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Our Guest today is Bill Simmons and uh he is a podcast jogger knut he uh is the
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head I like that word he's the head of the ringer on Spotify and it's a huge
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huge network of podcasts he's a sports guy from Boston he's been all over ESPN
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and we go over that but the main feature of this particular episode which I had a
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lot of fun with is he said after I want to talk about Saturday Night Live and so
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David and I have never been asked this many questions by a guest um and so we
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go over a lot of SNL stuff inside baseball I think we got to stuff that we've not talked about in that in the
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ways we talked about so I really enjoyed it with Bill Simmons yeah he's he's a
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deep diver he knows everything and you know the funny part was Dana we had a
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lot of questions about is the NFL fixed and this that I had a lot of questions for him about sports and I asked
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one and then he goes I want to talk about SNL with you guys and but and I'm
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like well it wasn't really interviewing us so he just talked about different favorite things and we got some
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backstory on him yeah he he's a very interesting character He he'll talk about anything uh the the financing in
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in podcasting movies that he's a fanatic about um and gambling Sports gambling
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sport s he talks about the Super Bowl and just a lot of SNL he is maybe I'd
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have to say is he the biggest fan of just SNL that we may have ever interviewed so that's interesting he
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knew more than anyone and we did a pretty long one he could have gone on I think much longer but we both had to use
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the bathroom so we turned out but um he was great all right here
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he is Bill Simmons [Music]
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this is my setup this is where I do my pod so I got all my all my stuff behind me so it looks like I'm in this big and
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then if you zoom out it's just like this little weird corner of stuff and then nothing else looks like that in the room
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fake busy Corner yeah fake busy Corner yeah I'm in an abandoned
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motel near near Bakersfield and uh Dana was taken I put Larson and room God I'm
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I'm a good everyone knock and give me food I'm a
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minimalist what what can I say God no [ __ ] so should we so wait I have to ask
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Bill first there's no way what did you have to do with 30 for 30 I just saw this I created it I came up with the
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idea M and then uh for like a year and a half me and my friend Connor showell
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like basically came up with every angle of it and got it sold that's in my notes yeah yeah I don't want to talk about me
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though I want to talk SNL we don't need to talk about I know no you're boring I understand I understand yeah everybody
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knows you okay top best athlete I'm trying to do a mashup of Bill Simmons
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best athlete host on SNL oh wow that's a
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tough one does the rock count what's the rock on um he's an athlete well he's a movie star but yeah no he's an athlete
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The Rock was really good I mean he did the The Rock Obama and which I thought was one of the better presidential
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sketches they did 20 years yes that was funny the rock is good yeah there's pton Manning back in
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my day Joe Montana with Walter pyton yeah but I mean Montana was in one of
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the iconic sketches of the late 80s that the I'm gonna go upstairs and masturbate which was like out of nobody could
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believe he did that back in the day I was like oh my God Joe Montana said masturbate and you know what fun fact
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talk about how fun fact talk about how competitive Joe Montana is he finishes the the show and he landed that sketch
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which killed yeah and then he he he can't come out of his dressing room almost like a boxer he feels he feels he
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didn't do very well and Joe can can you go talk to him he just he just can't come out you know funny Jesus J John
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Madden was good too was before your time but he uh he came in right as he was taken off from CBS and they built it was
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during the Eddie era yeah they built the whole show around him and he was pretty he was pretty good with that I I want to
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say OJ hosted in the first 5 years and thank God he didn't kill anybody oh he killed he literally killed I had to say
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it I know it's not funny if I had to say it Charles Barkley during David's era just missed him oh yeah um sometimes
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it's tough hey did Joe Montana have any problem with that joke Dana no I don't
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think so I'll be up his inner monologue was yeah I'll be upstairs masturbating yeah yeah there was a charm when
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athletes come on or nonprofessional actors there's a sort of kind of still tilted charm to them you know I find
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that that's a big big part of the show is having movie stars non comedians try
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to do an hour and a half of Live sketch it's a ridiculous task so it's it's a great reality show I think when MJ came
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on that was about as in the running for about as famous as he ever was that was
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really when he had ascended to the A++ list and yeah um everybody was so interested to see how he would do and he
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did really well you but it it just felt like a moment when he was on that CH changed ADH everybody was flipped out so
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he was Michael Jordan at that time and uh he was um it's a real interesting
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part of being a cat remember being behind the slats with Michael Jordan and we're about to go do the sketch and it's live and he's not in his element he's
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kind of looking in his script and I said you know just look at the card don't worry about it Christopher Walkin does
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it just look at the card if you have to well and they're so used to coming through in pressure
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that eventually you come out and the adrenaline is running and it's basically no different than if they have a big
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game or something like that I was when I you know when I got to know Seth Meers and hater and those guys in the late
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2000s they popped on my pod I was always so interested in the mechanics of the
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person coming on who hosted who fit in right away what actor actress comedian
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who just kind of got the show and could have been like a surrogate cast member versus somebody who came in and was just
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kind of their head spining the whole week and then certain people would come in and you guys that were on the show
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would be like oh this isn't easy this person gets it this guy this guy or this girl could actually be on the show
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fulltime well I don't I'd be curious what those guys said off the top of my head like John Goodman was like a c he
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was just good at everything Tom Hanks of course Tom Hanks was a great one yeah completely committed by the way I want
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to just for a second check your memory what was the hit sketch kind of objectively for Michael
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Jordan's episode wasn't it the steuart SMY yes yeah and then there was a there was a NE thing I
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mean I'm I'm top top top percentile SNL fan that has ever been on this show
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including all the people who have been on it you're just not gonna I grew up with the show I was an only child I
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remember every single season everything that happened I'm just I'm gonna have an answer for every question you have I now
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I now put you I knew you were a fan and a sports fan but now I put you in context so now you're one of those
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people which is great there's not that many of them that are comprehensively dug into that show so
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let's should we try to see if we can stump him here's the thing we I told Spade this when we did a podcast like
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I'm I was born in 1969 that's literally the perfect year to grow up at the show
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because I was six when the when the show premiered I wasn't able to watch it till I was maybe 8 or 9 they started running
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the half hour kind of highlight shows on NBC that would be like 9:00 9:30 whenever that was on and that's how
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Belushi was my first guy I'm like who is this I'm like eight like this is how does this person exist started watching
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those they finally let me stay up late for the fifth season my parents and then I was all the way through Eddie uh when
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you came on when uh when Spade like the height of the 90s and all that then Hartman I mean uh uh frell coming back
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and basically saving the show and it felt like it was in trouble uh I've been there for every piece of it wow have you
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have you did you ever entertain going into the business of what we're in so ironically I did I was I was um in the
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mid90s I was writing for uh the Boston Herald and trying I really wanted a
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sports colum and the high school newspapers and it's like I have no chance this is never happening and I lived with a guy who I had done a lot of
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Comedy stuff with just for fun and we knew this guy named Bill Lawrence who um
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I think he's a producer yeah he he was the time he was on the show Friends and
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he had an SNL connection and it was the year when everything blew up when the New York Magazine when they wrote that
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piece and it was when they were coming in and they're blowing up the show summer 95 maybe yeah and we did this
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whole packet and we sent in you know 20 pages of stuff now I learned later like there's no way anybody even saw it but
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we sent it in we're like this is it this is our big break uh and it never happened but without you mean without a
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an agent or something just sending in a packet no but we had like oh guy knows a guy I was one of those but you don't
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know any better I was living in Boston we're not supposed to you know we're not supposed to read him we on the show we were talking yesterday about how we had
