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Sharon Stone what can you say are you're
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gon to be listening to her in 22 seconds
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depend how long we go you wish it'll be
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way longer Sharon Stone you know just
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did my first movie with the lovely
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Sharon Stone she was perfectly wonderful
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on it uh we didn't have a lot of scenes
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together but we stayed in the same
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apartment complex every time I see her I
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bore the [ __ ] out of her that story and
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I thought I saw at the Oscar at a thing
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um and I went hunting for I wanted to
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say hi to her and she's always fun
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upbeat and very much a movie star and
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sort of kind of old school movie star
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just really pretty from from Basic
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Instinct on actually from Total Recall
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on always followed what she did she's
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very interesting to talk to I mean she
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mentioned Humphrey Bogart you know first
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time we kind of dove into Humphrey
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Bogart the way his suits were tailored
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so shander's in a lot of different
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directions she's a painter that has
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shows all over the world she's been an
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icon
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figure in American Cinema we'll talk a
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lot about casino and what's difference
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between acting with Joe pesi and Robert
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that's right there is well you're not if
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you're driving your car you're going boy
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I'm not pulling over I'm gonna listen to
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this STI it out she's Charming smart and
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um quite a delight one of the few hosts
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that took a pee break she says I'm I
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allowed to take a pee break and David
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said no and I said no no no come on I
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said uh you're the only host to do it
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but let's do it and she hosted SNL too
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uh she was such a good sport and we talk
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about the the comedy that we did in in
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1992 with Sharon Stone we would be
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literally arrested now so she was a good
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sport about it but that was
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1992 someone would have come out of the
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HS and done a Citizens
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cancel just hold you till the cops come
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to cancel you it was uh it's it was a
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but she was uh so good in it she said
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well anyway listen to this podcast it's
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really interesting I enjoyed it there
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she
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[Music]
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is hi long time I haven't seen you how
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are you I know why do you look the same
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and I look like I belong in an old folks
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home we are getting old aren't we it's
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incredible Sharon thought I was Nick
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Noti when she jumped on that's true I
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did you do have a a Noti sort of from
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Prince of Tides though or from Jesus
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you need a little bit more of that shag
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cut into the top of your hair to be Nick
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NTI did you know that Nick nly and
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Mickey roor are best friends well I
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gotta say they're both unbelievably nice
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men I know both of them quite well I
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worked with um Nick which was fantastic
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I did a movie with Nick and Jeff Bridges
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it was wonderful and then h a Sam
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Shepard film and then Mickey I've known
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forever I went to Russia with with um
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Mickey to to help raise money for
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children's sonology Ward and Mickey and
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his best friend went
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out and got a Santa suit and bought
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presents for every kid in the
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ward and he's just so kind Mickey's such
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a kind man and so crazy brilliant the
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wrestler he did you know a few years
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back not kind of a Next Level type of
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acting Nicholas Cage you know in the
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early days they all wanted to be friends
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with Mickey yeah so Nicholas Cage wanted
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to be friends he' be like yeah I'll come
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over and he said that Mickey roric would
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always have him go to like the store on
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the way over there hey could you get me
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some orange
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juice funny so so nice Nick is a
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fabulous actor too wow Nikki Noy yeah no
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Nick
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cage he'll make these incred strange
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movies and no matter what he does
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they're so
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fascinating Pig was fabulous I don't
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know if you saw that it was about yes I
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did see it he he he doesn't believe in
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realism he's he I did a movie with him
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once he goes in this next take I'm gonna
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do Daniel D Lewis from the name of the
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father but the movie had nothing it was
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a comedy nothing to do with that so he
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came in and he just dropped to his
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sneeze why
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why he is the most eccentric the
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funniest guy ever but he's he's he's
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he's uh got all these cool character
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Parts he's doing lately that are so
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brilliant just quirky movies yeah
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yeah who was you when you were a little
