00:00:00
Hello friends welcome to Runners only
00:00:02
with dom Harvey today on the podcast
00:00:04
Jeremy Wells a New Zealand TV actually a
00:00:09
New Zealand media icon I'd say this
00:00:11
guy's been around forever if you're old
00:00:12
enough to remember him as Newsboy from
00:00:14
the havoc and Newsboy days if you're
00:00:16
younger maybe you know I'm from the
00:00:18
radio holiday breakfast show or maybe
00:00:19
you know I'm from uh seven sharp with
00:00:21
Hillary Barry at seven o'clock on
00:00:23
weeknights lovely guy and it's an honor
00:00:25
to have him on the show he loves running
00:00:26
if you live in central Auckland
00:00:28
especially around the ponsonby area
00:00:29
you'd know that because you see him
00:00:31
running around some days he goes real
00:00:32
fast other days this is a bit slower you
00:00:34
look down you see the knee brace and you
00:00:36
go oh yeah he's battling he's battling
00:00:37
today the knees flared up but that's
00:00:40
Jeremy Wells he's a fascinating man so
00:00:42
interesting uh so honest a lot of people
00:00:45
you speak to when they get to a certain
00:00:46
level in the media they become more
00:00:48
guarded and more filtered but absolutely
00:00:50
not Jeremy Wells nothing off limits and
00:00:52
actually uh when I got to the end of the
00:00:54
chat with him I said to him listen if
00:00:56
you if you have you know remorse or
00:00:58
regret and there's anything you want
00:00:59
taken out uh just let me know and I'll
00:01:02
um catch you some slack and he said to
00:01:04
me um he goes now that's not how these
00:01:06
things work are they he goes uh you know
00:01:07
whatever you've got there you can do
00:01:09
what you want with it and um I
00:01:11
appreciate that it's so candid and I
00:01:13
can't wait for you guys to hear this
00:01:14
conversation I did mention in an earlier
00:01:16
episode of Runners only with Don Harvey
00:01:18
that I'm I'm looking for some sponsors
00:01:19
hoping to get some cash rolling in so I
00:01:22
can start growing this thing it's like a
00:01:24
hobby it's a passion project
00:01:26
but it is
00:01:29
um it is working out to be a little bit
00:01:30
more work than what I intended so I've
00:01:32
realized that to grow this thing and to
00:01:34
get it to where ultimately I want it to
00:01:37
be I don't know when six months a year a
00:01:38
couple of years that is going to require
00:01:39
some money and some extra help from
00:01:42
other people so I do have a sponsor on
00:01:45
board the very first official sponsor
00:01:47
for runners only with dom Harvey they
00:01:50
approached me and I'm stoked and I'm
00:01:52
honored by that especially since it's a
00:01:55
brand that I love and respect and have
00:01:56
used for many years myself
00:01:58
Triumph and disaster yeah it's a mean
00:02:01
skincare Ranger set up by a former black
00:02:02
cap Dion Nash maybe 10 11 years ago in
00:02:05
the early days of tnd I got given some
00:02:07
for free and there's been no tuning back
00:02:09
since well worth it so no obligation no
00:02:12
pressure but if you want to support the
00:02:14
people that support the podcast
00:02:15
triumphant disaster check them out in
00:02:17
all good department stores they've got a
00:02:19
shop on ponsonby road or they've got
00:02:21
this stuff online and Ladies If you're
00:02:23
looking for a gift for the man in your
00:02:24
life your brother your dad whoever
00:02:26
triumphant disaster they do this great
00:02:28
little travel kit which is really good
00:02:30
almost like sample size products of a
00:02:32
few of the things they do so thank you
00:02:34
very much Runners only with dom Harvey
00:02:36
brought to you by Triumph and disaster
00:02:38
all right let's go we're into it this
00:02:40
week I have a confession to make I did
00:02:43
make a slight f up with Jeremy Wells
00:02:45
this unfortunately means you won't get
00:02:47
to hear the theme song this week because
00:02:50
I wasn't recording in the beginning of
00:02:51
the interview some people will be um
00:02:53
relieved about that if the feedback's
00:02:55
anything to go by but it also means we
00:02:57
missed out on maybe the first three or
00:02:58
four minutes of the conversation which
00:03:00
is unfortunate because Jeremy and I were
00:03:02
talking about his relationship with his
00:03:04
partner who was in the house Tulsi who's
00:03:05
been with for over 20 years and just how
00:03:08
they how they met how they fell in love
00:03:09
and how their relationship has evolved
00:03:11
over the years it was a wonderful candid
00:03:13
moment and I'm spewing that I missed it
00:03:15
I didn't even say anything at the time I
00:03:17
just um like reached down to my podcast
00:03:19
unit and hit the record button just to
00:03:21
keep the conversation going anyway thank
00:03:23
you for joining us for another episode
00:03:24
of Runners only enjoy Jeremy Wells
00:03:28
since the podcast is called Runner Zone
00:03:30
there's there's so much I want to
00:03:31
discuss with you because it's been such
00:03:32
a varied career that you've had and it
00:03:34
just seems to be going from strength to
00:03:35
strength so we'll cover all that off
00:03:38
um but we've got to talk about the
00:03:39
running thing first because it's um a
00:03:40
lot of people wouldn't even know this
00:03:41
about you but you you do run on a
00:03:43
regular basis anyone that lives in sort
00:03:45
of central Auckland ponsonby would know
00:03:46
that because you know you're like me
00:03:49
you're very very tall so when when
00:03:51
Jeremy Wells is running you see Jeremy
00:03:53
was running so how long why did why did
00:03:55
you start was it a fitness thing
00:03:57
can't even remember like I remember when
00:04:00
I started running would have been in
00:04:01
about 2 3 oh well when I was a kid I was
00:04:03
forced to run
00:04:04
because we used to have cross-country at
00:04:06
school and I I hated it I was always
00:04:08
okay at it but I I used to know that
00:04:11
like the cross country date would be
00:04:13
coming up and I get no I get butterflies
00:04:15
in my stomach why because you were you
00:04:16
were good are you in either front or you
00:04:18
just hate just because you hated it I
00:04:19
was never I was never good but I mean it
00:04:22
was something I wasn't bad but I was
00:04:24
never good and I certainly never trained
00:04:26
I I liked playing cricket and rugby and
00:04:28
tennis and golf and sports like that I
00:04:31
was never into
00:04:32
Sports Wii U and probably less so rugby
00:04:35
of all the sports like sports where you
00:04:37
had to be fat that was not I like sports
00:04:38
where you could talk and and so that
00:04:41
yeah the running for me was like that
00:04:43
just seemed like a lot of exertion yeah
00:04:45
yeah and I that wasn't until I was
00:04:48
probably in my mid to late 20s when all
00:04:52
of a sudden I just thought I think I'm
00:04:54
just gonna go for a run and then I went
00:04:56
for a run how are you going it's quite
00:04:57
hot because I had a coffee before I came
00:04:59
here I was I'm sweating a little bit
00:05:01
don't mind me though
00:05:03
looks like you've been for a run
00:05:06
um yes and I just started running and I
00:05:08
thought oh this is quite good and I
00:05:10
actually started to feel good oh that's
00:05:11
right I know I remember where I started
00:05:12
because I was giving up smoking right
00:05:14
that's right and I thought to myself I
00:05:16
need to do something that's the opposite
00:05:17
of smoking and then I'll feel better
00:05:19
about giving up smoking and if I get
00:05:21
fitter then that's another reason why I
00:05:23
won't want to smoke I won't wanna like
00:05:25
having a cigarette to me being a smoker
00:05:27
and a and a runner is a whip I know a
00:05:30
couple of people are smoke and run I was
00:05:31
like that to me seems really kind
00:05:32
intuitive but but I do know a few people
00:05:34
to do it but for me if I I thought if I
00:05:36
run I won't smoke yeah right and it
00:05:38
worked actually and then I sort of just
00:05:39
started running I started feeling quite
00:05:40
good about it and I've I've pretty much
00:05:42
run ever since really you you run uh
00:05:45
most days I would say I see you around
00:05:47
most days yeah I do I go through periods
00:05:50
of running more than other times but I I
00:05:52
probably run four days out of seven
00:05:54
right I like to have a bit of a break
00:05:56
every now and then because I'm getting a
00:05:57
bit old and I think I try and listen to
00:05:59
the body and if it's sore that's a sign
00:06:01
either that I need to change my shoes or
00:06:04
that I'm doing a little bit too much
00:06:06
running yeah yeah and there's always the
00:06:08
challenge with running because you
00:06:10
always want to I I put a I have an app
00:06:12
that I run with and it's you know a
00:06:14
timing app and I use map my run I don't
00:06:17
know why it's because it's the first
00:06:18
thing that I started using and
00:06:21
it tells you you know how you're going
00:06:23
with your K's and stuff and I I I'm
00:06:25
quite competitive with myself weirdly
00:06:27
but of recent times and I was wanting to
00:06:30
get my times better but of recent times
00:06:31
I've actually just been occasionally
00:06:33
going why am I am I going to take that
00:06:35
with me I'm just going to run like
00:06:37
yesterday I just ran without anything
00:06:38
and without headphones actually it's
00:06:40
quite good sometimes I'd just be in tune
00:06:42
with the body yeah no I found it quite
00:06:44
good because I hadn't run for three
00:06:45
weeks so a bit of a dodgy calf so I
00:06:46
actually found it I found it quite good
00:06:48
there was no pressure to be faster I
00:06:50
just thought I'd just go I'll just go
00:06:52
and get through this 6K run how big is
00:06:55
your six case do you do like the same
00:06:57
block every time and you're sort of a
00:06:58
creature of habit or do you sort of mix
00:07:00
it up a bit no well I've learned from
00:07:02
experience now that the best thing to do
00:07:04
is not to do the same thing all the time
00:07:06
because you get injured if you do the
00:07:08
same thing over and over so I mix up the
00:07:10
Run lengths and then I mix up the Run
00:07:12
Roots I've got a 6K I've got an 8K I've
00:07:17
