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Matt Heath welcome to my podcast thanks
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for having me Dom so good to have you
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here
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um yeah we've been friends for a while
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and I've invited you on and finally got
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some [ __ ] to
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promote well you know we've had lots of
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chats over the years in an
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unprofessional manner we we met over a
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in a professional manner though I think
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we met when we were both asked to host
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the radio awards together that's when we
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met yeah that's what I was thinking
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about this the other day because it's um
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it was like a pre-recorded Radio awards
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and I was thinking this was way before
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Co though oh this was the global
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financial crisis yeah that's right so
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there was the 2008 2009 so we old school
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crisis that one so we uh we were in a a
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like a studio and we did a like a
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pre-recorded video which was then played
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yeah that's right the radio broadcasters
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of New Zealand and pre-record always
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take so much longer than anything else
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cuz you just keep messing up and then
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you get to go again so I remember that
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taking a really long time but the reason
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why we're friends is cuz we got given a
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voucher to spend on booze and food and
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something so we had to meet up at
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another point to spend it and then and
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then then a friendship Blossom from
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there yeah that's that's right so yes so
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you you you were working at Radio H
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which is where you're working now I was
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working at the edge they both there's
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two media companies in New Zealand
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they're both different media companies
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and I think from each side to do Theo
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was your boss um a lady called Jane
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Hastings that that thought it would be
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good uh would be a good peering and I
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was that was the first time we met is
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when we're in the studio and we were
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doing this thing and I I was really
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nervous about meeting you because I I
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just thought you were going to be this
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angry this angry dude that hates
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everything wow that's
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interesting I wonder where that
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impression came from no well I suppose
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it came from the little I knew about you
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which was like you'd been the bfm guy
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yeah yeah um you you were in deja Voodoo
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uh back of the wi Masterpiece television
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yeah I was doing a lot of angry acting
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at that point but you you couldn't be
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more more Placid or peaceful or Cal yeah
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and um a friendship bonded and it's
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quite funny cuz it's um we're not we're
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not close close we may be see each other
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like twice a year and we're very
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spontaneous so I'll Mage you on a
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Saturday afternoon saying it's a sunny
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day let's go drinking and you you'll do
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the same yeah whenever I have a period
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where I'm like I might try sobriety like
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you're one of the reasons that I think I
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shouldn't do it CU we have fabulous
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ketchups yeah we do yeah they they're
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they're they're Drunken ketchups To be
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honest but they wonderful but but yeah
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they're great know they're fantastic but
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yeah it's like you're not we're not
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going to just meet and um you know and
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both of us are interested in health and
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such but those those aren't the days
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when we going to lean into Health are we
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absolutely not like the amount of the
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amount of long lunches we've had at um
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my favorite restaurant it's a place in
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Pon called prago where we they do
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amazing food and we won't even eat we
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might get some calamari this year but
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it's you know it's been a good lunch
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when it's dark and and then there's been
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so many different layers of people
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coming through and you're still there
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yeah um but great service there you know
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they look after you it's it's wonderful
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so um you're here today um the primary
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reason is because you've got this
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amazing new book out called a lifel
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punishing uh 13 ways to love the life
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you've got which is cuz you've always
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got to have that thing after the title
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don't you like say 13 ways to to explain
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what it is so it's actually really long
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name is it it is a great book it's
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really it's really you must be proud of
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it yeah like it was when when they sort
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of came up to me and said would you like
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to write a book I was like yeah and I
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thought this is going to be really
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fullon and you've written three books um
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I thought yeah it's going to be full on
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and you know it's going to be full on
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it's like painting my house was a
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similar thing I thought this is going to
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be a lot but I wasn't quite sure exactly
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how much it was and how all consuming it
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was going to be CU it's always over your
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head and it's really enjoyable and and I
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wanted to do a lot of research for it
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and I want to kind of do it right and
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then it was just so consuming for my
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life you know like you know lunches at
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prao out you know you know like by the
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way hey I'm I'm pleased you bring up the
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house painting thing because I feel like
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uh through the duration of our
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friendship there's been there's been
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three it's been like a Trilogy of
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excuses to get out of a a date with me
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first one early on it was the kids oh
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got the kids this weekend now your kids
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are like grow how old are your kids uh
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one's 17 and one's 14 yeah so that's
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sort of done yeah so they'll be you'll
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see them at prer so there was excuse one
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then the last few years it's been the
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book now it's been the painting thing
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which is and now I'm like such a free
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man like cuz the house painting cuz I
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wanted to do something I mean you know
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good to talk about the book but the
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house painting has been freaking big cuz
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I'm not the I wasn't the most practical
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guy but I've had to learn how to do
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everything it's been freaking great but
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like painting a house it's like
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shouldn't take it took four months to
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pain paint the house you know it was a
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four month epic journey of
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self-discovery painting the house cuz I
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started off being completely useless and
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near the end I noticed a weatherboard
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that need to be replaced around the side
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of the house was cutting it in um fitted
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it in you
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know and I was like [ __ ] I'm practical
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it's
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great I feel like you've used the excuse
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on me for more than four
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months anyway this so this this book
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it's um it's the latest chapter in uh
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what has been to date um an incredible
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media career really he like if you think
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about it TV series movie animated TV
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series um a signed musician morning
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radio weekly column commentary and now
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this it's it's Stellar Yeah well yeah
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it's just sort of sort of simmering it
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sort of simmers you know the pots never
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sort of boiled over it's just sort of
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just operating in the background kind of
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there's always there was always
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something but they're all kind of the
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same thing aren't they really you know
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TV radio books like transferable it's
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all media but it's um yeah it's really
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cool you must look back and be proud of
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like your body work yeah I I am I'm
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learning to be that way but what do you
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mean you're learning well learning to be
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proud of things cuz I'm always feel like
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they're not perfect and they didn't do
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learn exactly what they wanted to them
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to be and and I've you know and that's
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kind of part of what this book is about
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is actually
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appreciating stuff because you know you
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you like really lucky to have all these
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opportunities but always like I'm not
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quite [ __ ] ripping the throat out of
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it you know it's not quite the greatest
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thing ever and and so you you living
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this of constant um needing to do more
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to prove it and yourself and then
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overshooting the mark and then then you
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never and then it goes away and then
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you're like like recently I did my last
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column for The Herald and um I wrote it
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about that it's like it's only you only
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appreciate it when it's gone like that
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that's the thing like all your little
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projects when they move on that's when
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you go that was awesome but at the time
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you're going ah God nothing's working
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you know so so yeah I feel I feel sort
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of the same way and I never allow myself
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to be sort of um proud or happy of what
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I'm doing I wonder if part of that comes
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from being from like Regional New
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Zealand you know I'm from pal paliston
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North you're fromen I'm from a farm
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outside denan and no no one lets you get
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you know too too big for your boots well
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when I was growing up my biggest wor in
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life was that I could live close enough
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to a Dairy that I could walk to a Dairy
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and buy an ice cream I thought that
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people that lived like that were living
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the absolute dream and I'd visit cousins
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and stuff and I go you guys can just go
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to a Dairy that that was the most
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amazing thing and I quickly reach that
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goal and then there's just and I didn't
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even enjoy that goal at one point I was
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living above a dairy and I was thinking
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this is it you know I can buy things
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anytime I want it was a two 24hour da
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almost but like but now but now yeah for
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now I'm not living near a Dey well I am
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actually living quite near a Dey but I
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didn't even appreciate their moment so
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close to a deiry when they came through
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so how how happy are you right now
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pretty freaking happy are you I reckon
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probably the happiest I've ever been and
