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yo what's up boy for Marquez here back
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with another pre- podcast intro which I
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think you already know where this is
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going uh so I'm actually out here in a
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hotel room this time I'm coming at you
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from uh the 21st floor in Las Vegas for
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a certain Formula 1 race that's maybe
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happening as you're tuning into this for
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the first time which is super cool we
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might be working on something around
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this too wink wink either way this
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podcast episode you're about to watch
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was recorded again on a Wednesday which
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means that it was right before we
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started to fly out on Thursday and as
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we're in the air Apple drops the news
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kind of a surprising news that they will
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be supporting RCS on the iPhone in 2024
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next year we didn't expect this and
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shocker I think we actually talk about
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it on the podcast how we don't expect
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this to happen anytime soon but now you
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know this was recorded a little bit
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before that news dropped but it is
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really interesting this doesn't
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necessarily solve the blue bubble versus
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green bubble thing that we've talked
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about so much apple will still clearly
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prioritize iMessage alongside
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RCS maybe they'll change the color of
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green bubbles I don't know but what this
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does mean is uh you can expect when this
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finally launches next year texting
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between an iPhone and an Android phone
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to be better it will work over the
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Internet with RCS it will have typing
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indicators it should have read receipts
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it should have all this new stuff and I
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think most importantly photos and videos
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won't look like they're from VHS it will
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actually be high resolution files
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instead of blurry grainy pixelated
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messes so all that is coming we didn't
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know that as we recorded this episode so
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what you're about to watch is us talking
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without that information but figured I'd
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chime in before the episode that's about
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it for now okay see you on the other
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side
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[Music]
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peace yo what is up people of the
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internet welcome back to another episode
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of the way for podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez 15% of my diet is chalula
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and I'm David and that was the Soundbar
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actually Andrew is not actually here
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yeah I mean yes his diet is mostly
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chalula but he's he's out uh teaching a
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little one the ways of the chilula I
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don't know he's a dad he's a dad now so
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he's got to go do dad things and that uh
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has rightfully meant that he's not here
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today totally fine so now we've done
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like the whole Trifecta where like you
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and Andrew hosted one without me and
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then I think me and Andrew hosted one
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and had trivia questions about you while
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you weren't here and now it's me and you
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so we probably should have Andrew
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related trivia questions which would be
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hilarious yeah anyway uh lot to talk
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about this week we've got a a whole
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assortment of just sort of uh random but
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All Tech related things yeah that I have
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thoughts on we all have thoughts on yeah
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we should start um by mentioning that
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this is not the first episode of the
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week right yeah we had a bonus episode
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uh S engine mod and the death of the
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Android ROM long form bonus podcast
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episode went live on Wednesday if you
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thought that it was Friday on Wednesday
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it was not it was Wednesday but now it's
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Friday which is a benefit to you so go
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watch that you haven't already very fun
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episode it's great The Nostalgia was so
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strong that one I enjoyed it a lot yeah
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um but first
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yeah oh
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boy we
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got audio listeners David is reaching
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under the table oh my God this is so
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heavy and picking up a briefcase the LG
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standby me go briefcase monitor that
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we've been talking about for months it's
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finally here um
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Jesus is this a gigantic display I mean
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it's not a huge computer monitor but
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just to have in your
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briefcase uh yeah this is a tough one
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for audio listeners but I think I have a
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description yeah it's sort of like a
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briefcase which inside contains a jumbo
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sized like Google tablet home thing it's
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27 in but it's made out of the same
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plastic that airplane cabins are made
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out
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of
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yes now it's vertical now it's vertical
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you can watch Tik toks free form free
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standing you can play chess it's a touch
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screen yeah does it have a battery in it
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it does it's currently on battery power
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now yeah it's on battery power right now
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it lasts about 3 hours how much does it
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weigh 30 pounds it's really that's 75%
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of the scooter it's very heavy 75% of
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Ender diet is chalula but 70% of uh my
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strength goes to trying to hold this
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thing I think that scooter reference
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would go over a lot of people's heads
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unless they seen the short but we also
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have a briefcase scooter oh yeah at the
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studio the Honda um Moto compacto yeah
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so briefcase display briefcase Tech
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briefcase scooter we're off to a hot
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start yeah we're off to a hot start uh
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this this is just a thing that we
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figured we'd show you guys that we have
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yeah when did everyone get together and
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decide that briefcase was the next form
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factor for techology I'm all for it dude
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I don't know I don't know about you what
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other things would work in a briefcase
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this should by the way there's enough
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room for like a computer in there in
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there behind the display but it's just
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display stand speakers batter and
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Battery big battery probably interesting
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yeah yeah so glad we got that in so that
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exists so that exists anyway we have
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real news coming up another thing that
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exists yeah is uh this happened right
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after we recorded the last episode this
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Humane AI pin yes it's finally been
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unveiled and described and and priced we
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we know what it is now yeah uh so let's
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let's talk about it I I have some
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thoughts I'm not really sure how many of
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my thoughts will
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be nice but we'll see we'll see how far
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we get so okay we we didn't know how
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much it would be we didn't know what it
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would be but we knew chat we knew Humane
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AI was going to do some AI related
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product and we'd seen these teasers this
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like Paris Fashion Week teaser of them
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wearing this pin this projector that
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projects something on your hand like
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what's it what it exactly is it is the
