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we have uh the Great and Powerful Oz on
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the show uh more Michael the became the
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unintentional star of the podcast
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because he's the Touchstone for all the
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Saturday Night Live people is Lauren
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Michaels the common denominator the yeah
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the touchdown the common denominator the
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touchtonator the thing that everyone
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talks about a lot that's more unwieldily
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than the Touchstone but we are thrilled
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to get him and um
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it uh he's our most commonly asked
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guest when will you have Lauren when
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will you have Lauren and he was very uh
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cool to do this because he doesn't do a
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lot of stuff and he doesn't like to be
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bothered and uh I wouldn't either you
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got he's got a lot going on yeah I took
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a chance I called him up at home and I
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said Lauren hi this is Dana we'd love
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you to come on the talk on our podcast
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and he goes I don't know who this is but
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uh no I don't know so I can't even no he
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was great so he comes in and he came to
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the house and did it and uh you know it
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really reminded me of being back at us
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now because me you him it's like sitting
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at read through or sitting in a meeting
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and you have that reverence form and uh
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you want to make him laugh he's like a
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father figure in a weird way you know
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a lot of pretty much everything I've had
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is based on SNL and him keep me on there
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so he's he's very interesting guy to
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talk to he's as smart as they come and I
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don't know I I probably should have
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brought up my Lauren impression but I've
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talked to him about it off Mike uh
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before at a restaurant how I then I got
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him at you know in 86 when he was in
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during the uh trying to pick the show I
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still have no [ __ ] First Act and that
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was the first time I got his rhythm and
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then we talk about laurenisms on the
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show you know you never leave a hit and
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he he's a brilliant guy I mean he really
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uh is fun to listen to you know it's a
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funny one I can't see who it was but
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someone we know did a movie and uh he
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was a pretty big star and
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and it opened very poorly and I was in a
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limo with Lauren and I go uh do you
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think he'll get another movie
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and he goes well not every Studio wants
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to lose 30 million and work with an
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[ __ ] some do
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not all of them well that's kind of his
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humor yeah that's exactly a good Lauren
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this is this is what Lauren would say
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his sense of humor so we're we're at the
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meeting and it's the last show and you
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go oh this is our last show we have a
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two-week break so it'd be like really
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really nice if the show was really good
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instead of a bad show you know I would
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do this one take a dive tonight we have
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we're being reviewed
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so you know he's a just a fascinating
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character we got to sit with him for for
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a long time and he proved to be very
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fascinating everything and I really said
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we hung up hey we didn't talk over keep
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talking okay Dana
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we didn't even so we didn't we
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referenced for not talking over the
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guests because uh he's a great
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Storyteller and uh we get into a lot of
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things we get into the current cast and
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and and his emotional relationship with
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cast members and how long he has been
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there 50th Anniversary never happened
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before in the history of Television a
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guy producing a show up for a half
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century
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so it's an amazing you were incredible
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in this interview David I have to say
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Dana you really sparkled
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all right here he is our uh main man
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main man Lauren Michaels
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[Music]
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Conan's got some money coming in um we
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first of all want to thank you for
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coming into your uh responsible for
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pretty much everything in my life yes in
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the uh course we have to embarrass you
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and thank you we had no plan for this
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podcast this meeting this won't be in
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any way no we'll be we'll come it's not
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used or aired but you are a surprise and
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Delight everyone who was on the podcast
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started talking and saying nice things
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about you how much they love you so we
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just thought well can we get him to come
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on so here we are well I I haven't done
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anything else
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that's the amazing part yeah but as I
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said I have a background of radio
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chips
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getting snacks what will make the least
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noise because can we open the chips and
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make a lot of noise and then not as much
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noise do you like flaming hot I don't
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know I'm just reaching for you yes
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[Music]
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don't worry about the noise and we'll um
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I'm sorry
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and there's protein bars if you're stuck
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so if you're really stuck just grab
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those those are not too I'll just talk
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to Dana for a while are you staying at
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the Beverly Hills Hotel
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uh and the Margarita Road emergency
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there because they're doing the show Bob
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because oh okay
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yeah touchstones one is the Beverly
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Hills Hotel which you're a huge fan of
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in Aspen you stay at the what Aspen was
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more houses okay
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St Barts is another touchdown yeah and
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of course and my grandson I remember
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when I'm now Maine
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oh you did finally pull the trigger
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Maine Maine
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I wasn't cc'd on that so Maine I'll show
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you pictures that's pretty far out there
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I don't think you can't control them we
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talked about that last time as you get a
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little older you're pretty young you
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want to get into the country and you
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want to get in wide open spaces and you
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want to get to the landscape of your
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childhood yes and this is as close to
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Canada as you can get without going to
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Canada
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oh is that what it is nice okay sort of
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yeah you're Canadian so and what part of
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Canada just real quick uh Toronto what
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part is this near or what part but you
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were sort of Toronto am I right yeah I
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told you Dana
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but I I left in 1972.
