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Doesn't the regulator clock regulate time? Oh, yeah. The regulator clock is the thing that the planets check when
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they're making sure they're like doing their orbits correctly. Are the planets genlocked?
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Damn, that's an that's you got a laugh from back there. I can't tell everything's that's
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hilarious.
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Yo, what is good people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David and we're coming at you live. Not really, but I like saying it. We're
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coming at you live from Pino. It's live for us. Yeah. Uh yeah, from from Apple Park. This is
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we're recording this on Wednesday like usual. And if you remember what happened this week as you listen on Friday,
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Tuesday, yesterday for us was the September Apple event. So that's most of
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what we have thoughts on and what we're going to be talking about this week. Uh, you can see that Adam and Ellis are over here at a really tall professional
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looking desk. No, we're just standing. I don't know how I feel about both of you having microphones, but it is a new look.
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It is weird. That's uncomfortable. My favorite thing is that I am now like 2 feet above both all of you, so I just
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stare down at all of you guys. Yeah, you're kind of staring us down up there. But yeah, we do we have a lot of stuff to go through.
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You may have already watched the impressions videos and the things we've posted about the various iPhone 17s,
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AirPods, watches. Now we can get into the weeds on thoughts and conspiracy theories and reactions and things that
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we all have experienced uh with with this new stuff. Where do we begin?
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All right. I I think we should begin. The first thing I want to ask is so some of you guys were at the event, some of
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us watched the live stream, right? I heard there were three good mornings to start this off.
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So, this is a little thing some people may know or may not know that, you know, when you watch the keynote online, you
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see the pre-recorded video. When you go to an Apple event, specifically like the September event like we were at or WWDC,
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they play that video for all of us. But if it's a 9:00 event, right at about
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8:59, usually Tim Cook, an Apple executive, comes on stage and goes, "Hey, welcome
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to the event." and like warms up the crowd and then they play the for like 15 seconds.
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So what happened was Tim Cook Yeah. came out, you know, a minute before the start time. He hit us with a triple good
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morning. Good morning. True. And was, you know, this is a very big day for the iPhone, things like that.
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Triple tap. And then they played the video for us. So yeah, we got a triple. The triple good morning sounds like a great way to start the morning.
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You put that into Slack and I was very upset because I was waiting for the good mornings and we didn't see it in the stream. Yeah. Only the Yeah. theater got the
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triple. We got some recordings. Yeah. Um, I also want to start off before we get into any of the products. The
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opening scene of this event I think was one of my favorites in a few years. Apple loves transitions. They love
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opening scenes. They love montages. This is like a really simple product focused
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one that started with like a bunch of different circular pieces of products or UI elements that then went into squirles
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like the Mac Studio and then went into hearts and all these different things. And the I think my favorite transition was a like robot shot down into a
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MagSafe charger which opened and then the pins turned into the typing indicator of like iMessage and then I
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think that turned into dynamic island with like AirPods connecting. Usually in the past it's like all these
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different setups of people using Apple products and it's whatever. But I thought this one was like product
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focused and really cool way of seeing all their different, you know, things that happen in software and products
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together and these awesome match cuts. Yeah, it was a nice design homage. It was a really good design homage.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, then uh they basically got right into it with the products after that. Yeah. So many products.
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There's a bunch of different orders we could do this. Do you want to do like the small ones first and then the phones after? I think so. But I wouldn't even say that
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they're necessarily small because the AirPods Pro 3 I did get to try at the event.
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All right, let's start there. They are smaller than sounded amazing. They are smaller than the iPhone. They are um they're not as thin as the iPhone
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Air, which we'll get into later. Uh yeah, let's start with AirPods Pro 3, I think. So, obviously, we had AirPods
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Pro 2 for a very long period of time. And uh they finally introduced the three, which I don't think anyone was
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really expecting. Maybe a smaller case, but you were expecting them. Well, we were expecting like a slightly
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smaller case for AirPods. We didn't know whether or not they were actually going to be like redesigned in any given way,
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but they are actually quite redesigned. I mean, they look mostly the same, but the shape of the bulb is actually quite
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different. Um, and the way that it fits in your ear is also different. And you know, every single year that
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they they go through this whole thing where they say, "We measured and scanned 10,000 people's ears." ears and I'm
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like, damn, every year people's ears are changing size apparently. Um, but one of the biggest things
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probably is that they now have this like they have a new ear tip that's a hybrid foam design.
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Yeah. So, it has foam on the inside. Uh, but it still uses the silicone on the outside, which is kind of interesting.
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And obviously that should be helping with sound isolation. They quote 2x better A&C over AirPods Pro 2.
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That's a lot. It is a lot because AirPods Pro 2 have quite good ANC, I would say.
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Yeah. Well, for earbuds compar I don't know. I think they're pretty good. I've been using the Bose a lot and
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they're just like not really comparable. Sure. Yeah. But um also I believe an Ellis can
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can kind of like fact check this, but I believe that sound is like logarithmic,
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right? So like a 2x increase in A&C, wouldn't that just be like 3dB? Oh man, here goes. I Our timer's ticking
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right now. Well, it's like uh you know perceived loudness. They could have meant like so uh oh man
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sweetie if they meant two times the the frequency bandwidth you know ANC is really hard to do on
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high frequencies. So maybe they meant that you can go twice as high and there's plenty of ways that could work but yeah like sound like the way you
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measure all energy is on a logarithmic scale. So, if they meant two times as much volume of noise cancelling, that
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would be 3dB, which um yeah, it's something. It's something. It's something. I would
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say it's like something that probably like 50% of people would be able to notice, but I don't know if that's what they meant. Well, they said that they had like also
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increased AI algorithms to like, you know, know the noise around you and try to cancel that out. And I had my AirPods
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Pro 2 with me and they had demo units of AirPods Pro 3. It was actually very funny. They walked around with this little case. They kind of look like
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chocolates like or they do. Did you take one? Yeah, I took one. Okay, cool. Well, they do that though so
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they can clean the ear tips, right? Cuz then not everyone. But it is funny to think about like passing orders. Yeah, I
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had my AirPods Pro 2 with me and so I was able to do like a direct comparison between mine and the three
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and the three. I would say the the biggest thing was that it was able to actually see like hear the noise around
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it and cancel it out much more evenly cuz I put mine in and the ANC was like
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fighting trying to understand the noise around me because there's all these voices and it was so loud and I was playing music and it just couldn't it
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couldn't cancel everything out clearly. whereas you put the three in and they've got the different design bulbs so they
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sit differently in your ear and they're tighter in your ear but everything just kind of goes like
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yeah it's and it was surprisingly good. It seems like that's going to be the uh well we can get into the other features
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but the most noticeable thing the better cancellation plus the better tips should help them fit in your ear better plus
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the angle that they go into your ear is a little bit different. So all these things yeah combined should help them sound
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better especially with A and C on. Yeah. There's a couple other things too. Yeah, IP57 for the first time. I kind of
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actually thought they already had an IP rating, but IP57 for the first time in AirPods Pro 3. And the case is also
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sweat resistant, so if you sweat a lot, rest assured. Uh, and then also a heart
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rate sensor. So, we just saw this in the Power Beats Pro. This is slightly different because the sensor is smaller
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and the buds themselves are smaller, but same idea, which is if you don't have something else measuring your heart rate and you want to do a workout and measure
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your heart rate, the earbuds will be your heart rate monitor, which I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems
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like if you have both a watch and the uh headphones, it will pick whichever one is most accurate at that time. It
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doesn't tell you which one you're using, but I believe it uses like both together and then sort of takes like a
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probably some algorithmic magic. Yeah. I also my kind of theory and Apple's not doing a ring so it doesn't fit with just
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Apple, but I feel like more heart rate sensors in other places are so people can start wearing normal watches again.
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There's I think there's a lot of watch fans out there. Let's go. Like Adam over there who want to wear
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the like watch collection but still want to be able to track certain Yeah. Just give me like a loop thing in
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a trail loop. Well, I mean now if you're running in your headphones, you can still get all your information and wear your normal
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watch. Yeah. If it's anything like I think it was the Beats that did this, wasn't it? That had the heart rate sensor in it. People were
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testing it between the headphones and the watch and it's like I'd rather use the watch. It's not like the Beats were
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like terrible or anything. It's just the watch was more accurate. Yeah. Do we know if it's more accurate? Well, people were wearing like chest
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straps and multiple watches and running and using the chest strap as the default and then comparing all of them. This is
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the thing, and this is me not really knowing that much about it, but I feel like the watch has so many generations to improve and get more accurate and
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calibrate, even though the back of the wrist isn't the best place to measure your heart rate. They've gotten it pretty good over the years, and I
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suspect that this will also get better over the years, but as of right now, it's just like you either have it or you
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don't. So, you it's nice to have it. Yeah, they have these two little windows on the AirPods now that basically shine infrared light
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like into your like ear area and it measures 256 times a second to measure
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light absorption in your blood flow. I I think they've had those forever because the the skin detection has been optical
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since I want to say the first pros, but was was it not them that we were testing like what objects inside the office
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would trick it as skin and the like the There were almost no objects in our
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studio that it we could fool it with skin like even like leather or like other organic materials. There was like
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a handful of like siliconey sort of things that we could fool it into thinking was skin but other than that the optical stuff is
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pretty good. Yeah. They uh they also have increased battery life now. So eight hours of ANC
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versus the previous six. They made a big deal about saying you can now do a transatlantic flight. Yeah.
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So you can fly from New York to California and not have your AirPods tag. Nope. Wait, that's not transatlantic.
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New York toond. It sounds like a lot of Apple employees do. They London flight and they just
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wanted to be able to get there. Five and a half hours. It's probably a little longer than Trans
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American flight. Oh, you're right. transatlantic. Transcontinental.
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Yeah. Well, so that's nice. I mean, now 8 hours can do New York to San Francisco
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and back. What? What? No. I wish I wish we got back in two hours
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tomorrow. I mean, if you don't if you wait while you're taking off and we don't understand planes on this podcast.
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How do planes stay up for We've established this. Well, on top of
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that, it's also 10 hours on a single charge with transparency mode, which is four more than previously. So, if you
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want to listen to everyone on a flight across twice, then you can do that. Absolutely not.
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Yeah, the price the price stays the same. So, overall, looks like a pretty solid update. Um, there's also a new
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live translation feature. It is not an AirPods 3 exclusive. It is a H2 dependent, but
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uh they are claiming to be able to do live translation with powered by Apple.
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at me. He's looking dead into my soul. Just curious if anyone has any thoughts about that. I'll believe it when I see it. Okay.
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It was a really quick demo. It felt sandwiched between like an IP rating and a silicone tip which felt really quick.