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post smartphone Gadget the first time
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what do we what do we think this thing
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is so now it comes out it's a Vimeo it's
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a 15minute vimeo video whatever it is so
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it's the two Founders explaining what
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the product is I'm want to put aside the
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lack of uh on camera presence because
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not everybody has it it's just you know
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not everybody has it a lot of other
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companies have really cringy
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presentations but they gave us a
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$699 pin with a $24 a month subscription
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service which gets you a couple things
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T-Mobile service uh title subscription a
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couple other things also also $7.99 for
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certain colors sorry that's right $699
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for the base pin but if you want the
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white one or if you want a certain com
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combo of I guess it's like like silver
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or uh Chrome and black chrome and black
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which by the way chrom on technology is
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just a terrible idea yeah but that
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that's an extra set that's an extra $100
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jeez uh it's got a 13 megapixel camera
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that faces forward uh it's got a battery
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inside it's got a microphone inside and
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it basically has a large enough speaker
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and enough storage and processing power
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to run a local AI model primarily
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powered by chat GPT 4 and uh that's
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basically what you are mostly
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interacting with when using SL wearing
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this pin yeah and then there's a
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projector on the front where if you hold
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your hand up this is going to be weird
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again for audio listeners but you hold
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your hand up right in front of your
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chest it will project that UI onto your
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hand and then you can interact with the
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projection so by moving your hand
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closing and opening your hand you're
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selecting things and scrolling through
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things that's the basic premise yeah
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it's an AI assistant that you wear and
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interact with and pay constantly for
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yeah yeah so the way that they the way
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you actually like charge it is that and
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that you wear it they call it the
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Perpetual power system which stands for
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a magnet that has a battery in it yeah
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you get kind of clever with this yeah
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it's kind of the same way how you see
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like earbuds are like oh this has a 40h
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hour battery life but obviously you
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can't wear them for 40 hours straight
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it's actually that the battery in the
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earbuds is 4 hours and when you put them
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back in the case you can charge them
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back up and use them for four four more
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hours and put them back but you also
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with this AI pin I guess you don't want
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to take it off yeah uh so you have some
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way of charging it while you're wearing
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it yeah that's how it gets that's how it
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goes on your clothing in the first place
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is that uses a magnet between your
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clothes um but that magnet also
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wirelessly charges the device cool so
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and more power yeah clever um it's
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basically like a AI system that is rting
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you to other AIS that's sort of how
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they're they're describing it um you
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interact with it with natural language
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and with like tapping and stuff and then
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depending on your query it will route
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you to the right AI platform to do
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various things uh in their
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presentation they got a lot of things
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incorrect because of the hallucinate
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hallucination problem with
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AIS so they both um held out a small
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handful of almonds and asked how much
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protein was in the almonds and it uses
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the camera because it can use the camera
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to like look at things around you it can
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use the speakers to listen to things
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around you and it's supposed to be able
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to analyze all this information it
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looked at like five almonds that was in
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this guy's hand and it said there were
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15 grams of protein in it J and then it
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added it to this like I don't know this
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daily protein log that you can access
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via web app there's this weird there's a
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web portal there's a web portal
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interface that you can use to access all
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your Humane information and for some
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reason they want you to track all of the
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food that you eat by like taking photos
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of it and it's supposed to analyze that
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and then put that information into this
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web portal mhm uh anyway a small handful
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of almonds does not have 15 Gams of
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protein that would be sick if it did
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though I would love that it has like two
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grams of protein um and a lot of people
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are going online being like that is
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completely incorrect um and I think the
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the GPT was basically accessing the data
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of how much a cup of almonds would have
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something like that uh the other thing
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is he asked it when the next total solar
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eclipse was going to be and where the
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best place to watch it would be and he
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said it would be in April and the best
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place to watch it was Australia a lot of
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people came out being like no you
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actually can't even see it in Australia
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you can only see it in North
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America so yeah because these large
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language models are sort of just pred
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predicting the next most like likely
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word um you're not always going to get
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accurate information
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and if you are using a device that has
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no screen and that you're just supposed
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to be using ambiently like getting
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incorrect information like all the time
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is probably not the best not great yeah
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I guess now that I've seen the
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announcement I was we were kind of
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wondering what it would be but now that
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we've seen it I feel like I have two
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main thoughts on itain human two main
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two main Humane thoughts two main Humane
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thoughts one is you know I see the
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videos but I haven't tried it and this
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gadget has the potential to be a really
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big or really small gap between how I
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think it's going to go and how it could
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actually go totally like I I am watching
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these videos I'm like this does not seem
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great like I don't believe that a
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projector onto my hand is going to be
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great UI is it going to track my hand
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around when I move or do I have to have
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my hand in the perfect place is it going
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to Sag on my clothes because the weight
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of the pin and the computer and the
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battery is too much and the material do
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I have to put my hand in a certain spot
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when I'm outside and it's sunny is that
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going to even show up on my hand at all
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uh if my skin color on my hand is
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different from normal is that going to
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work if I don't have a hand how's
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accessibility for that all those
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questions are real and then the actual
