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we were talking about this before we recorded I half feel like Apple invented these levels these
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of the waveform something feels off yeah something feels a little backwards right
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now that's right we're the hosts this week yeah they don't know where all the sound buttons are yet so they might be a
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little slow oh they know where that one is one requires an explanation for audio
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listeners oh yeah yeah so for those of you who are not watching us with your eyeballs Adam and I are at the big table
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the big boy table Marquez and Andrew are at the producer table and this is because last week we had a
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mutiny fullon Revolution no we played a game of pingpong two games of ping pong doubles
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pingpong and in those games there was a bet that if Adam and I won we would get to sit at the big table and host the podcast and here we are at first I thought we
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were joking so did I same and we started playing like really well and it got real
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serious Andrew we can't lose we're playing so well and then we blew kind of a big lead at the end yeah so here we
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are I definitely got to work yesterday and they were like so you excited to host the podcast tomorrow and I was like
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oh man we're doing that like I like oh okay I'd say we let them win because then it just it's less work for me to do
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this week oh my God K we up beat fair and square so this week we have a lot of topics we have a Vision Pro stand a new Garmin uh signal WhatsApp iMessage all
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had updates AI Reddit training deal Walmart buys Vio Apple added a ton of things Sora we never spoke about last week opening eyes s we didn't talk about it so there's like a lot of uh a lot of
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things that we have to this we but first Apple Vision sand is that how is that how we sound yeah it's weird right I'm I've never seen it from this perspective before it's it's it's really good I will
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say you definitely have it down better I felt like I was just reading off the the page here but like you you do a thing
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where you like look up you look down you look up yeah you get to a flow of it for sure exactly I'll get there in three episodes well to kick it off our good
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friend of the Show creator of the Apollo Reddit app Christian selig posted a uh 3D printable Vision Pro stand that I thought looks really nice and I just wanted to shout it out because this is
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an interesting time in the vision Pros life cycle there's not a ton of third-party accessories you can buy but
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they are slowly hitting the market and this one is free and 3D printable and I thought that was great but I did yeah
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they down a rabbit hole a few other Vision Pro accessories uh some of which are neat
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some of which are hilarious and I just wanted to show you some of them this week the first one I I'm sorry I had to
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I just the power of having all these buttons here I'm so sorry really tempted do you see the
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Temptation now I'm trying not to pass them all the time but I was I just I'm sorry oh my god well the first one
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arguably the least ridiculous is uh and you can buy this at an Apple store too this is the belon battery holder it's sort of like one of those uh cell phone belt see I would argue this is the most
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ridiculous because you could buy it at an Apple Store really this is like they're like they're selling this
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officially yeah yeah yeah a belt clip for a battery pack does the battery get hot like if it's in your pocket no but what if you have no pockets you know big brain yeah and no
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pockets with belt is a reasonable clothing situation to find oneself in I think um not that wearing an apple Vision Pro is a Reas reasonable fashion
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decision to find a fair point but they only get weirder from from that the second one we found that I thought was
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just hilarious is an adapter someone selling on Etsy to uh instead of the uh what's the twin band called The the top bandal Loop yeah so instead of the Dual Loop band there's not enough cushion and
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and whatever for you there this lets you attach a second solo knit band to your existing solo knit band sort of as like a a skull cradle step it's one of the
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silliest things I've like ever seen this is this is good like this is a good one
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this is what Apple should be selling well if you think that is good if you want to go to the bottom of my list uh
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you know marz's mentioned Apple Vision Pro puts a lot of weight on your cheekbones there's a lot of vertical
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Force going down so with this product you can uh wear a baseball hat and then actually hook the Vision Pro onto the brim of the cap as
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like an ADD additional support layer this is awesome this is the kind of innovation I want to see and if you buy
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two of them it's only $34 each on top of the 3500 for the Vision Pro but that's fine and I don't know why you would ever need two uh the last one I saw is I like I this has to be something that existed
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before and they were like oh this would work with Vision Pro um It's the weird teu link for like this sort of baclava
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looking thing that I guess helps your face not get sweaty this is a thing I mean it's on teu so thing is you know really loose description what it is nice nice I feel
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like you'd get sweatier with this it's just putting more fabric between your face and the thing that's but it soaks
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up the sweat yeah maybe it's like breathable or something oh it says breathable is it though it's also
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$224 I don't know how much I'm believing this look at the third photo Marquez just looked at and look at the with mask
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without mask oh my God it's just a woman sweating and then a woman not sweating but has a little cloth yeah is also a ninja ridiculous it's crazy but um yeah
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shout out to Christian shout out to the emerging Vision Pro accessory Market excited to see what else gets there
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before we launch into the real stories this week we also want to mention David who's in Japan right now instead of
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being on the podcast put out a video on the studio Channel what a loser who goes to Japan God he's actually doing
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something really cool there that I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about but hopefully in the next few weeks yeah we can mention but he uh just put out a
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cool video on the Fuji x16 uh which is weird because that's the successor to the X100 V so clearly they need to figure something out in the naming Department there but it's a great
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video talks all about jpegs and heaths and compression and color and uh if you like heaths that's your video If you yeah exactly if you're if you're a heafer marz no good a good shout I like
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I love that video super good explainer I find the Vision Pro accessories fascinating yeah really okay go remember
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maybe this was like two weeks ago we were talking about this magical like 3 to 5% of the price of the object is
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where the accessory should be priced The Meta of okay not a lot of people have talking about yeah sorry but not a lot of people have Vision Pros but they have a lot of money because they're
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spending $3,500 on it why is a $2 Teemu IM mask a real consider like I'm shock it isn't $20 to be honest right it's just a
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fascinating Dynamic with these I think because this was already being sold for other VR headsets yeah I think it it
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shows other VR stuff this is just now they can add Vision Pro to the to the title get that SEO also just saying
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according to teu the original price is $16 58 cents so it's just happens to be on 86% sale allegedly I just like how three of the things you posted were sold on
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teu Etsy and eBay where do you buy stuff the belon battery pack sounds like something that should be on like eBay like oh it's a 3D printed belt clip for your battery man I I think it's uh Bon's
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huge yeah but why are they like I just feel like that's a weird accessory well I mean if you're Belin oops sorry no for Belin it's genius yeah I was going to say if you if you work for Belin you see
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that apple is releasing a new product you're like well we're Belin so we need to make an accessory for it what
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accessories can we make for the Vision Pro they probably thought for a long time about this they're like can we make
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a second head strap I don't know apples is pretty good can we make a different like an eye mask for it or something
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that's kind of weird well we do make cases we can make maybe a carrying case oh Apple did that already but you know
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what we can do belt clip but what's crazy is that they had to go to Apple and be like
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here's our idea mhm we want to sell a belt clip for your absurd battery pack in your store and apple was like yeah that's a good idea Apple's like you know we don't make one we don't make one so
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go ahead sure that's just crazy it's like apple admitting that like yeah this is kind of inconvenient isn't it like here's a belt clip it's funny cuz Apple
