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And I was like, "Well, you know what? This isn't such a big deal because I'll spend the money that I have on a new one
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to give to him, but if I find it, I get a new toy." And um that's Did you ever find it?
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I did. It was hanging It was hanging on like the side handle of the car. Oh,
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that's such good story. That's some Toy Story. I don't remember. You actually left it at a pizza joint
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and it was just trying to get back into the car. Optimus was like, "I'm finally getting out.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got so many headlines to finish up Techtober that we're going
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to do. Headlines in a hat. Everyone's favorite game. There is no winner or loser. It's just a
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game that everyone's a winner. Everyone's a winner. The audience is a winner after they subscribe. Well, we've put all the headlines that we think are interesting
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or worth talking about at all this week and we put them in a hat and then we're going to pick them out and react talk about them. So, we've got stuff like
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Android XR, the browser war is coming back, uh, a bunch of things that went down during AWS's outage, including
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probably the site you're watching this on, uh, pink iPhone updates, and more. So, without any further ado, I pick
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first. Yeah, I'll pick first. So much stuff happened this week. It was a struggle. I was like building the script yesterday
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and I was like, "How is it possible that we talk about all of these topics?" Yeah, luckily none of them are gigantic.
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Well, we can Well, we can yap enough to make something gigantic, but um Oh, the most boring one goes first.
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The first draw. Uh maybe this is Galaxy XR launch.
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So, I'll give you what's boring about it and I'll give you what's interesting about it. All right, hit me. So, Galaxy XR, we did a video months and months ago, actually,
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taking a first look at Samsung's competitor to the Vision Pro. And on one
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hand, why would you be trying to make a competitor to the Vision Pro if the Vision Pro isn't even doing what the
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Vision Pro thought it could do? But Samsung's come along and they've made a headset that is premiumly priced,
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premiumly built, and has almost every equivalent feature you could possibly imagine. It has the same external
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battery. It has the same look. It has the same glass on the front. Uh, but it's made by Samsung and it's running Android XR. So, it has a bunch of things
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that I think make it better than the Vision Pro. It might not be as high fidelity. It might not plug into the
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Apple ecosystem, but it has a YouTube app. That is important. That is very important.
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It has a YouTube app, right? It has working AI features everywhere
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built into the OS. I actually think this is it best feature. Gemini. Gemini everywhere. And I saw some demos
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of it and they continue to evolve on this where you can talk to Gemini really naturally. I'm probably triggering
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somebody's right now, but they can say things like, "Oh, I think all my windows are are kind of messy. If you could fix
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that, Gemini, that would be great." And it hears that sentence and knows that you're triggering Gemini, and we'll reorganize your windows. So, you don't
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have to say the klutzy, "Okay, G, do this for me." Like, you can kind of just
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talk and trigger Gemini on occasion, which is nice. Um, now that being said, I don't know if there are, you know,
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things about it that are going to one up Vision Pro other than the software features being way better. Uh, but it is
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$17.99, half the price. It is half the price of Vision Pro. It is significantly lighter and more
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comfortable to wear than Vision Pro. And uh, it will plug into your Google ecosystem. So, I'm a fan. I'm going to
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check it out. Can I ask potentially a stupid question? Yeah, sure. What is this called? cuz I just realized
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it's written as Galaxy XR, but this says infinite possibilities of XR with Galaxy
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X AI. So, it's running Android XR software. Yes.
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And the headset is called the Samsung Galaxy XR. Okay, that's the headset name.
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It's not Project Muhan anymore. That was the That's the video. We made the video about Project Muhan, but yeah,
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now we know it's the Galaxy XR. It's $1799. It is uh out basically now. They
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actually have a bunch of software that comes with it like subscriptions. So if you you buy it early, there's an explorer pack which comes with 12 months
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of Google AI Pro, 12 months of YouTube Premium, three months of YouTube TV for a dollar, a season of NBA League pass,
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12 months of Google Play pass, and a whole bunch of other NFL Pro Eraster,
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Adobe Project, Pulsar, a whole bunch of other That sounds like the list of side effects after like a medicine
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commercial. It's a bunch of what are we doing before buying? But if they're not all the same time, one of them costs a dollar. That's
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it's more about the content. Like when you get in this headset, you're like, "Well, I want to watch uh what's it like to watch a NBA broadcast and you kind of
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just want to jump in and see what it's like without committing to a whole season." Bam, you jump in. You got a free year of it. They're definitely just like leaning
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into the content consumption of these things. They're not even trying to be like, "Look at all these other cool things you could do."
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I mean, with Vision Pro, that was Yeah. Like the dinosaur demo, remember? Yeah. I mean, what ended up being the
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things that broke through on Vision Pro were the content consumption. Exactly. And that's why they keep pushing all of
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their special spatial movies and everything. And I keep getting these press releases being like, "Do you want to come to a special unveiling of this
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4minute experience?" And I'm like, "No, I don't. I'll be a no for me."
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Yeah. I'll just repeat it has a YouTube app. Yeah. Rip to Juno, by the way.
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Is there still a YouTube VR thing? Remember with like Google Cardboard if you were watching YouTube Cardboard
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logo. Is that still there? I think that's still a thing. Well, this is a thing. So, both these headsets now will natively play back
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tons of online 360 videos. So, if you open the YouTube app and you play a 360
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video, which I've uploaded, I think one ever, uh, you are just placed in the
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environment. You can look around and watch the video in the environment as it plays out in front of you, which is kind of cool. That's cool. Is there a persona type
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thing that they do or no? any sort of video calling capabilities? Yes. Now, Apple's personas with and we
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can talk about the Vision Pro in a second have gotten way more uh high fidelity and lifelike and and have made
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genuine improvements to look less uncanny valley and more real. Yeah. Samsung's
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uh are not trying to do that. They're just doing the opposite. They are cartoons. Correct. They are cartoon characters.
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That's what it should be. No, like Fortnite. That is a popular game and those are
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cartoonish as hell. Well, that's Fortnite. If I'm on a call with my call in Fortnite,
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mom or something or my cousin, I just want to see like, oh, show me your spot
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or like, oh, like, let's chat about whatever. I I don't want to see a cartoon. No, I'd rather see your face.
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I think also when you you have to assume that a video call is not all going to be right in XR. So, that means half of them
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will be Windows with a real life face and half of them will be cartoon heads. Here's the same for
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Sorry. Same thing for Vision Pro though. It's either even though it's more realistic, it's still a weird this is an
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actual video and this is a persona. This is true for Vision Pro and Samsung, but I could just picture like a big
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group call where someone's like, "Hey, can you actually like can you get off the headset like this is serious?" Well, yeah. Here are going to be the two
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camps, right? It's the people that use Mimoji as their profile photos will love
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will love the Galaxy XR. Yeah. Cartoon City. Uh, the people who do that,
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I have no respect for you. I'm sorry. I I don't You have to That's like all of my family.
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No respect for your family. All of my family. They need to change. Go to therapy.
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Go to therapy. But yeah, there's the the the gulf in like realism. I kind of feel like they
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do this because they aren't as good at that. Like I feel like if you could make a really realistic avatar, you would offer that. But because they cannot,
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they are sticking with a highly customizable cartoon. It's the safe bet. It's the safe bet. Yeah.
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Apple has put This is like Apple's on their third iteration of this. Remember the original Personas were in beta.
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Horrible. Yeah, they're tough. And they've gotten better and better and better and they have a whole Persona team. Samsung's just
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I bet you Google and Samsung don't really think this is going to work out in the next couple of years, right? Like
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we had the Windows XR headsets that came out during the whole like Windows 11 3D
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thing or Windows 10 3D. Uh I don't think that Samsung or Google are that sure on that this is going to
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be the future of computing and so I don't think they want to commit like a whole team to actually like making photorealistic avatar software.
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It's funny because that's kind of where I landed with the Vision Pro review. Is that is that one of the headlines in the hat? There is a Vision Pro. We got M5.
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Yeah, we talk about M5 and the new strap and stuff. I'll get to that when we talk about that. Okay. But yeah, that's Galaxy XR. Nothing
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really else to talk about it with it, right? That's that's pretty any other. No one knows. It's the same It's the same cost as the foldable. So, there's that.
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With the Vision Pro, you got to go you got to get the fit in. Yes. Same with the Samsung. Nope.
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No. No. How? Uh, it's very customizable. The whole like band thing and it doesn't like fully light seal
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around your eyes. So, with Apple, you're like fitting a light seal thing. This one doesn't have a light seal. Okay. But it's like in in focus and it
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doesn't Yeah. Wait, for Apple, you just need to do like a face scan with your phone, right?
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Yes. You do a face scan with your phone and then you get a size designated for you,
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which is to give you a somewhat snug fitting light leak uh cover thing. And the Samsung is one sizefits-all. The
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Samsung has no cover, so you can kind of just look around and see down and around the room around you, but in front of you
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is the uh the headsets and the speed and the lenses still move to align with your eyes and like everything looks sharp and
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the sizing of the whole headset is is fairly customizable, but it's one size fits all. I have one more question. As someone who
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uh has spent an inordinate amount of their life in Vision Pro, yes. Um this one is $1,800.
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Yeah. Um so how does it compare build quality? Have you gotten to wear it yet? You you did. Yeah, you wore it.
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Yeah. So, how does it compare sit? I mean, the funny thing about comparing it to Vision Pro is it's kind of not a
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good comparison. It does everything else the same as Vision Pro, but it's made of plastic like a Quest. Like, it's built
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way more like a Quest. So, it's way lighter. I think that the thing that kind of just holds onto your forehead is like pretty
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nice and snug and comfortable and soft enough and then it wraps around your head. And the weight distribution with some of the battery on the back of your
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head, it's just way way better to wear for a long time. The actual goggles are aluminum though, right?
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I got to pick them up again, but I don't think they are. I think it's glass on the front and then the rest is is plastic, which is it's good for weight.
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It doesn't mean it's going to hold up when dropping as well, I guess, as aluminum, but Good question. I just want to There is a light seal for
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the XR. There's an available light seal. An available light seal, but by defa Okay, that's actually true. Yeah, you
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can pop one on, but by default, you don't seem to need one. It looks like metal to me, but who
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knows? Okay, I have another question before we hop off this topic. Uh, as the person who sits next to Ellis
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while he is in this VR world using the Vision Pro in like multiple monitors,
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can this have multiple monitors like a computer? That's a good question. I had not gotten
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to try that. I would be willing to bet that you could get displays to show up
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on it from a computer, but it wouldn't be as easy as like tapping a button next to your Mac. I'm betting you'd need
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specific software to make that work, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm excited to get a review device for this so we can
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actually mess with it. As of the last time I used the Vision Pro, you still could not do multiple monitors on it. You could have one
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monitor. They have the wide screen now. So true. Ultra wide screen. My last question because the thing that
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kept me out of the Vision Pro besides the weight, I I never really had a problem with the
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weight. I guess I'm just like built like an F1 driver. You know what I mean? like just like trading out the but um
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I can see it. It was the heat. It was like which I guess makes me not built like an F1 driver.
