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oh
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Oh I thought what do you know
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okay we're in a bunker that's somewhere
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that's anyone yeah
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what are you eating now paper these are
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dots guys Jesus Remember these
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little kid no is that Sugar yeah I only
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had one that one uh Kenny Loggins Kenny
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Loggins what a stud by the way I saw
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Logan's Messina day on the Green
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Angry Eyes remember that lick
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I don't think I do you know anyway this
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was a really fun podcast for me
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personally because I love music and I
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love musicians and Kenny Loggins can
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really he's he's one he like in high
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school he wrote he just sat down on the
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guitar he's one of those savants I mean
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he's somebody who just knew how to sing
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and play guitar
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at a very early age his in his uh we
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really talk about his songwriting
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prowess and how he how he comes up with
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songs I mean we he sat right here
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remember he came over uh he sat here we
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had a blast looks the same he's a stud
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talk about how super famous he got there
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stadiums and just uh you know he's
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obviously uh such a big songwriter
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Loggins and Messina just Kenny Loggins
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yeah hit songs and hit movies
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soundtracks he that was big big money
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yeah I mean Footloose I mean come on
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and many many others I mean his song and
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um what's the Top Gun Top Gun that they
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wanted he wanted to redo it and they
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said no we want the exact same song oh
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we you know we had a big controversy
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because uh AI sang him Fruit Loops
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parody of uh of uh you know footloose
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and I couldn't remember the goddamn
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comedian that did it but I was doing the
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other comedians a bit but singing it to
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Kenny Loggins was a blast and he hadn't
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heard it and he thought it was funny and
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then uh and then on top gun I always
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thought until the day I saw him it was I
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went to the danger zone and it's Highway
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and we get in a big argument because I
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said there's not a highway in the sky I
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don't even understand what you're
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talking about I went to the danger zone
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yeah yeah I way too the danger I said
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that makes no sense that song shouldn't
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have worked so we thought about that got
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very tense I know Ed look
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um was it gonna get physical I never
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thought it went to that level he stood
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up we cut tape you know need to know
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this stuff this is behind the scene
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Anyway by the end we were friends but
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put it this way Kenny loggin is one of
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those people in the last long time maybe
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50 years has been a huge part of
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American music you don't even realize
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how much he's done
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and he's he's still out there touring he
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looks great I mean he's like he's Kenny
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Loggins he's a rock star so uh I found
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this really really interesting view to
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the audience it was great and uh it made
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me realize how boring I was because when
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I was hearing about assistant he was
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playing the Hollywood Bowl right after
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that we couldn't go and but anyway he
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couldn't find it I drove over there and
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I went round around I couldn't find the
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Hollywood Bowl I just started rolled
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down my window and went again hey
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toward the end he handed you a ukulele
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and you played a beautiful I said love
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the world who holds a little red paper
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cup hey guess what what song is that go
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paper cup that's called paper cups no
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Danny's Song Danny's Song and even
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though I don't have money I'm so in love
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now you know why I'm a comedian hey
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Jesus guess what news flash we don't we
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can cut this what was the first big
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badass song globally we're talking about
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the 19th century yeah it was like heavy
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metal in those days
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oh that's you know that's the only thing
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row row row your boat gently down the
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stream I'm not kidding this was a heavy
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metal huge Global hit gently gently yeah
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life is a dream that was very edgy that
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was like Metallica in 1860. stop I don't
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want to hear it let's look at a clip
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uh okay anyway
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um
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that's the only one we might actually
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cut I'm kidding no I just need a second
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huh you gotta take that Kenny yeah yeah
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we just did the thing no no Spade's cool
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with you it's fine we talked about
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danger zone highways
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all right next time you're at the ball
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hit me up okay buddy
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all right let's throw to it that was
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your mom
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[Laughter]
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what is it people smile tell me I'm
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lucky one that's a great song you know
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that song Heather and even though we
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ain't got money I'm so in love with your
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honor didn't we sing that to his face
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did he write that or not oh he really
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someone else did it oh he wrote it
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[ __ ] okay here's how this one
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goes
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dang I go give me a little daring to
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dare to dare to DARE and he's like God
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damn that's the beginning
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even though we didn't get all money we
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did it happening
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people smile and tell me I'm a lucky one
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life's Just Begun I think I'm gonna have
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a son
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he will be like you and me as free as a
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dove this is the hard part and the Sun
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is Gonna Shine it but here's the
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heartbeat even though we ain't got money
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oh my God he's good what the [ __ ] yeah
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head of a m
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um
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I'll call you later a m records I think
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I have someone you might want to meet
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they ran out of film about an hour ago
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all right that's good
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[Music]
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oh
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can't wait to get to this grilling okay
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I want to start with that song parody
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thing no I want I want I want to say one
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thing yeah
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Let's uh
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I finally saw it was about a year ago I