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girl I just I I like to do Oprah stuff
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like who were the actors or actresses
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that you went holy [ __ ] or the movies
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that you saw iess with Humphrey Bogart
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he was the Great greatest greatest
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greatest actor and he was so cool and
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his suit jackets always fit really
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well um the back of his suit jackets fit
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really beautifully around his waist and
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his bum tailored so beautifully like
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someone knew how to like really fit his
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clothes and I thought Spencer Tracy was
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really so
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um he had such a great way of expressing
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his
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tenderness in a very
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quiet way he had such
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a quality where you really felt like you
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could trust him somehow he had something
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where he let you open up to the
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characters he played and I really like
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that do you know what's in my uh my wife
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and I I always I always go by movie you
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you will revisit and so guess Guess
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Who's Coming to Dinner it's become a
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thing that we see once a year now yeah
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and Spencer Trac if you know his speech
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at the end uh you know just cut you in
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half uh to to about the love of Sydney
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potier and you know Sydney po by the way
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what a phenomenal human being and I had
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the great joy and pleasure of being
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friends with Sydney and you know he gave
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me a lot of advice over the years and
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what a good man just what
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a wow elegant elegant man just to watch
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him walk El it was
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just yeah a great wisdom about life and
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a great understanding
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about life and I know I got to make him
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laugh once I did these events for Cedar
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Sinai heart stuff and uh I would do like
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my little shtick and then he stopped me
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and I was so nervous to be around him
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and he's I've seen you many times and he
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gave me a compliment so I said I used to
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do you so I all I could think of was
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they call me Mr tibs which was 1968 or
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something was unbelievable in that movie
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with rodar he was so oh yeah In the Heat
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of the Night yeah because you know I had
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the also the privilege of working with
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rodiger earlier in my career and you
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know he was tough he wasn't fooling
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around man and he put you through your
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Paces on set I mean he was a tough dude
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and you know I'm sure he wasn't easy on
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Sydney either yeah whatever chemistry
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they had I think it's one of the seminal
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moments in film history is when I
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believe Sydney po slaps some white
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southern guy yeah he slaps the sheriff
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when the sheriff slaps him slaps him
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back yeah and that was like
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phenomenal yeah You' who who haven't you
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worked with I haven't worked with some
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of the like I haven't worked with Javier
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bardam who is someone I would like to
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work with um I haven't worked a lot of
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these like new directors and I would
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really like to do that um I say new
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they're probably not so new but they're
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new since since my spree in the 90s you
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know uh there's a lot great young people
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now that are really exciting you
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know um who do you who do you think shif
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LA or no sorry uh sh who sh sorry Shila
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labou I'm sorry a great actor I am I
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like I think Shila is is actually very
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very talented and I think tremendous I
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think he's really really intelligent and
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I think that his intelligence is
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probably a bit high for our occupation
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and I think that people don't always
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understand him I think the Opera that he
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did the sh laou Opera was so brilliant
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and that some of these things that he
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does are probably just a little over the
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head of some of the people that are
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looking at him you know I had the
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opportunity to sit next to him one night
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at an event and he was just a he's
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brilliant human being um and I see this
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with some actors that people don't
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understand sometimes they're just super
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smart well like me but you know with
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with Shila Buff I think he comes out in
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Transformers and people just think he's
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going to have sort of a cookie cutter
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situation career that they could predict
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and he does something a little beyond
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that and beyond that every time and
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people don't quite get it and they
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they're like wait what are you doing and
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he should be allowed to do all that
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because it's very cool can I ask you
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both a question what was the name of the
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movie where it was about his childhood
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and his dad was a stage dad and that's
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such a heartbreaking movie and if that