got a 10K and I've got a 12K and I said
00:07:21
sort of mess up the Links at any given
00:07:23
time but I don't generally run much more
00:07:24
than 12. yeah yeah or you probably don't
00:07:27
need to I mean if you're just doing it
00:07:28
for the like the health benefits then
00:07:30
that's probably plenty long enough it
00:07:32
feels like plenty long enough and I find
00:07:34
that if I run much longer than that I
00:07:36
start to get I mean I get fitter there's
00:07:38
no doubt about that but I start to get a
00:07:40
little bit sore and I'm not a
00:07:43
competitive runner in terms of I don't I
00:07:45
don't want to do marathons or half
00:07:47
marathons or anything like that I only
00:07:48
do it because
00:07:49
I enjoy it and I've always found that
00:07:52
when I'm running I have my best ideas
00:07:55
and I I never have a negative thought
00:07:57
about myself if I'm running I've only
00:07:59
just come to realize that in the last
00:08:00
couple of years I just realized how do
00:08:02
you mean like during during the run or
00:08:04
like afterwards during the Run yeah
00:08:06
right when I'm running I never think I
00:08:08
never think oh what did you do that
00:08:11
before that was a stupid question to ask
00:08:13
or you know why did I say this or I wish
00:08:16
I never did a story on that or why did I
00:08:19
you know I don't look back on things
00:08:21
that I've done in my life and think well
00:08:22
that was that was a mistake whereas
00:08:24
normally if I'm just sitting down by
00:08:25
myself I'll have a tendency to go over
00:08:27
things and start raking over the coals
00:08:29
and there's quite a few coals up there
00:08:30
yeah you know yeah we've all we've all
00:08:32
got yeah we've all got coals up there
00:08:35
to rake over them if I can but when I'm
00:08:37
running I find I never if I rake over
00:08:39
them I tend to find a solution rather
00:08:42
than just going down into a spiral yeah
00:08:45
but sometimes with the coals that you
00:08:47
rake over there there is no solution no
00:08:48
you just have to like learn from it and
00:08:50
do better and promise yourself not to do
00:08:52
it again yeah well well yeah but do you
00:08:55
do you ever get to that point I mean
00:08:57
when you're running for example are you
00:08:59
raking over the coals you've got quite a
00:09:01
lot of coals to rake yeah yeah yeah much
00:09:03
like me yeah yeah
00:09:04
um I do actually yeah I yeah I wreck
00:09:07
over the coals and I do have negative
00:09:09
thoughts about myself when I'm running
00:09:10
which is terrible I'm envious of you
00:09:12
there yeah
00:09:13
golden you run for a long time
00:09:16
there's a lot of calls
00:09:18
for me I find like there's the physical
00:09:20
benefits of running but also like the
00:09:22
mental health benefits as well how's
00:09:24
your mental health been good over the
00:09:25
years you've never had any issues uh I
00:09:27
think everybody has their issues and
00:09:29
I've certainly had my issues but nothing
00:09:31
that hasn't been
00:09:33
um easily or reasonably easy to overcome
00:09:36
and I think I've always felt if
00:09:38
something's not going right or you don't
00:09:39
if the coals are getting a little bit
00:09:41
hot
00:09:42
um then I have always gone back to
00:09:45
health and exercise and I've always
00:09:47
found that because oftentimes a part of
00:09:49
the all of my problems seem to be my of
00:09:51
my own making yeah it's either something
00:09:53
that I've done
00:09:55
um or too much of something you know
00:09:58
what I mean and I've gone down a you
00:10:00
know a bit too much substance abuse
00:10:02
whatever that might be and then I've
00:10:04
like and if you get the balance wrong
00:10:06
every now and then and then in those
00:10:08
situations I've always found if you go
00:10:10
if you eliminate all of those things you
00:10:12
eliminate the exterior crap and then you
00:10:14
go back to eating good food drinking
00:10:17
lots of water and uh and doing a bit of
00:10:19
exercise I've always found in terms of
00:10:21
mental health things generally come back
00:10:23
your brain just works yeah yeah well I'm
00:10:25
not sure whether that's a recipe for
00:10:27
other people as well but it's worked for
00:10:29
me yeah well I mean it makes sense I
00:10:31
think some people just have like a
00:10:33
chemical imbalance in their brain so
00:10:34
even if they do those things they're
00:10:35
still going to have have issues yeah
00:10:36
everyone I don't think I've got I've got
00:10:38
a chemical imbalance but I'm not sure
00:10:39
that it's um it's not clinical
00:10:42
let's uh let's run the clock way back so
00:10:45
you're from an interesting family I met
00:10:46
your parents a few years ago I was um an
00:10:48
ambassador for the uh World Masters
00:10:50
games and I was at a function at
00:10:52
government house with the governor
00:10:53
general and
00:10:54
um your dad came up to me and we were
00:10:56
having a conversation and he asked what
00:10:57
I did and I told him I was on radio and
00:10:59
he said you might know my son and uh it
00:11:02
was you and and it really really
00:11:03
surprised me your dad's like a sewer yes
00:11:06
yeah and your mum's a lady yeah well
00:11:09
that he hasn't always been a sir and she
00:11:12
hasn't always been a lady I mean they
00:11:13
they were you know I don't I I don't
00:11:16
it's weird even now when when If Ever I
00:11:20
See You know my dad's name and print
00:11:22
anywhere or my mum's name in print it
00:11:24
always seems quite unusual to see you
00:11:27
know that title
00:11:29
um and you certainly don't ever think of
00:11:31
your parents it's true Dad no you don't
00:11:34
even think of them like that so but I
00:11:36
think that was a that was a nice thing
00:11:38
to happen to him particularly and my mum
00:11:41
has had you know Awards and accolades
00:11:44
she's done a lot of work in netball
00:11:46
um and um and she's been honored for for
00:11:48
that sort of stuff as well and and both
00:11:50
of them were quite heavily involved in
00:11:52
sport
00:11:53
my dad in terms of administration sport
00:11:55
Administration
00:11:56
he had a lot to do with the setting up
00:11:59
of sport New Zealand he was called spark
00:12:01
at the time and some other people
00:12:03
including Sir John Graham wrote a report
00:12:06
and said look all this funding needs to
00:12:08
be changed so we can streamline this and
00:12:10
they did a lot of research in terms of
00:12:12
what had happened over Australia and all
00:12:13
sorts of stuff and so they're
00:12:14
streamlined the sports funding agencies
00:12:18
right and uh and I think he did that for
00:12:21
quite a long time and obviously gave a
00:12:23
lot of us a lot of his time and and it
00:12:25
was and it all worked out quite well I
00:12:27
mean it was reasonably successful and
00:12:28
good for New Zealand Sports as far as
00:12:30
I'm aware absolutely yeah so I think
00:12:32
that was you know fear in that situation
00:12:35
that that he was he was given then I was
00:12:37
very proud as a very high achieving
00:12:39
family so there's there's you've got one
00:12:41
brother right yep and he's a commercial
00:12:42
lawyer so your parents are very
00:12:44
successful your brother's successful you
00:12:46
you must have been a worry for a while
00:12:48
with all due respect
00:12:50
I'm sure they're incredibly proud of you
00:12:54
now like you've you know you've got a
00:12:56
nice house and a nice family and you're
00:12:57
very very successful but uh you must
00:13:00
have been a cause of concern in those in
00:13:02
those young years almost 10 years I I
00:13:04
think I was a definitely I know I was a
00:13:06
cause of concern and yeah my brother's a
00:13:09
lawyer and he's he's similar but quite
00:13:12
different to me and was always in the
00:13:14
top class at school and I don't even
00:13:16
remember my parents telling him off
00:13:18
actually he's such a he's such a nice
00:13:19
person my brother very studious and then
00:13:23
I wasn't like that at all to be honest
00:13:25
but I think that's always the case isn't
00:13:27
it with siblings and you probably find
00:13:28
this as well it's like you you find a
00:13:31
way that's not
00:13:33
the same as everybody else like show me
00:13:35
a family where two brothers or two
00:13:38
sisters or a brother and a sister are
00:13:39
the same I don't think that exists I
00:13:41
mean I look at my own children they're
00:13:43
so they're so different yeah it's crazy
00:13:45
and what one is the other one isn't yeah
00:13:47
and in every aspect of everything
00:13:50
and so yeah definitely growing up I gave
00:13:51
them some I gave them some Helix
00:13:53
particularly you know one particular
00:13:55
moment in time I think I was you know it
00:13:58
would have been my late or mid teens mid
00:14:00
to late teens was was I was really kind
00:14:02
of
00:14:04
experimenting with things that probably
00:14:07
weren't
00:14:08
didn't make them feel particularly
00:14:09
comfortable is it cannabis or wow I was
00:14:13
expelled from wanganui Collegiate for um
00:14:15
I think you're at mornings we're always
00:14:17
going to go to boarding school or do
00:14:19
they send you or whatever they really
00:14:21
sent me away to be honest yeah so I was
00:14:22
in Auckland until the end of um year 11
00:14:25
and then there was a bit of marijuana
00:14:27
that was discovered over a holiday
00:14:29
period and next thing you know I've been
00:14:31
whisked away so that was kind of a weird
00:14:35
time in my life I don't weirdly enough
00:14:37
every now and then I look back on it and
00:14:38
I think God that was weird wasn't it
00:14:40
were you really into the marijuana or
00:14:42
was it like an active Rebellion do you
00:14:44
think in hindsight I don't think it was
00:14:45
an act of rebellion I I just I I
00:14:48
remember the first time I had it and I
00:14:49
thought oh this I just laughed and
00:14:51
laughed and laughed that was such a good
00:14:53
time and then you didn't I felt I didn't
00:14:55
have a hangover the next day and and it
00:14:58
actually opened my mind to a whole lot
00:15:00
of ideas and things and and music
00:15:02
sounded a particular way and I was into
00:15:04
music and and
00:15:06
and I thought oh this is this is quite
00:15:08
interesting this is I feel completely
00:15:09
