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it's kind of hard to explain air and gravity to people is it maybe it'll be
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easier is the thing you breathe it's better than computer monitor naming that's that's true yeah the Ford
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xg9715 a lot of them are close like ev150 and ev6 are not that far off e100d
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and all of the p p60 p70 and then G that actually was a very V6 GT is not that
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far off from whatever LG model yeah that's fair enough at least GT is like
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standardized you know yeah an ev6 ev5 it's like everyone knows I mean you can
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decode all of the modern names too yeah that doesn't make them good sure
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what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week we have another like a bunch of grab bag headline type things where
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they're not necessarily like a hour on them but we have thoughts and we figured the fun way to organize them again would
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be what we did last time which people really liked and I also really like so we're gonna do it again headlines in a hat
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yeah also matte black everything hat shop.qbh.com I'm just saying it looks
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sick I can't put it on because there's a bunch of lights on and then I could just kind of put my fingers in there and it
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might be harder to get the headlines out of them no that's a little bit it's just gonna go everywhere sorry it's gonna go everywhere cool we're good so what's the
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format so you're just gonna you hold the hat and just go around and pick yeah yeah I have but I put the full headline
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too so you read out the headline we'll also post all the headlines in the show notes for anyone who wants to read it but okay I was gonna say who wants to go
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first but Marquez is reaching already so well so I was shaking like in the middle in front of me I'm taking one I'm taking
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a head a headline here we go I'll gladly go second first one the headline that I've grabbed it's like
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a fortune cookie it's kind of folded like that too Comcast's latest Wi-Fi 6
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device aims to keep you online during a storm I think I saw this headline before
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that's because it like switches to Cellular or something yeah I want to preface this by saying I don't like
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giving Comcast Credit so I think we can all just throw that out there at first but yeah were you a Comcast customer I
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still am oh oh I'm sorry oh you're gonna get zero up and zero down for the next
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like two weeks to be fair my internet is the best part about Comcast okay great internet speeds from it and that all works my TV another story anyways I
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thought this was pretty cool they're basically have this like modem router combo that is like they're calling storm
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ready so in case of a power outage it can switch to cellular 10g service whoa
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it said which was I've never heard of 10gs all of those yeah I know Trump was only
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looking for six people did they just mean Comcast was like do they just mean gigabits I don't no 10 10 gigabits
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cellular service there I don't know we can pull up the article yeah you can mention it but essentially switching to
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cellular service and a four hour battery backup so if you go down you're not most
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things are saved anyways but when you're not losing stuff and you can still you know browse the internet for a bit okay the number one worst thing about power
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outage for the first 15 minutes is usually that the internet just went down yeah and then you slowly realize all the
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other things are off but that's the first thing yeah we notice I think it's uh I feel like this is a pretty cool
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idea I kind of like it's only available with um Xfinity Service obviously um
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through their own stuff it is 252 dollars for the modem or seven dollars a month and surprisingly the cellular
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service is included in that so I I think I'm not sure if that tax on top of what
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if you're already like renting of the modem or router from them or whatever but I don't think the price is that much different from normal renting from them
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yeah um I think this is all pretty cool wait so does it only work with their routers
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um I it like yeah I think it's only with their router that's depressing I'm guessing it's just like you might be
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able to a basic backup yeah like I wouldn't be super fast it's an interesting idea my one thing is like
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normally when the power goes out it's for like a day because just like the power doesn't go out as much anymore and
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there's for like really really bad storms so four hours will give me that initial I think fix but uh yeah this is
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smart both on their end and look it only makes sense for their routers because they have comcat Xfinity Wireless or
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something Xfinity they have they have a cellular network now okay so they
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probably build those bands into the routers and that's why they only work on these routers which is very smart for
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them because then it gets them to uh have you rent it on a month by month basis I hate the fact that you always
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have to rent routers from these companies by default um but it makes sense because they have
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they have bands in there whereas like or whatever router company you use for your
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router is not going to have like 4G bands through this wouldn't you because at this point now the modem and router
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are the same thing through major cable companies like this like I have the Xfinity Gateway at home but I plug it
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into my orbi wi-fi system so would I not be able to use my my wireless router
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as just then the internet plug goes wired into that and I hook up from like but I think I could couple that do they
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have a couple the modem router that they sell you it's just one thing it's one box it's just one box so that's why so
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then but then what I do is I just then wire that out turn the Wi-Fi off on that and then so I still think you'd be able
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to do that I can't tell the difference between internet service I'm guessing I don't want to like probably could they
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they're they get really good at knowing exactly what Hardware you're using my first thought was actually how would I
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game this you need to use your well to use a cellular I don't know if it's that great that I would want to use a
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cellular but if it was like I would just unplug it from the wall and it would think oh the power's out and then it would start giving me cellular for four
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hours until I plugged it back in I don't know or can you like if you have like an external battery that accepts like an AC
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power out like a regular plug could you plug it in and get more than four hours because I have like a car battery jump
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that could I do more on that or do they like also plan in the like well we don't want using that much
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I think it'll probably just work as long as power yeah yeah yeah yeah that's cool
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though I think that's pretty neat I feel like a lot of people in our world could take that and be on the internet for a
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while yeah figure out how to make that last longer especially considering um most power outages only last like an
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hour or two like that's either real short I feel like a real long two weeks yeah yeah yeah the power went out here
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the other day or not the power of the internet for like five minutes and we were all just kind of staring at each other yeah time to go home
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right after the solar video I might have said that I don't think you said it on I
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didn't say it I think you told us on slack but not in oh oh well in case I didn't mention it I we did the solar
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roof video and I like talked all about the whole thing it was like a half hour video and I mentioned in part of it like if you have a power outage you literally
