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For the first time in my memory, you're using two regular size phones. You're not using the XL or the Max, the Pro
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Max. True. Yeah, I just saw that on the table. I had used uh Yeah, for those wondering, my my current dailies are the Pixel 10
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Pro, not the XL, and the iPhone 17 Pro, not the XL.
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Who are you, and what have you done with my kids? You know, it's nice having smaller phones that actually last all day. It's
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really nice. Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez and I'm Andrew and I'm David.
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Yep. David's not here this week. He will be back with us shortly, but we do still have plenty to get into. It's Teember
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after all. Uh so we have uh iPhone Air review is out. iPhone Pro review will probably be
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out around the time this podcast goes out, probably later today. Um, and then of course, uh, some end of the year
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stuff. We might want to talk a little bit about smartphone awards coming up. I think we're going to do our kind of like preliminary smartphone award
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conversation. Yeah. Our way too early starting to hash out our ideas smartphone awards. Uh,
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which should be fun. And then of course we have the Meta event we also got to go to. Uh, it's a lot. It's a lot right
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after this. We talked about the whole event, but you got an interview with James Cameron and there was a couple clips we might play
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at the end of the episode. Yeah, it had a good time. I mean, I I made that whole video on the smart glasses just based on how fast they've
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been evolving. And I put out that video kind of wondering if anyone else would appreciate it as much as I was trying to
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convey in the video. And it turns out a lot of people have like watched that and gone, "Oh, yeah. This is rapidly
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approaching." Yeah. I think what was also interesting is a lot of the articles got written, but I don't think people know you guys
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got to try everything and do your stuff before the event. That was totally brutal. And so like a lot of articles
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and stuff were really positive because the actual device is good, but people were confused at how it could seem that
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good when the event was so bad. But it's cuz you guys got to try it beforehand. Did we talk last week about why the
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event was so trash? What happened? Oh, because we didn't find out till after. Yeah. So, I guess maybe if we didn't
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mention it, last time we we were talking about the event and how all the demos failed so poorly. And I think literally
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a couple hours later, Bos got on his social media and explained what happened, which was fairly I mean, you know,
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again, props to them for doing a live demo and trying it, but they were trying to like isolate Mark's glasses on their
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own Wi-Fi network, but apparently they had just accidentally isolated all meta glasses. So apparently
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the first cooking demo I they they say and someone can correct me on the exact terms of this but that
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the meta live AI was supposed to be routed to a dev server for that
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but I guess all of them were routed to it and when he in the video said meta turn on live AI it turned on everyone's
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glasses to that same server in the audience and dodo which turned out to overload apparently. Uh, that's still an
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excuse from meta, so take it as you will on if it just worked good or bad. But it is a kind of funny thing.
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Yeah. It makes me believe that they did that demo many times flawlessly and nothing went wrong until everyone showed up to the event with their own glasses
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and then of course it went wrong. Yeah. Um, the other one was a different he said there was a bug where the glasses went to sleep right as the call
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was coming in or that seems a little worse. I also think when he was out running, I think there was supposed to
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be a third live demo cuz he said, "We're going to do one more live demo and they just completely didn't say anything about that and they're pretending it
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didn't happen." And it was just a montage of him with running with Diplo for some reason, which I don't know why we were watching
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that, but it happened. Um, so anyway, yeah, that that was interesting to see. And there's been some like reactions to
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my video, too, which are really interesting. So, that's out there. Um, and like I said, TechTember and Tectober
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always a blast. Just wanted to thank you guys for following along. We've dropped like bonus episodes. We've had lots of
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really well-received episodes here and lots more coming up. This is why we do this. This is like the
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playoffs of our workflow and like just putting together as much good stuff for you guys to stay up todate as possible.
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So, even though it kind of feels in my head like I'm behind, like I wish my iPhone reviews were all up last week and
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they'll be right on time when they do drop later this week and the next week. Um, but thank you guys for for watching
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them and for staying up to date with us. It's a marathon, not a sprint. The crazy thing about the air being a
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week and a half late, right? Um, yeah. Something we were discussing what we
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thought it would be view-wise in 24 hours. It was around 3 million views, which was higher than we thought. And
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that video was a 6 out of 10 out of our last 10 videos. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. That's insane. I mean I the air is very
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popular and we know people are watching videos about it but yeah the fact that a extremely well viewed video in like
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another month that would be like a one out of 10 is a 6 out of 10 which is insane. Can I say no one has asked me any questions about the pro.
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I've gotten so many people texting me and messaging me and asking me about the Air specifically. So, you know what's
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funny? And maybe the video is not up by the time the pod goes up, but my opening thesis with the Pro review, it's like
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the other iPhones are all getting all the attention. Like the Air gets the most views on YouTube, and the 17 is the
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one most people should get. It's the best deal, but the one that most people buy is the Pro and the Pro Max by far.
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Uh Dbrand shared with me some numbers because I wanted to give some concrete evidence of this because I've seen this many, many times, but I just wanted a
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real breakdown. What percent of orders do you think are the Air from Dbrand's
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own website? So they offer the same accessory for Air base 17, 17 Pro and 17
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Pro Max. Which what fraction of EP orders do you think are for the Air? So is this the percentage of the iPhone
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sales or total sales on their on iPhone sales? So, they offer one accessory for like iPhone uh skins, for
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example, and they offer this skin for the 17, the 17 Air, the 17 Pro, and the 17 Pro Max.
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I'm going 30%. 30% air. I think it's single digits, but only
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because I think if you're buying an iPhone Air, you are going caseless, skinless, like you are leaning into the
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fashion heart of it. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I was going to say even I'm assuming you're going to tell me pro is
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like winning by a landslide, but I also kind of assumed people bought the Pro because of the orange, which is you
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probably don't want to put a skin on it. Although they're I don't know how Dbrand's exactly doing the slots now, but you can really do
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some cool mixing and matching, I'm assuming, with like orange carbon or orange like robot camo or something.
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That's my plan. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. I don't How much air percentage? 13%.
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5% are Air. Yeah. 7% is base iPhone 17, 31% is Pro, and
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56% is Pro Max. Oh my god. More than half of the orders are Pro Max, and almost 90% are Pro and Pro Max.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but cuz we have this discussion most years. We're like, why the Pro Max is out selling everything? This is crazy. We think it's
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because in the US so many people get their phones through carrier deals where
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you're sort of incentivized to get the most expensive phone. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think I think a lot of people
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walk in the store and just go, "All right, here's all the new iPhones. What's the best one?" And they'll probably look at the Air cuz it's thin.
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And then they'll also look at the Pro and they'll go, "Oh, yeah. The Pro, the Pro Max is the best one every year. Best battery, best cameras."
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I think on top of that is the way carrier like deals are is they're not really telling you the price. They're
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saying like the difference between these two phones is like $3 a month on your bill, which is obviously
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leads up to being pretty expensive, but not when you look at it that way. It's like car sales.
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Exactly. So, I think a lot of people look at the payment and they go, "Yep, give me the big screen, big camera, big battery." So, the Pro Max Yeah. 56% over
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half are. So, so when I'm reviewing the Pros, there's this interesting uh
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balancing act of okay, these are the most pro iPhones ever, and they're doing things like ProRes RAW and Gen Lock and
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things that I only really expect people who are actually doing serious work with
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the iPhone to take advantage of. And then it's also the most mainstream iPhone ever at the same time. That's
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hard to review, but that is also what's happening. So that's fun. We're talking about carriers and you mentioned genlock. I would love if there
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was some guy at a carrier store who when he's preaching he's just like it's got genlock and want to see if a single
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person if there's a if there's someone working at like a Verizon store out there just pepper in genlock every time he
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talks about the new iPhone and see if anyone reacts. That's when James Cameron walks in. Yeah. He walks in he's like dude this
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phone has genlock. You're going to love it. Yeah. So yeah, that review that's all coming out soon. Um but what else we
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want to talk about? Did you watch the iFix it video on the air? It just came out what, yesterday or
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today? So, I haven't watched the video. I think um I watch I read the article where they gave it a preliminary 7 out of 10 for a
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repairability. Uh and had a lot of nice things to say about being able to take off the front glass independently from the back glass.
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When you take off the glass, the parts are rearranged inside, but seem relatively easy to access just the
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battery or just things you want to replace. So, good news on repairability
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for a very thin, complex device. Oh, I'm eating my words totally because every time I talked about this phone, I
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was like, "This will be the least repairable phone ever." And it is equally as repairable as all of the other iPhones, which apparently in the
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last few years have gotten they solid. Not great. They're not 10. They're not fair phones,
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but they're not twos like they have been in the past. Yeah. Um, but yeah, like what you mentioned, um, iFix it was really
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worried about the dual entry where you can either just go take the back glass off and get straight to the battery and
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components or take the screen off. Yeah. Um, by itself, it still has that. Um, everything is pushed up to the top. The
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iFix that people said they think the battery actually really helps with the structure and helping it not bend as
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much by just like being extra support throughout the rest of um, the phone. And the components up top,
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they I guess they were doing it before the release day somehow because they said there's a couple screws that were a
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little tricky and a couple of the ways all the ribbon cables because everything's so crammed up right next to
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the camera were tough, but they got it out. And then on day one of release, all
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the disassembly guides were posted by Apple and it explains how to get all those screws and order of everything.
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So, they were pretty impressed by that. Um, I think it's just we've seen all the
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renders of inside the phones, but seeing inside that phone is really cool because of what they did. I mean, it is like
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USBC port, Taptic Engine takes up like 3% of the bottom. They're just like
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battery for 80% and then just like everything really crammed into the last. It makes a lot of sense and it's funny
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seeing the things I chose to get rid of because obviously there's no SIM card tray at the bottom. Obviously, there's no speakers at the bottom, but there is
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still the tactic engine, which is very important, and it is still at the bottom. And I also I didn't have this thought until after I published my review, but I
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bet there was a lot of thought about how topheavy it could have been with that strategy because if most of the heavier
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components are at the top, I guess the batteries, but just like how would it feel balance-wise in the hand, but it that
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obviously worked out just fine. Uh yeah, it it just worked out really well. can say I feel like we kind of
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confirmed that the USBC housing is different and tighter because we have these uh metal mil stands that we use
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for the robot shots to put the iPhone on and none of those because they're not normal USBC cables. I guess the
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tolerances are a bit off fit in either of the phones. Um just a little bit
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tighter I guess. But even in the iFix video, there's some cool stuff about how they're doing the 3D printing um on
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whatever it is. They think it's from a patent from a few years ago that Apple has. Um, and there there's I highly
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suggest going to watch the video because it's pretty cool. And at the end, they wind up taking just the frame and
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bending it and it actually it only breaks at the antenna. That's like the weak point of the frame
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with it, which is very in line with a lot of previous iPhones. Like if you go all the
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way back to when the 6 Plus bent, it was mostly at the antenna lines, too. But then obviously future iPhones have
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had to think a lot about that. So yeah, turns out the interior of the phone is helpful for structure.
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One more fun fact from it, the battery in the MagSafe battery pack they're
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selling is not just similar, it is the exact same battery to the point where they battery swapped them into the
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iPhone air and it booted up. Yeah. Which I thought was really cool. Yeah. So they're it's not a lazy
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accessory, but it's like the fact that it's the same exact battery, but then you lose like 40% to wireless charging.
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Yeah, that's a cool It doesn't actually charge the phone fully. No, it charges 60%. Right. 60ish%. Yeah. Which is kind of a bummer.
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That's just cool seeing the number of what you lose. But also it, you know, some of Apple's problems sometimes are
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selling parts. I don't know how hard it is to get a battery, but you can buy a battery. It just comes in a really expensive case
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to buy it to replace it down the line. both. So interesting. I just want to leave this idea here. What? One day we need to do a bonus
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episode that's just all the weird patents Apple holds across so many
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different industries cuz they're all out there. You know, we can read them and and in so many other research projects, we found
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so many weird ones like in their audio systems. And I don't know. I think this is a good bonus. I think a good bonus
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episode would be grabbing one of those people whose whole job is to like keep
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an eye on patents to find things in the future because not only could they then talk about those better than we could,
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but also like I want to know what the job is of just like I wake up in the morning, where do I check all these patents in different countries and like
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find the random Apple battery tech in Ireland that's like groundbreaking.
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Dynamic Island in Jamaica. Yes. Is that a banger video? Top 10 weirdest Apple patents.
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possibly craziest thing was they patented. I remember when Vision Pro is like in the works and still a secret.
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There's all these weird patents that started making rumors get a little crazy. I love Hacker News. I don't know if you
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spend any time there, but there's so many weird forums in Hacker News that end in someone being like like with
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people being like, "How does this work? How does this feature in an Apple device work?" And then someone goes, "Up, I found the patent. They reverse
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engineered a thermometer out of a resistance sensor and here's the patent for it." Sick. The one thing YC gave us that was
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good. [Music] Nice air.
