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A View From Above: Gerard DeMuro, General Dynamics

May 12, 2011 / 12:55

This episode covers strategic agility in the defense industry, featuring insights from the Executive Vice President of General Dynamics. Key topics include market competition, resource fluidity, and organizational alignment.

The guest discusses the importance of understanding market conditions and how historical cycles in defense spending have influenced corporate strategies. He shares examples from General Dynamics, illustrating both successful and unsuccessful applications of strategic agility.

He highlights the need for companies to adapt to structural and cyclical changes in the market, referencing historical events such as post-World War II drawdowns and the Cold War. The conversation emphasizes the lessons learned from these cycles.

The guest also mentions the role of innovation in maintaining a competitive edge, citing a company called Maya Vis, which focuses on simplifying complex information flow in military and commercial contexts.

Overall, the episode provides a detailed look at how General Dynamics has navigated various market conditions and the strategies employed to create shareholder value.

TL;DR

The episode discusses strategic agility in defense, featuring General Dynamics' market insights and historical cycles of success and failure.

Episode

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well I'm currently Executive Vice
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President of the Information Systems and
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Technology Group in General Dynamics uh
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it's one of four groups it's about $12
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billion in Revenue primarily uh selling
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defense uh and military equipment around
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the world world to uh not only us but
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International customers and about 10% of
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the business is
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commercial well the topic of the
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conference is strategic agility and what
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I intend to speak about is take uh the
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basic components of strategic agility
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which I think boil down to really three
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three concepts having a keen sense of
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one's Market competition the environment
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the trends Technologies uh and portfolio
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position couple that with having the
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fluidity of resources both financial and
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human capital to take action and then
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thirdly with organizational alignment so
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that whatever action you want to take uh
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or whatever uh management philosophies
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you have or are implemented fully at all
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echelons put them together and see how
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those have been applied uh over the last
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50 to 60 years in the defense industry
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and no surprise uh being a member of the
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industry for 30 plus plus years now
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that's what I've chosen secondly uh I
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will use some examples primarily from
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General Dynamics and try and illustrate
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in up cycles and down
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Cycles how those uh concepts of
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strategic agility have been used to
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success and some have not been so
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successful and maybe examine why uh
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we'll use some other examples of other
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corporations as well but in particular
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um we chose the last 60 years of the
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defense industry because it has some
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very defined Cycles uh at least three or
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four major upturns and downturns so I
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think it provides a good laboratory to
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examine corporate behavior and and what
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works and what
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doesn't first you see different players
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take a different position uh depending
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on whether or not they determine it's a
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structural change or it's simply a
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cyclical change and let me illustrate uh
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an example of both in the late 40s after
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World War II uh up until the time of uh
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World War II this nation pulled together
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an army and a force to protect its
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natural interest or project its uh
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forces around the world when it felt
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threatened or when it had in action uh
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in the Philippines wherever after that
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war basically that Arsenal was and the
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forces were uh drawn down and defense
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budget and defense spending went down
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tremendously this even occurred all the
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way way through World War II uh World
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War I rather where after World War I we
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geared up then there was a huge draw
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down in forces a reduction in spending
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and we went into kind of an isolationist
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policy post World War II with the Cold
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War Mutual
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deterrence uh Russia as the uh the other
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pending superpower uh there was a
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structural change and we now kept a
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standing defense industry later became
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uh referred to as the defense industrial
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complex some see that as a positive some
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see that as a negative it's not for us
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to examine that but it existed so
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there's a structural change now there's
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a new threshold in that Market at that
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point um electric boat which had been
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supplying submarines Patrol boats Marine
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Engines uh since maybe 1899 to the
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defense uh firm saw an opportunity to
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create additional value by expanding in
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that market because there was going to
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be a new threshold and so they grew the
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business and they expanded into other
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lines that was have application to that
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mission so there was an opportunity to
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create value and grow uh in the defense
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Market because there was a structural
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change there have been other Cycles post
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World War II there was less spending but
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it wasn't going to go down as far then
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there's an upcycle when we had the
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threat in Korea similarly Vietnam Bay of
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Pigs uh the Reagan buildup um and then
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more recently with Iraq and Afghanistan
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so some of these uh Cycles teach us uh
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definitive lessons some of them are as
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what happens in a down cycle well
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applying the Strategic agility if you
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don't have all three components it's
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difficult to be a success what do I mean
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by that um for instance in the uh in the
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late 50s with the down cycle of the 50s
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General Dynamics said well the Cycle's
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going down how do I continue to grow and
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build shareholder value they took their
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ability to build uh fighter aircraft and
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bombers and said we're going to go into
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the commercial business and build two
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commercial Jets originally it was the
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880 and then there was a version called
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the 990 well they had the money they
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certainly had the technological
