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today Theo Pratt welcome to my podcast
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hello good to be back yeah cuz I um I
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had your friend uh Rosie Overcomer on
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the podcast Maybe a year ago and you
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were sitting in the room at the time
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yeah and um finally now we we connect
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why now well my books out now and it's
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going to be good sharing my story and
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just getting my voice out there yeah for
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those of you watching this podcast
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rather than listening I'm holding a copy
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of the this is your first copy of the
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book yeah yeah um unveiled a story of
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surviving Glory of Al by theop Pratt are
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you happy with it yeah yeah pretty proud
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of it yeah um was it a cathartic
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experience was it a painful experience
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it was a cathartic experience but it
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also like through it I found out like
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more things about my childhood and like
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got more stories out of my mom um from
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it which was I
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guess very could it was overwhelming at
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times but no overall it was good I so
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your mom played a played a hand in this
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played a part in this yeah I think I
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wanted to get her I guess side of it as
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well and talk about how she joined glor
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Val and what led her to that yeah okay
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well um first of all can I say because
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I've done quite a bit of research for
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this and we've got a lot of ground a lot
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of ground to cover while you're here um
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but yeah I wanted to know about the
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status of your relationship with your
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mom because the last time I guess it's
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not the last time I saw you but I
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thought the last time you maybe saw her
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would have been in 2016 uh when she
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dropped you off at the bus stop and um
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this is you leaving gloryia of Val and
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she said to you you're going to you're
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basically going to rot in hell yeah um
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but you've sort of rekindled and
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reconnected since then yeah I think um
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since then we have over time um a lot of
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that is from me um reporting a lot of
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the abuse I experienced in there to the
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police and then from that that sort
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of um opened up our relationship because
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she didn't wasn't aware of a lot of it
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um but yeah it's been a journey like my
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sister who's been out for 3 years um her
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coming out sort of opened up my mom's
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relationship and then police being
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involved and her being able to get a
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phone in there has sort of led to us
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having communication yeah my God there's
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a lot to talk about yeah um yeah I've
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put quite a bit of thought into this
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into how we structure it because um it's
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quite a complex story yeah um there were
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a lot of people on Instagram that um
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posted questions for me to ask you and
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um a a lot of those um I don't know I
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suppose kind of trivial on the big
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scheme of things or like Curious you
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know like music related pop culture
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related about you know the outside world
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versus glor of so I thought maybe we'll
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um we'll get them done first yeah and
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then we'll unpack um some of your story
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yeah that might be the best way to first
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of all um uh a lot of people might
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remember you from um uh the glory ofil
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documentary escaping Utopia which was on
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TV and Z last year can you remember what
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your famous line was oh what is it um
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don't know who Taylor Swift is but I
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know how to make
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cheese yeah yeah I know um word for word
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it's I know how to make cheese but I
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don't know who Taylor Swift is do you
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know who Taylor Swift is now oh 100%
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what do you like more what do you like
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more cheese or Taylor oh I think
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Taylor really just a little bit I'm I'm
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a Swifty but I love cheese as well if I
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had to pick one for the rest of my life
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I'd probably go with cheese um yeah so
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so you've got the book out as well and
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you're also um the first from Glory V to
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earn a degree yeah yeah there's been a
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couple more now but um yeah getting my
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degree is probably the best thing I've
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done since leaving yeah yeah and another
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um like reference point because the the
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documentary came out a while ago on TV
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and said it was like over a year ago uh
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you're you're the one that's got a
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sister in India called precious um who's
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been there since 2012 and uh this was
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another quote more serious one from the
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documentary my goal is I will not let
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her be forgotten yeah yeah and and
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you're sticking to that 100% yeah I've
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got this tattoo on my arm um which is a
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drawing that my nephews did in India um
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which is just like my reminder that yeah
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I'm not going to give up and going to
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find a way to get her back to New
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Zealand and the other women and their
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children fantastic okay more on that
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later uh first of all the Instagram
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stuff someone said um uh if if you were
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writing like an outside Survival Guide
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for people leaving Glory of Ale like
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what would be some of the key things in
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it you know so like an instruction
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instruction menu so they drop you off at
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the the bus stop they tell you you're
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going to spend the rest of your life
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burning in hell um what would have been
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helpful information to
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have um I think more like money
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management and then just like social
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skills knowing like how to introduce
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yourself and that sort of things just
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how they have a conversation with
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someone what do you
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mean and Le you you only had
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conversations with people you've ever
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like grown up with and you've NE you
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don't introduce yourself to anyone or
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say hello or things like that and like
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and MoneyWise I only had ever seen a $5
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note before leaving I didn't know what
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$200 meant in the scheme of things um
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and knowing how to go to the supermarket
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and things like that like choosing what
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to have for dinner
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like that sort of thing is probably just
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the really everyday life sort of
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stuff does it take you long uh once you
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leave Glory of able to get you hit
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around that
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stuff I mean you learn the hard way for
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a lot of it like it's trial and error um
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but I
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think just a lot of it comes down to