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most content and mow I've ever been in
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my life and I wasn't when I started
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writing this book which is why I wrote
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the book cuz I thought you know I had
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this idea that maybe I could read and
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research my way out of bit of a funk I
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was that I was in and I think it turned
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out to be accurate because because I've
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come out the other end feeling pretty
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freaking good actually it's kind of
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making me feel a little bit nervous how
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good I feel cuz I feel like I'm I'm
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tempting the gods to punish me for being
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this good why what um what was the what
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was the secret what what what has made
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you happy what what's been helpful I I
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think the most helpful thing I I think
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is just um just I don't know it's such a
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cliche but being a little bit grateful
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for things and looking the right way and
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and and things and it's like a stoic
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principle that we're always looking you
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know like say you can be in a house
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right and you can look at the mansion
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and go why aren't own the Mansion or you
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could look at the person that's living
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in a dump in Mumbai and go how lucky I
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am you know what I mean and and that's
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the same thing across everything you may
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not be the most successful in what
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you're doing but you're not the least
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successful and you are managing to feed
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yourself and your kids are healthy and
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all that that kind of stuff it's just
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kind of learning to look in the right
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direction on things I'm going to say you
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know all of us like we have look into
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our kitchen and we go oh this kitchen
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needs to be we need to this ISS very
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middle class but this kitchen needs to
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be renovated you go and you look at it
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it's like no it doesn't cuz some
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freaking people have to carry the water
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to drink on their heads you know like
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mill hundreds of millions of people have
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to carry the water to their their their
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bucket and and and if you told them that
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not only were you not really happy and
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grateful for the kitchen you have you're
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thinking about you know ripping it out
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and putting a new one in you know even
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if you can't afford to to to rip it out
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and put a new one in you're still
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looking at going jeez wouldn't it be
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good if that tap was just immediately
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boiling water with a freezing cold water
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one there and how come my fridge isn't
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plumbed you know this this yeah the tap
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water is not ased as what it there's a
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terrible way you can look and the truth
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is there's always someone better off
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than you
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and there's always someone living the
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dream life but there's always many many
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more people worse off than you and it's
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an absolute shame if you don't learn to
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enjoy the good times because you know as
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they say the bad times are always coming
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yeah that's so true what do you think
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the lowest was for you what was what was
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your low point I don't know the the I
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reckon the lowest point with for me and
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I start the book in it when I was going
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through this really freaking bad stage
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in my life and the most annoying thing
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for me was like I had no right to be
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feeling like that you know cuz I was
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like well what what really do I want to
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do here and what's the problem here and
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and I guess like I'd sort of been in the
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pos position where i' had like these two
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really important woman in my life my
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mother and and my partner and I and I I
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guess now looking back I just those are
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the people that I I I talk to about life
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and and one died and and the other one
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the relationship ended and so I think I
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was just kind of um spiritually at see
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and and then um probably punish you with
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a bit of this chat uh here and there
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probably 25 bottles of wine deep but
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like um but you know and then and then
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but I didn't realize that at the time I
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was just like why am I [ __ ] I was in
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Queen down actually it's another
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terrible way to put it I was looking out
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over the lake very glamorous like I was
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looking out the lake and going oh [ __ ]
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my life's freaking terrible and I was
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going is it though and then and then I
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had this idea that maybe what I could do
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is just go really hard on researching
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you know a a way to feel better about
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things and and then this I didn't know
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that I I was writing that book at the
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time but really that just involved
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reading a lot of books and and listening
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to a lot of podcasts well you know but
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from our conversations that's one thing
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that I've always um like admired about
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you like I can listen to a three-hour
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Andrew hubman podcast about alcohol and
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at the end of it it's like I don't
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recall any specific facts but I know
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that alcohol is bad and I'm drinking too
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much whereas you're really good at like
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listening to these things or reading a
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book and then like recalling specific
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quotes it's quite punishing to hang out
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with me though because uh I will just
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whatever I've consumed comes back out
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the other end like cuz your fact
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dispenser yeah well that's what this bug
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is it's just a spew it's what I've done
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it's what I do to everyone it's like
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I've just in ingested it and then spewed
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it back out um yeah so oh you know
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you're doing that self-deprecating thing
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but it's it's really really good like
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you're taking some complex and well
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researched ideas but um you know sharing
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it or reuting it in a way that's easy to
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digest I I think it's really cleever
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yeah well well and what I want wanted to
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do was um make it slightly entertaining
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as well so there's some humiliating
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stories in there and stuff but you know
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I'm very interested in history and
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interested in science and very
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interested in philosophy um my degrees
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is in philosophy well it's in
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anthropology and philosophy so it's kind
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of this is right in my my wheelhouse
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writing this book finally get to use
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that degree it's funny I only bought the
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degree out like I found it when I was
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moving out of a house and I found it and
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and like some you know the box of
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special things and I'd never taken it
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out of the cardboard that it was sent to
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me because I didn't turn up to accept it
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in fact my dad was one of the people
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that was handing out the degrees and he
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had to read or stand there with my name
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in one of you know those stupid outfits
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and and and I didn't even turn up to
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accept my degree that had taken me 5
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years to get why I thought for some
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reason I'd moved on I I I don't know I
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just moved on I got the degree and I was
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out of there I was like it was wasn't an
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anger thing or anything no I think I was
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making a TV show at the point and that
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was all consuming so I didn't do it I
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just finished it and then forgot about
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it kind of and then and I got the invite
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and I didn't get the cap or the Gown or
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go down there or or do anything well do
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you feel sad now like as a actually I do
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actually why don't I go and enjoy the
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degree because like I could have had to
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throw the hat in the air and do all that
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and had that picture what's a moment it
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represents a lot of hard work I know and
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I actually had that moment when I um I
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um put it on the wall and and the dean
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in my house I was like oh I'm actually
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going to put this degree up it's pretty
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pretty good it took took me quite a
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while to get it and um and then I
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actually I I actually was talking to a
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friend um Andrew Schusterman at the time
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and I um sent him a picture of it he
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goes rubbish frame like spend some money
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on the freaking frame if you're going to
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hang that up and I was like oh yeah
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looks terrible doesn't it so the moment
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of enjoyment was very short yeah yeah
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yeah so um yeah let's because you
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mentioned this in in the book um you you
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mentioned your your mom and your ex
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lannie just a second ago so that was a
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su I think this was about the time we
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met so when we met um you were still
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with lannie who's um she might be not to
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some people as the bass player from the
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band Lop yeah yeah mother of my children
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yeah you got the two kids together um so
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when we first met you were still going
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out then you sort of broke up and then
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you got back together a bit um but it
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seems very amicable you're still it's an
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admirable relationship yeah she's a
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fantastic mom and she's just done such a
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good job and especially all those times
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when you know I was working a lot and
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you know she travels a lot and um we
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both do and she's just amazing like
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she's just a natural mom whereas I
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wasn't necessarily a natural dad took me
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a while but she was she just she was a
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baby came out and she was like oh this
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is what you're doing I was like [ __ ]
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does it I was like asking does it just
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keep breathing like you know I didn't
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know anything about babies I was like
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what do you do what what do we do with
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it she's like it's fine put it in a you
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know she just took charge and it's been
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great what happened there because it
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does seem like you've got a good
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relationship now it kind of reminds me a
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bit of the the relationship that I have
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with with my xjj but yeah I mean I was
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just walking over here I was texting you
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you know about some funny thing you know
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so we're good very good mates yeah yeah
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do like how you look back on that now