different this is a different way of of
00:15:12
this different Consciousness I I and
00:15:15
then then probably
00:15:17
I became a little bit probably too
00:15:19
focused on it but I think for my parents
00:15:22
who were very conservative you know they
00:15:24
were they'd never they've never smoked
00:15:26
marijuana in fact none of their friends
00:15:27
had and they'd never seen it and so for
00:15:30
them it was like oh my God my child's
00:15:31
got to be a heroin addict this is oh
00:15:33
yeah my mum yeah the whole Gateway thing
00:15:35
oh that's a Gateway well that was the
00:15:37
that was the that was the thinking of
00:15:39
the time yeah yeah and and so they've
00:15:42
they've freaked out pretty much and I
00:15:44
can understand that from they were they
00:15:46
were ignorant they didn't understand
00:15:47
really what was going on yeah and so
00:15:50
they thought the best thing to do was to
00:15:51
send me down to wanganui where there'd
00:15:54
be no marijuana
00:15:55
I mean they thought it was a big city
00:15:57
thing
00:16:00
I know I know that's the thing they
00:16:03
would they were doing what they thought
00:16:04
was the right thing yeah yeah I'm I'm
00:16:07
happy that they did what they did
00:16:08
because like everything worked out well
00:16:10
in the end and and I think you know I'm
00:16:13
a big believer that whatever decisions
00:16:15
and whatever things you go through in
00:16:17
your life they lead you to the point
00:16:18
that you're at and if you take out some
00:16:20
of those things and you look back and
00:16:21
you say well I I regret this moment and
00:16:23
I take this out well you unless
00:16:25
if you're not happy with we if you're
00:16:27
happy with where you are at this given
00:16:29
time then you can't take anything from
00:16:30
your past out yeah because it's altered
00:16:32
your entire life absolutely and so I
00:16:35
ultimately that was good that they sent
00:16:36
me away but they discovered would I do
00:16:38
the same thing again I think I'd have to
00:16:42
don't hate hopefully they don't hear
00:16:45
this because that will really upset them
00:16:46
yeah yeah okay so you haven't learned a
00:16:48
lesson
00:16:50
and you're 45. so they so they they send
00:16:53
you to um wanganui Collegiate and then
00:16:55
um you you manage to get yourself
00:16:57
expelled from there for for drugs again
00:16:59
at this stage they must have been just
00:17:01
freaking out oh it was terrible and it
00:17:04
was it was bad a genuine what happened
00:17:06
oh it was Gin it was terrible the whole
00:17:08
thing is is embarrassing we don't have
00:17:11
to go there if you don't want oh no I
00:17:12
don't mind I don't mind going there it's
00:17:14
just it's the past is the past and it's
00:17:16
I can't pretend that it didn't happen
00:17:17
because it did happen
00:17:19
I'd actually been that whole year after
00:17:22
smoking a bit of pot probably in fifth
00:17:24
form and and being kind of into it but
00:17:26
nothing crazy I mean we're talking sort
00:17:28
of a bit of weekend use here and there
00:17:29
sure nothing unusual for the time I was
00:17:31
certainly just doing exactly what
00:17:32
everybody else was doing around me
00:17:35
um then going down to wanganui and and I
00:17:37
was at boarding school at that stage so
00:17:38
you couldn't smoke marijuana so I didn't
00:17:41
and I'd and I've also kind of believed
00:17:43
the line that maybe it wasn't good for
00:17:45
me and and I think it probably wasn't
00:17:47
it's not great for your brain when
00:17:49
you're younger developing brain it's no
00:17:51
good no and I I think that's a fear
00:17:54
thing and fear assumption and then so I
00:17:57
didn't smoke it and and actually it was
00:17:59
a good year for me I met lots of
00:18:01
interesting people and I had a good time
00:18:03
and um I all of a sudden I was doing my
00:18:07
homework at night because you have to at
00:18:10
boarding school and do prep and stuff
00:18:11
like that and and I did quite well at
00:18:14
school I was like oh you see that's
00:18:16
well this is unusual um because I hadn't
00:18:19
been doing that well before then and uh
00:18:21
and the end of the year came and um
00:18:25
and we went away to you had these
00:18:27
different choices of places that you
00:18:28
could go to to do community service
00:18:31
because in sixth form in those days you
00:18:33
remember your exams used to finish quite
00:18:35
early and it had nothing to do because
00:18:36
it was internally assessed so I knew my
00:18:39
marks everything was sussed and then
00:18:42
they want to keep you at school at
00:18:43
wanganui instead of sending you home so
00:18:45
they send you away and and you had it we
00:18:47
had a choice well I remember my choices
00:18:49
being there must have been more choices
00:18:51
but I'm in my choices being
00:18:54
um a rest home like we go and do work in
00:18:57
a rest home for a week in wanganui so
00:19:00
we'd stay we'd stay at school and then
00:19:02
go to a rest home every day and and look
00:19:04
after people my experience is that at
00:19:06
that point of Rest Homes were both of my
00:19:08
grandmother and also my great uncle and
00:19:10
I I just remember the smell I was like I
00:19:12
don't like wrist homes
00:19:14
the other choice was Lake Alice
00:19:17
oh yeah the um yeah the mental hospital
00:19:18
that's right yeah it was right that was
00:19:20
your other option of going there and
00:19:22
doing community service look the stories
00:19:25
of the guys from the year before who'd
00:19:27
been to Lake Alice were not positive
00:19:28
there was stuff about knives and penises
00:19:31
and all sorts of weird things that were
00:19:33
going on there and as it turns out there
00:19:35
was a lot of very strange stuff going on
00:19:36
there but anyway that's another story
00:19:38
and the other option was the nsid drug
00:19:40
treatment center in Martin which was a
00:19:42
drug rehab center
00:19:44
and with my history in that area I
00:19:47
thought oh this is actually I'd be quite
00:19:49
interested to meet some of some people
00:19:51
who are in the situation and uh and this
00:19:53
way as well it was in Martin you could
00:19:55
stay in a motel and there were no
00:19:57
teachers with us and I thought oh this
00:19:59
is great I get to go away from boarding
00:20:01
school we can we can at night time when
00:20:03
we go back from from doing the community
00:20:06
service at the rehab center we can do
00:20:08
whatever we want this is awesome we can
00:20:09
take some alcohol and drink end of the
00:20:12
year and I thought you know what I could
00:20:14
we could even smoke a bit of pot why not
00:20:17
so organized
00:20:20
through someone at school to get a cap
00:20:24
of hash oil yeah and took that away
00:20:27
and I think we'd been there for maybe
00:20:30
three days the opportunity hadn't really
00:20:32
Arisen to sort of have it at that stage
00:20:34
and then one day I think it would have
00:20:37
been the Wednesday I was about to go
00:20:38
home and one of the patients patients
00:20:41
they call themselves patients and they
00:20:43
they said to me I heard you've got some
00:20:44
marijuana and I was like no I don't have
00:20:46
any marijuana and then I said uh well
00:20:49
that's not what one of the other guys
00:20:51
one of your other friends has told me
00:20:53
and I was like no that I I haven't read
00:20:55
any guys well he told me that you've got
00:20:56
it in your wallet and I was like oh
00:21:00
and I said no no I didn't know I lifted
00:21:02
a home Blow Away guys we've got your
00:21:04
wallet I was like no no I haven't got it
00:21:05
and he goes you're not lying to me are
00:21:07
you and I was like no no I'm not he goes
00:21:09
if you find out you're lying sort of was
00:21:11
going down a line right and he's trying
00:21:14
to Corner you well he just he really
00:21:16
wanted that way he did want that weed
00:21:18
and he I even remember him saying to me
00:21:20
you don't know what it's like I've been
00:21:21
here for six months
00:21:23
I haven't smoked weed for six months it
00:21:25
just it won't be anything and I was like
00:21:28
so in the end after I was I was saying
00:21:30
no I don't want to give marijuana to a
00:21:32
you know anybody here someone had a
00:21:34
recovery yeah that would be bad he's
00:21:36
like he's like I'm here for marijuana
00:21:38
man I mean it's not like it's addictive
00:21:40
it doesn't matter I'm like no no no I
00:21:42
don't want to do that and I did have
00:21:44
some kind of I did have morals and I
00:21:46
knew it was wrong and then ultimately
00:21:49
he kind of it was it got reasonably
00:21:52
threatening he and I was just like okay
00:21:54
I don't want this problem anymore and I
00:21:56
threw it on the ground and I said if you
00:21:57
want to pick it up pick it up I don't
00:21:59
want anything to do with it I wish I
00:22:00
didn't even bring it and um he daddy
00:22:03
picked it up and then he had it and of
00:22:06
course at a rehab center when you are
00:22:07
stoned you really do stand out because
00:22:09
there's a lot of sobriety
00:22:11
so I went home knowing I'd done
00:22:13
something that was not good but I'm
00:22:15
thinking well at least I kind of feel
00:22:16
like my conscience is slightly clear I
00:22:18
mean I put on the ground and it was like
00:22:20
if I didn't want to give it to him I
00:22:23
certainly didn't come here with the
00:22:24
intention of giving this to anybody and
00:22:26
then anyway here then then everybody
00:22:28
sort of knew about the next morning I
00:22:30
came in and man
00:22:32
just the disapproving looks because he
00:22:34
clearly told everybody about what had
00:22:36
gone on and people were just shaking
00:22:38
their heads and then and I realized
00:22:40
immediately I was like oh this is bad
00:22:42
yeah I stood up and just one by one just
00:22:45
people just laid onto me and I wasn't
00:22:47
here it was this horrific experience
00:22:49
they just said how dare you yeah right
00:22:50
and fair enough I mean they were
00:22:52
frustrated yeah and and also they
00:22:54
thought who is this guy and who was I
00:22:56
doing that it was just completely wrong
00:22:58
and I felt you know deep shame and um
00:23:01
and I I don't know if you you know
00:23:03
remember that feeling as a kid of
00:23:05
standing up and when people just really
