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Runners only with dime Harley Runners
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only with dom Harvey and Dame Lisa
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Carrington g'day mate thanks for having
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me thank you oh no no thank you so much
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for coming over
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um this is an honor uh We've interviewed
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we've spoken a few times over the years
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um on my radio show and it's great to
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have you over I'm on it yeah it's uh
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funny because I think that the edge was
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one of my first kind of interviews I did
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after I won my first world Champs back
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in 2011 so yeah thank you for having me
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said about very low for future radio
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interviews okay are you ready for the
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awkward um introduction uh this is this
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is this is lengthy uh Dame Lisa
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Carrington The Goat in the boat Golden
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Arms lady on the lake which which one do
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you prefer of your necklace lady on the
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lake
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I'm beaten in over 10 years of kayaking
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five Olympic Golds and one bronze 12
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World titles first Maori to win an
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Olympic gold is that accurate
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yes that was in 2012 but we've had many
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more it seems nuts that no one won a
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gold before you yeah uh how big
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sportswoman of the year 2016 2017 2018
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2019 and 2021. presumably you would have
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got 20 20 you had it not been for
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covered uh Helberg sportswoman of the
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decade and at the halberg Supreme Award
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winner 2021. my God that's exhausting
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yeah yes and the thing is you're not
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like you're not winding down I feel like
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you're just sort of getting started
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you've still got so much to give yeah I
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I mean
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I guess I'm 33 and
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um I guess there's an expectation that
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athletes uh particularly women maybe
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don't go as long and I think after Tokyo
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Olympics last year
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I guess I decided that you know what I
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think there's more I haven't necessarily
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I've managed to keep improving over the
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last 10 or so years so
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so it's been
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um I mean I'm super fortunate to have
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good people in my corner to help me kind
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of
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pave that way and um yeah it's good yeah
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do you think female athletes for the
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most part is the generalization don't go
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as long because they have a break for
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kids or they retire early yeah I so
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there's uh you know that is one thing I
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think we want to have families and
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um it does get obviously harder as you
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get older but and also
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um
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yeah maybe maybe Sports a thing that we
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shouldn't continue to do not I guess
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it's a CSU yes
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yeah I mean it's not always a hard thing
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to maintain as well the level of
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commitment
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um and I guess in a way sacrifice
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um but I think I've found a way to
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really enjoy it and I when I get
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I guess the enjoyment and the ability to
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improve all the time is really addictive
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to kind of just keep charging along yeah
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um there's something I wanted to bring
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up early on uh you and I we were direct
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messaging backwards and forwards on
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Instagram and um you about a week ago
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you sent me a message asking sort of the
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line of questioning and what the podcast
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is about then you explained to me um
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this is what you said you said I want to
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make sure it's a good one for you and it
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got me thinking are you are you um are
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you a perfectionist are people pleaser
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or is it something else uh I think these
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yeah there's always a bit of
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perfectionism and especially being
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um in in sport what I do I think
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I guess you think that Perfection will
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equal good performance um but obviously
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over time I've realized that we've kind
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of got to keep away from that kind of
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thinking
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um but yeah I guess
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um I want to do a good job I want to
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share a good message
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um yeah oh my God so I saw a TV
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interview as well with your um with your
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husband Bucky and he made a you were
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talking about what your go-to meal to
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make as some pizza or something like
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that and he made some throwaway remark
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about you being good at everything you
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do so are you is it exhausting being
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and maybe I just don't do the things
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that I'm shitty I don't know yeah yeah
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no I don't I guess
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um you know you have good people that
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you know pump you up so yeah that's cool
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and and um another thing I wanted to
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bring up about you being here today for
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this podcast
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um can you say no are you good at saying
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no or good enough at saying no to things
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uh
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uh it is it is tricky but but um
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prioritize my training so I will say no
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if it impacts that because
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um to me that is super important our
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unless it's you know a family thing or
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something that's really important to me
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um but yeah I when I can justify it and
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also I like doing things that are
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meaningful so yeah
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yeah because you straight after this
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you're going out for a dinner with your
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husband
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um I I I don't know what I've never seen
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you at a restaurant so I've got no idea
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what going out for dinner with Lisa
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caring Dame Lisa Carrington looks like
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but I'm guessing you get asked for
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selfies do you like do you say no if
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it's at an environment like dinner or do
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you just like grip your teeth through it
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get it over and done with and then get
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back to your meals I think I don't know
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I feel like kiwis are mostly respectful
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yeah and
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um I I guess when I don't I mean not
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that I get asked for selfies heaps but
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maybe like if I'm out for dinner maybe
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there'd be one or two but I think you
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know that's fine I guess
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um I don't get to you know people may
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not be will not meet me again you know
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and I would appreciate I would be scared
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to ask someone for a selfie so I respect
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the courage yeah respect the courage for
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sure I think I reckon you're a bit of a
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people pleaser probably yeah yeah and I
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I feel like I'm exactly the same of you
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know I've been up before with some um
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some well-known people and they'll be
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like oh do you mind now's not a good
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time and yeah I sit there thinking to
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myself the explanation that you've given
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is probably longer than what taking a
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photo would have would have been yeah
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that's right I know you're right I think
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it is
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um
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yeah I like I don't want people to think
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badly of me but also it's it's not much
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time you know
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do you care about what people think yeah
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absolutely it's I mean it's something
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that I will I'm always working on I
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think it's
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um what do you mean like from an
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Outsiders you're probably near to as
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perfect the person you could get I just
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uh you don't know me
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yeah I think I think that's it though
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um
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I you know not doing things because I'm
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afraid of or not saying something
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um I'm always trying to work on that not