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As as cringey as Google's event was with the Jimmy Fallon experience, blah blah blah, whatever. Them doing that live
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translation demo like for an audience that was there was much more technically challenging than Apple just showing us a
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video of it working. Cuz how many times have we seen a demo of an Apple feature? head into my eyes. No, no, no, no. This is I'm talking
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about like Apple Yeah. doing a video about an Apple intelligence feature and showing it to
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us and being like, "See, trust us, it'll work." Yeah. Versus a live demo. Also, the video of it working. Apple
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really still has not gotten that natural voice down on the like Siri and the
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translation stuff. Like Google has this very sort of natural tone and like cadence to the translation features,
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but when it showed it on the video, the Apple video, it sounded very robotic, like Robo Siri. Yeah. And it takes a
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while. I don't know how they're measuring live because, you know, you finish your sentence, it's like beat
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beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat and then it starts talking and I know that's just waiting for you to finish talking but if
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you're having a conversation like that it's pretty slow paced. Yeah, we will definitely try it. This is
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a firstg lots of these live translation things are firstg. We want to see if they work but does feel a little bit
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magical. I need a babble fish directly in my ears so that everything just comes out in English. Well, new new watch watches as
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well. Uh, watch series 11 watch SE3 and Ultra
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3. These are probably the least changed products of the entire No, they're definitely the least
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lineup of the whole lineup. The watches never changed that much. I mean, last year we got a thinner watch,
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the Series 10. The 10 like looked noticeably different than all the other ones in a cool way. For sure. Yeah, it was much thinner and
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and all that, but like Series 11, it's introducing features that are also coming to the older watches, so it's not
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that different. The main things on the Series 11 are they made the glass 2x as scratch resistant, just like they do for
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all the glass every single year. Nice. Um, they added 5G connectivity if you
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want that for some reason. Um, slightly more efficient than the 4G. Yeah, probably the biggest upgrade,
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honestly, is that the battery life is now quoted at 24 hours instead of 18. Yeah. So, that's, you know, it can last
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you a full even more all day. Even more all day. All day. Exactly. All day battery life.
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Yeah. Um same price. $3.99. Yeah, you know, now that I'm thinking about it, every
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single product that we're talking about today got a bump up in battery life except for the one that's new, which is
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the Air. Well, you can't bump up something that's new, right? I'm just saying everything else got better battery and then they were
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like, "Also, here's the Air." We'll get there. Trying to skip all of our notes and go
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there. Um, but I am like happy to see good battery stuff. Yeah, that's Yeah. So, that's most of the stuff in the series 11. Next thing,
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Ultra 3. Um, you now get the wide angle OLED that you got in the Series 10 on
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the Ultra 3. Mhm. You now get satellite connectivity if you're uh, you know, out in the Alps and
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you break your leg. Bigger display. Uh, yeah. Okay. So, they said this, this was confusing.
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Smaller bezels, bezels. Yeah. But the thing is with the Series 10, they had smaller bezels that made a
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bigger display, but they quoted the display as being physically larger. But I looked at all the specs and the
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display is quoted as being the same size. It's probably not more than a tenth of an inch bigger.
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It's probably technically slightly larger, but not enough for them to write a different number. But yeah, I mean,
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but they will still say it's bigger. Yeah, they'll say it's bigger for the keynote, but let's be real, the Ultra 3 is very similar. It actually also has a
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slight battery bump from a slightly larger physical capacity battery inside, which again, thumbs up to that. Uh
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they're rating it 42 hours. Very nice and same price and everything, but yeah,
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otherwise basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh SE3 is actually probably the biggest
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watch update. Wait, sorry, can I go back on one thing? Is this difference in satellite connectivity this year that it was only
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emergency SOS before and now it's adding things? Now you can do like iMessage and find my
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stuff. That's cool. I think that is a pretty sweet. I actually have a satellite iMessage story uh from someone we met yesterday. No, for
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my own for my get this, I have a life. It's sick. But it goes to a different school.
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Yeah. It's like seeing your teacher at the Someone very special to me was doing some hiking in sort of like the King's
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Yeah. But they were doing not Adam was doing King's Canyon uh hiking King's Canyon a
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few weeks ago and um way, you know, no service anywhere out there in the back country. And it was very very nice to
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get like a once a day just like, "Hey, still alive. This is what we did today." Blah blah blah. And it was also kind of fun to, this is going to sound crazy, to
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have a character limit in your texts again, like it really, you wanted to like max it out, but
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because my phone belongs in a retirement home um after she got back to uh
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civilization and had service again, my phone would not believe that she was still not on satellite connectivity. And
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so every time I tried to send a text in just like normal life, I had the 4 or 500 character limit and it wouldn't let
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me send pictures. And and this is like for a week. And uh and the funniest part was every time I would send a text, it would be
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like just, you know, this is a satellite text. Like it's going to go through that whole thing. It would try the satellite would fail and then it would just send
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as a but if I tried to send a picture, it'd be like, yo, they're on satellite. Like nothing you can do, bro.
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While we're on the topic of your phone, what's your battery life right now? Ooh, price is right. The new satellite connectivity, you can
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do location also, right? Yes. On the watch, which was not available previously.
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Yeah, correct. Guys, my phone has This is So, my phone has been unplugged for approximately 3
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hours. What is my battery life? 45. 45. 47.
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47. 48. 48. Damn. You got to give me a little more credit than that, guys. I think I was going to say 55, but
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it's 54. 54. You would have been over prices, right? I would have lost. That's why I did 48. Yeah, you actually did win.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um the SOS thing is free for the first two years. For the first two years, they also
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extended the emergency SOS from the original Ultra for another year for people. The satellite um satellite
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emergency. Do they have pricing on what that's going to be? No. No. Cool. No. No. And I think there's some some Apple
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person like kicking that can down the road every time it comes up to the end of the year. They're like, I don't like the way the headphone the
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headlines look with me like deciding saving your life is worth $29 a month or something. So, just another year,
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which on on the note of saving your life. Um, oh man, this this montage at the beginning of
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the Apple Watch segment was the most you're going to die if you don't have an Apple Watch that Apple's ever done. I believe they used the phrase guardian
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angel at some point. Did they not? I don't know. I don't think I was watching the
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keynote. I was like, they do this every year. They're like, "If you have the watch, you won't die. If you don't have the watch, you'll die." And they get a
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little bit more sappy every year. Oh, I I fell. I was in a car crash or whatever. This one was just straight up
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like, "Yeah, I had a stroke and here's the footage." And like I and like all these like
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really dramatic stories which are very compelling and they make people get the watches and they do save lives. And one
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of these features with hypertension, it will save more lives. Yeah. But this video was I they were the
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most in I've ever seen. But it is it is it is a nice departure tone because I don't know if you guys remember the cinematic for the first
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Watch Ultra like a few years ago. Yeah. Where the the the the message wasn't this will save your life. It was like
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you will die, your bones will be dust, your flesh will be incinerated, and your watch ultra will outlive you.
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What was the one where there was like a bear inside? No, it's so funny because for all of
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these all of these things they reenact the situation and the bear one was the funniest one where like a bear broke
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into a woman's home and she has to like hide in the other room and they like reenact like Jurassic Park.
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This one was so weird. This one was so weird cuz they had like the guy had a stroke. He was like doing
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jumping jacks or something. They just falls on jump and ro Hey. Hey. Guardian Angel, by the way.
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That was the guardian angel. No, I do not see guardian angel. They didn't say that. No, I don't. Okay, I'm imagining it. Yeah, maybe
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they said something like that. It was accepted into your brain. I remember pausing at a certain phrase that they used and being like, "Wow,
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they're all in on this." They used the sad music for hardcore hardcore. Okay, but SE3 um probably the
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biggest update to the Apple Watch um the lineup this year because they basically
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made it almost as good as the Series 11. There's a chart that shows the differences between it and the Series 11
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and it's not a lot of stuff. It's it's like the slightly older design. But you still get always on display. It's
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still an OLED. It's still It does the gesture response now. It has 5G. It has
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a new system on chip. I think it's the S9, I believe. The S10. S10 now.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's the same chip as the Series 11. 24 hours of battery as well. So, functionally, it's going to feel like
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all the basics are there. And unless you want the like bleeding edge brand new design, this is probably the one to get.
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Yeah. And it's cheap. Yeah. It doesn't get quite as bright, but it has the stronger glass. It has fast charging now. It has like the
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double tap and wrist flick gestures. And you can play media from speakers now. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Who wants that? I
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I love hearing that when I'm on a nice quiet hike and someone passes. That when you're on a run and your music
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goes as your arm swing. Yeah.
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But yeah, this is I think it's it's still 249, right? Yeah. 249. It's good. So, we weren't correct in that it's plastic cuz it's
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not plastic. They're just using the old uh aluminum design, but true. Yeah, I think that's gonna be big for a
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lot of people. Like the slightly less thin. Yeah, you don't get quite as thin. Yeah. Yeah. There is one thing we missed on all of
00:21:44
these. Sleep score. Oh, right. Oh my gosh. So, there are two new features that are
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not specific to the new watches, but that are new. One of them is uh hypertension detection. Possible
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hypertension detection. It's just looking at your heart information, collecting data in a new way that may be
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able to alert you if you have signs consistent with hypertension, which is a very popular thing to have.
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So, I don't know if that's how I would describe
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high blood pressure is really in right now. You're not wrong. You're not wrong.
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That's what my doctor said, too. But the other thing, it's so so vogue. But the other thing is
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uh a sleep score. Yeah, it's fine. It never gave you a sleep score. It would tell you all about your sleep, but never just gave you a sleep score. Now they're
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going to give you a number one through 100. And they'll break it down in like duration, consistency, and one other factor. And you can give a you can get a
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like nice brief overview of like how'd I sleep? Oh, 94. Okay, nice. Like that was a good night. And that's new to the
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Apple Watch. I just thought of that. They should add that to the rings and competitions so we could be
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sleep. Well, cuz all of us make the competition so toxic and I know we're
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all destroying our sleep. Also, if it kept if it had if it had the slept as a ring, then maybe we would all be a
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little healthier. The ring is probably would probably be better than the freaking standing ring. The standing ring is the most annoying
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ring. It's annoying, but you should stand up. The activity ring, to be clear, is to encourage you while you're awake to have
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some sort of activity like standing and moving around when you sleep. sleeping.
00:23:21
You just want the best factors for your sleep, the most consistent going to sleep time and maybe some sort of sleep
00:23:27
hygiene bedtime routine type thing so you get better sleep. Yeah. And this may help you think about that
00:23:32
more. Yeah. I think it should be based on time slept so I can double the ring.
00:23:38
You have a I have a daughter that's not going to happen. Yeah, good luck with that. I've been sleeping on her floor lately.
00:23:43
that I would have a terrible system. Apple is definitely seeing all of the really the high popularity of all these smart rings and different wearables that
00:23:49
people have been getting into recently like Aura ring. There's a whole ecosystem developing on smart rings
00:23:54
right now. Y um and that was also a reaction to people not wanting to have to wear smart watches. But I think Apple is like well
00:24:01
we don't want you to have to, you know, wear a ring. You could just wear the watch. You could just wear the watch. Uh yeah, I would really like to not wear
00:24:09
a smartwatch all the time. Hey, join us. Join us. What I do? Wait, do you want to wear You
00:24:14
don't have to. No, I do. I mean, I'm I would like to close my rings every day, measure all my activity, and know everything about my
00:24:21
own health, and get a sleep score, but not have to wear this. A Whoop on a trailer. You can just always wear AirPods. How
00:24:27
about Well, a Whoop is basically the It's smaller, but it's the same. So I would like to I mean like a ring or
00:24:34
something even smaller where I'm not like this thing is is this the birth of Roly Marquez?