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has the stuff that they sell in Apple Stores that's made by Apple and they have third-party authorized things that
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Apple brings in and puts in the Apple Store that they think people want to make and they don't make it themselves but they think people would want to buy it so they can mark it up and sell it
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and there's lots of weird cases and accessories for their products and little stands and things
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like that like I wish my iPad would just stand up by itself but they the folio case is 80 bucks so maybe I'll buy like
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a random other stand that they sell yeah so they Apple allows it I guess and this
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is fine it's like Belin is is one of those fish that like eats the AL algae off the shark like the shark's like I
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won't kill you it's exactly what what is that called the I feel like you had a whole video
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about this marz I do feel like that too oh yeah yeah crazy uh but anyway Adam we're
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watch guys we are what are you wearing today which watch watch check I'm not wearing a [Laughter]
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watch dang love that love that and it's funny cuz you came to me and you were like how do you feel about talking about
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watches on the podcast and I was like yeah sure I assumed you would wear a watch I know oh well okay well Garmin
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has a new one the 4Runner 165 which I actually kind of like it's pretty sick uh normally Garmin watches are very expensive like the one that I wear right now is the Phoenix 7 Pro Sapphire solar
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something Edition adds seven more adjectives to the name and it's like $800 which is ridiculous the one that
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Andrew's wearing is 1,000 the Apple watch Ultra is 800 right okay I think mine's I think the one I'm using currently is 800 cuz it's not the solar version something but yeah are super
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expensive they're crazy expensive that's the point so like this one that's coming out now is $249 for the regular 4Runner
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165 and 299 for the 4Runner 165 music Edition I think music something uhhuh um basically the music the only difference is you can put music on it I don't know why that's like a separate thing but
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okay but either way 249 299 is really good that's crazy yeah and it has like a 1.2 in AMOLED screen which looks pretty good uh judging from the videos I've seen cuz I've watched a ton of YouTube
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videos about this thing cuz all the reviews dropped yesterday I think the biggest differentiator in a lot of Garmin watches to me are the ones that
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have the AMOLED screens and don't they they just look so much better when they're AMOLED yeah mine doesn't have I
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think my watch looks so much better it does yeah thanks thanks for rubing that in here so so much better yours yeah but
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yeah so the AMOLED screen is actually like really nice and then this one so the 4Runner Series in general is four
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runners um and oh sorry hold on wait wait wait oh no oh wait he's going for it nice there it is he's getting it uh but yeah so it's four runners they have
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a bunch of different like uh options there's the 9965 I think is one that they have
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that's like the higher end one um yeah the 4 Runner 965 it's the most premium one they sell and even that is
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$600 if you're not super into running it's really unlikely that you're going to buy one of these like higher end garments or something yeah um so this is pretty much and I really like the uh the
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marketing for this this watch as well because it says go ahead sign up for that race that's like the tagline for this watch and that is perfect for the
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kind of watch this is this is for someone that's like kind of into fitness but not really like they're debating running this year they're trying to get
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into it but they don't want to spend $800 on a watch for something they might not even be doing in six months so this
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is like a way and not to say that $2 or $300 isn't expensive but like the alternatives are 800 you know like it's
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crazy so having the the features from the high higher end 4Runner series come down to something at this price point I
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think is super exciting uh like this one has body battery a Garmin coach so they
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have like marathon training race adaptive training so basically that means that when you start a plan and
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you're like oh I want to do a half marathon in a couple months uh it'll set up a schedule for you and if you miss
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those like run dates like I do all the time it'll just automatically adjust the runs that you should be doing to like
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keep you on Pace and be like hey I see you uh skip the last couple runs like I'm going to adjust the rest of the SCH to keep you on track um there's sleep
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tracking and a sleep score but the killer feature I think is this thing has an 11-day battery life in Smartwatch
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mode and and it has an AMOLED display so that's like pretty insane 11 days yeah but that is uh so there's a YouTuber DC rain maker great great freaking YouTuber uh he reviews all these watches but he
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in his review pointed out that he got consistently about four days and that's with one or two workouts each day uh I wonder if that's also with always on display I I found mine always on display
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I can get like six days but if I were to even just turn on like raised to wake it could go up to like 10 plus pretty easy
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yeah it's crazy and and two workouts a day like that's a lot yeah well not two workouts one or two hours of workouts
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each day although I'm sure for the review he probably did do like two workouts a day just to like try out cycling and also running but here here's
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my question does this thing have the same sort of ruggedness that the expensive ones no no so the one that like I'm wearing the one that Andrew's wearing these have a kind of metal top
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to them um like I don't even know if it's what it's called so I don't want to say what kind of metal but it's the top is metal the rest of it is like a a poly
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resin or something these are also plastic so the glass screen is obviously glass but the watch itself is more plastic which isn't um that's more like
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a 4Runner line thing that's not necessarily this model all of the four runners are a lighter weight kind of
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resin yeah the Forerunner stuff is very specifically for running um and like Marquez Marquez do it
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yeah smooth I'm leaving in those pauses I'm working on it but so like they definitely aren't trying to adapt to the like ruggedness of some of the more GPS focused like hiking trail
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running kind of things um but that's why can get the price down and still I think an AMOLED screen it's not going to be
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any less durable than like an Apple Watch or a Galaxy watch or something um but yeah it's not at the level of the
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super highend like go camping or hiking or backpacking with to me I feel like that was the thing that would really set
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it apart from the series 9 right like if it could if you could take it outdoors and not not have to worry about it but I don't know man for that price it's pretty good pretty cool they're also
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still pretty rugged like the four runners you could still slap them around around uh you might like crack a screen if you hit a rock or something but
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hopefully you're not I bet it's more durable than the curved edges on like an apple watch that are glass as well
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that's always like a worry I've had and I've cracked ones there before too basically long story less long this is
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like a pretty great entrylevel running watch which is like rare cuz they had another another version I think it was the 4Runner 55 or 65 something like that that was even cheaper but it did not
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have any of these features so like it almost doesn't exist in my mind anymore like if someone says I want to get into
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Garmin which watch do I get I think this is the one cool cool well in other Tech
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news Google just launched a free version of The rebranded Bard AKA Gemini the free version is called Gemma crazy and that's all we have to say about that but
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OnePlus has a smartwatch they're back baby they're back one plus is back first it was a keyboard now it's a watch what are they going to do next honestly do they have a book no they did have a TV
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at one point Didn't They yes it might be 2024 and netbooks might be dead but OnePlus bring it back I feel like it's
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what's next uh what's going on with this OnePlus watch uh I want to read I want to just start this off with reading what
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they said in the Forum post cuz this this is all from a forum post cool cool uh they said I am thrilled to share some
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truly exciting news with you after a three-year Hiatus and a reflective pause following the OnePlus watch one we are
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returning to the Smartwatch scene with the one plus Watch 2 Brave the OnePlus One or the OnePlus watch one excuse me uh famously not a