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caring yeah right yeah you care so much
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yeah I think so yeah yeah
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um oh okay before we get any further um
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what's your relationship like with
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running it is the podcast says do you
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have a relationship with running at all
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as a part of your training regime do you
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ever run for fun to clear your mind or
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if you're not really around since school
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uh yeah I do run every now and then for
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training for sure and we can't I can't
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take a kayak everywhere so
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um it's definitely a tool that I use
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when I haven't got access to a boat
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um and yeah I mean
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I do I don't run a lot so when I do run
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I can I'm prone to niggles so
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well like Achilles or knees I'm a
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kayaker so um just like if I run too
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fast or run two days in a row I get a
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sore foot right
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oh is that what you mean by a mic
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because you never do any sort of like
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League stuff or feature uh running yeah
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so look I'll run every now and then
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maybe a 30 minute if I'm coming into the
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season I'll run for 30 or 40 minutes and
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maybe that's twice a week but if I run
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consecutively it's not
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um I don't have the
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probably the technique and the fitness
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for it the resilience for it yeah
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okay well we've took that off so now
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running is hard so um your specialty
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event
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um the K1 200 so the k for kayak yeah
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yeah they could collect 200. so you've
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been undefeated in that event for how
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long now like 10 years 11 years yes
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since I started competing in it in
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2011. yeah and and that takes you around
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about 40 seconds so it's like 20 seconds
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per 100 meters which is if I was
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sprinting on land against your water I
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think I'd probably just be marginally
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quicker than you which is insane insane
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yeah I mean it's I love I mean I love
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that event because it's it's you know
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it's not yeah 100 meters which is 10
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seconds but it's you know you've got to
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have a little bit of Fitness
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um it's all about power so it's a full
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expression of uh my the physicality of
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power really and and if I may just do
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like um another land to water comparison
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if I do say a 100 meter sprint it
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doesn't hurt at all you get to the
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Finish it's not long enough to hurt but
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as soon as you start to get around that
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bend on the track it starts to hurt so
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yeah is it the same with you when does
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it start to hurt in the yeah about 50
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meters to go right so I guess things
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start seizing up
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um and ultimately at that point it's
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trying to stop the boat slowing down too
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much so technique's really important and
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just keeping the boat moving right you
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just lose power in your arms absolutely
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yeah right
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um okay a bunch of dumb questions to get
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through
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um first of all the the kayak looks so
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slim what does it weigh it looks 12
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kilos 12 kilos yeah so that's not much
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at all yeah so that's the standard
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weight you can't if you're a gram under
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um you're disqualified yeah so we we
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train at 12 kilos elbows at 12 kilos
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um now would I or the average person
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fall out like a focus yeah
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absolutely really is it that difficult
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to balance yep it is
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um for someone who's never paddled
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before absolutely
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that's that's one thing I love about um
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I I've had another Athlete on the um the
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podcast recently Hamish Kerr who's like
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New Zealand's best high jumper one thing
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I love about what he does and what you
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do is that the sports that every New
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Zealander gets to get to go at like
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everyone at Primary School get to go at
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the high jump
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um every New Zealander has at some point
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been in a kayak yeah maybe you're in
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dinner rail or on holiday somewhere you
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hire one it looks fun you do it for a
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couple hundred meters yeah arms hurt so
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everyone has like an idea of just how
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difficult it is yeah it's um yeah I mean
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it's yeah I guess it's so it's super
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challenging and uh I guess because we
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are we're sprinting so our boat is
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designed to go as fast as possible so
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you'll have the recreational kayaks
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which are super easy and then as you get
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more Performance Based it gets more
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challenging yeah now um you need a
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strong upper body obviously
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um a leg muscle is important at all yeah
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absolutely how why uh I guess it's like
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uh they're an engagement so
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we use our legs to drive our body so
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it's kind of as our blade goes in the
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water use our leeks to initiate the the
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stroke and so your legs are sort of
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shuffling you're still sort of shuffling
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around yeah up and down yeah yeah yeah
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so yeah they are important whilst
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they're not
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they don't need to be incredibly strong
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they have to and also stability in your
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core your hips those types of things
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yeah wow now um just yesterday while I
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was doing some research for for this
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Podcast chat today I watched a clip um
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from the TV show Mad Eye ten years ago
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so this is before your first gold medal
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um before you know before you release a
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[ __ ] cat so how how do you think
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you've changed as a person from that
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young woman full of Hope and promise to
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to you know the household name in New
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Zealand's most successful Olympian ever
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uh I guess just experience I've just
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um but when you see that clip do you
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feel like the same person now does it
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feel like a lifetime ago
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uh it doesn't really I mean I'm still
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training in that same gym
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um right now but yeah I know it is it is
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a lifetime ago I think
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um it's just every year because we work
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so hard on mental skills and physical
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training and those types of things
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always growing and changing so
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absolutely a different person
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um but same you know yeah same Lisa yeah
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but just adjustments yeah so you so your
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family like your mum and dad they're
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still together and they seem to have
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from you know from what I see on TV they
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seem to have every four years
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they seem to they get a little bit older
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each time they seem to have a wonderful
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relationship in your nana as well so
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that would they see you now and think oh
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it's just the same old Lisa oh I yeah I
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think so maybe our conversation's a bit
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more mature
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um but yeah I I and you know always go
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home and Mum and Dad are always mum and
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dad and you're always you know I'm
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always the um yeah younger daughter
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youngest daughter yeah oh that's special
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and um you've got the same coach as what
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you had then Gordon Walker yeah uh how
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how has that relationship changed
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between then and now how does he
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coaching now like um like does it um I
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mean does his opinion count and you
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deciding to go for another few years and
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go to the Paris games yeah I yeah I
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think from like being a young athlete
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and figuring out how to be an athlete be
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an adult