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It kind of blows hot air into your eyes. I just got so schvitzy in the Vision
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Pro. Do you Did you have similar experiences in the Samsung XR? So, we'll get to the new Vision Pro. The
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Samsung XR? No. It's been so long. When you don't have the light seal, it's more breathable way.
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Your eyes can breathe. Your eyes can breathe. Yeah. Which is nice. And I didn't, you know, I didn't stress test it or game or do
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mirrored displays for hours at a time, so maybe it would get hotter if I did that sort of thing, but I imagine
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because it's more open, it wouldn't be a problem. Did your face feel hot on Meta Quest Pro?
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Cuz that's more similar to the openness Quest Pro. Not saying it's closer to Quest Pro.
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Wait, but like in terms of Well, and the lack of seal to be honest.
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I couldn't have as long sessions in Quest Pro. Not Quest 3, but Quest Pro
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because the the it was just so much less it focused so less well that like I
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would get headaches from eye strain, which I don't remember ever feeling eye strain on the Vision Pro. I'm trying to
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remember. I think Quest 3 was like a little better, but and I do remember heat being a problem on Quest 3 because
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I was using it for those long sessions, but Quest 3 is a bunch of other issues that just make it frustrating for long
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sessions. Well, yeah. It's It's sealed around your That's why I was asking. It's more Quest Pro is more similar to like Galaxy XR
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because if you're not using the light seal, it's open, right? Yeah. For Quest 3, I taped a
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bunch of microfiber cloths around my face cuz I don't I don't like the the um seeing the room light.
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No, like like I I don't want I don't want MR. I want I want VR.
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Interesting. Right. Interesting. All right. You want to pick one, David? Yeah. Glad we got the most boring topic
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out of the way first. I don't know. I think there's one other one on here that might be more top. Pink iPhone update.
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It's now we're talking. It's that one. Now, baby talking. Okay. This is really It was a conspiracy
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theory at first, right? And then it kind of just surfaced a little bit more from one or two people doing this. I've got the timeline downline if you
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want me to uh if you want me to. Okay. What is the point of that? So, there was an update last week, but we didn't bring it up because it was for
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those who missed two weeks ago. There was a Reddit post about a guy whose orange iPhone 17 Pro Max looked like it
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was turning pink. Um, and rose gold as he rose gold. I don't know. Unfortunately, they did say rose gold.
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Well, that person then made another post with a couple more pictures mostly just
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replying that he was mad that no one believed him without providing much more context. So, it was like, okay, this
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didn't feel like much of an update. Since then, we've gotten a new Tik Tok video where somebody has the same issue
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and another Reddit post where someone has the same issue where they're explaining a little better in it and also have video of it. Um, and through
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all of that, just, you know, now we have three examples, 9 to5 Mac decided to make an a article about why it might be
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happening. There's still no this is definitely why it happened, but we have the idea of why it might be happening.
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And some of these, I mean, it's pink. Your boy's real pink. It is
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hot pink. I think it's pretty dramatic. The drasticness of it is why I was like,
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I don't know if I fully believe this. I kind of want that. It's pretty cool. What happens to the blue one? That's what I also Well, here's the
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thing. Here's what 9 to5 thinks is happening. And if you wanted to test it, you could try. But basically potentially using
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cleaner that involves bleach or hydrogen peroxide is one of the things that Apple tells you not to do.
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Yeah. On cleaning material like this because of the anodization layer. Yes. Which is exactly what we predicted.
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Yeah, pretty much. Um, you know, it's not that much of an update, but this is potentially why it's happening. If we
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wanted to test it out, I guess we could try and Why did this person wipe their phone with hydrogen peroxide?
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We don't know. They have not said that they did that. And I think it's hydrogen peroxide inside of the cleaner. It doesn't have to be straight hydrogen
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peroxide. I have a lot of that in my Let's uh let's We should take Marquez's orangey phone and divide it in into four
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quadrants and stain one of them with bleach, one of them with hydrogen peroxide, one Marquez's iPhone is already nuts. He
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like put us Do you want to describe your current uh I I put a I put an Area 51 Dbrand skin
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on it and then I decided I didn't apply it very neatly and I was like, "Ah, I'll start over. I'll try again." and I tore
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it off. And halfway after halfway through tearing it off, more than halfway
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70% 78% into tearing it off, I thought it looked kind of cool like that. So
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you just looked over from your desk and you were like, "I think I like this." And I'm like, "What? The orange phone?"
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You're like, "No, this like Dbrand look." And I'm like, "Yeah, but you're not done taking it off." And you're like, "Yeah, it looks like for audio listeners, like
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when Venom starts taking over and like half of his face has like the black web
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stuff." Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've taken I've had this thought before. I've been taking skins off the off of things
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before I thought it looks sick and then I always just finished taking it off this time. I'm like, "This is a look." Now I have This is a one of one
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skin. You better not take my skin off. This that would be a one of one skin as well.
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So yeah, I'm I'm sticking with that. Yeah. Part of me wants to half dip a uh an iPhone in like hydrogen peroxide and
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see if you can get like I have a ton at home if we want to do it. Yeah, Zach could do that. I have a ton of hydrogen. Somebody needs to Yeah. try this. But
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yeah, that's kind of the update. It's not too much. But there's multiple videos now, which I do think helps solidify that maybe this isn't a prank.
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Sure. But also, whenever I think about gates with iPhones or any phone, I just think about how realistic is this for
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the average person? Like when the iPhone 6 Plus started folding under not that
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much pressure, it was like theoretically someone could sit on it with their in their back pocket.
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Somebody could accidentally bend their phone and that would actually be kind of a big deal. Or the I what was it? The 4S
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or five antenna gate. Which which one was that? That was the 4S. 4S I think where if you hold the phone
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in a certain way which some people really held that way you'd cover the antennas and the and and you'd actually
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have worse signals. Most people are wrong. Those are realish gates because that could affect you with regular use,
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right? How many people are regularly cleaning their phone with like an alcoholbased
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solvent all the time to the point where their phone starts changing colors? Yeah. Hydrogen peroxide like ultra
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industrial strength cleaner. Like I bet you could
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I bet you could dip your orange iPhone in there and it would change colors. But is that a gate? Well, also my question
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cuz we don't know what this guy did to get it to turn this way, but my question is if that is truly the reason.
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We should see other why was he wiping his phone with hydrogen peroxide or a similar chemical. So,
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I know you buy. Yeah, he could have been like not wiping his phone but doing other things and his
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hands had like residue of hydrogen peroxide and then go back or like whatever he was using bleach.
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Can I throw one more wrench in all this for all the still conspiracy believers? Okay. Okay. The second Reddit post has 650
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upvotes, 379 comments. The person who posted responded a bunch,
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but for some reason when you click his profile, it says there doesn't seem to be anything here despite having 9,000
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post karma, 2,000 comment karma, but no, it it won't show any of his posts or
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comments or anything. Is that because he has 11 or something? He has it set to private. I thought it would say private. I think
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I'll just bring in I'll bring in all my film development chemicals. We'll dip a bunch of phones.
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We'll have a gate and we'll create our own gate. We'll get all the clicks. You said it this time.
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Create. I like to put it next to the mic so you can hear the It's the headlines in the hat.
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Yeah. For the audio. The headlines. They are in a hat. Apple TV Formula 1.
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Oh, very quick. Yeah. What happened? Okay. So, Apple TV officially announced they are the exclusive partner of
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Formula 1 in the US for the next 5 years starting in 206. Yep. This is like this thing where I
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think is usually like most people hate stuff like this and I totally agree. I hate
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exclusivity on like a platform that you might not give a damn about paying for to watch sports. Um,
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to clarify, are you talking about Apple TV the hardware? Apple TV the apps? Apple TV, the subscription service. Just
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the Apple TV. You can only watch it on the physical Apple TV. Yeah. Sorry. The subscription service is now going to be the only way
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you can watch Formula 1 in the US. Um, starting making fun of their branding. No, no, no.
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Technically, the hardware is called the Apple TV 4K. The new one. Technically, I don't think I think it's
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the only one they make right now. Thanks, J. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for waiting.
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Yeah, they bought the whole sport in the US. In the US. It makes total sense. Formula 1 movie they made was great. It did really,
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really well. You know, Marquez said it was predictable. Yeah, it was fine. It probably made a ton of money, which
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is all they give a damn about. Um, so this makes a lot of sense. I still think exclusivity sucks. Um, they are
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providing some coverage for free for everyone, limited to select races and
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possible practice sessions, which is hilarious because if you watch F1, FP1, FP2, FP3 are like three sessions that
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happen that they mean nothing, you know, do pretty much nothing. I'm sure people enjoy watching it, but it's
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usually like testing out balance and tires and stuff like that on the car and watch it on YouTube. It it means nothing to the actual
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standings. Um, okay. So saying that some of that happened is like cool, you could get a bunch. And I'm just waiting for the like
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select race they do to be like Japan that happens at 2 a.m. in the US and
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nobody can watch it. Anyways, um for anyone wondering, there used to be a subscription service called F1 TV, which
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was a way you can get a ton of different angles and broadcast and stuff like that. That will just be baked into the
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Apple TV subscription for next year, which is good news. Did they buy it? I don't know if it's
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just now the subscription service that was showing stuff like Sky Sports will be inside of
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because wasn't a big part of the F1 app itself like that you can have your own configuration on what angles you wanted
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to watch different stream like fees? Yeah, different fees, but you can like customize how you wanted it to look.
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I don't know exactly that, but weirdly this works out great for me because right now I'm paying for cable for
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hockey and Formula 1. That's all I care about. And cable sucks and is expensive.
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Are you going to cut the cable? I'm going to cut cable next year. And I also have not watched a single
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Apple TV show or movie because I don't have it and I've never like that as like a new
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I'm looking at it as now I can cut cable, get an app for hockey and have Formula 1 on Apple TV and finally get to
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watch all of the things. This is the most niche. Yeah. This is male math. Yeah. So it
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works great for me. I have a story. Yeah. Okay. This is related to you thing. When
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I was like 12, I borrowed this Transformer toy from my friend and then I lost it
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and I decided to do boy math and I was like, well, you know what? This isn't such a big deal because I'll
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spend the money that I have on a new one to give to him, but if I find it, I get a new toy.
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And um that's Did you ever find it? I did. It was hanging It was hanging on like the side handle of the car.