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it's changed yes and is was the reason
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we did Tommy Boy in Toronto because of
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that or was it a tax no I think that was
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Paramount was just they would have done
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it in Budapest if it was cheaper yeah
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yeah that's usually where it moves what
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was the cost of Tommy Boy versus Wayne's
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World one I just want to know about we
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were 13-5 or something yeah yeah well
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Wayne's World 35 days of filming and
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which film is your personal favorite
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I think we're more like 25 oh it could
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have been it seemed like 35 million no
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no no 25 days of shooting oh yeah very
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quick one take Penelope spheris towards
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the end
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uh when Howard Howard Koch uh heart card
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was uh they were doing the board and and
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uh
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Paramount person that I was
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uh who's giving us directions and you
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know if you can make this movie for 12-5
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I'll leave you alone and that was sort
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of the whole idea of it and then we had
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an extra day or two and at one point the
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Rob Lowe character was gonna have Dennis
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Hopper as a father
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and uh so there was a dynamic between
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the two of them which would play off in
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the sense of the Counterpoint
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and then they said you have to
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don't have the extra two days so oh that
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went away use Mike Barro's phrase We
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smooshed it uh into one character and
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that was Rob
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oh okay he was great Kurt Fuller that
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was ended up ended up being lightning in
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a bottle I only saw the previews and I
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remember been told before where the
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Paramount guy came back we did the
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previews Mike and I are possessed while
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they're watching ourselves we're kind of
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depressed it's got Ghostbusters numbers
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let's eat right that's what is that
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right we were in the restaurant we were
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okay because I was older
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um
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we did for sentimental reasons a preview
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in Wayne New Jersey because it had I
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think that's where it was yeah and then
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we went to a restaurant that was
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happening in SoHo which had a tin roof
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and uh everybody was ordering Mike was
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in complete depression because it wasn't
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a movie he thought he wanted you know
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what it was all that and he said it got
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an 86 let's eat 86. okay
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for those of you at home is higher than
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80. there's two boxes so it means yeah
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two boxes yes and also that it added up
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to that it could be 88 it could be 91
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but it was something where he thought
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why would you want to keep talking oh we
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got like we won yeah
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and uh that was sort of it took me like
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a while to get used to it and then he
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went into the editing room and and uh
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but it was all there it was all there in
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that first cut and part of it was just
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how fast it moved and the exuberance of
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it and
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as I say most people in America when
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they're when they're choosing
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any kind of entertainment the phrase
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looks like fun is the most
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and I've figured out for myself later
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why so popular I thought the two
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so-called losers in town they dropped
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AMC Pacers parents are having way more
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fun yeah than anyone in the town so
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that's like who wouldn't want to live in
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that world Tommy Boy I remember you took
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me to Chili's after and um
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it wasn't quite Tommy boys paid for 35
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million no zombie boys probably around
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the same like same thing well it was
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always from the studio was always you
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know these movies have to be made for a
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prize you know 15 20 million dollars is
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a lot of money yeah yeah and then you go
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well we can do this for 20. no no I said
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15 to 20. we're gonna aim for for 15 but
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we may end up at 20. but
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um but once that happened you were left
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alone I think because nobody considered
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it important which was a big plus yeah
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you know and I could watch Tommy Boy and
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be really comfortable because I'm not
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wearing are seeing myself yeah and just
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thought it was the start of David's film