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being able to make choices and if you
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can learn that skill then you sort of
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everything El becomes easier yeah
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there's there's some stuff in the book
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that um you only s it to me yesterday so
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I haven't read the whole thing I've just
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hit a flick through but some of it's um
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I mean yeah sort of touches your heart
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it's kind of cute in a way it's like you
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leave Glory Vil they give you $200 and
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you think you're rich you get to you
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realize oh okay $200 ain't going to get
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me f pretty much yeah I love that uh
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someone else said um uh what are the
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most positive and most negative things
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you learned from growing up in Glory
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of um anything good about
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it probably more like the life skills
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stuff but then also just I think my
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favorite thing in glor was like being a
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child and being in nature and like the
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bush walks and like that's part of it um
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like I don't think I would have gotten
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through my childhood if I didn't have
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the nature around me to like disappear
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into the bush for a few hours and um
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that's probably the best thing and the
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thing I miss most about like the West
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Coast M
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yeah that's quite telling a so it's more
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like um scenery based really than
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anything else yeah yeah definitely and
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when you disappeared in the bush for a
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few hours what was that for like just to
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process thoughts or yeah process
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thoughts and like I did a lot of writing
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and reading um and just sleeping as well
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like you couldn't and just a peace
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like I moment just
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to realize I don't know like process
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things and hide from the meetings on
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Sunday
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um
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yes thanks J uh from Instagram uh what
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did Theo know about the outside
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world that it was a bad evil place and
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that everyone was going to hell um that
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was pretty much
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it is she still
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religious I believe m in higher power I
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believe in like the universe and the
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environment and connecting to nature but
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that's about it so if there was not
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religion so there was a scale and there
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was like um religious agnostic atheist
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where would you be some probably in the
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middle yeah yeah okay um within Glory of
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vale uh what do people say about those
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that have
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left when you're in there and someone
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leaves like is it does everyone sort of
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gossip about them does everyone talk
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about them do they pray for them um like
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the word goes around that people have
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left and it's like they've damned their
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souls to hell and they didn't have like
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faith in God and they didn't trust the
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leaders and pretty much you just think
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that they've gone like they've
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disappeared like I remember when my best
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friend when I was a 11 her whole family
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just disappeared and you just think that
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she's gone to hell and that's all
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and that's
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that and then like they have burnings
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like when I was younger that you'd have
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to burn um any like thing you had like
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photos or anything to do with them like
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your their names can't really be
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mentioned again that like it's like they
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never
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existed that's terrifying yeah yeah so
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you're not aware that it's that it's
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happening so your friends don't say Hey
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you in the next couple of days I'm going
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to be leaving not always no you don't
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tell any one cuz then you could be
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stopped how did you know it was the
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right decision to
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leave I knew from like the age of 14
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that I had to get out of there but I
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think when I got to 18 it was just like
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a lot of questioning and then I pretty
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much got told I had to sign the
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commitment or leave so that was sort of
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was the last thing last straw yeah again
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these are the questions from Instagram
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we're just scratching the surface on
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some of the stuff and we'll get into
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that in in more detail when we get
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through these um some of the some of
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these are quite serious but some of them
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are quite trivial so once we get through
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these we'll go through your story in
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sort of a more chronological order um
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who decides the baby names the mothers
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get to say what's your name honey my
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name yeah was honey faithful yeah um
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parents choose them but they have to be
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biblical and then they have to run them
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past the leaders
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first so where did um theophila come
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from a pre um when I was 16 I changed my
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name in glova um and it had to still be
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religious so I came up with the um I
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came from a cow to be
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honest you mean I was illegally milking
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cows with my cousins down at deir and
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one of the cows names was theop and then
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I just remembered that when I was going
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to change my name right honey Faithful
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is a great name it sounds like it could
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be a pop st sounds like could be a Stu's
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name st's name I wouldn't know about
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that sort ofil it didn't it didn't work
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I mean having that sort of name in there
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all the guys just head on you and like I
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don't know it was just like a mocking
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thing in terms of like woman and having
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that name it was like confusing and like
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a lot of bullying related to it yeah by
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me and like boys my age
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yeah what is the uh typical day for a
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glory ofil woman or for you I suppose
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like a young woman like like a teenage
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girl yep probably waking up at 4:30 to 5
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and either going to work on one of the
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teams so it could be going to make the
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breed for the community so like 100
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Loaves and then going to
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school finishing at like 2:30 back to
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work and then finishing maybe at 700 at
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night yeah starting
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again seems to be a life with like very
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little Joy it's feels like it's a life
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with um sort of like purpose and
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structure and discipline but maybe very
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little Joy no joy and no like moment to
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like have a laugh or have a conversation
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with a person next to you it's like just
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go go go cuz if you have a moment to
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think then you might start
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questioning you do you yeah within none