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Nice timing. But yeah, that that there's a lot of
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interesting stuff going on with these phones. Stay tuned for the pro review if it's not out yet. And of course, the 17 review, it's going to be quote late
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because the phones are out, but I think it's still a really interesting phone and uh it'll come up later in this
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episode again. Sure. Um Oh, hinting. Yeah, I agree. I was gonna bring it up later,
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too. I think it will. I also will come up, but you also did something this week.
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You know what else is late? I was It can't be late if it never happens.
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Yeah, probably. All right. What happens? Perennially late. Uh, I posted in the Slack. I I cancelled my Tesla Roadster
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reservation. The one that I paid for. The one you paid for? Yeah. Now that's so that's uh a
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distinction because in my account I've for has it been a decade yet? Almost 2017,
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right? So it's been eight years. Uh I've had two Tesla Roadsters in my Tesla account. one that I paid for. And
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the way that worked is you pay the $5,000 payment immediately for the reservation. And then within 10 days,
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you you net $50,000 to Tesla. And then when they deliver the car, whenever that
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is, you will pay the rest of it. I think totaling $250,000. So Tesla has been sitting with my 50
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grand for eight years and hasn't done anything with it, obviously. Uh,
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meanwhile, the other one in my account is a referral reward. So, it's a founder series and all that really means it's
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going to be maxed out. It's going to be one of the first thousand and I guess that's it. And I obviously didn't pay
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for that because that's a a referral award. Mhm. So, I've been sitting with these both in my account for so long and I'm just
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like, well, one one Roadster, two Roadsters. I I clearly don't need two.
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And there was no reason for why I'm doing it now, but I'm just like, how about I just do something else with this 50 grand? I'll get 45 grand back. The
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first 5K I don't get back. Oh, you don't get that back? But I do I did cancel the second Roadster in my account and I will still
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allegedly get one of the first thousand Roadsters and I'm fine with that. But can I tell you a fun fact? What that
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might make you sad? We were both looking up similar things. I think right if you had taken that $50,000 8 years
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ago Oh, I know. and put it into a Tesla stock, how much do you think you would have right now? Just Tesla stock.
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Just Tesla stock. 50K of Tesla stock 8 years ago is probably 5xed at least. Probably more.
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It's probably worth 400 grand. According to Finnlow.io stock calculator, you would have 747 grand.
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See, that's the thing is Tesla's Tesla just had that money the whole time. I
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could have done so much with that. Um, so yeah, I'll do something else with it now.
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Wait, so how much how much of that will you get? I'll get 45k back. And I the thing about this, it was kind of crazy.
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When you call Tesla and you go, "Hi, I'd like to cancel my Roadster reservation." You have to call
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Well, if you log into your account and you have a reservation, typically if you don't want to go through with it,
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there's a cancel button. But with the Roadster, which by the way is still in my account because I only did this like
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a day or two ago, you go to manage your reservation and there is no cancel button next to the Roadster. You have to
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go in and hit manage. And when you hit manage, it goes, here's a phone number.
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Here's an email address. And you call that phone number. And I actually did this for a couple days and just got
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voicemail, which was great. And I finally got through to someone and it was uh somebody in basically vehicle
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sales. And I asked them if they could cancel my Roadster reservation. And there was a really long pause and they
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were like, "A Roadster?" And then they put me on hold. and they came back and they were like trying to figure out who
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to direct the call to. Uh, and then they promised, the first person who did it promised that they would get it
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cancelled and get my reser or get my uh, deposit back, but just to like wait a
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little while and then I waited like two weeks and nothing happened. So, I called again this week and it was the same guy and he
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then figured out how to uh, I get like a message in my Tesla account to put in the details of getting the the money
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back or whatever. They're going to mail me a check within like a month or something. So, what is that?
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That's still easier than trying to cancel my Planet Fitness account. I was going to say somewhere in between
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like canceling your Prime account, canceling your, you know, gym membership. Like, there are there are
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harder things to do, but this was pretty hilarious. This is the most valuable car company in
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the world. Yes, it is. And part of the reason why is
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for eight years. You think they got there by giving people their money back? Yeah. So now you still have one in your
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account, correct? If it were to come out, you still get a Roadster. If if everything that they're saying is
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still true, and I actually take Tesla's word for it, I will still be getting for free one of the first thousand.
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And that's the referral one as that's the referral one. If I remember correctly, the reason you
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is cuz that's the founders edition, right? Yeah. And the you wanted one but in the
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different color. The second one I was going to get was like 52% discounted because of my additional
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points. So it was like I had earned one and a half free Roadsters and I just cancelled the half free one
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to get my 50 grand back and I'll just still get a free Roadster. Okay. So I'm instead of paying half price for
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two Roadsters, I'll pay $0 for one. Allegedly. Allegedly. All of this is alleged.
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I honestly think you at best have a weird Tesla NFT. So yeah, it they're
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both still in my account as of this very moment. See, nice two roaders. Uh but yeah, that's that's it. No cancel
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button or anything. Just a just a mystery. Yeah, this is you can still reserve the roadster.
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When you click on it, this is what you get. Wait, really? I can go there and reserve it right now. You can still pay 50 grand if you'd like
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to. I would love to know those numbers. How many people are still reserving roadsters today?
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It can't be any. It's been seven year, eight years. It took it off the top of the website. So, it's just S3XY
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solar roof solar panels Cyber Truck Power Wall. I just had to in Google type Tesla Roadster and it brings you to the page.
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So, you can find it. Yeah. And they'll take your money. Oh, yeah. There's still a reserve page. Yeah. There's also a get updates button, which
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must be the least used button in any website ever. I'm still very out of the loop with the
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Roadster. Mhm. Have there been updates that will make it still worth it? Oh, I don't know. Okay, so here's what happens. Every year
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or two, Fron or Elon will go on a Tesla related podcast and the Tesla fan
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running the podcast will save it for the very end and go, "Hey, any Roadster updates." And every single time this
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happens, Fron or Elon will very politely give no information, but they will tease
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that they have been continuing development on it and that it has gotten better since the original announcement.
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So, I think Fron has said stuff like, "Oh, yeah. No, every single spec is better than what we originally
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promised," which I find the range part hard to believe. 620 m was
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Yeah, they they say 200 kWh battery and 620 mi range, which I don't think that
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makes a lot of sense for a small sports car. When it came out, they also were saying the 0 to 60 was basically only limited
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by like rubber, like the rubber of the tires. So, if they're saying that's different, have they developed
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new tires? Well, no, cuz they were going to do the SpaceX package with rocket thrusters,
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cold air. They invented new cold air thrusters. Cold gas thrusters on it. So, I mean, at the event they promised is 1.9 seconds 0
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to 60, but now they'll they'll do 1 second flat with the SpaceX package. So, Oh, half.
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Yeah. So, they keep promising that, but then also they will say, but it's just
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dessert. Like we have other things that we talked about for this whole other podcast. Cybertruck is very important.
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We want to ramp up production of Model Y and which is brand new and then we'll probably refresh Model 3 and also we've got the Cyber the Semi-Truck and also
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these other things and they'll say everything about the Robo Taxi and the Robo Van Van Roadster. So Roadster is
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like the icing on the cake, the cherry on top. And they've said that every year for eight years straight.
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I I guess my question is like if it does come out, will it still be dope?
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I think if you were to be as generous as possible, which I think lots of Tesla fans are,
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and you give them all the benefit of the doubt, which is like, okay, they set deadlines, but they never hit them, but they eventually deliver what they
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promised. You know, if that's the history of the Cybert truck, even though they didn't exactly deliver what they
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promised, they still delivered the truck. They didn't exactly hit the price, but they delivered the item. If
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you give them all of that benefit of the doubt, this would be an incredible uh price to performance monster. Like
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there are other EVs out now. There are things like even Tesla's own Plaid Model
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S, but also Lucid Air Sapphire. And then you go all the way up to Rimat's Nea. And there are EVs now that are genuinely
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in like 9/4 mile times, like 1000 horsepower, you know, twodoor or
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four-door. The Tyan Turbo GT is a monster. So, these cars exist now, but this would be the cheapest one. This
00:24:04
would be 200 grand with the same performance as the well, I guess $250,000 or $2 million Lucid Air
00:24:12
Sapphire or Ramatz Nea. So, it would be sick. It would probably be really fun. It would be cool. It would charge a
00:24:17
Tesla superchargers. It would have a ton of range and it would have great software. And it would be still a compelling vehicle for some tiny
00:24:23
fraction of people who can afford it. If it comes out, it ever does come out. I think when it
00:24:29
was first announced it was like these numbers have never been achieved ever by anyone. It was way cooler back then.
00:24:35
That's why I was asking cuz I remember when this came out it was like a huge deal or came out quote unquote when they
00:24:40
were an announcement. It was like dope. It was like oh this car is going to be insane. Now it's been a almost a decade.
00:24:46
We have other super fast hypercars. Like would it still be insane? Yeah. I mean they rolled it off the truck and they gave I think the if you
00:24:52
go through the numbers one by one it was like the 0 to 60 number we'd never seen sub 2 seconds ever. Today we've seen
00:24:59
like two or three cars achieve it on a prep service all electric. Okay, awesome. They'd never seen 600 miles of
00:25:05
range on an electric car. We still have not seen that. I don't think we will, but we we have not seen that yet. Um
00:25:11
they also gave the quarter mile time I think was going to be 8.8 seconds, which would be on par with the rimats, which
00:25:19
is $2 million, and nothing short of a million dollars will get under 9 seconds. So that would still be pretty
00:25:25
crazy. Uh, it's got two seats in the front and then like kind of two more
00:25:30
small seats in the back and a removable roof and some other I think it had a front trunk and a back trunk. So, it'll
00:25:37
be kind of unique, but nothing else too crazy. So,
00:25:42
I can't believe I'm even giving them the benefit of the doubt, but about a month and a half ago, Elon said there will be
00:25:48
a Tesla demo by the end of the year. You did not say it was for the Roadster.
00:25:54
So, it could be for another stupid robot or another fake self-driving thing, right?
00:25:59
But it could be for the Roadster. So, the thing that has been most consistent with the with this like Roadster thing is the cold gas thrusters
00:26:07
being placed all around the car. If they're on the back of the car, they'll make the car accelerate forward really quickly. If they're on the front of the
00:26:13
car, they can potentially act as extra stopping power. And if they're under the car, then they could
00:26:19
it'll fly. It'll jump. It'll fly briefly on top of the car down force. This is, by the way, entirely Elon
00:26:25
tweets. This is no Tesla official communication. This is not like Tesla saying, "This is a promise they're going
00:26:30
to make." This is just Elon probably peeking in the lab once in a while or like the drawings on the wall of the
00:26:36
design room and being like, "Hey, this thing could fly." Right? So, uh, yeah, we don't know if that's what the demo is
00:26:41
later this year, but that is potentially something that we get teased, which would be hilarious because they've
00:26:47
already announced the car eight years ago. Are they going to tease it again? and be like, "Keep waiting, but you can
00:26:53
give us your money." The reserve button is still there. The reserve button. Have you seen those like those Instagram
00:26:58
reel or Tik Tok edits that's like a like a bus about to crash into a wall and
00:27:04
they just keep switching camera angles like right before it crashes. That's what this is like. All of those are like the This is the
00:27:11
pacing of One Piece. Never actually gets to the point. Yeah. Um Okay. What do you want to talk? Uh, I
00:27:18
have a quick keyboard thing if we could um give it as hard as possible. Is it a real keyboard? A
00:27:23
real keyboard? Well, let's see the real keyboard. Well, okay. I don't have the real keyboard I'm going to talk about, but I have an example to help us understand.
00:27:29
Just as good. I think this is a pretty It's just like the Roadster. Let's get a demo of the technology.
00:27:36
Um, all right. So, I've showed you guys plenty of artisan keyboards, ones that
00:27:42
are way too expensive and crazy materials, like that 10 lb Gist machine that I brought in the one time. Um, so
00:27:49
one thing that's people have been trying to make more premium in the keyboard world lately is key caps. Because even
00:27:56
in the big, you know, full copper, like weight metal, crazy material, artisan
00:28:02
keyboards, all the key caps are basically the same. They're either made out of PBT or ABS. There's a company called GMK that has like the monopoly on
00:28:09
the like really plastic. ABS and PBT are plastic and then GMK is the company that makes caps out of ABS
00:28:15
and they're like pinnacle S tier. um they're the ones everyone wants and they
00:28:21
are still super expensive. But at the last few years, people started making ceramic key caps as kind of this like
00:28:28
way of you know upscaling the materials on
00:28:33
uh key caps themselves to try and have this more premium feel. I do have a example of one here. This is key caps
00:28:40
from a company called Pwnage. I just wanted to give you and shiny try and test them out. Yeah, they are
00:28:45
very glossy. And these are ceramic keys. These ones are ceramic key caps on a metal body.
00:28:51
Okay. Keyboard. They they kind of give like a slightly deeper or in the keyboard world thier uh
00:29:00
sound. I'm sorry. What' you call me? Um Marquez is typing on it right now.