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career but for Chris it feels to me like
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it captured Chris completely yeah yeah
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like his physical comedies like about
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the sentimental side which was kind of
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him fighting for the walk through the
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factory and the scene in the boat and
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the bagpipes yes that was great it's
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like Three Amigos it just gets shinier
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and brighter as Paul and also they're
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meant to be fun yeah do you know what I
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mean and everyone I think when somebody
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asked me
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in an interview about Waynesboro what
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were you aiming for
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and I said you know uh really a
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confection you know because I said uh
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in a Marx Brothers movie no one cares
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for the Fredonia won the war you know
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it's gonna go it's it's gonna go 80 90
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minutes it's gonna be as funny as it can
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be and then it's gonna good night and uh
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and everybody's happy and so the idea
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that you're going to be tied to a plot
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and have to stick with scenes that
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didn't work because they're going to
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tell the story as opposed to
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you know Wayne's World's board or has
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show boy lose the show appointments
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Tommy Boy we always say like if you went
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and pitched a movie of two guys selling
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brake pads in Ohio yeah we got to do
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this of course it just really I think it
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was Lauren saying uh these two are kind
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of funny around the office and I think
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he told the Turners Bonnie and Terry
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Turner said can you write something
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about that and it was
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around the office and then said if you
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can and they did a good job of doing
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that and then you kind of take a moment
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or two in Coneheads too yeah yeah which
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had already established yeah and Mike
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despite the best efforts of you know
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Mike and Dana was in Wayne's World and
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uh we had a bit we had a bit of a
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competition I guess that's what Paul
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would say you heard cheers of the
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audience and then yeah
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but we've lived long enough to be very
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good friends and love each other
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[Music]
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the one thing I thought I of my notes to
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ask you why did you cast me
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what was originally at the show yeah on
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SNL because there was no Garth there was
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only way but I mean why did you cast me
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on SNL
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that was a huge spot you know and then
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you took me and you didn't take a lot of
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brilliant people so Jim Carrey I'm very
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grateful for it but I didn't see Jim
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Carrey
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uh of Frankie Davis oh there's someone
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else from somebody else they said it's
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too big for you yeah I mean I mean
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looking back because you make the
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decision well I think you did cast it I
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don't know if like a situation comedy
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but like it was different lovetts was a
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flavor Phil was a role and some I fit in
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there and you rolled the dice and I'm
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ever grateful for it but it seems at the
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time I did not have a lot of confidence
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I didn't know what was going to happen
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you know well I think Lovitz was there
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from the year before yeah
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it's a cruel thing you've burnt the cast
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yes exactly everyone's got burned up in
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a fire I think that was Frank and then
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as long as I started to skim that sketch
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I didn't really
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yeah yeah but um I sort of knew uh you'd
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fit
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from thank God uh what was the name of
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the club you saw it yeah for people
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don't know but now I'm here with Lauren
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yeah I had auditioned other times they
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said you were coming around I didn't
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want to do at the comedy store and then
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Rosie O'Donnell was there I got 40
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minutes yeah I'm waiting to go on first
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of all I'm terrified right because it's
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a dream like everyone else you come
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through the door there he is then
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Brandon tarikov the head of the network
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tartar sauce and then I'm like oh [ __ ]
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I'm so nervous and then share and they
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sat down in the club
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that was probably my only night with the
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children but I know but we were