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interacting with the the AI thing like I
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want it to be cool but I just I have my
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doubts so this could turn out to be just
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as bad as I think or it could totally
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blow my mind yeah my other thought is if
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you zoom out a
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lot I think the idea
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of an AI assistant that you kind of just
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ambiently have around you is is a cool
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idea and I wonder if we're going to feel
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like this is something that's ahead of
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its time because the tech just isn't
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good enough to accomplish that yet but
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if you think about it you already sort
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of have an AI assistant around you in
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like your Apple watch or Siri and your
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headphones I guess I just mean the
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natural way of interacting with an
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invisible assistant like we have the r
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the ray band smart glasses which have a
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language model in them and there's a
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camera on the front of them they kind of
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have this similar potential where it's
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like I'm just walking around looking
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like a normal person and to an invisible
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person I will just ask my assistant how
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to fix the broken sink in front of me
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right and it will tell me how to fix it
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yeah because it's a smart invisible
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assistant that nobody else has access to
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but it's personalized to me that's sick
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if it works but the tech is so young
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that right now it kind of doesn't work
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and I feel like this pin is the same way
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where like the idea I love the idea of
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like having a plate of food in front of
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me and being like log my macros and it
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just does it like I've wanted to log
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macros even in an app manually for years
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and it sucks like my fitness palu it's
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horrible every if your food doesn't have
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a barcode like good luck yeah so the
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idea of just having it intelligently
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look at the food and figure out it's
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cool but like the tech is not that good
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yet like how how was the Stak actually
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cooked or were the fries deep fried or
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is it just like potato wedges like what
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is what is in front of you it's like
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really hard since there's no way to like
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interact with the display or anything
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you're not actually sure what
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information it's logging and then you
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look at your like macros later in the
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day and it you just have no way to
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authenticate that information yeah yeah
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I think that Google Glass was like 15
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years too early yeah and probably more
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yeah probably more probably 20 to 25
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years too early and if uh you know that
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seems like it would be a better use case
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than this Humane thing I think that they
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wanted to avoid smart glasses because
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you kind of look like a glasshole uh
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quote unquote if you're wearing smart
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glasses unless they're sunglasses which
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people AR used to seeing now you're
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going to be a
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pinhole yeah or uh um or if you have a
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prescription and you just have smart
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glasses but with a prescription then you
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wouldn't be able to notice yeah the pin
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is kind of a weird thing and I think
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that they're trying to make it like it's
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sort of fashion but it's not necessarily
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making it look like it's AI um their
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angle internally could just be like not
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everybody can wear glasses all the time
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but anyone can wear a pin all the time
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yeah the weird thing too is they showed
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the pin attached to like a handbag
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they're like you can wear it anywhere
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you could put on your purse you could
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put it on this the projector thing won't
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work exactly okay and then I just I
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didn't even realize that that's a great
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Point yeah like if it's on your handbag
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the projector won't work and then you'd
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have to you'd have to bring it up to
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your mouth if you wanted to talk to it
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it's supposed to have these beam forming
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speakers that make it like sound like
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you only you can hear it but yeah I
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don't know no the I mean I haven't I
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want to hear it when we get it or if we
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get it obviously but there are other
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examples of that that work really well
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like the bow things yeah those are
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really good incred yeah there are little
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there are little slices of technology
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that kind of work already for some of
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the applications of this and that's one
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of them like some of the audio tricks
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that it can play on you can work really
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well that's cool even occasionally just
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asking the GPT model probably basic
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questions there's probably one or two
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use cases where you're just walking
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around some random Park and you get to a
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landmark and it's a statue in front of
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you and you just tap the thing you're
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like what is that and it tells you and
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you're like holy that's awesome this
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Tech works really well there will
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probably be little slices of that that
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make you believe that this is the future
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but today for 700 bucks and 24 bucks a
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month that's a tough sell yeah I got to
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say it feels like a tough sell I do want
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to try it I did buy one oh I probably
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shouldn't say that so they don't like
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treat my order special or something I
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don't know it might not matter I don't
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think it'll matter I ordered one I don't
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even know when it's going to come out
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you can pre-order it now but they don't
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have like a release date which that's a
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really good point you know maybe it'll
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be the Roadster situation again so you
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guys think that the demo was real cuz
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you're saying like the peanut in the
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hand thing like cuz to me when I watch
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those demos I assume it's all like made
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in post yeah it should have
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been it's clear real cuz they've messed
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it up it's a it's a fair question I
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think if you uh I would guess that
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they're actually real I think a lot of
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them they take the pride in like the we
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came from Apple thing and apple always
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does real demos and they and Google
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always does real demos and I think
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certain companies like proud of always
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doing real demos yeah so yeah they could
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have done a pre-recorded thing but I
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think in order to feel like you're not
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lying to the public and the tech
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actually works I want to believe that
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those are real demos I I mean if they
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weren't real demos they probably would
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have gotten the information correct well
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I don't know I I assumed that when
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everything was getting like when it was
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going around on Twitter that certain
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things were wrong or an X excuse me I
00:17:38
assumed it was like a copy editor that
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like missed a fact or something I don't
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think so and that sounds like a GPT
00:17:43
mistake to me it does but that assumes
