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people pre-ordered and put down a lot of money for the Roadster no that that makes sense no I'm totally getting Elon
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right now um yeah uh but uh one of my eons is never happening I've been able to put that dream to rest Kerbal I think that closure is nice though it wasn't luckily I never pre-ordered it so
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I guess I'm not out of money but I'm out of a dream anyway that's my my rant it's
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low energy rant but disappointing it's a good first headline still coping go go seers another dead dream hey heyy which which will come first Brandon
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Ingram can still save [Music] us what is good people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast I'm back we're your hosts I'm Marquez and I'm Andrew and this time David's on vacation David's on
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a sick vacation I'm sure he'll have lots of photos of it that are way too wide for Instagram he's on
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a that's they'll take at least four Instagram carousels to make it through the entire photo yeah so we wish him well with that we also have Ellis back who was on a sick vacation Su oh well he
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was sick yeah then the vacation was Co um but we're glad to have you back um one day we will have the full crew back on the Pod yeah at some point at some point but until then we have a hat here
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and whenever you see the Hat on waveform you you know what that means already that means it's a kind of a light but kind of a scattered week of news which
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is just the right formula for headlines and a hat I don't know why I thought music would play there we do need a
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headlines and a hat theme song Maybe is that what last time we did headlines I don't remember but I have I think that was from a Trivia episode or something it was from a Trivia episode I just it's
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the only sound B that I have here so I was like screw it I'll take it I I like that um but as you can see got some
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headlines we've got a hat it happens to be a Nova York hat which if you're following the NBA this week will make a lot of sense oh yeah and if you're not
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following the NBA I was say then listen to the locked on Nicks podcast but you probably won't understand that either
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but and if you're a Philadelphia 76ers fan hang in there that sounds Evergreen yeah uh how you want to go first should I uh you do
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the honors back okay first headline in a hat we have some of the best tech headlines rumors and leaks in this hat I
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think there's eight different ones today some fun ones some Hardware what do we got first first one
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reads all caps Adam mad I'm mad that was not put on our outline isine what's this headline mean who wrote it The
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Verge I just thought it would be fun to throw this in there so you guys would have no idea what I was going to say and what I am mad about is that I still
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cannot pair the Apple watch with anything but an iPhone this is true and always will be random random little thing that I'm mad about like I have my iPad Mini I have an Apple Watch I'm not
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on using an iPhone MH I can't I can't use it it's just like okay so what was that uh that thing where like to get iMessage on your Android was actually running a bunch of like iPhone sixes off
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of a server we haven't done that for like the Apple watch yet on Android virtual machine iPhone on your Android phone that's that pings it back to your
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Android phone that would be Apple's worst nightmare Apple's already ready to take that down yeah no that's that's
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classic apple leverage their goal is to make the Apple watch so good that you want to switch to the iPhone just to use
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the Apple watch and that's kind of true about some other products they already have in their ecosystem this is why we
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call it a wal Garden if you love airpods and all the features with airpods you can't really have all those great
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features I mean it'll work as like regular Bluetooth headphones but most of those great features only work if you have an iPhone mhm and so if you see
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those features you get the iPhone to get them and then once you have both that's twice as hard to get out cuz I don't
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want to get rid of this nice pair of headphones so I'm going to stick with the iPhone instead of just leaving the iPhone Adam what would you be okay with
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what features would you be okay with losing let's say if it was like air Apple watch was like airpods and it
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could work on your Android phone but you had to lose some of the features what would you be okay losing and what do you really want I would assume that I'm
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automatically going to lose iMessage so that's fine because I'm on Android so You' be no text notifications no text
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notifications like no messaging period I'd be okay with that I literally want it just to be a watch obviously time a
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time and and that's all it does and then they made my health metrics like tracking my workouts and
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things like that it goes to Apple health and that is on is it on iPad I don't think that's on iPad it is just recently I think the latest version there is okay but can you sync the Apple watch to the
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iPad it has to be synced to a phone first I believe and then it cannot go to the iPad so it's like that little like
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half step off is just like so annoying so you would be okay if you could just set up your Apple watch on your iPad let it locally store your data and then sync it at night to your health metrics on
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your iPad yeah exactly I'd be completely okay with that that's fine but see that would allow you to not have an iPhone
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which is not cool with apple that's funny yeah since we're doing the Adam mad headline and I just thought of
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something this morning that I was mad at that was very small please go does anyone else have any ones can we all do one small thing we're mad at tech-wise
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I'm cool with that okay why can you rightclick in Google Docs to see copy paste and different
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formats of that but can't click them you have to use shortcuts and I know that sounds really stupid because like
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command C command V is very easy but there's one called paste without formatting that I really like because
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sometimes if you copy text from feels like Discord does it a lot but it'll copy it with like a black background and
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white text and rather than changing that I just want it to in be formatted how my doc is but I never remember the shortcut
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for that it's command shift V by the way um and if you just try and rightclick and paste with that formatting all it does is bring up a little popup that says copy and pasting in Google Docs
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these options are actions are unavailable using the edit menus but you can still use shortcuts but but then it
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only does copy cut and paste not paste without formatting mine worked just now you have you have to install a Chrome
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extension for that to work that's going to be hard in Firefox I believe so well I think it would work in Firefox another
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thing I'm mad about has it Firefox and YouTube in the last week have just been butting heads and it is basically impossible to play a YouTube video on Firefox um with some update that YouTube
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did I tweeted about it and got like 150 comments of people having the same issue and that it's issue I don't know what
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they changed and Firefox is working on it but the amount of times it buffers or the videoes but the audio plays skipping
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around is basically impossible H all of that happened in the last week a question yeah you I've known you've used
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Firefox for a while mhm but why why it all started when I was a young warthog no just when I was doing it my
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uh director like used fire fir Fox as well and I was like I remember using that once and I started using it and
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just I don't like change and I just kept using it I usually have a chrome window
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open with like maybe like some other things so I can like separate windows and such cuz I don't like separating in
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the same app because then I can't click the icons on the bottom to select which Windows specifically at least in one
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click yeah but yeah I don't know I just still use Firefox cuz I I feel like Firefox might be like a 2% 1% market
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share at this point it's pretty low and I feel like the best browsers because of their huge market share get all the
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great features and support and I don't think Firefox is going to get any better I think Firefox gets features in support
