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15% of my data is Chalo 15% of my data is I tried to stop
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I tried to stoping go what is happening wait okay we have a new play that we just ran this
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is Ultimate inside baseball but like we were we're specifically game
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baseball but now we just had an entire practice of everyone on sideline yelling bingo bingo the whole time I was just
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like this is really seral right now cuz this is very much what I hear the
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merging of your two words I was like stop pressing the buttoning I just couldn't stop hearing
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it that's so funny it's yeah it's my worlds are colliding it's
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hilarious what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm marz I'm Andrew and I'm tired and tired is here oh hi tired nice to meet
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you got off a plane ah yeah that's totally fair well we got a lot to talk about so I hope you're ready for it uh
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and it's kind of a nice fun grab bag of stuff we have pixel 8 final thoughts 8 and 8 Pro also meta Quest 3 is in the
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house the video is not up yet but we have some thoughts and if you want to we can go over all kinds of thoughts we have on that also the pixel 8 video is
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up the pixel 8 video is up so definitely watch that if you haven't already um and then David has some stuff on the Adobe
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Max conference that he went to earlier this week is that where you were flying yes okay I went that 24 Los Angeles one
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day in La that's a fun one so you're not jet lag technically no but you're tired
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yeah fair I'm okay okay we're good I'll make it it's going to be great stay awake till the end of the episode better
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than I anticipated I'll just say that that's good okay uh but first I I just want to highlight a fun Twitter poll
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that I posted a couple days ago where I sometimes I post Twitter polls and I kind of think that I know how it's going
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to shake out but sometimes I'm surprised a little bit and this one I was very surprised by I put in the slack and I
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was just trying to see if people would guess before they clicked it what they thought the results would be so I tweeted would you take a self-driving
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taxi Uber no context about like the state of it now versus how much better it might get later just like would you
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take one and the results I want you to just think about this if you're listening to the podcast right now what
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do you think people would say would you take a self-driving Uber yes or no 55 yes 45 no I thought that was interesting
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yeah mostly because there's two ways to think about the answer to that which is one do you like the idea of a
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self-driving car which a lot of people are like yeah I I really have had too
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many bad experiences with Ubers lots of horror stories about you know can I stop at my house for a second can I I just
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need to pick up a package or meet my friend somewhere and you're in the back of someone's car like what is going on people just like the idea of that never
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happening again in a self-driving car solves that um but the other version of the question is given how good the tech
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is now would you currently ride in a self-driving car or maybe wait till it's
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actually a little bit better and autonomous vehicles are like fully as good as a human and I think that's
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another answer for a lot of people I think this could Splinter for sure because there's the self-driving taxis
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that are going through um San Francisco right now which is a smallish metropolitan area you know San Francisco
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is only 7 by seven square miles so there's not a lot of space to cover but if you're in like Los Angeles area where
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everything's a highway like none of the uh self-driving cars in San Francisco
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are going 70 mph on the highway right that's a different story there's still like so many variables though yeah some
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might say that's easier I would be more afraid to take a self-driving car on the freeway I would
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be less afraid really well based on what I've seen about self-driving Technologies the highway which is just
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laned line markers is typically the easiest thing to do and then the more variables you add like slowing down and
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adding bicyclists and pedestrians and people walking and kids running into the street which doesn't usually happen on a
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highway that's when it gets tricky so I feel like I'd be more likely to trust it on a highway yeah Counterpoint you'll be
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fine when you it hits a pedestrian well I guess I just don't want to be in a car where anything weird happens I think
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also La highway traffic is basically just letting it roll so like that might
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be the safest out of everything and then you don't have some creepy Uber guy trying to talk to you the entire
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who for to it or I don't trust it right now I answered not trusting it right now
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right and I think a lot of people answered this thinking do you like the idea of a self-driving car because I think if I ask and this is also you know
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I'm polling my audience so it's a lot of tech forward people that's going to skew it as well but I think if you just pulled like a bunch of average people
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you get a lot more NOS okay so can we go over did everyone here answer this this poll yes can we take a really quick pull
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of the see what everyone answered and why they answered real quick yeah we can get a percentage so what did you answer I answered yes um I remember when I sold
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my Subaru when I was in California I said I'm not going to buy another car until they're all self-driving wow which
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didn't happen because I needed to buy a car but it's kind of self-driving but not really but either way I've had like
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this magical image of soft driving cars in my head for a very long time and I like the idea of just sort of being d
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around autonomously because if I could drive to work and like sleep more or read or something something like that
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you know that'd be fun that'd be dope yeah do some work so let's say right now you just landed in you were going to the
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Adobe conference and two taxis or Ubers showed up at the airport one with a driver one that's self-driving which one
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would you have gotten in same price same everything I feel like if they are using it for
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consumers it's got to be safe enough that I'm not going to get hurt
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because otherwise it's just a complete PR nightmare like from what I've heard like they've had they've had the ability
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to do General safe driving for a while and like Nvidia has shown off their technology and Tesla has shown off their
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technology and Qualcomm like every single developer conference ever they show off their self-driving technology
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for the last 10 years but nobody wants to be first because if you're first and you kill someone you destroy the entire
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industry but mostly yourself yeah I think that mentality works for this because especially with driving cars they have to be so much safer yeah that
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they're comfortable putting it on the streets and even though they're safer than human drivers as soon as one thing happens it all gets thrown on the fact
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that it's self-driving yeah yeah I think it still has like I guess so I answered
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no because I feel like right now I no well no no I can just no I no no I can Loop off of what you're saying though is
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like I think like in general in a lot of ways it's probably safer than most drivers but I still don't know and I
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know it has at least a decade of information it's gathered but there just still so many
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variables you don't know what's coming on in these like all these different Road like scenarios out there like isn't
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there that one Highway in San Francisco where the line was painted kind of weird and there were like five or six Teslas
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crashed in the same like couple months and they literally repted it because yeah they repainted this was further
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back like just to be clear this is much further back but there's just stuff that then happens I don't know enough about
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where driving if I'm picking up a tax here in Uber I don't think I would feel and especially because in self-driving
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cars right now there's a person behind the steering wheel that it can be like whoa whoa you take over I don't got this if it's a taxi or an Uber that's just an
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empty ass seat right there and I'm not pull I'm not jumping forward and doing it like I don't think I've got the Trust
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on that yet it's crazy that as a society we're like instead of just laying down a
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few train tracks let's try to recreate brain but stronger and better at driving
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that's a whole another we will climb to biology's greatest achievements and surpass them instead of like bus stop
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men will literally simulate Consciousness before going to therapy before literally just build like a
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train yeah okay so you said no yes I said no Ella said train as the third
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option mhm what what did you actually say Alice uh I I probably would not like
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like if self-driving car pulled up to this office to take me somewhere in today right
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now man no I'm out of touch with the I've been in I've done it already driven
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it or been out of touch no I've been in we did the we did the self-driving
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Yandex pre-mapped route in Vegas oh right so I was in the backseat of a of a 10-minute ride with nobody in the
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driver's seat and I would do it again if you are driving from this office and if I accidentally
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docks us tell me to stop but when you're driving from this office
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to to New York City when you get on the freeway there's this really tricky
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maneuver where you have to get on a bridge and you're merging into a lane that's sort of coming from your back the