00:29:06
It's Wait, Marquez saying anything. What do you think he's typing? Uh Marquez is the best. This You should
00:29:12
subscribe to the Waveform podcast right now. You should unsubscribe from the MKBHD channel and move your subscription
00:29:17
to the Waveform podcast. I'm actually typing I am the best typist in the world.
00:29:23
Mine's usually Andrew is the best. Did you enter when you finished the sentence?
00:29:30
Of course I did. And I typed it again after the enter, too. So yeah, this is like kind of the step
00:29:35
some companies are trying to take in making a more premium key cap. But Keyron just announced something a little
00:29:42
more interesting. Okay. Possibly they're making the world's first fully ceramic
00:29:47
keyboard where the key caps and the base of it, the case are actually all
00:29:52
ceramic. There's a picture of it in our thing. It is the same glossy all around the entire keyboard. This thing
00:29:58
probably weighs 35 g. I don't I'm not totally sure. It's It's so glossy. I don't know how this is
00:30:05
going to go. So, it's called this Q16H though. They're going to be hall effects, which means you can't even change the switches really because they
00:30:11
probably won't be compatible because of the magnetic way it attaches and sends signals. Um,
00:30:17
but my main concern with this is ceramic is when a ceramic key caps, you know,
00:30:23
they're small. There's not a lot of break points. When you have a whole wide keyboard now made out of ceramic, what
00:30:28
is the opportunity of just like a little drop or a rage and this thing just snaps
00:30:33
in half? Uh, that's like a crack straight down the middle. I think it should be pretty durable, right? Like ceramic, I guess
00:30:39
it's a little bit more brittle, but ceramic ceramic shield is a totally different thing on the iPhone, but
00:30:44
that's scratch resistant. But then also, remember the the essential phone? Yeah, but that's not a metal rail,
00:30:50
right? That was a ceramic back. Yeah. And that phone was like a little heavier. But imagine this is just straight
00:30:57
ceramic. So, like I'm talking less of like will it scratch or like I'm talking like because it is the support of the
00:31:04
entire case. You think about like a toilet bowl cracking, right? Is I guess porcelain
00:31:09
ceramic. How similar are those? Probably sounds. Ceramic is not a thing. It's like a It's a collection of unrelated materials that
00:31:16
you can all describe as ceramic. Oh, so cool. It's it describes uh heat treated
00:31:23
inorganic materials I think. Oh, no. I'm not a
00:31:29
material scientist. Organic. But I do know that the family of ceramic materials are all extra resistant to
00:31:36
acidic corrosion when compared to other inorganic materials like your sweaty, sweaty fingers when
00:31:43
you're gaming. True. It does say they resist damage from acids um and general wear and tear. They can withstand extreme temperatures,
00:31:50
but they are also known to be hard and brittle, which is not what I want my keyboard to be. But but but you slam it on your keyboard
00:31:57
that hard, but you're not gaming hard enough. Ceramic materials are stronger under
00:32:03
compression than other materials. They're weaker under tension and shearing.
00:32:08
And I would argue that key caps mostly face key caps
00:32:15
whole keyboard case. Yeah, tension. I see that. Is that tension? I don't know. Like if you hit the left side really
00:32:21
hard and then the right side really hard and you put like some amount of torsional force through the whole board.
00:32:28
Maybe that's bad. Or you lose a oneon-one and just Well, that's going to be bad no matter what.
00:32:34
No, it's not. This metal one would be totally fine. Yeah, but you're going to break your desk if you do that with that. Yeah, well the desk is probably cheap.
00:32:39
No, I'm just kidding. Um anyways, I thought it was kind of interesting. Also, I have, if you want to hold, this is a GMK ABS, and this is the ceramic
00:32:46
space bar. GMK ABS is a like this is like the normal cream of the crop regular key cap. I feel like
00:32:52
the best way to feel the difference or hear the difference is put your mic and tap these on the table
00:32:58
classic porcelain.
00:33:04
It's like they're pretty solid, the difference of them. My biggest issue is they're super shiny and glossy.
00:33:12
Um, wait, this is better. Here's a plastic drop. Watch it just snow. Here's a ceramic drop.
00:33:18
Oh, they're quite a bit different. Yeah. So, I'm very thy
00:33:25
sound, idiot. Um, yeah. I don't know. I thought it was kind of cool. It's only $219, which is weird because the some of the ceramic
00:33:32
key caps I think Seraki was the first ones doing it and like I think they're almost 200 bucks by themselves. So,
00:33:37
we'll see what this is. I think there are it's going to be a bit lower quality, but we'll have to see one day.
00:33:44
Keyboards f is it I also This is maybe a noob question, but like the fact that almost all keyboard uh key caps are
00:33:51
plastic. Is that because plastic is lightweight? You need them to be light so that you can move them around. It helps with like
00:33:58
spring weight on a switch, but I really think it's just because it's the e like I think it's way easier to do. There are
00:34:05
metal ones um cuz we've done like artisan escape keys and stuff, but those are those are there are some companies that do full
00:34:10
metal key caps. I think the main thing is is also when you're full metal al key mist,
00:34:17
that's a movie reference, right? Uh show reference close. Um, I think it's honestly a lot of times when how
00:34:23
the key caps sound on a keyboard, generally keyboard cases are either plastic or metal and they just don't
00:34:30
sound as good. It kind of the like plastic. I don't know how to describe
00:34:35
it. The way Yeah, it makes there's a lot of weird noise names in the keyboard community, but um I'm sure everyone's
00:34:41
bored of this conversation by now. So, there's some fraction of people who are like, I want to hear more typing from this keyboard. Well, I'm sure there will
00:34:47
be plenty of, you know, the best part about the keyboard world is you can just listen to videos of people typing. And
00:34:53
it's a weird hobby, but there's a 17- hour uloglog of just typing, isn't there? I have a 5 hour video of typing. I have
00:35:00
I do have a I think a 10-hour u log of um fire fiery crackling noises and me
00:35:07
typing on a Do you remember what you were typing when you were making that? I think I just pulled up a like infinite
00:35:13
monkey type or something like that. Oh, just random words. No, no, no. Actually, I um I think for the Christmas
00:35:19
one, I pulled up a Christmas song and typed the whole Christmas song and then just did it on repeat.
00:35:24
Smart. Yeah, smart. But yeah. Okay, one more thing we want to talk about,
00:35:30
which is we're going to really quickly just mention people who are clipping waveform shorts.
00:35:36
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I We've been getting it more often. Yeah. And I think this is what happened. I I watch I clicked I clicked on one I
00:35:44
think it was on YouTube and then YouTube's algorithm was like oh you like watching MKBHD
00:35:50
uh waveform shorts and it like ran out of our own shorts to serve us and it just started serving me all of the people who are just clipping waveforms
00:35:56
so I'm just getting them recommended to me now uh and they're f like it's cool that
00:36:02
people like are entertained by clips of the podcast and like clip parts that they think are interesting but some people are like deep frying them and
00:36:08
like really editing them and it's a little much sometimes. I'll allow it. I
00:36:13
think it's okay. I just would like if they gave credit to Waveform or like tagged MKBHD in the title or something
00:36:19
like that cuz some of them I've seen clips I think I saw one with like 120 million views on YouTube shorts.
00:36:25
A lot. Yeah. Which is like that's kind of a lot to be honest which
00:36:30
is all just from like clipping uh some of the things that I've said apparently in this micro. And I don't even care about that like
00:36:36
we're not getting those views. It was that that specific one had zero links or credit back to Waveform at all.
00:36:43
Yeah. Put a watermark of their own channel straight across the middle as if it was like all their own stuff and then has
00:36:49
the like audacity to have this big thing in there about like this is fair use when it was just like straight rip from
00:36:57
ours with subtitles and a couple B-roll stuff. Yeah. So like don't put your watermark over our faces for your channel. Um that was
00:37:05
bad. The only the other issue I have with one is they don't really give credit maybe a little bit but then like
00:37:11
the main thing on their channel is selling some like the link in their channel is selling some crappy like
00:37:16
Instagram pack something. So don't sell stuff on our with our faces on it.
00:37:21
Yeah. Um we've had other people though that it was great. They linked they like have
00:37:27
our tag on all of the titles in their channel. It links to the waveform. Like if I just want people to be able to
00:37:32
watch a clip and then be like, "Where can I go find this?" And then have an easy way to get there. The number one behavior that we I think
00:37:39
there's two possible behaviors from seeing a clip like that. One is, "Oh, I I kind of enjoyed that clip. I want to
00:37:44
see more from that episode or more of this conversation. Where do I go to find it?" Well, if it's just a random link
00:37:50
farm or just like a person just clipping thousands of things and just blasting it all over, like they'll never find it.
00:37:55
The other is, "Oh, that was kind of a fun conversation. Next time I see you know, this face or these people, I'll
00:38:02
probably watch it again because I enjoyed it, which is kind of a net positive. Like the the waveform image is
00:38:08
just out there, which is super cool. Um, but yeah, on the first front, it would be nice if they had a way to like
00:38:14
waveform. The easiest way to do that is tag waveform in the title. So when someone sees it and likes it, they can just clip it and we will be very happy
00:38:20
with that. And even if you don't, just don't link to some sketchy. Yeah. Don't don't sell stuff on our
00:38:26
behalf. That's just weird. Um, and you should probably Google what fair use is. Yeah. Just because you put what fair use
00:38:33
is doesn't mean it's fair usees. It's like, do you remember Oh, I really hope I got this right off my memory. I
00:38:38
think it was Google when a bunch of Google stuff came out in the FTC trial.
00:38:45
How Google employees would just say attorney client privilege in their DMs thinking that that somehow made the
00:38:51
deal. I declare bankruptcy. It was like the equivalent of that. I declare fair use.
00:38:58
You know something that started happening recently and I I've never said this out loud but I think I can
00:39:04
which is now it's not specific to a company but there was many many many years of um me
00:39:10
doing covering embargoed products where I would get an email from a company saying hey we have something to share
00:39:16
with you. Would you like more information? If so here's an NDA to sign. I sign the NDA. I return it and
00:39:24
then they send me the information that is bound to that NDA. But at least in the last like two or three years, I've
00:39:30
gotten a lot of emails even from massive companies that are like, "Hey, all this information is embargoed. Bl here's all
00:39:38
the information." And it's like, I didn't sign anything. I did read your email that said the information was embargoed, but I didn't sign it. And
00:39:45
you're just kind of like telling me that the information is embargoed, but like does is that how this works now? I don't
00:39:50
know. I guess. Are they hoping it gets leaked? No, this is big companies who are not
00:39:55
hoping for. But I mean on like a in like on a Google tip on a pixel wave. No, I know. I I I think this is just
00:40:02
like a a new faster way to just get stuff in front of the press who might honestly maybe there are people who
00:40:08
don't sign it quickly and are just like missing out and they wish they could just get the cycle going faster. They
00:40:13
just send it out. Hey, this is embargoed to this date and time. Here's the information. But it kind of has the same vibe of like I declare this secret so
00:40:21
you know you can't tell people just send your next one back into the signature says like by responding to this email you owe me $10,000 for my
00:40:28
time and just like wait to see if anything happen by by viewing this email you agreed to the embargo. I get
00:40:33
you agreed to get me one Tesla Roadster. Yeah. Anyway, we got more to talk about
00:40:39
this year. Especially we want to get into maybe uh some potential smartphone award winners. So we'll do that right
00:40:44
after the break. But before we take a break, trivia. [Music]
00:40:53
All right, waveform trivia time. Let's get it, boys. Uh, we'll have to think about how we want to handle David's absence for this
00:41:00
uh this trivia round. Maybe we'll send him. Maybe I'll call him. Well, it depends where he is. I don't know where. Where in the world is David?
00:41:06
He's in Europe. Is he in a time zone that it's Oh, he's awake. You could just ping him
00:41:12
on like text him or something and be like, "Yeah, do you want a trivia question right now?" Yeah. You up? Just send him a You
00:41:17
up and if he replies, you could call him and get a trivia, right? Yeah.
00:41:22
Today's question is about I fix it. Uh because we love fixing things and letting them not end up in the trash.
00:41:29
And I also love Oh, David's up. Um we also love silly words. And in in
00:41:36
every iixit kit is a tool that has a very silly word. So today's trivia question that I've taken forever to get
00:41:42
here. There's only one I know and it's definitely not going to ask that one. I feel like what is the name of the tool included in
00:41:48
many I fix it kits that is used to pry the screen Yes. off of smartphones.
00:41:55
I know what Marquez is writing, but I'm not I don't think that's it. Am I wrong?
00:42:00
Can I draw it? Can you draw it? Yeah. I mean it won't be used to pry open.
00:42:07
Yes. It's a wedge tool that is used to pry open screens. Screens.
00:42:13
Okay. Yeah, I think I think we're thinking of the same thing. Yes, but I think that's wrong.
00:42:18
Oh, interesting. I guess we'll find out. Okay.