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mailboxes you know there was an email so right Dana was always full and then uh
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and Mike Myers and then everyone else just started getting full but but if people sent packets which a lot of
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people would send us scripts and stuff and to this day if you read they can sue you so you really can't even read it in
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case you don't like it but 3 years later there's a sketch like that on the show it's very easy to we didn't know that in
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Boston we're just like this is it they're going to hire us we'll be able to come in we'll be hanging with Sandler and it just it did not happen better
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keep my summer freak so I can go in there and prep when they call right away what was your first sketch that that was
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the top of that 20page pile what was it what was the topic of it it was a big friends
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parody it was the first year of friends we did a you you probably saw it in the pile
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no and I told Lauren it's not happening it's all right
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he'll do he'll do fine I remember we had another one about Jesus making Jesus
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coming back and like signing with Nike and doing this whole and we were like really this is so edgy this is going to
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be great now I like I read it now I'd want to kill myself well yeah but sometimes stuff was
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funny anyway back then when I even look back at sketches that are like clanking it seemed to work then and uh you just
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don't know and then later you embarrass but some of them actually still hold up yeah we're well it's funny with your era
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there the sketches were mean in a good way like some of the stuff I like some of the cars and stuff Dana did you go
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back and you watch it you're like o man like was Carson okay with this I just
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don't know if stuff's not mean in the same way especially SNL which is way more celebrity friendly than I think it
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was but back then it was like like Robo did that uh the the arcenio Beckman
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whatever that one was like the Areno parent it's like man this is kind of mean yeah but it was good that's what we
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all grew up with that was what made us laugh I don't know if there's a better way to put it but if there's an elephant in the room or what you're not supposed
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to say or what you're observing you just need to tease that out that's why it's funny you know and then it can be
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construed as mean or not mean but Johnny was fine with it he actually liked carinho you know he said really they're
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making fun of um arino as much as they're making fun of us that was and then there was one sketch that got him
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dinged and I was Blacklist did casually from the show um so a Bittersweet
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Memories but of course I revered Carson and I revered doing him I've never had
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more relaxed fun than being in the Johnny the earnest Nebraska guy that
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that's just a great Bill's here and you apparently have a very big podcast called It's called The Ringer I
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understand you know that interviewer with that voice hasn't been replaced yet
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but we've had some great people but not not no Carson yet well then you did the Larry Sanders episode which in the be
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the one of the best seasons in the history of Television season 4 but uh where you come on and you're doing the
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impression and they're trying to keep Larry from finding out that Dana has his impression of him then he sees it and
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then it's a whole cat and mouse game of whether he's going to do it on the show but you actually have the mustache on
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and the fake teeth you're like my ass yeah and I heard Gary was tweaked by
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it later but I I told him I said I'm just doing one frequency that you use in your standup some and I don't even know
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what he's trying to do to me you know it's like Jay Leno yeah it goes like that but he doesn't talk like that you
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know but anyway yeah he goes like this too I do think that was different way
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back in the day where you would take a piece of something and both of you guys did it You' take a piece of whatever and
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then you blow it out and now it become the impersonation right like Will Farrell did that with with when he was doing w
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he took like small pieces of it it wasn't even close to being W you did that when you did uh George Bush Senor
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same thing yeah now I feel like when they're doing The Impressions it's more like a dead- on impersonation of
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somebody is the trend now but back then it was like I'm going to take this one piece and go crazy with it I I'm doing
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it with Biden currently because I you know you need to you know I said this yesterday but my latest toy is so
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abstract is the only one who understand Biden is is Hunter so then I then I can do Biden of anything hey Dad what's
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going on yeah Sisco goes to people say I oh no I already ate maybe tomorrow night
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yeah cuz I so sure yeah 7:30 is great okay you know so I I find for myself in
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high school with my friends I don't want to ask you this abstracting my impression of the water poloo coach into
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madness and then that Rhythm extenuated but coming from someplace real like
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Will's W was in a real Zone but so playful I just like the sty I love it I
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also like people who could do a perfect impression too but I do like abstracting it I mean that was Hartman like when
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when I was in college and we would tape it you know we'd have like the VCR player so we'd tape it we watch it the
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next day it was like a Sunday ritual and Hartman did the McMahon and we thought
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the McMahon was like the funniest thing of all time it wasn't really you know there were pieces of Ed but his version
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of McMahon we thought combined with the Carson we just like we would be imitating be talking about but Hartman
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was really good at he did that with the Sinatra group too yeah oh sure where same thing like his version of Sinatra
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Piscopo was like more of an impression and he would have fun with I know piso was on your pot I loved it um but great
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yeah the Hartman Sinatra was a little bit like uh I don't know a little rowdier a little angrier and I thought
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it was funnier what about Ed McMahon doing when all he has to say is yes and you are correct just those little hooks
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just saying it over and over you are correct sir and then when he goes young older reference lost on younger viewers
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yes because that was where Phil was the laugh bomb and I didn't have to carry
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that weight I was kind of doing this Rhythm and setting it up and very sincere and I know that you are correct
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sir yeah old Reference last time so it was just a like a a magic show it was
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like and then boom but yeah just there was a piece to that Carson thing though where you were
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tapping into something that I think people my generation we're feeling we like Letterman was our guy for my generation like the the most important
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things that happened to me when I was like 12 13 was Eddie Murphy and Letterman and just kind of going on the
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ride with both of those guys from 82 to 85 and Carson I love Carson everyone you
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know for for three generations Carson was with three channels everyone watched Carson but he did start to seem a little
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old by the time we got to the late 80s and when you guys kind of crossed the beams and went after him a little bit in
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a fun way but you still went after him it was a little like when Norm went after Letterman in the mid 90s it was
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the same thing where he loved Letterman but the fact that he was parting him was like oh okay we're doing this now well I
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would say built to that that I kind of realized that everybody every comedian
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becomes a character CH of themselves like am I looking at this comedian and and maybe actor or whatever or am I
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looking at an impersonator so there's just this redundancy to your character but with Johnny Jay Leno told me uh he
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was guest hosting back then Johnny was still around that Johnny would walk down at NBC in Burbank and just yell out
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they're making fun of me now it's time to go so great that was Johnny who's
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obviously was very bright kind of reading the tea leaves you know and then you never went on again right I didn't
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well so what happened when you did Dennis Miller who you were friends with who used to be on the show you did Dennis Miller cooking but did he like
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that did he think it was funny well Robert SM writes these pieces that are
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brilliant and they're they're a little cutting I with that because I was good friends with uh with Dennis I just
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called him you know and said we're doing the cooking show the thing and he goes okay that's all right you know I mean
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it's hard to say no even though you don't like I don't think anyone really likes an impression when they're it's like getting a
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caricature uh you know on it's all the things you're fearful of yourself all the things you don't like they did me
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about 3 weeks after I left SNL I'm like let me get out of the building Jesus let let the body get cold [ __ ] like well
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you had Terry Hatcher sitting next to you for the Spade in America that time oh that was I thought that was one of
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the best ones you ever did and she just started doing you and it was like oh [ __ ] what's going on here yeah yeah yeah
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but at least I got to be there and give her jokes and things to say to so make it funny and make her at least get get
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more of the laughs because she was the host but she was great about it yeah that was that was actually a fun one cuz
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I was there but like when you did Dennis with Tom Hanks that was fun but Dennis is in on it and then I think he doesn't
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mind and he and he sort of is that way and his voice is so perfect to do uh I