00:24:40
Yeah. Not quite. I mean I'm still going to wear it like I still I've worn this thing like every day but that I do think
00:24:47
about that sometimes. AP Marquez. You know the is just to like if you feel bad do
00:24:54
things that make you feel good and then not worry about that kind of stuff you know. Yeah. Is that a fortune cookie?
00:25:00
I Just saying it is validating sometimes though to get up and feel like garbage and then look
00:25:05
at your sleep score and be like I knew it. I will say no but it's the opposite. Sorry.
00:25:10
No, the gamification of like the eight sleep sleep score thing is actually quite fun. It's fun but it can work the opposite
00:25:16
way. I found with like Garmin body battery sometimes like I think I I slept great and it's like 37% to start the
00:25:22
day. It's like no now I no now it told me I feel bad and now I feel bad feeling bad controls
00:25:29
in your computer that's like the worst possible version I would want it where like I get up and I'm like
00:25:34
I think I don't feel that great and then I see a 95 and I'm like oh I'm good I need one that just placeos me every
00:25:40
placebo just tell me I got a 95 that's all I need. Yeah. All right. Well, we we should take a quick break. We got way more phones and stuff to talk about
00:25:46
because those are the sort of main event. But of course, this is a Waveform podcast, so you already know what happens now. Trivia.
00:25:53
Were you paying attention? That's right. Uhoh. We're back. You can take the boys out of
00:25:59
New Jersey, but they'll always bring trivia. True. That sort of worked. I just want to say, Adam, if I ever uh read a fortune cookie
00:26:07
that began with like, "Oh, no. The move is I would love that fortune cookie so much." But the move is eat more fortune cookies.
00:26:14
Yeah. A big fortune cookie. I'll just send you a text every day that has a little fortune on it. Ellis, I kind of like that. Actually,
00:26:20
the move is today. You need to feel better about yourself. Scheduled them like weeks in advance. Okay, guys, were you paying attention?
00:26:26
Apple, the place we're at right now, made lots of important updates to many of their products this year, but none
00:26:33
were more seismic, earthshattering than what they did to the Trail Loop.
00:26:39
What did they add to the Trail Loop? I actually remember Ultra 3. I will say
00:26:44
the the were you paying attention is is usually the hardest for me at events where I am both taking notes and writing
00:26:52
my video outline and live tweeting and taking pictures at the same time. Sounds like a skill issue.
00:26:57
So I just want to say I'm very proud of myself for actually knowing this one. I think you saying that out loud like
00:27:05
nine YC companies just got founded. Have an AI companion that does that for you. Well then it would be everywhere and no
00:27:12
one would watch mine. But yes. Okay. Glancers will be at the end like usual. We'll think about it and
00:27:18
we'll be right back. [Music]
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00:29:35
get this we get this feeling once per year where they give us all the information. We get to try it for a few
00:29:41
hours. We get to digest our thoughts real quick and just sort of dive in and talk about it. And then of course the
00:29:48
reviews and stuff will be later. But how we feeling? iPhone 17, iPhone 17 Pro,
00:29:53
iPhone 17 Air. iPhone Air. iPhone. iPhone Air.
00:29:58
Good point. Oh, not numbered. That was a interesting. They didn't number it. Yeah.
00:30:03
Is it going to be air 2 next year or just never going to do it again? Okay, before we we'll save air for
00:30:08
later. But I do think that there are some theories about the Air not being refreshed every year because they didn't
00:30:14
give it a number. Uh but I think let's start let's just start with the base iPhone and work our way up something like that. So, iPhone
00:30:21
17, all this lineup is the same prices, and we'll we'll talk about that stuff as well, but iPhone 17 is the same base
00:30:29
price, the same general design, and uh is maybe the best. I think what I've
00:30:38
seen a lot of reviews in the past saying, "Oh, the base iPhone is the one you should buy." And that felt kind of like a copout take to me cuz it's the
00:30:44
cheapest one, obviously. But now that they've added promotion Mhm. and now that it's base 256 gigs,
00:30:52
that was the best thing about this. Yeah, the base storage increases. I actually feel like I can say that. I think it's awesome. And I'm It makes
00:30:58
me so mad at Google that all their base stuff was 128 that I just bought the Pixel 4. Yeah, I was like furious about
00:31:04
it. And when I saw them just like base everything here to 256, I was Yeah. very upset. I mean, happy.
00:31:10
First nonpro Apple device to get a Pro moniker feature. I thought about that for a long time before I said in the
00:31:16
video. I couldn't think of any other example. I think it is promotion. I really thought that if they were going to bring a version of promotion, they
00:31:23
were going to name it something different and do like 10 to 120 Hz or 60 to 120 dynamic.
00:31:28
I thought that's what it was going to be because they first showed that it goes down to 10 and it took them a second to
00:31:33
show that it goes all the way down to one. I'm like always on display. So I was like, "Yeah, David was right on that." And then I went I was like, "No,
00:31:39
this" And then you were like in Slack. come. This is just normal promotion, right? There's no differences. And I
00:31:45
think that's confirmed. Yeah. As far as we can tell based on everything they said in the keynote, it seems like all of the benefits of
00:31:51
promotion that were on the Pro phones are now on the base iPhone. I we could
00:31:56
talk for ages about whether regular people notice or not. And over the years of people defending 60 Hz iPhones,
00:32:02
whatever. What will everyone argue about now? But I me personally, I can't. Every
00:32:08
other phone I test all year round is higher refresh rate. And the only 60 Hz phone every year is the iPhone. And every year I'm like, gosh, this feels
00:32:15
just worse. And I can finally daily and be happy with a smooth experience on a
00:32:21
base iPhone because of promotion. So I'm very happy about promotion on the base iPhone. Maybe I'm overblowing it, but
00:32:26
that's me. So that's cool. It's also a brighter display. I think it's 3,000 nits peak brightness and should generally be more
00:32:32
viewable outdoors, which is always welcome. We love seeing huge nits numbers. And then uh it's a new A19
00:32:39
chip. So six core CPU. I think it's also a six core GPU even though it's less uh
00:32:45
power in those cores than the Pro chip. But yeah, A19 chip. Roughly 20% better performance is what they're uh showing
00:32:51
us graphs of on stage. Um I'm not expecting anything dramatic or crazy. Um but you like to see obviously the new
00:32:58
chip and then slightly faster charging as well. So, in general, uh, you know,
00:33:04
they didn't talk about the other stuff that they always put in the phones, like camera control and the action button and, you know, the ultra wide and macros
00:33:10
and all that other fun stuff, but it's all there. Like, this is the most complete base iPhone uh, obviously ever.
00:33:16
Yeah. The possibly biggest change that they that actually got an audience
00:33:21
reaction in the crowd that also comes to the other phones, so we could talk about it now or later, might as well talk
00:33:28
about it now, is center stage on the front camera. the new selfie cameras.
00:33:33
I was say I'm with Adam and I both went Ellis was like, "Oh, wide angle on
00:33:38
selfie camera that automatically detects and Adam and I were like Pixel's had this forever." But then they described it more how it works and I was like,
00:33:44
"Never mind. This is way better." Like the more I thought about it, the more I was shooting A-roll with Marquez last
00:33:51
night and thinking about how like it's square and you can do I think being able to go landscape while you're still
00:33:56
holding it portrait is so much easier as a selfie. And like like Marquez said, everyone knows where
00:34:03
the camera is at that point. When you hold it horizontal, everyone's looking in different directions. Well, as they mentioned, it's better for
00:34:08
eye gaze. Exactly. Because when you're looking at the screen, when the camera's over here, your eyes look weird in the resulting
00:34:14
image. But if you look directly at the screen and the camera is aligned on the horizontal axis with your eyes, then it
00:34:19
looks way more normal. This was the perfect example of like
00:34:25
thinks about it harder and adds all the like really good features about it and like nails it as it
00:34:30
when I saw this immediately. I thought everyone should copy this. Every phone should copy this. This is
00:34:35
great. Basically, the the concept is it's a larger square sensor and when you
00:34:41
take a regular portrait selfie or a vertical selfie, it uses a vertical 18 megapixel crop of that square sensor
00:34:47
automatically or manually. But if it detects that there's a bunch of people in the frame and you need to take a wide
00:34:53
selfie where you'd normally turn it sideways, it automatically will switch to a horizontal 18 megapixel crop for a
00:35:01
normal sideways selfie. And that's great. It's it work like magic. You
00:35:07
could hit the button if you wanted to or it would see the number of people in the frame and make a wider selfie for you. Um, everyone should copy this. I don't
00:35:13
see why not. Like it seems very smooth and intuitive. Yeah. Every couple years there's just one little like quality of
00:35:18
life improvement that is very small but actually changes the way that people use their phone a lot. And I think this is
00:35:25
one of those moments. 500 billion people they say. 500 billion selfies.
00:35:31
I was going to use that as a trivia question. Thank god I didn't cuz don't I get a point now? Well, he would have been wrong. I never mind.
00:35:36
500 500 billion selfies were taken. Have there even been You said 500 billion people,
00:35:42
which I think is more people than have ever lived. Yeah. Either way, people selfies
00:35:48
on the iPhone. Well, this got by far the most applause in the entire keynote, which was very
00:35:54
kind of surprising, but also honestly, I think it's like one of the coolest features of any of the new phones. It got no applause really in our hotel
00:35:59
room. I was geeking out about it. Well, then we shot micro micro four third camera sensor. It's sick as hell.
00:36:06
Here's what I what I will say. I take a lot of selfies. Not necessarily as myself taking the
00:36:12
selfies, but I'm involved in a lot of selfies because you have I was talking about this. You and me long arms. We're always
00:36:19
the selfie. He has 20 million subscribers on YouTube. No, that's true. I get asked to take the
00:36:25
selfie a lot. But what I do have is the unique opportunity to observe lots and
00:36:31
lots of reps of how people take selfies. Hey, can I take pictures with you? Sure. They take out the phone, they either,
00:36:37
you know, some people have the swipe to open the camera, some people have like the long press on the corner icon, whatever. I get to see that behavior.
00:36:43
Then I see how many people immediately go sideways or how many people go vertical and like frame like from the
00:36:49
chest up and like have the two heads in the frame or like try to go wider to get like a little angle or ask me to take it
00:36:55
cuz my arms are longer. Like all of this behavior I I see so many reps of people taking selfies and I saw this and I saw
00:37:03
the crowd reaction and this new feature and I'm just like people are going to love this. This is easily the most intuitive like
00:37:09
quality of life as you said David. like this is a great feature in general for this phone. So yeah, overrated maybe, but I think yeah,
00:37:16
as far as people go, yeah, people take a lot of selfies. Better than camera control. Better than camera control. We should talk about camera control for
00:37:22
a second because I tweeted this and we talked about this yesterday. They didn't talk about that at all.
00:37:28
Literally at all. They didn't say it by name. Yeah. And in a lot of the photo demos, they just didn't even use the button.