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it's popular issues with YouTube or issues with sites that don't load properly probably won't get priority
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fixed anytime soon I think Firefox is fixing because it's just a I wish I dug deeper but everything I tried to read
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about this was extremely hard to understand why it's not working um according to this website stat counter
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Firefox is 2.82% there's dozens of us um yeah I I I don't know I like it okay why you got to harp on me like that no I'm just curious because I I've switched browsers
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recently I moved from I was a Safar on Mac person to Chrome and now I'm using Arc which is I guess you know built on a
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similar engine but it's got all this Chrome extension support but all these other features that I like and I just
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find it great so I'm just curious I think Firefox is more users than Arc but you're saying it's like it's like compatible it's got all the features of chrome so it feels like Chrome I just
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like it I like to be different that's fair and cool I don't think it is on web kit like Safar Quantum browser engine oh that sounds that sounds way cooler than
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chromium sounds cool but breaking YouTube do you know what else is built on chromium
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Edge touche touche what do you mean I'm trying to think of something I'm mad at I like that as a topic but I can't
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anything a small thing we could just bring it up later if one of these head do you have anything oh yeah he's done
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something and this is just maybe less a specific thing and more just like a part
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of the punishment we're all receiving for living in the future um but uh in 2019 maybe like 2020 or somewhere around there um the uh sequel to my favorite
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video game ever was announced uh Kerbal Space Program to around that same time uh my favorite synthesizer company announced their next synthesizer um both of these companies
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said uh we'll be releasing our project in um one and a half 2ish years uh yeah it is almost five years since then my friend shout out to you Ian if you're
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listening we uh for years now we're like which one's going to come out first we know we want both and um I don't know if
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you're in the Kerbal Space Program Community you now know that uh Kerbal Space Program 2 borrowed too much code
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from Kerbal Space Program 1 for them to be able to implement all of the features that they promised when they announced
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the game like the Kerbal space one architecture it just isn't capable of making so uh uh the publisher fired
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everybody at the studio and shut it down and is not I don't know if they're refund I think they are giving some
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refunds for pre-orders like if you played the game for less than like I don't know how it works and then um for
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the synthesizer and I'm not trying to knock the synthesizer company lzx because they are very small business
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that makes Incredible things L's the owner rocks but he hasn't updated the production blog a and uh you know my pre-order I
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pre-ordered it it was announced in early 2020 I pre-ordered it in uh November of
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2022 so Marquez is sitting here with a $200,000 Roadster he's been waiting seven years for he's like oh first time can relate wait s years can relate
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2017 why did it take so long well it's still that why yeah you're acting like oh the Tesla roster the Tesla rooster I
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thought you're talking about your Porsche I was like you waited the seven years yeah people pre-ordered and put
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down a lot of money for the Roadster no that that makes sense no I'm totally getting Elon right now um yeah uh but uh
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one of my eons is never happening I've been able to put that dream to rest Kerbal I think that closure is nice
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though it wasn't luckily I never pre-ordered it so I guess I'm not out of money but I'm out of a dream anyway that's my my rant it's
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low energy rant but disappointing it's a good first headline still coping ghost Sixers ghost Sixers another dead dream
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hey hey which which will come first yeah Brandon Ingram can still save us I'm GNA hold up a hat all right and just remember you have to think of something you hate I'm thinking I'm have
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it next to me to remind me to think about something to hate I got Ellis rant is that the rant did you just do it how
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did you guys get the those are supposed to come up randomly throughout the episode you got them one and two yep was that your rant that was I was trying to
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think if I had a second one but I'm I'm feeling really chill lately I don't know everything's pretty good other than my missing synthesizer in video game okay
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so just grab another one this happened already okay D I'm repicking yeah re reelect your draft pick okay I iOS icon 10 upgraded there
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should have a question mark on it because it's a little dicey on how upgraded is okay um did you see this
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yeah fundamentally what happened is IOS 18 got announced you you guys all saw that and then we saw that there's this
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feature where you can tint all the icons on your home screen the same color to kind of matchy matchy and like you have
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a wallpaper that kind of looks cool with it and that's your customization happening and then people started playing with it after the keynote and
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many of the tinted icons look horrible they had legibility issues they had like weird color tints that didn't look right or they would like blend together just looked horrible I think the issue is is
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that like when everything they showed were that are super simple like iMessage is just two colors in a bubble right but then you get things like Maps which has a bunch of different colors a bunch of
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different lines but something that still needs to be legible and when you pick a color like green it just kind of makes
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it a bunch of different shades of green and mostly aims lighter and the contrast is like very hard to tell the difference
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between things yeah so iOS beta 2 iOS 18 beta 2 just came out mhm and people are
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testing it and now we're seeing screenshots of some updates to some of these apps that looked horrible before a
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little better contrast a little better looking with the same tint yeah upgrade sure does it look good now at this point I don't think I can say that yet I think
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it looks better and I think it's on the right direction I think my hot take is the only acceptable tint is just
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monochrome meaning black and white I like some of the tint colors you seen a good-looking tint color I haven't seen a goodl looking tint color yet I loved the tennis ball one that they showed on
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stage was the tennis ball one the they showed it on stage so it was all really good ones but it was I think Craig showed it off it was like his dog with a
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bunch of tennis balls and then all the icons were like that tennis ball highlighter yellow color but I think I
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really just like crappy colors like that um this is not what decorating is decorating it's just like even in even in this room okay where we have an unbelievably limited color palette in
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this room right there are still five colors there's white black three Grays and red which I think is six what the
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heck you want more colors is what you're saying this is dumb I think these are just like I think you should be able to do whatever you want to your home screen I think you should be able to color however you want
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you should make the battery whatever text whatever color you want this is like the worst thing they could have
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given us to customize our phones it really is weird like I on a lot of Android phones you can change everything
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about your home screen and not just your home screen you know the icons at the top of the phone you can change which ones show up when you can choose if your
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battery is a circle or a bar or a bar with the text in it or the text next to it you can change where the time goes
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you can change if it shows 5G and the VTE text or just the 5G bars like you can change everything and then on the
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iPhone it's like all right you can turn them all one color if you really want to okay so let's get the record straight
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here the last time we talked about this some people were like upset that we were mad about customization we're not mad about customization we're mad about how
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little customization they gave in the giving customization yeah it's like faux customization it's yeah it's if you