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um and to now I think our relationship I
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can be I'm able to be a lot more honest
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with him he's able to be a lot more
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honest with me especially around
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feedback and what I can work on So You
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Know
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and I guess that's just
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with he's he's grown as a coach and at
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the same I've managed to kind of keep
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growing as an athlete so I'm I mean I'm
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super fortunate to have someone like him
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that has such passion and just knowledge
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around
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um coaching around looking after the
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athlete looking after the physiology
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um you know the whole holistic picture
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so like from from what I can gather
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about you you're extremely driven so he
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he's he never has to put a rocket up
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your ass or anything like that is it
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more
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like sort of yeah like talk Talking you
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down or being like a psycho psychologist
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in a way do you know what I mean yeah uh
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he he never has a problem
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um telling me to slow down it's more so
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he's very much
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but also he I'm I guess I'm also
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difficult in a way because I ask for you
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know so why is our training like this
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what what are the reasons behind it
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because I really want to understand why
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what I'm doing you know what am I doing
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to my body how is my body going to
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change
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um and he's got all those answers that
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can help me when I'm you know be similar
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to you going for a run or you know I'm
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paddling for two hours on the water I'm
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like why am I doing this but I know
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exactly why I'm doing it what it's
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leading towards
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um so you know he's he's happy to give
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me those answers and I'm sure it's he
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repeats himself weekly well I suppose
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that's what makes you um a good athlete
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right asking asking the why rather than
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just doing it yeah and I I for me I just
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I want to do it well and I want to turn
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up and I don't want to waste time
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um and for me you know I would like on
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Google Maps you know I always try find
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the most efficient way to get somewhere
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and that's with training it's like
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what's the most efficient way I can do
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this and you know I'll only have so much
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time in the day your energy and the data
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put into physical training so I've got
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to make the most of it and worth
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pointing out you're worth five minutes
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early to get here today okay so I
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mentioned before that you were this kind
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of surprised me you're the first ever
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Maori male or female
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um to win a gold medal how connected are
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you with your roots are you quite I know
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you've done or you're doing Maori
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studies at Uni yeah yeah yeah so I've
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I've finished my studies and I think
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um
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yeah I'm connected as I can be I think
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it has a lot to do with you know
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there is a point obviously in our
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history where our you know grandparents
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moved away from being Maori and it
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wasn't okay to be Maori so for me the
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connection it's there and I am still
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working on reaching back and figuring
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out how I can connect more yeah because
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I'm kissing your dad or maybe maybe not
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her maybe he would sit on the cuspect
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yeah your grandparents they would
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probably at that age where you get the
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strap at school for speaking Maori yeah
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absolutely it's shockingly yeah and
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unbelievable and also
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um my dad's grandparents you know it was
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they would have to leave their home
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because it wasn't okay to practice Maori
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custom
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um so if you think about what it's it's
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amazing you think
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um what you know I guess your ancestors
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had to do or your you know your
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whakapapa where you've come from and
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think wow I'm so privileged to be here
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today because of what
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you know those people with my family
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have done for me so yeah it's very cool
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and now we're on that let's um yeah
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let's go right back to little Lisa so so
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your parents both School your dad's a
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principal your mum's a teacher yeah
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that's right and that's the school they
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they're at the school that you went to
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yes yeah they're still there what school
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is there wild turkey Valley School right
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or Porter key yeah and and your mum um
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she she made you play netball from like
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the age of five yeah yeah coach the team
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did you want did you want to play were
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you reluctant I I don't remember
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no I think I yeah I think netball I
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don't remember not wanting to do it I
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think I really loved it especially right
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up until
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um I was about 16.
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um and that's when I kind of nibble to
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that late yeah yeah yeah so I think too
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like I was making
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um Bay plenty teams and those types of
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things honestly you weren't [ __ ]
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okay yeah I wasn't going to be a silver
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Fern or anything but I made uh like
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under 17
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um
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probably not tall enough
00:18:02
okay and you've got um um two older
00:18:04
brothers is that all the Carrington
00:18:06
siblings yes and what do they do uh so
00:18:09
my oldest brother Sean he's a driller in
00:18:12
Wellington and my middle brother Brett
00:18:15
he's on the Gold Coast as a personal
00:18:17
trainer right are they all as driven as
00:18:20
you or not to the same degree like where
00:18:21
do you think your drive comes from is it
00:18:23
a I don't know yeah
00:18:24
um my oldest brother he's super mellow
00:18:27
and then my middle brother he's uh super
00:18:30
motivated so I think I've got a bit of
00:18:33
both and yeah I don't I guess my drive
00:18:37
comes from just wanting to do a good job
00:18:39
and I think when your experience
00:18:43
I guess positive affirmation when you're
00:18:46
doing something you're like okay this is
00:18:47
quite cool I enjoy this especially with
00:18:49
kayaking I think so I'm doing all right
00:18:52
I'll keep keep going just chipping away
00:18:53
so and then that kind of builds I think
00:18:55
the motivation or the
00:18:57
uh whatever it is the drive and you can
00:19:01
grow it yeah and and success
00:19:03
um and succeeding is a very addictive
00:19:05
drug isn't it yeah you get a taste of
00:19:07
that and you just want more yeah and I I
00:19:09
think it's like putting what
00:19:12
putting it in so it's not necessarily I
00:19:15
guess winning winning gold medals is
00:19:17
amazing but I guess it's not putting
00:19:21
the pressure or trying to get the that
00:19:24
adrenaline or that motivation from the
00:19:27
gold medal it's like well we spend most
00:19:29
our time training
00:19:30
um and you know races uh big ones are
00:19:35
every four years so
00:19:37
and also I think if it's just for the
00:19:39
middle it's a little bit Hollow so I
00:19:42
think
00:19:43
so how many minutes about Holland uh I
00:19:46
think that it has to be more than the
00:19:48
middle or for me anyway like it's low
00:19:50
water process yeah yeah the process and
00:19:54
um I think the middle or the outcome not
00:19:58
isn't always written before you get
00:20:01
there so I think the acceptance of of
00:20:04
winning and of losing is a complete
00:20:07
possibility
00:20:09
um so it's about I guess about doing for
00:20:11
me about doing kayaking because I love
00:20:14
uh doing it with the people that I'm
00:20:17
doing it with I love the growth the
00:20:19
challenge the opportunities
00:20:21
and yes it is also to compete so there's
00:20:24
more than just the middle I think so
00:20:26
you'd be under what circumstances would
00:20:29
you be like okay going going to the
00:20:31
Olympics and um not not doing well like
00:20:32
if you if you did a good time and you
00:20:35
know it's a time that you're happy with
00:20:36
maybe a personal best and you didn't
00:20:37
meddle you'd be okay with that I don't
00:20:39
know if I'd be I wouldn't be okay with
00:20:40
it
00:20:44
but I think the the lesson would all the
00:20:47
you'd have you'd have to be you know I
00:20:50
think they're giving it everything right
00:20:52
yeah that's it that's it I think it's
00:20:54
also you know something that my mum you
00:20:57
know I asked her like why did you get us
00:20:59
into sport especially you know quite
00:21:01
early
00:21:02
um especially team sports she said well
00:21:03
I wanted you to learn how to be a good
00:21:05
winner and a good loser and I think it's
00:21:07
like yeah she didn't need to worry about
00:21:09
the losers
00:21:10
not yet anyway
00:21:12
um so I I guess it's it's not always
00:21:16
about the result yeah um there's got to
00:21:18
be more than that and there's only one
00:21:19
winner and I think you want everyone
00:21:22
that's lining up to be like I'm gonna
00:21:24
win that gold medal today or I want to
00:21:26
try at least
00:21:27
then you're competing against the best
00:21:29
people you'll ever be able to compete
00:21:31
against and that's I think that's the
00:21:32
best thing yeah so how did you end up in
00:21:34
a clinic it's a
00:21:36
I don't know it seems like an unusual
00:21:37
sport to gravitate towards it's not the
00:21:40
easiest sport you know what I mean yeah
00:21:41
no um so I started surf life saving as I
00:21:45
as a kid
00:21:46
um we moved to ohope beach
00:21:49
um and my parents wanted me to meet my
00:21:51
brothers uh to learn how to be in the
00:21:54
ocean and be safe since we were living
00:21:56
there and so in Surf life saving there's
00:21:58