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don't know because the battery just kicks in and like the lights flicker for a second and then it's just because it
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switches all the other houses are dark and the street light up the corner is off I guess I'm on battery power and
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literally like the next day driving home or like that weekend there was a huge
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storm like a really really windy storm that blew through right after we had practice and as I'm driving home there's
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like trees in the street and like power outage and I drove past a huge tree that fell on a power line and I was like
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that's bad and I got a notification on my phone that said uh there's a power outage there's a power outage for like
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12 hours and everything was perfectly fine because I had battery and solar dang was your internet you're living the
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internet everything is still powered and internet was fine yeah so yeah it's the internet yeah I was gonna say like and
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get taken out what do you do you have uh you have FiOS it's underground I think
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FiOS is sometimes underground my files is not underground because I've seen it get knocked out before and be lying in
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my front lawn and I had to like point in my internet that cable right there can you plug that back in please first it's
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not underground but that was fine it was just like down the block the power line got knocked down how weird now yeah
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usually fiber is underground what's crazy that's delicate huh yeah but uh imagine this wi-fi thing back in Sandy I
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feel like my yeah that would have been so much nicer I had no power for two weeks after that wow that was brutal it
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was a lot dang cool all right next headline next headline Eddie David I'm ready
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forty thousand dollars to spend on the technology okay uh samples is a new way
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to discover YouTube music's deep Library not shorts yeah we talked about this a little bit in slack this week uh I missed this
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conversation so I oh but I thought this was kind of interesting so something that YouTube music is doing which is good
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because YouTube music hasn't really updated in a long time and is pretty far behind a lot of other options
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um some things that they do are very unique actually and I think that a lot of people just haven't really tried them because you have to have YouTube premium
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but or can you use YouTube music separate from YouTube I think you can I think you probably can
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um can you fact check that I will indeed thanks but basically samples is this thing that you can do where or that it's
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a new tab that they have now in the YouTube music app where it looks kind of like Tick Tock but what it will do is
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music videos and also officially recorded live shows of like different
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bands that you might like will basically play on your phone and it'll just crop
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the sides out so it's a vertical crop and it plays using like AI it plays the most exciting part of the song so it's a
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music discoverability feature that is similar to similar to like what Spotify is trying to do it with their Tick Tock
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scroll feature thing which I think which I don't even think they're doing anymore I think they stopped that they made it
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like very prominent on the homepage for a while it was forced on you yeah it was forced on you and now it's like either hidden or they just took it away I think
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it just probably hit when you mention tab on this I was immediately like that's what they did right versus what Spotify did here yeah so I think this is
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pretty cool um it's a unfortunately only like officially recorded music that's been
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vetted by like the companies that own the music because I really like like footage that people take at shows like I
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look I like listening to those kind of things but considering it's a music discoverability service I think it's
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understandable that they want it to be a high quality stream and YouTube's doing a ton of stuff on copyright also right
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now in terms of shorts so I'm sure that has a plays a big role in it um I mean I think this is really cool I wonder if
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you don't have a music video they can't really do this right so then or or the live show like you mentioned like yeah I
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don't know because they haven't really ruled it out yet so I'm not really sure if they're going to have like you know on Spotify
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they'll have like a repeating kind of just like clip over and over again even if they don't have a music video The
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Artist can upload a like default repeating clip to just play in the background yeah I don't know if they'll have something like that or if it has to
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be directly sourced from either a music video or an official live show I look what vein still does because they don't
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always have music videos but they'll just have like the album art like on a high-res record like spinning yeah it
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kind of looks I like that it's a neat visual at least yeah I think YouTube music used to do that but not YouTube music sorry Google play music I think I
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think they used to do the record spinning that's cool yeah yeah so yeah also YouTube music 10.99 a month
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wow really that's a lot yeah they've got to be easy I feel like you gotta undercut Spotify YouTube premium has
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went up recently though right it's like 18.99 or something yeah yeah I feel like
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every they all just kind of keep going up slowly yeah each one goes up by like
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two dollars and like staggering form like over the years so then they can release a cheaper one that still has ads
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on it and your stuff I feel like um but I mean obviously we've seen that Tick
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Tock has become somewhat of a music discoverability app kind of as a secondary nature thing like we've
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realized that we fall in love with really catchy clips of songs I just
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wonder if tick I still think Tick Tock might be better at making things Mega viral
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versus this is like if you're specifically trying to discover yeah but like not all the time music videos are
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that interesting to see so if I'm just swiping through unfortunately the first thing that still catches my eye is the
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visual aspect of it so like I wonder how much I'll be scrolling through this and how quickly else or how long I'll stay
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around doing it Adam how did how much did you say that YouTube music is it's 1099 for an individual plan it's 13.99
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for YouTube premium which comes with YouTube music yep that seems like a good deal definitely do that everyone that
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I've ever talked to that has YouTube premium is like this is the best thing ever which I completely agree with but
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and if you get the family plan it's like really cheap because you can put six people on it something about Led access
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everyone's taking that away video libraries it's pretty good yeah it's pretty good pretty good I agree so yeah
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the more the the tick tock a vacation of the world continues I'm gonna do one more before ad break sure at least okay
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I think it's your turn oh I'll do it okay I got the best one oh God did you write
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mine down at the yeah yeah okay um LG now sells this bizarre TV in a suitcase
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and I must have it sorry this should have been the headline it should have been I mean I must have it I didn't write but I agree but I wholeheartedly
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okay can we what is this thing called so just so we are all on the same page release something it's called The Stand
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By Me Go no no no you added a d yeah but it should be fair I added the D and the
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description Stand By Me It's called The Stand By Me Go I'm going to just explain
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exactly what this is and I'm not exaggerating or lying about any of this it is a briefcase and the only thing