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think he was always cool about it he's and he's so great it and it's so when you have a a way of speaking that can be
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it's just very unique and I think that's ultimately it was just from hanging out with Dennis a lot and touring with
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Dennis and just extrapolating that attitude but you know I was standing outside a hotel Den I playing Dallas or
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something and I said just hit me that your whole comic Motif is like life is
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really [ __ ] and it's really hard like so because the car at the airport they
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get the car gets you to the gig right but when you do the gig the next morning the car is always late which I pointed
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that out to Dennis and then he just he laughs so hard me going dark you know
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they got us in but now [ __ ] it now it's a half hour late flight you know and he died with that but I I just think that
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attitude is still so funny to me Bill Billy Simmons huh SNL cat all right got
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the photographic memory like a junior keskin here so yeah kin's always in
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there you know we golf once in Palm Springs and he goes uh we drive all the way there and he goes he goes you want
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to go golf in Palm Springs I was like a newer comic and he goes uh I go yeah yeah so he goes yeah okay I'll meet you
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out there I'm like we don't want to drive together like okay so we drive all the way Drive yeah and then we get out
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there and then uh we're golfing and I go hey how far to the green he goes hey
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Spud you don't have to worry about the green for another [ __ ] nine shots all right hit it as hard as you can and I'm
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like okay then because we were I don't know and then he hits two bad shots in a
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row and he goes [ __ ] and I'm heading back I go back home to La he goes yeah [ __ ] that I go Dennis don't be this is
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you're too hard to deal with come on we're having fun everything's cool but I looked up to him so much I couldn't
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really talk back to him or bust his balls too much it took so long to get to that point but he's still always above
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me better joke right it's always that thing growing up who do you look at that's why when people come on the show yeah I still have reverence to certain
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people because I got there with Dana with all these guys because they were always the ones I looked up to going on
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uh and then if you ever get in a movie where kids come to you and say hey we watch bench wers or we watch whatever
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and then you go if this is anything close to what it was like when I would
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watch movies and I saw someone from that movie I would have [ __ ] freaked out that's all that mattered in my life was
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those movies yeah we also had less choices back then I really wonder like if you're like 18 now there's so much
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comedy and stuff to watch and Tik Tok all these different places Blended like when uh I think you
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guys were both on the on the show for this The Partridge Family versus Brady Bunch sketch yeah me that was one of the
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peak SNL sketches not cuz it was like one of the funniest but it was like it hit this time everyone watching that
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show had the same pop culture experiences right so anyone I knew knew the Partridge Family we knew the Brady
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Bunch we knew every episode of those we knew Charlie's Angels we knew all the early snls we knew the early light like
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we all had like the same 25 things we the same movies so when you guys did that and it was like oh they're going
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for this oh there's more cast members oh they're gonna have the voice crack and I I don't know how you would do that now
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in 2024 because I don't know if 15 20 years ago people like at age
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22 I know if it exists I mean the biggest show currently kind of is the
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bear which is a great show but you know how far can it reach compared to prime time I got cancelled from a sitcom and
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we were doing Mickey Rooney show 24 share or whether it was 30 million or
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it's just with three channels it was insane but we actually to that sketch we had Melanie Hutson who was in it and she
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wrote it and we broke that sketch down for like a half hour on the podcast with her just the part and how it came
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together The Brady Bunch match plus Susan day was in it which pushed it over the top but I heard even piso when he
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was on a couple weeks ago on your show and he was talking about how they didn't feel like the show is doing that well
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but yet 8 million people are watching or whatever it was that's what it was like like we had right 11 channels so even if
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SNL was kind of failing everyone was still watching it and then when SNL started to come back with Eddie was like
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this is great SN I's back and then they had the Billy Crystal season did you have a crush on Susan day or not I did
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oh my God come on I mean growing with the part family I was like Dana liked David Cassy But I me and you liked Susan
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day and well then she had the LA law comeback which was like all right I was into it Chrissy didn't talk much
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attrative who's more attractive from that Elizabeth Elizabeth Montgomery or Susan
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day H Susan day I felt like Elizabeth Montgomery was slightly older generation
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right still love thanks for answering that bill no no there was like there's three generations there was like the
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Peggy Lipton Bing de Montgomery generation there was the lindsy Wagner Linda Carter Cheryl Jack Smith
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generation I was such an easy cell godamn All the Above All the Above Dan
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Charlie's Angels yeah B Danner then we move to the Dukes of Hazard Fall Guy
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Heather Thomas Katherine Bach that era yeah I me you were watching a lot of TV
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I was an only child I was watching sports and TV what else was I reading books what else was I going to do me too
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I know I know I know all those
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shows I don't know what we've lost I we were going to ask you just cuz you're
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have your pulse on you know me podcasting stuff like is John Stewart's
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coming out in SNL and what is the influence now of political satire versus
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80s and 90s in terms of moving the needle uh I like that phrase so anyway
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talk to that if you want to well it's I mean SNL had a huge part with this I I
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would say maybe the biggest and once Trump came in in 2016 I think it just
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became a lot harder because when when the real life stuff is a parody how do you parody a parody when you look back
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to aide I mean you've talked about this on the podcast Aid's doing Nix and he's got a mustache like everything was way
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more Loosey Goosey uh aka's doing Jimmy Carter talking about the Almond Brothers
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smoking a doobie with them and yeah uh Cartman does Reagan I mean his the
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Reagan sketch where Reagan's pretending he's out of it and then everybody room I mean that's one of the great sketches
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they've ever done yeah and then once they figured out the debate the 88 debate I think was huge with the Dukakis
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and yeah uh Bush and there was just so in love itsz doing the I can't believe I'm losing this guy I think from 88 all
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the way through Sarah Palin SNL really was kind of shaping how people thought
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in a lot of ways I to me like the Sarah Palin thing still makes me mad because when they had her on with Tina I felt
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like that's when something shifted and the celebrity Cameo became as important
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for the show as making fun of these people and that's that to me is like the Line in the Sand when the show started
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to change a little bit D they they'd bring on they have 32 cast members then they'd bring on stars to play people and
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not use the cast I see I would be furious a lot a lot of cameos yeah that I I feel like it's very
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it's so different and difficult to be a cast member on that show right now if you're just coming into establish
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players and I think it's great I kind of wish I'd stayed a few years longer but people are staying 10 12 years and then
00:26:30
new people in there it's such a different Dynamic that Lauren is managing the best he can you know I
00:26:36
thought you stayed the perfect amount of time well I definitely because Wayne's World hit and my political Impressions
00:26:42
hit I got sort of uh freakily really big really fast maybe too big you know and
00:26:49
so I had so so much stuff coming at me I was almost confused uh as to what to do
00:26:55
but later on I realized that I my own attention attention dis deficit disorder
00:27:01
and sketch comedy I was like a fish in water in that that's why I went back to it in
00:27:07
97 with with u The Dana Carvey Show nothing about right loaded what about
00:27:14
I'm asking about podcast Superstars what's next for Megan and Harry
00:27:20
because I don't didn't you say something about you've commented a great word said something in the past it's a great word
00:27:27
but do they is it Hallmark movies now what's next what would be the best move I mean there's probably a hug there's a
00:27:33
huge acting comeback for her at some point right she should do that suits show it's huge now on Netflix you should
00:27:39
just jump right back in or some TV like a Christmas movie where her divorced
00:27:44
husband and they have to be with the kids but they're stuck in the snow and then they fall back in love yeah she
00:27:50
just needs one of those and she's back and John Corbett could play her husband
00:27:55
he's just a friend of mine but because all she needs is one thing like that to get big ratings just out of curiosity
00:28:00
factor and she's back in Hollywood I don't know why I don't know why she's not jump the bigest reason suits took off again though I mean she was in it
00:28:07
hug not a secret yeah do do you think if Harry came out I mean he did some event
00:28:14
in Vegas where he made fun of himself a little bit or told some jokes I think that's the move for him and it could be
00:28:20
on this podcast or or on on yours but or host SNL any kind of little just in the
00:28:27
Lane of it being fun he's aware of how people perceive him and stuff I think it be because they're just monolithic now
00:28:33
we don't really know what they're thinking they release statements and here here's one thing I've learned Dana
00:28:40
and I've had my podcast since 2007 not everybody should have a
00:28:45