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great watch uh Marquez reviewed it and I think your tagline was they settled are
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you excited for the for the second version of this me personally yeah I want to see it do better yeah okay yeah
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cuz the first one so okay so first of all here's what we know about the new OnePlus watch uh two colors black steel
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and radiant steel which is just black and silver estimated 100 hours of battery life okay which I don't doubt
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seeing as the last one Marquez and you review you said it lasted like a week right before you had to throw it on the throw it on the charger yeah but the
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last one also did basically nothing ah so I'm curious to see how they're going to get 100 hours while improving the
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watch or if it still is going to do basically nothing uh not a great sign also the other thing we know is that
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it's going to be unveiled February 26th at mwc in Barcelona and it also has a new tagline so the Garmin one I liked the tagline like just do that race or whatever it was uh this one is they're
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changing it from Flagship killer to ecosystem Builder ecosystem Builder like the watch will build you an ecosystem I guess so I don't know it has a bad ring to it I get it they're trying to add to
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like the ecosystem of OnePlus products but Flagship killer Just Hits so much harder than ecos Builder that's not
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threatening at all yeah like it it went from Flagship killer which was like ooh like I'm paying attention to what you
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have to say now deadly to ecosystem Builder that's like a slide on a deck somewhere infinitive downgrade yeah not great also like a watch doesn't feel
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like something that builds an ecosystem it's something that complements an ecosystem that's another yeah that's a
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good point it's not the like building block of an ecosystem it's something that you toss in after the ecosystem is
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built already cuz I mean Maybe I'm Wrong maybe I'm wrong but based on the people I know no one is gonna buy you know a
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$200 smart watch and then it's like okay because I have this watch I'm now going to get a $33,000 computer you know it's
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it's usually the other way around I think I think you're right but it's also interesting in the the way that people
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fill out their ecosystem usually it starts with the phone and then what is the second or third thing that you buy
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and is that purchase directly impacted by the ecosystem so like iPhone's the obvious one I want to go buy earbuds
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okay the obvious one is the ecosystem earbud Buds and Apple's built out this gigantic ecosystem of oh you want a smartwatch we got an ecosystem one oh you want a tablet we got an ecosystem one oh you want a headset we got an
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ecosystem one and I think OnePlus is trying to do the same thing okay you have a OnePlus phone great you want a
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smartwatch we're going to build out our ecosystem a little bit we got a tablet we've got other stuff so wouldn't the
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the phone be the ecosystem Builder I think the phone is the Hub and all the things around it are ecosystem Builders
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okay really that's interesting okay you're like totally in the Apple ecosystem right uh right now I guess
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you're wearing watch yeah I have Garmin watch and I use Windows at home but at work it's all Apple stuff what do you
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mean windows windows at home the world uses Windows Ellis Adam and I chat on MSN Messenger when we're at home no you don't no one Chats on MSN Messenger I'm trying well I was just
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thinking cuz I feel like I actually might have I went sort of a zigzag route through the Apple EA so system I think I
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cuz I switched to Mac in middle school never looked back never ever even once looked back um switched to Apple in
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Middle School got an iPhone switched off of Android in high school wait so you had an Android phone I thought that your first phone was iPhone no no no oh what was your first Android phone my first
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Android phone I had I had two Android phones the first one was a Samsung with a slide out keyboard a
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slide out horizontal keyboard I can't remember what it was called doesn't matter the second one was a Kera rise
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that thing rocked yeah I still have the Kera rise that was really fun um and then I got a
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4S um the good one yeah but then it was like a long time and then I think it went airpods then iPad and then I started borrowing an Apple Watch from
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here but I still haven't owned one I don't know maybe that's not that weird maybe that was like a totally boring story we'll just Happ to the podcast um
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what an exhilarating story L wow but anyway yeah we've got more great news coming up yeah but first and it feels so weird to say this you got to do the
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pause you got to do the pause I I don't even know because I'm the this is like my thing you know like and now I've
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given it to someone else you've given up the power all right it's time for trivia oh my God this is weird nailed it you better not mess this up it's me
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sorry I'm doing the first trivia question what a smooth transition between finding the button um all right so Garmin the
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company we just talked about is most famously known for Fitness tracking devices like SmartWatches mhm oh I
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already know the answer GPS's you don't even need to finish the question created their name by combining the name of their two Founders Gary Bell and Minh
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cow I did not see that okay this is not what I Min H cow I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right but min n h k a o
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okay but when they first started in 1989 selling a $2500 GPS device they went by
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a different name that also combines two words this time what was the original company name oh you know how proud I am that you
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thought you knew it and I got the curveball in there like cuz that happens all the time to me where like I know this I know this and then you say what I
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know out loud and I'm like damn it's going deeper I thought because I found out a few months ago that Garmin also
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does uh flight control panels for fighter jets and they sell really really expensive military grade smart watches that contct plug in with those flight
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decks um but so yeah that's not not where that's where I that's czy well at the end answers at the end wow now we're saying this part this so crazy uh we'll
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visible.com okay welcome back since David is not here I thought I'd take this opportunity to yell from the
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mountaintops about how much better every other messaging service is besides telegram wait this is this is anti- telegram this is an anti well no telegram is fine it's an anti- David
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loving telegram segment David on the plane listening to this right now when this is out he's
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fuming already he hasn't even heard it he's texting me like you my God uh so basically there's a bunch of updates to a bunch of different messaging services and we're just going to kind of list
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through them because some of them are pretty crazy so for the first one signal adds usernames crazy wild yes wait what did they have before just phone numbers
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so before you had to like know someone's phone number if you wanted to contact them through signal now there's a
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username uh add in the obligatory David telegram's had that forever but yes now signal has it too um basically it's a username that you can use to initiate a
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message with other people once you start the message then they can see your phone
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number if they have it in their contacts already otherwise they do not see your phone number cool the username is also
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not displayed in the chat so like if you pick I don't know Ellis the god 23 Ellis
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the god charlis the god charlot melis the God then they'll see that when they want to start a message with you okay but then after that once you start talking with them it'll just say Ellis Roman or whatever you put as
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your name in Signal okay yeah it's pretty cool so like a lot of like reporters do this where they will put it
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in their bio and be like if you have a tip hit me up on Signal 943 228 9666 okay but now you can just have your username and just be like hit me up let me know what you want to what you want to talk about cool I don't use any of
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these apps well no you use one of them which one iMessage yeah I me I I use I use iMessage we're going to get to that there's some juicy stuff there but I don't use any of the like third party
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encryption got messaging apps uh yeah um WhatsApp does not have this feature to my knowledge and iMessage doesn't either which is pretty cool so Telegram and Signal are the only two right now well I
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shouldn't say only two there's probably a million but the main two that have uh usernames where you can start that
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contact so that's pretty dope that's dope I guess can you do this with imessage if