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inside the briefcase is a 27 inch LG TV that supports AirPlay and screen
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mirroring and as a touch screen and is a touch screen yeah and a battery it has speakers too and speakers build a usb-c
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port and that's it it's just a briefcase that opens up boom TV and there's
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endless weird scenarios that this becomes like kind of interesting to have for audio listeners I feel like if
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everyone is picturing a suitcase with a TV in it you're assuming it folds open and the top half of the suitcase just
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has a screen built in oh no right that's a fairness no no no my friend LG you
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know you love or hate LG they think outside the box or in this case inside of a box but
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it literally has its own stands that pops out yeah and can rotate portrait
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okay come on the rotation okay so this thing this thing pops out and already is
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like floating in the suitcase and then it can rotate 90 degrees to be in portrait orientation 27 inch screen just
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ridic ulous like I don't know why that the whole thing is a thousand
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dollars they didn't need to go this hard they really did exactly honestly this is the most Samsung thing I've ever seen
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come from not Samsung but also this looks like something this is I feel like various this is so LG yeah they did that
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I love it they did the they did some weird flippy swiveling the people who made the wing were like yeah Wing walks
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to the stand by me go she could run who wait who did the the CES TV that went to
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Portrait that was Samsung that's available no it's Samsung it's also available to buy
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I do not know why anyone wants that because who wants to airplay tick tocks to their TV that swivels that seems like
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what they thought people were going to do why did they think that I don't know but now you have a briefcase TV oh
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you're gonna do anything with a briefcase TV yes there's a lot of like many things anytime this is my favorite
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thing anytime you look at an ad for a product that's your best bet to see how the company who's making the product
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imagines that the people who buy the product will use it yeah when you pull up this ad the first thing that pops up
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is it on a table playing a video of a
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record player while just playing music out of the speakers which
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is so it's like you don't have a record player but you have a briefcase with a TV in it that plays a video of a record player I love it that's the first video
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the second video is the same thing but outside on a pool side table cool
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nothing about IP rating by the way just saying uh I wouldn't put it anywhere near a pool is that not in there I don't
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know I didn't see anything that's a good point I have 27-inch 1080p touchscreen um three hour battery life speakers
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there's not a lot of info on it although it's been out for two months internationally apparently and nobody
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talked about it because they're crazy this is the best thing ever we have to get one of these in it I'm gonna put
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this in the office request wait what are some of the other things in the ad there's some others my favorite is uh
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there's a band on a rooftop playing music and they have it on one of the
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speakers in portrait live streaming their music on tick tock I don't know if that means there's a
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tick tock app built in no there's a phone next to it so it must be screen mirroring for screen mirroring okay but
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but so they're on Tick Tock reading comments yeah on your screen so you can see your your Tick Tock comments that's
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my favorite perfect Creator tool packs perfectly into its own suitcase for as many cringy Creator tools as I see
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companies try to lean into this one actually makes sense this this one's so you picture the NPC streams on 27 inch
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screen mirroring I mean yeah I would take this home put it on top of my credenza that's actually
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my rollable LG TV and then when I'm on a smaller screen I put that when I want a slightly bigger
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screen I roll it out halfway I'm sorry this one's the best this one's the best Just a Kiss just a cat pawing at a video
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of an aquarium and probably accidentally hitting almost they're like playing it you can play like Checkers and like yeah
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the game one's funny though because unless both people are standing at it from the front the suitcase doesn't look like it lays
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all the way down flat yeah so one part's always up 90 degrees at it and like completely blocks off we need to get one
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of these in I'm sorry we need to get it's necessary this is dope Tech Marquez I kind of don't disagree just bring this
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on the plane yes oh that's a good idea who needs a Vision Pro three hour battery life that's longer than the
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vision for four hour four hours this could be the nudes you know in like uh like Shady Deals they bring a suitcase full
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of money this is how you can make Shady crypto deals because you can just bring up your like preview my nfg your NFD or
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your like metamask wallet or whatever that is and then you can just you got the goods and he's got the handcuffed
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suitcase opens it up and then he just types in his his password to his Bitcoin wallet if you pre-order and now you get
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a free 250 LG X boom 360 speaker why does this look like something you would
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get if you bought an nft piece of art and they wanted to like give you prices cooler than any of those it is it just
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feels like this is what they would ship it in is this briefcase you want to see my board ape in portrait mode
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yeah that's a good that's a solid one this is amazing I'm glad it exists thank
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you LG for continuing to do weird things we appreciate you we need it I need it ASAP I'm sorry you might have to get one
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uh we'll take a quick break when we come back we have more headlines and a hat
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but of course before we take that break let's do some trivia [Music]
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anyway so we were talking about YouTube music just a minute ago oh no what audio
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codec does YouTube music use thank honor I don't even know what I'm thinking it's either a trick question or
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I will get it wrong one of the two or both or both well yes yes we'll think
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about it the answers of course are usually at the end so uh we'll be right back [Music]
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all right welcome back headlights and a hat there's some more in the Hat
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I should just go around the horn right I go again yeah okay here we go
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I got one this is a long wow this is a long Fortune all right
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it says Google Chrome will summarize entire articles for you with built-in
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generative AI yeah to me this this is the downfall of civilization the Michael
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Scott that's actually exactly what I wrote this right here downfall of civilization you want to talk about it I
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feel like this is pretty obvious yeah no one reads anything anymore so when we first started talking about things like
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chat GPT like when this first came under the scene and barred and like also being specifically being and how it looked
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like summarize articles for you and all that stuff we had this long discussion about like how is the Internet still
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gonna work because people need to read articles in order to for those websites
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to get paid to pay the people to write the article so that people can read the articles and you know being Microsoft