00:23:06
you get that feeling shame and you feel
00:23:08
thin like a piece of paper you almost
00:23:11
feel like you're not there yeah just the
00:23:13
ultimate vulnerability oh it's terrible
00:23:14
and then uh in the end
00:23:16
School Deputy principal came and picked
00:23:19
me up drove me back my parents flew down
00:23:21
to try and like discuss with the
00:23:22
Headmaster how I sort of maybe might not
00:23:24
get expelled that didn't work
00:23:26
and then that was the end I was expelled
00:23:28
I said you must have said Thanks a lot
00:23:29
and we'll see you later and then my
00:23:32
parents said okay we'll see you later as
00:23:33
well you knew that you came down here
00:23:36
because of that you've disappointed us
00:23:38
and then they just they took off I was
00:23:40
just down there I was stuck there
00:23:43
the school bought me a train ticket I
00:23:46
get back to Auckland but I didn't know
00:23:48
where to go I went back and stayed with
00:23:50
a friend that Craven for for probably a
00:23:52
month and and got a job at a uh at a dry
00:23:54
cleaning right outfit Loving Care mascal
00:23:57
Street do you feel like that was um like
00:23:59
a turning point in your life I mean a
00:24:00
lot of it was your fault but also a lot
00:24:02
of it wasn't like you know that it seems
00:24:04
like you were bullied into into no it
00:24:06
was all my fault because I took I took
00:24:08
an illegal yeah into a rehab center
00:24:10
maybe I'm going to easy no that was 100
00:24:13
my fault but it was a 16 year old you
00:24:16
know I mean the 16 year old you you do
00:24:18
do stupid things you don't get things
00:24:20
through
00:24:21
and um and I that was a stupid mistake
00:24:23
and then I remember going back on the
00:24:25
train on the Northern and I I remember
00:24:27
specifically thinking yeah I never
00:24:29
thought I'd be expelled from school I
00:24:30
mean I was not a bad I was not bad kids
00:24:33
you know I I was a I was I obeyed the
00:24:36
roles and I tried to be a respectful I
00:24:37
was polite and then I thought oh God
00:24:39
what do you do in the situation I
00:24:41
thought you meant do you kill yourself
00:24:42
is that what you meant to do and and I
00:24:45
was on this train I remember having a
00:24:46
cigarette I used to smoke Marlboro Reds
00:24:48
in those days and I had a cigarette at
00:24:51
the front of the train and I thought
00:24:54
I think he meant to do that and I
00:24:56
thought unfortunately I'm I haven't I
00:24:58
don't have enough guts that I could ever
00:24:59
do that but I was sure that was what you
00:25:01
were meant to do you know and that would
00:25:03
be the right thing that would put an end
00:25:04
to any of the shame that you'd brought
00:25:06
upon your family or any of that sort of
00:25:08
stuff as as you I I was going to say as
00:25:11
you get older you realize that that's
00:25:12
not the solution and that it's a storm
00:25:13
that passes back 100 but at the time
00:25:16
it's the first terrible thing that's
00:25:18
really happened that you've done in your
00:25:19
life
00:25:20
and uh and you don't know that it's
00:25:22
going to pass you don't you don't know
00:25:23
that that was I mean I'm so pleased that
00:25:26
I didn't do that I could never do that
00:25:28
anyway but um yeah that was a I just
00:25:30
remember I gotta say they were probably
00:25:32
the lowest point in my life and then um
00:25:34
so shortly after that you you how did
00:25:37
you and you and Mikey Havoc mate I
00:25:39
reckon I've got something in common with
00:25:40
you and that I've got like a almost like
00:25:41
an encyclopedic knowledge when it comes
00:25:43
to like useless information trivia and
00:25:45
pop culture in New Zealand like uh I
00:25:48
could sit here with you for an hour and
00:25:50
have a chat about the Ingham Twins and a
00:25:52
lot of people listening to this won't
00:25:54
even remember the Ingham twins are
00:25:56
so I I have a very very fond memories um
00:26:00
of yourself and Mikey have okay I'm a
00:26:02
lot of people won't even remember the
00:26:03
amazing work that you guys did together
00:26:04
on TV but you're sort of like a like a
00:26:06
cool edgy version of like Hamish nandy
00:26:08
or John Bean or something it was like
00:26:10
just real Innovative [ __ ] I I was on the
00:26:12
edge then um and at the radio station of
00:26:14
Palmerston North and we were like what
00:26:16
like cheesy pop culture stuff and um you
00:26:19
guys were doing like everything that
00:26:21
that I would have wanted to do and um I
00:26:23
was so in the world yeah completely the
00:26:26
stuff you were doing was just
00:26:27
groundbreaking Innovative and we were
00:26:29
just doing fart jokes
00:26:30
how did you guys make because you were
00:26:33
it was it was an interesting sort of
00:26:34
relationship especially early on from
00:26:36
the stuff I remember on TV it was like
00:26:37
um almost like a pen and Teller Vibe how
00:26:39
you know one of them one of them did
00:26:41
most of the speaking havoc and you were
00:26:43
sort of a you know a quieter sort of
00:26:45
sidekick yeah well I that's I think
00:26:48
that's a fair assessment of what it was
00:26:50
but we went through bfm student radio in
00:26:52
Auckland and I went there and read the
00:26:54
news as I was doing a bachelor of
00:26:56
communications at aut at the time and
00:26:59
and uh they were like a couple of people
00:27:02
from bfm came and did a lecture and said
00:27:04
you know if anyone's interested in
00:27:05
reading the news then that'd be great
00:27:07
it's a good good training ground and I
00:27:08
thought yeah I'd like to I've always
00:27:09
loved radio because I loved radio
00:27:11
growing up and uh and I was into it and
00:27:14
listened to be with him so went along
00:27:15
there read the news and then started
00:27:17
reading the news in the in the midday
00:27:21
slot and then ended up reading breakfast
00:27:22
news because in those days you'd start
00:27:24
on the on the midday slot and most
00:27:26
people couldn't I mean most and read a
00:27:28
sentence a little it's terrible let
00:27:30
alone a bullet and like and I would have
00:27:33
been shocking I'd hate to hear it it'd
00:27:34
be awful but then you don't have any
00:27:36
tapes no no thank God and none would
00:27:39
exist but but then uh started reading it
00:27:42
on the breakfast show and that was the
00:27:43
Pinnacle of breakfast radio and student
00:27:46
radio and at the time reading the news
00:27:48
on the breakfast show and and it was fun
00:27:51
actually and I that's where I met Mikey
00:27:53
and we got on well and he was he was
00:27:56
like a
00:27:57
he was like a force like the most
00:27:59
amazing person I'd ever met at that
00:28:01
stage so funny and so smart and so quick
00:28:06
with so much energy as well a just a
00:28:08
ball of energy so much energy and so
00:28:11
much charm like that guy was the most
00:28:13
Charming person that I'd ever met and uh
00:28:17
and so cool he was so cool yeah and a
00:28:20
lot of people remember this but he he
00:28:22
was uh the charismatic singer of a band
00:28:25
called push push they had a massive song
00:28:26
called tripping yeah um and then he got
00:28:29
into the media after that yeah and I'd
00:28:31
remembered him from being the lead
00:28:32
singer of push push in tripping which is
00:28:35
a massive massive number one hit in
00:28:36
about 1991 1992 something like that
00:28:39
but then he'd had to see and then he
00:28:41
disappeared for a while Mikey and then
00:28:43
he'd had a second life really as a as a
00:28:45
radio DJ on student radio and as a bar
00:28:49
host and actually a DJ he was getting
00:28:51
into dance music at the time and
00:28:54
and I remember going along to squid
00:28:56
which was his bar in Auckland and
00:28:58
O'Connell Street and uh and then because
00:29:00
I'd read the news with him he'd like you
00:29:02
know
00:29:04
give me like he'd get me a give me a
00:29:06
bourbon and Coke and I was like wow see
00:29:08
I know the guy who I know the DJ this is
00:29:10
this is a great moment and uh and we got
00:29:14
on we got on incredibly well and uh and
00:29:16
it sort of started From It Started from
00:29:18
there and I think then I started reading
00:29:20
the news more often and then ended up
00:29:22
doing that and thinking well this the
00:29:24
special of communications doesn't seem
00:29:26
like much fun for me anymore and then
00:29:28
luckily the next week
00:29:31
Mikey had met up with Neil Roberts who
00:29:33
was former head of tvnz or TF teams tvnz
00:29:36
at the time and he was just brought MTV
00:29:38
uh the format for MTV over in uh in the
00:29:42
UK and he's bringing it to New Zealand
00:29:43
he wanted chose and he said you know
00:29:45
would Mikey would you be interested in
00:29:46
Mike immediately put a proposal to him
00:29:49
on this crazy show called Havoc actually
00:29:51
I think he called it something else he
00:29:52
had some brilliant name for it and then
00:29:54
Neil said no that's got to be called
00:29:55
Havoc it's got to be named after you
00:29:58
and um and then Mike said would you like
00:30:01
to come and work on it as a researcher
00:30:02
and I was going to be a researcher and
00:30:03
then ended up being on air and just sort
00:30:06
of originally I was just going to sit
00:30:08
there and every now and then say
00:30:09
something and maybe mainly made soda
00:30:12
streams for people and that was that was
00:30:14
the idea and then I ended up sort of
00:30:17
saying more but I still didn't really
00:30:18
say much and I was really not that
00:30:19
comfortable with being on TV I was like
00:30:21
this is a little bit weird especially at
00:30:23
that age and but in the end um yeah we
00:30:26
then got other shows of traveling around
00:30:28
New Zealand shows and it was a lot of
00:30:30
fun it was loose man like it was so
00:30:33
loose the stuff you were doing was just
00:30:36
so Innovative it was Mikey that was that
00:30:38
was Mikey was just amazing I mean he he
00:30:41
had so many ideas that guy ideas he just
00:30:44
farts ideas for breakfast and and then
00:30:47
he met Paul casley at the time and those
00:30:50
two working together was like
00:30:52
they had an amazing
00:30:55
chemistry creative chemistry Mikey was
00:30:59
he crazier ideas Paul was was very
00:31:02
