think most of
00:44:50
it's probably done alone or with airpods
00:44:52
in or whatever um what what advice would
00:44:55
you give to someone that's thinking
00:44:57
about getting into radio
00:44:58
now oh um Run for the
00:45:02
hills no I wouldn't like no it's been
00:45:05
it's been very good to you and to me
00:45:07
yeah no I'm not I'm not yeah there's
00:45:09
still a lot of life left in the old dog
00:45:11
yet is hell yeah there is Radio is still
00:45:13
despite what I said before about podcast
00:45:15
it's going to take a while because radio
00:45:17
is still the number one consumed audio
00:45:19
in the world by a long shot and
00:45:23
especially like with our generation we
00:45:26
grew up listening to the radio so it's
00:45:27
in our habits to listen to the radio
00:45:29
younger ones they're not really growing
00:45:31
up with the radio in their room so much
00:45:32
so it may change a little bit well no
00:45:35
one has a radio in there I mean I'm the
00:45:37
exception but most people don't have a
00:45:39
radio in their house anymore like an
00:45:40
actual an actual unit do they yeah I
00:45:43
don't even have
00:45:44
one but um I think like for new people I
00:45:48
would just say like first of all it's
00:45:52
going to be hard
00:45:53
work it is going to be hard work and you
00:45:57
if you want to succeed you really have
00:45:59
to put yourself out there as much as
00:46:00
possible like really find out where the
00:46:03
boundaries are and push as far as you
00:46:07
can and just um you know you have to do
00:46:10
a lot of self marketing because there's
00:46:12
never any money to Market your show ever
00:46:15
but it's it's never been easier to do
00:46:17
that than what it is now though with say
00:46:18
you know Tech various platforms you know
00:46:20
TK Tok Instagram all that and i' also
00:46:22
say there's like so many different jobs
00:46:24
in radio not just being on the air you
00:46:26
could be a producer you could be a
00:46:27
writer like someone who writes ads you
00:46:29
could be in the promo department and you
00:46:31
set up like the big station events or
00:46:33
you you set up you sell to clients to
00:46:36
get the great promos on the air like
00:46:38
trips to give away and stuff or you
00:46:39
could be a salesperson or you could be
00:46:41
the receptionist or you know you could
00:46:43
be in the podcast section of work or
00:46:45
this you could be a programmer a
00:46:47
contentor there's so many jobs so if
00:46:49
you're getting into radio like I'd spend
00:46:51
a bit of time really working out which
00:46:52
one of those is going to be your most
00:46:54
passionate what are you going to be the
00:46:55
best at and just and just go for it and
00:46:58
just have fun just have
00:47:00
fun as someone who is uh again I'm
00:47:04
biased here but I'd say I'd say you're
00:47:05
the goat you know that that term gets
00:47:07
thrown around but um this is so weird
00:47:10
yes but in terms of um in terms of like
00:47:13
everything you've done longevity success
00:47:16
money that you've earned impact you've
00:47:18
made whatever measure you want to take
00:47:19
it on I'd say you're the you're the goat
00:47:21
when it comes to female New Zealand
00:47:23
broadcasters and music radio uh what
00:47:25
qualities do you think are essential for
00:47:27
success in
00:47:28
broadcasting you can't take yourself too
00:47:31
seriously you have to
00:47:34
be willing
00:47:37
to do things you don't want to do and
00:47:40
share more of yourself than you want to
00:47:42
share you have to be vulnerable and open
00:47:44
and honest those those are hard for a
00:47:46
lot of people to do a lot of people
00:47:47
don't want to talk about what's really
00:47:50
happening in their life but you you
00:47:53
really just have to uh you have to just
00:47:55
connect with people and be just remember
00:47:57
your listeners if they if they're not
00:48:00
there you don't have a job so look after
00:48:03
them don't take them for granted make
00:48:07
them love
00:48:08
you that's just and then everything else