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lived in a house that had no kitchen and you begged your landlord for a kitchen for years for years and he gave you entire new houses to live in but none of them had a kitchen and then one day he's
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like hey I bought you an Easy Bake Oven you'd be pissed as hell I you talking about how it's just like colors but they're all it's just one color different ones you both missed this last
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week but uh David had this like blue Surface Pro and he was like Andrew matches your hat and they were just the most opposite colors of blue ever and all it was was just that they were blue
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and there were so many comments that are just like this is the epitome of like men thinking colors match just like they
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are both blue I've seen I think my ratio of good home screens I've seen to bad home screens with iOS 18 is like 5 to
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one bad to one but it's mostly because you want to make your home screen look better and you don't feel like you're getting the adequate tools to making
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your home screen I think I can make a good-looking home screen or I can make an extremely limited number of good-looking home screens where on
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Android I can make a wide variety of good-looking home screens okay if that makes sense the way David put it cuz we
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were texting after the episode two weeks ago about this and he was just saying that Apple just implemented it poorly
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and he thinks people don't realize how poorly they they we're excited that it's custom iation but we would be way more excited if it was better implemented
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customization I think if you work at Apple they're the balance they're trying to strike is it has to also be easy to
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use and if you ask a regular person who's not really into customization to do what we've been doing for years on
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Android phones they wouldn't really enjoy it or figure it out quickly or even want to do that so Apple's giving
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people extremely easy to use tools it's like two button presses and a slider away and you just slide to the color you
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like that's good UI that's good design it just this is supposed to be customization here so that's like a very hard design challenge is to give people the ability to go nuts without giving
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them all the tools to completely break and ruin everything or get lost and confused so it's it's hard it's a hard
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UI CH thing to do okay on the bright side I think people are going to love it uh they're GNA play with it a lot and
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then a week later they'll forget it exists yeah but then you'll grab your a head phone uh headphones you'll grab
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your aunt's iPhone in like 3 months and it'll still be that same shade of purple that she did way back when and she's
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just going to be does it auto update when you change the uh I guess we've no one's had it for that long because it's
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still just the beta but like if you change if you set it to a color of what your background is and you change your
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background does it auto update or when your uncle or Aunt change it to Green to match this like landscape background but then change that background to a picture of their it'll stay that green okay yeah
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that's what we're going to see want to say I'm I'm willing to die on this hill of my opinions but I also recognize that
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I'm clearly wrong about this like the amount of pain people put themselves through with the shortcuts to customize
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their icons and clearly still felt like it was worth it like clearly this matters to people so I'm not going to be
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like you're dumb if you like this cuz again clearly I'm in the minority here but yeah I do not think this is a cool
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we are in the old man yells at Cloud stage for this and embracing it yeah yeah yeah exactly I'm on an Android so I
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don't give a sh yeah yeah here's one last thing to think about how many what fraction of iPhone users do you think
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were using the Siri shortcut hack to customize their icons versus what fraction of iPhone users will change the color on their home screen now that it's easy you're you're saying more people
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are going to change the color of the yeah a th% I think there's there's a tiny fraction of a percent of people who
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were like I need to change the icon for my weather app to match my perfect setup and would be willing to do this stupid
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series shortcuts hack to do it and they heard that and they were like all right customization seems to be something that
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some people want and then they gave people this and a few people are going to use it in five years maybe it'll be
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fully customizable I doubt it it's Apple I doubt it but to tack on the iOS 18 beta
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2 MH for select carriers RCS is officially enabled and there are some people using iMessage and sending RCS messages and I'm supposed to be happy
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about that so I mean I'll be happy about it when just like it makes it easier for when
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somebody with an iPhone sends me a video and thinks I'm seeing the full quality of it because that would be nice maybe
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I'll see a better quality of it I think I saw somebody had like green bubbles but uh typing indicators was working and
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I was like oh nice something better it I honestly think it'll be better for us as
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Android users and of course people on iPhone won't know the difference at all yeah and then going get a 12 x 12 PNG of
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a a generated emoj I'll take it if I can actually tell what the video my like aunt is sending me finally Fair cool next headline you pick or no I you just pick
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okay new headline and a hat one more than a break okay oh this one reads surface Duo 3 question mark mm did you see this so did see this
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uh little refresher if you don't know surface Duo 2 squel to the surface Duo 1 first surface Duo was one of the most iconic phones of Our Generation and by iconic I
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mean um unique in a way this is going to be our most engaged podcast episode ever I think uh the surface Duo was a smart oh
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I can't say smartphone right they didn't call it a phone M they said it was a device it was a Microsoft device that
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had two screens and it was very thin and beautiful and worked very poorly I don't
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think that's what they said that's what it was and the the one sequel they got to was surface do2 which had some improvements that had a slightly better camera they made some
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changes to the hardware a little bit of a curve at the inside screen but it didn't really change all that much and it flopped and it's dead and it's gone
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and now there's an article showing that there were some filed patents by Microsoft that show a design for a
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folding phone that could have potentially been the duo 3 if it ever came out and it looks similar again
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there's a full-size rectangle on the back for a larger camera there's like a little magnetic kickstand accessory yeah
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well I think it's supposed to be a folding screen this time is what the article seem to portray to it's it is
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much different it looked like it conformed to the folding phone it's not a Duo I true the it's also really funny
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that it's called The Duo 3 that's the best it's called the do 3 and it has one screen I that's perfect scen Duo 3 I
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think it has a screen on the front though now whoa we have are all folding phones of duo we have strayed so far
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from the light of God and by the Light Of God I mean the original purpose of the Microsoft Duo I want to now double
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check that because I'm pretty sure it said folding screen in this it says the cover screen and the inside foldable
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screen were edge to edge so that's at least in this patent this isn't necessarily ever going to be a real product it's just a patent and we'll
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never know if what we're saying is real or fake so exactly speculate baby I mean there were look people had all kinds of
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feelings about the surface Duo I think inherently it was flawed for a couple reasons one probably being the aspect
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ratios of the screens and the sizes of it in general one probably being that it was an Android device and that had its
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own set of challenges with making a two-screen Android device with like blending and bezels and pixels and all
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challenges um one being how much did it retail for surface wasn't it like it was
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at least $1,300 I thought it was closer to 15 it was 13.99 to start so that being another challenge and then another