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of those moments that you can like even
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snapshots where like you're having a
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laugh or a happy moment with there's a
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few moment
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but a lot of like of and moments of
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things that could get you in trouble so
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like running away and like going into
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the bush and like that sort of thing but
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it was always on terms that it was
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against the
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rules Yeah you mentioned mentioned
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before that you were um illegally
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milking um theophila the
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cow what what happens when you when you
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break the law of Glory of a you'll end
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up in a a Shepherds and servants meeting
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on a Sunday afternoon and questioned and
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like you'll get be sent her into a room
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with like 12 of the leaders and
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questioned for a few hours for a few
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hours yeah and the leaders are all are
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all mean yeah all mean and sitting
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around in a circle and your sent what
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sort of age oh 40s to 70s right so
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you're 13 14 15 16 year old girl
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yeah and like are they raising their
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voices or oh 100% like raising your
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voices just all they all take turns at
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like screaming at you or yelling
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questioning you and you just sit there
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and wait for it to end and then you have
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to sort of come to an agreement at the
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end that you're going to do something to
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to show that you're going to submit to
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them so it could be apologizing or it
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could be you get put out like I was put
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out a couple of times um what does that
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mean could mean a range of things but
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when I got put out I was sent to work in
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the sewing room every day when I was 15
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and like I wasn't allowed to talk to any
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girls my age and not allowed to tend
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things that everyone else attended so
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just went to the sewing room every day
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sewed then went
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home
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yeah so so when you're in when you're in
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when you're in trouble when you when you
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break the law
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yeah break is in milking a cow say that
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happens on a Wednesday um are you just
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waiting until Sunday for the
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disciplinary
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sometimes you're like oh is it going to
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happen or sometimes if it's serious
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you'll get called into like a meeting
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that night so
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like if someone from the outside that's
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left comes in and you're seen talking to
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them I've I was called into a meeting at
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like 2: in the morning woken up and was
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in a meeting with the leaders for a few
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hours and then to work at
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4: so they can't it can happen at any
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time they can be knocking on your door
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at
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midnight what's the anxiety like like
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leading up to these meetings like if you
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know meetings coming like are you
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[ __ ] yourself yeah [ __ ] yourself
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and disappearing up up to the bush
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hiding that's why you're like your but
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you know you're eventually going to have
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to face the music you you do you know
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you are you just I guess hope that
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something else someone else does
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something bad so they take over yeah
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yeah pretty much yeah well I can't
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imagine how how stressed by does it get
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easier though like those those those
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telling off you like oh I'm in trouble
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again it's another one Whatever Yeah you
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sort of just like oh well you and you
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sort of know learn the lines that they
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like so you learn the lines that will
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get you out of it so you learn to like
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say sorry and say what they want you to
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say so you just keep them in rotation
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and get through it and carry on say
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praise prise God and bless your brother
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and hope that does the trick say all the
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right things and then just go back to
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milking the cows illegally yeah pretty
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much um a good friend of mine Clint uh
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he's a very funny guy he said um did she
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have a good role in the concert or was
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she put on the background oh no I didn't
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have any role
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didn't no why were you too much of a
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renegade yeah were you yeah was that
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like a uh like a a privileged position
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to give a 100% yeah yeah chosen how much
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prep went into those concerts months
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like six months before the concert like
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months and months of prep making all the
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costumes long hours yeah was that a um
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like a good position to have cuz it's a
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I don't know I suppose a bit of Joy yeah
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it was fun cuz you're doing something
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different and you're and and you're
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excited about who's going to turn off at
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the
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concert were you not motivated to change
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your evil ways to get a SP no and I
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didn't I couldn't think of anything
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worse than representing nille
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Copa yeah
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um someone you might know um her
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Instagram name is man doton says I went
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to school with the I don't have a
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question I just want her to know that
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she's an inspiration oh nice yeah how
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does that make you feel yeah great I
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think I think yeah it feels
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good yeah yeah since you've been out so
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what is it now like eight years yeah not
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it'll be nine years next month yeah how
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many how many conversations have you had
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with people have yelled at you H not me
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might be the other way
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around are you yelling at k your partner
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maybe yeah could be yeah but it's
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strange though isn't it because this is
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all you know and this is this is what
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you think life's all about and then you
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get out there and you realize that it
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actually isn't no exactly very abnormal
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you wait I often like I'll be waiting
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for someone to yell and it doesn't
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happen it's like oh
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it's not normal like in what sort of
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circumstances like can you think of any
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that come to mind um probably more just
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like within the work life and like I
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don't know and stressful situations that
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you expect people to lash out at you
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when they're stressed oh and just when
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you make a mistak somewhere or yeah yeah
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yeah well pleas you don't have to put up
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with that anymore yeah so uh what has
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changed for her in the past year or so
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since the escaping Utopia documentary