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you make a fake email and just talk to people through your iMessage email account cuz can't you do that yeah you
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can do that you can do that right I've definitely gotten like yeah okay so never mind so you can do it with
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imessage if you create a fake email yeah a lot of the time when PE when I get like fake spammers yeah or like like a
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fake USPS text over imess that just got some like ridiculous email attached to it interesting yeah okay uh next on the list is is WhatsApp they added new features literally this morning right
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before running in here thank God it wasn't a crazy update because we had like four minutes to digest this I know
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but basically there's four new text markdown style syntax formatting options you can now do bulleted list numbered
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list block quotes and inline code in your WhatsApp blog post in your blog in your WhatsApp literally it's pretty cool uh actually that's not too far off from what I'm sure they're hoping people will
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use this for because they have those like communities and you can kind of post blog post in WhatsApp oddly enough
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so I'm sure that's probably a part of it no that's cool I there you know my yes I
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just think you could tell a lot of really funny jokes with these things you know what I mean I'm weird like bullet
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or like bullet point list sounds awesome yeah yeah I don't know why I would be excited for that but like I'm like oh I
00:28:53
would like to do that there's so many times where I try and send people things like these are a couple options someone
00:28:58
just asked me the other day like what are some different TVs you'd like to use it' be so much easier or like if I could
00:29:04
just put out some a couple different companies rather than just comma and then when they go to look at it quickly later there's just a bullet point list
00:29:10
the beauty of markdown baby or what if we were texting each other and you were like Ellis do you want to go get dinner
00:29:16
here and then I responded with an inline comment that just said no you suck that'd be hilarious I think so anyway
00:29:23
that happened in real life by the way um the last iMessage or the last messaging update is iMessage which adds they iMessage added Quantum encryption
00:29:37
which is crazy I barely under I understand how like you can you can get prime numbers easier when you have cubits and super positions and stuff
00:29:49
like that that's more than I understand so you're way ahead of me I don't I don't understand exactly how it worked the the thing that really struck me
00:29:55
about this announc well two things the first is that app really seem to want to hammer home that
00:30:01
um this protects against future quantum computer capabilities like even if your hash or your password gets scraped now and then five years from now a new
00:30:14
quantum computer gets invented and distributed it's still can't be I don't know how they protect against the future
00:30:19
apple is doing some weird time cop stuff um time cop but they did put a fun this
00:30:25
is the other thing they did put a really fun Apple graphic yeah in this announcement classic apple they just
00:30:31
went out of their way to dunk on like every other messaging app it's so funny um i' also never heard of Viber that's a new one for me you heard of Viber you guys you guys vibing Viber was back in
00:30:43
your day I don't use it but it's another one I've heard of okay yeah yeah so they released this graphic where it kind of
00:30:49
shows the different levels of encryption so they have classical cryptography which is level zero and level one which
00:30:55
is no endtoend encryption and endtoend encryption by default respectively then they have postquantum cryptography pqc
00:31:03
which has level two which includes pqx DH which is signals Quantum protocol that they released a couple months ago um and then they have all by themselves far off to the right level three pqc key
00:31:18
establishment plus ongoing pqc reing we were talking about this before we recorded I half feel like Apple invented
00:31:26
these levels are you okay all right we're back yeah sorry about that for audio listeners um a
00:31:38
light just fell and missed Adam's head by like one inch I'm a God yeah geez I don't know if that means the spirit the spirits are angry that we're hosting the podcast or that the spirits are happy
00:31:52
were hosting the podcast and like spared you oh that's a very good point um I I blame Marquez I was like looking for the heads up button like wait where is it what's
00:32:04
the heads up button but I I don't think we have that much more to say about the Apple cryptography thing honestly the
00:32:09
last time we talked about cryptography uh the the people on Twitter and in the comments did a really great job of explaining the difference between end to end encryption and so yeah more of the story apple has
00:32:23
a new Quantum encryption standard that they're bringing to iMessage so now Apple and Signal are the two that have
00:32:29
Quantum Computing encryption and we have to wait for an equally snarky graphic by signal oh I'm ready for it yeah yes I
00:32:36
sorry I would like to point out something about this graphic totally totally for it they put iMessage at the top with uh level
00:32:43
three but until they add RCS support if you use iMessage and you text someone with an Android phone that is level zero unencrypted SMS Quantum encryption came
00:32:56
before RCS just saying how does that make you feel we're still waiting for that RCS support so I want to say that IM message is both at the highest and
00:33:03
lowest levels depending on who you're texting that that's by Design is hilarious it's your fault for having
00:33:09
friends with Androids yeah get them an iPhone yeah well buy buy all your mom and your
00:33:16
friends and iPhone buy them all iPhones oh my God AI Reddit training deal Adam what's that Reddit the social media app last year block off access to their
00:33:28
apis for third party developers started a whole Kur fuffle whoo blah blah uh we spoke about it here in the podcast that's part of how we met Christian selig actually where we spoke about at
00:33:39
the top of the top of the episode now they have a new deal that they're working on where with an undisclosed
00:33:45
company they will allow them to scrape Reddit data for 60 million a year which is crazy that's a lot of money 60 million a year wait so what does that
00:33:57
mean with an undisclosed company so they didn't say who the company is this was they were telling their investors I
00:34:03
believe oh but so but this company is paying them 60 million it's not like it's not like that's the price like I
00:34:08
couldn't go up to Reddit with 60 million and be like I want to scrape maybe I don't know it's the highest bidder let's
00:34:15
find out uh so I just found that really interesting because this is this was part of their plan from the start it was like I think the AI thing they probably well I don't know maybe they did see it coming I don't think a lot of people saw
00:34:26
this coming but they definitely wanted to keep their data they realized how valuable that Reddit data was so by
00:34:32
blocking off third party access last year dealing with the whole blowback and everything that went that happened with
00:34:38
the protest and all that stuff now they're going to API or not API IPO IPO thank you so many freaking acronyms they're going to IPO which they've been saying they're going to do since 2021 or something or 2020 but now they're
00:34:51
actually knock on wood I don't have wood around me going to do it so now they're going to be scraping or letting people
00:34:58
scrape their Reddit data which is really interesting I feel like the moral of the story is just know that Reddit just
00:35:03
cares about iping and making money now and doesn't give a about any of its users except for all of the stuff that
00:35:09
they post on there that now they can scrape for data for AI and except for the top 75,000 of its biggest users
00:35:15
which Wall Street Journal reported this morning that they're planning to save some of their IPO stock for those
00:35:22
users cool they've been trying to IPO for three years I don't know it's a show over there also like you know they I'm
00:35:30
looking here online and it seems like last year they had a total revenue of like $800 million about that um to just
00:35:38
like give it to all of your fans and supporters and then the reward being $60 million which is a lot of money but not for like a redit sized company it's like damn bro well that's 60 million a year I
00:35:53
know but it's like like like you gave all of those develop velers and like loyal people on your sight the finger
00:36:00
for 60 mil it's like you could even crack 100 Mil really damn that unnamed that no wonder the company's unamed they don't want to
00:36:11
they don't want to out who F dogged them like I mean I don't know dude like that's what I take away from this like like to do to to to just just just give
00:36:23
it to all the people who support you for for 60 mil well they're going to give some money back to 75,000 of those top users who I don't know who's still there because the like most excited loyal
00:36:36
Reddit users I feel like left or like stopped using it in that way didn't that's what I was going to ask do you think so obviously we have our stance on
00:36:43
it and us being particularly concerned about privacy what fraction of actual cuz 800 however many million people use Reddit every month how what fraction of those people actually care enough to
00:36:56
stop using Reddit cuz remember we talked about last time you're upsetting the most important 10% of your audience and
00:37:02
let's say you leave them you still have 90% of the people yeah yeah your answer is that in 2023 the revenue was up 20% yeah like listen I think like I hate
00:37:14
what they did with it reddit's still doing absolutely fine and I'm sure to them it doesn't make a difference I
00:37:20
would argue that probably a lot of people moderating Subs are not as well versed as the old moderators used to be
00:37:25
who left um I mean we gave up the MKBHD subreddit to just like it's just an unofficial subreddit now cuz we didn't feel like dealing with it anymore but they're fine I always knew they were going to be fine but it doesn't mean
00:37:36
they didn't give a giant middle finger to all their like really loyal users and again they were a web-
00:37:42
based uh website that didn't have an official app until they bought a third- party app called it the official app it is still terrible by the way it is an
00:37:53
awful app and then just said oh yeah everyone so yeah St hman is there like a Reddit like competitor like is there another site that you can compare to Reddit that that
00:38:07
people could even go to no there's it's the same thing as like the Twitter competitor there's a competitor yes does anyone give a about it no I don't know if it still exists anymore but
00:38:18
iFunny feels like it was comparable to no it was not why not wasn't like a random picture
00:38:27
of the day that that like a just stole pictures it was sort of I mean I never used it it was more of a gen Z thing that I was a part of but my little brother used it I Funny has been around
00:38:37
for a very well that's what I'm saying it's like when you know when my brother was like nine and had like a whatever
00:38:44