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just being it was buggy and and didn't work very well and some people did make it work I did see believe me I saw the
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comments people who made it work for their lives and they were like yes the surface Duo is exactly when I need in my
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workflow I prop it up I use the side screen thing I flip it over I use it on single screen who cares that the bezels
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are huge and the aspect ratio is incredibly weird I love this thing that group of people did exist and I'm sure
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they would have loved to have seen a surface do3 well I would argue based on how it seems like they conform to the
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regular uh like folding screen form factors those people probably wouldn't love this because the things they liked
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were the 360 hinge so they could prop it up in different ways the two separate screens being able so it looks like by
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this from the patent images is we have a completely fold phone that opens up to flat but as far as I can tell does not
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go past 180° it has a screen on the front with a whole punch cutout it has triple camera away in the back kind of
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in the shape of a play button like the iPhone but also with a huge camera bump like the mi11 ultra which everyone loved
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um and then it has this I cannot tell if this is on magnets or rails but it has this almost credit card shaped bump on the back that looks like it pops out to be a kickstand but then
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when it opens up to full it slides over on a set of rails and then kickstands out so you have the that is neat that's kind of cool I think that's really cool that's worth a patent it is worth a
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patent so so it would have been like a thinner Galaxy Z fold with a cool sliding back plate accessory yeah this would be really sick for like setting up
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at your desk as similar to like Apple's um what's the landscape mode thing standby mode standby mode like if this had a standby mode at desk in this configuration with my calendar and stuff
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on it and was connected to Windows somehow and this is how they get you and this well they're not getting me surface
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product every time a surface Duo thing gets announced we all go oh man that's actually that's kind of cool in it and then it I'm allowed to say it now
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because I will never be held accountable for what I say for this thing um but yeah I don't know it's interesting I
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would have loved I wish I wish there's a prototype out here I want to see what this thing on the back is is it looks like it's it's on a rail system right
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yeah it does which I think is fine that's cool it means you never lose it yeah can you put a case on this now
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though if it's like permanently attached you'd need some crazy bespoke case which I'm sure Microsoft would make because
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they made them for the duo yeah honestly it doesn't look that crazy I'd kind of be into it yeah it's way more normal
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quote unquote but it's just a patent now that's all it is sad story looks like they still in that first image of the
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article they still have a lot of these magnets that make it look like closes which was super satisfying on the surface Duo um it looks very thin and
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the flat edges which was like the best part about the surface Duo um but the note 360 hinge feels so much like they
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straight away from what the original thing was which was probably the route they needed to take because that wasn't
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working very well yeah shout out to the hinge designers of the original surface Duos that was a good one uh but we
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should take a break we got a couple more headlines to go through and talk about and also I still need to find I need to
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be mad at so I'm going to think about that too cool but of course before we take that break let's do some
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[Music] trivia I forgot is this yeah so in case you missed the bonus episode earlier this week it's happening we had James Carter the host of pod quiz who just
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wrapped up his 1,000th episode on I interviewed him he was great and since he is the trivia Master he was kind enough to create two Tech trivia questions to play on our normal episode
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this week not only that since David's missing and Ellis's our trivia Master Ellis will be answering for David this week um because one thing that James said in the interview was as someone who
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loves to create trivia questions he finds himself not very good at answering trivia questions at an actual trivia
00:28:50
thing so we're semi gonna put Ellis to that test as well um and David if he gets no points you have Ellis to blame perfect I love that do my points go to
00:29:01
David yeah they do you're David you win any I want numbers on the board baby we'll also give you numbers on the board we'll we'll match her I will match I will match whatever points that you earn
00:29:12
for David for yourself all right sweet all right first question hi there I'm James from the podquiz podcast and I've got a couple of questions for you um
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these are technology questions but they also have um historical elements to them
00:29:30
oh no so the first one question one in 1947 nope Harvard computer scientists claimed to have discovered the first computer bug when they removed a creature from a relay in the Harvard
00:29:45
Mark I computer that had caused it to fail I know the answer what kind of creature was
00:29:52
it God you guys don't know I don't it's funny cuz when I heard this I knew Ellis
00:29:58
would know the answer I'm sure Ellis knows this answer I think this might be along the same lines of why dead mouse
00:30:04
is called Dead Mouse I was exactly what I was thinking about as well but cool that was a great question yeah if you if
00:30:10
you haven't heard the bonus episode go back and listen to it I thought it was pretty swell but do you feel like you're
00:30:15
in the car right now a little bit I'm so happy that his voice is on our podcast that's pretty fun yeah all right answers
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AI all right welcome back we've got a headline sorry we've got a hat I'm just going to keep it going we've got a hat
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you got headlines in it we I've got headlines in the I'm going to start no I'm just going to pick too late just
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pick the headline next headline in a hat all right cmf newly leak all right this is a teaser teaser yeah I I'm so used to calling them leaks
00:32:03
then I forget that cmf is just straight up the ones teasing these which um last week you missed so I'd like to get your
00:32:09
thoughts on that first but cmf teased a knob some sort of rotary dial on their phone yeah thoughts on that hu this could go one of three ways
00:32:23
okay so I'm looking at this leak this this this teaser render this is the the dial one of the cmf phone with a
00:32:30
little flathead screwdriver going in and unscrewing something from the back of a phone the new one yeah yeah this new one
00:32:37
uh cmf being like the ultra budget brand from nothing MH this could either one be
00:32:44
a throwback feature where you can actually open up the back of the phone and there's this Flathead screw that
00:32:51
holds the back in place and you open it up and then everyone goes nuts cuz we went back in time holy smokes replaceable batteries
00:32:58
two mhm uh this unscrews and does very little to like actually get into the back of the phone and you can't actually do anything but you can like look in the inside or something okay or three the screw comes
00:33:13
out and nothing happens and it's purely decorative screw I hate to admit that I would still like that I want the replaceable battery that would be the best yeah I think it would be cool if as
00:33:25
a budget thing they were like okay maybe our battery life's not that great but you can add on batteries and just have
00:33:33
replaceable batteries that's one way to be like okay we're sacrificing battery life on this but later on down the line
00:33:40
you can buy a new battery and maybe have a backup one um I want to first off say
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what so did you see the the dial or the knob leak from like a week ago um hold on let's bring that up I want to see what you think about that okay so this was the leak last week that David and I talked about this is the like wheel knob
00:34:01
dial whatever you want to call it on the corner corner we don't know which corner so take your guess on which corner you
00:34:07
think that is okay top left that I think that's what I was leaning towards okay it says introducing cmf phone one so they're going to make a phone Wonderful by Design leveraging nothing's
00:34:19
Innovation and meticulous attention to design it serves as a wonderful entry point into the entire product ecosystem
00:34:26
and uh it's this picture of a dial I feel like it could be well I have some ideas off the it could be like a volume dial but it's customizable to do other things in certain apps which would be neat that would be awesome um I don't
00:34:41
think it does anything too crazy like open the phone no no yeah what are your thoughts of it so I was wondering
00:34:48
putting something like this on something that's already going to be pretty budget it's it's strange seeing
00:34:54
sacrifices of things but also adding something that's never been done to a are we going to see bigger sacrifices on
00:34:59
things or yeah I don't know how expensive this particular thing is I feel like we're going to see this and
00:35:05
it's going to be a kind of a cool thing and then we're going to want a more premium version of it and that gives them an excuse to sell a higher end or
00:35:10
more expensive version on a nothing phone maybe someday in the future who knows uh but I I also think we kind of