podcast like it's okay it's not like it's not like a driver's license you
00:28:50
know some people just can't do it it's turning into it it's sort of mandatory I just want to make a note because people
00:28:57
listenting you don't all have to have one it's okay it's sounds easy and it's kind of hard
00:29:04
it's hard and you have to you have to have some level of expertise on something you have to have real
00:29:10
authenticity I mean one of the reasons like think about all the reasons your your show works you have a relationship
00:29:16
with each other I'd want to listen to you guys talk anyway you have this wealth of SNL related guests but then
00:29:23
also other comedians that could come on that feel comfortable with you they tell stories I hear things maybe I didn't know and I just feel like I'm hanging
00:29:30
out with you guys like podcasting is not that hard but people always over and over again make it hard and they come up
00:29:36
with they try to do the idea versus to look at what actually works which is like do I want to spend time with the
00:29:42
host or not over and over again it's do I want to spend time with these people or not or this person and that's what works where do you where do you
00:29:48
interject because my uh you know people tell me about outrage outrage if it's outrageous it's contagious you know a
00:29:55
lot of podcasts kind of Harbor in you know the idea of clicks and trending you have the hot take that gets there
00:30:02
first and there's that lane we're sort of we want to make people feel good and be interesting but we don't should David
00:30:09
and I have a feud we can cut this part out but should we find a way to get really mad at each other but
00:30:17
you know that that lane I mean it no you guys are good you guys are doing great
00:30:22
Spade Spade every like maybe every month could just take a flying shot at
00:30:27
somebody to see if it could maybe get in a couple places see if I still got it out of nowhere jumping off the top rope
00:30:33
flying elbow on somebody I don't know mess around I want to believe me I want to a lot of times instead of flying the
00:30:38
wall fly on the minute and you bring back Hollywood minute but it's part of our show just wait can we talk about
00:30:44
Hollywood minute for a second yeah sure one of the iconic update uh reoccurring things that David did did Hollywood
00:30:50
minute create Twitter o yeah how about that yeah I think it it
00:30:58
was a pre precursor for sure it's basically Twitter you watch it and it's just like he's throwing out these on
00:31:04
liners with the picture about a photo yeah you should talk to Elon maybe see if you can get a cut God Dam I don't
00:31:10
know I I sometimes hear old Hollywood minute jokes and I go godamn like some
00:31:16
of them are pretty rough uh but I think for back in the day when it was just uh
00:31:21
fawning over celebrities that was the only hook it had it was like if someone doesn't really know anyone or you don't
00:31:27
know me and I've got sort of an innocent look and then really hopefully cleverly
00:31:33
and that's another thing is a lot of the writers I was going to say are trying to use me to get through me even through
00:31:38
sketches through Dana they want to get stuff out there even if it's like anger and they go you should do this because
00:31:45
they don't have a way to do it they go I can funnel it through one of these clowns and get it out there and then I'll be on the side going yeah [ __ ] that
00:31:52
guy social media has changed that you're doing that on the show and it's just on
00:31:57
right and people taped it then it comes and goes and if somebody got mad maybe you'd read about it in a newspaper the
00:32:03
trades but ultimately you couldn't even see it unless you watched it yeah and I think now that the last 15 years one of
00:32:09
the things that's changed with the show is if something you know like you some comment in Hollywood minute be like oh
00:32:14
my God then it turns into a thing then the celebrity gets mad they fire back at you now people are reporting about that
00:32:20
and it turns in story it would be before I went to bed that night it I would know what hit what didn't what was a problem
00:32:27
and then I'd have to have an answer the next day and then there'd be a feud and then it would go back and everyone have a [ __ ] comment about it I think that
00:32:33
keeps SNL really helps it because if I don't see a sketch now I follow them so if I don't see a sketch I can watch it
00:32:39
Sunday morning they're just like sketch sketch sketch like broken now monologue this that and that's kind of a smart way
00:32:46
to sift through to see what's going on there lately yeah totally well it's also interesting to see how the cast MERS are
00:32:52
using like Chloe Fineman has a really good Instagram account and she just like
00:32:57
test drives different characters and and you're half the time you're watching it going how is this not on the show why am
00:33:02
I watching this on Instagram but audition yeah it seems like there's more creative Outlets than probably you had
00:33:09
in the mid 90s where you're writing for yourself if say no to the sketch you're basically like oh [ __ ] all I did was
00:33:16
walk out and say goodbye to everybody at the end that I did nothing and then that's it till the next week right yeah
00:33:22
that one stung that was little too close to home yeah
00:33:27
Dana's like I don't know how that felt back backstage uh nean and I when we were doing H and fronts we would just
00:33:33
giggle for hours you know going back and forth and stuff and then it's distilled distilled distilled to four minutes but
00:33:41
with podcasting you can do it long form you know I mean we do have a second
00:33:46
podcast where eventually we'll get around to platforming ideas we have a video one oh everyone's [ __ ] [ __ ]
00:33:54
their pants yes Jesus just doing too good to be true no it's not it's called
00:34:02
Superfly I follow there's an Instagram account that does um I'm listening to Superfly by the way you've done like
00:34:08
three four episodes I like it because you're just bouncing around which two yeah you're just doing your thing we're
00:34:14
still getting into it getting used to it kind of hard well you guys are buddies though you're fine um there's this
00:34:20
Instagram account that runs all these old sketches and they ran comedy killers
00:34:25
from nean the it's a game show neilan's the host and I I I don't know if Dana
00:34:31
was still in the show but David probably was but it's all these categories of things whether they're a comedy or not
00:34:37
it's like the categories like the Holocaust Chow just and then it goes through and I
00:34:44
was like man what would happen if they ran this now what would the reaction be CU back then we were like oh this is
00:34:50
great what a great idea this is so funny we were all in on the joke now people would just get mad I feel like I think that's why people like Bill Bur Shane or
00:34:57
those guys do well because it's just even Theo they just say whatever they want and it's almost like back in time
00:35:03
and then some people go I don't want to get mad I just want to laugh or not laugh and not have a big opinion about
00:35:08
it and move on but and then people get mad at them and want to get rid of them and you go no maybe you can't get rid of
00:35:14
people anymore hopefully just the if it just falls under comedy of course we always think you
00:35:19
should be able to do whatever you want but not every isn't the reason you guys got into a comedy is like part of what
00:35:26
was funny is oh I probably shouldn't say that or oh I shouldn't laugh at that but that's what was funny about it and now
00:35:33
the fear there's there feels like there's more fear than we've ever had with comedy but I I agree with you that it's coming back because my son's 16 and
00:35:41
he loves Shang Gillis and yeah like that generation I think is ready to see
00:35:48
somebody kind of dance close to the line again right they they went from the super pampered super everyone scared to
00:35:54
do anything and the new people like hey [ __ ] it let's get back to just laughing and doing jokes and not because it's all
00:36:00
it's all down to like five jokes you're allowed to use and then everyone's like okay I'll accept that one that one
00:36:06
didn't offend anyone it has no no corners on it it's just the most generic Bland dog [ __ ] and some of these comedy
00:36:12
specials they're just sitting talking like there's not even ear they're just like walking around you go is there joke
00:36:17
someone's like oh I wanton have an audience in mine or I won't have this and there's not it's not just even jokes
00:36:23
anymore making you laugh it's like introspective and I go I I personally would go let's just get
00:36:29
back to getting laughs I agree what do you think Dana you know I I you were maybe too young
00:36:35
for this when it came out but Blazing Saddles so Blazing Saddles is like it's
00:36:41
a peak movie for me I'm like a senior in high school or something yeah sure and so I knew that Richard Pryor who co-
00:36:50
wrote it with Mel Brooks was not racist and neither was Mel Brooks I knew it was
00:36:55
they were sazed all the white racists are idiots cevon little is above everybody so and the
00:37:02
movie is hysterical but yeah you can't do it now the difference
00:37:07
between uh like I played a southern a strong Thurman or whatever sother car on
00:37:14
SNL yeah and right now it would be like as if I'm that guy yeah we've lost our
00:37:21
sense of humor about it for better for worse it's very it's very serious out there because the stakes are very high
00:37:28
between the left and the right and Trump and Biden it's very it's just compared to like Clinton versus George C is like
00:37:36
so benign and now it's all toxic and I have to trace it back to social media
00:37:42
giving us a platform and tribalism talk to that I don't want to even to mention what do you think about that people
00:37:48
getting yeah in their bubbles it's like it's the it's a combination social media becomes the hall police where a lot of
00:37:56
people on social media are just trying to get people mad at each other being like did you see that did you see what he said did you see that and kind of
00:38:03
poking the bear on that stuff um it's also easier to go backwards and have
00:38:09
somebody be like oh I dug this thing you did at your comedy 1993 that's weird um
00:38:15
you have people who are doing standup acts I know they try to take the phones as much as possible but you know
00:38:21
sometimes when you're te and I'm not a standup but talked to enough of them like sometimes you're out there testing
00:38:27
[ __ ] and you're trying to figure out what works and what doesn't and where the lines are and if you're losing that
00:38:32
ability that becomes dangerous too I think but U right it's also hard to pry
00:38:38
people's phones out of their hands I mean it's who's giving up their phone for two hours you know that's a very tough situation to say you can't talk to
00:38:46
your babysitter you can't talk to anyone and and so you have to agree to do that people are doing it but yeah what you're
00:38:53
saying is true if you want to say jokes to go way too far and and then you're going to be judged on that you're like this is where we used to practice and
00:38:59
then we go okay that one didn't work okay that's too much but it's already out there now and they're like though
00:39:05
that's your favorite joke and you're like no that was a pretend joke I'm trying to sharpen and now I got to I'm
00:39:12
going to die with it because that's where do you practice you know what do you do I'm with you yeah well you you
00:39:18
want to as comedians mostly just you want to say what you're not supposed to say it's what pops into your head and uh
00:39:25
to take that away and you we all self censor now oh I can't do that I won't do
00:39:30
that we'll cut that you know just do you you're not even thinking about but you are well I remember the sketch the
00:39:36
Italian restaurant sketch with Kirsty Aly when you're the Mater D and you're just
00:39:42
like basically mauling the guest which I'm half Italian so I love that because
00:39:47
Italian restaurants really are actually like that they're very touchy feeling and so you went for it there's that one
00:39:53
part when the camera pans back and he's just got Victoria Jackson with her legs
00:39:58
up and and then by the end of it they're just like licking the face and doing all
00:40:04
that I don't even know if I'm not even positive that would fly now I don't know I just don't know it's like on the line
00:40:12
but what I would tell people who have seen it or offended whatever is I asked chrisy Ali can I are you okay with this
00:40:18
she's amazing in it she let everything go yeah some people are there to say whatever we let's do anything you want
00:40:25
to me and whatever's funniest and they trust you and then it's way funnier than the people that are stiff and worried
00:40:30
about it that's the best and we did it in dress where I go over to the table and Victoria goes back I have her legs
00:40:36
up around my shoulders and I'm talking everyone sort of and then apparently the censorship people said hey chilled out a
00:40:43
little bit but somehow Smigel pretended to or Rob Schneider I can't remember
00:40:48
pretended to try to get to me before that but that was probably once I was in that position in 8h I go one of the
00:40:55
biggest laugh I've ever been been part of was that but the hon to be associ
00:41:01
your point couldn't do it today we're going to have I don't know if we had already Sharon Stone there's a sketch
00:41:08
that has 16 million on YouTube where we are sort of aing her she's going through
00:41:13