disciplined and quite structured but
00:31:04
totally got Mikey and immediately
00:31:06
recognized his talent
00:31:09
and together those guys there was Mikey
00:31:11
and Paul that made havoc and then we and
00:31:14
then we did the sellout tour which is a
00:31:15
different thing where we traveled around
00:31:16
the country oh is that where you went to
00:31:18
gore that's where we went to gore that's
00:31:20
um some people might remember that if
00:31:22
you want to find it it's probably on
00:31:23
YouTube as well what do you call it like
00:31:25
greed greedy old gay man's good well the
00:31:27
reason that it happened we didn't even
00:31:30
want to do a piece to camera and the
00:31:32
producer the director just said look
00:31:33
we're driving past the brown trout do
00:31:35
you mind just stopping and doing a piece
00:31:36
of camera we're like we're always
00:31:37
looking to not do anything yeah that was
00:31:40
our main thing was driving around the
00:31:42
country we liked the driving around the
00:31:43
country but talking we didn't really
00:31:45
like having to get out of the car and do
00:31:46
stuff so we we which is just ridiculous
00:31:49
but the night before we'd been at the
00:31:50
Miss New Zealand contest at the working
00:31:52
men's club in Dunedin had a huge night
00:31:54
and ended up hardly sleeping and then
00:31:56
the next day we were we were driving
00:31:58
down to invercargill down to slope point
00:32:00
the most southern point of New Zealand
00:32:01
and on the way drive past Gore and and
00:32:04
Dave Slade the director said Mazel
00:32:06
where's he going to set up a shot here
00:32:07
you might as well just come closer look
00:32:09
at it got to that point that Dave Slade
00:32:11
was setting up shots driving ahead
00:32:13
setting up a shot and then saying we've
00:32:15
set it up you won't even have to stop
00:32:17
really you can stop you can just walk
00:32:18
into the shot say something and then
00:32:20
bugger off we're like okay so we're dead
00:32:22
and what we came up with is just a piece
00:32:24
of crap I mean we were just crapping on
00:32:26
about nothing just really wasting time
00:32:28
thinking we won't use this we'll just
00:32:31
keep Dave Slade happy
00:32:32
and we'll drive off you know when Dave
00:32:35
Slade then started cutting something up
00:32:36
and and got us in the air between I've
00:32:38
cut this and about Gore and I don't know
00:32:41
either it's really good or it's terrible
00:32:43
I can't work out what it is and then we
00:32:45
watched it and I was like wow that is a
00:32:47
weird sort of piece of TV but then when
00:32:49
it played out I didn't think anything
00:32:50
was going to happen but then turns out
00:32:52
of course everybody in Gore watches TV
00:32:55
too when they talk about Gore but the
00:32:57
only thing that happened was we just
00:32:58
stepped by the bloody trout and just see
00:33:01
that it was the gay capital of New
00:33:02
Zealand which yeah it clearly was not no
00:33:04
oh yeah absolutely but you sort of
00:33:06
insinuated that it's um yeah the the
00:33:08
capital of closeted uh yeah gaming or
00:33:10
something and the funny thing is that
00:33:12
um I don't think he was living there at
00:33:13
the time but um a good friend of yours
00:33:15
and mine Mike Peru yeah
00:33:17
um yeah he would have been in Hamilton
00:33:18
at the time but he was from Gore and he
00:33:20
was closing I didn't know he said to me
00:33:23
he goes you were speaking to me yeah
00:33:25
yeah because he was speaking directly to
00:33:26
me but yeah it turns out in the mirror
00:33:29
of Gore maryog she did not like being
00:33:32
called the gay Capital she and then went
00:33:34
and the next day it was a headline in
00:33:36
the South and times and the headline
00:33:37
said
00:33:39
Gore mere reels at gay quip and then I
00:33:43
had a picture of her by the brown trout
00:33:44
and she said we are not the we are not
00:33:47
the gay Capital there are no gay people
00:33:49
in court that is not true
00:33:51
because it was 1998. you know it was a
00:33:54
different climate yeah yeah and it
00:33:56
wasn't there she may have had a point
00:33:58
there there was maybe there were maybe
00:34:01
10 gay people in the Lower South Island
00:34:03
at that stage and it only just because
00:34:04
well come on and it only just become
00:34:07
legal seriously good luck and and Mike
00:34:09
Peru good luck being gay in Southland
00:34:12
and in the 90s cheap as creep as you'd
00:34:15
have to be very gutsy it'll be it's not
00:34:18
like now it's completely different yeah
00:34:20
they're never going to attend the brown
00:34:22
trout into a rainbow trout are they
00:34:24
that's right I've never thought of that
00:34:27
that was a brown trout weren't you sort
00:34:29
of like ambushed you went back to
00:34:30
schools years later and some [ __ ] hit
00:34:32
the fan yeah well that was it was 10
00:34:34
years later and then 10 years 10 years
00:34:37
10 years later and then we went back to
00:34:39
cover the election actually someone some
00:34:42
someone at tvnz thought yeah we'll get
00:34:44
Jeremy involved in the election night
00:34:45
coverage you can go to gore
00:34:47
and I didn't have the presence of mind
00:34:51
to say no so next thing you know I was
00:34:52
down there and we went and shot some
00:34:54
stories during the day and everything
00:34:55
was good and then went back to the
00:34:57
National Party headquarters and I did a
00:34:59
couple of live crosses
00:35:01
from Bill english's headquarters in Gore
00:35:03
and then at the end of the night it was
00:35:05
like one in the morning by the time
00:35:06
everything would packed up and Hugh
00:35:08
Sunday and I went into into town with a
00:35:10
couple of guys who were at the party and
00:35:13
uh ended up everything was shut down so
00:35:15
we went to the BP to have a pie that was
00:35:17
a terrible mistake because Gore on a
00:35:20
Saturday night by about one o'clock
00:35:22
things get a little bit rough and people
00:35:25
are looking for something to do because
00:35:27
yeah so they cruise around in cars and
00:35:29
then basically there's a guy that ended
00:35:31
up arriving in this in the four court
00:35:32
and uh he wasn't happy about what had
00:35:34
happened 10 years ago
00:35:36
and he kept saying going you [ __ ]
00:35:40
calling me gay you [ __ ] calling me I
00:35:42
was like no I never I never called you
00:35:44
guys and he goes I'm the [ __ ] gay I
00:35:46
was like okay mate you're clearly not
00:35:48
gay
00:35:50
that's fine I never seen anywhere and
00:35:53
then he was started pushing me and then
00:35:55
oh it was and then it was terrible
00:35:58
actually I tried to get the four chord
00:35:59
attendant to after about 20 min parts of
00:36:01
the sky keeping on you just keep going
00:36:03
going
00:36:04
then said the forklifting would you mind
00:36:06
kind of calling place I couldn't work
00:36:07
out how I was going to get out and in
00:36:10
the end that's terrifying it was quite
00:36:12
scary yeah yeah I grabbed myself a I
00:36:15
remember a bottle of v and I thought
00:36:16
most days the V used to come in bottles
00:36:18
and I thought I bet I while he was
00:36:20
getting tucking into me I and yelling at
00:36:23
me I I grabbed I managed to get to the
00:36:26
you know with him and toe I went to the
00:36:28
to the fridge and Grandma's have a
00:36:29
bottle of v and I remember thinking and
00:36:31
bought it and I remember thinking if
00:36:33
things go bad this is going to be my
00:36:35
weapon I'm going to need something yeah
00:36:36
it was pretty the guy was quite intense
00:36:38
he was really sweaty
00:36:40
and he had a craziness in his eye that
00:36:43
was pretty full-on definitely hadn't
00:36:45
processed his um sexuality yet well I
00:36:48
know I know if he look he might be
00:36:49
listening and I don't know
00:36:51
I don't protest that much there's got to
00:36:54
be some some underlying I think there
00:36:56
was a bit of glass barbecue right yeah I
00:36:59
and I was kind of told later on that
00:37:00
there was that he was definitely a glass
00:37:02
party Enthusiast a well-known glasses in
00:37:04
other words he he was big into the into
00:37:06
the mid amphetamine it's what I don't
00:37:08
understand it's like um methamphetamine
00:37:09
is going to keep you awake if you're in
00:37:10
a place like Gore it wouldn't weed you
00:37:13
know what I mean weed would make more
00:37:14
sense so you know you have a nice
00:37:16
pleasant sleep anything you want to do
00:37:17
in Google you can do in a day you don't
00:37:19
need to stay awake for days on end to
00:37:20
get it done yeah that's that's true I
00:37:22
mean you think maybe you'd go down the
00:37:24
hallucinogen Road or something that
00:37:26
makes a little bit different I I think
00:37:27
as well it's true though it's massively
00:37:29
prevalent particularly through Southland
00:37:31
and I think it's just an escape and it's
00:37:34
everybody's looking to escape in one way
00:37:36
or another we might do it through
00:37:37
running we might do it through anything
00:37:39
and there might be some alcohol or
00:37:41
something and I think for a lot of
00:37:43
people that's the only drug that they
00:37:44
have access to because it's everywhere
00:37:46
yeah I mean it's a terrifying idea that
00:37:49
you've been sitting inside a house and
00:37:50
just smoking it
00:37:52
[Music]
00:37:53
awful yeah
00:37:56
so then after after the Heather can use
00:37:58
with stuff do you still get people
00:37:59
yelling out Newsboys
00:38:01
yeah yeah it's kind of weird I used to
00:38:03
get a lot of Newsboys where's Havoc
00:38:05
now I just people just ask me where
00:38:08
Hillary is now it's quite interesting
00:38:09
there's always someone that someone's
00:38:10
asking me where's someone else is yeah
00:38:12
but yeah that sort of
00:38:15
um occasionally occasionally you'll hear
00:38:17
a Newsboy and that's it's always I was
00:38:20
at that places that person I'm like okay
00:38:23
that person's that person's been around
00:38:25
for a while a certain age yeah yeah
00:38:26
after that you did um a series of
00:38:28
fantastic TV shows like eating media
00:38:30
lunch what were the other ones there's
00:38:31
any media lunch uh the unauthorized
00:38:34
history of New Zealand which we did four
00:38:36
series of that which is like a