00:35:17
always ask for trying something new in smartphones and we've seen so many phones that are the same that look the same and I think this being a little
00:35:23
different and maybe actually functional is pretty cool I do too I think this and the screw even if like you said the
00:35:30
screw does almost nothing even if it just means I'm going to fidget around with my phone now at my desk I'm still
00:35:36
excited for it it could also be like a mounting Point like in a camera too cuz you take it out and there's threads in there now true something else or you
00:35:42
could put a bracket underneath like I that's what I assumed it was was like for for mounting accessories mounting
00:35:48
something out of that even if it's just like a lanyard ring or something like that exactly pistol grip the pistol grip
00:35:55
under there I my main takea away from this also the first tweet said Community update on July 8th and now this latest tweet says coming July 8th I still don't know if it's going to be like launched
00:36:07
on that date if we're just going to get the announcement for it Community update seems more like a post versus like an
00:36:13
event right yeah they seem like a unveiling type of company yeah we're going to unveil it on this date well so
00:36:19
I want to say these teasers I think cmf teases things way better than nothing does cmf is like beautiful render interesting aspect of a phone look it up
00:36:30
at it up close working and then nothing is like here's a bug and that's here's a
00:36:36
highres ladybug yeah like that's fair I think cmf is doing is doing nothing's job better than nothing it's also confusing that they call it the phone one when the nothing phone one is already yeah so it's going to be I guess
00:36:47
this will be the cmf phone one I've reviewed one cmf product so far it was just the watch the watch was 69 bucks is
00:36:54
that what it was I think it was I think yeah so it I mean at this price like Ultra budget it really doesn't have a ton of margin like literal margin to
00:37:05
experiment with new hardware stuff M so I wonder if you make a phone number one what price point do you actually aim for like the nothing phone was only 4 400 bucks so to really differentiate as a
00:37:18
cmf phone how cheap is it going to be and then number two what can you actually do in a phone that cheap that
00:37:24
hasn't been done on every other $150 phone or whatever not but a screw that may be it we'll see yeah we'll see what do you think if you had to guess price I if it has to be the budget version of
00:37:36
nothing I think it can't be higher than 250 I'm going to go with my uh my best prediction of the future is always from the past so if the nothing if the cmf watch was 70 bucks and then the nothing
00:37:50
there is no nothing watch but like a base man a nothing look really good a base Smartwatch is what 150 bucks let's
00:37:57
say so half the price so this this has got to be like $175 phone yeah yeah do you think they do the like every I feel like almost every phone we've seen that cheap is cheap for an exclusive amount
00:38:12
of time so they can call it that cheap and then goes up to like 2 220 exactly I could see cmf doing something like that
00:38:18
I could see that as well they're nothing with a mask on can I have like two minutes to redeem the Ellis rant we
00:38:25
skipped earlier sure let me give like two minutes oh I just pulled Ellis rant oh sweet wow sweet all right am I am I
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good some someone keeping time you're good all right sweet dude we don't need this many knobs okay
00:38:40
they're just we just we just don't need them okay and here here is why okay there are essentially like three kinds of knobs well there's a few different kinds but the the big difference is is a
00:38:51
knob can be endless meaning you can spin it all the way or it can be fixed it can have a beginning and an end point the
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beginning and the end point knobs which companies never use because they're cowards and are too busy to program
00:39:04
healthy takeover modes into their firmware which companies have done for a while now the code's out there just
00:39:10
don't want to do it those those knobs are great for controlling different parameters you know what I mean because you know a knob is at a position you
00:39:17
know the value of that thing mhm the endless knobs can also work really well when they're stepped when you feel a click and you know each increment cuz as soon as it's not clicked and it's
00:39:29
endless and you can scroll forever there's no attachment between your brain and the parameter you're controlling
00:39:34
you're just moving it up and down and for everyone in the office for everyone in the office who's like Alice I got I
00:39:41
got a knob on my keyboard that I use to control the volume guess what you use a Mac there's 16 volume steps even if
00:39:47
you're not feeling the knob clicked that's a stepped endless encoder get out of my face so build make your encoder
00:39:55
stepped don't shut up if you want a physical parameter control put a fader on your device we've known for years faders are superior to knobs yeah they take up a little bit more space shut up
00:40:08
my argument and final point if you are like I need a non stepped rotary encoder it's called a jog wheel we established this like 20 years ago that jog the
00:40:21
mouse that jog wheels are the superior endless rotary encoder it's why all video editors have one I'm done this is just stop it with the knobs wouldn't a
00:40:32
knob with a set amount of volume on a phone be the same stepping as a Macbook it's comp it's it's complicated because the Mac makes it really clear as
00:40:45
you go up like you can see each each of the 16 steps so if my volume slider went up and down as i r you're not if you're
00:40:52
not getting any feedback and the phone was trying to convince you that it was fake
00:40:58
like potentiometer status and smoothly grading the amp up with an actual resistor you would just get lost in the sauce you know what I mean I I think you know maybe like some of the old like
00:41:09
walkman's and CD players had no but they weren't endless they weren't endless they had yeah they'd
00:41:16
stop stop it with the knobs I have two I have two and they break the endless endless digital non-step Ruban are the first thing to break on every electronic over ever shut up stop it so I have two
00:41:30
other categories of knobs that I'm thinking of as you say this and I'm I think I agree with with both of them in
00:41:39
principle so the first one in my car there is a a stepped but finite knob for volume and it's it's hard on one side and hard on the other side and there's a little Dot and you can only go up or
00:41:53
down and it's notched and stepped and it's great sounds crispy I don't know if that's less likely to break or not I
00:42:00
don't remember I I guess we'll find out it doesn't matter it's enjoyable it's great no it's great it's Built Well it
00:42:06
clicks it's nice it's satisfying but the other one I feel very strongly about which is lenses oh
00:42:13
lenses if you've used a photo lens before they have infinitely scrolling like like what's it called the what is it what is it called I'm forgetting the name f you talking about the the ring
00:42:25
the focus focus ring infinitely scrolling Focus rings but internally there are mechanisms that stop so you
00:42:31
can keep scrolling the focus ring but internally they stop so you can't actually assign like a follow Focus to
00:42:38
the ring because you can just keep spinning the ring and it would be all out of whack but high quality cine
00:42:44
lenses are stopped so you can you can put a focus ring and a follow focus on this ring and it will actually stop and proving my point right now so I fully I
00:42:56
hard agree with it's the same with it's the same with volume if you can keep scrolling and the
00:43:01
volume's not going up anymore it's a meaningless physical connection to your device yeah shut up physical connection
00:43:08
is emotional I don't care about what it's actually doing I want to feel a click boy I think you would feel more
00:43:13
we're agreeing with each other that's what I'm saying it's the directness of it when you when you feel the hard stop
00:43:20
and it's the same the same amount every time ex yeah if you can keep spinning the knob and nothing is happening you're
00:43:26
not receiving any physical feedback that is a oneway conversation between you and your device I want to bring something up
00:43:32
but I don't want to send this off do it what is a a mouse scroll wheel infinite because although the second step of the MX Master non-step counting one where
00:43:45
I'm just on Reddit with infinite pages and I'm just or like a YouTube comments and I could just
00:43:51
go and it just loads all the pages for me is fantastic but I can also I immediately step out of that into the stepped version when I'm normally using whe and you specifically said that you
00:44:02
were using it with infinite Pages it's not there is an amount but it takes a very long time to get to that amount I would also argue specifically in the case of the mxm 3 when you're on
00:44:14
the free mode uh you can feel the inertia of the Flywheel spinning inside true so there
00:44:20
is physical feedback communicating the infiniteness of it it's the only thing I like I'm right about this that is the
00:44:27
best thing ever YouTube comments trying to find something and just sending I'm going to close I'm going to close it
00:44:32
with this ready I have an arua MIDI controller from 15 years ago this thing is old and it's budget Tech I think it
00:44:40
was like $90 when I bought it okay everything on that keyboard still works every single thing even the mag even like the touch strip something that is it all still works every single endless
00:44:54
rotary encoder on there has broken every single one it is the only part of that keyboard that has ceased working there's
00:45:01
like 30 of them on that keyboard and they all don't work and it's not like the controller for them failed and all
00:45:06
of a sudden they don't work they all are messed up in their own stupid jittery own way because it's a stupid stupid
00:45:14
component to put on anything a phone well isn't doesn't everyone think that the knob doesn't even do anything on this it's just for the lanyard say it did do something do you think it would be stopped or infinite it better be
00:45:25
stepped is probably infinite it can be INF rabbit the rabbit was infinite too yeah
00:45:32
it's going to be infinite no one wants to get compared to the actually actually honestly I might give the rabbit a pass
00:45:39
what of all wait hold on on no no no no no no I might give the rabbit a pass specifically on its knob it has the same
00:45:46
number of elements every time I don't know just that just feels right all right you just lost all the
00:45:53
credibility for your entire the rabbit okay rant over that one was tough all right hat shaking no more knobs hat
00:45:59
shaking I'm still trying to think of what to be mad about that a good rant though I feel like we need to go back and edit the like if you don't feel like