00:42:23
Well, we'll think about that. The answers will be at the end like usual. We'll also call David in at the end for
00:42:28
podcast trivia. We'll be right back. [Music]
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framer.com. Promo code wave. Rules and restrictions apply. All right, welcome back. So, it's Teember as I've said many
00:43:55
times, but you know what that also means? That also means it's September.
00:44:00
Uh, whoa. Wait, really? Yeah. Which means it's nine months into
00:44:06
the year and there's only three months left for phones to come out. But we are
00:44:11
kind of approaching the end of when phones do come out. Yep. And so we can start thinking about start
00:44:18
considering the smartphone awards for 2025. It's still too early. There are still more phones coming out. Notably,
00:44:24
we still think that maybe a trifold is coming out. We still have maybe another month of like phones coming out that
00:44:30
aren't necessarily dependent on the US holiday shopping season. Yeah. But a lot of good stuff has come out
00:44:35
already. And so we can go through our categories. We're going to go through each of the typical categories for a smartphone
00:44:40
awards and think about discuss what has come out this year and maybe some outakes about what could win.
00:44:46
Yeah, I think every year we do like a let's sit down and start just mentioning phones, making sure we don't miss
00:44:52
anything. So doing it on the podcast sounds fun. I'm sad David's not here because he obviously would have a lot of good insight.
00:44:57
Yeah. And also there are hardly any real rules to this. Like every year we re we look back at the previous years and we
00:45:03
go, "All right, we'll probably keep all the same awards. We could add an award category. We could subtract one." We also don't just keep it to phones that
00:45:11
I've reviewed or even necessarily phones that I've tested. We look at as many of the phones that came out during the year
00:45:17
as possible. Typically, we have tested basically every phone we consider. But um yeah, that is it's all over the map.
00:45:24
Yeah, we do have Adam here though who seems to maybe at this point be the person who uses the second most phones
00:45:30
in a calendar year. I think he may have surpassed David, I would say. Yeah. Um
00:45:36
but yeah, so I just listed all the categories. I feel like let's go through them. Maybe throw out some
00:45:41
things we remember that seem notable. So these are last year's. So how about I'm going to pull up even what were the winners from the last year.
00:45:48
Yeah, I really like this new category. Best orange phone. Who put that there?
00:45:53
I don't know if I can see the CMF phone. Nice. So, okay. Smartphone Awards 2020.
00:45:58
I just want to say we are very on brand with our thumbnails cuz
00:46:04
when you just type in Smartphone Awards in YouTube, it's all our videos and you can tell because it's
00:46:09
we have a very specific style for this. And boy, do they get almost the exact same amount of views every single year.
00:46:16
Like clockwork, baby. 6 million, 6.3, 5.4, 5.4. 4 is 6.97.
00:46:21
We're also a lot of comments every time because people people love talking. That's what I thought might be fun to talk about it on the podcast because
00:46:27
then we, you know, discuss a little and then people in the comments can give
00:46:32
some of their suggestions as well. Yeah. Typically when we do this, we're like in the middle of the studio and
00:46:38
we're all just sitting there for like an hour discussing all the phones. We're still going to do that. We're still going to do that. But then
00:46:43
like the audience never has a chance to like voice their opinion. So, like if you have a strong opinion, this is your chance to yell it in the comments.
00:46:49
Yeah, I agree. Actually, this is perfect. All right, first category, best big phone. Last year's winner, Samsung
00:46:56
Galaxy S24 Ultra. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously S25 Ultra came out
00:47:01
this year. I will say the phone that I used for the longest this year as my
00:47:07
daily driver was the S25 Ultra. That's something that usually comes up at some point in the in the awards. Uh, so
00:47:13
that's got to be in the running. And then the question really is just like what is a big phone?
00:47:18
What counts as like best use of a ton of space? The gaming phones usually come up because they're all huge and have a ton
00:47:24
of features. There's also going to be phones that have like massive silicon carbon batteries and and they're all pretty
00:47:31
big. Maybe not massive, but I do think we also saw the iPhone Pros really starting
00:47:36
to take advantage of being like we are thicker. we the pro but like let's throw
00:47:42
some stuff up higher, bigger battery, get rid of the SIM card tray, like I guess getting rid of a SIM card tray
00:47:47
isn't taking advantage of everything. But they did for the first time in Apple history kind of feel like they moved
00:47:54
towards that push of like what we want as tech people of like cram everything we want in it. That's
00:48:00
probably only because they also had a phone that did the exact opposite, right? And I also will I will say about the iPhones because people always talk a
00:48:06
lot about the iPhones and the awards. The iPhones kind of live in their own like world where when you talk about
00:48:13
iPhones, you usually compare it to other iPhones instead of like the entire rest of the tech world. I think iPhones, if
00:48:20
you look at the Pro Max for example, it is the most maximalist like ultra best big phone iPhone they've ever made. But
00:48:27
it is very clearly still not as crazy as the huge like 200 megapixel main camera,
00:48:35
6,000 mAh silicon carbon battery, 100 watt charging, massive frontfacing speakers. Like they don't do any of that
00:48:41
stuff. M. So, as good as it is for an iPhone, it's it's tougher to give that an award when
00:48:47
phones like that exist. Super true. Um, so I'm looking at like, yeah, the
00:48:53
the ROG phone, usually the S25 Ultra will obviously come up. There's going to
00:48:58
be phones like the OnePlus 13 even, which are still like 6.7 in screens, 6,000 mAh, silicon carbon battery.
00:49:05
Yeah, phones like that. Ultra phones. OnePlus was the first thing that kind of entered my mind, but that was like early
00:49:11
on in the year, but they did seem to like shove as much in. That was the beginning of this year, right?
00:49:16
The 13. Yeah, it was January. It's the first one I reviewed. You know, the conversation is kind of like when people compare supercar versus hypercar.
00:49:24
Yeah. like the the iPhone Pro Max is a supercar, but the like crazy Oppo or the
00:49:32
Xiaomi 15 Ultra or whatever that that's like a hyper car with all the specs that they give you. So, that's what I think
00:49:39
about when I think about best big phone. You don't think like Pixel Pro XL or like the was it the Xiai 15 Ultra?
00:49:46
Those are like good phones that are big. Like the Pixel 10 Pro XL is a good phone
00:49:52
that is big. But I think when I think about the award for best big phone, I think about the phone that crammed so
00:49:59
much into it that it's kind of impressive that it's all in one phone, if that makes sense.
00:50:04
Yeah. But there's a lot of good big phones, obviously. The other the next category is kind of the opposite. Best
00:50:10
small phone. It's always my favorite category. There's usually there's usually not a lot of good small Well, it's gotten harder for sure. Um,
00:50:17
but I guess we keep thinking of different ways of saying small. Like I was going to say at what point do we
00:50:23
just drop this category cuz there are no small phones anymore. That's a good point. I thought about that a lot. I do want to
00:50:28
reward a good small phone because it feels like a unique thing to give award
00:50:34
to. Last year's winner was the iPhone 16 which is like a what 6.1 in display.
00:50:42
Wasn't last year I think 6.3 I think it's 6.3. 6.3. So this best small phone cuz the
00:50:48
stat was regular 16 was 6.1 but the stat was the best small phone
00:50:53
with a 6.1 in display was bigger than the best big phone of like the first year.
00:51:00
So yes it is harder and harder to find a good small phone. That said there are
00:51:05
folding phones, flipping phones, there are other hot take.
00:51:11
A folding phone is not a small phone but a flipping phone Yeah. Yeah. No, I think uh like the Razer, the Flip, I
00:51:18
think these qualify. It's my argument. Every year I try and convince him that I think the Flip is
00:51:24
also there's like the small phone. I take it back. Well, it is funny though. Claire used to flip for a year and her first thing is
00:51:31
she's like, "Oh, this is nice." And then she opened it. She's like, "This phone's so big cuz it's so tall and
00:51:36
reachability." That's the counter argument is when you open the flip phone, it is bigger than
00:51:41
the fold closed. Mhm. So I guess it's is it a small phone when
00:51:47
you're using the phone or is it a small phone just like when you hold it and you're not using it? I think it should be when you're using the phone.
00:51:53
I think whole package part, but I do think using it when it's opened is part of it still. So it's like it's pro is
00:52:00
also its con in that sense. And also phones like the the Razer and the Zfold, you can use them a little
00:52:06
when they're closed and that is like a small phone experience. be like a 4 in diagonal and you don't like do much on
00:52:13
it, but you could like check notifications and play pause music and do little things like that. So,
00:52:18
I just want to say I I know Sony has made small phones in the past, so I decided to just look up Sony phones to
00:52:24
try and figure out what the name of it is. I I it's not the Xeria, whatever.
00:52:30
The people also ask section on Google when you type Sony phones is does Sony make phones anymore?
00:52:36
Is Xperia available in the US? Is Sony releasing a new phone in 2025? What is the downfall of Sony?
00:52:42
O, I made that video. Uh, yeah. What is the most recent?
00:52:48
There are a few phones released in 2025
00:52:53
that have sub 6 in really displays. Are any of them
00:53:00
Okay. Are any of them in the US is the first question. One of them is okay. Hit me with the with the list
00:53:06
because I would like to hear these. The list of the list of them available in the US
00:53:11
or those of them period of phones that came out this year with a sub6 in screen cuz the last one I remember was like Zen phone.
00:53:17
Are you okay if one of them has an exactly 6 in screen? Okay. Not available in the US.
00:53:23
Okay. The HTC Wildfire E6. Okay. Exactly 6 in display. This is according
00:53:28
to GSM Arena, by the way. HTC has been dead for years. So I'm not sure how they released a phone this year. Uh, they're making phones outside
00:53:35
the US, right? Are they still HTC? I thought they I thought they were again. Is HTC I'm pretty sure they are.
00:53:42
According to GSM Arena, I was just going to say I just sorted GSM Arena by things under 6 in and
00:53:47
released in 2017. So, we're looking at the same list. There's a lot of watches. There's a lot of watches. However, I thought they died. No, I think HTC's
00:53:55
kind of like made somewhat of a comeback outside of the US. Okay. No, but number two.
00:54:01
Yeah. The Doogie Fire 3. Dooji. Yeah, Dooji still makes phones.
00:54:07
Not only does Dooji make still make phones, but the Dooji Fire 3 has a 5.5
00:54:13
in screen, meaning it is only 0.1 in diagonally larger
00:54:19
than the greatest phone ever made. What's funny about this though is that's screen size and this is a
00:54:25
a phone that is like rugged. So obviously is adding a ton of extra size to that and still has top and bottom
00:54:31
bezels. So like it is probably the footprint of a this phone 8,000 mAh battery is crazy.
00:54:40
Okay. This is interesting. Okay. All right. Noted finally. And I I'm not sure if this is
00:54:46
available in the US or not, but the Nokia 150 music.
00:54:51
That's screen size again though, right? This has a full Andrew, look at this phone. That's a small phone.
00:54:56
That's a small phone. Oh, wait. You said the Nokia. They also have an HMD 150 music because they're owned by this.
00:55:02
I also would just like Well, actually, it's funny. The Nokia 150 music picture on GSM Arena has the HMD logo on the
00:55:09
back. Also, this phone has 8 megabytes of RAM.
00:55:15
Nice. This is a feature phone with a physical keyboard, just so people know. This is a featureless phone. Wow. Yeah. So, this is a hard category.
00:55:23
I think I will have to include the flipping phones in this consideration.
00:55:31
Uh, and I will also have to consider probably phones with slightly larger than 6 in screens. That's I think you have to
00:55:38
obviously because we just had one last year win. So 6.1 I think the minimal phone belongs on the
00:55:44
small phone list. The minimal phone. No the the light phone too but Oh no the minimal phone is small.
00:55:50
Is it actually small? I think the minimal phone and possibly I mean definitely the light phone possibly
00:55:55
minimal phone belongs on small phones list. They are definitely small but are they
00:56:01
the best small phones? Look, man. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to give you a field of competitors, dude.
00:56:06
I agree. This is This is good fodder. No one wants to watch an F1 race that has two drivers.
00:56:11
We got to have way more field. Lately, it's pretty basically just been Norris and Pashri. Yeah.
00:56:17
It's kind of like watching poker where all the rest of the players are trash, but once in a while they pull something crazy, but like it's kind of the two
00:56:23
main players, but you don't want to watch heads up poker. You want a bunch of people to maybe get crazy hands. Anyway,
00:56:28
I think Light Phone should be minimal phone still has the keyboard, so it's still kind of big, but Light Phone is
00:56:35
actually really like Look at this picture of this guy holding this. It looks like he's holding a keychain.
00:56:40
Small little phone there. I like that idea. I like light in there. I want to know what's the biggest screen
00:56:45
size of a phone that could win before people get mad. 6.3. Well, that's as
00:56:52
I don't I think someone will get mad no matter what. No matter how much we preface it by saying there's only so many phones we can click, but
00:56:58
which might mean we have to kill a category. I don't know. I do agree with you. Maybe not yet. But it's
00:57:03
we added a category last year, right? We added foldable. Yeah. Maybe small phone is the one that has to
00:57:08
get taken away. Or does it merge kind of into design as like we we say design is
00:57:16
really good because they fit so much in a smaller category? Possibly. Yeah. Just feels like if I
00:57:21
have best big phone, I have to have best big small phone. Best small phone. They they just go hand in hand. I don't know.