airport security oh look and I play a man from Indonesia or something oh look
00:41:19
oh I can we take you and she we're taking her clo I I I don't know if we'll talk about it with her or whether you
00:41:25
are after her but um you know one I remember when I did the poda Spade where talk about SNL the thing that I always
00:41:31
feel like it doesn't get enough credit for it catches somebody a lot of times
00:41:37
at the absolute most famous they ever were at whatever point in their career but with the guest host right see Sharon
00:41:44
Stone on probably like right after basic inak or right before and she's the most white hot famous she's ever going to be
00:41:51
like right there right in that moment and that's why it's so it's so funny to see some of the social media accounts
00:41:57
that are around SNL right about like they have the ones of just there's a there's a Twitter account of just a
00:42:02
guest host announcing the musical guest and sometimes it's really funny because it' be like there's stepen Seagal you
00:42:08
know introducing the Smashing Pumpkins and it's like it's like pop culture Mad
00:42:13
Libs you know that like uh there's one Amelia wz like saying good night and
00:42:18
it's Pearl Jam and it's super young Eddie veter and it's like all right thanks to Eddie and Pearl Jam and
00:42:24
there's no other pop culture artifact like that you know someone dug up Bill
00:42:29
uh which I saw might have been on Twitter was uh just rolling at promos which I
00:42:36
didn't know they were rolling when I was there because they're just rolling and then they're like and I used to write promos so yeah it's me amelo Eddie veter
00:42:45
Lauren talking and then going okay and then just all the talk in between I
00:42:50
would say this I'd hit this we step out of frame they try one hey it's Amilia esz and pearl J and then we all walk
00:42:57
back into frame and go how'd it go we were a second too long okay take this word out it's riveting for me to go like
00:43:03
there's me it's almost like watching that beatles thing where you go there's something I didn't know about and
00:43:08
they're filming and it just a little sliver of time in one of my favorite
00:43:14
things in the world and just doing it and just my daily the boring Daily Grind
00:43:19
of that place and you go so [ __ ] cool well for both of you it's like all that stuff must be like these random home
00:43:25
movies that are in your attic but meanwhile like 20 million people have seen them and they dress rehearsal and
00:43:32
stuff we never saw dress on video where we are they have it somewhere because now they're showing clips from M Alam
00:43:38
dress and they're showing this they have a million things backstage and some of the mystery's gone but uh it was fun to
00:43:43
just run around backstage there's no security there's no nothing there's no there's people in the hall drunk and
00:43:49
friends of friends that are there and Phil Hartman's going move the [ __ ] out of the way because he's got 90 seconds
00:43:55
to get to his quick changing back and people drink hey man like I'm at the show but now I think they've got a
00:44:01
little more dialed in but that was part of the fun of it I it's a you know it's there's a surreality to it I always tell
00:44:07
people it's a little bit like going back to your high school on a Sunday afternoon when no one's around and just
00:44:13
walking around the halls whatever that feeling is so when I'm there in the 17th floor and I be walking along and I'll
00:44:20
see me and Phil in a sketch or picture David it's it's it's heady stuff because
00:44:26
experientially it's it is the most intense part of one's life or or right up there you know yeah because of the
00:44:33
liveness of it and the legacy of it that's why I think of cast members who joined this year you know I was lucky
00:44:40
but I had Eddie and Billy Crystal Martin Short that those guys and then also the original cast which is like Mount
00:44:46
Rushmore for all of us you know um but when you when you showed up the show was in trouble cuz it felt like that
00:44:54
transition year after theill Crystal uh that Martin Short and Christopher Guest that year and then
00:45:00
Lauren came back he had this young cast and only a couple of them ended up staying I think for the second year but
00:45:07
then you showed up and Hartman showed up and all of a sudden the show was the show was amazing again um but could you
00:45:14
feel like did it feel like that was a make or break year now I feel like I'm interviewing you did that feel like a make or break year for the for the cast
00:45:21
or did you not even sense that well unless I've misremembered this but it D on M who was Lauren's Lieutenant
00:45:27
producer really nice woman I believe her saying I I was told that we had a 10
00:45:32
show commitment um that Bernie shows Bernie brillstein went to Brandon tarov
00:45:39
I think and just said you got to give Lauren one more shot this I remember so I was told this if we don't hit the
00:45:45
ground running they're going to pull the plug at Christmas so uh incredibly nervous
00:45:51
anyway and the first sketch that I did Madonna came on from my first show and apologize for the 85 season that was our
00:45:59
cold open yeah and then I'm in a sketch with Jan Hooks and Phil and
00:46:04
myself and I I just found out recently I was talking to Robert Smigel and and J Jim Downey Jim Downey and they just said
00:46:12
that the audience felt safe with us and at that moment because you don't want
00:46:17
the audience to feel nervous for you or not quite sure where the jok's going you
00:46:23
know you want to get them relaxed so so uh to come in with them and do that was great and then when David showed up and
00:46:30
Chris Rock Chris Farley Sandler I felt like in those years we were Peak Peak
00:46:36
all cylinders for for us because we had right the bad the bad boys kicking ass
00:46:42
and then we also still had Phil and John litz for a year and Dennis and stuff so that was I mean that was that was the
00:46:49
second peak of the show I feel like the show is in danger in my lifetime three times the first was
00:46:57
after the original cast left that Jean Dominion year that you talked about a little with Piscopo but um it really
00:47:03
felt like the if Eddie if Eddie isn't there the show gets canceled like that's just was that the Robert Downey Anthony
00:47:08
mcal that was that was the next one was the the uh so that was season
00:47:15
six they had Eddie P Eddie they end up keeping but if they don't have Eddie I think the show gets cancelled yeah I
00:47:21
think if the Dana Phil Hartman that first season doesn't work I think the show gets cancelled and it really feels
00:47:28
like if if the will frell That season if frell's not on the show and
00:47:33
the new blood and the people they kept but then the new people they brought in if that season didn't work I do wonder
00:47:39
if they would have canceled it that year because that I remember that that was back in the day when those magazine profiles if it was the right kind of hit
00:47:46
piece really felt like incredibly damaging and that I remember reading that New York Magazine piece and being
00:47:51
like Oh my God the show's going to get cancelled and then that first episode with will he showed showed up he did get
00:47:56
off the shed he did the the phone thing with Mar Hemingway and it was just like
00:48:01
oh we're good this this guy's amazing the show's gonna be good again um but
00:48:06
after that I never felt like SN was in danger again after that where do you feel what how now that you are sort of
00:48:14
an expert what do you feel about this season and this cast and the watch as much anymore or no
00:48:22
I watch uh I still watch I still monitor it um I I think they've made the mistake
00:48:29
the last decade of too many cast members which I think you can always Trace when the show is struggling yeah it's when
00:48:36
the show is always humming it's always smaller cast members I've talked about a
00:48:41
bunch of people about this who've worked on the cast like it's like a basketball team if you if you guys watch basketball
00:48:48
like I do if you're playing 14 players and everybody's playing you know
00:48:53
12 to 18 minutes a game Guess What the team's going to suck but if you're put if you figure out who like your seven or
00:48:59
eight are and you ride those seven or eight the team's going to be really good and I always felt like SNL at its best
00:49:06
always had the eight or nine I I went to Lauren's office like 10 years ago and I got to do a podcast with him which was
00:49:12
amazing I mean it was like honestly one of the highlights of my career and I was giving him my basketball Theory and his
00:49:18
answer was yeah but the new cast members that's kind of like the draft and you it
00:49:25
takes so a couple years for the newcast members SE legs yeah and you got to have
00:49:31
those guys ready and that's why we have the deeper cast I get it but I still feel like it should be eight or nine Max
00:49:37
I would have been tough on me I just I happen to be in like four things on the on my first episode I didn't even know
00:49:44
what I was doing but it it's sink or swim if you're slow motion it's kind of
00:49:49
like if you don't like when when an NBA player gets traded and he and then he
00:49:55
comes with with a new team with a new system and he gets into his rhythm he's fits with the system all of a sudden
00:50:00
he's scoring 20 points he's a different basketball player but if you coming off the bench constantly and the offense
00:50:05
isn't running through you the same thing with SNL if you can't get your reps in and get rid of the fear not all of us
00:50:12
are Eddie Murphy who I thought was a a savant you know at 19 but Mo even will far well everybody gets better the more
00:50:19
they're out there and then the audience also discovers you gets comfortable with you so I I it's it's pick your poison I
00:50:27
don't think you know I Lauren you know it's his show he's 50 years he he has a method to what everything he thinks of
00:50:33
everything so I guess this is um how it how it works you get to be on the show
00:50:38
but you may have we we didn't have anyone not in the show when I was there was seven cast members right so
00:50:45
everybody was in every show but now a lot of times oh I wasn't in it for two weeks it's like Survivor yeah because
00:50:50
there's people that just if you don't make it and then and then they sometimes add but don't subtract act so now you
00:50:57
add this person cuz you got to cover like a leading man type you know they there's sometimes there's types I never
00:51:02
got that back then but sometimes you need to fill a Phil Hartman role sometimes you need to fill this kind of
00:51:07
guy and then um if you don't do or just adding now suddenly it's just too many
00:51:13
to keep track of it's just hard for them they go bananas but then if they leave where do you go I remember I was going
00:51:19
to leave a year earlier and then they're like what do we have lined up cuz it's always easier to get work when you're on
00:51:24
SNL and then right had a movie almost every summer and then uh you leave and luckily got on
00:51:31
just shoot me but that that that doesn't always happens so what do you do when you go and so you just sometimes just stick it out and there's people there
00:51:38
sticking out longer than we used to I stayed six years and that was considered a hair long um Sandler uh Farley Rock
00:51:47
was three Sandler Farley were four five no five so I stayed one year too long and I was like the [ __ ] guy that went
00:51:53
to college that came back to high school cuz it was Will and Sher and I was like I like them but I didn't I immediately
00:51:59
felt like oh no all my guys are gone and I don't know what to do with this I don't and so I just said one Lauren goes
00:52:06
stay and you can do one segment a week do whatever you want and I didn't do sketches I just did one segment a week
00:52:11
of whatever I wanted and that was like my own kind of update so that was where the Terry Hatcher thing was sea Penn
00:52:17
gave me a tattoo I thought that really worked yeah I it was fun it's fun but you have one swing to get it right I
00:52:23
went to the World Series did a field piece to the Braves with Chipper Jones and some people so you know some of
00:52:28
those came out pretty funny but after that I said now I think it's time to
00:52:33
Boogie and uh and then I forgot where this question started well I mean part of it is about how you build the cast
00:52:40
right and yeah everyone says the same thing you have to have that one glue person you know and then you could argue
00:52:47
about who the greatest glue person was it's probably Phil Phil yeah AIDS in there I think there
00:52:55
there was a moment where sudakis and hater together were like just literally covering every possible glue thing you
00:53:02
would ever want and Fred armers too right those three it's always amazing
00:53:08
that we get these new Peaks after will frell and then um we asked um Keenan
00:53:14
Thompson who's your MVP or whatever and he said the women of the last 20 years
00:53:21
and I do think there were complaints about misogyny in terms of casting and nor nor dun had some complaints about it
00:53:29
um and boy starting with I don't know Sher o Terry through Tina and I I'll miss all the name Maya and and Amy po
00:53:38
you know it's just Kristen and then and then Kate yeah and um yeah but you know what I I never thought that was totally
00:53:45
fair because I always felt like Jan Hooks was one of the best cast members of that entire generation ever and she
00:53:51
and they're always like oh it wasn't until this when and it was like man I I thought like it's taking it away from
00:53:57