00:37:34
They have like in all of the videos and stuff, they just like they would open the camera with like the camera icon and
00:37:39
then they would have their hand and they would be tapping the screen and that the camera control is right above their but
00:37:45
not how people use it. They know that last year it was like or when they introd Yeah. Last year they were just
00:37:50
like everything was like you swiping on the camera control icon. Yeah. Very deliberately. And it made me think like obviously there's more
00:37:57
functions behind it. There's the visual intelligence and other stuff like that, but I also got like at the back of my head I got this feeling about like 3D
00:38:02
touch when when Apple just kind of stopped talking about 3D touch and then suddenly it just kind of disappeared.
00:38:08
I got that same feeling. It's not it's only been 2 years like it might still exist for a little bit. But I don't know if if we feel like that about camera
00:38:15
control. Do you guys use camera? I use it to open the camera app. Yeah. Like it is it is a faster way because
00:38:21
you don't have to like tap on your screen or hold it up to your face to like light it up and then long press the uh the camera button on the front. Yeah.
00:38:27
So, it is a faster way to do that. I don't use any of the other features. Stupid question. Yeah.
00:38:32
Does do iPhones not have double tap to open camera? They do not. You can do the action button though.
00:38:38
You can set the action. That's cuz when you were saying how everyone opens their camera, I always open double tap. Double tap the best.
00:38:44
Speaking of the action. So, I was thinking about this yesterday. I was like, well, on the iPhone 15, they added the action button. In the iPhone 16,
00:38:50
they added camera control. They're slow. They've slowly added like a lot of things around the edge of the phone.
00:38:56
going to be a Stream Deck soon. I mean, it feels like once they make that foldable iPhone or like any of the
00:39:03
They're going to eventually have to start getting rid of some of these features. Well, they put camera control on the
00:39:08
Air, right? Yeah. That feels like a lot of work to get that to fit on the air for about it that
00:39:15
much, though. So, they obviously still It is surprising to me that they put it on the air. I'm surprised by that. I think I think it's one of those things
00:39:21
that is two years in development. Like when we saw the 12 mini, we always Apple
00:39:27
probably always knew there was going to be a 13 mini even as they saw 12 mini sales bombing. Great phone ever made.
00:39:32
And I think when they went all in with camera control, they probably were already planning the next generations of
00:39:37
phones to also have camera control and decided not to remove it. But yeah, it was just not in the presentation at all, which was
00:39:43
interesting. It was strange. You know what else wasn't in the presentation? What? Siri. Yeah, I looked it up in the transcript. They
00:39:50
didn't say it once. Apple intelligence in general. It was on the screen at one point, but is it dubdub next year? I guess that
00:39:56
we're eventually getting this. Here's what I will say cuz I can almost like kind of picture what Apple employees would say to me after hearing
00:40:01
this, which is a lot of stuff gets cut from the keynote, right? It's a 90minute presentation or whatever. Not everything
00:40:07
can make it in. And in the past, I and some of us have complained about them
00:40:13
rehashing things that have already existed when they represent the same feature as if it's brand new. So maybe
00:40:18
I'm happy that they didn't represent Apple Intelligence or Siri or camera control as if we need to hear it again.
00:40:25
Yeah. But it did feel unappalike for them to not talk about it. Well, maybe they should have cut Apple intelligence from the WWDC 2024 keynote
00:40:33
and never introduced it in the first place. I don't know how we got all the way back here, but the stabilization on the front
00:40:39
facing video looked really good. the the demo of it where he was running the sunlight, I think just made the shot
00:40:44
look not great in general, but it was really impressive how stable that was. And iPhone stabilization seems really
00:40:50
good. The interesting thing about that front-facing square camera is they're never using the square aspect ratio.
00:40:56
They're always using the extra pixels around this part of the sensor they're actually utilizing for different things.
00:41:01
So, they change the aspect ratio to add more people into the frame, so they make it rectangular. Um, and then the
00:41:07
stabilization, they're just cropping into the center and then using that data from the rest of the sensor as like stabilization pixels. Yeah.
00:41:14
So, um, yeah, there's a lot of stuff they can do. I will say when I watched that demo, that's a really good point cuz it's all
00:41:19
that digital stabilization. But when I watched that demo, I had so many red flags go off in my head about how they
00:41:25
could have faked that shot of like had the phone stabilized otherwise and had the actor just hold it like he's
00:41:30
pretending. Oh, yeah. So, I want to test that for myself. That's a specific thing where I watched a demo and I was like, I want to test
00:41:36
that for myself. I think it'll be pretty good. I think it'll be the first video you and I ever made before I worked for you was
00:41:42
Mac with a GoPro and you shot a bunch of it on an iPhone and you kept going the stabilization on this is great. And that was like iPhone totally 7 or something
00:41:50
like that. Those are those are the back sensors which include optical stabilization and I'm curious if they can do that job
00:41:57
eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Action mode does the same thing like action mode which they introduced like two or three year three years ago I
00:42:04
think it was three years ago on the iPhone 14 or some something like that that also like crops into the sensor
00:42:09
dramatically. Yeah, pretty dramatically. It's much less sharp but the stabilization is very very good. Um last
00:42:14
thing on this one they also added a 40 me 48 megapixel ultrawide camera which
00:42:19
means the entire lineup of iPhones all have all ultraide cameras on the back.
00:42:25
There is not a single lens on the back of any of the iPhones anymore that is not 48 megapixels, which is nice.
00:42:30
Which is nice because it it allows them to do all this different sort of crop in stuff. They're all fusion cameras or all
00:42:35
that stuff. And now so when nothing tries to um fake comparison videos, they can't use the 12
00:42:41
megapixel ultra wide and say that they're better than mine to everyone. Yeah. It also has ceramic shield 2 now,
00:42:48
which we were talking about this morning over breakfast. Uh the last time they called it ceramic the new ceramic shield
00:42:55
next generation Brad from Mobile Syrup and he was saying that like he specifically asked someone
00:43:01
that they thought the reason for naming it ceramic shield 2 this time was because it was a big enough upgrade even
00:43:07
though they have upgraded it in the past. Yeah. Always 2x better. Uh also the colors are
00:43:13
incredible. Yep. Uh specifically the sage. I'm a sage fan. Incredible.
00:43:19
I've seen the green. Yeah, that's not sage. I have. It's weird. I've seen some other videos
00:43:24
now where that did look more sage, but I feel like when in real life than it does on Yeah, when we saw it on the I don't know
00:43:30
what was going on. It felt very bright, but I've seen some clips now of people shooting video and it does look
00:43:36
It looks like sage on a phone. It is definitely darker than on the website. Um, one of my friends messaged
00:43:42
me yesterday and was like, "Your boots are on the ground. Do you think the iPhone 17 is the Should I get that over
00:43:47
the 16?" Is that the move? Because is the move Ellis the move is
00:43:53
portion cookie says. Portion cookie says what's the answer David? Well what he generally does is usually when a new tech product comes out he
00:44:00
buys the the last year's generation for like much cheaper. But the thing is Apple is selling this
00:44:06
this iPhone 16 for only $100 less than this and that's at a lower base storage.
00:44:12
Yeah. Right. So, like it's almost like they're the same price if the if you account for
00:44:18
the storage, but you're also getting the the frontfacing the better frontfacing camera, the ceramic shield too, the
00:44:23
better uh the better rear camera, the 120 Hz. I mean, battery life,
00:44:28
brightness, everything. Spend that much on a 60 Hz phone. No, you literally no longer can justify. As
00:44:34
long as there was a 60 Hz new iPhone that existed, people could always justify it. that doesn't exist anymore. I don't just
00:44:42
get the promotion. One of the questions we asked people at the event yesterday was, "Do you think
00:44:47
people outside the tech community can tell the difference between 60 and 120 hertz?" Yeah.
00:44:52
And I feel like we got a resounding no way. I think people can tell the difference
00:44:58
if you ask them if they can tell the difference. It's more like people don't care. I have thoughts on I think it would be hard for
00:45:05
people to articulate what they're seeing, but I do think that people would notice a difference,
00:45:11
especially when you tell them to look for a difference. One interesting thing that we heard
00:45:16
yesterday was a guy saying that on his mom's Z Flip 7, I think maybe six, maybe
00:45:22
five. I think it was fold because he gave he said he upgrades every fold in No, it was his mom's, not his.
00:45:27
I assumed he No, his mom had the flip, I thought. Okay. No, but his grandpa.
00:45:33
Shut up, Andrew. Um, no, but he was saying he turned it off on his mom's phone and the only thing his mom noticed was that the
00:45:39
battery life got better. She doesn't notice that it's 60 Hz. Yeah. Wouldn't the battery life get better if
00:45:44
you had dynamic like down to one herz? Well, you're never scrolling. I think it just caps. I think it's up to
00:45:51
60 or up to 120. Oh, I see. But this is a Samsung, not a Yeah, not an iPhone. Interesting.
00:45:56
Okay. Yeah. You know, there's probably an age range where people stop noticing. I don't know. There's I have I definitely noticed.
00:46:02
I have theories on it. I just find it hard to not notice. Maybe I'm too dialed. I'm too dialed.
00:46:07
It's just wild to me that Apple is even still selling the iPhone 16. Like, it makes no sense,
00:46:13
dude. Teal. Yeah, that's true. Got him. Well,
00:46:19
hey, so 17, it's out there. It's the same starting um price as last year. I
00:46:24
think it's a really good overall upgrade to the base phone. You know, for 256,
00:46:29
the Pixel 10 is more expensive. No, that's crazy. That's crazy.
00:46:34
I'm so mad at you. Wow. Cuz I always I've been thinking like I mean the Pixel 10 has three
00:46:40
cameras, but like the Pixel 10 is a good deal. And so we kind of have to We're forced to think of the iPhone 17 as a good
00:46:47
deal. Also, you get the iPhone 17 is a great I think it's a great deal. Yeah. Yeah. So then should we go to the pros? Let's
00:46:54
go pros. The pros. Okay, perfect. I think I'm going to be a pro person. I I'm definitely going to be a pro.
00:46:59
What? 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max. These phones are I almost I'm thinking about already what
00:47:05
my title of the review is going to be and I keep the word maximalist keeps coming to my head. Things got bigger,
00:47:10
they got thicker, they're overdoing parts of it and I love it. You know how there were all those rumors of like the iPhone 17 Ultra and how it
00:47:17
was going to be ultra rugged and it was sort of like the Apple Watch Ultra. This to me, like the design of this almost
00:47:22
feels like an iPhone Ultra. Um, maybe the most they've ever done. Yeah, I think when you compare it, it feels
00:47:29
sporty. I think also the orange with the Ultra, it feels like the Ultra Watch and it
00:47:34
feels kind of connected. It feels kind of sporty. It's like tough and like rugged. It almost feels like an Otterbox case.
