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Kings welcome to my podcast what's up
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man so good to see you here yeah man
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nice nice crib thank you so much thank
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you so I really appreciate you being on
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my podcast um there'll be a lot of
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people that um aren't familiar with the
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name but I reckon there would wouldn't
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be anybody listening to this or watching
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this that doesn't know your song right
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now because of um the way podcasts work
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U and with Spotify and stuff I can't
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play any of the song here yeah that's
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right you don't even flag so if only the
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uh the singer songwriter was in the room
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right now hey I could talk to some
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people so um yes so your song don't
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worry about it the uh most successful
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single in New Zealand history number one
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for 33 weeks that's the one that goes um
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Run free boy Run free is what I would
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have said to the young yeah man and it
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just it's got that sound it starts ooh
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ah and you just feel good when you hear
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it yeah man I felt good when I made it
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so that was um 2016 that don't worry
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about it came out yeah um and from like
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outsider's perspective it felt like um
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you were just this thing that came from
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out of nowhere um but as I've discovered
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with this podcast doing this almost two
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years speaking to some amazing people
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that is very rarely the case it's like
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um the iceberg sort of picture where
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that's the tip and people don't see
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what's underneath the water yeah um yeah
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what was life like pre 2016 God pre 2016
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[ __ ] I can't remember that far
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back how long like how long were you
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making music pre don't worry about it so
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yeah I was making music for man close to
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seven years by then um I was producing
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for ads so like TV commercials things
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like that and um hey Kanye hey he very
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excited and um yeah so was about seven
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years of kind of commercial work um and
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I've been writing and producing for tons
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of different artists um but I'd never
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given myself that shot you know so um
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don't worry why why was was it um was
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that a self-esteem thing a self-belief
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thing that's a good question uh I think
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it was like navigating the the scope of
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things like I wasn't even sure who I
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wanted to be I knew what I looked up to
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I looked up to like Timberland producer
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Kanye as we were talking about earlier I
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looked up to these people but I was like
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what do I bring and I did think it was
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production for a long time um so yeah it
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wasn't so much confidence I think I was
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just trying to navigate the waters and
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then when I did finally get into writing
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I loved it I really love writing music
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um and I would say it was like
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accumulation of the seven years of
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production mixed with the love for
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songwriting and the marriage yeah um and
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yeah two you mentioned tv ads um yeah
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2011 you had like an ad in Malaysia for
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KFC yeah that's so Random what was it
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just a just a beat yeah so uh I was
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working for an agency and they send you
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these briefs and it would be like KFC or
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McDonald's like happy brief and you have
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to make happy music in 30 seconds with
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the KFC in mind and so um yeah I was
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making [ __ ] like that all the time bro
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like random like random sound bites and
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and the money's good for for those sort
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of things uh it was good for what I was
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doing which was getting paid nothing you
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know so to get like a couple hundred
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bucks to do that was was awesome for me
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um and again it was another chance for
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me to hone my skills get better at what
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I do and yeah yeah it wasn't like it
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wasn't mess of money bro no I think now
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it would be
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yes so I'm trying to get my H around
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this was so why why did you stick with
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the music and not get like a a 9 to-5
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job because you're you're young young
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dad at the time yeah uh you became a dad
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at 18 yeah no uh 19 19 so teen teenage
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dad there must have been like immense
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and and you're um we'll get into this
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later but you're like the the so hero
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like you've been Mom and Dad which is um
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it's so cool um cool one one one of oh
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no I'm sure it's um I'm sure there's so
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many challenges but uh but it's like um
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yeah I mean there there's so much to to
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unpack and Chip Away out with you but um
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you've got a complex relationship with
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um with your dad and your from a broken
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family and the fact that you've taken
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this path where you've been like a soul
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carer for your daughter um it's bloody
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cool it's breaking the cycle yeah um but
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I'm guessing like being a a young dad
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with a daughter and all the pressure
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that comes with that um must be pressure
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to like get a normal job and get regular
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income for sure bro yeah I I do remember
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the conversation uh vividly I was
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literally you can't do music anymore you
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have to go this is my mom talking to me
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by um if you're going to have this kid
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you need to go get a job
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uh you need to take care of this kid and
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I was like I do want to take care of
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this kid but I want to do music I was
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like I need I need to do music you know
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it was at a time where I was like if I
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don't do something creative I'm going to
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murder myself you know what I mean and
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it got and was that quite
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serious um and you know I stuck to my
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guns I I didn't get a job I ended up
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going on the benefit you know thank you
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labor was it labor back then whoever
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whoever it was back there uh and and I
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was able to do a music course I learned
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how to produce music shout out to ad
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kill I don't know if you know she she's
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a nan mystic's first manager yeah so
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some love Nan Mystic yeah yeah yeah
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actually fun fun fact when um me and JJ
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got married in 2004 they played at the
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wedding play the we just went to his
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wedding one of the wedding uh don Donald
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Donal yeah we just went to his wedding
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oh how good you know they were they were
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massive Radio band at the time and they
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were like oh hey we'll play your wedding
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on the house on the house and then um
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one thing I didn't realize it's like
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just how much cat they had and stuff so
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we to fly six six of them to Queen for
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the wedding on the house but you got to
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pay for all
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TR yeah was so good though so what would
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you have done as a job man i' I'd had
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jobs here and there I was folding boxes
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for Target at the material company so I
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was folding boxes I got pretty good at
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folding boxes bro um cuz you literally
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do that for about six hours a
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day um I did what else did I do paper
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route I was a laborer I was taking care
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of my friends
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like I feel like I taking care of my
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friend's like gear and like holding it
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as like a storage for music gear and
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like anything I could do producing music
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for ads whatever I could do to kind of
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prove to my mom I don't have to get this
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job like yeah I'll do anything but get a
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job you know that's so and and hindsight
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it's probably good that she like applied
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that like pressure on you breathing down
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your neck or whatever you want to call
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yeah bro I think it's yeah for sure like
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she there was a reality to what she was
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asking she was actually asking me to be
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a a good father you know yeah um and
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bless her you know like I I I was
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selling her a pipe dream I'm like I'm
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going to be a paid musician and it's
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hard to see that when it doesn't look
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like that you know so um yeah she she's
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awesome she's a huge supporter of mine
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now obvious obviously she loves me
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dearly I love her dearly yeah and you
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you I mean you kind of manifested this
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didn't you I feel like I feel like I did