00:46:04
listening to this jump to time code all right pixel event we have ladies and gentlemen at
00:46:16
least a date for the next pixel event and that is let me just make sure I pulled it up cuz I tweeted it was it
00:46:22
August well that I feel like that's the funny part about it it is so much different than what we're used to that
00:46:27
you have to double check what the DAT I got the invite you're invited to an inperson made by Google event where
00:46:32
we'll showcase the best of Google AI Android software and the pixel portfolio devices August 13th um so now we know
00:46:39
when that's coming now we know also when Samsung unpacked is also happening where we get the new foldables and probably
00:46:45
the ring and probably something else so yeah devices they're everything's so much earlier I slowly Samsung used to be end of August now it's oh yeah mid July
00:46:58
right didn't the pixel used to be October yeah the last year's was October 4th huh it's so much different this is
00:47:05
now and that's not just like a step back this is a step back from a whole another release it used to be the release after
00:47:10
the iPhone release yeah now it's before the iPhone who I did not realize this was the pixel 9 event this whole time I
00:47:17
thought it was just the watch oh no this is the pixel 9 pixel portfolio devices I assume this is pixel 9 yeah here's my
00:47:23
Theory start of August is usually when we just see the whole phone already they're getting ahead of the they're
00:47:29
just like let's just do the event then you're all you all know what it is already it's been done for months they might as well just send it yeah yeah
00:47:35
instead of getting leaked for two straight months before it comes out that's a good idea yeah there there were some we've talked about leaks before um
00:47:42
I think the biggest kind of change to the pixel 9 that we're seeing is that the camera bump on the back isn't
00:47:48
rolling over onto the side rails like it used to I'm miss that I like if the renders are correct I kind of like it cuz it also looks like that it has flat edges as well so I like the flat edges
00:48:01
part mhm I thought that cuz this is what's happening if you just continue extending What's Happening Here it just
00:48:07
turns into a regular camera bump just like every other phone I thought what made the pixel the pixel was the visor I
00:48:13
think they did a good job at keeping the visor Vibe while also rounding the edges
00:48:19
of it to fitting this like pixel rounded edges Vibe lately or what that render looks like I think it's still very pixel and you would still pick it out as a pixel despite having a case on it you're
00:48:30
right I'm just hitting fast forward and I just continue to see it you know shrinking into just a regular old camera
00:48:36
B the crab Theory yep it's an evolution we're watching in front of our very eyes this is the first time it steps out of
00:48:42
the water okay it's still got the gills it's fine but it's it's going to be a tough couple years no this I think it'll be fine I think it'll be a goodlooking phone with nice hard side edges and I'll
00:48:53
love it and then yeah hopefully the software is good too pixel 3 watch pixel watch 3 what do we pixel
00:49:01
watch 3 yes s right assuming that you're saying I Haven I haven't seen anything about it
00:49:07
what was what's one thing you would like to see in the new pixel watch bigger size still round with like very curved
00:49:14
edges like it's been still yeah still love the form factor I I think they kept it one size for a reason but I would
00:49:20
like a larger size available for me I would like a bigger screen and a bigger battery and bigger everything and a
00:49:27
bigger watch what if same size but the screen just extended out to the curve better it is
00:49:35
already pretty good is it it's pretty good I mean they do a good job of like blending it cuz the glass is so curved
00:49:40
so it feels like it can't really get much further out what if they it got around the curve like the image itself
00:49:46
yeah like the screen I mean that'd be sick but I'd still want a bigger cuz I want a bigger battery I think the device
00:49:51
needs a bigger battery that's what I want I like the small sized I liked wearing it um it didn't feel like this
00:49:57
Garmin watch I love but it's gigantic yeah I'm wearing Ultra right now but the the battery was terrible on yeah I want
00:50:03
a two-day battery life pixel watch that'd be fire 2day battery should be standard on all smart watches like
00:50:10
legitimate 2day it's a good take it's a good take hot take all right I'm spinning the hat back towards you still brainstorming my rant I really don't how are
00:50:21
you new Motorola Razor oh yeah that came out this week we just got yeah it's announced uh well there's two actually right there's a new Razer and a razor plus razor plus being the 999 Flagship
00:50:36
foldable with a larger outside cover screen it's like a 4in outside cover screen now it's also 165 HZ ltpo which
00:50:45
is cool it a lot I found that when I used the Razer I I liked that it was a big outside screen but I I'm not a person who ever like stayed on the outside screen even though I know that
00:50:57
that's why it's supposed to be really good you're supposed to be able to just open it read a text swipe over clear a
00:51:02
few notifications check that one read the first few lines of an email and then put your phone away I just I just open
00:51:09
the phone I think that's why it's just like it's not a phone for you but that screen I seems like the reason why people like this phone like this phone they're giving you all the right reasons
00:51:20
to continue using it more customization 165 HZ ltpo it's corner to corner the whole thing is ipx8 water resistance
00:51:26
that's H uh and it's, bucks for this phone couple cool colors too the colors are really sweet what's cool is prices
00:51:33
didn't change between the two um and the regular version is now getting the 3.6 in screen that the old plus had because it used to be a 1.5 in screen I think on the front so now if you are getting the
00:51:45
cheaper version you can still have the benefits of the front screen while the plus still gets a couple of small
00:51:50
upgrades to the screen which are also really nice but these colors yeah are great so the cheaper razor the cheaper
00:51:58
razor is now $6.99 I think it's the same as last year yeah mhm and it gets that any bigger
00:52:03
screen that's cool yeah I like I was under like in my own personal head Cannon this whole time that we've been doing foldables I've been kind of thinking that one form factor was going to win out I don't know if that's true
00:52:14
anymore do you think we're just always going to have both form factors flip and fold the crumble phone as Ellis wants I
00:52:22
think the fold is beating the flip right now really in what in popularity or just
00:52:30
in evolution cuz I think Flip's more popular that's a really good question I see more about folding phones but that's probably because of the like space yeah where we the bubble that we are in yeah
00:52:43
but I you're probably right I bet the flip is probably more popular I think the flip makes more sense to Everyday
00:52:50
People but I've seen I still can't believe how many folds I see I played disc golf with someone who was keeping
00:52:55
squore on our card the other day and he had a Samsung fold and I was like huh interesting I just don't I see them so much all the time and I'm surprised they've gotten into hand so quickly it
00:53:06
does feel like they they are like uh crabbing into their own like several different crabs like they're sh they're all basically feeling similar to each other in flips and they're all feeling
00:53:19
similar to each other in folds yes that makes sense so yeah whoever whoever makes the thinnest most advanced fold everyone starts chasing that one and I feel like the the Z flip is the standard
00:53:31
for flips and they all kind of look more and more like each other there too could it get small thin enough to where it
00:53:38
starts like this it flips out to a regular size candy bar phone but then this is now the front screen and then it opens up like a book and now you have the bigger inner
00:53:50
screen that requires four screens four screens that's a lot of screens and also it' be pretty thick if it did that it's definitely in a prototype lab somewhere LG definitely has a prototype of that
00:54:02
somewhere TCL built that a few times already they're like how much thinner can we make this yeah no that's it's out
00:54:09
there it's a phone you can buy I think you have to be on Verizon again because you know it's Moto that's how they roll
00:54:14
uh but yeah shout out to the new the new Moto Raz we should take one more break we've got more headline in more hat and
00:54:22
we have more trivia to talk about okay next question from the Pod quiz God himself James
00:54:36
Carter and question two the arm processor is in everything these days I'm sure we've all got them in our phones in our pockets arm is an
00:54:48
acronym what does it stand for and what did it originally stand for it changed in around 19 190 oh you y'all are done bro this is so
00:55:01
what did it stand for and what did it originally stand for two points two points two points available I won't be
00:55:07
getting either I think David would have gotten the first part of I suspect he would
00:55:12
have gotten at least one point iect yeah but now that it's Ellis I know what one
00:55:18
of them is so maybe you'll get one point huh we'll do two separate points uh I'm not
00:55:24
going to get it do I have to tell you which which one is the old one and which one is the new one okay cool I'll call James thanks all right
00:55:32
well we'll we'll do some thinking yeah you guys better be thanking your lucky stars that I'm not answering trivia
00:55:37
questions every week cuz I'd be out here balling well you do make them okay yeah we'll think about it we'll be right back
00:55:49
[Music] all right welcome back to our final stage of headlines in a hat I said it right that time I'm proud of that okay
00:56:07
here we go this says Galaxy watch Ultra now this is a natural Evolution because Samsung does what Apple does
00:56:21
when it works well and that's not what that says that's not what this says but uh yeah I'm I'm wearing an Apple Watch Ultra and Samsung went wait you're saying we can charge $1,000 not that
00:56:34
they don't already do this but you can charge $1,000 for a watch if we just give it a ton more battery and features
00:56:40
and it's just the same thing as when we already make cool great they already had the pro they
00:56:47
already have they already have th Smartwatch but they need uh they need to just sort of they're so tempted by the
00:56:52
ultra thing I get it they have an Ultra phone already why not 47 mil you know it
00:56:58
does it does make more sense for them to call it the ultra versus the pro because that follows the phone naming scheme
00:57:04
yeah have you seen the leaks for this yet uh or the renders well so first of all the reason we know that there's it's
00:57:10
called the Galaxy watch Ultra and that it has LTE and is 47 mm is Samsung accidentally posted a support page post about it saying that and then took it down very quickly but of course we found