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one that I've Lane also exactly I've almost been hit by that like 20 times
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what would a self-driving there's no way the car can see backwards around
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all it has is a Yi sign yeah so here's what it does here's the this is the biggest downside I've seen with these
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out in the world self-driving cars the number one problem with human drivers is they're too aggressive and they will
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often crash the number one problem with these self-driving cars is they sit at the yield sign and wait for 40 minutes
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until there's a big enough gap for them to go and they will hold up traffic for a mile behind them because of it yeah
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and that's a that's annoying from the passenger seat but it's Tech technically safer yeah and that's the biggest
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difference I found if you read a lot of the headlines in San Francisco it's like it's not that these cars are mowing through intersections or whatever it's
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just that people like they come up to like a a stop sign with like a car too far into the intersection and then they
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just freeze and don't do anything and then they they cause traffic to be held up for like the entire day I care about
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my image just as much as I care about my physical body so I don't want to be the guy that everyone's pointing and
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laughing at why am I self driving taxi can't figure out why there's a basketball in the road and just stops
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for an hour it's more likely yeah but no yeah I I I I still think the biggest
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thing here is that a self-driving the difference between a self-driving taxi Uber and current
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self-driving is a person in the front seat and not a person in the front seat and taking over yeah I think even just
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The Taking Over part yeah scares me if that couldn't happen I don't think I want to be the guy in the back seat when
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that happens the one um wayo is it weo yeah the one whmo that got in that really bad accident had a human driver
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that was supposed to take over but he didn't yeah and that's also a lot that's why I say it's psychological it's
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because it's basically like how good does the tech get and how much do you trust it yeah put Tesla bot in
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there well then Dust Tesla bot she Tesla but is the Redundant like take over of
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Something's a problem it's like we just need a button to stop like we have the the robot we just have the big red
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button we just need to be sit in the back seat with a button like ready to press it at any point yeah that's kind
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of all I need would you get in a self-driving airplane for a cross country play I pretty much have are
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already B no no but no no pilot in there to do anything yes 100% I don't know enough about how much Pilots
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do I probably know lot about what how we drive but I don't know enough about how what pilots are for I could be more con
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I could be convinced I don't know anyways Adam what is your uh thought process on this in its current state I
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would not do it I could see it getting there in the future and I'll do it I also did a a BMW self-driving demo in
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Vegas yeah for and that was terrifying it was and it was like like everything
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at CES I got more exhilaration than ter well yeah cuz you were like am I going to die I don't know I enjoyed that so it
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was a fun experience but then thinking about like if an Uber just pulled up right now to take me home and there's no
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one in the front seat take me home don't you feel like if it's like publicly
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accessible and on the road and going to pick you up that it's safe enough to take you home no we have many things that are on the road right now that are
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not safe like people like the Hummer EV well yeah like the hum that's a great point but yeah there there is an element
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of like are we being beta tested on like sometimes there are real technologies that are out Frisco yeah yeah in the
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world where I'm like just because it's out doesn't mean it's good they're absolutely racing to be first and I don't want to use this just CU it's out
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and I think it interestingly with the self-driving cars it it doesn't feel that way feels like they could have been
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out a while ago and probably been just as good as they are now but they have to be so sure that they're really careful
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to not ruin everything with one mistake that they probably are even safer than you think it's kind of like how Tesla
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takes the heat with all the negative for all the negative press that electric cars get right like anything anytime
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anything happens to a Tesla every carire yeah every carire yeah I mean there's a million carf fires but anytime it's a
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Tesla the headlines are Tesla catches fire and it's like yeah I do think we'll see more EVS just in that light in
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general now that there's more of them big oil I just want to throw throw one more idea out there maybe let let this
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idea marinate in your brains I don't think people are unsafe I think cars are
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just inherently unsafe like as a concept that is tricky oh yeah 100% just
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throwing that out there I feel like the only problem with posing that question is it makes it feel like all people are
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safe where like there are plenty of people people no there there are plenty of drivers I hope to never encounter on
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the road don't get me wrong I just want to clarify that I think but it's not fun
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unless it's a one or the other no context cars are it's not that they're
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unsafe it's that the way that we drive them around right now is unsafe like if you flipped the switch tomorrow and every car became a self-driving car I
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think that would be a lot more safe yeah than if every car it would be more vers a mix of
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people and self I was just another podast talking about this I'm not going toil it to much but
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the idea of every car being a self-driving car pretty sure we' also talk to n grass
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Tyson about this possibly but you can picture like a super highway of just cars going 100 miles hour and they all
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talk to each other and they all can like immediately make moves all computer controlled and just like get you as fast and as safe as possible to your location
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but there's no way to get to that future without getting through all the complexities of some cars are
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self-driving and some are 10 years old they're humans and you can't get there without going through it ironically this
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analogy is like the Windows versus MAC analogy or the Android versus iOS
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analogy mostly Windows versus MAC I'm listening because um so Windows has to
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be like backwards compatible with a ton of enterprise software right and and government software and all this stuff
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so none of it you can't really like switch to a whole new development platform and be like everyone has to
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change but Apple can literally be like if you don't update your app to support this or like be based on this we will
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just take you off the App Store yeah so you can't take every car and be like you
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have to retrofit your carg thing so it can talk to all the other yeah but I do love the theoretical
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where every single car is a smart a self-driving car because you can literally like not have roads and just
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have like one big plane and everything's just weaving through each other at like 150 mph yeah it's awesome seems pretty
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sweet what where would the buildings go you can't just have one big plane you could and the buildings are on the perimeter that's sounds like a terrible
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place to live a big ring of buildings filled with a autonomous car Death Match like hypothetical okay what are you
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talking about the point the point I'm making is that you don't have to have everything go like straight or sideways it can just kind of they can weave
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between each other without slowing down at all I hear that theoretically theoretically yeah but we we also we've
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also built lots of roads already yes so we kind of just we don't need anymore aim to fit the roads we've built also
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David this is America also Marquez hasn't given us his answer on this yet I would take a
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self-driving Uber okay well no one cares um you my
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answer but you didn't say it and I didn't want to say five of us it's 4060 me and Marquez versus all you
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interesting freaks little freaks see you on the perimeter of the
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plane Mad Max over here okay wait I did also post something else
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to Twitter that I thought was interesting I'm super interested in finding out more about this so I posted
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an entire video to to X I guess I could call it X Twitter to Twitter I posted a
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whole video on Twitter form known as tter um I put the entire pixel uh can you trust Google video on in its
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entirety on Twitter now in the past I've done like all these fun interesting things where like you post a clip from
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the video and then link to the full video or you post a short we've done all that in the past this time I just posted the entire video and as of today if you
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were to believe the numbers on Twitter that are public facing which don't but
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if you were to believe that if you were to believe that then this is the most viewed piece of content that I have ever
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made ever on any platform stop stop it's not stop it's
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not I'll never take anything away from our LG Wing our LG Wing Tik Tok Tik Tok
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greatest video 30 5 million views or something like that this video is less
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than a week old on X and has 38.3 million views there's like 29 million in
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like the first 24 hours like the first 24 hours the thing though about that number is it's not views it's just
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Impressions it's just how many times it appeared on your timeline and the reason I know this is because I'm going to