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yeah um yeah my run this morning I um
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you're you're a hardworking dude so
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you're a [ __ ] hardworking Runner bro
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I feel like all you're doing is running
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every time I see you running on
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stories I'm sure a therapist could have
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a field down it like what what are you
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running from what are you there's got to
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be some um some some thing behind it
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but yesterday we were going to do this
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podcast and it had to be rescheduled cuz
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you had like a writing session then I I
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was listening today on my run to your
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new album that's just come out your
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fifth album which says your your final
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final rep what why so you've just put
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out a new album what are you working on
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writing now man I'm doing are you just
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always writing yeah man it's funny my
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partner kind of snicking at me just
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because she she understands like not
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many people get a behind the scenes to
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what it's like to be with someone like
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that it's not all fun like a lot of it
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is difficult to deal with someone who's
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like present and not present in the same
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time um so I understand it is difficult
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but yeah I'm always writing bro I'm
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always writing stuff I got a new project
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called Sergeant Nick which I won't get
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too much into but it's a it's a dance
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project and it's not rap it's like the
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complete opposite yeah cuz you've said
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that this fifth album uh dad's son is
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your last rap album um yes as I said
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listen to that on my run this
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morning is it sort of like it feels like
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it's almost like your autobiography and
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something that you've done for your
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daughter for sure yeah so your
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daughter's how old now uh she's now 13
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12 12 13 so the there's there's a song
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in there where you talk about the um
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finding out you're pregnant and uh
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you're going through do I keep the baby
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do I not keep the baby yeah like um how
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does she feel about that oh man that's F
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that's funny you say she um she doesn't
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like you know I'm still the not cool dad
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I'm still on the same I'm still on the
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same TR as everyone else yeah so when I
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release song she's like it's not that
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cool even though like maybe her friend's
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like he's so cool she' be like Noah it's
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not that cool and so I'm I'm still
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dealing with that you know um so she has
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heard those songs and I think she she
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gets a cool perspective because it's
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like it's not me talking to him
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literally rapping so um yeah she doesn't
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have too many thoughts about it though I
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think I think she just laughs and she's
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like oh see you drink like see see you
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drinko you're telling me when I grow up
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I'm not L to I'm like yeah well it's the
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takeaways that kids can get from these
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things and and there's um I don't know
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what the what what the name for them is
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whether it's like a skirt or an
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interlude or whatever you call it
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there's a couple of spoken bits in there
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um that's how the album opens and it's
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you it's young you talking to you today
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um as as a therapy session is that true
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you you were sing a therapist when you
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were 11 man from 11
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to 17 yeah how often like weekly fortn
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nightly yeah weekly every Friday from
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school for Anger Management anger
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management um I I had trouble kind of
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sitting still um my mom did think I had
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add and I think I was diagnosed by the
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school person they said oh you know
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exhibiting ADHD I'm still not sure if I
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do but the counseling was kind of a
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place to go where I felt safe to talk uh
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about things are happening at home or
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like just creatively have a talk
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sometimes we sit and do nothing you know
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like just I'd be drawing um but it was
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just a space for me and I had that space
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for years yeah that's a lot of work yeah
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and and at a very young age too yeah why
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why were you so [ __ ] up that's a great
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question bro I don't even I still feel
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like I still hav very much that
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way no no well well can I just say you
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you may still feel that way but the um
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um like the kings that I've got to know
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and this is only since 2016 um is just
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like hardworking disciplined reliable uh
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always on time always courteous always
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polite always nice I don't know I don't
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know I I don't know what what you what
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you see when you look in the mirror but
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from an outsider's perspective he's he's
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a good man maybe it was all that work
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maybe yeah it's it's a lot of work it's
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a lot of work but it's like what I I was
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like in my mid-40s before I went to a
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therapist for the first time and really
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yeah yeah yeah I probably should have
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done it a long time I don't know if 11's
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already either but I mean yeah maybe in
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between why why so late for you I I
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think I was just scared yeah and I uh
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when you you're like where do I start
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like like where do I start but you as
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soon as you get to that room you realize
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all they trained professional they
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they'll they'll lead for sure um so
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that's that's a yeah that's a lot of
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work why why were you so angry man I
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would I don't know if anger was a fair
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assessment of what I was I
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think the frustration from not being
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able to communicate effectively like
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so I could only it's like the equivalent
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of a baby trying to yell like I'm hungry
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right and like all they can do is cry so
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for me all I could do was Punch walls
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and like be exert anger it's not that I
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was necessarily angry it was just
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frustration of being able to say
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like like I youy again shut up Sir oh
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still angry yeah
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yeah exactly smash that [ __ ] phone um
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yeah yeah so it was yeah the frustration
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of being able to say things
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like like I miss my dad you know not not
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being able to say those words as a kid
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cuz you don't even know that that's
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what's going on um so yeah again when my
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dad wasn't around you know I'm like
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yearning for a male uh energy that I
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don't have and I don't know how to say
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that so I'm punching walls and throwing
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rocks at windows and all this kind of
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stuff yeah oh that makes sense yeah that
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that makes a lot of sense so so you're
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just angry and you just don't know how
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to articulate for sure for sure and yeah
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like I mean man as a kid but I look at
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Kids now and I think they're so advanced
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in some ways and then I think they're
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also silly in a lot of ways you got tick
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cuz they can read anything they can
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Google things now they they seem smart
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uh even my daughter like she'll she'll
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tell me things that I I didn't know
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about emotions like she'll say oh dad
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you know this feeling comes from this
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and did you know that if you talk about
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this I'm like how are you this young and
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um so it's it's a new world where back
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then I think it was a lot more about
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shut up just shut up and get on with it
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you go for a run yeah CU how how old are
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you now I'm 33 33 yeah yeah see I'm I'm
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50 I'm a I'm like I'm almost like
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another generation like a like older
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than you and yeah yeah yeah yeah so you
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must think the same about us you got
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[ __ ] no no no I'm guessing there's
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been like just just huge like seismic
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leaps like in the last in the last
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generation in terms of technology and
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information and everything for sure so
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yes so go back to the real early year so
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um yes compl your relationship with your
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dad's good now but it was comp so your
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mom and dad broke up when you were a
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young age yeah young dad dad's moldy
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mom's some mine but was adopted out to a
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pangy family did some research good man
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yes yeah yeah yeah so they broke were
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they ever together with you or did did