a surf ski and I happen to do pretty
00:22:01
well at it and dad
00:22:03
knew obviously knew that kayaking was in
00:22:06
the Olympics
00:22:07
um knew that there was a correlation
00:22:08
between uh uh surfsky pad Langan
00:22:13
that's almost like a surfboard that you
00:22:15
set on in your paddle uh it's basically
00:22:17
it's like a kayak it's
00:22:20
quite Skinny It's really it's really
00:22:22
unstable as well and you compete in the
00:22:25
ocean short races maybe 400 on 700
00:22:29
meters in the ocean yeah so you're held
00:22:31
them when you were doing that uh from
00:22:32
the 8th 13 I think my earnestersky
00:22:36
um yeah and thought it was just a good
00:22:37
thing to do especially for cross
00:22:39
training or you know in the winter it's
00:22:41
cold yeah off season training cold to
00:22:43
get in the in the ocean on a surf ski
00:22:46
and also Ian Ferguson was holding a
00:22:49
kayak Camp
00:22:51
um
00:22:52
I think which is really close to where I
00:22:54
live I lived yeah you would have had no
00:22:57
idea I'm guessing at that age who um
00:22:58
food was Ian Ferguson
00:23:02
I think I did maybe dad said something
00:23:05
he's like oh this guy you know he's won
00:23:06
medals and it's like okay
00:23:08
it's amazing so it was a real full
00:23:10
circle moment after the Tokyo Olympic
00:23:13
games where
00:23:14
um you passed Ian Ferguson as like the
00:23:17
the most successful New Zealand Olympian
00:23:19
of all all time yeah yeah that's crazy
00:23:21
and that's kayaking yeah
00:23:24
when did that sort of sink in for you
00:23:26
that realization that oh my God I got
00:23:28
this training session from Ferg's kayaks
00:23:30
was it one of those was it an miq or was
00:23:33
it like um shortly afterwards it's like
00:23:35
when did that moment sort of hit you
00:23:38
yeah it's a big thing it didn't really
00:23:42
um
00:23:43
I guess I once I'd finished and
00:23:46
got all the medals I had and after Tokyo
00:23:49
the journalists were telling me so how
00:23:52
does it feel to be the most secreted
00:23:54
Olympian and I was like uh yeah and I
00:23:57
mean some people were asking me before
00:23:59
the games it's like what is it like
00:24:00
going into maybe being the most
00:24:05
um
00:24:06
honestly I'm getting clearly thinking
00:24:09
about the pressure you're under I don't
00:24:10
know how you can be so ice cold about it
00:24:12
all yeah I think it's it's avoid I guess
00:24:15
in a way it's
00:24:16
we when I you know these big events I'm
00:24:19
not at home so I'm not tuning in to the
00:24:22
radio or reading uh newspapers or on
00:24:26
social media
00:24:27
um reporting on you know what I'm up to
00:24:30
so I I like that I don't have to read
00:24:34
into that yeah and you I so I read um
00:24:37
okay so you went to the foods kayak
00:24:39
training camp thing and then um you
00:24:42
trained um like on a river and you had
00:24:43
like an online coach
00:24:45
uh yeah so I I
00:24:48
sorry and that kind of stage I was
00:24:50
mixing between my
00:24:52
um
00:24:53
my coach my Surf Club coach and a coach
00:24:56
here in Auckland who was that at that
00:25:00
stage I guess this was my last year at
00:25:01
high school and I was traveling I got
00:25:04
packed for the junior worlds team
00:25:07
um so yeah just training on my own I
00:25:10
don't
00:25:10
you know I wasn't training that hard
00:25:13
compared to what I was doing now like
00:25:15
you come on well I suppose was that you
00:25:18
weren't training hard because you had
00:25:20
other normal teenage things to do or
00:25:23
just because you didn't know what how to
00:25:24
train properly yeah absolutely not
00:25:26
knowing how to train I guess I had a I
00:25:28
was given a piece of paper and it was
00:25:31
like Yep this is what you've got to do
00:25:32
and so
00:25:34
like what sort of thing like do two
00:25:35
minutes half yeah two minutes at eighty
00:25:37
percent right uh one minute off or
00:25:40
something like that yeah so I mean I
00:25:43
wouldn't really know what that meant now
00:25:45
now if someone just handed me to piece
00:25:46
of paper and say well
00:25:48
um okay like what am I trying to build
00:25:50
here but I guess I don't know if a
00:25:52
perfect training program would have even
00:25:53
been necessary would not have been
00:25:55
necessary at my age and also I was doing
00:25:57
a lot of it on my own um and it was
00:25:59
through kind of through winter because I
00:26:01
was heading over to
00:26:04
um the junior worlds which I think it
00:26:05
was in August in Czech Republic so I I
00:26:10
guess I didn't have a heap of motivation
00:26:11
if I was tired but one thing that I like
00:26:14
is that if I was training
00:26:17
um I was allowed to take the car to
00:26:18
school so that was I didn't I did not
00:26:22
want to catch the bus
00:26:25
what were you like in secondary school
00:26:27
like we were you quite social did were
00:26:29
you even to let the after school party
00:26:31
scene or anything like that or yeah I
00:26:33
yeah I definitely my friends yeah we
00:26:36
yeah so I really enjoyed hanging out on
00:26:39
the weekends parties and that type of
00:26:40
thing but I also was quite involved with
00:26:43
surf life saving and on the weekends I
00:26:45
was heading up to mount maunganui to uh
00:26:49
train with I joined the mount maunganui
00:26:51
Surf Club and I was training up there
00:26:54
with them so yeah I I guess I did I you
00:26:57
know I missed things like my
00:27:00
um
00:27:00
year 13 high school ball things like
00:27:03
that but I guess I've
00:27:06
you know I was especially once I left
00:27:08
school I wasn't a part of that
00:27:10
University scene that all my friends
00:27:12
went it was really everyone went to
00:27:14
University went to Dunedin
00:27:16
um and you know that was just what I was
00:27:19
I moved here to Auckland and I began
00:27:23
training full-time yeah are you still
00:27:26
friends with like good friends with any
00:27:27
of them now and most of your friends
00:27:28
sort of like kayakers and the same sort
00:27:31
of circle or step yeah and I've I feel
00:27:34
fortunate I've got some still really
00:27:36
good friends from home so
00:27:38
um a bunch of them are you know whether
00:27:41
they've been in sport or that type of
00:27:43
thing and a bunch have moved home so
00:27:45
it's nice to have those connections but
00:27:47
yeah I mean I do spend a lot of my time
00:27:49
with my training partner with my
00:27:51
teammates it's just that natural I think
00:27:53
um yeah like whatever you're doing you
00:27:55
know people spend time with their work
00:27:56
group or whatever it's just what
00:27:58
naturally happens your old friends you
00:27:59
make them call call your Dame though
00:28:01
right of course
00:28:03
how cool is that
00:28:06
um can we for a second touch upon um
00:28:09
like your body and Body Image
00:28:12
um there is like one of your nicknames I
00:28:14
mentioned at the beginning of this
00:28:15
golden guns
00:28:17
um seems like this whenever you see an
00:28:19
interview like there's a lot of talk
00:28:20
about about you know yeah you know about
00:28:22
how you look and you've got like a body
00:28:25
that is perfect for functioning at the
00:28:27
absolute highest level for what you do
00:28:30
um I mean does it does does it bother
00:28:33
you people even like mentioning it or
00:28:34
bringing it up uh I guess are you
00:28:37
self-conscious about it yeah I'm
00:28:38
definitely self-conscious about it I
00:28:40
think
00:28:41
I you know it's not normal to see
00:28:44
someone like me walking down the street
00:28:46
and especially if I'm in a singlet what
00:28:48
do you mean just because you you can't
00:28:50
reject yeah yeah so I guess
00:28:53
um I don't really
00:28:55
enjoy being looked at like that and
00:28:57
whether people
00:28:59
um are doing it or not I guess I do feel
00:29:01
self-conscious because that's something
00:29:03
that people will say to me yeah so I I
00:29:07
guess it's it's about not caring about
00:29:11
what people think
00:29:12
um loving who I am and that's something
00:29:15
that I think that we I'm constantly
00:29:18
working on so yeah I'm guessing
00:29:21
um knowing you as well is what I do
00:29:22
which is is not that well um but you
00:29:25
know if someone says to you man you're
00:29:26
you're jacked or whatever you'll be like
00:29:27
oh thanks and laugh it off but I mean
00:29:29
like the you know do you sort of eye
00:29:31
roll on the inside that someone would
00:29:32
even bring it up uh I don't know I think
00:29:35
it's and what context or how the how
00:29:39
it's coming across
00:29:40
um I think if it's
00:29:43
um joking or yeah it's I guess it's it's
00:29:47
interesting that that has to bother me
00:29:50
um but yeah it definitely and I don't
00:29:53
always like being talk you know I guess
00:29:56
the attention I don't want the attention
00:29:57
so I'll just wear a t-shirt or a long
00:29:59
sleeve or something so I can just people
00:30:01
just see me for me yeah yeah
00:30:04
I I've got some female friends that are
00:30:06
scared to go to f-45 because they're
00:30:08
like oh no I don't wanna I don't want to
00:30:09
do any weights because I might get like
00:30:10
biceps look you know you look at you
00:30:13
you've been you've been working day in
00:30:14
day out bloody hard for like a Dozen
00:30:17
Years
00:30:18
um and and you know [ __ ] your body does
00:30:21
what it needs to do to be the absolute
00:30:23
best in the world yeah absolutely and I
00:30:25
think that's part of it it's like this I
00:30:28
I do work really hard and I don't love
00:30:30
going to the gym and I love paddling
00:30:34
um and I love being strong and I love
00:30:36
being fast powerful so absolutely and
00:30:39
this is yeah if this is what my body
00:30:42
turns into because those are the things
00:30:43
I love it's it's I guess that's just a
00:30:46
representation of what I've done yeah
00:30:48
um do you binge at all yeah
00:30:50
should we both see our current numbers
00:30:53
on the count of three
00:30:55
okay okay one two three
00:30:59
what
00:31:01
yeah that's a 20 kilo bar and 220 plates
00:31:05
either side yeah wow just for one though
00:31:07
right that's yeah yeah and I haven't
00:31:10
done a max bench press for a while but
00:31:14
um
00:31:15
yeah
00:31:19
um yeah I mean my and we do bench pull
00:31:21
which is not like a bar uh like lying
00:31:25
flat right on a horizontal on a bench
00:31:27
and lifting as well so that's stronger
00:31:30
for me yeah
00:31:31
um so yeah but I mean it's awesome to be
00:31:34
strong absolutely
00:31:36
when you and your husband move into a
00:31:38
house like you were helping them yeah
00:31:39
with the fridge would I read in an
00:31:41
interview somewhere yeah it's a little
00:31:43
bit annoying sometimes I'm just tired
00:31:46
from Chinese like can you help me
00:31:48
um okay then yes retired from training
00:31:51
so what is um
00:31:53
like what does an average day look like
00:31:54
for you so so we're recording this in
00:31:56
November
00:31:58
um so it's sort of an easy easy time at
00:32:00
the moment or yeah so the the week is it
00:32:04
flows Ebbs and flows so
00:32:06
um like today uh as a Wednesday
00:32:10
um I peddled for two hours this morning
00:32:12
and then I went to gym at 11 and we did
00:32:15
some kind of stability rotational kind
00:32:19
of strength training
00:32:20
um and then I have the rest of the
00:32:22
afternoon off so that's that's just
00:32:25
today okay so two hours this morning so
00:32:27
what time are we talking I'm on the
00:32:29
water at seven okay so you get to get up
00:32:31
at six have a breakfast yeah yeah and I
00:32:34
mean we I mean we're in Auckland uh and
00:32:36
New Zealand so uh it gets windy so we
00:32:39
have to get and we're not on super early
00:32:41
at least it's late
00:32:43
um but most of our training's done
00:32:44
around then what's what what's involved
00:32:47
in that two hours uh so this morning
00:32:49
because it was two hours it was just
00:32:50
like an endurance
00:32:52
um endurance pedal just paddling around
00:32:55
Lake pupuke around and around what sort
00:32:58
of effort you talked before about okay
00:33:01
I have like a
00:33:04
like a low endurance level so like a
00:33:07
running equivalent of just going for a
00:33:08
long easy route yeah okay yeah that's
00:33:09
right building cardiovascular fitness
00:33:11
you enjoy that yeah I do yeah yeah
00:33:14
especially when you're fat and I think
00:33:16
you might I might not enjoy it if I go a
00:33:19
little bit too hard at the start and
00:33:21
then I you know burnt too many matches
00:33:23
and I'm crawling home but
00:33:25
um yeah Pace it well and it's good yeah
00:33:28
do you know the matches where does the
00:33:29
mattress analogy come from because I've
00:33:31
heard that as well I think I heard it
00:33:32
from Cameron Brown yeah
00:33:35
um I don't know actually
00:33:37
um
00:33:38
just a
00:33:40
something we say if you've um yeah yes
00:33:44
how would you explain it to anyone
00:33:46
that's listening there hasn't hasn't
00:33:47
heard the match's analogy before
00:33:49
um I guess it's it's you know you only
00:33:52
have so many matches so if you don't
00:33:53
want to burn them all yeah so you can go
00:33:55
easy go easy forever but you do a long
00:33:57
burst and that's like burning a match
00:33:58
yeah if you start too hard uh burning
00:34:01
your energy I guess it's like um putting
00:34:03
gas on the fire then you've got no more
00:34:05
uh energy to burn yeah so when you're
00:34:08
doing your 200 events you're building
00:34:09
the whole [ __ ] box
00:34:11
all at once that's right yeah oh yeah so
00:34:14
you go for two hours then you go home
00:34:16
have a have a shake or some breakfast or
00:34:18
something yeah that's right you go home
00:34:20
um some breakfast and then and a coffee
00:34:22
and then I'm back in the gym for how
00:34:25
long another couple of hours an hour in
00:34:27
the gym yeah so it ranges you know
00:34:28
depending on what we're working on
00:34:31
what's the phase of training
00:34:33
um yeah and I guess and another day like
00:34:36
a Monday we uh on the water in the
00:34:38
morning for just over an hour back in
00:34:40
the gym at 11 and then back on the water
00:34:43
in the afternoon around 3 3 30 for uh
00:34:46
for some sprints
00:34:49
so it's you it's always at least two
00:34:51
trainings each day mostly yeah yeah yeah
00:34:54
yeah except for a Saturday where we do a
00:34:56
long a long pedal
00:34:58
um longer than two hours oh two hours as
00:35:00
long yeah so who's who's out there doing
00:35:03
it when you're doing this two hours is
00:35:04
it is it just you or there are others
00:35:06
yes I have a
00:35:07
okay so I'm training in the high
00:35:10
performance women's team so we have a
00:35:13
number of other females
00:35:14
um and we was around I guess and yeah we
00:35:18
we go training
00:35:19
man this is what it takes eh
00:35:26
yeah and I suppose um
00:35:27
I don't know if you think of it this way
00:35:29
but it's like you know we we see you on
00:35:30
TV every four years most new zealanders
00:35:33
I know you've won like 12 World titles
00:35:35
or whatever but new zealanders don't
00:35:36
really know about the world Champs we
00:35:37
know about the Olympics and the club
00:35:39
games yeah so you're not a Commonwealth
00:35:40
Games events so every four years we're
00:35:42