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they kind of just went very haphazard and they're just like we need to be first we need to be first we need to be first they just put out all these features didn't really care about how to
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affect the internet Google took a very long time and we were like they've got a lot to lose of course they're thinking
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very critically about how this affects writers all this stuff how it's going to work but the more time goes on it seems
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like they're not thinking very critically about how this affects writers and stuff um currently there's something called the Google search
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generative experience which you have it enabled yeah me too you can opt into it anytime you Google something it
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basically like gives you a bullet list of your answer or just things related to
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your question and it does give you three of the top Source links that you can then click into not the best but at
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least they're trying with this um you'll be on an article which I guess you already clicked on the article right
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but then you click a button that just says summarize this for me and it just gives you a bullet bulleted list of the
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main points of the article yeah because you're in Chrome so you're in Google Chrome you pulled up a website it's got
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an article on it and you're like you know how you probably see sometimes that translate button where like oh I pulled up a website in Spanish let me hit the
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translate button it automatically gives me the English version it probably just do a summarize button you click that probably a little bubble pops up over
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the top of the article with an ad free short text box version of like a summary of the article and then you've got your
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info and then you piece out I My article reading habits are like I guess I could
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kind of divide it into a couple different categories like I either read an article for like all of the
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information in it like if I'm reading a review or I'm reading it for like one fact command F immediately one fact or
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I'm reading it for entertainment yeah like a car review or like some random article about a story that's interesting
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and I'm reading it because it's an entertaining article and I feel like this totally erases
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all of those yes like if I'm reading for entertainment I'm probably I don't want to use this feature I want to read the
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article anyway for entertainment but if I came for the fact like this is going to summarize it and find the fact just like command F would and if I came for
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uh like a review I hate to say it but this is probably going to do a really good job of
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summarizing a review there's a reason like I think it's Android police or Android Central probably all of the
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Android websites I probably do this now at some point near the end of when I was at Android authority everyone started
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making this like what you need to know section at the very top that was just a list of positives and negatives and then
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they would also do the entire review yeah um although for some low low brow stuff
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that not as many people were interested in they would just do that um and that already seems like a problem
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but there's inherently a very weird tension here because Google traditionally has awarded articles that
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are longer and like has displayed you more on better on Google has ranked you
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better on Google if your article was longer if it was longer and like successfully delivered well I don't
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think AI could necessarily understand that is the longer thing that has what's
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the um just called like bounce back where like if you go to a web page and you leave it
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very quickly bounce rate yeah so like does longer just mean staying on longer no I think the crawler also like reads
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how many words are in the article and there's part of their algorithm has traditionally been like oh if something
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is longer that means it's more valuable information which means we're going to rank it higher over the years they have
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tried to mitigate that because that led to websites just filling so much stuff like I remember one of the first
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articles I ever had to write was like how to take a screenshot on the Galaxy S4 or something and I had to be like the
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Samsung Galaxy S4 is the fourth generation of mobile phone and the Sim and it just like I could literally write
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an SEO article in my sleep like I was getting paid per 100 words so an article that needed to be 50 words I would make
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600 words every College paper I've ever written same thing but it's a terrible
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way to make the Internet run for sure um so it creates this inherent tension where if Google still is using length to
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sort of like rank things which I think they're trying to get like change it's just very weird that they would be like
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yeah like we suggested you this article but now we're just going to shorten it to what you originally could have written it as anyway it's really yeah
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the tension is funny because if they were prioritizing length but then also now our prioritizing the short shortened
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version it's clear that people were more into the shortened version yeah and like we make we see this all the time with
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like I'll make a 20 minute YouTube video and people will skip through the chapters and like read
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the top three comments and leave and I know that that's how they behave sometimes also what you're talking about with reviews when people have the sort
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of a summary of the review at the top before getting into the rest of the review I don't run a site like that but
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I would be willing to bet that a large portion of the traffic reads the first
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paragraph and like the little summary at the top and then pieces out yeah like most people will do that yeah so yeah
00:26:38
people do prioritize like quickly getting the access to the information they're after and then and then leaving and that's what this is showing that
00:26:45
they're trying to say the funny thing about this though is that Google is trying to keep you on google.com now with the current search generative
00:26:52
experience that isn't the article summary yeah because it all right like they've already been in hot water for
00:26:57
this before by like scraping Wikipedia and just like putting it within the google.com web website and now they're
00:27:04
doing that even more intensely where they scrape websites and just put it in a in a chat and I would argue this what
00:27:12
we're talking about right now has the one step in it that makes it feel not as bad which is getting to the
00:27:18
article and summarizing there if that becomes a stay in your brow in your
00:27:24
search list and like a pop-up comes up summarizing it that's where this gets really bad I don't think you could do
00:27:31
that if that gets to that that's a very bad move it's like there's a co-pilot in
00:27:37
Edge yeah right that kind of does this already like you'll be reading a paper or a you know 50 page research paper and
00:27:44
you just hit the summarize button and of course yeah it's super useful that AI can give you like the bullet pointed list of the most important facts from
00:27:51
that paper ideally it's factually accurate because it's trained on the paper that it just read for you but yeah
00:27:57
summarizing articles or summarizing I'm guessing it says articles but it's Chrome you could summarize anything you can summarize whatever web page you're
00:28:03
on well so one thing about this is it says that the feature is designed to work only on articles that are freely
00:28:08
available to the public on the web so if you're behind a page it doesn't work on payroll that makes sense yeah I don't I
00:28:15
don't know I also foresee a problem with like articles that are written with a lot of nuance or a lot of like um if
00:28:22
you're being very like pedantic or just like language is very like flowy like I
00:28:28
can say something in such a way that you know I'm joking and if the search generative experience thing
00:28:36
doesn't give you all the context of what I'm talking about before it could seem like like something that I say that I
00:28:43
don't actually mean and you know that I don't actually mean it they don't know yeah they can just put it as a bullet
00:28:48
point yeah so it doesn't understand sarcasm yeah exactly that's an easier
00:28:54
way to say that sounds like the YouTube comments yeah yeah so yeah it's rolling out um on mobile pretty soon here and then
00:29:00
they'll eventually move it to the web I'm very curious to try it but I also am like why does we have to make do you