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Oh, that's such a good story. That's some Toy Story. I don't remember. You actually left it at a pizza joint
00:23:28
and it was just trying to get back into the car. Optimus was like, I'm finally getting out.
00:23:33
But it's the same thing. It's like you wouldn't have Apple TV and you're like, actually, I'm glad cuz now I get to watch the Apple TV show.
00:23:38
It's just like how, you know, I spend, you know, $17 a month on League Pass and another $10 a month on YouTube or I
00:23:45
guess more like $2 a month on YouTube Premium for now. So, if I just spend $1,800 on the Samsung XR,
00:23:54
I can stop paying for them. I get one year of free YouTube premium. I was like, does that math out? Does it
00:23:59
math? No, not even close. Well, the one year of League Pass, one year of let's say you cancel all these
00:24:06
subscriptions cuz that you're getting them for free now. You You get a year of League Pass. You get a year of what was
00:24:11
it? YouTube Premium and Gemini. And Gemini Pro and three months of something for a
00:24:17
dollar. Yay. It could be N and sleep apnoa.
00:24:23
Math. Yeah. Remember that really cool like F1 concept vision pro app that has like the
00:24:29
track and everything. People are hoping that like that might be a really cool way of doing all of this inside there
00:24:34
and that maybe with the exclusivity for 5 years. We could see something like that. Sounds awesome. Can't imagine
00:24:39
wearing Vision Pro for an entire race. That sounds if you're the driver. Yeah, races are could be pretty long.
00:24:45
They're pretty long. But that would be so sick. That would be the best vantage point. The one extremely niche thing that I can say is now that I've been to
00:24:52
an F1 race, there's it's really hard to pick one vantage point. Like the broadcast is the best vantage point to
00:24:58
watch a race. And if you're if you're at the race, you can watch one corner basically. So if you can find a corner,
00:25:04
but then you can also turn around and see a TV with the broadcast. Then you can watch the race and watch the cars at the same time.
00:25:09
There are some points in a race that have that in the grand stands. There'll be like a TV, but like you really can go on some corners where you're just in
00:25:16
like a field. But I think the ultimate vantage point is the Vision Pro concept, which is you can watch the broadcast and
00:25:22
look down at a little mini map of where all the cars are on the track at the same time. That's sick. I can't wait for the race where there's
00:25:27
just like a group of 20 people in Vision Pro and like lawn chairs at one random corner off to the side of
00:25:33
Yeah. Yeah. Apple has been eating up all of these like niche sports broadcast.
00:25:39
I can't believe it's called Formula Okay, thank you. You mean baseball? Are you talking about baseball?
00:25:44
Formula One. The niche sport. niche sport exclusive rights to MLB. Yeah, they have not exclusive. Not exclusive.
00:25:50
That's what I'm saying. Oh, no. Yeah, I mean exclusive like MLS you can only watch on Apple TV. What's MLS?
00:25:56
Major League Soccer. He only watches Premier League. Well, Premier League is everywhere. There's no way they're going to buy what
00:26:01
David watches. But MLS is Apple. Now F1 is Apple. I
00:26:06
think they're going to eventually add NHL. That's the next biggest sport from the bottom up.
00:26:12
It's not worth it. I love hockey, but it's not making enough money for Apple. You'll have to make an Apple TV NHL
00:26:18
show. It's not for money. They're just trying to get the content so people will subscribe. That's actually true. They should get Ultra Fris.
00:26:24
I want to say back in the back in the Vive days with HTC, you know, HTC Vive.
00:26:29
Okay. HTC uh partnered with Valve and Valve is big
00:26:34
on, you know, Steam stuff and they made a VR Dota thing where you could watch live pro Dota games in VR and you could
00:26:41
like spin the map around and zoom in on things that were happening and it was super sick and it existed for like 3
00:26:47
months. I want that cuz that sounds cool. You guys have your niche sports. I need
00:26:52
my niche sport. Did you just call esports niche? Dota.
00:26:57
Dota's not that niche. Dota just copied legend. So n I'm going to riot.
00:27:02
That's at least 20 comments. That's 20 free engagement points. You're going to riot games. Okay. Oh god, they're all stuck together.
00:27:08
Should this be That was three so far. Four. We have 10 total. All right. I've got another topic. Headline and a
00:27:14
hat. Oh. Oh shoot. Open AI Atlas. The browser wars are so
00:27:21
back. And by that I mean another Chrome rapper. Uh yeah, baby. No, it's actually it's kind
00:27:27
of interesting. OpenAI drops Atlas, their browser this past week. I notably
00:27:32
have been, how do I say, in the market for a new browser lately. Unfortunately, Arc is still the best
00:27:39
browser. Every time I say it, I it sounds worse because it's even more and more out of date, but Arc is still the best browser,
00:27:45
but I'm giving all these new browsers a shot. And the reason I have all these browsers to give a shot is because all these browsers are adding AI sidebars
00:27:53
and aentic AI features etc to them one by one. Chrome does it perplexity's new
00:28:00
browser they have this stuff. DIA they have this stuff along the side. And now another one chat GPT themselves
00:28:08
OpenAI they have their own browser. It's literally called Chat GPT atlas. Yeah. So what did I do? I downloaded it.
00:28:15
That's right. I installed it. That's right. It's Mac OS only. I set it up so far. I know. Unfortunately, they said coming soon.
00:28:21
So far, this company is worth trillion. They want a trillion dollars and they can't.
00:28:26
I know. Give them a second, guys. They're just work. They're working on a slop scrolling app. Give them a second.
00:28:32
But, uh, I try it. It's It's I mean, I'd use DIA the most lately out of these browsers, and it's the same thing. I
00:28:40
haven't used the identic features nearly as much and to those who are that much in the weeds, this is probably a
00:28:47
differentiator. I don't know, man. But just because chat GPT is like the biggest player in this market next to
00:28:53
what Chrome and Gemini obviously people are willing to hear it out and so I'm giving it a shot and it's fine. Yeah,
00:28:59
it's fine. It doesn't have sidebar features, doesn't sync with any mobile app. There's only Mac OS. There are
00:29:05
plenty of things missing from it. I don't think extensions even work yet, but it's built on Chromium. So theoretically that's coming soon.
00:29:11
Browser wars are back. Yeah, it's um it's just DIA.
00:29:16
It's just DIA, which is just Chromium, which is like the argument that Dia is just a browser with chat GBT inside.
00:29:22
It's like both of them are just the other Spider-Man meme of just like each other because DIA literally is just a chat GBT
00:29:29
Chrome. Yep. and chat GPTt Atlas is also
00:29:35
Do you want to hear the psycho behavior that I've been using apps or browsers lately? When I'm like researching a
00:29:40
video, I have uh what's this called again? Arc I have Arc on my Arc's my main browser. Yeah,
00:29:47
on the left on the left and I'm doing most work in Arc with the writing, but then on the right I have an instance
00:29:53
of DIA open which is where I'm like messing with the tools and researching and finding links and and and messing
00:30:00
around there and I always have a tab open with chat GPT if I ever want to
00:30:05
reference anything that I'd done in chat GPT before. I can always have that chat GPT tab open because I can ask new
00:30:11
queries of it but I want to find the history of it. Oh, Atlas is basically just that tab
00:30:19
again. That's your browser. So you can when you pull up the sidebar in Atlas, it's just your chat GPT
00:30:25
history. Yeah. And so it's just that tab but expanded and now it's the whole browser. So now I'll have Atlas open on the right
00:30:33
and Arc open on the left. Yeah. And I was trying to main Arc or main
00:30:38
Atlas. God, these are so track. Yeah. And I mained it for like a day and a half and now I'm back on Ark. But it
00:30:43
came out yesterday afternoon. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Doesn't Arc have a sidebyside thing? Couldn't you just
00:30:49
It does. Do that in Arc. I can side by side, but I want to write full screen. Sorry. Yeah. It's just a
00:30:55
process. No, I get I get what you're saying cuz like my my ideal research setup as well is is a Google Doc window on the left
00:31:02
with an arc and then Dia on the right. because when I'm doing the research on the right windows, I sometimes like to
00:31:08
ask questions about the page. Yep. And then double check it, which takes too much time, but it, you know,
00:31:14
anyway. Um, so now there's this I I see what they're doing. Okay. Like
00:31:19
the reason they launched a browser is because these models get better the more context they have about you. And Google
00:31:26
automatically has all of the context possible about you with Chrome. Yep. They have all your Google accounts. They
00:31:32
have everything you've ever searched. all this stuff. So, every website you've ever gone to, all the frequencies and the the tendencies
00:31:38
you have online, all of it. So, OpenAI thinks, oh, if we want to make this like true digital personal assistant that knows everything about
00:31:45
you, it should know everything you've ever searched and blah blah blah. A a roadblock that I ran into yesterday is
00:31:51
that my brain is not wired to talk to the browser naturally. It's wired in SEO. So, I like searched the name of a
00:31:59
restaurant near me. It was like Dion D Greenpoint or whatever. But the problem the thing
00:32:04
about Atlas is that the search bar the default search bar page is just chat GPT. So if
00:32:09
you search it in in SEO language that's not natural language, it doesn't know
00:32:15
what to do with that. And now we're facing the opposite problem that we used to have when we didn't when the boomers
00:32:20
didn't know how to Google things, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I've I've done that a lot.
00:32:25
And chatbt has a search function built in, but it's it's not quite just like googling something. So often I'll just
00:32:31
command T and just type three words cuz I'm just trying to Google something real quick and find a link. And when you do that in these browsers, it tries to do a
00:32:39
search in the LLM for it. It just doesn't take much longer. It's not good. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. So I'm I'm rewiring a little bit
00:32:45
too. The one really useful feature that I see from this is that you can ask it to pull up a tab that you don't remember what
00:32:52
the website was just based on what it was. So you can say, can you pull up that page that I was looking at last week
00:32:58
that had this on it? and it will try to find through your search history and use the contextual information for your search history to bring that back up.
00:33:05
That is probably the most useful thing that just build that into Arc, dude.
00:33:10
Okay, wait. I have three three quick things. Okay, one, God, I love Firefox
00:33:16
and I'm so glad I don't have to do what you more often. You don't think it's next? You don't think Firefox is next?
00:33:21
Coming for you. Is it not funny that both of you somehow have turned into a arc on the left, Dia on the right, and
00:33:28
that the company makes both of them? Probably should have just thought about making them one singular thing.
00:33:33
Three, the biggest winner of all of this is that same company who's just making
00:33:38
what this Open AI thing was selling to a company who that is pretty funny.