00:57:23
it not we found it uh I think 9 N what 91 mobile found it 91 mobiles found it yeah yeah yeah um but have you seen these renders because these were all over
00:57:35
Twitter the other day but I think you were out so you may have missed this but the design of this has got a lot of
00:57:41
people talking really why it looks fine you think it looks fine yeah people seem to have very polarizing opinions on this
00:57:49
do you want to describe it for our it's kind of like a like a squared off squir yeah it's a squirkle kind of like the APPA watch Ultra it's a squirkle with a circle though yes yeah okay that's
00:58:05
that's a good observation so the screen itself is a circle and has a circular bezel but then the the frame around it
00:58:10
is more of like a squared off Circle probably to just have more room inside for battery and things like that I I'm
00:58:18
fine with it that looks fine to me orange uh dial as well which is very Apple watch Ultra but also probably my
00:58:25
favorite part of that Ultra is the orange accent I've gone back and forth on liking this or disliking this
00:58:32
I I kind of just wish it was the squirkle shape without the circle on the inside yeah I would have liked more more screen coverage on the front but then
00:58:43
again I think all of Samsung SmartWatches are circles if I'm not mistaken so they're just keeping with
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that I like that yeah um yeah I don't I don't know I like it and I dislike it I've also been recently thinking of switching back to a Samsung watch mhm my
00:58:59
problem is I need more battery which maybe this will have I I feel like I love my garment watch I've been using
00:59:06
this for like a year and a half now it I I bought it because of all the health metrics and everything and I seem to not care about them as much but now I've gotten to the point where I need the notifications on my wrist and I
00:59:18
check the time so often I hate my phone being on vibrate or ringer so I need something buzzing me for calendar tasks
00:59:26
or text messages this is really bulky did you just say tasks yeah oh yeah I'll just let that slide but I'm proud of you tasks awes thank you that means a lot um
00:59:37
this feels bulky I think the Samsung watches look nicer the battery watch is a problem I've also thought about doing no watch because this watch tan is
00:59:46
getting terrible yeah it's hot out here yeah so I don't know I think I might try
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out the new Samsung watch whatever it comes out because I am using a Samsung phone now I did like my Galaxy watch before I think they're some of the
00:59:57
nicest looking ones I want to see this in person not versus a render and see what it looks like yeah but it is also
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just going to be big and bulky like my Garmin and I kind of want something smaller yeah I think David was saying he
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did not like the way this one looked and I kind of really do like it yeah same oh
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yeah so maybe it's not polarizing and David just gastl me into thinking that it is super polarizing it looks like a
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watch it does I mean it seems like it's only slightly bigger in display than the
01:00:26
current Max size watches you can get from Samsung but the biggest known benefit to more chassis size is just
01:00:33
here's some more room for battery yeah like it's just if that's what you're after that is what it probably will
01:00:39
offer but I guess TBD because it was just a leak and then disappeared well yeah this is a render so this wasn't even part of the leak so it might not even be what we're seeing yeah it is
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slightly bigger the Galaxy watch Pro is 45 mm so that will be a touch bigger and
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I'm assuming the 47 is the screen size not the squirkle size right yeah I just I think I I get why it's a little weird that it's a circle inside of a squirkle but it is like you said all we
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always say hey can our phones just be a little bit thicker so we can have some better battery life so if that means
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this has over two days of battery life which I still think is the minimum that I want I'll be really happy about it you'll get one and a half and you'll be thankful I will and I won't
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all right so yeah we'll see that very soon right if it comes out at unpacked then yes if it doesn't then maybe sometime later this year we'll see huh it could be at unpacked I hope we see it
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in July Weir well cool it's your turn to pick a headline and I have a hat there are headlines in it all right this isn't a headline this is just
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the ionic 6n we have at the office oh the 5n it's the 5n yeah ionic 5n yes you're right sorry oh man we have the 5n it's kind of sick but it's not like how did you
01:02:05
describe it to us yesterday okay I if the ionic 5n so I've talked about the ionic 5 we've made a video about it the ionic 5n is their
01:02:17
sportier uh version maybe even a track version of the ionic 5 makes some sacrifices it also straight up pretends to be gas car like and I don't know if
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you realize how far it goes to try to pretend to be a gas car but it is one of the most fun and funny car experiences ever cuz when you think about it okay
01:02:40
what are the advantages of an electric power train over a gas power train typically it's one gear maybe two gears
01:02:46
so you have this Relentless pull of instant torque and then just pulling you forward that's what all the most powerful fastest quickest electric cars have done the ionic 5n has a mode that
01:03:01
emulates a gas car a gas powertrain a seven-speed gearbox and literally has paddle shifters and an engine sound so you can pull through gears and it acts
01:03:15
like a gas car through all of the gears meaning it's slower at lower RPMs it builds torque at higher RPMs you can
01:03:23
Redline it which means you missed a shift and it will slow down and you'll feel the shifts as you're driving it
01:03:28
kicks you when you do a heavy shift you literally you feel like and it it inserts all of this with the control of the electric motor so yes it is slower
01:03:39
than it could be if it just drove like it normally could just flat out but it's the engagement it's the feel it's the
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sounds and boy are the sounds there are some serious sounds you know that this reminds me of my friend's dad when we
01:03:52
were kids used to pull up to like nice looking cars at stop lights with like a Dodge Caravan full of kids and he used to rev the engine and then he used to fake shift and like make noises with his
01:04:04
mouth oh my God and this sounds like the EV version of that basically I still do that you still it's uh it has a speaker
01:04:13
inside the cabin that is specifically over your shoulder so that it sounds like it's coming from where the exhaust
01:04:19
would be coming from and there's also a speaker outside of the cabin that you can turn on or off so that when you're
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driving when you're banging through gears you actually have people outside you hear what you're hearing I really
01:04:33
all true I really appreciate that you can turn it on inside the cabin and off outside the cabin so you can you can do
01:04:41
it I think you should have to make the commitment of if you're listening to it inside you have to pretend to play it
01:04:46
outside it's funny there are so many cars that like pump more sound into the cabin so that you can hear them like the
01:04:53
I8 BMW I8 it's kind of like a car but they pump so much sound into the cabin that you would think your car is super loud cuz you want to hear it but it's not that loud this is kind of the opposite it's like yeah I want people to
01:05:04
hear more than they actually have to let's just blast everything yeah uh there are three modes there are three modes the first one sounds I think the
01:05:15
most like a normal car it's got this low Grumble wait I think that's I believe that's mode two I think the first one
01:05:22
the top one the one with the Grumble you're talking about this one yeah I'm pretty sure that's number two I could be wrong about that wait let
01:05:34
me hear the first one the first one sounds like this oh okay that's the first one is the
01:05:39
one that has the shifts that sound like this okay okay yeah the the other one with the Grumble s sounds that sounds the most a regular car it's actually I think
01:05:53
they were telling me it's based on the Elantra n actually no I think the behavior is
01:05:58
based on the Elantra n not the sound the behavior the way it pulls through uh like a
01:06:04
7,750 RPM Red Line and has I think either a seven or eight speed gearbox I'm not going to get all this right off the top of my head but it behaves like the Elantra n which is kind of hilarious this this is an electric car
01:06:17
yeah this is how it sounds when you accelerate and when the the car shifts you you feel it it's like not and and I
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don't know if it's actual like haptics or if they're just using the speakers in the car but when you switch into that
01:06:31
mode and you begin to hear the low engine Rubble you feel the car vibrate like there's a V8 in there mhm it's it
01:06:37
just sounds like you're driving a Forza simulator a really that actually goes down the
01:06:43
street yeah it's fully electric and it fully commits to that sound the other two sounds however uh don't really sound like a normal gas car I'll let you hear
01:06:53
them kind of weird that's a little I I think you could get used to them but they sound more like a video game listen to these sh other one sounds like a video game Miles said at best the
01:07:12
the in mode one the sound of the gears shifting is the same sound you get if you hit a cyber truck with a
01:07:19
sledgehammer just slamming through gears sounds like like giant robots are attacking yeah
01:07:34
that's so aggressive it's so funny I think that one could fool me he has little burble when you let off yeah this
01:07:46
[Music] one also sorry everyone for the uh the shaking clearly the shock mount uh on our binaural mic is not good enough for these rocket launches I would love to
01:07:58
know in the comments for those of you who have made it this far who is this car for who is the ionic 5n an electric car
01:08:08
fully masquerading as a gas car what is the customer that goes I love banging through gears hearing the sounds feeling the forces and taking my car to a track
01:08:20
but it's got to be electric or is it I want an electric car but I want to take it to the track and also I want to feel all these things so why do you want an electric car I don't I don't know who the person is I feel