00:29:05
think you're getting a recipe sorry I interrupted no it's okay recipes are the number one thing that should be shorted
00:29:11
yeah well I and I agree you were saying with articles is exactly what recipes notoriously do like how do I make banana
00:29:17
bread what ingredients do I need back in 1929 when I was 14. my mother used to I
00:29:23
do think part of that though isn't for search engine optimization there's like some sort of copyright in there where
00:29:28
like you need to include some form of like work around it yeah to make to make
00:29:34
that either be your recipe or so you don't get hit by somebody else if you wind up having the same recipe which is
00:29:41
super common because food is food and people that make it true whatever but but there's also please just
00:29:47
give me the
00:29:56
seven tells you how much sugar paragraph nine tells you how much how many eggs you need you just keep half ten tells me
00:30:02
it tells you my Grandma's favorite song when she was 14. you just want to find that cup of nutmeg and then get there
00:30:08
don't um don't trigger me Andrew wait can you explain that when I was in
00:30:14
college I made a nutmeg lasagna um what yeah it was a it was a nutmeg uh
00:30:22
lasagna that was made of acorn squash uh because I was vegetarian for like a decade and
00:30:29
um I read well I pulled this recipe and it said that it required a pinch of nutmeg but I was having my friend help
00:30:36
me with the shopping list and he put a cup of nutmeg I did not question anything I went and
00:30:44
bought a cup of nutmeg which at the store I was like this is like sixty dollars to buy this much it's not just sixty dollars no I know yes I didn't buy
00:30:51
it in one cup I bought it in many small cups everyone in this story gets to that
00:30:57
part like how though they're so small like sixty dollars and then I got back I made it and I was eating and it was like
00:31:03
this is really bad and then I was like I was so
00:31:08
focused on like getting through it I ate a quarter of it and I started feeling like woozy and then I looked it up later
00:31:14
nutmeg is a hallucinogenic if you eat enough of it it's like dangerous too
00:31:19
yeah it can be dangerous so don't do that don't do that do not do that but don't eat a cup of nutmeg anyway was
00:31:27
that what you were doing where you were you referencing that's what I was referencing 100 well I have to tell them it's my favorite story it's Claire's
00:31:33
favorite story I think too it's insane yeah anyway the amount of red flags of like I need
00:31:41
you to buy a one cup of nutmeg and you get to the store and that Meg is in these little things I'd be like this is
00:31:46
gonna go crazy I just wish you were like to a guy who walked by how many of these is a cup and they would be like what on
00:31:54
Earth are you opening up this this uh lasagna cost me like 85 and
00:32:00
I had to throw it all out oh my God yeah remember we were talking about how like Trader Joe's cashiers like look at what
00:32:07
you're buying and like comment on it to you I know nobody said it to the cash registered well you tried to check out
00:32:12
with a pound of nutmeg in your car it was nobody like are you are you what are you doing with this yeah I wanted one of
00:32:19
the people to be like oh I used to go crazy in college too yeah I'm supposed to get flagged like buying NyQuil or something I know you like that yeah yeah
00:32:25
it's not a panelists somewhere yeah anyway maybe if sge could remind me the
00:32:31
search engine experience could tell me that that's too much nutmeg yeah maybe I would like this feature or if you didn't
00:32:36
have to spend 25 minutes reading the beginning of an article about Acorn squashes on maybe that's why I messaged
00:32:42
you you might have just been honestly tired your eyes were it was like weary I don't know my Grandma's favorite song I
00:32:48
Don't Know it's too much information in there anyway all right all right next topic
00:32:54
oh this is the last one so it's not even like I'm really picking anything romantic EV headlines in a hat I think it's just
00:33:02
regarding the fact that we have we have a second hat wow wow another hat no one
00:33:07
saw it coming we have enough Eevee headlines that there's a second hat to pick out
00:33:13
how did you make that the last I think I didn't mean to make it the last one in fact that's impressive judging by how
00:33:18
much all these articles are I really wish that one was first in terms of flow so yeah that's fair we'll see where
00:33:25
we're gonna add break here we might have a pretty quick next ad break or just three combine the podcast later make
00:33:31
this the the beginning uh Fisker says it will adopt Tesla's nacs connector we can
00:33:38
move on because they haven't shipped any cars I too am at it and then ACS connector to myself in 2020. I am
00:33:45
announcing by 2025 I will be powered by Tesla money CS connector it didn't work
00:33:51
Fisk or something do we really have to talk about this well because the Fisker also is doing I mean I just think it's
00:33:57
funny first of all that we were we were like oh my God big companies adopting nacs this is cool wow a lot of other
00:34:04
companies do everyone's following the trend we're at the point now we're a company I don't even know if they make cars anymore is adopting the trend or if
00:34:10
you say anything didn't they make one and then like Karma
00:34:15
took it over and made it the Fisker Karma and then the karma Rivero I gotta
00:34:21
tell you a story real quick short story okay my first ever CES in like 2016. I'm
00:34:27
writing for Android authority get like keep that in mind the Fisker CEO John
00:34:33
Fisker whatever his name is like waves me down and was like do you wanna do you wanna do you want to do a like interview
00:34:38
like do you want to do an interview with me like you could write an interview I was like for Android authority he's like
00:34:43
yeah it was like okay so I literally made an article and video with the CEO
00:34:50
of this car have like Android in it or something no he's zero looking for anybody with a notepad they just had
00:34:56
like an EV that they never made on the show floor classic but it's crazy that the CEO of a car company was that
00:35:02
desperate that he wanted the secret special kid I was like 20 years old yeah
00:35:07
I was younger I was like he saw it he saw that dog in you he knew what was coming
00:35:13
the CES special is a car that's never coming out gets coverage at CES I probably still have the video up on
00:35:18
YouTube that's the video too that's amazing wait what are the new I mean we just have also I kind of put this in there because there's the ocean and the
00:35:25
pear right yeah so they look cool give them credit Fisker has announced two new
00:35:31
vehicles uh and the vehicles themselves which they have shown I guess of working
00:35:36
versions of to some press and I've seen some people make videos about them as if they're real they look really cool as
00:35:44
they look six of them and I I appreciate that but there's always this level of like when you do coverage I guess it's
00:35:51
mostly with cars like I I don't really do this with smartphones anymore because you kind of know when it's coming out but like when a car when a car gets
00:35:57
shown to you I I end up having to do like an extra layer of like is this ever going to actually come out and sometimes
00:36:04
you're just wrong about that on their website they have like a bunch of cars that I've like never seen myself
00:36:10
Alaska they're an easy only company aren't they uh well no because it wasn't the Fisker Karma the like hybrid one and
00:36:19
it was like but it was a weird way how they did the hybrid it was a bit different it says nothing about the car but it just lets you am I right
00:36:26
the karma Rivera which we can say is the Fisker Karma I think so it was a hybrid
00:36:32
in the fact that like the gasoline was used to power
00:36:37
was to give electricity to EV Motors versus yeah somewhere differently as a
00:36:43
gas generator for Ev Tech it's very strange it had like the like the middle
00:36:49
the back didn't have a middle seat because the battery went through like the middle of the all the seats I don't
00:36:54
know yeah I don't know the pair in the ocean look cool um but like you said Tab and tell me that car is ever coming out definitely I
00:37:01
don't even know what this is they only made this as a reaction to the Roadster that's literally it yeah this is the
00:37:06
Alaska looks sick but Alaska is a truck hair and ocean are the ones they said are coming out we'll see I also want to
00:37:12
on top of what you said though like and I totally agree you you announce a bunch of stuff you're around for a while but
00:37:18
nothing ever comes out you get skeptical yeah this has happened before and the story has been a success like Lucid one
00:37:25
of the first trips I ever took working here we saw the Lucid air as what they were saying was a very close to finished
00:37:31
prototype so so there's like three categories of car announcement there's one the car gets announced by a
00:37:38
reputable enough car company and then sometime within the next year it comes out that's relatively immediate number
00:37:44
two is car gets announced by either a reputable or somewhat new car company
00:37:49
and it's not on time but eventually it does come out and number three is car
00:37:57
gets announced car never comes out car never had a shot of coming out where's Roadster so Roadster is unknown I tend
00:38:06
to think it's in the eventually category cyber truck also in the eventually category like it's not coming out on
00:38:12
time but it seems to like eventually be coming out Lucid is in the eventually category Lucid definitely got to the
00:38:18
point also of like it was years yeah and it got to the like almost assuming it's
00:38:23
not coming out category like it was in danger of like because the company's Financial history was questionable but
00:38:30
we have uh we have like what was the first one we saw the the faradays the Faraday future I feel like is in the never category so
00:38:37
what comes out first the Fisker Ronin or the parody feature
00:38:43
laughs I could have said ocean repair but I do think those might come out I think their
00:38:49
hair is supposed to be 30 grand yeah it's supposed to be cheap I when whenever it's in the eventually category
00:38:55
there's a really big chance that there's a bunch of changes to it by the time it actually comes out so if we saw the lucid and that was a pretty cool car but
00:39:03
let's be honest there's a lot of things that are different about it same thing with cyber truck like we saw the Cyber truck like five years ago and by the
00:39:09