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he b i I got a couple years uh I think
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with that I want to
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say five age of five or six so I
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remember him like there's memories for
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sure and I see photos so he was around
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um but like do
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I like as a kid you don't know you're
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making you're piecing it together as you
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go you know so all of a sudden dad's not
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there and you just think oh he's
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probably just gone to the shop like you
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know you just you don't know you're just
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like oh he'll be around soon and then
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you see him in a weekend and you're like
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oh he's back and you you piece it
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together right um with very horrible
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tools you're piecing together like a
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[ __ ] clay thing that you have no idea
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how to do so um bad an allergy but yeah
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the the absence was I wasn't sure if I
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knew he was around or not I just felt he
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was absent yeah and and your mom that
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was a nasty breakup right so she she
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[ __ ] about yeah I don't think they liked
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each other too much and my mom for fear
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reason you know I I think about these
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there's so many kids that I know that
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have gone through the similar thing of
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having a broken home and
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sometimes the mom will react in a in a
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way because she's been hurt you know um
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whether it be cheating with physical
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whatever it is and the reaction without
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her
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knowing could affect the kids you know
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but but I have to forgive her knowing
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that she didn't have the tools to
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communicate that either so um yeah she's
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just proba just like projecting her
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anger angry yeah and fair enough I'd be
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pissed off too you should have sent her
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to anger
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me yeah maybe she was sending me because
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she was secretly like what did you
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learn what but um did she she you look
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back now from the perspective of um a
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guy that's been you're doing the solo
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dead thing did she do a good job is I
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think she did a great job man yeah she
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raised us well like she raised us well
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man I'm I'm a curious guy I respectful
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the woman for the most part um she's
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taught me how to be lovely she's the
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lovely side of me yeah when you for the
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most part what do you mean yeah like
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saying please and thank you something
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you know she was she ingrained that and
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meant to be courteous I pull chairs out
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I four people glasses of water and just
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that's innate in me from her yeah my my
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dad's taught me how to be a businessman
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and how to be a man more
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recently um but yeah my M my mom lives
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within me and my dad how do how do you
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mean what I expect speak about being a
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man
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Walking Tall yeah being able to walk
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tall and I don't know if you remember
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when we first started uh when I 2016
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when I first started doing radio runs
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bro my shoulders are hunched back I see
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photos and stuff of it I was really
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nervous scared to be in a room and take
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up space um so he tryes to make himself
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small yeah yeah yeah just naturally
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doing that and um I I I never I never I
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never noticed that I I just thought you
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were a humble guy oh
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like like a guy that was you know how we
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talked before about the iceberg thing
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and it sort of felt like you were just
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suddenly in the spotlight like a like a
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deer on the spotlight that's what
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happened yeah and I guess for someone
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who I would consider myself an introvert
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which is awkward because I'm a performer
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right but yeah it did feel I did feel
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like a um a daring headlights is a good
00:17:52
way to put it and so my my dad kind of
00:17:54
being in my life taught me how to pull
00:17:56
my shoulders back take take the space
00:17:58
and and own it yeah [ __ ] so you're still
00:18:01
doing work hey yeah you're still a still
00:18:04
a work in progress yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:18:05
oh bro forever man yeah yeah yeah like I
00:18:09
mean until we're gone you know yeah well
00:18:12
no that's cool I I um I fully agree it's
00:18:14
like it's like a growth mindset but I
00:18:16
think a lot a lot of people just sort of
00:18:17
give up and they go well this is how I
00:18:19
am you take it or leave it um you think
00:18:22
so I think a lot of people like that but
00:18:23
I think it's a it's a it's a great way
00:18:25
to be to you know always have um work on
00:18:28
and always be tweaking and trying to
00:18:30
create yourself yeah I actually never
00:18:32
thought of it like that like I I I
00:18:33
figure everyone's trying to do the right
00:18:36
thing and get better but maybe you're
00:18:37
right every every everyone wants to
00:18:40
wants to be the best version of
00:18:41
themselves but it does take it does take
00:18:42
work it does take a lot of work yeah so
00:18:44
you can't you can wish it but that's not
00:18:45
going to make it happen yeah that's not
00:18:47
going to do [ __ ] yeah like I I I'm I
00:18:49
feel like I'm better at communicating on
00:18:51
this podcast than what I am with some of
00:18:52
my personal relationships and I know
00:18:54
that's something that I'm trying to work
00:18:55
on you know just get a camera in between
00:18:58
you
00:18:59
going to do chat just get a microphone
00:19:01
in between I don't know and uh yeah yeah
00:19:03
and and I'm um I'm I'm obsessed with
00:19:06
like pleasing people and I I'll
00:19:07
sometimes say yes to things then
00:19:08
afterwards I'll be like [ __ ] why did I
00:19:10
say yes to that wow okay I want to know
00:19:12
is that why you were here
00:19:15
today no bro that's actually quite that
00:19:17
that that was never a thing weirdly I
00:19:20
know what you mean because I think I
00:19:23
don't know if it's a human thing like we
00:19:24
like to just go yeah bro yeah I'll see
00:19:26
you you know but I think for me when I
00:19:29
started doing business that attitude
00:19:31
isn't always great like if you start
00:19:33
saying yes to everything you burn
00:19:34
yourself out I can't be there for my
00:19:36
daughter because I'm doing 300 other
00:19:38
things yeah and so I actually learned by
00:19:40
being a dad and a business
00:19:41
owner that the power of know is actually
00:19:44
a lot stronger than um the power of your
00:19:47
yeah absolutely say know a lot more
00:19:48
these days it's got it it's a powerful
00:19:50
word hey yeah no and to mean it like no
00:19:54
I still love you you know like hey bro
00:19:56
no but I love you and yeah yeah I think
00:20:00
people respect that Honesty okay so so
00:20:02
yeah so your mom and dad split when you
00:20:03
like say fiveish or so so who's in the
00:20:05
house it's you and your older brother me
00:20:06
my older brother my little sister and my
00:20:08
mom yeah so your um your older brother
00:20:11
he was kind of like your male your male
00:20:13
figure in your life he became it yeah he
00:20:15
kind of was thrust into it I guess just
00:20:16
by by way of default um strong dude man
00:20:20
very very strong
00:20:22
character and was he he was he was a bit
00:20:25
of a loky bad dude yeah oh not Loki
00:20:29
he's just a he's just a gangster man I
00:20:31
think for my for
00:20:34
people like me multi Polynesian it's not
00:20:38
uncommon to have a man thrust into that
00:20:41
role early and then to have
00:20:44
to wield the responsibilities of a young
00:20:48
father brother yeah or cousin yeah but I
00:20:52
feel like I'm doing this a lot feel like
00:20:53
we're having having a
00:20:54
route like every time I laugh sorry bro
00:20:58
that comes on your thing sorry bro no
00:21:00
that's good that's definitely not being
00:21:01
edited out so so so you were from what
00:21:04
I've what I've read you were sort of
00:21:05
hitting down that path as well like um
00:21:07
yeah you you Street Smart so you never
00:21:09
got in trouble but what what you doing
00:21:11
just like dealing weed yeah bro oh it's
00:21:14
so funny like it's funny cuz I know my
00:21:16
daughter might watch
00:21:17
this like yeah
00:21:21
like bro survival survival is a best way
00:21:24
to put it like it wasn't that I was
00:21:26
doing one thing or anything it's just
00:21:27
survival like you do what you can at
00:21:30
that age um I had a big chip on my
00:21:32
shoulder
00:21:33
around blaming the police and white
00:21:36
people for problems that I think that
00:21:37
just comes in with The Narrative of
00:21:39
being in the Hood um so I had these kind
00:21:43
of chips on my shoulder and to fall into
00:21:46
line you play ball you know what I mean
00:21:49
you you go with your cousins to these
00:21:52
places and you go to these House parties
00:21:53
and you do these things that they do
00:21:55
because there's no other no one telling
00:21:58
you don't do that you know so you're
00:22:00
just rolling with the punches um yeah
00:22:04
yeah so yep I was I was doing stupid
00:22:07
[ __ ] for sure when I was young you ever
00:22:09
get caught or get in trouble or I think
00:22:11
the worst thing I got caught was like
00:22:13
spray painting um and it was literally
00:22:15
caught red-handed like I spray painted
00:22:17
and there was red paint in my hands the
00:22:19
cops come and they're like who's been
00:22:20
spray painting I was like not me check
00:22:22
my hands [ __ ] red actually yeah
00:22:24
there's a line about that in that um
00:22:26
that album we're talking about Dad son
00:22:28
yeah exactly so so then what happens
00:22:30
they they you get diversion you get in
00:22:33
trouble they just take you home take you
00:22:34
home they tell you to clean your [ __ ]
00:22:36
you clean your thing it was lucky it was
00:22:38
wet so it came off and then I got home
00:22:40
and I'd get a get a hiding yeah from
00:22:42
myom from your mom yeah for being nor
00:22:44
was she um it's funny does sound like
00:22:48
I'm from I'm from a middle class white
00:22:49
family but it was the same sort of thing
00:22:51
I remember being like 14 15 me and my
00:22:53
mates like um this is when you used to
00:22:54
get like little double happy
00:22:56
firecrackers oh like tiny little
00:22:58
Dynamite sticks so we'd go and um me and
00:23:00
a bunch of mates we go like knock on
00:23:01
people's Doors Light one and then run
00:23:02
off and then the police gave me a ride
00:23:05
home and I remember they dropped my
00:23:06
mates off first and then I was last I
00:23:07
was like please can you guys just drop
00:23:08
me around the corner like my dad's going
00:23:10
to give me a going smack and it was like
00:23:12
um it was never it was never like a
00:23:14
beating or anything it was always like a
00:23:15
done in a in the terms of a correctional
00:23:17
sort of environment like put me over the
00:23:19
bed and give me the belt and he'd say
00:23:21
this is going to hurt me more than it
00:23:22
hurts you absolute
00:23:24
[ __ ] I see the Bel but was was your
00:23:27
mom yeah was was it a
00:23:29
controlled
00:23:31
yeah it wasn't like I think a belt is
00:23:35
probably your dad being nice you know
00:23:37
he's found something that's kind of like
00:23:38
I think my mom would just I'm P her out
00:23:41
to be like horrible is no no because
00:23:44
it's um and I I like I share my parents
00:23:46
story as um you know like I suppose a
00:23:48
vulnerability Exchange in a way because
00:23:50
it's like you know your parents do the
00:23:51
best they can tools they've got at that
00:23:53
time yeah F and so well if you imagine
00:23:55
like a growing young boy a a slap's not
00:23:58
going to work anymore so you got to find
00:24:00
other things so how old were you then
00:24:02
with the the spray oh man [ __ ] that's
00:24:05
quite young
00:24:07
to I want to say 13 14 yeah it's kind of
00:24:12
a bit of a blur but it's it's all in
00:24:13
that young teenage um era I was even
00:24:16
drinking at that age where I was
00:24:17
drinking at 12 um yeah Hennessy I
00:24:20
believe according the my here today it's
00:24:24
gross man it's gross it's gross to think
00:24:27
like my daughter's to bro you know I
00:24:29
look at her now and I think [ __ ] I could
00:24:30
not imagine her drinking a bottle of a
00:24:33
40 oz in a park yeah but what what were
00:24:36
you do you just trying to numb the pain
00:24:38
or just like escape yourself or I would
00:24:40
yeah it wasn't even that conscious to be
00:24:42
honest it it was again following the
00:24:44
pack and just trying to just kick it
00:24:46
with with my friends and they were all
00:24:48
into the same thing we all had similar
00:24:50
upbringings similar childhood so we all
00:24:53
it was just the way it was yeah so when
00:24:55
was the when was the last time your mom