00:33:44
Bought it for what? $700 million. It was $610 million. The browser company
00:33:51
was acquired. Yeah. Right before all these actually it gets better. The acquisition
00:33:58
Uhhuh. went through yesterday which was the same day that chat GBT
00:34:05
and Perplexity Comet just went public like like massive like it was invite only or whatever and that also dropped
00:34:10
yesterday. And also, um, Claude released a desktop app,
00:34:16
web desktop app, which they have a cool feature that if you double tap the caps lock button, it turns on the voice input mode.
00:34:24
Ooh, yeah, that's interesting. I want that for everything. I like that idea. So, it kind of just feel Yeah. Atlas
00:34:30
Chat GBT Atlas, which by the way, horrible name, but really good branding idea because normies know ChatGBT.
00:34:38
They would not just know Atlas. They would not know Atlas GBT. Really good branding. Even though it's it's horrible
00:34:43
branding, it's also good branding. Good logo, too. Uh, it looks like the Telegram icon. I thought Chat GBT was terrible
00:34:49
branding, but here we are. Everyone knows it. Everyone loves it. Terrible branding, but it somehow broke through.
00:34:54
It somehow broke through. That is just the signal end. Pilot. See here. Look, it feels to me like this
00:35:01
was a bit rushed. You know, I think they've been working on this for a very long time. The reports of them building
00:35:07
a browser have been going on for like 11 months or so is when these reports first dropped.
00:35:13
But it still feels like they rushed this out because it's it doesn't have that many fe like it's just Dia with like a
00:35:19
couple extra little things and then it tries to focus a lot on the agentic mode which you still can't really convince me
00:35:26
that anyone finds super useful. There's like a tiny extremely vocal
00:35:32
minority that loves the agentic part. Yeah, but they are like at the bleeding edge.
00:35:38
Yeah, it's most most people don't use it. It's a cool idea, but I don't know. I think that they were just worried that
00:35:44
if Anthropic came out with like a clawed browser quicker or if it's really
00:35:49
probably Chrome that they're all scared of. Um, yeah. So, it's going to be interesting. I'm I'm wondering how much
00:35:55
market share this gains. like they have such insane brand awareness and if they were to put this in chat GPT and say
00:36:01
download the chat GPT browser I think this would pop off pretty quick. I've been learning trying to learn a lot
00:36:07
of new things in the past few weeks. I'm trying to teach myself Blender. I'm trying to finally get my Python scripting together trying to like
00:36:12
incorporate all these new skills in my life lately. And so I've been spending a lot of time on the internet like
00:36:18
learning these things. Right. Crazy. And um I and I I know I sound like a broken record. I know I say this once a week
00:36:25
and I'm sorry for everyone that's tired of hearing me saying it, but it I just cannot overstate how much Google ruined
00:36:34
their own product with AI overview because I'm googling things so much to like learn these things. 100% of the
00:36:41
time the AI overview is wrong at this point. Like I never ever get anything useful and lately it's been so far away
00:36:49
from being right. Like I don't know if mine is just poisoned by my search history or something, but like like it's
00:36:55
getting to the point where like if I need to Google like as like a practice thing I've been building this like weather app that pulls weather data from
00:37:02
an API talking my language. It's like constantly getting Fahrenheit and Celsius mixed up. Like I'll be like
00:37:08
what's wrong with this code? And it'll be like huh? It'll be like well clearly it's 100 it's 100° Celsius today. And
00:37:14
it's just like what are you what are you talking about? Like anyway, this is all to say I, someone who doesn't normally
00:37:21
reach for AI tools, have literally just stopped googling stuff like and just go straight to Claude because I just it's
00:37:28
so I waste so much time forgetting that the first thing I see is the AI overview. And I think we need to give
00:37:34
Google credit for creating the need for AI browsers by literally ruining their
00:37:40
own product so hard. And again, I know I say this every week, but I just think
00:37:46
I've never seen a company release something so bad in my entire life.
00:37:52
Yeah. As AI overview, have you heard of Humane? This is so much worse than the Humane
00:37:57
P. So much worse. HP humane pin. Um, yeah. You know what's funny about
00:38:04
that is that Google used to be good, right? Yeah. Back in the day. Okay. It was good like last year.
00:38:11
Yeah. It was better. Yes, it was better over time as they realized that they
00:38:17
needed to make more and more ad dollars because of initification. Um, it just got more and more and more
00:38:23
bloated with like worse results, sponsored posts, all these ads, all this stuff. Right now, uh, in the, you know,
00:38:31
LLM era, we are in this nice little perfect little box where you can talk to it and
00:38:37
there's no ads and it just gives you the clean information. It's probably wrong, but it gives you the clean information.
00:38:42
We will get to the point where it is just Google but in natural language. But it will it would also be just as bad
00:38:49
because it's going to have sponsored results. It's going to have ads everywhere. It's going to get worse.
00:38:55
Just remember that when you go into sleep. I would even I would even take ads if it meant that it was right 10%
00:39:02
more time of the time, you know, like like 100% of the time I
00:39:07
take like a a coding answer from AI overview, it's wrong. 100% of the time it has anything to do with actual
00:39:13
information. Yeah, it is wrong. It can you not turn that off? Wait, no, you can't turn off AI overview.
00:39:18
Press a button every single time you go to Google and use the web or you can download a Chrome extension
00:39:24
that like blocks it from showing up. Like there's a bunch of ways. I don't use Chrome, so maybe that's why. Maybe if I used Chrome and I
00:39:29
used Chromium, I use Safari. Oh, WebKit. The best browser.
00:39:34
Um, speaking really quickly, this is slightly off topic. I just wanted to say really quickly, I was on Amazon
00:39:39
yesterday, bought a product. It said people also bought and it listed three products. Two of the three products it
00:39:47
said sponsored. So, I was like, so people didn't bought. Yeah, they bought they they
00:39:54
bought that spot to put their product in. I was like, you can't say people also
00:39:59
bought and then say Amazon can do shoving these. I was like, what? Yes, there are no rules on Amazon.
00:40:05
Yeah, that's fair. Shovelware. All right. Well, let's do one more. Yeah, cuz we can go 5, three, two.
00:40:11
I've also never said thank you to Sam Alman before. I never will. Because I don't normally have a reason
00:40:16
to, but thank you for dropping that on a Tuesday. Oh, so that we could actually talk about it.
00:40:21
True. Okay. Liquid ass tint iOS 26.
00:40:28
Um, this is this is a beta feature. Yes. So, this is very funny. Uh, and I
00:40:33
destroyed my phone for this, so you guys better be grateful. But in iOS beta
00:40:39
26.1, uh, developer beta 4, they have added an
00:40:44
option to tint the liquid glass. And it's not even buried in accessibility settings. This is a
00:40:50
mainline setting. Mainline display setting. Liquid glass tint. Liquid glass tint. So there's clear,
00:40:57
which is what we've always had the Well, it's not what we always had cuz what we had before was even more clear. This is slightly more opaque. Now we
00:41:04
have a tinted mode, which is almost completely back to iOS.
00:41:09
It's just flat frosted 18 or whatever. Yeah, it's it's there is a there's like a 5% opacity
00:41:16
white at 90% opacity. like 90% total opacity. Yeah, you can barely see a little from behind.
00:41:22
A little bit. So, I'm sticking with clear for now because I sort of like the effects. Um, my question is, is this for
00:41:30
accessibility and the people who are complaining about not being able to read or is it for the battery life because I
00:41:36
know that they were having trouble with like the occlusion and the um the rendering? It's a good question actually. But I and
00:41:42
I'm also wondering when you set up a new iPhone once they actually ship this, will it ask you if you want clear
00:41:48
attentioned when you set up the phone? That I think that's really interesting. That should be that should be a question
00:41:55
you get asked in the setup process. I agree, but I don't think they will do
00:42:01
that. I also agree with that. It's just funny because if if they're giving you the option to use tinted, I
00:42:06
mean, I'm glad to have more options, don't get me wrong. Right. Yeah. But they're just basic their whole
00:42:12
Shazam at that show was like, "Wow, this is our new thing, you know, and now
00:42:17
they're just like I kind of wonder if that's a better thing." I I would I hadn't considered that until you said that, but you know,
00:42:22
the the glass and all the rendering, all the effects and everything having a pretty serious effect on battery life,
00:42:27
maybe on especially older phones with smaller batteries, if this is going to Someone should do the the test. I think it was pretty much
00:42:34
confirmed that that was like really causing the Well, no, not changing this, but previously in the first liquid glass
00:42:40
beta, you guys were getting batteries tanked, which I believe, but it was just harder to attribute it to specifically just
00:42:46
this effect cuz the beta had so many new things. Now it's just one. Now that it's one toggle and I can go full-on liquid
00:42:53
glass everywhere or I'm trying to say sorry, now that it's just one toggle, someone
00:42:59
should have two phones. One has a toggle clear, one has a toggle tinted, and see what sort of a difference. That's a free
00:43:05
short idea for someone to make. How much of a difference does this make to battery? My conspiracy theory.
00:43:10
No, here's why I don't do that. I'll actually tell you why I do. I don't do most uh benchmark
00:43:16
battery tests because I don't believe that. I mean, they're decently useful, but I don't believe any of them will
00:43:22
inherently be able to tell me what my battery experience will be like. Yeah, I can look at like obviously I have a
00:43:28
pretty good sense now from using phones for a long time for a couple of days like this is going really well, this is going really poorly, how good is the
00:43:35
battery, but certain chips and certain softwares and certain OS's they all handle things so differently. If you
00:43:41
just do video playback, your winner will be the one that optimized the best for video playback. If you just do
00:43:48
benchmarking until the phone dies, yours will be the one that draws the least power at max load. If you just do like
00:43:54
using a phone like regularly, I've noticed a lot of OnePlus phones that even though they don't have the best battery, they're very aggressive with
00:44:00
killing background tasks. So, they don't have the biggest batteries, but they last forever cuz they're constantly killing background tasks. I don't see
00:44:07
any single battery benchmark that can account for all of my usage of a phone. So, I don't do battery benchmarks. Yeah.
00:44:13
But someone should do this one for this one feature. It's not going to be me.
00:44:18
Yeah, you can do that now if you want. That was sort of a big deal. liquid glass. You could also do it on Mac,
00:44:24
which is interesting. That's what I'm excited for. Oh, is that also beta? Yeah. I kind of like the clearness on the Mac,
00:44:29
though. Yeah, me too. Although, I don't like the top bar being clear now.
00:44:35
I love it. You don't like that? Not as much. Change your wallpaper, change your life. Well, I do, but look at the look at this
00:44:41
top bit of my wallpaper. How it like cuts through the text. Before it was obscured. Anyway, I'm realizing I need to upgrade my
00:44:47
operating system. Looking at both of you guys. Get on top. Oh, no, you don't need to get on Tahoe. It's not actually that
00:44:53
different, but okay. Anyway, we should take a quick break. We got a bunch more headlines in this hat that we should get to. But before we get
00:44:59
to that, trivia time. Trivia. Trivia.