device he had like iFunny was the app for him and his friends it feels like just the r/f funny subreddit yeah
00:38:50
exactly but I think there's like a likes and points I don't know I should I should shut my mouth before the I Funny
00:38:55
Community comes after the one that everybody about potentially being the alternative never heard of
00:39:01
that yeah I've never heard you only hear about it when you hear about people being mad at Reddit is
00:39:07
it is it on activity Pub I don't know if it's j that was a that was a really bad
00:39:13
[Music] joke nice nice getting it all right you know who else has billions of dollars
00:39:20
Walmart Walmart baby oh man okay Walmart thank you thank you Walmart buy Vio um okay so before we launch into this I just want to say a lot of the
00:39:35
cool stuff we're about to say in this story came from some really good reporting in the Atlantic by Justin Pot
00:39:41
and also some Associated Press reporting that I found in the San Diego Union Tribune just wanted to lay some credit
00:39:47
where it's due get all our sources so for everyone listening when Ellis and I found out that we were going to be doing this we went crazy just factchecking
00:39:55
everything we put in in the dock three times we were so nervous turns out it's it's terrifying so there's the
00:40:02
sources there you go uh yeah and uh just like really great research and Reporting
00:40:08
by them but um okay first of all 2.3 billion Jordan Jordan uh second of all that's so much money that's like a ton of money 2.3 billion and uh and I wanted
00:40:21
to you know it makes you think because Vio is a budget TV Manu factur right and it's not like they've like skirted around and found this Market as a budget TV like they have made budget TVs since
00:40:34
the beginning I don't really think they've gone into too many other product categories too many other markets um
00:40:43
sound bars maybe I don't even know I don't yeah but so this is like a weird time to enter the budget TV market right
00:40:50
uh and that's because TVs are like ridiculously cheap right now some are free exactly they're so cheap that you can literally get some for free and this is this is a new thing like if you're if
00:41:03
you're 10 years old like I don't know why you're listening to the waveform podcast but if you are 10 years old then you don't remember that 10 years ago 15
00:41:09
years ago TVs were really expensive did you guys ever play Club Penguin mhm yeah oh you did okay you asked me the other
00:41:16
day and I was like I feel like remember what one of the most expensive furniture items in Club Penguin was it was the big
00:41:22
screen TV that was 5,000 coins you could get I'm pretty sure I don't someone will have to price check this but I'm pretty
00:41:28
sure you could get an entire LED dance floor in your igloo for about the same price as a single television oh wa let
00:41:34
me fact check this yeah fact check that um what it is worth noting that and this
00:41:39
I did fact check okay this I did fact check that a puffle in Club Penguin was one sixth of the price of a TV you could
00:41:47
purchase literal flesh for less than that of a TV okay anyway TVs are cheap for a few reasons right now one is uh they completely changed the manufacturing process they use this
00:41:59
thing called motherg glass where they start with like a big giant glass sheet and they can stamp multiple displays out
00:42:05
of that that's crazy so there's a lot less waste which is great also TVs have a lot of competition from the bottom
00:42:13
side of the price equation because uh companies like TCL and high sense can make really cheap TVs that are still really decent and that forces the expensive guys like LG and Samsung to
00:42:25
effectively lower than prices to compete but but the big reason TVs are so cheap
00:42:32
right now and this is something people don't think about a lot is because they scrape an
00:42:37
unbelievable amount of data from you and that's how they make the money back just a frankly unbelievable amount of data um
00:42:45
and that's why according to this blog called carpedm which does like Financial graphs and stuff like that uh TVs have
00:42:51
decreased by an average of 97% since the year 2000 that's right 97% um and another little fun fact I threw in here that's related is that Roku a company that also makes really
00:43:05
cheap TVs usually partnered with other people makes four to five times as much revenue off of what they call uh
00:43:13
platform platform yeah so that's like ads on the Roku Channel licensing out the operating system this that this that
00:43:19
than they do on their actual devices so it's way way way more profitable to be in the data game when it comes to TVs than it is to which is why the Telly is completely free and I'm still waiting
00:43:31
for mine ex yeah where is it I'm thinking about something right now yeah they scrap they scrape a lot of data mhm
00:43:38
um oh no find it find it no left top left I mean that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data nice but also
00:43:51
uh is that even like okay what kind of data would a TV scrape from from me every let's say it knows everything I watch yeah and when you watch it and when I watch it and when I turn the TV
00:44:02
on and off do you have kids do you have a partner are you alone do you think they know that yes or do they infer that
00:44:09
from the data do you watch Love Island at 8:30 pm. two nights a week you have a girlfriend that's EXA damn that's good
00:44:16
damn that's good yeah okay let's say so is any of that information that they're scraping particularly sensitive well no there's different kinds of data so there's like PPI which is personally
00:44:28
ident or pii personally identifiable information and then pii 2 something like that I forgot everyone's going to
00:44:34
yell at me I know they exist but I think it's that first kind of data that is not
00:44:39
exactly like your Social Security and everything like that right it's just regular data where you live what time
00:44:44
are you watching these things do you are you home all day do you work from home that kind of stuff yeah cuz I think
00:44:49
about like sensitive data I think about like what I buy what I what I spend money on my tax like the where I live
00:44:56
and things like that and uh obviously that stuff like a browser would know or like a someone you buy a product from
00:45:02
would know but the TV it's like I don't really mind if anyone knows how much TV I watch or where or how much it's on or any of that stuff well it's not exactly
00:45:14
it's not I think the crazy part is that because of your habits of like because of your viewing habits then they're able
00:45:21
to infer other things that you may care about that is really interesting yeah also they'll know like what services you
00:45:28
subscribe to they'll know how you use them and I think yeah they can use that to infer a lot of purchasing data and
00:45:35
then also don't remember uh don't forget um you get served ads on uh on these platforms um and that I think is the big reason that uh yeah you know yeah I S
00:45:48
off I was to say it's kind of an interesting point to think about in any types of like scraping data is like
00:45:55
there are plenty of people is like I don't really give a damn about what it is cuz a lot of it's marketing or or
00:46:01
whatever and there are people who don't care as much and there's people who care more I mean the Reddit stuff and like
00:46:07
scraping it for AI is like I don't really care as much about what I post on there it's just more of like they're
00:46:13
screwing the people over and like making a bunch of money off of it but like yeah it's very clearly this stuff is there
00:46:20
scraping your data and that's how everyone's making money these days pretty much but do you remember the
00:46:25
story of of how Target figured out that the girl was pregnant before her father that was all from just data advertising
00:46:33
stuff arguably Target would know much more sensitive information about you than your TV yeah they did that just off
00:46:40
buying so Target knows where you live target knows when you bought things what you bought your TV knows where you live
00:46:47
yeah for sure they know yeah they could have where I live but they don't know what I bought when I bought it and in
00:46:52
the frequency that I started buying it more they might see see that I didn't skip a certain ad and could maybe think
00:46:58
about that a little more but I just I feel like there's levels to like how important the data is this is a little
00:47:04
bit underneath the one that I am most curious about do you know it would bump up Target's uh ways to scrape data if
00:47:12
they bought a television company and then scraped all the data from that yeah I feel like you just went into the point
00:47:17
of where Walmart was like how do I get more data yeah it's let's buy a TV company so it's it's actually not just
00:47:23
about Walmart getting more data it's about Walmart leveraging that data so Walmart has this platform that doesn't get brought up very much that's called Walmart connect you guys ever heard of
00:47:33
this Noe exactly so Walmart connect is sort of like Spotify for time but teach me a thing it's for Brands who sell things at Walmart so so if you're like a brand or a seller you can go into your
00:47:45
Walmart connect and you can buy placements on the Walmart homepage uh you can buy ads as part of Walmart's ad stuff and soon because Vio has this
00:47:57
whole TV streaming uh ecosystem they'll be able to plug all of those ad spots and all of that demographic data into what they describe as a closed loop
00:48:09
ecosystem that's a big part of the Walmart connect um selling point to sellers is that not only do you give
00:48:15
them money and they Place ads but then they give you also Walmart customer specific feedback which you can then use
00:48:21
to do a stronger campaign and create the closed loop and this is huge because Vio
00:48:27
according to their last shareholder thing had uh 500 advertising Partners um 500 500 advertising Partners which means all of those partners are now partners
00:48:40
with Walmart wow I guess it's kind of similar to like Amazon in a way where if you buy
00:48:48
enough stuff from Amazon they know a lot about you and then if you're an Advertiser who wants to sell something
00:48:54
and you want to get in front of the right people boy does Amazon know how to get it in front of the right people and
00:48:59
Walmart is that big and they kind of have the same system going on where it's like all right yes we have physical
00:49:04
stores but trust me we know a lot about how to get the right product in front of the right people and Vio boy do they
00:49:11
have advertisers that want to get in front of the right people and vice versa they have a bunch of information and we
00:49:16
can use that information so it it checks out MH it makes sense and I think it puts a really cool spin on some of the
00:49:23
stories we've heard over the past year with Amazon and Netflix adding ads to their user experience it's not just so they can make a few bucks sell I mean I'm sure it is so they can make a few
00:49:34
bucks here and there with ad time about the bucks but it's it's about turning into a business that is leveraging your data that is uh doing targeted ads that
00:49:45
is effectively an advertising company it's it's almost like they're taking a page out of Google's book um in a really
00:49:52
interesting who's also a ruthless Advertiser that you never think think about yeah well I think about it well
00:49:58
yeah um but yeah so this story I just thought the story was cool it it it combines a bunch of different weird
00:50:04
things about the time we live in I also just want to say um assuming you're not afraid or freaked out by the data being
00:50:11