00:38:37
historical s both are you concerned
00:38:40
about um someone dredging up any old
00:38:42
clips and you've been canceled at some
00:38:44
point or I think there's been some
00:38:45
attempts at that already yeah and and
00:38:47
people are gonna try and do that sort of
00:38:49
thing I'm no I'm at peace with what I've
00:38:52
done
00:38:52
and
00:38:54
seriously you're gonna I mean you're
00:38:56
gonna get something that someone's done
00:38:57
from 20 years ago and it does seem mean
00:38:59
it was fine at the time then that's
00:39:02
maybe where it should remain I I feel
00:39:04
like that's the case
00:39:06
um especially when you're dealing in the
00:39:07
realm of satire or comedy or parody
00:39:10
but the other thing is that I was in it
00:39:12
right but you never know like
00:39:14
other people
00:39:16
wrote it other people directed it there
00:39:19
were you know when you look back on
00:39:21
these songs like there's an actor that's
00:39:23
a part of something do they get canceled
00:39:25
for acting in something at the time I
00:39:27
mean
00:39:28
it seems like a very unusual thing to do
00:39:31
to go back and I mean people were
00:39:33
working for whatever reason and maybe
00:39:34
maybe you needed to get money to live at
00:39:37
the time and so you had to act in a
00:39:38
particular thing and then we look at
00:39:39
that now and think well in the context
00:39:41
of 2022 that's not exactly what someone
00:39:43
will do so therefore we'll cancel that
00:39:45
person yeah I suppose they'd go for you
00:39:47
because you've got the biggest Target on
00:39:49
your back well I think that's easy
00:39:50
around cancer culture is about isn't it
00:39:52
right who can get the biggest biggest
00:39:54
scope here yeah it's like it's scalping
00:39:56
this is the craziest thing like you've
00:39:58
got a remarkable work ethic like and
00:40:00
given your family's background and stuff
00:40:02
like um I've talked about this with your
00:40:04
co-host as a good friend of mine Matt
00:40:05
Heath you you could be a real [ __ ]
00:40:07
like you could be a real dick but you're
00:40:09
one of the nicest people and uh and you
00:40:11
work bloody hard as well you do
00:40:12
something that um only a few people have
00:40:14
done you work both ends of the day like
00:40:16
Paul Holmes uh he did that for a number
00:40:18
of years breakfast radio on the evening
00:40:19
show
00:40:20
um Hoskin did it for a few years and now
00:40:22
you're up to like doing those two two
00:40:24
things for four years yeah so everybody
00:40:25
that ever does it goes crazy or sorry
00:40:28
what dies awesome do you find it
00:40:31
exhausting or are you coping okay with
00:40:32
both you manage I think I think when you
00:40:34
first start doing it certainly it's
00:40:36
quite intense and then over time it
00:40:38
actually just becomes normal and then
00:40:40
you go oh yeah I think the the hardest
00:40:42
thing is trying to get a balance and you
00:40:45
know what this is like and I think
00:40:46
everybody who's listening will
00:40:47
understand this as well I always try to
00:40:49
look for a balance and when you're
00:40:51
working
00:40:52
a lot of your life
00:40:55
hard to get the balance right
00:40:56
particularly with with kids and family
00:40:58
and I think the thing that I miss out on
00:40:59
the thing I feel worst about is
00:41:01
definitely that I'm not ever at home for
00:41:03
family meals which are actually very
00:41:05
important parts of a family oh yeah
00:41:07
you've missed both you must sound
00:41:08
breakfast and the evening meal that's
00:41:09
right and that's a big thing and this
00:41:11
week I haven't been doing TV you've just
00:41:13
been doing radio and you know the last
00:41:15
couple of days it's been great we're
00:41:17
sitting around as a family you know over
00:41:19
dinner and chatting and it's like oh
00:41:21
that's right this is actually a really
00:41:23
important time because he established
00:41:24
the culture of your family basically
00:41:26
around meals yeah that's fine and so
00:41:28
that's been
00:41:29
that's been something that I that uh
00:41:31
that I haven't been able to do
00:41:33
and uh and I don't get as much time to
00:41:36
see my friends is what I'd like to to
00:41:38
see
00:41:39
um so yeah the balance is a bit out of
00:41:41
whack in terms of how much work that I
00:41:43
do but I wouldn't say that the work of
00:41:44
this is not really works
00:41:46
it's like turning up in the morning I
00:41:48
just got to turn up and be happy you
00:41:52
know and and be and be that's a just
00:41:55
turn up with a good attitude yeah that's
00:41:57
not very hard I suppose um like what
00:41:59
separates you from um the other people
00:42:01
that we mentioned like hosking and homes
00:42:03
is um like there
00:42:05
what they did fit it in together like
00:42:07
they're both doing breakfast on YouTube
00:42:08
ZB and then both doing a carrot official
00:42:10
in the evening but the um the
00:42:11
juxtaposition between what you do in
00:42:13
terms of your radio show what you do on
00:42:15
your TV show it's almost like two
00:42:17
different Jeremy's in a way you know
00:42:19
I've heard people I've heard people
00:42:20
seduce that but to me hasn't everybody
00:42:23
got different parts of their personality
00:42:25
I mean of course depending on who you're
00:42:26
having a conversation with yeah that's
00:42:27
right and I kind of see it that way I
00:42:29
think in the morning I feel like I'm
00:42:30
having a conversation with a a different
00:42:33
group of people than I am at night and
00:42:36
both both groups are
00:42:41
have particular things to them like for
00:42:43
example the seven sharp is a very broad
00:42:46
audience Stephen sharbers there's a lot
00:42:48
of children that watch seven sharp and
00:42:50
there's a lot of very old people that
00:42:51
watch seven sharp um and uh it's a very
00:42:55
broad audience so you've got to be
00:42:56
you've got to be Broad and you're being
00:42:58
invited and it's different radio is
00:43:00
different than TV when you invite it
00:43:02
into someone's living room you're a
00:43:04
guest at their house when you're invited
00:43:07
into someone's car you're not a guest in
00:43:10
their car it's a completely different
00:43:12
thing you can get away with saying
00:43:13
things and doing things on radio that
00:43:15
you can't do on television and the other
00:43:16
things that you've got you know people
00:43:18
it's dinner time it's yeah it's
00:43:20
completely different thing so it's kind
00:43:22
of like the the version that I that I
00:43:24
take seven sharp is the same thing that
00:43:26
I the same person that I am for my
00:43:27
parents and grandparents and and more
00:43:30
elderly people and children that I speak
00:43:32
to and yet I think in the in the morning
00:43:35
on the radio
00:43:36
I just kind of am speaking probably to
00:43:39
more my people my age my friends that
00:43:42
makes that makes perfect sense and um
00:43:44
both of them are authentic versions of
00:43:45
yourself but it's just changing your
00:43:47
language for different audiences
00:43:48
definitely and some people might say
00:43:50
well I am just this and but I mean I I
00:43:52
don't know that many people who are like
00:43:53
that I think most people are reasonably
00:43:56
multi-faceted and and I kind of feel
00:43:58
like that also radio as you know is so
00:44:01
different than TV radio is
00:44:03
uh I mean the fact that they are just so
00:44:06
different the type of the part of your
00:44:07
brain that you use for radio is not the
00:44:09
part of the brain that you use for
00:44:10
television it's a completely different
00:44:12
part of your brain yeah you guys you
00:44:14
guys do a very good shot it's a very
00:44:16
enjoyable show the Madden Jerry Show on
00:44:18
radio how to get some fantastic show
00:44:19
doesn't doesn't rate that well no no
00:44:28
says uh as like a radio lifer it's
00:44:30
always sort of puzzled me because it's
00:44:31
like now I you know you would sort of
00:44:33
want to look under the Bonnet and sort
00:44:34
of like try and work out why it's not
00:44:36
getting the ratings it deserves it's a
00:44:38
very good shot why do you reckon that is
00:44:39
I don't know maybe it's the music the
00:44:41
music I don't blame the music when
00:44:44
you're on the here that's what you do uh
00:44:45
you've had huge radio success you know
00:44:48
probably more about radio than pretty
00:44:50
much anyone in New Zealand so that's a
00:44:51
that's a great compliment you and Matt
00:44:53
Heath you're quite good friends before
00:44:55
you work together and how do you find
00:44:56
that the friendships change because I've
00:44:57
sort of found people I work with you
00:44:59
sort of you see enough of them during
00:45:01
the week that you sort of don't need to
00:45:02
be friends with them outside of work so
00:45:03
much yeah we spend a lot of time
00:45:05
together because not only will we doing
00:45:06
a breakfast radio show but for a long
00:45:09
time we're also Cricket commentating
00:45:10
together
00:45:13
a very very small Caravan together but
00:45:16
but Matt is Matt is one of the most
00:45:20
interesting people that you'll ever meet
00:45:21
he's always got a line he's always he's
00:45:25
interested in everything there's nothing
00:45:27
that he's not interested in
00:45:29
and
00:45:30
as a co-host he's a fantastic person to
00:45:33
work with because you always know you
00:45:35
throw something at hum
00:45:37
and not only can he communicate what
00:45:39
he's thinking very very effectively so
00:45:42
his his filter from brain to mouth is
00:45:44
super slick much like yours actually is
00:45:48
super fast and he backs what he's going
00:45:50
to say doesn't he doesn't double think
00:45:52
things and he's so he's incredibly smart
00:45:55
so I'm I'm kind of lucky that I work
00:45:57
with a cohoshui you know when you can
00:45:58
throw something at someone and you know
00:46:00
they're going to come back yeah
00:46:00
something that's great you know that's a
00:46:04
big part of having trust in your co-host
00:46:06
is really important and also he's not
00:46:08
going to he's not going to just shut
00:46:11
something down straight away he's not
00:46:13
interested in shutting stuff down he's
00:46:14
interested in blowing things up and