00:24:57
disciplined you
00:24:58
I would have been around that AJ cuz I
00:25:00
was just too yeah I'm too big and she
00:25:02
was like oh well [ __ ]
00:25:05
Fu just start saying mean things stupid
00:25:08
yeah well I mean it's yeah it's hard
00:25:11
we'll get to this with you know your
00:25:13
journey with Parenthood as well but it's
00:25:14
like it's hard when you're fulfilling
00:25:15
both roles like you can't be it's hard
00:25:17
to be the nurturing loving mom and also
00:25:20
the disciplinarian of the househ some
00:25:22
way with boys for sure as I am older now
00:25:25
and I look back at it I do I do
00:25:27
understand and she had two roles to play
00:25:30
yeah um and she had to exercise uh what
00:25:33
she did um for the bman of us you know
00:25:35
yeah yeah um there's there's a massive
00:25:39
article I read about you in one of the
00:25:40
papers earlier this year um I think it
00:25:43
was when the TV show The Traders came
00:25:45
out ah sure um you you said in this
00:25:47
article um you didn't think you'd do
00:25:49
very well on a show like Traders cuz you
00:25:51
trying to live your life with um
00:25:52
Integrity now ah yeah yeah I that
00:25:56
interview was that was a while ago was
00:25:59
that this year was this this year but
00:26:01
that that line resonated with me because
00:26:02
I feel like I'm on the same same path
00:26:04
now it's like um I feel like in the past
00:26:07
like my my sort of like playful nature
00:26:09
like if I like someone I'll take the
00:26:11
piss out of them or give them a [ __ ] and
00:26:13
now I you know I know there's a lot of
00:26:15
people that are hurting and I don't I
00:26:16
don't want to make anyone feel bad so I
00:26:18
try and live with Integrity as well but
00:26:20
what what do you mean because it's like
00:26:21
um I was quite puzzled when I read that
00:26:23
line because as I said I've known you
00:26:24
for like the last six to seven years
00:26:26
orever and you've always seemed like a
00:26:28
dude with Integrity to me that's really
00:26:30
that's nice bro thank you I appreciate
00:26:31
that um it's easy to wear mask in front
00:26:34
of people for 30 30
00:26:37
seconds um I think when when all the
00:26:39
cameras are on I can anyone can you know
00:26:42
you can put on a face um and I think
00:26:46
what I meant by Integrity or at least
00:26:48
being a man of integrity was
00:26:51
to to exude it not only in my life but
00:26:54
in my professional life where I feel
00:26:56
like in my professional life I
00:26:58
was i' hit this stroke of success that
00:27:01
I'd never hit before and and no one in
00:27:04
my family had hit with that kind of
00:27:06
actually no I lie my Uncle Slade
00:27:08
mcfallen was a rugby player he had a
00:27:09
mive thing of success but um i' hit the
00:27:13
success from coming from the streets
00:27:14
where I was telling you about and then
00:27:16
to to have to navigate the business
00:27:18
world with like corporates and talk
00:27:21
percentages and like lawyer fees and all
00:27:24
the [ __ ] was like was quite scary for me
00:27:26
so I I
00:27:28
I pretended like I
00:27:29
knew
00:27:31
hey
00:27:33
go yeah I pretended like I knew I put
00:27:36
the face on like fake it till you make
00:27:37
it for sure okay and um and so that
00:27:40
Integrity line was like I'm done with
00:27:42
that I'm going to just be who I am yeah
00:27:45
awesome yeah
00:27:46
yeah so
00:27:48
yeah hey so oh so yeah so you you became
00:27:52
a dad at uh like eight you got pregnant
00:27:55
at 18 dad at 19 19 yeah um um yeah in
00:27:58
this autobiog autobiographical album you
00:28:01
sort of like sing through that and you
00:28:03
talk about um how it was sort of
00:28:04
unplanned and how you got told um what
00:28:08
was your relationship with the mom it
00:28:09
was like a just like a one night stand a
00:28:11
fleeting sort of a brief relationship
00:28:13
yeah the way the song kind of
00:28:15
interpreted it it was like it was like a
00:28:16
one stand and kind of kind of like I I
00:28:21
won't you know for her respect and I've
00:28:23
actually never spoken about her too much
00:28:25
on these things because um um because we
00:28:29
didn't in in a great manner we talk now
00:28:31
of course for Nali sake but um I'd
00:28:34
rather safe face for her so I won't say
00:28:38
too much other than we we
00:28:41
um we were way too young to have a kid
00:28:44
together way too young way too young
00:28:46
yeah and in the song you talk about the
00:28:48
um it's it's funny because you're adults
00:28:50
but you're just very young adults at the
00:28:52
time but a [ __ ] we were adults bro 19 is
00:28:55
I I I consider myself now a late
00:28:57
teenager at this age like even kind of
00:29:00
you saying you you're going into um
00:29:02
therapy at this age like your mind must
00:29:05
be blown with like what you didn't know
00:29:07
about yourself like you must feel that
00:29:08
way yeah yeah I I do and it's exciting
00:29:10
learning the stuff about yourself like
00:29:12
oh that's why I do this thing yeah yeah
00:29:14
for sure and so like that world I feel
00:29:16
like I'm still doing that today so I do
00:29:18
feel like a teenager in a sense that um
00:29:21
of learning yeah and just like what we
00:29:23
were talking about before about your
00:29:24
integrity I think um yeah the fact that
00:29:26
you don't really want to say too much
00:29:27
about
00:29:28
um the baby mama I think that speaks a
00:29:31
lot of Integrity but you made the
00:29:32
decision to to keep it how I don't if
00:29:36
you don't want to get into this St fine
00:29:37
but how did how did you end up being the
00:29:38
so Kira yeah so that that was uh I can
00:29:42
only relay my version of what happened
00:29:44
um we had an arrangement that we were
00:29:47
going to do a split custody thing um and
00:29:50
she felt she had opportunities somewhere
00:29:53
else uh for her career um she took those
00:29:56
opportunities and I stayed with Bubba
00:30:00
and that just went on a lot longer than
00:30:02
I think was anticipated that's my
00:30:04
version of the story I'm sure she'll
00:30:05
tell you something else and that's fine
00:30:07
yeah but you're not talking [ __ ] about
00:30:09
her or anything no no of course not yeah
00:30:11
everyone's got their version but um that
00:30:14
must have been [ __ ]
00:30:15
daunting so you got this baby
00:30:19
um there's a saying like it takes a
00:30:21
takes takes a village to raise a child
00:30:23
or whatever was that that the case with
00:30:24
you did you have like family support I
00:30:26
man
00:30:27
I was so grateful of my family man like
00:30:30
I talk it up like I'm solo dad but Solo
00:30:32
solo to me is that I was a soul career
00:30:34
but man my my mom and dad came to the
00:30:36
party they looked after me and my mental
00:30:39
health they allowed me to pursue music
00:30:41
so whenever I had a gig or like karaoke
00:30:44
night I'd go to these uh gigs and that
00:30:46
would watch them for the night and I'm
00:30:48
grateful for that man honestly grateful
00:30:50
I if I was actually myself and a baby in
00:30:53
a
00:30:54
room who know like that that's
00:30:57
my solo Journey was with my family yeah
00:31:00
and I'm very grateful yeah that's really
00:31:03
cool yeah yeah what so how old is she
00:31:05
now yeah 12 13 bro yeah yeah what's your
00:31:09
what's your relationship like really
00:31:11
really tight yeah tight bro yeah too
00:31:13
tight you know too tight we're best
00:31:15
friends almost to a degree and it's not
00:31:17
good when you're trying to discipline
00:31:19
someone and then she you know you'll be
00:31:22
like hey go do this you're be like nah
00:31:24
I'm like [ __ ] hell you know and um
00:31:26
I've Al I've also tried my best to not
00:31:29
go down beating just because it happened
00:31:32
to me I'm like well I know the benef not
00:31:34
the benefits I know the not benefits of
00:31:37
having that happen um so I've tried my
00:31:41
best to not ever physically thing with
00:31:43
this so we talk so much bro we'll spend
00:31:45
like two hours talking about if she's
00:31:48
done something at school you know and I
00:31:50
have to explain to what she's done and
00:31:51
it's such a long process where and I
00:31:54
even think like oh no wonder mom smacked
00:31:55
me cuz it's like it's easy like Oh shut
00:31:57
the [ __ ] up like I got to go to work you
00:32:00
know yeah that's I I noticed in the um
00:32:04
in in the early days of you I say early
00:32:05
days of your career but after don't
00:32:06
worry about it came out um you you'd
00:32:09
have her on your social media platforms
00:32:11
for about you don't anymore no is that a
00:32:13
conscious decision bro I had a [ __ ]
00:32:17
man you don't know Fame I don't know if
00:32:20
you had that with being on radio all the
00:32:21
time but people recognize you on the
00:32:22
street you you probably get that St now
00:32:24
yeah people to see you out and hey so I
00:32:26
started getting that which was a new
00:32:28
experience and I was cool with that but
00:32:30
someone went up to my daughter and I
00:32:32
wasn't there like I was at the food
00:32:34
court she was in the mall like up up by
00:32:37
the ice cream place and someone went up
00:32:40
to her and was like I love your dad's
00:32:42
music tell him I see it hey and so she
00:32:44
comes back from the ice cream shop and
00:32:46
she's like Dad some guy came up to me
00:32:48
and said that he likes your music and
00:32:49
that was the moment I was like how the
00:32:52
[ __ ] did he know that you're my daughter
00:32:53
this is yuck and so I took her off
00:32:55
everything I had a panic moment
00:32:57
and I was like [ __ ] that I don't want
00:33:00
anyone going up to her and she was too
00:33:02
young for that I felt like yeah how yeah
00:33:05
how old at the time man she was she was
00:33:08
she was in school so five five or six
00:33:11
that seems really inappropriate it's
00:33:12
creepy as [ __ ] broy were you were you
00:33:15
wild like where is he I really did do
00:33:18
that yeah but I don't want to say that
00:33:19
on your thing but I was like where the
00:33:21
[ __ ] is this guy smash him like don't
00:33:23
ever talk to my to me it's just gross
00:33:26
like
00:33:27
yeah it seems really weird you could
00:33:29
just recognize her and go oh cool you
00:33:31
know but the fact that he went up tell
00:33:32
your dad like bro yeah so anyway I I
00:33:36
took her off all my socials I I have her
00:33:39
on now because she's a lot older she
00:33:40
understands a lot more but back then I
00:33:42
was I was very very nervous to have her
00:33:45
outl about yeah so um so 2016 rolls
00:33:50
around don't worry about it comes out
00:33:52
what's the so what's the what's the
00:33:54
story with that because the the the
00:33:56
music video which which is um up to like
00:33:57
3.4 million views on YouTube [ __ ] is it
00:34:00
that's um yeah [ __ ] that's awesome yeah
00:34:03
I I want to get into the finances and
00:34:04
stuff and how what sort of money you get
00:34:06
from from a clip like that I made
00:34:08
Millions um but that that video so so
00:34:12
the video was shot before the song came
00:34:13
out and it shows you at like um one of
00:34:15
those blue sky parties or whatever it is
00:34:17
so so you were performing pre don't
00:34:19
worry about it you know generally yeah
00:34:22
yeah he does the brickfish on George
00:34:23
good dude good friend good friend of
00:34:24
mine like I I he's a family friend
00:34:26
actually so he was helping me get into
00:34:30
the music scene um I dropped a few songs
00:34:33
with Dan Ox from Georgia fil as well and
00:34:36
Jim Lee was like bro do you want to come
00:34:37
to Fiji and I was like [ __ ] like [ __ ]
00:34:39
yeah let's go uh sweet and like they pay
00:34:42
for the tickets and everything and I MC
00:34:45
and I thought while I'm here why not cuz
00:34:46
I'm so MC as in like rapping rapping
00:34:49
yeah yeah like Rapp singing and see
00:34:51
there as a performer but no one really
00:34:54
under mate yeah for sure I was not Kings
00:34:57
at the time and um yeah so I I just
00:35:00
thought I'm never going to be in Fiji
00:35:01
again I should film a music video here
00:35:03
and um that was inspiration literally I
00:35:05
was walking around with the camera Lee
00:35:06
was kind of like bro you're a bit like
00:35:07
what are you doing come and chill with
00:35:08
us I'm like nah Noah n this is my only
00:35:10
opportunity because I'm never going to
00:35:11
make it to Fiji again you know um and I
00:35:14
shot that music video there so so then
00:35:17
how does this how does the song get out
00:35:19
like do you Geor yeah yeah okay so you
00:35:21
put it on Soundcloud or whatever or you
00:35:23
just give like Lee a copy or Dan a copy
00:35:25
yeah I chucked it on SoundCloud um which
00:35:29
for anyone who does a SoundCloud or
00:35:30
thing anymore I don't even know if yeah
00:35:32
SoundCloud kind of like before Spotify
00:35:35
um yeah I checked it up on my Spotify
00:35:38
page oh [ __ ] sorry my SoundCloud page
00:35:40
Georgia fim gave it a couple spins
00:35:42
because I was J's friend and Dan ox and
00:35:45
um nothing happened bro to be honest
00:35:47
three months go by nothing happens it
00:35:49
gets like maybe 2,000 spins I'm thinking
00:35:52
that's a lot of spins for me
00:35:54
2,000 um and I would say in the 3 four
00:35:58
month Mark [ __ ] just started getting
00:36:01
crazy like i' would get an email from
00:36:03
Capital Records being like hi did you
00:36:04
release the song tomor about it I'm like
00:36:06
yeah like would like to talk to you
00:36:07
about a deal and I'm like what like
00:36:09
Capital Records and Island records and
00:36:12
Warner and Sony
00:36:13
and just from just from being played on
00:36:16
George just being on yeah just being out
00:36:18
was was there a moment that you felt the
00:36:20
sort of ground swell like oh I don't
00:36:21
know where this is going to go going it
00:36:23
was about 3 four months in yeah yeah so
00:36:25
again like a normal release you just
00:36:26
drop a song and then you hope for the
00:36:27
best right um and that's what I did and
00:36:29
I just did not expect it to do what it
00:36:32
did and yeah really yeah that's
00:36:35
interesting because I feel like it's
00:36:36
it's one of those songs as soon as you
00:36:37
hear it as soon as you hear those
00:36:39
opening oo and as's just makes you feel
00:36:42
a certain way I feel like you know it
00:36:44
just Rigs of a head yeah yeah RI I me
00:36:47
yeah did did you not feel that I can
00:36:48
confidently say no I didn't think it I
00:36:51
was I was sure I liked it that was all I
00:36:54
knew I knew I liked it and and I knew
00:36:57
that I was happy with the
00:36:58
beat and that's it bro yeah so you just
00:37:01
had no expect I suppose you had nothing
00:37:02
to go on like no yeah I didn't even know
00:37:04
what exactly bro I didn't know what a
00:37:05
hit was so yeah so yeah so um so play
00:37:09
plays on George and then other radio
00:37:11
like um The Edge where I jumped on
00:37:13
that's where we got to catch up yeah our
00:37:15
ZM they they jump on it as well and um
00:37:18
yeah how fast do you think that was from
00:37:20
there cuz I feel like that was quick
00:37:24
like once I got on the edge and ZM cuz
00:37:26
you guys were the at the time the
00:37:28
stations like the mainstream we hit you
00:37:31
guys it's like game over cross over
00:37:33
exactly yeah do do is Radio is still
00:37:34
important does it still have a place oh
00:37:38
man it's hard to like because the reason
00:37:41
I bring this up because I I noticed um
00:37:44
when I was researching this interview um
00:37:46
so don't worry about it massive on
00:37:48
Spotify but you've got a song called six
00:37:50
figur which i' hand on heart never heard
00:37:52
of yeah right that's got more listens on
00:37:55
Spotify that's had no radio play that
00:37:56
did pretty well too yeah uh mym jumped
00:37:58
on that actually oh but but I don't
00:38:00
think it was the success of that song
00:38:02
was um I guess the same thing bro like I
00:38:05
really enjoyed the process of making it
00:38:07
I like the song it was the first time
00:38:09
I'd seen six figures in my bank account
00:38:11
that was literally why I wrote the song
00:38:13
six what was that from like an advance
00:38:15
from uh uh it was a deal that I did yeah
00:38:17
wow a deal and it was yeah just it was
00:38:20
over six fig it was a six fig deal um
00:38:22
[ __ ] from from who uh yeah without
00:38:25
getting into too much detail it was just
00:38:27
like a a couple contracts one after the
00:38:30
other I can kind of say what it it was
00:38:32
like a so the in New Zealand thing was
00:38:33
like a big thing we we don't have to
00:38:35
