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A View from Above: Henry Hubschman, president and CEO, GE Commercial Aviation Services

May 01, 2009 / 11:30

This episode covers commercial aviation financing, leasing, and industry challenges with GE Capital Aviation Services. Key topics include fuel pricing, aircraft demand, and global operations.

The discussion features insights on the impact of rising fuel prices on airlines, with a focus on how it changed operational strategies. The speaker highlights that fuel costs rose from 10-12 percent to over 40-45 percent, forcing airlines to adapt.

Additionally, the episode addresses the imbalance between passenger demand and aircraft supply, which affects lease rentals and aircraft values. The speaker explains how this situation has led to a strain on airlines and manufacturers.

Operational strategies during downturns are discussed, including proactive management of leases and aircraft oversight. The speaker emphasizes the importance of communication across global teams and the challenges faced in different regions.

Finally, the episode touches on the competitive landscape of the aviation financing industry, highlighting GE's unique position in offering both financing and leasing services, and the need for improvements in air traffic control.

TL;DR

GE Capital Aviation Services discusses aviation financing challenges, fuel price impacts, and global operational strategies in the commercial aviation industry.

Episode

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ge commercial aviation services is the
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commercial aviation financing and
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leasing
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business of g within g capital um
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it was essentially put together in 1993
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or 4
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through a merger of a small business ge
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hat and g's purchase
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during a downturn of a company called
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guinness pete which was the second
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largest
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aircraft leasing company
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we have approximately um
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350 people involved in our main business
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line and approximately 150
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who are involved in a spare parts
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business we have
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it's a it produces i think the largest
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net income per employee of any business
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in ge
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uh for the last two years net income has
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been roughly 1.2 billion dollars that's
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net income
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based on only i guess it's 500 people or
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350
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and we're engaged in all facets of
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commercial
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mainly aircraft but also engine
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financing and it can be equity it can be
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debt and so on
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the industry has been impact different
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ways depending on whether you're an
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airline
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a manufacturer or a financier such as we
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are the airlines have been impacted
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first and foremost in the period running
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up to
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last july july 08 by the enormous
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and dramatic rise in fuel pricing
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uh pricing doubled in a period of a few
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months
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essentially the entire industry model of
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operation had to change because this was
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an industry which was a high fixed cost
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industry and suddenly fuel which had
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been historically maybe 10
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12 percent rose to over 40 to 45 percent
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which necessitated a complete change in
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strategy
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for the airlines now
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the airlines themselves have have been
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benefited by the fact that fuel is
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dropped on the other hand
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demand passenger demand which is the
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ultimate driver
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is also dropping and most particularly
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premium traffic that's put a drain
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obviously on their cash balances and the
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like
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fundamentally the cause the cause of all
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this
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is an imbalance between passenger demand
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and the supply of aircraft
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because that dictates fares it dictates
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load factors
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and that specifically is the area
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that most of directly affects us the
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supply
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of aircraft and the demand for erica
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in the form of passenger demand and
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where
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supply is exceeding demand as you can
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imagine
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values fall lease rentals fall
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etc so for us
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for the airlines and for the
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manufacturers who are now
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facing deferrals and cancellations
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and the need to finance aircraft because
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financing is not generally available
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it puts an enormous strain on the
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industry
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gcass has been through
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as a company one of the other most
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significant
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downturns and that was the downturn
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precipitated by the
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tragedy at the world trade center our
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strategy
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in every downturn is very similar
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and that is uh we focus very
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operationally
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on the execution of leases
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and the
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management and oversight of the aircraft
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technical oversight and the like making
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sure that our
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accounts receivable do not get out of
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control
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often being very proactive and
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taking aircraft out almost immediately
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when there's a default where others
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usually will wait and see if there's
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there's some hope that an airline will
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survive
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and the other element which we've used
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successfully is that we'll use that time
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um to finance because the industry's
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sort of counter cyclical
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meaning when the industry is going well
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everyone wants metal
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and that was true from the third quarter
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2004
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to the end of 2007 one could not meet
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the industry demands from
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metal so our metal meaning our fifteen
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hundred
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aircraft were in great demand everyone
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had access to capital
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so they didn't need our financing since
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the first quarter of 08
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it's reversed no one is looking for a
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lot of metal
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and but everyone needs cash and that's
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where we have
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generally moved so that we try to deal
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with the counter cyclicality through the
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offering of various
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products metal or money
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management across a global organization
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can be challenging
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it's obviously been simplified because
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of
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the internet and access to electronic
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means of communication
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otherwise it will be almost impossible
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because
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this morning a half an hour ago i was on
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an email with our china team who was
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dealing with the default
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and they wanted my approval for
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something and if they had to
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send a letter in and whatever it