00:17:46
that the demo was live and accurate
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which I never assumed yeah for like the
00:17:50
pre-recorded stuff but I'm not sure
00:17:51
that's what I'm asking the funny thing
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is they issued this uh this note when
00:17:55
everyone was talking about how
00:17:56
everything was incorrect about it and
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they were like
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uh that was a bug and we're working on
00:18:01
fixing it it's like you can't fix the
00:18:02
way Transformer models work it's not a
00:18:05
bug like watch me it's chat GPT like you
00:18:09
can't just fix chat GPT yeah interesting
00:18:12
so there's been a lot of hype around
00:18:14
this company for a very long time
00:18:16
specifically because of their um you
00:18:18
know two people that worked on worked at
00:18:20
Apple worked on the original iPhone
00:18:22
interface Dream Team yeah kind of this
00:18:24
dream team scenario type thing but um
00:18:27
it'll be fun to watch the reviews of
00:18:29
those go live when they eventually do
00:18:31
yeah but until then we don't really know
00:18:33
much and they only showed demos to like
00:18:35
a couple of journalists uh and none of
00:18:38
those journalists were very impressed
00:18:39
with it interesting wer you even allowed
00:18:41
to use it did they ever yeah that's the
00:18:43
main question they were allowed to see
00:18:44
it being used that's tough cuz you know
00:18:46
how Apple Vision Pro like a red flag
00:18:48
yeah I was going to say apple Vision Pro
00:18:51
we also aren't able to shoot any videos
00:18:53
of our demos but we did try the thing to
00:18:55
it instead of watching someone use the
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thing you know so that's like a separate
00:18:59
layer of like okay this is probably real
00:19:02
uh so if no one's gotten to use it yet
00:19:03
yeah that just makes me really
00:19:06
pre-orders but no one could actually use
00:19:08
it yet is just a huge red flag to me
00:19:10
yeah they did get a lot of money out of
00:19:11
me for not using it assuming the demo
00:19:14
from the keynote if you want to call it
00:19:16
that like was real one thing that it far
00:19:20
exceeded my expectations in is uh
00:19:23
something called keystoning with a
00:19:25
projector which is where when you're
00:19:26
projecting onto a surface that not
00:19:29
perpendicular with the plane of the lens
00:19:32
different parts of the image both focus
00:19:34
and size because the different parts of
00:19:36
the image have to travel different
00:19:37
distances to the lens and you can see
00:19:40
the
00:19:41
keystoning chasing his hand moving and
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changing angle processing power it's a
00:19:46
ton of processing power cuz um and
00:19:48
there's there's a lot of really
00:19:50
interesting grad student papers on the
00:19:52
most efficient way to do this and stuff
00:19:54
like that but just like watching it sort
00:19:56
of Chase the plane around from just a
00:19:59
projector point of view I'm like pretty
00:20:01
cool pretty pretty good assuming it's
00:20:03
real assuming that's not something a
00:20:04
computer
00:20:06
Rend yeah we did have one projector that
00:20:09
we did in a dope Tech video a couple
00:20:12
years ago at this point but it it did it
00:20:15
really well and live and it it also made
00:20:18
it a touch surface so it was responding
00:20:20
to what it saw in reflection yeah the
00:20:22
the nebula series of projectors do this
00:20:24
pretty well and and so does the Samsung
00:20:27
the Samsung the freestyle that's the
00:20:29
full name of it but those all sort of
00:20:31
like you move and then they go like oh I
00:20:33
see that you changed one sec yep and but
00:20:37
this is like because the projector to be
00:20:39
yeah I think those might be those might
00:20:41
have a built-in delay on purpose where
00:20:43
if like someone walks in front of the
00:20:44
wall you don't want it to immediately
00:20:46
mess with the video so it's like let me
00:20:48
just check are you sure you're going to
00:20:49
you're going to keep it's going to stay
00:20:51
okay let me change it yeah so that could
00:20:53
be really cool hey I'm I'm fascinated by
00:20:55
this yeah I I will say that uh in a lot
00:20:57
of the PE like they and a lot of the
00:21:00
people that were wearing it it looked
00:21:01
like it was sagging their clothes quite
00:21:03
a bit I think that might be the most
00:21:04
underrated light it's not super light
00:21:07
yeah especially with the battery it's
00:21:09
it's also metal right yeah it's got to
00:21:11
be heavy yeah and yeah so anyway that'll
00:21:15
be interesting um we can't really
00:21:17
comment on it much until we actually get
00:21:19
a thing in I don't even know when we
00:21:20
will but we'll make sure to we'll keep
00:21:22
you guys posted we figure out anything
00:21:24
yeah um something else that's also not
00:21:27
coming out for a minute to the public
00:21:28
but that we did get to try well
00:21:29
technically it comes out today oh yeah
00:21:32
okay as of recording or as of as of uh
00:21:34
right now as of publishing okay so
00:21:37
nothing bringing
00:21:39
iMessage kind of to the phone 2
00:21:43
specifically for some reason okay so
00:21:46
this is a this is a whole thing it's
00:21:48
very interesting it's like this nothing
00:21:52
company is willing to try some stuff you
00:21:54
know yeah they're willing to try some
00:21:55
stuff so I kind of set the table with
00:21:57
this video and I made the whole video
00:21:58
about it if you want to watch it it's on
00:22:00
YouTube it's on X um it's if you're a
00:22:04
company trying to break out and and make
00:22:07
a new smartphone and gather market share
00:22:10
and grow sales around the world you can
00:22:13
kind of follow a pretty reasonably
00:22:16
predictable approach and start to do
00:22:17
that maybe you differentiate with price
00:22:20
or specs or design Carl P has done it
00:22:22
before with OnePlus right man but
00:22:25
there's something about the US where you
00:22:28
kind of have to do certain things to
00:22:30
break out like you need to be in carrier
00:22:32
stores to pass M 2% market share you
00:22:35
just can't get people like there's not
00:22:37
enough Enthusiast to buy your phone
00:22:38
online you need a carrier deal and what
00:22:40
you also need is to compete against the
00:22:43
iPhone and actually get people to switch
00:22:45
from the iPhone which is a staggeringly
00:22:48
dominant phone in the US like shockingly
00:22:51
so and I talk about this in the video
00:22:53
like everybody in every other country is
00:22:54
like this is so dumb like you guys why
00:22:56
do you even use iMessage like nobody
00:22:58
even uses what bothers with the default
00:23:00
texting app where I come from and that's
00:23:02
totally fair uh so I always have to
00:23:04
explain yeah in the US people just open
00:23:06
the texting app and text each other yeah
00:23:08
and on on the iPhone that's iMessage and
00:23:11
there's enough of a process built in
00:23:14
where Apple realizes that they can lock
00:23:15
people into the iPhone with it and most
00:23:17
people that use iMessage or um just the
00:23:20
Apple messages app on their iPhone don't
00:23:22
realize that it's like that iMessage is
00:23:25
not the app the app is Apple messages
00:23:27
iMessage is a protocol that gets used
00:23:29
between iPhones but it has SMS fallback
00:23:32
so people are not used to realizing oh
00:23:34
this is like an an internet-based chat
00:23:36
service whereas regular SMS is just
00:23:39
regular SMS yeah and get really thrown
00:23:41
off yeah all they really realize is this
00:23:44
works good when my friend has an iPhone
00:23:45
and this works way worse when my friend
00:23:47
doesn't have an iPhone yeah so that
00:23:48
pressure is real so if you're a new
00:23:50
startup company trying to sell a phone
00:23:52
in the US you're going to be up against
00:23:53
people who are like eh I don't really
00:23:55
want a phone that can't work with
00:23:57
imessage yeah
00:24:00
so's genius idea is to literally just
00:24:05
try to offer iMessage for Android and
00:24:07
the way they did this was they
00:24:08
collaborated with Sunbird there's a
00:24:10
couple companies we've talked about that
00:24:11
are kind of doing this in some way but
00:24:13
Sunbird is one of them that is offering
00:24:16
a iMessage pass through service that
00:24:20
will give you some of the features of
00:24:23
iMessage on an Android phone so that if
00:24:26
your iPhone friend texts you it's going
00:24:28
to show up as a blue bubble to them if
00:24:30
you all send messages with pictures back
00:24:32
and forth it'll be high resolution
00:24:34
typing indicators reactions
00:24:36
Etc and all of that seems kind of cool
00:24:42
but you should also know that you are
00:24:45
signing in with your Apple
00:24:49
ID and just giving it to a third party
00:24:51
yeah like I I don't know how else to
00:24:53
explain it like you're signing in you're
00:24:55
you're typing your username and password
00:24:57
your Apple ID into a ma Min in the
00:25:00
middle of nowhere into well into an app
00:25:03
that is not apple and that's totally
00:25:05
cool you can do that but that just means
00:25:07
that they're going to get your
00:25:08
information and they've actually broken
00:25:09
down what they're going to do to try to
00:25:10
mitigate all the possible security
00:25:12
concerns they don't want to ever store
00:25:14
your login information they don't want
00:25:15
to ever store your messages everything
00:25:18
should be encrypted but I just you kind
00:25:20
of you have to know that that's what's
00:25:22
happening and there's that risk right
00:25:25
and so that's it's out there now they're
00:25:27
going to it's I guess today start
00:25:29
offering that um for nothing phone 2
00:25:32
users I don't know that it's going to
00:25:36
work meaning I don't know that it's
00:25:38
going to get people to to go ah I was
00:25:42
going to get an iPhone but now I'll get
00:25:44
this one did you watch the nothing video
00:25:46
that they put out about it I did yeah so
00:25:48
they said that most of their nothing
00:25:51
customers own like ear sticks or ear
00:25:54
ones or ear twos or whatever and that
00:25:57
they most of those people own iPhones
00:25:59
yeah so they were like why are we
00:26:02
selling these cool headphones but why
00:26:04
aren't we selling more phones so they
00:26:05
did a bunch of market research and it's
00:26:07
not hard to deduce that iMessage is like
00:26:10
one of the main reasons in the United
00:26:11
States why people won't switch off the
00:26:12
iPhone so they thought what if we could
00:26:15
just put iMessage on an Android phone
00:26:18
and uh they say in the video we made an
00:26:20
app they didn't make this app Sunbird
00:26:22
made the app they put a skin on it it's
00:26:24
a skin version of Sunbird it's a nothing
00:26:26
skin yeah yeah so it it worked for me it
00:26:30
was a little slow a little janky
00:26:32
sometimes uh it's it's not as smooth
00:26:35
there animations that don't look amazing
00:26:37
like when I when I get a new image I
00:26:39
have to download it to view the full
00:26:40
reses version but like it's it's working
00:26:43
and it shows up as a blue bubble to the
00:26:45
iPhone so there's that um but yeah it is
00:26:48
like a it's a weird thing that only this
00:26:51
company would probably try right now
00:26:54
yeah it's it's kind of crazy that
00:26:55
they're willing to do this um I know
00:26:57
that nothing doesn't have a lot to lose
00:26:58
Sunbird kind of has a lot to lose but
00:27:00
also Sunbird still hasn't come out of
00:27:03
like of like super closed down beta uh
00:27:06
whereas beeper is like pretty much out
00:27:07
there for everybody I've talked to
00:27:09
people from Sunbird and beeper and
00:27:11
they've said that they're not they feel
00:27:13
like this is the perfect time to do it
00:27:15
because with Apple and Google being put
00:27:17
under so much regulatory antitrust
00:27:19
scrutiny they feel like if Apple just
00:27:21
like turned a switch that was like you
00:27:23
and made it not possible to do this then
00:27:25
they would get like in a lot of trouble
00:27:27
yeah so I still don't really feel like
00:27:31
it's going to last a really long time um
00:27:34
I was trying to figure that out I don't
00:27:36
based on my understanding of how this
00:27:38
works I don't know that Apple could
00:27:41
decide I mean maybe I don't know exactly
00:27:43
how it works but could they actually
00:27:44
shut this down they could probably
00:27:46
figure out a way to not make yeah to
00:27:47
make it not work like if you're um I
00:27:49
don't know if the Mac that you're
00:27:51
associating your iMessage account with
00:27:53
is in a different country to the one
00:27:55
that you're in currently then it'd have
00:27:57
to run through VPN yeah I don't know
00:28:00
they could they could do a lot of like
00:28:02
we're not actually shutting it down but
00:28:03
we're making it way harder kind of
00:28:04
things so nothing told me that their Mac
00:28:07
minis are going to be in whatever region
00:28:09
you're in so there are a bunch of
00:28:10
different Mac Mini Server Farms whatever
00:28:14
in different locations it'll probably be
00:28:15
in your region and as far as I can tell
00:28:18
it's just routing through your computer
00:28:21
the way any other iMessage would yeah so
00:28:25
it would be up to Apple to detect
00:28:27
somehow that this is one of the specific
00:28:30
Mac minis or VMS or whatever that they
00:28:32
don't want to use it just it seems like
00:28:35
harder than expected to shut it down I
00:28:37
think they're just going to do nothing
00:28:39
nothing literally nothing it's a pun
00:28:41
sorry I didn't want to make a pun today
00:28:42
but just came out sorry but yeah I I
00:28:45
don't think they're going to do anything
00:28:46
yeah probably true probably true I don't
00:28:48
know there this is spurring another