talk about that but I did it oh the
00:38:36
safety video that was a pretty big
00:38:38
that's right I forgot about the safety
00:38:39
video yeah you and was it Julian
00:38:41
Dennison Julian Dennison and um another
00:38:43
rapper called uh oh I forget the name oh
00:38:45
mayard mayard [ __ ] no way you got like
00:38:48
100k for no no no I want exactly I I
00:38:51
would say that um but I will say it was
00:38:55
a culmination of things in that time
00:38:57
right okay so you just had the money
00:38:59
just started piling up did it yeah you
00:39:01
look back now did feel like it happened
00:39:03
quite sudden suddenly quite quickly from
00:39:05
don't worry about it
00:39:07
yeah like just like an exponential curve
00:39:10
yeah yeah bro really did yeah yeah yeah
00:39:12
for sure I don't think anyone could be
00:39:14
prepared for something like that to be
00:39:15
honest CRA I put I put on a bunch of
00:39:17
weight yeah it was crazy I remember I
00:39:21
remember not being sure who to trust do
00:39:24
you know what I mean like even some of
00:39:25
my friends that I had talked to in a
00:39:26
long time time popped up again and I was
00:39:28
like how cool but then I'm thinking like
00:39:31
wait why are they popping up I didn't
00:39:32
even ask the question cuz you don't and
00:39:35
then you kind of see them hanging around
00:39:36
more and weird things and you feel like
00:39:40
they're always saying your name like oh
00:39:41
yo yo bro the bro yeah and I'm like we
00:39:44
weren't this close I don't remember
00:39:46
being this close yeah I mean I I I I
00:39:49
can't relate but I can imagine that's a
00:39:51
level of um sudden Fame could be quite
00:39:53
isolating yeah it was isolating that's
00:39:54
actually the right word I felt alone in
00:39:57
a time where I was surrounded by people
00:40:00
um I never get it at well I think I
00:40:02
think yeah so um here number one for 33
00:40:07
weeks how how does that happen so the
00:40:09
previous uh longest stay at number one I
00:40:11
think was Lord with Royals which was
00:40:12
like 16 weeks how does it I and I I went
00:40:15
back through to look at some of the
00:40:16
chats and it's it's not like it was a
00:40:18
dry spell in music where there was no
00:40:19
competition you know there was some big
00:40:21
names bro yeah it was probably when
00:40:23
Justin Bieber was at his Peak U chain
00:40:25
smokers were at their Peak there was a
00:40:26
lot of competition how do you start is
00:40:28
that from like radio airplays or
00:40:30
spotifly listens or I'll give a shout
00:40:32
out to Warner for that one what Warner
00:40:34
I've signed to Warner for that single um
00:40:36
huge shout out to Warner shout out to
00:40:37
Marty shout out to Phil uh they they
00:40:41
orchestrated that whole thing they
00:40:42
actually taught me how to create a hit
00:40:45
the song was a hit like as you said you
00:40:47
heard it as a hit but there's a machine
00:40:49
behind it bro and it's like it's so
00:40:53
exciting to watch you know you got this
00:40:55
radio on to at this time we going to do
00:40:56
a photo shoot here that n's going to
00:40:58
talk to Nike and Nike's it's like this
00:40:59
beautiful machine uh that I had the
00:41:02
privil privilege of watching them do for
00:41:04
don't worry about it and I emulated it
00:41:06
for six figes yeah see so so how did
00:41:09
Warners come along so they hear they
00:41:11
hear it on George or the E whatever and
00:41:12
then yeah so shout out to Matt hland who
00:41:15
was my first manager my first proper
00:41:16
manager oh was he yeah you know mat I
00:41:18
love Matt oh yes he's a good he looked
00:41:20
after me he's the one who started my my
00:41:22
thing I don't know that of course you
00:41:24
would know him actually from no no met
00:41:26
him when he was at um maybe at Warner
00:41:28
and um we we went on a trip to beach
00:41:31
came roll in Fiji with fur Patrol he was
00:41:33
looking after fur Patrol at the time yes
00:41:35
he's been looking after a lot of artist
00:41:36
and so I got a um email from Jay
00:41:40
bulletproof has passed away since p and
00:41:43
he said yo you got to talk to Matt hund
00:41:45
um he will look after you with all these
00:41:46
emails coming in he's the guy so got on
00:41:49
a call with Matt I think he was on his
00:41:50
honeymoon uh with step and he goes well
00:41:54
I'll call you back next week and he
00:41:55
calls me next week we do a deal and
00:41:58
within a month he's like got a deal with
00:42:01
w a good deal too like a really cool
00:42:02
deal and don't worry about it comes out
00:42:06
and the rest is kind of history from
00:42:07
from there on like but don't worry about
00:42:09
it was already out right yeah yeah sorry
00:42:11
no no no sorry no yes don't worry about
00:42:14
it was already out on my SoundCloud but
00:42:16
it hadn't officially been okay uh
00:42:18
released to radio yeah and and did they
00:42:21
they try and were they okay with the
00:42:22
music video no no they [ __ ] hated it
00:42:27
cuz like I mean it's um you look at it
00:42:29
now and it's like there's there's apps
00:42:31
on your phone where you can put a video
00:42:32
like that together but um was the first
00:42:34
one to do it yeah I was going to say
00:42:35
that you were the innovator no one else
00:42:36
was doing this at the time I feel like
00:42:38
you know so funny say that a lot of
00:42:41
people thought that it was corny cuz it
00:42:43
like if you look at it it looks like a
00:42:45
home style video it's like quite Hy
00:42:47
almost but I remember thinking like this
00:42:49
is cool cuz it
00:42:51
encapsulates what it was it was a dude
00:42:53
on holiday in fij like it wasn't a music
00:42:56
video with a super budget but yeah
00:42:58
Warner hated it Warner were like ah this
00:43:01
[ __ ]
00:43:03
sucks what did they want to do did they
00:43:05
have like a treatment that they wanted
00:43:06
to do yeah yeah they
00:43:09
did it was [ __ ] um they wanted me to be
00:43:13
around some pretty girls and be singing
00:43:15
on a beach in camera and I politely
00:43:19
turned it down I just thought it because
00:43:20
you don't like beaches you
00:43:22
don't no I just bro I just was dumb
00:43:26
felt dumb where where did where did that
00:43:28
confidence come from to say no to that
00:43:30
cuz you know what I was saying before
00:43:31
that where my dad came in that's I'm
00:43:32
saying that's the walk walk T stuff I
00:43:34
came around there cuz my dad was was
00:43:36
around and he used to ask me questions
00:43:39
and that's kind of how he fathers he'll
00:43:40
be like he won't even say no he'll say
00:43:43
what do you think and like you know so
00:43:46
similar with the music video is like do
00:43:47
you want to shoot another video and I'll
00:43:48
be like not really you be like why and
00:43:51
I'll be oh I think the videoos go the
00:43:53
South okay
00:43:55
cool that's your answer so then I'd go
00:43:57
back and say I think the video is good
00:43:58
by itself but that that that takes a lot
00:44:01
of confidence I I think to to stand up
00:44:03
for that you know because you're like
00:44:06
the this is their job they know what
00:44:07
they're doing what the [ __ ] do I know
00:44:10
yeah um to have I think that's his um
00:44:12
says a lot about you because it' be easy
00:44:13
to just just Buckle yeah confidence is a
00:44:16
cool word like ignorance could be
00:44:18
another way of putting it like stupid
00:44:20
and ignorant like I mean POS as
00:44:23
confidence I uh I appreciate the
00:44:26
compliment bro yeah I I like to think
00:44:28
now I'm more confident but I think back
00:44:30
then there was a lot
00:44:31
of ignorance and probably me thinking I
00:44:34
knew what was right like you said in
00:44:36
front of someone who's done this for
00:44:38
years I thought I knew what was right
00:44:40
and a bit kind of me I think Kanye wiy
00:44:43
of me to to try to do that oh no that's
00:44:46
really cool and then um so so when a
00:44:48
song goes to number one it stays there
00:44:49
for 33 weeks do you get much money from
00:44:52
that no no so the money comes from like
00:44:55
like the deal live shows yeah yeah yeah
00:44:59
so what do you what do you get like it's
00:45:02
the biggest song ever you know gets
00:45:03
played on the radio every 3 hours or
00:45:05
whatever for couple of months you get
00:45:08
you get like some money from that yeah
00:45:09
for sure it's like a royalty um how much
00:45:11
is it just [ __ ] all no it's just it's a
00:45:14
bit way to say it is
00:45:16
like it's quarterly so so it's in the
00:45:20
long term it's actually a lot of money
00:45:22
but in the short quarterly period it
00:45:23
seems like not much you know um for a
00:45:26
number one hit song like everyone saying
00:45:27
yo you got the number one hit I'm like
00:45:29
do I kind of get
00:45:32
guess so yeah it's if I could put a
00:45:36
figure on it back then I can barely
00:45:37
remember but it was I want to say
00:45:41
1,500 every two months yeah yeah it's
00:45:45
not a lot a no it it doesn't sound like
00:45:47
much but like still today it's kind of
00:45:49
like that right so like since six years
00:45:51
ago that's plus the other hit songs plus
00:45:53
the other songs it starts to make sense
00:45:56
but um at the time it's like I got a
00:45:57
number one song and this is this is all
00:46:00
you get in roties yeah okay so so that's
00:46:03
um from Radio the money that radio p and
00:46:05
then um so SP Spotify it's like 25
00:46:07
million listens or something you get
00:46:09
much money from thato it's
00:46:11
0.008 cents per Stream So I mean do the
00:46:15
math I don't even know what that is I
00:46:16
think it's like 257 streams for
00:46:20
$1 something like that bro yeah wow
00:46:23
that's crazy so if if you're Ed here and
00:46:25
think out loud it's fine yeah you're
00:46:27
good yeah [ __ ] you're you're all good
00:46:29
and and then and then YouTube is you
00:46:31
YouTube all right so I think is a bit
00:46:33
better yeah but um yeah it's all again
00:46:36
little pieces of the pie it makes a nice
00:46:39
pie yeah um it's it's still chicken feed
00:46:41
though is it isn't it really from the
00:46:43
the song itself for the for yeah to to
00:46:45
be called the number one hit guy for
00:46:46
sure like you would think because
00:46:48
everyone's like yo you're the dude and
00:46:50
um yeah I'm grateful for all of it
00:46:53
though bro I don't I don't want to sound
00:46:54
like I'm not oh no it's just just an
00:46:56
interesting interesting Insight because
00:46:58
I suppose there's this um yeah I mean
00:47:00
through my years in radio saw so many
00:47:02
people that you know were very good
00:47:04
musicians and bands whatever and they
00:47:05
end up just giving up because it's just
00:47:07
hard it's hard bro it's hard it's hard
00:47:08
[ __ ] workout there like for every for
00:47:10
every I don't know 660 or Dave doin you
00:47:13
know there's uh there's someone that's
00:47:15
struggling to put food on the table 100%
00:47:18
so so then so the money comes in from
00:47:19
other things so you do like a live show
00:47:21
you get five grand 10 grand yeah live
00:47:23
shows are cool you get a couple grand
00:47:24
for that and then you also get um the
00:47:27
royalties and also on top of that
00:47:28
sponsorships so like you know I might do
00:47:31
a deal with I haven't done with with
00:47:32
Nike but like Nike might approach me
00:47:34
into you heard of Nike yeah you know
00:47:36
those those little
00:47:38
guys so yeah and like so a combination
00:47:41
of those things you end up being able to
00:47:43
form a bit of a business yeah and merch
00:47:45
selling merch and yeah yeah have you
00:47:47
done all right are you doing all right
00:47:49
yeah yeah good bro yeah yeah you managed
00:47:51
like did you buy a property or anything
00:47:53
or no there a [ __ ] the one one thing
00:47:56
I should have done I um So Co happened
00:47:59
at a weird time bro for me I was about
00:48:00
to tour China um I'd been doing a bunch
00:48:03
of stuff in Hong Kong um and we sit up
00:48:05
with like man it was a 15 show tour in
00:48:08
China um which was going to be real
00:48:10
lucrative for me and for the people and
00:48:13
I set up an alcohol company there as
00:48:15
well so we're going to sell the liquor
00:48:16
as well so we're going to have Monopoly
00:48:18
on the the
00:48:20
gig um Co hit and everything we've done
00:48:24
up to that point just crashed bro I
00:48:26
couldn't go over there to see the agents
00:48:27
we they couldn't come here um it was a
00:48:30
mess and so up until that point I really
00:48:34
felt like I was on this high of like I'm
00:48:37
going to be in Forbes one day like you
00:48:39
know I I felt that way where after Co
00:48:42
humbled me in a way where I was like I
00:48:44
actually got to get smart with my money
00:48:45
and that was when property came in and I
00:48:48
was a bit
00:48:49
too uh what's the word excited to to
00:48:52
look that way um now I have the wisdom I
00:48:56
I definitely would think a lot smarter
00:48:57
than I do yeah yeah oh yeah speaking of
00:49:00
Co so um your partner's here today hello
00:49:04
and you guys um you guys got together
00:49:06
pre just pre-co oh yeah so just on the
00:49:09
verge of the bubble
00:49:11
right ah she she doesn't she actually
00:49:14
doesn't know who I how long how long has
00:49:16
it been like four years yeah three three
00:49:19
four yeah oh 2020 yeah 23 yeah yeah is
00:49:24
this is there a long relationship for
00:49:26
you are you you a relationship guy are
00:49:30
you yeah yeah it's is quite short the
00:49:32
only thing it's 3 years long or short I
00:49:34
re it's getting it's getting quite long
00:49:36
um you know I wanted to bring this up
00:49:39
because of um I'm just like intrigued
00:49:41
about the um like the complexities of um
00:49:44
having a partner when you're you know
00:49:45
you're raising a child as well like she
00:49:48
also has a child oh they would make
00:49:50
things
00:49:51
easier yeah that's a good question I
00:49:54
think in terms of the understanding side
00:49:56
like oh yeah actually yeah so so so you
00:49:59
when you're when you're dating like when
00:50:01
like did you you say it on the first
00:50:03
date or like hey I'm a dad I've got a
00:50:05
daughter no no unless I know that they
00:50:08
uh how do I say this [ __ ]
00:50:11
out if I know I'm just going to have fun
00:50:14
I tap and G yeah yeah then then no not
00:50:17
at all like what's the point yeah yeah
00:50:19
yeah yeah but um well it's transactional
00:50:21
at that point isn't it they don't need
00:50:22
to know
00:50:24
care where I think were were you were
00:50:27
you a bit of a Manor and and and they
00:50:30
don't worry about it D no no no don't
00:50:32
worry about it D no it's just when pre
00:50:34
don't worry about it yeah yeah when I'm
00:50:35
no when I'm single bro so I was actually
00:50:38
in a relationship during don't worry
00:50:39
about it and um when I'm single I just
00:50:43
get get uh excited yeah and so when I
00:50:47
was actually single during after my
00:50:49
breakup with the don't worry about it
00:50:51
partner I was Kings for the first time
00:50:54
and I'd had money for the first time
00:50:55
yeah so there was a lot of fun to be had
00:50:58
that I hadn't had I suppose it goes back
00:51:01
to like what you were saying before
00:51:02
about you when don't worry about it came
00:51:03
out how you didn't know who to trust or
00:51:05
whatever I suppose it's the same with
00:51:06
with with women as well it's
00:51:08
like are they just using me and if if so
00:51:12
I'm fine with that but that's what the
00:51:13
relationship is yeah yeah I don't yeah
00:51:15
that's actually I don't think I ever
00:51:16
looked at it that way because like you
00:51:18
said it was transactional it was always
00:51:20
like ah [ __ ] it we'll go out on a cruise
00:51:22
or whatever it's all good um
00:51:25
yeah yeah you're you're right it's kind
00:51:27
of transaction was such a yuck way to
00:51:29
put it but it's the right way to put it
00:51:31
it's like we we know what we're doing
00:51:33
you're getting something out of it
00:51:34
they're getting something out I'm say
00:51:35
everyone wins yeah yeah so that that was
00:51:37
definitely it was a fun transactional
00:51:42
period oh gosh well so so so with with
00:51:47
Partners it's like I suppose you got to
00:51:48
be like super s of protective of your of
00:51:51
your daughter like at what at what point
00:51:53
do you did you introduce partners to
00:51:55
them I think what you said was cool
00:51:56
actually like with us we that
00:51:59
understanding of like School drop offs
00:52:01
and like um I've got to do this thing
00:52:04
with kid my my son's got soccer my
00:52:06
daughter's got Nall like it's not you