00:48:12
is sweet not even r at work has to love
00:48:14
you like the checking the
00:48:17
promotion had a fight over the S you
00:48:20
don't not everyone has to love you but
00:48:22
um your listeners have to love you yeah
00:48:25
yeah and I just appreciate your one
00:48:27
thing I've found doing this um podcast
00:48:28
for like two and a bit years now is um
00:48:31
um vulnerability is sexy as [ __ ] is it
00:48:33
yeah like everyone everyone has everyone
00:48:36
has flaws everyone has demons everyone
00:48:39
has [ __ ] going on and uh if you can
00:48:41
embrace it it just makes people lean
00:48:44
into you yeah it's really awkward though
00:48:46
it is it's embarrassing it's hard it's
00:48:48
hard yeah even I find it hard you and I
00:48:50
have given like you pretty much no
00:48:52
bloody everything about us you do it's
00:48:55
always like we have to either tell you
00:48:58
or someone else tells you but it's it is
00:49:00
embarrassing it is hard at times but
00:49:03
it's just part of the job yeah no you
00:49:07
know over the years you know I've
00:49:09
reflected on that about and there's once
00:49:11
you give stuff away you can't take it
00:49:12
back yeah um yes once I feel like in
00:49:15
some ways we maybe gave too too much of
00:49:17
ourselves away we just wanted wanted to
00:49:19
win at all cost also like in real life
00:49:23
you and I are open people we we we we do
00:49:26
share too much like I'm not I'm not
00:49:28
someone who has too many secrets and I
00:49:31
don't like lying or hiding things so I
00:49:34
will I wear my heart on my sleeve I
00:49:37
will this is me like you can get all of
00:49:39
it the sort of person I am the sort of
00:49:42
person you are too we do overshare
00:49:44
accidentally lying lying's too hard oh
00:49:47
lying then you just got the [ __ ] to
00:49:50
remember um I was going to wrap it up
00:49:52
should we do some just sort of um quick
00:49:54
fire or throw some names at you how are
00:49:56
you going for time
00:49:57
oh I'm all right I probably got about
00:49:58
another 15 minutes comfortably okay
00:50:01
we'll just see how it goes 2008 shaving
00:50:03
your head Reflections on that I loved
00:50:06
that okay so I shaved my head I raised
00:50:08
$111,000 for the leukemia and blood
00:50:10
foundation and so we said if we if I
00:50:14
raise 5,000 I'd shave my head we got
00:50:16
Monty beam and to shave my head for me I
00:50:19
saw a photo of this the other day so
00:50:20
this is 2008 he looks exactly the same
00:50:23
now I loved I loved it like I was scared
00:50:27
but yeah you were petrified a lot of
00:50:29
people are real fussy with their hair
00:50:30
but I'm not so I was just like well
00:50:32
it'll grow back but I was worried like
00:50:34
what will I look like but then you know
00:50:36
you can always get a WG or a hash and I
00:50:38
just thought it looked kind of fierce I
00:50:40
did I did get treated differently for a
00:50:43
while like when you go places you can
00:50:45
just like same as when I had dreadlocks
00:50:47
when I was bored and had dreadlocks I
00:50:49
got treated differently by people that's
00:50:51
right the white dreadlocks in the '90s
00:50:53
early 2000s I was dating you so it was
00:50:56
like you were it was like
00:50:58
999 yeah it was around 99 2000 probably
00:51:01
about the time of like Limp Biscuit even
00:51:04
Ence I don't know I got talked into the
00:51:06
dreads but look either way people do
00:51:09
judge you I feel like now now you'd be
00:51:11
canceled for cultural misappropriation
00:51:14
probably would wouldn't I probably it's
00:51:16
a bit weird see people take things too
00:51:18
far though come on yeah are you if I get
00:51:21
dreadlocks does it make me like racist
00:51:23
or something no but anyway um but there
00:51:26
was a big called that's what I'm saying
00:51:27
before about you being the goat I mean
00:51:28
um yeah poly GIS also had a phenomenal
00:51:31
career but I couldn't imagine her
00:51:32
shaving her head um Carrie woodam I
00:51:34
couldn't imagine her ever ever doing it
