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A View From Above: Richard Ill, Triumph Group

April 06, 2010 / 08:59

This episode discusses Triumph Group's operations, military and commercial aircraft sectors, and the impact of defense budgets on business.

Guest speaker explains Triumph Group's structure, with 42 companies and 54 locations, focusing on aircraft components and assemblies. They highlight the significant backlog in commercial aircraft orders, particularly from Boeing and Airbus.

The conversation touches on the effects of decreased passenger and cargo miles on new aircraft orders, as well as delays in the production of the 787 Dreamliner.

Military contracts are also discussed, with a focus on the C-17 aircraft and the V-22 rotorcraft, which have seen increased demand due to military operations.

Lastly, the episode covers Triumph Group's international operations, including plants in Mexico and Thailand, and the challenges of maintaining competitive pricing while ensuring quality.

TL;DR

Triumph Group discusses aircraft manufacturing, military contracts, and international operations amid changing market conditions.

Episode

8:59
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thank you
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a Triumph group is a group of 42
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companies and 54 locations around the
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world
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predominantly in the U.S that designs
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manufacturers and repairs and overhauls
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components for aircraft
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and produces assemblies and
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sub-assemblies for the large aircraft
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manufacturers yeah but 43 percent of our
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business is military and about 45
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percent of our business is a commercial
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aircraft the balance is summon space and
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some in Business Jet and Regional Jet
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well right now it hasn't affected our
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business because we're working off a
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relatively large backlog in the
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commercial uh aircraft business on
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you know people uh like Boeing who had
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strong backlog in the 737 New Generation
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aircraft
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uh we do business as well with Airbus
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Etc Boeing is by far our largest
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customer by about 23 percent of our
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business that's both in the Military and
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Commercial end
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but uh I think that as the passenger
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miles and the cargo miles flown have
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decreased over the last uh
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year to year and a half new orders on
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aircraft uh have not been coming in as
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fast in addition to that the delay of
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the 787
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which is a very uh Dreamliner the
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futuristic type aircraft very light much
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more efficient
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I think will uh has affected our
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business because it's now a little
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delayed however
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I would suggest that halfway through
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2010 maybe toward early 2011 that will
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hold up the air the commercial end of
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the business because of the production
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of that aircraft
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a very much harder question to answer
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because the uncertainty of the defense
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budget and the production of certain
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aircrafts such as the C-17 as of a year
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ago the C-17
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was a plane that was disappearing or
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less than a year ago actually was
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disappearing from the you know military
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budget
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today India is talking about ordering 10
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more which is a Year's worth of C-17
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uh the rotocraft business has been
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excellent both on a repair and overhaul
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basis and on a new build
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many of our customers Boeing Sikorsky
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Bell
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uh the rotocraft business is excellent
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and in the war effort the V-22 which
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happens to be the largest chipset value
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in our business per aircraft has been
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doing very very well in production and
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Performing very well in Afghanistan and
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Iraq
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so I think the future is more of our
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problem based on the fact on what the
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defense budget will be and where they'll
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go with all these different aircraft
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over the last couple of years it hasn't
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affected us in a great respect because
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we've gained market share
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and uh
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when we went public for example in 1993
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in 1996
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a military business was four percent of
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our business now it's 43 as I said
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before so our military has strengthened
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immensely so uh really hasn't affected
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us too much in the last year or so
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they they do and that gives us an
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opportunity to repair an overhaul our
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primary business and the repair and
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overhaul is third-party components
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auxiliary power units constant speed
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drives things of that nature plus some
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of the products that we produce
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ourselves actuation equipment hydraulic
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assemblies and the like
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and that gives us the opportunity to
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repair and overhaul them the
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rotocraft on the other hand
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um
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that becomes more of an engine repair
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and overhaul which we that's the only
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product we don't we don't repair an
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overhaul main engine components
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and the
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the business of repairing and
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overhauling helicopter parts and parts
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of helicopters is done
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on site in Afghanistan in Iraq
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uh we think that the build rate on a
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rotocraft will continue to grow because
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a lot of those helicopters
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uh won't come home if we come if we get
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out of Iraq and we get out of
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Afghanistan
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that equipment will stay there
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and we'll have an opportunity to replace
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that
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generally speaking the margins have a
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tendency uh when we're doing uh repair
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and overhaul on our own products uh by
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our own I mean our own proprietary
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designs that come back into our shop for
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repair and overall the margins have a
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tendency of being higher
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in one of our divisions where we do
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repair and overhaul of third-party
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components defined as we repair
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constant speed drives that are done by
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Sun strand
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or apus that are done by Honeywell
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since we have to buy parts from
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sunstrand and Honeywell our margins have
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a tendency of being lower in that
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business or it's on an overall basis or
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new equipment
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uh depending on what that equipment is
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because we have so many companies
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involved our new equipment in the long
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run is probably a little higher margins
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uh and the margins and the after a
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market business in our proprietary
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business is the probably the highest
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margin of all
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and the margins on the aftermarket where
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it's third-party components is the
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lowest of our margins
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uh on an overall basis it's really not
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that far apart when you put the
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aftermarket business and the OEM
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business that we have
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based on the Dynamics that I just
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described you know
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first of all about 25 percent of our
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businesses
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foreign business that includes business
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we do with Bombardier in Canada we have
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two plants in Mexico
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one we acquired which manufactures
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acoustical and thermal blankets for
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aircraft
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and another were just building
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just north of Mexico City
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to do first operation Machining
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and first operation efforts for our own
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companies
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simply on the basis of low-cost labor
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I know
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uh the pressure is always on to produce
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lower cost
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but same technological advantage and
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same quality
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and the battle becomes when we do that
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with our customers
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customers say to us well you built a
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place in Mexico for low cost later that
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means you can drop your price
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and our answer to that is you didn't you
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didn't invest the 25 million dollars we
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did
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so sometimes it goes over well sometimes
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it doesn't but uh but we're operating in
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Mexico we built a plant in Thailand
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specifically to service the Asian market
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on the repair and overhaul Market of
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nacelle's thrust reversers and apus
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and we have acquired one to five
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companies in Europe
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all in Western Europe
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we have one in Eastern Europe
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which again is a low cost uh
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production area
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but primarily we're in the U.S all but
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those locations I just mentioned are in
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the U.S

Episode Highlights

Episode Quotes

  • Thank you.
    A View From Above: Richard Ill, Triumph Group

Key Moments

  • Triumph Group Overview00:19
  • Future Uncertainty02:26
  • Rotocraft Success02:58
  • Military Business Growth03:56
  • International Operations07:01

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