00:52:09
don't have to explain it you know it's
00:52:10
just like yeah got it cool I'll see you
00:52:12
later um where I think with someone who
00:52:14
doesn't have a kid will be like School
00:52:16
drop off every day at 3:00 oh so I yeah
00:52:19
you never have any time for me exactly
00:52:21
exactly so um there is definitely a
00:52:23
benefit in that um parenting Styles
00:52:25
comes up like we've talked about our
00:52:27
parenting Styles we have different she
00:52:29
has a son have a daughter um so we have
00:52:32
different ways of communicating you know
00:52:35
and um that's been challenging for us
00:52:37
but it's it's it's all like it's all in
00:52:39
stride bro it's all actually like
00:52:41
quite if you got the fundamentals
00:52:44
communication anything's all good and
00:52:46
and what about what about your daughter
00:52:48
um wanting to call anyone mom has that
00:52:51
has that ever I know what you're talking
00:52:53
about yeah
00:52:54
[ __ ]
00:52:56
oh yeah she's she's had too many moms
00:52:59
over the
00:53:02
years oh man that's I heard you on
00:53:05
another podcast tell tell yeah yeah
00:53:07
that's the uh see so yeah you want to
00:53:10
retell it or no not really we don't have
00:53:12
to no no well like let's just say during
00:53:15
the transactional phase of my life she
00:53:18
accidentally said hey you're my mom to
00:53:21
someone after after she walked in and
00:53:24
you
00:53:27
horizontally
00:53:29
next okay um yeah I'm in the dog box now
00:53:34
because I'm walking home I think you you
00:53:36
you seem to be um one one of these one
00:53:39
of these people and I I can relate to
00:53:41
some of these traits like you're feels
00:53:42
like you're always looking forward
00:53:43
you're always looking at what's next
00:53:44
what's next what what's next but have
00:53:46
you have you had like chance to like
00:53:48
pause and reflect about some of the
00:53:50
accomplishments and some of the pinch
00:53:51
myself moments and it was bro Co like I
00:53:54
said was the thing that did it like only
00:53:57
by the grace of God that that would
00:53:58
happen you know otherwise I would have
00:54:00
keept sprinting I'm just that way wir so
00:54:04
Co kind of forced me to sit down look at
00:54:08
my life look at my family look at my
00:54:10
finances look at everything and have an
00:54:12
honest chat with myself um so yeah but
00:54:16
honestly if I didn't if Co didn't happen
00:54:18
I probably would be in China right now
00:54:22
being a touring artist and having a
00:54:24
whole different life to the world
00:54:26
yeah yeah well could you go to China now
00:54:29
or you just not interested it's wasn't
00:54:30
it was just there was a time yeah there
00:54:32
was a time you know a time for it rap
00:54:34
wasn't really a thing in China well now
00:54:37
it's actually a lot popular but we were
00:54:38
kind of in the precipice of it becoming
00:54:40
cool so um yeah I I don't I just think
00:54:43
it's the timing probably wouldn't be
00:54:45
great now yeah there were some amazing
00:54:46
things way that happened as a result of
00:54:48
that like um you Financial reward and
00:54:50
whatever else aside like um opening for
00:54:53
TLC did you open for d
00:54:55
I no I got to meet Julie P you at the
00:54:58
edge I feel like I met her I met her at
00:54:59
Warner and I think I met her at the edge
00:55:01
as well right she come to the edge okay
00:55:03
yeah yeah yes she did yeah yeah yeah oh
00:55:05
you just made it there like as a you you
00:55:07
just waiting outside with your phone for
00:55:08
a
00:55:09
selfie it was that time and then at
00:55:11
Warner she was at Warner and Ed Sher um
00:55:14
was there as well yeah that's kind of
00:55:16
the beauty of being with Warner like an
00:55:18
label sorry you get to see all these
00:55:21
famous people yeah I so so what happened
00:55:23
there so Warner's um sort of like smed
00:55:25
you or and and that they got you to sign
00:55:27
and you've got your own thing now
00:55:28
Archangel Archangel record Archangel big
00:55:31
fun so so you got out of your recording
00:55:33
contract with Warners how come uh I
00:55:36
think it was for me a matter
00:55:42
of I I can't
00:55:45
say anything mean about them because
00:55:47
they actually taught me the game and I
00:55:50
got huge huge love for Phil Jeremy
00:55:52
everyone that was up there um you can be
00:55:54
mean if you want that Mitch James was on
00:55:55
here and he shared on Sony pretty
00:55:58
hard Mitch is a good s yeah yeah no no
00:56:02
no I appreciate him and I I appreciate
00:56:03
you and um yeah and it's quite funny
00:56:06
like um you you really do like like walk
00:56:10
the you walk the walk don't you like you
00:56:11
talk about living with integrity and
00:56:13
then you you just never you never waver
00:56:15
from that no man you're not [ __ ] on
00:56:18
anyone there's no need to you know
00:56:20
people are [ __ ] on everyone bro the
00:56:22
world sucks sometimes um yeah I don't
00:56:25
like to Aid in that but I will
00:56:27
say I was a young a young upand
00:56:31
cominging kid and I felt
00:56:34
like again you might think it's
00:56:36
confidence but I did feel like now
00:56:37
looking back I might have been just
00:56:38
ignorant that I was like I can do this I
00:56:41
don't need you that was really the thing
00:56:44
talk to my manager I was like look I
00:56:45
want to get out of this contract I think
00:56:47
I want to do it myself I want to take
00:56:48
complete ownership um and my manager got
00:56:53
in with them and we we got out the
00:56:55
contract then I started our yeah so for
00:56:58
for the naive like what is the what is
00:57:00
the pros and cons of like being an
00:57:02
independent artist versus being on a
00:57:04
label that's that's a [ __ ] awesome
00:57:06
from from like a perspective of someone
00:57:07
that's been in radio for many years it's
00:57:08
like they have people called pluggers
00:57:10
that come in yes and their job is to
00:57:12
basically speak to the radio they do
00:57:13
that yeah I believe so yeah so they'll
00:57:16
they'll come in and they'll be you'll be
00:57:17
like what's known as a priority artist
00:57:19
yeah yeah so they'll be like oh you know
00:57:20
Warners will come and say they'll be
00:57:22
like oh new Ean song new DOA song and if
00:57:25
you edit the King song and they'll
00:57:26
they'll they'll be like a you know like
00:57:27
a squeaky wheel that gets the oil
00:57:30
they'll push you hard I do remember that
00:57:32
that I I wondered if that was still
00:57:33
thing now just because of Spotify but it
00:57:35
probably is
00:57:37
um yeah so during during the label days
00:57:42
you have everything taken care of I
00:57:44
don't know if you've probably done this
00:57:45
all yourself for the most part right
00:57:47
yeah so the label would do it I'll would
00:57:49
just be like I want two microphones this
00:57:51
I want two cameras they'll be like
00:57:52
gotcha and they would do it whereas
00:57:54
dependent you're the one [ __ ] hanging
00:57:56
up the chain you're the one getting the
00:57:57
sign writer emailing so it's literally
00:58:01
having a team that's really the benefit
00:58:04
um also the the downfall is you're
00:58:07
paying that team so you're paying them
00:58:09
you know yeah and often you don't yeah I
00:58:12
mean it's a trick for young artists
00:58:13
isn't it like you don't realize but it's
00:58:14
like the advance that you get it's not
00:58:17
it's not a gift it's coming out of your
00:58:19
potential future earnings for sure and
00:58:21
so that as well when I realized when I
00:58:23
had successful six and a couple other
00:58:25
solo songs um I
00:58:28
realized the work that goes into it but
00:58:30
I also realized the revenue that comes
00:58:32
from it um I almost like texed my money
00:58:35
I honestly just from that one move yeah
00:58:38
wow my royalty checks changed they a lot
00:58:40
bigger my you everything changed like
00:58:43
yeah was was it um was it a you know a
00:58:45
blood bath at the time was it a nasty
00:58:47
split or was it no man no and that's why
00:58:49
I say i' love to war it because yeah it
00:58:51
was kind of this thing where it was like
00:58:52
well I'm going to stay here and be
00:58:54
miserable you're going to hate me or we
00:58:56
can just end this and it was it was
00:58:57
amicable I still talked to Phil who
00:59:00
who's part of Warner and I got love for
00:59:01
him man he's man who's that Phil howling
00:59:03
yeah yeah good dude they all they're all
00:59:05
nice people everyone's just doing their
00:59:07
best and doing a job bu and and um so
00:59:10
did they have the rights to don't worry
00:59:12
about it I think they still do now or it
00:59:14
might just be up now so I it should be
00:59:16
back in my ownership right yeah yeah was
00:59:18
was was that a tussle to get it back or
00:59:20
oh just contract in the contract yeah so
00:59:22
now I could yeah re-release it with the
00:59:24
who knows might just hold it for a
00:59:26
little bit and just like ah come back
00:59:28
baby welcome home otherwise otherwise
00:59:30
you could have you could have let them
00:59:31
have it and done like um King's version
00:59:33
like Taylor yeah yeah yeah
00:59:36
true that reminds me so you what so that
00:59:38
song don't worry about it what so um you
00:59:41
you played it to your dad when you first
00:59:42
wrote it and your dad was like H the
00:59:44
lyrics are a bit [ __ ] or something like
00:59:45
that no no no so we're in um we're in
00:59:48
fakat and it was just a Christmas thing
00:59:52
and this the story that
00:59:55
that is kind of the most common story
00:59:57
and it it's the right story but there
00:59:58
was another part to I had I was sitting
01:00:00
on the beat for months from I just love
01:00:03
the beat I was like the beat sick cuz
01:00:05
you know the O as that that's the song
01:00:07
in itself makes you feel a certain way
01:00:09
as soon as it starts yeah yeah there's a
01:00:11
few songs like that like another one
01:00:12
that Springs to mind like for me
01:00:13
personally music so subjective is um
01:00:15
would be clocks from Coldplay as soon as
01:00:17
you hear that piano at the begin D D D D
01:00:20
D just makes you feel a certain way your
01:00:21
your song has the exact same effect on
01:00:23
MEC how that's another yeah sick yeah
01:00:26
the guitar ding ding ding ding yeah so
01:00:28
that was it for me I was like the beat
01:00:30
I'm sold um and then as I was writing
01:00:32
the lyrics uh we just had no cash I had
01:00:35
no money at the time and it was kind of
01:00:38
like a don't worry about it like my dad
01:00:40
was just like oh don't worry about it
01:00:41
it's going to be cool and my daughter's
01:00:43
on the playground and run free boy
01:00:46
runfree that's what I would have said to
01:00:48
the young me was literally the lyric as
01:00:50
I'm looking at her on the playground um
01:00:53
that's what started it um um yeah bro
01:00:56
and like I said you never know it's
01:00:57
going to be you never know maybe there
01:00:59
are people like maybe Michael Jackson
01:01:01
knew he was going to be a hit record guy
01:01:02
but I I you just don't know like I still
01:01:05
release songs now that get a lot of love
01:01:07
and I'll be like [ __ ] cool so that's the
01:01:09
one like you can never really know since
01:01:13
then have you had like
01:01:14
a had a thing where you write a song and
01:01:17
you're like is this going to be is this
01:01:19
going to be another don't worry about it
01:01:21
ah right you mean like the um like
01:01:22
almost like chasing chasing that
01:01:25
game prob you know what I feel like I've
01:01:27
done it like I've done it enough times
01:01:30
to not be scared to release what I want
01:01:33
now like uh six figers had massive
01:01:36
success you you do which was another
01:01:38
single um helped me out yeah help me out
01:01:41
some mess for yeah yeah so I've had some
01:01:42
I've had that success enough times for
01:01:45
me to go like cool now what do I want to
01:01:47
release like now I've done the
01:01:49
commercial success route um as an artist
01:01:52
whatever I want to say and I think
01:01:53
that's where where I've been at for that
01:01:54
album anyway this the most recent one
01:01:56
yeah yeah and um oh there there's
01:01:58
another really good song which um had a
01:02:00
little bit of radio play it's probably
01:02:01
my favorite song for you like the
01:02:02
rebound one rebound oh oh um with the
01:02:05
whistle I feel bad for your
01:02:07
rebound temporary me temporary me yeah
01:02:10
that's right that's a great how did you
01:02:11
not
01:02:12
remember a couple a couple songs yeah
01:02:15
how many you're quite a prolific
01:02:16
songwriter right yeah bro over a
01:02:18
thousand man for sure wow yeah but
01:02:20
that's in this span of how many years
01:02:23
we've been doing long time yeah so so
01:02:25
yesterday when you couldn't come over
01:02:26
and do the podcast because you were
01:02:27
writing do you is it because you're like
01:02:30
I've got something I need to I need to
01:02:31
put pin to paper or do you like have no
01:02:34
tomorrow at 10:00 to midday I'm writing
01:02:36
and you just sit down with a blank what
01:02:38
are youing it's a it's just in and out
01:02:41
yeah yeah it's
01:02:43
like bro like it's a bad thing actually
01:02:46
I think so like when inspiration hits
01:02:48
I'll kind of just hit it like on like
01:02:50
straight away and sometimes that will
01:02:52
take me out of being a dad you know like
01:02:56
I'll have a commitment that I'm like
01:02:57
[ __ ] and I'll get stressed and feel
01:03:00
things so it's like that's like an ADHD
01:03:02
thing Hy yeah I wonder if it is I wonder
01:03:05
if like yeah my mom was like yeah you
01:03:07
you were diagnosed and I was like [ __ ] I
01:03:10
don't know because the way I understand
01:03:12
ad ADH is you can't focus but then I can
01:03:16
very I can hyper Focus yeah well that's
01:03:18
a that's the confusing thing about it I
01:03:20
I reckon I've got it as well but these
01:03:22
things were never diagnosed when I was
01:03:23
when I was a
01:03:25
um but yeah you find it hard to focus
01:03:27
but then you can you can hyperfixate on
01:03:28
something when you hyper fixate on
01:03:29
something apparently it's you're like a
01:03:31
dog with aw toy and you just want to get
01:03:34
it done and you lose hours that's
01:03:36
another form of yeah yeah it's a maybe I
01:03:39
got it bro [ __ ] I know what does it
01:03:42
matter it doesn't matter oh you so so
01:03:44
what what were the original lyrics that
01:03:46
you d challenge you on I wasn't that he
01:03:48
CH it was just that I was writing it in
01:03:49
here he just he came up with the he was
01:03:51
just like oh don't like don't worry
01:03:52
about it it was literally the lyric that
01:03:53
stuck
01:03:54
like don't worry about that we didn't
01:03:56
have money don't worry about that
01:03:57
everything's going to be okay and that
01:03:59
was the thought that stuck with me right
01:04:01
but I was I was
01:04:03
writing just just writing yeah and how
01:04:06
did how did you sort of meend your
01:04:07
relationship with your dad it was it was
01:04:10
quite badly fra today it was bad I feel
01:04:12
like you you were quite like burned or
01:04:13
scarred from the experience for sure
01:04:15
yeah I think I think any young boy is
01:04:18
you know uh who doesn't have a a male
01:04:21
role model
01:04:23
um we how did we start
01:04:28
that I was still doing counseling and I
01:04:31
did a course called have you heard of
01:04:33
landmark bro landmark forum no I don't
01:04:37
think I have okay so it's like a
01:04:38
communication course or like a tools of
01:04:41
course and
01:04:43
um that really helped
01:04:46
me heal a lot of that relationship like
01:04:49
just that course um the course kind of
01:04:53
forces you to
01:04:55
to to do things that have always been on
01:04:58
your mind a good example is like if I
01:04:59
ask you is there someone in your life
01:05:01
right now that you you need to have a
01:05:02
conversation with and if whoever the
01:05:03
person is that just came to mind call
01:05:05
them so that's kind of what the C oh my
01:05:07
god there so many people yeah and so
01:05:09
that that's what the course does it's
01:05:10
like gives you a list and it's like call
01:05:12
them all and say exactly what that thing
01:05:14
is like boom boom boom so I call my dad
01:05:16
in the course I'm like I [ __ ] hate
01:05:18
you you know you you were never there
01:05:20
blah blah blah blah blah and and then I
01:05:22
call my mom and I'm like
01:05:24
don't hurt me please don't beat me up
01:05:27
but I don't like you either you
01:05:29
know is that kind of I know you're kind
01:05:31