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came out um um I think it's been a great
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conversation starter but it's
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also it's been a journey and it's I
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guess I still just keeping on thinking
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about my sister in India and like lots
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of people asking me about how that's
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going yeah there were a few questions
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about that on Instagram but yeah we're
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going to um get to that later um biggest
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struggle after leaving Gloria
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B just the self-confidence and knowing
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where you fit in and knowing who you
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connect to and like what is life and
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knowing what you believe
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in yeah I can't imagine that cuz it must
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feel like um yeah so you were born there
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you leave at 18 so you know you leave as
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soon as you become an adult so you're
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having these adult conversations with
00:19:49
people and you must just feel like I
00:19:52
don't know like you you you just can't
00:19:54
relate to what's going on and you really
00:19:55
struggle to fit in yeah a lot of that a
00:19:58
lot of like while I was studying like
00:20:00
knowing we to fit in I didn't know what
00:20:03
half the conversations were about um a
00:20:06
lot of
00:20:08
Googling a lot of um wearing
00:20:12
um yeah just trying to fit in yeah a lot
00:20:16
of wearing
00:20:19
what
00:20:21
um wearing um what's that what's that
00:20:24
brand with the um the ears now I can't
00:20:28
even think of it oh Playboy Playboy I I
00:20:32
I took a Playboy tail to a Christian
00:20:34
Camp and had no clue what it
00:20:37
was oh play funny there but Playboy was
00:20:40
popular for a while was that like the
00:20:42
the peak s of popularity thing when you
00:20:44
came out of Glory someone gave it to me
00:20:46
I think they did it as a joke and I
00:20:48
thought it was cool and I took it to a
00:20:51
Christian
00:20:52
[Laughter]
00:20:54
can um besides family and friends does
00:20:57
she miss anything from her glory of our
00:20:59
life you may have covered off that
00:21:01
before with the scenery yeah not really
00:21:05
nothing um how frequently do people
00:21:08
leave and does everyone else in glory of
00:21:10
our gossip about them feel like we
00:21:12
covered off that last bit earlier um but
00:21:14
yeah how frequently do people leave when
00:21:16
I left it was every few like every six
00:21:18
months or so every year but now like
00:21:21
pretty much every day there's someone
00:21:23
leaving wow do you know what the
00:21:25
population is there now still must be
00:21:29
like like 500 something right yeah um
00:21:33
the left Glory of Val in 2016 which was
00:21:36
um Peak Bieber Fever did she know who
00:21:38
Justin Bieber was absolutely not really
00:21:42
no so yeah what were you okay so when
00:21:46
you're in there so 15 16 17 18 until you
00:21:49
left um yeah what were you were you
00:21:51
aware of in terms of pop culture and
00:21:53
music I I I knew of the Kardashians
00:22:00
but how like what did you know what did
00:22:01
you know about pretty much nothing
00:22:03
really but like just photos of them like
00:22:06
I don't know would look through all the
00:22:07
magazines and like um all like the
00:22:11
modeling stuff and would look through
00:22:12
the pictures that way what magazines
00:22:15
like when you're in Greymouth for a
00:22:16
visit or no like we'd get all the old
00:22:18
newspapers and go through them um and
00:22:21
just like when we're lighting the fire
00:22:22
at 3:30 in the morning just scroll
00:22:26
through W papers out yeah so and in
00:22:29
terms of Music nothing we like had the
00:22:33
illegal like wiring radios together and
00:22:37
like listen to a few like songs like
00:22:39
Katie Perry songs but other than that
00:22:42
not really
00:22:44
anything yes so what radio did you
00:22:46
listen to I would I would have been on
00:22:48
the radio when you were in cor yeah I
00:22:50
think you were yeah I think the edge and
00:22:53
that sort of stuff and then like sports
00:22:55
like I remember when the All Blacks
00:22:56
played and like when I was making cheese
00:22:58
I had
00:22:59
a guy come and tell me the score and I'd
00:23:01
write it in the cheese book for the the
00:23:03
World Cup write in the cheese book why
00:23:06
the score the black game I don't know I
00:23:09
just cheese book like a diary or yeah
00:23:11
well like when I made cheese we would
00:23:12
have to record like all the acid and how
00:23:15
you what we did how much milk and at the
00:23:17
bottom I just like right messages for
00:23:21
just for yourself yeah and then I I
00:23:24
always thought that cuz other people
00:23:27
they' be kept in the kitchen and I
00:23:28
always thought like it'll be cool once I
00:23:30
left the other girls getting to read it
00:23:33
saying if I left them any messages like
00:23:36
I don't know to make them think about
00:23:37
where they
00:23:40
live i' I've never been to Gloria valy
00:23:43
and I've never been to prison either but
00:23:45
like what you're describing sounds like
00:23:48
sounds worse than prison yeah a little
00:23:51
bit um first time she had McDonald's or
00:23:56
KFC first time I had um KFC I went
00:24:00
through with like a drag queen what went
00:24:03
through the drive-thru like it was a
00:24:04
friend uh like a friend of a friend they
00:24:07
were like oh well I'll take you to CC
00:24:10
and then yeah they were telling me about
00:24:11
their life and yeah so this is after you
00:24:15
left glor of Val and we're living in
00:24:16
ockland yeah yeah yeah Y and um what
00:24:19
were your thoughts on
00:24:21
KFC so we had it in gloral it was like
00:24:24
nille Cooper's biggest thing oh really
00:24:27
yeah right he oh so you okay so you'd
00:24:30
already had KFC yeah yeah yeah yeah what
00:24:32
about McDonald's I think we used to go
00:24:35
through the drive-thru for the 50 c ice
00:24:38
creams but I didn't know what it was cuz
00:24:40
we never went in and shops like Kmart or
00:24:45
brisos nothing there's no shops in gr
00:24:48
yeah no but the first time you like went
00:24:51
to one of those um after leaving Gloria
00:24:53
Vale yeah I don't I think it was all
00:24:56
just a blur like Sylvia Park was my
00:24:58
closest is small it was overwhelming
00:25:02
butting yeah syia Park is
00:25:05
probably like about the size of the
00:25:06
whole Glory of a compound yeah um does
00:25:10
she have any favorite swear words
00:25:12
now just the f
00:25:14
word did you ever swear in glory of
00:25:18
Val uh did you know those words or does
00:25:20
anyone use not those words but like
00:25:22
saying [ __ ] was like the worst thing
00:25:25
ever and if someone overheard you you
00:25:27
you'd get in trouble for that right yeah
00:25:29
right
00:25:31
um uh what was the coolest little um
00:25:35
little things you found out after you
00:25:39
left don't know there's nothing after
00:25:42
you left that like just blew your mind
00:25:44
really impressed
00:25:46
you I just think
00:25:49
like you think in a way but like just
00:25:53
that woman could have an education and
00:25:55
like that woman were CEOs and like
00:25:58
running the place like that sort of blew
00:26:01
my mind did that seem like unfathomable
00:26:04
fathomable to you when 100% that's such
00:26:06
a cool answer yeah like sort of thing
00:26:09
like literally and that I could do that
00:26:11
if I wanted and here you are you got a
00:26:14
degree yeah like like it's it's like I
00:26:18
don't think I can um just emphasize
00:26:19
enough just how how cool that is so you
00:26:21
had sort of limited education while you
00:26:23
were growing up yeah and then you leave
00:26:25
at 18 you you don't know anything about
00:26:27
the outside world and you've you've
00:26:29
you've accomplished so much in the last
00:26:31
you know eight years since you've been
00:26:32
out it's really cool hope you're proud
00:26:35
of yourself yeah definitely proud of
00:26:37
myself um what was the first movie she
00:26:39
saw after leaving Gloria Val hunt for
00:26:41
the worlder people oh yeah that's not
00:26:43
bad what you enjoy it not bad you loved
00:26:44
it five stars yeah then again you had
00:26:47
nothing to compare
00:26:49
exactly uh first concert she went to
00:26:52
Pink all right okay yeah um your friend
00:26:55
Rosie Overcomer who I had on last year
00:26:57
she said pink is well did you go
00:26:58
together no no no um yeah why did you
00:27:02
yeah did you like pink yeah it was good
00:27:05
yeah she's a very good perform that sets
00:27:06
the bar very high for for other concerts
00:27:08
I love Sam Smith though I've been to his
00:27:10
all his concerts in New Zealand have you
00:27:13
yeah yeah why what's the appeal with Sam
00:27:15
Smith just being different and being who
00:27:18
he is like just him being himself yeah
00:27:22
um in terms of Technology uh what was
00:27:24
the hardest things to
00:27:26
learn like is it weird when you first
00:27:29
get a phone very weird I think I used
00:27:32
all my minutes up like on the first
00:27:35
day I don't know who I was talking
00:27:38
to but yeah that's of thing yeah and
00:27:41
someone wanted to know about clothes and
00:27:42
fashion like um you know I suppose what
00:27:46
they mean is um when you wear the same
00:27:48
blue dresses your entire life and that's
00:27:50
all you're knowing uh when you can start
00:27:52
making clothing choices for yourself
00:27:54
what do you what do you get you're
00:27:56
wearing jeans today that's um that's not
00:27:58
L step up
00:28:00
yeah are jeans comfortable oh so comfy
00:28:03
no but I mean when you when you go from
00:28:05
not wearing jeans your entire life to
00:28:06
wearing the first time as an adult I
00:28:08
think he's a power in wearing jeans as a
00:28:10
woman like for me I mean I talk about in
00:28:12
my book like I think it just gives you
00:28:15
like a sense of control and
00:28:18
like oh wearing men's clothing but it's
00:28:22
not and just I I just find like a power
00:28:25
in it and in the beginning when you when
00:28:29
you started like wearing jewelry have
00:28:31
you got ear you got your ears pierced or
00:28:32
yeah you got your ear pierced when you
00:28:33
got your like piercings and your tattoo
00:28:36
um like was there like a default sense
00:28:38
of guilt or anything no no no not at all
00:28:42
no tatos are addictive he
00:28:45
yeah when you get in them it does it
00:28:47
sort of feel like the middle finger in a
00:28:48
way yeah yeah yeah okay that's great
00:28:51
thanks for answering those Instagram
00:28:53
questions oh good does it surprise you
00:28:55
is is it weird the sort of things people
00:28:57
want to know a little bit some really
00:28:59
strange questions like what strange just
00:29:03
like I guess they want like lots of
00:29:05
people ask you how many husbands you had
00:29:07
or just really weird things yeah but the
00:29:11
husband thing do so you if you were in
00:29:14
glor of Ale you'd most definitely be
00:29:16
married now with a number of kids yeah
00:29:18
do you you get any saying who you marry
00:29:20
or you just get peered up peered out
00:29:22
yeah ni so was there someone earmarked
00:29:24
for you well like my sister got a
00:29:28
married and and the guy she married had
00:29:31
a whole lot of brothers and often
00:29:32
they'll marry you after to the brothers
00:29:35
of that same family but yeah couldn't
00:29:38
think of anything
00:29:40
worse um yeah CU you're in a
00:29:42
relationship are you engaged no no but
00:29:45
you're own a house that's a big
00:29:46
commitment um with your partner Kevin we
00:29:48
get into that yeah that's cool and um
00:29:51
you you you selected him yourself yeah
00:29:54
yeah awesome okay um yeah let's talk
00:29:57
about the Glory of our years so earliest
00:30:00
memories like if you go back as far as
00:30:01
what you can like feeding feeding lambs
00:30:04
and The Paddock and stuff like that at
00:30:06
what sort of age like six
00:30:10
yeah yeah yeah CU I suppose at that age
00:30:12
like it you only know what you know
00:30:15
right yeah so you don't know any
00:30:17
anything different you you don't know
00:30:18
that that what's right and what's wrong
00:30:20
and what's normal and what's what's not
00:30:21
normal it's just you and your family
00:30:24
and any happy times
00:30:28
some like of playing with my sisters and
00:30:31
that but a lot of like uncertainty and
00:30:36
anxiety yeah even at a young age yeah my
00:30:39
my dad was very like out of control and
00:30:43
abusive so you never knew what what was
00:30:46
going to happen in the night abusive in
00:30:49