00:45:05
Guys, coming up, we have a story about this week's last week's this week's I don't remember when it was the AWS
00:45:12
outage. Oh, yeah. That was last week. So, week this week. Oh, Sunday night. So, was this week?
00:45:18
That was this week. Yeah, this week. Go Fun fact, sometimes when I am walking through lower
00:45:23
Manhattan and I walk by a pickle pickle ball court that has people between the ages of 28 and 38 playing pickle ball on
00:45:29
it, that exists, I will look at my 28. No, no, no. Uh, and they look techy. I
00:45:35
will look at my phone and just say really loudly, "Oh my god, AWS is down." And they will always stop playing pickle
00:45:42
ball and freak out. Um, works every time. So funny. So good. Um, but guys, in related uh
00:45:49
today's question, I lied. It's actually not about AWS, my story. It is about
00:45:55
Spider-Man. What is the name of the alien species referenced by Andrew when he compared
00:46:02
Marquez's debranded patina to Venom from Spider-Man 3? Oh, there's an actual name.
00:46:09
What is the name of the alien species that Venom is a part of? And I will
00:46:14
accept the common name or the deep nerd name. And if you can get both, I guess that's
00:46:20
two points. Do you even know what it is? I don't watch kids movies. He said it. Not me.
00:46:28
Quality rage bait. We're going to get plenty of comments. Well played. Well, I definitely don't know the answer, but
00:46:34
we'll we'll see if maybe David knows it at the uh at the end. Well, I guess you didn't see the wild robot then.
00:46:41
David, no. We'll be right back.
00:46:54
All right, welcome back. We have more headlines and we still have the hat. So, Andrew,
00:46:59
not bad. I expected disaster. All right, what do we got? Listeners, Marquez was wearing the hat
00:47:05
and took it off without dropping any input papers. I was very impressed by it. What I wasn't impressed by was the
00:47:11
AWS outage that took out much of the internet this week. We called it. Let's go. That was fun. How long did that last? It
00:47:17
was like almost a full day. Wow. It was the evening of Sunday into like Monday afternoon.
00:47:23
I remember the next morning listening to like the NPR morning news or whatever where they just kind of talk about the biggest stories and they were like, "A
00:47:29
whole bunch of sites were down yesterday with AWS and it made us really think about how many sites depend on AWS." I
00:47:36
was like, "Don't we have this conversation every 6 months when AWS goes down for 3 hours? We all go, wow."
00:47:42
Well, the irony was that YouTube had gone down like two days ago. That's what I was remembering. I was trying I was like, "I don't remember a
00:47:48
Here's the funny thing. I noticed the YouTube outage way more than AWS outage because I was trying to watch I was
00:47:54
actively about to watch YouTube stuff and it didn't work. The AWS stuff took down.
00:47:59
Here's what I did notice. When I woke up, my eight sleep showed that I had slept for three hours. And I was like,
00:48:06
that's kind of weird. It's missing the first half of my sleep. And then I log on and it says AWS outage has kept
00:48:13
people's smart beds from being able to recline or the best part about it.
00:48:18
There is a version of this bed that has like a like a motor thing that like inclines and declines. And obviously it
00:48:24
can heat or cool. And if it's not working, if AWS is out, the app doesn't
00:48:30
work. And so people had they're stuck in whatever temperature or incline setting that they had last had it on. And I'm
00:48:36
glad that didn't happen. So I have I have a funny story related to that. So you guys were all talking in Slack about how your eight sleeps like didn't track
00:48:43
that night. And I was like, "Huh, I wonder if my eight sleep's still gone." So if you hit the side if you like slap
00:48:48
the side of the bed four times, um, someone appears in the mirror. Just kidding. Well, AWS was down so he
00:48:55
couldn't Jeff appears in the mirror. Homer lucky. Uh, your bed inclines or reclines into
00:49:02
like into like bed into reading mode cuz I use the reading mode fairly frequently. Got to read.
00:49:08
Yeah. Which is crazy. Um, so I slapped it, you know, and then nothing happened.
00:49:13
I was like, "Oh, it must be down." So I I like went online and it was like everyone's like, "Oh, it's back up." And
00:49:18
I was like, "What's wrong?" And then I realized it was unplugged. So, you guys had server outages. I just
00:49:25
didn't plug my local outage. Skill issue. Skill issue. Um, yeah. So, I wanted to use this uh outage as a
00:49:33
little game to talk about how how did you guys first notice that the internet
00:49:38
was down? Was it Slack? Uh, I think someone mentioned on Slack and
00:49:43
then I have a Discord server with a bunch of my friends and they're all software engineers and that chat just popped off because none of them had
00:49:50
anything to do. So, and I was like, "All right, you guys are not on AWS." There was a funny thing where it said that people that were in Slack huddles
00:49:57
could not leave the huddle. That's That's my worst nightmare. And that's just like
00:50:02
Andrew, your mic's on. Uh, Andrew, your mic's uh Andrew, you're you're That's it for me. Okay. See you guys
00:50:08
next week. Wait, wait. You guys can just watch me work for the rest of the day. Apparently, a bunch of what was it? AI
00:50:15
stuff was on or no, I was I don't know. I just kind of listened to the the NPR story and I was like, "Wow, that is a
00:50:21
lot of new stuff that is all on AWS." Yeah, AWS is like the backbone of a lot of these. We lost Frame.
00:50:27
Oh, right. Aria was trying to put something on Frame and Frame.io is just just just crapping out having it's
00:50:33
clutching its pearls. I have no idea what to do. I remember I woke up at 4 in the morning cuz I've been having insomnia and um
00:50:40
just so you know a little bit about my backstory. Comment what David should do to help him sleep. Plug in eight sleep. Have you
00:50:46
started reading? plug in. They hate sleeping. Uh, yeah. So, I tried to go on
00:50:51
Reddit cuz that's what I do and I can't sleep. Um, yeah, it's worse for me. It's not I'm just going to let that one go.
00:50:57
I know. Anyway, it said it kept saying um uh Oh, no, no, no. That's on the app.
00:51:03
Sorry, I'll let you go. So, I don't even have the app. Okay. And I was on the on the browser and it kept saying uh rate limit reached.
00:51:10
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to respond to things and it was like Yeah. saying something. rate limit reached. And I was
00:51:15
like, I thought that this was only a thing that happened if you had a third party Reddit app, but I'm using the
00:51:20
browser, so what's going on? And then I found out, oh, like Reddit's like down. I found out because in the app, the way
00:51:26
their refresh loading symbol is, it's a it's an orange circle with the uh Reddit
00:51:32
like running and his feet are going really fast. Except since it wouldn't load, it just went down. It was just like
00:51:38
and would just do it for like a minute straight of just like running and running and running. I'm like, "Wow, what the hell?" But I just assumed it's
00:51:44
because Reddit sucks. Yeah. Other things that went down are the McDonald's app, Fortnite, Canva, Snapchat
00:51:52
that killed Ellis's whole weekend. McDonald's and Fortnite. Eat fish fillets and do Canva. I don't
00:51:58
know. Like, did you see the funniest one that went down? What? That I really hope I have the backend
00:52:03
details of this right. I was like trying to research it and there wasn't a lot of great reporting, but I'm pretty sure the
00:52:08
board 8 yacht club images are hosted on AWS. So, everyone who owned those NFTTS
00:52:15
could not view their little monkeys. That was sad. Wow. Anyway, yeah, Amazon
00:52:20
said that the issue was related to the domain name system. They did not specify how or why, but if you want to learn
00:52:27
more about the domain name system. We have a full two-part miniseries called I canon, the seven keys in the
00:52:33
internet and the secret history of the internet. We drove for seven hours to make that and all slept in one hotel room.
00:52:39
That's true. I just want to say I feel like when when when obviously when AWS goes down like a whole section of the
00:52:46
internet like all these people can all gather together and be like wow look at how frustrating this is when YouTube
00:52:52
goes down. I feel like it happens once every two or 3 years and they used to have actually when it like really went
00:52:59
down it would just be like the monkeys are trying to fix things page or whatever and that would go viral. But
00:53:04
when YouTube goes down I feel like all of society collectively goes Huh? What
00:53:10
do I What do I do now? Like, at least for me, I don't I don't use Netflix. I use a
00:53:16
whole bunch of other stuff. So, what I'm trying to watch a YouTube video and the specific way that it went down
00:53:21
was the homepage would load. Thumbnails would load. I would click the video, the page, the
00:53:26
player, and all the related thumbnails would load, but the browser, the video would just never load. Yeah. And so I was like I was in the
00:53:34
zone of I want to watch this video when I couldn't watch this video Wi-Fi.
00:53:41
Terrible Wi-Fi. It was like being on a United flight. Anyway, it was very it's very funny because uh like a week and a
00:53:47
half ago, so my friend Mark was going to go on that Subway takes thing. Um so I said, "What's your take?" And he said,
00:53:53
"I don't know if I could say this, but we have to take out the data centers to just restart society." And I was like, "Yeah, that's a that's a good one." And
00:53:59
then the next week everything I was like,
00:54:04
did he set this up? Now that the internet's back up because you're watching this, I guess we have other things to worry about.
00:54:11
Hopefully that's two days from now. Was it me? I thought it was cuz I went last. You just pulled AWS, right?
00:54:17
Yeah, but we we're not going We're going in a Marquez David Andrew order. We're clockwise. Clockwise. Gotcha. Not snaking. Got it.
00:54:24
It was more of just me offering it to both of you before me and then now that's uh I don't know anything about this. Yes. This might I think this is the
00:54:31
coolest thing we're going to talk about today. Oh, I love this. I got a story about this. Do you want to take it or you'll have to explain Let me just Let me just read
00:54:37
what it says. Okay. Color. Yes. E in. Yes. Flames.
00:54:43
Flame. Flames. Flames. You wrote flames. I did not. That's an R. That's an R. You sure about that?
00:54:49
Vaguely. What do you think that is? Color E in flame. It would be pretty cool. That' be pretty
00:54:54
e in frames. Can someone explain this to me? Yes. I I'll go I'll go and you join in. Yeah.
00:55:01
Button. Okay. So, Aura, which disclaimer has sponsored the podcast before, so take everything we say with a grain
00:55:07
grain of salt. But chill. They just released their new color e in
00:55:12
wireless photo frame. Previously, they've done the photo frames where you get an app, it plugs in, and it can
00:55:18
rotate images. Color e ink wireless photo frame. Photo frame. So, it has a built-in battery. Yes.
00:55:25
No, but it's Yes. Hold on. So, it is color. It's color. So,
00:55:30
the colors, dude. The colors. It's all static state. Okay. I'll do the specs first. 13.3 in panel.