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is
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autobiographical you can see where all
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his his stuff comes interesting because
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I I just saw a little clip of William
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defo talking about how all actors are
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scared and if they're not scared they
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don't give a [ __ ] and frankly I don't
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think that's really true and I think
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that sh is one of them that isn't scared
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and he also isn't that he doesn't give a
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[ __ ] I think that he grew up with so
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much Terror
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that like this thing that he does now
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expressing the truth of his imagination
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is probably the most freeing and lacks
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such severe consequences that he is able
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to go beyond some of the things that
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people who haven't been through what
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he's been through can can ascertain and
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can can get to you know yeah he has that
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quality like you feel like he needs to
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do this you know it's medicinal it's not
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like a just a career it's an art it's
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his vocation yeah right and I think for
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many of us who just keep going it's
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because it really is our vocation being
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an artist really is our vocation it's
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not just a job you know in the beginning
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I thought oh you're supposed to take all
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these parts because you know came from a
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very bluecar family and I thought well
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that's what jobs are yeah you're
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supposed to just work I didn't really
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understand that we were actually
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allowed
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to be our whole self as an
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artist you know that's not something
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that anybody talks to you about when you
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start becoming an actor that you should
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express yourself fully especially woman
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they're like shut [ __ ] up it's personal
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it's not like switching jobs at a
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department store it's it's not any
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complaint it's it's a glamorous
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profession to to The Outsiders but when
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you're in something that really really
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sucks and you know you're going down
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with the ship and the bullets you're out
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in front of the bullets and you go to
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the dailies you go oh this sucks it's a
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horrible and I always knew that meant I
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was going to be the one selling it
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because all the M abandon ship and she
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selling this one yeah and it would be
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called Sharon Stones whatever like as if
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it's you were the director the producer
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the writer you know that's it's did you
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uh run into a lot of
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Macho men in the 80s that treated women
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not very well 80s
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and I mean I don't know is was it pish
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men no I know I'm kidding but when I
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when I started working the rules were
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very different you know people were
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taking their penises out in the makeup
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trailer and doing coke off the back of
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the makeup mirrors and hookers were
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coming to the set and drug dealers and
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all that lot of coke yeah yeah you know
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you you're old enough to remember this
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stuff remember I I would I would hear
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men in a room talk about women with such
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contempt together it it kind of shocked
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me because I had like a rough childhood
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I didn't like the way my dad treated my
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mom and I didn't come from that place
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but yeah there's a lot of anger toward
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women like whoa whoa where is this
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coming from yeah so you obviously you
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went through the gauntlet and a lot of
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the brunt of that anger because if
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you're a woman that's starts to get any
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power at all like shut up you know they
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you started producing co-producing
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production company you were taking the
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Reigns of your career and they're like
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Sharon you're doing really well we still
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want you to shut up do you understand
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yeah exactly yeah and and and I heard
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really recently like as recently as a
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few weeks ago a statement about me which
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was nobody likes a loudmouth
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broad did you just think that was about
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you or was it
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about it was a direct it was directly
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about me and oh Jesus so Harvey
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Weinstein gave an interview or
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prison he hasn't and and I get it I get
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it I really get it because um I am a
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loudmouth robot and and I get it I get I
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really do understand
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[Music]
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it before you who who tried to take the
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Reigns away from the men and who who
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pushed back like you and you of our
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generation was probably the first and
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also was in this spectacular Global hit
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which gave you so much power um but was
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were there anyone before you that you
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look to would Katherine he pretty tough
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in a way you wouldn't take you know she