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saw your audition reel for Saturday
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Night Live oh oh I haven't even seen
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that tape is fantastic
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thank you it was a tape when I saw it
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yeah by the way how have we not seen
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this whole time I've never seen it I
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they're coming out with so many things
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I've never seen in my life rehearsals
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it's on YouTube anything they tape they
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can they can sell I mean I guess back
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then but they held it for so long
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because I just saw a video a rough video
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Dana of Thursdays doing promos you know
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they do promo with you you would be in
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it well they keep releasing them and you
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do with the host the music and then
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maybe one of the cast members and I
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would write those that was sort of my
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jury duty when I got there and so you
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get to meet people like you and and so
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it was me
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Lauren's up there sort of monitoring it
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the first floor impression came early uh
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and then uh and then it was Emilio
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Estevez was the host Pearl Jam was the
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band and so I'm explaining how to re you
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know this is what you say as you say and
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then I step back they don't just show
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the promo step back and watch and Lauren
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watches they try it and then they go cut
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but it still rolls and they go when they
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when you say they try it you mean not
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the actual actors no the actual actors
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are really taping it to me because it
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had to be exactly 30 seconds no no it
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had to be like uh what like nine yeah it
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was real really fast ones you had to put
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the host
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the music name
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and then you had to do a joke hi I'm
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Emilio Estevez so that's online and this
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is uh I'm hosting with Eddie Vedder from
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Pearl Jam and then we have four seconds
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for a joke and so I had to write like 12
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of those jokes every week for a host and
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uh that's quite an exercise yeah did you
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do promos when you're there you had to
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do that on Thursday probably uh no but
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in back when I did it we didn't do
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promos musical act didn't do that who
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was your host you remember
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you don't have to okay
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1982.
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I'm going to guess
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uh I don't know Mary Tyler Moore no
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82.
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graduating high school 82 you were doing
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I was graduating uh High School in
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Arizona yeah but uh I was that was right
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in the pocket of me loving SNL for sure
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yeah me too because high school was like
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22 degrees okay people think that when
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when I do those movies then you know do
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you hang out with Bill Murray and you
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you know right you know all that with
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like yeah all day yeah yeah and I you
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never meet the music's the last thing
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they do yeah you never meet the actors
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are on to their next or next next movie
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yeah the band is always the badass I
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mean look if we were talented like you
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yeah I would have gone into music that
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we all wanted to do what you did jealous
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this was our fallback I was in a little
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band I had a Hardy Boys uh book was my
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snare and I would kick a little hamper
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no I was like uh seven or eight but
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rockstars but I wouldn't want to ask you
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I just had a fly to fancy because this
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song Danny's Song which is really super
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iconic even if you haven't heard a while
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it's like the chord's like even though
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we ain't got money I'm still in love
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with you honey do you think that still
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Rings true to you because you just
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reminded me I did Gilbert Godfrey's show
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you did two years ago oh and we sang
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Danny's Song together oh really did he
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change the lyrics
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oh my God
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it was so funny but it's very romantic
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and very useful because you know in
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modern society it's like even though
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you're out of cash I'm leaving real fast
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but that's that young youthful you know
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you're going out of in Instagram
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followers I'm still yeah in high school
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senior in high school you sat down with
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a guitar yeah my my brother about you
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know having a baby and yeah moving and
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so that's why it's called Danny's son
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because it was taken from Danny's letter
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some of the lines in the song are
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actually I know one of them but what was
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your first question
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strong and kind but the Melody I mean
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how do you you start with it you know
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the album version so yeah that never
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made the single version cheese oh really
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he researched it oh really that's such a
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great line yeah I don't know why I never
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got high right they weren't going to
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play that under right I never go oh boy
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was lucky guys anything yeah yeah what
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was the sorry guy was it no boy I was a
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sorry guy yeah yeah uh because that song
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was a tearjerking
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well people adopted it you know
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the funniest part for me is playing
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benefit concerts where it's you know ten
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thousand dollars a plate and they're
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singing you know even though we ain't
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got money
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was there ever a time you didn't have
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money even though we're trying to recall
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I was in a Catholic Church once and the
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priest was going we you know in the name
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of the Lord we all need money and the
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whole church was there and then I saw
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Jeff Bezos going up and getting
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communion I thought well this guy could
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help out right
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maybe he did buy the church he buys
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everything you can see anyway but that
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song is amazing because I'm always
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fascinated by someone who can come up
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with a hook a melodic hook like that
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you're just strumming and then that
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comes to you right and some some people
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are better at it than others well and
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you're kind of one of the best it just
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it's just a thing that was there right
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from the very beginning you had it that
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I knew what a hook was and what was your
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guitar I'm sorry this is maybe too