collected about you um this is a great time to buy a TV it just it just is like like I I don't know if the the gravy Train's going to keep going and for how long and I'm not saying like go out and
00:50:24
replace your TV we should all be trying harder to make our Electronics last longer but that being said it's just a
00:50:31
great it's a we live in so cheap there's so cheap it's it's it's dope well at least here they are I don't know about in other countries but in the US they're very cheap true I would they're
00:50:43
commoditized to the level of the smartphone yeah probably more so uh speaking of ads we should get to some
00:50:49
after we do the next trivia question you nail it there it is all right all right oh no I've been waiting so for this
00:51:03
moment if you knew you'd only have one opportunity I don't even remember the last question damn okay I got to think all right so we've been talking a lot about Reddit uh data social media Etc
00:51:15
Reddit according to statista has 800 plus million monthly active users oh no he went into statista r that is a lot of
00:51:23
users and a lot of data that they generate and that a lot of smarts but also a lot of data doesn't that make
00:51:30
them like one of the biggest social media Platforms in red has 800 million 800 million monthly active users you're
00:51:38
right Ellis that does make them I knew it I was about to Google it and I was like wait I probably shouldn't Google this that does make them one of the
00:51:44
largest social media apps or uh services in the world but it doesn't even crack the top five no really really 800 million name the top three okay wait
00:51:56
wait wait wait wait how many of them do I have to live in China to use zero no what are they all owned by one company no further
00:52:08
question well we'll be right [Music] back welcome back to the producer Forum podcast with Ellis and official name
00:52:26
official name change official name change trademark uh we have some apple news though yeah this is an entirely well not entirely but a Big Apple section Big Apple section um first Apple
00:52:37
music monthly replay it's like Spotify rewind Spotify wrapped it's like Spotify wrapped but every month too much you think so it's too much I have been listening to pretty much two albums
00:52:50
since the year started I've on this like serious two album kick so it would just tell me how much I listen to those two
00:52:55
albs that's what I'm saying uh which should be kind of interesting but I don't know I could be wrong but
00:53:02
personally my listening habits don't change that much month to month I like the yearly recap because it's a the year
00:53:09
is long my winter mood my summer mood my fall mood I feel like doing it every month I'm just never going to check this like I don't care I'll wait till the end of the year yeah it doesn't I don't know
00:53:21
I mean we saw it also like the Spotify wrapped has a lot of really interesting fun little data and they'll make your like aura or whatever uh this is not
00:53:32
that this is just like you listen to this song for this many minutes um so no complaints no notes I
00:53:40
don't know what what are the two albums you've been listening to this year uh let me let me see while you do that I uh
00:53:46
want to do a quick interjection and that's because uh Adam and I drive home together sometimes carpool save the environment and on our drive home we we've discovered we really really like listening to this radio station in
00:53:58
Jersey City 91.1 WFMU uh so if you live in the Jersey City area or I think the transmission makes it all the way to Brooklyn um so anywhere in in the in the New York the
00:54:11
New York City general area check out 91.1 FM there's like always something good on always we' found so good um but the two albums I've been listening to
00:54:21
and uh I'm the host I can talk about whatever I want this week oh let's go I've been listening to Andy schoffs Norm
00:54:28
terrific album and I've been listening to the compilation of mon live at montro jazz festival Nina Simone you would record both terrific I don't need to know how much I've listened to it though
00:54:40
what about you I've been doing insano by Kid Cy insano ins great album and creatures of habit by kilo which is a
00:54:48
random Indie band cool cool you guys want to shout out some music D pun no but I'm open I'm opening up my uh Replay for February right now oh oh yeah Walmart CU I should say you use apple
00:54:59
music not much oh okay so that's funny I only use it in Vision Pro so it's going to be real limited and you're you're looking at this Replay in the Apple music app right uh it brings
00:55:11
you to a website and then kicks you out to the web app exactly yes for some reason Apple music replay can only be
00:55:17
looked at in a browser don't know why wait is Spotify WAP the same no it is on phone right no it's yeah it's you can do it in in the desktop and the mobile app but I don't yeah that's the thing they
00:55:28
just only do it in the browser which is fine Marquez what were you listening to in division Pro so I I get to the part
00:55:35
where it says uh this is your replay jump in so I click jump in and it's like your replay is still in progress check back in early March oh that's for February it doesn't give you a January
00:55:46
one I think there is a January it say you didn't listen to anything I didn't listen okay wow well big let down yeah
00:55:55
in other Apple news there's an apple Sports app now literally got launched this morning yeah and it's basically just a like score aggregator
00:56:08
is what it seems like but and this is one thing we were talking about like in before we were recording um if you open
00:56:15
up the app actually let me open up right now just to make sure so I don't get this wrong but if you open up the app it
00:56:20
gives you the game that's upcoming so and if you click that game the very first thing is betting odds on the game
00:56:29
oh no stats no stats about players or anything like that just betting odds which is doesn't even have stats no it
00:56:36
does if you like click into it but it's more like the first thing it gives you is the betting odds which I found very
00:56:42
interesting look if you Sports if you if you daily fantasy or whatever the kids are calling it these days like no shade
00:56:49
you know what I mean I get it it's fun but it's also like apple what are you going to do porn next
00:56:55
like like this is like the least Apple thing I've ever that's more what interested me it's very unapp likee to
00:57:01
me to be like cuz that is like for adults bedding is for adults it's like and apple is positioning itself always to be like safe for your kids like their whole iPad thing turn off the screen and
00:57:12
everything and now it's just like nope here's some betting odds this is unsavory but anyway besides that the app
00:57:18
looks pretty cool no it does I'm excited I'm excited to not have to Google Philadelphia 76ers three times a yeah
00:57:26
exactly I know I know Andrew yeah so I signed up for the MLS uh Apple TV thing that they had and I actually was really impressed with how they do the scoring and everything like
00:57:40
it pops up on the dynamic Island you can watch it there it's all really cool it also does that with uh other teams that
00:57:46
I follow so like with Nicks Sometimes it'll just pop up on the screen and I'll not even know there was a Nick game that
00:57:51
day and I'll be able to like keep up with the score one thing that I mean first of all I should clarify this is
00:57:57
only available in the US the UK and Canada which why I I don't know it's unfortunate but we are in the US so I
00:58:05
can talk about it um it doesn't have as in-depth stats as something like uh I don't know how to pronounce this fot mob F what mob yeah it's an app that
00:58:15
specifically has crazy stats for soccer or football in the rest of the world um it's actually the Apple Sports Little D Island thing is faster than my TV like a
00:58:27
couple weeks ago we were watching an Arsenal game shout out Arsenal um and the I we're watching the game Jess is
00:58:33
sitting next to me and on my phone I see Saka scored Saka is like a good player and I was like oh and Jess is looking like what what what happened and she's like looking at the TV and nothing happened yet and it was a full like 11
00:58:46
seconds before he scored which is crazy so I have to like literally put my phone upside down when we're watching the game
00:58:51
because otherwise it'll it'll be spoiled okay I'm on F mob right right now and you are not kidding bro oh yeah it's
00:58:58
crazy this is crazy I have never heard of a stat XG On Target and then in FRS the's X got I don't know what that means
00:59:05
you know what this reminds me of what the what you said earlier about how the this is going to take away from the like
00:59:12
the number of times you Google who's winning or what's happening in a game it reminds me of Apple's weather app which
00:59:18
is it's not as detailed as the most detailed weather apps but boy does this take away a lot of Google searches yeah
00:59:26
sure like if I just add my top three favorite teams I Google the scores a lot who's
00:59:32
winning the game who won the game last night who they play next when did they play this team a lot of Google search it's all just there now something to
00:59:38
keep in mind yeah it's really smart so some of the sports that they have currently are MLS uh NBA NCAA basketball
00:59:45
men's and women's NHL Bundesliga La Liga Liga MX Liga 1 premier league Seri a all
00:59:52
the soccer ones well I shouldn't say all the soccer ones all a lot of the soccer ones wow you mean Football H yes
00:59:58
football sorry excuse me the football there's also more leagues that are coming wait there's not even football uh
01:00:05
because the seasons the well that is a good question are they going to add football next season supposedly they're
01:00:10
going to add it so the ones that where the season is over they're it's not included in the press release but it's upcoming when the season starts again so
01:00:18
WNBA uh MLB NFL those are coming word yeah so pretty cool overall like I just found it again very interesting that the betting odds was the first thing you see Wild D I'm not happy about that but you
01:00:30
know I don't get to desde the world we live in and uh that is what it is I'm just like why are they getting a kickback from that do they get any money from Bing apps doing great why have that
01:00:42
at the top is it just one more Google search they can take away also I didn't realize that the odds were like the same
01:00:47
for all the books I would assume different bookies set different odds but I've never placed
01:00:53
a sports bet so I I don't even if you like click the odds does it take you to whoever's odds they are or like is it
01:00:59
just Vegas odds it actually just reaches into your pocket and tast your wallet it
01:01:04
does not say cuz if it was specifically someone I would say they're making advertising dollars off of that's fair
01:01:10
whatever it doesn't say if I click it nothing happens yeah ladies if your boyfriend Sports bets ask him if he has
01:01:18
restrictions cuz if you win a lot in those apps they put restrictions on your account they kick you off if he says no
01:01:24
I've never been restricted he's losing your money shout out buddy heeled my guy's played four games for my Sixers he's averaging 23 points yeah this is now a basketball podcast this is
01:01:37
now a basketball podcast psych Adam Adam ask who has him on the fantasy team you got buddy heeled who's got buddy heeled
01:01:43
on the fantasy team Marquez let me just check Marquez just picked him up as Ellis was saying you see what that says
01:01:50
be healed no games no games today it's Allstar break oh okay but uh I do in fact have buddy healed yeah what what place are you in
01:02:02
in our fantasy league Marquez top two but not one top two top two I'm half a point behind Alex you're sorting wrong that's no that's I you're