00:47:41
Yeah. In its shape. I would say I still when I compare it to other ultra phones that exist, it still does not feel like
00:47:46
an Ultra Phone. doesn't have second telephoto or super fast charging or a big 6,000 mAh silicon battery or
00:47:53
whatever, but this is the most maximal I've ever seen an iPhone and I like that about it. So, what's new? First of all,
00:48:00
they've gone back to aluminum. It was titanium. It was stainless steel and it used to be
00:48:07
aluminum back in the day. They're back to aluminum because they're doing this. Honestly, I actually kind of like it. A
00:48:12
lot of phones in the past have been like the aluminum frame and then glass front back. Yeah, this is an aluminum unibody iPhone with
00:48:19
a glass cutout and then a glass front. It took me so long to realize that that was the cutout of the unibody. I thought
00:48:27
it was just kind of like a design change on the back and then I was like, oh no, the rest of that is the body
00:48:33
wireless charge. Yeah, it kind of but I think that's nice. Instead of being a glass phone with aluminum rails, it is a metal
00:48:39
phone. So I I don't I didn't think too hard about the weight when I was holding it. It's heavy. It's a big maximalist phone,
00:48:45
but yes, this is an all metal unibody uh aluminum phone now with glass cutouts.
00:48:51
And it is it's kind of part of the design. They've kind of embraced that like two tone. I love the design. And then the top is the plateau.
00:48:58
The plate. The plateau. Okay. So, they used they named it they called it a plateau, but basically that top bar with the cameras
00:49:04
and the flash and the microphone and the LAR is still there, I think, too. and the microphone and all that is is got
00:49:10
this big bar at the top of the phone that also has a glass cutout. And so it houses the cameras obviously,
00:49:17
but there are also more components that they've kind of pushed up into the top of the phone
00:49:23
in order to maximize maximize the battery in the bottom part of the phone.
00:49:28
Yeah. Which I like that too. I think that's great. Um, they've also moved, they've
00:49:33
sort of reshuffled uh the A19 Pro chip that it has now closer to the middle of
00:49:38
the phone where they've placed a first time ever vapor chamber in the iPhone. And so now they've they've had this
00:49:44
whole section of the keynote about how much better thermals are going to be and how much better cooling is going to be and how much I think 40% better
00:49:50
sustained performance. So basically, don't expect this to thermally throttle because the vapor chamber and the dissipation from the aluminum unibody
00:49:57
frame will all be way better than previous iPhones. I tend to believe that. Um, and that's exciting to see,
00:50:03
especially if you game or if you're going to do like long-term Well, okay, you brought up a thing that I actually
00:50:09
thought about which might not actually have a difference, which is shooting videos. I'm interested in that.
00:50:14
So, this is the vapor chamber and the heat dissipation from the system is going to be great for heat that comes
00:50:20
from the system. So, if I'm recording videos in here or if I'm in here or
00:50:26
rendering a video in here, that will spike the temperature of the system and eventually throttle and it'll take
00:50:31
longer because of the better thermal properties. But when we go outside and record videos, it's just hot outside.
00:50:38
And that's just going to heat it up on from the outside from the outside anyway, which is different. Yeah. M. And
00:50:44
so I think we're still, you know, when we go out and it's like, oh, the screen's dim and it's like going to overheat and it's like it's just cuz
00:50:49
it's hot out and like all cameras overheat when it's hot outside. I think that's still going to be true. Yeah. It's stuff for like if you're
00:50:54
playing games and the chipset is getting hot, it moves the heat around and it keeps it cooler. But if you're just
00:51:00
getting hit from the sun, like there's no way for the system to like keep the phone cool at Maybe the orange will will reflect the
00:51:06
sun. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. You know how they say o like opposites attract but same like or the sun is orange and this
00:51:13
is orange so they'll they'll repel. That's like science. Don't do that. Got it. I guess while we're on the topic
00:51:19
of the colors, uh the aluminum is either going to be orange, silver, or deep
00:51:24
blue. You might have said noticed that I didn't say black or space gray or any
00:51:30
neutral dark. Uh that's very upsetting to me. It is when I put it out there and I took that personally.
00:51:36
It is wild because black is the most popular phone color by far. Blue,
00:51:42
no. By a large margin. And the fact that Apple decided to go, you know what? Not
00:51:48
only we're not going to do the most popular phone color ever, we're going to use the most polarizing color ever and
00:51:54
make it bright orange is wild. So, uh, yeah, those are the options. I
00:51:59
don't I guess I'm going to have to go dark blue. I don't know if I have a choice. Can we get an orange check here? We
00:52:04
asked everybody this yesterday. By the way, you have to see it in person. Cosmic RNG. I saw it in person. I haven't
00:52:11
You told me this morning that you don't like it anymore. That's where I stand on it. So, say that out loud. I do not like it anymore.
00:52:16
I won't change my mind. Haven't seen it in person. I think this is the most I've ever been compelled to buy an iPhone.
00:52:23
The design is part of that reason. I think the new design unibody camera bump cutout and orange al together is my
00:52:30
favorite iPhone I've ever seen. So, Andrew's in on orange. David, this is coming from someone who's literally never used an iPhone.
00:52:35
I'm out on orange. I thought I thought it was going to be interesting and I saw it in person and I just think it's too
00:52:40
much. Okay. Yeah, Adam's out on orange. Silver looks amazing in person. And and silver is the raw aluminum color. So
00:52:48
when you ch when you chip it, it's not going to look different underneath the color. Whereas you're anodizing all the
00:52:53
other colors so you can paint that. Patina, do you see the back of my laptop right there? It's character. Ellis, are you out on or
00:53:00
in on orange? Dude, I have flip-flopped so many times since seeing this phone.
00:53:05
Like the pictures, I love the color orange. It's one of my favorite colors. So, I was like, orange iPhone.
00:53:10
I was ready to put my credit card down as soon as the rumors came out. And then I saw the renders and I was like, yes. And then I saw one in person yesterday
00:53:17
and I was like, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. But then I saw more pictures
00:53:23
and I was like, oo. And it's good in video, too, I will say. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. You know, I I shot a lot of video of it and
00:53:30
I think I liked it on camera more than I liked it in my own hands. It was It was
00:53:35
a little more saturated, a little more bright than the like pumpkin Patagonia orange that I think we thought it would
00:53:41
be, which is what I wanted, which is what I think a lot of people like. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm I'm also on the fence. I
00:53:47
do think I I was kind of likening it to there's been other like bright red phones in the past where I'm like that seems like a shirt I would wear once and
00:53:54
feel really cool in, but I don't want to wear it every day. Yeah, I feel like I have to go dark blue. I think the silver is like
00:54:00
But I don't mind the silver. I just can't I shoot so much videos of like reflective things. I can't have a light camera.
00:54:06
That's fair. So, I can't use the silver. The silver the glass cutouts are white. Yeah. And that's just a bright phone for me.
00:54:11
That is true. So, I'm going put a skin on it. Honestly, yeah. I'm just going to debrand it dark. Did you Did you see the Spigen case? The
00:54:18
It's a clear case where the glass part is white. Yeah. that on the orange. The the the
00:54:25
dreamsicle iPhone. Okay, that's going to go orange, actually. Yeah, that's not a bad Yeah,
00:54:30
that's a good Okay. Well, uh yeah, so that's the colors and you know, I think the new design in
00:54:35
general has a lot of us liking it, but the colors may be a little bit polarizing, but there's some other stuff that's new. Um let's see, the Pro. So,
00:54:42
the batteries are larger and they're quoting longer battery life. Hard to get a sense of how much longer. We're going
00:54:48
to have to test these phones. But if you go by the hours of video playback number that they give,
00:54:53
it's so funny that we're still doing that, by the way, because video decoding is like the easiest thing to do now, even though it used to be the hardest
00:54:59
thing. You and I know that it's a silly number, but it's the number they keep giving, so it's what we have to go with as far as quotes, cuz they don't give millah
00:55:05
hours, but they're going 39 hours on the 17 Pro Max versus 33 from the 16 Pro
00:55:11
Max. So what? No, from the 16 Pro Max. 39. So, the 16 Pro Max last year, they
00:55:17
were quoting 33 hours of video playback. Now, they're going up to a max of 39. So, maybe like 8 to 10% more battery.
00:55:24
I have I've been living in the dark ages for so long that number like hurts my head. I mean, don't watch 30 hours of video in
00:55:31
a row. Don't do that. If you can't make it 30 minutes of video, I know, but yeah, I know that that's a different
00:55:36
world from the 12 mini, but yeah, more battery, which is great. I mean, considering the regular 17 Pro is now
00:55:44
quoted at 33 hours, where the 16 Pro Max used to be 33 hours, like that's pretty good.
00:55:49
That's pretty nice. The phones are a little thicker. And if I'm remembering, feeling them in my hand correctly, a
00:55:55
little bit heavier, too. Maybe I'm imagining that, but they are they are more maximal. So, I wouldn't be shocked.
00:56:00
It's also more metal. Heavier than titanium, but it's aluminum unibody. No, titanium
00:56:07
is lighter. titanium, but there's more metal versus there's more metal because the previous one it was just the frame with more
00:56:13
glass and then this time it's the whole unibody except for the cutout. So So I do think I do think it's a little bit heavier.
00:56:19
Um titanium. Wait, hold on. That's an AI overview. Got to got to got to find let me find a source. But I I I think
00:56:25
titanium is heavier. I vaguely I vaguely remember when we had aluminum phones, they went to stainless
00:56:30
steel and it was like this is polished and pretty but it's heavier. And then they went to titanium and they said this
00:56:36
is lighter than stainless steel. Yeah, the whole but not necessarily lighter than aluminum got. So I don't remember versus
00:56:43
aluminum. Either way, chunky phone, right? It's still got the triple cameras. These are all bigger cameras. And yes, it's now 48 megapixel
00:56:50
uh 4x telephoto camera instead of 5x. I think this works really nicely. We had 5x before on a 12x 12 megapixel. God,
00:56:58
I'm saying a lot of numbers. We had a 5x 12 megapixel telephoto before. that gap
00:57:04
between 1x and 5x was kind of far, but you could work with it. And then you got to the the zoom and you could get
00:57:09
crisper photos at 5x again. But now that gap is smaller because it's only 4x and it's a higher resolution, so you can
00:57:15
then continue to zoom further and have an 8x range, quote unquote. Yeah, cuz they cuz now they're all fusion cameras,
00:57:21
so you can crop into the center on each of them. Um, it is kind of nice just to have like this linear progression where it's 0.5 2
00:57:30
48. So, it's doubling every time, which is kind of nice. Yeah. Um Yeah.
00:57:35
Yeah. So, better zoom performance. And then, uh ceramic shield too on the front
00:57:40
and the back, which is nice. That that millimeter wave antenna at the top of the phone was an interesting choice.
00:57:45
Yeah, we got to talk about that. It's a it's a look. So, on the iPhone 16 Pro, they were able
00:57:51
to move the millimeter wave cutout, which was used to be just this just little glass window that allowed the 5G
00:57:57
to come through. They were able to move it into the antenna bands. And then this year, they never they didn't really show
00:58:03
this in the keynote at all, but you see it in person. The very top of the phone, there's a giant millimeter wave window,
00:58:09
and it does not look great. It's funny, too, because they added more space for antennas with the plateau,
00:58:15
but then had to read the edge of that plateau is an antenna. Is an antenna. Literally an antenna.
00:58:21
It's so weird that they need to do that. I don't know why. This is like a more contrasty looking iPhone. It's like a two-tone iPhone.