what way physically and like
00:30:52
manipulative of like to my mom
00:30:56
yeah never towards you kids um yeah if
00:30:59
you tried to get in like stand in
00:31:01
between it and like stop it then you it
00:31:04
would get turned to
00:31:05
you yeah and the from what I can gather
00:31:08
about the dynamic of uh glor of like
00:31:11
families all in the same room yeah so so
00:31:14
if a husband is um being abusive to his
00:31:16
wife like the the kids are you're seeing
00:31:19
everything they're seeing or hearing
00:31:20
everything
00:31:23
yeah like physically abusive verbally
00:31:26
abusive sexually abusive yeah you all
00:31:29
yeah all of
00:31:33
it that's heartbreaking M yeah and then
00:31:37
like overhearing the leaders telling my
00:31:39
mom it's her fault because she's not a
00:31:41
submissive wife I think there a lot of
00:31:43
like my like early memories like hearing
00:31:46
that
00:31:48
yeah and then just knowing like that's
00:31:51
my future if I stay
00:31:53
here do you feel um
00:31:58
do you feel a degree of sympathy for
00:31:59
your mom yeah yeah what about your dad
00:32:04
how do you feel towards him you do you
00:32:06
hate
00:32:08
him
00:32:11
um I wouldn't say I hate him but I don't
00:32:14
have any time for
00:32:15
him um it's hard to forgive that yeah
00:32:20
yeah I just let him love his life as
00:32:23
long as he's not hurting anyone else
00:32:29
why do you think nothing's done about
00:32:31
that these meetings you're talking about
00:32:33
where where you is as a very young woman
00:32:36
are getting a dressing down by these
00:32:38
middle-aged men for a few hours on a
00:32:39
Sunday like why aren't they putting
00:32:41
their energy into geez I'm getting
00:32:43
emotional here why aren't they putting
00:32:44
that energy into like addressing like
00:32:46
illegal and appalling Behavior like
00:32:48
exactly because if they address that
00:32:50
then they've got to address their own
00:32:52
behavior and their own behaviors matches
00:32:55
that and so
00:32:58
they can't or they don't they don't want
00:33:01
to um is
00:33:03
there yeah um there's nothing you have
00:33:06
fomo about now about Glory of Val like
00:33:08
do you do you feel like you know fomo
00:33:11
yeah yeah like when
00:33:13
um when you know there's a big occasion
00:33:16
on like um I don't know like maybe the
00:33:18
concert or whatever or maybe your mom's
00:33:20
birthday or a sibling's birthday like do
00:33:21
you feel a sense of like mourning or
00:33:23
loss that you're not there or not
00:33:25
particularly um
00:33:28
not particularly I think I have more of
00:33:30
a fear of like missing out on my nieces
00:33:33
and nephews lives and
00:33:35
like shaping it and like protecting them
00:33:39
like protecting them from what I went
00:33:41
through
00:33:43
yeah
00:33:45
um you know who could you talk to about
00:33:48
things in in glor val like the you know
00:33:51
so from a young age you can remember
00:33:53
your dad you know being abusive to your
00:33:54
mom like is is there anyone you could
00:33:56
confide in
00:33:58
not really like just your own siblings
00:34:01
and that's that's it or like I didn't
00:34:03
talk to any of my siblings
00:34:06
why I
00:34:08
think I don't know you just
00:34:10
think they're going to tell on you like
00:34:13
everyone's dobbing each other in like to
00:34:15
the leaders and like our family was low
00:34:18
on the hierarchy system so all my
00:34:20
siblings are trying to survive they're
00:34:22
trying to get higher in the hierarchy
00:34:24
system they'll do anything to get higher
00:34:26
so if you say anything to them they'll
00:34:28
do you in like they'll tell the
00:34:30
leaders can't even trust your own family
00:34:34
no do you have trust issues now or are
00:34:36
you pretty good now um highly skeptical
00:34:40
of people that's understand like there's
00:34:43
um sh we we we'll get into the work that
00:34:46
you've done since you left Glory ofil
00:34:47
like the work on yourself and it's a lot
00:34:49
to unpick like you can't just you know
00:34:52
it it it takes time and and a lot of a
00:34:55
lot of work to undo like um you know the
00:34:57
pre-programming yeah a lot
00:35:02
um so in your late you get asked to sign
00:35:06
a a glory ofil commitment contract yeah
00:35:09
what is that and what sort of age um
00:35:12
normally around 16 to 18 young people
00:35:14
sign it um in front of all the community
00:35:18
and it's pretty much just like signing
00:35:20
your life away and terms of like that
00:35:22
you'll marry whoever they say you won't
00:35:25
leave and if you leave the community
00:35:26
you're doing it to the pural of your
00:35:28
soul and it's pretty much just saying
00:35:31
like the leaders are the best people in
00:35:32
the world essentially yeah so you sort
00:35:35
of dodged that because you don't want to
00:35:37
sign it yeah did you did you know at
00:35:38
that point that you want it out yeah
00:35:41
100% when when did you when did you
00:35:43
decide you want it out pretty much from
00:35:45
the age of 14 I was like I want to get
00:35:47
out of here but why just I didn't want
00:35:51
to get a married to anyone in there and
00:35:54
I just wanted
00:35:55
education um where where did that
00:35:57
strength come from I don't know I think
00:36:01
just the strength of like survival and
00:36:04
wanting something better
00:36:07
and willing to take the risk with like
00:36:11
without knowing what the risk was like
00:36:14
you just I just thought something had to
00:36:16
be better than
00:36:18
that yeah but there's there's a lot of
00:36:20
people in there that it's it's it's a
00:36:22
it's a it's like a it's a risk or a roll
00:36:24
of the dice that they're not prepared to
00:36:25
take yeah no they're not
00:36:28
because it means if they it means that
00:36:30
their whole life is a
00:36:32
lie um when did you start say who did
00:36:36
who did you tell that you didn't want to
00:36:38
sign the contract or that you might be
00:36:39
interested in leaving like did you talk
00:36:40
to your mom about it or anyone or like I
00:36:42
think my mom sort of knew um but like I
00:36:45
had a few friends and like they some of
00:36:48
them had left and they had gone and so
00:36:51
you sort of talked to them when they
00:36:53
were there and then they would disappear
00:36:54
they would be gone and then you sort of
00:36:57
just I think the thing that made me stay
00:36:59
there as long as I did was that knowing
00:37:01
that once you left you cut off and that
00:37:03
was that and so you sort of just hanging
00:37:06
in there hoping you could stay there a
00:37:09
bit longer to like I guess get older and
00:37:12
then like still have relationships with
00:37:14
your family cuz once you're gone you're
00:37:16
gone yeah and I I think it's hard to
00:37:18
imagine like just what a terrifying
00:37:20
prospect that is it's everything
00:37:22
everything you know this tiny little
00:37:23
this tiny little world that you've got
00:37:25
that you've had for 18 years of your
00:37:26
life your family's there absolutely
00:37:28
everything you know is there and you're
00:37:29
turning your back on that and it's not
00:37:31
there's no um you go out have a look and
00:37:34
if it doesn't work out come back it's
00:37:35
like all or nothing and pretty much I
00:37:38
can't imagine um just how terrifying
00:37:40
that is for anyone yeah so um so the
00:37:45
leadership group they keep trying to get
00:37:46
you to sign the contract yeah um you
00:37:49
keep the where's Theo oh she's hiding in
00:37:51
the bush again exactly how long does
00:37:53
this go on for this this dance um
00:37:57
a few months of like me Pro like getting
00:38:01
up and apologizing and like trying to
00:38:03
say that yeah I'm going to I'm not going
00:38:05
to question anymore and then it just
00:38:08
came down to someone had come in that
00:38:11
had left and I got asked where they were
00:38:14
and I didn't know where they were like
00:38:15
they'd come in and they were hiding and
00:38:17
they were being looked for um and I
00:38:20
pretty much just someone asked me where
00:38:22
they were and I was like someone had
00:38:24
come in from the outside like a former
00:38:26
glory of yeah yeah right and um I got
00:38:28
asked where they were cuz I was friends
00:38:30
with them and I just like oh I don't
00:38:32
know where they are but if I did I
00:38:34
wouldn't tell you anyway and then that
00:38:36
just blew up and from there came the
00:38:39
thing you we want you to sign the
00:38:41
commitment yeah from that it was like on
00:38:44
a Friday morning I just had like nille
00:38:46
Cooper his wife other people just coming
00:38:49
and screaming at me like saying like you
00:38:52
hate you're a disgrace and like just I
00:38:55
don't know going off um
00:38:58
um yeah like most most people would find
00:39:00
that sort of um confrontation quite um
00:39:03
like distressing are you just numb to it
00:39:05
at this time this this point you just
00:39:07
stand there and take it right yeah did
00:39:10
it used to break you down in the
00:39:11
beginning though it did yeah yeah then
00:39:15
after a while he just grow immune to it
00:39:17
pretty much yeah so what like what are
00:39:19
your Recollections of the last few days
00:39:21
was it like a a crazy chaotic time or
00:39:24
they they sent me to my room cuz I don't
00:39:27
want me to be around any of my friends
00:39:29
or any anyone else so I was like sweet
00:39:31
went home and sleep all day it was
00:39:35
great that was like sweet didn't have to
00:39:38
make any cheese exactly I to do any work
00:39:41
but were you were you actually sweet
00:39:42
though because it's um like it's never
00:39:45
it's never nice being in a position
00:39:47
where you know you've like let everyone
00:39:48
down or everyone's pissed off with you
00:39:49
you know what I mean yeah well no I I
00:39:53
think I was more concerned like about my
00:39:54
mom but in terms of me or anything else
00:39:58
I was like it's it's happening like I'm
00:40:01
it's I'm going to leave like but you
00:40:03
didn't know when but like how it was
00:40:06
going to work out but it sort of
00:40:08
exciting in a
00:40:12
way de deep down like um your mom must
00:40:16
be quite proud of you I think she is
00:40:19
yeah like it's um yeah this Defiance
00:40:22
drak like it's actually something to be
00:40:24
proud of it's pretty cool it's just a
00:40:27
question thanks rather than just like
00:40:29
tow the line 100% always question yeah
00:40:32
yeah so um God what was going through
00:40:35
your mind like the last couple of days
00:40:37
so you you knew you were being kicked
00:40:38
out yeah I knew it was going to be come
00:40:41
to that
00:40:44
um it's just like you didn't know I
00:40:47
didn't know what to expect on the
00:40:48
outside but it's just like trying to say
00:40:51
goodbye to my friends and stuff not that
00:40:53
I really got to cuz once you sort of say
00:40:56
you're going you're like once I said I
00:40:58
was leaving I was sent to my room and
00:41:01
the men were out like men were outside
00:41:03
my door stopping anyone saying goodbye
00:41:05
to me and then I was just like ushered
00:41:07
into a van and taken off the
00:41:10
property so you sort of sort of kept in
00:41:12
isolation like use the prison an allery
00:41:14
again yeah yeah so I was put out for a
00:41:16
couple of days before I actually made
00:41:18
the decision and then yeah once I had
00:41:20
said yes you pretty much just
00:41:22
like not allowed to see anyone and they
00:41:26
keep you separated and get you out of
00:41:28
there as quick as possible and what do
00:41:30
you leave with I left with like an old
00:41:33
suitcase filled with random things the
00:41:36
one thing I wanted to take was like all
00:41:38
the photos that I had of my childhood or
00:41:40
like anything with me in it cuz I knew
00:41:42
that once I'd leave they would wrap them
00:41:44
up and they would be gone yeah are they
00:41:47
the there's um uh like a photo album in
00:41:49
the middle of your book unveiled is that
00:41:51
what those photos are yeah
00:41:54
yeah so do they like check you belong in
00:41:57
before you leave you they took my dress
00:42:00
off me the Blue Dress yeah yeah cuz your
00:42:02
friend Rosie who I had on the podcast a
00:42:04
year ago she she kept one of the one of
00:42:06
the dresses I can't remember what her
00:42:07
answer was but there was a reason for
00:42:09
doing it that why did they take the
00:42:10
dress off you cuz they don't want you to
00:42:12
we it like they don't want you going out
00:42:14
and wearing it not that you'd want to
00:42:17
anyway so you okay so what what do you
00:42:19
wear when they drop you off at the bus
00:42:21
stop they gave me like some old clothes
00:42:24
from the costume room like clo they used
00:42:27
to keep the stash of clothes for people
00:42:29
that visited so if like I don't know a a
00:42:33
chick turned up with wearing jeans so i'
00:42:35
often offer them skirts to wear so they
00:42:37
gave me cloth like a long skirt oh okay
00:42:41
so it's civilian clothes but Glory of
00:42:43
our friendly civilian Club so no one no
00:42:45
one's going to enter with a like the
00:42:46
bunny on the shirt yeah yeah yeah okay
00:42:50
so what time of day do they do they make
00:42:54
you leave well I left in the afternoon I
00:42:57
stayed at one of their houses where they