00:46:16
seeing what's under and looking
00:46:17
underneath them and seeing what's
00:46:18
underneath them and those sorts of
00:46:20
people are so good to work with yeah so
00:46:23
I'm really lucky in that regard and uh
00:46:26
and I always respected his his creative
00:46:28
abilities he's got a lot of ideas Matt
00:46:30
yeah he's a great human if you were to
00:46:33
give up one of them like if you decide
00:46:34
enough is enough
00:46:36
um you know I want to have a meal at
00:46:37
home with my family well which would
00:46:39
your partner I would never want to part
00:46:41
with either yeah but I think what
00:46:43
happens is that radio is a different
00:46:45
Beast you can go for a lot longer as you
00:46:47
know on radio you can you can go for
00:46:50
years and years and years and years and
00:46:51
years and and people like that
00:46:53
familiarity in the morning
00:46:55
particularly so I think what will happen
00:46:59
oh sorry my dog my dog just found your
00:47:03
cat
00:47:04
excuse us podcast
00:47:07
we'll be right back
00:47:13
okay we're back might end up that out
00:47:16
might not I don't know I think you want
00:47:17
to probably leave then what just
00:47:18
happened there it was quite a chaotic
00:47:20
moment well yeah
00:47:22
um Mavis just sort of strolled her way
00:47:24
down and came across Kanye your dog she
00:47:26
wasn't expecting to see that yeah God
00:47:28
sorry I'm such a piece of [ __ ] come
00:47:30
around to your house bring my dog with
00:47:31
me he's very pleased with himself
00:47:34
he's probably the same size as they get
00:47:37
too yeah so one day
00:47:39
um TV and it will get to a point where
00:47:42
with that show they'll go no you can't
00:47:43
do that anymore and that's just the way
00:47:45
that it works and you'll no longer do it
00:47:47
whereas with radio there's there's
00:47:49
different radio stations that are all
00:47:51
operating at the same time it's a
00:47:53
completely different thing yeah well I
00:47:55
think I'll just let that sort of happen
00:47:56
the way that it happens and no doubt it
00:47:59
will happen a particular way I haven't
00:48:00
actually got any ideas around it would
00:48:02
certainly be nice to wake up in the
00:48:04
morning as you've found out not have to
00:48:06
get up early and and talk but at the
00:48:09
same time it's a great pleasure to talk
00:48:10
to people and I really enjoy it I enjoy
00:48:13
I enjoy the vibe in a studio when things
00:48:16
are really fizzing along and then people
00:48:18
are coming in with suggestions and it's
00:48:20
like you're kind of an idea just becomes
00:48:22
it elevates it massively and create
00:48:24
there's an energy sometimes that your
00:48:26
radio show gets in the morning yeah but
00:48:28
you've got this momentum and you feel
00:48:29
like you're going somewhere it's a job
00:48:31
like no other right when you leave that
00:48:33
studio after having a really good
00:48:34
morning and you maybe it may have one of
00:48:37
those a week two of those a week three
00:48:39
if you're real lucky but you you know
00:48:40
it's a it's just a just a incredible
00:48:43
feeling it's like we delivered today
00:48:44
yeah totally you know I think it takes a
00:48:46
certain amount of concentration for
00:48:48
three hours as well and it takes a lot
00:48:50
out of you like yeah it's mentally
00:48:52
exhausting yeah and have a look at the
00:48:55
people who have been doing it for long
00:48:56
periods of time and what it turns people
00:48:59
it changes people oh I mean you know
00:49:02
what this is like and there was a people
00:49:04
have suggested for the longest time is I
00:49:05
think all breakfast radio host syndrome
00:49:07
where people become very good at sending
00:49:10
and not so good at receiving they become
00:49:12
like a fax machine on scene and it's
00:49:14
just years in here or you start talking
00:49:16
to someone and they become if after
00:49:19
about two minutes they haven't got to
00:49:21
their point you're like you need you
00:49:22
need to get to your point and we need to
00:49:24
move on yeah that that is that is a
00:49:27
hundred percent true and that's what I'm
00:49:28
finding um new and exciting and
00:49:30
challenging about doing this podcast
00:49:31
thing it's like there's less time
00:49:33
constraints like uh we've been talking
00:49:35
for like the best part of an hour now
00:49:37
yeah and it's just you don't have to
00:49:40
you don't you don't have to interrupt
00:49:42
people and get to the next question
00:49:43
radio if you're doing a live interview
00:49:45
sometimes you have to be quite brutal
00:49:46
and rude yeah it's quite intense so your
00:49:48
TV partnership as well with Hilary Barry
00:49:50
that's a surprisingly successful
00:49:52
partnership it seemed like a Very Odd
00:49:53
Couple when you guys were teamed up
00:49:55
together
00:49:56
um but I I don't know it probably says a
00:49:57
lot about both of you actually that
00:49:58
you're able to gel and make it work yeah
00:50:01
it's um it's a very good thing you guys
00:50:03
have got going on well we get on well
00:50:05
and I was I was you know when I someone
00:50:09
came and asked me John Gillespie said
00:50:10
would you like to do this show and
00:50:12
Hillary's going to be doing it and I
00:50:13
immediately thought absolutely if I if I
00:50:16
can work with Hillary because in my
00:50:18
opinion and and this is not PR in my
00:50:21
opinion she is the best broadcaster in
00:50:23
New Zealand I I think I think Mike
00:50:25
hosking is also a great broadcaster but
00:50:28
I think Hillary
00:50:30
has a thing where people people don't
00:50:33
love Mike hosking he's a great
00:50:34
broadcaster but people people don't love
00:50:36
him
00:50:37
um people love Hillary they they love
00:50:39
her when we go places
00:50:41
when we go places together she uh people
00:50:44
come up and they hug her she really
00:50:46
connects with the audience in a way that
00:50:48
I've never seen anyone else ever connect
00:50:50
and people want to tell her about stuff
00:50:53
and they feel like she's their friend
00:50:55
she's a beautiful connection with people
00:50:56
and also on top of that she's incredibly
00:51:00
smart she knows what she's doing she's a
00:51:03
complete Pro she's a great interviewer
00:51:06
I mean and she's a love she's a great
00:51:09
person to work with she's got a great
00:51:10
work ethic
00:51:11
I mean embarrassingly good work ethic
00:51:13
actually she puts me to shame yeah she's
00:51:16
she's a pro and if something goes wrong
00:51:17
she's one of those people like she just
00:51:20
Revels in the opportunity which arises
00:51:23
when stories fall over or something's
00:51:26
not working that's when she's at her
00:51:28
best that's when you know that someone's
00:51:29
a good broadcaster when things go
00:51:31
completely because things go wrong all
00:51:32
the time and yeah never other people
00:51:34
you'd try and muck their way through it
00:51:35
like she'll just hit it head on
00:51:38
and you see how real she is she's she's
00:51:41
she's a fantastic person I've learned a
00:51:43
lot working with her
00:51:45
yeah and it's nice to see
00:51:47
um see sort of more of her she was on TV
00:51:50
three and then but she was she was just
00:51:52
a news reader though wasn't she yeah she
00:51:54
was just she was just 10 years I mean
00:51:55
you don't really connect with the news
00:51:56
reader because they're just reading the
00:51:58
news so it's been um nice to see more of
00:52:00
her her personality yeah well she was on
00:52:02
more FM as well for the longest time
00:52:04
that's right with Kevin Corbett yeah and
00:52:06
and before that she actually started in
00:52:08
radio and the other great thing about
00:52:10
her is she's a very giving kind
00:52:12
thoughtful person I mean you can't fault
00:52:14
her actually as a person and and she
00:52:16
where we went right in terms of our
00:52:19
combination was that we uh we both were
00:52:22
focused on making sure that that
00:52:24
relationship on air was good and that
00:52:27
the chemistry was right and both of us
00:52:29
were focused on that and she doesn't
00:52:31
have an ego and I like to think that I
00:52:33
don't have an ego and then you've got
00:52:34
two people that are working and trying
00:52:36
to work on our chemistry together and
00:52:37
you don't have an ego things generally
00:52:39
go quite well for you I've found and
00:52:41
we're both focused on that from the
00:52:42
start it wasn't like who's going to be
00:52:43
the boss who's going to decide to tell
00:52:45
anyone to do what it wasn't like that
00:52:46
yeah
00:52:47
and yeah now I I when we're sitting
00:52:51
there together we might have an idea of
00:52:53
what we're going to say coming out of
00:52:54
the story but I
00:52:56
she'll say something and I'll
00:52:57
immediately kind of feel I know the
00:52:59
rhythm of which she's going to go and
00:53:00
she's she has a beautiful predictable
00:53:02
Rhythm to it it takes it takes a while
00:53:03
to get the array with a co-host it
00:53:05
totally does yeah it totally does and
00:53:07
you get exposed very quickly on
00:53:08
television because you're giving off
00:53:10
little signals with your body language
00:53:12
and you through your eyes and through
00:53:14
tiny pauses and facial expressions that
00:53:17
you can't necessarily detect on radio
00:53:18
but on TV very exposed visually well
00:53:22
you've done pretty well at both haven't
00:53:23
you you've I feel like you're at the top
00:53:25
of your game and both mediums at the
00:53:26
moment I think I've been lucky because
00:53:28
I'm I'm blessed with a limited amount of
00:53:30
talent but I think I've been lucky
00:53:32
because I I've I found myself and I
00:53:34
actually think like I've been lucky with
00:53:36
my hope with people that I've worked
00:53:38
with I'd never worked by myself and I
00:53:40
don't ever want to work with myself oh
00:53:42
that's a very good I like the thing I'm
00:53:44
a team person yeah in my heart so I want
00:53:46
it to work I will long may continue I
00:53:49
feel like it's a combination of um I
00:53:51
mean you're being very humble but a
00:53:52
combination of like just hard work and
00:53:54
being nice as well it's amazing how far
00:53:56
you can get it it's not a lot of hard
00:53:57