00:57:27
We could get do best perfectly average size phone. Best average size. I think as as long as it's in the bottom half of typical phone
00:57:35
size, it counts as a small phone. What if you did most average phone just all around
00:57:40
the most phone? The most the most phone phone. It's just like a completely average price, a
00:57:45
completely average size, completely average. Like this is the default phone of the year award. The iPhone 14. All
00:57:54
right, next one is best camera. This one's always fun because it always gets the most comments.
00:57:59
Yeah, this is the one that gives me the most anxiety really dayto-day. Well, the thing about camera is there's
00:58:05
pictures and videos and there are always different weights to how much people
00:58:10
think I should give to photos and videos. Like maybe most people take 80% photos, 20% videos, but then they have a
00:58:17
kid and they start taking way more videos or way less videos. I don't know. I tend to value videos more because
00:58:23
guess what? I do lots of video stuff. Like I'm kind of a pro video person. So
00:58:28
I value video maybe 50/50 with photos. And I mean I'm spoiler alert. I've
00:58:35
reviewed uh a lot of phones this year and then the iPhone Pros came out and
00:58:40
you know the iPhone one last year, the Pro iPhone and none of them have come out with anything shockingly better
00:58:46
enough to make me think that they should unseat the iPhone as the best video. Uh so the video award, if there was one,
00:58:53
would go to the iPhone clearly. Mhm. So then it becomes, okay, should the others being better at photos
00:59:00
weigh enough to matter over the iPhone winning videos? And some of them are are better than the
00:59:07
iPhone with photos and they have better zooms and they have 200 megapixel sensors and way more detail and better lowlight and better stabilization.
00:59:13
Um, but yeah, how much should photo versus video matter? I think for the trophy winner, I think
00:59:19
you probably should go 50/50. That just seems like the most fair version. But then we always do honorable mentions. So
00:59:25
like an honorable mention of but I think the f the phone that takes just the best pictures is like a runner up. And that's
00:59:32
a good way to differentiate and give people that knowledge. But even that's tough cuz what if one phone takes the way better pictures
00:59:39
of just like wide main camera, but then another phone takes just like maybe 10%
00:59:44
worse on that, but also has a 50x telephoto ultra wide
00:59:50
last year was this phone. Yeah. Yeah, I it'll be tough. I'm I'm very, you know,
00:59:56
I'm I'm thinking a lot about this award because of like it's just obviously I care about video a lot and we go shoot
01:00:02
videos on the autofocus channel with phones and we test a lot of these phones with video and some of them are
01:00:08
impressive when they watch it. Like people watch the footage and be like, "Wow, I didn't know the Pixel 10 could shoot video this good." So, it's cool
01:00:14
that we have that that, you know, good uh output. But it's the quality of how easy it is to shoot, the experience, the
01:00:21
pro like format versatility, all that other stuff. It's like, okay, the iPhone's the best for video. How much
01:00:27
like should we weigh that in? I feel like it's almost like becoming its own category almost.
01:00:33
Oh, cuz iPhone's going in a in a they're like their video system is just in a
01:00:38
world of its own right now. Yeah. It's like the old pixel camera used to be the old Pixel camera used to be the one
01:00:45
obviously and now it's like for video iPhone camera video is like the one obviously so it's kind of tough.
01:00:51
Yeah. And it has gen lock does have genlock instant prores raw support. I was going
01:00:56
to say it's almost like Marquez this is your smartphone awards and this is based on
01:01:02
that is true you some people forget that I think and are like what this is it's like
01:01:07
but this is what you like better and that's totally fine yeah I think I do preface that at some
01:01:12
point in the first minute of every single awards it's like these are my awards these are the ones I feel like giving out so
01:01:17
that's the part I blink out people usually just exactly
01:01:22
all right next category was best value. And last year's winner was the Nothing
01:01:28
Phone 2A. Okay, let me let me refresh my memory for what the MSRP was at launch for that phone
01:01:36
because every year the conversation is what is a value phone? Nothing phone to a Did we change this up? Did it used to be
01:01:42
best budget phone and I think we started doing best value exactly $3.49 US. So that's clearly on
01:01:51
the lower end of like you can buy a $2,000 phone today or you could buy a $200 phone today. So budget value agree
01:01:57
seems about right. I have something I think you alluded to already. Um, so I think you agree with me, but I think because people still
01:02:04
consider this the budget category will be mad at, but the base iPhone 17 with
01:02:11
256 base storage, with all the good like with almost all the good cameras, like it just with prootion now.
01:02:18
It makes the 16e look like such a joke. It makes the 16e and the 16 look like a
01:02:24
joke. Do you know what else it makes look like a joke? The Pixel 10 base series. Cuz right before this launched,
01:02:30
Pixel was like, "Nah, Bass can Bass can have almost or worse cameras than the Pro thing than the Pro model." The same
01:02:36
amount, but worse cameras. 128 base, you have to pay an extra $100 and the prices
01:02:42
have gone up on old pixels like Mhm. but tensor. But like Apple did the Pixel thing from
01:02:48
like three years ago where the base was such a good it's really hard to jump up to the Pro version. And Apple did that
01:02:55
and I'm a little embarrassed for buying a Pixel. Still I still enjoy it. But now the question is is it that is it so
01:03:00
good of a value that you can give a $799 phone the value award. That's a tough one.
01:03:06
It's a really tough one. But it is that good. I mean, other phones, we had a lot of good cheap phones, and this is one where there's
01:03:11
like a lot of phones that I didn't even test that I go back through the year, and I'm like, "Wow, this these one or
01:03:17
two Pocop phones, and these one or two Xiaomi phones that were specifically targeting I think the S25 FE came in and
01:03:23
I use it for like one day." And I'm like, these are all this is basically an S25, but $200 cheaper. Like, there are a
01:03:29
lot of really good value options to consider in this category. The Nothing Phone 2A won last year because it felt
01:03:36
like a flagship phone and I used it I think before I knew the price and would have guessed it was like twice the price
01:03:43
which is very impressive. Really smooth software, really good experience. That's the type of thing I look for in best
01:03:49
value phone award. Uh but I don't think there is a clear front runner this year. What was the price of CMFhone 2 Pro?
01:03:55
$279. I'm on the page right now. I mean pretty great. Dude, the CMF phone Pro 2 when you look at that price and
01:04:02
these numbers feels like OG Pocophone. Mhm. Like, oh man, I will always reminisce
01:04:08
about OG Pocophone days of just watching anyone post any video for like 4 months
01:04:14
and the top comment was always Pocophone has better specs than this and it's $300. Um,
01:04:19
yeah, this one can't win this award though because it's already winning the best orange. Oh,
01:04:25
dude. This is I mean some of the specs on this are pretty solid. 120 Hz 6.7 in
01:04:31
screen. Uh 50 megapixel two 50 meg megapixel cameras. I mean it's doing 4K
01:04:37
recording. It's IP54. It's a 5,000 mAh battery. Yeah. 6.7 in display.
01:04:44
This thing AMOLED like I don't that's it's pretty solid.
01:04:50
Yeah. 8 gigs of RAM. Pretty good spec list. You got to use it though. I got, you know, you got to make
01:04:56
sure it's actually a good phone without just having the numbers and the fluff. So, yeah. I don't remember exactly.
01:05:01
Oh, wait. Actually, your title for it is budget phone of the year. I really like and that was what, like
01:05:08
six months ago or whatever. Four months ago. Four months ago. Yeah, that's it has a chance. I think that's a solid chance.
01:05:14
And see, and there's still phones dropping that are qualifying for this award, but that one may be one of the favorites for this award. Yeah, that's
01:05:21
one of those ones we have to start balancing like maybe it's not as good as the more expensive one, but does it get so much extra points for being this like
01:05:28
sub 500? Yeah. But I feel like with this category, one of the things to take into consideration, too, is like longevity.
01:05:35
And do I expect this phone to last longer than a base iPhone 17? Absolutely
01:05:40
not. You know, low key, that's like a sneaky important thing for value, which is lifetime value
01:05:45
of the phone. If you get a really good deal on a phone that lasts you one year versus if you get a pretty solid value
01:05:52
on a phone that lasts you 6 years, you could really argue for the value of the phone that lasts you way longer. Um, I
01:05:59
don't know that we have a software update timeline promise from CMF, but I do know that iPhone will last you a long time. So, that's that's a really good
01:06:06
point for that phone. Um, okay, next category,
01:06:11
best battery. And uh I think the the classic that I always say at the beginning of this is this is not just
01:06:17
the phone with the longest battery life. This is the phone with the best overall battery experience. iPhone Air because the
01:06:25
because the dream is just like not thinking about your battery ever. Like that when you that dream of like I just
01:06:30
got a brand new phone and I used it all day and I just ended the day with 55%. Oh my god. That
01:06:36
Ellis, you got to believe me. This is this is a a really good feeling. This is living is a really good feeling
01:06:41
on your phone. I know. I So, last year's winner was the Red Magic 10 Pro, which was a gaming phone, which,
01:06:49
you know, they tend to throw massive batteries in gaming phones because you use a lot of power when gaming, but when you use that phone like regular, that
01:06:56
phone had a 7,50 mAh battery and supported 100 watt 7,000
01:07:02
7,000 the silicon carbon battery. About that, and 100 watt fast charging, 80 watt
01:07:07
charger in the box. And you could do pass through charging cuz with gaming, you don't want too much heat. So, there was all these battery features and you
01:07:13
could turn it down to 60 Hz and it would just last forever and that was the winner. That's that's a good benchmark
01:07:20
even for this year. 7,000 mAh and 100 watt charging would win this year. Um, can it win?
01:07:26
No, I was just that too. It would be funny if you just gave it to it two years in a row. Yeah, that's, you know, if if they
01:07:32
re-release the same phone again this year, it would have a chance. Um, there are some other really good phones with big batteries that come out, but I've
01:07:38
talked about silicon carbon batteries at the beginning of 2025. thinking we'd see a lot of them and we saw some but not a
01:07:44
ton. I think we saw some in in some of the more advanced riskier um especially overseas flagships. We didn't see them
01:07:51
in the US as much like no Samsung, Apple, Motorola, like the ones that are are doing a lot of volume here
01:07:56
didn't do a lot of silicon carbon. I think to be fair you made the video the OnePlus video and we're like I think we're going to see this a lot and it was
01:08:02
really only those couple phones off the riff and then we didn't really see much of it. Yeah, there's been some like OPPO
01:08:09
and OnePlus and Xiaomi and they've done silicon carbon batteries, but then like the big flagships that we see in the US
01:08:15
a lot like Samsung didn't do it with the S25 Ultra. The iPhones obviously don't have it. So, it's it's going to be one of those
01:08:22
like more daring phones. Again, I I've never really went through the the
01:08:28
GSM Marina filter thing is pretty awesome. Like I can just do sort by 2025
01:08:33
and batteries over 5,000 mAh. Okay. What about over 6,000? Because I think there's a I think there's a couple
01:08:39
good ones over Oh, no. I was over 6,000. There's 201s, it says. Damn. Yeah. Anyway, the idea with it is going
01:08:45
to be like, can you turn down, you know, to 60 Hz or maybe 90 Hz and just use a
01:08:52
phone like normal and just not even think about battery? Like that's the ideal having wireless charging. You
01:08:57
know, the one thing that dinged that phone is it had like I don't think it had wireless charging at all. the OnePlus or
01:09:03
the the Red Magic that won last year. I think that usually you want to just like not even think about it. Just pop
01:09:09
it on a charger and it just charges fast and you're good. Fast charging is really important, but obviously having a really
01:09:14
long life is the best. The OnePlus 13 this year is 6,000 mAh hours, 100 watt wire charging, 50 watt
01:09:21
wireless charging, and 10 watt reverse wireless charging. And I used that phone for a while and
01:09:26
really like the battery on it. Yeah. So, yeah, that's got a shot as well.
01:09:31
But yeah, that's that's a that's a pretty straightforward one. You can expect a phone with the best battery experience to win.
01:09:37
As it should. As it should. Okay, we got five more. Best design. This one's totally
01:09:43
subjective. Totally subjective. It used to be best build quality. Now it's just favorite design, you know, whatever. I
01:09:50
think deserves a design award for the year. Last year's winner, Huawei Mate XT the triplefold.
01:09:55
Duh. That's the craziest, most daring, interesting design of a year of that year for phones. Now, we still are
01:10:02
expecting maybe a Samsung trifold this year, so we got to stay tuned for that. We still have like the new super super
01:10:09
thin regular folds from a couple companies this year, like the Honor and the Samsung.
01:10:15
And then there's just other interesting The Edge and the Air are very different
01:10:20
designs and very striking and feel good. I those get a design award. Wow.