00:42:58
put people out um and then yeah they
00:43:01
dropped me off bus stop at about 6:00 in
00:43:03
the morning who drops you off at the bus
00:43:05
stop my brother and my mom can you
00:43:07
remember that last night did you like
00:43:09
you in that the halfway house did you
00:43:11
sleep okay or I didn't really sleep and
00:43:14
I think I just remembered like
00:43:15
journaling like pretty much writing that
00:43:18
I'd done the right thing yeah have you
00:43:21
you keept your journals and things yeah
00:43:22
yeah is that what helped make up the
00:43:24
book some of it yeah yeah yeah when was
00:43:27
the last time you reflected on that and
00:43:29
read on
00:43:30
that I think when we did the dock I went
00:43:33
through a lot of it and then you're
00:43:34
writing my book how does it make you
00:43:36
feel now when you read
00:43:38
it it like you read back and even though
00:43:41
like I was leaving and I disagreed with
00:43:43
gloral [ __ ] I was brainwashed like I was
00:43:46
messed up in my head but like you were
00:43:49
brainwashed yeah like just my view on
00:43:51
the world and
00:43:53
like what I thought I could do or be
00:43:59
just I guess I didn't know what wasn't
00:44:02
like installed for me once I left and
00:44:05
that yeah can you elaborate on that in
00:44:07
terms of that you you thought you
00:44:08
thought small or yeah thought small and
00:44:12
everything was based like all my
00:44:15
decisions I had a a scripture in the
00:44:17
Bible to back up why I did it like it
00:44:20
was always just trying to justify
00:44:22
everything and like to try and prove war
00:44:25
of our wrong in a way m yeah so um so
00:44:29
your mom and your brother drop you off
00:44:32
yeah um what's yeah how long's the car
00:44:34
ride to the bus stop maybe it was like
00:44:37
30 minutes okay you're talking or no
00:44:40
just sat there just listening to caddy
00:44:42
per on the radio just sitting there in
00:44:45
silence yeah and is it is it is it tense
00:44:47
like are they are they angry at you or
00:44:49
they not angry I think then just
00:44:52
indifferent yeah I
00:44:55
think like this sad that I'm going I
00:44:58
think and then they drop you off um is
00:45:01
it a hug I my mom gave me a hug but not
00:45:05
my brother yeah and are are you crying I
00:45:09
don't think so I think it's a lot of
00:45:12
adrenaline and
00:45:13
like just some excitements but some like
00:45:18
like it's finally happening and like
00:45:21
just coming to terms with it and you he
00:45:24
so you've got your suitcase the cloth
00:45:26
clothes on your back and when do you get
00:45:27
given the $200 yeah they gave it to me
00:45:30
then 200 bucks and like an envelope your
00:45:32
mom and your brother and can you
00:45:33
remember your last conversation with
00:45:35
both of them just the what what you said
00:45:37
earlier about my mom like the whole
00:45:39
thing about daming my soul to hell and
00:45:41
then like my brother pretty much just
00:45:43
said my kids will never hear your name
00:45:46
again and that was that bus was there
00:45:49
and it got
00:45:51
on see think it's heartbreaking yeah you
00:45:55
you num yourself to it
00:45:57
as shitty as it is but
00:46:02
yeah so the so the bus T's happen it's
00:46:05
the the first you've seen a bus before
00:46:07
you know what a bus is sort of know what
00:46:09
it
00:46:11
is this is the first time actually being
00:46:13
on a bus yeah yeah and yeah who else is
00:46:17
where do you sit on the bus who else is
00:46:18
on the bus just lots of people going to
00:46:20
the airport i s over by the window and
00:46:24
yeah didn't Che to anyone no
00:46:28
so and do you know how do you know where
00:46:29
to get off and it just took me straight
00:46:32
to the airport and once I got there I
00:46:35
don't know what to do yes so you go from
00:46:37
Greymouth to Christ Church how long is
00:46:40
the bus ride 5 hours it's a lot of time
00:46:42
in your own thought a lot of time in
00:46:44
your own thought yeah can you remember
00:46:47
what you were thinking or is it too far
00:46:49
too far I remember thinking how am I
00:46:51
what am I going to do once I get to the
00:46:53
airport and I didn't have a phone at
00:46:55
that point and I'm like how am I to know
00:46:57
who's going to pick me up like what's
00:46:58
going to happen like just that sort of
00:47:03
thing yeah who so you had a flight
00:47:06
booked from Christ Church to Orland yeah
00:47:09
yeah who who was going to pick you up um
00:47:12
yeah Alex Alex and Kei who who are they
00:47:15
so my mom grew up in odaho and knew went
00:47:17
to school with Keith they were neighbors
00:47:20
and somehow Kea came and visited one of
00:47:23
the concerts she was a real estate agent
00:47:25
and I keept one of her real estate agent
00:47:28
cards like under my drawer you know when
00:47:30
you pull a drawer out and put it under
00:47:32
so I keept one of those cards the whole
00:47:34
time and then um my mom rang her number
00:47:38
and they said they would pick me up
00:47:40
thinking I was coming for a holiday and
00:47:43
that was going to drop me back off at
00:47:44
the airport like a week later yeah oh my
00:47:47
God okay well all right we'll get to
00:47:50
them in a second um it's kind of cool
00:47:53
that your M your mom played a part in I
00:47:55
suppose helping facilitate take this
00:47:57
yeah yeah um okay so you arrive at Cross
00:48:00
yourp then what like I I'm I'm fortunate
00:48:03
enough to have done quite a bit of
00:48:04
traveling I I still get a little bit of
00:48:06
anxiety I'm at like Chang airport in
00:48:08
Singapore or a heath r or something a
00:48:10
big airport I can't imagine what it's
00:48:11
like so you're in Cross this is the
00:48:13
first first airport you've seen in your
00:48:14
life yeah I was trying to Lug my big
00:48:16
heavy bag along and then a guy came up
00:48:19
behind me and picked it up and put it on
00:48:21
a trolley and I was like here you go and
00:48:23
I was just like what just happened a guy
00:48:25
was nice to me
00:48:27
like and that just blew my mind like
00:48:29
that a man would help you um and then I
00:48:32
just went straight to the help desk um
00:48:35
managed to get on the flight yeah what
00:48:37
do you say at the help des and I just
00:48:39
showed them like my
00:48:40
ticket I had to print out piece of paper
00:48:43
and they show me where to go did you say
00:48:46
I've I've just escaped from Glory of ale
00:48:49
or no just tried to tried to bleed
00:48:53
in didn't work I feel like there'd be um
00:48:58
I mean there's such a level of awareness
00:49:00
in New Zealand about um about Glory of
00:49:03
vale um level of awareness and
00:49:05
especially in the South Island yeah so I
00:49:07
feel like most people you metet if you
00:49:09
said I've just I've just come from Glory
00:49:11
of vale and I don't know anything about
00:49:12
what I'm doing I feel like most people
00:49:13
would be you know quite compassionate
00:49:16
yeah you just you didn't want to stand
00:49:17
out like that she could probably tell
00:49:19
did you was was your your your voice a
00:49:21
bit different to what it is now you got
00:49:22
The Good Old Glory of our accent okay Al
00:49:25
so you found a good yeah cuz you could
00:49:28
easily go to the help desk and find
00:49:29
someone that wasn't as helpful yeah you
00:49:31
you really could depending on what day
00:49:33
someone's having okay so day that
00:49:36
there's little things that you don't
00:49:37
even think about like being at an
00:49:38
airport for the first time checking your
00:49:39
luggage in going through security yeah
00:49:42
so the the lady from the help desk she
00:49:44
guided you through all of that yeah
00:49:45
should just say go that place so then
00:49:47
I'd go there work that part out then i'
00:49:49
figure out the next part then you go to
00:49:52
a cafe and get a panini and that's your
00:49:53
$200 gone I don't think that yeah yeah I
00:49:59
I can't imagine what you're going
00:50:00
through so then you're waiting for your
00:50:01
flight how long's the wait a a few hours
00:50:04
so you're just waiting by the gate yeah
00:50:06
and then my flight was delayed and I
00:50:08
didn't know what was happening but made
00:50:10
on the flight somehow
00:50:13
yeah what was that like your first
00:50:15
flight at 18 is that terrifying
00:50:18
terrifying sit next to screaming baby
00:50:21
felt like
00:50:22
home but no it's just like oh [ __ ] and I
00:50:25
didn't know where ockland was like I
00:50:27
didn't know if I knew my mom grew up in
00:50:29
New Zealand but I didn't really fathom
00:50:31
that Oakland was in New Zealand so I
00:50:34
didn't really know where I was going had
00:50:36
you never seen a map no well only of
00:50:40
like Greymouth maybe they don't really
00:50:43
they don't really show you like The
00:50:45
Wider World cuz then that might make you
00:50:47
think oh what's out there yeah yeah yeah
00:50:52
um yeah can you remember much about that
00:50:54
flight like did you did the screens come
00:50:56
down down with the what did you think of
00:50:58
the first New Zealand safety video was a
00:51:00
bit boring I don't know can't remember
00:51:04
no I supp you had a lot more lot of
00:51:06
things on your mind what about when they
00:51:07
come around and they offer you like a
00:51:08
cookie or some chips or whatever did you
00:51:10
grab that coffee did you yeah had you
00:51:14
had coffee before yeah we had a little
00:51:15
black a coffee black market yeah oh you
00:51:19
weren't supposed to have coffee no right
00:51:23
caffeine right I was caffeine sinful
00:51:26
yeah right
00:51:27
yeah okay so then you get off the get
00:51:28
off the plan at ockland yeah um and all
00:51:32
I had was that real estate agent card
00:51:34
looking for the the face that matched it
00:51:37
in the air of course cuz you didn't have
00:51:39
a phone I didn't have a phone so but how
00:51:41
how did you how did you find your way to
00:51:42
the bag baggage carousel you figure all
00:51:44
that out or I just followed the group of
00:51:46
people that came off the pl I was a I
00:51:49
was a sheep for once in my
00:51:52
life it's hard to get your head around
00:51:54
just just confusing everything is and
00:51:58
how confus okay so then you yeah so the
00:52:00
tiny little um thumbnail on the the
00:52:02
credit on the the business card yeah
00:52:04
you're looking for that person even
00:52:05
though it was how how how many years old
00:52:07
was the business card
00:52:10
like four right okay and then you
00:52:13
managed to find the person yeah keither
00:52:16
and Alex yes they so they pack you up
00:52:18
they were looking for me and I just
00:52:19
ended up seeing their face right in the
00:52:22
crowd and and what did they know of you
00:52:24
just that you were there for a holiday
00:52:26
yeah they thought was coming up for a
00:52:27
holiday and they were going to drop me
00:52:28
off the next week y when did when did
00:52:30
you drop that bombshell that you a
00:52:32
long-term
00:52:33
guest I think when we got home though
00:52:36
like oh when do when do you need to go
00:52:39
back to the airport like when do we drop
00:52:40
you back and I was like oh I can't go
00:52:43
back and then yeah they sort of realized
00:52:48
oh [ __ ] what what have we got to deal
00:52:51
with a
00:52:53
teenager yeah how were they were they
00:52:55
quite quite comp
00:52:57
oh yeah 100% they were great yeah drove
00:53:00
me around like when my mom grw up and
00:53:02
like yeah it was good that's so kind
00:53:05
isn't it yeah um and quite helpful in
00:53:09
and you're teaching you about about
00:53:11
things yeah like how to catch the bus
00:53:13
and just that was for selfish reasons
00:53:15
they just didn't want to be driving you
00:53:17
around probably a traffic yeah just like
00:53:21
supermarket and getting a bank card
00:53:23
getting ID all that stuff of course yeah
00:53:27
you don't think about that so they um
00:53:28
yeah so they they pick you up from the
00:53:29
airport and then you go to Sylvia park
00:53:32
on the way home yeah yeah my God that
00:53:34
must have been mindblowing mind blowing
00:53:37
just like the the lights the stimulation
00:53:40
everything about it everything it's like
00:53:43
what is this
00:53:44
place yeah was was that terrifying or
00:53:47
exciting a little bit terrifying but
00:53:49
then just like
00:53:50
exciting yeah and then where what shops
00:53:53
do you go to just pack and save we just
00:53:55
went to pack and save it was laid out at
00:53:56
night yeah got food and like choosing
00:53:59
something to eat I don't have a
00:54:02
clue didn't have to eat
00:54:05
porridge are do you e the same as like a
00:54:07
meal schedule in glory of Ale yeah yeah
00:54:09
yeah yeah so today's we're recording
00:54:12
this on a Wednesday what would what
00:54:14
would they be having today probably
00:54:16
liver and toast liver and gravy and
00:54:19
toast for lunch and maybe like mashed
00:54:21
potato carrots some stew for dinner and
00:54:25
some hot custard
00:54:27
dessert
00:54:30
yuck um yes so what did you have that
00:54:33
first
00:54:34
night know can't remember right not Le
00:54:38
though not Le no but you or you have a
00:54:40
Coca-Cola though yeah yeah they brought
00:54:42
me a box of
00:54:44
coke what did you know about Coke
00:54:46
nothing um you must have seen it or seen