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somewhere and they I think sure said
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where you're going and I said well I'm
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going to go see somebody I think is good
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club oh I'll come and then Brandon went
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well I want to go too or he was first I
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don't remember the order but yeah uh and
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they all laughed uh but that wasn't the
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deciding factor it was just for me you
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had uh clear I mean you were funny and
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you could never much anytime you talk
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about funny for longer than a minute
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you're not funny it's not good it's
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still Whimsical that I found myself to
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that place at that time no and also I'd
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never been there before probably since
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and uh as I said I've been with those
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people either but uh I do know Cher I
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guess and but when I run into her she
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says I was there when you were just
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her life was so open yes and and nice
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and uh she just wanted
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everyone everyone to win yeah also if
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Dana's doing
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um told me to jump in but if he's doing
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church lady chopping broccoli things
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that literally in your head you could
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probably just pluck and put right on the
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show it's their first show nothing yeah
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The Whimsy of the Church Lake because it
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was part of the set it was probably five
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minutes of the character and I remember
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okay we'll try it who knew and I worked
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with your ex-wife Rosie Schuster for a
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month you you assigned me to a writer
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she was the one who said Church chat
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because we thought of a talk show yeah
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and I remember bringing the two dresses
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into you one was a little more feminine
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and you just pointed to the one we used
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yeah and then as it turns out it was
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such a great thing for the show because
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I had Phil and Jan coming in and being
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brilliant and or Sigourney Weaver the
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first show and Victoria Jackson
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and then Sean Penn and then all these
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religious scandals so again that was a
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freaky lucky thing for for us I think it
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was like very often with the character
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uh you have to find at least my end of
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it is you have to find the context
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uh you know with with Mike and and you
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in Wayne's World it was like
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he had a very specific look in mind
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which was the basement stairs coming
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down Nora played the mother yes
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um hair metal I think what didn't the
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guard thing was I think you should do it
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with Dana and and somehow that evolved
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that was your suggestion yeah for sure
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he and then the moment it worked it was
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like on a ten to one and it played
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played pretty well uh because it was
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fresh and had energy and it looked like
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fun and it was
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um
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and then after that
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Mike had been with the show
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three months four months oh yeah
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something like that or but after that it
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was like why are we in that corner right
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yeah and you're in that corner because
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you designed a set that had the stairs
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you're as far for the audience as
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possible so from that point on I think
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it moved to home base yes and that was
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like yeah we don't need the background
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which is incredibly powerful
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you can really time time the laughs
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where the monologue is
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where the monologue is I'm just telling
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people at home yeah yes where it's like
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because you can get the audience right
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down there as the warm up which was was
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designed a certain way and it's still
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the same uh you're you're moving down
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you know like somebody's somebody does
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now it's it's Che right uh and then
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Keenan comes out and sings the girls and
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then you sort of the lights start to go
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down and you know you're looking at that
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spot yeah or you're looking where the
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cold opening is going to be you're
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trained and so you get a sense of where
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the focus is it's just amazing Lauren
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you're you're still there and I I've
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come back a few times and did update or
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whatever you can't get past it I mean
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you'll never forget it and I think that
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for all of us who are unknown go on the