00:51:36
well they would have all been offered
00:51:37
the opportunity cuz I've been asked a
00:51:39
few times to save it but I thought I've
00:51:40
already done it once I don't want to do
00:51:42
it again but um like whatever didn't
00:51:45
matter I I I really I'm really proud
00:51:47
that I did that I wish I'd rais more
00:51:49
money actually but I at the time I
00:51:50
thought that was a shitload of money
00:51:52
yeah it was it was cool it cool Clark
00:51:54
gford what about him well just like his
00:51:58
story that Springs to mind when I say
00:51:59
that name CL G he was um he's just into
00:52:02
aan husband yeah so yeah well I went
00:52:04
with him on the edge breakfast show I
00:52:06
think I took his job no we overleap for
00:52:09
a little bit I think no you didn't take
00:52:11
his job he cuz he he started doing like
00:52:14
cow TV or something in the South Island
00:52:17
chist I think and then um or denen then
00:52:20
he came to work with us and he was like
00:52:22
really I really enjoyed working with
00:52:24
Clark he was such a great guy and we got
00:52:26
got on really well and like we were
00:52:28
young so we'd get up to a bit of
00:52:29
Mischief together nothing naughty like
00:52:33
no nothing um sexual not me and him but
00:52:35
you know just like hanging out with go
00:52:37
get drunk and yeah and do and do pranks
00:52:40
and things like we just yeah we had fun
00:52:42
time oh here's a blast from the past um
00:52:45
Chingy Chingy oh Chingy oh my God come
00:52:50
on one more boob story oh Chingy okay he
00:52:53
what was his song um right there right I
00:52:56
like it when you put him right there
00:52:58
right there yeah I don't know why I he
00:53:00
said something like oh that's right we
00:53:02
came in he came in for an interview and
00:53:03
his name's
00:53:04
Howard Howard is his name not chy but
00:53:07
anyway we were talking to him I was like
00:53:09
um I I can't remember what happened
00:53:11
anyway he go I said what what do I call
00:53:13
you or what what happens if I see you at
00:53:15
you know Edge Fest and he goes you say
00:53:17
what's good Howard okay and uh and then
00:53:20
he said something like put him on a
00:53:21
glass or something I I don't know anyway
00:53:24
I thought this would be hilarious I
00:53:26
wrote what's good how across my chest
00:53:29
and went and press
00:53:31
my on the back of his picom boobs on his
00:53:34
window of his P come and he and all his
00:53:38
bandmates were loving it hilarious um
00:53:41
Tom Cruz Tom Cruz best celebrity
00:53:44
experience ever you will you will attest
00:53:46
to this um look people say Tom Cruz is
00:53:49
crazy and I think after our experience
00:53:52
with him you could probably say maybe he
00:53:54
is but look he he's just
00:53:59
like such a long story
00:54:02
look
00:54:04
we Tom Cruz was in town we we had a
00:54:07
bounty $5,000 Bounty this is before the
00:54:09
this is where we got
00:54:11
the this when Simon Bonnet decided to do
00:54:13
a $5,000 Bounty this is why we got a Tom
00:54:15
Cruz impersonated because we were pissed
00:54:17
off that he had stolen our idea from
00:54:18
years ago yes this is the early 2000s
00:54:20
when Tom Cruz was in taneki filming the
00:54:22
movie Last Mur and not he he did like a
00:54:24
I think there was a poty on a Ral yeah
00:54:26
and then maybe a press conference and no
00:54:28
other media I was at the press
00:54:29
conference and I did ask ask him a
00:54:31
question my question at the press
00:54:33
conference was what are you doing
00:54:35
later so he remembered me from that but
00:54:38
um we'd put a $5,000 Bounty out there if
00:54:41
you get Tom Cruz to call us for 5
00:54:42
minutes we'll give you $5,000 people
00:54:44
just went nuts trying to get Tom Cruz to
00:54:46
call us like they were leaving messages
00:54:47
in the letter box of the house he was
00:54:49
staying at and trying to get people on
00:54:50
set to uh you know talk to them so in
00:54:52
the end um his sister called us and she
00:54:55
said
00:54:57
we will get Tom to call you we need to