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made her own production company which
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was so unheard of Betty Davis made her
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own production company which was really
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really unheard of Lucy
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Lucy who I actually met and got to put
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on stage a couple of times early when I
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was doing events um I got to be the wing
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person that got to put her on
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stage so I met some really
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interesting people from that Old Guard
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and you
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know it
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was I mean it's it's not nice to say
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that these women were battle AES it's a
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weird expression but they had battled
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their way through I mean hardcore
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battling it and they wore that battle
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you know it
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wasn't it wasn't easily won anything
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that any of those women
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did well you you came through which is
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slightly different from I would say
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there uh as a sex symbol what whatever
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you want to call it so when you were
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exploding you also were a sex symbol and
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a woman it was a it was a it was a
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different Lane than previous there might
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have been other beautiful women but you
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were the first that I think played
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essentially got a Golden Globe or could
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have been Academy Award nomination for
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Basic Instinct and also being very very
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a beautiful young woman um so were you
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the first in that way to explode in a
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movie as the co-lead with Michael
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Douglas I think no one was really ready
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for what happened with that movie you
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know it it was tough to make that film
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we had a lot a lot of
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resistance um a lot of resistance in the
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street a lot of resistance everywhere um
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I I mean resistance
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within there was just it was a hard
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movie to get made it was a hard movie to
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make it was a hard movie to finish um my
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name wasn't even you know on the poster
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you know I was not it was a Michael
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Douglas movie it was Michael Douglas
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Basic Instinct and I was on the poster
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but not my name which ultimately worked
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out to be quite beneficial for me
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because people were like who's the girl
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right you know who's that girl gez she's
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all through that movie who's that girl
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and it did you audition did you have to
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audition a bunch who did you beat out I
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auditioned for uh eight and a half
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months and I was the 13th woman that
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they offered the film to they didn't
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offer it to me right away um I had to
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wait for 13 other more important
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actresses to turn it down and many they
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really wanted Michelle feifer they
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didn't want me um but she turned it down
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and they kept going back to her and she
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kept turning it down thankfully and they
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offered it to just a ton of different
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people that weren't me and I just kept
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hanging in there and I kept screen
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testing and I kept auditioning for over
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eight months wow it's smart you didn't
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say [ __ ] this I'm not it's now it's
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getting humiliating I'm G to walk away
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you just stayed stayed stayed no did
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that for Casino too I mean they saw
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every show girl in Vegas they saw tons
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and tons and tons of actresses and by
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the time Casino came around I was like I
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am not going to line up with show girls
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and I am not going to line up with the
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other 3,000 actresses and I finally just
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said no I'm not coming in until you get
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down to Serious casting and I'm done
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being yanked around in the business I
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really want this part and I'm really
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right for it and when you get to real
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casting let me know wow I mean it just
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so shows you because You' done Total
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Recall before Basic Instinct sure Paul
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and then you know and then you done many
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other movies so yeah just you're always
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auditioning in Hollywood never was Total
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Recall really big it just I mean it
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can't compete with I guess Basic
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Instinct but Total Recall in my
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collection was huge it was big and I was
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famous for a few months and then it kind
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of you know what I mean yeah that's what
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happened it buys you six more months in
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the business yeah it was like okay you
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did that and then one but it didn't hold
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enough power to get me the part uh in
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Basic Instinct [ __ ] wow so then here you
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are in your career Basic Instinct goes
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crazy and then you get a call from
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Lauren Michaels
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well I you know I think Lauren is a
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wonderful person I mean you guys have
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much closer relationships with him quite
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obviously than I do but he personally