time it comes out lots of changes interior and exterior so yeah we're seeing this announcement of a Fisker
00:39:14
pair and they're they're saying starting at 29 900 and has this much range and has it looks beautiful but just going by
00:39:23
fisker's record here even if it does eventually come out which I doubt it's
00:39:29
not gonna look like this or be priced like this or have the specs to be fair also does say 2025 so that's it's like
00:39:35
an announcement with a long D at the end of it 2025 is I think a respectable date that
00:39:43
they're not going to hit I think a long way out would be like 2027 or eight yeah or like how um what company it was like
00:39:51
Lamborghini who said that they were gonna have their cars 20 20 30.
00:39:57
almost everyone I promise yeah I think Toyota did one I think Audi did one
00:40:02
um I almost everyone's like 2030 is a pretty good like you got seven years yeah it's pretty that's to completely
00:40:08
change a whole a lot like stop producing ice also and like just this is just a
00:40:13
release one car yeah some of those are nebulous too they're like we want half of our cars sold to be electric by 2030
00:40:20
and you're like okay so you need to like make sure the electric ones are popular and not just existing but terrible so
00:40:26
there's some some interesting uh nuances to those but yeah do you want to take an ad break we're probably in a pretty sub
00:40:32
yeah we got a couple more here we'll do a trivia and then um Adam could ask us when Fiskar was
00:40:38
started and or how long the interview David had with him was
00:40:43
I could find that [Laughter] trivia okay
00:40:50
I don't want to miss herself represent Heinrich NADA and John I think he said yeah um funny you say that because my trivia
00:40:57
question was about the Fisker Ronin I hate it and then you guys spoke about
00:41:02
the Fiskar Ronin so last minute it's a scramble well can you tell us what it was because I just don't know anything about it it was just there are four cars
00:41:08
that you can currently reserve on the website they are the pair the ocean the Alaska and the ones
00:41:13
Yeah you mentioned their own as soon as you guys started looking at the website I was like damn do you know what I can't give them credit for this website is way
00:41:20
better than all the other yeah remember this is actually town website it's so bad it's never coming out either
00:41:27
all right next question so Lucid has two cars the Lucid air and the Lucid what's
00:41:34
that's not true
00:41:53
when I visited Lucid uh to see the air they had like then I can I'll say it was
00:41:59
an it's an SUV under a like a a tarp or whatever recently or the time I went I
00:42:05
was there by myself okay and I think they're showing me the air GT and they're like here's our next project
00:42:10
it's and I was like can you show it to me and they're like no no it's under a tarp and I was like all right well cool
00:42:16
I know it's happening eventually but yeah I'm just gonna do that and see yeah I'm just gonna have a car under a tarp
00:42:22
and people would be like what's that it'll be like no no new EV it's got an ACS yeah can I see it no no no no their
00:42:28
name nope so I don't know the name but I have seen it under a tarp so there's that how do you know it
00:42:34
wasn't just like a cardboard box it was in the shape of an SUV and I think I saw the bottom of the wheels to
00:42:40
be fair half those prototypes basically are cardboard it might have been clay it's like when they put um the like they
00:42:48
put special wraps on cars to like can we camouflage them but it's like you're just pointing it out to me and I know
00:42:54
what the body looks like now also the camouflage wrap on the Cyber truck's hilarious because there's no lines that
00:42:59
it's taking away from like I wonder what that could be anyway all
00:43:05
right we'll get to the answers at the very end but it will be we didn't even get the question yet did we oh no we did get the we did cut that yeah it's Lucid
00:43:12
that's gonna stay in we'll be right back thanks
00:43:22
thank you all right welcome back we've got our last section of headlines in a
00:43:28
hat and second half this is the second hat so this is just EV headlines right just wait till next time we do TV
00:43:35
headlines there's gonna be hats still there's still EV headlines correct headlights and two hats all right I've
00:43:40
got I've got the second to last one it's got all right Lamborghini teases first fully electric
00:43:47
Supercar ahead of official reveal August 18th oh that's that when this comes out
00:43:54
we'll see what it looks like wait I want to see there's not much we can see in this image it's just a very shadowy you
00:44:00
know it's a silhouette wait have we brightened it yet uh we haven't do it live on air here I actually did back in
00:44:06
the day like the OnePlus I think what happened it was like the OnePlus 5 like they released a teaser image and they
00:44:12
literally forgot to like I just took it into Photoshop and like brightened it yeah it revealed the entire thing that's
00:44:18
happened before I did that to a a bunch of subsequent ones and I think Tesla did one where they hid a secret message in
00:44:24
it that said like a nice try but they had actually blacked out the rest of the silhouette yeah this one's not giving me
00:44:30
anything this one will be fun though because uh yeah why we're saying all this if you you might have seen it
00:44:36
already and if you haven't you can hear what we said and then see how wrong we are immediately after because it will have been revealed exactly so
00:44:42
Lamborghini this is interesting Lamborghini is one of companies that I don't know if they ever swore they
00:44:48
wouldn't make an EV for some reason I have it in my mind that Lamborghini said they were never going to make an electric car that's a dumb thing to say
00:44:54
but yeah but uh they did reveal the revuelto which I believe is a hybrid
00:45:01
they'd electrified their Flagship so it's a V12 with a battery and electric motors which they're they're not the
00:45:07
first they're not the last to do this Ferrari has done this with sf90 like we have lots of performance hybrids we
00:45:13
expect one from Porsche lots of others Bugatti the list goes on and on but a
00:45:18
fully electric Lamborghini is interesting uh because well
00:45:23
I guess so to make a long story short they have to contend with weight like any of these uh supercars and Hyper
00:45:31
cars and super fast cars the typical formula when you hear about a new McLaren or a Lamborghini or a Lotus or
00:45:37
anything like that it's a super lightweight car and the way they get so fast is by generating a lot of power to weight and now I want to remember
00:45:45
exactly who said it uh I think it's McLaren Wayne Gretzky
00:45:50
McLaren I'm just getting into the weeds with cars but uh one of their flagships
00:45:56
from like 2016 or whatever it was the McLaren P1 2000 whenever it came out the P1 one of the Holy Trinity was a hybrid
00:46:03
and they're notorious for making really lightweight cars and I think their CEO or someone at the head of them was like
00:46:09
all right for the successors to the P1 we don't want to make like a 2 000
00:46:14
kilogram 2 000 horsepower car like anyone can do that kind of like what remat just did they
00:46:21
just made a head anyone a heavy 2 000 horsepower Supercar and it's fast as a
00:46:26
bullet but it's not quite the same it doesn't have the lightweight spirited feel as an as a performance car should
00:46:33
uh so we're expecting them to not make a fully electric car so that's why it's interesting that Lamborghini is actually
00:46:39
going to make a fully electric car and maybe they have something up their sleeve maybe it's a smaller than we expect battery maybe there's some new
00:46:46
battery Tech that they're going to use I don't know if they have a date they said they're announcing it soon so maybe it's going to come out soon but it's
00:46:51
fascinating I mean if I were to ever think like honestly an EV where I didn't care about
00:46:57
300 miles of range would probably be a sports car that I'm not driving all the time because if you were if you're
00:47:02
affording one of these you have other cars this is not your daily yeah um so that would kind of fit there
00:47:08
pretty well yeah so the revuelto is a 2024 model it has an a six and a half
00:47:13
liter 800 horsepower V12 and three electric motors so it totals
00:47:20
about a thousand horsepower and it's not as heavy as an EV because it's like a small battery it does I don't know six
00:47:27
miles on a battery but it's mostly six miles yeah it's torque fill it's like remember the e-ray so the Corvette e-ray
00:47:34
no tiny tiny battery so what Corvette did they've made rear-wheel drive uh
00:47:39
sports cars for forever they finally made a mid-engine version whatever they've been very successful the C8 is like everywhere and they just made a
00:47:47
hybrid version for the first time it's their first all-wheel drive car what they did is they had the the engine
00:47:52
power the back wheels and the electric motor power the front wheels whoa and they're completely separate from each
00:47:58
other what and so when you switch to from Electric only mode which is front
00:48:03
wheel drive just like petering along at 20 miles an hour when you switch to hybrid mode
00:48:08
there's like this sink that has to happen and this animation plays on the screen and you like see everything like
00:48:14
sync the RPMs and then the engine turns on and matches RPMs and then you're going wow so because there's separate
00:48:19
systems it's crazy yeah this like dance the car has to do to like turn into a hybrid
00:48:24
um truly a hybrid yeah basically but most of these other ones are using the
00:48:30
electric motors as torque fill for the gaps in torque for a normal gas car like
00:48:38
a normal gas engine has a torque curve that looks like this and then you shift gears and it looks like this again and then you shift gears it looks like this
00:48:44
again and so if you're at like 2000 RPM in fifth gear and you floor it you're
00:48:50
not going to immediately jet off you're going to have to wait for it to shift down and then build boost and then get
00:48:55
up torque so while all that is happening the electric motors push you forward as if you have that instant feel that's the
00:49:02
idea of a Performance Hybrid basically uh wow I'm just more power off the like
00:49:07
the launch yeah once you're going it's just it's making the torque curve higher
00:49:12
because you have more total power to deal with this uh I guess we haven't really described the the photo does it not kind
00:49:20
of look like the top of a cyber truck if it got like stepped on foreign
00:49:26