01:10:26
I low key really like I sound like such an Apple shill as someone who's literally never used an iPhone, but like
01:10:32
I like the Pro design this year. I like the unibody. I like how it looks. I like the plateau. I think it all is great.
01:10:39
And I really enjoy how they pushed every like they did a physical change inside the
01:10:45
phone to make which I thought was interesting. But over the air because the Air did all of that too.
01:10:50
The Air did all of it also. And we're talking just super durable. Yeah. Yeah, shockingly durable.
01:10:55
Yeah, unibody is good and cool. Yeah, I'm a really big fan of the all
01:11:00
metal jacket is what I'm calling it with just like glass cutouts instead of being a glass sandwich. It's just a metal phone with glass cutouts.
01:11:07
Do you think the Air can win over the Edge? Because you said, and I know we're
01:11:12
just talking about design, but it is slightly thinner than the Edge, but the Edge still gives you
01:11:17
more cameras. It seems to give you more phone. Yeah, I think the Edge is a
01:11:24
slightly better design in terms of what you get out of using the phone. It still
01:11:30
has It's called best design award. Well, so it has the 200 megapixel flagship main camera and an ultrawide.
01:11:38
Now, yes, it is a millimeter thicker, but I also like the boxier uh design. It
01:11:43
has stereo speakers. It has a bigger battery. It has like a 3900 mAh battery.
01:11:49
So, it's got more to it for being 1 millm thicker. Yeah. Um, how much does that 1 millm matter? I
01:11:57
don't know. Are we just going to ignore the elephant in the room, which is the Nothing Phone 3 that let you play spin the bottle on
01:12:03
the back? The Nothing Phone 3. They had that little screen on the back. Is that worth the design award? I think it got so much
01:12:10
push back that it can't possibly win the award. Spoiler alert. It is. Yeah. I mean, it is. It's unique.
01:12:17
That's for sure. Um, didn't we just see a bunch of other things that might have screens on the back? There was some rumors I just saw. Maybe that's not out
01:12:23
yet, but there was like two or three other Xiaomi phones maybe that were going to have big screens on the camera plateau on the back.
01:12:28
I did one a while ago. I saw a couple of those that were renders and like rumors, but I wasn't
01:12:34
sure if they were actual real or not. Okay. Yeah, I think we did a video on one a few years ago, which was like the first what I remember the first big
01:12:40
plateau on the back was because it had a screen on the back of that like plateau. Yeah, I think I saw some renders of like
01:12:48
even bigger screens on the back. Oh boy. So, all of those are interesting. I also think like the design like should
01:12:55
service the use like industrial design I guess should matter which, you know, brings the the pro iPhones back into the
01:13:00
equation. But even something like the most boring design is the S25 Ultra.
01:13:06
Like it's a gray rectangle with like no camera bump, but it has all the room and
01:13:11
does all the things. It probably can't win an award, but that's like the starting point. Like, you've got to be
01:13:17
at least that good at design and probably better to win the award. So, yeah. I I don't know. I really think the
01:13:24
two slim phones when I think the easiest way to think about design is like if you handed this phone to just somebody
01:13:30
without even really turning it on and they held it in their hands and they were like, "Whoa, this is cool." I think the edge in the
01:13:36
air are the the things this year Yeah. that feel like that. previously a triple folding phone last year was like you
01:13:42
hand that to someone and they're like, "Oh my goodness, what is this?" Totally. I do think if you compare the
01:13:47
two super thin phones, the Air, the iPhone is more impressive to hold
01:13:54
specifically because it's lighter. It's so light. Yes, it has less battery, but that like
01:13:59
when you hold the phone and use it, it just feels like you're holding a screen. It's pretty sick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's
01:14:06
a front runner for this one yet. That's a tough one. I think this is always the toughest one. Yeah. All right, then. Best foldable.
01:14:14
This was the new category last year and the inaugural winner. Or was it real quick? The Edge is 2 g lighter than
01:14:21
the Air. Really? That's what this is saying. Real quick. Yeah. 163 g versus 165 g.
01:14:29
That's sick. And it has like way bigger battery and dual cameras. That's kind of
01:14:34
shocking actually. We Yeah, we need to hold both of them.
01:14:39
I'll put them on a scale again. But yeah, I it struck me each time I held them like these phones are really light. I didn't realize they're about the same.
01:14:45
Awesome. Okay. Uh yeah, best foldable. So last year's winner, inaugural winner,
01:14:50
Pixel 9 Pro Fold. We have the uh the announcement of the
01:14:56
10 Pro Fold. Still waiting to get it here to review. That will of course be in contention, but also we got the ultra thin ones now.
01:15:03
We've got Samsung ZFold 7. We got Honor Magic 3, I think is what it's called. We've got potential trifold. There's a
01:15:11
lot still on the table. I was going to say, is the trifold in the running? It has to be. Yeah. It's going to be a new style of trifold
01:15:18
also, which I'm really interested in. It could either work really well or really poorly by opening like outwards from the
01:15:24
middle screen. Yeah. Um, that's so man, you know, we're like wrapping up our iPhone videos and
01:15:30
part of me is like, we're through. We're kind of through. And then we're talking about all these things that still
01:15:36
haven't come out. We haven't made videos on. We're like, oh no, we're right in the middle of it still. There's literally like two very
01:15:41
important foldables coming in the next couple months at least. Yeah, that one. There's a lot
01:15:47
on the table for foldables still. And then also there's the flipping phones that sort of kind of get swept under the rug because we always look mostly at the
01:15:53
big folds because they're more interesting. But you could look at, you know, the big outside screens on these new flips, the
01:16:02
Huawei Flip, the Samsung Flip, the Razer, and that they're folding phones that are like reasonable for people to get
01:16:09
price-wise. These aren't $2,000 plus folding phones, which which never really affected this
01:16:16
category or at least the most of the awards, but I think it maybe should matter a little bit. You can get it.
01:16:22
The there's rumors that there's another Unpacked on Monday. Wait, now it's on Monday.
01:16:28
It's everything I'm reading says it's on the 29th and that's where they're supposedly going to make this
01:16:33
announcement. So, are we We might be right on the cusp. Okay. of a of maybe the triple vote
01:16:40
trifold. We're all waiting for that announcement to happen because they promised by the end of this year, right? So that's what we are
01:16:46
pretty close to the end of September. Okay. Yeah. Lot on Okay. A lot on the
01:16:51
table for foldables. Three more maybe the most interesting ones, right? So most improved award. We don't see very
01:16:59
much drastic improvement from year to year for smartphones. But last year, this was the Pixel 9 Pro Fold because
01:17:05
the first Pixel Fold was awesome in theory, but you know, not great open.
01:17:13
And then there's been an awesome foldable that won the award. So, that was a that was the most improved this
01:17:18
year. Gosh, the base iPhone is going to come up again, right? Cuz is that what Yeah.
01:17:23
immediately I just think that got promotion that got 256 base. I mean, the cameras aren't I guess phones don't get
01:17:30
that different year to year. Like, there's not a lot that's actually different about it. It's virtually visually identical to last year.
01:17:36
Yeah. But you could make the argument that when we gave Razer Phone 2, it was visually extremely similar, but Razer
01:17:43
Phone 2 was just here's all the bad things about the Razer phone. Fixed it all. They fixed it all. Not like the iPhone
01:17:49
was still just an iPhone. Nothing to get that excited about. But this year, it really feels like they put in the things
01:17:55
that people have complaining been complaining about with an $800 phone, which is promotion. I mean, no one was
01:18:01
even really complaining that much about base storage, but giving you 256 base storage, it's
01:18:06
Yeah, it's definitely up there. What What were some bad phones of last year, about Yeah, that I mean, the OnePlus
01:18:13
13S, I was going to say I don't know if the OnePlus 12 was bad though, but OnePlus
01:18:18
13 was really good. 13 was really good. We almost We didn't even mention the 13s for small phone. It's 6.37
01:18:25
in. Is it actually? Jesus. Okay. It's a small phone to me, but damn.
01:18:30
Um, what else came out? Okay, so Pixels. Pixel Let's see. Pixel 10 we were hoping
01:18:37
would be a big It's not an improvement. If anything, I would say it's the opposite. No. Yeah.
01:18:42
Is Pixel 10 the biggest disappointment? Aren't the cameras in the Pixel 9 better than the cameras in the Pixel 10? I
01:18:48
think one of them is because the Pixel 9 had cameras, then it went to Pixel 9a, and the 10's using the
01:18:54
9A cameras, which I think are worse. I thought the 10 Pro Fold uses the 9a cameras. I think the Pixel 10 uses the 9a cameras
01:19:01
as well. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's not going to win anyway. I may have bought bust of the year.
01:19:06
There's the Oppo Find X8 Ultra. There's Xiaomi 15 series. Not a lot of these are
01:19:13
like dramatically better than last year. It's bust has been getting harder to do because there aren't as many really bad
01:19:21
phones. There's not as many companies kind of coming out of nowhere with something like the Red Hydrogen or No,
01:19:26
you're doing most improve. I was still on most improved, but that's also true about Bust. That's a good way to go is like bust of the year can usually win a
01:19:32
most improved HTC did it. I feel like the the price might disqualify it, but I think Nothing Phone 3 might deserve most
01:19:40
improved because it's better in literally every spec and I think it looks pretty cool.
01:19:46
Oh, yeah. But the price and but it is $200 or $300 more expensure and people didn't like the design.
01:19:51
They're pretty Yeah. Well, I don't like people. Yeah, I think the design was fine.
01:19:57
Didn't blow me away. But it's Lightphone 3. Oh, yeah. Light 3 was a pretty big
01:20:03
improvement, guys. Books. Palma 2. Palma 2 is this year. Not not a phone. I don't really know
01:20:09
what the difference is from this Palma one. The Palma 1 is definitely not a phone. Is the Palma 2 also not a phone?
01:20:15
It's not It's also not a phone, but it's lit as hell. It's pretty sick. It's barely 9A
01:20:22
9A. Are we getting Oh, 10a is next year. What about the the new TCL paper phone?
01:20:28
Wasn't there a version in the past? And this new version is like really sick and can do the like paper to full screen and
01:20:34
like yeah the e-aper improvements yeartoyear go super hard. So in that category of
01:20:40
phones that is a pretty big jump for the reason that you'd buy the phone. Yeah. And we have it here. I haven't done any
01:20:47
video stuff about it. We have the the 50 XL next paper. We do. Did you not see it?
01:20:52
No. Dude, some of the stuff on the screen it can do is really I want to see that yesterday. What? It
01:20:58
even has a button that you would love that just turns the e- paperer mode on and makes everything black and white.
01:21:04
You guys love that about like the fair phone or whatever it was. Yeah. So, that's interesting.
01:21:09
It's not a switch. So, we're out. You press the button and the like screen looks normal and then just like like
01:21:14
Harry Potter like turns into e-aper. It's really cool. Yeah,
01:21:19
that might be in there. That could be in there for design also, but maybe that's more of a software design. It's like a video on that phone. We
01:21:26
didn't. It arrived right before chaos. That's it is sitting in this nice little
01:21:33
leather book thing on my desk. It's like nicely packaged and everything. It's It's pretty cool.
01:21:39
You know what I just realized? This is completely off topic. For the first time in my memory, you're using two regulariz
01:21:44
phones. You're not using the XL or the Max. The Pro Max. I just saw that on the table.
01:21:49
I had used uh Yeah. For those wondering, my my current dailies are the Pixel 10
01:21:55
Pro, not the XL, and the iPhone 17 Pro, not the XL.
01:22:00
Who are you, and what have you done with Marquez? You know, it's nice having smaller phones that actually last all day. It's
01:22:06
really nice. Damn, you almost had Ellis on board with that. Yeah. Yeah. Um I like the XL phones. I just
01:22:14
They're huge. Six. It's like a surfboard. The 6.9 in. Both of the Yeah. XL versions of these
01:22:20
phones are huge. Yeah. Um well, I don't know. Bust of the year. I don't know if we're gonna There are
01:22:25
there are weird weird phones that came out this year. Um the sequel to the
01:22:31
Salana phone hit my inbox. I'm sure I have that on my desk. Um the let's see what other It's not
01:22:39
that many bad. Bus bus is also bus is always tough to
01:22:45
give, especially one cuz you don't really want to give it to anyone. But in the past there were so many phones just
01:22:51
begging for it. So last year's winner for bust of the year was winner uh was the Xen phone 9.
01:22:59
Oh yeah because the that makes sense. Yeah. Because of what they sorry best small
01:23:04
phone. The Xen phone 10 Ultra or whatever. What do they call it? 11 Ultra. 11 Ultra. Yeah.
01:23:09
Yeah. That one. Best uh worst phone. Best worst phone. But
01:23:15
that's a good way of putting it. Yeah. Best worst phone. most just worstest cuz it wasn't a bad phone. It's just
01:23:20
they got rid of all the things we like. That's exactly right. Yeah. And that's kind of how it'll probably go with this. Like there are phones like I don't know.