01:02:13
sorting wrong I'm right behind Alex okay but this is not totally a basketball podcast because last week we did not get the chance to talk about the stupid
01:02:25
regular host somehow forgot to talk about open AI Sora so we're going to clean up the mess they left for us um
01:02:34
wait till you see the mess of this producers table what we're done lights falling
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now um open AI Sora it's a text video uh AI yeah um just want to say uh like all
01:02:48
the coverage I was reading about this were like yo like this is the first market like this is here Runway has had
01:02:55
text a video for a while you and Brandon always talk about Runway what we don't just talk about we use it we use it
01:03:01
professionally specifically like it has this feature it's it looks more diffusion you know than the examples that that uh yeah it look looks a little
01:03:15
more spaghetti e but um no it's like it's much more of like well first let's talk about okay yeah the the
01:03:22
announcement so on open AI website they made this announcement for this new thing called sora they are still red
01:03:29
teing it which I think means they're trying to have people do bad things with it so it's like a security term yeah again we're not Security Guys as you could tell from our cryptography Quantum
01:03:40
Computing segment here before I was almost killed by a um but it looks really good and the cool things that
01:03:47
they're sort of like pushing forward as big features and these are things that I have found Runway to sort of struggle
01:03:53
with mhm custom resolution um so you're not just locked into like 720 or 1080 or 4K you can do lots of weird resolutions which sounds
01:04:05
small but when it comes to machine learning as big like I I use this software called touchd designer which has some AI Integrations and I remember
01:04:13
reading this whole thing about this uh facial recognition facial tracking AI that someone built for it wouldn't work
01:04:19
if you used a vertical webcam feed same exact thing but as soon as changed it from a a horizontal to Vertical thing it just broke but so yeah uh custom aspect ratios custom resolutions uh it can do
01:04:32
multiple figures and subjects really well um interesting so it seems like it's pretty cool the part that I found really cool was in the sort of like Tech paper thing that they published
01:04:45
alongside and that was that um they already have GPT which we know is a Transformer model and they already have Dolly which is
01:04:56
uh okay I'm getting I'm getting a note for my producers here folks live live coming in breaking news Will Smith
01:05:02
eating spaghetti I'm assuming we're going to cut to that clip right here I I guess so um does he make a sound in that
01:05:10
video oh yeah does he boy well it also came back because he did like a post recreating it in person yeah Will Smith yeah seeed a video that said AI then AI
01:05:23
now and it's just him redoing all of the scenes and he like unhinges his jaw like a snake in the video right well no it's
01:05:29
the updated AI that doesn't unhinge the jaw it's not actually violently eating yeah okay I got to watch this it's just as crazy as you're imagining but it's awesome um that's a that's a win for
01:05:41
Will Smith and his team I think right there there's a lot happening in his life and everything but that was
01:05:46
genius but it's interesting so so GPT is a Transformer model that's what the T stands for Dolly is a diffusion model
01:05:53
I'm pretty pretty sure that's what the D in Dolly stands for someone should double check that for me um but uh
01:06:00
they're saying that Sora is a uh diffusion Transformer or a transforming diffuser it's like some combination of the two oh interes which is interesting right and and it took me a little bit to
01:06:14
get it but the gist of it is that Transformers are really good at sequential understanding and they can do this across really long sequences and that's why chat gbt can write you five
01:06:26
paragraphs and the fifth paragraph still is related to the first paragraph Okay language tends to work SE sequentially
01:06:34
um images do not work sequentially they can have sequential elements in them but
01:06:39
they don't work sequentially and that's why we use diffusion models uh for a lot of image Generation stuff diffusion
01:06:45
models are really good at understanding spatial relationships and building these sort of complex relationship networks
01:06:52
where there's no there's not a linear sequence to it but there is still a connection of
01:06:58
ideas a video is a bunch of images that don't have these sequential relationships but then the the images are arranged sequentially so to generate a video from
01:07:11
nothing you actually need to deploy both kinds of models uh in tandem with one another and there's a bunch of really interesting stuff about how um the sort of like token system that a lot of
01:07:22
Transformers use does exactly work for video you got to use these sort of temporal tokens called patches it's
01:07:28
really interesting I recommend and this sounds silly but this is actually what I did reading the open AI paper with chat
01:07:37
GPT in another window so you can get clarification on stuff that's like a little too hard to understand that's
01:07:42
awesome um but did it lie to you I I hope not I hope not it seemed like everything that I was reading was I could sort of uh fact check I found this cool guy's blog it's jonno not it's jono
01:07:54
with an h j o.com just some random dudes not our Jon not our jono Jon I mean unless jonno is
01:08:01
like secretly an AI wizard um but the thing that I'm really excited for with Sora is if they're able to develop like
01:08:10
a platform for it in the same way that Runway does cuz the runway tool you have like text to video you also have image to video you also have video to video
01:08:22
and the video to video is like really cool like the example they have on their website which I think illustrates really well is someone set up a bunch of books
01:08:29
standing up on a desk and then using and then filmed a shot and then using Runway
01:08:35
was able to turn those books into skyscrapers and have it be like a city fly through scene interesting um then
01:08:41
they also deploy the runway models to do things like automatic uh background removal if you've seen the Ellis versus AI video the scene where like my hair is
01:08:53
getting blown back and stuff that I we didn't use a green screen it was just shot in a normal room oh I was there and
01:08:59
then we aied yeah aied the background out we sprayed water on your face yeah so I if Sora is actually all that and as
01:09:08
good as opening I wants us to think I can't wait to see the platform that it is wrapped in thank you for letting me talk about that for 15 minutes straight America let's go quick
01:09:20
fact checked dolly is not an acronym acon we've definitely talked about this before it's just the combination of Salvador doly and wall damn nice well I
01:09:31
will say Andrew now that you're back in the Pod talking um you mentioned the other day something really good that now
01:09:37
I see in every like Sora video which is the King on like random movements so like if you watch a video it the camera will just like drift to the right and then out of nowhere just like really
01:09:50
hard start drifting to the left it's like they haven't learned how to ease in and out yet which is interesting yeah it
01:09:55
felt like there was one specifically with a turtle and it was kind of like panning on this turtle and then just
01:10:01
kind of like went left it looks like anyone who's ever video edited before the first time they add key frame
01:10:06
movements to something where there's not the smoothing it's just like left left left left right right right right and
01:10:12
like there's it's almost smooth but not smooth at the same time I don't know if you're into if you know key frames you
01:10:18
would see it in a second it's just very interesting because some of these demos are insane like it really replicates
01:10:24
hand movement of like cameras that are holding or people holding cameras and the little jittery things that you get
01:10:29
but then like that one motion it just really messes up every time I I watched every single thing I could find generated by Sora and did you like you should do a video on this yeah you think
01:10:41
no I I showed a bunch of them in the video that we made but it is remarkable how good it's gotten so quickly and how
01:10:49
how well it is able to reproduce the parts of video videos that you can ask for like some of the prompts are like make this look like 35mm film make this look like uh cartoonish or hyper super
01:11:01
realistic and it does that stuff too which is yeah crazy and it does make me wonder cuz now there's a meme of people tweeting real videos with made by prompt
01:11:14
of like handsome man walks down Broadway and it's just a video of themselves and it's like made by Sora but it looks like
01:11:20
you but now it's like how many these videos really could just cross Twitter timeline or Instagram timeline and just look like a real video and you wouldn't
01:11:26
know unless you watch it a third time or a fourth time upon which it becomes very obvious when you see the things like the
01:11:33
keying or like the legs overlapping or the hands turning into seven or 12 fingers or whatever but it's really
01:11:41
fast like M cheda oh no oh no Mr cheda was this thing that spread around Twitter it's it's this it's really hilarious it's a picture of a rat and wearing like a
01:11:54
tuxedo jacket I think with his arms he's standing on some carpet he's rat sized and he's holding out his arms like this
01:12:00
if you just Google M aeda I already put in the come this not the first time we've looked at this on the podcast also
01:12:06
oh yeah know we've talked about Mr cheda before but no it it it no one knew it was a mid-journey image until like
01:12:11
months after it like like not that obviously it's not a real rat you know yeah I feel like everything is
01:12:18
believable where if it just crossed your timeline But the A lot of times they give away is fingers in the of these
01:12:23
videos it felt like the giveaway was like real world physics it didn't quite get like there was the one of the
01:12:30
birthday cake where candles are blowing in different directions which didn't make sense and there
01:12:35
turbulence inside your house and there's another one of the cat in the bed with the person and the bed comes or the like blanket quilt comes from like behind her
01:12:46
and just like flops over top of her with absolutely no movement it's just like the way it moves is just totally wrong
01:12:53
you know doesn't have it doesn't have conservation of mass yeah like like the if you watch the
01:12:59
iconic one everyone shared of the lady walking down the street in Tokyo walking watch her legs they like merge and blend
01:13:05
into each other over and over again and just swap back and forth I don't know if you notice that like that that dance
01:13:11
move with your knees except except her right leg Becomes Her left leg interes and then swaps back like the like you said with the hands like people will clap and the hands will just merge into
01:13:22
one hand and then split back into two hands like that is weird the blanket will like become more blanket and less
01:13:28
blanket and it looks physically realistic but like also mask come from and why is it moving weird stuff like
01:13:35
that it is weird am I the only one that's like terrified of this oh you too I make videos so I'm pretty worried I'm terrified but I feel like I've gotten
01:13:47
enough mileage out of the runway platform and it's helped me do work work enough that I'm feeling excited but you're not also trying to