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wouldn't work
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but the biggest challenge i think is
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just making sure
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that communication first of all
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is consistent
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and clear throughout the organization
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one can be very surprised at how
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messages can
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can be garbled between connecticut where
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i'm headquartered
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and our team in stanford uh our team in
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dubai
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our team in singapore our team in russia
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our team in china number two i think
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it's very important
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and and it's proven to be true that we
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have to be mindful that the conditions
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that our team
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works under are not necessarily as easy
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as our conditions are here in the states
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it's not to say that there isn't access
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to internet but often the distances they
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have to travel
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my leader in singapore uh you know when
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he has to travel
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from singapore to australia new zealand
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up to japan
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we're talking about enormous travel time
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which puts a burden
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on him personally and on his team
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those are the main things but we have we
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have
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for about eight years had a very global
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mindset we have been pushing
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more and more into the developing world
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and the team has responded well because
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like most
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energized people they want the
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opportunity to succeed
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so as we've been allocating more
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aircraft to china
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to russia to india to brazil
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to malaysia okay that team has responded
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because
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they see a growth of the business in
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their area
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there is a significant difference both
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in the global markets and even
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domestically between
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gcass and our competitors including even
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the the really outstanding ones
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in two respects i would say we are the
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most global in terms of our penetration
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of offices we have
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more feet on the street closer to the
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airlines anyone i'm not aware of anyone
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who has
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two salesmen in russia i'm not aware
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anyone who has a team actually focused
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on
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africa specifically we have more people
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in china um
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and people's in latin america where
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they're constantly and our
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our view is that if you're going to
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service the customer you've got to be
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near the gun that's one
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i think the second and equally
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significant issue is that
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generally speaking our competitors fall
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into one of two categories
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they are either financiers of aircraft
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mostly banks
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who provide debt or they are operating
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less source such as
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ilsc which is in was still an aig
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subsidy or a cit
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or royal bank of scotland or whatever we
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are the only
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party in this field that we know of that
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is large in both areas we are both a
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financier
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meaning an airline has purchased an
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aircraft and is looking for financing
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we will provide either equity or debt
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or we and we buy speculatively from
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boeing and airbus and bombardier and
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embry air and then we look for customers
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we're the only ones who do that we're
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the only ones who provide spare engine
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engine leasing we're the only one who do
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part trade out
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so we have a much more comprehensive
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suite of
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products and services than we offer
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and historically because of that
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we've been able to do better
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during the various cycles because it's a
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very cyclical industry unfortunately
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well a challenge is to keep me awake at
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night i'm going to put aside my teenage
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boys for the moment
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they're the ones who keep me awake
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mostly
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are that um
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the length
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of this cycle one
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most cycles have come and gone
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in two or three years this one could be
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longer
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we simply don't know we don't know
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because we don't know when we're going
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to hit bottom
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and that's the question that everyone
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from our president
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to the leaders around the world does not
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know so
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and that could be a difference and the
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second thing that always keeps me awake
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although not right now
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is is there going to be some sort of
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technological breakthrough
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in the next generation of aircraft which
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will
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obsolete our existing fleet of over 40
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billion dollars of aircraft
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more quickly than was in our business
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plan
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and that is something
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that worries me um i think there are
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many things that concern me
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um you know i think that the governments
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particularly the u.s and
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western europe must do something to
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improve air traffic control
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and that would be an enormous benefit to
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the industry
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because the industry then could manage
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their aircraft more efficiently
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avoid costly uh fuel and
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reduce emissions and make flying
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actually a more hospitable thing
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for for the flying public for more
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Episode Highlights

  • The Impact of Fuel Prices
    Fuel prices have dramatically risen, forcing airlines to change their operational strategies.
    “Pricing doubled in a period of a few months.”
    @ 01m 47s
    May 01, 2009
  • Navigating Industry Downturns
    GCASS has faced significant downturns and focuses on operational execution during these times.
    “Our strategy in every downturn is very similar.”
    @ 03m 46s
    May 01, 2009
  • Global Market Penetration
    GCASS stands out for its extensive global presence and customer service approach.
    “We are the most global in terms of our penetration of offices.”
    @ 07m 49s
    May 01, 2009

Episode Quotes

  • This cycle could be longer than most.
    A View from Above: Henry Hubschman, president and CEO, GE Commercial Aviation Services
  • We simply don’t know when we’re going to hit bottom.
    A View from Above: Henry Hubschman, president and CEO, GE Commercial Aviation Services
  • Governments must improve air traffic control.
    A View from Above: Henry Hubschman, president and CEO, GE Commercial Aviation Services

Key Moments

  • Industry Challenges01:47
  • Operational Strategy03:46
  • Global Presence07:49

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