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saved my life you know I came to do
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Saturday Night Live with you guys um
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which I was so excited to do and scared
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really scared and I came out to do the
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monologue live which is always super
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scary and oh yeah um a bunch of people
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started uh storming the stage saying
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they were going to kill me during the
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opening monologue and
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the the police that are always in there
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during all that and the security that's
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always in there froze because they'
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never seen anything like that happen and
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they sort of they froze and Lauren
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started screaming what are you guys
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doing watching the [ __ ] show and
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Lauren started beat himself beating up
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and pulling these people back from the
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stage
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and the stage manager looked at me and
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went hold for five and I thought he
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meant five minutes and he meant five
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seconds and so all these people were
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getting beat up and handcuffed right in
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front of me and we went
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live and I was doing this Live monologue
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while they were handcuffing and beating
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up people at my feet and if you think
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the monologue is scary to start with try
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doing it while people are saying they're
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going to kill you and they're
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handcuffing them while you're doing the
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monologue can I what were they so mad
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about yeah yeah what well first of all
00:21:05
when you watch it on YouTube are you
00:21:07
watching the dress monologue or it's
00:21:10
actually the one right after the melee
00:21:13
when you watch it on YouTube the M real
00:21:16
okay what were they mad about they were
00:21:18
mad because it was the beginning of my
00:21:21
work as an AIDS field worker and as an
00:21:24
AIDS activist and they didn't understand
00:21:28
nobody understood at that time what was
00:21:30
really happening and they didn't know if
00:21:34
Amar could be trusted or if we were
00:21:36
against gay people or what was they
00:21:38
didn't really know and so instead of
00:21:42
waiting for an informative intelligent
00:21:45
conversation they just decided well
00:21:47
we'll just kill her and it was like it
00:21:51
was very intense and I went through you
00:21:53
know a couple years of really tough
00:21:56
times with that until we people started
00:21:59
to really understand what we were trying
00:22:01
to do and
00:22:04
um gosh I just I was so not prepared and
00:22:09
in those days as you remember the
00:22:11
audience wasn't up like it is now you
00:22:14
literally ran through the audience to
00:22:16
make your changes and so every time we
00:22:19
were making a change and you're really
00:22:21
physically changing your clothes while
00:22:22
you're running through the audience I
00:22:24
was just terrified I I honestly I I
00:22:28
blacked out for half of the show I knew
00:22:31
part I mean we did that skip going
00:22:33
through the um airport
00:22:36
security I'm sure you remember that and
00:22:39
uh you know it's all funny but I came
00:22:41
too for that one I mean I came to for
00:22:44
like to SK I came to for but for most of
00:22:47
the show I was completely blacked out
00:22:49
with Terror I didn't even know where I
00:22:51
was first of all I mean I well as you
00:22:54
mentioned this I remember it but I must
00:22:56
have been getting a on or something but
00:22:59
you're saying that Lauren Michaels
00:23:01
actually waited in how many were there
00:23:03
like 10 people and they must have been
00:23:06
like secret agents they had to go in
00:23:07
very
00:23:09
stealthy a how many there were or if
00:23:11
there were three or five or something
00:23:13
but it wasn't huge number of people but
00:23:15
it was it was enough that Lauren was in
00:23:18
there physically trying to contain them
00:23:21
himself helping and he told me about it
00:23:24
at the party he said it was uh you know
00:23:26
there was a sucker punch
00:23:29
um I I I went
00:23:31
forut um I think that Jen hooks had a
00:23:34
gentleman in a headlock and then like
00:23:37
Sharon landed the monologue it was like
00:23:40
that it was so well the monologue was
00:23:42
great I watched it I watched it this
00:23:44
morning and I want to apologize publicly
00:23:48
for the uh Security check sketch where I
00:23:51
played in an Indian man and we're
00:23:55
convincing Sharon her character or
00:23:58
whatever to take her clothes off to go
00:24:00
through the security thing Rob just want
00:24:03
it's it's it's so
00:24:06
1992 it's from another era I feel very I
00:24:12
you know I don't have as many um I know
00:24:16
the difference between a misdemeanor and
00:24:18
a
00:24:19
felony and I think that we were all
00:24:22
committing misdemeanors because we
00:24:24
didn't think that they were there was
00:24:26
something wrong then we didn't have this
00:24:28
sense I had much bigger problems than
00:24:32
that you know what I mean that was funny
00:24:34
to me I didn't care I was fine being the
00:24:36
butt of the joke but I
00:24:39
I I feel like now we're in such a weird
00:24:43
and precious time where because people
00:24:45
have spent too much time
00:24:48
alone people don't know how to be funny
00:24:53
and intimate and or any of these things
00:24:57
with each other and body so afraid that
00:24:59
they're putting up such barriers around
00:25:01
everything that people can't be normal
00:25:03
with each other anymore it's lost all
00:25:06
sense of reason we need real laws so
00:25:09
that we know what's a felony what's a
00:25:11
misdemeanor and what's an offense to me
00:25:15
and and you can say I'm offended no
00:25:18
that's against the
00:25:20
law you know we need to know uh and the
00:25:24
fact that we don't know has a lot of
00:25:26
people who shouldn't be making up things
00:25:28
making them up well as a comedian you do
00:25:31
self-censor yourself or if you're
00:25:33
sitting around with friends and you're
00:25:35
kind of laughing thinking to St you go
00:25:36
oh you can't say that or you can't say
00:25:38
that or you can't do that you just
00:25:40
automatically get into that zone where
00:25:43
you know obviously for me when I was
00:25:45
doing the Indian character and I
00:25:47
actually have an Indian cardiologist
00:25:48
who's famous and whenever I do events
00:25:50
for him he wants me to do him um there
00:25:54
there was no malice in it there was no
00:25:56
sense of try it was really me
00:25:58
rhythmically trying to get laughs so I
00:26:00
just want to say that watching it it is
00:26:04
comedy needs a straight person and you
00:26:05
were perfect in it you were completely
00:26:08
sincere and you made us funny because
00:26:10
you're like oh come on guys really and
00:26:14
then all right but this is the last one
00:26:16
so the idea that you were blacked out in
00:26:18
that but no she woke up for that one oh
00:26:20
you woke up for that one I usually woke
00:26:23
up when people start asking me to take
00:26:24
my clothes off have a tendency to wake
00:26:27
up for that
00:26:30
these buzzword take off your
00:26:32
flouse yeah yeah that whole show was
00:26:35
really fun Pearl Jam um oh my God I
00:26:37
remember I just started and we were
00:26:40
looking forward going oh my God Sharon
00:26:41
Stone and Pearl Jam coming up you
00:26:43
imagine what a beautiful I mean that's a
00:26:45
beautiful memory well we all loved
00:26:48
hanging out with you and you had a uh a
00:26:51
wing woman it was incredibly nice too
00:26:53
I'm sorry I forget her name probably
00:26:55
your best friend but she was there all
00:26:56
week too excuse me Mimi yeah who was
00:27:00
incredibly nice and the two of you were
00:27:02
so charming and nice and it was it was
00:27:04
just fun um it was a fun show for me
00:27:07
having you out there and I don't know
00:27:09
just I thought you were great oh it's
00:27:11
really fun i' I'd love to do it again um
00:27:14
you know Lauren always says oh you're
00:27:16
welcome back any time because I think he
00:27:18
wants to make it up to me that I on the
00:27:21
show and no try to kill
00:27:24
me um we've had death squads before but
00:27:27
um sh was the
00:27:29
first um I think that uh sorry we love
00:27:33
Lauren can't Lauren is a singularity of