00:54:59
put a stop to this but there's a school
00:55:02
in uroi and they want to get a
00:55:04
sunshelter for the the kids and it's
00:55:06
$144,000 how about you up your 5,000 to
00:55:08
7 and Tom will pay the other seven and
00:55:11
you can go halves and giving uroi School
00:55:13
the sun shelter and we unbelievable P
00:55:16
hell yes yeah so Tom Cruz calls us it's
00:55:19
meant to be five minutes live on the air
00:55:22
20 minutes later we're chatting to him
00:55:24
20 minutes it was amazing and then had
00:55:26
just finished a night shoot it was like4
00:55:28
to 700 in the morning yeah and he called
00:55:30
us and he was just so great and he was
00:55:31
telling a story about getting fish and
00:55:32
chips and Ur Beach and blah blah all the
00:55:34
stuff um anyway so we next minute you
00:55:37
know the news is all over it and we go
00:55:40
to urano school and give them the this
00:55:42
giant check from us and Tom Cruz Tom
00:55:45
wasn't there and that got gets on the
00:55:47
news and everything and we were like
00:55:48
that is so cool we want to thank you Tom
00:55:51
so we um got thousands of people in
00:55:54
tanaki to show up at the bowl of
00:55:55
Brooklyns we're Black And We spelled out
00:55:58
tomaki on the grass so we renamed
00:56:01
taranaki Tomi and the Daily News flew
00:56:06
over took this amazing photo it was
00:56:08
Front Page News by the way for under the
00:56:11
age of 35 The Daily News is a newspaper
00:56:14
ask you ask your parents and and um Tom
00:56:18
saw it he bloody loved it okay he loved
00:56:22
it and he um first of all he sent us
00:56:25
like this giant bunch of flowers like
00:56:28
never seen a bigger bunch of flowers
00:56:29
right must have cost him 500 bucks um
00:56:32
and he invited us to the set of The Last
00:56:35
Samurai and we weren't allowed to tell
00:56:37
anyone and it could only be me you Jason
00:56:39
Reeves and our promotions person and
00:56:42
newth at the time Becks and we had to go
00:56:45
in secret and we were Charter flight got
00:56:48
a charter flight there and we arrived at
00:56:51
the set and Tom Cruz was doing one of
00:56:53
the scenes and it was just surreal
00:56:54
standing there watching him bloody
00:56:56
filming this Hollywood movie and um he
00:56:59
met with us and we gave him some gifts
00:57:01
and we got photos with him and he um he
00:57:05
you know he was just really really
00:57:07
passionate talking to us really just
00:57:09
really Thanking us for you know making
00:57:11
his time there awesome bloody blah blah
00:57:13
blah for the Tomi thing and um he and he
00:57:16
goes how about you guys go and have some
00:57:18
lunch over there so we went over to this
00:57:20
big mess tent where all the actors are
00:57:22
bloody Tom cruzers Doppel gang is there
00:57:25
and there's just all these food truck
00:57:27
sort of things and we had this lunch and
00:57:29
we were all sitting there going wow we
00:57:31
just met Tom Cruz like how Buzzy is this
00:57:33
what the [ __ ] just happened and then and
00:57:35
then this guy comes over and he goes uh
00:57:37
Tom Cruz wants to see you in his trailer
00:57:40
so when you finish your lunch can you go
00:57:42
over to his trailer and we were like um
00:57:45
okay so we go over to his trailer which
00:57:48
is this big white Caravan thing and it's
00:57:50
surrounded by this little white picket
00:57:52
fence there's no security nobody around
00:57:55
just us for
00:57:56
and we step up and there's Tom just like
00:58:00
doing these stretches from the ceiling
00:58:02
of the correct me if I'm wrong about any
00:58:04
of us and we're like looking around we
00:58:06
step into his trailer goes come on in
00:58:08
and there's like nobody else there just
00:58:10
us and Tom Cruz and everything is
00:58:12
monogrammed with the TC logo he's got
00:58:15
this cream leather couch he's got this
00:58:17
[ __ ] off massive TV that's bigger than
00:58:19
this and um you know you can see down
00:58:22
the hall to his bed and photos on the
00:58:24
wall of Penelope and and his kids and he
00:58:27