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and do you think um you like you could
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have tried harder or you could have done
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something differently or did it just run
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its course I I just guess it R's course
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and she's got a great life now and I've
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got a great life now and she'll always
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be in my life so it's like um it's sweet
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ass you know it is what it is that's
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cool and um yeah you describe who as the
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best person you've ever met alongside
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your mom which I think she she must have
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um God she must have been emotional when
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she read
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that she she probably hasn't read it yet
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all right she may not read this yeah I'm
00:16:40
pretty annoying I don't know she she's
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heard so much of my crap like I think
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reading this book would be torture to
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just hear me go you know oh but that
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that's a high high praise it's a really
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nice thing and then um then there's
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there's your mom like I I never got to
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meet your mom but I know how important
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she was to you and she was um yeah
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you're from a smart family like your mom
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spoke five languages yeah um your dad's
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an a professor from Oxford yeah he he he
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got his um one of his phds at Oxford
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yeah so what what what were your early
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aspirations see I just wanted to be a
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rock star from really early on like I
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really I wanted to be two things an
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anthropologist like Indiana Jones and a
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rockstar and I remember saying that to a
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career uh you know counselor at high
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school I was like they're like what do
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you want to be I said well I want to be
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musician or rockar and they're like but
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that's not a serious thing is like that
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is it is and and or I want to be like an
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archaeologist like you know on a on a
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site so um so then of course my dad said
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you have to study law because he wanted
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me to be a doctor and and so I started
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studying law at y um but then quickly
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transitioned that into an an
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anthropology degree and um whilst
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playing in bands which was my main my
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main thing and interestingly enough our
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manager at one point was Grant Robinson
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who went on to be the Finance Minister
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of new oh wow and Deputy Prime Minister
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yeah he yeah he sent me a he sent me
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like a this
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letter at some point um which was him
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sending out for us to get gigs like you
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know High School gigs like we were out
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playing in high schools you know cuz we
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were teenagers playing out and it was
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like they can so so I really wanted to
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be that's that's what I wanted to wanted
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to do and but I also also wanted to be a
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movie director as well so they're all
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pretty lofty goals for someone growing
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up and and um you know and and in the
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outs of Den on a farm it seems
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unobtainable and what what about your
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parents were they like Mor you know it's
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easy to say as a kid I I want to do this
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then to actually followed through and do
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it I was the third kid and so I think
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that sort of moved on a little bit
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there's not a lot of photos of me and my
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little sister um of four and when I was
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13 I moved into a renovated Barn one
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into the farm it was miles away from the
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house and so when I got my car I was
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pretty inde independent
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I was just I was moving I was moving
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friends in and out into the house as
00:19:02
well like I had one friend living in
00:19:03
this Cottage on the on the farm and and
00:19:06
moving people into my room so I was very
00:19:09
it was very independent so apart from
00:19:11
seeing my report cards and going you
00:19:13
know they're always the same report
00:19:14
cards everyone gets um you know but did
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your do your parents have like an
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understanding of um like the the the
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intell we get we'll get into the work
00:19:23
you've done and it's all all had like a
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bog and San on it but um like I've gone
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in a a deep dive in you're working the
00:19:29
last couple of weeks and it's it's
00:19:30
really clever stuff like underlying
00:19:33
there's some real clever stuff did they
00:19:34
understand the the Brilliance of it or
00:19:36
were they sort of like curling their
00:19:38
toes up at what you were doing
00:19:40
essentally CU my sisters have said to me
00:19:41
that my mom would accept anything from
00:19:43
me so you know we'd be on TV doing
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something absolutely shocking like I
00:19:47
remember we did the skit called um you
00:19:51
know it was Perman and we and they ran
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into this woman called scat woman and
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Scat woman was just fighting pman and wh
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with you know you know I can imagine
00:20:00
what it was it was just so um outrageous
00:20:04
and then and then my mom's laughing at
00:20:05
it and my mom was pretty straight like
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unbelievably straight but because it was
00:20:11
me then it was fine you know if she'd
00:20:13
seen anyone else doing it it would be
00:20:15
crime but but she was she was always
00:20:17
very very very supportive oh you could
00:20:19
just do no wrong no wrong yeah I I think
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Looking Back Now I I I I was lucky in
00:20:23
that regard that she would L me away
00:20:26
with anything pretty much what um yeah
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what what did she what did she pass away
00:20:30
from um she just did it was a it was
00:20:34
pretty it was just uh genetic heart
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disorder right she was basically she was
00:20:39
basically destined to Die the day she
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died from from birth pretty much it was
00:20:43
just a it was a and you know my father
00:20:46
being a medical guy had a pretty
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intensive autopsy done on on her when
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she passed cuz it was pretty hardcore
00:20:53
for him you know he was in the in the in
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The Farmhouse with her when she went
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down and um you know he tried to save
00:20:59
her but it was there's no chance
00:21:00
whatever um so yeah I mean it's funny
00:21:03
cuz like she was a t toal um you know
00:21:08
ate so well and then just she was gone
00:21:12
um and uh how old was she she was just
00:21:15
very just just syy so um so that was
00:21:19
that was distant to happen like you know
00:21:20
you know one of those things that there
00:21:21
was nothing that she could do but you
00:21:23
know I wonder if you know if you're not
00:21:25
try trying to I think about it like if
00:21:27
you're not trying to live to if you're
00:21:29
not trying to live to 95 and you knew
00:21:31
you were out at 70 then I mean there's
00:21:33
there's a lot more things you could have
00:21:34
done but she was never going to be the
00:21:35
person that was going to be really rip
00:21:36
it up like I wasn't really wasn't really
00:21:41
but who knows I've got a freaking heart
00:21:43
so yeah you know it's well known that
00:21:46
that um you can build resilience by
00:21:47
doing tough things and forcing yourself
00:21:49
into difficult situations probably the
00:21:50
same maybe it's the same with your
00:21:51
organs like punish them a little bit
00:21:54
slowly over the years yeah maybe yeah
00:21:56
hopefully cuz done really had to go my
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organs over the years so what um [ __ ]
00:22:01
what due to the sportic sort of nature
00:22:03
of our relationship and seeing each
00:22:05
other twice a year like I I I feel I
00:22:07
feel [ __ ] about this CU I wasn't really
00:22:09
there for you at the time I suppose I
00:22:10
didn't didn't even know you mom like
00:22:11
I've never met her but that must have
00:22:13
been a bloody difficult time like yeah
00:22:15
no yeah it was um it was full on and
00:22:18
especially like if you're to be honest
00:22:20
bit of a mummy's boy so you know I was
00:22:21
like you know you know there wasn't long
00:22:24
times you know and the last thing I I
00:22:26
wrote about in the book ity because you
00:22:28
know I want to talk about there's
00:22:29
chapters you know there 30 chapters
00:22:31
they're all about different emotions but
00:22:32
one of them is grieving and um and you
00:22:35
know like you know just before she died
00:22:36
like you know last thing I said to her
00:22:38
on the phone after a really long chat
00:22:40
was you know I love you m it was one of
00:22:41
their classic 2hour Chats on the phone
00:22:43
you know like 2our chat yeah we chat all
00:22:45
the time I think says a lot about your
00:22:47
relationship yeah cuz she was a
00:22:48
philosopher you know you know and it's
00:22:50
funny cuz I'm when I finished the book I
00:22:52
was just thinking about what I'd written
00:22:53
about and there's a lot of a parallel
00:22:55
between Greek and Indian thought like
00:22:56
you know between um stoicism and
00:22:59
Buddhism and and and you know a lot of
00:23:01
other [ __ ] in there Neuroscience all
00:23:03
that kind of stuff but then I was
00:23:03
thinking about oh that's what my mom
00:23:04
wrote her thesis on the parallels
00:23:06
between Greek and Indian thought so um
00:23:10
so you don't know what you're repeating
00:23:11
a from your parents do you like you
00:23:13
don't even know doing it's amazing what
00:23:15
um what you pick up there sinks in yeah
00:23:18
yeah [ __ ] she'd be she'd be so proud of
00:23:19
this book right well she' be she was
00:23:21
proud of skom
00:23:23
so so this this book would be like a
00:23:26
relief finally he's reach potential yeah
00:23:29
it would be funny she'd be like it's a
00:23:30
bit it's a bit light man so so the 2hour
00:23:33
conversation the the last chat you had
00:23:35
what do you what were the contents of
00:23:37
that just general yarning yeah we always
00:23:39
talk about philosophy and politics and
00:23:43
and and that kind of thing and you know
00:23:45
and she was quite cheeky and smart and
00:23:47
she was like and in fact I've had lots
00:23:48
of relationships where they're like oh
00:23:50
why are you always trying to win points
00:23:53
over me but that was the that was the
00:23:55
conversations with my mom were always
00:23:56
like who was smarter which was always
00:23:58
her by miles but you always trying to
00:24:00
see if you could prove a logical Point
00:24:02
against each other and so we're always
00:24:04
spinning around at the end of the
00:24:05
argument it would always be it was an
00:24:06
argument but it was pleasant and so I
00:24:08
grew up with that these kind of pleasant
00:24:10
intellectual debates debates that were
00:24:12
quite heated in a way but you were
00:24:14
trying to win but there's also a lot of
00:24:16
love in it so you know blah blah hat you
00:24:19
be getting sweaty while your mom was
00:24:20
beating you on the argument you know on
00:24:22
the phone you can't let it down and then
00:24:24
you'd be like anyway I love you
00:24:25
Mom and you know so it was it was it was
00:24:28
Qui freaking intense and so I think
00:24:30
maybe that's why you know you know I say
00:24:32
in the book when I was sort of all at
00:24:33
Sea in life and couldn't really
00:24:35
understand what was going on I was like
00:24:36
probably because I wasn't having these
00:24:37
bloody huge conversations with my ex and
00:24:39
my um and uh my mom although I feel like
00:24:43
my ex would have probably preferred if I
00:24:46
didn't bring so much of that kind of
00:24:47
logical intense debate structure to our
00:24:50
relationship so you're trying to debate
00:24:52
with her she like man I'm a bass player
00:24:54
at B this [ __ ] what are we having for
00:24:56
dinner so did you did you did you always
00:24:58
sign off your conversations with your
00:24:59
mom that way love you
00:25:02
Mom fish them yeah yeah yeah always yeah
00:25:06
yeah right was like anyway love you Mom
00:25:08
[ __ ] that's and then when did you get
00:25:09
the news about her her passing who who
00:25:11
did that was that your dad or yeah yeah
00:25:13
yeah my dad rang um did you want to talk
00:25:14
about that or oh oh when when he died do
00:25:17
I want to talk about oh yeah yeah no
00:25:18
it's fine yeah yeah he just he just rang
00:25:20
in the middle of the night said um she's
00:25:21
gone and I was like what do you mean she
00:25:23
goes she she's dead she dropped dead in
00:25:25
a study and I was like [ __ ] that's
00:25:28
pretty intense because you know you sort
00:25:30
of worry about that when you're younger
00:25:32
don't you you're like oh my parents and
00:25:34
then what happens it's quite intense but
00:25:35
I I behaved in a very cliched fashion I
00:25:38
just drank an entire bottle of um Jack
00:25:40
Daniels and tipped over a bunch of chair
00:25:43
and act like a real
00:25:44
duck when were you at home yeah I was
00:25:47
just having to be home by myself so I
00:25:49
was
00:25:50
like and then and um I had a breakfast
00:25:53
show to do the next day and I talked to
00:25:55
my dad and I said oh I'll fly down he
00:25:56
goes well you have to do you breakfast
00:25:58
show he's very intense about work so I
00:26:01
was like you got to get that you got to
00:26:03
get your job done flying down after your
00:26:04
job so I went to my radio show and then
00:26:06
flew down yeah and uh it was pretty
00:26:08
intense actually but uh you know happens
00:26:11
to everyone isn't it it's not a unique
00:26:12
experience everyone Grieves everyone
00:26:14
loses people yeah but it's just the
00:26:16
sudden nature of it it's quite but I
00:26:18
suppose the the opposite of that is
00:26:20
um slow death where you get to leave no
00:26:23
stone unturned and things things don't
00:26:25
get left unsaid but it's it's a
00:26:27
trade-off isn't it yeah and but when I
00:26:29
think about it in a way even though I
00:26:31
prefer she was around obviously there
00:26:33
were some parts of it that are really
00:26:34
good and that you know and that the last
00:26:36
thing I see to us that and that we were
00:26:37
in a really good space and and not that
00:26:39
we ever really had any problems I mean
00:26:41
one time I turned up for Christmas din I
00:26:42
so hung over and I had bought anyone
00:26:45
presents when I was about 23 and I and I
00:26:48
fell asleep on the Christmas table with
00:26:50
my head down and I remember just been
00:26:53
working up to be told I ruin Christmas
00:26:55
but that relationship was pretty good
00:26:58
oh so yeah so how old were you how old
00:27:00
were you when she passed that's a very
00:27:02
good question um I can't even work it
00:27:04
out I was in 40s 40s right okay so she
00:27:08
so you yeah you got to make her proud
00:27:10
she was proud of your work she was proud
00:27:11
of your how you were doing as a dad yeah
00:27:14
yeah yeah yeah she she she she' she met
00:27:17
obviously she'd met both my kids and
00:27:19
spent a lot of time with them and and so
00:27:21
that's that's pretty good because
00:27:22
because I think that would be hard if
00:27:23
she hadn't met the met the kids but you
00:27:25
know yeah and what about your dad he's
00:27:27
fine yeah yeah I mean freaking pretty
00:27:29
rough on him tell you yeah absolutely
00:27:31
was cuz you know he was stuck in that
00:27:32
house and then then the huge snowfall
00:27:34
came in he was locked in there so he got
00:27:36
online and he bought a new house while
00:27:37
he was in the old house he bought a new
00:27:39
house I'm I can't stay in here as soon
00:27:41
as I get out of here and then he he
00:27:44
moved out and I'll tell you what if you
00:27:45
live in a big place people will know
00:27:47
this you know if you live in an
00:27:48
apartment you can't store a lot of stuff
00:27:51
but if you live in a farm with multiple
00:27:52
buildings you can store everything that
00:27:54
you've ever bought or been past and you
00:27:56
never have to throw anything out for for
00:27:58
for years and years and years you grow
00:28:00
to the space you've got yeah yeah that's
00:28:02
right so the cleanup you know you know
00:28:04
me and my three sisters and uh my dad
00:28:07
cleaning up that house and all those
00:28:09
memories cuz when I moved out like I
00:28:11
just left my room cuz no one was even
00:28:12
going to go into the top of that Barn
00:28:13
again so that was just exactly as I'd
00:28:15