of joking but is that sort of like the
01:05:32
tone of the convers a bit of that you
01:05:34
know of course you're always going to be
01:05:35
especially when you're kind of I was 15
01:05:37
around then yeah yeah supposed you had a
01:05:39
lot of stuff to get out for sure and so
01:05:42
yeah so I called my dad and I'm like you
01:05:43
know you were never there and all these
01:05:45
things and then he just replied like
01:05:48
it's all good I love you and so it was
01:05:51
gone like kind of in that phone call
01:05:53
like obviously there was a lot more to
01:05:54
heal but that
01:05:56
initial bridge that we couldn't cross
01:05:58
for so long was was obliterated yeah and
01:06:01
from there just cuz he sort of like
01:06:02
neutralized it he didn't come back and
01:06:03
say well [ __ ] you you don't know this
01:06:05
[ __ ] story your mom didn't let me do
01:06:07
this it wasn't competitive it was very
01:06:09
like
01:06:11
understanding it was a it was a man
01:06:13
listening to a kid crying yeah it wasn't
01:06:16
like a dad telling a son it was just
01:06:17
like a man listening to a kid and and
01:06:21
that was really the the starting point
01:06:22
to yeah SH now and and You' got a great
01:06:25
relationship with both your parents now
01:06:27
yeah I love them both man yeah very
01:06:29
grateful man do you know how hard it is
01:06:30
to be a parent bro it sucks I
01:06:34
don't yeah yeah no I kind of do like
01:06:36
when joj and uh myself were together we
01:06:39
had like family adoption yes um one of
01:06:41
her nephews came to live with us from
01:06:43
the age of like four years and 11 months
01:06:44
I thought you had kids yeah no I know
01:06:46
you have kids I had a tumor I've been
01:06:48
unable to have kids oh [ __ ] [ __ ]
01:06:52
weird it's quite it's quite funny so I
01:06:55
had this I had this tumor which was um
01:06:57
diagnosed and then taken out probably in
01:06:59
my early 30s I guess and it was just
01:07:00
around about the time that JJ and I we'
01:07:02
married a couple of years and we were
01:07:03
starting to have a family like you start
01:07:05
to wait for everything to be perfect
01:07:07
like and then um the way it worked out
01:07:09
for you like you're being like a teenage
01:07:11
Dad it's probably there's never the
01:07:13
perfect time no no that wasn't the
01:07:16
perfect time I just you know that's not
01:07:18
the one yeah I don't know if you know I
01:07:21
I think of people I almost get slightly
01:07:24
envious of like parents who have done it
01:07:27
you know the way that you you and JJ
01:07:28
were going to do it like thought and and
01:07:30
carefully thought out um my mind was
01:07:33
literally like a a thing in a park you
01:07:35
know and I I I almost don't like that um
01:07:39
because my daughter's legacy is so much
01:07:41
bigger than that and yeah it's like a
01:07:45
damn I wish I took more thought into it
01:07:47
you know sometimes I wish I was a
01:07:48
[ __ ] virgin bro honestly I'm like man
01:07:50
the amount of people I've been with that
01:07:51
have like we' given each other energy
01:07:53
and gross like I feel like how many
01:07:56
what's your number you nothing orgon one
01:08:00
just the one on the like your song six
01:08:01
figers
01:08:04
yeah oh no I'm definitely walking out
01:08:08
yeah all right this is a a bit umit
01:08:12
maybe a bit sort of woo woo but like
01:08:13
yeah do you think when you've when
01:08:14
you've slept with someone you like you
01:08:16
give like party your soul now I do bro
01:08:18
do you yeah I think back in the day of
01:08:20
course not I was just flanging
01:08:22
everywhere but now it's like and even
01:08:24
before now it's important bro like let's
01:08:28
say I come into your house right and I I
01:08:30
just have a shitty day and I'm [ __ ]
01:08:31
energy up as soon as I leave it stays it
01:08:34
lingers I believe that you know and you
01:08:36
might have a bad attitude and then the
01:08:38
next person you interact with you [ __ ]
01:08:41
them off and I believe that and so if
01:08:44
you're doing something as intimate as
01:08:47
engaging and [ __ ]
01:08:49
six surely that leaves something bro
01:08:52
like that can't just be like sweet art
01:08:53
TI next week like there's something that
01:08:55
we've left in that space and I I just
01:08:58
don't like that I was so oblivious to
01:09:00
who that was growing up yeah but I think
01:09:04
I think that's that's good though way if
01:09:05
you can grow if like if you get to your
01:09:09
mid-30s and you don't have any regrets
01:09:10
then I think that's a little bit sad
01:09:12
yeah um as long as as long as as long as
01:09:13
you do stuff and you learn oh for sure
01:09:15
oh yeah sorry yeah no yeah for sure yeah
01:09:17
I guess I said that in a negative way I
01:09:18
mean no no no no you didn't said in a
01:09:20
negative way I'm glad I'm glad I've done
01:09:22
it for sure like I I the the people that
01:09:24
I met are beautiful as well you know um
01:09:26
but yeah that is that's it's I don't
01:09:30
know bro just sex is [ __ ]
01:09:33
weird and well and is it something that
01:09:36
you've thought more about I mean you're
01:09:38
you're you're very content in a
01:09:39
long-term relationship at the moment but
01:09:40
also I've always been bro having always
01:09:43
been I've always wanted long-term
01:09:44
relationships yeah like I'm always in
01:09:46
them but but but are you has your like
01:09:48
opinion or thoughts on sex changed like
01:09:50
as your daughter gets older and older
01:09:51
and you're like that's a probably a big
01:09:53
part of it too I think that's probably
01:09:54
the main part of it you're freaking out
01:09:56
right now like oh my God yeah and like
01:09:59
and yeah bro like yeah exactly I I think
01:10:02
as I mature you know I realize these
01:10:04
things and yeah yeah how yeah how are
01:10:07
you going to how are you going to
01:10:08
navigate that like are you going to be
01:10:09
protective or you just going to be like
01:10:10
a good communicator and
01:10:11
conversationalist and yeah I is the
01:10:15
angry the angry Kingdom going to come
01:10:17
back it's it's already come up you know
01:10:19
to a degree like she's had um more like
01:10:22
she's 12 13 so she's said I've got a
01:10:24
boyfriend and like they're kind of young
01:10:26
in thing and I I have for the most part
01:10:30
not been what I thought I'd be which was
01:10:33
like this angry dad with a shotgun kind
01:10:35
of thingy yeah if anything I'm just like
01:10:38
oh how's that Bob like I'm like just
01:10:40
encouragement encouraging her to be
01:10:42
happy um so yeah I mean there's nothing
01:10:45
Sinister happening yet I think maybe at
01:10:47
18 when some guy takes advantage of it
01:10:49
then maybe I'll lose it but um for now
01:10:52
it's it's love Andy happy and light and
01:10:55
exciting yeah yeah I can't imagine what
01:10:57
that'll be like like when like if
01:10:59
someone breaks her heart like just as as
01:11:03
a dead because it's like I mean you
01:11:05
there's Proby part of you that thinks
01:11:07
well I'll go and I'll go and smash him
01:11:08
but the reality is you won't like you
01:11:11
just want to fix your broken daughter
01:11:12
for sure for sure I even think that
01:11:14
traditionally like if you think about
01:11:16
marriage that that whole ideas doesn't
01:11:18
seem that that prominent today like I
01:11:21
feel like marriage we what was the stats
01:11:23
it was like
01:11:24
it's a decline in marriages oh I heard
01:11:25
that the other day yeah but like um 40
01:11:27
years ago or something by the time a
01:11:29
woman was um 25 over 50% of the
01:11:32
population was married and now it's [ __ ]
01:11:33
off that's none bro yeah and that's
01:11:35
where she's growing up where I've I've
01:11:37
kind of always been traditional like I I
01:11:39
like the the role of like male female
01:11:43
marriage kind of thing so my daughter's
01:11:45
in just a whole new environment so I I
01:11:48
wonder polyg polygamy polygamy like
01:11:52
that's where you can have more than like
01:11:54
four Partners or some [ __ ] and I'm like
01:11:55
man what if she turns into a polygamy
01:11:58
I'm like oh [ __ ] I don't even know
01:11:59
how to doal with that Jesus and do you
01:12:03
um do you want to get married at some
01:12:04
point yourself I bro I would I
01:12:07
think I think it's what we got to do
01:12:10
right to vote how do you but how do you
01:12:13
know when how do you know when when it's
01:12:15
the right
01:12:16
one man I don't think you can is it just
01:12:19
a case of doing it and then just making
01:12:21
it the right one like doing it and then
01:12:23
making it
01:12:24
yeah [ __ ] I probably sound like a old
01:12:27
dude but
01:12:28
like BR I've read so many books on like
01:12:32
woman and and trying to be not so many
01:12:35
books I've read books on on
01:12:37
relationships
01:12:38
and and it is kind of a matter of
01:12:41
picking someone and just choosing them
01:12:44
um as opposed to finding the perfect one
01:12:47
that that just does it's a myth isn't it
01:12:48
it's a unicorn yeah BR you change every
01:12:50
3 years I think it's three four years is
01:12:51
like a Cadian bro I'm getting too
01:12:53
[ __ ] technical but every couple years
01:12:55
you change your interest like you run
01:12:57
now and you've been running forever but
01:12:59
there'll be a year where you have a
01:13:01
different interest and then you're a
01:13:02
different person from that interest you
01:13:04
just your mind changes yeah I'd agree
01:13:06
with that I haven't I hadn't thought
01:13:07
about it from a psychical perspective
01:13:09
like the amount of time or years but
01:13:11
yeah you're you're changing and evolving
01:13:12
all the time for sure um yeah or you're
01:13:15
hitting the gym you know when you know
01:13:17
when you hit the gym and you have a good
01:13:18
stint of it and you go for like six
01:13:19
months heart out and then there's a
01:13:20
stint where you eat [ __ ] for six months
01:13:22
yeah totally different person oh yes
01:13:25
speaking of eating eating eating [ __ ]
01:13:27
eating [ __ ] I your album oh no no no no
01:13:30
no your music is unquestionable but um I
01:13:34
don't know if you want to get into this
01:13:35
or not CU it's it's very personal but
01:13:37
yeah yeah what happened with
01:13:38
um quite big for a while I don't worry
01:13:41
about it yeah yeah I put on she my heav
01:13:44
was like
01:13:45
189 kgs yeah big bro what are you now uh
01:13:49
[ __ ] I don't know 120 140 130 yeah sh
01:13:53
what what what happened was it a
01:13:54
psychological psychological eating or I
01:13:56
think kind of what we're talking about
01:13:58
the isolation yeah um when you hit this
01:14:01
like huge strike of
01:14:03
Fame early or not early but quite
01:14:07
fast do you have to like release the
01:14:10
stress somehow and so for me it was
01:14:11
eating I just would eat um also
01:14:14
celebrating which was kind of funny cuz
01:14:15
in our culture M you celebrate um you
01:14:18
eat when you celebrate you eat when
01:14:20
you're at a tongy you eat all the time
01:14:23
like it's kind of this is what you do
01:14:24
you're eating a lot and so you know I'm
01:14:27
winning these Awards so I'll celebrate I
01:14:29
open for TLC I celebrate and and then
01:14:31
when I'm feeling low I I eat and it's
01:14:33
just this vicious cycle of [ __ ]
01:14:35
eating bro and um yeah it got to the
01:14:37
point where was just too big I was too
01:14:39
big I was struggling to bend and do
01:14:42
things and uh so I actually got a um the
01:14:46
operation the um oh like a gestri sleeve
01:14:48
or something gestri bypass sleeve yeah
01:14:51
sleeve the one where it's cut in half
01:14:52
you you so so what do they what do they
01:14:54
do they they make your stomach smaller
01:14:57
yeah there's three different versions of
01:14:58
it this I'm I always confused there's
01:14:59
like a sleeve where it's like they cut
01:15:02
half of your stomach off there's a
01:15:03
bypass where they remove your stomach
01:15:06
and there's another one where they rub a
01:15:07
tire rubber band to it um so I'm pretty
01:15:10
sure I got the
01:15:12
sleeve and essentially it's half your
01:15:15
stomach so you can't eat as much you so
01:15:17
you just have like a little snack and
01:15:18
you feel full kind of or the alternative
01:15:21
is what I was doing for a long time time
01:15:23
still kind of struggle with today is you
01:15:25
purge uh you vomit because it's it's too
01:15:28
big unreal yeah so my my mind will still
01:15:31
be like you're hungry because of the the
01:15:34
way I am and my stomach's like you can't
01:15:37
eat so then that message to my brain to
01:15:39
my stomach sometimes doesn't match and I
01:15:42
I'll end up having a vomit yeah did you
01:15:44
have to pay for that or was that uh yeah
01:15:46
yeah I pay for that price how much like
01:15:48
20 20 yeah 23 20 yeah was it was that a
01:15:50
big decision or sort of a no-brainer it
01:15:53
was a no-brainer for me because I
01:15:55
couldn't [ __ ] bend like I couldn't do
01:15:57
[ __ ] I was like this sucks and going to
01:15:59
the gym was was definitely a viable
01:16:01
option but it was
01:16:03
also I had money at the time and there
01:16:05
was an opportunity and I was like see
01:16:09
seiz the day you know and get it done
01:16:11
yeah no no regrets about it no bro my my
01:16:14
only my only regret is that I didn't get
01:16:16
the mental sorted because like I say the
01:16:18
purging stuff is is difficult oh so have
01:16:20
have you still got like a complex
01:16:22
relationship with food yeah yeah yeah
01:16:24
yeah yeah still now um what is it what
01:16:27
what's your weakness is it like K fried
01:16:28
or [ __ ] no it's actually like bro I love
01:16:31
Asian food e Asian food Japanese food is
01:16:34
actually my favorite food so it's handy
01:16:36
that she's
01:16:38
Japanese always eating out ah that was
01:16:43
stupid and a
01:16:46
snacker a violent snacker so when I'm in
01:16:49
the studio I I I'll have something hand
01:16:52
like Packa chips or right right yeah
01:16:54
well I mean what other viic did you ever
01:16:57
lean on like alcohol or drugs no bro no
01:16:59
no never been much of a party dude no
01:17:02
like I've had fun for sure but like no
01:17:04
it was always food and punishing myself
01:17:08
with like no sleep so like I'd work I'd
01:17:11
work like till late hours of sometimes
01:17:14
two days straight I'd work
01:17:17
yeah that's have you seen the um aichi
01:17:20
doco no yeah it's it's on I mean it's
01:17:24
sad demise of a V and the end he took
01:17:26
his own life but um same same sort of
01:17:28
thing like he's just on his computer
01:17:29
working and it has people around him are
01:17:32
bringing him forward and he's just he's
01:17:33
just head down yeah there's some some
01:17:36
parallels there for sure that's that's
01:17:38
got to be an ADHD thing yeah [ __ ] I
01:17:41
fixating okay um well have I'll take it
01:17:45
have you got any um therapy about the
01:17:47
food or anything or have you talked to
01:17:48
anyone about it where's yeah like well
01:17:50
during
01:17:52
the
01:17:53
during the operation you have to eat
01:17:55
jelly bro it's kind of like this jelly
01:17:57
[ __ ] that's [ __ ] horrible um and
01:18:00
during that time you kind of have to
01:18:02
manage your food because you actually
01:18:04
don't you can't Purge it because it's
01:18:05
like your vitamins and minerals like
01:18:07
everything um in these small packets so
01:18:10
um I got good at one point and then I
01:18:13
went
01:18:15
through an adjusting period and then
01:18:18
slowly it just started to to get worse
01:18:20
again um yeah so
01:18:24
yeah I I don't know if I've done the
01:18:26
work but I definitely I know what it
01:18:27
takes to do it the right way um and it's
01:18:30
a matter of doing
01:18:31
that God life's exhausting hey there's
01:18:33
always something to work on I love it
01:18:35
bro do yeah for sure man yeah has your
01:18:38
mental health meanly you're in a good
01:18:40
spot good bro yeah has it always
01:18:42
been I yeah yeah I want to say yeah I
01:18:45
think I have a lot of tools from all the
01:18:48
from all the
01:18:49
um all the angry management all the
01:18:52
therapy uh I think the hardest time was
01:18:54
Co but I think that was everyone like it
01:18:56
was just kind of like a big thing for
01:18:58
everyone you you're probably in a better
01:19:00
position the most because of all that
01:19:01
work you've done I mean the like the
01:19:03
teens suicide rates in New Zealand are
01:19:05
like just alarmingly high and I think
01:19:07
it's because people get angry and
01:19:08
frustrated they don't know how to
01:19:09
communicate um yes if if if you weren't