00:54:48
branding or seen like an ad yeah I knew
00:54:52
that it just had caffeine in it you're a
00:54:55
fiend Fe for
00:54:58
the so um yeah what's a I can't cuz I
00:55:02
can't remember the first time I had I
00:55:03
had um Cocola but I I've got a problem I
00:55:06
still have like three Coke Zeros a day
00:55:07
to this day I love the stuff I'm mad for
00:55:11
it so what's it like when you have a
00:55:12
Coke for the first time at
00:55:13
18 don't know you didn't like it didn't
00:55:17
like it wasn't a
00:55:19
fan and in the book you say um you sort
00:55:22
of pretended you like it um so for Alex
00:55:24
and keithy you go like M this is
00:55:26
delicious
00:55:27
they keep buying it for
00:55:29
you why just being compliant or I was
00:55:33
too scared to say that I didn't like it
00:55:35
like to have an opinion even though I
00:55:38
had opinions but I was like didn't know
00:55:41
um like how they would react M like if
00:55:44
they' be angry at me I don't know wait
00:55:47
until Sunday yeah we're going to get the
00:55:49
Coca-Cola leadership group together so
00:55:52
and they um they must have been so
00:55:55
supportive like in did they were they
00:55:58
giving you an allowance or because that
00:56:00
$200 wouldn't have gone very far no um
00:56:04
we went to Wes and got I got a a benefit
00:56:09
okay yeah Didn't I mean
00:56:12
like got me through that time and then
00:56:15
yeah can you remember how much that was
00:56:18
I think it was like $215 a week okay
00:56:21
were they charging you some board or
00:56:22
yeah they charge me like $100 a week oh
00:56:25
yeah and then um
00:56:26
the wins gave me um a voucher for the
00:56:30
warehouse it was Buzzy going to the
00:56:32
warehouse loral doesn't believe in the
00:56:34
warehouse I so you'd never you'd never
00:56:36
been because they I think when I had
00:56:39
Rosie your friend on the podcast she
00:56:41
told me maybe should been there but it
00:56:43
was you go in you never go in alone it's
00:56:45
always in peers and you go in there with
00:56:46
a purpose like to buy 100 pairs of shoes
00:56:48
that are on sale or whatever so you you
00:56:50
could just go in and have a look around
00:56:52
and yeah why why was it Buzzy just
00:56:56
because they had banned the warehouse um
00:56:59
oh cuz they were selling B yeah yeah and
00:57:02
so then it's like oh get to do something
00:57:04
GL doesn't believe in and that sort of
00:57:06
was like against what they believed in
00:57:08
was like
00:57:10
exciting oh so you wanted to make
00:57:11
yourself like Coca-Cola I reckon for
00:57:13
that
00:57:15
re it's so much to get your head
00:57:18
around like just just beginning like
00:57:20
it's like starting starting a brand new
00:57:22
life at the age of 18 when do you when
00:57:25
do you start driving lense and things
00:57:27
pretty much straight away like I had my
00:57:29
full license within a year um just pay I
00:57:33
paid for lessons and kether took me out
00:57:37
I think the first time I drove on the
00:57:38
motorway I forgot to put my seat belt on
00:57:41
I was so terrified but no straight away
00:57:45
were you motivated personally to do all
00:57:47
these things or were were they sort of
00:57:48
like telling you this is what we need to
00:57:50
do next they like guided me but I think
00:57:54
anything that a woman couldn't do Glory
00:57:56
Val I wanted to do so like women don't
00:57:59
really learn to drive or like you don't
00:58:02
get your haircut and like anything that
00:58:04
you couldn't do I wanted to prove that I
00:58:08
could yeah and what what sort of clothes
00:58:10
did you buy for yourself when you there
00:58:12
were suddenly no restrictions well
00:58:14
thankfully I was given like a lot of
00:58:16
clothes but like I think I bought my
00:58:18
first pair of jeans the first weekend I
00:58:20
was
00:58:21
out um but yeah sh they must have felt
00:58:25
so empowering so good yeah yeah and then
00:58:28
after 7 months you move out of um Alex
00:58:30
and Keith's Place geez are you still in
00:58:32
touch with them now yeah yeah yeah yep
00:58:35
it's so kind yeah they're amazing but
00:58:39
they they really they didn't need to do
00:58:40
that I suppose not really yeah they
00:58:43
could have just run gloryv back up and
00:58:45
said like this isn't okay and sent me
00:58:48
back
00:58:50
but so when you when you leave their
00:58:52
house what do you do you move into a
00:58:54
flat with others or I ended up going so
00:58:57
I was going to church for a while when I
00:58:59
first left and an old older lady from
00:59:03
one of the churches I went and lived
00:59:05
with
00:59:06
her and good old
00:59:10
pem and then when you decid decide to um
00:59:13
educate and study I went to I did a
00:59:17
level five like Early Child Care course
00:59:20
at in the first year of leaving and then
00:59:23
started working and then two years years
00:59:26
later went to aut
00:59:30
yeah yeah so so that um that first year
00:59:33
out like it it sounds it sounds exciting
00:59:35
like there's a there's a lot of exciting
00:59:38
stuff going on
00:59:40
um but at the same time it must I don't
00:59:43
know within many times where you sort of
00:59:45
found yourself like crying yourself to
00:59:46
sleep or just cry yeah all the time and
00:59:49
like I remember being in like social
00:59:52
situations of being so anxious and like
00:59:54
having to go to the bathroom to like
00:59:55
just have a cry and like know that I
00:59:59
like I don't know you just felt so out
01:00:00
of place you didn't I didn't feel like I
01:00:02
fitted in anywhere and like I was 18 but
01:00:06
I didn't feel like I was 18 you felt
01:00:09
like just a little kid or I felt really
01:00:11
naive but then also i' had been through
01:00:13
so much [ __ ] that I was like I don't
01:00:14
relate to like the typical 18-year-
01:00:17
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01:00:19
old yeah and I suppose that you you
01:00:23
think I I should feel happy like um
01:00:26
I'm doing things but then there's all
01:00:27
this trauma stuff that at this point
01:00:29
hadn't been addressed
01:00:37
yeah yeah J you been through a lot eh
01:00:41
yeah and you've yeah you've done very
01:00:43
very
01:00:44
well so why occupational
01:00:47
therapy I think helping people find
01:00:50
meaning in life is sort of what drew me
01:00:53
to it yeah I was working and with kids
01:00:56
with disabilities at the time and I
01:00:59
think helping people that didn't have a
01:01:02
voice of their own find and have a voice
01:01:05
and be do do things that they found
01:01:07
meaningful was like really cool I think
01:01:10
and I didn't have that growing up so
01:01:15
yeah are there are there many people
01:01:17
with um disabilities or special needs in
01:01:19
glor val not too many and the ones that
01:01:22
were weren't treated very nicely really
01:01:25
in what way
01:01:26
because they couldn't work they couldn't
01:01:27
tow the line and they couldn't be like
01:01:30
how never wanted them to be and there
01:01:32
was just a lot of
01:01:34
bullying
01:01:35
yeah so your sister in India um precious
01:01:39
that's your name she's been there since
01:01:41
20 2012 yeah so so she left Gloria Vale
01:01:45
uh to go to India you left four years
01:01:48
later
01:01:50
um why did she leave what are your
01:01:52
Recollections of that
01:01:54
time why did my sister yeah to go to
01:01:57
India she had visited once when she was
01:02:00
17 and then um the leaders wanted
01:02:04
someone to marry a man over there and
01:02:08
she was chosen to go and yeah so she
01:02:11
left to go marry
01:02:13
him uh and you said on the um escaping
01:02:16
Utopia documentary my goal is I will not
01:02:18
let her be forgotten yeah um and and you
01:02:22
haven't no you're still working on it
01:02:25
still working on it yeah so in the uh
01:02:28
escaping Utopia documentary there's um a
01:02:30
phone call that's recorded on camera um
01:02:32
and it was like the third call that
01:02:34
you'd had in N9 years so you had this
01:02:36
number um and you kept on trying yeah
01:02:39
but it was hardly ever answered what was
01:02:42
that like were you nervous when you know
01:02:44
when you were making the phone call on
01:02:45
camera yeah it was being recorded yeah
01:02:48
didn't you didn't well you didn't know
01:02:49
what she was going to ask it yeah
01:02:52
but no and because it's like our lives
01:02:56
are so different and it was like how do
01:02:58
I relate to her
01:03:01
yeah do
01:03:02
you yeah because the impression that you
01:03:05
got in there that escaping Utopia
01:03:07
documentary you go over to India and you
01:03:09
get the feeling um that she's miserable
01:03:13
and she's just like waiting for God to
01:03:16
save her yeah basically waiting waiting
01:03:18
to die for something better to come
01:03:19
along yeah I mean I was like I thought
01:03:23
it was going to be bad but that was
01:03:25
really bad and like I didn't even
01:03:27
recognize her she wasn't my sister like
01:03:29
she wasn't who I remembered as my sister
01:03:32
how was that seeing her on camera for
01:03:33
the first time in like 10 years
01:03:35
heartbreaking heartbreaking yeah yeah
01:03:37
you described her in that documentary as
01:03:39
lifeless yeah yeah
01:03:43
yeah yeah what did that do to you like
01:03:45
when when you when you drive away and
01:03:47
you're back at your hotel in India or
01:03:49
whatever yeah knowing you're leaving
01:03:50
your sister behind and your nieces and
01:03:52
nephews
01:03:53
um yeah
01:03:56
yeah yeah describe that
01:03:57
feeling it's just like dispar in a way
01:04:01
like it's just like there was no hope
01:04:05
and it was like how can I it was hard to
01:04:07
walk away knowing that how they were
01:04:09
living and knowing that there was like
01:04:12
no future for them and where are things
01:04:15
at now um we've done a lot of work with
01:04:19
NB and the the Border people and the
01:04:22
police um done lots of interviews memor
01:04:26
and working with Debra Manning human
01:04:27
rights lawyer um and they're they're
01:04:31
taking it quite seriously and it's work
01:04:34
in progress like we're con they updating
01:04:36
us often and yeah so for you what would
01:04:40
what would the dream scenario be in
01:04:42
terms of your sister and her family to
01:04:44
get them back to New Zealand yeah get
01:04:46
them back to New Zealand um not
01:04:49
necessarily to leave glor Val but like
01:04:52
to get them to have a life and like to
01:04:54
have
01:04:56
a choice like that that not stuck in
01:04:59
India yeah because from because from
01:05:01
what I could GA from the the vague but
01:05:04
pieces I've seen in the do documentary
01:05:05
that's the issue that they may not have
01:05:06
the necessary documentation so her
01:05:08
passport might be expired or she may not
01:05:10
be able to get passports or
01:05:11
documentation for the kids to leave the
01:05:13
country yeah okay so yeah so she might
01:05:16
come your goal would be that she might
01:05:18
come back to New Zealand potentially go
01:05:19
back into Glory of Al if that's what she
01:05:20
chooses to do with the kids you just
01:05:23
rather be in New Zealand than over in
01:05:24
India yeah and like have the support of
01:05:26
my family I mean the culture in India is
01:05:30
not great and like how she's been like
01:05:33
the abuse the cycle of abuse that's in
01:05:35
New Zealand gloral is carried on over
01:05:38
there and like the kids aren't safe and
01:05:40
she's not
01:05:42
safe um where does this energy for you
01:05:46
come from like to keep to keep fighting
01:05:48
like you've you know it's hard enough
01:05:50
work um you know establishing your own
01:05:53
life and your own career like as a as a
01:05:55
you know a woman that's newly fairly
01:05:57
newly like you know escaped or exited
01:06:00
Glory of veil yeah um yeah where does
01:06:02
the energy come from for you like to
01:06:03
keep fighting for your sister I think
01:06:05
the sense of justice and the sense of
01:06:08
that everyone deserves to have the
01:06:12
choice to leave gloral that I had and my
01:06:14
sister doesn't have that choice right
01:06:16
now and neither do her
01:06:19
kids what do you think she makes of um
01:06:21
you and the life you're leading now who
01:06:24
knows I mean I hope that she looks them
01:06:28
and sees
01:06:30
like that at least I have a future and a
01:06:33
choice now um and that I'm happy um but
01:06:38
yeah I don't know was she your older
01:06:41
sister yeah she's my older sister yeah
01:06:44
what what was she like was she more
01:06:45
compliant than what you were more
01:06:47
compliant yeah and like really cared
01:06:49
about what the leaders thought and like
01:06:51
just trying to get by m and just wanting
01:06:55
to get away from like the abuse of like
01:06:58
my
01:06:59
father well here here in New Zealand
01:07:01
there's um round about 5 million of us
01:07:04
um and only 600 of that 5 million are in
01:07:07
glory of our so what could the rest of
01:07:09
us do to help or
01:07:11
support I think like keep ringing your
01:07:14
local MPS keep um like asking questions
01:07:18
about that like asking what they're
01:07:19
going to do but like if you ever metet
01:07:21
someone from gloral like just I guess
01:07:25
treat them like a normal person like
01:07:26
don't put us all in in a box but