like oh is it carrier that's still
00:35:43
kicking ass we don't see the
00:35:46
um 1 200 days in between where you're
00:35:48
working twice daily to get that Peak
00:35:52
every four years yeah so it's a lot of
00:35:54
time in the shadows yeah that's right
00:35:56
and well I guess
00:35:59
um
00:36:00
that's what I guess that's what sport is
00:36:02
you know you're not always going to be
00:36:04
in the spotlight and I don't know that
00:36:07
um
00:36:08
I guess that's not where the work's done
00:36:10
you know the work's done
00:36:11
um in the shadows or in your own time on
00:36:14
the water and the gym
00:36:15
and being proud of yourself yeah
00:36:19
so do you do you have like a rest day
00:36:21
each week or anything like that yeah
00:36:23
yeah so uh Sunday yeah Sunday's our rest
00:36:25
day and I mean if we do one training
00:36:28
session on the Saturday even most of
00:36:29
Saturday is the rest days so so what's
00:36:33
like I mean you're married man you've
00:36:34
got a dog about it but what does an
00:36:36
average Saturday night look like so you
00:36:38
might go after dinner with some friends
00:36:39
yeah yeah great dinner with some friends
00:36:42
um or have a barbecue love we love
00:36:45
barbecuing so I have people over
00:36:48
um or literally just watching Netflix
00:36:51
yeah and right now the rugby so oh my
00:36:54
God how good the women's rugby that game
00:36:56
the semi-final game last weekend
00:36:58
phenomenal oh my gosh it's just been so
00:37:01
amazing watching them yeah um and I feel
00:37:04
you know everyone jumps on the bandwagon
00:37:06
it's like oh they're so amazing but even
00:37:09
me like I'm like man I feel so
00:37:10
privileged to be able to you know have
00:37:13
had conversations be able to chat with
00:37:15
these girls
00:37:16
um especially uh being an Olympian
00:37:18
alongside some of the sevens players who
00:37:20
are in the team so you feel that extra
00:37:22
connection you're like man that's so
00:37:24
cool I love it yeah that's really good
00:37:27
um I heard you um like when you're at
00:37:28
the Olympics you stay off social media
00:37:30
yeah yeah you do yeah it's yeah I I
00:37:34
think it's a huge distraction for me in
00:37:36
what way
00:37:38
um
00:37:39
I guess that's not where my mind needs
00:37:41
to be in a way so
00:37:43
um it's looking outward looking at what
00:37:45
what's happening
00:37:47
um in the world or what other people are
00:37:49
going through and particularly if you
00:37:51
follow the other
00:37:53
Olympians or Olympic accounts or those
00:37:57
types of things sporting accounts you're
00:37:58
saying uh you know lots of sport coming
00:38:01
up all the time so it is incredible it's
00:38:03
distracting
00:38:05
um and it's hard not to uh get so feel
00:38:09
the pressure when you see it oh God yeah
00:38:11
and so you used to have news sites as
00:38:13
well like yeah so when you're in Tokyo
00:38:15
you're not on stuff.co.nz no no way yeah
00:38:18
because of that reason it's just puts
00:38:20
too much too much pressure yeah and I
00:38:23
don't need to read
00:38:24
um the expectation of well Lisa
00:38:27
Carrington might when you know be the
00:38:29
most decorated Olympian after this
00:38:31
Olympics she may win a gold medal
00:38:33
tomorrow you've got to watch it so I
00:38:36
think that's yeah that's kind of it
00:38:38
brings it right in front of me that wow
00:38:41
what if I lose
00:38:44
um what if someone's saying this but
00:38:45
what if I don't meet that expectation
00:38:47
absolutely
00:38:48
do you have those sort of moments of um
00:38:50
self-doubt what do you do you have a
00:38:52
dream do you have a dream where where
00:38:55
you're peddling and you just can't move
00:38:58
the boat or yeah uh honestly I've had
00:39:02
running dreams before and I'm like I'm
00:39:04
oh there's no pressure on me no one
00:39:06
gives a [ __ ] about what I do I'm running
00:39:07
for personal best and that's it but I
00:39:10
sometimes have dreams that I'm at the
00:39:11
start of a race and that goes off and I
00:39:13
just can't move yeah
00:39:15
um I don't have dreams like that but I I
00:39:17
definitely have had dreams where I can't
00:39:18
run away
00:39:19
um but uh yeah I I guess it yeah I do
00:39:24
have doubt and I guess that's kind of
00:39:28
the you know that little birdie or that
00:39:31
fear that's just sitting there it goes
00:39:32
what if you're not good enough
00:39:34
and I guess in a way it's like
00:39:37
being okay that you know that's also a
00:39:39
part of me that I have dealt and I have
00:39:41
a fear that I may fail
00:39:43
um but it's kind of having the tools and
00:39:45
go well actually I'm doing it because I
00:39:47
just want to see how well I can go like
00:39:50
what can I do can I step up to the plate
00:39:54
um am I good enough I guess you know
00:39:56
maybe I'm not but it doesn't matter hmm
00:40:00
I suppose that's like you're um you're
00:40:02
in a critical you're getting a voice and
00:40:04
it but is it mostly good that that in a
00:40:06
voice uh I think I think it could be
00:40:09
better I
00:40:13
yeah I think
00:40:15
you know I guess in in sport it's always
00:40:19
like what what's next especially with
00:40:22
what I've uh
00:40:24
what I've managed to do is constantly
00:40:25
have that growth over the last
00:40:28
um 10 or so years and it's like okay how
00:40:30
can I do it better how can I improve
00:40:32
that's not good enough okay my
00:40:34
expectation today my training session
00:40:36
was to meet this standard I didn't meet
00:40:38
it so does that mean I'm not good or
00:40:41
does that equal does that mean I'm not
00:40:42
gonna perform and at the next Olympics
00:40:45
or those types of things so and also
00:40:48
it's
00:40:49
um
00:40:50
and then just the normal immature
00:40:53
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00:40:54
being a human thoughts like I'm not
00:40:56
smart enough I need to if I'm going out
00:40:59
in public I need to dress well look good
00:41:01
put makeup on do my hair all those types
00:41:05
of things so yeah there's always there's
00:41:07
always that little critic but it's kind
00:41:09
of just managing it okay that's that's
00:41:12
how I feel but what what am I here today
00:41:14
was that actually important yeah what do
00:41:18
you have you had to put a percentage on
00:41:19
it like what percentage do you think is
00:41:20
um like negative and mean to yourself
00:41:21
like that and what percentage is yeah
00:41:24
yeah you're good Lisa you got yeah I
00:41:26
think owning it and the tighter I am the
00:41:29
brick it risk it's really tough yeah so
00:41:34
um as the weeks go by and as I we do
00:41:36
like a month training cycle
00:41:39
um so we do three weeks on one week off
00:41:41
kind of thing and so by week three yeah
00:41:44
it's really tough to stay on top of
00:41:47
those thoughts yeah
00:41:49
that's amazing by the way thank you for
00:41:51
sharing that it's so it's so good to
00:41:53
hear that coming from you because your
00:41:54
Lisa [ __ ]
00:41:55
you're you're yeah it's amazing the more
00:41:58
the minds
00:42:00
um I want to get to this shortly you've
00:42:02
seen Sports psychologists over the years
00:42:03
have have you ever seen a psychologist
00:42:05
like just for your own personal self or
00:42:07
has it always just been a sporting one
00:42:08
uh
00:42:09
amazing thing is up and I would have the
00:42:11
same sport psychologist since I started
00:42:13
so
00:42:14
um and yeah it is mostly personal I
00:42:18
guess because sport whether I think
00:42:22
who you are who you bring to sport or
00:42:25
physical performance
00:42:28
um is so important so yeah there may be
00:42:30
some performance aspects of psychology
00:42:33
but mostly it's who you are so we're I'm
00:42:36
constantly working on
00:42:38
being better trying to drop like
00:42:42
um what's expected of me uh if I
00:42:46
accidentally upset someone
00:42:48
um if I you know people judge me because
00:42:51
of my muscles or
00:42:53
that type of thing so constantly working
00:42:55
on you know what what am I most afraid
00:42:58
of what are the behaviors and habits I
00:43:01
do that
00:43:03
um have been crafted to protect myself
00:43:06
and from that fear
00:43:09
so if you have a like a bad interaction
00:43:11
with someone do you like to think about
00:43:13
on the drive home or later that day when
00:43:15
you're in the shower you're like oh yeah
00:43:17
right run through you might how you
00:43:19
could have handled that differently yeah
00:43:20
absolutely it's so normal it's not good
00:43:22
though I I started seeing a therapist a
00:43:25
few years ago and she told me whenever
00:43:26
you find yourself having negative
00:43:28
thoughts or thinking just and you catch
00:43:30
yourself doing it just pause and ask
00:43:33
yourself is this helpful and it never is
00:43:35
and then yeah it's easier said than done
00:43:37
though isn't it absolutely and I think
00:43:38
it's also what state you're only tired
00:43:40
like have you had a good night's sleep
00:43:44
um and but you must you said it said
00:43:47
it's worse for you like the inner voice
00:43:48
and the inner critic when you're when
00:43:49
you're tired you I'm guessing you're
00:43:51
more tired than most people
00:43:53
like you're waking out twice twice a day
00:43:55
yeah I guess it's a different tired yeah
00:43:58
I mean I can't speak for someone that
00:44:00
works super hard during the day like
00:44:02
it's a different thing so I mean I'm
00:44:05
physically tired yes and uh for me my
00:44:10
body is
00:44:12
um it is my job so I will uh rest and
00:44:16
recover because that's what's going to
00:44:18
make me better
00:44:20
do you um do you know much about
00:44:22
imposter syndrome do you think there's
00:44:23
like a like a degree of that with you or
00:44:25
not yeah not really I don't know too
00:44:28
much about that but I mean
00:44:30
yeah
00:44:32
I guess you've got for me it's
00:44:35
I try to keep myself so grounded
00:44:38
um and and I think too that's like a
00:44:39
kiwi thing and maybe it's not always so
00:44:41
good because we're like oh we don't want
00:44:42
to speak up too loud we don't want to
00:44:44
shine too much because someone will drag
00:44:46
you down and
00:44:48
um so but also it's kind of
00:44:52
I think for me if you know
00:44:55
I I think I can do better at being
00:44:58
um
00:44:59
being comfortable with being strong
00:45:01
being a woman being being good at what I
00:45:05
do yeah oh absolutely you deserve to be
00:45:07
and um you're you're a journaler as well
00:45:10
right you you Journal Dave yeah
00:45:12
absolutely yeah how does that look for
00:45:13
you is it first thing in the morning is
00:45:15
it lasting at night yeah yeah I mean
00:45:18
something that's always stuck is first
00:45:20
thing in the morning so you know wake up
00:45:22
make a coffee
00:45:25
um and journal and I think like there's
00:45:27
I've trialled little bits and pieces of
00:45:30
um you know doing it in the evening and
00:45:33
different times of the day but it's just
00:45:35
so easy from I'm a morning person so if
00:45:38
I want something to stick I've got to do
00:45:39
it in the morning
00:45:40
it's like doing the emails that you've
00:45:43
got to get back to someone okay I'll do
00:45:44
it in the morning
00:45:46
so so um so when you journal in the
00:45:49
morning is that um is it like I'm just
00:45:52
trying to get a grasp of it sort of dear
00:45:55
diary there's a sort of mapping out your
00:45:57
day or is it just writing down what you
00:45:59
what you're grateful for is it like a
00:46:00
gratitude journal or yeah like it's it's
00:46:02
kind of all those things so
00:46:04
um I'll probably touch on
00:46:06
um the day before uh what went well uh
00:46:09
and then I'll yeah go into the day ahead
00:46:12
and I'll be like okay what am I
00:46:15
um what am I looking forward to
00:46:18
um often now it's uh especially because
00:46:21
I'll if it's a really busy day I'll be
00:46:22
like hey you got this you can turn up
00:46:24
just be in the moment have
00:46:26
um I guess have a I know a concept for
00:46:30
the day like how I'm gonna approach it
00:46:32
so
00:46:33
for this morning I guess I wrote
00:46:37
something like I had a long session this
00:46:39
morning so it's okay just stay in the
00:46:41
moment enjoy being on the water for two
00:46:43
hours uh what working on my technique
00:46:46
um making the most of the moment uh then
00:46:48
it's enjoying having you know a
00:46:51
breakfast and coffee with a friend just
00:46:53
enjoy that and I always write today's
00:46:55
going to be a good day
00:46:57
really that's how you sort of end it
00:46:59
yeah yeah how long have you been doing
00:47:01
that
00:47:01
uh I think since oh a little while so
00:47:06
maybe since uh
00:47:08
2015. oh [ __ ] ages yeah like diligently
00:47:11
and religiously yeah wow yeah it's a
00:47:14
really like I because I really love
00:47:17
coffee
00:47:21
picks me up in the morning so especially
00:47:23
when I'm overseas so I'll take you know
00:47:26
we have I'll grind my own beans and I'll
00:47:28
make a little Brew
00:47:30
um that's the whole process yeah that's
00:47:32
the process and then just sitting down
00:47:33
uh writing it out and so I I don't know
00:47:38
it's something that really anchors me
00:47:39
for the day and I find that you know for
00:47:42
me planning is super important and I
00:47:45
find I have to not that I'm incredibly
00:47:47
good at it but it's something I know I
00:47:49
need to do to stay on top of everything
00:47:52
um uh so I'll plan so I'll just what
00:47:55
have I got today okay cool when I'm
00:47:57
gonna eat when am I gonna have my rest
00:47:59
make the most of the rest and looking
00:48:00
forward locking your head it's like oh
00:48:02
man it's going to be a busy week so
00:48:06
when I need to go to bed early those
00:48:08
types of things yeah yeah what sort of
00:48:10
time are you in bed uh I you know it
00:48:12
does range a little bit but I am mostly
00:48:14
asleep by 9 30. yeah yeah
00:48:17
that's so cool about the journaling um
00:48:19
something else that you said that's just
00:48:22
been it's been playing on My Mind
00:48:23
through this this whole chat
00:48:25
um just that you worry about
00:48:27
um like what people think about you
00:48:28
because I'm thinking like
00:48:31
you I I can't imagine anyone would ever
00:48:34
have a bad word to say about you do you
00:48:36
know do you mean like Strangers Like New
00:48:38
zealanders in general or do you mean
00:48:39
like people that you know yeah both
00:48:41
probably I think it and maybe that's
00:48:45
what I've curated just to be not too
00:48:47
outspoken
00:48:49
um to not have sides or particular
00:48:52
opinions on things
00:48:54
um not to you know really piss people
00:48:56
off
00:48:57
um
00:49:03
and I I love those people because they
00:49:06
this is not important no it's not me
00:49:09
yeah and I think also I know that I'll
00:49:11
prob I might change my mind what I say
00:49:13
isn't always going to be maybe what I
00:49:15
believe the next day so
00:49:18
um if I'm gonna say something I've got
00:49:19
to be sure that it's the right thing
00:49:22
that's unbelievable like you're one of
00:49:24
the most loved people in New Zealand
00:49:26
like no one no I'm I mean this like
00:49:29
sincerely like a
00:49:30
everyone adores Dame Lisa character like
00:49:34
for you you know as I said like we don't