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screen share this so you can see it on the in the video version of the podcast if you open up the analytics of the person who posted it and look at the
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numbers it say Impressions which as you expand it says the number of times this post was seen on X and just before you
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get to that the new feature that they added on Twitter was a views number that
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shows a thing but when you hover it it says views but you say when you click it it says Impressions so on a post like if
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you just tweet some text that number you could argue is the number of times it's
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been seen and so how however you want to phrase that in the timeline is that Impressions is that views like what do
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people think that is if I post it and someone is just flipping through their for you page or their timeline and it it
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flies by technically is that a view I guess so it's an impression but it's an impression like that's what the ad
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agencies would all call an impression it showed up on your screen once and had the opportunity to be viewed or consumed
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or engaged with in some way that's an impression and I'll give some credit here is that on Twitter it is very hard
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to distinguish for just at least a text like a reg text tweet who if it got
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scrolled by and readed or if it just like or if it did get read because if you're not clicking on it which half the
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time I'm on Twitter I'm not clicking on things yeah it is tough to tell that here's a good way of understanding this
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YouTube does tell you views and Impressions this same video that I posted on YouTube has about 2 million views if you go look at Impressions
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which on YouTube you know what an impression is it's this showed up somewhere in a recommended on a homepage
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in a subbox in a notification how many times did it just show up on someone's screen that's Impressions and
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this had about 20 million impressions on YouTube but it has 2 million views and
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if you go down to the to the video metrics for Twitter I'm just going to keep calling it Twitter uh it has 6
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million unique views if I scroll down even more however there is an audience
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retention graph and I use the word graph lightly but it is a 99-minute
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yeah it's a 9 minute video and uh the retention graph shows that by 2 minutes
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and 20 seconds into the video how many what percentage of people do you think were still watching you've pictured like
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the retention graph like a 50% average uation is pretty good on YouTube if you get to the end with still 40% of people
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watching Pretty Good video two minutes into a 9 minute video how many people do
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you think 2% it's exactly 2% is it really 2% I'm a god let's go
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and so wow if 2% of people are still watching by 2 minutes yeah that's not
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really a considera a view I mean it's 2 minutes it's not two seconds I guess they VI it like Okay YouTube isn't fully
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clear but we estimate it's anywhere between 3 to 30 seconds right yes but YouTube is way more information they
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give you a graph of like a little more retention a little less and you can fast forward count as an actual view on YouTu
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you're clicking on that usually too right I guess I don't know how auto play is working exactly but yeah if but you
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could click on something and then immediately hit back before it goes to like 3 seconds yeah that's up to YouTube
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YouTube YouTube to prevent gaming the system will never explicitly Define a view I'm sure there's many parameters
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that will Define a view but I think like between us if someone watches two seconds of a 10-minute video don't count
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that that's not a view right if people got to 2 minutes then it's they're watching the
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video yeah 2% of people got that far so 2% of the 6 million views got that far
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what is the what is the that metric on YouTube do you have it uh got to two minutes I will open up that right now
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also I should have published the pixel review N9 minutes ago oh no it's you just might as well hold on
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to it yeah no I'm going to find the analytic and then publish it so okay analytics analytics and I'll go into
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reach you know what's crazy 12 minutes ago I was like oh in three minutes we need to do that I'll make sure to make
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sure I remind Mar 2 minutes into the video on YouTube 63% of people were still watching wow so there's a big
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difference okay one second I'm going to publish the pixel while you're doing that I'm just going to say what I think
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I think the funniest part about this though is just how you hover on the initial post and it says views then you
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click in and then it recalls it Impressions instead and calls something else views and then unique views and
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then shows the retention graph which the graph is very funny cuz like it's hard to without a visual so for audio
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listeners rather than just a a straight line graph um where you can see like every single second within the video is
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that what a line graft is right yeah it's a bar graph where it says like zero minutes with a big thing and then says
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two minutes where it's really small again and then like increments of 2 minutes so you can't tell if all of
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those were on there for one second or two minutes wow it's insanely hard to
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tell what's actually going Su so they can understand that a what a reman suum I don't know what that is it's the let me
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Define it boo get dunked on reman sum is how you find an integral with trapezoids
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under a curve that's what I meant trapezoids no it's rectangles actually I want to find the actual yeah wow
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everyone was wrong I'm just glad I pretended not how you find the area of trapezoids under a curve oh get Dunked
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On Again trapezoids it's rectangles yeah rectangles but those are rectangles that's bar graph huge rectang
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don't understand it it's way too big of rectangles as a point the difference between can you show David the graph
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it's very funny so the difference between didn't make it to 2 seconds and didn't make it to 2 minutes and 20
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seconds is you cannot tell on the graph cuz it's all in one rectangle so just look like one bar yeah you can't tell
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while you're pulling that up let's just say maybe we wanted to make this segment into a short how would you wrap up what
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you think about Twitter uh video views and posting on the Twitter platform 7
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ask here's the graph wow hello 100% of people got to zero minutes until zero
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minutes that's helpful information 2% and then it goes one one
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zero zero people finished it 0% finished oh so probably just below I mean between
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zero and one doesn't even show up wow yeah can't even that's brutal that's probably because you're the only one to
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ever post a video that long on next no you know what to be fair Elon has been like encouraging everyone to do it cuz
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he wants to believe that the future of content is also on X so I this is literally just me trying it with this
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video he retweeted it and he retweets lots of other people who post content on X that's I'm sure especially for him
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especially they use new features like threads and all that kind of stuff so like yeah it has 38 million views because someone with a 100 million
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followers tweeted about it so yeah it's just going to blip on lots of people's timelines but like this just reminds us
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all of what happened with Facebook not that many years ago where they decided
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creators Facebook video is the future oh God you want to be on our platform matter of fact look at how many views
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you're getting on all your content and then advertisers went whoa wait a minute look at how many views are over here I
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think it's time to spend and they all went togged I know they all went to go spend and then they all found out that
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those weren't views and here we are oh I totally forgot when just they turned that was when they turned on autoplay
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and just a million videos showed up on your feed that was like 2016 2017 right I want to say
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wow they pushing pushing it so hard back then so we're just we're going through the same thing now for sure it is what
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it is um so you're quitting YouTube no why you got 30 million views did I did
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but I know that that's only Impressions and that's also because of a couple big
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retweets so I'm going to go with uh still working on it still working out the bugs fulltime xer right now still
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working out the bugs uh we should talk about the pixel a little bit more we should take a quick break though before we do that but I'm sure we'll have some
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thoughts on that some thoughts on the quest 3 and some more on Adobe so before that break let's do a little trivia
00:26:36
okay trivia okay first question we were talking about uh Uber a little bit ago
00:26:43
Uber ubed Travis kalanick and Garrett Camp founded Uber in 2009 I thought that
00:26:49
was the Taylor Swift guy no that's so dude how dare you can you get a minus Point Travis Kelsey Kelsey King Travis
00:26:57
TK I oh my God okay but Kamp is also the co-founder of
00:27:04
another popular app SL search engine what was it if you want a hint the logo
00:27:11
was an orange suu like the letters like the letters Su it was very popular back in the day back
00:27:18
in the day what can what's what coms as back I feel all the old search engines now are just like clickbait Gallery
00:27:26
websites like really bad news websites I'm just trying I'm thinking of all the search engines I've ever had yeah I don't
00:27:33
remember alav Vista yeah baby I lived on Altavista drive for a bit so it is technically a search engine as well but
00:27:40
don't get hung up on that more I use it more of an app I thought of it as an app
00:27:45
it should be right but it is a search engine an app yeah it was an app it was a Chrome extension it was a
00:27:53
website that's tough one we'll think on it it's a wigwam it's a TP
00:27:58
we'll figure it out and we'll be right [Music]