left it they had to be freaking cleared
00:28:17
out there was condoms everywhere you
00:28:18
know what I'm saying so many Posh wanks
00:28:22
there was so many things that needed to
00:28:24
be moveed moved out um do you do you
00:28:26
think he he wanted to move because it
00:28:27
was just too painful staying there yeah
00:28:29
yeah I know for a fact he had to get the
00:28:30
hell out you know um cuz he was he was
00:28:33
very they were they were a very devoted
00:28:35
couple as it were as it were I don't
00:28:37
know that's not the right saying they
00:28:38
were a very devoted C you know they were
00:28:40
they were the kind of people that would
00:28:41
um embarrass the kids by telling each
00:28:44
other how much they love each other over
00:28:45
the breakfast over The Breakfast Table
00:28:47
dinner table and you're like but now I
00:28:49
think it's quite cool oh it is it's it's
00:28:51
wonderful right it's wonderful um okay
00:28:54
let's talk about some of the career
00:28:55
stuff so the book starts with um you
00:28:56
retelling a story of a fist fight you
00:28:58
had in front of Tim fin in 2003 21 years
00:29:02
so how old were you like early 20s yeah
00:29:04
yeah this is about probably about the
00:29:05
same year is when you fell asleep at the
00:29:07
dinner
00:29:08
table so um this is with your friend um
00:29:11
comedy partner and bandmate Chris step
00:29:14
yes so what's what's the story there
00:29:15
well well yeah like with the book I
00:29:17
wanted to write about all these emotions
00:29:19
and anger so I had to have these
00:29:20
examples of when cuz I used to be an
00:29:22
Angry Young Man oh yeah you were saying
00:29:24
before you thought I'd be angry I used
00:29:25
to be quite an angry person I can't I I
00:29:28
find it hard to reconcile I know
00:29:30
everyone simers down with age but I I
00:29:32
can't imagine you being angry you're the
00:29:33
least angry person I I I I mean that
00:29:36
that story was freaking bad so we we're
00:29:38
on soundcheck we're touring with Tim
00:29:40
Finn um and it's such a stupid story
00:29:43
because we just one of the songs we
00:29:46
hadn't been playing that well and I was
00:29:47
like oh I want to practice it twice and
00:29:49
he said no um but there was another part
00:29:53
of the show where we we I'd light
00:29:56
guitars on fire and and had them around
00:29:58
the head with them um while while Tim
00:30:01
Finn sung the song inber hink song 10
00:30:04
guitars and I'd broken a couple of
00:30:06
Chris's ribs the day before but I didn't
00:30:08
know because I'd swung wrong there was
00:30:10
10 guitars acoustic guitars supposed to
00:30:12
smash them over his head but just to mix
00:30:15
it up on day three of the tour I swung
00:30:18
low hit him in the ribs so I didn't know
00:30:20
that he was going through that pain
00:30:22
later on I found out that he he had
00:30:24
spent the night before in his hotel room
00:30:27
in a bath drinking vodka to try and deal
00:30:31
with the pain with bath salts and stuff
00:30:32
I don't know that anyway so I was saying
00:30:34
we need to practice the song three times
00:30:35
because we were terrible last night and
00:30:36
he goes no and then and then we just got
00:30:39
into an argument and then next thing you
00:30:41
know he's holding his the bird in front
00:30:43
of my face and then we [ __ ] beating
00:30:46
the crap out of each other on stage I
00:30:48
throw them down some stairs and then we
00:30:50
end up in the in Tim Fin's dressing room
00:30:52
he's about to do his sound chck and it's
00:30:54
like the table set up for later on with
00:30:56
like drinks and stuff on it and I throw
00:30:59
Chris through the table and then Chris
00:31:00
is timin's up against the wall going is
00:31:04
this a bit are we he couldn't understand
00:31:08
it and then and then I managed to get
00:31:09
Chris's shoe off and I was just beating
00:31:11
him on the head with the shoe in the
00:31:13
middle of the room and then just had
00:31:15
this moment I looked around you know
00:31:16
those moments of clarity and there was
00:31:18
people just standing there was things
00:31:20
was wrecked and I was like this is
00:31:22
humiliating like what has happened here
00:31:24
you're wildly
00:31:25
inappropriate just so bad just so bad um
00:31:30
that uh yeah and so that was an you know
00:31:33
yeah and I can't imagine myself getting
00:31:34
that angry again but but we all get
00:31:36
angry and just the argument in this this
00:31:38
book is that anger is you know one of
00:31:40
the things that makes your life
00:31:41
unnecessary bad like not a lot of good
00:31:43
comes from being angry you know you
00:31:44
don't make good decisions when you're
00:31:46
angry you can ruin your life I mean got
00:31:48
prisons are full of people that got
00:31:49
angry and um and you don't Red Mist yeah
00:31:53
yeah and you don't really need to get
00:31:54
angry you no and and then you just
00:31:56
embarrass when you when you're
00:31:57
regulating back to normal you're just
00:31:58
embarrassed about how you acted even as
00:32:01
an angry text you know or or you never
00:32:04
feel good like it say like if you storm
00:32:06
out of a room and you've got angry and
00:32:08
you've lost control you've never made
00:32:10
the situation better and you've
00:32:11
definitely not held your dignity you
00:32:13
know and and you probably haven't
00:32:14
furthered your cause and um yeah so
00:32:19
it's so that's something I would
00:32:22
not yeah how did so how did how did you
00:32:26
in Chris mate it was a very very
00:32:28
successful partnership yeah well um we
00:32:30
met because I wanted to join a band and
00:32:33
he had a band and so I tried out to be
00:32:35
in the band as a as a it was called kid
00:32:37
tunity and I tried out to be a B in the
00:32:39
band was it serious band or yeah yeah
00:32:41
yeah serious band and um and they were
00:32:43
looking for a girl cuz I wanted a girl
00:32:44
bass player and at the time I had really
00:32:47
long ha and he goes well you basically
00:32:49
[ __ ] look like a girl so you might as
00:32:51
well be in the band you can play bass I
00:32:53
was like okay so that was about the
00:32:56
level of our communication for the next
00:32:59
but it was um it was very successful so
00:33:00
you did back of the Y together the full
00:33:03
length motion picture movie The Devil
00:33:04
Dar me to the band Deja Voodoo yeah yeah
00:33:07
we we we we morphed into kind of a silly
00:33:09
band at one point yeah I think um yeah
00:33:13
like re researching for this podcast
00:33:15
like I think um yeah Deja V slipped me
00:33:19
past at the time like I I just thought
00:33:20
you were this remember we got into that
00:33:22
big scrap at an edge Fest like with the
00:33:24
band Alien Ant Farm oh no I remind me
00:33:27
know this I I forgot you played at an N
00:33:30
Fest hey did you play at n Fest oh no I
00:33:32
think like what happened was lony was
00:33:34
playing El was playing an N Fest I was
00:33:36
down there and we were drinking in the
00:33:37
in her dressing room and then there was
00:33:39
an altercation about her mirror and
00:33:41
someone thought thought we were stealing
00:33:43
the mirror and then ended up just being
00:33:45
this fullon fight uh between us and
00:33:48
alien amp farm and then the edge
00:33:50
organizers I think Leon said to our
00:33:53
management they weren't even freaking
00:33:55
paying what what why have we got this
00:33:57
these this band down here fighting our
00:33:59
headline act when they're not when
00:34:01
they're not even um they're not even on
00:34:02
the Bell they're not even on the bill
00:34:04
what are they what are they even doing
00:34:05
there just outside Hamilton having a
00:34:08
fight but it's sort of
00:34:10
reinforced yeah and and the music of
00:34:13
deja voo like it's kind of like heavy
00:34:15
sort of rock but I listened to it
00:34:17
yesterday at the gym and it's um like
00:34:19
musically it's it's very clever like
00:34:21
it's brilant it's like spinal tap like
00:34:23
comedy songs like what fight of the
00:34:25
Concords was doing I I always sort of
00:34:28
struggled with that a little bit because
00:34:29
I wanted to like everything I was like
00:34:31
we're in this band and we're playing
00:34:32
these big shows and we we're having
00:34:34
success like I mean not huge success but
00:34:36
you know like you're having success of
00:34:37
you're selling out venues and you can
00:34:39
and you know you can dive into the
00:34:40
audience and and get carried around when
00:34:42
you're playing guitar so that's success
00:34:44
to a certain extent and um you know and
00:34:47
and stuff but I was like why are we a
00:34:48
joke band I was like why can't we be a
00:34:51
real band I'd like to be in a real band
00:34:53
so I once again I didn't even enjoy that
00:34:54
situation cuz I was like going you know
00:34:57
instead of standing on stage going all
00:34:58
these people are singing the songs this
00:34:59
freaking great I'm like why aren't we a
00:35:01
real band why are we singing these
00:35:02
stupid songs that I've that I've written
00:35:04
for the start so it's all my own fault
00:35:06
you know bloody great songs e like um
00:35:09
very clever like today tomorrow tamaru
00:35:11
it's a great song um yeah it sounds like
00:35:14
it could be an exponent song you yeah
00:35:15
well that was a tribute to the exponent
00:35:16
so me and Chris wrote that song when we
00:35:19
were hitchhiking from Den to Christ
00:35:20
Church and um we stopped off in taru and
00:35:23
and we're like oh that's this is where
00:35:24
bloody children Luck's from so we wrote
00:35:27
a a a tribute to to the exponents called
00:35:30
today tomorrow U that yeah but you know
00:35:33
that bugs me because I wish we changed
00:35:34
key like in the last chorus should have
00:35:36
changed key and it freaking annoys me I
00:35:38
don't know why what we were thinking and
00:35:39
also would it kill us to get some
00:35:41
freaking harmonies going in the
00:35:43
cor can can you do you struggle to look
00:35:45
back at any of your work and and see
00:35:47
anything but the
00:35:49
floors yeah well I mean back of the way
00:35:51
like a first television show was kind of
00:35:54
meant to be really ropey um and I think
00:35:56
that was actually pretty good like I I
00:35:58
watched that again and for what it was
00:36:00
which was kind of pure Anarchy I think
00:36:01
that was actually that first SE season
00:36:03
was really quite cool so I'm quite proud
00:36:05
of that but proud of it but I don't like
00:36:08
my kid I don't I haven't shown it to my
00:36:09
kids but pretty proud of it you have
00:36:11
they not seen it no it kind of hasn't
00:36:13
because it was cuz the idea was to shoot
00:36:15
a TV show on TV andz that was shot on
00:36:18
handic cams like was shot like on handic
00:36:21
cams but was also on a big set and so
00:36:24
it's kind of a weird idea that you have
00:36:26
a kind a [ __ ] version of a really
00:36:29
mainstream show that then has you know
00:36:31
like the the stage was a um was weighted
00:36:34
like a wrestling ring so we could you
00:36:36
know slam each other on the stage when
00:36:38
we were we were fighting cuz I back the
00:36:39
I started with me and Chris just sitting
00:36:40
in a room with a um camera on a tripod
00:36:45
um Wayne's World style for triangle
00:36:46
television in ockland so we just
00:36:48
interview each other dressed up as
00:36:49
stuntmen and we'd go and do stunts and
00:36:51
then and then we' release it and then
00:36:53
and so we wanted to keep that ethic when
00:36:55
we went to or that aesthetic when we
00:36:56
went to when we finally got onto TV andz
00:36:59
with our show and um and so I think
00:37:01
that's pretty cool because it's it's
00:37:02
such an odd thing like I imagine if I
00:37:04
came across that I like what's this I
00:37:06
heard once that Paul Holmes did a show
00:37:08
called I think it might been called
00:37:09
grinder but anyway it was a show that he
00:37:11
did years ago that there not many copies
00:37:13
of before he was a big like a big star
00:37:16
that was really sort of rough on a bunch
00:37:18
of friends so I imagine if I found back
00:37:19
of the wi now I'd go wow this existed
00:37:22
this is OD but but if if we were coming
00:37:24
up now would just be clips on YouTube
00:37:25
wouldn't we we would wouldn't be on yeah
00:37:27
Tik Tok yeah I watched um season 1
00:37:30
episode one yesterday it's still on
00:37:31
YouTube or NZ on screen one of those
00:37:33
sites and it's it's really really good
00:37:35
like you can see the you can see the
00:37:36
mirr in it but it's it's full noise yeah
00:37:39
it's great so um I remember I remember
00:37:40
once
00:37:41
um uh we we went out cu the show was
00:37:45
immediately quite popular and back then
00:37:46
when you had a show on TV people would
00:37:47
immediately recognize you I went from no
00:37:49
one really knowing who I was to and and
00:37:51
the first episode there's this joke
00:37:52
where I go um I go up to people on the
00:37:54
street and de them it was it was a
00:37:56
parody of this show called who dear wi
00:37:59
oh Mike Whitney Whitney ex Australian
00:38:01
AFL player yeah yeah and it was like um
00:38:03
you'd go you know he dare you and so I'd
00:38:05
go to people with a mic Whitney head on
00:38:08
and go I dare you to I dare you to eat
00:38:11
my piss and drink my [ __ ] and if you do
00:38:13
I'll give you five bucks and I go up to
00:38:15
people like in malls and stuff and and
00:38:16
say that um yeah and so so the next day
00:38:21
like cuz at that point I was working in
00:38:22
a record store real groovy records and
00:38:24
literally the next day after the show
00:38:26
went to ear um um people would just
00:38:28
start saying eat my [ __ ] and drink my P
00:38:31
everywhere I went I was like well this
00:38:32
isn't how I was going to imagine it
00:38:34
playing out I thought maybe I thought I
00:38:36
might get some attention from woman or
00:38:38
absolute [ __ ] bogans telling me to
00:38:40
eat this [ __ ] it was really good though
00:38:43
at the end there's like a the New
00:38:44
Zealand on air logo and you're like this
00:38:46
is absolutely not funded by New Zealand
00:38:48
on air and yeah there's V looks like v v
00:38:52
sponsor so we're like government
00:38:53
fundings for losers uh we didn't take
00:38:55
any of your taxpayer money up your ass
00:38:58
this is paid for by V that was that was
00:39:00
our thing which was I mean you know like
00:39:02
cuz cuz you know that's the first thing
00:39:04
that happens isn't people
00:39:05
go this is [ __ ] I paid for it you know
00:39:09
yeah the tax p is oh couldn't we build
00:39:10
another
00:39:12
prison yeah oh um Bill Roston say he was
00:39:15
a TV reviewer at the time didn't he
00:39:18
didn't he try and get it boycotted like
00:39:19
before it even went it got sent out and
00:39:22
and he ran a campaign against it every
00:39:24
week it was he was writing something in
00:39:25
his column which was in a paper don't
00:39:28
think it was the heral but um and just
00:39:30
saying the Beck the's got to die and I
00:39:32
killed Beck the Y cuz he got it pulled
00:39:34
like he didn't get it pulled but there
00:39:35
was so much media about it being the
00:39:36
shock most filthy and disgusting show
00:39:38
that had ever been made and it shouldn't
00:39:40
be on New Zealand television and it got
00:39:42
pulled and TV ear just rang up and said
00:39:44
it's not going to ear it's being sheld
00:39:47
because and um but there was a guy
00:39:49
called Jeff Steven who was who's the um
00:39:51
commissioner at the time at tvz he was
00:39:53
wonderful guy loved the show and so he
00:39:55
was quite gutted
00:39:57
about it and you know my sign off was um
00:39:59
see you CTS next week and he was like um
00:40:01
at the end of the show House see you CS
00:40:03
next week um and um he was like that's
00:40:06
got to stay he's got to that's got to
00:40:07
stay you know and this is 2001 so that
00:40:10
that's got to stay um so he was really
00:40:12
supportive but then it got pulled but
00:40:13
just so happened that one of the guys
00:40:16
that worked on our show his auntie was
00:40:18
the minister of broadcasting at the time
00:40:21
and so she just rang up TV andz at one
00:40:22
point said what what where the hell is
00:40:23
my nephew's freaking TV show why isn't
00:40:25
that on and then it was sudden back on
00:40:28
and then and then it was announced it
00:40:29
was going to here a couple of weeks a
00:40:31
couple of months later why why why was
00:40:33
there so much
00:40:34
um you why was there so much blowback
00:40:37
from one person's opinion I yeah I I
00:40:39
just think it it really blew up and then
00:40:42
there were questions asked in parli
00:40:43
about it so before she did it there were
00:40:45
people saying why is tvnz because you
00:40:47
know tvnz's always Under Pressure
00:40:49
because it's owned by the government so
00:40:50
why is tvnz and it was just listing some
00:40:52
of the jokes in it and like on on paper
00:40:55
it didn't look good you know well
00:40:56
there's one yeah so for anyone a lot of
00:40:58
people wouldn't have seen it they're
00:40:59
probably search searching it up as they
00:41:00
listen or watch this but it's um kind of
00:41:03
like jackasses would that be the thing
00:41:05
to compare to but but really full noise
00:41:07
like in season one episode one there's
00:41:09
what's the cop sketch called a
00:41:10
constables constables yeah so there's a
00:41:13
cop that um like tries to stop drunk
00:41:15
drivers but he's pissed himself he just
00:41:16
wants to confiscate their alcohol yeah
00:41:18
yeah it's yeah it's outlandish stuff
00:41:21
yeah so what was your thought at the
00:41:23
time like when when you and Chris were
00:41:24
riding it you just want to shock people
00:41:26
you
00:41:27
did you just find it funny or yeah well
00:41:29
we grew up in quite a Bogan area um and
00:41:33
so we found Bogan quite funny but we
00:41:35
weren't really bogans ourselves and you
00:41:37
know it reminds me of um you know
00:41:39
Fredick NRI said battle you not with
00:41:41
monsters lest you become a monster and
00:41:43
that was kind of what happened we
00:41:45
started making stuff about bogans and
00:41:47
then we actually became bogans because
00:41:48
we were so concentrated on it so we
00:41:50
weren't so we found all that kind of
00:41:53
stuff really interesting because denan
00:41:54
is a really weird cross between
00:41:57
University students that are quite this
00:41:59
way and locals which are quite Southland
00:42:01
bogens you know that that's kind of the
00:42:04
way it works out and so we were locals
00:42:06
so we were the pieces of [ __ ] in town
00:42:07
really you know what I mean so so so you
00:42:10
got all these rich orlanders coming in
00:42:11
and you're the local piece of [ __ ] so
00:42:14
that's kind of what we were leaning into
00:42:15
you know like you know like there's all
00:42:16
these students walking around they live
00:42:17
in their flats and then then they'll
00:42:19
have a party in five cars of bogans will
00:42:22
turn up and ruin it and those are the
00:42:23
locals you know and all the trouble in
00:42:25
Den this is the thing people don't know
00:42:26
about denan all the trouble is caused by
00:42:28
locals and it's all blamed on the
00:42:29
students you know and so we were the
00:42:31
locals causing trouble and um and uh
00:42:34
yeah so that was where it all came out
00:42:35
of like our sort of celebrating that
00:42:39
Bogan part of New New Zealand so yeah
00:42:43
and also we freaking loved TV so we just
00:42:46
loved it and we loved New Zealand TV so
00:42:48
it was all a tri you know like I was
00:42:49
called my character was Danny Parker
00:42:51
that was named after you know Steve
00:42:52
Parker and Danny Morrison you know so
00:42:55
not Danny Morrison Danny Watson
00:42:58
yeah yeah I want to ask about that yes
00:43:00
so you you're like a presenter of this
00:43:02
TV show back of the Y Master television
00:43:04
but it's and it's it's m with a fake
00:43:05
mustache you're calling yourself Danny
00:43:07
Parker then you this rockar with Deja
00:43:09
Voodoo and you're kind of like doing
00:43:11
almost like a parody of what a rockstar
00:43:13
should be did you was was that an
00:43:15
impostor syndrome thing like hiding
00:43:16
almost hiding behind these personas I
00:43:18
was listening to someone that were
00:43:19
saying the other day can you sing
00:43:20
completely without irony you know and if
00:43:23
you can then that's awesome cuz for the
00:43:24