had this Scientology chart and just it
00:58:29
was Buzzy man and he goes guys guys I
00:58:32
want to show you something I want to
00:58:34
show you know we've just cut the first
00:58:35
trailer to The Last Samurai and we want
00:58:37
you to I want you to be the first to see
00:58:39
it and we're like um okay none of us are
00:58:43
speaking basically we just don't know
00:58:45
what to say we're sitting on this couch
00:58:47
he turns Up the Volume real loud and
00:58:49
he's playing this trailer from The Last
00:58:51
Samurai which goes for about 2 and a
00:58:52
half 3 minutes and we're just like
00:58:55
staring at it Tom Cruz is standing right
00:58:58
here
00:58:59
and it finishes and we all just sitting
00:59:02
there in
00:59:03
silence and he goes so what do you
00:59:07
think we just were like uh it's good
00:59:11
yeah it's good it's good like what else
00:59:13
do you say like I don't know I mean it's
00:59:15
no mission impossible for me but it's
00:59:18
okay anyway this is so weird anyway and
00:59:21
then we're just chatting a bit more and
00:59:22
I'm thinking I don't want to be that
00:59:24
person that overstays her welcome and
00:59:25
Tom check us out so I decided to call it
00:59:28
so I was like okay well we'll let you go
00:59:31
okay Tom thanks for having us and we
00:59:33
just W out we get into the car and we're
00:59:36
all driving down the road like it's
00:59:38
about a minute into the sh no one says
00:59:40
is a word and about a minute into it we
00:59:42
all just burst out laughing we were like
00:59:47
what just happened it was insane it was
00:59:49
crazy and then um I think a couple of
00:59:52
weeks after that they finished up the
00:59:53
shirot and he phoned us on the morning
00:59:54
that he was leaving just to say hey
00:59:56
goodbye New Zealand so we were sort of
00:59:58
like the the the platform um that he
01:00:02
chose to like say hello and say goodby
01:00:04
to New Zealand it was [ __ ] amazing
01:00:05
and but it just demonstrated the power
01:00:07
of the radio platform at the time if you
01:00:10
do the right thing yeah that's so cool
01:00:12
um and then he invited us to the um
01:00:15
opening of his movie Collateral Damage
01:00:17
in the States oh collateral yeah with
01:00:19
Jamie Fox yeah yeah so he goes oh come
01:00:20
to the pre premiere of this and we're
01:00:22
like oh okay so we go to La but sadly it
01:00:26
was just a media Premiere and he wasn't
01:00:28
there Jo was all dressed up all dressed
01:00:30
up in the best Michael K's shoes it was
01:00:32
just like just a PO evening I was just
01:00:34
like wishing I wasn't married to you at
01:00:35
the time because I thought I bet you Tom
01:00:37
Cruz would definitely leave Penelope for
01:00:38
me yeah it was Penelope Cruz um [ __ ] we
01:00:42
we're going to run out of time but
01:00:44
there's there um well people can turn
01:00:46
off if they want okay you can have I'm
01:00:48
mindful of you getting being somewhere
01:00:49
else what out Lady Lady G I've got to be
01:00:51
on ear today do you think I'm going to
01:00:52
get
01:00:54
fired no but this like so many celebrity
01:00:57
names with amazing Stories attached to
01:01:00
them what are we talking about kissing
01:01:02
Dan Carter oh no I don't want to talk
01:01:04
about that poor Dan he'll be embarrassed
01:01:06
I did I did kiss him um on the lips not
01:01:08
nothing no tongue it was for charity
01:01:11
Grant K saving life about it but I
01:01:13
enjoyed it Grant Kama did look here's
01:01:15
the thing just get this book it's called
01:01:17
life on the edge you actually can't buy
01:01:19
it in stores anymore but you can
01:01:21
probably get an e copy of it online um
01:01:24
it's even got pictures in the air maybe
01:01:26
even a couple pictures of me like half
01:01:27
node who knows um but some great stories
01:01:30
and still this is a good book this one I
01:01:33
must do a sequel but maybe when I have a
01:01:35
bit of time in my hands after this what
01:01:37
would the sequel be called you want more
01:01:39
yeah but wait there's more
01:01:42