00:28:50
conversation all over social media and I
00:28:51
think this conversation gets spurred
00:28:53
like twice a year at least just about uh
00:28:56
iMessages like hold and like should we
00:28:59
just have an open protocol that everyone
00:29:01
should use or a hot take I was seeing on
00:29:03
Twitter a lot yesterday was people were
00:29:05
saying Apple should just be forced to
00:29:07
put iMessage on Android because that way
00:29:09
like they're not necessarily being
00:29:11
forced to open up their proprietary
00:29:13
protocol forced to put iMessage on
00:29:15
Android yeah but they're allowing other
00:29:18
people to use their service which is
00:29:20
arguably a better service than most than
00:29:22
a lot of other messaging protocols yeah
00:29:25
and if Apple was just forced to put
00:29:27
iMessage on Android then they're still
00:29:29
getting all the traffic and they've
00:29:30
almost put iMessage on Android many
00:29:32
times there were like a bunch of leaked
00:29:33
documents where they were going to do it
00:29:35
and they were like you know I feel like
00:29:37
this is the only reason people are
00:29:38
staying on the iPhone yeah like like
00:29:41
Phil Schiller and like all all these
00:29:42
upper manager dudes they definitely have
00:29:45
an Android iMessage app just waiting on
00:29:48
ice for whenever it has to go out it's
00:29:50
ready I I think that they'd probably
00:29:52
have to figure out another Monet
00:29:54
monetization strategy for it though if
00:29:56
they were to add that many more users
00:29:58
cuz they would they would literally like
00:30:01
the amount of users they'd add if it got
00:30:02
added to Android not just because of the
00:30:04
US but because of the entire world would
00:30:06
be so high that their server cost would
00:30:08
just explode so they'd have to figure
00:30:09
out a a better monetization strategy for
00:30:12
the couch cushions for some change over
00:30:14
there at Al par yeah yeah so I just I
00:30:17
found the comments on the video really
00:30:19
funny which is every time this happens
00:30:21
there's tons of comments about in the
00:30:23
country I live in here's what it's like
00:30:25
it's like we know I've told this by you
00:30:28
guys a bazillion times we know seven out
00:30:30
of 10 comments are like in my country
00:30:32
most people don't use the iPhone because
00:30:33
everyone uses WhatsApp so we're all just
00:30:35
competing on hardware and the iPhone's
00:30:36
not that competitive with Hardware I
00:30:38
found one really interesting uh they
00:30:40
said in Japan a lot of people use
00:30:43
iPhones but they all still use WhatsApp
00:30:46
on the iPhone that's amazing which is
00:30:48
like golden golden wow wow perfect
00:30:51
scenario Japan reign supreme once we50
00:30:54
over there yeah yeah yeah seriously so
00:30:56
yeah that happened this week it's out if
00:30:58
you have nothing phone 2 you know you've
00:31:00
heard all of our red flag warnings so we
00:31:03
can't say we didn't warn you but you can
00:31:04
try it it's kind of a bummer they're
00:31:06
only putting this on nothing phone 2 and
00:31:08
a lot of people were upset that bought
00:31:09
nothing phone ones CU a lot of people
00:31:10
didn't feel like it was worth to upgrade
00:31:12
to the phone 2 from the phone one why
00:31:13
wouldn't it work with the phone one I
00:31:15
it's not that it can't it's I think it's
00:31:17
just that they they want people to buy
00:31:18
phone 2s they probably aren't moving
00:31:20
enough phone 2 units it's like how Apple
00:31:23
released the M3 because like they sold
00:31:25
no M2 devices you know I was going to
00:31:27
say are there any like do we know
00:31:29
anything technical about how this app
00:31:31
works Sunbird it works on all of my
00:31:33
Android phones that I've used how does
00:31:34
Sunbird work Sunbird works by um cuz
00:31:37
beeper was like an open source protocol
00:31:39
remember like what is Sunbird you doing
00:31:42
Sunbird is just a closed Source protocol
00:31:44
so it's just their protocol version of
00:31:45
beeper yeah interesting uh so there's no
00:31:47
like technical as far as we know
00:31:49
technical reason why you can't run on a
00:31:51
phone one I think you could run Sunbird
00:31:53
today in beta on a phone one yeah yeah I
00:31:56
mean I I I didn't get official access to
00:31:59
Sunbird I got the APK who and then I
00:32:02
just Sid loaded it onto my phone DAV
00:32:04
David don't admit that that's not
00:32:05
illegal sneaky side side load wow that's
00:32:08
sort of a S engine mod throwback anyway
00:32:11
yeah well yeah it's out there yeah so if
00:32:14
you got a phone to try it out if you uh
00:32:16
have any other phone try it
00:32:18
out grab an APK let us know how it works
00:32:21
I have us you could get the APK for this
00:32:23
yeah maybe yeah the nothing one yeah I
00:32:25
have used both beeper and Sunbird and I
00:32:28
think that Sunbird looks a little bit
00:32:29
better but it has less functionality
00:32:31
than Bieber right now so but does that
00:32:33
even matter if it's nothing
00:32:36
skinned yeah it looks fine it looks like
00:32:39
a nothing app yeah it's called Nothing
00:32:41
chat oh the benefit of it though is that
00:32:43
it'll detect whether or not you're uh
00:32:46
texting in another Android User or an
00:32:48
iMessage user and if you're texting
00:32:49
Android User it goes through RCS if you
00:32:51
text an an iPhone user it goes through
00:32:53
iMessage so that's a benefit it doesn't
00:32:56
just fall back to
00:32:57
everything is encrypted yeah wow
00:32:59
everything's encrypted wouldn't that be
00:33:00
the perfect 2050 world we could live in
00:33:03
yeah anyway let's kick it to trivia and
00:33:06
then uh take a little ad
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00:33:12
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1979 what year did SP now come out again
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this is one year before dbrand launched
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what year did speak now come out and it
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was the third studio album and it was
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the year before dbrand jeez all right I
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don't know might have to make an
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educated guess on that answers at the
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00:35:36
stories for you here today the first one
00:35:39
being that we finally found out how much
00:35:42
Google pays Apple to be the default
00:35:44
search engine on uh Safari I have a hot
00:35:47
take about this oh do you want to do you
00:35:50
want to disclose uh first tell us how
00:35:52
much you're spending okay so it's always
00:35:54
been known that Google pays Apple a lot
00:35:56
lot of money to be the default search
00:35:58
engine on the iPhone yeah um and that's
00:36:02
sort of a way that a lot of browsers
00:36:03
make money now is sort of like a ransom
00:36:05
thing they're like hey we could make
00:36:08
Bing the default search and and Google
00:36:10
goes
00:36:11
no you know all these things so uh
00:36:14
during this antitrust trial uh it was
00:36:17
Google versus epic because we already
00:36:19
did appic Apple versus epic and now
00:36:21
we're doing Google versus epic I guess
00:36:24
it came out that they pay Apple 36% of
00:36:28
search ad Revenue uh to use Safari or to
00:36:31
be the default search engine on Safari
00:36:33
which is a lot so what you're saying is
00:36:36
app Google makes all of their search
00:36:38
engine revenue and then they take 36% of
00:36:41
what they make and specifically on
00:36:43
Safari of what they make on Safari and
00:36:46
give it to Apple to remain the default
00:36:48
search engine for when you just type a
00:36:49
phrase into the search box yeah that's a
00:36:52
lot yeah that's a lot it's also kind of
00:36:54
a situation where it's like it's only a
00:36:56
lot because they are the default and so
00:36:58
that 36% means is is a lot of money
00:37:02
because they are the default if they
00:37:03
weren't the default that 36% would not
00:37:05
really be that much yeah yeah ready for
00:37:08
my hot take I'm ready it's all wasted
00:37:11
money do not pay them a dime there's no
00:37:14
way Google switches it to or apple
00:37:17
switches it to Bing to Bing Apple would
00:37:21
switch to Bing I wonder about this a lot
00:37:24
no way I've seen that hot take on the
00:37:25
internet quite a bit
00:37:27
um I don't know if that many regular
00:37:31
users would be able to like tell the
00:37:33
difference or be pissed off that they're
00:37:35
using Bing I think if one day you typed
00:37:38
a phrase into the search box in Safari
00:37:41
and it pulled up a Bing search result
00:37:43
the entire internet would lose its
00:37:44
Collective Minds even regular people
00:37:47
yeah not just nerds I think I think it
00:37:49
would spill over pretty fast that is
00:37:51
definitely a hot take CU I disagree hard
00:37:53
way really I think that the same way
00:37:55
everyone knows that Siri kind of sucks
00:37:58
the same way everyone knows Bing kind of
00:38:00
sucks but do regular people know that
00:38:02
Siri kind of sucks I think so the thing
00:38:04
is with search the more people they get
00:38:07
making searches the better the product
00:38:09
gets so if you make Bing the search
00:38:11
engine for like a month it'll eventually
00:38:14
be fine that's you would think that's
00:38:17
true but it didn't work with Siri it's
00:38:19
not 100% that way though it's not like a
00:38:21
learning model where it just gets way
00:38:23
better way like automatically would they
00:38:26
like okay let's say theoretically
00:38:28
hypothetically yeah Google stops paying
00:38:30
today uhhuh do you think there's a path
00:38:33
where Apple goes okay we need to because
00:38:35
also if you switch it to Bing that
00:38:37
assumes Microsoft is now
00:38:40
paying yeah what if Microsoft Apple
00:38:43
needs to go to somebody and be like yeah
00:38:45
give us want to pay us and how much do
00:38:47
you want to pay yeah so Microsoft
00:38:49
currently not paying Google decides
00:38:52
we're not going to pay anymore who are
00:38:54
they going to switch it to if they don't
00:38:56
have a default willing to pay they going
00:38:59
to switch it to Bing and just give it to
00:39:00
them for free that would be if nobody
00:39:02
was willing to pay though yeah yeah
00:39:04
because I mean there's this whole
00:39:05
antitrust conversation going on with
00:39:07
Google Google's being sued by the
00:39:09
federal government about whether or not
00:39:10
they should even legally be allowed to
00:39:13
pay off people like apple to be the
00:39:16
default um I honestly I feel like if you
00:39:21
couldn't do that Apple would just
00:39:23
Implement a thing when you set up Safari
00:39:24
for the first time that would say what's
00:39:26
search engine do you want to use and I
00:39:27
agree with you that probably 98% of
00:39:29
people would pick Google search cuz like
00:39:32
why would you just pick why wouldn't
00:39:33
Apple make their own I mean they could
00:39:35
they probably have it ready they just
00:39:37
like they have iMessage on speculated
00:39:39
for a while they almost definitely do
00:39:40
but if they make 23% of or 36% of all
00:39:44
Google Revenue it's probably in their
00:39:45
best interest to just use use that as
00:39:48
like a so this is interesting generator
00:39:50
right yeah on one hand you you like the
00:39:54
money you're Apple you should make a lot
00:39:56
of money yeah but on the other they have
00:39:58
been known to like take big leaps to
00:40:00
like for some of that default like when
00:40:03
like switching from Intel to Apple
00:40:05
silicon they kind of took that leap not
00:40:07
that intel was paying them or whatever
00:40:09
but they took that leap to go from the
00:40:11
easy default to making their own thing
00:40:14
and that made it better over time and
00:40:16
they have not made the leap to to
00:40:18
serving their own search engine ever
00:40:20
yeah and I think there's a probably a
00:40:22
pretty good reason for that which is
00:40:24
it's probably harder than they think and
00:40:25
you need a lot lot of volume a lot of
00:40:27
business a lot of things to work for a
00:40:28
search in to be good one thing too is
00:40:30
that apple is like one of the only
00:40:32
companies that does not make nearly as
00:40:35
much money selling your data like apple
00:40:38
makes most of its revenue on hardware
00:40:40
and services um but almost every single
00:40:43
other tech company sells data to make
00:40:45
most of its money and so a search engine
00:40:48
for them is not that useful right
00:40:49
because a search engine is mostly
00:40:50
tracking your habits it's mostly
00:40:52
tracking what websites you're going to
00:40:53
and if apple is keeping that super
00:40:55
private on device cuz that's their whole
00:40:57
thing that's their whole shtick then
00:40:59
like what's the value of that to them if
00:41:00
they could just like point a gun at your
00:41:02
head and say give us 30 36% of all
00:41:05
revenue or we literally like pull the
00:41:07
bottom out from under you I feel like
00:41:08
that's a much better Revenue generator
00:41:10
from them in the long term I think their
00:41:11
only argument would be we can just make
00:41:13
it a better product like we can we can
00:41:15
deliver the search engine that the world
00:41:17
wants which doesn't sell all of your
00:41:20
information but learns from all of your
00:41:22
searches and can give you better
00:41:23
features that work for you that's true
00:41:25
thearch they would have to really really
00:41:28
really assume that that would be a
00:41:30
selling point for people yeah yeah they
00:41:33
just have to look at how many people use
00:41:34
ala Vista today and assume that they can
00:41:37
get that amount of people to switch yeah
00:41:39
yeah yeah yeah I mean it'll be
00:41:41
interesting to see what happens if uh
00:41:43
this trial goes through and or if the
00:41:45