work
00:53:58
well I mean yeah hard work with them you
00:54:02
talk to people who work with me you
00:54:03
realize I'm not a lot of Hardware I
00:54:04
don't know
00:54:05
working harder than other people
00:54:07
necessarily in the same industry being
00:54:09
tuning up yeah yeah
00:54:12
um I have taken up enough of your time
00:54:14
we're just in with some quick fire
00:54:15
running questions and then I'll um I'll
00:54:16
leave you to it okay what do you listen
00:54:18
to when you run I know you said uh on
00:54:19
today's run you're nothing nothing today
00:54:21
normally music uh normally my Spotify
00:54:24
discover weekly which always throws them
00:54:26
into seeing things up at me and uh and
00:54:29
this year or last year has been a lot
00:54:31
about disco so really a huge like 70s
00:54:35
disco 70s early 80s Sister Sledge
00:54:38
um just yeah it's somehow got going on
00:54:41
Disco and then my Discovery Weekly's
00:54:44
realized that I just love it obviously I
00:54:46
find disco good good to run to
00:54:48
what's your favorite place to run
00:54:51
favorite place to run Urban environments
00:54:54
uh and or and or
00:54:57
um by the Sea right yeah oh we're
00:55:00
blessed around here aren't we there's so
00:55:03
many yeah I I see you often on the um on
00:55:05
the Boardwalk by uh Westhaven Marina
00:55:07
under the Auckland Harbor Bridge love
00:55:08
the West Haven Boardwalk what's your
00:55:10
favorite shoe what do you normally
00:55:11
running I've got I operate three
00:55:14
different shoes
00:55:16
um at any given time because I found
00:55:17
that we're in the same shoe all the time
00:55:19
gives you injuries so I've got a pair of
00:55:21
New Balance I've got a pair of uh Adidas
00:55:25
and I've got a pair of those ones that
00:55:29
you've got they're called hookers hocus
00:55:31
hookers oh my God but the hokers are not
00:55:33
working for the hookers I think gave me
00:55:35
a calf injury they just went right for
00:55:37
my terrible running style or a shuffle
00:55:39
I've got a terrible Shuffle it's odd
00:55:41
because it's um I got given a pair of
00:55:43
hookers for free before that I hadn't uh
00:55:45
where's your family off I don't know
00:55:46
where are you going let me just
00:55:50
kids are going to playbacks sorry about
00:55:52
that oh nice nice
00:55:54
um oh that's a shame about the hokers
00:55:55
yeah I've never heard of focus and they
00:55:57
sent me a free pair and then um I was
00:55:59
like wow this is a game changer it's
00:56:00
like the most supportive shoe there is
00:56:02
and then you go to like a an
00:56:03
International Marathon like in New York
00:56:05
or London or whatever and where there's
00:56:06
a lot of um sort of middle-aged Runners
00:56:08
and you you see them everywhere does
00:56:10
that three of them yeah okay so do you
00:56:11
always wear those now yeah I love
00:56:13
hookers yeah so much so much support
00:56:14
which um I think is important when you
00:56:16
get a bit older yeah but uh if they're
00:56:17
not working I mean you just gotta go
00:56:19
with what's working for you though
00:56:20
you've got to go with what's working for
00:56:21
you when I look down at them I feel like
00:56:23
it makes me look like I've got a club
00:56:24
foot but I mean I don't know
00:56:29
um do you prefer to run a low loner with
00:56:31
other people always alone yeah yeah
00:56:32
don't like running with people yeah yeah
00:56:34
likewise actually I mean there is um
00:56:36
there is a real good sense of community
00:56:37
if if that's what you're into and you
00:56:39
want to meet people through running but
00:56:40
yeah as we were talking about before I
00:56:42
find it's a good time to break over
00:56:44
those coals well that way I can decide
00:56:45
the run that I'm gonna do I can decide
00:56:47
the pace that I'm going to do it at and
00:56:49
for me that's that's kind of what it's
00:56:50
about out otherwise I mean I have run
00:56:51
with people and enjoyed it but I don't
00:56:53
really have people I run in the middle
00:56:55
of it well I run about 10 or 11 in the
00:56:57
morning and there's nobody ever seems to
00:56:58
be at work at that time so I'm kind of
00:57:00
have to run by myself anyway yeah the
00:57:01
problem with running with anyone else I
00:57:02
think is that um someone's always going
00:57:03
to be running fast than what they want
00:57:05
to and someone's going to be running
00:57:06
slower than what they want you generally
00:57:07
do you prefer um summer or winter hot or
00:57:09
cold for running uh definitely winter
00:57:11
yeah yeah 100 I I'm not a big fan of
00:57:15
running and especially in Auckland and
00:57:17
summer like yesterday I went for a run
00:57:19
it was about 12 o'clock by the time I
00:57:20
started running it's like humidity isn't
00:57:23
so it's a tough time to run at the
00:57:24
moment actually what's the worst injury
00:57:26
you've had uh I've had a weird knee
00:57:28
injury that that's kind of lingers
00:57:30
around I don't even know quite what it
00:57:32
is but it's disappeared at the moment
00:57:34
generally when I change shows it sort of
00:57:36
disappears but sometimes I just run
00:57:38
through it for a while though I just had
00:57:39
a shockingly painful knee and then I had
00:57:42
a calf injury recently but apart from
00:57:44
that I haven't really had a lot of
00:57:45
injuries you've been lucky yeah I feel
00:57:47
like um I feel like a lot of it's got to
00:57:48
do with um genetics like a lot of people
00:57:50
will say to you if you run you know your
00:57:52
knees are definitely going to blow out
00:57:53
or your hips going to blow out but in my
00:57:55
experience not necessarily yeah well
00:57:57
where's the science I'm running now
00:57:58
because it's always sort of flips around
00:57:59
people say a lot of the time it gives
00:58:01
you arthritis I was reading something
00:58:03
the other day and it was saying no it
00:58:04
definitely does not give you arthritis
00:58:06
in fact
00:58:07
you're less likely to have arthritis if
00:58:10
you run because you're using your joints
00:58:12
more in your but I guess there's
00:58:13
different types of running there's
00:58:15
there's very very long distance running
00:58:16
which is very hard on the body and
00:58:19
there's you know shorter distances and
00:58:21
there's running too much I I think as I
00:58:23
said earlier on I just think the main
00:58:24
thing is that you've got to listen to
00:58:25
your body and when something's not quite
00:58:28
going right or you're in a bit of pain I
00:58:29
think at that point just take it easy
00:58:31
yeah oh yeah there's absolutely nothing
00:58:33
wrong with rest days no nothing wrong
00:58:35
with it you've got to give the body time
00:58:36
to recover no well Matt Heath of course
00:58:38
made that um rule with himself in 2020
00:58:41
2020 I think it was where he ran every
00:58:44
single day for the entire year what like
00:58:46
what's what's her distance do you have a
00:58:48
minimum like 5K a day right yeah at
00:58:49
least five k's and one day we'd been up
00:58:52
for like we had like two hours sleep but
00:58:54
he's still doing his 5K run he came back
00:58:56
looking like a cadaver it was just
00:58:57
horrific
00:58:58
to someone that's so smart he he is
00:59:01
capable of doing some dumb [ __ ] is me
00:59:05
and run as high as the real or a myth
00:59:09
uh I think it's real yeah I think it's
00:59:11
real I always feel better after I've
00:59:13
been for a run I don't know what's going
00:59:15
on in there but I there's nothing for me
00:59:18
better than when you're fit you know
00:59:19
when you're fit yeah and um and and you
00:59:23
and everything feels good you've eaten
00:59:25
the right food that I before by mistake
00:59:27
or whatever and then that day uh you're
00:59:30
running and you're running along and
00:59:31
you're running along the flat and you're
00:59:34
not puffing that for me is a great
00:59:36
feeling because I just feel so good on
00:59:38
those situations yeah you know when
00:59:40
you're properly fit uh normally it takes
00:59:43
a while to get to that point and
00:59:44
normally I've pushed myself a little bit
00:59:46
and say maybe the two weeks before then
00:59:48
and then just pulled back a little bit
00:59:50
but just lovely when you're running and
00:59:52
and not puffing and it feels effortless
00:59:54
yeah yeah you have days like that not
00:59:55
always sometimes sometimes it feels hard
00:59:57
but um yeah I I agree and just the
00:59:59
feeling you get when you're in the
01:00:00
shower afterwards just for a couple of
01:00:01
hours after a run you just feel amazing
01:00:03
right yeah do you shower after you run
01:00:04
do you tend to yeah straight after yeah
01:00:08
which culture no no warmish what do you
01:00:13
mean sweat for the rest of the day what
01:00:14
are you doing
01:00:16
well when do you shower after you run
01:00:17
well I'm always cold right right I go
01:00:20
for the plunge pool right particularly
01:00:22
good in winter
01:00:23
and then just kind of knocks the sweat
01:00:25
off right
01:00:26
um and then I'll have a shower later on
01:00:28
but if I shower after the thing I just
01:00:29
start sweating even more right maybe
01:00:31
that's why you've gone through two
01:00:33
T-shirts
01:00:36
it is a very clammy day there's so it's
01:00:39
dried up well actually that was that a
01:00:41
is that a running just a just a
01:00:43
Lululemon all right um Jeremy you're one
01:00:46
of the nicest guys ever I can't imagine
01:00:48
you ever ever being a dick to anyone oh
01:00:50
thank you that's a that's a very nice
01:00:52
thing that's embarrassing for me but
01:00:54
that's a very that's a really nice thing
01:00:56
to say yeah and uh you deserve all the
01:00:58
success that you're experiencing at the
01:00:59
moment and long mat continue oh thank
01:01:01
you very much might be over tomorrow
01:01:02
always waiting to be canceled foreign
01:01:08
hope you enjoyed that thank you very
01:01:10
much for joining us for another episode
01:01:12
of Runners only with dom Harvey thank
01:01:14
you very much for trying up and disaster
01:01:16
for jumping on board and sponsoring this
01:01:18
podcast we'll see you guys again soon
01:01:19
any feedback get it to me Dom Harvey NZ
01:01:22
gmail.com or on Instagram Don Harvey NZ
01:01:25
thanks guys