like like our friend um Suzanne Paul
01:01:45
holes Paul holes oh God no no don't want
01:01:48
to go there okay I I pulled an amazing
01:01:51
legendary prank on Paul Holmes but um
01:01:54
and he threatened to sue me for
01:01:57
impersonating his uh then girlfriend
01:02:00
look I
01:02:02
just I can't I don't want to talk about
01:02:04
it because it's just a long story and
01:02:05
also his think girlfriend was um I don't
01:02:08
know I don't even want to say her name
01:02:09
cuz she's embarrassed and I I wrote a
01:02:11
chapter about it for my book but I ran
01:02:13
it past to her she wasn't she didn't
01:02:15
want to be reminded so I pulled the
01:02:18
chapter would you say that's the closest
01:02:20
you've got to being fired in your 33
01:02:22
years um when Paul so this is in the
01:02:25
late 9 and he was the biggest [ __ ]
01:02:29
star in New Zealand and I rang him got
01:02:32
into into got him on the
01:02:35
phone yeah and pretended to be his
01:02:38
girlfriend um at the time telling him
01:02:41
that I was being harest by
01:02:43
media and he look cuz it was in the news
01:02:46
I don't want to go into all the details
01:02:48
anyway he thought I was her and he was
01:02:51
telling me to uh change Donuts the phone
01:02:56
blah blah anyway I hang up from there
01:02:58
and he he hung up thinking that he'd
01:03:00
been talking to his girlfriend but he'd
01:03:01
been talking to me I can't believe he
01:03:02
fell for it I can't even believe I got
01:03:04
through on the phone but next minute the
01:03:06
boss comes in he's like [ __ ] do not
01:03:08
Replay that call and then next minute
01:03:11
the newspapers calling and everything
01:03:13
and then I get a letter from Paul
01:03:14
Holmes's lawyers saying that I could be
01:03:17
imprisoned or finded up to $10,000 for
01:03:22
impersonation uh so it was like oh my
01:03:25
God I was terrified cuz it was only like
01:03:27
22 or something but in the end it was
01:03:30
just it was just a it blows up he was he
01:03:32
was embarrassed and it was a yeah and he
01:03:33
played so many pranks on people he was
01:03:35
so famous for it so in the end he was
01:03:38
cool and we you know I met I've met him
01:03:40
so many times and he was fine with it it
01:03:42
just at the time was just a bit awkward
01:03:44
yeah and also um your boss at the time
01:03:46
Steven Joyce who later went on to be
01:03:47
like was he Deputy Prime Minister he was
01:03:49
the the minister of everything um he
01:03:51
would have been [ __ ] scared cuz he was
01:03:53
just like a start starting his own radio
01:03:56
and Paul holes was the most powerful man
01:03:57
in media at the time it's crazy you'd
01:04:00
never do it it's funny you do grow up
01:04:02
and there's things that you do back then
01:04:04
that you'd never dream of doing now no
01:04:06
but it wasn't I honestly didn't even
01:04:07
think it would happen I didn't think he
01:04:09
was going to answer the phone it was
01:04:10
just a joke like let's ring up and
01:04:11
pretend to be his girlfriend and oh my
01:04:14
God he bloody answered and then oh my
01:04:16
God I had to go through with it I don't
01:04:17
even know what she sounded like or
01:04:18
anything I just sounded panicked and he
01:04:21
believed it to be her so all my pranks
01:04:24
get me in trouble
01:04:28
you don't really do pranks any I don't
01:04:30
think you would now like if the co-host
01:04:31
said to you hey uh we should do a prank
01:04:33
on Mike hosing about this you'd be like
01:04:35
no no no oh no I wouldn't do it now no
01:04:37
it's cuz I'm mature now I'm old I'm 50
01:04:40
yeah um what Legacy do you hope to leave
01:04:43
behind in the broadcasting
01:04:45
world how what would you like people to
01:04:47
say about you or how would you like
01:04:48
people to remember your career
01:04:53
um I don't know I'm just happy that I've
01:04:55
been able to inspire lots of other
01:04:57
broadcasters so many people come to me
01:04:59
and say oh you said you know listen to
01:05:00
you and I wrote you a letter and you
01:05:02
wrote back to me and to gave me some