longest time I thought you know uh being
00:43:26
genuine Sincere was there was something
00:43:28
wrong with it but actually sincerity is
00:43:30
the hardest thing to find and you know
00:43:33
because of the like vulnerability yeah
00:43:35
and it's like like writing this book I'm
00:43:36
very sincere in it and I just would not
00:43:38
have been able to do that and so I think
00:43:39
you're 100% right I think it was all
00:43:41
hiding from who I was and and entirely
00:43:46
trying to recreating myself as a totally
00:43:48
different person like moved to Oakland
00:43:50
and and was just a totally freaking
00:43:53
different person and lying basically
00:43:56
like lying about I was and who who what
00:43:59
my history was and and everything so I
00:44:02
must have been ashamed of it for some
00:44:03
reason maybe it's a a comfort thing it
00:44:05
just T takes a certain while to to grow
00:44:08
onto yourself and to grow on your own I
00:44:10
feel you're very comfortable with who
00:44:11
you are now yeah I am but I I think so
00:44:13
you know we all have our moments but
00:44:14
like I think also like comedy music is a
00:44:17
real copout and and because you can
00:44:20
easily say it's like the kid that
00:44:22
doesn't try try and goes I I didn't try
00:44:24
anyway and you know loses but they
00:44:26
didn't try anyway it's kind of that kind
00:44:27
of thing it's like oh we're just a silly
00:44:29
band we're not a real band but if you
00:44:30
actually write a real song with real
00:44:33
emotions where you actually touch people
00:44:36
emotionally that's freaking something
00:44:39
you know singing I will give you one of
00:44:40
my beers but I've only got six it's a
00:44:42
great line it's so good and then um oh
00:44:45
not much this the song Feelings let's
00:44:47
talk let's talk about feelings feeling
00:44:49
your tits feeling your ass feeling your
00:44:51
tongue in my duck feeling your lips all
00:44:53
covered in jazz yeah it's not a 2024
00:44:55
song that one
00:44:57
it's it's brilliant though like it's
00:44:59
it's outrageous but that was almost like
00:45:02
cuz that song starts with me with this
00:45:03
core progression I'd come up with that
00:45:05
was just I really liked it and I was
00:45:07
going feelings feelings feelings We Like
00:45:11
a Beach Boys Harmony and all this kind
00:45:12
of stuff it was good and then Jerry I
00:45:14
mean not Jerry geez Jeremy's who I work
00:45:16
with now Chris he was like you know the
00:45:18
Muppets when it goes you
00:45:20
know and that guy comes in goes so what
00:45:23
if I you you're singing a song that's
00:45:26
really lovely
00:45:27
and and then I just come in and freaking
00:45:29
destroy it like so you're singing about
00:45:31
feelings and then then the other member
00:45:33
of the band is just a piece of [ __ ] got
00:45:35
the the feeling your feeling your ass
00:45:38
feelings feelings let's talk about
00:45:39
feelings go feeling your ass and like so
00:45:42
so that the nice guys walks back in the
00:45:45
video and looks around and goes what the
00:45:46
[ __ ] happened to my song that that was
00:45:48
the gay it's it's bloody great and what
00:45:50
about the P song I smoked pee and I'm
00:45:52
okay what's the big story with cuz i'
00:45:54
we've been shooting a show in in the UK
00:45:56
and um was that balls of steel uh that
00:45:58
was before B balls of steel that was
00:46:00
stuff we were doing some stuff for MTV
00:46:01
over there and we were flying back to
00:46:04
New Zealand and I hadn't heard of P I'd
00:46:06
been in the UK for a while and I and I
00:46:08
got heral and I was talking about p and
00:46:10
dog attacks and I didn't know what P was
00:46:12
I was quite confused and so I was
00:46:14
reading about it and then um then I read
00:46:16
that you smoke it and I was just
00:46:18
thinking uh it's probably not that bad
00:46:20
so I just sort of wrote the song on the
00:46:21
plane I smoke pee and I'm all right got
00:46:24
on the pee stayed up all night and I
00:46:27
didn't really realize and then we then
00:46:29
we we came back and recorded that
00:46:31
album and um and then eating me lunch
00:46:34
jumped on it cuz I was friends with jery
00:46:35
at the time and he was like hey let's
00:46:37
we'll pay for a video for it we we'll
00:46:38
get on there and and then at that time I
00:46:41
was talking to my aunti who's a
00:46:43
psychiatrist and she was working with PE
00:46:45
you know people that are addicted to
00:46:46
meth at um at um at you know M Eden
00:46:51
prison I was like oh that's a bit more
00:46:55
serious there's a little Joker and then
00:46:57
then over the years over the years I've
00:46:59
seen what it's done to our country and
00:47:01
I'm like Oh my little joke on the plane
00:47:03
back from England was but but the point
00:47:06
of it the song's actually a little bit
00:47:08
sounds like a lame justification but the
00:47:10
the the the song's a bit more meaningful
00:47:12
than that it's like talking about you
00:47:13
know we're all going to die um and and
00:47:16
kind of me and Chris were talking about
00:47:19
how media promotes something so the
00:47:21
biggest promoter of P was the media
00:47:23
because it was the outrage and the and
00:47:24
the and the terror of it and it was
00:47:26
happening they gave it a name that no
00:47:27
one had ever called it anywhere in the
00:47:28
world before it was called P now and and
00:47:31
um and so that's got all these kind of
00:47:33
slightly political lines in it that go
00:47:35
you know the papers wouldn't lie we're
00:47:36
all going to die you know um but I was
00:47:38
really happy with the video to that
00:47:40
because it starts off with graham Hill
00:47:42
smoking a pea pipe in front of the in
00:47:45
front of a fire and a dressing gown like
00:47:48
an old man like an old school pipe yeah
00:47:51
like an old school pipe but it's a pea
00:47:52
pipe and he's just like was the idea of
00:47:54
this kind of um you know like gentleman
00:47:57
like smoking this PE but yeah so were
00:48:00
you guys like trying to shock people at
00:48:02
was it a shock thing that one that one
00:48:03
cuz I ended up on Sun Sunday being
00:48:05
interviewed for and they said you're the
00:48:06
face of p in New Zealand aren't you and
00:48:07
I was like ah what about anony Dixon
00:48:11
yeah that's right yeah well um yeah he
00:48:14
get he gets a reference on the song
00:48:15
There the line there about I didn't chop
00:48:16
anyone's hands off I didn't cut anyone's
00:48:18
hands off so I think that was the
00:48:19
Tipping Point for p yeah this guy
00:48:21
Anthony Dixon yeah had he was was had a
00:48:23
psychotic episode after three days on P
00:48:26
yeah I think he did he did he kill one
00:48:27
of his exgfs he cut some hands off yeah
00:48:29
it was pretty freaking Grim yeah it was
00:48:31
um but yeah no I think actually cuz when
00:48:34
we actually recorded that song it was a
00:48:35
few years after we wrote it or a year or
00:48:38
so 18 months so things had really
00:48:40
changed so we added that line and then a
00:48:43
a few few things to it but um yeah I I I
00:48:47
wasn't the
00:48:48
face was going full on being on one TV 1
00:48:52
big Prime Time television then then when
00:48:55
it went out phones ringing everyone's
00:48:57
going you know family members Lan's
00:48:58
family members are ringing up going what
00:49:00
the you know yeah how how was that at
00:49:02
the time did you sort of En enjoy the
00:49:05
notoriety at the time or were you like
00:49:06
[ __ ] I was anything for a gag you know
00:49:08
like so so anything for a gag even
00:49:10
though I said we tried to put a bit of
00:49:11
message in it it did come from the point
00:49:13
of view of they're promoting this but
00:49:15
they're judging it you know you know
00:49:16
they they're judging it but at the same
00:49:18
time they're elevating it you know which
00:49:19
I mean it's always the um way media has
00:49:21
to go doesn't it um well always shreds
00:49:24
that line
00:49:25
um so I wasn't really by the time it was
00:49:29
really blowing up and you know we were
00:49:32
be on tour and then then people were
00:49:33
just trying to give me you know grab me
00:49:36
for a freaking grab me with a light bulb
00:49:39
and go around the
00:49:41
corner smoke PE right yeah yeah yeah so
00:49:44
people were bringing pee to wear gigs
00:49:45
because they to to cheer with me and I'm
00:49:47
like oh [ __ ] this is a freaking joke and
00:49:49
those people are freaking you know
00:49:50
there's some freaking terrifying people
00:49:52
I mean I I remember there's one in in
00:49:54
Vago where we were playing show gagle
00:49:57
and it's it's crazy and like the lights
00:50:00
just got pulled down on someone's head
00:50:01
and their head was open I was
00:50:03
going and you could just it was like
00:50:05
myth zombies in the front row and I was
00:50:08
like felt as it was a joke just sort of
00:50:11
like a RI side on on New Zealand
00:50:15
s what have I done yeah um did did you
00:50:18
did you ever did you ever or would you
00:50:20
ever consider doing like some some
00:50:22
proper music um yeah I mean I do do you
00:50:25
do you write and perform at home for fun
00:50:27
just for yourself I'm always writing
00:50:29
songs and playing my guitar and God I'm
00:50:31
such a much better guitarist than I ever
00:50:32
was when I was playing it's kind of guts
00:50:35
me but musically the deja Voodoo stuff
00:50:37
it's real good right uh yeah it has its
00:50:40
moments you know we had better musicians
00:50:42
in the band than me later on like um Sky
00:50:45
the general that joined Gerald Stewart
00:50:46
who was a really really good guitarist
00:50:49
and um and that really helped so the
00:50:50
ideas we had could come into fruition
00:50:52
and stuff but you know I listen to it
00:50:53
now and huge fan of Rick bi you follow
00:50:55
Rick bi no who's that oh he's a YouTuber
00:50:58
um you know music analyst and um and you
00:51:01
know I know so much more about music
00:51:03
theory now and you know the algorithm on
00:51:05
YouTube is complet you know how it finds
00:51:07
you mine is just music theory I just get
00:51:10
punished constantly With You music
00:51:12
analysis and so now I'm going what
00:51:15
listen to those songs go why don't we
00:51:16
like as I saying why don't we change at
00:51:19
the end it would be such an easy win on
00:51:21
the course if we change K and you know
00:51:23
why don't we why don't we do like a at
00:51:26
least a three Harmony in one of the
00:51:27
choruses all of the choruses is
00:51:29
ridiculous and and um was it about this
00:51:32
time that you did um the devil Des me
00:51:33
too yeah so the devil Dey 2 was 2007
00:51:36
came out that was about the time year
00:51:38
because we came back from England to do
00:51:40
that after balls of steel we did balls
00:51:41
of steel for Channel 4 in the UK um so
00:51:44
balls of steel so so back of the Y
00:51:47
Masterpiece television balls of steel
00:51:48
was basically just like a condensed
00:51:50
version of that there's a bunch of like
00:51:52
various s of sketches on the show you we
00:51:54
the sketches a big show though right Big
00:51:56
Show but like it totally didn't make any
00:51:58
sense right so our show was stunts shot
00:52:02
with handic cams on BMXs right and then
00:52:06
they look pretty violent people were
00:52:07
getting pretty hurt I mean we did some
00:52:08
pretty freaking crazy stuff I mean I've
00:52:11
got massive scars when my bones came out
00:52:13
lost my teeth and all that kind of stuff
00:52:15
doing the show so they're quite full on
00:52:16
right um when they're shot on a handic
00:52:18
cam and it's small and it's being silly
00:52:20
so then we get this this show in the UK
00:52:23
and they fly us over there and we're
00:52:24
shooting in romley bybo studios huge
00:52:27
Studio it's the same Studio they shoot
00:52:29
like at lunchtimes we were going out and
00:52:30
the Mighty B was shooting there so I
00:52:32
actually thought the Mighty B was a kids
00:52:34
show because all the props and it was
00:52:36
the same thing they shot that movie
00:52:37
Sunshine so it was a huge film studio
00:52:39
they had like huge Towers like 10 camera
00:52:42
people anything we wanted and then it's
00:52:44
us in our stupid costumes with our
00:52:46
little mustaches doing our little BMX
00:52:47
bike jumps it just didn't make any sense
00:52:50
cuz you watch that you go there's so
00:52:51
much money being spent on this why don't
00:52:53
you freaking jump the Grand Canyon your
00:52:54
Muppets why don't you you know what I
00:52:55
mean it doesn't it didn't really work it
00:52:58
didn't really upscale like that it had
00:53:00
to be silly you know what I mean there
00:53:02
was part of the the appeal of it though
00:53:03
wasn't it well I think the P needed to
00:53:05
be shot terribly and needed to be small
00:53:08
so it's it was more more impactive and
00:53:11
more silly you know it was more um
00:53:13
amateur it work better amateur when it's
00:53:15
professional I think this happens to a
00:53:17
lot of people if your stick stick as
00:53:19
amateur and you go professional you
00:53:22
you're you're really showing up and I I
00:53:24
reckon what we did and we were really
00:53:25
showing up in the UK cuz all our stick
00:53:28
was being small and silly and and you
00:53:31
know when you've got you know stunt I
00:53:34
mean and and I I wrote about in that
00:53:35
book when I was on fire as an ape in in
00:53:38
one of the chapters I was dressed as an
00:53:40
ape and and the the bike landed on me
00:53:42
and I was on fire and everything went
00:53:45
wrong but there was stunt coordinators
00:53:47
there was proper stunt coordinators and
00:53:49
stuff but and I was pretending to be a
00:53:50
stunt coordinator but some was they were
00:53:53
offering 15 they were going to pay this
00:53:55
is what happened they were going to pay
00:53:56
a stunt man um 2,000 to be in the to be
00:54:00
the monkey and I was like [ __ ] that I'll
00:54:02
be the monkey I'll but play two roles so
00:54:04
I play the stunt coordinator and then
00:54:05
and the joke is that the monkey's not
00:54:07
angry enough so he gets set on fire to
00:54:10
make him angry in the cage and I get
00:54:11
stuck in the cage and I can't get out
00:54:14
and I'm running around and then I'm
00:54:15
running towards this this studio
00:54:17
audience on fire there's a big studio
00:54:19
audience and then and and but the our
00:54:22
dumb jokes are still going on like the
00:54:24
the other actors are kicking me and
00:54:26
stuff and but but my um masks gone
00:54:28
around that way I can't see where I'm
00:54:30
going um and I'm really on fire but I'm
00:54:33
mainly thinking about missing my
00:54:34
girlfriend because I was being something
00:54:36
happening in my life and then and um and
00:54:39
it's like so was very full- on for me
00:54:41
and then you watch it on when it was
00:54:43
played out on Channel 4 I like that
00:54:44
looks freaking stupid there a guy going
00:54:48
it a major moment for me and and and all
00:54:51
it was was going in a monkey suit that's
00:54:53
massively on fire but if you'd had like
00:54:55
a handy Cam and you know it's dangerous
00:54:56
and you know we're doing it and
00:54:58
illegally you know it's just on the
00:55:00
street and not in a studio you know what
00:55:01
I mean it's sort of a lot of D loss
00:55:04
because you can see anyone on fire in a
00:55:06
movie you know that happens all the time
00:55:08
so it was too elevated to make the gags
00:55:10
work if you know what I
00:55:12
mean yeah that could be once again me
00:55:14
doing that thing I said before I always
00:55:15
think everything we do is [ __ ] yeah yeah
00:55:18
yeah I wonder if you're overthinking it
00:55:19
because um like it was it was really
00:55:21
good and really successful and and you
00:55:23
look at it now and it's um it's most
00:55:26
people probably won't even remember it
00:55:28
that people that do remember like back
00:55:29
of the y or the devil dead to may
00:55:31
remember how it made them feel at the
00:55:32
time but they won't necessarily remember
00:55:33
it I watched um the movie The Devil gave
00:55:36
me to just the other day it's on Amazon
00:55:37
Prime right it's really good is it it's
00:55:40
really good yeah um heavy signage with
00:55:42
um V The Rock and C4 yeah um that was
00:55:47
that was my whole thing back in the day
00:55:48
was selling like getting everything paid
00:55:51
for to try and and and the devil dare me
00:55:53
to you know we got money from um you
00:55:55
know from the fil commission as well but
00:55:57
we freaking sailed it up the Wazoo to
00:55:59
get the budget up and as a result we you
00:56:01
know paid out profit points and it made
00:56:02
money you know how how much how much how
00:56:04
much funding did you get like how much
00:56:06
does it cost to make a movie well back
00:56:07
then because this was right on the cusp
00:56:08
of digital and so it was shot on digital
00:56:11
part of the reason part of the meaning
00:56:13
part of the funding um that an tson
00:56:15
worked out who's you know a great man
00:56:17
and and and with along with some other
00:56:19
people um was it it had to be an example
00:56:21
of a digital film shot in New Zealand
00:56:22
like the first time that shot a feature
00:56:24
film but not on film
00:56:26
and and so we shot it like that and so
00:56:29
the budget at that point was I think we
00:56:31
got 400,000 from to shoot that part but
00:56:34
then we you know sold it up the wazu and
00:56:36
got up to us more budget but then it
00:56:39
cost another 500,000 to turn it from
00:56:42
digital to film cuz it still had to be
00:56:44
in film to go into the theaters in 2007
00:56:47
so more of the budget was spent on
00:56:49
transferring it from digital to film
00:56:50
than it was on actually shooting the
00:56:52
movie which was you know when we were
00:56:53
doing that at the time I was like um
00:56:57
you know we could have really done with
00:56:59
this this money and then and that would
00:57:01
seem that was right on the cusp so it
00:57:03
would seem ridiculous now when when when
00:57:05
did you last see it um I tried to watch
00:57:09
a little bit recently because you know
00:57:12
in the book on the on on the on the you
00:57:15
know chapter on
00:57:16
dissatisfaction I'm talking about how
00:57:18
you know we were we were screening
00:57:20
screening in Germany Germany Germany and
00:57:22
col and we're like um and uh cuz we
00:57:24
traveled the world with it and we do Q&A
00:57:26
before and no we we introduce it before
00:57:28
and do a Q&A afterwards and so we're in
00:57:30
a PE theater uh theater in colon and um
00:57:35
and uh I start boing the film I was just
00:57:38
so sick of seeing it we've been
00:57:39
traveling around the world watching it
00:57:41
and I was like it's not it wasn't what I
00:57:42
wanted it to be so I started going this
00:57:44
is [ __ ] and we got asked to leave and
00:57:46
then but the security was dragging us
00:57:48
out and then then the organizer of the
00:57:49
festival that these German people that
00:57:51
are driving us around CU we were all
00:57:53
over Germany well that it did quite well
00:57:55
in Germany and um they were like you
00:57:57
can't throw these guys out this is these
00:57:59
are the stars of the FM the director and
00:58:01
the producer like they have to stay in
00:58:03
here and they're like well can you stop
00:58:05
abusing the film like no we will not I
00:58:10
yeah cuz I read that patter in the book
00:58:11
and I thought knowing you reasonably
00:58:12
well I thought oh you were just being
00:58:14
funny you were just trying to get a
00:58:16
laugh we we were you over it by
00:58:20
then guess it probably be 50/50 I
00:58:23
probably we we'll probably me and Chris
00:58:24
will probably trying to get a laugh from
00:58:25
each other but to be fair we were but
00:58:28
also we were disappointed in it so there
00:58:30
was truth in it and not truth in it you
00:58:32
know what I mean and plus there was some
00:58:34
confusion with the alcohol percentage of
00:58:35
the beer we were
00:58:37
drinking those be very strong I think we
00:58:40
thought we were drinking you know like
00:58:42
four TB exported and we were like so so
00:58:46
there was there was a number of factors
00:58:47
playing into that what were you what
00:58:49
were you disappointed about with the
00:58:51
movie I just don't think it was funny
00:58:53
enough um I don't think the was very
00:58:56
good I didn't really like my performance
00:58:58
in it I thought it was too Grim when it
00:59:00
could have been it should have been yeah