00:28:08
back all right welcome back let's talk about the pixels we can finally talk about them we've been using the pixel 8
00:28:14
and pixel 8 Pro here at the studio for a little bit now the review is up our
00:28:20
thoughts are live have you you haven't watched the whole video yet Andrew actually nobody here has I only saw the
00:28:26
intro because Brandon and I brainstormed it for a while but I wasn't able to help so you had a little bit of my thoughts
00:28:32
based on my direction on where the video would go but now we can talk about everything pixel I'm going to give my
00:28:40
highlevel version of this which is I am I'm thoroughly enjoying using the phone
00:28:46
and I think it's finally feeling like a flagship especially because of the new
00:28:52
display and then there's just a whole bunch of googly stuff all throughout this phone that that the more I use them
00:28:58
the more I get used to them and miss them in other phones m and some of those are just like the the the photo features
00:29:05
and they like fixing it and post stuff some of them are just like haul screens useful like just classic Google stuff I
00:29:12
like the lock screen and material you blah BL blah there's a ton of that stuff but I think it really finally feels and
00:29:17
this is the 8 Pro that I'm mostly using it finally feels fullon Flagship and I'm happy about that very very bright screen
00:29:24
yeah love that super actua super actu display 2400s on that bad boy it's every
00:29:30
bit of that too uh I have gotten good battery life I'm happy to say so I've
00:29:35
I've gotten between my normal days of using it in the past week like six to eight hours of proper screen on time
00:29:41
which is a good battery life on a smartphone on this 5,000 milliamp battery so that's great on the pro um
00:29:47
the cameras are pretty good I think video shows more Improvement than photos I think photos look all right um they
00:29:55
kind of have a little bit more waterc col tendency and a little bit more over HDR tendency sometimes which I've
00:30:00
noticed uh but they are big new displays and video I Shot the whole autofocus video on the Corvette super detailed
00:30:07
sharp maybe oversharpened but very very good video the color is great awesome color um the Dual exposure pixels are
00:30:14
what make the video better yeah so so autofocus is fast it's accurate it's
00:30:19
been reliable for me I keep flipping it back and forth between the car and myself and like this is why I shoot the
00:30:25
autofocus videos on a phone is so I get that experience with it the microphones are not as good and I think I was trying
00:30:31
to use some of the audio eraser features to get rid of the wind in the background and there's only so much you can do it did okay with that but I I really like
00:30:38
these phones uh this is probably what's going to be staying in my pocket I I do have some more phones to test this year
00:30:43
so I can't speak this prematurely but I really like the phone yeah yeah so some of the more interesting things that people were asking about that I think
00:30:50
are worth diving into a little bit more are one what is a photo who knows I
00:30:56
don't know is it real is any of this real nothing's real and then two is tensor G3 meaningfully different from
00:31:03
our our complaints with tenser in the past kind of I would say yeah kind of um
00:31:09
especially because I've had now I don't know how long it's going to last but I've had pretty good battery life and I think that a lot of that is because of
00:31:14
tensor yeah um software optimization of course will play A Part Android 14 has been breathing new life into phones
00:31:20
after they fix all the bugs I'm happy to say that um but I don't think it's that much of a difference otherwise it's not
00:31:26
like some super mega powerful new chip they're more focused on TPU and AI features and they've got a lot of that
00:31:32
going I think a lot of the crazy stuff with this phone is just all the crazy camera stuff they're doing with the software editing and the Magic Eraser
00:31:38
and Magic editor and audio eraser and endless features about like manipulating
00:31:44
your photos as soon as you take them if they released all of these camera features on the pixel 7 and 7 Pro as a
00:31:50
feature drop it would be insane be like a whole new phone pretty sick uh one
00:31:56
thing I want to say about like the whole lineup of phones is like they they move
00:32:01
the prices up this year each phone is more expensive the pixel 8 is 12 HZ now it's gotten its upgrade with new new TPU
00:32:09
new cameras and all that but it is now $700 to start and then this is now $900 to start so they just bumped them both
00:32:15
up I honestly think sorry $9.99 to start I I still think the pixel 8 now that we've used
00:32:22
them is a good phone for the price I still believe that um and I think it's harder than ever to justify the 8 Pro
00:32:29
and you can see Google even trying to justify the 8 Pro by artificially gating some features to just Pro even though
00:32:37
they're the same computer I mean it's extra Ram but it's the same tensor G3 and the same primary camera and the same
00:32:44
selfie camera but only one of them gets prom moded the pro only one of them can
00:32:49
actually take 50 megapixel photos the pro yeah only one of them gets uh the
00:32:55
generative fill Auto uh Magic Eraser yeah that's the pro wait
00:33:00
later this year yeah the raws are the raw are 12 megapixel on the regular one too which is weird because I think the
00:33:07
pixel 6 the Raw on the regular pixel 6 nonpr was the full 48 the 48 weird which
00:33:14
is the generative fill Magic Eraser so you have regular Magic Eraser on Pixel
00:33:19
already on Pixel 7 but there's a new improved generative fill Magic Eraser
00:33:25
where you select to it works same way it's just the quality of what it fills
00:33:31
in is better yeah they used to do in painting and now they do generative fill okay yeah it's weird yeah why are you
00:33:38
gating that that's I don't know I imagine Google always eventually just moves this Stuffle photos and I think
00:33:45
they will because there's sort of this trend in the tech industry right now where everyone's trying to get you to use more storage so that they can sell
00:33:52
you storage in the cloud oh really interesting yeah I don't know if I've picked up on that oh yeah you think
00:33:58
everyone's doing it okay CU Apple just give us gave us higher resolution by default but it was only one and a half
00:34:04
times the file size it wasn't like double the file size per photo well but think about this though like if that's
00:34:11
another way to gate you into an ecosystem if you use one drive and then Microsoft makes you have like way more
00:34:17
files and the files get bigger you have to buy more storage and then you're it's even harder to move to another cloud
00:34:24
storage solution so everyone sort of trying to make you do that and then pushing you towards the higher and
00:34:29
higher tiers interesting yeah I mean Google used to give you free photo storage unlimited and now they don't
00:34:36
anymore I know that was a long time ago and obviously like things are getting file sizes are getting bigger but sorry
00:34:42
my Google went off Karma hit real hard right there you
00:34:48
played yourself you play yourself um but yeah like file sizes are getting bigger but like storage is also getting cheaper
00:34:55
except we're the ones paying for more storage size and they're not um yeah that the whole I just wanted like an
00:35:02
anecdote from this weekend I was doing some like I went out with some family and there was a couple cousins that all
00:35:09
have kids and I mentioned the face swap feature when we were trying to take a group photo with all of the kids and
00:35:15
every single one of them was like what phone does that what is that oh my God that would be amazing so I think for the
00:35:23
masses that feature is going to hit real hard I want to go through each of the crazy camera features and explain how
00:35:28
well they actually work now that we've used them CU we saw the commercials right oh it's different from the commercials yeah now they're actually
00:35:35
out so the one you're describing which is called best take works very very well
00:35:41
it's I I think I called it Top Shot at one point like you could call it a bunch of okay that's what it was called yeah
00:35:46
but it's called it's called best take but what what happens is it sees your gallery has a burst of photos of the
00:35:51
same group of people and it goes oh there's like nine of these here any one of them you can pick as the bass photo
00:35:57
go into edit so pick the one where you like the body positions of people go into edit and then hit best take and
00:36:03
then it will go find all the other copies of people's faces and literally give you a selector for the faces for
00:36:09
those people and it works very well at merging people's like face and neck to
00:36:15
like match can unless you zoom in really tight you can't tell it's been edited genuinely 99 out of 100 quality edit
00:36:21
like really really good it makes sense cuz you can only do it within a burst photo of things right so like it's not
00:36:27
just a burst you can take like one photo wait a couple seconds take another wait a couple seconds so yeah I guess I was
00:36:33
I'm thinking burst are like not much movement can happen but as long as it's in the same general area yeah scene okay
00:36:39
so there could be plenty of movement and it's still doing there could be plenty of movement but the like the Shadows are generally the same like you're not
00:36:45
moving your location yeah yeah we tested how far apart those pictures need to be for this to work yeah we should push it
00:36:51
to yeah let let's make two people in the studio sit in the same spot for 24 hours and pictures add a bunch of shadow in
00:36:59
one photo and then make it really bright in the other photo and see if it will still so it looks weird yeah we might
00:37:05
have to play with this a little more but just you know that one feature really well amazingly well that's why the ads
00:37:12
are all about that yeah so then you have I'll do audio eraser next um this is the
00:37:18
one where they gave the example of like pointing it at like a street musician but there was like a siren in the
00:37:23
background and you could just like erase the siren while the street musician and I think that exact example would
00:37:30
probably work really well because the frequencies of a cello being really low and the frequencies of an ambulance
00:37:36
being really high can actually be probably separated a little easier than my example which was basically wind just
00:37:45
like distorting and peing the mic yeah and that was really hard to remove and I think I should expect that to be hard to
00:37:51
remove so there's going to be situations where it works well and situations where it doesn't work well sometimes s it will
00:37:57
legitimately save your video from some weird random seagull noise in the background sometimes it it will not be
00:38:02
able to fix your video so it's like a 50/50 for me I would have I had low expectations for that one and I felt
00:38:09
like in that sense it was more of a like I captured this random moment I'm not
00:38:14
looking to turn this into a video or like put actual real production and editing behind it but I just like am sad
00:38:21
that I tried to get some sort of noise and there's another noise blocking it and maybe can salvage enough of it so
00:38:28
when I'm trying to like show this moment to people you can understand what's happening also interesting note and this
00:38:34
is um a little bit of sneak peek what we're going to talk about later in the podcast but uh Adobe also just announced
00:38:39
an audio eraser feature in Premiere MH and it's a it does the analy the
00:38:44
analyzing thing but it's just a slider you can't break like the pixel will break it apart into like this is wind noise this is animal noise this is this
00:38:51
noise you can't do that in in the Adobe one but I suspect so I'm very curious about that Google's UI is amazing for
00:38:59
this it's a feature that I don't think a lot of people are going to like dig in and find that often but if they do find
00:39:05
it it is really cool just like going oh noise delete yeah wind delete animal
00:39:11
noise we'll leave it no you know what delete it it's got a slider too so you can leave it a little bit in if you want it to feel like more organic cuz
00:39:17
sometimes if you slide something all the way down it kind of it puts a compressor on it and it makes the voice sound really like compressed yeah yeah so I
00:39:25
give that like you know five out of 10 works okay yeah um Magic Eraser still works really well it's still pretty good
00:39:31
at recognizing objects magic editor is a crazy one yeah um it's funny because you go into to edit a photo and it's like
00:39:37
all black and white UI and then it's like this colorful glowing rainbow button in the corner that's like click
00:39:43
Meuse me I'm over here so you click it and it opens this this whole new UI and
00:39:49
there is definitely some latency to this where it's like all right you're going to make a big edit here and it's going to take a few seconds to generate some
00:39:56
new versions and then spit them out but basically you select something with your hands and then do something to it
00:40:02
whether it's moving it growing it shrinking it you know changing the sky
00:40:08
changing the atmosphere all these features and then you hit go and it
00:40:14
takes some time and then generates like four versions of hopefully fixing your problem yeah this one's incredibly silly
00:40:21