01:05:04
tips on how to get into radio and blah
01:05:05
blah blah blah just I got into radio
01:05:08
because of you like I love that and I
01:05:11
just want people to know that I really
01:05:14
do care about the
01:05:17
audience and that's all that matters to
01:05:21
me that's cool are are you are you
01:05:23
getting emotional no no no no I'm not
01:05:25
going to cry your eyes look a little
01:05:27
glazy are you are you uh are you proud
01:05:30
of
01:05:31
yourself um yeah I suppose yep yep what
01:05:36
do you mean that doesn't sound very
01:05:38
convincing
01:05:42
um I I'm just
01:05:45
tired I don't know like of course of
01:05:47
course of course but I just do I just I
01:05:50
just did what I did I just did what I
01:05:51
did and I just am me
01:05:53
so some of it I is just just a
01:05:57
Flo you know I know some of it's hard
01:05:59
work and then some of it's a Flo so I'm
01:06:02
just grateful for the whole experience
01:06:04
oh no one thing one thing I've found
01:06:06
I've had like a lot of um very different
01:06:09
people on the podcast including a lot of
01:06:11
like real high Achievers and one thing
01:06:12
I've learned is that um like hard work
01:06:15
is the only check code there is like you
01:06:18
can you can say you've had a lot of luck
01:06:19
or whatever but it all comes down to
01:06:21
hard work and I think you've worked
01:06:23
harder than anyone else no I haven't
01:06:24
worked harder than anyone else but I
01:06:27
work hard yeah and I'm just passionate
01:06:30
and I just want everyone to enjoy
01:06:32
themselves and have a good time and have
01:06:34
fun listening to the radio what what
01:06:36
about three words if if people could
01:06:39
have like three words to describe you
01:06:41
what would you like those three words to
01:06:44
be like honesty
01:06:48
Integrity fun fun
01:06:59
generous and
01:07:01
authentic fun generous
01:07:04
authentic can't disagree with
01:07:06
that you can add funny as well
01:07:09
sometimes but people never get JJ's
01:07:12
thing was always no one ever gets my
01:07:14
humor if they don't get the humor the
01:07:16
problem is you and your jokes not them
01:07:18
Paul Holmes doesn't get my humor all I
01:07:21
tend to I just try to be funny and some
01:07:23
people don't get it but I mean what can
01:07:25
I do yeah Simon bunny doesn't get my
01:07:28
jokes
01:07:30
no no oh Simon I'm sorry yeah hey um
01:07:35
congratulations um it's been a hell of a
01:07:37
career as I said at the beginning I'm um
01:07:39
I'm really proud of you and I honestly
01:07:41
can't wait to see what you do next cuz
01:07:44
um I can't imagine how terrifying it is
01:07:46
for you oh boy Friday's going to be hard
01:07:49
that's for sure it was definitely
01:07:51
sinking H home then and I think what's
01:07:54
going to happen is I'm going on holiday
01:07:55
3 weeks when I get back I think that's
01:07:58
when I'm going to be it's going to hit
01:08:00
me and I'm going to be like [ __ ] what do
01:08:02
I do where do I
01:08:05
go [ __ ] how am I going to get paid so I
01:08:09
think I think uh it's all fun and games
01:08:11
right this minute but maybe talk to me
01:08:13
in a month's time and we'll see uh you
01:08:16
might get some tears out of me then see
01:08:18
see where you pop up all right hey
01:08:20
congratulations hell of a career the
01:08:22
goat the greatest of all time and and
01:08:26
music and music radio at least you are
01:08:28
so biased though like no one's going to
01:08:31
take your opinion seriously no it's
01:08:33
going to piss a lot of people off Sharon
01:08:35
I'm sorry oh Sharon love him no you're
01:08:40
great um enjoy by the time this comes
01:08:43
out most people would have would have
01:08:44
heard your final show I guess but enjoy
01:08:46
enjoy your last moments on the a maybe
01:08:48
forever maybe just for now yeah thank
01:08:51
you so much oh my God I'm try to feel
01:08:54
sick now
01:08:56
all right over and out oh no wait peace
01:08:59
out [ __ ]
01:09:02
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