00:59:03
it just felt it had an empty vibe to me
00:59:05
it just wasn't everything it it could
00:59:08
have been and it was a very different
00:59:09
story than what we originally wrote and
00:59:11
it kind of got changed by the film
00:59:12
commission and they made me it didn't
00:59:15
make any sense this is what annoyed me
00:59:16
because they made it that one of us was
00:59:17
older and one of us was younger and
00:59:19
Chris is older than me and so I was the
00:59:20
older person in the film was playing
00:59:23
dick joh hansenon who was the sort of
00:59:25
evil guy in was playing Randy Campbell
00:59:27
like an upcoming stuntman okay basically
00:59:29
you but no one aged me up so I was like
00:59:31
it doesn't make any sense I'm look watch
00:59:32
this film this guy's clearly younger
00:59:33
than that guy and he's supposed to be
00:59:35
the older guy and it's like I know we
00:59:37
were directing it at the time but that
00:59:38
was cuz it was a last minute um script
00:59:40
change it was supposed to be two buddies
00:59:41
that fell out and and because one was
00:59:43
interested in um you know making money
00:59:45
and the other one was stunt man and and
00:59:47
one of them discovered that the other
00:59:48
guy can't die in stunts so he's going to
00:59:50
utilize them as much but as soon as they
00:59:52
made that difference so I just watched
00:59:53
that movie and I'm like going well
00:59:55
that's a huge floor that is a that is a
00:59:57
massive flaw but there's some good lines
00:59:58
in it I thought it was yes it's a great
01:00:00
movie and um some recognizable because I
01:00:03
saw it at the time but I haven't seen it
01:00:04
since but Dominic Bowen's in there Josh
01:00:06
Thompson who's done very well Tyson
01:00:08
Kennedy from the band stereogram and
01:00:10
you're acting um I thought it was really
01:00:12
good like you play a real [ __ ] yeah
01:00:14
yeah yeah yeah there was good for
01:00:16
boating because what happens to me in
01:00:17
prison um is four boed all the way so
01:00:19
every line I say in the movie is about
01:00:21
my ass and then later on when I get sent
01:00:24
to prison it'll come
01:00:26
a lot of dropping the soap I I feel like
01:00:29
you've um you you have this um uncanny
01:00:33
ability to see the the floors and
01:00:35
everything you do uh yeah potentially
01:00:39
although I reckon less so now and and
01:00:42
looking back now it's kind of what I've
01:00:44
been saying and I guess that's kind of
01:00:45
why I wrote the book as well because it
01:00:47
was like you can live a lifeless
01:00:49
punishing just to throw the N of the
01:00:51
book in but like there doesn't need have
01:00:53
to be their punishing like just enjoy it
01:00:55
freaking hell you make a movie with your
01:00:56
mates that's good you've already won you
01:00:59
you know you've already you're already
01:01:00
doing something great whether the movie
01:01:02
turns out exactly like you wanted or not
01:01:04
that's just that's just icing on the
01:01:05
cake the fact that someone was paying
01:01:07
you to spend that much time with your
01:01:09
friends um and to write a story and to
01:01:12
shoot it and and hang out and meet all
01:01:13
the crew that was involved it was just
01:01:15
such a great crew that whole experience
01:01:17
in itself because it took us 18 months
01:01:18
to make that 18 months was a freaking
01:01:20
great 18 months and if the movie had
01:01:22
turned out to be as good as I wanted it
01:01:24
to be then that would have been a bonus
01:01:26
but that that's that's the whole problem
01:01:27
we have we we never do it and like you
01:01:29
know I I do a radio show and I'm really
01:01:32
conscious of that idea of finitude you
01:01:34
know like um the idea that everything
01:01:36
you do you were going to do for the last
01:01:37
time at some point and and then those
01:01:39
things are suddenly in the past and then
01:01:41
you fail to enjoy them so like you talk
01:01:42
about that movie that 18 months at the
01:01:44
time you're working so hard you're
01:01:46
wrecked with goat and you don't even go
01:01:48
this is freaking awesome you know and
01:01:49
you and you got to do that right um 100%
01:01:52
how many people get to make like a a
01:01:53
fulllength motion picture movie they
01:01:55
gets played on the big screen and 20
01:01:57
years 20 years on almost it's um
01:01:59
available on Amazon Prime it's it's
01:02:01
crazy yeah yeah it's crazy and it said
01:02:03
it said that you um have this distorted
01:02:06
view of oh really pisses off a lot of my
01:02:08
friends cuz they're like let's watch
01:02:10
going out
01:02:11
[ __ ] or like we finished the show and
01:02:13
like we've made a TV show and it's going
01:02:14
to year and I say you came to the thing
01:02:16
now nah no I'm done with it I've moved
01:02:19
on to the to to the next thing but it's
01:02:21
but it's a failing that I've that I
01:02:22
think I've I've worked out cuz it's such
01:02:24
a cuz like for everyone it's the I think
01:02:27
it's the true for everyone right like I
01:02:30
mean things are always going to get
01:02:32
worse you know that's just that's just
01:02:34
the nature of the universe so it's so
01:02:37
stupid to not enjoy the good times cuz
01:02:39
you're going to you know yeah yeah
01:02:41
that's the thing thing about happiness a
01:02:43
like it has to be here and now it can't
01:02:44
be something you're chasing because
01:02:45
you're never going to find it but is
01:02:46
that what happened with the book because
01:02:48
this book was supposed to come out like
01:02:49
a year ago or months ago and um then you
01:02:52
you told the Publishers you needed more
01:02:54
time was that the same sort of thing
01:02:55
like a yeah perfectionism complex oh
01:02:58
maybe um cuz yeah I was on that show
01:03:01
traitors when I would first finish
01:03:03
writing it which was about a year ago um
01:03:07
and so I was locked in my room because
01:03:09
it was like one of those shows where
01:03:10
people get eliminated or whatever um
01:03:13
it's good fun actually um but uh so I
01:03:16
was writing it then but then I was
01:03:17
reading it in my room and and and I was
01:03:20
like uh this is [ __ ] so I rewrote
01:03:22
rewrote it because I was trying to what
01:03:24
what it was is that thing we were
01:03:24
talking about before I was it was all
01:03:26
irony and it was all um it wasn't
01:03:28
sincere so so and and I talked to the
01:03:31
Publishers and I said and they were like
01:03:33
yeah you got to find your voice I think
01:03:34
they said Voice or yeah they said voice
01:03:37
you got to find your voice and I was
01:03:38
like that's true cuz you can't
01:03:39
just becomes like a silly kind of parody
01:03:42
kind of thing unless you like what's the
01:03:44
point of writing a book like this about
01:03:45
making you know enjoying the life you've
01:03:47
got if you don't actually write about
01:03:49
that if you're not just blasting on
01:03:51
about um being a deck if being a deck
01:03:54
all the way through it it's kind of
01:03:55
pointless
01:03:56
yeah are you are you quite good now at
01:03:59
um like showing a bit of vulnerability
01:04:02
yeah being authentic I think so yeah
01:04:04
yeah a lot better and God life so much
01:04:06
better if you if you do that and you
01:04:09
know that in broadcasting like so you
01:04:10
know you you broadcast for a very long
01:04:12
time and you know lots of great jokes
01:04:14
but the bits that people remember is the
01:04:15
bit where you drop the facade and you're
01:04:18
actually really say something and you're
01:04:20
really meaningful you're human for a
01:04:23
second and they go oh yeah and you can't
01:04:24
be that all the time it's a different
01:04:26
type of show you know um but yeah you
01:04:30
still need the lws yeah yeah you still
01:04:32
need the lws um but but people people of
01:04:36
course they do because people because
01:04:38
humans we all kind of share a really
01:04:40
similar experience I think we're not as
01:04:42
different as we think we are we're all
01:04:44
kind of no matter what everyone's doing
01:04:46
in life we're kind of sharing the same
01:04:49
thing and there's actually a bit that I
01:04:51
I was reading about a lot which I
01:04:52
thought was really interesting is the
01:04:53
idea that you know we're were evolved to
01:04:57
be dissatisfied because the guy that was
01:04:59
satisfied sitting on the Savanah and
01:05:01
this um Professor interviewed for the
01:05:02
books I I I interviewed a whole lot of
01:05:04
people from around the world that I
01:05:05
thought were great thinkers this guy
01:05:06
called William B Irvine and he said you
01:05:08
know the guy that sat on the savan and
01:05:10
went sweet as you know was immediately
01:05:13
eaten by a lion and the guy that sat
01:05:15
there and goes the View's good but maybe
01:05:17
I should climb a tree or maybe I should
01:05:19
build some walls or actually this place
01:05:20
isn't that good and started doing
01:05:22
something else that was the person that
01:05:23
survived so we are evolved from these
01:05:25
people that were never satisfied because
01:05:27
satisfaction was death and so I think we
01:05:30
just got to realize that that no matter
01:05:31
how good things get um or and arguably
01:05:35
sometimes how bad things are we're all
01:05:36
equ we've got equal levels of
01:05:39
dissatisfaction so that thing that
01:05:40
you're chasing you get there and you're
01:05:42
immediately just as dissatisfied as you
01:05:44
were before because that's not you know
01:05:46
that that's just you're not going to
01:05:48
solve your dissatisfaction yeah you
01:05:50
definitely find that with material
01:05:51
possessions he like I I learned that the
01:05:54
hard way like I filled my last house oh
01:05:56
you know that we had many parties at the
01:05:58
house did you and you have a spar pole
01:06:00
and you have a heated pool and and then
01:06:03
you realize that none of the stuff's
01:06:04
bringing me more than like a temporary
01:06:06
like dopamine fix and that's it yeah and
01:06:07
you had that Corridor with all the doors
01:06:09
and it was like there was so many doors
01:06:11
down that Corridor and you were like um
01:06:13
which which door m in tonight with which
01:06:16
random stranger it was like a Scooby-Doo
01:06:19
situation with opening doors and running
01:06:20
around but yeah but yeah what what's
01:06:22
that I wrote a bit about that is that
01:06:24
concept of hom onic adaption where you
01:06:27
you whatever you got you adapt
01:06:29
immediately to it it's like whatever
01:06:31
luxury you have is not a luxury for long
01:06:33
then it's then it's just the base level
01:06:35
and then you can't live without of it
01:06:37
you get no joy from it you know what I
01:06:38
mean yeah so true is that why um I read
01:06:40
you you've become like a cold shower guy
01:06:42
is this this in the book yeah you do
01:06:44
three minute cold showers how long have
01:06:45
you been doing that I've been doing that
01:06:47
um for ages now yeah I mean it's just
01:06:51
that basic thing uh uh you know that um
01:06:54
you know our Pleasure and Pain centers
01:06:56
are collocated and in our brains so if
01:06:59
you do something really you know and you
01:07:01
know we're um beings that are evolve for
01:07:04
scarcity in a in a time of abundance so
01:07:06
we're just constantly hitting the the
01:07:09
the the joyful part you know the the the
01:07:12
luxury part of our brains the pleasure
01:07:14
goes and the and the way things are it's
01:07:17
homeostasis so our brains always trying
01:07:18
to bring us back to normal and it goes
01:07:22
back to that death satisfaction thing
01:07:23
because we can't be satisfied or all get
01:07:25
killed by a lion so whenever you do
01:07:28
something really really pleasurable
01:07:29
there's an equal and opposite uh
01:07:31
reaction in the um in that part of the
01:07:34
brain the vendil Paladin um and um and
01:07:38
so a cold shower that's just that's just
01:07:40
starting the day with some pain and so
01:07:43
then your brain gives you some pleasure
01:07:44
it's as simple as that it's like a
01:07:45
seesaw so if you're just pleasure all
01:07:47
the time then the body then the brain is
01:07:50
just constantly going pain pain pain
01:07:51
pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain
01:07:53
to to to bring you back to the middle so
01:07:56
that's where pleasure ends in pain so um
01:07:58
when you that's one of the lessons that
01:07:59
I learned was so good and so cold
01:08:02
showers cold plunges and it's you sound
01:08:04
like a Wonder going on about it CU
01:08:06
everyone does do you do you you found
01:08:08
like like a poor man's art green yeah
01:08:11
yeah exactly exactly but it's so
01:08:14
freaking true yeah it's it's great I I
01:08:16
couldn't agree but a run a run is the
01:08:17
same or or exercise or yoga or anything
01:08:21
is the same or just doing something hard
01:08:23
like you feel better after like if you
01:08:25
if you're a builder then you do a hard
01:08:27
day's work and you feel a lot better
01:08:28
when you come home after Hard Day's Work
01:08:30
and that's why you know work from home
01:08:31
people that do nothing all day um not
01:08:33
all of them but a lot of them they they
01:08:35
spiral into depression because
01:08:36
everything's comfortable for them even
01:08:38
they don't even have the commute commute
01:08:39
to deal with so you have to do hard
01:08:41
things to to to um offset the in
01:08:45
inevitable amount of pleasurable things
01:08:46
we do right now yeah cuz there's no
01:08:48
there's no sort of discomfort anymore is
01:08:50
there life life has become so
01:08:52
comfortable in the cold shower thing I I
01:08:54
bloody love that
01:08:56
um you're foring to do something that
01:08:58
you with every fi of your being you
01:09:00
don't want to do and that's a victory as
01:09:01
well in the morning as well like if I'm
01:09:03
in the shower and I
01:09:05
go it's like you've had a win cuz you've
01:09:08
you've doused yourself in cold water and
01:09:11
sometimes I just forget and I'm heading
01:09:13
off to work and you know I start work
01:09:14
really early on the breakfast show and
01:09:16
it's like I'll be leaving the door I'm
01:09:17
like I [ __ ] had a hot shower and then
01:09:20
and I was like that was stupid cuz now I
01:09:22
feel weird but I mean you could the the
01:09:25
The Logical conclusion that you could
01:09:27
come to is that you should then punch
01:09:28
yourself in the face so you get
01:09:29
something something painful but that's
01:09:33
kind of productive but it would work but
01:09:35
you can only punch yourself in the face
01:09:37
so many times yeah yeah um oh yeah you
01:09:39
brought up the radio thing we haven't
01:09:40
even got into your radio career yet so
01:09:42
so how did that start so you had all the
01:09:44
TV and the deja voodo stuff then you
01:09:46
started on bfm which is the student
01:09:48
radio station in Oakland yeah so um I
01:09:51
started actually I was at Edgefest this
01:09:53
is coincidence actually I was at
01:09:54
Edgefest and that before the fight alen
01:09:57
an farm and I got a ring up in a ring up
01:10:00
a phone call it's so long since phone
01:10:02
calls are
01:10:03
so ancient now I don't know what to call
01:10:05
them um I got a phone call when it was
01:10:07
like um on the landline at the
01:10:09
venue Mr Heath you know um and someone
01:10:13
said you want to do the drive show on
01:10:14
bfm and I was like yeah on a Thursday
01:10:17
and I was like I've never done any radio
01:10:19
before but yep that'd be cool and so me
01:10:21
and Chris started doing that um and you
01:10:24
love at one point they say can you
01:10:26
shorten your breaks a bit I mean I think
01:10:28
if you keep them to 15 minute breaks
01:10:30
that would be good between songs how
01:10:32
long were your breaks freaking long cuz
01:10:35
I didn't know that people didn't want to
01:10:36
hear you talk and now like you know on
01:10:37
Commercial radio we got a clock on the
01:10:39
wall over 3 minutes 30 and you know it's
01:10:42
a problem siren stuck going yeah you get
01:10:45
you get matched from the building
01:10:48
um yeah so they they offered me that and
01:10:50
then we started doing that and then
01:10:51
after a while and that was a pretty that
01:10:54
was fun and then then they just offered
01:10:55
me the breakfast show and then I did
01:10:57
that for like 5 months and then I on bfm
01:11:00
yeah and the with with oh just yourself
01:11:02
just me on the breakfast show um and
01:11:05
then what a great training ground what a
01:11:06
great opportunity yeah yeah yeah CU I
01:11:08
said something horrific on the air like
01:11:10
a week out before that happened anyway
01:11:13
doesn't matter um oh no what was it can
01:11:15
you remember or uh kind of um probably
01:11:19
probably won't say it that this for him
01:11:22
but um anyway I ended up doing the
01:11:23
breckfast show by myself um he got the
01:11:26
pup but I don't know they it doesn't
01:11:28
matter but anyway and I wasn't on for
01:11:29
very long I was on for 5 months and then
01:11:31
I got a ring from rid um Mike Regal
01:11:34
great New Zealander and he rang up and
01:11:35
said um you want to do the drive show
01:11:38
because what had happened to Ian Stables
01:11:41
oh that's right yeah Ian staes who I
01:11:43
worked at the edge uh yeah we were
01:11:45
friends for for a number of years and
01:11:46
then he he was going to do the drive
01:11:48
show and then I think he had a a fight
01:11:49
with someone at the jet star chicken
01:11:51
counter yeah so he was flying up to do
01:11:53
the drive show on radio haki and he um
01:11:56
he got into a fist fight at the airport
01:11:58
with you know yeah the guy someone at
01:11:59
the counter yeah and was on CCTV footage
01:12:01
and there was I don't know if this is
01:12:03
true there was some talk of some racial
01:12:05
content in and I don't know I would hate
01:12:07
to speak there was no audio to go with
01:12:09
the pictures yeah but there there were
01:12:10
accusations and it it takes quite a lot
01:12:13
to get a to get a guy out from behind
01:12:17
the ticketing countdown I mean have you
01:12:19
ever seen anyone climb over and come at
01:12:21
you I mean what do you have to do no
01:12:22
I've seen I've seen a lot of carens at
01:12:24
the airport too but I've never seen
01:12:26
someone leave their
01:12:28
post so someone left their post and beat
01:12:31
the [ __ ] out of him on the for court uh
01:12:35
of the at the airport of a jet star
01:12:36
terminal and um my God I forgot all
01:12:38
about that yeah and so he got his
01:12:41
contract terminated before he even did
01:12:43
his first show and so they were like we
01:12:45
need a drive show host and then they
01:12:46
were just flicking through the channels
01:12:47
and they heard me on bfm which is
01:12:50
amazing cuz how far I was from
01:12:51
commercial radio and they said you want
01:12:52
to do that and I said no
01:12:56
cuz I was terrified I was like I
01:12:56
couldn't do commercial radio like as you
01:12:58
know like if you have cuz I was a TV
01:13:00
producer at the time like working for
01:13:02
Great Southern television doing this
01:13:04
sort of radio show but commercial radio
01:13:06
seems very complicated from the outside
01:13:08
and it is pretty complicated um and so I
01:13:12
was like H and then they show me how
01:13:13
much you get paid and I was like okay
01:13:15
well maybe then I'll come in and then um
01:13:18
and then did the first show I remember
01:13:20
walking to to the first show Drive show
01:13:22
the May Heath Drive show on radioi and I
01:13:23
was like never been more terrified in my
01:13:25
entire life never like impostor syndrome
01:13:28
like cuz it was legitimate imp imposter
01:13:31
syndrome I couldn't do the job I'd
01:13:32
signed up to do like I had never done it
01:13:35
commercial radio oh so you were you sort
01:13:37
of on on the air like doing what you
01:13:39
your best Act of what you thought a
01:13:41
commercial radio announcer should be no
01:13:44
no this is before I even got there so
01:13:45
I'm working walking down there and I've
01:13:47
sort of been quite clear that I I'm not
01:13:49
qualifi for the job but they they've
01:13:50
thought I am and then I was walking to
01:13:53
the to work and um
01:13:56
and I wed past the bottle store and I
01:13:58
went okay I'm just going to have to get
01:13:59
drunk to do this and so so I went in and
01:14:02
and a bottle I bought Little Hippie and
01:14:04
I was just about to drink it and I just