00:55:36
It is 11.5 by 14. So, this is like a pretty good size frame. Pretty big. Yeah. The battery life should be
00:55:42
approximately 3 months on a full charge. Also, the charging port is on the outside of the frame with a 10-ft cable,
00:55:48
so you can charge it while without even taking it off the wall. I think that's cool.
00:55:53
That's cool because um it is using the new Spectra 6 display technology um and uh because of
00:56:02
all of that, because of the less power draw, this is the first time they could go wireless because an LCD obviously
00:56:08
takes so much more power, they can't do it where now we're at e. It's taking way less to be able to show these photos. In
00:56:15
fact, it's so it's so dim they actually needed to add a little tiny front light inside
00:56:20
of the mat of the frame. Um, but Allison Johnson from The Verge did an article on this, which everyone should go read if
00:56:25
they're interested, but she said she like didn't even notice it at first. And also that light will turn off once
00:56:30
ambient light is off at night. Um, I just got signed out of my Google doc for some reason. Is AWS down?
00:56:38
Sorry. I have some questions about this. Do you have some thoughts?
00:56:43
Well, so I'm not I'll just preface this by saying I'm not a big uh photoframe person yet. Maybe I will
00:56:50
be soon. Right. But I'm pretty someone who doesn't use photo frames, is there any advantage to it not just
00:56:56
being plugged in all the time, like why would you ever unplug it? Because then you have a big wire. You have a wire if you want to hang it
00:57:02
on the wall or something. If you hang up a regular photo, you you don't have to plug it in. It's art. I guess I pictured a photo frame being on
00:57:08
a desk, but you're like hanging it on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, right now, my Aura frame, which I
00:57:14
love. I have one of them. I have bought them as gifts before. If you are somebody with children and want to give
00:57:20
a gift to the grandparents of those children, it is like the easiest gift in the world. Um, but like mine's on my
00:57:26
desk now because of the wire. The one I have like at home is on a table because of the wire. I can
00:57:32
hide the wire. You just don't want a wire hanging up your wall. Yeah. Okay. And cuz I've seen a bunch of smart like the Google Home can be a
00:57:38
photo frame in the same way. Like you set a Google Photos album to always be displayed on it and it's always next to the wall cuz it's plugged in. So that's
00:57:44
kind of how I picture photo frames. But okay, you can hang it. The other thing is how good does this look? How good does colored e- in look versus like a a
00:57:51
normal even an OLED maybe if it's like a super premium one. So that is that is the question. I have
00:57:57
been lusting over e- in picture frames for many many many years. Every year I
00:58:03
would go to CES and it would be like we put Alexa in your fridge and I'd be like no. And then I'd go over to the e- in
00:58:09
section I'd be like yeah. M and they used to show these prototypes of both things like this which they had they
00:58:15
actually had big prints like that. So the cool thing about this is because it's ink right it is actual ink so it
00:58:22
looks just like it's on actual paper and actual canvas. The big seller of the Samsung Frame TV
00:58:28
is that they have a special like matte layer on it. They have the borders around it. They have the light box, the
00:58:33
matte box. It makes it look fairly realistic. And the I think the Frame TV Pro has like a matte option that can
00:58:40
make it even more realistic looking. But if you want like real real looking art
00:58:45
that actually has depth and dimension and like texture, you got to use ink. Interesting.
00:58:50
Right. So I've been lusting after a big thing where I can just like rotate my my film work around forever. And so now
00:58:59
this coming out is great. But didn't Allison say that the resolution didn't look amazing,
00:59:04
Alison. So, she said there's a couple different things. You know, some colors might look a little off. She said like
00:59:10
blues looked really nice and and pictures with good contrast looked better on it. And I think she said like
00:59:16
some paler faces might have like a little bit of a green tint to them. Um, but
00:59:22
she said resolution wise, if you are right up there pixel peeking, you can definitely see all the different um dots
00:59:28
that it is creating. But just like
00:59:34
totally fine. Aura frames like when you have it,
00:59:41
you're a lot of them are rotating every 5 or 10 minutes depending what you set on. What this does is it by default only
00:59:48
does one picture per day and actually changes the picture at night because of the way it needs to uh like
00:59:54
flash change all of the different specific dots modules. Yeah. Yeah. She said it takes about 30
01:00:00
seconds before it'll stop flickering a little bit because it's doing like the lowest power draw version of a switch.
01:00:07
So like it'll just do it every day. So then every day you wake up and you just have a new photo on
01:00:12
your wall which I think is awesome. Yeah, that's this is the BS Palma 2. Yeah,
01:00:17
book. When you turn it on Mhm. it does this flash thing and then you can like you know reset the screen. It
01:00:24
has to flash in and out. Mhm. So when these are setting it, it does the same thing where it flashes and then
01:00:30
it slowly sort of like magnetically moves the modules like in front and in that area. I can see the color not being
01:00:36
amazing because they probably only have six colors cuz they use individual little like like
01:00:42
ink bead things. And uh yeah, if you only have six colors, obviously you're not going to be able to recreate like wreck 2020 or
01:00:49
something like that with billions of color options. Can't you recreate all the colors with three colors?
01:00:55
Well, that's or that's dependent on luminance. Um, I'm not talking about CMK, son.
01:01:03
Yeah, but you still need like different levels of like luminance and saturation and that kind of stuff where these are
01:01:09
just finite colors. They can't change they can't change luminance. They can't change saturation,
01:01:14
right? It's not like it's not like actual ink where you you can make more or less ink. It's either there's cyan
01:01:20
on, cyan off, magenta on, magenta. Exactly. And the different mixes when you're standing far enough away look like other vaguely like other colors
01:01:26
are, but you need different luminances and saturation values to actually do that.
01:01:32
Well, which is probably why people's skin tones have a little more green in them because we our skin tones actually do have green in them. You just we don't
01:01:38
really see that as much because there's other colors mixed in. Can I be the grumpy boomer here if you
01:01:44
want? Sure. when you don't want to get roasted by community. Why would I want this in my frame on the
01:01:50
wall? Like I get it. I get it in because it's something else that I have to charge. That's so annoying. Yeah, but okay.
01:01:56
Sorry. No, I was just going to say I have an ex I was going to say my doorbell I thought the doorbell was going to be so annoying. Why would you
01:02:03
ever want to charge it? It's so easy. I'm not saying it's hard. I'm just saying it's another thing that takes up
01:02:08
mental space that I have to think about. Like my Garmin watch lasts a month, but when I have to charge it, it's still like uh here.
01:02:14
If it sends me a notification that like frame is low, charge it in the next like 3 days, chances are, especially if you
01:02:20
don't even need to unplug it. If there's an outlet within 10 ft, just when you go to bed, plug the outlet in and toss it
01:02:26
in and then take it out in the morning. Can you not just like set one photo and if you don't rotate it every day, it has
01:02:31
unlimited battery life. It's not going to last forever. It'll eventually die. Probably not. It still has the light power to um
01:02:38
it has a light power draws and it's probably internet connected to just stay available. Like to me the draw of this thing is
01:02:44
something like the one that you have on your desk because that is perfect. You plug it in, you forget about it and you ignore it forever.
01:02:50
Even though it's every 3 months unless unless I wouldn't be surprised if mine went off
01:02:55
after the or didn't rotate. Sorry. Still needing to think about this is too annoying. That's my take. This is like
01:03:02
Yeah, I would just my blinds I have to charge like every 3 months. It's really not that bad. I would just leave it plugged in the
01:03:08
whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would never unplug it. Never unplug this. Now you just get the option to be if you're someone who's not a grumpy old
01:03:14
boomer like Adam, then you get to hang it on your wall without a wire. I would leave it plugged in forever and then when I have company over, I would
01:03:19
unplug it and it would That's fair. That's totally fair. And then as soon as they left, I'd plug it back in. I do think we unfortunately have to move
01:03:25
on from smart picture frames. I love this topic. I didn't realize how long we would talk about this. I love this topic, but we are more
01:03:30
boomer than probably our audience is. So, I love this is my favorite thing of the week. It's great. This is what tech is all about.
01:03:35
That's right. This is a gadget that I don't feel bad in buying. And can't wait till the next one has an LOL.
01:03:41
The Yeah, the next one is like new new Tik Tok integrated gunship.
01:03:48
That's 3000. I think it's the That is real. Okay.
01:03:54
Well, we'll do this one and then another ad break. Not too different from that. Vision Pro Strap Plus M5. Hey, okay. Okay, I can do
01:04:01
this one. Huge update this week in Apple land. You
01:04:07
can watch my Twitter video or the first 30 seconds of the video I made about this to understand where M5 dropped
01:04:13
because it didn't drop everywhere. You might expect everything with M4 got M5. No mm- only iPad Pro, which had M4 now
01:04:21
has M5 and M4 MacBook Pro has M5. And
01:04:27
Vision Pro, which had M2, is now M5. The other two devices kind of just got that
01:04:32
spec bump and that was it. The Vision Pro got a little bit more than just the new chip. It's been a little longer,
01:04:39
almost two years actually since the original Vision Pro. It had M2. And so what you get is the spec bump
01:04:46
which enables, you know, a slightly larger area of fiated rendering, 10% more rendered pixels, a slightly longer
01:04:52
battery life, 3 hours of video playback instead of two. Isn't it 2.5 instead of two? I think it's three instead of 2.5.
01:04:57
Oh, correct. It might be somewhere in there. It's not a dramatic difference. Uh, and I think things like ray tracing
01:05:04
and general fidelity being slightly higher. Great. M5 enables that. But the actually
01:05:11
more important thing was just the new strap, new $99 dualband strap, uh, which you can also buy for your
01:05:17
original Vision Pro. But it is, uh, counterweighted. It has tungsten weights in the back. And so you put it on and it
01:05:23
actually has a little bit more weight on the back of your head and on the top. So it takes the weight off of the bridge of your nose and it just holds it in a more
01:05:30
comfortable way. Significantly better. It's more comfortable than any of the other bands they've had and it's better looking than the other dual strap band they had. So that's the Vision Pro
01:05:37
update. That's kind of it. I mean, most of the updates with Vision Pro that are significant are the software. Vision OS
01:05:43
26 has like the new personas which are higher resolution and better looking and more realistic and all the pinnable
01:05:50
widgets all over the place and all the other stuff and Apple intelligence finally starting to show up with writing
01:05:55
tools. Yeah. Uh I think there's one if you were doing what Ellis is doing and using the Mac
01:06:00
mirroring, there's one new big ultra wide monitor. So there's like standard wide and ultra wide. The ultra wide
01:06:07
looks crazy. Why can't they just give us two? I don't know. I think that might be a
01:06:13
power limitation. I mean, it's still a lot of pixels. Yeah. But yeah, it's it looks really good. I was a little
01:06:19
Yeah, honestly, that's probably the exact thing. Just cut it in half. Yeah. the fact that they did not drop M5. I don't even, you know, I'm I get
01:06:26
that why they didn't drop M5 Pro and M5 Max yet, but a friend of mine hit me up
01:06:31
just he just got a new job and he was like, "Oh, my job is giving me a quota to buy a new laptop. What
01:06:37
should I get?" I was thinking of getting an M5, but I kind of wanted a MacBook
01:06:43
Air. And I was like, "Yeah, why didn't they put this in the MacBook Air?" Yeah, there's still a bunch of places that have M4 like MacBook Air, Mac Mini, and
01:06:50
iMac that and iPad Air that have base chips that they didn't do M5 in
01:06:55
yet. Yet, they presumably will. I just don't know why they were unable to do
01:07:01
the whole refresh across the board. And not only was it only the base MacBook Pro, but it was the only 14-in.