federal government wins this case I
00:41:47
don't think they will um following the
00:41:49
case they've been they've made a lot of
00:41:50
bad uh bad cases but if they did it
00:41:54
would be really interesting to see what
00:41:55
would happen I think that I don't I
00:41:57
personally don't think that Apple would
00:41:59
make their own search engine because
00:42:00
it's just a huge overhead for like not a
00:42:02
lot of benefit especially when Google is
00:42:04
so far ahead of everybody else that the
00:42:07
quality of Google search kind of
00:42:08
directly affects the way that people see
00:42:11
Safari right because if the the number
00:42:14
one thing you probably do on your
00:42:15
browser is search something then Google
00:42:18
is kind of like lifting up all the other
00:42:20
browsers in a way dang yeah have you
00:42:22
guys used Yahoo search in the past few
00:42:25
years
00:42:26
it is literally Microsoft Bing backend
00:42:30
with a Google clone skin on top I didn't
00:42:35
I didn't know still exist the only thing
00:42:36
I've used Yahoo search for is finance
00:42:39
it's funny like if you go into Yahoo and
00:42:41
you like search a sports team it'll
00:42:43
present it in like the exact same format
00:42:46
it lit looks exactly like I they even
00:42:48
have the the 3X3 grid for all their
00:42:51
different y Chang the font isn't that
00:42:54
just the Google search bar so look you
00:42:56
you know maybe if Yahoo was willing to
00:42:57
do a little bit of a discount Apple
00:42:59
could kind of do a SE little wow wow
00:43:03
look there's a little browser for all of
00:43:04
your yaps oh my God is that what they
00:43:07
call it that's what I I just made that
00:43:09
up yeah what is that all sights this is
00:43:11
literally the way that Gmail looks oh
00:43:13
sorry yeah you're yikes that's literally
00:43:15
the way that Google search wow that's
00:43:17
insane I didn't even know that that's
00:43:19
wild damn okay good for
00:43:22
Yahoo good for Yahoo um yeah so I mean
00:43:27
that's always been like a black box so
00:43:28
it's interesting to know that
00:43:29
information now there was a funny little
00:43:31
blurb that was like when the uh Google
00:43:34
engineer like let out that information
00:43:36
his manager who was sitting sitting like
00:43:38
behind him visibly cringed CU apparently
00:43:41
he was not supposed to say that oh no
00:43:43
yeah but he kind of got forced to so and
00:43:45
now we all know 26.3 billion now the
00:43:49
waveform Pod knows we all know you've
00:43:53
been spending a lot of money yeah cool
00:43:55
yeah all right all right um next topic
00:43:57
we didn't really mention last week but
00:44:00
there was an open AI Dev day that I
00:44:02
watched uh last week their first
00:44:05
developer day I tried bro I really tried
00:44:07
to watch it yeah it was so cra I mean I
00:44:09
watched it for the first half hour um
00:44:12
they tried to do a live like live demos
00:44:14
and stuff and it felt a lot like a
00:44:16
Microsoft keynote and it kind of was a
00:44:18
Microsoft keynote because SAA came out
00:44:20
and you know I don't know opening ey is
00:44:22
kind of a Microsoft company now to be
00:44:24
honest uh the wing yeah yeah so they
00:44:27
announced a few new products they
00:44:29
announced this thing called gp4 turbo
00:44:32
whoa yeah um which makes the context
00:44:34
window for tokens much longer so you can
00:44:37
import like an entire research paper
00:44:39
instead of just you know writing a few
00:44:42
words say tell it to me like this based
00:44:44
on you know this information so yeah you
00:44:47
can like Drop in all this stuff um it
00:44:49
moves the up toate information to April
00:44:51
2023 because before it was really behind
00:44:54
and they made a note that they never
00:44:56
want to be able to fall that far back
00:44:58
again with the training
00:44:59
data uh it is also way cheaper than
00:45:03
regular gtp4 was so it's a lot easier
00:45:06
for people to use at scale and then
00:45:07
they're also offering gpg 3.5 for people
00:45:10
for way way way way cheaper um so I
00:45:13
guess small businesses can start to use
00:45:15
this without it bankrupting them uh and
00:45:18
then the biggest news probably was that
00:45:19
they are letting you make your own
00:45:21
individualized chatbot with something
00:45:23
called
00:45:24
gpts so in instead of having uh just
00:45:27
chat GPT where you say you are my math
00:45:30
teacher do XYZ you can make a GPT called
00:45:34
math teacher AI MH and this kind of
00:45:37
bankrupts like a lot of startup
00:45:39
companies that were just using gp4 as a
00:45:42
back end but we're spinning it up yeah
00:45:43
as a rapper because now you can just
00:45:45
make this yourself um for free and you
00:45:48
can feed it you can say you you train it
00:45:51
by typing into GPT for what you want it
00:45:55
to be be and then it just becomes this
00:45:58
Persona
00:45:59
effectively yeah that is pretty sick
00:46:02
that also definitely ruined a lot of
00:46:03
pitch teexs yes a lot of pitch teexs a
00:46:06
lot of pitch teexs love um they're also
00:46:08
going to have a store where you can
00:46:09
download and sell gpts I guess if you
00:46:13
like work on making them specific and
00:46:15
interesting that's what I'm most excited
00:46:17
for the store people are going to make
00:46:18
some awesome stuff yeah guarante it's
00:46:20
going to be fun to like look at that um
00:46:22
how long until we have one for the
00:46:24
waveform Pod someone's going to already
00:46:26
is one should look it up wa for GPT they
00:46:30
have some they introduced something
00:46:31
called copyright Shield which is
00:46:32
interesting where basically like if
00:46:34
you're using uh chat jpt or like if you
00:46:37
have a jpt or using your business and
00:46:39
you get sued for copyright infringement
00:46:42
uh open I will pay your legal
00:46:44
bills which is a whole like very sketch
00:46:47
it feels very similar to when Elon was
00:46:50
like if you get fired over saying Free
00:46:52
Speech things on X we will pay your
00:46:54
legal bills even though didn't actually
00:46:56
mean that um and they still have a 100
00:47:00
million weekly active users which
00:47:03
is crazy because before threads they
00:47:06
were the fastest application to 100
00:47:08
million users um but they have that many
00:47:11
weekly now oh I forgot thread's got that
00:47:13
in like five days or
00:47:15
something yeah wow 100 million weekly
00:47:18
that was kind of the the whole
00:47:19
conference there are we all are we all
00:47:22
weekly active users of GPT I use it
00:47:24
every week for sure yeah I'd say so yeah
00:47:27
no am I the only one saying no I Marquez
00:47:30
you use it every every week every week
00:47:32
yeah what do you do when you get
00:47:34
lonely I look in the mirror and weep by
00:47:37
myself I actually I am surpris I have
00:47:39
asked it for uh kind of advice on both
00:47:42
advice and for just information on
00:47:45
things that it's extremely F hard to
00:47:47
find on the internet and that there's
00:47:48
only a few resources for on the internet
00:47:51
and it gives you like a much more
00:47:53
concise much better put together list of
00:47:57
things you should do about certain
00:47:58
topics um I don't know I just I think
00:48:01
that it might become more useful for me
00:48:03
as this like store comes out but as it
00:48:05
is right now I just don't find it that
00:48:07
useful I understand that for I
00:48:09
understand that I'm only using it more
00:48:10
because I decided to pay for a month of
00:48:13
the premium model but also for work
00:48:14
purposes you were like I want to try
00:48:15
this to like be on top of just want to
00:48:17
try it and see how it see how it works
00:48:19
out I don't know if I'm going to keep
00:48:20
paying for it um because the free model
00:48:22
is already pretty good but yeah how much
00:48:25
how much is gbt for Turbo Turbo is for
00:48:28
businesses I believe I'm I'm a business
00:48:31
oh you true true I'm not a businessman
00:48:33
I'm a business I think it's one cent let
00:48:35
me handle my business I think it's like
00:48:37
1 cent per thousand tokens is that yeah
00:48:41
isn't it crazy that one company makes
00:48:44
chat GPT LinkedIn and World of
00:48:48
Warcraft
00:48:49
wait one of these things is not like the
00:48:52
other it's all Microsoft Microsoft
00:48:54
technically owns Activision blue blizard
00:48:55
which makes World of Warcraft they own
00:48:57
LinkedIn and they well they don't own
00:49:00
open AI but they like they are heavy
00:49:03
investors to the point where you might
00:49:05
as well consider them one and the same
00:49:07
SAA is at the event yeah so turbo is 1
00:49:11
cent per thousand tokens U it used to be
00:49:14
three cents per thousand with regular
00:49:16
GPT 4 is a th I don't know what a th
00:49:19
tokens gets me though a token is a is a
00:49:23
word okay yeah so a generated word okay
00:49:27
yeah I'm interested yeah I want the
00:49:30
turbo shocker yeah uh okay yeah that's
00:49:33
super cool I'm probably going to
00:49:35
continue yeah I use a weekly mostly for
00:49:37
like some of the brainstorming stuff
00:49:38
that we talked about but also like you
00:49:39
said some of the super Niche extremely
00:49:42
instructive specific things that you can
00:49:43
only find if you just have it summarize
00:49:45
a bunch of stuff for you on the internet
00:49:46
so yeah yeah yeah we should talk about
00:49:49
the other thing listed here though okay
00:49:52
steam deck OLED yeah okay steam deck
00:49:53
OLED also got aoun anounced uh there's a
00:49:56
Dave 2D video about it there's also new
00:49:58
information so if you're interested
00:49:59
steam deck OLED is a real thing it is a
00:50:02
new HDR OLED display with smaller bezels
00:50:05
than the original steam deck it is
00:50:07
brighter now it'll do 1,000 nits uh 600
00:50:10
nits for SDR content 1,000 nits for HDR
00:50:13
it is now 90 Herz that's my biggest I
00:50:16
was going to say I think that's one of
00:50:17
the biggest deals as far as what regular
00:50:19
people will notice it's absolutely the
00:50:20
brightness but what will I appreciate 90
00:50:22
HZ yes please um bigger faster SD I mean
00:50:26
there big Hardware spec improvements on
00:50:27
the inside 3 to 12h hour battery life
00:50:30
coded versus the previous 2 to8 battery
00:50:32
uh 2 to 8 Hour battery life it's a
00:50:34
little lighter 30 G lighter and it's a
00:50:36
quieter fan and there's a little bit
00:50:38
more of a transparent design M
00:50:40
$549 for the ultimate airplane seatback
00:50:44
gaming console I think it's great I am
00:50:47
I'm a fan of a great display so this is
00:50:49
pretty much exactly what Nintendo did
00:50:51
with the switch OLED yeah they just
00:50:54
updated they made it a bigger brighter
00:50:56
better screen uh the battery life is a
00:50:58
little bit better and uh they just
00:51:01
started selling it can't go wrong yeah
00:51:03
so I think that I think that was a good
00:51:05
idea right before the holidays too yeah
00:51:07
really getting people's stocking
00:51:08
stuffers going if you're really generous
00:51:10
yeah they fixed a lot of the problems
00:51:12
the original one had which was great um
00:51:14
the fan had this like crazy coil wine
00:51:16
issue that people were having and dbrand
00:51:19
had to like issue a a bunch of new cases
00:51:21
for everybody because it was like
00:51:23
stopping the intake and making the coil
00:51:25
the fan like wine a ton um so that
00:51:28
apparently still works with it because
00:51:30
the the body of the hardware is exactly
00:51:31
the same they were just able to shrink
00:51:32
the bezels yeah so the screen's a lot
00:51:35
better uh and they Shrunk the node size
00:51:37
of the Apu in it which is what increases
00:51:39
the battery life and you get a couple of
00:51:41
extra frames of performance it's a whole
00:51:42
spec bump yeah it's technically new
00:51:45
faster SSD it's technically the exact
00:51:47
same um CPU and GPU but they they did a
00:51:51
node
00:51:52
shrink interesting so it's not the same
00:51:54
it's not the same same but it's more
00:51:56
efficient yeah yeah it's more efficient
00:51:58
and slightly faster and runs cooler
00:52:01
better product yeah Pizza more
00:52:04
no
00:52:06
sorry Papa steam um I don't think there
00:52:10
are more nodes now right it's literally
00:52:11
just like shrunken down does a die
00:52:13
shrink to 4 nanometer I believe that's
00:52:15
cool yeah that's way cool yeah so I
00:52:18
think they're holding back the bigger
00:52:19
chip for the next version yeah they they
00:52:21
said that they didn't have any um plans
00:52:24
right now to do a more powerful one what
00:52:27
they should say yeah so that you buy
00:52:29
this one yeah and then in six months
00:52:30
they're like just kidding we had plans
00:52:33
Nintendo will definitely be doing as
00:52:34
well that's fair while we're on uh
00:52:37
gaming stuff there's also new analog
00:52:39
special edition like Pockets getting
00:52:41
released special colors that are getting
00:52:43
released this Friday the 17th so today
00:52:46
today when you're listening to this
00:52:47
which means it's probably already sold
00:52:49
out so sorry for you guys sorry for
00:52:52
telling you sorry for telling you these
00:52:53
ones come in the classic matte colored
00:52:56
designs uh analog seems to be just
00:52:58
shipping special editions of the pocket
00:53:00
to keep sales going they did a
00:53:02
transparent one they did a
00:53:03
glow-in-the-dark one and now they're
00:53:05
well translucent translucent
00:53:07
glow-in-the-dark and now they're doing
00:53:08
these matte colorways they're doing blue
00:53:12
green Indigo pink red silver yellow and
00:53:18
spice
00:53:19
orange and they all look sick they they
00:53:22
look I don't know why orange is the only
00:53:23
one with a modifier but it's
00:53:26
specifically spice orange got it I
00:53:29
really hope I don't get this wrong I
00:53:31
think it's cuz spice orange was an
00:53:33
original color that you could get the
00:53:35
GameCube in in Japan like like the
00:53:38