01:13:58
like de establish a government or something you know not that you know not that I know not to my knowledge it has
01:14:05
looking at you Belgium no we've talked about how the the vid the photo making tools have gotten to the point where we
01:14:11
can use them as a tool so it's like oh it's not good enough to replace me great but it is good enough to be used as a
01:14:17
brainstorming tool or even like a rough draft tool for me and even to the point where like I said this in the video the
01:14:24
the Drone shot of Big Sir or whatever it was I think that's good enough for I think a lot of people looking for like Li footage who are going to buy a drone shot of Big Sir like there's enough high
01:14:35
resolution video of drone shots of Big Sir that AI just made another one for you and you don't have to now hire that
01:14:42
drone pilot to make your own or pay that license fee to get that footage that already exists just for your you know
01:14:48
internal PowerPoint or whatever you're doing damn Samsung was ahe of the game with their moon photos
01:14:53
what what what do we think uses more electricity a drone flying into the sky over big sir and capturing or the server farm that would generate okay a video
01:15:07
have you ever flown a DJI drones those batteries clarifying go crazy how did the Drone pilot get to the spot to take off o is his car electric did he take a
01:15:19
plane did he fly to get there yeah no he's a mountain man he crawled there he he never leaves he's
01:15:26
always there yeah yeah I don't know this thing just kind of like it's really cool but like the first thing when you were
01:15:33
playing it for me when I walked in that morning you were like oh look at these like new videos that dropped or whatever
01:15:38
I did not realize they were AI at all I I just thought you were watching videos and like some of them again if you really look like there's one with a guy reading a book remember you showed me that one and like at one point the page
01:15:49
just kind of like flips up like one of those yellow notepad books but he's holding holding like a novel so it's like the page wouldn't turn that way so
01:15:56
that's like a tell but at first that was like 13 seconds into the video there's a solid like nine seconds of just a dude
01:16:03
reading a book and I didn't think anything of it and when I think about tech like Tech theoretically with people
01:16:08
working on it gets better and better and better which means that the tell for us right now which is oh did you catch that
01:16:14
with the hands or the legs or the book page the Tells are going to get smaller and smaller and smaller mhm
01:16:20
theoretically right one would until it's completely indistinguishable from reality right which then what what
01:16:26
happens which then you look around and you're like what about this one is this no are we in an AI did
01:16:33
Vision Pro get that good that fast yeah Ellis Ren's in this one so missed the ched up oh no uh anyway I think that's about that
01:16:46
about wraps it up right that about wraps it up thank you guys for sticking with us I think that's it that's all we have to do right we don't have anything else
01:16:52
to do I said all right bye see you uh no no no no no no no no no no we have the thing H the
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thing okay oh my God I get to R gra your pens as well your markers also country of Belgium I am not planning your demise I
01:17:09
I'm sorry sounds like what you would say if you were planning on no no no no I love I love Belgium the antp zoo a place
01:17:15
I've never been I've heard it's great I was just going to say have you ever been to Belgium n it's awesome I'm sure I would love it you would love it yeah is
01:17:22
dope waffles antor uh Brussels yeah lots to love about brout Flemish great language anyway sounds like you're trying to think about the trivia questions a little harder before we
01:17:36
Belgium there yeah speaking of Belgium just kidding all right are you ready first question so ready okay you've got the music for me yeah is it
01:17:50
that one oh yeah it is that one Marcus is way better that's all right we talked about Garmin before they were named after the two co-founders Gary Burell and Min cow but they started in 1989
01:18:03
selling a $2,500 GPS device under a different name that combines two words what is that name put timing on the music there thank
01:18:15
you I just realized how hard it is to think and talk at the same time now I know why you guys get so quiet two different
01:18:21
words I want the name of the company yeah yeah yeah I'm writing it down should do a
01:18:29
score update hold on I'll potentially give you a hint here in case I did that it is the abbreviate the two the
01:18:36
abbreviation of two words it's not two full words no no no I figured that I got it pencil's up pencil's up stop Shing
01:18:43
Andrew was talking it's cool okay boys there it is what' we say I wrote Global mapping or or GM I put lowu track like location
01:18:59
tracking what is it satisfying pronav pronav oh dang I've heard of that that Su a pro professional or navigation or Navigator yeah I guess damn I tried to make it
01:19:13
that isable to think of I kep mentioning the GPS device to try and think of navigation maybe yeah damn okay that was a good one price is right rules my
01:19:25
turn we're only playing [Laughter] Delta all right well you still have a chance to get on scoreboard no worries this is the tough one but this is a fun one I think you I think you have a
01:19:37
chance at this one so on the subject of social media Reddit data Reddit has 800 plus million monthly active users as of January 2023 today that doesn't even
01:19:50
crack the top five social media websites by monthly active users name the top three uh oh top three top three do we have to name them in order want to say
01:20:01
okay again Marquez is just naturally good at everything that we do and it's really annoying sometimes he is come
01:20:08
into this producer role perfectly while I'm just here slugging along hoping to not get
01:20:14
drowned uh okay can we get one point per app sure wait do they have to do they have to be in order yeah okay do they have to be in order they do
01:20:26
not have to be in order they do have order okay I only got two can we get another yeah extra points if they're in
01:20:32
order oh okay okay you already wrote three things yeah so I'll give you one point per correct answer all right and a fourth bonus point if you have them in order oh that's four points I can take
01:20:44
the lead here top three you could most used social media apps by monthly active users sorry I'll give you a fifth point if you name all of them of the top five
01:20:55
all of top five wait you asked for top five I asked for top three yeah one point for correct answer five fifth
01:21:01
point if you name all of them all of what all every social media that social Med all right we good yeah I think so all right flip them flip them and read
01:21:13
them all right I wrote one Facebook two WhatsApp three Instagram yeah no W in order very very
01:21:26
very close wow but unfortunately you named well I'll let Ellis go first I put one Facebook two WhatsApp three Tik
01:21:38
Tock damn so here's the catch mhm there's a tie for third and Adam you named both of the ones in a tie for third oh I'm going to give you credit for naming the top three even though
01:21:51
that was technically 3 a and 3B okay wait what he only named three apps he named three yeah so I miss number two he
01:21:57
named number one Facebook mhm 3 billion monthly active users you named number three WhatsApp two billion monthly active users and you named number three
01:22:09
Instagram number two what you both missed is YouTube damn get out of here that is you
01:22:16
can't even send a DM on that website oh no no where's where's Tik Tok Tik Tok here I'll pull up statista since I mean I feel like we all love the numbers of this Tik Tok is right behind
01:22:30
Instagram 1.6 oh so no no no so you have to convince me YouTube's not social media you can't can't send a DM Marquez Marquez Marquez how many Marquez Marquez Marquez how many
01:22:43
followers how many subscribers do you have on YouTube almost 19 million correct how many how much engagement do
01:22:49
you get when you make a community post depends but about 1% doesn't sound like a social media site to me how many how many followers do you have on Twitter and how much engagement do you get when
01:23:00
you post to them uh it depends on the post but I have I well hold on let's let's go to my Twitter now damn I've gone viral sure
01:23:12
[Laughter] same list really fun like obviously Facebook's huge YouTube's second WhatsApp and Instagram are both owned by
01:23:23
meta as well then you have Tik Tok and then you have a bunch of messaging apps WeChat Facebook Messenger telegram Dian
01:23:30
is the one from China Snapchat X is on there QQ is on there Pinterest is on there yeah I was a little nervous if we were going to include messaging apps on this list so I'm glad a good call if you go actually into YouTube analytics and
01:23:42
you sort external video traffic by social media websites often the number one driving external uh website to an
01:23:50
MKBHD video is people messaging each other on WhatsApp they send the videos to each other and that gets tracked by
01:23:56
YouTube which now has bulleted lists and numbered lists andt text so man I don't think YouTube
01:24:03
is a freaking I also don't think I don't think the like messaging apps feel like social media either but a weird kind of
01:24:10
thing also seeing Twitter getting dumped on by Snapchat is really funny to me for
01:24:17
some reason people still use Snapchat people still use Twitter I do not as many no I love Twitter still some of the ratios are crazy sorry we're
01:24:29
diving off the deep end but like would you have thought like Tik tok's huge right yeah would you have thought that I
01:24:36
don't know telegram is half of the size of Tik Tok that seems gigantic no but I also wouldn't consider it a social media app would you have thought WhatsApp is 50% more people than Tik Tok yes that
01:24:50
that one checks out to me Tik tok's global no so is what'sapp isn't it well Tik tok's not in China no yeah it is
01:24:56
they just have a different version no it's called do you China is separate and if I includ
01:25:02
separate if I include it it's number two right but it's separate from Tik Tok CU
01:25:07
Tik Tok proper is the one that's not in China well and I think I think Duan has lots of like rules and restrictions that
01:25:12
aren't on Tik Tok yeah we learned you have thought that Twitter Twitter which is very unpopular and less than Snapchat is
01:25:23
Al a third of Tik Tok damn really that's pretty huge I would have thought that yeah would you
01:25:29
have thought that Pinterest is 75% of Twitter oh I'm sorry what's Twitter I I would have assumed Pinterest is bigger than Twitter yeah that's what I would to I'm still people love Pinterest bro
01:25:41
Pinterest is crazy a single celebrity on Pinterest I'm not on Pinterest so I can't but I guarantee you like when if
01:25:47
palro has like a crazy Popp in Pinterest or something like that when when Pinterest used to be big I remember it
01:25:54
just being the one social media site I could never understand I don't know why and it wasn't from lack of trying I
01:26:00
tried on that website a bunch of times and I just don't know why I couldn't figure it out yeah well I still can't
01:26:06
believe that there are 800 million redditors when they say lay Reddit army they are not kidding yeah and Reddit doesn't get listed as a social media site by Satia so IUD that from Red its
01:26:18
own numbers why is YouTube a social media site and I'm done I'm done waveform is produced
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