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technical
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over time and how proficient were you on
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the guitar how many chords did you know
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when you when you wrote Danny's Song as
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a kid I think I used all the chords I
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knew on that it's like five years right
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did you do Barre chords
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um not at first nobody does you know
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anyway
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you can have the next question with tag
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team today speaking of bar chords Okay
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you're from Alhambra California which
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I've only heard about that City on
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traffic no human being really knows
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where it is
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if you know where Pasadena is yes
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are you thinking of altadine well
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altadine is there too we played we
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played Sports against these towns I hear
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that on weather reports uh okay so you
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asked tell him he's got that rock star
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life that's that's really Dana's well I
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just yeah I love I love the very end of
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your book uh because you kind of sum it
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up saying I you don't really want to be
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great Kenny Loggins anymore in a sense
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but we never had your fame or we're a
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rock star and that is a [ __ ]
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you're kind of a rock star in your world
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uh well thank you I was hoping you were
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gonna yeah take back everything I said
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right but you and you know I was just
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thinking the ride of that and when you
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become that famous and you were a
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full-blown sex symbol right I mean still
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am well of course you are now the ladies
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must go crazy
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I finally finally preserved and very
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handsome yeah but in the 70s and eight
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that's just heady stuff do you have a
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question my question is is waiting for
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your question yeah I was defining you
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okay but that must have been amazing but
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go ahead I think his Fame uh sort of I'm
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not relating you to me at all you're a
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huge [ __ ] rock star which but when I
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got famous it was a little easier to
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deal with because it was so incremental
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and I you know got on like locally in
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town I was doing stand-up and then some
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people knew me there so that was a
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little weird and then and then I got on
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like an HBO young comedian special then
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little more people SNL but didn't do
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much then I got a part in a movie but it
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wasn't the starting role so over time
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people started to know me but it took
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yeah you guys are famous at 51 yeah he
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was a rockstar but you did like it was
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21 right basically 22 21. that first my
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oldest son says Dad that [ __ ] you up
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right from the bird is that and what did
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you mean by that well you you miss out
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on the parts of life that you should be
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learning about right because it's all
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writing about because then you're
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writing you're not Anonymous anymore and
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you're not walking on uh absorbing life
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and getting a real reaction about the
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real world yeah the real world evolves
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yeah I never had to learn how to cook
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for myself yeah it's one of the things I
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wish that I would have gone through that
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phase and getting more friendly with the
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kitchen yeah how do you cook now I mean
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do you have
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yes Lisa Cooks
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um so you know I felt like when I felt
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famous for the first time in my 30s that
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I to certain people I became an idea or
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a concept you know
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um especially just getting wealth to
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like when did wealth come in for you
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like real well when did you first make a
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million
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yeah we loggers from Cena played the
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Troubadour as the opening act for Curtis
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Mayfield okay and then two weeks later I
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think it was they brought us back as
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Headliners because I guess the
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headliners dropped out and Weston needed
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somebody in a hurry yeah so they pulled
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us back in so it looked like the rise to
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that kind of thing back then that was
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huge FM radio was still a New Concept FM
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was oh yeah and so and so they adopted
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the Loggins and Messina record because
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we had these seven minute tracks where
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they could go out back and get stoned
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and then come back in and what was on
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that first album the first that got hit
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that was sitting in angry as was the
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second album but what were the hits off
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that sitting in shouldn't have had
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Danny's song Oh Danny and Marie covered
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before we got to it and it had Anne
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Murray of all people believe in me is
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that what she sings
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nope
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but she did Danny's but she also she was
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her own star oh yeah and then you sort
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of gave that to her and you said you
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want to come I gave it to her yeah she
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was with a had a friend and and
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that was her her friend her friend so I
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met her through her friend so you still
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get checks today from Anne Murray's
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cover and then you get checks for you
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you did your research didn't you yeah
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well I'm into royalties I want to know
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your net worth
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uh so anyway just to put that in context
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I'll be like Howard Stern you're 21 22.
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you've got a huge hit album you're
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getting famous girls love you you're
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getting really wealthy then what happens
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in those days you know I didn't have a
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girlfriend or a wife or anything no
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family so you know 21 years old you mean
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I would go on the road for
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300 days a year good because we just
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lived out there because there was nobody
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at home until you get famous do they
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deliver cocaine to your house or do you
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have to go buy it or how your underwear
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is made of cocaine and then you use it
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you gradually just take a vending
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machine at every gig and yeah so 300
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days but you were getting figured out
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yeah that's what I asked for wow is that
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on a bus or you'd find a commercial or I
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mean that's just switched both on the
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East Coast you'll tend to bust because
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the the venues are closer together on