01:07:30
also yeah have talk say hello M but in
01:07:36
terms of shutting down gloral I think
01:07:39
it's just you're keeping on like
01:07:41
advocating and like if there's either
01:07:43
petitions or anything like just join it
01:07:46
and like there's always someone there's
01:07:49
always cases but yeah but listen listen
01:07:52
to our stories when when people meet
01:07:55
yeah what what do they what do they want
01:07:57
to know is it basically the Instagram
01:07:58
questions I had a lot of it is does that
01:08:01
get annoying or a little bit annoying
01:08:04
and some sometimes people tell you how
01:08:07
glor vals running it's like okay but
01:08:10
then they don't listen to you so then I
01:08:12
don't really have time for and real so
01:08:14
they're basing it on what they've seen
01:08:15
on TV or yeah what sort of things what
01:08:18
are they saying oh they just ask you
01:08:20
like oh so this happened to you and it's
01:08:22
like not really like that but like they
01:08:24
think that they know how glor Bells run
01:08:28
yeah it's so annoying when you meet
01:08:30
people like that yeah yeah yeah I mean
01:08:34
there's um there's a saying that you've
01:08:36
got one you know one mouth and two ears
01:08:38
and you should use them and equal yeah
01:08:42
um okay let's talk about your life now
01:08:44
just as we wrap up so you put a post on
01:08:47
um Instagram last September where you
01:08:48
talked about your medication for
01:08:50
depression yep yeah how's your mental
01:08:53
health now um good good M stable as good
01:08:58
as it can be I think it's a it's a
01:09:00
journey yeah how so how was your mental
01:09:02
health and and Glory of our like up
01:09:03
until the age of 18 just like anxiety
01:09:07
and like just numb
01:09:11
and wasn't life wasn't really worth
01:09:14
living you did you ever contemplate um
01:09:17
like taking your own life in glory
01:09:20
of not really it was only once I left
01:09:24
yeah yeah
01:09:26
you
01:09:28
okay when was that first two years first
01:09:32
three were really hard like frequently
01:09:36
yeah and lots of panic attacks lots of
01:09:38
just like what am I doing like yeah
01:09:43
that's so understandable yeah um but you
01:09:46
see from the glory of our leaders
01:09:48
perspective they'd be like see this is
01:09:50
what exactly they would blame it on the
01:09:52
fact that you've left the security of
01:09:54
Glory Avail it's
01:09:56
like oh it's just like
01:09:58
I yeah I mean I'm an a of what you've
01:10:01
done like I can't imagine being in your
01:10:03
position at the age of 18 and like
01:10:04
starting to set up a life from brand new
01:10:06
at that point it's a lot to go through
01:10:08
so I'm not surprised how did you how did
01:10:10
you get out of that sort of fun Co how
01:10:11
did you get through
01:10:12
that
01:10:14
um therapy and like just talking about
01:10:18
it um and then just writing things down
01:10:23
and I think going to UNI sort of sa
01:10:25
saved me in a way yeah opened up my
01:10:28
world viw yeah yeah who how did you know
01:10:32
about therapy or who who suggested you
01:10:33
get therapy it was
01:10:36
after it was after I did my first police
01:10:39
statement um in
01:10:42
2018 and then yeah they offered me a
01:10:44
therapist you get like five free
01:10:47
sessions and then you got to find your
01:10:48
own and yeah that was a mission of its
01:10:53
own yeah everything's everything's a
01:10:55
mission know yeah so oh yes what was the
01:10:57
what was the police meeting for just um
01:11:00
a statement to like report some of my um
01:11:04
abuse like sexual abuse as a child
01:11:08
yeah was that from your father no from
01:11:11
family members okay
01:11:14
okay has that been addressed by the
01:11:17
courts no never went further
01:11:21
right how do you feel about that
01:11:25
it's it's hard to like feel that you've
01:11:28
been heard but I think as long as it's
01:11:30
in the system and there's a record and
01:11:32
no one else gets hurt by the same person
01:11:35
I feel like it was worth
01:11:38
doing was there like a rock bottom
01:11:40
moment for you after leaving Glory of
01:11:45
V I think yeah 2018 I moved house like
01:11:51
five times and like just feeling like
01:11:55
what's the point what's the point of
01:11:58
life and just
01:12:00
[Music]
01:12:02
yeah how are you today when we're
01:12:04
sitting here today in
01:12:06
2025 I think this year is going to be
01:12:08
good I'm like grounded and know who I am
01:12:12
and
01:12:13
like yeah building my confidence yeah
01:12:18
and um Kevin your partner yeah when did
01:12:21
you guys meet how how how did this
01:12:23
relationship come about well we meet
01:12:24
through
01:12:25
friends
01:12:27
um and then yeah we started going out
01:12:32
and just over six years later we're
01:12:34
still
01:12:35
together it's awesome yeah great that's
01:12:38
cool so you met three friends um did he
01:12:41
did he know about your your history that
01:12:43
you from glor no no just from me I had
01:12:46
sort of told him he wasn't phased at all
01:12:49
was curious or any questions or he was
01:12:52
curious but more like that I was okay
01:12:54
and like
01:12:55
like are your family still ping you and
01:12:58
like just more like making sure I was
01:13:01
okay just supportive yeah yeah which is
01:13:03
how how a healthy relationship should be
01:13:05
exactly yeah yeah you what are your
01:13:08
plans for the future so you guys got a
01:13:10
house y you um his his um childhood cat
01:13:14
has just recently died at the age of 14
01:13:17
Y and yeah we're going to get a dog in a
01:13:19
couple of weeks so yeah and then just
01:13:22
travel yeah yep you we you want to go
01:13:25
what do you want to do I want to go to
01:13:27
Japan but he wants to go to Mongolia
01:13:29
don't ask me why
01:13:32
but now how do you feel about the future
01:13:34
you feel optimistic yeah yeah yeah it's
01:13:37
it's daunting like I have to try not to
01:13:40
think about my sister in India too much
01:13:43
in terms of like sometimes I feel like
01:13:45
I'm not doing
01:13:47
enough
01:13:49
but just got to keep having the
01:13:51
conversations and keep working on it and
01:13:54
know that something will happen and what
01:13:57
brings you Joy
01:13:59
now um just life and like nature
01:14:05
um my job and yeah having a home yeah
01:14:09
having a place to call home yeah do you
01:14:12
have more happy days than sad days
01:14:14
definitely yeah
01:14:17
yeah yeah and we've mentioned your
01:14:19
sister that's um over in India and
01:14:21
you've got another sister that's just
01:14:22
sitting through the other side of the
01:14:24
glass right now yeah um she's only been
01:14:27
out 3 years yeah how how's how's she
01:14:29
doing cuz I
01:14:30
suppose I mean you've got a big head
01:14:32
start on her like 5 years so you can
01:14:34
sort of picture where you were 3 years
01:14:36
in which was a dark place um how's she
01:14:39
doing she's doing good just like keeping
01:14:42
on having conversations
01:14:46
and helping her find her confidence but
01:14:48
she's doing really well um just
01:14:51
navigating the therapy like the ACC
01:14:54
therapy system is really tough so and
01:14:58
and that's like a big passion for me is
01:15:00
like helping that that become easier for
01:15:02
other levers like helping them being
01:15:04
able to access that support yeah yeah
01:15:07
how often do you see a therapist now
01:15:10
every week still yeah do you find it
01:15:12
helpful it is helpful but do you find a
01:15:15
good one I have found a good one now but
01:15:18
it's taken me a while yeah it yeah it
01:15:22
can take a while yeah they say that
01:15:24
about I I put off go to therapy for a
01:15:26
long time for that reason because some
01:15:28
friends of mine said oh it's really good
01:15:29
but you know it takes a while to find
01:15:30
the right one it's like I don't want to
01:15:32
have that introductory session over and
01:15:34
over again it's like I just rather you
01:15:38
just bottle things up but um if you if
01:15:40
you persist through it and find a good
01:15:42
one that is um well worthwhile yeah yeah
01:15:46
100%
01:15:48
yeah you think you'll ever fully get
01:15:50
over the trauma no I think it's with you
01:15:53
for life yeah
01:15:55
but you're managing to coexist with it
01:15:57
yeah yeah yeah and this book um a story
01:16:03
of surviving Glory of
01:16:05
unveiled proud of it very proud yeah
01:16:08
yeah how do you feel about it coming out
01:16:10
like um anxiety nerves a little bit
01:16:12
nervous but I hope I've like done it
01:16:16
justice and like used my voice well
01:16:20
enough in it I guess like The Advocate
01:16:22
like for other women and not just women
01:16:25
from gloral but like women in any
01:16:27
controlled
01:16:29
environment
01:16:31
yeah I I can see why you were um when
01:16:33
you were still in glor why you attracted
01:16:35
to Katie Perry's music it's um it's very
01:16:37
um female empowerment yeah yeah you know
01:16:41
you're going to hear me roar it's it's a
01:16:43
great song yeah and you know you're a
01:16:44
firework um yeah I think um Katy Per
01:16:49
would like to hear that yeah yeah I
01:16:51
think like the the name of the book um
01:16:54
like whole unveiled part is like in
01:16:57
their woman wear veils like their head
01:16:59
scarf and that's supposed to mean that
01:17:02
they're in submission to the men and
01:17:04
like that they don't have a voice so
01:17:06
like that was the reason for calling it
01:17:08
unveiled like taking off that Veil and
01:17:11
using the voice that I have yeah using
01:17:14
like working with my strengths and being
01:17:17
me do do you have um at the time we're
01:17:21
recording this the book's yet to be
01:17:22
released do you have like moments where
01:17:24
you wake up in the middle of the night
01:17:25
thinking about you know some old friends
01:17:28
or family reading it and you know what I
01:17:30
mean those moments of like what the Yeah
01:17:33
[ __ ] this kind of there might be some
01:17:36
people questioning themselves like I
01:17:38
don't know if you read in that part
01:17:39
about the my my I don't know just the
01:17:42
things I used to get up to and glor like
01:17:44
spitting in the Leader ice cream oh no I
01:17:50
yesterday I'm a real slow reader oh my
01:17:52
God is that right
01:17:55
I think there might be some leaders
01:17:56
thinking [ __ ] wasn't mine
01:18:01
but oh what else what other stuff did
01:18:03
you get out to oh um we used to go on
01:18:06
like vacations once a year like know our
01:18:09
family went to puni one year um and it's
01:18:12
quite quite a touristy sort of place and
01:18:14
like I found a beer bottle in the bush
01:18:17
and pretended to be drunk one time it's
01:18:20
like my Goro outfit like 14 stum I was
01:18:23
like stumbling around and
01:18:25
pretending to be
01:18:27
drunk how how did you how did you know
01:18:29
what it meant to be drunk I don't I
01:18:31
think just from movies I think oh yeah
01:18:34
um like in the movies that like
01:18:35
portrayed the world as being a bad place
01:18:38
yeah and I and part of me wanted like
01:18:40
embarrass
01:18:41
glor what's your relationship with
01:18:43
alcohol like now can you remember the
01:18:45
first time you got drunk yeah was that
01:18:48
18 18 after you got out yeah well there
01:18:50
was they have Hound in gloro they what
01:18:53
this the home grew it was called Hound
01:18:56
they don't make it anymore but a wh
01:18:57
Hound wh Hound was made from hops it
01:18:59
tastes like Spates right we used to
01:19:01
drink that like 1.5 L bottles of that
01:19:04
stuff but like who who you and you and
01:19:06
the bad kids yeah would break the locks
01:19:08
and get
01:19:10
it but um outside I think the first the
01:19:14
first thing I think I got drunk off was
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like a bottle of
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scrumpy um but
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no have a good red wine now can't go
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wrong don't we all sister centr Flo pen
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on tell you what it's the best hey um
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it's been great to uh sit down with you
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today Theo yeah thank you it's really
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cool um I'm incredibly proud of you and
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I hope you're proud of yourself too yeah
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definitely oh and Taylor Smith now what
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do we what do we think we like Taylor
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yeah she's great yeah yeah that's good
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all right hey um best of luck for the
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book hey thank you and um best of luck
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for the future hopefully um yeah
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hopefully there's more happy days than
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sad days yep
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hopefully there is