to be gated wait is this gated no this one works this one's across the board Magic Eraser good good good and Magic
00:40:28
editor magic editor sorry the thing that I found interesting is there were some
00:40:33
examples in the commercial that we talked about on last week's podcast that I was very curious about you remember
00:40:39
the the kid on the bench with the balloons where they moved them to the middle and it like generates the rest of the bench in the balloons so I just
00:40:46
downloaded that picture and tried it really and it didn't quite get it like
00:40:53
it got it added some of the balloons back but the bench didn't really figure out very well like it was it was
00:40:58
like a c minus edit like if I saw that I'd be like oh you messed up the edit like it's very visibly bad but there are
00:41:05
some other things where it was just like perfect and you could just move like objects around the frame I moved a car around the frame I moved all kinds of
00:41:12
things but then the other thing about the commercial is they had they're like moving people around yeah and I think they moved the one kid like higher over
00:41:17
the basket to like make it look like he was dunking I took some pictures I have some pictures on my gallery of like me
00:41:23
jumping and I said let me try that and I highlighted me and tried to move me almost every single time I try to move
00:41:29
me it wouldn't do it it refused oh yeah and it gave me an error that said this
00:41:35
may violate the Gen AI terms for Google I tried it on Tim's tongue and it did
00:41:41
the same thing I don't know that I was going to say like have you ever seen the
00:41:46
videos where people will like take a picture of their significant other and like edit their eyes just like a little
00:41:51
bit further apart and say like oh you look so great in this picture I just took of you and they'll be like is that
00:41:56
what I look like I I was like this is Magic editor is the way to just troll all of your friends but for sure the
00:42:02
funny thing about this too is because it's gen AI it's different every time right so you could take the same image
00:42:09
and try it multiple times and it's going to give you different results Dolly yeah like Dolly so you just kind of have to
00:42:14
like keep playing with it wait when you say different results not only that the results are different but also the
00:42:20
potentially skirting around like what it will so like if you're trying to move Marquez to jump higher and it says it
00:42:27
might be like in violation another photo of Marquez jumping might ination that
00:42:34
sounds totally like it works perfect I tried a bunch of photos it seemed like the
00:42:39
number one way to get it to trip for me was to try to just move me far in the
00:42:44
photo like laterally or higher it would freak out and not do it so I just like select myself and move me but I can move
00:42:51
all kinds of objects and other stuff and it would be totally fine what if you select everything around you what if you color the entire thing
00:42:59
around okay so it didn't work with that but what I will say is I did find a picture in my gallery with the watermark
00:43:05
and I selected everything around the watermark and hit erase and it perfectly erased the watermark and uh that's just
00:43:12
not against their generi terms apparently totally fine that's heaven forbid you jump higher but you want to
00:43:17
steal some artwork yeah I got you so fascinating feature I have a feeling it tries it like doesn't like skin or just
00:43:26
things that could be manipulated in a weird way that's like I tried to make I wanted Tim's tongue to go be really long
00:43:32
but it's funny because in the commercial they're moving people around yeah like several of the examples are moving
00:43:38
people they did for you I don't know like I try like I tried a bunch of photos of people I was like oh that's funny I can lie about how high I jump in
00:43:44
photos and then I tried a bunch of photos of me jumping and none of them it would let me so weird but it would let
00:43:50
me move the Frisbee it would let me move like the background in a tree and the and erase the people behind me but that
00:43:55
that trip it a lot for some reason there's also a new feature that they never talked about called camouflage in
00:44:01
the magic uh eraser magic editor thing and it just takes all of the color out
00:44:07
of the thing that you highlight I'm not sure why they it just makes it black and white did we try more of it like we were
00:44:12
trying it the other day with okay cuz when we were trying with Brandon we were all just confused to the point where we
00:44:18
thought we were doing it's like reverse color pop basically it's like hey you want to colourpop this photo rather than
00:44:23
selecting what you do want to colourpop how about you select everything you don't want to have
00:44:28
color in maybe there's like a something that's too hard to delete and it would look weird so you're trying you turn
00:44:34
black and white if you're like taking an artsy photo and like everything is like yellow and blue but there's like one
00:44:39
kind of annoying thing that's like red you could just like desaturate it so that the colors still look nice but then
00:44:45
that's black and white in like a totally color photo yeah sometimes you wouldn't notice though I'd like to see an example
00:44:51
of somebody who us this well like what if my shoes what if my shoes were like yellow so I just turn them like black
00:44:57
and white and shoes could totally be black and white in a normal circumstance yeah maybe it's interesting I still
00:45:02
think it would look black feature it's like right next to Magic Eraser in the
00:45:08
settings it's just as prominent consider and that's just weird considering it's such a minor feature but it is strange
00:45:16
yeah but yeah that's that's the Fe I I I give magic editor like a six out of 10
00:45:21
for the times it works and then the zero out of 10 for the times it says it won't do it yeah but I also think it's Google
00:45:27
and there's got to be some sort of limits so yeah I'm sure people are going to try way crazier things than I tried
00:45:33
with lying in photos so it's probably good that there's some boundaries on it you know uh so yeah that's the that's
00:45:40
the story of the pixel the video is the video quality is way better yeah um my
00:45:46
understanding of this is effectively this is kind of like how they do HDR so
00:45:52
usually when you do HDR you're stacking frames and then you just take the average color of each pixel in that
00:45:58
frame so you get rid of the noise because noise is random in this one you're taking like a high gain and then a low gain pixel and stacking the pixels
00:46:05
M and so if one has one if one has more noise than the other then it averages it
00:46:11
out High Gain and low gain meaning high and low sensitivity senstivity so if if one peaks in high gain but doesn't peak
00:46:17
in low gain it's kind of like HDR as well yes okay yeah oh and speaking of HDR something that we didn't mention um
00:46:24
these now support Ultra HDR yeah I read a really good Android police I'll put we should have a link to this
00:46:29
article about like explaining Ultra HDR and I guess it's coming soon cuz we haven't been able to test on my phone so
00:46:36
I've seen HDR but I don't know if it's the new Ultra HDR which is like baked into jpeg if that like I can share it I
00:46:41
can show it to you okay yeah so I'll share the article below but essentially it's like a very compatible file format
00:46:48
that's not just tone mapping and Blasting certain pixels but it's actually just like it's not HDR when
00:46:53
it's not on HDR Monitor and it is HDR when it is on an HDR monitor which is pretty sweet that's like the biggest
00:46:59
issue with HDR is most people don't have an HDR monitor yet so I was happy to see that that the fact that you can see on
00:47:05
Pixel is cool and you you can see it just when you take photos on the pixel if you take a photo of like a bright
00:47:10
area if you look at that photo it like it kind of you're like is that area
00:47:15
that's really bright yeah HDR is crazy sometimes I'll be on like a totally dim
00:47:20
web page like scrolling and then an HDR image comes up and it's like all right this pixel full brightness like we're
00:47:27
cranking it right now HDR is really sketchy sometimes so I'm glad that compatibility is at least being focused
00:47:33
on yeah I think it only works with the rear camera but yeah it is kind of like
00:47:39
things are very bright so there's also a temperature sensor on the pro oh right I forgot about that
00:47:45
huge how many times have you used it I have not used it a single time other than filming it so that tells you how
00:47:53
much I care about it um perfect it measures the temperature of things oh
00:47:58
yeah that's what that do wait it has a thermometer on it crazy new new thermometer app too pretty cool I'll end
00:48:05
I guess with some of my my biggest downsides of the pixel this time around with this pixel 8 Generation Um number
00:48:12
one I will say is fingerprint reader did not improve and it's fine but in the
00:48:18
world of a bunch of other $900 phones with much better much faster and more reliable and different conditions
00:48:24
ultrasonic fingerprint readers M this one being the same size and still being Optical like they couldn't pull off the
00:48:29
software magic to make this one better it still needs the extra second to get it but the software
00:48:37
magic that they did pull off was AI in the front-facing camera to enable Face Unlock and banking apps and stuff which
00:48:43
is awesome that's really nice so that's two contrasting things one they were like we don't need extra Hardware we
00:48:49
don't need infrared we'll just do more with software to get more information here yeah and with the ultrasonic fingerprint reader they were like sorry
00:48:56
yeah same thing classic that's you know slight bummer um the back material I
00:49:02
think is actually really good it doesn't really show as many fingerprints as I would like for a matte black phone I
00:49:07
would expect more um but I was bummed that there weren't more color options this year the only really colorful one
00:49:13
is blue yeah it's funny cuz in some lights at an angle this almost looks like a really dark blue and I was like
00:49:19
that would be sick but I mean M Black's nice but a really dark blue would look nice that does look really good it's
00:49:25
kind of just like dark gray or light gray like what do you want like the S the sage is that the other one greenish
00:49:31
one it's like a little bit green camouflage camouflage it's it's basically gray it's gray so that's
00:49:37
that's basically my that's my two downsides like there's not that much bad about this phone so I'm happy it's
00:49:42
pretty solid yeah yeah solid I still consistently miss the pixel fold when I'm using it though personally I just
00:49:48
like the size that is interesting cuz I came from the pixel fold yeah and this is straight to the pro it's a much
00:49:55
bigger screen yeah but I also felt like I was using the pixel fold mostly closed
00:50:01
yeah and so I got really used to the smaller aspect ratio and now just I just have like like a huge canvas now and I
00:50:07
feel like this is great good thing I like really want to go to the pixel 8 but I do like the small Zen phone size
00:50:13
but the pixel 8 is a little smaller than the pixel 7 yeah 6.2 ask you guys use your for like a day
00:50:20
or how big is this Zen phone screen I want to say that's like 6. smaller than an iPhone Mini just I'm kidding I'm
00:50:27
kidding zenphone 10 display diag 5.9 in
00:50:33
oh wow 5.9 so 5.9 to 6. it's don't got that doesn't look that
00:50:40
crazy though actually Pro this is 6.7 so imagine 6.3 it's not that much bigger
00:50:46
than your pH yeah I might have to steal the eight review yeah yeah but that's that's pixel
00:50:53
uh do we want to take a quick break and then do meta and Adobe is that we should that's what we should do sure so I think
00:50:59
before that quick break what should we do um let's see one two carry the
00:51:08
one always taking Strays over here welcome back to trivia all right question two from Ellis in 2016
00:51:16
Microsoft acquired what is now the eighth largest social media Network in the world and before you come at me I
00:51:23
know that stat could be read in a bunch of different ways but I'm calling it the
00:51:28
eth largest social media Network in the world with almost a billion users yeah
00:51:35
Which social network is it cool I already know it Microsoft Microsoft
00:51:40
Microsoft's The Social Network Microsoft bought the social network yeah it's the
00:51:46
movie bing bing it's called Bingle Bing is
00:51:52
kind of a social network cuz you can talk to it now we'll be right
00:52:04
back all right welcome back let's talk Quest three a little bit yeah a lot of
00:52:11
questions you want to talk about Quest three I really want to talk about it I've got the answers I'm like DJ khed I got how long using
00:52:19
it a I've got all the answers most of them false G make it up as I go no uh
00:52:25
I've I've mostly used it for two days okay and I've played a lot of random games and experiences on the quest 3 for
00:52:31
two days have you done a lot of p through stuff yes okay so I'll just just to give the high level Quest three is
00:52:37
like a quest two but higher resolution more responsive wider field of view and
00:52:43
with much better pass through color to color pass through which enables mixed
00:52:48
reality experiences and also Mak setup way better yeah so you just put the
00:52:55