01:08:32
like taking it to a track is the place you get made fun of the most for doing having fake sounds coming out but also
01:08:39
it make a really funny video of just like showing up to track dat with it the car looks by the way awesome it looks
01:08:46
fantastic I love it it's got a good siiz back seat it's kind of like a fast hatch type of size it's also very similar to
01:08:52
the ev6 GT it's it's like 200 M range tops it's not the most practical car in the world but it is a fun car it looks it's really really fun I wish you should
01:09:05
be able to um Import in sound packs so you can replicate like a WRX or yo wait there's no way Hyundai is going to let you do that but maybe someone will find a way to uh bring in like forsa sounds
01:09:20
and W replicate some different different kinds of that would be really it's like
01:09:26
you're the impression person now do you know like the guy that like breathes into the can and does all the different
01:09:32
cars different engine sounds yeah yeah your car could do that for you that would be or you could do that guy's
01:09:38
sound what if you could use that guy's sounds in the cans as your car that car drive by and you just hear that guy's
01:09:45
voice as he drives down the street that would also be crazy I kind of love that idea I know they would never do it cuz
01:09:50
Hyundai doesn't have enough cars that sound like that and they wouldn't do another car but that I love that idea
01:09:56
wow okay that was uh the second is it my I think there's one left yeah my pull pull it final headline and a
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hat uh it says rivan and what we're referring to is a Volkswagen group investing was it5 billion in rivan which honestly isn't much news but it is good
01:10:21
news if you're a rivan fan because that means they get an injection to Capital if you're a rivian stockholder that
01:10:26
means they're more likely to be around longer if you have an R2 reservation you feel more confident that it will get to that point great Point R3 is that much more likely to eventually come around
01:10:38
all good news um yeah I do think it's a little interesting because we always talk about who who will win this race of software companies making a great
01:10:48
vehicle or Legacy car manufacturers making good software and now they are going to partner up with that architect
01:10:56
and use it on some future cars which they say in within the ne the second half of this decade so it sounds like
01:11:02
Volkswagen's going to get some help on the software side from rivan based on what they've learned because they've
01:11:08
made it this far and seem to be doing a pretty good job so this was not something I was fully expecting even
01:11:14
though rivan's gotten investments from like Ford I think they were supposed to build a Ford SUV at some point but that
01:11:20
never happened so it's great for rivan I think it's a it's good for Volkswagen as
01:11:25
well cuz now hopefully look like group owns so many car companies I don't know if you know like they they own Porsche Audi Lamborghini like across the board
01:11:36
and they make tons of different types of cars so I mean this just feels like another yet another feather in their cap
01:11:41
of like oh yeah yeah we're going to also make yeah rivian that's another thing we work with them on cool great I don't
01:11:47
know I I just I'll see what the you know announcements that are that come out of this and when they actually start making
01:11:52
new models that would be cool to see but yeah I just think it makes the ones that they've already announced that much more likely to eventually actually come out
01:11:59
which is great if you're a rivan fan this hopefully should be good as long as they're not uh stepping on any toes over our R but question about this because we were talking about this I think last
01:12:10
week with the with the Fisker news where let's say somewhere down the line rivan
01:12:16
doesn't make it and they are no longer a company what happens to the rivian like I want an R3 if I get an R3 eventually
01:12:23
when that comes out and then company goes Belly Up M what do I do with my car there's a couple things that change when a car company goes under the most obvious one is service Who services your
01:12:35
car um don't know you just drive it till something breaks and then you fix it yourself or your car is cooked that's what miles was saying though you can't really do that with like an e it's so much harder yeah you can't really go
01:12:47
under the hood like if something just breaks on the inside you're fine but if something like fundamentally has an issue with your
01:12:55
power Trin on an EV and that's that's the end if you can't service it so that's that is a concern but then
01:13:02
there's other things like software updates uh do they continue to get software updates or support or if they stop getting updates and there's some sort of an attack or something what
01:13:12
happens then I don't know there's also charging Network and this is a little simpler because they should all have the ability to with an adapter plug into any Tesla Supercharger but before that it
01:13:24
was even weirder because if you don't have access and rivan has those Chargers that are theoretically no longer maintained because they go belly up then where do you plug in only Electrify
01:13:36
America that's a bummer yeah it's uh it's not a good not a good look when the product maker disappears it's definitely tougher because like even with Tesla being the most popular EV right now if
01:13:48
you have to get your Tesla fixed at like a non- Tesla Service Center like a mechanic still parts are way more scarce compared to like Legacy manufacturers and not every mechanic is able to do it
01:14:02
so if you're something like a Fisker if you brought a Fisker into a mechanic right now they would be like yeah sorry
01:14:08
man I can't help you like nothing's going to happen here um even if you probably brought a Tesla into a lot of them they would be like I don't know if
01:14:14
I can do this and they're far more popular than anything else so yeah yeah it's a tough spot if a rivan went belly
01:14:20
up which I hope they never do you're in a bad spot I everyone with a Fisker right now is probably very worried that
01:14:27
and hopes nothing happens ticking clock on how long you can drive that thing yeah well I didn't find anything to get
01:14:35
mad about so I guess I'm mad about that there you go wow nice great job there it is I found something let's do trivia I got a board this time oh
01:14:49
yeah all right first question I'm just going to play James again so the first one one question one in
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1947 Harvard computer scientists claimed to have discovered the first computer bug when they removed a creature from a relay in the Harvard Mark 2 computer
01:15:09
that had caused it to fail what kind of creature was [Music] it Andrew staring blankly into
01:15:22
space I don't know how to draw it I was going and draw it I drew one I don't think it's accurate though yeah I am sitting in David's seat so it would be Canon for me to do a terrible material
01:15:35
you have to write in cursive tilt brush cursive I don't think David does either material theme editor I get to flip a
01:15:41
board this is so crazy oo flip him and read what do you guys got oh so Ellis what you saying I said fly
01:15:50
Andrew roach Marquez roach okay and the answer and um I asked what creature was extracted from the Harvard Mark 2 computer making it the first real computer bug and that was a moth oh none
01:16:08
of you got it it was a moth makes so confident I was trying to think of what bug would be in a house and a moth makes so much more sense it was a moth I I had to assume Harvard people wouldn't have
01:16:20
Roaches for some reason no they do Boston yes they have roaches damn right fired watch me get these next two wrong too and all my confidence go up the window oh yeah I forgot you said you
01:16:31
definitely knew the answer to that I thought he would know that one that's like fairly popular computer trivia I
01:16:36
was ballparking it yeah you're close you're yeah moth fly b b b okay now let me find real
01:16:45
quick on wait I'm not supposed to say that sorry I'm so used to being where you are all right and now the second
01:16:52
question the um Pro is in everything these days I'm sure we've all got them in our phones in our pockets arm is an
01:17:02
acronym what does it stand for and what did it originally stand for it changed in around 1990 again two points up for her house
01:17:14
the acronym is arm I just want to confirm that right yes okay G bulletin can't even make up a fun one and I have to make up two
01:17:25
message center works with Nest API Hangouts on air I did that YouTube gaming I didang I
01:17:37
only have one I did Hangouts on air wow all right the seat got to you you were very confident until you had to get into the hot seat and I I knew I had one but I didn't know it ever changed dang all
01:17:49
right flip him and read what do you got Mar you go first gobbl uh wrote actual real messages okay which is wrong and then I wrote arm instruction manual
01:18:01
which is also wrong I I could use an arm Andrew right hold on instruction is an i with the RS in the middle yes it's exactly right yeah I like that what I did I wrote architect
01:18:14
random memory okay sure I put Advanced risk machine ooh risk with a c risk with a c what does that stand for it's another ACR it stands for reduced instruction set chip there's an acronym
01:18:28
inside an acronym damn skippy Jesus and you that this has been a trivia question
01:18:33
before too what has what does risk stand for oh oh well wouldn't have gotten that
01:18:41
either all right the answer to the second question and for number two I asked what the arm acronym was these days it is the advanced risk
01:18:53
machine let's go but the arm processor was originally developed by a British computer company called Acorn computers and it was originally the acorn risk
01:19:04
machine oh fun fact cool interesting branding so David gets one more Point Ellis on the board with a point yeah you're you're for David all
01:19:16
right sorry I didn't get you three David so the score after this is Marquez still
01:19:21
with 11 dang Andrew with 12 12 wow I wanted that Mo you were tied with David I want last week questions David now has 13 and Ellis on
01:19:33
the board with one let's go carry I'm I'm literally carrying the one also also James was like it's you know if you write trivia questions you can't answer them I guess I only got a third of them
01:19:46
right so maybe that is kind of true greater than zero greater than zero my friend yeah well that concludes this
01:19:54
episode EP of headlines in a hat it was a good hat it was good headlines good trivia thank you James yeah thank you James shout out to that whole episode if you go watch it it's another good one another Banger bonus episode but we'll
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be back with the regular scheduled programming and of course that means we'll be back next week so until then catch you later
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