00:58:27
It's like the metal and then the cutout at the top and the cutout at the plateau and then the cutout for the charging. It's just different looking.
00:58:34
Yeah. So, yeah, ceramic shield 2 on the front and the back and you get that new selfie camera and then some genuinely
00:58:39
pro features. Uh ProRes RAW video recording. I will test that for sure. I only the
00:58:45
only other ProRes RAW camera that I have is our Red VRaptor. Just just to put that in perspective.
00:58:51
Crazy. Yeah. How much is that camera? It's not even about price. It's just about like demographic.
00:58:56
No, it's about demographic. Like nobody shoots ProRes RAW, but then every time you listen to Apple, they're like,
00:59:01
"Shoot ProRes. Shoot ProRes RAW." You get the raw malleability of the footage, but obviously it's smaller.
00:59:08
Do you think that's why it starts at 256? No, because you can only shoot ProRes RAW with an external drive. Right.
00:59:14
Right. Right. I didn't hear that. Well, that's the way the 16 Pro was. Right. Someone back me up on this, I
00:59:19
think. No, I'm I'm writing. No, I think 16 Pro it was not with external. It was like on the 128 GB
00:59:25
model, you were not able to shoot ProRes. I think it was a storage thing. They basically like you had to buy the 256 or higher model to even shoot ProRes
00:59:32
on the 16 Pro. Am I hallucinating right now? I swear this was a thing that you could only shoot Probably any It makes me sort of
00:59:39
feel like the reason they made the base storage higher is so that they didn't have to have that weird artificial limitation anymore cuz it used to be
00:59:45
that you literally could not use one of the features if you bought one of the lower storage phones, which was a very weird thing for Apple to do.
00:59:51
I appreciate the more storage. Um, ProRes RAW will take more storage than ProRes. A lot more. Yeah.
00:59:56
Um, also Genlock sync support. Yeah. Which is me and Rufus went nuts in Slack.
01:00:02
It's so funny. I was sitting in the in the theater later and talking to a journalist who was like so genlock like
01:00:09
is anybody going to use that? And I was like honestly probably not. But no no. So, did you see, dude? Think
01:00:16
about So, uh, the the movie that just came out 28 years later with that crazy
01:00:21
iPhone rig, the mobile rig that without Genlock versus that with Genlock
01:00:28
is like possibly hundreds of hours of work. Someone was saying, someone online was
01:00:34
saying that they probably developed this for that movie so that they could like use that rig and
01:00:40
then they were like, "Well, we have this now." For for those that don't know, Genlock is sort of like a shared time
01:00:47
like it's time code. So when you like when you when you share time code a bunch of um between a bunch of cameras, it syncs the start time of
01:00:54
the video file, but it doesn't actually sync the internal clocks of the camera. It just makes sure they all start at the
01:00:59
same time. Uh Genlock actually sends out a pulse that tells each camera frame frame frame
01:01:05
frame frame so that every camera is taking frame. Are we doing genlock in the studio right now? No, I don't think so.
01:01:12
Probably not because we're shooting on 16 pros, but in a situation like this, it could
01:01:18
potentially be pretty useful. This is like the situation. Yeah. Yeah. It also is, I believe, right now
01:01:23
only available through a Blackmagic. Yeah. Uh thing, but he did say there is an API
01:01:28
available. So, it sounds like there could be other third party adapters that would help support it.
01:01:34
Yeah. So overall, iPhones 17 Pro and Pro Max feel like, like I said, not quite at
01:01:41
the level of like maxed out hardware ultra phones that we've seen, but the most maximalist iPhones that we've ever
01:01:46
seen, and I like them. There was one other small thing that I thought was kind of interesting that we'll never
01:01:52
really get to see a difference in, but it was that the North American versions are eim only and they specifically mentioned using
01:01:59
that SIM card space for more battery, which means there will be two different
01:02:05
iPhone 17 Pros with different battery sizes based on what region you're in. One of them, they done that before.
01:02:11
One of them is slightly more all day. Even more all day. I I wonder what the numbers on that are. I
01:02:17
I want to know how much millah are in a SIM card tray space. I think this is I think this is
01:02:23
something we can figure out. So, whoever's watching this podcast, if you can find the milliamp number difference
01:02:29
between an iPhone 17 Pro in an eSIM region and an iPhone 17 Pro in a regular
01:02:35
SIM region, then we'll know exactly how much more battery they saved and are giving us by not having a regular SIM
01:02:44
card in our phones. Yeah. Yeah. So, there you go. 58 mAh. 30 is my guess.
01:02:49
I'm going to go with uh I'm going to go with 50. I think that you're going to add the entire battery life of my 12 mini.
01:02:56
I think that's probably exactly 12 milliamp. All right. Well, I think uh we're going
01:03:02
to talk about the iPhone Air, not 17 Air notably. Yeah. Uh for quite a while. So, before we do
01:03:07
that, we should probably do our second trivia segment. But it's not just regular trivia. Were
01:03:15
you paying attention? That's right. I was. I'm so ready. You You You just said you weren't paying
01:03:22
attention before. I got lucky and now I feel like I'm on a roll. All right. Second question. They showed off two new watch faces for the Apple
01:03:28
Watch Series 11. Not getting this. One was called Flow, which had liquid glass numerals. The other was a quote
01:03:35
modern interpretation of a traditional regulator clock. End quote. Oh, yeah.
01:03:40
What was that one called? Yeah. I don't know. I I don't I have no idea. I don't know. I Googled traditional
01:03:46
regulator clock and I just got a bunch of pictures of clocks. What is a regulator clock? H
01:03:52
well well well guys there's an article on Wood magazine which is a hilarious title uh called what is a regulator
01:03:59
clock? And I will read this just pictures of you all that.
01:04:07
What if it was a magazine about things that could possibly happen and it was spelled W U L D magazine.
01:04:14
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All right, we're back. We got to talk about this iPhone 17 Air. This is iPhone. I keep doing that. Keep doing that.
01:06:34
iPhone, we got to talk about the iPhone Air. So, that's the first thing. Uh, iPhone Air is new to the lineup. It is,
01:06:39
I guess, not an iPhone 17. It's an iPhone Air. It's part of the lineup of new phones. And in your defense, in the dock, it does
01:06:45
say 17 Air. It does. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, they said iPhone Air on stage, and I remember writing that in my tweet, being careful
01:06:52
not to say 17 cuz they didn't say 17, but it's in the middle of the lineup. It's the,000 phone is replacing the Plus.
01:06:57
Yeah. Um, okay. So, it's more expensive than the base iPhones. It's less expensive than the Pro iPhones. They took some
01:07:03
stuff from the Pro iPhones that I didn't expect them to, which was interesting because we heard about this ultra thin
01:07:08
phone. And then they also took some stuff from the base iPhones. So, the basic idea, if you haven't already seen,
01:07:15
is it's a crazy razor thin iPhone. To be precise, 5.6 mm,
01:07:20
thinner than S25 Edge. Notably, probably important to them, they are the thinner one.
01:07:25
Uh, of course, there is also still that plateau at the top. This phone reminds me more than ever of the Nexus 6P. Um,
01:07:32
but it's a single camera, the 48 megapixel Fusion camera. And then it's just thin, thin, thin, thin buttons,
01:07:40
thin camera control, thin action button, the port at the bottom. There's no speakers at the bottom of the phone.
01:07:46
Yeah, that's strange. I uh I saw this. Yeah, I put my short out and I was like, "Wow, these speaker
01:07:52
holes at the bottom are really small." And then all the comments were like, "I checked Apple's website. There's actually no speakers at the bottom.
01:07:58
That's just the microphone holes. It's just a single speaker at the top. Wait, is it mono?
01:08:03
It's a sing. Yeah, sing not mono, but it Yeah, it's not. Well, I guess technically it is mono. There's only a
01:08:08
single speaker at the top. Is it two drivers inside one? It's probably two drivers screen, but
01:08:13
it's it's usually the earpiece speaker. I don't know where it comes from. Justin. Oh, yeah. The earpiece speaker. And that
01:08:20
would they could do it in stereo in a Most phones have speaker at the top of the phone, speaker at the bottom of the
01:08:25
phone. This one is so thin and is so focused on just filling it up with battery that they have not put a speaker
01:08:32
at the bottom of the phone. They have also not put a SIM card tray at the bottom of the phone. It's ESIM only globally. Globally.
01:08:37
Um they've also not put an ultrawide obviously or a telephoto camera. It's just a single camera and it is ceramic
01:08:44
shield 2 front and back and it's a titanium frame. Yeah, they chose to put the A19 Pro in this
01:08:52
phone. uh minus one GPU core. Yeah. But the A19 Pro chip and there we were
01:08:58
chatting about this. It seems like yeah that's a more potentially efficient chip
01:09:03
overall. That's what was very funny is like yeah I was worried. I was like why would they put this more intense chip in this
01:09:09
phone? But then they were like and it gets even better battery life. Yeah. Like how does the prochip get better
01:09:14
battery life? So it's, you know, I I think almost every choice about the hardware of this phone,
01:09:21
paradoxically, is to maximize battery life. Yeah. Because it is so thin that the only
01:09:27
thing that they can optimize for is just whatever they can do just put more battery in this phone.
01:09:32
Um, and we'll talk about battery in a second, but USB 2 instead of USB 3.
01:09:37
Yeah, it's a it's a slower slower slower bus. So, if you want to move files from it, but obviously you're
01:09:43
probably not going to be shooting like, you know, cuz it doesn't you're not even allowed to shoot ProRes RAW or any of that stuff on this phone.
01:09:50
Yeah. So, you know, it's a 6 and 12 in screen up front, so it is a little bigger than the smallest
01:09:55
iPhone. And it is a prootion display, which again, that's great. It's going to have all the way down to one herz.
01:10:01
That's efficient, always on, great. Um, and yeah, it's it's not going to have
01:10:07
the the vapor chamber or any of the thermal improvements that the Pro had. So, the the behavior of the ship is
01:10:13
going to be interesting to watch when we test it because it may be more efficient at the low end, but when you do try to do bursty or like longer sustained
01:10:20
performance stuff, Yeah. Is it going to overheat instantly in throttle? Yeah. Is it going to get really hot because
01:10:26
there's no vapor chamber? I don't know. Yeah, we we'll have to see. They tried to miniaturaturize basically
01:10:31
everything. They made a new version of the C1 modem. The C1 modem and they said this specifically in the keynote. They
01:10:36
were like, "We only released the C1 modem 6 months ago and now we've got the C1X."
01:10:43
So, in the iPhone 16, we saw that custom C1 modem, right? Because they wanted to
01:10:49
move away from Qualcomm, all this stuff. And now, they said this in the keynote, it was only 6 months ago that we
01:10:54
introduced the C1 modem. Now, we're introducing the C1X modem, which they say is two times faster than the C1
01:11:02
modem. I do not know what that means when it comes to a modem. Seems crazy. Um, but it's apparently also 30% more
01:11:09
battery efficient. And as we said, everything is about battery efficivity.