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show and for the audience to see Will
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Ferrell do what he did see how David
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evolved it's such an amazing visceral
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experience there's nothing like it and
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the music and the way you kept it the
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same is extraordinary that you didn't
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let any regime trick you out and change
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it what's interesting is there's four
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new people coming in and it's amazing
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because of the pandemic we couldn't let
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there was no place for everyone to go so
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we kept adding people because you have
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to add people every year and suddenly we
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have like 23 people
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yeah and everybody you're not playing
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time and so uh and then
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people left and and so it was so much
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fun seeing these these new people
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because they're they're exactly where
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you should start they've never been on
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television they don't know they don't
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generally if they have representation
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it's
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primitive and uh you just sort of see
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them and there's like that exuberance
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and excitement and uh and there it just
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shows and that energy shows and so when
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you when you start with people who've
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never been on television and the
00:19:02
audience gets to be part of that process
00:19:04
and live with them through it yeah then
00:19:08
I I used to say I'm going to say it now
00:19:11
again
00:19:12
um that the four longest years of your
00:19:14
life are high school yes you don't have
00:19:17
any money you don't have a car any girls
00:19:20
and so staying up late with friends or
00:19:24
staying up late by yourself to like one
00:19:28
o'clock in the morning it's like a
00:19:29
really exciting thing so when people say
00:19:32
the best cast that ever did it generally
00:19:35
it's when they were in high school
00:19:36
totally so if they you know and they go
00:19:39
oh well no the best was you know you and
00:19:40
Hartman and you you know when you go and
00:19:43
follow
00:19:49
and you talk about with your friends
00:19:51
that's the only game in town yeah
00:19:52
especially back then like that I mean
00:19:54
there's more competition now and it's
00:19:55
great that you're still crushing it
00:19:57
because with so many things to choose
00:19:59
from that was I think when you have a
00:20:02
transition kind of now where some are
00:20:04
leaving that you know more familiar
00:20:05
faces yeah uh it doesn't mean anyone's
00:20:07
not as good it's just some people get
00:20:08
more opportunities coming up and the
00:20:10
same thing happened it took me longer to
00:20:12
get my footing when we had Dana
00:20:14
unfortunately was just too good it was
00:20:16
oh no and also I think Ben Stiller came
00:20:18
in at the same time as Mike yes but he
00:20:21
sort of saw this could be a long wait
00:20:23
you know like because Sandler everybody
00:20:26
was there and it was killing it and uh
00:20:30
and what was interesting about that time
00:20:34
was the only people who liked it were
00:20:36
the audience
00:20:37
critically it wasn't
00:20:39
it's a golden age now yeah
00:20:42
Barstow Sports said we were a great we
00:20:45
were the best cast and then you back
00:20:46
then they were like this is the worst
00:20:47
bunch of [ __ ] untalented even when
00:20:50
we had on a given night back in the late
00:20:52
90s or early 90s sorry late 80s we would
00:20:54
have toonces I'm talking about just we'd
00:20:57
have a sprockets maybe I do Bush or
00:21:00
Perot or McLaughlin group Mike might do
00:21:03
uh talking lady whatever her name was
00:21:05
but we had so many women sing a song
00:21:08
David would do a Hollywood minute yeah
00:21:09
so there was a given moment in time you
00:21:11
must have felt like she hey I got a lot
00:21:13
of and you need to hit we're doing that
00:21:16
documentary on Jim Downey which yeah I
00:21:18
talked to him for four hours it's only
00:21:20
going to take 10 years
00:21:22
we're gonna use three minutes or
00:21:24
something like that but my son Eddie is
00:21:26
working on it right he grew up kind of
00:21:28
on the show Etc but uh but not doesn't
00:21:31
really know that period no and Too Young
00:21:33
it keeps showing me things from that
00:21:35
period that are like hilarious and one
00:21:37
of them you showed me recently was uh
00:21:40
parole on Larry King
00:21:42
and it's so funny here's a perfect
00:21:45
perfect Downy piece you're created it
00:21:47
will will was great Larry King doing it
00:21:50
she's not known for it and there was
00:21:53
Chris Catan in there it was people their
00:21:56
platforms were very exotic and Ross
00:21:58
Brown was the same old thing because
00:22:00
he's same old dribble every time we've
00:22:02
been doing this can I finish one time
00:22:03
are you gonna keep talking all ten
00:22:05
percent I mean the rhythm of that was so
00:22:07
infectious I never had more fun doing a
00:22:10
character you could do that speed you
00:22:12
always had that ability that was
00:22:14
something I saw in the audition
00:22:15
you could you could move something that
00:22:18
fast
00:22:19
if it if I can catch a wave with it
00:22:21
rhythmically in my head and I know that
00:22:23
it's like casting a line to the audience
00:22:24
can I finish one time yeah and I know
00:22:27
you're gonna laugh right now because you
00:22:29
can't not laugh because that's why I'm
00:22:31
talking can you figure it that way I
00:22:32
know it is exactly like a song yeah it's
00:22:35
extrapolate but you were you audition
00:22:38
with music
00:22:39
I did have I did have a little piano
00:22:41
thing and stuff but I'm not recommending
00:22:44
that because it's really time to tell
00:22:46
it's about to say for that reason the
00:22:48
other night just I was at the Improv
00:22:50
doing a benefit and I'm kind of bombing
00:22:52
I mean I'm not I'm doing okay yeah and
00:22:54
then I go [ __ ] it I go I did a thing on
00:22:57
SNL called Chop and broccoli it's packed
00:22:59
so I do it and give it all my all on the
00:23:01
piano so Innovation so I should never go
00:23:04
on and do anything else it killed yeah I
00:23:06
thought that story was I only did it
00:23:08
once they think it is because people ask
00:23:09
me all the time it was we gave him a
00:23:12
name to me it was just random rock star
00:23:14
what was he called Derek something yeah
00:23:17
so it's Brit it's rich but it's not my
00:23:20
cart no no it's not McCartney and then I
00:23:22
buried it by we did a sketch where the
00:23:25
record company it was a little too
00:23:27
sophisticated tells him he has to die
00:23:30
because his record sales will go up and
00:23:32
look what happened to Jim Morrison and
00:23:34
Hendricks but I don't want to die it was
00:23:36
one of those and it laid it laid there
00:23:37
but broccoli lives on you know Lauren
00:23:39
when you when you watch these auditions
00:23:41
it's interesting because I was newer to
00:23:44
Comedy all I want to do is kill and
00:23:47
because I my audition was different
00:23:48
we've interviewed a lot of these people
00:23:50
and I'm hearing a lot of more at 8h
00:23:52
which would be just horrifying but uh
00:23:55
and it's dead silence you know and
00:23:56
everyone's out there and shoemaker's
00:23:57
eating peanuts you know no one it's like
00:23:59
hey come down for the audition it's
00:24:01
tough to audition but when I also
00:24:04
weren't you brought in a little bit as a
00:24:06
writer well the thing was I came in and
00:24:09
Dennis right before I walked on people
00:24:11