01:23:28
Would you say the Pixel 10 is a bust because Tensor didn't get better? I'll say the Pixel 10 is a bust because it's 120 base store. It it the Pixel
01:23:37
base series used to be this like great deal and like tensor was kind of the thing you were sacrificing.
01:23:42
I feel like they did this thing where they added the third camera to make it feel like you're getting a better deal,
01:23:48
but you got a lot of worse things out of it. And now seeing iPhone, the people are supposed to be the expensive bad
01:23:54
deal ones, bringing in all these things that on their base, I'm really mad about
01:23:59
the storage and having to pay an extra $100. No offense, but I do think that it's between like the A series and the Pros
01:24:05
with Pixel. I don't even look at the numbers. You know, the iPhone 16. I mean, the color though. The colors.
01:24:11
The colors. Luke. That's fair. The colors. But the colors. The iPhone 16E was kind of bad.
01:24:18
16e. Was it bad? Or does the 16e just look really bad? It's such It's 7 How much? $600.
01:24:26
$600 for an iPhone that only has one camera,
01:24:33
Mag. No promotion. Forgot about no mag. No, barely any storage.
01:24:39
iPhone Air has also one camera and could be compared to this, but it's $1,000.
01:24:45
Oh, it's so different. The iPhone Air is 9 900 to start, right? $9.99. Yeah.
01:24:50
Has a 6.5 in gorgeous 120 Hz OLED display. And the 16e is not. Then they
01:24:58
both have different single cameras, but if you made me take one, I'd take the Air. uh a decent size 3100 mAh battery
01:25:06
versus I don't even know what the iPhone 16 when you search iPhone 16 the first Reddit thread that comes up is the
01:25:12
iPhone 16 isn't a bad phone dot dot dot it's a bad value yeah that was my that was my title right
01:25:18
or that was my like opening line or whatever this is on the LTT subreddit well it's true it's true so uh I don't
01:25:26
know that 16 was disappointing in the feature set and in the value proposition
01:25:33
And that could also be in contention for 16 not have mag save. Correct. No, that's what we were so mad about.
01:25:39
Oh my goodness. That's got to be in there. And they they put it in the air which is
01:25:44
so much thinner. Yeah. They got to take away something for then for the cheap phone. $600 that phone.
01:25:51
Yeah. So you're telling me that the four magnets they use for Mag Safe is $400.
01:25:57
Is too much money to put in that phone somehow. Super weird. And by the way, the one they gave me was upgraded
01:26:02
storage. So I think they gave me a review unit that was a $900,
01:26:08
maybe $800 16E, which is just comedy. That's crazy.
01:26:13
So anyway, yeah, bust of the year will be some interesting candidates for that
01:26:18
one. And then uh phone of the year, the MVP, phone of the year, the big award for
01:26:26
2025. So again, I will mention again the phones that I used the most this year uh
01:26:32
in chronological or I guess in terms of time, how much I use them. Number one by
01:26:38
a landslide is the Galaxy S25 Ultra. I use that for maybe 6 months, I think.
01:26:44
Uh meaning like when I'd finished reviewing a phone, I would go back to it as my main. Second place, I think, is the OnePlus
01:26:51
13, which I think I used for like a month or two. Uh, and then there's a bunch of
01:26:57
phones with like tiny slivers of the pie after that. And lately I'm on Pixel 10
01:27:02
Pro for I guess it's been a month now. We still have two months before we actually record this thing,
01:27:08
right? So, so it could get to second place if I don't switch back to whatever, but they're still reviewing other phones. So, a lot of tiny slivers of that. But
01:27:15
those are the phones that I I personally liked the most to use for myself.
01:27:21
That said, the award for MVP or phone of the year takes like the whole story into
01:27:26
account. Maybe one landed that was just like an amazing value or like changed the story about phones this year or it
01:27:32
was just shocking that it came out from the company that it came out from. Uh last year the let me go to the end the
01:27:39
phone of the year award Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra. And that one
01:27:46
was like it came out in January and it was very boringly just like the best phone you could buy all year. This the
01:27:52
safest bet. Rockolid software. If you want AI stuff, it's got that. If you want longtime updates, it's got that. If
01:27:59
you want good cameras and good zoom, it's got that. If you want good videos, it's got that. If you want good battery, it's got that. If you want good
01:28:04
charging, it's got that. If you want good screen, it's got that. If you want good build, it's got that. S Pen was there. Speakers were there.
01:28:11
Build quality. It was just everything you could. It was so safe. and I was like, "Yeah, this is the best phone of the year and it's kind of shocking that
01:28:17
we don't talk about it more." So, that won last year. S25 Ultra similar in a
01:28:23
lot of ways and it has a Snapdragon 8 Elite and all these things are great about it, but it's still so boring.
01:28:30
Like, I feel like I'm looking around at the rest of the landscape of phones and like iPhone era made an enormous splash.
01:28:36
Pro iPhones are interesting. Uh, Pixel 10 is odd from Google. like we have a
01:28:44
lot to say about it. S25 FE is interesting. Base iPhone 17 is also
01:28:50
interesting for phone of the year just and how how much of a leap they made possibly being yeah like most improved
01:28:55
and having all the stuff that we were hoping to finally come to the iPhone finally did. Um yeah, there's a lot maybe if this
01:29:02
trifold is sick from Samsung, maybe that's a candidate for phone of the year. So there's a lot that is in
01:29:08
contention to sort of take the story, the mantle for like the phone that represents the year and phones.
01:29:16
The tri trifold is going to be so interesting to see cuz that is such opportunity to be like the coolest phone
01:29:22
of the year or just the absolute dumbest phone of the year if it doesn't do Yeah. Like cuz we know that thing's going to
01:29:28
How much do you think it's going to cost? Do you think it's going to hit three grand? Well, I think we tried to guess last time. We're like Samsung makes phones at
01:29:34
these prices. I think if you go one screen, you're going to spend a,000. If you go two screens, you're going to
01:29:39
spend 2,000. If you go trifold, you get 3,000. Yeah, I think that's probably what we're looking at. $3,000 phone. That's got to impress.
01:29:46
But what if it's the sickest ever? What if it's just as thin as a regular phone and has like a 9 and a half inch screen inside?
01:29:51
If it doesn't have decks, I'm going to be so mad. Get ready. Prepare yourself.
01:29:58
Yeah, there's there's a couple interesting ways that this could go. I'm so interested in what the comments say, too. Yeah, interesting year in phones.
01:30:04
There's been so many foldables. I feel like a foldable, it's more likely than ever that a foldable could could finally
01:30:10
win MVP because I don't think it ever has. I don't think one. Or maybe it really depends on how the 10
01:30:17
Pro Fold comes out and the Samsung trifold like cuz right now it would be Zfold 7, right? Like that would be the
01:30:23
winner for best fold. Like if it's going to be like a foldable that wins that category
01:30:28
like the for the best phone of the year. Yeah, cuz there's other foldables that did like small parts of the puzzle. Well, like the Honor Magic is like so
01:30:35
thin and impressive, but also like software is kind of a mess and other parts aren't as good. Samsung's foldable
01:30:41
is just like super thin and the rest is good, too. So, that would probably check out.
01:30:46
But yeah, that is that is something we will be thinking a lot about between now and December 29th, please
01:30:53
when I eventually shoot that video. Yeah, yell at us in the comments. Tell us what you think we should win each category. And we should take a quick
01:31:00
break. But before we do that, one more trivia question.
01:31:07
Trivia, dude. So, yeah. Marquez, you finally canceled your Tesla
01:31:12
Roadster. I did. But you know who didn't cancel their Roadster? SpaceX. When they launched one
01:31:18
into space. So, in that launch, there was a mannequin in the driver's seat.
01:31:24
What was the mannequin's name? It had a name. It had a name.
01:31:29
Here's a hint. based off of a David Bowie song. Do you know? Oh, wait. I know this
01:31:35
there. I hate when Marquez gets pop culture references over me. Do I notice? Hold on. I need to Yeah.
01:31:46
No, I don't know. I don't know much about David Bowie. I was really hoping you were about to put an El John reference in.
01:31:53
It was probably a bad idea, but I'm going to give you a hint that will hopefully help me remember. It's definitely No, I'm not going to say it.
01:32:00
It's definitely based on a song name. It's one of his song names, I'm pretty sure. Uh Oh, it is. I remember. I remember it.
01:32:08
Okay, that helps me. You're welcome. Okay. Well, yeah, maybe you know it,
01:32:14
maybe you don't. We'll think about it. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
01:32:25
Welcome back. Uh we were going to talk about Marquez's James Cameron Bos
01:32:31
interview at he did at Meta a few days ago. Uh but during the break we got into a big argument about what is more
01:32:38
dangerous for a newcomer. Uh specifically Marquez Brownley elite
01:32:43
horse racing or Marquez getting dropped into the Red Bull F1 car. Um so if
01:32:50
you're interested in that conversation, just keep this video rolling. And if you're interested in trivia, you can
01:32:57
skip to the end. 20 minutes. It was a long conversation. It was a long conversation. Uh but yeah, so if you're interested, something that
01:33:03
has nothing to do with tech, but we thought was so fun. A little bit. Just a little bit of tech. A little uh we thought was so good, we
01:33:09
just had to include it. And if not, uh we'll see you at trivia.
01:33:14
I was going to say, what makes you a good horseback rider? How do you There's a Ask Olivia. She actually does.
01:33:20
Was it helpful? The trick one or the racing one? Equestrian. There's a bunch of different There's a couple.
01:33:25
There's like show There's like different One of the equestrians is like jumping. I think it's called Hunter. What's the
01:33:30
one John Oliver calls like fancy prancing? I It's like horse dancing. There's one of
01:33:36
those also. But then there's racing, which But that's the horse doing the stuff, but you have to teach him to do.
01:33:43
It's the car doing the stuff in in F1. Steering wheel on a horse. There's a
01:33:48
brain in there. There's a steering wheel. I don't know. There's probably more of a brain in an F1 car than a horse at this
01:33:54
point. That's a hilarious debate. How much skill who what takes more skill driving a car
01:34:01
or equestrian? Olivia is a horseback rider. I'm going to I would like to ask her how much skill
01:34:06
there is translating from the jockey to the horse. Like could you throw an average jockey
01:34:12
into the best horse and that horse is still going to win or is it the jockey that's doing the work? I think some of
01:34:18
the jumps they do are crazy and like to be able to be a
01:34:23
an athlete on a horse of that caliber is also very hard. I guess like is there a number one jockey? Is there a Tiger Woods?
01:34:31
Well, also jockey is only racing I believe. I think it's just like sure but even if we just leave it in
01:34:36
that like is there is there an argument to be made that the jockey matters so much that there is like
01:34:42
I think more from Great Britain is currently the number one I think jockeying a big thing of that is also just being as light as possible
01:34:48
because you're shaving off time whereas that's also true about fun drivers fun fact they're all like small
01:34:55
George Russell and Alex Alban are like over six feet tall that's why they never podium uh if you could Russell just podiumed while
01:35:02
almost dying last Not almost. He's just very sick. And if you put uh Max Versstappen
01:35:08
on a horse in the in the 10th best car. Yeah. No. No. This is definitely a
01:35:15
debate. How much I think Marquez might have won because I'm reading an article called
01:35:20
Horse Racing's LeBron James question mark. And they're talking about a horse. But you guys are all segment. You guys
01:35:26
are all talking about racing though. Ah, okay. which this whole conversation started in equestrian which is
01:35:32
different. I think that's even more important in equestrian hate horses. I think racing is the is the place where
01:35:39
you could argue most for the jockey. I agree cuz I think in the others it's like
01:35:44
that the jockey has skill or that the jockey doesn't matter as much. That the jockey has skill. Yeah, because I'd argue the jockey has less weight.
01:35:50
In horse dancing, if you have an ugly horse, you're going to lose. Yeah. Right. Isn't that how it works? We need to bring the Olivia on the
01:35:57
podcast. This is a horse conversation. Explain it in tech terms. I think we can all agree the most skillful horse sport
01:36:04
based on the rider is polo because that the rider actually has to be not only controlling the horse based on
01:36:11
different things live but also hitting the Here's something to think about. In horse racing,
01:36:17
you can win without actually crossing the line. The horse can cross the line without the rider and you still win.
01:36:23
Is that true? Mhm. I don't So, like right at the end, could you just launch yourself off the horse and extra
01:36:29
propel? There's a YouTube clip of somebody like having a like a collision, falling off the horse, and the horse
01:36:35
just goes, "Oh, I have way less weight now." And winning the race, and that was the winner. No way. So, why is anyone riding these
01:36:43
horses? Could you make the argument that that means the jockeys are important? Cuz then if they
01:36:48
Everybody would just jump off the horse off the start to be lighter, but then the horse Yeah. know where to
01:36:54
go. Do the horses know where to go? Or is your brain now horse? Yeah, maybe that horse is so well trained.