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the west coast you usually fly and they
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start to grow exponentially like it was
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you know to theaters or three thousands
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we started on a college tour so we
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played that's what we did gymnasium yeah
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and then that grows out to real venues
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the word gets around what size would be
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the real ones because I don't know if we
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really got past that well things happen
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pretty quick so yeah we probably did a
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short bit of what they call Performing
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Arts centers which are 2500 people and
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then we were suddenly in in outdoor you
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know venues I remember a show we played
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in I think it was Oakland
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mile obviously don't remember that show
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Paramount Theater and it was opening act
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was Peter Frampton then Fleetwood Mac
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Stevie and Lindsay had just joined the
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band so that hadn't caught on yet and
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then us and then Rod Stewart I told the
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balloon story in the book about God damn
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when you watch Jimmy bribe being the kid
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holding Rod Stewart's balloons to he
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gave him 50 bucks and said let him go
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now
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so hundreds of balloons take off for our
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Encore did you guys like with comedians
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it's always a pecking order like if
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there's comedians you're opening act
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tries to blow you away even those he's
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your friend if you're the headliner the
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middle tries to dominate you do you like
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to follow that [ __ ] Rod Stewart
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or did you feel that then or you're just
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where were you in that lineup we were
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third third but you followed Fleetwood
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Mac followed Fleetwood Mac they were
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pretty good were they they were okay
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what happened to them yeah I'm still
00:18:39
jealous that you even knew Stevie Nicks
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and also rang her up to do a song which
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is it was uh yeah which is such a great
00:18:46
song because I was their opening act for
00:18:48
the better part of a year
00:18:50
they open for Loggins and Messina when
00:18:52
they started and then we'll then I
00:18:54
opened for them when I went solo it was
00:18:55
really the the duet with Stevie that
00:18:57
launched my solo career on the radio the
00:19:00
the amounts that that era that you touch
00:19:03
you've worked with and interacted with
00:19:06
is extraordinary had we known yeah so
00:19:10
that we were iconic you should have
00:19:11
tried to manage Fleetwood Mac or
00:19:13
something yeah really I'm new to this
00:19:14
but have you ever asked to manage
00:19:16
somebody though right what's that you
00:19:17
were asked to manage someone no yeah
00:19:20
Dana nice try save that David no I
00:19:23
thought I thought you said that's that
00:19:25
none of that's true oh I swear to God I
00:19:27
thought he said
00:19:28
and you kicked him to your manager or
00:19:30
they asked you who's a good manager oh
00:19:32
well that was uh Michael Jackson see
00:19:35
Dana you're here but you don't name
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Michael Jackson a little guy a little
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guy I wrote down something because I was
00:19:41
listening listening to some of your
00:19:43
stuff
00:19:44
I listen to five four this morning four
00:19:46
years ago I was listening on my iPod
00:19:48
without knowing this was coming up
00:19:51
they're already on no [ __ ] cool this
00:19:53
phony over here this guy's a Showbiz
00:19:55
phony I'm totally he gets competitive
00:19:57
sometimes but he's good David might be
00:20:00
helpful to give your notes to the people
00:20:01
watching and
00:20:06
Dirt Band I love and that was early on
00:20:09
right yeah you wrote songs for them well
00:20:12
no I wrote I wrote a couple songs for
00:20:13
them yeah songs for them great not
00:20:15
actually for them but I had these songs
00:20:17
that I was playing we go to parties
00:20:19
different parties around town and
00:20:21
there'd always be like five or six
00:20:22
musicians with their guitars and we just
00:20:24
sit around in a circle we'd take turns
00:20:26
oh my God and they would say we want
00:20:28
that one two of the guys from the
00:20:29
nitty-gritty Dirt Band were in the
00:20:31
circle so they would do songs that they
00:20:33
knew and then they came to me after this
00:20:35
whole thing and said that one you did
00:20:37
about the bear we want to do that one
00:20:39
and can you come up to wow little canyon
00:20:41
and sing sing your stuff for John McEwen
00:20:44
so when you started doing your thing did
00:20:46
people get kind of quiet then wait wait
00:20:48
can you Kenny's got something I mean so
00:20:50
when you were a songwriter it's so
00:20:52
valuable for a band to have a guy come
00:20:54
in and write to their scene just have a
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you know they recognize the style I was
00:20:58
writing in with the style they were
00:21:00
recording it
00:21:03
[Music]
00:21:05
I just wanted to insert this because it
00:21:07
really made me laugh but in 1969 you
00:21:11
were in a band called the new improved
00:21:13
electric prunes was that real I don't
00:21:17
know what the new improved part but
00:21:18
that's what it was on Wikipedia the new
00:21:20
improved electric prints no are they
00:21:22
around anymore no there was an electric
00:21:24
prunes that did I had too much to dream
00:21:26
last night and a couple other hit
00:21:28
records and and of course they got in a
00:21:30
fight and the lead singer left and so
00:21:33
they needed
00:21:34
a couple new people in the band and so I
00:21:37
got a call from my friend who was hired
00:21:39
to do the new music Direction and I was
00:21:42
going to Pasadena City College and he
00:21:44
called me and said you want to go on the
00:21:46
road I said yeah and you were a teenager
00:21:48
basically well yeah close
00:21:50
19. anyway I was just leaping ahead here
00:21:54
stylistically this is it hearing that
00:21:57
song and your voice on that thing is
00:22:01
Supernatural and it really reminded me
00:22:04
or it was sort of a similar style to
00:22:07
Michael Jackson that you can reach these
00:22:10
notes I I don't know did people talk
00:22:12
about your vocal performance on that
00:22:13
song in specific you had so many but I
00:22:16
was just kind of Blown Away by how you
00:22:17
hit that thank you yeah no that I'm
00:22:20
still struck the problem with all that
00:22:22
is that recording in the 80s everything
00:22:24
was up there and you could do it
00:22:26
competing with foreign
00:22:37
not necessarily healthy not sustainable
00:22:40
exactly and we taking all that on the
00:22:42
road now it's sometimes I have to drop a
00:22:44
key here and there now I'm going to say
00:22:46
this is it now Dana I'm coming out on a
00:22:48
limb because it might be confusing me no
00:22:51
was it about dad had always went to the
00:22:54
hospital the heart yeah yeah that was
00:22:55
and you were putting the other the song
00:22:57
and then you sort of that song wrote
00:22:59
itself where you go it's this is where
00:23:00
it's headed this is yeah well
00:23:03
the intro that I use in concert okay
00:23:05
okay is that
00:23:07
um when Mike and that was the second
00:23:08
song that Michael and I wrote together
00:23:10
Michael McDonald Dana yeah he's good
00:23:13
he's Michael Jackson because I knew you
00:23:15
were thinking of Michael Jackson and
00:23:17
Michael McDonald is another unreal yeah
00:23:19
go ahead and um the first one we wrote
00:23:23
together was What a Fool Believes oh and
00:23:25
then we waited about at least a year
00:23:27
before we wrote a second song because
00:23:29
the the fool wanted a Grammy and it was
00:23:31
like it's most people with intelligence
00:23:34
would go well we should write 12 more
00:23:36
songs but we were intimidated by the
00:23:39
success of the songs so we kind of
00:23:41
avoided each other did you produce it
00:23:43
together what a Fool Believes because no
00:23:46
that was Teddy templeman so Elemental
00:23:48
and almost cartoony in that hook and
00:23:50
likes it are there any words I've never
00:23:52
heard a hook like that those are the
00:23:54
original words Michaels
00:23:57
oh really just to make it like something
00:23:59
and then you fill it in did you say you
00:24:01
walked in and he was playing the
00:24:03
beginning of that yeah it was I was
00:24:04
standing outside his living room the
00:24:07
door was a jar and and I was hearing
00:24:10
and he sang the whole verse and stopped
00:24:13
and my imagination kept going to this
00:24:16
oh that's it knock on the door and say
00:24:20
and then you think I know the next part
00:24:21
of that song that's amazing I started
00:24:24
doing it without even yeah but you
00:24:26
mashed it like that opening is so
00:24:27
brilliant it you always need that other
00:24:29
thing and you got it yeah the release
00:24:31
the B section release the beast and then
00:24:33
it goes B sections don't exist anymore
00:24:35
if you notice that sound Peter called
00:24:37
the middle eights is that what they are
00:24:38
well that's a Nashville thing okay and
00:24:42
the B section is just showing someplace
00:24:44
else for eight bars yeah yeah you know
00:24:46
that's the thing you were talking about
00:24:47
Leonard McCartney that answer to that
00:24:50
question upstairs yes was that I think
00:24:52
McCartney brought the bridge to a lot of
00:24:55
the songs where John would come in with
00:24:56
a verse idea and then you'll notice in
00:24:59
the bridge the bridge gets a little more
00:25:00
Cordy a little more
00:25:02
intellectual and moves into a different
00:25:05
kind of vibe and then it comes the
00:25:07
classic example of that is day in the
00:25:09
life
00:25:10
I woke up got out of bed grabbed the
00:25:12
home across was a piece that was a
00:25:14
McCartney Melody yeah anyway we we uh
00:25:17
what's the word
00:25:19
yeah Verge well well no because you were
00:25:22
a part of a Duo incredibly successful
00:25:24
Duo which not important but I saw it in
00:25:28
1977 or 78 I think it was Stanford
00:25:30
University it was like a grass green
00:25:32
thing we were all huge fan so just just
00:25:36
delve into that a little bit how you you
00:25:38
hooked up with Jim Messina yeah that was
00:25:40
I was looking for a producer I wanted to
00:25:42
be a solo artist and
00:25:45
um and I heard that Jimmy was producing
00:25:47
acts and what he'd done is he'd left
00:25:49
Poco which was a band he'd started to be
00:25:53
a producer for Columbia Records
00:26:07
one of our favorites to do but so you
00:26:10
met Jim Jimmy James and um oh yeah so I
00:26:13
went over to his house
00:26:15
um and I sang
00:26:17
you know a bunch of songs that I had a
00:26:19
lot of the songs that I played for I
00:26:21
don't know
00:26:24
actually uh
00:26:28
um The Dirt Band
00:26:29