am I wrong well and was created by a company that
00:49:31
cares about what it looks like it's funny you know what's funny about a lot of these newer EVS is there a lot of
00:49:38
sports cars and supercars now are just bigger than ever yeah and this just looks like a big
00:49:43
car like a long car I feel like a lot of Lamborghinis a lot of sedans I think
00:49:49
people underestimate how long they are yeah but a lot of these two-door cars are like almost as long as a sedan like
00:49:55
the Aventador is kind of big dude the rimac was wide big wow yeah the Remax is
00:50:01
the widest car in the entire collection yeah so my knees still feel like they're gonna go through the windshield when I
00:50:08
sat in it but yeah it does look like a like a Magic Mouse kind of yeah I'm interested to see this
00:50:15
because Lamborghinis always look interesting they have their very own stylized choices um and I think some
00:50:21
people really like them I don't love them but like I they look crazy and I appreciate that
00:50:27
I'm gonna just be weird imagine a silent Lamborghini because that will be used to it being so loud and like that's a whole
00:50:32
big part oh are they gonna make a noise I was just gonna ask you yes I think they would do it what happened
00:50:39
to that whatever happened to the Dodge that was making those crazy did that ever come out that's the Camaro
00:50:45
Challenger Challenger oh yeah Challenger Challenger I don't know if it ever came out I don't think it came out yet I
00:50:50
think it was like 2024 car or something Lamborghini kitchen speaker noise I could see that
00:50:56
it seems like they would be the ones who want to do that like the Porsche right now the taikan is actually the loudest Eevee I've ever heard from the outside I
00:51:03
can I can be walking down the street or like near the window of my house and hear a tight can coming before I see it
00:51:10
that's how loud the speaker crazy and I have a feeling Lamborghini might do
00:51:15
something similar I love I just love imagining you as like versus someone who like looks for birds and here's like a
00:51:21
bird chirp he's like that's a red-breasted Robin you're just like
00:51:27
there's a Titan IC wait is it the Challenger or the charger
00:51:33
ciao the article I'm looking at right now says the Dodge Chargers EVS fake exhaust sound yeah I think that leaves
00:51:40
us one last is there one more one more one Mo Okay who wants it
00:51:45
you should pick the last headline I have don't cheat thoughts about the last headline you already know how do you
00:51:51
know what it is did you look in the Hat you didn't even know there was a second hat you've been reading it from the side
00:51:56
we're definitely doing all of this off the Dome and not with an outline okay Tesla launches lower Range model X and Y
00:52:03
that are ten thousand dollars cheaper what oh right we were talking about this yesterday
00:52:09
yeah okay so I have thoughts I'll I'll just give you the black and white nuts and bolts of what Tesla just did and
00:52:16
then we can react to it yeah so Tesla just announced a new base trim for the
00:52:22
model S and model X it is ten thousand dollars less than the previous base trim which was the long range so there was a
00:52:28
long range and a plaid now this is the standard range ten thousand dollar lower price so for
00:52:34
Model S that goes from 89 Grand to 79 Grand and it is a roughly 80 mile shorter Max
00:52:43
battery capacity so the max range goes from the long range about 400 miles to
00:52:48
320 miles uh that's basically it and the question that we had was is this actually a new
00:52:55
vehicle like a new battery a smaller battery being shipped or is this what Tesla's done in the past which is the
00:53:02
same exact piece of Hardware software limited I think so it'll be slower and have less someone confirmed it was a
00:53:08
software limited it is in fact a software limited version yeah so uh yeah slower it is a little bit slower sorry
00:53:15
3.7 instead of 3.1 yeah which honestly also probably software they're gonna feel the same yeah that's a that's a
00:53:21
software limit but our question was like is that worth it and how do we feel about it honestly I think my gut
00:53:28
reaction is most people are going to be fine with 320 miles of range and I think it's probably the best
00:53:36
deal of the model S and X but also it is kind of weird paying for extra
00:53:44
battery and never having access to it because that's happened before people were speculating that they might allow
00:53:49
you to pay to unlock the extra range where people actually speculated they were speculating that this is not oh it
00:53:56
was announced there was a thing saying like will they ever let you buy the rest of the battery yeah later like they they
00:54:03
got into hot water a long time ago for during some like there's a hurricane it
00:54:09
was a hurricane before they software unlocked everyone's extra range which was super cool but then it also
00:54:15
evacuated that they were doing but then it was like wait I had this extra battery the whole time no one knew yeah
00:54:21
so my take is that if you live in a home with a home charger and you generally
00:54:27
don't travel more than 300 miles a day then I would pay the ten thousand
00:54:32
dollars less but if I didn't have a home with a home charger I would probably
00:54:38
Pony up for the extra range I'm going gonna guess that if you're buying a Model S or X which is already more
00:54:45
expensive than the three and the Y then you have enough money to have a home charger because you can get a model you
00:54:50
could get a long range true you could get a Long Range model y for less than the price of this new model S and it
00:54:57
will have more range so if you really care about range you can buy a range but
00:55:03
this is going to be like yeah the luxury bigger S or X um I don't know it's it is yeah it's
00:55:10
weird that you I'm guessing if if Tesla ever does allow you to unlock the battery that you are carrying around
00:55:17
it'll cost more than 10 grand cost 15 to 20. I have a pitch okay that I thought
00:55:22
was kind of interesting but I don't want to give them any ideas or people are going to get mad at me for a potential subscription
00:55:28
up here okay we've talked about in the past about how the full self-driving is like x amount or they were doing
00:55:35
potentially like a subscription model right and people were saying like maybe you're going on a trip or you're traveling a lot one month maybe you want
00:55:42
to pay just by the money oh yeah I think this makes way more sense with range if you have 300 miles of range and you want
00:55:49
to pay for one month where you're doing a really long road trip to get the extra range to make that not as bad
00:55:55
pay a hundred bucks for that month or something like a la carte extra battery
00:56:00
but you spend a lesser amount from the start I actually wouldn't mind that I think that sounds way more reasonable
00:56:06
than paying for because I don't yeah uh like month to month full self-driving if
00:56:13
you're someone who always does road trips the same time of year every year you just pay for that one month I feel like a lot of people do it once a year
00:56:19
yeah why pay the extra 10th I like inherently dislike the the like the
00:56:26
business model of giving you uh everything but software locking it like that is a a pretty new thing that has
00:56:33
only existed in the last few years and it bothers me intensely I can't figure out why it doesn't bother me I I feel
00:56:41
like it should bother me I because the comments I keep seeing are like I paid for all this battery I should be able to
00:56:47
have it yeah but technically you didn't well in this in this case now yeah you you're not paying for it because you are
00:56:53
paying less and like there is an argument to be like well I really did want a Model S and now there is a more
00:56:59
affordable version yeah I think the way that Tesla sees it is like there are people who are not willing to pay 90
00:57:06
grand for a car but that are willing to pay 80 grand for a car and they will they're willing to take a smaller margin
00:57:13
on what they would normally make on the model S if they access this audience that is willing to pay ten thousand
00:57:19
dollars less but not if it was ten thousand dollars more and just for clarity the reason they're not making a new car with a smaller battery for this
00:57:27
price point is because it actually takes more money to develop and create a new SKU and ship two different versions of
00:57:33
the car yeah so they're just gonna continue Mass producing the same car with a software lock and then take a
00:57:40
smaller margin on it to get more people in the door on Model S yeah I get it means they got some sick
00:57:45
margins on the uh oh it's a higher version of course I wonder if anyone will try to hack it to like unlock the
00:57:51
ring someone will definitely try I'll try yeah conspiracy theory yes can you
00:57:58
not everyone all at once question first can you still not buy out the car at the
00:58:04
end of your lease no you can't you cannot do that no so what if they're like leasing these out and then when
00:58:10
they get the car backs they just sell it as the full Range model well or they have the option just to let it whichever
00:58:15
model they want to be true yeah because they do that with full self-driving because you can't buy the car at the end
00:58:21
of your lease so they take it back they install full self-driving and then they sell it for the same price as that new
00:58:26
car but it's a great value because you're getting it with full self drives it'll pay for itself it's weird like do
00:58:32
we think do we feel differently about full self-driving than access to the battery because full self I prefer
00:58:38
access to the battery one's real but okay if you just Define it as full self
00:58:43
driving is software on the car that takes advantage of Hardware that you already have right it's the cameras and
00:58:51
the computer and everything and it's just software on the car yeah and that's the same thing as the extra range it's
00:58:56
software on the car that takes advantage of the hardware the battery that you already have yeah I'll argue the
00:59:02
difference is that the software for full self-driving is ever updating to get better whereas the software to just give
00:59:10
you the range that's in the battery that's just software that's literally locking you out where the other one is software that's growing so I I think
00:59:16
there is an actual difference there um that's why I think the battery one feels a little worse whereas the full
00:59:22
self-driving one like some cameras and stuff they're adding but those are probably like way smaller margin things