were catch Rising Star you might have
00:24:12
been there I don't actually don't even
00:24:13
know if you were there it was you know
00:24:14
some writers came down a handful was me
00:24:16
Rob Schneider and Tom Kenny and we were
00:24:18
just doing stand-ups so we do it and
00:24:20
Dennis Miller comes up before and he
00:24:22
goes hey spuddling he goes you're gonna
00:24:25
bring the a game and I go I mean that's
00:24:27
all the a I got I mean I don't know it
00:24:28
might be a b but it's not saving
00:24:30
anything my besties might be B and he
00:24:32
goes uh yeah I'm saving it for another
00:24:33
audition
00:24:35
for America uh Idol so I go listen um
00:24:39
yeah and he goes you don't want to kill
00:24:41
too hard throws a red flag with these
00:24:44
guys they don't want to get some Road
00:24:45
hack and I go so don't do good they're
00:24:47
like David Spade I go Dennis don't do
00:24:50
good so good but I realized now when I
00:24:53
watch comics and stuff I look at writing
00:24:56
so I can tell someone has game and
00:24:58
two lines you know what I mean it's like
00:24:59
Name That Tune I go first line might be
00:25:01
a fluke and then they do the next joke
00:25:02
and I go there's something going on here
00:25:04
yeah and it's like um
00:25:06
you get an eye for it so I think you
00:25:08
guys all had that and it and I can watch
00:25:10
someone and not see if they kill or not
00:25:12
I don't almost hear it I just go oh
00:25:13
that's a good one oh that's a good one
00:25:14
so Dennis said later or maybe down he
00:25:17
said no we liked your writing so I don't
00:25:20
even know I don't think we did that well
00:25:21
but that didn't matter it was more like
00:25:23
oh I like the way you put that together
00:25:24
or that thought or that and that I
00:25:27
appreciate you to describe that that
00:25:28
sensibility that you look for well what
00:25:31
I think was happening then was we had to
00:25:34
cut a murderer's row of people yeah that
00:25:36
we're gonna be dominating for a long
00:25:38
time so you're gonna get to be Ross
00:25:41
Perot but in the other day
00:25:48
do both parts I saw David sitting in the
00:25:52
corner and he looks so sad but it was
00:25:55
just for the wide shot it was a fluky
00:25:57
thing but yeah that was you did well but
00:25:59
what I'm getting at is that there's you
00:26:01
were Perot there's a thing which I've
00:26:04
done a bunch over the years which is
00:26:06
I'll bring someone in as a writer you
00:26:08
know they're you know they're going to
00:26:10
be cast eventually you buy some time but
00:26:12
they won't go through that self-doubt
00:26:14
why am I not getting on and people say
00:26:17
I'm on but I you know I don't see enough
00:26:19
whatever I added that though to my
00:26:21
stress I'll talk to comedians who've
00:26:23
auditioned and they tell me what they've
00:26:25
auditioned with in the last five or
00:26:27
eight years yeah and I won't tell them
00:26:28
but I'm thinking to myself not going to
00:26:30
get it yeah and whether it was like
00:26:33
you're not afraid of any kind of humor
00:26:35
if it was something that's got a logical
00:26:36
but it wasn't funny and I could just
00:26:39
tell it didn't fit
00:26:40
kind of the frequency of you Lauren
00:26:43
Michaels and your lieutenants there's a
00:26:46
certain thing and I it's hard to
00:26:47
describe it because it's it's got a wide
00:26:48
bandwidth but there is something you can
00:26:51
see it at read through when someone new
00:26:53
puts in something everyone goes oh Jesus
00:26:57
an honest room yeah there's no Bernie's
00:27:00
not there you know like so there's not
00:27:02
that and the Network's not there there's
00:27:05
no booming laugh you know from so it's
00:27:07
got yeah it's yeah it didn't play and
00:27:10
same with the show when something
00:27:12
doesn't work there are no laughs on the
00:27:14
air so yeah who do you blame that's the
00:27:16
highway that's the fairest thing in the
00:27:18
world yeah really and also you feel you
00:27:20
burned it yeah but there are people like
00:27:23
Bowen I brought in as a writer he's
00:27:25
great oh and there's you want people to
00:27:28
see how the process works because it's
00:27:30
figuring it out those first few weeks
00:27:33
that you know that's it and that's
00:27:34
caught you know like that and how fast
00:27:37
it goes and costume changes and uh while
00:27:41
he's pointing at it yeah a line that
00:27:43
changed or the writer forgot to tell you
00:27:45
I think Chris Rock ran into that problem
00:27:47
of you know we were stressed that we in
00:27:50
frustrated we were getting on fast
00:27:52
enough but Chris Rock comes in and
00:27:53
they're like you're Eddie Murphy now and
00:27:55
you're on in seven sketches and
00:27:57
franken's screaming at him about a
00:27:59
Confederate he's playing in general and
00:28:00
he's going no and I'm like poor Rock
00:28:03
he's in too much like it's too much
00:28:05
right away yeah and here's the cards and
00:28:07
here's this well and I think it got him
00:28:09
off it was a tougher situation for the
00:28:11
guy who's one of the funniest yeah but
00:28:12
you knew at least I knew he was really
00:28:16
good yeah of course but normally you get
00:28:18
to develop in the background right
00:28:20
because you watch a little bit Phil and
00:28:22
Jan and I were in the cold opening and
00:28:24
I'd never done sketch comedy just stand
00:28:25
up so my first show and I wasn't I
00:28:28
didn't realize later I guess I knew I
00:28:30
was before the mall alarm I didn't I
00:28:31
didn't know I was in the coal opening
00:28:32
right that's how green I was we were
00:28:34
just in the first one it was Game Show
00:28:36
psychic I don't know if it was Jack
00:28:37
candy is that what it was
00:28:40
Jack Handy sounds funny you know I would
00:28:42
answer the questions and Phil was a
00:28:43
perfect in Jan and so we had no time to
00:28:47
really acclimate but it was kind of nice
00:28:48
everyone was really involved but this is
00:28:50
something Higgin said and I don't know
00:28:52
if he made it but that you basically
00:28:53
wrote the Constitution of Saturday Night
00:28:56
Live and then you see all these
00:28:58
incarnations so I'm a baby boomer I'm
00:29:00
doing late 80s stuff and then you you're
00:29:02
the constant and then you're seeing what
00:29:04
kind of Will Ferrell stuff or Bill Hader
00:29:06
humor and then Kate mcginnon and so
00:29:08
you're adaptive in a sense you're
00:29:10
observing so these new four people are
00:29:12
you seeing something just a little 2022
00:29:15
one of them by the way is from Arizona
00:29:17
shut the [ __ ] up and I said yeah and he
00:29:21
said yeah that's where David Spade's
00:29:22
from famous they told you
00:29:28
but and also the changing culture of
00:29:31
Comedy but you're still there and you're
00:29:33
adapting right I mean yeah and and I
00:29:35
think
00:29:37
the room is great you know and and uh
00:29:42
you know oh yeah
00:29:44
and it's a safe space so you kind of
00:29:48
people relax into it I mean it's scary
00:29:50
for the auditions of course yeah but
00:29:52
it's also at some point you have to bat
00:29:54
at Yankee Stadium if you're gonna be the
00:29:56
major league so pretending that that
00:29:58
won't exist and you go right from a club
00:30:00
to on the air wouldn't work no passing
00:30:04
through that threshold because it's
00:30:06
scary
00:30:09
[Music]
00:30:11
and for you personally because I always
00:30:13
saw you kind of as a coach in a way that
00:30:17
so everybody everybody
00:30:19
you're always doing sports metaphors I
00:30:21
mean you complimented me once third
00:30:23
person said uh Lauren said you reminded
00:30:26
him of Don Mattingly
00:30:27
so I was like that I looked it up take
00:30:30
it but you you you see all these
00:30:33
personalities come and go and have you
00:30:35
gotten more studer that you surprised
00:30:36
you you kind of go well this cast member
00:30:38
will be like this I think this one's
00:30:40
going to do well later I mean you must
00:30:42
have some intuitive sense
00:30:44
or is it all just sort of surprising
00:30:46
sometimes I mean like of these four
00:30:48
you've just hired right you know do you
00:30:49
have a sense of maybe 10 years ago uh
00:30:55
somebody who's new to the network but
00:30:57
you know like uh was a senior person we
00:31:00
were having dinner and he said can I ask
00:31:02
you an SNL question
00:31:04
well that's nice sure no it was great I
00:31:06
don't he said you know the update with
00:31:09
Joe's and Shea
00:31:11
uh do you think that's working
00:31:13
and I said no they said oh you know
00:31:17
and I went yeah no no it's a it's a
00:31:21
thing of like
00:31:23
the way I say it which is unpleasant is
00:31:25