01:14:06
had this moment I go if I drink this now
01:14:08
then I'll have to be drunk for every
01:14:11
single one of these shows that I ever do
01:14:12
and if this becomes a career I'll become
01:14:13
an alcholic so I like put the lid on it
01:14:15
and throw it in the rubbish and I went
01:14:17
no I'm going to I'm going to face this
01:14:18
you know and and went in and did the
01:14:20
first show and um I was lucky out a pure
01:14:23
luck teamed up with this guy called Tim
01:14:24
bat who um is a friend to this day and
01:14:26
he was just this young dude that was
01:14:27
just kickass and so we became really
01:14:29
good friends and we did the first show
01:14:32
and and um I was like wow that was
01:14:34
pretty good and then we got this call
01:14:36
immediately and the guy goes I'm going
01:14:37
to [ __ ] kill you you've ruined radio H
01:14:40
I'm going to freaking kill you I'm
01:14:42
waiting in the car by freaking I'm going
01:14:43
to [ __ ] kill you and I was like oh
01:14:45
okay it didn't go quite as well as as I
01:14:48
thought um but why why was someone so
01:14:51
outraged uh there's a certain type of
01:14:54
radio listening to this day that that
01:14:56
runs a certain amount of Rage it might
01:14:57
have been the myth amphetamine thing who
01:14:59
knows but actually we got to know that
01:15:01
guy we called him death threat Dave and
01:15:02
so I thought we'll face us head on so we
01:15:04
rang we got us number CU it come up and
01:15:06
then we rang him the next show and said
01:15:08
hey you still want to kill
01:15:10
me then about four days in he was like
01:15:12
I'm actually coming around to the show
01:15:14
actually I quite like it now um how how
01:15:16
long was it before you you felt
01:15:18
comfortable faking years
01:15:21
comfortable yeah so I think that was
01:15:23
about the time where we met we doing
01:15:25
afternoons on radioi yeah yeah um yeah I
01:15:28
mean comfortable I guess yeah I mean you
01:15:31
do thousands of shows I mean I'm pretty
01:15:33
freaking comfortable now doing it but it
01:15:35
took me a while um to to feel awesome
01:15:39
doing it um and you do you know you know
01:15:41
what it's like you have good and bad
01:15:42
shows to this day like today we had a
01:15:44
freaking great show on the m and jury RF
01:15:46
show that was wicked um and then might
01:15:49
have a crappy one tomorrow but you know
01:15:51
they're all pretty they're actually all
01:15:52
really good now like yeah you you're
01:15:55
your low Benchmark becomes like a seven
01:15:56
out of 10 but I reckon maybe there's no
01:15:58
coincidence that you're into running
01:15:59
because once you finish a breakfast show
01:16:01
you have this weird energy because you
01:16:04
have put so much into it and you're sort
01:16:05
of up and you're saying all these things
01:16:07
and there's all this energy it's live
01:16:09
and it's coming back and then you stop
01:16:11
and you go to the office and people are
01:16:12
arriving at work and and you're hyped up
01:16:16
and you can get that kind of nervous
01:16:17
energy after that angess so you kind of
01:16:20
have to do something straight after that
01:16:22
or us
01:16:23
it's it's a problem cuz you're not going
01:16:25
to get enough compliments to make you
01:16:26
feel like it was awesome the start a you
01:16:29
know cuz no one was listening to it like
01:16:30
most of the people in the people coming
01:16:32
into to sell things and to do their jobs
01:16:34
and that you know you think that they'll
01:16:36
be totally listening to your show you're
01:16:38
like did you say did you hear did you
01:16:39
hear the bit with
01:16:41
it the B get is great show this morning
01:16:44
without any
01:16:46
specific yeah great show boys great
01:16:49
energy yeah so so how did the
01:16:50
partnership with um you and J yeah you
01:16:53
you've had two really success for
01:16:55
professional partnership so you and
01:16:56
Chris St yeah and now you and Jeremy
01:16:59
Wells both really long-term
01:17:00
relationships yes I'm in Jeremy um with
01:17:02
friends beforehand um just through media
01:17:06
circles yeah yeah and through through
01:17:08
different things and um yeah and then um
01:17:12
we just were at a party once and we said
01:17:14
you know would be freaking cool if we
01:17:15
did a breakfast show together it' be
01:17:16
awesome so we went to to I was doing the
01:17:19
drive show and I just said hey we would
01:17:22
love to do a breakfast show together and
01:17:23
they were like you know jemy was a big
01:17:25
name and they're like um turns out they
01:17:28
already had someone hired to do the
01:17:29
breakfast show we didn't know this um
01:17:32
and then they went okay yeah we'll sign
01:17:33
you guys up to be the breakfast show
01:17:34
there was you know it was more complex
01:17:36
than that but it was quite a good um
01:17:38
proposition to them you know cuz I think
01:17:40
you know it was good to get jery on
01:17:41
there and and um and you know it's been
01:17:44
really good I mean we've been working
01:17:45
together for years and never had an
01:17:47
argument you know yes I was I was going
01:17:49
to ask you that about creative friction
01:17:50
cuz you talked before about um Chris and
01:17:51
you breaking his ribs and you guys
01:17:53
having arguments but you were a lot
01:17:55
younger than you in your 20s you know
01:17:56
you and Jeremy are both in your late 40s
01:17:59
I guess 40s 50s early 50s late 60s yeah
01:18:03
um so yeah so there's never been any
01:18:05
sort of like creative friction or uh no
01:18:08
and it was actually quite an ie open for
01:18:09
me to work with someone cuz I remember
01:18:11
on the first day cuz he'd had
01:18:12
interesting creative relationships as
01:18:14
well and oh yeah he worked with Havoc
01:18:16
for a number yeah Havoc for a long time
01:18:17
so Havoc was his chis and there was you
01:18:19
know that was great and they did amazing
01:18:20
stuff but there was also you know there
01:18:22
was also you know um I guess you'd say
01:18:24
stess issues and from and stuff you know
01:18:27
you know it was interesting and um and
01:18:30
you know he had been working on eating
01:18:31
lunch all that kind of stuff and we just
01:18:32
had a chat before we started and we both
01:18:33
said to each other hey um should we just
01:18:36
accept that each other's ideas are good
01:18:38
and just do them because that's the
01:18:39
thing you know expend some so much time
01:18:42
trying to explain someone's idea to them
01:18:45
to no your idea to someone and they
01:18:47
don't quite get it or they're explaining
01:18:48
their idea to you and you think it's
01:18:50
[ __ ] like you're always pitching it to
01:18:51
each other yeah and and and you think
01:18:53
it's [ __ ] but that's cuz you don't fully
01:18:54
understand and they're not explaining
01:18:55
well and then you do it and it's great
01:18:57
and so we just decided to whatever idea
01:18:59
either of us pitched to each other we
01:19:00
just go we'll do it we'll see what
01:19:01
happens and that's that's what we've
01:19:02
always done so there's never a situation
01:19:04
where we go nah I don't think it's a
01:19:05
good idea which has got us into a
01:19:07
certain amount of trouble over the years
01:19:09
I guess you got to say like trouble with
01:19:12
I mean management or yeah a bit of
01:19:14
trouble with management I mean we had
01:19:16
this idea we had called No Sleep Till
01:19:18
breakfast where we do a breakfast show
01:19:19
and then we'd drink and party all the
01:19:21
way to the other next breakfast show so
01:19:22
people would see what state would appear
01:19:25
on ear and that caused some problems um
01:19:28
with who um you know what it's like on
01:19:31
radio it doesn't really affect us but
01:19:33
there was just someone was having to
01:19:35
deal with problems and there's some
01:19:37
legal problems that we've written things
01:19:38
that we're not allowed to talk about you
01:19:39
know got n disclosures on a few things
01:19:41
and and um I guess you know I listen to
01:19:45
you you know your discussion with um you
01:19:48
know your pod with Simon Bridges there
01:19:50
was one with him where where I asked him
01:19:51
whether he hated the baby when just s
01:19:52
had a baby
01:19:55
and what did he say that's hilarious he
01:19:57
said yeah Pinko little bloody and he
01:20:00
goes typical it's a girl like it's not
01:20:02
it's not like it's not like J C could
01:20:03
have a boy but that wouldn't be right
01:20:05
not and he was joking he was being silly
01:20:07
because you know what he's like in your
01:20:08
environment he was playing to your level
01:20:10
yeah yeah and then you know then somehow
01:20:12
on newshub decided we'd been transphobic
01:20:15
I can't I still can't work out how they
01:20:17
made the oh no no no sorry it wasn't
01:20:19
that we took aim at the rainbow
01:20:20
community and I still can't understand
01:20:22
how they crossed that River but but you
01:20:25
know there things like that I mean like
01:20:26
but but also in commercial radio like
01:20:28
there has to be certain am amount of
01:20:29
those anyway you know yeah one thing one
01:20:32
thing I I love about you you you've had
01:20:34
the odd
01:20:36
controversy yeah we just listening to
01:20:38
you now I think in reflection one thing
01:20:42
I did was to just take it far too
01:20:43
seriously yeah would take every break
01:20:45
seriously and then when you CU I I was a
01:20:48
lifer like I got into radio when I was
01:20:50
17 um I was in you know the age for 20
01:20:53
years and and you end up in this bubble
01:20:56
where you take it really seriously and
01:20:57
you think when the ratings come out
01:20:58
everyone cares about it when you take a
01:21:00
step back you realize no one gives a
01:21:03
[ __ ] yeah no the the only the only
01:21:05
ratings I I don't even know when ratings
01:21:07
day is Le like JJ or you tell me and
01:21:10
then you read what's in the New Zealand
01:21:12
hero well it's funny she mentioned JJ CU
01:21:13
she gave us some advice really early on
01:21:16
and she just said it doesn't really
01:21:18
matter what you're saying as long as it
01:21:19
seems like everyone's having a good time
01:21:20
you've won half the battle like because
01:21:23
if if it sounds like people are having a
01:21:25
bad time then then you know whatever the
01:21:28
content is is not going to be great but
01:21:31
if at the very least if feels like it's
01:21:33
a positive thing and people are having a
01:21:34
good time then you've kind of you've
01:21:36
you've You've Won 50% of it you know
01:21:39
that I didn't learn that lesson for for
01:21:41
a very very long time so like you know
01:21:43
that you say the thing taking a break
01:21:44
too seriously that can kind of sometimes
01:21:46
take away from the very point of it
01:21:47
which is just a couple of some a few
01:21:50
people enjoying themselves and having uh
01:21:52
a good time is kind of I mean like
01:21:54
conversations at pubs aren't necessarily
01:21:56
the greatest thing in the world but like
01:21:57
there if there's a general harm of of
01:22:00
happiness in the year then that's half
01:22:02
the battle of a of a good time yeah and
01:22:04
a disastrous Voice break like come on
01:22:07
come on it's not the end of the world
01:22:09
yeah then it's then it's 28 voice breaks
01:22:11
ago then it's a week ago then it's a
01:22:12
month ago then it's 10 years ago yeah
01:22:14
and and and no one gives a [ __ ] as much
01:22:16
as you do that's another thing you was
01:22:18
asking for about lessons I've learned in
01:22:20
life is no one gives as much of a [ __ ]
01:22:22
about it as you do like your
01:22:23
humiliations and you know what whatever
01:22:26
it's happened how people are think about
01:22:27
it that people don't and then you know
01:22:29
like if you're infinitude the world
01:22:31
doesn't really give that much of a [ __ ]
01:22:33
and then the universe definitely doesn't
01:22:35
give that much of a [ __ ] so I I I I
01:22:37
fully agree like everyone everyone's
01:22:39
kind of self-conscious to a degree and
01:22:40
everyone's wondering what other people
01:22:42
think about them but everyone else is
01:22:44
just thinking the same as you they're
01:22:46
thinking about themselves yeah so and in
01:22:48
terms of being remembered yeah no no
01:22:50
one's going to be remembered like 200
01:22:52
years from now no one's going to know
01:22:53
who Ed
01:22:55
yeah well I saw this thing recently
01:22:56
about how little Jimmy Hendricks is
01:22:57
getting play played now you know like
01:22:59
they were tracking artists that have
01:23:00
continued on Queen are bigger than
01:23:02
they've ever been you know um there's
01:23:05
various artists that just keep going and
01:23:06
going Nana are huge now you know and and
01:23:09
then for some reason Jimmy Hendricks is
01:23:11
going and sliding into the past and
01:23:14
disappearing like these huge Stars you
01:23:15
know like look at Elvis and there'll be
01:23:17
a point where the Beatles aren't aren't
01:23:19
anything there' be a point when Taylor
01:23:20
Swift is isn't anything like if Taylor
01:23:22
Swift is not remembered then good luck
01:23:25
freaking me well you think of all the
01:23:27
all the all the all the people on
01:23:29
statues around the world like who are
01:23:30
they who's that guy on the Statue yeah
01:23:32
and was yeah um no one thing I I really
01:23:36
love when I hear you guys it's like
01:23:37
almost the the the Defiance like you
01:23:39
must be like your boss's nightmare it's
01:23:41
almost like you have um like a meeting
01:23:43
with do you have Consultants who do you
01:23:45
yeah we've we've had Consultants yeah
01:23:47
yeah like usually it's usually someone
01:23:48
from like someone from LA or someone
01:23:50
from Australia because someone from
01:23:52
overseas knows more about radio than
01:23:53
what people he do and that they tell you
01:23:55
what you should be doing and the usual
01:23:57
thing is keep your brake length shorter
01:23:58
but you guys it always comes around to
01:24:00
keep your Brak length shorter they go
01:24:01
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
01:24:02
blah blah blah and just tighten up those
01:24:04
brakes a little bit and then they always
01:24:05
say that thing goes not that if it's if
01:24:07
it's great content then they go through
01:24:08
as long as you want but tighten up those
01:24:09
brakes a b and then they put a clock in
01:24:11
and you realize that all they care about
01:24:13
is that you that you talk for three
01:24:15
minutes that's yeah I was always always
01:24:17
about giving them value for money it's
01:24:18
like I'm being paid really well so I
01:24:20
want to rather than less is more it's
01:24:23
like no more is more that's why podcasts
01:24:25
are so good and kind of approved a point
01:24:28
in a way that people do have the
01:24:30
appetite for long form yeah yeah yeah um
01:24:33
although but I also do actually now over
01:24:36
time realize what they're kind of saying
01:24:38
and that and then because I'm going to
01:24:39
play back here play your back a break
01:24:41
that you thought was freaking amazing
01:24:42
you're like you I should have jumped out
01:24:44
there we're just saying the same joke
01:24:46
over and over and over again and you
01:24:47
know so maybe maybe it was maybe it was
01:24:49
time to get time to get out it's it's
01:24:51
good though it's it's a very good show
01:24:52
you guys you guys do how long have you
01:24:54
been going now 10 years on whole
01:24:56
breakfast yeah wow n years that's
01:24:59
amazing and you you still love it you
01:25:01
enjoy it freaking love it I actually
01:25:02
love it more now than ever cuz a lot of
01:25:05
these things that you're talking about
01:25:06
by you know like um that idea of not
01:25:08
taking it too seriously and not and just
01:25:10
letting go you know letting go of the
01:25:12
previous break and going cuz you know
01:25:14
like I think you asked me for one of the
01:25:15
lessons that I've learned most over the
01:25:17
years and it's that at any second you
01:25:18
can just flip things like any
01:25:20
conversation that's not going well you
01:25:21
can just suddenly make B cuz you know
01:25:23
the past is the past is realm you don't
01:25:24
live in you can just make it better so
01:25:26
like if the you can chew on something
01:25:28
like you can even be halfway through an
01:25:29
interview and it's not going well and
01:25:31
you start chewing on it or you can go oh
01:25:33
no I'll just make the interview good
01:25:34
from now and then that's in the past and
01:25:36
then if it ends good then then it's good
01:25:38
so that's so that's what I've learned so
01:25:40
if I'm even in the middle of a break I'm
01:25:42
like oh this isn't going well I'll just
01:25:45
make it good you know like rather than
01:25:47
going oh this isn't going well I'll just
01:25:49
you know pet her out yeah I think having
01:25:51
that awareness is a good thing and you
01:25:53
can you can do that when relationship
01:25:54
with your your partner like you know
01:25:56
like you know when you know when you got
01:25:57
those opportunities in a relationship
01:25:59
you know everyone knows these moments
01:26:01
you've got a pathway you're talking to
01:26:02
them and you know that you can niggle
01:26:04
them you know and you they might be
01:26:06
doing something wrong but you have a
01:26:07
choice whether you
01:26:08
can which way you go on it and you can
01:26:11
always make it good or bad or at least
01:26:13
better but but for a long time in your
01:26:16
life you go you for some reason you
01:26:17
always choose the I'm going to burn the
01:26:19
whole house down I'm going to screw this
01:26:22
you know but if you just go hang on this
01:26:25
is just seems to be going this way you
01:26:26
know what I'm going to I'm going to make
01:26:27
I'm going to I'm just going to change my
01:26:29
attitude here and I'm just going to I'm
01:26:31
going to be good now I'm I'm going to
01:26:32
make I'm going to make it better I'll
01:26:33
see if I can make this a a good
01:26:35
experience that's so true it's so true I
01:26:38
I do do you feel like that you've
01:26:39
reached this point because you've done
01:26:41
the the work or do you think this is
01:26:42
just like a maturity thing and you would
01:26:45
I wonder about that because a lot of the
01:26:46
things I think about can you tell a
01:26:50
22y old calm down 22y old mat wouldn't
01:26:53
have listened no you can't they' be like
01:26:55
piss off they hate cuz they want to burn
01:26:56
the world down um and they want to and
01:26:58
they think you think you know everything
01:26:59
at that point um but that's but but but
01:27:02
I think also because you know they
01:27:03
always say that youth is wasted on the
01:27:05
young but I also think it's wasted on
01:27:07
the middle-aged and the old like all of
01:27:08
us have the ability to ruin the whatever
01:27:11
amount of time we've got cuz who knows
01:27:13
you could die tomorrow what whatever but
01:27:15
we all have that ability don't we to
01:27:17
just go to just waste it and and so like
01:27:21
yeah and you just look back at what you
01:27:23
were doing in your 20s and you go but
01:27:25
what what you did in your 20s has got
01:27:26
you to where you are so you know there's
01:27:29
a there's possibility you have to go
01:27:30
through those phases you know yeah
01:27:33
insane ambition that you've got to that
01:27:34
you have and the and destructive thing
01:27:37
and and and all all that stuff but you
01:27:41
know if I guess if you if you changed a
01:27:43
single thing back then then you wouldn't
01:27:44
be where where you are now yeah the
01:27:47
butterfly effect thing um yeah I
01:27:49
probably still have um this issue with
01:27:52
fully enjoying or appreciate what I've
01:27:54
got now and and you do you every now and
01:27:57
then you catch yourself and you realize
01:27:58
things could be a whole lot worse oh
01:28:00
[ __ ] yeah I mean I I I was think I
01:28:02
always think about these two people and
01:28:04
like it's such a cliche but I was in an
01:28:05
India not so long ago um and I saw these
01:28:09
two like they look like 11year old kids
01:28:11
and they were in a dump and they had no
01:28:13
shoes and they were actually going
01:28:15
through the dump on the side of the road
01:28:16
and um and uh Bangalore and and they I
01:28:21
made eye contact them with them as we wh
01:28:22
past in our car and for some reason you
01:28:24
have those moments that just it's kind
01:28:26
of like a cinematic moment you're like