headset on pass through turns on it's like all right draw your area boom you're set up go has Auto area drawing too if you want yeah and that was pretty
00:53:02
good and I just like expanded it a little bit because I was like I can go past the couch it's fine uh that's the
00:53:07
quest three yeah yeah it so I'm like mostly asking these questions based on uh Quinn posted a video did you watch
00:53:14
that no he didn't no so it's like him in this pretty small room and he's in pass
00:53:20
through you can see the mapping of the room but he's in this program where essentially you can create 3D objects in
00:53:27
um the your space and then you can turn the physics on so he said in just like a quick setup the when you look at the
00:53:34
mapping of the room it looks very basic but then he pulls out this like 3D car turns off the physics it's like a 3D
00:53:41
model of a car turns off the physics and just starts dropping it and it's like interacting with every single thing in
00:53:47
the room it's falling on the top of the couch rolling down the pillows rolling onto the floor it's like going onto a
00:53:53
shelf the space between like books and the shelf above it like it's mapped all
00:53:58
of that out and the way it's interacting with everything looks super super impressive um I was impressed I I could
00:54:07
still tell that there were not glitches but like it wasn't perfect okay but I was that's way better than any headset
00:54:13
I've ever used has ever handled objects in the room that I'm in um casting shadows and Stu also I'm like yeah I'm
00:54:19
watching his video that's about the quality of the pass through like it's good it's color it's not high res I and
00:54:27
I guess I'm kind of spoiled because I tried Vision Pro so I'm like trying to
00:54:33
remember that that's absurd what I tried but in uh in Vision Pro I could take my
00:54:39
phone out and read my phone mhm and like take notes and type on my phone screen Quinn said he thought that it was just
00:54:46
passible enough to be able to read his phone I could not read my phone really yeah it wasn't good enough to do that
00:54:51
but it was just short of that so I could like see what screen my phone was on but I was not about to like type something
00:54:57
like if you made me type out a tweet on my phone with the headset on I would not feel comfortable sending it cuz I don't know what I wrote sounds like a fun game
00:55:04
but it's still color you can see the room you're in there's no crazy like parallx issues you can walk around
00:55:09
there's absolutely no latency problems to the point where now I'm starting to think like could I play table tennis
00:55:14
with the headset on I think I could I think it'll be fine in pass through playing in real table tennis with a real paddle
00:55:22
because there's good enough pass through with enough latency yeah so that's good um I'm still like separating the quest
00:55:30
Pros as being easily the highest resolution most most real life pass through I've ever seen besides the
00:55:37
Vision Pro sorry Vision Pro what did I say Quest Pro oh delete that Pro baby
00:55:42
let's go Ellis is wearing a quest pro at this very moment for the audio listeners uh
00:55:48
no The Vision Pro is the best I've ever seen and that's in a league of its own yeah this passed through I think is better than yeah Quest Pro better than
00:55:54
Quest better than Quest Pro I feel like this completely just like cannibalizes the quest Pro in general which is
00:56:00
something why still when they first announced this I didn't think it would have any of this because it sounds like it would cannibalize it I would buy this
00:56:07
over the quest Pro thousand times over wen't selling very well at all even if they were the same price I would buy the quest three over the quest I think
00:56:13
that's two different answers number one does a cannibalized Quest Pro and number two would you buy it over the quest Pro
00:56:20
and I think one of those is obviously true you should not buy the quest Pro but I still think quest Pro will have
00:56:26
its place just in the fact that it's like meant to be worn all day and it is more comfortable to wear all day based
00:56:31
on all the yeah the padding at the back the way they spread the weight around your head uh it's also a little bit
00:56:37
different software wait this one's supposed to be wory yes oh then that's not looking good
00:56:43
for Quest three this is kind of a thought I had and now I want to ask you about if I can budge in there if we're talking about being comfortable mhm I'm
00:56:50
almost wondering if lighter cheaper materials in a headset might make more
00:56:55
sense because of how much lighter they are that thing is I did not find very
00:57:00
comfortable I know it has the battery in the back and is like counterbalance but like my Quest 2 is so comfortable mine
00:57:08
is sweat after a while like I have absolutely no problems wearing it until the battery just dies so I'm going to make a couple of like observations on
00:57:15
the fly without having recently tried Quest two but I it feels like Quest 3 is
00:57:21
a little heavier and balance is almost as important as weight so this is one of
00:57:26
the issues that Apple's going to have to contend with with theirs which is it is so heavy that it is inevitably going to
00:57:33
cause neck fatigue Markman just had an article about that recently that like users with testing and Vision Pro after
00:57:41
two hours are having neck pains because it's such good material so high quality and it's all front facing so this is and
00:57:48
I this is why I said that in the video like they use plastic sure and it's cheaper and it feels less ex premium but
00:57:54
they they do that for a reason the quest 3 feels a little bit heavier than I remember Quest 2 being okay but it's not
00:58:01
as balanced as Quest Pro because all of the weight is still on the front of your face and when I take it off I feel like
00:58:07
all the pressure right below my eye and like the the weight constantly being at the front of my head it's not an issue
00:58:14
it's just not as balanced as putting some of the weight behind your head and being able to move around and wear it
00:58:19
more but do you think the full like soft straps and everything are potentially more I I need to try both of them I
00:58:26
haven't gotten to try the quest 3 yet I think it looks more comfortable than the quest Pro so I think what they're finding is there there's a new strap on
00:58:32
the quest 3 and I think what they're finding is the more you can spread out the pivot point of like where it anchors
00:58:38
to the back of your head the better like apple has this big old mesh thing I don't know if you remember and I think
00:58:44
that's their version of trying it the quest 3 has like a that's a optional accessory well no the one over the top
00:58:49
is optional he's talking about just the yeah the back piece and I think that's where they're trying to like at
00:58:55
least get some of the feeling of the weight off the front of your face and so the quest has this overthe toop like
00:59:01
band that turns into a y shape and and goes to the back band and so it kind of
00:59:06
is more comfortable because of that but I still I'm looked at Ellis real quick I
00:59:13
still think what Ellis is wearing what Ellis is wearing is more balanced than
00:59:19
any of these Solutions yeah that's a subtle difference between Weight and Balance okay
00:59:25
so how's the gaming so the games I mean it's the ecosystem is about as good as
00:59:31
it was yesterday meaning you can use hand gestures now okay yeah we can talk about that so the games are still there
00:59:37
like I I played a lot of the old games I've been playing super hot ping pong there's a new golf game it's it's dope
00:59:42
um I think it's called Golf Plus I don't know whatever it's there I played it it's fun actually um but you're right
00:59:47
there's a new there's much better hand controls so the new controllers actually don't have the orb around them it's just
00:59:53
like these dis controller things without the orb and they track just as well as they ever
00:59:59
have without they I guess they kind of use like the infrared and the sensors on the front and even if you totally olude
01:00:05
them with your hand they still they seem like they're totally still tracked it's the quest Pro controllers pretty much
01:00:10
they look exactly they track very very well you can put those controllers down and use your hands and literally like
01:00:16
move menus around and place them in your room with your hands yeah you still have to do this weird thing where like you
01:00:22
press buttons that aren't there in real life life so you're like pushing through where a keyboard would be and like
01:00:29
pushing through where something would be but if you exaggerated enough it works well like you can scroll through a menu
01:00:36
with your hand by like pushing through and scrolling the menu with your finger I'm imagining it's like the overacting
01:00:42
of like comedy skits on like Tik Tok where you're just sitting there doing this and pressing all that's probably what you look like yeah but you yeah it
01:00:49
does track your hands really well you you can move the menus around which by the way are super highres olution they
01:00:55
look great um and you can move them around in space and they stay in space cu the room is super well tracked so the
01:01:00
front of the quest looks different because it has way more sensors facing out and Things Track really well so yeah
01:01:05
all that works it's fun I think it looks so cool it's fun I it makes me so sad that like
01:01:13
meta is trying to go like so intensely into this metaverse thing which kind of just like sour it a little bit by trying
01:01:21
to make it seem like we're all going to live in this madeup world where it just seems like an awesome vr/ AR experience
01:01:27
system that I really like cuz I loved the Quest 2 and like I think that VR is
01:01:33
so much more accessible now that we've gotten rid of all the wires and sensors and everything and we're all like inside
01:01:38
of just a headset you can put it on your living room super easily you don't need a whole separate area plugs into a
01:01:44
computer like the olden days of VI yeah I mean which was so much fun still but
01:01:49
like the fact that now like when my mom comes over and visit she can just throw on the quest to and play beat saer and
01:01:55
she's obsessed with it and does it every single time so like I think this is awesome I think $500 is still pretty
01:02:01
reasonable if you're looking at other consoles and stuff like that yeah but just the entire thing just felt way too
01:02:07
on this like can't you wait to see your friends with no legs from across the country it's just like it's I like I I
01:02:14
think it's like a little bit sour but I I think the quest 3 looks awesome I can't wait to use it yeah it's pretty
01:02:20
awesome it's a pretty different device than the Vision Pro so it's kind of hard to compare them yeah but it is adding like a lot more of
01:02:27
the mixed reality features which Vision Pro is more oriented towards and the fact that you can get it for $500
01:02:34
instead of $3,500 is a pretty big upsell yeah it's like I I know that Apple's always going
01:02:40
to have the ecosystem and they're going to have a lot of things fine-tuned but a sixth of the price is a
01:02:47
crazy difference and also like I still wonder if the quest 3 might be more
01:02:52
comfortable than the Vision Pro because of how heavy it is what if I told you that you can use your own battery Bank
01:02:58
probably probably what if I told you that in four years there will be a cheaper
01:03:06
Apple Vision headset non-pro what's cheaper cheaper than $3,000 is pretty easy 700 let's say if I
01:03:13
say 700 making up $700 and the advantage to that one will
01:03:19
be obviously the ecosystem stuff and all of the things that Apple learns from
01:03:24
their $3,500 experience maybe that's better Optics better screens but then
01:03:29
meta has the quest five or six at that point that they've also learned from actual user I do think like meta has a
01:03:36
big step forward on all of this just like they've been doing this for so long which I think that's true but then Apple
01:03:44
just stepped in and made the best pass through I've ever seen yeah yeah at a price point that's not really consumer
01:03:51
focused it's so hard comp but like if I want if I want my $700 headset to learn
01:03:57
from any other headset I definitely want it to learn from Apple's you know I guess I don't know enough about the
01:04:02
internals and who's learning what and can I learn something from something that has this like insane
01:04:09
state-of-the-art whatever and then make it into with like consumer base off the-shelf products that can be sold for
01:04:14
way cheaper or Apple's also a trillion dollar company and maybe they just take a loss on the the cheap version later
01:04:20
there's a lot of variables I don't know where exactly it's going to go but yeah they're there'll be more quests by the
01:04:26
time that comes out I have no I have no idea it's a weird I'm with you that it's like a great gift right now an awesome
01:04:34
first VR headset because of how well the mixed reality stuff makes like setup super easy it makes it way more natural
01:04:41
to just have like the menu floating in the room you're in instead of being in like a virtual world immediately I think
01:04:46
it makes people more comfortable being able to see the room around them I think it's a great first headset for a lot of
01:04:52
people because of that how well it works yeah so I think it's interesting that they're they're really pivoting now into
01:05:01