00:27:36
a human being and with a gigantic brain
00:27:38
and a gigantic heart but we can't not do
00:27:41
him because he's so fun to inhabit that
00:27:44
attitude David did you have something to
00:27:45
say I was just saying that early in my
00:27:48
uh um days when I was 21 I did a uh my
00:27:53
first movie with Sharon and she was had
00:27:55
a part in it and she couldn't have been
00:27:56
more stunning and I couldn't have been
00:27:58
more Star Struck and she wasn't even a
00:27:59
star and she was so lovely on it I was a
00:28:03
skateboarder in it and aside two things
00:28:06
I remember from that movie Sharon was in
00:28:10
my same apartment complex the where they
00:28:12
put us up and when she was wrapped a
00:28:15
little earlier than me she gave me all
00:28:17
her stuff from her apartment in her
00:28:19
fridge which I took and and uh cuz I
00:28:23
blew all my prdm at the uh strip club
00:28:26
and then this is in Toronto and then and
00:28:28
the other thing I remember is when I was
00:28:30
at the rap party I thirstily went to the
00:28:32
rap party and uh I went and I had a
00:28:36
headache before I went so I went and
00:28:37
bought their version of Tylenol which is
00:28:40
222s which are just all coding it's like
00:28:43
taking four Viking and so I started
00:28:45
getting feeling better at the party then
00:28:48
I said I think I'm going to go home then
00:28:50
I said I think I'm going to Sprint home
00:28:52
and it was about three miles then I was
00:28:54
going to dig a pool and then I was just
00:28:57
running around Toronto all night cuz I
00:28:59
didn't know why I was so wired and I
00:29:02
didn't put together that they're they're
00:29:05
over-the-counter coding yeah which is
00:29:07
why I want to move back that's a long
00:29:09
story I think I still have a bottle of
00:29:11
that in my medicine cabinet H oh my God
00:29:13
it was so great I couldn't believe it
00:29:15
then I was like oh wait I'm gonna be the
00:29:17
first one to get addicted that'll be my
00:29:19
goal uh but anyway Sharon was lovely and
00:29:22
then when she came on SNL it was very
00:29:24
fun for me CU I was just a new writer
00:29:26
but I thought she went up on a rock Rock
00:29:28
ET ship and she was doing great and she
00:29:29
was perfectly sweet to everyone there
00:29:32
for being that level of craziness like
00:29:34
you can't even imagine that Whirlwind
00:29:36
and then just had a real fun week with
00:29:38
us I went home and when I got in the
00:29:41
airport Mimi went to get the luggage so
00:29:44
I could go and get in the limo and while
00:29:47
she was gone these two we used there
00:29:50
used to be a guy called the kamakazi
00:29:53
paparazzi and he and his friend they
00:29:56
Dove the limo driver got out to put the
00:29:58
bags in the back of the car and they
00:30:01
dove in the front of the driver's seat
00:30:04
and started screaming like they were
00:30:07
like warriors on crack or something and
00:30:09
we coming through the space to the back
00:30:11
seat taking pictures of me while they
00:30:14
were screaming at the top of their lungs
00:30:16
it was so crazy and the driver had to
00:30:19
pull them out and he started beating
00:30:20
them up to get them out of the car and
00:30:22
then we got and we started down the
00:30:25
freeway and they started behind us and
00:30:27
they kept hitting limo with their car
00:30:30
they kept rear ending us and sideswiping
00:30:32
us and it was so terrifying and I kept I
00:30:37
got the police on the phone and the
00:30:38
police are like well stop stop the car
00:30:41
because we don't know which town from
00:30:44
the airport to my house you're in and
00:30:46
I'm like I'm not going to stop the car
00:30:48
they keep hitting me they're hitting me
00:30:50
I'm terrified to stop the car because I
00:30:52
don't know what they'll do to me and
00:30:54
they're like well we don't know how to
00:30:55
help you because you're moving you're
00:30:58
moving Target and I'm like I think you
00:31:00
better get a helicopter because they're
00:31:02
ramming the [ __ ] out of our car and that
00:31:06
used to be legal you know and I think
00:31:10
now about these young superstars like
00:31:13
Taylor Swift and stuff like how did she
00:31:15
get from one place to the next safely I
00:31:20
think that there's a lot of security
00:31:22
that's never discussed because it it has
00:31:24
to be a small army and very stealthy it
00:31:27
has to be I would think 247 but you know
00:31:30
when this happened to me the studios
00:31:33
weren't going to pay me more money and
00:31:35
they weren't going to pay for an army of
00:31:37
security and I I didn't make the money
00:31:41
to pay for it myself because they
00:31:44
weren't paying women and it was a
00:31:47
freaking nightmare I mean helicopters in
00:31:49
my backyard and just [ __ ] craziness
00:31:54
and no one seemed to think there was a
00:31:56
reason to give me the money to to take
00:31:59
care of myself and yet there was a
00:32:01
reason to keep pushing me out
00:32:06
[Music]
00:32:08
there were you dating back then or were
00:32:10
you married that that's another thing
00:32:11
it's hard to keep secret I was dating uh
00:32:16
I don't not during Basic Instinct but I
00:32:18
met uh my boyfriend at the time Bob
00:32:21
Wagner on the quick and the dead and we
00:32:23
were together for several years which
00:32:24
which was very
00:32:26
helpful very helpful oh we had one
00:32:29
question we don't know this is an actor
00:32:31
question uh why is Michael Douglas so
00:32:34
good at playing guilty horny men who are
00:32:38
succumbing to seductive women Fatal
00:32:41
Attraction Basic Instinct and disclosure
00:32:44
what is the secret sauce because no one
00:32:47
looks more
00:32:49
guilty than
00:32:51
Michael uh but you you two were great in
00:32:54
the in the Basic Instinct you're being a
00:32:58
smart person and I think he really knows
00:33:01
what works and what will work and what
00:33:04
won't work and he's a fantastic producer
00:33:09
you know and he's also a fantastic
00:33:12
activist he he really has a sense of the
00:33:16
world and how it works and what's
00:33:18
happening and what isn't happening and I
00:33:21
think he picks projects that he knows
00:33:24
how to handle and how to make them work
00:33:25
and how to make them sell and I think
00:33:29
he's you know he's he said to me when I
00:33:33
when I came on to do the show he said
00:33:36
you got the best part the villain is the
00:33:38
best part you can because you don't have
00:33:41
to follow any rules at all you can do
00:33:43
whatever you want you can play it the
00:33:45
way you feel like it and you can do
00:33:47
anything at any time because a villain
00:33:50
doesn't have to be consistent or
00:33:53
Dependable in any way you can just do
00:33:55
anything at any time and you don't have
00:33:56
to explain why you're doing it and I
00:33:59
think it's a really good hook on that so
00:34:01
when he plays the unlikable person he
00:34:04
just lets it
00:34:07
go well yeah well you two were so good
00:34:11
together in that and uh he's great also
00:34:13
he's great it's really you know verhoven
00:34:16
is a fantastic director and he's not
00:34:18
afraid of the perverse or the kinky or
00:34:21
the
00:34:22
strange you know he just really not
00:34:26
afraid yeah basic can goes some places
00:34:29
that are definitely at that time or
00:34:32
maybe in today just interesting
00:34:34
psychosocial not even sexual but just
00:34:36
sort of people that are damaged or
00:34:39
whatever you want to call it no like
00:34:40
when he did Robocop and he had the robot
00:34:42
screen turn off it was the first time
00:34:45
that a movie went black to see how long
00:34:48
an audience could sit in the theater
00:34:50
with a black screen and have it
00:34:53
meaningful and have the audience to
00:34:55
consume that empty space as part of
00:34:57
their own journey I mean he takes a lot
00:35:00
of risks and you know I think it might
00:35:03
have
00:35:05
been I don't know but in one another one
00:35:08
of his movies where he started using
00:35:10
humans as a bullet shield and no one had
00:35:12
done that before and it was considered
00:35:15
so out there you know and we look at
00:35:18
what we see now you know is so
00:35:21
nothing we've come a long way that's
00:35:24
great us did you okay don't
00:35:28
underestimate the perverseness of
00:35:30
America that's the big lesson like they
00:35:32
always it's a lesson now isn't it yeah
00:35:35
it's nothing like a human shield I have
00:35:37
a question for her uh absorbs the
00:35:39
bullets I have a question too you go
00:35:41
ahead okay you go okay well the quick
00:35:43
one is Margot Robbie is sort of in your
00:35:46
situation now would would Barbie be
00:35:48
something that you would have been
00:35:49
interested in uh is that up your alley
00:35:52
that kind of movie I went to the studio
00:35:54
to try to make Barbie in the 90s bingo
00:35:58
with another a producer friend of mine
00:36:00
and I had uh the then uh I guess he was
00:36:04
the CEO of Mattel uh on our side and I
00:36:08
literally we got thrown out of the
00:36:11
studio they were like why would you take
00:36:14
this American Icon and want to destroy
00:36:18
it like what is wrong with you I mean I
00:36:20
got a lecture and an escort to the door
00:36:24
do you run them to them today and just
00:36:27
go guys oh they're not they're not there
00:36:30
anymore you okay but um I think uh you
00:36:35
know if they're still alive they
00:36:37
probably
00:36:38
think I hate
00:36:41
her was it gonna be what what kind of
00:36:43
angle would you take on a Barbie back
00:36:45
then I wouldn't even think of what to do
00:36:46
with know what to do well I mean we had
00:36:48
it so that the opening scene would be