her a little bit because she was I thought I I mean to to me she's in the running of one of the best female cast
00:54:03
members in the history of the show yeah and I think she's in the top five yeah a male C you would women were not running
00:54:10
for president I mean Sarah Palin came on the scene and there was Tina Fay meeting
00:54:15
that in the era I was in it was mostly men politically there were other figures
00:54:22
but so that sort of evolved as well obviously Hillary became a big a big thing but um yeah Jan Jan Hooks I don't
00:54:30
know if I wouldn't call her underrated because everybody knows but if you really take a deep dive into into her
00:54:36
work she was one of those what can't she do you
00:54:44
[Music] know Bill who's your who's your starting five if you took out the original casks
00:54:50
that's that's they're too good they don't count and take us out yeah take us out
00:54:55
he's like you don't have to worry about that yeah Dana's got a real M Rush he's got a
00:55:02
legitimate Mount Rush Mar he got I really have to say I'll give it to Dana
00:55:07
uh okay take Dana out I get people who think I um I'm just I'm an impressionist
00:55:14
like Rich Little when I meet him at airports and stuff you did the best impressionist and I go well but what
00:55:19
about church lady in G and they go oh that's kind of flattering okay go
00:55:25
ahead I think uh I think Hartman and Eddie and um frell
00:55:33
yeah just all the all the different stuff they could do they just had it like it's almost
00:55:40
like instead of just naming five it's almost like who can't be left out and I
00:55:45
think you have to mention those three and you have to mention Dana um you have to mention
00:55:51
Dana and if you're if you're pulling the original if you're if you're saying that's off limits that's tough for me
00:55:57
because I think gildo was the best female cast member they ever had and it's not a popular opinion because it
00:56:03
was 100 million years ago and people barely remember it but man if you go back and you look at all the stuff she
00:56:08
did she was so good so talented so famous that she had her own Broadway
00:56:13
show like how many cast members in the history of SNL could be like you're so good at this we're going to have a show
00:56:20
called Guild the live and you're going to do all your characters it's like impossible I'm not going to fight Young Gilda yeah I mean I mean all these girls
00:56:28
the women today would probably be like they looked up to Gilda I'm sure like we looked up to different I looked up to
00:56:35
Gilda too I mean I would watch her and I didn't realize how hard what she was doing was I would see characters and just think that was the people and then
00:56:42
later go oh they're doing different I don't know what's going on you know I actually thought the last 20 years I
00:56:47
thought Maya Rudolph was the was the my favorite female cast member um I thought
00:56:53
she could do the most I thought I just thought she was incredibly talented I know she's she has like four or five
00:56:58
kids like I like she's definitely gone the family Direction a little bit but oh yeah I think she was like I I just
00:57:05
thought like she was one of those she could literally do anything it's almost like you could make three three or four
00:57:10
packs for people like just may you could do top 20 you could do top and then and
00:57:15
then you have armson and sedus and and Bill hater maybe the best ever you know so it's it's it's just a it's a fun game
00:57:22
it's a way to celebrate the show for me I thought about Gilda is the Charisma and the likability was was at the the
00:57:30
highest I'd ever seen of any cast member I mean there was adorability thing about
00:57:36
her she's playing a little girl on a bed it's an in just herself she's so committed just there was just this uh
00:57:44
kind of other level of of likability or adorability whatever quotient you want to call it who do you have as your
00:57:50
number one I maybe you're too close to this and can't answer but number one weekend update well I have to uh bifurcate them
00:57:59
in a way like yeah like Chevy was the original and so when I'm watching that
00:58:04
show um he was just no wonder he he's a movie star you know he's like he such a
00:58:10
good vibe to watch Chevy yeah everything was funny everything was exciting it was fun to watch Dennis Dennis did six years
00:58:16
solo that's why I don't you know when you had Tina and and Jimmy Fallon stuff it's is a different kind of idea I do
00:58:23
think the current two uh Michael and Colin have a great chemistry they're
00:58:28
they're getting even better and looser they're tricking each other so I think they're really As Good As It Gets but
00:58:36
for a solo you know night after night I've never been around and David would
00:58:41
you know Dennis is just such a brilliant joke writer um and he's a
00:58:47
machine but so I would put him up there as the solo I mean Norm Norm only did
00:58:52
two years you know it's different right two years Norm also had a a thing you
00:58:59
couldn't take your eyes off of him you know when he was doing update that smile the dimples I mean he was like he looked
00:59:05
like a movie star he never played into it but he looked like a full-blown movie star especially in that era and then the
00:59:12
the turns that his jokes would take I don't what do you call it David that style of his like OJ's not doing too
00:59:20
well because he kills people or whatever it was you know paes yeah pauses and
00:59:26
like this really bold turn so he's it's fun to talk Jackson says he'll never get
00:59:32
married mostly because he's gay yeah it's like and then but they let him do
00:59:37
it and then it's just hard to compete with that because that's just in a world
00:59:42
of you weren't cancelling people he would have been cancelled I mean there there's so many things he said and then
00:59:47
he doesn't stand up he was unable I maybe he might unable no no he doesn't
00:59:53
care and and even later in his career he would just do gigs and people come they
00:59:58
know what they're getting so but yeah to can I just talk to that for a second because Norms um he wasn't Stone but he
01:00:06
his eyes were all sparkly and he had a grin on his face I saw him go on The View once with Barbara Walters and
01:00:12
everyone and they're just talking about presidents or something and he gets into a casual thing just soft selling it with
01:00:19
that grin of his yeah the clintons right I mean you know they uh they're good
01:00:24
think I like him but I I think they they kill they killed a guy right you know
01:00:30
they killed too many people that's one problem Barber Walters didn't under didn't know who he was it was just a
01:00:35
comedian getting book what you wait what what are you saying nothing I think you're really great right but so his
01:00:42
soft pedaling he was almost like a country guy out in out the Town Square
01:00:48
or something so you they never landed hard in like a way with Norm that was
01:00:55
also part of his I thought Dennis was the best but at Norm Norm was my favorite
01:01:02
okay I don't know I just felt like I didn't know if everyone was in on Norm I didn't know anything I'm living in
01:01:08
Boston we don't have the internet yet I don't know how popular it is but I just knew like me and my friends we were like
01:01:14
this guy's probably getting fired soon let's just enjoy this for for the 10 to 20 weeks this
01:01:22
is did did he originally fake news or was that someone else did Norm say and
01:01:28
now's the fake new fake I think he did yeah he also he did the note to self
01:01:33
another interesting argument that I people always have the same SNL arguments nobody has the who are the
01:01:39
best five people to just pop next to the Weekend Update guy for four minutes oh for bits combo cuz that was
01:01:47
balushi wait that that was one of the things he didn't get enough credit for when he would come in and he would do
01:01:52
different things but he the guy that got he would do the one where he would just get super mad and end up with the but no
01:01:58
and then he'd go flying off the stage like I feel like he was the first one that was like crazy throwing his body Ed
01:02:05
Eddie was unbelievable Eddie became famous and then Sandler probably hit the hardest of anybody yeah because he could
01:02:12
do the characters he could do the songs like when he did the the first time he did the Hanukkah song like you go back
01:02:18
and watch that clip like people lose their [ __ ] minds like it's like he's Leonard sker bird he's a professional
01:02:25
singer it's unreal along with Jokes which is very rare and he's cute and then uh I remember when he did crazy
01:02:32
spoon head he did all the uh Halloween things he killing yeah and just just commitment I mean Adam has that whatever
01:02:39
whatever he has he's got it you know super super likable charm yeah hater I
01:02:45
think is up there too for just popping on Kate McKinnon was really good at it just coming on playing some crazy
01:02:50
character but it is like its own little skill set because you it's like you're a basketball player just coming in and you
01:02:56
have to make like five threes in two minutes to get out of the game yeah you did it I mean that's how you broke in
01:03:02
right with uh sitting next to I think I was doing like little Hollywood minutes oh that's what that's all that was yeah
01:03:08
I guess I would come in and do those but even if I did anything I talk about going to concerts or whatever you're
01:03:13
sitting on a desk in the dark and you're like and you know it's coming to you which joke and then you slide in and the
01:03:20
Q cards they point and they go like you're up after this one and you're like because you're in the dark and no one's
01:03:26
really looking at you and you slide over and then there's 20 million people like they see you and it even when you walk
01:03:31
by you go I can just run in front of that camera right now right I guess that's a trust isue it is like a rodeo a
01:03:37
rodeo thing because I remember one time you're in you're in you're on deck and you're in the darkness and the show's
01:03:43
all lit up and there's laughs and and I think it was Chris Rock was before me or something so I see his hair his chair
01:03:51
rolls out and he does his thing then I'm in the shoot and it is you have to go from just darkness and crew guys around
01:03:58
you to being on you know so there's there is Dana what about when you do you do a good one and it kills and then you
01:04:04
kind of scoot yourself and then Piscopo uh I mean uh Joe dixo pulls you off or whoever and then and then you're in the
01:04:11
uh dark and you're just walking behind like a gap girl set and no one's even looking at you and you're like your
01:04:16
adrenaline's going but the show's still going over here and you sort of walk back to the underneath to maybe snag a
01:04:23
few compliments from Lauren and the you try to look at some of the audience members and they avoid contact and then
01:04:30
you go back where it's lit by your dressing to change you're like anybody did it go good did it go bad like
01:04:36
another good category is the the Mount Rushmore whatever of people who weren't
01:04:41
even the focal point of the sketch but somehow were still the funniest person in the sketch which is like to me Chris
01:04:46
Farley is number one um oh yeah has to like he's in the Dysfunctional Family
01:04:53
Feud he's just like the loser kid who hars been mean to and he's probably like the
01:04:58
fifth most important but every single thing he does in the thing is hilarious and then at the end he runs out and
01:05:04
starts kicking to the left and right I just saw that the other day I go what a [ __ ] I remember walking at rehearsal I
01:05:11
go you're not really doing that he goes oh yeah you were on the other side you were in the normal family I watch him
01:05:16
yeah we were I think we were the normal family right he Chris was there was so much in intellect behind all that you
01:05:23
know much better than I did David but his rhythms and sounds and moves that he would you know like I mean it just they
01:05:30
were so concise and you could not not laugh like when he would do his kind of fake laugh like he would turn into a hog
01:05:38
you know just around the office you're like this is irresistibly funny but yeah
01:05:43
he he was your eye went to him anything he was in I once did Ross perau riding him like he was a piggy come on piggy
01:05:50
boy let's go piggy boy and I was going Chris is this okay with you you and he goes oh yeah do whatever you want you
01:05:56
know I'm whipping and stuff I know other people get mad like you can't do that to Chris Chris wasad no no do it I'll do
01:06:02
whatever you want I don't care I think it's funny so how would never kill a bit so we're headed for the 50th year yeah
01:06:09
next year I know yeah which I think is really good for your podcast because you
01:06:15
know it's the fact that the show's been around for a half century is what do they do Bill what is long leave who
01:06:21
takes over it's stunning and are I can't even
01:06:26
fathom fathom it 50th um I think I I'm
01:06:31
guessing Lauren's gonna leave and I'm guessing somebody major has to take over the show somebody with real DNA with NC
01:06:40
would approve everyone would have to approve it's I I just feel like it's Tina it's Seth if he wants to do it and
01:06:46
it's got to be somebody on that level who has that kind of chops they're not just be like hey we hired Bob he's been
01:06:51
a huge fan of the show he'll be taking over for Laur Michaels like I I don't see that happening I feel like the
01:06:56
person's got to have DNA yeah we brought them over Hallmark and they they would have to they would be warned ahead of
01:07:01