that all babies are ugly unless they're
00:31:26
your baby and after three months people
00:31:29
say what a beautiful baby and you have
00:31:31
to live through that period of people
00:31:34
not being good somebody blows a line
00:31:36
somebody comes in on a wrong foot
00:31:38
somebody gets accumulate well he doesn't
00:31:41
the card doesn't come up it's all that
00:31:43
and people go I don't think that guy's
00:31:45
that funny and you go no he is
00:31:47
and I think when you see chemistry and
00:31:50
you sort of know they're going to work
00:31:52
well together
00:31:54
you and Chris yeah you know it was just
00:31:57
there from the beginning it was their
00:31:58
off stage but it was also very clear on
00:32:01
camera well it seems like the audience
00:32:02
starts to discover you and like you
00:32:04
because you get enough base hits and
00:32:06
then you as a performer and David we
00:32:08
just get more confident and that feeds
00:32:10
on itself also you go from however
00:32:14
successful you thought you were to
00:32:16
famous
00:32:17
and that transition is just different
00:32:19
suddenly and if in the first season we
00:32:23
had a limo for the host that was that
00:32:26
was the extent of our budget but uh and
00:32:29
at the party
00:32:31
uh
00:32:32
John Belushi would quite often go and
00:32:35
sit with the hose towards the end and
00:32:37
then as they're getting into the limit
00:32:39
say you know so John would say I'll drop
00:32:42
you off and uh about the host at the at
00:32:46
the hotel and then he would just drive
00:32:48
around all night with his face like
00:32:50
people limos are rare then so who is
00:32:54
that and then he'd just be you know hand
00:32:56
on the roof yeah I like when we first of
00:32:59
all we didn't have cars back then it
00:33:01
wasn't that far long ago but to this to
00:33:03
the set which probably was better be to
00:33:05
have because it's snowing and they're
00:33:07
like Marcy's like spit are you here I'm
00:33:09
down at Manny honey and I'm like well I
00:33:11
I'm trying to get there I live on the
00:33:13
west side but in snowstorm and then I
00:33:15
get there and then afterwards we got to
00:33:17
share like you know made sense Cass gets
00:33:20
a car I'd share one with any feature
00:33:23
player whatever and then uh and Norm
00:33:24
would take one to Atlantic City anyway
00:33:27
where he did very well
00:33:30
Marty's like
00:33:32
um I'm telling Lauren immediately uh but
00:33:35
I was going to ask you about you just
00:33:37
said something about Farley do you
00:33:39
remember this stupid story where Farley
00:33:40
was dating uh Aaron at work and uh
00:33:43
remember that this is just someone that
00:33:46
worked at the office very a nice uh very
00:33:48
cute girl and then on the break they
00:33:50
broke up and and they came back and she
00:33:52
started dating Steve Martin and so
00:33:54
Farley comes back from Wisconsin and uh
00:33:57
Sandler and I are in the office and he
00:33:59
goes so uh smoking I hear uh Aaron's got
00:34:03
a new fella and I go yeah but he doesn't
00:34:05
know and he goes well he might be richer
00:34:09
but he's not funnier and he's not better
00:34:12
looking and he's not more famous we're
00:34:15
like
00:34:16
whoops all three and he's like shut the
00:34:20
[ __ ] up when I got
00:34:22
you can't get better than Seymour that's
00:34:24
a tough one yeah so so Lauren yeah so
00:34:27
Lauren I have a lot of questions yeah go
00:34:29
ahead look at this
00:34:31
um it seems to me like you love it when
00:34:34
the cast and the writers are melding you
00:34:37
don't want either side to really
00:34:38
dominate completely I think I made the
00:34:41
choice because when I worked on the show
00:34:43
Laugh-In which was a number one show it
00:34:46
was to which I contributed almost
00:34:48
nothing
00:34:50
writer yeah but we were never at any
00:34:53
read through mm-hmm
00:34:55
we we didn't go to the studio
00:35:00
and other people would rewrite it and
00:35:02
whatever it wasn't what I thought
00:35:04
working at a comedy show would be and so
00:35:07
the idea of elevating the writers
00:35:10
because every every person from the
00:35:12
network in particularly everyone in the
00:35:13
control room goes oh the writers can do
00:35:15
no wrong
00:35:15
[Music]
00:35:17
but the point with it is it's
00:35:20
that collaboration between a performer
00:35:23
and a writer is and then the performers
00:35:26
all learn how to write do you remember
00:35:28
or at least how to recognize because the
00:35:30
survive no rhythm and timing you know
00:35:33
that's too many words cut that back yeah
00:35:35
you know what I mean and the the writers
00:35:38
theoretically thinking about content of
00:35:40
some sort they don't like to trim yeah I
00:35:43
would tell Al and Jim I go with a bush
00:35:44
cold opening you got to cut some words
00:35:46
out because I feel like I'm doing
00:35:47
homework I feel like I used to get
00:35:49
through it and they they did it but yeah
00:35:52
and and they do it immediately because
00:35:54
they never talk back they never ever
00:35:56
argue with you or whatever I didn't
00:35:58
realize how much they all wanted to be
00:36:00
on camera
00:36:02
and then you saw change bank with Jim
00:36:06
is great Silvertones man commercial
00:36:09
parodies were another secret weapon I
00:36:11
think there's just a thing of watching
00:36:14
people on a stage really enjoying
00:36:19
themselves feeling uncomfortable when
00:36:21
that level of confidence is there and
00:36:23
you know that you got it it's just a
00:36:26
different thing and it comes through at
00:36:28
home you just can tell it's exhilarating
00:36:30
on the 40th because Mike and I were
00:36:33
closing the show yeah which I want to
00:36:34
talk about the 40th because I think it
00:36:36
was sort of magic but I said we should
00:36:39
either be very offended or very
00:36:40
flattered because it's a four-hour show
00:36:42
and there we come as Wayne Garth hey and
00:36:45
we so happen to land it so beautifully
00:36:47
and Kanye West was there and we kept
00:36:50
going to him and I felt so in the pocket
00:36:52
but God you had to fight the nerves
00:36:54
because everyone was a famous person
00:36:56
yeah and that was a tough room and yet
00:36:59
and worse uh because the seating was
00:37:02
screwed well
00:37:04
the 40th was just a fly by the seat of
00:37:07
your pants I mean it wasn't a normal
00:37:08
people were still coming in and you know
00:37:11
and I had to send to Jimmy and and uh
00:37:14
Justin out so they really took a bullet
00:37:17
you know like because people were moving
00:37:19
in still seating and they're performing
00:37:21
because the audience was only
00:37:23
celebrities right yeah and they're only
00:37:24
live at eight o'clock yeah former hosts
00:37:27
music and then you had a spillover room
00:37:29
and people were mad there in the
00:37:31
spillover room that room
00:37:35
and by the way I don't think there's any
00:37:37
plus ones yeah it was just and the 50th
00:37:41
will have no plus ones so what do you
00:37:43
think of the 50th I mean isn't it
00:37:44
surreal yeah I I mean and then uh uh I
00:37:49
was gonna I have to give an enemy's
00:37:51
speech and I hadn't planned on it oh
00:37:52
that's right congratulations we win
00:37:54
again yeah no it was like seven years in
00:37:56
a row or something yeah six six still
00:37:59
I'm thinking about next year you have to
00:38:02
write this stuff down there
00:38:03
uh I think I was gonna say you know like
00:38:09
I don't want to say well I'm getting
00:38:10
ready for season 48.
00:38:13
because it's insane it's just you know
00:38:16
what I mean yeah and yes it was five
00:38:17
years I wasn't there you know after the
00:38:19
first five but it's you just sort of go
00:38:23
uh and the other thing that's familiar
00:38:26
to people who are joining the show is
00:38:28
the school year you know that that we
00:38:32
come in in the fall take Thanksgiving
00:38:34
off or take Christmas off uh you know
00:38:37
Easter whatever and spring break and
00:38:40
then it's summer and you go away and uh
00:38:43
the original plan was not the network
00:38:45
just wanted us to do three shows a month
00:38:46
all year round and I went
00:38:48
the seasons are going to run into each
00:38:50
other and also it's so
00:38:55
such a pressurized environment you have
00:38:59
to get away from everybody I mean for me
00:39:01
because I want to kill everybody by the
00:39:02
end oh yeah and you're just a little
00:39:04
more to get out yeah and so you go
00:39:06
weighing around the end of July you go
00:39:08
yeah I could go back start the message
00:39:10
yeah now when the network or the whoever
00:39:13
the people you talk to about the show
00:39:15
try to convince you to do something how