01:11:19
So, there's the N1 chip which does Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and thread radios all in one chip as well. Yeah,
01:11:25
which is so I think the idea behind all of this is to just be maximally efficient. It's the same idea as like when we had Intel
01:11:31
chips versus Apple silicon in these laptops and they got much better battery life and efficiency because they were dialed for what they wanted to do with
01:11:37
them instead of off the shelf. Same thing. If you're going to gear this thing towards paradoxically maximum
01:11:43
battery life, then that makes sense for this phone. And they put almost everything in the plateau area of this phone. Like they
01:11:50
put as much battery as they could physically fit in the bottom half of the phone. Yeah, it was both cameras front and back
01:11:57
speaker chip. It's just like literally that's what the plateau is in the plateau.
01:12:03
People are making jokes that the next iPhone, the next nano device is just going to be the plateau
01:12:08
with the big camera. Honestly, that would look for Monsters Inc. Yeah, that'd be kind of sick. That's
01:12:14
Yeah. So, you know, you're not getting macro camera spatial. You can't do spatial photos because it needs at least
01:12:20
two cameras. You can't do any of that. Uh you're not getting pro raw. No cinematic mode, no spatial video, no
01:12:25
ProRes video, no academy color grading or encoding, no Apple log 2, no Genlock, no macro video, no studio quality for
01:12:31
mic array, no millimeter wave. Oh no. Uh, but it's 5.6 mm thin.
01:12:37
This is this is the whole thing, right? It's like you're giving up so much for
01:12:42
something that feels Yes, it it does feel amazing and shocking.
01:12:48
Yeah. But I just wonder how long is it going to take for that veneer to wear off and for you to be like, "But what
01:12:53
about all the features and the fact that this has probably horrible battery life?" Yeah, I will say that testing and using
01:12:59
S25 Edge, I had a similar arc of feelings and thoughts, which was, okay, we see the videos. Oh, looks really cool
01:13:05
and thin, but like nobody's asking for this. What are we doing here? Oh, you'll probably sell a few. The ad's really cool and snazzy, but like whatever. And
01:13:12
then I hold it and I go, damn, that's nice. It's like, god, I kind of want to
01:13:19
use this phone. And it looks cool on video and you can tell it's thin, but it's it's thin and light. So, the combo of like holding
01:13:25
this like uh I don't know. It's just a it's a crazy piece of hardware in your hand and it has a promotion display on
01:13:31
the front and it's a totally smooth like usable iPhone and you're like, dang, this is kind of impressive. I I went through that also. And then but like
01:13:39
logically it is a worse phone and the only way to justify buying the Edge is
01:13:46
to really like the fact that it's so thin and light. That is the only thing
01:13:51
that will make you buy it over the other phones. So how much do you really want or are impressed by that is the
01:13:57
question. Yeah. Um it is yeah the brighter screen, titanium, all that fun stuff. It it
01:14:03
looks fine. This phone was invented to miniaturize the parts so that they can It's one half of the iPhone Fold.
01:14:10
Okay. Yeah. So, this is my That's what this is. I kind of like started this thought in the impressions video and I'll probably
01:14:15
have to try to finish it in the review, but I kind of feel like you can only see this phone one of two ways. Way number
01:14:22
one is Apple is just trying it and you know, they they tried the mini thing like Ella's bought one, but who else
01:14:28
like has you not a lot of sales, right? So, then they move to the plus. They're like, "Oh, people like big screens.
01:14:33
we'll do the plus phones. And then they had the plus phones for a little bit and those were okay sales but not really
01:14:39
killing it. So then the worst selling one. Yeah. It didn't hit. And so now they're like, "Oh, what if we do ultra thin?"
01:14:44
And so they go through the process of miniaturaturizing and the and one chip and all this fun stuff. And so now they're just throwing something at the
01:14:50
wall and seeing if it sticks. That's one way you could see it. The other way you could see it is Apple has been dreaming
01:14:57
of this for years and this is a long time in the making. And this is the first step towards every phone being
01:15:03
this thin. They just needed to get the right combination of parts and Apple silicon and battery technology and
01:15:10
hardware and displays and everything to finally make this a real phone. And in a
01:15:16
in the same way that like the first MacBook Air kind of sucked and was underpowered, but then now every laptop
01:15:22
is that thin and it's totally fine. That's also going to happen with smartphones. This iPhone Air is a little
01:15:29
underpowered. It might overheat. It has a really weak battery, but when they
01:15:35
finally get like silicon carbon and like Apple silicon gets even more efficient and all this stuff, it's going to be
01:15:40
like a totally normal iPhone and we'll all have phones like this everywhere. Yeah, it's interesting because they made a new MagSafe battery that is very thin
01:15:48
profile, which I want. Only works with the Air, but it actually
01:15:53
designed for the Air, but it's designed for the Air. It doesn't only work for the with the air. You could put it on another phone, but you
01:15:59
would have to put it sideways because of the way Oh, how tall it is cuz the plateau is so tall up.
01:16:04
I didn't even think of it's higher up. Yeah. Can you not use normal mags safe on the iPhone? No. You can. It's just that this Mags
01:16:11
safe battery specifically is like specifically designed for the size. It's really thin. M
01:16:18
in the biggest red flag of all red flags, they've designed a battery just
01:16:24
for this ultra thin phone that you can slap to the back. Yeah. And like, yeah, you can, oh, we could
01:16:29
always slap a battery to the back of your phone, but you're like, oh, for this one, we're going to make a special one because we know people are going to want this.
01:16:34
And it makes it the same thickness as the regular one. It makes it the same thickness as a regular phone and it totals now the same overall battery as
01:16:42
the Pro Max with that 3,150 m as the Pro
01:16:48
Max everyone says they want a modular phone and then we get a sort of modular
01:16:53
phone and everyone's like red flag. Well, okay. Do you remember Do you
01:16:58
remember the Moto Z? Yeah, that was before Ellis came online. Moto
01:17:03
Z was like I was still in school when that came out. That was a ridiculously thin phone.
01:17:08
It might have also been 5 mm. Like a USBC port barely fit in that phone and they had the pins on the back and you
01:17:14
could slap a battery to the back and they had a specially designed. That was also a red flag. There's a projector
01:17:19
projector. Yeah. Or it was a projector. You could slap the battery on the back, charge up the battery, then pop that off
01:17:26
and put another Moto Mod on the back and then do other stuff with it or take it off and use it as a super thin phone. And that was really cool. But it's like,
01:17:32
yeah, they did the battery accessory because they knew that this phone would need that type of thing. Same exact red flag here. It's just an
01:17:39
Apple design language and it's very pretty and it's nice, but it is definitely going to have a bad battery life without that thing.
01:17:44
So, now we know. I Yeah. What would you consider a bad battery life for this?
01:17:49
Valid question. Uh, so they said all day battery without this battery bank.
01:17:57
I you know I I tend to measure my battery life in screen on time
01:18:03
which is like this old stat that's come from Android phones where it's like I have had my phone on for 4 and 1/2 hours
01:18:11
today and here's the breakdown of all the apps that I was using it for 4 and a half hours for a good battery life for
01:18:16
me used to be four hours now it's seven or eight uh I
01:18:22
that's really good right yeah eight hours of screen on time six feels Five or six is like fine. Good.
01:18:29
And I would suspect that this one's going to be four to five, which is usable. It's probably fine, but
01:18:37
it's not going to be good. It's not going to be good battery life. That's I'm guessing four. They quote 27 hours
01:18:43
of playback of video playback. What? 2/3 of the 40. 39 was the
01:18:49
39 is the Pro Max. Pro Pro Max. Pro is 33. 33.
01:18:55
Um like three quarters. Yeah. Yeah. And then with the battery, they quote 40 hours of playback. So,
01:19:01
you know, I still I still think it's just that they're going to make that foldable and they needed to make they
01:19:06
needed to engineer the components. And you're saying this is what Samsung just did. Yeah. This is literally what Samsung just did. They they released the S25
01:19:13
Edge and then like 3 months later they released the Fold 7, which is the S25 Edge in two parts. Part
01:19:18
that slaps itself together. Yeah. Yeah. So, so you're saying foldable iPhone
01:19:24
confirmed? Yeah. No way. Yeah, next year probably. I'm sure.
01:19:29
Just checking. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, now that would allow them and you know, if they
01:19:34
were able to fit the entire foldable iPhone in the plateau, then the second half of the foldable iPhone could all be
01:19:41
battery and they could get crazy battery life. That's the one Ellis is buying.
01:19:46
Straight from a mini to a fold. No, there's got to be something in between, bro. My phone is is like the past two weeks
01:19:53
have been specifically so painful on the 12 the old 12 mini. She's barking.
01:19:59
Did I tell you the lady on the flight next to me on the way here had a a Zfold 7?
01:20:05
She never closed it. Wow. Never closed. Die in 5 minutes. We're doing a bonus episode that'll come
01:20:11
out after this where we talk to people on the street at the Apple event. Three three separate people that we talked to
01:20:18
had 12 series phones. Oh, interesting. 12 series phones. No one had a Mini. Okay.
01:20:25
I don't think you needed to clarify. Well, you know, that's kind of where we're at as far as like, you know, we talk about this every year with Apple
01:20:31
and targeting like you probably don't need a new phone every single year, but how far back are you that you should
01:20:37
upgrade to these new phones? And I think it's probably pretty common for people to be right around the 12 or the 13
01:20:42
series right now. Yeah. And those people will find any of these tempting, I think. Yeah, this is
01:20:49
something I was thinking about actually earlier when we were doing the Pixel stuff because I switched over to the Pixel
01:20:55
and I noticed I was I was just texting people and it was just like RCS chat with this person, RCS chat with this
01:21:01
person and I was like, you know, Apple was really stubborn about adding RCS,
01:21:07
but the fact that they force people to update their software and that their software update numbers are so high
01:21:13
means that wow, I can use RCS with all these iPhone people now and I didn't have to force them to update their
01:21:19
phones. Yeah, it was pretty nice. Yeah, it's pretty handy. Yeah. So, I you know I I think the 17
01:21:25
the 17 air I think the iPhone Air Am I allowed to call it 17 Air? No. Okay. I think I think the iPhone Air is
01:21:32
a really interesting bet. Uh we will be testing it. I will find out exactly how good or bad the battery life is. Stay
01:21:39
tuned. Get subscribed. See that feel and look amazing. I have to say it does feel super light and super thin
01:21:45
and very impressive. Just like the thin iPad, just like the S25 Edge, just like the S11 Ultra tablet,
01:21:51
just like the iPhone 6. Yeah, that 6 Plus was that has a reputation.
01:21:56
Uh yeah, we'll see if it bends. But the idea is it's a it's a super thin phone and we'll see how well it does.
01:22:03
Yeah, I have one more thing. One more thing. That's very appropriate. It is a little
01:22:09
This is just something I noticed. As far as I can tell, none of these new phones that were announced are compatible with
01:22:16
the Apple polishing cloth. Oh, yeah. I'm true. Dang. As of right now, the polishing cloth is only up to the iPhone.
01:22:21
I've been refreshing the page to make sure that they didn't update it. They still have be careful. If you use
01:22:27
We might get polishing cloth 2 two times softer. I don't want to make any I don't want to make any like claims, but
01:22:32
allegedly if you use the Apple polishing cloth on any of the 17 series phones or the Air, it will be destroyed instantly.