01:07:08
Well, cuz the 14-in is the only one that you could get the base chip in. The 16 in only ship with Pro or Max
01:07:14
chips. Okay. Okay, so if you want a base chip MacBook Pro, you have to get a 14-in and now you can get an M5 instead of M4.
01:07:20
It's just weird that they didn't put it in the Airless planning like a big hardware update for the Air, which I doubt they're doing cuz they just did
01:07:26
that. Hard to say. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. There's there's a world where like people were not yet going to buy an iMac
01:07:33
because they were waiting for the M5 iMac and now the M5 chip is out and there's still no M5 iMac. Now what do
01:07:38
you just get the M4 now? And are we still on like M2 Ultra for the ultra chip? Oh, the ultra chips. M3 Ultra is the
01:07:44
biggest one and that's in the Mac Studio. My Mac Pro is on M2 Ultra. Yeah. So, now that we have M5 out, I'm like,
01:07:51
"All right." Yeah. Uh, I did want to note everyone was memeing the fact that this is
01:07:56
heavier online because of the counterweights. Um, yeah. I'm just
01:08:02
trying to find the exact extra weight, but it's like 150 g more, which is it seems like a lot, and it is
01:08:08
a lot, but the fact that it is in the back headband on the new strap actually makes it better weighted on your face,
01:08:15
and it when you're wearing it for longer, it doesn't put nearly as much pressure on the bridge of your nose. So, yes, I agree. It is very funny that it
01:08:23
was way too heavy and now it's even heavier, but in a good way. Yeah. So, just to clear that up for
01:08:29
people. So, you know how earlier in this episode you were saying like I don't know if Samsung really wants to commit
01:08:35
that much of a team to like fighting the Vision Pro because it seems like they've realized it's not doing that well.
01:08:41
Yeah, that's how I feel about this Vision Pro. Like we had so many thoughts and initial
01:08:47
impressions when the Vision Pro came out as a new form factor. It was all this interesting stuff and this crazy
01:08:53
expensive bleeding edge device. And so the second generation theoretically should tell us the most about what they
01:08:58
learned, the direction they're going, and like what this thing is really about to become. Yeah. And we get this refresh and your eyes
01:09:06
were getting hot in the first one. Still gets hot. All the vents are in the same places. The chip still gets hot. It still has the R1. Still has the M chip.
01:09:13
It's still heavy. They didn't shave a single gram of aluminum out of there. It still has the glass. It still has the
01:09:18
same eyesight on the front. They didn't make any like directional change with
01:09:23
Vision Pro. They just showed up and went, "Okay, the strap's done. Anything else we want to do with the Vision Pro
01:09:29
itself?" Nah, new chip. Toss that in there. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Should render a few more pixels, ship it. Like, I didn't see
01:09:36
any commitment to a direction, if that makes sense. So, I got the same feeling that Apple was like, "Oh, this isn't
01:09:42
really doing anything." And plus all those articles we've seen about, you know, maybe them doing a vision air
01:09:47
and then realizing that's not the direction they want to go either and shifting to glasses. Yeah, I totally believe that. I have no way to prove
01:09:53
that, but I've seen the reporting and it just feels like this Vision Pro is like the last update we'll see for a while
01:09:58
from this. Part of it to me feels like they just needed to make more M5 chips to get the per unit cost down.
01:10:04
Toss it in the Mac Mini or the MacBook Air, the most popular laptop. Yeah, I I don't know. It's strange. It
01:10:10
is very strange. The video's out if you want to watch it. It is uh it is a whole bunch of my musings about smartwatch, smart
01:10:16
displays, smart headset, smart, smart face, smart face computers,
01:10:23
glasses. Sick glass. Let's let's etc. Um speaking of trivia,
01:10:30
we were you guys know that uh there's a Star Trek villain named M5.
01:10:36
Really? Yeah. And it's a computer. Oh, pretty good episode. Season 2, episode
01:10:42
24. Nice. Should watch it of uh Next Generation. I had to Google the episode. I did not
01:10:47
know the episode all Star Trek is one of the few shows I have watched. Shut up. How much of it? Which one? Which one?
01:10:53
Next Generation. What do you mean you don't know? Well, I didn't watch it in any order. I just like sat down.
01:10:58
There's like 10 different Star Trek shows. Oh, there's like whatever was actually playing reruns on
01:11:04
TV a decade ago. That's what I've watched. Probably Next Generation. Marquez is only watch. Was the guy bald or did he have hair?
01:11:10
There was a spock in there. So it sounds like you watched the original track. That's Star Wars classic.
01:11:15
That's my Digimon. That's Bulbasaur. After the break, we will be talking
01:11:21
about space, specifically Starling. Frontier, the final frontier. Specifically,
01:11:26
Starlink. So here's the question. In which layer of the atmosphere do Starlink satellites satellite?
01:11:32
I know this. I have a guess. I will accept two answers. Oh, the actual layer and the general
01:11:42
phrase, the upper X. Not that I have I I only know so many layer names.
01:11:47
The fifth floor. So, I have to go with one of the ones that I remember. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, we will think about
01:11:53
that. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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01:12:40
Do you remember who Zer was? I think David went last with Vision Pro, right? Uh I went last with Vision Pro.
01:12:47
Okay. Yes. So then So you go. Yeah. Take the second to last headline.
01:12:52
What happened this week? Oh, this is this is a very long thing. So, I wrote 15 Pixel super fans get to
01:12:58
beta test new phones. Oh, yeah. 15% of my diet. 15% of my beta fans get to test Pixel
01:13:04
ones. Yeah. Do you know about this? I do not. I saw this headline. All right. So, Google is letting 15
01:13:10
Pixel super fans beta test new Pixel devices while still in development. Uh,
01:13:16
at first this was a rumor that popped up, but then there was confirmation that it was actually happening. So
01:13:22
effectively what this is is that a bunch of people got to apply if you were a
01:13:27
super fan, which is basically Google's way of saying you're loyal. You will not
01:13:33
stray from your loyalty. You're 100% loyal to Apple. Kiss the ring. Kiss the ring. Um yeah, if you're in
01:13:40
their super fans program, you could apply to be one of these people that get to test phones. But you also have to apply to that
01:13:47
program. Yeah, which I tried to do when this article came out. And one of the check boxes is, "Are you a member of the press, aka
01:13:54
blogs or podcasts?" And I was like, "Damn it." Got me. Oh, they don't let you do that if you're
01:13:59
part of the press. I mean, I don't know if that's a pro or a con, but the fact that I need to say that I'm a part of
01:14:04
That's definitely one of those Google Docs where as soon as you check that box, they just go, "All right, never mind." Yeah. Basically, you could apply for
01:14:11
this and then if you were selected, you would have to sign an NDA not to talk about the device. You have to agree to
01:14:17
put the phones in these protective cases to hide their designs. And submissions are going to be based on
01:14:24
depth of knowledge and passion for Google devices and software. Okay.
01:14:29
Can I ask something? Yeah. What is the point of this? Wait, I can I counter it?
01:14:35
Loyalty. I see the point of it. What's the point? Assuming the NDA is you also can't really talk about it
01:14:41
afterwards, then this is just making sure it is people who really do like pixels and probably go through the
01:14:47
settings getting to test software and potentially find bugs before it comes out. They're not reporting on it. So, we
01:14:53
don't have to worry about they're not allowed to talk about it. We don't have to worry about biasness in a report from
01:14:58
them. But they just kind of outsourcing their QA testing.
01:15:03
The point is they're getting 15 is not enough. I would say free 15 enthusiasts to help bug test
01:15:11
essentially. I mean, how many times do things come out where like this thing works perfectly and then we peel the
01:15:16
screen protector off the first fold and it's like maybe if you threw that to one normal person, not like they would have
01:15:22
seen that cuz I I guess I hear that uh there's an NDA and they can't talk about it. So, I'm like okay, this isn't press and then
01:15:29
what was the other thing? They have to be in a protective case that includes the design. So, they can't
01:15:35
promote it. And even if they did, they're already a Pixel super fans, so they're going to anyway. So that wouldn't have been unique. And also, is
01:15:41
the Pixel super fan really going to critique anything? So really, it's just bug testing. That's the the question, I guess.
01:15:48
Yeah. Are you going to be like, "This is perfect. I don't want to say anything bad." Or because you're in a private thing, you're probably going to want to
01:15:54
be productive. You you're going to want to prove that you were worth being part of this thing. I'm assuming if you applied to be a
01:16:01
super fan, you probably will go pretty deep into it. So yeah, this is like intern labor. Yeah.
01:16:07
Yeah. Uh it will be funny when one of these leaks. Oh yeah, 100%.
01:16:14
Um I know that you know pixels never don't be silly. It's only 15 people so the chances are
01:16:21
lower. But I am also basically guaranteeing that one of these people will really want the 15 minutes of fame.
01:16:29
I want to know if they can talk about after the levels of probably can because then they
01:16:34
would be able to say I got to have a say in the design and the development pixel
01:16:40
being a super fan. Yeah. But then can you not apply next time because now you're part of the press.
01:16:45
Uh yeah, you're an influencer. Checkmate super fan. Checkmate super fans. And I agree with you. I think this is
01:16:51
good. I think it's I mean on one hand I understand Google wants to know what their core audience
01:16:57
likes and doesn't like about the software about the hardware. So you make sense. They already did
01:17:03
that. Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like they would probably use this as an opportunity to test completely
01:17:09
different devices, not just software. Yeah. Well, they said So, it's going to
01:17:15
be the new phones, the new hardware. Yeah, but I mean like different crazy different designs and see like which one
01:17:22
speaks to the core Pixel user more. Like this one with the square camera bump or this one sticking with the visor or what
01:17:27
if we put the camera over here, you know, like Yeah. But if they have to use it in a protective disguising case, they can't
01:17:33
really evaluate that. Well, at least when they're out in public, then you just take it off. Interesting. Yeah. Google's design chief, Ivy Ross,
01:17:39
uh, had said that the company is looking to mix up the design of the Pixel every 2 to 3 years. So, considering the Pixel
01:17:45
9 and Pixel 10 are the same phone. We will probably be seeing something
01:17:50
relatively new next year, possibly, maybe as soon as one of these comes out. Do you guys as soon as it leaks?