00:36:50
Barbie pulling up to Mattel in her
00:36:53
Barbie car and then Secret Service come
00:36:56
out and their feed her as big as the car
00:36:59
and they escort her into Mattel and
00:37:01
everybody just Falls aside because she's
00:37:03
the most important member of Mattel and
00:37:07
how all the big people are chasing her
00:37:10
around and kissing her ass because she's
00:37:13
the queen of Mattel and about the power
00:37:17
of being Barbie and what Barbie could do
00:37:20
in the world because she was so
00:37:23
powerful but wow well were ahead of your
00:37:27
time no they didn't think Barbie should
00:37:29
be powerful the men were behind the
00:37:31
times then keep Barbie in the dream car
00:37:34
or whatever yeah in her Barbie dream car
00:37:37
keep her quiet yeah and Ken so the quick
00:37:40
in the the quick in the dead which is a
00:37:42
movie I love Western uh Jean Hackman
00:37:46
Russell Crow before he was Russell Crow
00:37:49
you were a producer on the movie I know
00:37:52
you fought for him and then Leonardo Di
00:37:54
Caprio as a fetus he's like 15 or
00:37:56
something
00:37:58
he turned 1 on our movies and didn't you
00:38:02
insist on him or pay his salary I don't
00:38:04
know I read stuff that um about your
00:38:07
relationship with those two actors
00:38:08
Russell Crow and leard DiCaprio I really
00:38:10
believed in I really did believe in both
00:38:12
of them I I felt that both of them were
00:38:15
sort of teed up to become major Stars I
00:38:18
I thought they were both very unusually
00:38:21
talented and in specific ways and um you
00:38:26
know
00:38:28
there's a pattern in film making right
00:38:31
and I thought that Russell was like the
00:38:33
Richard Burton of his time that he was
00:38:36
you know that actor who could play you
00:38:39
know the captain of a ship the you know
00:38:42
he had that heavy
00:38:44
masculinity and that was sort of fading
00:38:47
out in that period when we had oh I
00:38:50
think there was a name for it then it
00:38:52
was different it was like men were kind
00:38:56
of I don't know there was a name for it
00:38:58
where men could metrosexuals that's what
00:39:01
it was
00:39:02
metrosexual and Russell certainly not
00:39:06
metrosexual Russell was very you know
00:39:10
old school man and I felt there was a
00:39:13
place for that in our industry I felt
00:39:16
this way about Ken Wabi that was a big
00:39:19
place for him in film and you know I
00:39:23
just I I see different actors and I
00:39:25
think oh you've really got
00:39:27
it I just met a a guy named Aaron Pierre
00:39:32
and I feel certain that this guy Aaron
00:39:34
Pierre is GNA be a gigantic star just G
00:39:38
just gigantic I think he's just gonna
00:39:41
explode in stardom he what is his type
00:39:45
what do he look like is he is a Russell
00:39:47
Crow or is he a he just has played
00:39:51
Malcolm X in the upcoming limited series
00:39:55
about Malcolm X oh okay and he's he's a
00:39:59
big kind of strongl looking uh has just
00:40:04
a beautiful
00:40:06
elocution he's got a certain way about
00:40:08
him he carries something that just to me
00:40:12
screams startom I think he's really
00:40:15
gonna be a just a huge star huge
00:40:21
okay um we will have you back on our
00:40:23
podcast in uh in a year we'll track it
00:40:26
and we're we're going to talk all about
00:40:28
that guy one thing about Russell Crow I
00:40:30
just wanted to say is because I do
00:40:32
voices he like he has a Next Level deep
00:40:35
voice and a and a big deep voice and one
00:40:40
of my favorite movies I don't know if
00:40:42
you guys have seen it Master and
00:40:43
Commander that Peter Weir did with
00:40:45
Russell Crow playing the commander TR
00:40:48
shot numers try shot guns and it's
00:40:50
really hard to do him because he's like
00:40:52
Obama it's it's a tonally uh but and
00:40:55
Leonardo just um obviously he's just
00:40:58
aged into this incredible actor and he
00:41:01
looks so so young in the quick and the
00:41:03
dead and he was Bo he he was so
00:41:08
infested and he was so
00:41:11
um able to access his
00:41:14
vulnerability and the other kids that
00:41:17
came in were really good I mean Matt
00:41:19
Damon came in for the part and he was so
00:41:22
good so
00:41:25
good a stud but Leo came in and he he
00:41:29
cried when his father rejected him when
00:41:33
Gan Hackman rejected him Leo was the
00:41:36
only one that cried and wanted his dad
00:41:40
wanted his dad to notice him and care
00:41:43
about him and and he was trying so hard
00:41:47
to be enough of a man that his father
00:41:50
would pay attention to him which was
00:41:52
really the Crux of the character and the
00:41:56
Crux of the devel velopment and when he
00:41:58
was going to die and couldn't get it he
00:42:01
just you know he was crying for his
00:42:03
father's attention and affection and it
00:42:06
was so profoundly moving and so brave
00:42:09
for a 17-year-old kid to come in on an
00:42:13
audition and let that out and I I just
00:42:17
thought that kid has a lot going on and
00:42:19
he is going a long ways because not any
00:42:23
other person came in and we saw
00:42:26
everybody in the town not every anybody
00:42:28
else that came in was willing to just
00:42:30
rip it open like that and that's why I I
00:42:35
stood up for him because I thought you
00:42:37
know you have a kind of guts in your
00:42:40
vulnerability that is what makes a star
00:42:44
and that combination of intense courage
00:42:50
with your own
00:42:51
vulnerability is so rare
00:42:55
and he just hasn't in Spades I mean
00:42:58
that's why you see him in The Wolf of
00:43:00
Wall Street and he just lets it rip you
00:43:03
know and he's not embarrassed or ashamed
00:43:06
or uh pulling his punches you know and
00:43:10
that's absolutely fascinating yeah he's
00:43:13
a good movie star you know and you were
00:43:16
saying Sydney porier earlier I was
00:43:18
wondering it I'm sure there are but it
00:43:20
doesn't seem like there's as many of
00:43:22
those old school elegant great looking
00:43:25
cool movie stars like there used to be
00:43:27
there probably is but I think when you
00:43:30
grow up with a certain ones that you
00:43:32
look up to it feels like there it's
00:43:34
thinning a bit Yeah I think this this
00:43:37
this kid this he doesn't look like a kid
00:43:39
but he uh is Young this Aon Pierre has
00:43:42
that I think he has that elegance and
00:43:46
you're right it is so rare because for
00:43:48
some
00:43:49
reason young people seem to have this
00:43:52
kind of disregard and
00:43:54
disrespect for the way they appear in
00:43:57
public in the way they treat the press
00:44:00
as though the Press isn't your soul
00:44:04
liaison to the
00:44:07
public it's like get a clue if they
00:44:10
don't want to shoot you and they don't
00:44:12
want to support you and they don't want
00:44:14
to believe in your films you should
00:44:16
probably leave
00:44:19
town love the idea of leaving town still
00:44:23
you get out of town with all our
00:44:24
connectivity can we talk about Casino
00:44:27
for a second cuz I I I was talking to my
00:44:29
wife about that she goes oh my God
00:44:31
Sharon was so brilliant in that movie
00:44:33
because I guess it's the actress meets
00:44:35
the part meets the director meets daero
00:44:38
meets peshi and that was magic in that
00:44:41
role it was my my whole dream was to
00:44:45
work with Robert dairo I my acting
00:44:47
teacher is like what do you really want
00:44:49
out of this and I'm like I to work
00:44:52
opposite Robert dairo and home my own I
00:44:55
mean that was the whole sentence that
00:44:57
that was the whole thing that's really
00:44:59
all I ever wanted and I got it I didn't
00:45:03
expect I was going to get to work with
00:45:05
Martin Scorsese you know Jesus who does
00:45:09
you know and to have had this
00:45:12
astonishing opportunity and to get to do
00:45:16
it you know I wasn't going to leave
00:45:18
anything on the floor you didn't uh you
00:45:20
did what's daero like like you're in a
00:45:23
scene with him between takes just just
00:45:27
casually I just love to know like does
00:45:28
he change it a lot does he surprise you
00:45:30
what what's it like you're just doing a
00:45:32
scene with the
00:45:33
Nero there around on set he doesn't
00:45:36
Small Talk he doesn't hang out he
00:45:38
doesn't have anything else to talk to
00:45:40
you about other than the work of the day
00:45:43
nothing absolutely nothing else
00:45:47
and um he might give me a
00:45:50
suggestion but he doesn't tell me how to
00:45:53
do my job he would might say you know in
00:45:56
the middle of that thing you're doing
00:45:59
could you just give me a glance here at
00:46:01
some point or do you need something here
00:46:06
from me or is this what you are you
00:46:10
wanting this you know he's just he's
00:46:15
very very connected to the work the
00:46:18
outcome what you're doing he's just
00:46:22
absolutely the most dedicated devoted
00:46:26
watching him work I learned more than I
00:46:28
learned watching any other actor and I
00:46:31
got to work with like George C Scott I
00:46:34
mean I worked with some really cool
00:46:36
actors you know what I mean but dairo is
00:46:40
uh you know he's just like his own thing
00:46:43
man you know he's not a chit chatter
00:46:45
he's just really is serious and that's
00:46:48
the reason I think he's so good and what
00:46:51
about
00:46:52
peshi Joe peshi really fought for me you
00:46:56
know he f for me to get the part he
00:46:58
believed in me stood up for me he's
00:47:01
really good to me um I really appreciate
00:47:05
him so much he was really supportive of
00:47:08
me he he absolutely believed in me in a
00:47:11
way that I don't think anybody else