time that half the time you're miserable I mean it's it's a tough show not every show crushes there was just a lot of
01:07:08
shows in my era where the part's a little grim and didn't really land it that night you know because that's why
01:07:14
there's no other sketch shows because the the ratio of success to failure and a quick hit sketch yeah but I I do think
01:07:22
the fact that it's live they try to take that away in the 90s they said let's make it taped and we got to change the
01:07:28
theme and Lauren to his credit always resisted somehow he knew about branding
01:07:34
before maybe that was become such a thing people talk about stuck with that theme everything's familiar and that's
01:07:41
why we can interview cast members we talked to Mikey day yesterday right he's on today and uh we know everything we
01:07:47
told him that we know the offices you're in we know Lauren's there it's still but Lauren might just stay a few more years
01:07:54
I don't know yeah who knows like the Patriots are going through this now bill bich
01:08:00
just left and they had a new Coach and he's got a new coaching staff and there's been a lot of stories about whoa
01:08:06
things are so different and oh the coach talked to the media today and oh my God
01:08:11
they have this you know they're changing this part of the office and it's GNA be this now and everybody's like because belich was there for 20 plus years yeah
01:08:19
and just any kind of change feels like the most substantial change ever so I can't even imagine with SN if somebody
01:08:25
else came in and was like Hey I thought of an idea we're going to merge two offices and make it one big ey people
01:08:31
like what you can't do that that's it's been that way for 50 years I don't know how you do that the maybe Tina and Seth
01:08:39
could make one Lauren I don't know I mean they they would Lauren is very good politically with the the new regime as
01:08:46
universal whoever is or whoever the head of the network he's really good at doing that and how do you navigate all these
01:08:53
cast members um kind of game of throning each other even even if they love each
01:08:59
other it's still just your friend gets so I don't know it's really hard La knows all the celebrities too so Lauren
01:09:05
can call someone and say maybe Steve Martin would be good in this let's call them and has to be able to be dialed in
01:09:13
the new iteration of the show I don't feel like should be celebrity dependent I would go back to what the roots of the show where and go to cast members and a
01:09:20
guest host but not be celebrity dependent because yeah celebrity and pop culture is part
01:09:26
of the what they should be you know kind I felt that yeah and we talked about it earlier uh yesterday when the long a
01:09:33
while back but yeah when a celebrity would come in and then in my era someone from the cast would do that impression I
01:09:42
just thought it was dispiriting you know um for the cast and we had you so I I do
01:09:48
think this I'm going to say it the secret sauce one of them is is watching a young performer come in male female
01:09:55
watching them trundle along and then become a star you're you're in real time you're experiencing it with them and
01:10:02
that is still the magic elixir of an unknown person being thrown out there
01:10:07
you know and you want those Impressions have some bite and it you want to have some Edge to it and it's just hard if
01:10:14
they're a friend of the show friend of the show and so you got to stay away from some people you can't do this politically Like You could argue they
01:10:20
should be having so much fun with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce right that should be think about if those people existed
01:10:26
in the late 70s or in the late 80s sure that would have been f for the show
01:10:32
every week but now I feel like they'd be a little afraid because oh no she won't want to come back on if we make fun of
01:10:37
her and like the other piece of it is good point why is the show live at this
01:10:43
point if there's no danger that comes with being live because right because the reason the whole reason they had the
01:10:49
show in the first place was this is live anything can happen any line might get cross somebody might swear accidentally
01:10:56
all these crazy things could happen now it's like a safe live which I don't at this point like I don't know why you
01:11:02
just wouldn't tape the show at 8:00 and air it at 11:30 it's not like oh my God what's going to happen I don't do you
01:11:08
feel like anyone feels that 50th maybe uh it would be better I mean when you
01:11:13
can have two takes on something like on a movie you're definitely better some sketches you come off on the wrong foot
01:11:18
and you're like oh my God we came in wrong and it's just not clicking you're like I want to step back and go me just
01:11:23
come in again and then you're like it's too late it's not it's not working and when something uh like when Ross Pros
01:11:31
running mate Adam Admiral Stockdale came out and it was kind of goofy and then
01:11:37
like three days later Phil's doing that I'm doing Pro and we have the car and that was just what the show does best
01:11:44
better than anyone when it happens is the zist is all there and and but now you've got to compete with things like
01:11:51
this everything and then you hit it and it's this relief valve and that's when the show is Magic and I think in the
01:11:58
modern era with all the different people doing different kind of Comedy takes all the time it is more difficult but that's
01:12:04
still when it happens it's it's it's great great well it's gonna be interesting when Shane hosts at the end
01:12:10
of this month you know know so Bill what do you think you know because I think
01:12:16
there's gonna be real danger you know and it's like holy [ __ ] I don't know what's going to happen and that's a show I want to watch live that's more about
01:12:23
him than the show but um you know and I also think he's one of the funniest people working right now so well we
01:12:29
mentioned that when we we talked just casually that time the uh he he's the guy right now you know and uh he his
01:12:36
take it's it's it's just so you you just want to listen to him and going back to
01:12:42
the show and how he how he got fired that's that's an example of a live show
01:12:47
where you want to see it like how is how are they going to handle it the show and how is going to handle it so I'm sure
01:12:55
they're thinking about different things but usually when the show's at its best it's going to go right at it you know
01:13:02
like maybe him and bow Yang will be in a rowboat somewhere I don't know but they usually go right at it right you
01:13:13
know Bill I have a uh don't get mad I have a sports question yeah let's go
01:13:18
don't get mad I know how I know your temper um my temper because people ask
01:13:24
me this I'm kidding he have temper um is football allowed to be rigged I know people say is football rigged but then
01:13:30
they also say It's Entertainment or NBA is that stuff allowed to fudge and twist
01:13:35
because it's an entertainment company instead of just Sports I don't really get that are you
01:13:42
saying could the Super Bowl have been scripted because Kansas City won and they won an overtime and Taylor Swift
01:13:48
and her boyfriend kissed after the game that's part ofish how beneficial that is or even I
01:13:55
thought I saw a thing with Shaquille I've see basketball players sometimes in line saying oh yeah we're told the finals will be this long and who who
01:14:01
wins and Shaq saying when he got drafted David Stern said to him where do you
01:14:07
want to play hot or cold and he said I want to play some more hot and he goes okay and then the day of the draft he
01:14:12
goes it'll be Orlando and then he's saying this and he goes That's a famous story yeah that's so weird I never heard
01:14:18
that story and I go is that so the are the pingpong balls really boun in around
01:14:23
or you know I don't know it it makes me think all this stuff and then the defense is we're an entertainment
01:14:30
company we don't have to play exactly by the rules and you go oh like a movie like we have we have to make it fun to
01:14:37
watch yeah I don't I don't think they can rig the games but I used to write about this all the time I you know it's
01:14:44
same thing like how you guys would do impressions of people I would always play up certain things and have fun with it one of them was that David Stern the
01:14:50
old NBA Commissioner was you know this basically veto corleon and rigging all this stuff and there was always this
01:14:57
thing about when Patrick y went to the Knicks it was the first time they read the loty there were seven envelopes and
01:15:04
he's reaching down and he grabs each one and if you look briefly for like a split
01:15:09
split second it looked like the ncks one had a little bit of a crease on one of the sides ah I felt it then there was a
01:15:16
theory that they had Frozen the envelope so as he's feeling the envelope that was frozen that was the that's great and it
01:15:23
was like you know whatever like they just put it in like a carbon whatever so it was like freezing cold when he
01:15:29
touched it so he knew that was the one but that was always a a recurring bit about him same thing when when Jordan
01:15:36
got suspended or when Jordan retired there was always a thing oh no actually Jordan got suspended for a year the Sha
01:15:43
thing that was always a story um there was stuff they did in the late 90s early
01:15:48
2000s where the perfect team for the league and the ratings always seem to win and that like most famously it was
01:15:56
Philly versus Milwaukee Allen Iverson they're trying to get him into the finals of 2001 playing Milwaukee and
01:16:02
Philly shot like a hundred more free throws than Milwaukee in the series yeah there was the Kings Lakers game which
01:16:08
I'm sure you guys remember 2002 where um if the Kings win game six they win the
01:16:13
series everyone on the Kings fouled out so you see stuff like that I do think
01:16:18
they can kind of nudge the officials to say hey man we don't like how you know
01:16:25
Shaq is being defended when they do this you got to call it and then they start calling it early and the other team's
01:16:30
like wait we were doing that last game that's a foul now yeah um but yeah there's been some fun conspiracy stuff
01:16:36
players that are spend their whole life playing as hard as they can to get with there it's just hard to buy you're going
01:16:41
to tell players not to play hard but then you see like oh you watch all these like which I would never see a lot of
01:16:48
chiefs uh no holding calls and then they just show over and over holding and you go so I mean they the refs can't see
01:16:54
everywhere but sometimes if they want to they can always find a hold somewhere because it's kind of I mean that's the
01:17:00
patates going 19 and0 and the helmet catch or if you watch the helmet catch like four guys are holding for Eli
01:17:07
because he buys like an extra four four seconds and just just holding all over people are just getting mauled and the
01:17:12
refs are like cool and that was the year we had spy gate for the Patriots and you
01:17:17
know the the Commissioner's Office was against them so the Patriots fans have always felt like that game was what's the what's the penalty rate per game
01:17:25
right now because seems like when I watch the NFL there's an incredible play and then I immediately go looking for
01:17:31
the flag po oh flag the best play I've ever seen so I do think if you're going to
01:17:37
rig uh professional sports and you want to kind of nudge it that would be your way to do it without getting caught that
01:17:43
was when when gambling Sports gambling really took off the last 15 years one of the first edges the best gamblers had
01:17:50
was the referee Tendencies yeah and this was an NBA and NFL specifically where
01:17:55
it's like oh this this team they call more penalties and more penalties means
01:18:00
you know this will happen and this the same thing with NBA if somebody's more foul happppy then the over is g to hit
01:18:06
more and now all that stuff's kind of on the internet people know it but when they assign G certain refs to certain
01:18:12
playoff games then people are like oh of course they assign that ref he always calls it for the road team and so that
01:18:19
stuff's out there um I think it's fun some people take it very very seriously well when I'm losing Millions every week
01:18:26
on DraftKings it's how you how you doing the playoffs bade uh in the I do DraftKings but I
01:18:33
also do uh FanDuel I get with some guys and do like uh fantasy or Guillotine
01:18:39
leagues or weird stuff like that just to keep the fun going up until the end and
01:18:44
uh I do okay in those I'm not that great it's just some it's a good time killer I'm in the fantasy league with uh
01:18:51
Jimmy's cousin and John Ham and all those people where it's 11 people in the league but the winner gets to vote
01:18:56
somebody out at the draft the next year which I think is the single best rule so we have to show upud we have to show up
01:19:04
and then the guy who won's like all right uh Dana I'm sorry you're out and
01:19:09
you just have to get your stuff and leave in that we don't see you for a year yeah it's great it's really really
01:19:15
it gets super bitter and you keep going lower and lower with people or do you add a person no it's the same 11 but we
01:19:21
we have 10 people in the league every year plus the guy who got voted out oh so it's even so they get to come back a
01:19:27
year later they can't get voted out but then somebody else gets voted out it has to be even Dana you don't understand I