and um and in the process you know we we
00:26:33
talked about working together but I I
00:26:35
found out when I was writing the book
00:26:37
that Jimmy said in his interview he
00:26:40
wasn't that blown away
00:26:42
he didn't want to he didn't want to do a
00:26:45
folk act and he saw me as a [ __ ] actor
00:26:47
is that what was that based on Danny's
00:26:49
Song or something or probably not just
00:26:51
one but you also got you rocked it on as
00:26:54
you as you continued right yeah that was
00:26:56
a conscious Choice yeah and
00:26:58
collaboration helps with that you know
00:27:00
writing with writers who are already
00:27:01
right in a particular style yeah but
00:27:03
what turned him when did he kind of go
00:27:05
I'm gonna work with you it's called the
00:27:07
next day well no Clive called him and
00:27:09
said
00:27:10
Clive Davis sorry no not all I meant it
00:27:14
was an impressive guy Wilkins
00:27:17
okay
00:27:19
for ten Bob Kenny Loggins has the board
00:27:23
um okay so so then he changes his mind
00:27:25
yeah clap calls him and says you know
00:27:27
you've been on salary for a year and you
00:27:29
haven't done anything yet so maybe you
00:27:31
should pick one of these artists and
00:27:33
Clive had sent him Andy Williams and uh
00:27:36
acts of that ilk and that was definitely
00:27:39
not in his there was one act that he
00:27:42
would have probably uh produced instead
00:27:44
of me and that was Dan Fogelberg oh I
00:27:47
remember Fogelberg made one big mistake
00:27:49
and he said I want to do an act just
00:27:51
like Poco and Jimmy was like no I don't
00:27:54
want to do that wait a minute so Jim
00:27:56
Messina's in a room he's got an Andy
00:27:57
Williams eight by ten and Kenny Loggins
00:28:00
eight by ten I'm not sure well let's go
00:28:03
with the long hair guy one's the future
00:28:05
you know Andy Williams had a great run
00:28:07
Andrew Williams is an incredible voice
00:28:09
nothing against Andy Williams and his
00:28:11
family what's more exciting you know
00:28:12
Claudine and that's his wife or what
00:28:16
don't you remember that Claudia and
00:28:17
Lange that was the Invitational ski
00:28:20
SNL did yeah that's a dentist
00:28:23
go hit the slopes it's something he
00:28:26
would do a bit about that guy's got an
00:28:28
AK-47 going down the Bunny Hill that's
00:28:31
something about him
00:28:33
I'm going backtracking to Danny we can
00:28:36
bounce around and uh it'll be easy
00:28:38
there's Eddie's song too my big brother
00:28:40
had add so I can keep up with you I do
00:28:42
too oh there's a butterfly I gotta tie
00:28:44
my shoe what'd you say so this is
00:28:46
Danny's Song is about your brother but
00:28:48
it was similar that my brother uh Andy
00:28:51
my older brother is very cool and I went
00:28:53
to high school with him but he was
00:28:54
always embarrassed me it sounded like
00:28:55
you said something like that where you
00:28:57
were a little younger and he told me I
00:28:59
dressed uncool and he would always go
00:29:00
don't they don't want people want you
00:29:02
guys at the party and I go it's a party
00:29:04
for freshmen he's like I know but they
00:29:05
don't either
00:29:08
is somebody who always thinks you're an
00:29:11
idiot yeah to help you but maybe three
00:29:14
of them that thought I was maybe that
00:29:16
beating is you know uh Dana is from his
00:29:19
dad's Montana I think your dad might be
00:29:20
from Montana that explains a lot and it
00:29:22
was a it was a his dad was very tough on
00:29:25
him he's like an old school dad he had
00:29:27
it in for me and uh wow I don't know if
00:29:29
you uh had that similar situation just
00:29:31
just old school tough I'd say that you
00:29:33
know and uh my dad was tough till he
00:29:35
left
00:29:38
um
00:29:39
have you considered therapy at all
00:29:43
my favorite subject no I got into
00:29:45
therapy five years ago and I I should
00:29:49
have got it at age 30. I learned a lot
00:29:51
but you might not have been who you were
00:29:54
well how would you just generally for
00:29:57
you
00:29:58
because I did read your book but you're
00:30:00
gonna say how would you describe me how
00:30:02
would you say enough about me what do
00:30:04
you think how would you describe your
00:30:05
childhood just a normal or kind of weird
00:30:07
really fun uh you know or all of them
00:30:12
yeah right how do I put this yeah it did
00:30:15
so I was a third of three boys youngest
00:30:19
and I was the youngest yeah and uh and
00:30:23
my the Middle Brother Dan
00:30:25
was kind of the outsider he was kind of
00:30:28
the James Dean of the Rebel yeah yeah
00:30:30
and so you know I tried to be like him
00:30:33
you've had one of those I think
00:30:36
and and it wasn't very easy to do
00:30:38
because none of his clothes fit can't
00:30:40
live up to him so you're trying to wear
00:30:42
hand-me-downs I even tried to you know
00:30:44
wear some hamidos because they were cool
00:30:46
right yeah he was cool whatever he wore
00:30:47
was cool and it didn't look the same on
00:30:48
me that's such an illusion and um but
00:30:52
that's what I was referring to in the
00:30:54
back of the book was that in the process
00:30:56
of trying to be like my brother I
00:30:58
realized thanks to him that everything
00:31:00
about me was uncool and really stupid so
00:31:04
you have to work at changing those
00:31:06
things to become not so stupid and to
00:31:09
try to be cool yeah and so there's a
00:31:11
process of creating a Persona that
00:31:15
that I carried into rock and roll
00:31:17
because I thought if I'm gonna be on a
00:31:18
camera if I'm going to be out in front
00:31:20
of people right I better fix those
00:31:22
things that don't seem to be working
00:31:24
yeah yeah you got pretty cool though you
00:31:27
uh uh you obviously
00:31:29
um at some point you realize I I don't
00:31:31
know how you were in high school I saw
00:31:32
your high school senior you know but you
00:31:34
you became kind of movie star
00:31:37
good looking right I weren't you almost
00:31:39
in A Star is Born or is that oh yeah
00:31:41
that's a rumor yeah did you ever hold
00:31:44
hands with Barbra Streisand I know but
00:31:48
we sang together no which was pretty
00:31:49
cool and uh no at one point she said
00:31:53
have you ever acted would you have any
00:31:55
aspirations for acting and I said no
00:31:58
and that was that wasn't my thing and
00:31:59
that was that so that was my audition I
00:32:01
would say where did you you know I'm
00:32:04
fascinated by drive and where did where
00:32:06
did you think yours came from and when
00:32:07
did you realize that you had it you know
00:32:10
like you're willing to go through a lot
00:32:11
of pain and keep writing songs and just
00:32:13
the drive to get to where you got when
00:32:16
did you were you like that and had to
00:32:18
win at games as a kid and stuff like
00:32:19
that I was always competitive yeah in
00:32:23
sports but not at school you know it's
00:32:25
the school was sort of a side thing
00:32:28
for me but you know
00:32:30
I think I think the drive came because I
00:32:33
knew that I had some talent I didn't
00:32:35
know how good I was but I knew I could
00:32:37
pull off you know I could go to a party
00:32:38
and sing songs and there'd be people
00:32:40
listening but other than that I didn't
00:32:43
know how far it could take me but I knew
00:32:46
that rock and roll is a high turnover
00:32:48
business and sooner or later I'm gonna
00:32:50
get a shot at it and I better be good
00:32:52
because I want to hang out there for a
00:32:54
while yeah and then one thing just led
00:32:56
to another I think the motivation when I
00:32:59
got married and had kids was you know I
00:33:01
got to bring in some money here I got to
00:33:03
support this family and so I just kept
00:33:05
pushing kept writing kept recording it's
00:33:08
a tough one did you have bands in the
00:33:10
70s that were your peers you'd listen to
00:33:12
their album or watch before they go yeah
00:33:13
who did you like James Taylor's money I
00:33:15
want to beat that or just even his
00:33:17
friends did you did you have sort of
00:33:19
Seeger anyone well I think there is that
00:33:22
that friendly competition that happened
00:33:24
she's so friendly with with other
00:33:26
players like other guitar players and
00:33:28
stuff they take their guitar to school
00:33:29
we'd sit around and trade and that's
00:33:31
where you learn things you know when
00:33:33
you're working with your friends it's
00:33:35
friendly enough that there's a there's a
00:33:38
one upsmanship that usually happens but
00:33:41
also that you're paying attention to
00:33:43
what they're doing because if somebody
00:33:44
does something really good you're gonna
00:33:45
go God I gotta remember that show me how
00:33:48
you played that or I remember the first
00:33:50
time I was I think I'd smoke marijuana I
00:33:52
was with the band and I think you still
00:33:54
do yeah you know I did I well we we
00:33:57
tried at the ranch and the house
00:33:59
vibrated we took an edible my wife and I
00:34:01
only because we wanted to test drive it
00:34:05
for her mother her mother of course yeah
00:34:08
you know Cyrus
00:34:11
then we didn't give it to her because
00:34:13
the whole house was going like this you
00:34:15
know but um anyway I digress
00:34:20
yeah we just took a teeny bid I didn't
00:34:23
know and then we were watching The
00:34:24
Godfather had cottonmouth then I woke up
00:34:26
at 2 A.M and then the room was vibrating
00:34:29
it was I I could barely walk I said what
00:34:32
yeah it sounds like you took indica
00:34:52
I go which one he goes which one of
00:34:55
these 600 do you like I go that's where
00:34:57
you come in I don't know and then the
00:34:58
owner comes out he goes hey Spade you
00:35:00
know Jimmy let's get him some fentanyl
00:35:02
crab cakes and uh you know what why
00:35:03
don't you have some PCP candy corns I'm
00:35:05
like no no I'm okay I'm actually saying
00:35:07
I'm actually just a new guy all right I
00:35:10
just want a weed pen like a little
00:35:11
zzquil I just went knockout but uh I
00:35:14
have another question for Kenny it's
00:35:15
more of a statement which they all will
00:35:17
be and you don't have to talk we're
00:35:19
starting the park podcast pretty soon
00:35:21
okay let me know when uh yeah we call
00:35:23
this the precursor when I press this
00:35:25
button we're first hour go ahead no this
00:35:28
might be a lie but Kenny um I think I
00:35:31
remember we did a corporate gig
00:35:34
is it possible yeah do you remember
00:35:36
MCI I was doing 100 commercials remember
00:35:41
that in the Payphone during SNL and I
00:35:44
was I was sent to part of my gate my
00:35:47
deal was to go to Saint Thomas
00:35:49
and do a show and I did stand up at the
00:35:51
real St Thomas or someone I don't know
00:35:54
is an island
00:35:55
there's an island
00:35:57
too as far as I know and then I think it
00:36:01
was you was I was the headliner and I
00:36:04
was just but I did around a pool which
00:36:06
was a tough situation they're scattered
00:36:07
all around the pool they didn't even
00:36:09
cover it up so I'm like on the diving
00:36:11
board and they're around here anyway I
00:36:12
do that and then are you doing stand-up
00:36:14
on the diving board yeah something like
00:36:16
that yeah they were they were working on
00:36:19
a chart to see which way I could bomb
00:36:20
the most and they're like I think the
00:36:22
best way for them to not do well is to
00:36:24
put them on the diving board and he can
00:36:25
that counts all the people apart yeah
00:36:27
and they're like corporate in a hot tub
00:36:29
and I was fully clothed they said get in
00:36:31
the hot tub and there's like five CEOs
00:36:35
they're naked I have a suit on yeah they
00:36:38
took an edible and the whole hot tub
00:36:40
right no anyway I think Kenny was a
00:36:42
headliner because I I swear this is true
00:36:44
but you wouldn't remember but we
00:36:46
you know a couple has got to come back
00:36:48
and say hi to you uh but you were it's
00:36:51
not really a big story it just that it
00:36:52
was you and you were coming on but you
00:36:54
obviously crushed and uh and I think I
00:36:56
got to meet you and I think it was fun
00:36:58
how could I ever forget that how could
00:37:01
you forget check your diary
00:37:03
um another thing my buddy this guy that
00:37:06
I'd done the road had the greatest
00:37:07
Footloose parody oh we haven't talked
00:37:09
about Footloose yet well remember
00:37:10
Footloose the song
00:37:15
[Music]
00:37:16
well basically like you said in your
00:37:18
book you you had all these albums and
00:37:21
all these hits and then let's you went
00:37:23
solo before you then all there's all