01:28:27
oh my God and they just got me thinking
01:28:29
you know imagine those people looking at
01:28:32
us and knowing that we are freaking
01:28:34
dissatisfied with their life they be
01:28:35
like you what you don't think you got
01:28:37
enough like or you know what I mean like
01:28:40
and and then then not
01:28:42
only they would do anything to have what
01:28:44
you have but then imagine if they found
01:28:46
out that you were dissatisfied with what
01:28:48
you got and you think you deserve more
01:28:50
you'd be like that that [ __ ] what they
01:28:52
drove past in the car at pay and
01:28:54
eyeballed me he's unhappy outrageous
01:28:58
entitlement what a piece of [ __ ] you
01:29:00
know is he ever going to be [ __ ]
01:29:02
happy if he's not happy happy there you
01:29:04
know have have you had any counseling or
01:29:07
therapy over the years no never you've
01:29:10
just worked it out yourself with podcast
01:29:12
and books I had um you know relationship
01:29:14
therapy but I'm suspicious that maybe
01:29:17
relationship Theory might be just
01:29:18
helping you out of the
01:29:20
relationship and it's just like a step
01:29:22
on the way out it's like soften the um
01:29:25
is softening the departure I've Got a
01:29:27
Theory on that I'd like to see the
01:29:29
stats on how many relationships get
01:29:31
turned around because yeah yeah um but
01:29:35
um no no I haven't and so that was that
01:29:38
was my plan really was to see if I could
01:29:40
I just had this idea when I was you know
01:29:41
up late one night I was like I wonder if
01:29:43
I can read my way out of this and and
01:29:46
and listen to podcasts and and listen to
01:29:48
audio books and and then um you know
01:29:50
listen to uh P scientific papers and
01:29:53
stuff and so like I got a p PDF reader
01:29:56
that was in my ears all the time and
01:29:58
started running a lot and listening to
01:29:59
the the stuff and and I feel like that's
01:30:02
actually not a bad path because you got
01:30:04
to do something if you're not feeling
01:30:05
great it's stupid not to do something
01:30:07
and yeah that's I think it was Einstein
01:30:09
that said the definition of Madness is
01:30:10
doing the same thing over and over and
01:30:11
expecting a different result which is
01:30:12
exactly what we all do yeah yeah and and
01:30:15
so um I think there's something to that
01:30:17
but but also like what I'd say
01:30:19
especially with the mybook is it's like
01:30:21
it's not four people with horrific I
01:30:24
mean they're welcome to read it but not
01:30:25
but it it's not for you know this this
01:30:28
really serious clinical depression and
01:30:30
there's there's things that are quite
01:30:31
different from this but I'm sort of
01:30:33
looking at the person that has all the
01:30:36
capability to be enjoying the life
01:30:37
they're having and is failing to do so
01:30:40
is really what the the idea is cuz that
01:30:43
feels it feels almost disrespectful to
01:30:46
to to have it okay and there's so many
01:30:49
levels of okay you know but but but but
01:30:52
has all everything in the in their grasp
01:30:54
to actually enjoy their life and you
01:30:56
know there's so many people God everyone
01:30:58
sees the person in a wheelchair with you
01:31:00
know one you know like trying to make it
01:31:02
down the street to the dairy and and
01:31:04
when that person goes past you you can
01:31:06
either go um you know I don't know I
01:31:10
mean if you don't see that and and
01:31:12
reflect back on your life and go I
01:31:13
probably owe that person to probably
01:31:15
enjoy what I've got you know even to
01:31:17
that very very very low level you know
01:31:21
yeah 100% oh the the book um really
01:31:23
resonated with me I have that sometimes
01:31:25
it's like why am I unhappy I've got
01:31:27
nothing to be [ __ ] unhappy about um
01:31:29
and it's a it's a weird feeling eh
01:31:31
because you you do have a sense of guilt
01:31:32
as well like you know you should be
01:31:33
happy yeah you're like why am I not
01:31:35
happy yeah that that's that's what I had
01:31:37
and turning into it but there was
01:31:38
there's a thing that you've knowah harar
01:31:40
wrote in his book which I thought was
01:31:41
interesting it's not his idea but he was
01:31:43
talking about his three Slots of
01:31:45
unhappiness of um basically concern we
01:31:48
have fear and anxiety that we have there
01:31:50
three slots and if you're in a trench
01:31:53
and you've seen that movie they shall
01:31:54
not grow old you know Peter Jackson and
01:31:56
they smiling and doing that stuff cuz
01:31:57
their slots are filled with um you know
01:32:00
being shot um you know you know trench
01:32:03
foot um and you know grenades and such
01:32:07
and and and so they and and so that's
01:32:10
that takes them to their base level of
01:32:11
Happiness so they return to that and you
01:32:13
know they're fearful all that kind of
01:32:15
stuff but we all have those slots so we
01:32:17
feel no matter how good things get we
01:32:18
fill those slots with whatever stupid
01:32:20
things like that [ __ ] at Works giving
01:32:23
me [ __ ] you know like um you know my
01:32:25
career is not quite right and then I
01:32:27
once heard the story from Paul Stanley
01:32:28
from Kiss You know that guy he rang up
01:32:30
crying to the bentle Bentley because he
01:32:33
wasn't a he'd been dropped out of the
01:32:34
top five people who get the the latest
01:32:36
Bentley given to him so he'd filled one
01:32:38
of his slots some people had you know in
01:32:40
the trenches you're filling that slot or
01:32:42
if you're starving then you fill that
01:32:44
slot with having to feed your family or
01:32:46
you know feed yourself or survive um
01:32:49
like your manufacture problems yeah yeah
01:32:50
so if you're Paul Stanley you fill that
01:32:52
slot cuz he's got nothing to worry about
01:32:53
you f that slot with you you've been
01:32:55
taken out of the top five guys to
01:32:57
receive the latest car yeah and but you
01:32:59
can easily CH you know you just have to
01:33:01
um change your mindset yeah have to
01:33:02
change your mindset and look at what
01:33:04
what you have you
01:33:06
know learn you know like um getting more
01:33:10
stuff doesn't make you happy you know
01:33:12
but learning to want what you want what
01:33:14
you've got is the trick right yeah yeah
01:33:16
be be happy with what you've got them
01:33:17
where you are yeah oh oh we're going to
01:33:19
wrap up but one one one more thing which
01:33:22
I feel like is worth a mention uh um the
01:33:25
up the was um that's a big movement
01:33:27
that's been going the last couple of
01:33:28
years and there's a new one the the P
01:33:30
Pon and you are the creator of that well
01:33:33
it's so genius isn't it like so I was
01:33:35
just sitting in a pub drinking a pin on
01:33:36
W watching The Warriors and I sent to a
01:33:41
group chat which happened to be a radio
01:33:42
group chat cuz we all you know when we
01:33:44
were watching The Warriors we all text
01:33:45
each other and stuff and I was like the
01:33:47
pen on was and then and then someone put
01:33:50
it up online and it it sort of blew up
01:33:53
and
01:33:54
oh it's it's blown up in a big way yeah
01:33:56
yeah it's it's it's gone everywhere you
01:33:58
know it's gone quite it's blown up and I
01:34:00
reckon it's the same reason why Kung Fu
01:34:02
Panda is popular it's because it's the
01:34:05
Opposites isn't it it's like like
01:34:06
everyone's trying to say what a
01:34:07
Grassroots Warriors fan they are and
01:34:09
everyone's trying to say that they've
01:34:10
been there for the start and they're not
01:34:12
a bandwagon Dr you know and you know
01:34:14
like they and then you're
01:34:17
like I enjoy the Warriors matched with
01:34:20
the delicious ponir it's like it's like
01:34:23
so so silly but um it certainly got me a
01:34:26
lot of uh a lot of pin on was in my way
01:34:29
oh my God that's
01:34:30
amazing some boxes and boxes so um in
01:34:33
fact I I bought you a bottle today you
01:34:35
you you did it was a lovely bottle
01:34:37
something that was delivered to me um
01:34:39
just before I came up here yeah we you
01:34:40
and I we do enjoy our pin on wild we've
01:34:42
had a lot of them over the years um so
01:34:44
out of all the work you've done what are
01:34:45
you what are you the most proud of do
01:34:48
you do you ever think of recency bias we
01:34:50
yeah what you know do you know what I'm
01:34:52
actually quite proud of this book at the
01:34:54
moment I'm I'm quite proud of this book
01:34:56
at the moment and um I'm also quite
01:34:59
proud
01:35:01
of I reckon I'm a really good dad and
01:35:03
that's that's I mean I've really really
01:35:05
worked on that and that's that's I've
01:35:06
been lucky in that I've done breakfast
01:35:08
radio so I've been home for my boys when
01:35:09
they come home from school so right now
01:35:11
it's those two things and I think I'm
01:35:13
quite proud of how much I'm um en you
01:35:16
know enjoying life and trying to be a
01:35:18
bit more of a less of a freaking eore
01:35:20
about everything you know what I mean
01:35:22
like I I think I've turned some Corners
01:35:25
um it's funny you have to do the work
01:35:27
though way yeah you do like no one can
01:35:28
do it for you and it never stops and
01:35:30
also you don't all the things that
01:35:31
people say it's just an ideal like even
01:35:34
like the most amazing like I know like
01:35:36
take cica for example you know one of
01:35:38
you know great sto philosopher and
01:35:40
Statesman he like there's so many
01:35:42
stories of him being a complete freaking
01:35:44
[ __ ] you know and and just being you
01:35:47
know doing terrible terrible thing so
01:35:48
there's no one even the most supposedly
01:35:50
enlightened people screw up or or all
01:35:53
the time so even if you like go oh my
01:35:55
God I'm like so amazing now um I don't
01:35:58
let things get to me you'll then just
01:36:00
spend a whole day being angry at someone
01:36:01
and and being a [ __ ] dick and and and
01:36:06
and then and then that's that's [ __ ]
01:36:09
fine because at least you've got
01:36:10
something you know that um have you ever
01:36:11
read that book um when breath becomes
01:36:12
ear by Paul K Kell no haven't heard it's
01:36:16
a great book it's about a guy who he
01:36:19
he's a neuroscientist that develops a
01:36:21
brain tumor and dies throughout the book
01:36:22
actually so it's and he wrote the book
01:36:24
and then it was released after he was
01:36:25
dead um so it's it's um it's a comedy
01:36:29
yeah it's it's comedy yeah but but it's
01:36:31
kind of grum but then he's talking in
01:36:33
you know about like he basically says
01:36:36
you don't get there but the best thing
01:36:37
in life is to have at least have
01:36:38
something to strive towards you know and
01:36:40
he wanted to strive towards dying that's
01:36:42
a [ __ ] grum example I've come up with
01:36:44
you but but he he wanted to um he he
01:36:46
wanted to strive towards being perfect
01:36:47
for his his wife and his kid on the way
01:36:50
out and made it e easy for them and and
01:36:52
he wanted to strive to being really good
01:36:53
but you can't do that but at least he
01:36:55
knew what he wanted to be you know yeah
01:36:58
I think I think that that's a good
01:36:59
message that I think that's the best
01:37:01
thing you can do it just make your
01:37:02
immediate circle sort of proud and yeah
01:37:04
hopefully when when you're gone they
01:37:06
miss you like your kids or yeah if if
01:37:08
you can make if you can make people
01:37:10
around you's life a little bit better in
01:37:12
your life and then it's not freaking bad
01:37:17
but but but too often the time we make
01:37:18
people's lives around us [ __ ]
01:37:19
Terrible by being absolute penises yeah
01:37:21
well you do you save the your worst
01:37:24
behavior for the people you love the
01:37:25
most oh yeah [ __ ] yeah I catch myself my
01:37:28
my girlfriend moved in like four months
01:37:29
ago I haven't find myself doing it like
01:37:31
she'll leave um just little things like
01:37:34
she'll have a half drunk cup of tea and
01:37:35
she'll leave leave it on the sofa or
01:37:37
she'll there'll be an empty toilet roll
01:37:39
and you're doing the same thing to me I
01:37:40
liveed by myself for a long time after
01:37:42
the my big break up and then now and
01:37:45
then everything's in the exact freaking
01:37:46
right space and then you're like um
01:37:50
there's another toothbrush in the
01:37:52
bathroom um
01:37:54
and that's sticking up in a weird kind
01:37:57
of kind of way now there's like a Q-tip
01:38:00
that's yeah you know like are you living
01:38:03
with your partner now no no no no okay
01:38:06
but um just mysterious sometimes but but
01:38:08
we've talked about it a lot because
01:38:10
because I become a weirdo which like
01:38:12
everything's really tidy and then
01:38:13
suddenly her things are all in a drawer
01:38:15
she's she's just come around and she's
01:38:17
she's laid everything out and she's put
01:38:18
her stuff where she' put herself which
01:38:20
is pretty normally and then she goes
01:38:21
upstairs and she goes back down and
01:38:22
everything's back he put away like a
01:38:24
weirdo and she's like um the [ __ ] are
01:38:27
you doing and I was
01:38:28
like just I've just love you do you you
01:38:33
you do get set in your ways yeah and
01:38:35
it's a it's a it's a dangerous thing and
01:38:37
and I think becoming tidy because you
01:38:39
can always be more tidy like I talked to
01:38:41
someone on a that worked on a cruise
01:38:42
ship for a billionaire and she was
01:38:43
telling me that they have to everything
01:38:46
like the level of tidiness is because
01:38:48
they're billionaires and R in the boat
01:38:49
every now and then you're around like
01:38:51
every brick you know not not there's a
01:38:53
lot of bricks on boats but everything
01:38:55
would be made sure that was all the same
01:38:56
color and the whole thing and there's
01:38:58
levels of Tidy so I think it's a think
01:39:00
that perfectionism of tidiness and when
01:39:02
you're a little bit older and you've
01:39:04
broken up with someone that you can you
01:39:05
can you can go you can go into the minut
01:39:08
of tidiness but also I quite like being
01:39:10
tidy because um it's controls the chaos
01:39:13
around your life a little bit I don't
01:39:15
know and also I freaking love cleaning
01:39:17
because it's easier than what I normally
01:39:18
have to do is write something or do
01:39:20
something so it's like they're like
01:39:22
cleaning yeah [ __ ] great like if if
01:39:24
everything [ __ ] ends I could just I
01:39:28
sounds [ __ ] lame but become a cleaner
01:39:31
become cleaner for Airbnb or
01:39:34
something cleaning what what do you want
01:39:36
to do um what do you want to do next is
01:39:37
there anything that you haven't done
01:39:38
that you want to do like we talked about
01:39:40
this at the beginning you know TV series
01:39:42
movie um animated series which we didn't
01:39:45
get into music you've done you've done
01:39:48
now on the ACC I'm just a comments man
01:39:50
when I'm commentating sport I'd like to
01:39:51
be allowed to do the ball by ball at
01:39:52
some point like not not Jeremy Wells or
01:39:55
Jason hood off or or Mike Lane off and
01:39:57
actually be allowed to call the ball boy
01:39:59
ball and not just be the comments guy
01:40:00
that would that would be good I tried to
01:40:02
do it recently I sort of jumped on and
01:40:03
then there was panic in the panic in the
01:40:06
booth not yet m not yet not years acc's
01:40:10
only been going it's only been 10 years
01:40:12
mate you're not you're not ready yeah
01:40:14
anything else it has been a hell of a
01:40:15
career and I feel like you've still got
01:40:18
so much to to you know to do yeah [ __ ]
01:40:20
what do I want to do that's a very good
01:40:23
question question cuz like you know part
01:40:24
of maybe writing a book was like to
01:40:26
write a book you know when I was off to
01:40:27
write a book I mean that was kind of
01:40:28
like as much as I had something to say
01:40:30
and wanted to do it I guess um I also to
01:40:32
write a book it's kind of cool you said
01:40:33
you mean you wrote a book you wrote your
01:40:34
first book years and years ago but when
01:40:36
you wrote a book you go it's kind of one
01:40:37
of those things you say it's like I've
01:40:38
written a book yeah oh it is especially
01:40:42
when most of your stuff's on radio so
01:40:43
it's um you do you do a break whether
01:40:45
it's good or bad it's out there and um a
01:40:48
book is something a bit more permanent
01:40:49
and it's something I I suppose someone
01:40:50
like your dad can sort of understand a
01:40:52
bit more I tell you what I'm enjoying
01:40:53
now when I want to lean into more I just
01:40:55
did this podcast today which I spent
01:40:57
about 3 weeks researching for that I
01:41:00
recorded the first episode for today and
01:41:02
it was like deeply
01:41:03
researched podcasts not just talking
01:41:06
[ __ ] like you know you do so much more
01:41:07
research than I do for my podcast but
01:41:10
you know like really getting to know
01:41:12
something and then imparting that
01:41:14
information over three-part podcasts is
01:41:17
something I'm [ __ ] loving leaning
01:41:20
into now so you just know more about
01:41:23
like this one particularly was about
01:41:24
Peter plumy Walker that murder so I
01:41:26
probably know more about the Peter
01:41:27
Plumley Walker murder than nearly anyone
01:41:30
not murder it wasn't a murder but Peter
01:41:32
plumbley Walker situation what was I
01:41:34
Peter Plumley Walker this was in the
01:41:36
1980s Cricket Umpire yeah Cricket Umpire
01:41:40
love BDSM yeah yeah and um he end up
01:41:43
getting thrown over the hook of Falls by
01:41:45
Renee chigal and nille Walker yeah right
01:41:47
after so so BDSM so he got a he got a
01:41:50
flogging and they flogged him too much
01:41:52
no no it's very complicated right but oh
01:41:55
I was young at the time so I vaguely
01:41:57
remember the story oh that sounds good
01:41:59
yeah yeah so so so it's a serious
01:42:01
podcast uh well no as serious as what
01:42:04
you serious just as deeply researched
01:42:06
deep deep deeply deeply researched and
01:42:08
that that's pretty fun just spending
01:42:11
like three weeks really getting to know
01:42:15
a topic you know so you you said
01:42:17
something you vaguely interested in and
01:42:19
then you just know everything about it
01:42:21
that you can possibly find that's that's
01:42:23
that's pretty fun so I might lean into
01:42:24
that for a while how good how can people
01:42:26
find it what do they search oh that's
01:42:27
just the m and jury daily bespoke
01:42:29
podcast the next that'll be in there
01:42:31
somewhere in the sea of because we do a
01:42:33
bunch of stupid ones every now and then
01:42:34
there's a good one research one so oh no
01:42:37
they're all good they're all good but um
01:42:39
and this book is amazing a life less
01:42:41
punishing 13 ways to love the life
01:42:42
you've got um yeah yeah you must be
01:42:45
proud of that it's bloody great yeah oh
01:42:47
no I am and I um thank you so much for
01:42:49
for for talking to me and it's kind of
01:42:51
weird to talk to a friend like this you
01:42:54
know what I mean like over it's bizarre
01:42:56
but it's really good it's probably the
01:42:57
best conversation we've ever had because
01:42:59
we we don't um normally normally we're
01:43:02
drinking drinking and making [ __ ] jokes
01:43:04
and being idiots and and then you know
01:43:08
laugh you know like me like and I always
01:43:10
enjoy it though I always definitely I I
01:43:13
always enjoy our ketchups I always go
01:43:15
away and think um yeah Mets Mets a good
01:43:17
dude I'm pleased I've got him as a
01:43:18
friend but I'm also after after doing
01:43:20
the research for this uh it's a good
01:43:22
thing we meet when we did like if we met
01:43:24
in our 20s I think we would have both
01:43:25
thought the other one was a
01:43:28
dick but but when your 20s you everyone
01:43:30
else is a dick especially in media
01:43:31
you're like that [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah
01:43:34
all right I um cheers yeah I love being
01:43:36
your friend thanks for coming over yeah
01:43:38
yeah me too thank you so much for floody
01:43:40
lets have a wine let's go I'm the wise
01:43:43
I'm the p on wise
01:43:45
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