01:19:35
just I'm gonna ask you guys a question I mean I felt like I felt beat up after I watched the Super Bowl yeah I don't
01:19:41
think I've ever gotten that beat up I'm from Bay Area so I'm a Niner fan but I I like the Chiefs too I'm not fanatical
01:19:48
but I was rooting for them but there was some frustration and penalties and it was a i and the way it ended I was like
01:19:54
ah it wasn't satisfying and if you're a Chiefs fan I guess it was but it was like that new Fifth Quarter I I wasn't
01:20:01
paying attention to that it had never been in the you know in the uh Super Bowl that rules for the overtime you
01:20:09
were confused it was it was one of those things people wrote about it but nobody actually thought it was going to happen
01:20:15
so then when it was happening there was so much strategy to it that none of us had really totally considered and the
01:20:21
Niners ended up choosing to go first but I was saying this week to me it's like
01:20:27
going second was such an advantage because you become the blackjack dealer the other guys going first you know
01:20:33
exactly what they're going to do and then you can decide what you need to do to match whatever they did is the
01:20:39
advantage but I don't think we realized it until we watched it because if you get a touchdown you're not just going
01:20:45
for two probably because you could win with a touchdown with an extra point the chief said that they said if they were
01:20:50
scoring they were getting two they they're they were yeah yeah yeah so I told my wife it
01:20:56
was over I said oh no Mahomes got the ball they're going to do four downs they moved back so [ __ ] easily when they
01:21:01
came out I was like oh there going to be prevent defense just and then it was just so predictable yeah when one team
01:21:08
is playing three Downs Punt and or they did get the field goal and the other team is going to go four mentally uh to
01:21:15
move the ball so well and then there's this inevitability with him which I think all the best athletes have where
01:21:22
when the is open like that you're like oh here we go do you think he could host SNL Patrick Mahomes he's kind of he's
01:21:29
kind of quirky I don't you know I think I could H it you know we would did the game we thought we
01:21:36
were doing came a little stutter that was pretty good oh I like that oh I'm sure everybody does it on
01:21:43
you know no that was I haven't heard a lot of momes that was good I haven't It's s it's like PE
01:21:50
Herman yeah about my voice I'm doing Bobcat gold but that's
01:21:56
okay bobat gold as Pat mobs as Pat but yeah he's a supernatural Talent a word I
01:22:03
like to use a lot you know for sure well I you asked me about athlete host I thought Kelsey was was actually really
01:22:10
good last year or two years ago whenever he did it I thought he was solid um I
01:22:15
think he be an actor he's with CAA there's a master plan I I I love it it's just to make him into an international
01:22:22
movie star and he probably has the the looks and the Charisma to do that it's just kind of the rock did it and was
01:22:29
open about it you know I'm ready for action Stars again I I feel like we're in such a weird spot like the the era I
01:22:36
grew up with where we had Arnold and we had Sly we had then vanam showed up and
01:22:42
Seagal and all these dudes and we just there was a new one every year and we had like this embarrassment of riches
01:22:48
Carl Weathers had a chance yeah um had a chance and now it's like it's all these
01:22:53
Jason STM guys they know how to do this like choreograph Kung Fu stuff and I don't know I miss the days of just like
01:22:59
these big dudes that we can kind of make fun of on a show like SNL I like I
01:23:05
thought he was great I thought first five were great oh yeah he's great I was
01:23:10
a legendary bad anybody seen Rick Richie in the pool hall scene one of the great scenes in movies anybody seen Richi
01:23:19
anybody he yeah he always played Italian dudes he played like Nico Paretti and people like that even though I didn't
01:23:26
know what that meant when I was a kid I just kept going you better kick his [ __ ] ass to and there's like eight guys and he walks in and starts being a
01:23:33
dick and I go once in my life I just want to be this guy just go up to a bunch of guys that are looking at me and go the [ __ ] are you looking at just for
01:23:39
once and then beat the [ __ ] out of all he was he was Steven Seagal when he when he host the show as far as just this
01:23:45
alpha male presence and stuff and talking about how he could choke anyone out or beat anyone up just yeah uh he
01:23:52
was a he he was the legendary reviled host though from your generation right wasn't he the least favorite you know
01:23:59
there's others I wouldn't mention I I I kind of I liked him um I did
01:24:05
to it's hard to act tough when you ask for a scrunchie cuz he's got I found him fascinating you'd go by the dressing
01:24:12
room during the week and you'd hear a woman in a state of pleasure it was just really interesting you know oh my God
01:24:18
what a lover that guy was I guess so but uh he was just fun to talk to what a
01:24:24
trip but he you know he was a little offended by Hansen fron we had to rewrite it because he thought we were
01:24:29
making fun of him in the read through and then we rewrote it so that you could beat up Arnold you're the only one who
01:24:35
could beat up Arnold so but I like the guy I don't know I like there's worse
01:24:41
host but you can't really name everybody it's just too rude to name them no one's going to do that you know yeah that
01:24:46
becomes aggregated it's like the Daily Mail David Spade said so and so for the
01:24:51
rest of your life yeah but Marcy Klein told us that she was the Wrangler of host over the years and producer hi
01:24:57
Marcy and she Lauren would say uh so and so was in their dressing room they're not coming out so she would have to go
01:25:04
in there and they'd be crying and the show's on in four minutes or or or just having a panic attack uh and so yeah you
01:25:13
kind of have some empathy for the host they're doing something that's impossible you know yeah you know one of
01:25:19
the things CU I loved all the books like I read there's this great book that came out I'm going to say mid 80s though it's
01:25:25
called I think live from Saturday night or something like that but it's about the first 10 years of the show and and
01:25:31
it was one of my favorite books and then the oral histories came out with Jim Miller and shales and a bunch of other stuff but you'd read the history of the
01:25:38
show and these things that happen never expecting YouTube's coming and all these other things where you could actually
01:25:44
just go back and watch so there was always that legendary story of balushi when he was so [ __ ] up he couldn't go
01:25:51
you know basically couldn't it start it was that I think when Kate Jackson hosted and they were like it's 50/50
01:25:56
whether he he he could die in the air if you put him on Lauren and Lauren's like I'll take those chances and puts them on
01:26:02
and he's in the first sketch so I've always read that story and then you watch the clip and it's like Belushi
01:26:09
seems fine like he's a little he's a tiny bit green but it's it doesn't seem like he's gonna die during the SK sounds
01:26:14
better yeah yeah so sometimes the video doesn't match up whatever the uh the story yeah yeah Dana and we got a we got
01:26:22
to uh wrap up Bill but anything else you have something good for Bill any it can be Sports it doesn't have to be it can
01:26:28
be anything well I love sport well you know I'm a big uh like a lot of people now but I I was with the Warriors
01:26:35
mentally with Nate Thurman and Rick Barry oh look at you and uh so I've
01:26:40
always been a fan of the Warriors and of course this era with Steph is is amazing I guess the rumor today they're trying
01:26:46
to get which they're not going to get LeBron are they yeah it it didn't happen trade deadline was last week and and
01:26:53
then it mysteriously got leaked today that the Warriors tried to trade for LeBron and the Lakers said no and LeBron
01:26:59
didn't want to go there so obviously the Lakers are leaking this because the Warriors are playing better and they
01:27:05
have good chemistry and it's like oh actually they were trying to trade a bunch of you for LeBron get in their
01:27:10
heads yeah so it it felt a little I thought a little diabolical get bronny yeah oh they were trying to get LeBron
01:27:17
but we said no it's like all right I'm maybe don't you have to get the kid to get bronny to get I mean get Bron need
01:27:22
to get LeBron well the the kids's had a rough freshman year in college yeah so I'm not I'm not sure he's hopping into
01:27:29
the draft yeah it's a tough one he's like Five Points a game at USC so okay this
01:27:34
is my last question because I know you're a movie fanatic as well because you do the re rewatches um I I don't
01:27:40
like forget top 10 whatever movies that you can revisit throughout your life oh
01:27:47
yeah so like you know I see The Godfather every year pretty much you know there's there's ones that you just
01:27:53
see a lot of you know so for me heat was the movie that started the rewatchables
01:27:58
cuz we did on my podcast we just it was the 20th anniversary and me and my friend Chris Ryan were just like let's
01:28:04
just do a podcast about heat [ __ ] it people loved it so we created the rewatchables what do you want to do that
01:28:11
was the first time Pino went full scream which is amazing Pino is crazy in that
01:28:16
Pacino has explained it after that he's playing the character like the guys on cocaine yeah and it's like yeah we know
01:28:23
we saw heat we we we know that's what you're doing she's like she's got a great
01:28:31
ass but he heat up there same time um go
01:28:36
ahead and then uh Boogie kns the two Godfathers are on all the time now because I think Showtime has just
01:28:42
stripped all their Library except for the Godfathers and they're on constantly and I'm amazing I just can feel like I
01:28:48
can dive in at any time to those sha shank's a good one fiction I mean there's certain ones that
01:28:55
just any science fiction in there not for me personally but for a lot of
01:29:00
people I mean there's a ton of comedies I mean you know Tommy Boy I'm not just saying this because Spade's on this but
01:29:05
Tommy Boy has become the the good thing about especially when you get older and you have young kids and you can start
01:29:11
showing them the comedies it's got to be one of the first six or seven because I
01:29:17
don't know how old a kid has to be to understand Farley was one of the funniest people of all time and how
01:29:22
funny that movie is but it's probably like age4 where you can like fat guy in a
01:29:28
little coat it might even be ag3 but you can just indoctrinate them yeah in that
01:29:33
so there you know there's there's a bunch of the rewatchable like what about me and the window watching the girl the
01:29:39
pool are were you watching that part maybe like fast is that cut out of I think that's cut out on TV so there's
01:29:45
even Jo there's stuff that's cut out I and I never know it and then I go so there's people that are seeing these
01:29:50
movies with a couple of parts missing because it's so rough for TV and I'm like they don't even know those extra
01:29:56
part I don't know that's a bummer that's one of the cool things now is like with YouTube and all these different places
01:30:01
like you know Dana show from the mid90s like I don't know 20 of those
01:30:07
sketches are on YouTube now that was one of those things where if you love that show and then it gets cancelled and it's
01:30:14
gone there's no unless you taped it on your on your VHS it's gone it's history
01:30:19
yeah and now kind of all that stuff has a second life like shows like Freaks and Geeks yeah you can dive in that Larry
01:30:25
Sanders which Shandling was always like famously never wanted it on DVD was
01:30:30
always like very prickly about it and now like every episode's on the max app you know so you can it's great nothing
01:30:36
goes away now we're all in all cyber bits next to we're next to Godfather
01:30:41
next to everything else just all there uh could airplane be made today yeah I
01:30:48
think the the problematic ones Animal House yeah yeah um if you're talking
01:30:53
about is this movie cancelled now which we talk about a lot on the rewatchables like Animal House Revenge of the Nerds
01:31:01
um porkys I don't know with women yeah yeah first time how you expl yeah I
01:31:07
don't even how you explain it now much less than 83 Fast Times at Ridgemont High yeah that but that's a good movie
01:31:14
though like at least it's well written sea Penn is so good in that yeah um but yeah some of the some of the 70s 80s I
01:31:21
think airplanes fine though I just think a really silly movie right now because the country is in such a bad mood if
01:31:27
that's just joke per minute almost just physical gags would be a nice look uh
01:31:32
it's weird the the airplane Naked Gun type of movie which I was I mean that's what we all grew up with it just kind of
01:31:39
is done and then they would do the top secret and they would do the um oh yeah the Ripoff versions of of those kind of
01:31:45
movies but it was like 20 years of them then they made the scary movie franchise now nobody does any of those yeah yeah
01:31:52
never know I don't know that's my final question thank you Bill Bill it's been a
01:31:57
pleasure I awesome you hanging out with us this was really fun I forgot I was on
01:32:02
a podcast or even even hosting a podcast so thank you this was uh fantastic I
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