00:37:26
these soundtracks that blew up and are
00:37:29
still iconic but yeah you how you you
00:37:33
and Jim you're still friends now Jimmy
00:37:35
Messina we're doing a gig Thursday and
00:37:37
another one Saturday
00:37:38
you're really good friends
00:37:41
we were gonna wail on you for cops man I
00:37:44
can't I'm going on the road the only
00:37:45
reason I'm here I know I want to go
00:37:47
because it's going to be so [ __ ] I'm
00:37:49
gonna kick a day drummer and I just want
00:37:50
to be able to sit in on it do you still
00:37:52
have your book for your snare drum no I
00:37:55
graduated no I just I just drum in my
00:37:58
head all the time the guitar players
00:37:59
played tennis rackets he played with you
00:38:02
too
00:38:03
foreign
00:38:08
[Music]
00:38:40
[Music]
00:38:48
one of the hits don't fight it I I just
00:38:50
had questions because it was Steve Perry
00:38:52
and I don't I remember that when I read
00:38:54
it and then I listened to it again of
00:38:56
course I know that song and it's sort of
00:38:58
you know like Whenever I Call You Friend
00:39:00
it's you and Stevie Nicks which is huge
00:39:03
one by the way one of the greatest
00:39:04
intros of all time oh thank you I just
00:39:06
heard it again I go this is why I love
00:39:08
it you're screwing around at the
00:39:09
beginning and I think people get too
00:39:11
perfect these days in songs and they go
00:39:13
oh we had a glitch let's redo it again
00:39:15
and you go no it's funny to hear people
00:39:16
talk in the background or do something
00:39:19
odd because that's what you remember and
00:39:20
how you memorize it and I think the
00:39:23
imperfections are really fun and that
00:39:25
was on purpose obviously which
00:39:27
imperfections you did at the beginning
00:39:29
just screwing around before and we had
00:39:31
the song recorded and then Bob James was
00:39:33
producing it with me and Bob says we
00:39:36
need an intro to this and I just think
00:39:38
it's I'll just go out to the mic and
00:39:41
you know just was that just you yeah
00:39:44
that thing you remember that day at the
00:39:46
beginning yeah yeah totally yeah
00:39:47
anything like that yeah it was raised on
00:39:50
the Beach Boys and that whole
00:39:51
Counterpoint thing was part of my brain
00:39:54
genius just weave these things together
00:39:57
it's smart and when we talked to
00:39:59
McCartney it was like when do you know
00:40:01
when it's done like because you know the
00:40:03
Beatles they would put another layer in
00:40:04
another layer and they finally go that's
00:40:05
enough yeah but you go when is enough
00:40:07
because it feels perfect like so much
00:40:09
going on especially a day in the life
00:40:10
there's yeah it has change ups and
00:40:12
different things and that's why I know I
00:40:13
can never write a song it's too
00:40:15
complicated we just keep flunking you
00:40:17
know you're plunking John and I would
00:40:18
face each other with the good tools it's
00:40:21
like looking in the mirror let me just
00:40:22
keep plonking away then we came up with
00:40:24
strawberry fields
00:40:27
I'm going to ask you a question but I as
00:40:30
such a great vocalist because you are
00:40:32
you got the cans on and you're gonna
00:40:35
sing with Stevie Nicks must have been
00:40:37
cool to hear you're you sing with her
00:40:40
the blend yeah yeah it must have been a
00:40:43
thrill right yeah because she has such a
00:40:45
unique interesting we we didn't perceive
00:40:50
ourselves to the way you're describing
00:40:52
not we were just working you know what I
00:40:56
mean it wasn't Stevie Nicks it was just
00:40:58
Stevie oh what year was it like 70s so
00:41:01
they weren't uh no no it was uh late
00:41:05
late 70s late 70s so she wasn't quite
00:41:08
yeah yeah because as long as I've seen
00:41:10
it broke up in 76 and so it was probably
00:41:13
78. and it is one songs are become
00:41:17
remembered and stick out decades later
00:41:20
they it just grows bigger I mean yeah
00:41:22
well it gets legendary you know working
00:41:25
with old old comedians or actors in old
00:41:28
movies and people go what was it like on
00:41:29
this and this and you go wow because
00:41:31
the beginning of the morning you get up
00:41:33
you look at your lines you go let's get
00:41:34
out there and you do it you're just
00:41:36
working yeah and you go at the end you
00:41:37
go I think that was all right and then
00:41:38
later if it works it works did the thing
00:41:40
with uh I did a a show for Coca-Cola's
00:41:43
100th birthday with
00:41:45
um
00:41:46
George Burns oh and he was 90 at the
00:41:49
time and at the end of the show I said
00:41:51
in front of the audience said George
00:41:52
this was so much fun let's get together
00:41:55
and do it again when you turn 100. he
00:41:58
takes a cigar out of his mouth he says
00:41:59
well you look like you're in good shape
00:42:00
you might make it
00:42:02
he ran into John Lovitz when he was like
00:42:05
I guess 98 and he goes I got 18 months
00:42:08
[Laughter]
00:42:13
yeah he just kind of rounded it off you
00:42:15
know but it was an incredible life do
00:42:17
you remember the Norm Macdonald joke on
00:42:18
update when he goes George Burns today
00:42:20
he died at 100 which proves once again
00:42:23
smoking kills
00:42:26
a lot of those guys had double martinis
00:42:28
and eyeballs and cigars and just went on
00:42:31
forever yeah but all right when you're
00:42:33
recording like that with someone like
00:42:35
Steve are you hard on yourself or are
00:42:36
you kind of like I think I got it or do
00:42:38
you want another take or do you you feel
00:42:40
you when you nailed it you know it yeah
00:42:42
when you're in the zone you you can feel
00:42:44
it do you feel bad oh that's just a
00:42:47
perfect segue and we're not going to
00:42:49
take it do you feel bad see me next in
00:42:52
there and you go close going again
00:42:55
Stevie Stevie did say in a number of
00:42:58
interviews that I was the rough task
00:43:00
master
00:43:01
wow I only had that one shot to get that
00:43:04
vocal because the Fleetwood was passing
00:43:07
through and we recorded it in New York
00:43:14
you're like Stevie what are you doing
00:43:17
okay what are you saying let's do it
00:43:19
again let's oh just go again whether or
00:43:22
like in the movies when you do a take
00:43:23
they go perfect going again you go yeah
00:43:26
you guys are great we're just gonna go
00:43:28
well Stevie it would be hard you know I
00:43:30
guess you weren't intimidated back then
00:43:32
like everyone would be today with her
00:43:33
just she's also just a stunner like in
00:43:36
real life I mean there's so many you're
00:43:37
super talented but are you coming you
00:43:40
gotta agree I think you agree okay so
00:43:42
she's she's a uh talented girl she comes
00:43:45
in a great voice it matches up and then
00:43:47
you just cross your fingers and go I
00:43:48
hope this fits in the song because I
00:43:51
don't want to waste your time I don't
00:43:52
waste your time you know you just yeah
00:43:54
we didn't know
00:43:56
um
00:43:57
much about what we were going to do we
00:43:59
had to make it up as we went along was
00:44:01
the song done in the studio yeah you had
00:44:04
to write because the vocals were
00:44:07
crossing Parts where where it would be
00:44:10
too high for her or it'd be too too high
00:44:12
for me and so we'd have to switch parts
00:44:14
so sometimes she's on the melody I'm on
00:44:17
the melody and it we had Harmony where
00:44:19
the first two lines I'm her harm I'm
00:44:21
harmonizing to her Melody on the chorus
00:44:23
and then I switch over to Melody and she
00:44:25
goes up above and does the harmony I'm
00:44:27
in awe of people who can harmonize it
00:44:29
seems like the toughest thing to hold a
00:44:32
Harmony you know I think you know my big
00:44:35
brother again Danny got me into music
00:44:37
and singing when I was little and so he
00:44:40
had me learn all the harmony parts and
00:44:42
when I met Olivia Newton John she said
00:44:44
yeah her big sister was the same way her
00:44:46
big sister was the one who had all the
00:44:48
Melodies and she had to sing all the
00:44:49
harmonies damn so you really started
00:44:52
young yeah you do you like The Beach
00:44:54
Boys too and they were all harmonies
00:44:55
yeah it was all about that when you we
00:44:58
have someone like Stephen X or someone
00:44:59
else let's say Steve Perry in there um
00:45:01
you're doing a song do they ever say I
00:45:03
want that line
00:45:05
foreign
00:45:09
wants to take your punchline yeah yeah
00:45:11
not good it's very weird yeah
00:45:17
uh you know I'm uh so uh it is tough but
00:45:22
I guess it's whoever's doing it like
00:45:25
when we were doing grown-ups Applause
00:45:28
um oh yeah thank you
00:45:29
there's five comedians there so this
00:45:31
this isn't
00:45:33
the example I'm talking about but Adam
00:45:35
was pretty cool about you know you have
00:45:36
five Comedians and when you're the scene
00:45:39
is the scene and we all have a joke but
00:45:41
we're all obviously capable of coming
00:45:43
with more jokes so on every take Adam
00:45:45
will go Spade do whatever you want this
00:45:47
one and then Rock and then I'll come in
00:45:49
we'll huddle up after a take and might
00:45:51
say what about this line and Adam will
00:45:53
go you know what uh Rocky say that and
00:45:56
then uh we'll say ago Adam and he'll
00:45:58
kick him around until he was producing
00:46:00
he was producing he's a producer and
00:46:01
then and you have to have a boss and we
00:46:03
have to go okay whatever happens now you
00:46:04
do them all and then when the movie
00:46:06
comes out
00:46:07
he was pretty fair you could have made
00:46:09
that the Spade movie because every scene
00:46:11
I had you had it you had a line but he
00:46:14
goes Rock's funny that one
00:46:15
he's already had one give it to Kevin
00:46:17
James here he had a great line in that
00:46:18
one and I think even it out and doesn't
00:46:20
hog him all for himself he could have
00:46:22
been every joke because every time we
00:46:24
you know everyone have something yeah uh
00:46:26
but I think that's good how do you is
00:46:29
that intimidating for you it it was hard
00:46:31
with you know other four or five other
00:46:33
things but it's work it's the same thing
00:46:36
if there's a chemistry yeah there's a
00:46:37
chemistry are you good well Saturday
00:46:38
Night Live definitely made me go from
00:46:40
being a not
00:46:42
really good writer or maybe just a
00:46:45
decent writer for my own stand-up but
00:46:47
Lauren said I like that writing we want
00:46:49
it in here and then I you know can you
00:46:51
write for Dana Mike Myers whoever and
00:46:53
that was harder to write for other
00:46:54
people but it would seem liberating to
00:46:57
make you better just imagine anybody
00:46:59
doing that well it's a style that I can
00:47:02
write for myself and then I'd give it to
00:47:04
someone they go uh I think you can do it
00:47:05
better or I think that's more your thing
00:47:08
which is a plight wave so how would you
00:47:10
do this yeah or you know I don't have
00:47:12
line rings but I go this and I wind up I
00:47:15
wasn't as good writing for other people
00:47:16
but I think it made me better to go to a
00:47:19
read through and watch good writing and
00:47:21
watch people write and use like you're
00:47:23
saying you get around good people it's
00:47:25
it's the key like in I did a
00:47:29
well it's good memory moment uh
00:47:32
documentary hopefully you edit this
00:47:34
I did a wine inch TV show wine and
00:47:37
family okay and they did a moment where
00:47:41
um I think Michael was on McDonald was
00:47:43
on the show with me and about six or
00:47:46
seven really strong lead singers
00:47:49
and each one of us had a solo line that
00:47:52
we would that we would take and then
00:47:53
they would point you take this oh wow
00:47:56
we're singing the song learning the song
00:47:58
and then jamming on what the solo line
00:48:01
was and we are the world you did we are
00:48:03
the world was like that too here in the
00:48:04
world you asked for a different one
00:48:07
I want Cindy's line
00:48:14
yeah did you go did someone go hey Cindy
00:48:17
on this take ham it down
00:48:20
it looks like it's getting good
00:48:23
competition go to the YouTube moment
00:48:25
where uh they're trying to get Cindy's
00:48:28
line over and over again and and look in
00:48:30
the back on the stairs is Steve Perry
00:48:33
and he's making the funniest faces it's
00:48:35
like oh he's clowning well not clowning
00:48:38
especially I think he's just grimacing
00:48:40
because there are moments where
00:48:42
you know she would kind of miss the note