00:49:36
we don't see you in the shadows like we
00:49:38
don't see you day in day out we we see
00:49:39
you every four years but you're smiling
00:49:41
you usually got a gold medal so it's
00:49:44
amazing that you'd worry about what
00:49:46
people hey so you know that people like
00:49:48
people love you are you just worried
00:49:50
that you'll say the wrong thing and
00:49:52
they'll turn on you yeah and or I'll
00:49:54
hurt someone you know I think it's not
00:49:56
nice to be on the other end of something
00:49:58
that someone said and it been yeah not
00:50:01
nice at all so I I guess but that's
00:50:05
um you know that's a work on just not to
00:50:08
no I would I don't want the thing is I
00:50:10
don't want to take anything away from
00:50:12
someone
00:50:14
um but I'd love to uplift them so yeah
00:50:16
at the very least I don't want to take
00:50:19
anything away yeah I like that I like
00:50:22
that a lot so my um during my radio
00:50:25
career like it was my sort of job to be
00:50:27
kind of polarizing and poke the beer a
00:50:28
little bit and push boundaries and um
00:50:30
I'm in a space now where I I don't have
00:50:33
to do that and I don't want to do that
00:50:34
and I like the sort of conversations I'm
00:50:36
having now and I'm probably the same as
00:50:38
you like I just don't want to Life's
00:50:39
hard enough for people I so I don't want
00:50:41
to do anything that's going to make
00:50:42
anyone feel bad yeah and I I think too
00:50:45
it's something that I've I really have
00:50:48
enjoyed it's something I've learned over
00:50:50
the years is just learning to have
00:50:52
empathy for people you know what their
00:50:54
situations and I think when I can really
00:50:57
maybe someone does something super
00:50:59
strange I don't understand but go well
00:51:01
actually I don't know what they're going
00:51:03
through and it doesn't have to bother me
00:51:05
just let it go yeah yeah well that's
00:51:08
cool well
00:51:10
um during the uh the Olympics in Tokyo
00:51:12
last year after one of your gold medal
00:51:13
ones you made a speech and I I tried to
00:51:15
find it online um I couldn't find it
00:51:17
online but you said something like um
00:51:19
you've got like a love hate relationship
00:51:21
with the sport do you remember that you
00:51:23
said you love it or you had and you hate
00:51:24
it at the same time maybe
00:51:26
the 500 event yeah yes the camera 500
00:51:30
what's that mean exactly
00:51:32
um it is the toughest race
00:51:36
um so it demands
00:51:38
everything from me so
00:51:40
uh for me to race that race the way that
00:51:45
I can I have to be incredibly confident
00:51:48
it is going to hurt and I just have to
00:51:51
push all the boundaries so for me I love
00:51:54
it because it pulls me into a space that
00:51:56
I'm afraid to go into physically
00:51:59
mentally
00:52:00
and mostly it is probably I'm just
00:52:03
afraid of hurting because it's a it's a
00:52:07
minute 50 give or take and
00:52:10
um in some cases it gets comfortable for
00:52:12
maybe the first 20 seconds yeah and then
00:52:14
and then it's it is a tough race because
00:52:17
you have to have a good strategy around
00:52:19
it you don't just go and go as hard as
00:52:21
you can there's a pacing element to it
00:52:23
but you're still sprinting so
00:52:26
yeah oh that makes perfect sense I think
00:52:29
anyone that does any sort of um
00:52:31
sport regardless of what the level
00:52:32
they're at if they try and do the best
00:52:34
they can I think everyone can probably
00:52:36
relate to that the feeling of like
00:52:38
putting yourself willingly in The Hurt
00:52:39
Locker absolutely and I I am not one to
00:52:42
put myself in a place where I might fail
00:52:45
or
00:52:46
um it's going to hurt so
00:52:49
that's why that event is so it's kind of
00:52:53
it's helped me kind of realize my
00:52:56
potential yeah
00:52:58
can we spend a little bit of time
00:53:00
talking about your partner and your dog
00:53:01
yeah so your your husband you're married
00:53:04
now right yes I am you guys got married
00:53:06
in March oh congratulations
00:53:09
how was the wedding it was great yeah I
00:53:12
guess at that time we could only have a
00:53:14
hundred people um at the wedding so
00:53:16
it's crazy we're not in that world
00:53:19
anymore
00:53:20
um but yeah it was the Wicked day
00:53:23
um yeah the the foods the my family my
00:53:27
friends
00:53:28
um yeah it was the coolest time yeah so
00:53:31
what's his name you call him bucky bucky
00:53:33
yeah Michael and you guys have been
00:53:35
together for like a million years yeah
00:53:37
since I was 20. so before before you
00:53:40
were dameless before the golds before
00:53:42
all that she's been with you through
00:53:43
your entire career yeah yeah yeah he has
00:53:46
what's the um what's the the meat cute
00:53:48
how did you guys how did you guys meet
00:53:49
was it Love at First Sight yeah uh so
00:53:53
yeah we met through uh mutual friends um
00:53:56
he also did uh surf life saving so I
00:54:00
knew who Bucky was he's a little bit
00:54:01
older than me so as a 16 year old I was
00:54:05
like he was you know he was on the beach
00:54:07
and he was winning races and I was like
00:54:09
hmm how old was he like 20 yeah or 22 or
00:54:13
something like that yeah so you know I
00:54:16
think yeah
00:54:17
and so maybe and then I don't know like
00:54:21
four years later it was I knew who this
00:54:23
guy was and
00:54:25
um yeah we just hit it off yeah it's
00:54:28
amazing yeah well it's it's so good that
00:54:30
he's been there you know before all the
00:54:32
success before everything else and how
00:54:34
um
00:54:35
so he's got sort of a bit of an
00:54:37
understanding about the sport yeah but
00:54:39
like not the same level as you coach
00:54:41
Gordon Walker or other people around you
00:54:42
so when you're when you're in your hotel
00:54:45
room at Tokyo or wherever it happens to
00:54:47
be and it's the day before an event and
00:54:48
you're a bit stressed or whatever like
00:54:50
what sort of conversation do you have
00:54:51
with him
00:54:54
over the years you know what how I react
00:54:57
and I think I just want when we're
00:55:00
having a conversation it's kind of
00:55:03
I don't know it's whatever I feel in the
00:55:05
moment it's just like what are you up to
00:55:07
you know how's the water
00:55:09
um and if he'll kind of wait like what
00:55:12
I'm prepared to go into
00:55:15
um and all right let's use the lead
00:55:16
conversation yeah yeah but
00:55:20
I'm
00:55:27
at the moment means so much
00:55:29
um I've worked so hard and I guess it's
00:55:32
the fear of you know what could happen
00:55:35
um I could win Wow that's scary but um
00:55:38
but that's the that's the relieving
00:55:40
result right that's the best case
00:55:42
scenario yeah exactly that's a best case
00:55:44
scenario but there's plenty of other
00:55:46
things that could happen too but what is
00:55:49
because I mentioned the Hamish coup the
00:55:50
high jumper earlier and um he finished
00:55:52
10th at the Olympic Games last year
00:55:54
which is the best result for a New
00:55:55
Zealand male high jump River and in the
00:55:57
tournament just before that I think the
00:55:59
World Champ so maybe one before that he
00:56:00
did what's called a no jump so he had
00:56:02
three attempts didn't get any of them
00:56:04
and he was talking to his um
00:56:06
psychologist about that and Mexico just
00:56:08
like what's the worst thing that happens
00:56:09
that is it it's no jump so you're
00:56:12
getting and it's like it's not the it's
00:56:13
not actually that big a deal for you
00:56:15
what is the what's the worst thing that
00:56:16
could happen uh just falling out of the
00:56:19
boat yes we're literally falling out and
00:56:21
not not uh not starting yeah not
00:56:23
starting not finishing yeah but you come
00:56:25
on that's an irrational worst case
00:56:27
scenario yeah absolutely yeah and I
00:56:29
think how many I don't know the last
00:56:31
time I fell in on the lake but yet that
00:56:34
that is what could happen
00:56:37
athlete ever what a way to end your
00:56:40
career but real realistically though
00:56:43
like I I know that mine's a tricky thing
00:56:45
and the mind can play terrible tricks on
00:56:47
you but the worst case scenario is you
00:56:49
have a shocker of a race and you finish
00:56:50
in the middle of the field yeah really
00:56:52
yeah absolutely and I think you know as
00:56:55
that will be disappointing
00:56:56
um
00:56:57
or would be disappointing but
00:57:01
I guess you just have to process it and
00:57:03
figure out
00:57:04
um okay so what's important is it
00:57:06
winning yeah I mean that is that would
00:57:08
be awesome but it didn't happen today so
00:57:11
I and I think like hey Mr like through
00:57:14
experience there's some stuff some worse
00:57:16
things that happen I guess as and the
00:57:18
older you get the more you experience
00:57:20
and the more things you can draw on and
00:57:21
go remember that time that I did this
00:57:24
and that was absolutely fine yeah yeah
00:57:26
absolutely
00:57:29
um it was also an article on NBC that
00:57:31
committed compared you to Simone biles
00:57:33
like the American gymnast
00:57:35
um
00:57:36
do you like do you read articles like
00:57:38
that does it make you feel good are you
00:57:40
okay just sort of brushing it aside how
00:57:41
do you feel about it yeah I mean I do
00:57:44
remember the interview and it's kind of
00:57:45
I guess the opportunity was that it was
00:57:48
an American
00:57:50
um article and to you know have their
00:57:52
reach but
00:57:53
I think yeah I mean it was awesome that
00:57:56
I think it was more so for the sport to
00:57:58
recognize that you know that kayaking is
00:58:01
a big sport
00:58:03
um and
00:58:05
you know to be compared to to her is
00:58:08
awesome that I can get that recognition
00:58:09
and our sport get the recognition yeah
00:58:12
so cool
00:58:13
um
00:58:15
there was um oh another thing about you
00:58:17
so um your favorite quotas from um
00:58:19
President Roosevelt the man in the arena
00:58:22
yeah yeah I I want to tell us to ask you
00:58:24
like why is that your favorite quote
00:58:26
because to me that feels like a speech
00:58:28
about someone who's tried and failed and
00:58:30
yeah and basically trolls beating up on
00:58:32
someone that you know what I mean yeah
00:58:35
so I guess that as I every kind of uh
00:58:40
moment I go through there'll be
00:58:41
different things that draw on and
00:58:43
something that takes me back to 2019
00:58:46
when
00:58:47
um I was just figuring out
00:58:51
um you know how to perform what if
00:58:54
um I guess it what that quote did for me
00:58:57
is it allowed me to be okay with just
00:59:00
trying uh if I fail it's gonna be fine
00:59:04
um and I guess that gave me confidence
00:59:07
encourage that it's it's just okay to
00:59:09
stand up and perform or and be the best
00:59:13
regardless of what the results exactly
00:59:15
and I think you know what's amazing you
00:59:18
know is that there will be certain
00:59:20
quotes or things that resonate uh
00:59:24
different periods of or phases in your
00:59:26
life sorry that was something I remember
00:59:30
um in 2019 I was listening to brene
00:59:33
Brown a lot and she was yeah
00:59:36
and yeah that was something
00:59:38
spoke about yeah so I loved it I really
00:59:42
resonated in that moment so is it still
00:59:44
your favorite quote now three years on
00:59:45
was it a different one now I don't I
00:59:47
can't it's Pro it won't be that one and
00:59:50
I can't think of one for you right now
00:59:52
but
00:59:53
um yeah there's um there's one which is
00:59:56
all it's always been relevant I think it
00:59:58
goes along something like
01:00:00
um
01:00:01
at you're never the same or it's never
01:00:04
the same river and you're not the same
01:00:06
man something like that
01:00:08
uh so you know even though you're never
01:00:12
going to be the same person yeah if
01:00:15
you're walking the same you're never yes
01:00:16
never the same person never the same
01:00:18
river so yeah we're always changing yeah
01:00:21
saying the world differently all the
01:00:23
time yeah I I think change is good too
01:00:25
it's one of those ones one of those
01:00:27
things we often it's used um
01:00:29
is is an insult in a way like someone
01:00:31
will say you know say I've got some old
01:00:33
friends and they asked me to go out I'm
01:00:34
like I don't want to go out tonight
01:00:35
they'll be like you know you've changed
01:00:36
I feel like and I feel like it'd be
01:00:39
worse to say you're you're the same you
01:00:42
know I feel like we're all changing all
01:00:43
the time and I think that's a great
01:00:45
thing but I think too like there's
01:00:46
obviously some foundational
01:00:49
um there's always going to be your
01:00:50
values and I think that they will never
01:00:52
change but the way you see the world
01:00:55
will change through experience
01:00:58
um yeah and I love that because
01:01:02
I think that's all we're trying to do is
01:01:04
just see the world see more of the world
01:01:07
and especially through other people's
01:01:09
perspectives and I think that's what's
01:01:11
awesome about working with people having
01:01:13
my teammates I get to see how they view
01:01:16
it not just how my way is the only way
01:01:18
to do something yeah
01:01:20
yeah are you are you kind of a control
01:01:22
freak in a way when you're on the water
01:01:25
when it comes to yeah yeah I think so
01:01:28
um yeah absolutely yeah I I don't mean
01:01:30
that a negative one as well it's like
01:01:31
there's definitely some control elements
01:01:33
because
01:01:34
um there's always going to be a standard
01:01:36
that I have to hold because that's what
01:01:38
performance is I'm not there just to
01:01:40
just to have a good time
01:01:42
um I'm there to get the most out of the
01:01:44
moment to to be better but I think
01:01:47
that's what's great is like can you is
01:01:49
there an ability to keep what's most
01:01:50
important but be flexible Yeah well yeah
01:01:53
so one of your gold medals that you won
01:01:55
in Tokyo that was with a part that was a
01:01:56
K2 yeah Caitlyn Regal yeah yeah now I
01:02:00
was I was um thinking about her that
01:02:02
must have been
01:02:03
like were you quite um empathetic
01:02:05
empathetic with her because it's like
01:02:07
you you win all these events I mean
01:02:09
suddenly you're in a vote with another
01:02:10
person if you don't win everyone's gonna
01:02:13
everyone's gonna be like well we know
01:02:15
it's not Lisa like were you were you
01:02:17
sort of aware of that or not really not
01:02:19
really
01:02:21
um I think it's kind of because like the
01:02:23
dude is it something that she spoke to
01:02:25
you about at all like the nerves and the
01:02:27
pressure on her yeah absolutely no
01:02:29
that's not something that
01:02:32
um I ever spoke to her about I think you
01:02:34
know we because we train together and
01:02:36
she is an incredible athlete so yeah
01:02:39
yeah we uh I mean she's she's a proud
01:02:44
mum right now so when we were training
01:02:46
together
01:02:46
um you know we weren't neck and neck all
01:02:49
the time so I knew that you know she she
01:02:53
could do it she has the goods and so you
01:02:56
know I remember we were uh I just
01:02:59
finished the K1 200.