orange GameCube is called spice orange
00:53:40
really hope I'm right about that because
00:53:42
your Nostalgia tricks don't work on me
00:53:44
analog I know nothing about these old
00:53:47
conses I immune yeah it was you were
00:53:50
right Ellis it was called spice Orange
00:53:51
let's go got it yeah got it awesome new
00:53:55
trivia question yep no please don't we
00:53:58
we need one Andrew related we should do
00:53:59
an Andrew related second trivia question
00:54:01
oh boy do we have one for you let's get
00:54:03
it let's
00:54:04
[Music]
00:54:06
go second trivia question so out of
00:54:10
everyone in the studio Andrew probably
00:54:12
watches the most twitch twitch thank you
00:54:15
I was going to say TW I was going to say
00:54:17
Steam for a second because my head's in
00:54:19
Steam but yeah he watches the most
00:54:21
twitch mhm okay what is Andrew's twitch
00:54:24
username
00:54:26
name wow yeah you don't follow Andrew on
00:54:31
Twitch um I probably do but I don't
00:54:33
watch Twitch wait so you don't follow me
00:54:35
on Twitch no I don't actually maybe I do
00:54:38
I probably did when I found out that you
00:54:40
had one yeah I wrote down a username
00:54:42
that I no longer know if it's for twitch
00:54:44
or something else we'll just we'll find
00:54:46
out later I could either be right and
00:54:49
feel really good about it or I could be
00:54:51
wrong and you don't get any points yeah
00:54:54
we'll be right back
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visible.com all right welcome back to
00:55:59
our third and final section of the
00:56:01
waveform podcast which is just me saying
00:56:04
that we've got a bunch of EV stuff to
00:56:05
talk about and we've put it all in the
00:56:07
same section because it just makes sense
00:56:09
that way it feels good to put them all
00:56:10
in one big EV section this makes sense
00:56:12
um I wanted to just start off with what
00:56:14
do you think about this uh this jumper
00:56:15
cable that lucid announced I think it's
00:56:17
dope I think it's sick yeah I'm kind of
00:56:19
shocked that nobody's done it yet
00:56:20
because others have supported reverse
00:56:22
charging so what basically Lucid did is
00:56:24
they Ed a a cable that plugs directly
00:56:27
into the lucid and into any other EV
00:56:31
that can charge them at a rate of up to
00:56:33
9.6 Kow so you can go oh you have a dead
00:56:36
battery in your Tesla Model 3 whatever
00:56:39
yeah I'll pull up in my Lucid plug one
00:56:41
end into my car plug the other end into
00:56:42
the into the Tesla and give you 40 m
00:56:45
hour of charge yeah that's it's pretty
00:56:48
dope that's sick genely awesome feature
00:56:51
usually when your car dies a battery
00:56:52
you're only like a couple of miles from
00:56:54
a charger anyway yeah that's how fast my
00:56:56
fast charging in my garage charges like
00:56:58
wow I think 10 kows or like N 9 or 11
00:57:01
something like that kilowatt so like
00:57:02
that's right up there with like 30 to 40
00:57:04
m hour of charge now my question is how
00:57:06
quickly does it drain the uh Lucid the
00:57:08
Lucid because you're going to lose a lot
00:57:10
to heat you're going to lose a lot to
00:57:11
heat you'll probably lose like 50 60 M
00:57:13
hour of battery but if you're pulling up
00:57:15
and helping someone charge you probably
00:57:16
got a bunch of battery ready to go right
00:57:19
I'm sure there's probably also some like
00:57:21
limits to like how low of a battery
00:57:23
it'll work with and some other stuff
00:57:25
like that but you're right most people
00:57:26
when they are that desperate for charge
00:57:28
they need like two miles yeah totally so
00:57:31
I love that my sister has a model 3 and
00:57:33
she uh her battery died like a mile from
00:57:36
her house and she had to call a tow
00:57:37
truck to tow her to her house see your
00:57:41
house down the block yeah and it cost
00:57:43
her like
00:57:44
$500 yeah cuz it was at 2 in the morning
00:57:47
did they dump it in the garage or the
00:57:48
driveway or whatever yeah into the
00:57:49
driveway to like push it up to the
00:57:51
charger yeah see yep if she only had a
00:57:54
friend with a lucid
00:57:55
which and a jum is probably less likely
00:57:57
but at 2 in the morning I mean my
00:57:59
question is can you use you probably
00:58:01
can't use this on any other car right
00:58:04
cuz I think C I think that they said
00:58:06
that the the Lucid have to like be able
00:58:09
to push the batter the power out yeah
00:58:12
and so they're they're issuing a
00:58:14
software update that allows it to do
00:58:16
that right as far as my understanding of
00:58:18
this the Lucid have the ability to send
00:58:20
power out and this this OTA update will
00:58:23
enable the B charging feature and it'll
00:58:26
probably have a handshake with this this
00:58:27
cable this jumper cable thing it would
00:58:29
be nice if it just worked on every car
00:58:31
every e that would be wild yeah well
00:58:34
that would be crazy cuz you could just
00:58:35
start siphoning battery from people's
00:58:37
cars and parking lots that's true so
00:58:39
maybe that's a good point maybe there
00:58:41
needs to be a software handshake but um
00:58:44
yeah F150 F-150 Lightning has a giant
00:58:46
battery and B directional it's
00:58:49
bidirectional but you need a special box
00:58:53
in your garage right for your house to
00:58:55
accept that charge so it's like doing a
00:58:59
handshake with the truck and then your
00:59:00
house and then your battery to your
00:59:01
truck is now the battery to your house
00:59:04
another great feature but I think the
00:59:05
car to car thing is just like super
00:59:08
convenient yeah definitely super into
00:59:10
that but speaking of cars okay Eevee
00:59:13
xiaomi has announced that they're making
00:59:16
a car well they didn't announce it
00:59:17
actually they applied for uh the right
00:59:20
to sell it which in China basically
00:59:22
reveals your entire product so now we
00:59:23
see the entire product
00:59:25
and it is the xiaomi su7 it's an
00:59:27
electric sedan and not going to lie it
00:59:31
kind of looks good I think it looks
00:59:33
really good kind of looks good I I was
00:59:35
not I wasn't sure what to expect I feel
00:59:37
like with xiaomi they kind of just make
00:59:40
everything so it could look like
00:59:42
anything but when you look at these
00:59:44
articles and these pictures it kind of
00:59:47
has Vibes of like seven different oems
00:59:50
in a good way I feel like it has like
00:59:52
sort of McLaren headlights a little bit
00:59:54
of like genesis to the front and the
00:59:56
face I see some Porsche in the front
00:59:59
hood there's a little model 3 a little
01:00:00
model 3 a little bit of Tian I kind of
01:00:03
like the the the wheels with the spokes
01:00:05
actually reminds me of the rivan wheels
01:00:07
Believe It or Not wow um you get to the
01:00:10
back it's got more Tian it's got a light
01:00:12
bar across the back cool it's a solid
01:00:16
looking machine there's um a Founders
01:00:19
Edition badge on the side there's got a
01:00:22
there's an active rear wing that's a
01:00:24
it's just a good it's a good looking
01:00:26
little car they've made here I think
01:00:28
it's they said it's there's a re World
01:00:29
drive or a dual motor version there's a
01:00:32
three specs three trims yeah this the
01:00:35
best part about this car is it yes I
01:00:38
guess it's right in line with xiaomi uh
01:00:41
there will be an su7 an su7 Pro and su7
01:00:46
Max are they all the same size I think
01:00:48
it's just power trim like what does it
01:00:50
mean to be professional driver if you're
01:00:52
not actually professionally driving
01:00:55
I guess that's just up to or a Max
01:00:57
driver what happens what does it mean to
01:00:58
be a Max driver has there never been a
01:01:00
car named Pro or Max before I guess not
01:01:02
doubt it I want to say there hasn't been
01:01:05
and why is there no Pro Max great point
01:01:08
I don't know I think it's just literally
01:01:11
like one of them is a rear wheel drive
01:01:13
one of is all wheeel drive and then you
01:01:15
know top top spec trim probably my
01:01:17
question is how expensive this is going
01:01:19
to be because it looks really nice and
01:01:22
generally xiaomi stuff is like very very
01:01:25
affordable yeah so we don't know the
01:01:27
price but it is gonna start Mass
01:01:29
Manufacturing in December yes in a month
01:01:33
I kind of want to do like a an educated
01:01:35
guess based on what we know mhm so we'll
01:01:38
probably never see this on this side of
01:01:39
the Atlantic like guess it's just it's a
01:01:41
xiaomi car so I'm just going to have to
01:01:44
like translate to what I think the US
01:01:46
dollar equivalent would be but like a
01:01:48
car like this which is a full-size
01:01:51
electric sedan I assume
01:01:55
with moderately decent performance I'm
01:01:57
trying to come up with a comp somewhere
01:01:59
in the like ionic 5 range maybe a little
01:02:03
higher end with that active spoiler a
01:02:05
little sportier maybe ionic what was the
01:02:07
ionic 6 is the one with that we had here
01:02:10
kind of feels like a
01:02:12
$40,000 ionic 6 type thing that would be
01:02:14
amazing wouldn't that be cool for 40
01:02:16
Grand that'd be amazing it looks really
01:02:18
good total guess yeah uh it also runs an
01:02:21
OS that can also be run on smartphones
01:02:24
so that's hilarious this is similar to
01:02:27
the pstar phone that they're going to
01:02:29
make that is made like specifically to
01:02:32
go with wa car there's a what were you
01:02:35
did you miss that week yeah the postar
01:02:37
phone postar phone yeah no way I'm
01:02:40
looking this up right now yeah it was it
01:02:41
was uh they're going to be making a
01:02:43
phone that is uh with God what is the
01:02:45
what is the brand it's a Chinese OEM
01:02:48
that's basically making it for them but
01:02:49
it's made to go with their car wow and
01:02:52
the os's like work directly together
01:02:55
I mean that makes perfect sense like in
01:02:57
the same way that if Apple made a car it
01:03:00
would probably work best with an iPhone
01:03:01
right there's probably tons of
01:03:03
integration stuff you can do from maps
01:03:05
to like yeah yeah everything would work
01:03:07
best with that yeah I'm guessing this is
01:03:09
like an Android Base and then they're
01:03:11
going to have their phones also run the
01:03:13
same Android Base and then when you hook
01:03:15
your xiaomi phone up to the shiai car it
01:03:19
probably has like special Integrations
01:03:21
and just works really seamlessly with it
01:03:22
which makes a lot of sense it's EX how
01:03:24
Apple would do that is really funny yeah
01:03:26
meu yeah forar mhm and meu is owned by G
01:03:32
which is like a huge Chinese Auto which
01:03:34
also owns postar I thought so they so
01:03:37
gilee owns Volvo too yeah poar are Volvo
01:03:40
yeah isn't it crazy that one company
01:03:42
makes Volvo ego waffles and uhon and
01:03:47
these hands they own ego no I just made
01:03:50
that up that was not that was a joke
01:03:52
okay that one was made up but but it
01:03:54
sounds a lot like the one that wasn't
01:03:55
made of could you never know yeah uh
01:03:59
that is really funny okay one company
01:04:01
does own Minecraft and Skype though
01:04:04
Microsoft Microsoft yeah Minecraft and
01:04:06
Skype also World of Warcraft and
01:04:08
Linkedin LinkedIn World of Warcraft and
01:04:10
GitHub and chat GPT and GitHub but not
01:04:12
chat PT but sort
01:04:15
of sorry sorry get back to the more or
01:04:17
less yes um yeah so much for that Sony
01:04:21
car I don't think that was ever going to
01:04:23
come out I mean we did see a physical
01:04:25
representation of it at CES was that two
01:04:27
two CES ago I think it might have been
01:04:29
last year I think it might have been
01:04:30
both of the last two years yeah they
01:04:32
make a lot of concept cars yeah the Aila
01:04:34
or whatever it was called yeah the Aila
01:04:36
and then everyone
01:04:37
went nah we don't really want this but
01:04:41
you know it looked kind of decent this
01:04:42
one looks better good for xiaomi yeah
01:04:44
cool design seems like it's actually
01:04:45
going to ship soon so we'll keep an eye
01:04:47
on that crazy that a company that
01:04:48
started as a as an Android ROM
01:04:52
became this
01:04:54
it's crazy makes everything and cars
01:04:57
they're versatile yeah insane see how it
01:04:59
goes I mean with a car there's like so
01:05:00
many parts that you you inevitably need
01:05:02
to be made and sourced from other
01:05:04
suppliers like I'm sure I say I'm sure
01:05:07
but I don't know I'm pretty sure xiaomi
01:05:09
is not making the windshield wiper
01:05:11
actuators and like every single little
01:05:12
piece of the car the tires will come
01:05:14
from someone else whatever could but you
01:05:16
never know you know they'll probably
01:05:18
make a bunch of pieces of this car
01:05:19
they'll make the displays probably
01:05:20
they'll probably make the the camera
01:05:21
systems for all the sensors all around
01:05:23
the car the light R stuff cool yeah all
01:05:25
right well the other thing I wanted to
01:05:27
shout out shout out was uh the Pulstar 4
01:05:30
uh which will not have a back window at
01:05:32
all yeah and instead it'll just have a
01:05:35
camera on the back and it'll project the
01:05:37
rear view camera feed on the rearview
01:05:39
mirror which is a screen yep is that
01:05:41
legal it's legal yeah there are other
01:05:44
cars that have done it yeah there's
01:05:45
other cars there's lots of trucks that
01:05:46
do this already it's just kind of
01:05:49
inconvenient it's kind of weird it's
01:05:52
it's like this the really really sloped
01:05:54
back windshield for this postar 4 so if
01:05:56
you see any photos or videos of the poar
01:05:57
4 if you did have that opening there it
01:06:00
would be a pretty small rearview mirror
01:06:03
window uh so theoretically this could
01:06:05
give you better visibility yeah it says
01:06:07
120° field of view which is way more
01:06:09