00:48:44
was that a long that must have been a
00:48:46
long shoot I heard right oh it went a
00:48:48
long time yeah not just Cindy I mean
00:48:50
everybody yeah I just who was a real
00:48:52
dick
00:48:53
Did anyone say we want a trend yeah
00:48:56
Spade needs a heart out in an hour and
00:48:59
everyone's like what yeah
00:49:00
anybody want to get out I'm sure
00:49:02
everyone wanted to get out of there
00:49:03
Dylan didn't want to do anything live
00:49:05
with the with the people because he he
00:49:07
has his own thing and he doesn't want to
00:49:08
have to sing in the group so they
00:49:10
brought him in separately to he's sort
00:49:12
of rocked and swayed uh to the song a
00:49:15
little bit but they didn't he didn't
00:49:16
really sing along didn't they show him
00:49:18
in a wide show he's just not that kind
00:49:20
of singer he's just Bob Dylan so did you
00:49:23
hear about um Aerosmith what's his name
00:49:26
Steve Steve Tyler Tyler yeah when he
00:49:28
sang the national anthem wait did you
00:49:30
see that was it recently and and uh a
00:49:33
couple years ago I think and um and he
00:49:37
sings
00:49:39
and you know he gets all this criticism
00:49:42
and he says what do you expect them
00:49:44
that's me yeah what are you doing here
00:49:47
why would you ask me if you didn't
00:49:48
expect me to do that I love because that
00:49:50
early Bono is on We are the world uh he
00:49:53
sounded cool from you too and uh Mike
00:49:55
Jackson he was Bono was in there he was
00:49:58
wasn't he wasn't he okay we gotta Google
00:50:01
this because I know somebody just
00:50:03
because so much in this podcast that's
00:50:06
interesting I can't afford one more I
00:50:08
hope I'm not bugging you I didn't mean
00:50:10
to bug you I like it Michael I did a
00:50:12
Michael Jackson video once I think I
00:50:13
told you Dana and uh he cut me out of it
00:50:15
anyway so Michael Jackson in 1975 I was
00:50:19
a busboy waiter bringing him his carrot
00:50:21
sticks before the show for a week I knew
00:50:23
all the family Tito Marlon everybody
00:50:27
Michael was um charming and I brought
00:50:30
him carrots and Janet was tan and she
00:50:33
was dumping them down the bed I said
00:50:34
please don't do that Janet she goes
00:50:36
Jackson if you please that's nasty
00:50:39
that's the joke part I wanted to get
00:50:41
into something we talked about earlier
00:50:43
is when you collaborate you said that
00:50:45
you're in a room collaborating in the
00:50:46
end of the day no one really remembers
00:50:48
who came up with what oh right yeah and
00:50:51
you collaborate your big collaborators
00:50:52
like Michael McDonald was he like your
00:50:54
favorite you did like seven songs with
00:50:55
him or something yes I guess five maybe
00:50:58
you guys kind of went back and forth but
00:51:00
that's kind of do you remember it's
00:51:01
interesting that people don't yeah okay
00:51:03
we're gonna say the basics like when I
00:51:04
came over the Hollywood minute for David
00:51:07
he's obviously being facetious I said
00:51:11
David this is so easy so you should you
00:51:13
should do this this is just you he does
00:51:15
a great job with it he did great yeah
00:51:17
that was generous
00:51:20
from Better Call Saul he helped me uh
00:51:23
come up with that so what I'll ask you
00:51:24
these two questions what was your I just
00:51:26
probably don't have it your favorite
00:51:27
collaboration or the collaboration that
00:51:29
was better than you dreamed it would
00:51:31
ever be
00:51:32
um turned out better or someone who you
00:51:35
enjoyed collaborating with you you
00:51:36
sought them out Miss Piggy did you do
00:51:38
that oh you did oh yeah you were a big
00:51:40
guy one of those things yeah yeah but
00:51:49
you know um I I've always opted for the
00:51:53
um Fred Astaire answer to that question
00:51:55
which is that he he refused to ever say
00:51:58
which was his favorite sure right all my
00:52:01
children are my favorite I have a good
00:52:03
question to this guy um Steve Perry uh
00:52:07
pipes
00:52:10
to clear the air because you're in the
00:52:12
business Kenny Loggins has the board
00:52:13
everyone loves Steve Perry everyone
00:52:16
loves Journey and they they went on
00:52:19
without them I don't know if it's a
00:52:20
money thing or whatever but everyone
00:52:21
sort of was hoping he would come back
00:52:23
and do it with them was it his voice
00:52:26
okay because our someone we know our
00:52:29
business manager used to work with a lot
00:52:31
of these acts and so you had I think it
00:52:34
was The Commodores but Lionel Richie
00:52:35
wrote the song so he had the publishing
00:52:37
so like he's got he's going like I think
00:52:39
I'll go over here he's got all the money
00:52:41
so apparently Steve Perry had all the
00:52:43
publishing and so he didn't want a tour
00:52:45
anymore once you get a lot of money you
00:52:47
might want to tour a little bit but not
00:52:49
a three year sure so that was what I was
00:52:52
told three years of driving a three-hour
00:52:54
tour sorry you were sorry but when you
00:52:57
got when did you what was your highest
00:53:00
net worth
00:53:04
because he he didn't want to go on the
00:53:07
road like that I I really don't know I
00:53:10
don't know I don't know I know that he
00:53:11
had personal issues his mother died at
00:53:13
the time and that that kind of pulled
00:53:16
him out
00:53:22
after the show
00:53:27
[Music]
00:53:29
uh obviously Caddyshack was the first
00:53:31
big I think first big soundtrack song
00:53:33
which is impossible to get three you
00:53:36
have three that I know of uh
00:53:38
three at least I know of um but
00:53:40
Caddyshack four Caddyshack you don't uh
00:53:43
like you said you don't meet Bill you
00:53:45
don't go on the set people think you're
00:53:47
hanging out and singing with with the
00:53:48
cast it happens later right yeah and
00:53:51
they tell you what here's the movie do
00:53:52
you see it first or here's the feeling I
00:53:55
saw screening it didn't have an ending
00:53:57
and it didn't have a gopher when I saw
00:53:58
this wow yeah the Gopher dancing to the
00:54:01
dancing gopher right and everybody loves
00:54:04
the Gopher but when John Peters made the
00:54:06
movie and John said Okay so this next
00:54:08
part man this is where we have a gopher
00:54:10
come out of a golf hole and dance it's a
00:54:12
hand puppet
00:54:14
that's stupid
00:54:19
it sounds horrible I was so wrong I mean
00:54:22
it does sound horrible with that they'd
00:54:24
throw it out right yeah let's do it well
00:54:26
how about a puppet over here then and
00:54:28
Bill Murray's gonna talk to you yeah I
00:54:29
have lamb chop with me right the laptop
00:54:32
was a star you bring lamb chop and I
00:54:34
understand he made the big money
00:54:38
his net worth sure so this net worth so
00:54:42
you you write it to the you write it to
00:54:45
the imaginary
00:54:47
yeah
00:54:48
I wrote I wrote a couple of songs for
00:54:51
that the opening the opening song where
00:54:53
Danny the lead character is riding his
00:54:55
bicycle through Suburbia and
00:54:58
um and the temp music temporary music
00:55:00
that they had for that spot was it Bob
00:55:03
Dylan song
00:55:04
and I thought this is really strange and
00:55:06
why would they be playing a Bob Dylan
00:55:08
song showing a kid riding his bicycle
00:55:10
that nothing is happening here and and
00:55:14
then
00:55:15
I I figured that you know Dylan is like
00:55:18
the ultimate Rebel so why is that going
00:55:21
on what are they trying to tell me and
00:55:23
then by the end of the movie you see
00:55:24
Danny changes his his character from
00:55:27
wanting to be a part of the country club
00:55:28
to wanting to go his own way so he it
00:55:31
does become the rebel so that's where
00:55:33
I'm all right nobody worried about me
00:55:34
came from wow I didn't put that together
00:55:36
interesting oh that's cool you know they
00:55:39
had no ending though and so you were
00:55:41
talking about giving a lion away they
00:55:43
just they brought Rodney back out onto
00:55:45
the golf course Rodney Dangerfield I
00:55:47
tell you got no respect and it's and
00:55:49
they said give us an ending
00:55:52
and this was uh um who who wrote that um
00:55:57
you would know that Caddyshack yeah the
00:56:00
was it Harold Raymond Harold Ramis who
00:56:02
was Amos yeah okay and the great writing
00:56:05
and a lot of improvise yeah and
00:56:07
and so Rodney just goes out and says hey
00:56:10
we're all going to get laid
00:56:16
it works and then everyone starts
00:56:18
dancing and they dance I'm all right is
00:56:20
it uh I guess yeah that worked yeah okay
00:56:24
so that one that one obviously hit
00:56:26
you've got um oh Top Gun is huge yeah
00:56:30
Heart to Heart obviously heart to heart
00:56:32
I love I heard it this morning Heart to
00:56:34
Heart Another with Michael McDonald or
00:56:36
yeah yeah that's another Michael and
00:56:38
David Foster remember that yeah I've met
00:56:40
David Foster a few times yeah he's a
00:56:42
great writer he's great right David and
00:56:45
I wrote the chorus in New York and then
00:56:48
when we had that chorus in the bag I
00:56:50
said I want to hold the rest of the song
00:56:51
for Michael because it feels like a
00:56:53
McDonald's song to me and he was on
00:56:55
piano and you were on guitar when you
00:56:57
wrote the course or David David was yeah
00:56:59
on on grand piano just like guiding him
00:57:03
usually I don't pick up a Guitar unless
00:57:05
I need to find an idea so yeah but
00:57:07
because you know the chordal thing the
00:57:09
whole piano thing is so much more fluid
00:57:11
yeah quarterly places they're playing
00:57:14
you're you're going that that yeah how
00:57:16
about over here no no not that one this
00:57:18
one put that in the base yeah and so
00:57:20
then I went to Encino to Michael's house
00:57:23
and I played the chorus for him and I
00:57:25
said let's write a verse and so he just
00:57:27
said
00:57:29
he came up with that in about five
00:57:31
minutes and that's it let's do that yeah
00:57:34
and did you I think you said in the book
00:57:37
you uh you you had David Foster and you
00:57:40
had him and you had to pick you know we
00:57:42
went and we went into the studio and
00:57:45
because I'd promised that I would never
00:57:47
record a song I wrote with Michael
00:57:49
without Michael on the piano because
00:57:50
he's a unique player
00:57:53
um we put David in one room on the grand
00:57:56
piano and Michael was in the main room
00:57:58
on the vendor roads so Michael played
00:58:01
the verses and then he would lay out and
00:58:02
David would jump in on the choruses and
00:58:05
it's Michael when you say unique Styles
00:58:07
it's kind of rudimentary intentionally
00:58:09
or or how would you describe how because
00:58:12
it is sort of it's Rhythm I mean the way
00:58:13
he plays boy he plays piano Michael
00:58:15
plays with his his hands apart and and
00:58:18
his Baseline is moving all the time and
00:58:20
David plays like thumb to thumb so he
00:58:22
beats does these big clustery chords
00:58:24
that are real Lush and more r b kind of
00:58:26
vibe unless there's a wider range in the
00:58:29
chords it's just a different style
00:58:30
Michael's more like that stride gospel
00:58:33
okay so what about Footloose how'd you
00:58:36
come up with that
00:58:42
gun no but the Footloose was before Top
00:58:45
Gun or they're right around the foot
00:58:46
this is before time okay Dave that was
00:58:48
uh a friend of mine Dean critchford
00:58:50
wrote the screenplay yeah and he asked
00:58:52
if he could write some songs with me to
00:58:54
make sure that he got the deal with
00:58:56
Paramount to also be a songwriter
00:58:58
because they only saw him as a
00:58:59
screenwriter ah so as a favor to Dean we
00:59:03
wrote a couple of songs one of which was
00:59:05
Footloose one of which was I'm free
00:59:07
and and it turned out to be a favor to
00:59:10
me and you at that point had
00:59:13
transitioned into electric and you were
00:59:14
into the fender because you have that
00:59:16
down
00:59:17
yeah that kind of started well I came up
00:59:20
with that idea backstage so it was sort
00:59:22
of warming up on that but oh that no you
00:59:25
know I wrote it on acoustic guitar but I
00:59:27
knew that it was going to be like the
00:59:29
entire part and it's like a Dwayne do
00:59:31
you think Kevin Bacon's danced to it
00:59:33
well or how'd you feel his dancing was I
00:59:35
think I think I think Kevin and all the
00:59:38
people that danced to that uh pretty
00:59:40
amazing and yeah yeah you know if you
00:59:42
look at the video that's not Kevin
00:59:43
entirely right there's there's all the