01:19:12
forced to do all that work during those
01:19:14
years I mean who knows who knows where
01:19:16
you'd be or even if you'd be today bro I
01:19:18
was going to say it's like a catch 22 I
01:19:19
talk about it heaps like you know
01:19:22
there's like 8 hours of sleep there's
01:19:23
all these rules to have this perfect
01:19:25
kind of life and it's like bro if I
01:19:28
didn't punish myself and stay up two
01:19:29
nights in a row I wouldn't be here so
01:19:31
there's a level of like responsible talk
01:19:34
to your friends and then there's a level
01:19:36
of shut the [ __ ] up and get busy like
01:19:39
it's it's a double thing yeah you can't
01:19:41
have too much like oh today I had a
01:19:43
yogurt and like you can't be too that
01:19:45
and you can't be too aichi you have to
01:19:47
kind of find the balance find that sort
01:19:49
of happy medium yeah yeah and so what
01:19:51
about the traitors so the trailers is a
01:19:53
a TV show uh it was on um early in
01:19:58
2023 can ask yeah grab Bott water out of
01:20:02
the out of the
01:20:03
fridge SP like one of these one of these
01:20:05
bottles um you see on the on the the
01:20:07
Traders which is the reality TV show
01:20:09
hosted by Paul Henry um given the stage
01:20:12
you're at in your your life now where
01:20:13
you're living with Integrity
01:20:16
um why did you go on a a show like that
01:20:19
oh like the Traders yeah why yeah like
01:20:21
it's it's basically all about lying a
01:20:23
who who's got the best poker face
01:20:26
really bro I I actually got so I got
01:20:28
pitched at um I want to say by Warner
01:20:32
actually it was like a Warner TV show
01:20:35
and the concept was so cool I've been
01:20:37
I've been pitched for like celebrity Tre
01:20:39
Island and all those other ones I've
01:20:40
just turned them down I don't know like
01:20:42
do you it's all good do what you want to
01:20:44
do but for me I just felt like I I
01:20:46
didn't want to be on those shows this
01:20:48
one was the first one I was like this is
01:20:50
interesting like what a cool concert
01:20:53
um and that's a that's what got me on it
01:20:55
and um I did it and I kind of it was
01:20:57
hard bro it was very hard thinking it's
01:20:59
hard to sit there knowing people are
01:21:01
lying to you you got people like Brook
01:21:02
Smith who's talking 100 miles an hour
01:21:05
and then you got like Colin
01:21:07
Colin who's like always Smokey looking
01:21:10
you and like all these personalities so
01:21:13
it's um Colin loves that sort of stuff
01:21:16
loves the game actually actually feel
01:21:18
like we became friends on the show yeah
01:21:20
yeah yeah what what are your
01:21:21
Recollections of that so tune up when do
01:21:24
you find out who the other contestants
01:21:26
are on the day yeah right yeah yeah so
01:21:28
we you you would have known of most
01:21:30
people I guess yeah yeah like um Mike
01:21:32
Peru i' seen him I've seen everybody
01:21:35
around but I I didn't know them um so
01:21:38
yeah now we're locked in this [ __ ]
01:21:39
cabin and we got to know each other so
01:21:41
it was cool but again I'm getting to
01:21:43
know a version of them that's highly
01:21:45
paranoid you know I'm not I'm not
01:21:46
getting to know them um but like like we
01:21:49
we're still we we all talk now we all
01:21:51
got a group chat and we all chat and
01:21:53
talk [ __ ] to yeah well I mean yeah there
01:21:54
there's no animosity with you got to
01:21:57
separate like a reality TV show to real
01:21:59
life you never know like like some of
01:22:01
the stuff that was said like it felt
01:22:04
real you know like there was a point
01:22:05
where I got real heated and they took it
01:22:07
out of the edit which is probably the
01:22:08
right thing to do but I was like GNA I
01:22:11
was angry man like properly angry and um
01:22:15
yeah so it was real it was real there
01:22:18
was a lot of emotions but we all came
01:22:20
out the other end happy I think yeah so
01:22:22
yeah what other shows have you been
01:22:23
asking on Celebrity Treasure Island
01:22:25
Dancing with the Stars Dancing with the
01:22:26
Stars twice I've been ask that why um
01:22:28
why did you say no to that like
01:22:30
celebrity trasure on I can understand
01:22:31
because it can it can portray they can
01:22:33
portray you in a negative way or I think
01:22:35
it was just the shows I was like I don't
01:22:37
want to do the shows CU tra is it's the
01:22:39
first time it's been done where I feel
01:22:40
like I would have been like like the
01:22:42
ninth version of any of those other
01:22:44
shows so I was like I don't want to do
01:22:46
that um Dancing with the Stars also as
01:22:48
well I like um I can't dance for [ __ ] so
01:22:50
I'm just like why do you guys want me I
01:22:52
was like and I was big when they first
01:22:54
asked me I was like bro who's going to
01:22:56
lift me
01:22:58
up no one's Lifting me on the Tango
01:23:03
bro yeah yeah oh that's fun any um any
01:23:08
regrets anything that you you've said
01:23:09
yes to or no to that you're like [ __ ]
01:23:11
why did I do that nah no I mean there
01:23:14
was a time where I felt alienated with
01:23:17
the um the E New Zealand video but to be
01:23:19
honest now hey how do you mean uh the E
01:23:21
New Zealand video when it when it first
01:23:23
came out yeah it's funny cuz sh was
01:23:25
actually a flight attendant so she had
01:23:27
to watch that video over and over again
01:23:30
and when we finally called up she was
01:23:31
like yeah so you know how I [ __ ] hate
01:23:33
that
01:23:34
video the safety video I'm have to re I
01:23:37
forgot all about that I'm going to have
01:23:38
to rewatch it so so you rapping it yeah
01:23:41
yeah did you write the rap or I wrote
01:23:44
yeah we we all wrote a version of it
01:23:45
yeah what is it can you remember the
01:23:47
lyrics oh no even if I did I'm not
01:23:50
[ __ ] doing what were you raing like
01:23:52
like a safety thing like the put your
01:23:54
Bel on and Stow your
01:23:59
yeah so your bags on the high I can't
01:24:02
even remember the rules yeah why um why
01:24:05
why do you regret that oh it's not that
01:24:07
I regret it was just that during that
01:24:08
time it was um it was considered one of
01:24:10
the worst like it got pulled down the
01:24:13
fastest that any other a new C video had
01:24:15
been taken down oh because it was like
01:24:17
unpopular or annoying or like 7 minutes
01:24:20
long I think it was like Ultra long
01:24:22
right um there was a lot of things about
01:24:24
it people didn't enjoy so it came down
01:24:26
quick but um yeah so there was a moment
01:24:28
we went we going to Homegrown in
01:24:30
Wellington and all of the artists are on
01:24:32
the plane and they all kind of turn
01:24:33
around and look at me and they're like
01:24:34
you [ __ ] dick and I was like oh no so
01:24:39
oh were they looking at you like your
01:24:40
[ __ ] dick or there probably there's
01:24:42
probably like a little bit of Envy there
01:24:45
a lot of them were like good on you for
01:24:46
getting getting the bag on you for
01:24:48
getting your work done but a lot of them
01:24:50
were looking at you like [ __ ] so um um
01:24:52
you can't tell me that that anyone else
01:24:55
given the same opportunity would turn it
01:24:56
down oh maybe they would I don't know I
01:24:58
I again I didn't have management so I I
01:25:00
was doing that deal by myself bro just
01:25:02
like a Hy dude pulling up in this
01:25:05
meeting with all these executive people
01:25:07
and I'm like I want this amount of money
01:25:09
and they were like oh should we talk to
01:25:12
your team I'm like I am the team like
01:25:13
you know so for me it was and that way
01:25:16
it was like the coolest thing I've ever
01:25:18
done that's why I can't really I don't
01:25:19
regret that I did it
01:25:23
is it still on YouTube no no no from
01:25:26
what I hear it's
01:25:33
totally all right thanks so
01:25:36
much the the the lights are still on so
01:25:39
you have to remain seated so so your
01:25:41
your relationship so we we we did you
01:25:44
were you a fan of his music prior to
01:25:46
meeting how did you guys make you didn't
01:25:47
really know my
01:25:49
oh yeah
01:25:53
I'm
01:25:54
like&
01:25:57
yeah so she really just like knew you
01:25:59
for for don't worry about it in the
01:26:01
safety video Yeah
01:26:03
horrible I didn't even
01:26:05
know oh really
01:26:08
oh you just knew that you hated it and
01:26:11
then you found
01:26:13
out yeah yeah how how did you guys meet
01:26:16
uh yes it was during the co co pandemic
01:26:18
I'd seen her on Flavor the radio station
01:26:21
um
01:26:22
tled my fancy I guess oh you present on
01:26:26
Flavor it was like a Sunday show right
01:26:29
culture
01:26:32
sep
01:26:35
right yeah yeah yeah cool when when you
01:26:38
came into interviews with the edge you
01:26:40
never cracked on to
01:26:41
me it's the
01:26:43
look The Look wasn't there for me though
01:26:46
oh that's cool and um so so what's next
01:26:48
so you got this new album out dead son
01:26:51
your fifth album last what how can you
01:26:53
say it's your last rap album uh when I
01:26:54
say I mean last rap project is in that
01:26:57
took two years to write and it was
01:26:59
really deep and there's
01:27:01
probably I want to say 40 songs on The
01:27:04
Cutting Room floor that didn't make the
01:27:05
album so just to give you perspective of
01:27:07
how long I I wrote it and um it was
01:27:12
texting bro it was like really texting
01:27:13
to go back to my childhood and like
01:27:16
remember like all this pain and try to
01:27:18
write from it and on top of that I have
01:27:23
a new found relationship with God um
01:27:26
quite recently and I I want to be able
01:27:28
to bring light and positivity to my
01:27:31
music as opposed
01:27:32
to not that it's negative just like I
01:27:35
felt like I was in a negative space
01:27:36
writing it so um the the music from now
01:27:39
on not that rap is negative either I
01:27:41
shouldn't say that it's just the art
01:27:42
form of that for me
01:27:44
was
01:27:45
was hard hard to navigate um so the
01:27:49
music that I'm doing now is just stuff
01:27:50
that makes you you can put put it on and
01:27:52
listen to it with your family and like
01:27:53
you just feel good just feel good music
01:27:56
um and put a bit of light in the world
01:27:59
that is currently a very dark place yeah
01:28:02
yeah I I agree I agree like if yeah if
01:28:05
you can make someone's Journey a bit
01:28:07
easier yeah why the [ __ ] not for sure
01:28:09
and what was the what was the journey
01:28:11
with God how did how did that come about
01:28:13
were you were you ra raised religious no
01:28:15
no no I I I've always believed in a
01:28:19
higher purpose would it be
01:28:22
I used to call it the
01:28:24
Universe
01:28:26
um
01:28:28
but quite recently yeah I
01:28:33
um I
01:28:37
needed something to help make sense of
01:28:41
everything yeah um again so in terms of
01:28:44
mental health I've never been that's
01:28:46
actually been fine for me but it was
01:28:47
just something my daughter's at an age
01:28:49
now where she can look after herself she
01:28:52
is you know talking to me normally she's
01:28:55
not a baby anymore she's she's growing
01:28:56
and so I'm like what's my purpose now
01:28:59
I've raised this beautiful young girl
01:29:01
and she's cool and we're financially in
01:29:03
a cool place
01:29:05
um what's next and so the relationship
01:29:08
with God is
01:29:11
really something to keep my head firmly
01:29:15
on my shoulders instead of like oh now I
01:29:17
want to go do something else or now I
01:29:18
want to do something else just stay
01:29:20
focused and stay being a great father be
01:29:22
a great partner be be a great man you
01:29:25
how does that start as an adult like I
01:29:27
can understand if you get into a
01:29:28
relationship and your partner's
01:29:29
religious and you're like oh I might tag
01:29:30
along and see this or you got some
01:29:32
friends yeah but do you do you you
01:29:34
Google you know what is the church for
01:29:36
me or I see how did it actually come
01:29:38
come to my you feel like I need
01:29:40
something else in my life but then like
01:29:42
no no no so it was it was the
01:29:43
relationship needed strengthening that's
01:29:44
a bit we put yeah I knew I've always
01:29:47
believed in a God Like I said and it was
01:29:49
just to strengthen that bond with
01:29:51
something
01:29:52
uh that I believe is is um important you
01:29:57
feel confident that you know we talked
01:29:58
before about um you human beings like
01:30:00
changing and evolving every so often do
01:30:02
you feel confident at this stage that
01:30:04
this is going to be you like locked in
01:30:06
for you for life yeah bro yeah and like
01:30:09
yeah I think it always has been um as I
01:30:12
said my interest has always been there
01:30:14
um I'm not massive Drinker I'm not
01:30:16
massive there's not too many challenges
01:30:19
I mean apart from Ramadan that I can see
01:30:21
that changes my life and getting up at
01:30:23
Early times to pray like it's a pretty
01:30:26
small price to pay for for love
01:30:30
continuously yeah and and what about you
01:30:33
like do you love yourself yeah yeah yeah
01:30:36
probably too
01:30:38
much yeah probably too much no it's
01:30:42
instilled in me now but I can say I I
01:30:45
struggled with that yeah but yeah bro I
01:30:47
love myself I love I you can't love
01:30:50
somebody properly until you love love
01:30:52
this stuff yeah yeah I I believe that
01:30:55
this has been a hell of a chat [ __ ] yeah
01:30:56
it's it's it's quite cool and this is
01:30:58
one thing I'm loving about doing this
01:30:59
podcast it's like I don't know how many
01:31:01
times we've we've um interviewed before
01:31:03
like maybe 10 times never deep no no no
01:31:07
each time it's um yeah that's like we
01:31:09
talked about some sexual relationships
01:31:11
being transactional like a I feel like a
01:31:12
radio interview is sort of transactional
01:31:14
it's like it's a five minute chat yeah
01:31:16
we ask you some goofy questions you give
01:31:18
us short answers um but you don't get to
01:31:20
like scratch beneath the Surf and you
01:31:22
know there's one one thing I remember
01:31:24
with you at the edge is you were always
01:31:26
very nice to me bro you're always really
01:31:28
nice to me and I even remember when you
01:31:29
left radio and we caught up kind of
01:31:31
about just social socially and you
01:31:33
always you always had the time of day
01:31:35
for me so I appreciate that bro yeah oh
01:31:37
likewise likewise yeah I mean when I
01:31:39
read that article about you earlier this
01:31:40
year and you talked about living with
01:31:41
more Integrity it was a bit of a head
01:31:43
scratcher for me because I thought oh
01:31:45
the the the the kingdom that I've got to
01:31:47
know which is only very briefly over the
01:31:49
years um was always like a like a
01:31:51
standup guy very obliging that's why I
01:31:54
asked if you had a problem saying no to
01:31:56
things we'd ask you to come in and judge
01:31:58
some stupid [ __ ] parody song contest
01:32:01
or whatever and you'd come was really
01:32:03
good at you well bro I love that stuff
01:32:05
like that was a that was one thing that
01:32:07
never fit me with the rap thing like
01:32:09
there's an element of really coolness to
01:32:12
to hip-hop and I'm a dad first so like
01:32:17
I'm going to be a clown to my daughter
01:32:19
on the swing and like I'm going to be
01:32:21
the goofy first so hip-hop was always
01:32:23
secondary to that so when I do a Jon and
01:32:25
Ben skit or something I did used to feel
01:32:27
like hip-hop would be like that's corny
01:32:30
bro and i' be like
01:32:32
bro my daughter means more to me than
01:32:34
all you [ __ ] and that was what
01:32:36
the vibe was I love that geez your mom
01:32:38
must be really proud of the son she's
01:32:41
raised I hope so yeah has she said I
01:32:45
don't think yeah I think no I think she
01:32:46
said but I also don't she's a woman
01:32:49
who I don't think she needs to say it it
01:32:51
comes out in just you know what I mean
01:32:53
yeah actions rather than words yeah for
01:32:55
sure yeah yeah and by by saying that I'm
01:32:57
I'm I'm meaning nothing about the music
01:32:59
at all yeah yeah absolutely nothing
01:33:02
about the music or the success or any of
01:33:04
the trappings that have come as a result
01:33:05
of that I'm just of the the boy that
01:33:07
she's raised yeah I hope so man yeah
01:33:10
that's cool hey thank you so much for
01:33:11
coming around and being on the podcast
01:33:12
man epic man thanks for having me love
01:33:14
your work and you as a person
01:33:20
thanks
01:33:25
oh