00:59:27
where like having this big chunk of battery like those batteries are expensive and you yeah own it yeah I
00:59:34
like technically technically do yeah I don't know well that becomes its whole
00:59:40
other controversy as well as like do you own the thing you do which like Ford got in trouble with with like not allowing
00:59:45
people to sell the car after because but I bought the car I own it why do you get to tell me if I can anymore right
00:59:52
the one weird Quirk with the with the standard Range model S because it's a
00:59:57
software lock is you can charge it to a hundred percent every day and never experience range degradation because
01:00:04
you're not actually charging it to 100 oh yeah that's a good question is at a hundred percent in the in the ramping up
01:00:10
curve of the battery or is like no also probably an advantage you'll probably experience a faster 90 to 100 but if the
01:00:18
battery thinks it's only x amount is this is the the ramping down thing I know it is a hardware limitation but do
01:00:25
they also have stuff built in the software as well to help you protect that's a good question we may have to like play with it but I I would imagine
01:00:32
they kind of treat it like a glass ceiling like it knows it has more battery Hardware but it'll charge on the
01:00:38
ramp on the way 200 and then just cut that'd be pretty sweet it's the first 20. it's funny that we think it's pretty
01:00:44
sweet when really it's literally the exact same thing everybody else is doing already but like yeah and that's looking
01:00:49
at it differently it's one argument for spending ten thousand months though because usually when you're if as long
01:00:55
as your everyday commute like you said is it more than 320 miles or 328 Tesla EPA racing files
01:01:03
um 260. yes yeah like you're only going to charge on a road trip where you're charging multiple times to 80 anyways
01:01:09
because you're losing time yeah so if in this there is 100 you're just do you're doing it exactly the same as the other
01:01:15
car on a road trip yeah yeah ten thousand dollars is a lot of money for like 80 miles
01:01:21
you know you know that's why people are saying it's such a good deal is because you got ten thousand dollars
01:01:27
off and you still get 320 miles yeah I consider that a pretty good deal it's weird it feels like Tesla tried to pull
01:01:32
one over on its customers but maybe the customers are winning on this one because if you're treating road trips exactly the same anyways yeah there you
01:01:39
go yeah and you're charging you're charging your garage to 100 every day you get 320 miles every day and the
01:01:44
person who has the long range car is going to charge to 80 which is also 320 miles you know that's so funny there's
01:01:50
ten thousand dollars you could buy a MacBook Pro a pixel fold
01:01:57
and a magic lead yeah four thousand dollars wasn't it I don't
01:02:04
know I think that's probably it for our thoughts I mean I I doubt we're gonna like get one of these cars just to test
01:02:09
it but I think we're gonna see some tests some people are gonna get these cars and this always happens with Tesla cars people immediately go test them and
01:02:15
see what the behavior is so someone please if you're listening to this and you get one of these standard range cars
01:02:20
plug it into a supercharger go to 100 and measure if it actually slows down
01:02:25
dramatically as it approaches 320 miles or if it just like slams into 320 and
01:02:30
stops because we're really interested in it I want to know LG if you're listening please get me this team 10 of them yeah
01:02:38
the LG stand by me go I need it immediately yeah they're so good at me walking down the sidewalk on your
01:02:43
moonwalkers in your briefcase if I see somebody like real I'm I'm
01:02:51
crossing the sidewalk let's put it that way I'm crossing the street that's it that's it for uh that's it for our
01:02:57
headlines in a hat I think that was pretty fun we know what's coming in the next couple weeks there will probably be some more headlines but you know let us
01:03:03
know if you enjoyed the headlines in a hat can we make a limited edition headlines and a hat hat yeah
01:03:09
yeah it just has the headlines and a half you can call it the headlights in a hat yeah it's called headline dinner
01:03:15
yeah headlines in it yeah and then it's a hat so just as headlines in a in one word across the front of it
01:03:22
that's a great merch I know where and people would be like what is your hat saying like don't worry about it don't
01:03:28
worry about it trivia is the last thing we have to do so let's do it
01:03:33
can I steal a whiteboard trivia so quick update on the score but we don't need to
01:03:40
do that part this is my least favorite part of every episode I think we should do Marquez with four nice Andrew with
01:03:48
wait let me double check the math carry the one oh wait just one okay They
01:03:54
carried it David with six that is a that is it all right that's right nerds so question one
01:04:01
we were talking about YouTube music What audio codec does YouTube music use I
01:04:06
don't know the answer oh I forgot that this is the question total guess I don't even know if this is
01:04:13
a Kodak I think this is just something I see format when it comes with audio
01:04:18
I'm so glad Alice isn't here to just shame all of us right now you know what I'm guessing by I feel like back in the
01:04:23
day I saw a support page for like because I tried this I tried to migrate from Spotify to Google Music oh and I
01:04:30
think I had I saw a support page with this codec on it that's a total Shot in the Dark what do you guys say all right
01:04:38
uh Andrew and I have the same answer I said AAC
01:04:44
good job guys David what'd you say good job guys those are great all right so the Fisker question David uh okay I had
01:04:53
a Here's my thought process okay okay
01:04:58
you know on YouTube music you can switch between like music videos and just hearing the regular music okay I said
01:05:06
m4v which is a video file I know I I'm
01:05:11
aware it's a bold Booth to go for a video question the right idea but yeah
01:05:16
because it's like if you already have audio embedded in a video file you can just start playing you can just keep
01:05:21
playing it because you can dynamically switch between the music video and just the song so why not just get rid of the
01:05:27
video but keep playing keep playing the video but only the audio track I don't know how
01:05:33
files work but I think that I think the audio in a
01:05:41
video file still has to have an audio a code I believe correct because every time you export a video file you still
01:05:48
have to choose what the audio codec is yeah so there's actually two answers to this question right because there's a
01:05:53
container there's AAC and Opus is the other one Opus I don't know what that is
01:05:59
also don't really know what AAC is to be honest audio something
01:06:06
I like that Andrew's audio code audio and Dakota Advanced Audio coding oh I
01:06:12
wasn't that far off that's pretty close well I'm proud of you guys good job so I'm proud of you guys
01:06:18
Andrew plus one you know sportsmanship that's what's called double my points I'm just writing the
01:06:25
Fisker SUV next question it's not Fisker okay Lucid has two cars
01:06:32
the Lucid air and the Lucid what's
01:06:38
and quick clarification to answer marquez's earliest question the second card is not out it is supposedly coming
01:06:45
in 2025 I believe allegedly allegedly
01:06:50
I know nothing about cars I had a joke and then Marquez said something that
01:06:55
made me think maybe I was on the right track so it's gonna be rough when I get this wrong I almost I was like Lucid
01:07:02
Nevada was that what it was flip him and read what do you got
01:07:07
I said the Lucid big boy okay
01:07:14
I said there's the Lucid air and the Lucid C I really wish that was true but
01:07:20
no that would be dope well so I was thinking and then the Lucid lotion and then you said Fisker and I was like oh
01:07:26
did you just mess that up maybe it is the ocean I thought C was funny David what'd you say air ocean fire
01:07:33
everything changed
01:07:39
uh I wrote the sapphire which I know is wrong because it was the air had a sapphire model and it was the fast the
01:07:46
fastest version nope it's the Lucid gravity that's right yeah okay it's
01:07:51
still that's still a good way to stick with the air no yeah it was a good yeah it's a good name okay I like gravity
01:07:57
that's a cool name Marquez doesn't think so that's all right the gravity SUV gravity
01:08:04
I just think that car names seem to be real words like physical properties yeah
01:08:12
no if you don't like the Fisker pair no I don't I don't I think as lame as it
01:08:18
sounds like F-150 like Equinox like Elantra they just should have their own
01:08:24
name so you're not a fan of the Ford it just feels some of them are like rare exceptions
01:08:30
that work that's like that turns like iconic it became something that almost oversteps what a Mustang actually like
01:08:37
is you say mustang you don't think horse you think car yeah true the fourth dimension of word but it's just like I
01:08:43
don't know if the Ford Neutron it's kind of hard to explain air and gravity to people I don't know is it maybe it'll be
01:08:49
easier hey in their icon air is the thing you breathe it's better than computer monitor naming that's that's
01:08:55
true yeah the Ford xg9715 a lot of them are close like even
01:09:01
150 and ev6 are not that far off e100d and all of the p p60 p70 and then G that
01:09:09
actually was a very V6 GT is not that far off from whatever LG model that's very interesting yeah that's fair enough
01:09:16
at least GT is like standardized you know yeah sure an ev6 EV five it's like
01:09:22
everyone knows I mean you can decode all of the modern names too yeah that does make them good anyway that's probably yeah that's it
01:09:30
for this week that's it for her we have no more headlines and hats and we have no more Marquette has had enough
01:09:36
yeah I wish I got more trivia points but you know that's okay I gained one this time so there it is thanks for watching
01:09:44
thanks for listening catch you guys next week waveform is produced by Alice Robin and
01:09:49
Adam Molino were partnering with VOX media podcast Network and our inter outro music was created by vayne still yes I'm looking at you Adam you deserve
01:09:55
to be second today right [Music]
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who did the last is this the test you to do this okay it made me depressed
01:10:22
I don't like talking about Fisker you got to unveil the second hat though that's true yeah that was fun it was
01:10:28
worth it for me