00:47:13
really did and um you know we had a lot
00:47:17
we had rough scenes to shoot you know
00:47:19
like because our relationship was rough
00:47:21
sex and and dirty and secret and and uh
00:47:26
I felt completely safe with him
00:47:30
although you know when he's in that
00:47:34
character he's scary as all you know
00:47:38
he's you
00:47:40
know he's all in and it's good to work
00:47:46
with someone that's all in but you know
00:47:48
Joey played in that film just a you know
00:47:53
really you
00:47:55
know I don't how to explain it but like
00:47:58
loose ready to go ready to kill somebody
00:48:00
at any second and you know I'm playing
00:48:04
someone who's choking
00:48:06
me in and I'm trying to be loose with
00:48:10
all this you know right you know it's a
00:48:12
it's it was intense and great intense
00:48:16
but you know you got to belly up to the
00:48:19
bar when you go to work with Jimmy Woods
00:48:22
and Joe pesi and Robert
00:48:25
dairo there's no [ __ ] around you
00:48:28
better be good you got to hold your own
00:48:31
you better be
00:48:33
present and I think that those people
00:48:35
often scare actresses I've watched many
00:48:39
many other actresses work and while
00:48:41
they're sometimes quite
00:48:43
good often they seem a bit
00:48:48
defended and I think that you have to
00:48:52
really not be separate from those
00:48:55
guys you have to be willing to jump in
00:48:58
the pool with them and know that they're
00:49:01
not going to save you if you're
00:49:06
[Music]
00:49:08
grounding before we let you get on with
00:49:10
your life I just wanted to kind of
00:49:12
mention your book um your autobiography
00:49:17
which got rave reviews do you want to
00:49:19
talk to it a little bit or um and then
00:49:22
also your art and right now you're in in
00:49:26
Berlin and in a gallery I
00:49:28
believe uh you your art has been well
00:49:32
received by critics you've been
00:49:34
interviewed in New York by Jerry stas or
00:49:38
whatever so Jerry salt how how did that
00:49:41
happen and what are you um they're big
00:49:44
beautiful colorful abstracts are they an
00:49:46
acrylic or oil or a combo and do you
00:49:49
have someone helping you bring in
00:49:52
canvases and stretch them and Jess of
00:49:54
them and the there's a industrial part
00:49:57
of having a studio and how did you work
00:50:01
toward being able to do that or you done
00:50:04
some art before but I it's I'm just
00:50:06
curious yeah you know I studied all this
00:50:08
at University where you know if you
00:50:10
studied art you had to do everything
00:50:11
from jewelry making to sculpting to oils
00:50:14
watercolors acry you had to do
00:50:16
everything everything everything um so I
00:50:19
know how to do all that but there's
00:50:21
certain aspects of it I just don't want
00:50:23
to do anymore so I get my canvases
00:50:25
stretched for me and I get the built
00:50:29
elsewhere because it's just it's too
00:50:31
much for me at this point yeah um but I
00:50:34
do have a studio manager who is really
00:50:37
cool named Zach and he's uh terrific and
00:50:41
he helps me a lot um and
00:50:46
but basically I mean painting is sort of
00:50:50
a oneman band and you've gota just it
00:50:53
takes time it takes time and dedic ation
00:50:57
and devotion and it's an on the job
00:50:59
learning process and the more you paint
00:51:02
the better you get and the more you
00:51:03
understand and the more you study the
00:51:05
more you understand how to mix colors
00:51:08
and the more you understand how Color
00:51:12
Works I'm fascinated by color and the
00:51:15
more you understand balance and story
00:51:18
and execution and the use of all the
00:51:21
different possible tools that you can
00:51:23
use it's like anything the more you it
00:51:26
the better you yet and do you work on
00:51:28
multiple canvases at a time or do you
00:51:31
kind of one I I do I have well I work on
00:51:34
canvas till I feel that it's at the
00:51:36
point where I'm as far as I can go and
00:51:39
sometimes I complete a canvas and
00:51:42
sometimes I think that's the
00:51:45
underpainting and I need to just put
00:51:47
that in the other room for now until I
00:51:50
understand where I'm going from
00:51:51
here
00:51:53
yeah that totally Mak sense right
00:51:56
because you guys probably write like
00:51:57
that right yeah and Dana paints also
00:52:00
well I P yeah but I'm not not like you
00:52:03
but I I was surprised how much I loved
00:52:07
it and I have no ability at all I would
00:52:09
just do Doodles and little characters on
00:52:12
yellow pads right and then I saw basat
00:52:15
and I go
00:52:17
oh I I'll do I'll do my version of that
00:52:20
so I do them on heavy paper 30 by 32 and
00:52:23
then sometimes I blow them up and
00:52:25
they're just uh acrylic so I can go fast
00:52:28
I don't want to think too much and I
00:52:30
often overpaint them I think
00:52:33
overpainting is is
00:52:35
smart and good I overpaint constantly I
00:52:38
think you don't want to waste anything
00:52:40
and when you know it's not working
00:52:42
overpaint it or overpaint part of it
00:52:44
which is what I'm coming to understand
00:52:46
now is that when you do something and
00:52:47
you think oh that's just awful don't
00:52:50
just overpaint the whole thing right
00:52:51
away like give yourself a minute to
00:52:54
really step back from it and find one
00:52:57
good thing in it and start overpainting
00:53:00
but leave the good thing and before you
00:53:03
overpaint it make sure you turn it every
00:53:05
single
00:53:06
Direction turn it upside down turn it
00:53:09
sideways look at it from every direction
00:53:11
because you don't know where your
00:53:13
inspiration is coming from and I agree I
00:53:16
think baskot is just a unbelievable
00:53:19
talent and he also showed us another way
00:53:23
to be another way to express our elves
00:53:26
another
00:53:29
opportunity you know you You' look at it
00:53:31
and you go why is it affecting me so
00:53:33
much when you go to an art museum and
00:53:35
you're going around the corner you see a
00:53:37
big baskot because you go people it you
00:53:39
can't dismiss it there's
00:53:41
something um so fluid about it so casual
00:53:45
you this feeling of just being connected
00:53:47
to the canvas it I I don't know it's
00:53:49
just talent I guess but he's he's fun uh
00:53:52
who else do you like well you know with
00:53:54
this Rothco show that has been going on
00:53:57
and then if you follow the show then you
00:53:59
start getting your daily Rothco and you
00:54:02
it's just you look at these colors and
00:54:04
you think the same thing why is this
00:54:06
having such a tremendous impact on me
00:54:09
and how did he do it and why and what
00:54:11
does it mean and it just it just evokes
00:54:14
so much and you know I feel this way I'm
00:54:17
a huge Gerard RoR fan and I feel I just
00:54:21
love these paintings and the impact and
00:54:25
movement of these paintings and you know
00:54:29
uh Helen Franken fall the color the
00:54:32
color aspect of what she did was so
00:54:35
moving and interesting and the way she
00:54:38
did it was all her own and I just you
00:54:41
know I I just I don't know I'm a little
00:54:44
bit of an artholic I've spent most of my
00:54:47
life on the road um in museums on my day
00:54:50
off and that's
00:54:52
been a fantastic
00:54:55
education
00:54:56
well um it's cool you've been it it it
00:55:00
is uh it's a little bit like any kind of
00:55:03
personal Pursuit like time really flies
00:55:06
if you're really focused on a painting
00:55:08
whether you're a novice or great it's
00:55:10
it's a it's a meditation and uh you're
00:55:14
you've been really well received so I um
00:55:17
I'm going to make a prediction about you
00:55:19
whe whether you want it or not but some
00:55:22
there's going to be some role or live
00:55:24
streaming Apple show or something you're
00:55:27
going to be in and be brilliant um if
00:55:31
you if you feel like you want that cuz I
00:55:33
can just tell talking to you put the
00:55:36
camera on this woman because she has all
00:55:38
this energy and all this emotion it's
00:55:43
all right there so that's my prediction
00:55:45
you have yours David would you like to
00:55:47
make a prediction I think it was it's
00:55:49
wonderful talking to Sharon she's so
00:55:51
articulate and so uh exactly as I
00:55:55
remember and she's got such a voice
00:55:57
that is very unique and uh well known
00:56:00
and uh voices never change with people
00:56:03
it's always you know you get older
00:56:05
people go on their lives and it's always
00:56:07
there's something interesting about
00:56:08
somebody's voice it's like a fingerprint
00:56:10
I like hearing Sharon's voice I like
00:56:12
hearing all she has to say today and uh
00:56:14
very cool of her to to talk to us um
00:56:17
thank you for coming on Sharon really
00:56:19
really enjoyed it wish you all the best
00:56:22
I was so excited that you asked me to
00:56:24
come on um because I haven't seen either
00:56:27
one of you in quite a while and it's
00:56:29
just good to see you both and it's good
00:56:32
to see you both well and good and it's
00:56:36
good to see that you know we're all
00:56:38
still standing you know we devoted
00:56:40
ourselves and agreed to do this and you
00:56:44
know it's it's hard to hold on you have
00:56:47
to really want it it has to be
00:56:49
everything to you to hold on and and
00:56:53
it's it's really nice to see that we're
00:56:55
all still surv ring together so I just
00:56:58
really appreciate that you took your
00:57:00
time and invited me into your world
00:57:01
thank you thank you Sharon all right
00:57:04
Sharon uh we'll talk to you soon and
00:57:05
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