00:59:47
flips and the Twirls and everything just
00:59:49
most things started crying I don't
00:59:52
believe
00:59:53
it's Kevin making
00:59:56
should we just touch on SNL for a second
00:59:59
no what that no no because I I want to
01:00:02
tell them is the uh parody of Footloose
01:00:04
that he's hurt a million oh okay yeah
01:00:06
but who's the guy this is the one I
01:00:08
heard and just bear with me and we'll
01:00:09
cut it later it was been sleeping all
01:00:12
night worked up an appetite I'm lying on
01:00:16
my head mom says get out of bed I see
01:00:18
the toucan he says to follow his nose
01:00:21
run fast as you can follow wherever he
01:00:24
goes cause I gotta eat Loops Fruit Loops
01:00:27
one of the four food groups milk please
01:00:31
Louise eat the whole box with ease funny
01:00:33
heart attack need a snack my vitamins
01:00:36
and minerals I like I lack yeah
01:00:39
yeah I can't believe you got
01:00:42
me videos a guy went on before me that
01:00:44
and killed he just put the guitar down
01:00:46
and left and I didn't go on stage I
01:00:48
can't follow that [ __ ] Loops
01:00:53
yeah okay so that's a hit and in with
01:00:56
song parody uh and that was a good one
01:00:58
okay so Kenneth before
01:01:02
the longer you're gonna ask him that's
01:01:06
not bad I was gonna ask you just quickly
01:01:08
what it meant to you in 1982 if
01:01:10
Wikipedia was right to go on Saturday
01:01:12
Night Live as a musical guest was it a
01:01:14
it was it it was it both yeah it's very
01:01:18
exciting you have you have you hope
01:01:20
you're ready
01:01:21
and but because it's live right and and
01:01:24
the sound is really difficult to make it
01:01:27
right you must go in there and tweak and
01:01:29
get scared I had my own engineer to be
01:01:31
in the room and make sure it
01:01:33
approximated the record do you remember
01:01:34
what song I did the show a couple times
01:01:37
oh you did yeah I had one time was heart
01:01:40
to heart and I'm pretty sure I did
01:01:42
Footloose okay okay but I did the other
01:01:45
one that was way better was Fridays I
01:01:47
think that was caught Friday don't show
01:01:49
the days
01:01:53
don't tell Lauren I'm sorry now uh does
01:01:58
it bump the record that's the idea right
01:01:59
it bumps well hopefully yeah then it's
01:02:01
just to keep the record moving up it
01:02:04
also looks cool yeah but it was a status
01:02:06
yeah
01:02:07
live was always a status gig 100 and you
01:02:10
feel for your if you look back on it do
01:02:13
you feel like you you did great each
01:02:15
time or were you coming off going ah did
01:02:17
you no I felt good about it yeah did
01:02:19
Lauren say anything to the Lauren boss I
01:02:22
don't think so because he'd be very I
01:02:24
think he was busy take the broom he'd
01:02:26
say oh it's a nice job I thought it was
01:02:29
breathtaking
01:02:32
um okay well we touched on SNL right we
01:02:34
did it and that's what the show's about
01:02:35
yeah but it's too fun to talk about this
01:02:38
other stuff and uh book is obviously
01:02:40
still all right by Kenny Loggins uh but
01:02:43
lastly we'll talk about um danger zone
01:02:46
because uh it was obviously uh
01:02:48
yeah could you still sing that in
01:02:51
concert oh yeah and how is that an easy
01:02:53
one relative because it's kind of raw or
01:02:55
you don't have to reach for the high
01:02:56
notes as much well there are high notes
01:02:58
in that okay he's a rookie so how
01:03:01
dangerous is the Zone it's just a
01:03:03
question
01:03:04
you wrote that down did you
01:03:11
[Laughter]
01:03:16
decide but um have you heard the song
01:03:18
I've been to the fruit loop Zone Fruit
01:03:21
Loop now I'm going to be singing that
01:03:22
all day
01:03:24
Loops how did that song Come about you
01:03:28
got contacted by Jerry Bruckheimer
01:03:30
so yeah that was uh contacted by Jerry
01:03:34
Bruckner
01:03:35
um to see a screening but I think it was
01:03:38
a cattle call they did a bunch of
01:03:40
screenings for a lot of artists to come
01:03:42
in and I was sitting there I was making
01:03:44
a record with the producer an Austrian
01:03:48
producer named named Peter Wolf yeah
01:03:55
that sounded nothing like this amazing
01:04:05
um so then then
01:04:07
try to pick up where I left off here
01:04:09
well I went in for the cattle call and
01:04:12
and saw the movie and there was about
01:04:14
six other acts in the theater you won't
01:04:16
say who they are I knew everybody I
01:04:18
don't remember but Aerosmith was not
01:04:20
there oh and that I thought the opening
01:04:24
scene with the Jets and everything I
01:04:26
figured forget about it everybody's
01:04:27
going to write for that and they got to
01:04:28
the middle scene and the uh the
01:04:30
volleyball scene right and I turned to
01:04:32
Peter and I said nobody's going to write
01:04:34
for this we got to write this one
01:04:36
then you're on the album right and then
01:04:39
you're one of 10 or 12 songs that can be
01:04:41
chosen for a single that's clever but
01:04:43
Kenny do you write that's so interesting
01:04:46
you write for a scene because they have
01:04:47
to put music throughout the movie so
01:04:49
they're trying to buy for the first
01:04:51
scene I knew that scene was going to
01:04:52
need music and okay so that's what I
01:04:54
went for so I got playing with the boys
01:04:56
in and then while I was recording that I
01:04:58
got a call from maroder and his office
01:05:00
they said
01:05:02
you know we have a song we gotta dub in
01:05:04
Friday and we don't have a singer for it
01:05:07
because I guess the lawyers blew it and
01:05:10
that was dangerous though that was
01:05:11
danger zone so so I went I listened to
01:05:14
it I made some changes and made some
01:05:17
changes and then went into did they give
01:05:19
you a writer's credit
01:05:20
well here's the deal writing credits are
01:05:23
tough this is actually I don't think I
01:05:25
put this in the book all right that that
01:05:28
um
01:05:29
Giorgio and Whitlock his co-writer they
01:05:33
were trying for an Academy Award for
01:05:35
their for their music in the movie
01:05:39
but if they had it had to be the same
01:05:41
two writers so they couldn't add me as a
01:05:44
writer
01:05:45
because that would that would be one of
01:05:47
the songs they needed to get that
01:05:49
Academy Award nomination right it is I
01:05:51
thought it was five but okay you know
01:05:54
better than me because you're a big
01:05:55
movie star well I
01:05:58
read the book it is in the so let's say
01:06:01
it's four or five and then uh and um you
01:06:04
so you do wind up with it or you don't
01:06:06
get it well I I said okay then just give
01:06:08
me a piece of the publishing instead of
01:06:10
writers so we you know financially we
01:06:13
can work it out that way but then when
01:06:15
he sold his Publishing Company
01:06:17
something got lost in the shelter oh and
01:06:20
my name was dropped off the record for
01:06:22
about actually more like 10 years
01:06:25
so nothing came in just from the
01:06:28
publishing on that part and then nobody
01:06:30
nobody was watching the door right so I
01:06:32
didn't get paid for at least 10 years
01:06:34
maybe 12. but then you got a credit
01:06:36
later we had to straighten it out and
01:06:38
okay go through all that stuff but
01:06:40
that's always but so my name was not on
01:06:43
his writer for years does that eat at
01:06:45
you a little bit
01:06:47
the missing money is what ate at me oh
01:06:50
yeah also that someone would drop the
01:06:52
ball like that and yeah no no one's
01:06:54
watching the hen house and you and then
01:06:56
when danger zone comes back again on the
01:06:59
new topic I don't know it's a big hit
01:07:01
right it's like a an amazing worldwide
01:07:03
Smash and here you are again front and
01:07:05
center yeah and just as a fan when I
01:07:08
watched the movie and then I heard that
01:07:10
again it was like oh I was just
01:07:12
completely elevated it brings everybody
01:07:14
right back to that moment 35 years ago
01:07:17
but it was like you guys were just you
01:07:20
know like what five I was so young thank
01:07:22
you Kenny uh I want to meet your
01:07:24
dermatologist Kenny's looking good yeah
01:07:27
you're looking good and all right let's
01:07:28
we should let Kenny go I think we
01:07:30
covered everything SNL We Could well I
01:07:32
just want to know how you this
01:07:34
Resurgence what what is it meant if
01:07:37
anything just at your front and center
01:07:39
right now in the culture with danger
01:07:41
zone did the people go more crazy when
01:07:43
you play it like absolutely yeah so it's
01:07:45
that's just kind of cool right it's
01:07:48
Tommy Dowd I worked with on a record he
01:07:51
produced Derek and the Domino's and a
01:07:53
few things like that oh yeah and Tommy
01:07:55
said success is like a moving train and
01:07:58
for a minute you're in the window and
01:08:00
people can see you and then the train
01:08:01
moves on and so my train is like a
01:08:05
Lionel Circle you know it just keeps
01:08:07
coming around because now this danger
01:08:10
Zone's back in the window and it's cool
01:08:12
again Footloose went through a period of
01:08:14
time where it was just not cool
01:08:18
when you if and when I go to your
01:08:20
concert which I want to because it's
01:08:22
great uh you're the kind that if I
01:08:24
brought a friend that wasn't as 100
01:08:26
familiar every other song they'd be like
01:08:28
oh he does this one there's so many hits
01:08:31
I don't think it's you you it's you can
01:08:34
suffer from too many hits yeah although
01:08:36
he also did that yeah but then it you
01:08:38
know with music you have the young
01:08:40
people keep discovering it
01:08:42
and it's kind of hit my kids love stuff
01:08:43
from the 80s and 90s you can see that
01:08:45
the whole Yacht Rock thing is really big
01:08:48
briefly Yacht Rock how do you how do you
01:08:50
define that well I don't but actually
01:08:54
there was a period of time I will
01:08:57
a period of time where uh smooth jazz
01:09:00
was influencing pop music and so a lot
01:09:04
of us were leaning in that sort of
01:09:07
Stevie Wonder kind of vibe and trying to
01:09:09
get things that were a little funkier a
01:09:10
little you know more of a jazz Groove
01:09:12
and I was working with a lot of the New
01:09:14
York guys like David Sanborn and Eric
01:09:17
Gale and Steve gadd and people like that
01:09:19
so
01:09:21
you know like heart to heart is a good
01:09:23
example of that kind of jazz smooth jazz
01:09:25
and pop rock yeah a lot of saxophones in
01:09:28
that era yeah and so I think that that
01:09:31
the Yacht Rock thing was kind of partly
01:09:33
defined by the guys that created the the
01:09:36
internet comedy bit on Yacht Rock so it
01:09:39
was like wealthy men on their boats I'm
01:09:44
never sure about that that's one of the
01:09:45
things I hear is like it's is it music
01:09:47
you listen to on your yacht or is it
01:09:49
because if you own a yacht do you do you
01:09:51
listen more of a concept of just like it
01:09:54
sounds cool it sounds fun and it sounds
01:09:56
like yeah old school hits that maybe
01:09:58
middle-aged guys are cranking which I'm
01:10:01
fine with yeah yeah they all they all
01:10:04
work yeah Dana's uh one I'm like a young
01:10:07
a young man yeah yeah I am his father we
01:10:11
haven't never announced it but uh
01:10:14
I think they're allowed to laugh back
01:10:16
here they've been either they're holding
01:10:17
it in or nothing's been funny yet
01:10:19
um so anyone really started the show yet
01:10:30
and wait there's more he's coming at us
01:10:33
in society and now danger zone and Top
01:10:36
Gun and all that super head and we just
01:10:39
thank you for coming on our humble show
01:10:41
yeah I appreciate it I'm glad I'm glad
01:10:43
you got when I heard you had one these
01:10:45
kids are good they're gonna they call
01:10:48
the kid can I hang out with you and say
01:10:50
stick with it you know they they just
01:10:52
might make it well thanks because uh if
01:10:54
you get a chance see him in concert he's
01:10:56
uh it's all it's great I would love it
01:10:58
and uh I'm gonna look at your tour
01:11:00
listen just show up backstage anytime
01:11:04
yeah work up
01:11:06
any song you like I'll do chopping
01:11:08
broccoli it's a thing I did on SNL if
01:11:09
you got a piano it's a
01:11:11
broccoli might be a good collab that
01:11:14
should be a good we'll we'll take an
01:11:15
intermission that night
01:11:20
the whole crowd leaves you can be the
01:11:22
opening act all right thank you Kenny
01:11:25
and thank you Dana and David once again
01:11:28
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