mixed reality stuff though like that's that's it's funny it's it feels very reactive to me because I think that when
01:05:08
the quest has been built over the last amount of years back when it was like the Oculus Rift it sort of felt like
01:05:15
they were always very focused on gaming and being in a fully virtual environment
01:05:20
I mean that's the whole reason that Facebook like make they made um Horizon worlds and they made out your avatars
01:05:27
and all these things and they were like yeah we're going to be all virtual completely virtual totally virtual and
01:05:32
then Apple did The Vision Pro and then now the new Quest is like this is now more pass through I would fight back
01:05:40
though cuz the quest Pro was out before the Vision Pro and that was like all AR pass through stuff but the pass through
01:05:45
was not nearly as good just cuz it's not as good doesn't mean they reacted to it like The Vision Pro The Vision Pro was
01:05:52
like super p through stuff look as someone who has used the AR part
01:05:58
of the Vision Pro now for like since it came out Quest Pro it is very confusing between just
01:06:06
like you know when you were talking about like experience like the quest Pro is like borderline unusable right as a
01:06:12
as a AR device like like literally I'm not here saying it's better than the Vision Pro no no no I know but just like
01:06:19
you literally like I'm looking right at a computer screen and I cannot see
01:06:25
on like I can't out any of your faces right now everything is shaking violently as we speak I'm saying their
01:06:33
focus was on that before Apple released the Vision Pro right I think it's just
01:06:38
yeah it was their focus and that's what they tried to do but it also was their version one and it turned out that they
01:06:44
needed more learnings to and honestly Quest 3 is a better Quest Pro than the quest Pro in a lot of ways that's I
01:06:52
that's why I say it's cannibalizing that's totally fair feel like why would you ever when you said before like
01:06:59
they're kind of separate on like would you buy it and does it have its place its place is to rip off a bunch of
01:07:05
Enterprises to pay way too much for it and then to learn from it to build a better thing maybe but yeah Quest 3 why
01:07:12
would you ever buy Quest Pro if it feels like Quest Pro walked so Quest 3 could job it feels like Tesla Roadster to
01:07:19
Tesla Model S to Tesla Model 3 yeah does that make sense yeah they never buy a
01:07:24
Tesla Roadster the original Tesla Roadster today but it was a $100,000 sports car at one and now we have a
01:07:30
model 3 yeah saying yeah it happened so that's yeah that's Quest three I'm I'm
01:07:36
working on putting together a full review of it so you guys can see all my thoughts and and all my comparisons as someone who has tried some of the crazy
01:07:42
things that Apple put out and also someone who can reference uh old Quest stuff as well but we also want to talk
01:07:48
about some Adobe stuff yeah letting I'll let you dive in to the Adobe what where did you go I went to Adobe Max which is
01:07:55
their annual uh it's not really a developer conference it's more of like a
01:08:01
here's all our new features and we're going to have like classes and get a bunch of creators who've been using
01:08:07
these features for a while to teach you how to use it and just a bunch of creative people to like come together
01:08:12
and like meet each other and talk about their processes and all this stuff the there's a few reasons I wanted to go one
01:08:19
because the last couple of years uh Adobe has announced a lot of like really crazy A features at a Max yeah and
01:08:27
that's an interesting space for me because we mostly use Final Cut but Premiere is getting more and more like
01:08:32
they're plugging in AI features really fast and are they yeah interesting a lot of interesting AI features okay cuz I
01:08:38
know Photoshop is doing a lot of that stuff Premiere is getting kind of crazy I'm very interested in Premiere things
01:08:44
that they're doing um so the first half of the the keynote was kind of felt like
01:08:50
a bunch of adults just making collages for an hour um because they announced
01:08:56
Firefly fire well no sorry they didn't announce Firefly they just like showed the power of firefly and for those that
01:09:01
don't know Firefly is their version of Dolly yeah um and I have this hot take
01:09:07
that both AI image generation and also AI chat Bots are not even remotely close
01:09:15
to the the actual useful things that we going to do with AI it's just that they're the first things that came out
01:09:21
to the public that felt flashy and like a party trick that people could look at and say wow that's better than everything that we have currently almost
01:09:27
like the gimmick version of it but because they were the first things that got released and because they're the
01:09:32
things that make investors go wow that's really cool companies are investing really heavily on trying to make this
01:09:39
technology better than everybody else so there's sort of this race to the bottom um so you got Google making AI image
01:09:46
generation you got Adobe you got like all these people so the first half of the keynote was just them being like
01:09:51
look I can create a garden and then put a fox in it and then I can put a
01:09:56
butterfly in front of the fox and wow look at my piece of art and I would say to that does that make you happy because
01:10:04
I think that a lot of art a lot of doing art and making art has to do with how
01:10:10
you feel about what you made and like if you feel personal gratification for making it because art is subjective oh
01:10:16
it's philosoph we're to philosophy immediately sorry yeah no I feel I'm I'm with you on that like the AI tools I've
01:10:22
had a lot of these conversations theol
01:10:30
Lort it's technically not as good it's weird I think there are there are ways
01:10:36
you can like separate it if there's just like a like rotoscoping you know what rotoscoping is for people that don't
01:10:42
know in movies if you want to like cut out a character so that you can like change the background you have to do
01:10:49
this thing called rotoscoping where you basically like pick little points all around the character frame by frame and
01:10:56
cut them out so that you can cut out the background and uh I have multiple friends who like work at Studios and
01:11:02
when you're an intern at one of these Studios the thing that they make you do for like six months is just do rotoscoping because it's the worst job
01:11:09
no one wants to do now they have ai at rotoscoping tools where you press a button and for the entire 30 second clip
01:11:16
it's all rotoscoped super tedious work super tedious work so that's not a thing
01:11:22
that's like I'm going to be creative here it's more just like no one wants to do this and I'm all for that mhm um but
01:11:29
yeah I don't know anyway so that was the first that was the first half of the keynote was just them showing like reminding people that Firefly exists
01:11:36
right um but then they expanded Firefly so they expanded it to Firefly vectors
01:11:42
so now you can make Vector art with firefly which Vector art is like an illustrator it's got all the little
01:11:48
points that are completely editable so it's like a a mapped out version It's like you drew it by hand and that's
01:11:55
really interesting cuz you're generating it's like generating images but you can manipulate them to a very very high fine
01:12:02
degree yeah and I I if I'm not mistaken Vector also generally means since it has
01:12:07
those points is it's scalable like infinitely yeah so that's like such an
01:12:12
important thing that's what people use illustrator for is because you can scale it infinitely yeah um so that was really
01:12:18
cool they introduced illustrator web which is a lot simpler version of Illustrator that is on the internet I
01:12:25
really wish they would do this for After Effects because after effects is like the most complicated looking program if
01:12:31
we get to the point where you have in browser After Effects we're on another it's that's
01:12:37
wild that it will no you're not wrong it's just really crazy to think about yeah wait can we clarify real quick
01:12:43
these are in beta still right they're out now um in beta though I think they're all on beta yeah but I think
01:12:48
they're they're all you can use it now Co yeah everything dropped yesterday um um okay Premiere so they now have text
01:12:57
based editing Premiere so every time you P pull Clips in it automatically transcribes it okay and then you can
01:13:03
like highlight a part of text and click a button and it'll drop the clip of just
01:13:09
that text into the timeline whoa so if you were sitting in for an interview or
01:13:14
something and you knew everything that it was said already and you're like oh yeah he said that twice he said it
01:13:19
better the second time highlight drop in drops it in or if you have multi cam you can cut really easily between all of
01:13:26
that really fast or like let's say if you're a YouTuber with an a roll yeah with a roll I and then wait then you hit
01:13:32
your take and then you say like use that take and then you search that in the text space later and then highlight the take before yeah and it automatically
01:13:39
drops it in sick um they have an um and a detector a filler word detector it's a
01:13:46
button that you press and it detects all the filler words in the whole thing and you can just delete them all oh I hi you
01:13:51
need that yeah they don't have um they didn't have any sort of like morph cut thing so it was kind of a little jump
01:13:58
Cuts little jumpy my sentences would just be like a caveman like trying to talk it look like a film to Franco video
01:14:05
cut if they had like an I'm sure that they'll add this like an automatic like um morph cut type thing to make it work
01:14:11
a little bit better that'd be cool um but yeah that was pretty that was pretty interesting wait yeah are you going to
01:14:16
teach Adobe AI when it cuts out like ums and stuff to jump cut push in like yeah
01:14:24
like YouTube J cut yeah would be incred uh they made a background noise thing
01:14:29
that I alluded to earlier that is almost exactly like the pixel one m and I believe that this is all Transformer
01:14:36
based because it's all pattern matching cuz it's interesting Final Cut has a built-in noise reduction tool for any audio track and I wonder the difference
01:14:43
between not just how it works but how effective that one would be versus the one that's built in I think this one
01:14:48
would be way better because it's Transformer based I want to try it yeah yeah so it's seemed like it worked
01:14:54
really well they had this clip of this woman talking at some event and it was really windy and there was kid noise
01:14:59
they press one button it gives you a slider but it like enhanced This Woman's Voice who was like talking at this park
01:15:04
it made it a lot more full it got rid of all the wind noise all the kid noise um it was like a one button thing it seems
01:15:10
very useful I was thinking about Ellis's uh Ellis versus AI video a lot during this yeah yeah seemed really helpful um
01:15:18
they also said they're working on text to video and image to video so they showed a couple of examples where like
01:15:24
you could type in some text and it would just generate a video based on that text they also showed a sample where they
01:15:30
dropped in a photo of an elephant and they said turn this into a video and then they played like a 10-second clip
01:15:36
of that elephant like walking around yeah what was it doing cuz I'm imagining it just being like it was kind of like SW that kind of warpy like make a image
01:15:44
look 3D it wasn't too bad it was sort of like kind of swaying back and forth it looked like a pretty convincing video
01:15:49
clip oh God yeah we're getting into some weird ter I can't wait till one of them's like this is how we can do it and
01:15:56
types in Will Smith eating spaghetti and it actually does it correctly and then we
01:16:01
compare that's the Benchmark for all the Future tools that video yeah I have a question yeah is this going to work
01:16:08
typically on device or is it going to be some sort of cloud-based I would bet it's Cloud it's probably Cloud yeah cuz
01:16:13
I'm thinking like using Premiere just to analyze a couple frames takes forever our computers are not like they're not
01:16:20
made for this type of processing anyway so I'm sure it's cloud-based I think everything that they're doing is is
01:16:27
trying to do more ecosystem lock in just get you tighter into the Adobe sweet more subscriptions yeah more
01:16:33
subscriptions um yeah but the big the main reason I actually went to Adobe Max
01:16:39
um was not for this it was because I'm working on a video for the studio channel for like later this month which
01:16:47
I'm glad that I finally get to say sneak peek I'm working on a video about that MH um but about this thing called the
01:16:53
content authenticity initiative um which is a group of companies which is a ton
01:16:59
of companies they have like 2,000 people in it now that are working on this encrypted
01:17:04
metadata that basically will show you every asset that was used in that piece
01:17:10
of content that you made and it'll give you like a tree of like every asset that
01:17:15
was combined to make a piece of content and how those individual assets were changed so if you have something in
01:17:21
Photoshop like a a photo in Photoshop and you make a bunch of adjustments to it when you export it if you have this
01:17:28
content authenticity thing switched on it will write that into this encrypted metadata that moves with the image okay