01:03:02
um so in this same day and I just
01:03:05
remember going up the warm-up Lane and
01:03:08
and she's like Lisa whatever you've got
01:03:11
it's all good
01:03:13
I just I'm just happy I just want you in
01:03:15
this boat so for me that just released
01:03:18
me from being scared that maybe I was a
01:03:20
wasn't going to be able to give
01:03:22
everything I could to that moment oh my
01:03:24
God I just finished oh so if anything
01:03:26
you thought you would be the weakest
01:03:27
link in that boat yeah be fatigued yeah
01:03:30
yeah right so I think what she did for
01:03:32
me in that moment she's like no actually
01:03:33
it doesn't matter we can you know let's
01:03:37
just enjoy it I trust you and so
01:03:41
well I guess what's so special is that
01:03:44
she could do that for me and then I
01:03:46
could be there completely without you
01:03:48
know what I'm not even thinking about
01:03:49
what if I don't have all the energy I
01:03:51
need oh I feel stupid now that what a
01:03:54
dumb thing to think you know but that's
01:03:55
from uh like the armchair perspective of
01:03:57
a New Zealand that watches kayaking
01:03:59
every four years yeah I mean yeah I
01:04:02
guess as you know we all have different
01:04:04
ways of
01:04:05
um of dealing with it and uh or in
01:04:08
seeing what's yeah what yeah I mean she
01:04:10
would have been under heap of pressure
01:04:11
because in that day I had four races and
01:04:14
I was on the water off eating
01:04:18
um ice invest on people were shuffling
01:04:20
me around so her responsibility was to
01:04:22
make sure she knew you know what we were
01:04:24
doing for our warm-up getting me on the
01:04:26
water making sure so she was in the you
01:04:29
know in the room uh watching me finish
01:04:31
my racing in the K1 200 you know so
01:04:34
absolutely yeah wow so so the next few
01:04:39
years what does that look like for you
01:04:40
so um there's the Paris games in 2024
01:04:43
yes that's right and you'll be 30 30
01:04:48
35
01:04:49
30 yeah three four five yeah yeah how
01:04:52
are you feeling about that you're
01:04:53
obviously like I'm guessing it's a
01:04:55
conversation you have with you coach
01:04:56
Gordon yeah and was it part of the
01:04:58
decision-making process yeah I think you
01:05:00
know hey I guess what's awesome is he
01:05:04
wasn't I I thought that I couldn't keep
01:05:07
going after 30 I think all right why
01:05:10
just because you pass your physical pain
01:05:12
yeah because that's what I thought
01:05:14
um no one had been in our New Zealand
01:05:16
female had been in the sport for longer
01:05:19
than
01:05:20
I don't know 27 or 26. well then but
01:05:25
then in the last game Andrea
01:05:26
Commonwealth Games Andrea Hughes yeah
01:05:28
she's 37 I think no she's got a baby
01:05:31
yeah so um do you draw sort of strength
01:05:35
and inspiration from like you know older
01:05:37
females and how old is Valerie as well
01:05:38
he must have been see 36 30 yeah seven
01:05:42
maybe yeah so absolutely I think it's
01:05:46
just that's what I mean I feel like
01:05:47
there's also financially it's more
01:05:51
um feasible for us to continue being an
01:05:53
athlete especially in a a
01:05:56
non-professional sport in the sense
01:05:57
we're not rugby we're not Cricket
01:06:00
um so I bet with the support of you know
01:06:03
sport Museum high performance sport we
01:06:05
can keep doing what we love and sponsors
01:06:07
obviously because is it is it okay that
01:06:09
I'm guessing the money's not great
01:06:11
I went to I went to Andrea's house and
01:06:14
there's there's a lady that has spent
01:06:16
like 20 years as an Elite Sports person
01:06:18
it's a beautiful house that she's got in
01:06:19
Christchurch but um that's largely
01:06:21
because of her partner and his job lucky
01:06:23
you is the money okay for Dame Lisa
01:06:27
Carrington uh look at
01:06:30
if you had like a job or a career right
01:06:32
yeah absolutely but I that's um the
01:06:34
thing is that I have had performances
01:06:37
and sponsorship or Partnerships
01:06:41
uh align because there are is the
01:06:44
performance so for me I've been I know
01:06:47
that I'm fortunate to be able to have
01:06:48
those Partnerships and they have made it
01:06:50
possible for really for me to continue
01:06:52
and be able to put all my effort into
01:06:57
paddling yeah and not worry about the
01:06:59
other stuff yeah exactly yeah okay so
01:07:01
what's going to happen after well I
01:07:03
haven't you know I guess those are the
01:07:04
things it's it's going to be okay
01:07:05
because I have those people those
01:07:08
businesses that support me yeah and also
01:07:10
like just the attitude and the drive
01:07:12
that you've got that you put towards
01:07:13
everything you do you you must have the
01:07:16
the confidence or the self-belief that
01:07:17
whatever you do it's going to be okay
01:07:19
and you're going to be a success yeah I
01:07:21
guess it's just got to be right it's got
01:07:24
to be meaningful
01:07:25
um and
01:07:27
yeah yeah okay so so dream case scenario
01:07:31
um you go to uh Paris in 2024.
01:07:35
um how many events do you do there I
01:07:37
guess at this stage I
01:07:40
I thought yeah I would love to continue
01:07:41
to do the K1500 which
01:07:44
um was what I'm absolutely gunning for
01:07:46
and then uh then the rest is dependent
01:07:50
on teammates yeah so
01:07:52
um we're building such uh an amazing
01:07:56
group of uh women at the moment and we
01:07:59
had a really great world champs this
01:08:01
year and I think we will we just we
01:08:03
still have to qualify so uh next year we
01:08:06
have to qualify for the Olympics in
01:08:07
August so we have to place in top eight
01:08:09
in the world to do that so there to get
01:08:13
more I want more women more people at
01:08:16
the Olympics so I we can do more events
01:08:18
yeah amazing so so okay so I so ideally
01:08:22
um you go to Paris
01:08:23
um you you do as well as what you can
01:08:26
yeah and then there's the plan to retire
01:08:27
after that or yeah look I guess I I
01:08:30
don't know yeah I think I absolutely
01:08:33
want a family and
01:08:35
um what that means and I don't know it
01:08:39
would be really tough or for me
01:08:40
personally and I woman still do it but I
01:08:43
haven't done that and I've had children
01:08:45
I've been able to go back to their
01:08:47
careers
01:08:48
um so I guess for me that would be a
01:08:50
really
01:08:51
challenging thing to
01:08:54
to do is do both so I don't
01:08:57
simultaneously yeah I think that would
01:08:59
be really tricky and
01:09:01
um but yeah to have a family would be
01:09:03
awesome
01:09:03
um do you think it'd be difficult to do
01:09:05
well I mean a lot of people do manage to
01:09:06
do both in different sports do you think
01:09:08
it'd be difficult just knowing the the
01:09:10
amount of effort that you have to put in
01:09:12
to be the best you can be at the sport
01:09:13
you don't feel like you could do both
01:09:15
successfully yeah I think yeah because
01:09:17
of the what I put in I put myself first
01:09:20
yeah but in saying that like I don't
01:09:23
know who I'm gonna be or how I'm going
01:09:25
to feel about that decision
01:09:27
um in two years time so yeah I think
01:09:30
it's totally down to the situation down
01:09:33
to the person
01:09:34
um and obviously you can do it so but
01:09:37
it's scary yeah and it's scary and
01:09:40
ideally I mean it's all hypotheticals
01:09:42
here how many kids do you want have you
01:09:43
discussed this with Bucky uh yeah I
01:09:46
think
01:09:46
I mean I think two would be good yeah as
01:09:50
I guess as we get older
01:09:52
um
01:09:53
I can't have like a I don't know like a
01:09:56
rugby team or anything like that
01:10:03
I reckon you'd be a great I mean I was
01:10:05
going to say I reckon you'll be a great
01:10:06
mum but it just seems like a redundant
01:10:07
thing to say because it's like whatever
01:10:09
you do you're going to be amazing is I'm
01:10:11
an amazing act yeah oh I think I mean
01:10:15
there's there's so many amazing people
01:10:17
out there and I think you know we talk
01:10:18
about
01:10:19
um me being a Dame and that type of
01:10:22
thing and what's awesome about going to
01:10:24
those kind of Ceremonies is that you get
01:10:26
to see
01:10:27
and witness other new zealanders you
01:10:31
know getting a new order of Merit and
01:10:34
you know the other
01:10:35
um awards that are given and I'm like
01:10:38
man these people have saved lives
01:10:40
they've changed
01:10:42
um you know they've created new
01:10:44
solutions to support I know people in
01:10:47
poverty and I'm like man I've just done
01:10:49
my I've just looked after myself and got
01:10:51
a few middles but these people are
01:10:53
saving lives so I mean there are you
01:10:57
know like there are I know that what I
01:10:59
do I'm so privileged to do and
01:11:02
um I guess I'm not yeah I just know that
01:11:05
there are still some way more people
01:11:07
doing awesome things out there uh you're
01:11:10
too modest well in with a couple of
01:11:12
quick fire ones um what makes you angry
01:11:15
uh what makes me angry
01:11:18
um when
01:11:20
I'm tired and the dishes haven't been
01:11:23
put away right did you do you say do you
01:11:26
think um like Bucky would get your worst
01:11:28
behavior yeah yeah yeah it was just a
01:11:31
bit sad I think it's natural in any
01:11:33
relationship it's like yeah it's like
01:11:35
you save your worst behavior for the
01:11:37
people that you love the most it's the
01:11:39
most [ __ ] up thing but it's just human
01:11:41
nature what would um what's your worst
01:11:43
habit
01:11:44
uh oh where's habit
01:11:47
um I mean I'd I have a few like and I'd
01:11:50
probably I don't clean I don't keep my
01:11:52
car clean enough
01:11:54
is it a sponsor's cat yeah
01:11:58
well it's really
01:12:00
it's a really thing about having keeping
01:12:02
it a little bit messy is that I've
01:12:04
always got something I need you know
01:12:09
it's like man I forgot my shoes yet
01:12:11
there's some gym shoes in there
01:12:13
hoodie in there yeah you know well it's
01:12:15
probably not the best circumstances to