than you'd normally get yeah but it also
01:06:12
feels
01:06:13
like they didn't have to do
01:06:16
that you know Evergreen yeah but it
01:06:20
looks cool actually yeah it looks pretty
01:06:22
cool there's a Verge article on someone
01:06:24
from The Verge that went and played with
01:06:26
it for a while and they were really
01:06:28
really positive on it they were saying
01:06:29
they really really liked it I feel
01:06:31
better about that then yeah and that
01:06:33
nighttime visibility was really good
01:06:34
that you don't get like glare that you'd
01:06:36
normally get like CU it can reduce like
01:06:39
highlights so you can actually see
01:06:40
instead of being blinded what throws me
01:06:42
off about it is like if you look at some
01:06:43
of the pictures in the back seat like if
01:06:45
you sit back there it's just like an
01:06:47
enclosed cabin like that might be I'm
01:06:50
just the more I think about this this
01:06:51
might be a good thing but that's weird
01:06:53
like what if you're on a road trip you
01:06:54
can't just look back you're like stuck
01:06:56
that's true you can't look back but have
01:06:59
you ever been driving at night and the
01:07:00
person behind you has the high beams on
01:07:02
and it's just blasting the inside of
01:07:04
your car I hate that that will never
01:07:06
happen again never happen true that's a
01:07:08
great point it's closed yeah but
01:07:09
wouldn't that be worse cuz it would just
01:07:11
be blowing out your camera no the camera
01:07:14
can can solve for that yeah can it Sol
01:07:16
it can solve for high beams being fired
01:07:18
yeah can like reduce highlights by a ton
01:07:20
or it has a mode where you can switch it
01:07:22
to just be a regular mirror but it but
01:07:25
then you just see the inside of your own
01:07:26
car yeah but it's better than seeing
01:07:27
high beams yeah yeah I'm not
01:07:30
sold should one here and try it yeah I
01:07:33
guess so we should get one I I read a
01:07:35
book in middle school called the last
01:07:37
book in the universe this was a one of
01:07:38
those young adult postapocalyptic novels
01:07:40
and a big part of the book is that cars
01:07:42
in the post-apocalypse do not have
01:07:45
Windows and only have cameras really and
01:07:48
so read seeing this I'm just like all
01:07:51
right wow okay yeah there's a there's a
01:07:54
couple of cars that we've tested that
01:07:56
have the option where you can flip
01:07:58
between a real mirror and a camera feed
01:08:01
yeah and it see that actually always
01:08:03
works so maybe I shouldn't be it works
01:08:04
pretty well I tend to stick with the
01:08:07
regular mirror but I do appreciate a
01:08:09
good camera feed so I guess if it can
01:08:11
solve for crazy headlights and stuff I I
01:08:13
don't see why it wouldn't be a decent
01:08:15
idea yeah yeah I'd love to try it got to
01:08:17
try it yeah all right all right quick
01:08:20
hits uh yeah we got a couple quick hits
01:08:22
here so NASA is launching a NASA plus
01:08:25
streaming service but do not fear it is
01:08:27
free which yeah I I don't think I can
01:08:29
name all the planets and maybe after
01:08:31
watching NASA plus he will be able to uh
01:08:34
yeah it's a free streaming services it's
01:08:35
going to have it's going to have
01:08:36
documentaries it's going to have like a
01:08:38
bunch of just NASA videos it's going to
01:08:40
be awesome and it's free which is great
01:08:43
uh much better than paying for another
01:08:44
Subscription Service um this other thing
01:08:47
happened where wait sorry what can you
01:08:49
watch on naso plus uh like documentaries
01:08:52
about space and stuff oh I thought it
01:08:53
was going to be like live telescope
01:08:54
feeds and stuff they probably have that
01:08:56
kind of stuff I think you can watch live
01:08:59
rocket launch stream that seems cool too
01:09:02
can we fact check this it says Emmy
01:09:04
winning live shows okay original
01:09:08
series
01:09:10
um there's also a space out series
01:09:14
tagged under NASA and chill which are 30
01:09:17
minute shows featuring incred incredible
01:09:19
shots of planets and space stuff all
01:09:22
backed by chill music love that yo want
01:09:24
to NASA and chill later so this is
01:09:26
basically uh like blue planet except for
01:09:29
space planet planet planet planet planet
01:09:34
nice space planets yeah okay cool I
01:09:37
think it's fun really exciting uh last
01:09:39
hly who else can do this what other like
01:09:42
organization or company can launch like
01:09:44
a live streaming subscri David David
01:09:48
what other organization can launch uh
01:09:51
the esa what is that the
01:09:55
uh last little hit here is there was
01:09:57
some news going around this week uh
01:10:00
someone was reading the terms and
01:10:02
conditions of buying a cyber truck and
01:10:04
it said that you could not sell it
01:10:05
within a year of purchasing this one
01:10:07
threw me for a loop some people were
01:10:08
like oh it's because it's going to be so
01:10:10
bad that people are not going to want to
01:10:12
get are going to want to get rid of it
01:10:13
but they can't some people said it was
01:10:16
because uh there's going to be a lot of
01:10:17
scalpers that are trying to flip them
01:10:19
for higher amounts of money um and
01:10:21
people were kind of freaking out about
01:10:23
this in general and then they redacted
01:10:25
it so that's no longer the case the
01:10:28
funny thing about the Cyber truck is
01:10:29
there has been so much hype for it that
01:10:33
there will guaranteed be flippers yeah
01:10:35
guaranteed like if you have an early Vin
01:10:38
the thing that flew me through me for a
01:10:40
loop is we have the uh the rivian here
01:10:44
as the truck that we use for all the
01:10:45
work like we do with autofocus videos
01:10:47
yeah and we have a cybertruck order so
01:10:49
my plan was to get the cyber truck
01:10:53
evaluate the two side by side shoot with
01:10:55
it work with both and then decide which
01:10:56
one's better and keep it and sell the
01:10:59
other one MH and then this article comes
01:11:01
out that's like if you want to sell the
01:11:03
cybertruck within a year Tesla will sue
01:11:05
you for 50 Grand or whatever and I was
01:11:08
like oh well I guess we have to keep it
01:11:11
for a year at least which sounds
01:11:13
terrible but they took it back yeah I I
01:11:15
always found it fascinating how a car
01:11:17
manufacturers fight against scalpers I
01:11:19
know and like resellers and all that
01:11:20
stuff it's inevitable lots of F150
01:11:22
Lightnings get sold for 100k over just
01:11:25
absurd markups for like hard to get EVS
01:11:27
so this will be one of them isn't there
01:11:29
a sports car brand that will not let you
01:11:31
sell your car or won't even let you do
01:11:33
stuff to your car like skin it or
01:11:36
whatever so there are there are there
01:11:38
are companies that go to various extreme
01:11:41
levels of protecting their brand when it
01:11:44
comes to not only buying the cars but
01:11:47
using the cars uh Ferrari is maybe the
01:11:50
most notorious of them all they when you
01:11:52
buy a car
01:11:54
still kind of act like they own the car
01:11:58
my my favorite story is uh when Joel
01:12:00
dead mouse uh wrapped his Ferrari with
01:12:03
like the nean cat on the side of it uh
01:12:06
they sent him a cease and desist they
01:12:08
were like you can't parade this car
01:12:10
around with a Ferrari logo and that on
01:12:13
it it's like it's my car they're like
01:12:15
well you can't do it so it's our car
01:12:17
send it back sell it cist they sent him
01:12:20
that legal paperwork so he got rid of it
01:12:22
and he got a Lamborghini instead and
01:12:23
named it the puron and did the same WAP
01:12:26
so I thought that was great but like
01:12:27
Ferrari will only let you buy cars if
01:12:30
you've already bought other certain cars
01:12:32
Ferrari will only let certain collectors
01:12:34
have access to like first dibs on cars
01:12:36
crazy they don't love people flipping
01:12:38
cars and this has trickled down into
01:12:41
into Porsche into even some EV
01:12:44
manufacturers so it's it's real yeah
01:12:46
it's real uh the 4D GT story is another
01:12:49
famous one you could not when you bought
01:12:51
the car you like signed a contract that
01:12:53
you couldn't sell it it's crazy I own
01:12:55
the thing I should to sell it so Tesla
01:12:58
you know explored this idea a little bit
01:13:01
added it and then took it back yeah damn
01:13:04
crazy that's it for our quick hits with
01:13:06
that let's get into
01:13:09
trivia I have both my answers already
01:13:12
written so I'm just going to cover the
01:13:14
other one when I read the first one okay
01:13:16
before we do this trivia question just
01:13:18
want to say when we were talking about
01:13:20
alternative Space streaming orgs should
01:13:24
have shouted out ISRO Indian space
01:13:26
research organization literally put a
01:13:29
Lander on the Moon this year they did we
01:13:32
did not even talk about that they did
01:13:33
the chreon 3 mission so anyway yeah
01:13:37
sorry about that now back to the
01:13:40
trivia so dbrand has been around for
01:13:44
quite some time but one year before
01:13:46
their launch Taylor Swift released a
01:13:49
phone skin as merch along with her third
01:13:52
studio album speak now what year did
01:13:56
speak now come out
01:13:59
in I'm just taking a guess here but I'm
01:14:03
I think I don't have much information
01:14:05
I'm trying to go with an educated guest
01:14:07
based on the first time I ever skinned a
01:14:10
dbrand phone oh which I'm going to guess
01:14:12
is either the first or second year the
01:14:14
dbrand ever existed MH and so I think
01:14:17
this was like
01:14:19
2013 so what did you just give me so I
01:14:22
cuz you already wrote your answer oh so
01:14:24
I wrote I wrote
01:14:26
2012 dang it I wrote
01:14:29
2011 speak now was released in 201 2010
01:14:34
2011 was the birth of D brand so close
01:14:37
wait I thought it was when did the album
01:14:39
come out yes yeah one year before dbrand
01:14:42
so that's right for dbrand oh speaking
01:14:44
now came out in 2009
01:14:46
10 and then dbr I was right oh my god
01:14:51
wow so you guessed dbr correctly but I
01:14:54
got the question wrong damn the slow
01:14:56
turn to look at what you wrote is what
01:14:59
sent me all right so I kind of got the
01:15:01
answer right kind of unfortunately but
01:15:04
not damn right wrong places what is
01:15:07
Andrew's twitch
01:15:10
handle I think this is
01:15:12
right is it is it or is it his Steam
01:15:16
username it's Andy kitten
01:15:20
6782 or is it his Twitter username
01:15:24
so many
01:15:25
options too many usernames we should
01:15:27
just get
01:15:29
one like I don't know MKBHD or something
01:15:31
like that social I will uh I will admit
01:15:35
that the first time I ever met Andrew I
01:15:37
thought that his last name was mangelia
01:15:39
well he's in my phone as Andrew Melia
01:15:42
nice and I have not changed it flip him
01:15:45
and
01:15:45
[Music]
01:15:46
read uh is it Jolly
01:15:50
Roger I put Andy manganelli
01:15:54
oh fake fans the correct answer is
01:15:57
Andrew manganelli are you kidding me I
01:16:00
do not know where you got jly rer no
01:16:03
what is this from now this is like a
01:16:06
what is this from Andrew what is this
01:16:07
from this is kind of a trick question
01:16:09
Andrew what is this from cuz I thought
01:16:10
it was going to be different from an
01:16:11
actual name yeah I know that's why I put
01:16:13
it in there thanks if you had no idea
01:16:15
you could have just put his name and you
01:16:16
would have got it right wow oh my God
01:16:19
what is this from well that'll do it for
01:16:21
this week's episode back to regularly
01:16:23
scheduled programming which is not to
01:16:25
say we don't have more bonus content in
01:16:27
the works I'm just saying it's
01:16:29
definitely Friday today that's all wink
01:16:31
wink wink wink yeah sorry to everyone
01:16:33
that we uh made think it was Friday on
01:16:34
Wednesday yeah but you know glad that
01:16:37
you're listening but it was worth it it
01:16:38
was again great episode go watch it go
01:16:40
listen to it it's awesome that's it rock
01:16:43
and roll where's that
01:16:47
from we just got a really great comment
01:16:50
on our uh on this video and that's a
01:16:54
phone freaking fact that none of us
01:16:56
encountered when we were researching
01:16:58
this really the earliest phone freakers
01:17:01
were people who either were blind or
01:17:03
were supporting blind people where
01:17:05
dialing a phone was very difficult and
01:17:08
you could dial a phone with just the
01:17:09
tones if you recorded them onto
01:17:11
something but it really took off when
01:17:14
someone discovered there was a whistle
01:17:16
in included in a box of Captain Crunch
01:17:20
that played exactly 2600 Herz and that
01:17:23
was the exact tone to start a
01:17:26
longdistance call wow on
01:17:29
AT&T exactly and so that fact was able
01:17:32
to spread through like the underground
01:17:34
like wildfire and that's what made
01:17:36
people really interested
01:17:38
Wildfire oh my God waveform is produced
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01:17:42
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01:17:44
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01:17:52
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you can you can buy the Christmas tree
01:18:19
now but don't you dare put it up before
01:18:21
my birthday that's
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that's you know I never took mine down
01:18:25
from last year it's still there
01:18:29
really sh when did you put it up last
01:18:32
year uh in like on like December 22nd or
01:18:36
something yeah it's 23rd I don't know D
01:18:40
yeah but I accidentally destroyed the
01:18:42
lights on it so it's just got a bunch of
01:18:44
dead lights hung around it it's
01:18:46
fine I have this pillar in the middle of
01:18:49
my apartment that is there for no reason
01:18:51
it's like a support beam for the whole
01:18:52
building thing that's a reason