01:17:36
and it'll have this little content credentials thing in the corner that lets you know like hey this is legit you
01:17:42
can trace it it's an open source thing you can like put it in the like in this web- based tool on the internet and see
01:17:49
all of the changes that have been made to it and it's not not NE I think that people keep getting this wrong like it's
01:17:55
not necessarily that they're using this to try to catch Bad actors they're using it to prove the transparency of what
01:18:03
you're doing so um for example you could use this on video If theoretically if
01:18:10
YouTube implemented this kind of thing if you if say Final Cut had a Content
01:18:17
authenticity toggle that you could turn on it would it would create this encrypted metadata on the is attached to
01:18:23
your video when that goes onto YouTube they'll be they there'd be a little verify this is directly from Marquez
01:18:30
thing shows it would made it was made by Marquez brownley on his computer using Final Cut using these specs and so then
01:18:38
if someone else like uploaded your video in full to YouTube or whatever then even
01:18:43
if the system didn't catch it it wouldn't have the content credentials thing on it and so it would be obvious
01:18:48
which one was real gotcha yeah so it's a it's a interesting I think most people
01:18:53
think that they're doing it to try to catch ai ai stuff deep fakes yeah and
01:19:00
Adobe and a few and Microsoft just signed on to this too anything that's generated through Adobe through like
01:19:06
Firefly or through being a doly 3 is going to have content credentials
01:19:12
automatically on so you'll always know like this was a piece of content that
01:19:17
was AI generated or this is a piece of content that was used to create other content that was like merged with other
01:19:23
content and it's cool cuz when you drop a piece of content into this uh tool online you can literally see all the
01:19:30
different things that were attached to it yeah um and so one of the ideas too is that a bunch of camera manufacturers
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have signed on to this so like Leica and Nikon and a bunch of these companies and the New York Times And The Wall Street
01:19:42
Journal and Twitter signed on to this before Elon bought it uh so theoretically they're on it okay but the
01:19:49
idea is that in a few years theoretically the New York Times will say all of our photographers are going
01:19:54
to use content authenticity initiative enabled cameras that have this encrypted
01:20:02
metadata on it so when we upload to our website or upload to social media it
01:20:07
says which journalist shot the photo if it's it's this transparency thing to see if it's been modified at all yeah
01:20:14
because there have been a couple new sites recently that have uploaded unknowingly AI generated Imaging and
01:20:20
that's becoming a huge problem really fast yeah yeah yeah I guess it's good to see that from both sides it's kind of
01:20:26
funny they go they go on one hand from being like look at all these tools to manipulate your images I know and then on the other end they're like but also
01:20:34
you really want to know what's been manipulated you have to you have to have the like our stuff could really screw
01:20:40
some stuff up so we also need to find out how to not screw it up there's a big irony in that it's sort of like open AI
01:20:46
starting this all and then being like we really need regulation around the stuff that we're doing yeah but I think that
01:20:52
it's it's one of those things was like people are going to do this no matter what and so if you're part of the
01:20:58
figuring out what's AI generated and what's not then at least you're helping it it's an open source thing so Adobe
01:21:04
did help create the standard but they don't own the standard the content authenticity initiative runs the
01:21:10
standard which has Partners from like all throughout the industry yeah um yeah
01:21:15
so I just find it pretty interesting and I'm I want to make a a fuller video on this so I went to Adobe Max and I
01:21:20
interviewed the the guy that invented the standard okay um so I just wanted to get his take on it and build out the
01:21:27
video more fully I think I kind of see it the same way like is is going to happen whether we like it or not like technology is just improving so rapidly
01:21:34
in this direction that we might as well get ahead of the whole ethics part cuz
01:21:40
it's we're getting there we have to be there there's a lot of money to be made in creating the problem and solving the
01:21:46
problem you get both sides of it I mean let's be real it's money eat us the poison and serve us the antidote
01:21:53
Adobe Adobe so oh also they did use one more thing at the end of the keynote
01:22:01
they literally said but we do have one more thing and I was like you guys are really going to do that iconic but for a
01:22:07
different group of people I know and nobody reacted to it and then he said you can clap now nice so he used the
01:22:14
other on stage straight references yeah that's the kiss of death for a presentation when you go you can clap
01:22:24
um that's tough but the one more thing was that they had they announced Firefly 2 so it's basically a dolly 3 competitor
01:22:31
okay um everything is way more realistic a lot better than the first one it looks like it's directly competing with Dolly
01:22:38
3 moving so fast yeah I know I think it feels like all of these companies are are moving at the same pace and then
01:22:44
it's just like who's going to make the first strike and then everyone else immediately follows afterwards yeah so
01:22:50
yeah I mean you have access to Firefly if you just have an adobe subscription so there's going to be a lot of stuff
01:22:56
out there it was a very exhausting very fast-paced but very fruitful 24 hours I think it's going to help my um video a
01:23:02
lot so fascinating yeah stay tuned for that video yeah yeah lot of generative
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Channel lbes a lot to talk about we should of course all right trivia finish it up
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with trivia
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triv Okay so the score real quick
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Marquez with 10 Andrew with two three carry the five five Andrew has
01:23:33
five David with nine all right first question I'm just going to get straight
01:23:40
to it Garrett Camp also co-founded another popular app SL search engine
01:23:45
that wasn't Uber what was it called the logo was an orange suu SU Su
01:23:54
u h oh my pen barely works Andrew just
01:24:02
gave up you're doing great sweetie my pen barely
01:24:09
works I just R up my all right flip him and read what do
01:24:17
you got I just wrote F you more no I'm
01:24:23
joking does this keep happening totally the same person we both wrote super
01:24:29
user wrong I totally thought Marquez wrote super
01:24:34
uber first it was Uber then super uber he's like I've got it that would have been so good it was stumble upon oh my
01:24:42
god wow dude I legit thought maybe it's stumble upon but then you said it's search engine that's why I said don't
01:24:48
get hung up on that because technically it's a search engine no ah I thought stumble P's the one where you just went
01:24:53
to it and it like it gave you a random page out of nowhere just without you putting yeah I mean it was like also
01:25:00
like Google Plus like every page had [Music] a God I am really I can't remember the
01:25:06
names of these things I yeah wow I'm really sad I didn't remember that I had that thought that's why I gave you guys
01:25:12
the logo cuz I was like hopefully that helps them I somehow did not even connect the Su and stumble upom cuz I
01:25:17
thought earlier stumble upom was kind of cool and I didn't even think that was like lowy one of my favorite
01:25:24
like9 oh that reddit website what's that I'm trying to the
01:25:29
the like mechanics of stumble upon were interesting at the time don't you just go to the site and it sends you to a
01:25:35
random and then there's like a refresh button pretty much another is a search
01:25:40
but then there was also I think I think it also later turned into because they
01:25:46
realized they couldn't capitalize a bunch on just tot then I do believe it turned into like War ways searching
01:25:52
through question number two I can hear you writing can you hear the words that I'm writing maybe question number two I
01:25:59
wish in 2016 Microsoft acquired what is now the eighth largest social network in
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the world to name the top eight with almost 1 billion users Which social
01:26:13
network is it boom eight largest social
01:26:20
networks Facebook
01:26:26
threads oh I I should have said this is as of July 2023 so I don't think threads was out when statista compiled this list
01:26:34
oh is threads technically in the top eight I guess I guess it would be they
01:26:39
passed 100 million users in 5 days yeah I guess I three four five six damn don't
01:26:45
know what other things are considered social media platforms it take me a while to get stumble upon Reddit that
01:26:51
reddit website Linked In we all said LinkedIn and
01:26:56
you're all right and they say Ellis questions are hard at the top of the
01:27:01
podcast can I like just say that out loud like when Microsoft acquired LinkedIn and whatever we about the
01:27:08
purchase price for sure wait do you have the top you said eight I have the top eight right here number one can I try to
01:27:15
can I try to name them all threads in order I might not be in order I won't be in order okay but I think I'll get all
01:27:20
eight one two three four five or seven one so LinkedIn is I have the top 10 in
01:27:27
front of me okay so Myspace is what Facebook Facebook's on there number one 3.3 billion Instagram Instagram is
01:27:34
number one two three 4 Twitter uh Twitter is not on here yeah X
01:27:43
yeah okay X is not on here wait what oh no it's a TW they have a really small user I knew they did but I still thought
01:27:49
it would have been top50 million okay yeah that's not going to cut it yet chat snapchat is number 10 okay
01:27:56
Snapchat WeChat WeChat is on here number five number one whoa okay number one
01:28:03
then I get into the the ones that are not as popular here like is orchit still popular never heard of that what the
01:28:08
hell it was really popular in South America a couple years ago and I didn't know if it was still as popular it's
01:28:14
clearly not about line uh statista line is not out here statista includes two
01:28:19
popular video platforms YouTube and Vimeo no no way no I almost said Tik Tok
01:28:27
is D Tik tok.com Tik Tok and youtube.com yes that's right um and that leaves two
01:28:33
more yes there's one you know what there's one on here that
01:28:38
I they're counting Facebook Messenger as a separate you count it's a separate app
01:28:44
then you would also count WhatsApp what's WhatsApp is indeed on here I what's up with that indeed's on there
01:28:52
indeed is not on here hey no free ad range the two that you did not get can't even crack top 10 one of them is only
01:28:59
available in China it's called Duan okay right that's the 10cent uh someone look
01:29:05
that up for me they should just merge that with WeChat what duan's not a meta property oh WeChat WeChat no what's
01:29:13
up well that wasn't helpful uh we just Googled Duan and the of course the
01:29:18
Google results are in Chinese so yeah it's not going to help um the other one is not Chinese it's telegram with 700
01:29:26
million users go wow okay yeah I think number 11 is MKBHD
01:29:38
docomo rip dude Urban Spoon rip May super us Rip but hey we got a lot of AI
01:29:46
stuff coming up so that's pretty cool and that was all in our podcast today but that's been it for this week this
01:29:51
this episode I don't even know what y'all are looking at over there I'm notum stumble upon it it tried to make
01:29:57
him download some weird app oh I'm glad stumble upon I think it's called mix kind makes stubble upon where it just
01:30:05
like some dudes faces that were just shaved Shark Tank idea anyway glad you
01:30:11
joined us for this week hope you join us next week after that one I hope you stay with
01:30:16
us too bye wa was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis roen were're partnered with media podcast Network and our intro
01:30:23
out music was created by V [Music]
01:30:42
Sil I'm using the generative wallpapers and it's frowny face and moons why
01:30:48
because they kind of did you ask it to be that they kind no I randomized it oh frownies is kind of sad wait do you get
01:30:54
to type things in or does it just do it's just emojis it it's random it's
01:31:00
frownie faces moons and small happy face can you do you get to pick the Emojis no you can you can you can can you do a hot
01:31:07
dog one H oh now we're talking Gizzy wallpaper Jes a Gizzy and a
01:31:13
roboty and police you can do what pattern do we want oh wait how is this
01:31:18
AI if you're just picking all well there's a randomize option pattern oh no it changed the Emoji it's the
01:31:23
place that it puts the Emoji that is AI generated there's nothing AI generated about this but you don't know where the
01:31:29
Gaz is going to go it could be anywhere David's like pick this pick that too okay what do we want for this okay this
01:31:36
I was like there's nothing AI David has made every decision that's doing seems like it's your intelligence not
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artificial intelligence