01:12:16
do so but give your sponsors a plug who
01:12:18
who Who's the car sponsor oh a Toyota
01:12:20
yeah that's awesome how long have they
01:12:23
been on board a few years now
01:12:26
um yeah awesome they've given I've got a
01:12:28
hybrid at the moment which I'm really
01:12:29
enjoying
01:12:31
um saving me a better
01:12:33
better petrol which is good what other
01:12:36
what other brand Partnerships have you
01:12:37
got are you still with beef and lamb no
01:12:39
so not with beef and lamb anymore but um
01:12:41
I mean they were awesome they're an
01:12:43
awesome they were an awesome sponsor and
01:12:45
helped me go so far yeah it was a great
01:12:47
campaign yeah yeah absolutely
01:12:51
um I mean I don't want to forgive anyone
01:12:52
but like no and that is um under armor
01:12:56
that would have been awesome
01:12:57
um are you actually your parents did
01:12:59
like an interview on breakfast TV your
01:13:01
dad's cut it out I know I know I it was
01:13:04
so funny I remember getting back from
01:13:06
overseas I'm like is that mine mine
01:13:09
they're like oh no no they gave it to me
01:13:12
you know yeah
01:13:14
um who else is it uh and I like people
01:13:17
like evalu which is a skincare brand
01:13:19
which is awesome so
01:13:21
um obviously being out in the sun all
01:13:23
the time yeah you need that yeah yeah
01:13:25
and um you mentioned you always have it
01:13:27
about having the dirty car what would
01:13:28
Bucky say your worst habit is not
01:13:30
packing the dishwasher properly are you
01:13:33
knives up or knives down uh I like to
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knives up cleans them oh high stabbing
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chances oh no but that's just not the
01:13:42
sharp ones oh yeah yeah yeah yeah okay I
01:13:44
just thought I just put things in there
01:13:45
and it doesn't make sense and yeah
01:13:48
plates bowls wherever and um this one's
01:13:51
probably quite a serious one to finish
01:13:52
with we should go to earlier but um
01:13:54
um like have there been like adversity
01:13:58
or tough times like I'm thinking when
01:13:59
the Lisa Carrington book comes out
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what's the what's the chapter or the
01:14:03
thing that's going to be like the hook
01:14:04
line that gets you know printed before
01:14:06
it comes out what because from an
01:14:08
outsider's perspective and again we only
01:14:10
see you every four years it just seems
01:14:12
like it's been a you know from one pick
01:14:14
to another but I'm I'm sure it hasn't
01:14:15
all been that way yeah
01:14:17
um this is always a tough one I guess
01:14:20
you know like
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it's
01:14:22
I think there's always tough moments I
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think
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01:14:26
um
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and like you say stop being tough when
01:14:30
you figure out how to get through it
01:14:33
um
01:14:34
I guess I'm I'm I'm someone I'm pretty
01:14:37
fortunate I haven't had to go through
01:14:39
huge adversity
01:14:41
um but I I think
01:14:43
I guess the challenge for me is just
01:14:45
trying to trying to perform at the
01:14:48
highest level and still be a normal
01:14:52
human
01:14:53
um and I guess it's accepting that yeah
01:14:56
I'm probably going to do some really
01:14:57
strange things for performance or
01:15:00
because you know what striving and
01:15:03
stepping outside the box is I'm is not
01:15:06
going to be normal because I don't sit
01:15:07
in the box so for me what do you mean
01:15:09
exactly strange things for performance
01:15:11
oh yes yeah I was thinking about it that
01:15:13
doesn't sound that great
01:15:14
um no so I guess it's I don't know
01:15:16
whether it's you know like putting my
01:15:18
myself first so
01:15:22
um maybe not going out and hanging out
01:15:23
with friends because you know I'm just
01:15:26
prioritizing them prioritizing yeah and
01:15:28
prioritizing my yeah me and looking
01:15:31
after myself
01:15:32
um and from I guess my job
01:15:34
yeah so and I I guess the work I have to
01:15:37
do is constantly about how
01:15:42
much am I holding myself back is there
01:15:44
more to unlock am I can I do this better
01:15:47
where where are the gains that I'm gonna
01:15:49
get so the exploration of uh getting the
01:15:53
most out of myself is I mean that is
01:15:55
tricky but you have to put yourself in
01:15:57
some challenging situations to kind of
01:16:00
let go not care what people think uh
01:16:04
fail because those are the moments that
01:16:06
you kind of learn the most oh 100 yeah
01:16:09
you learn more from your fails than from
01:16:11
from anything else well when you're
01:16:12
under so much pressure you're like wow
01:16:14
why like where is this feeling coming
01:16:17
from why why am I reacting in this way
01:16:19
why am I so afraid to do this is it
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because
01:16:22
you know if I fail it I think when I
01:16:24
think of failure I kind of think about
01:16:25
the gym and doing an exercise there I
01:16:28
look I can't do I'm like no no not doing
01:16:31
it you know but I'm like no you know
01:16:34
like Jim my gym trainers put it in there
01:16:36
because it's good for me you know it's
01:16:38
okay it's okay to look [ __ ] it's okay to
01:16:41
fail you know yeah yeah yeah yeah oh
01:16:44
yeah I suppose the thing that's been for
01:16:45
you at the gym it's like for most of us
01:16:47
it's like everyone's self-conscious but
01:16:49
most of us at the gym it's like I like
01:16:52
to tell myself everyone's self-conscious
01:16:54
about how they look so they're not
01:16:55
looking they're worried about themselves
01:16:57
but you're Lisa [ __ ] character so
01:16:59
people probably are looking at you yeah
01:17:01
and I guess you know and it's
01:17:03
also it's
01:17:05
you're kind of acting like an idiot or
01:17:08
failing or
01:17:10
um being a goofball you know like it
01:17:12
really it's good for your teammates and
01:17:15
so doing things that are challenging or
01:17:19
people laugh at you kind of go like kind
01:17:22
of drops the barrier of your connection
01:17:24
with your team and you can build each
01:17:26
other up and yeah you know work together
01:17:28
because I guess what I've learned is I
01:17:31
cannot do this on my own I need people
01:17:33
and I want people because it's as much
01:17:37
as times it's hard because it's easy to
01:17:38
go you know what I'm just going to go
01:17:40
off and do this on my own I'm going to
01:17:41
do it my way I'm going to control it the
01:17:43
way that I want to control it no one can
01:17:44
distract me
01:17:46
um that's in the moment while that might
01:17:48
seem good it's definitely not as fun as
01:17:52
doing it with people yeah I 100 oh
01:17:55
that's great well
01:17:57
um you've been so generous with your
01:17:58
time
01:17:59
um it's almost like six o'clock in the
01:18:00
evening now so what's the plan now
01:18:01
you're meeting your your husband after
01:18:03
work and going out what's the plan yeah
01:18:05
we're going out to dinner I actually
01:18:06
does this happen often
01:18:08
um every now and then I mean because I
01:18:10
mean coverts happens so going into work
01:18:12
hasn't been as often for them
01:18:14
um but yeah I enjoy it because he works
01:18:16
in britomat so going down there's I love
01:18:19
the food in Auckland so
01:18:22
um we have such amazing restaurants and
01:18:23
he told me the name of the restaurant
01:18:25
but I forgot
01:18:29
I'll come see you there
01:18:32
oh that's great well I think we're cons
01:18:35
after today we need to work on that
01:18:37
inner voice that in a crowd absolutely
01:18:38
but I feel like that's not just you or
01:18:40
me that's everyone that's listened to
01:18:42
that's got a yeah silence that voice
01:18:44
somehow yeah or maybe not silence it but
01:18:47
maybe [ __ ] a bit of light on I'm good
01:18:50
enough you know I'm I'm strong I I can
01:18:53
do this and
01:18:55
um just believing in yourself a bit more
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yeah
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that's coming from Lisa Carrington New
01:19:02
Zealand's most successful Olympian of
01:19:03
all time
01:19:04
yeah you have you have those
01:19:08
um those thoughts imagine what the rest
01:19:09
of us have uh like I think yeah I mean
01:19:12
we all do right like it's just human to
01:19:15
be oh man I'm not good enough what if I
01:19:17
do what if I fail so yeah I mean it's
01:19:20
something that we all need to work on
01:19:22
and I'm and it's it's crazy you think I
01:19:26
mean it's something I've thought about
01:19:27
in the last year it's like I don't talk
01:19:29
to myself that nicely and
01:19:32
um and I always knew it you know there's
01:19:34
always you know a lot of beer you know
01:19:37
be nice to yourself be kind you're like
01:19:39
yeah okay yeah but what does that mean
01:19:41
it's like man if I really listen to how
01:19:44
I'm talking to myself I'm not smart
01:19:46
enough
01:19:47
um you know I'm not tall enough
01:19:49
um all those things it's like wow okay
01:19:51
that's
01:19:53
the subtle things you know yeah well
01:19:56
that's a great message and I I know one
01:19:58
of the things that you like to um you
01:19:59
know like be a better person today than
01:20:02
what you were yesterday and I can
01:20:03
honestly say someone that's knowing you
01:20:05
and interviewed for you for the first
01:20:06
time 10 or 11 years ago
01:20:08
um not that there was anything wrong
01:20:09
with you at all you were lovely
01:20:12
um but I think you're a better person
01:20:13
now than then for sure yeah I mean it
01:20:16
well it was like 11 years ago yeah
01:20:18
absolutely I think we've I've done a few
01:20:21
things yeah haven't just Damon Lisa
01:20:24
Carrington thank you so much for your
01:20:25
time can't tell you how much I
01:20:27
appreciate it cool thank you Dom and
01:20:28
best of luck for the future okay thank
01:20:30
you
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thank you