01:17:56
It's going to leak. I think this is really good. Do you guys know the the the the computer guy joke?
01:18:02
A QA engineer walks into a bar? Oh, yeah. Have you heard this? Like I didn't tell me this one.
01:18:07
Yeah. Uh computer science engineer, computer guy walks into a bar and orders a beer, and
01:18:14
then they order six beers, and then they order negative one beers, and then they order 10 million beers, and then they
01:18:20
order null beers, and then a normal person walks into a bar and asks where the bathroom is, and the bar explodes.
01:18:26
Yeah. And that's exactly why I think it's good that they're giving it to random people who are just super fans.
01:18:32
Yeah, fair enough. I didn't get that joke at all. It's because you can you can test all the different things of something, but
01:18:38
you can never predict what random thing an actual user is going to do that will just break
01:18:44
your product. Like ordering null beers is fine. Well, that's I think 15 is like I think I was kind of bummed that didn't
01:18:51
get a a huge Maybe the audience is laughing. I think I might have heard it before, but that is very You thought it was funny type. Haha. In
01:18:57
the comments. Yeah. Yeah. With a time stamp. Elsa joke really got me.
01:19:03
Email podcast.com. CC Adam. Okay.
01:19:08
All right. Well, we got one more headline. Uns was it? You just went.
01:19:13
Oh, wait. No, it's my turn. Cuz it was it was Vision. You got Vision Pro, then you went. So, now it's my turn. All
01:19:19
right. Take your headline. Oh. Oh, I got one. What's my fortune say? Really long. It's a big one.
01:19:26
It says that SpaceX launched 10,000 Starlink satellite. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to
01:19:34
take a moment of reflection. So, you just said the headline. They have launched a 10,000 Starlink into
01:19:42
a certain part of the atmosphere. Stop looking it up. No, I wrote it into the script.
01:19:49
Oh, I deleted it now. No, so only Node about it. Can I command? I may have seen it.
01:19:54
Um, anyway, I have backup trivia questions if we need. Okay. Of all of those 10,000, uh, only about
01:20:01
8,68 are operational, according to Jonathan McDow, who was the guy that we
01:20:06
interviewed for our new space race episode. Goats. Plug number two of this podcast.
01:20:11
What happened to the other 1300 of them? Uh, I think that they stopped working and burned up. They only they fall out of the
01:20:17
atmosphere after 5 years. They burn down. They only have a 5year lifpan. They've launched 10,000, but only 8,600
01:20:25
are still in orbit. I believe currently two fall out of the sky every day, and by the time they
01:20:31
reach their 12,000, we'll be losing in between five and seven per day.
01:20:38
As a fun little statistic, if you guys remember when we did that new space race episode 4 years ago, there were a total
01:20:43
of 12,20 satellites that had ever been launched into space. only 7,550 were
01:20:50
still in space and only 4,600 were still functioning. And now uh there are 8,600
01:20:56
operational just Starlinks. Just Starlinks. Yeah, just And this is why we talked about Kesler
01:21:02
syndrome, which is which is what one of the ends of the world where not the end of the world, but it's where
01:21:08
basically things in orbit are falling at 17,000 mph. When they hit each other,
01:21:14
they explode. Then you've got shrapnel falling at 17,000 mph. And so when shrapnel that you can't track very well
01:21:20
hits other things, it also explodes. Cuz everything going at 17,000 mph just explodes.
01:21:26
So I don't think that's true, but okay. I don't know, man. When it hits other stuff, when it hits stuff qualifier,
01:21:33
I mean, I explode going 17,000 mph. So I've been flying a lot of United
01:21:41
flights over the past couple years. You're talking about the Starling and not one of them has had Starlink.
01:21:46
Dude, I know. I saw I saw someone post that they were getting like a g like a gigabit down on a United flight and I
01:21:51
was like I've not seen any of them that have actually deployed. I've only seen it on Twitter. It's like Elon and United's Twitter like sharing
01:21:59
speed tests and like look at these live streams from United website and I'm like oh wow seems like we should get it any
01:22:05
second now. I've so many times none of them have had it but hopefully soon. If flights get gigabit, you're
01:22:12
just gonna need to like upload a video last minute and just book a flight. Book a flight. Just go hop on. We've got a really big to upload.
01:22:19
Time to book a flight. The title writes itself. Anyway, I'm I'm hoping that happens
01:22:24
soon, but yeah, Starlink, there's a lot I'm hoping lots of things don't fly at 17,000 mph and explode in space.
01:22:31
I don't know enough about like when they fall out of the sky, they surely burn up before hitting
01:22:36
Oh, yeah. the ground obviously, but maybe they hit they hit other satellites on the way. I don't know.
01:22:43
Low Earth orbit and then there's geostationary orbit. So they're like different. So when they fall out of the sky, they
01:22:48
are no longer in geostationary orbit. They're in low Earth orbit. The Starlinks are all in low Earth orbit.
01:22:53
So when they fall out of the sky, Yeah. they burn up before hitting the ground.
01:22:58
They're supposed to. Yes. And they're supposed to not hit other Starlinks that are also in low Earth orbit. Yeah. I mean, 3D space
01:23:07
is big. It's pretty big. So the odds of actually hitting one, it's pretty low. That's what syndrome
01:23:12
is. It's the chain reaction of the one hitting another which hits another which hits another. Yeah. This is one of the movies I watched. Gra interest.
01:23:18
Gravity. Gravity. Yep. Yes. Yeah. That movie was just like Uncut Gems. I
01:23:23
was so anxious the whole time. Yeah, there there's another thing that's going on with these Starly re-entries, which
01:23:29
is that the like aluminum as it it reenters the atmosphere and burns up gets incinerated and turns into aluminum
01:23:35
oxide, which is really really bad for the ozone layer. It is. Yeah, I guess I don't. There's so
01:23:40
many different scales of polluters that I'm like all the cars that will be driven today versus the two satellites
01:23:46
that fall out of the air. What? It's your fault for not throwing that Coca-Cola can in the recycling. Yeah, that's also a factor. But I guess
01:23:54
yeah that uh okay but scale that scale that up to all these companies launching their own satellites and then having this like
01:24:02
ungoverned space race. I feel like that was the whole point of when we first brought it up it's not just this one certain thing is doing it.
01:24:08
It's just that like there's no law where Yeah. Where does it stop? Where do we make a regulation on it and when every
01:24:14
trillion dollar company or multi-billion dollar company could just launch stuff? Amazon's doing it with its queer or
01:24:19
however you kiper. I was more worried about the starry
01:24:24
night, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Getting ruined. Yeah, that's also a problem. Yeah. By Van Go.
01:24:32
You throw stole it, right? They stole it from the Lou. No, they didn't. It's not in the L. It's in the
01:24:37
It's in the MoMA. That was a bad joke. Seen it many times. All right. Trivia. They stole my dignity from the Lou in
01:24:43
seven minutes. It was there. All they needed was a ladder truck. Steal your dignity. That's all you need.
01:24:50
Let's do trivia. Let's do trivia. Thank you. Seven minutes. That's all I need.
01:24:55
This first one, I don't know. I just don't know. I'm going to write it now. All right. Spider-Man.
01:25:01
I don't. Marquez's phone. What was the question? Venom. Oh, yeah. What is he? I don't know.
01:25:09
I'm sorry. I thought this question, you know, I don't watch movies. I just thought I thought this question would be more fun than it turned out to be. I
01:25:15
mean, I thought it was a good question. Thanks. See, I hope you guys get one. Like,
01:25:21
for all the movies for all the movies you guys watch, I hope you get a point. Yeah, there's two possible answers here. Yeah.
01:25:28
I I put two answers. All right.
01:25:34
I wrote I don't know, which is correct. Correct. True.
01:25:39
I wrote the Venommites. All right. I I wrote Corg because it
01:25:44
just sounds like an alien monster race. And I And I also wrote meteor juice
01:25:50
because didn't it come from a meteor? Kind of love that. The alien. Can't give you a point. The uh the
01:25:57
colloquial name is symbiote or symbiotes plural. Oh yeah. And according to Wikipedia, I did not
01:26:04
know this. It is also known as the Clintar. The Clintar. That's kind of close to Klingon. Um,
01:26:10
every Star Trek Star Trek again. Star Trek. It's actually Dune. Every time someone leaves me, I cling
01:26:17
on. Perfect. Like an alien. Anyway. All right, Adam. None of us got that one. Next one. All
01:26:23
right, we have a chance with this one. Quick update on the score after that. Marquez with seven, Andrew with nine,
01:26:31
David with five. Honestly, not that bad. Not bad. All right, question number two. In which layer of
01:26:39
the atmosphere do Starlink satellites reside? Did we not say this out loud?
01:26:44
So now I will not I will no longer accept one of the two answers. There's two answers. Now I'm going to need the
01:26:50
specific name. No, clear. We are no longer accepting low Earth orbit.
01:26:56
Thank you. Get
01:27:02
you made it harder for yourself. Uh, there's a a line which I know is in it, but I can't think of anything other than
01:27:09
Mason Dixon line. You should write that. Just give it a shot. I wrote the dimminimous line.
01:27:17
Why? I don't know. Just Are you tariffs? Oh, yes. I was also also What is that handwriting?
01:27:25
It's cursive, bro. That's dimin cuz I ran out of time. Andrew,
01:27:32
what did you say? Blank. It's blank. Okay, Marquez. I took a stab. I said the ionosphere.
01:27:39
No. Good try. It's the thermosphere. The thermosphere. The Celsius.
01:27:47
I um is right. No, he's not. The thermosphere is part of the
01:27:52
ionosphere. Bang. But is that where they reside? Ionosphere is like most of it. Could I have written the sky?
01:28:02
I think I'm right. I'm going to give you the miso spirit. We'll give it to you. I'm not wrong. You're not wrong. That's true. You're
01:28:09
not wrong. I'm taking that point. Marquez Brownley, congratulations on your eighth point.
01:28:15
Let's go. All right. Congratulations. But also comment section, feel free to tell me why I'm right or wrong. But I
01:28:22
I'm I'm taking the point, though. Either way, that's been Headlines in a Hat for your final episode of Techtober.
01:28:28
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01:29:04
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01:29:10
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01:29:21
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