01:22:40
Did you survive? It's like a It's like um It's wavy and an antiarticle.
01:22:45
We did this fool's joke a while ago. We took the first phone that's not on the list and like Marquez did slight of hand
01:22:51
to pretend to wipe it and then it just shattered like right after. Light imitates art, man. I I don't I
01:22:57
don't know what else to tell you. Could happen. I think somebody just has to update the uh the page here.
01:23:02
Yeah, probably. But uh you know what else imitates art? Trivia.
01:23:08
Nice. Thanks. Before we I hit the second button, I just want to say big shout out
01:23:14
and thank you to the amazing audio engineering team running this session right now whose limiters are so dialed
01:23:20
in that I literally couldn't clip my mic when I tried to yell at Andrew earlier. It just doesn't work. Uh, but anyway,
01:23:27
and every and everyone else who helped here set this up. Always appreciate it. Yeah, truly. There's lighting and camera and I know
01:23:34
you like sound so much. I don't know what any of that stuff is. Um, Ellis only cares about audio. I only care about audio.
01:23:39
Were you paying attention and whether you guys were paying attention or not, guys? Genlock.
01:23:45
Genlock. That's it. I just care about Genlock. Um, guys, there's a new thing
01:23:51
that they added to the trail loop. And I just want to say when I was writing this question, I kept being like, I'm calling it the trail loop. It's called the trail
01:23:57
band. A trail loop is what you walk on when you do a hike. Damn, I've been calling the trail loop this and I kept changing. Well, it is called
01:24:03
the loop. Yeah, I I doubleed myself. But what's what's new with it, guys? What did they
01:24:08
Here, I'll give you a little What's the deal with the trail ad? Mhm. To the Trail Loop.
01:24:14
Yes. Specifically. Yeah. They mentioned this a couple times. I'm not shocked that Andrew knows this.
01:24:20
I missed it every time. It's my favorite band they make. So much so that I have knockoff Garmin version of it.
01:24:26
The knockoff version is going to add this too for sure. Oh, yeah. They might have already had it. I mean, they'll add it just because on
01:24:32
the Amazon link, they can add one more thing to the title. Just making sure we didn't miss any emergency things that happened. If you
01:24:39
got this question right, I'm going to be skeptical. I'm getting this wrong. All right, everyone. Who wants to go first?
01:24:45
Uh, I think Andrew. Okay. So, why doesn't David go first then? Cuz I'm wrong. Well, because you put the
01:24:52
the the the different thing. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote magnets.
01:24:58
Yes. Actually, did they No, they didn't add magnets, but they did add magnets to a lot of stuff this year. Well, yeah, we'll get to that anyway. Go
01:25:04
ahead. Oh, we didn't talk about the cross body. Hey. Hey, we just did. There we go.
01:25:11
Look, that's fine. That's very popular in Asia. It has magnets now. It's popular in a
01:25:16
lot of Yeah, they have a Yeah, cross body strap has magnets. So that's why I was thinking maybe the trail loop.
01:25:21
No, it's I like the way you think and you're right. We need we need more cross body cross. He's wrong.
01:25:28
All right. What is the answer? The answer is what Andrew Marquez put, which is one, two, three.
01:25:34
Reflective thread type of material. What does that mean? Technically, if we're being pedantic,
01:25:39
you're both wrong. Let's go. Uh because they refer to it everywhere as a reflective yarn.
01:25:46
I just remember it was like wo I thought they meant it was woven. Yarn's not thread. I think I'll give you the point where
01:25:52
I said material. Yarn not a material. Thread is part of matter. The idea is the uh the trail loop now
01:25:59
has on the outsides. It's got this little reflective material in it which will make you more visible. I feel like they didn't show that in the
01:26:06
Could you could you see it when you saw it? Like could you see the reflective thing? I mean yeah, but it was like daylight.
01:26:12
I want to see what it looks like. They didn't show it on the thing, but I thought it was interesting. I want to see what it looks like patina because a
01:26:18
lot of the 3M reflective material only lasts like a few years before it's no longer reflective.
01:26:23
You should have updated three times by then. Just get a new watch, bro.
01:26:28
How did you erase this? My fingy? Oh, yeah. Do you want Do you want to use my fingy?
01:26:34
You have to. Um, wait. So, does Andrew get that point? Yeah. Mark Andrew got that point. I'm
01:26:40
just being a little nudnick over here. Sometimes magnets are reflective.
01:26:45
Sometimes if you polish them with jetlock with jetlock if you polish if
01:26:51
you take if you take the blackmagic iPhone accessory and you rub it on a rare earth magnet. I just love that Apple will randomly
01:26:58
like bring out some random like industry term that 98% of the people that are
01:27:04
watching the event have no idea what it Not to keep talking about genlock, but the the the the really cool part about
01:27:09
using an iPhone as a camera is that you can use so many of them with such a small space and power footprint. And so
01:27:17
the ability to frame sync 50 cameras like that, 60 cameras, 100 cameras, you
01:27:22
can literally make up a number that is like that is like that really opens up the door to a lot of like experimental
01:27:29
film making, especially what we do. Like picture what we could do in robot room with 200 iPhones all genlocked. I'm
01:27:35
going to gem lock myself room after this event. Brandon's here. I'm gonna pass it over
01:27:40
to Adam now because I've been talking for a while. Second, you don't have to pass it over because we each have our own mic.
01:27:46
Oh my god. I know it's weird. So, question number two. But first, quick update on the score. Marquez. Wait, quick update on the score.
01:27:52
Wait, Marquez and I were right last week about the 89 on the DxO Mark. So, update that score. So last week the question
01:28:00
was what scored DxO Mark did the Pixel have when it launched the first one. You
01:28:05
both put 89. That is what it was when it launched. They changed it after to 90. So a lot of people yelled at me saying
01:28:12
that it was 89 and you guys got it right. So fine, you guys get the point. Uh so question number two. Yeah,
01:28:17
they showed off two new watch faces for the Apple Watch Series 11.
01:28:22
One of them was called Flo Mickey Mouse. The other one was a modern interpretation of a traditional
01:28:28
regulator clock. What was that one called? Also, why the music's playing? You never
01:28:34
actually updated the scores. I know. Marquez has four now. Andrew has seven. David has two.
01:28:40
What? Dang, David. Come on. What's going on? David, get your head in the game, bro. Dang. You spent all his karma last
01:28:46
He wins one trivia and then that's it. He I guess so. Make sure you give me 30 points in the
01:28:52
extravaganza. Yeah, I'm not getting this right. Flip them. What do you got? This question is now worth 30 points.
01:28:57
Oh my god. Who wants to go first? Did we all write the same thing? Actually, what did you write?
01:29:03
Oh, I wrote uh the wave waypoint face.
01:29:08
That was a cool thing that the always on display could live update with the like
01:29:14
one entry. Andrew and I both wrote Hermes. Hermes. Yeah,
01:29:19
that was one of the new fac. It was a cool one, but no, that's not the one. This one's called Exactograph.
01:29:25
Oh, rolls off the tone. Wow, that's great. Sounds cool. It was a cool one. I liked it. What was the some the sync clock or
01:29:32
whatever it was? Genlock. No. No. Genlock. I'm just going to start.
01:29:37
Did someone say genlock? Next year it's going to be Genlock. Gen two. Oh my god. Next gen.
01:29:42
No, it's going to be next gen. Genlock. Two gen two lock year. I have a question.
01:29:48
Genlock and never Jennifer lock. Huh? Why are we not being formal? If you guys were Apple, how are you?
01:29:53
Or if you were betting on Apple, what do you think is the next most likely pro-named feature to move to a
01:30:02
nonpro device? This podcast is sponsored by Poly Market and DraftKings. That's not true. Only
01:30:07
allegedly. Uh I think they're going to pro the next pro. Wait, ask the question
01:30:12
I got. I was too busy making a bad joke. So promotion was the first pro-labeled feature to move to a nonprolleabeled
01:30:19
device in the 17 in the 17 air or the air. Yeah. What is the next between like ProRes
01:30:25
ProRes raw pro raw photos between all the pro labeled features? What's the next most likely you think they could
01:30:32
move? Pro Fusion. Is that a thing? No. The cameras. That's just called Fusion. And the bases
01:30:39
already have that. Yeah. Oh, so it already has but it's not called proision. It's called fusion camera. It's just fusion camera.
01:30:45
Yeah, I think it's like you're thinking of that other Fusion thing from a long time ago. Deep fusion. Deep fusion. Oh god. Deep that many pro features
01:30:53
left. Other there's only like four by name. I think they're all camera. Pro raw photos. ProRes video. ProRes raw video
01:31:02
and prologue uh prologue log. I think I think every new iPhone is
01:31:09
going to come with a Honda prologue. Oh, yeah. I would I would believe that before Pro.
01:31:14
I think it's going to be Pro Raw. Pro Raw. Yeah, I could see that. You need a lot of storage for ProRes video,
01:31:20
but you can do Pro Raw. Yeah, you can do Pro Raw. I'll go. They're going to announce another Pro feature and that will be the
01:31:26
one that comes first. They they eventually have to start moving them over, right? Because like
01:31:31
that's what happens every year is every single year they take the base iPhone and they take something that was just in
01:31:37
the better iPhone from the previous year and they put it in the base iPhone. So they have to be careful about what they name pro because they have to be
01:31:42
sure they're not going to move it. Yeah. They ran out and they just Yeah. I'm just surprised that they called it that. Like they could have called it
01:31:48
something else and just said it was worse for some reason. So you guys have all failed. There's actually already one.
01:31:54
The A19 Pro is in the iPhone Air. Yeah, but the Air Marquez. But the Air is not the pro.
01:32:02
It's not a numbered. Yeah, I guess. But if it started if it started in it
01:32:08
is a nonpro phone. Also, it's not But it is a nonpro phone, but the iPhone Air is not like a numbered phone, you know, like iPhone
01:32:15
16. I agree 17. But I'm just saying A19 Pro non-pro phone. Says the Air isn't a Pro.
01:32:21
Air Pro Max. The name. Yeah. English. Yeah. Okay. Hey, we've been chatting for a while.
01:32:27
Thank you guys for watching and listening. Uh, of course your regularly scheduled programming will continue, but stay tuned for some other programming,
01:32:34
but stay tuned for some other stuff that's also in the pipeline. It's Teeptember and Techtober. There's a lot of stuff always happening. So, uh, get
01:32:41
subscribed if you haven't already. Thanks again to Apple for hosting us here. Thanks again to you for watching and subscribing. Uh, back to one mic.
01:32:48
You two. Yeah, unfortunately. See you guys next week. Peace. Genlock.
01:32:54
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01:33:00
Bingo. And the entire team here at Apple and the Yeah. The entire team here at Apple. Hit it out. Very much appreciate.
01:33:12
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01:33:21
Pulse. Pulse. Pulse. Pulse. Except because of red shift, it takes way too long for the pulse to get through. Yeah,
01:33:27
too deep. David, sorry. Okay. I don't think I can name all the planes.