00:39:17
do you I mean if you how do you navigate
00:39:19
that I mean have you ever lost an
00:39:21
argument because it seems like you've
00:39:23
have a winning percentage of keeping the
00:39:25
show
00:39:26
quality or or it's it's it was anything
00:39:30
to do with religion particularly in the
00:39:33
70s there was Jim used to write this uh
00:39:36
thing called what if
00:39:38
uh and it would always be
00:39:41
written in by a 10 year old paper boy
00:39:43
from out to Illinois and uh anyway what
00:39:47
if Spartacus has a had a piper cup you
00:39:49
know it's like those kind of right and
00:39:51
then we do a redactment of it okay and
00:39:53
at the time uh
00:39:56
state senator in New York in arguing for
00:40:00
capital punishment said that if the
00:40:02
Romans hadn't believed a capital
00:40:04
punishment there would be
00:40:07
know Jesus and the Reno Christianity
00:40:10
which seemed insane to me but I I
00:40:13
understood how you could get there
00:40:14
logically and uh the movie straight time
00:40:19
which was Dustin Hoffman coming out of
00:40:21
you know on parole and the his yes
00:40:26
friends trying to get him back into
00:40:28
crime so we did it as Jesus does you
00:40:33
know gets off with three to five and
00:40:35
then he uh is some of the Apostles are
00:40:40
going to come on one more Miracle no one
00:40:42
gets hurt
00:40:43
you know now to me it was just comedy
00:40:47
you know but it really got uh okay and
00:40:50
it uh and it because you'd have to know
00:40:54
the relationship between me and Howard
00:40:55
because in the first five years you'd be
00:40:58
like well we can't just do pop and I go
00:41:02
well I'm you know we wanted this and so
00:41:05
that week we had Keith Jared and it was
00:41:08
like jazz piano and it was brilliant but
00:41:10
it was like now this sketch which was
00:41:13
nine minutes we're arguing up until air
00:41:16
really at 11 o'clock which point it's
00:41:19
like I'm going uh really yeah you're
00:41:24
denying the Divinity of Christ which I
00:41:26
go we're not really it's you know uh
00:41:30
yeah and maybe that's the Canadian part
00:41:31
but all I'm getting at is it was like uh
00:41:35
an absolute no
00:41:36
no no not even that and I said to one of
00:41:40
the network people who was in the room
00:41:42
who all spare uh
00:41:44
does this offend you and he said listen
00:41:48
Lord I'd let you put [ __ ] sucking on the
00:41:50
air we'll get a 40 share so I'm the
00:41:52
wrong guy to ask oh this is really
00:41:54
helpful thank you
00:41:59
[Music]
00:42:00
well we had Mr clockworthy I think yeah
00:42:03
in the in the age and in church chat I
00:42:06
initially had penis in there a lot and
00:42:08
he wanted some of those cut out and so I
00:42:11
substitute for penis I put in more your
00:42:13
throbbing bulbous area it was way more
00:42:15
pornographic but that's good no penis
00:42:18
yeah and I think that for us you know uh
00:42:22
because it's live and because we were on
00:42:25
the honor System at the beginning we're
00:42:27
still on it you know I was at the Emmys
00:42:30
the other night
00:42:31
a bunch of people you know uh said [ __ ]
00:42:35
and you go yeah you're gonna get a laugh
00:42:37
you know but is that it's not an age
00:42:40
well
00:42:41
you know and uh but it is that move the
00:42:44
temptation to do it and for us we would
00:42:47
lose Affiliates if we lose right I don't
00:42:49
think you lose anything anymore but but
00:42:51
it there's something about and when we
00:42:55
were doing Wayne's World I'd been in
00:42:58
1990 I was in
00:43:00
Edward I was on something that a trip uh
00:43:05
and uh yeah and I was with people that I
00:43:08
wasn't normally with and they they
00:43:11
talked about watching the show with
00:43:13
their kids
00:43:14
now no you know in the 70s it was no not
00:43:19
supposed to trust anyone over 30 right
00:43:21
and it was like we were doing it for the
00:43:23
people we knew and we didn't think the
00:43:25
rest of the country cared and it really
00:43:27
didn't until Mr Bill showed up but uh
00:43:31
and
00:43:32
they were talking about sitting there
00:43:34
with their teenage daughter and how
00:43:37
uh how
00:43:39
great it was to both be laughing at the
00:43:42
same things as a family anyway I didn't
00:43:43
have kids so I it was kind of I thought
00:43:46
oh that and that was Schwing and sphinct
00:43:49
herself we were doing that oh the
00:43:51
Madonna the Madonna oh yeah with the
00:43:54
Avion bottle right what was the movie
00:43:56
Truth or Dare yeah yeah Truth or Dare
00:43:59
look at the thing on that guy or
00:44:01
whatever yeah I was it was and uh they
00:44:05
were doing the Avion bottle like like
00:44:06
that and she wanted to do it if I had a
00:44:09
16 year old daughter that'd be like
00:44:11
really cringed off and uh we do lots of
00:44:15
things that are shocking but I think you
00:44:16
can't just be shocking I think it's
00:44:19
great to have hard rails and so it's you
00:44:21
can be a little naughty but you can't
00:44:22
just full-blown I mean the penis sketch
00:44:25
where we're all at a nudist colony
00:44:26
fantastic piece fantastic piece really
00:44:29
holds up didn't it take a year or two to
00:44:31
get it on we lost Toyota we lost two
00:44:34
three big sponsors because people would
00:44:38
boycott a dealership
00:44:40
um and then because of that sketch yeah
00:44:41
and because people would say uh you know
00:44:46
Whoever has the dealership in
00:44:48
Mississippi is getting is calling
00:44:50
Central headquarters going there's
00:44:52
people outside here protesting and why
00:44:56
are you sponsoring that show guys at a
00:44:59
nudist colony we had a slot so you'd see
00:45:01
our legs I think Hanks was on it I think
00:45:03
it was smuggle right yes it was nice
00:45:06
penis how you doing how's your penis and
00:45:08
we said penis like intentionally like
00:45:09
300 times or something
00:45:12
missed that one I don't know yeah
00:45:15
it was where the laughs were yeah I
00:45:18
don't think it got great laughs
00:45:21
right no no I don't think so but there
00:45:23
are certain writers who never don't hear
00:45:25
laughs so you never don't hear that yeah
00:45:28
I know they're going to kill actually
00:45:30
but like old old ones like uh
00:45:32
cheeseburger cheeseburger Pepsi Pepsi
00:45:34
those I don't think kill the first time
00:45:36
around I don't think it's kills the
00:45:37
first time around and you train the
00:45:39
audience this is good and they and then
00:45:40
later they go oh those are the best and
00:45:42
you go yeah very often the first one's
00:45:44
not not a hit yeah but uh yeah we did uh
00:45:49
the very first show we're still trying
00:45:52
to find out what areas of the studio had
00:45:53
sound and we were on there there was a
00:45:56
piece that Rosie wrote uh called b b
00:45:59
hospital
00:46:00
and uh it was a maternity hospital for
00:46:04
bees and to be the apparently they did
00:46:06
the costumes and they were great to be
00:46:07
costumes and uh every now they're just
00:46:10
men pacing and then every now and then
00:46:14
the nurse would come out and say it's a
00:46:16
worker no it's a worker you know so and
00:46:20
it was just that
00:46:22
it's a worker oh yes work and then it
00:46:24
was it's a drone oh it's a drone yeah
00:46:26
anyway it played to silence because you
00:46:29
couldn't hear it it was in the barcode
00:46:31
it was just terrible so the only note we
00:46:34
got from the network was the bees thing
00:46:38
didn't work so don't do that anymore so
00:46:39
the second show the bees came on right
00:46:42
and tried and then Paul Simon was
00:46:45
hosting he said no no the bees is cut
00:46:46
because it didn't work
00:46:49
the third show they snuck on uh in a
00:46:54
sketch with uh Rob Runner and Penny
00:46:56
Marshall and then there was a long
00:46:59
more and more they're taking their
00:47:01
people are in the back or bees you know
00:47:03
it's like yeah yeah that's like a big
00:47:05
thing and then Rob went into long speech
00:47:07
about how the bees didn't work how funny
00:47:10
and then and then Belushi did that A
00:47:13
variation on that speech from Billy Jack
00:47:16
of like you know you have Hollywood
00:47:18
writers you have this you come here and
00:47:21
we okay you know like that and they kind
00:47:23
of walked off to One Tin Soldier you
00:47:25
know like and so that was then the bees
00:47:28
were there that's what we loved about
00:47:30
that show yeah it was Anarchy and it was
00:47:33
so different yeah and also don't tell us
00:47:36
what's funny
00:47:37
all right guys that was part one with
00:47:39
Lauren and we're gonna do the whole part
00:47:41
two next week
00:47:42
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