01:36:59
It's like, I got to win. I got to do this. Or maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe. Man, I hope Lane doesn't ride
01:37:06
horses. She likes them so much right now and I'm so scared. If I put you on the world's fastest LeBron James horse or F1 car, which one
01:37:14
would you be more scared? I have a much better chance on the horse. Scared? Much better chance. Oh, I highly disagree. I'd be way more
01:37:21
scared on the horse. way more scared on a horse. Have you ever seen someone fall off a horse? It's terrifying. No, it's terrifying. But I just
01:37:27
at least at least in the F1 car, you could go your own pace and not kill yourself like the horse,
01:37:32
that horse will end your life. I think if you if you put me on the horse and you put me in the F1 car and
01:37:38
you say, "Which one do you have the best chance of like winning or podiuming?"
01:37:43
It's easily the horse. No way. Easily. No way. I am never podiuming an race ever.
01:37:50
You're never podiuming. You're never podium. I'm just hanging on. I don't think I'm I I think there is a sliver of a chance.
01:37:56
How many times have you ridden a horse before? Five. I don't know very many. I You're not You're not podiuming in
01:38:03
either of these things, but I think you have a better chance of coming out of this whole experience
01:38:09
alive in the F1 car than the horse. I agree. If that's than a roided up super horse,
01:38:16
are you kidding? Hang on. I don't think you're hanging on. Really? I don't know, dude. Marquez, you're like 6'5.
01:38:22
It is hard, but Marquez does have really good quad strength. I think I And like like strap me onto the back of the
01:38:28
horse, dude. I think Well, you don't get strapped on. You still have to You have to like hold yourself on.
01:38:33
You're Marquez, you're a pretty good driver. I think you could handle you could, you know, every lap go a little
01:38:38
faster, get the feel of the car. You'd have people in your radio telling you what to do. Be blowing the doors off.
01:38:43
I think I think in the F1 car you you might not even you you might finish. I
01:38:49
think if you got I think I have a better chance of killing myself in the F1 car. I really don't, dude. Especially on like a on a horse race track where it's an
01:38:55
oval and the horse is going full speed the entire time. You have no chance to adjust to calibrate yourself.
01:39:01
If it makes like a hard turn, you're just flying off. You're falling off that horse. But there's way more hard turns than F1.
01:39:07
But you're in a car. But you're harnessed. And you've you've done hard turns in a car before. Not like hard.
01:39:14
I think it's way different. He could do the the the turn at whatever pace he wanted to. You know what I mean?
01:39:19
Marquez. Yeah. But I think it's not fair to do Well, I guess in straight up not dying.
01:39:24
Yes. But I don't I don't think it's a fair comparison of like him on a horse and him just like
01:39:31
in an F1 car like basically letting it like roll down. Which one do I have a better chance of not coming in last?
01:39:38
I think you're going to die on the horse. I think I I don't I think that is the
01:39:43
I think if the horse could come in second to last place pace and I'd be okay. Okay. And in F1, I just don't see Unless
01:39:49
there's DNFS, I don't think I come in second to last place ever in a I think you have a better chance in a
01:39:56
car. I think the reason he has a better chance on a horse is based on the probability of like somehow he does just
01:40:02
hang on the entire time. I don't think he has zero chance. I just need to know how jockeyies train.
01:40:07
I know what F1 drivers do and I know how hard what they do is. I have no idea how hard what a jockey does.
01:40:13
I'm not I'm not trying to disrespect F1 drivers. I totally get that. That is like one of the most elite niche
01:40:18
activities you can participate in. But I'm just saying Marquez Brownley right now you're plucked out of the studio and
01:40:23
you are put either in an F1 car on a starting grid right now
01:40:28
or you are put on the back of a championship quality horse. Yeah, I'm in the I'm on the horse or I'm
01:40:35
in the Red Bull F1 car. Yeah, you're a smart guy. You're a careful guy. You
01:40:40
would you would I agree with you on this. You're on that horse. The light the light goes. You are about
01:40:47
to experience things that you can't believe. I would like to see Marquez cuz he is probably almost twice the height of most
01:40:54
jockeyies. Yeah. How much does jockey weigh? 100 pounds. 110. Average jockeyies stand between 410 56
01:41:02
and weigh between 108 and 118. Wow. That's so specific. I will figure this out later. How
01:41:08
Jackie's trained. Yeah. No, I need to we need to ask Olivia. I need We need to just send her this last 20
01:41:13
minutes and see if she continues to work with us. Just watch it. This is the intro.
01:41:18
Well, that was a fun conversation. I I'm very much looking forward to the comments, but I think we should probably
01:41:24
get to trivia. Yeah, let's do it. There's a lot for people to comment
01:41:30
about. We did all the phones. We spoke about F1 and horses. There's a lot.
01:41:36
My disdain for horses are just because of how much my family's life revolved around horses as a kid and how much our
01:41:42
family car smelled like horse poop all of the time. Oh, I don't actually hate horses that much. I will say shout out to my sister
01:41:49
Simone. She did have a brief obsession with horses and luckily that did end
01:41:54
eventually. It's an expensive hobby. It is so expensive. I have something to say. smells like
01:42:00
horse poop because my attention was brought to a Reddit thread about me uh not being able
01:42:05
to afford a phone. Uh first of all, stop pocket watching. Hey,
01:42:11
second of all, uh that is not what I meant to say. What I meant to say was I did not feel that any of the upgrades I
01:42:17
would get on my current phone justify $1,000. And you're also excited for the folding
01:42:23
phone. I'm excited for the fold. Yes. And I don't trust Apple traded values enough
01:42:28
to buy a phone for $1,000 now only to buy a phone for $2,000 next year. Um
01:42:36
$3,000, Adam whispered in my ear. But these are all speculation. We don't know anything. But you know what I know that
01:42:42
they might know? What is the name of the tool included in most iix it kits that is used to be
01:42:50
wedged between the screen and the phone and rip that bad boy off? Hit it.
01:42:56
I wrote what I think you also wrote. I wrote what you definitely wrote, but I
01:43:01
kind of don't think that's it. Describe the piece. I can't think of anything else, though. I can't think of any other silly names
01:43:07
except for this one. Who says it has to be silly? I Yeah, that was part of the question,
01:43:13
right? The way Ellis asked the question implied that it is kind of a funny name.
01:43:18
I have to cover my bottom answer. Can you just erase it and remember what it is? Sure.
01:43:26
All right, let's flip those boards around. And you're both correct. It is called a
01:43:31
spudger. And now, Andrew, tell me about how wrong I am. I thought the little guitar picks were the thing that helped.
01:43:37
No, the spudger I thought was the long thing with the like flat piece at the
01:43:42
end of it. You're right. So, what's the what's the I thought the little guitar picks were like you use the suction cup to kind of
01:43:49
pop it enough and then the guitar picks go in and cut out the adhesive. I don't know what those are called, but the long
01:43:54
the long skinny thing that you stick in there. And so I thought that was for popping off all the ribbon cable like
01:44:00
that also you use to like push the display up and then you also use the pick to like help cut the adhesive. But
01:44:06
I thought the pick I thought you used the spudger to wedge it up and then the picks just hold it in the wedge. Like
01:44:11
you stick those in there. I thought the suction cup thing pulled the screen up enough and then you jam the pick in and
01:44:16
then you would like pull one of the or like you know scrape it along to take all the adhesive then leave it in like
01:44:22
you said then do the other side and then maybe I guess you use I thought this was trivia.
01:44:27
Yeah, I thought this was a horse. All right. Well, we both got it right. If my grandmother had wheels.
01:44:33
Uh so one thing that we have to mention also Andrew in the bonus episode last
01:44:38
week, two weeks ago, whenever that was time is a lie. September. Um, you asked a question that Marquez got right
01:44:45
and Ellis and I thought you were joking and didn't give him a point, but you really want to give him the point. I think you should get the point. All right,
01:44:51
I posed it as a question for David and Marquez. Do you get a point without me being eligible for it? So then there's a point for Marquez.
01:44:58
I should get a point for being generous. Charity so nice of you. So with that point, quick update on the
01:45:04
score. Uh, Marquez now with six, Andrew with eight, and David TBD because we're
01:45:10
gonna call him later. All right, question number two. What was the name of the mannequin in the driver's seat of the Roadster that got
01:45:17
shot into space? This would be crazy if I got a pop culture reference.
01:45:22
I know. It's so funny cuz it's not that far away from an era of music that I I just don't listen to any David Bowie
01:45:29
like at all. So, you hate horses and you don't listen to David Bowie? That's crazy.
01:45:34
[Music] I don't even I don't have an answer. You don't have any answer.
01:45:41
All right. Just write any David Bowie song. Here they are. One David Bowie song. I can't name a
01:45:47
single other David Bowie song. But I do think it's this one. Is it Rocket Man?
01:45:54
No. That's That's the joke that I said before though. The Elton John. Is that an Elton John song?
01:46:00
Elton John song. I take it all back. What is Andrew? You said nothing. I said nothing.
01:46:05
All right. Well, that's also wrong. The name was Starman. Stop. That's what it is. Close. You got You said rocket man.
01:46:11
Half right. Oh man. Yeah, you got the man part. Dang. I thought Yeah. Okay.
01:46:17
I bet David gets that one. I'm very excited to see if he gets that right or not. But anyway, lots of stuff
01:46:22
that you guys could leave comments about how wrong we are about the budget phone of the year, the small phone of the year, how hard it is to ride horses or
01:46:29
drive F1 cars. many things that I'm sure you guys will light us up about. I did not say driving F1 cars are easy.
01:46:36
I just want to say that. So, everyone's worried about how they're I'm worried about how my mom's going to call me after this and say how mean I
01:46:41
was to horses. I just think I just think you know you still have the pedals and the steering wheel in an F1 car. The horse does is
01:46:49
going to do what it's going to do if you drop that. Anyway, how hard could it be? Please sign off and
01:46:54
thanks for watching. And uh hey, next episode is correct me if I'm wrong. Techtober,
01:47:00
right? You're right. Next episode's Techtober. It is. Well, are we we record on the
01:47:06
first day of Techtober. All right. So, see you guys in Tectober. Peace.
01:47:11
Goodbye. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Reven, part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Entertra Music was created by Vain Sil.
01:47:27
David, [Music] I didn't have the question yet.
01:47:33
Welcome to Waveform Trivia. David, where in the world are you?
01:47:39
I am the in the French Alps. Nice. She's rub it in, why don't you? Well, I'm in New Jersey.
01:47:45
You asked me a question. You asked me a question. Well, I'm gonna ask you another question specifically. about iFixit toolkits
01:47:52
because on this episode of the waveform podcast we talked a little bit about iixit. iFixit toolkits typically come with a
01:47:59
tool that has a very silly name. This tool is used to pry the screen off of phones. What is this tool called
01:48:07
David? Oh, is it called
01:48:13
the prior tool? It is not called the prior tool.
01:48:18
We can't cut the music. So, uh, we're just going to we're just going to have to, uh,
01:48:24
let let you stew in the wrong answer. The correct answer was the spudger.
01:48:30
Oh, I wouldn't have got that at all. I'm now going to turn it over to my co-host, Adam Molina.
01:48:38
Hello, Adam Molina. Hello, David. Next question. Uh, I don't know if you saw in the Slack, but
01:48:43
Marquez canled his Roadster order. So, we were talking Roadster this episode. Um, when it was launched into space,
01:48:51
there was a mannequin in the driver's seat. What was the name of that mannequin?
01:48:57
There's a You get a Here's the hint that Marquez gave Andrew in the room.
01:49:03
It is the the name of the mannequin is the same as a the name of a David Bowie song.
01:49:10
This did not help either of them, but there is a David Bowie song.
01:49:16
Yeah. Um, geez. I know this. Hold on. Uh,
01:49:23
gonna need to flip that mental board, David. Flip it. Flip it. I'm trying to flip it cuz I literally know this.
01:49:33
Hold on. I didn't run out of time. I didn't run out of time. No, you ran out of time.
01:49:39
Yeah, you you guys ran out of time. Uh, it's it's
01:49:44
Come on, David. Ziggy, start out. Ziggy Stardust. Nope, that's a guy. Close.
01:49:49
It's uh Starman.
01:49:55
Isn't Ziggy Stardust a David Bowie song? I think it's a nickname of David Bow's
01:50:00
or an alter ego of sorts. Thanks for playing. Thanks for playing this episode of Wayport Trivia.
01:50:07
I'm 100% sure. David, you scored zero points, keeping you in last place with
01:50:13
three points. Enjoy France. Epic. Enjoy France. We'll see you next week.
01:50:18
We miss you dearly. It's not the same without you. A that's cute. I'll bring back some
01:50:24
panoramas for you guys. You know what happened while you're gone, David? The entire third
01:50:29
What has happened? The entire third segment of this week's episode is about horses.
01:50:36
[Laughter] We cut an interview with James Cameron because the horse conversation was so
01:50:42
extra. That's incredible. I love that. That deserves to happen.
01:50:48
Enjoy your vacation. We miss you. We'll see you soon. Peace. Peace. Thank you. See you soon.