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capability and they had alignment in the
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organization up and down about what they
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wanted to do about the strategy what
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they lacked was the first component a
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true
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sense of what the market conditions were
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over there and they're markedly
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different in the defense industry the
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way customers come to Market to buy
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products and service and the way you go
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to market to sell products and services
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are vastly different they misjudge that
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now was it a good idea poorly executed
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or was it doomed from the start because
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it didn't have the right marketing
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foundations I think probably more the
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latter than the former but there's two
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examples one where it was seen as a
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structural change an opportunity to make
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money one where there was a clearly
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defined cycle maybe not unlike where
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we're headed today and what seemed like
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a very reasonable approach we have the
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technology we have the the resources we
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got the corporate alignment seemed like
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a very reasonable approach it didn't
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work well and I think it was Norm
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Augustine that uh had the famous line
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about the uh the record of success of
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defense companies getting into the
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commercial space is almost unblemished
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or the record is almost unblemished by
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success something like that so there are
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lessons in both directions and that's
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really the essence of of the U the
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discussion we're going to have this
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afternoon that you need all three
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components to be successful
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well let's go back to your original
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question what kind of situation do we
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see ourselves in now
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inherently this industry uh provides one
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critical problem any business plan has
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to have a demand model and then
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everything is built off of that demand
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model history has shown that we're very
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good at seeing these Cycles after the
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fact very difficult to predict that that
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people like Saddam Hussein was going to
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invade Kuwait uh you may it's kind of
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like an earthquake what's happening in
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Egypt now you saw the tension building
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you know something's got to happen
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eventually but when how where and at
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what magnitude almost impossible to
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predict so that level of uncertainty in
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our industry um I think will continue
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for a while I think it's fair to say
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with the economic environment the
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political rhetoric we're clearly at an
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apex of spending in the longest runup
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that we've seen uh in my mind that does
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not mean that we are without opportunity
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as an industry uh to continue to have U
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create shareholder value uh you ask how
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I think we'll follow the traditional uh
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rules of making sure uh what a good
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cyclical does and it makes sure that it
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can execute on its backlog we'll do the
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right things to size the business
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appropriately shed excess capacity and
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assets but we will also look both
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organically
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and through deployment of capital
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Acquisitions as you say to grow the
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business we'll grow it in our core and
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we'll grow it into uh some some near
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adjacencies we leverage their talents
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skills Technologies and Innovation and
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in some cases we've even acquired some
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of those unique talents skills uh and
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and brought them inhouse uh because we
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wanted to apply them more broadly and
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the key is if you have that kind of
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innovative model
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in a large
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Enterprise how do you preserve what's
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created value for them and that that
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engine of innovation and it just doesn't
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get sucked into the you know the broader
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operating uh practices of a big platform
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company few years back we acquired a
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company uh that was actually started by
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two cognitive psychologists at CMU one
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may not see the direct correlation of of
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these gentlemen to uh the defense
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industry but they were dealing
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eventually in their business with what
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they called uh making the complex simple
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and a particular problem that they had
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lit upon was this information flow as we
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move an internet likee capacity to the
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battle space you have a commander like
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any other business manager who is
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getting information about competitors
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and in the case of the military about
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the enemy where your assets are what
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strategies you want to deploy or develop
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and how you want to deploy your ass
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Assets Now to counter competition or the
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threat so they took a commercial model
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and they said we're getting this
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information how do I how does a human
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being want to process it and they were
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looking at particular problems in the
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military battle space and they were also
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applying it to other problems like
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energy management and buildings to
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Transportation Solutions uh for big
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transport companies around the world
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think of big Logistics firms I won't
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mention the names but that were clients
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and it was how to simplify and man AG
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the complex and they were looking at
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this information problem we thought it
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had great applications to some things
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that we knew were a problem in the
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domain we had some expertise with our
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customers the military customer we put
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the two together and we did it in such a
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fashion that we left a kernel
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development kernel here we put the
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business around it a business wrapper
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preserve them from the usual vagaries of
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reporting out on a monthly basis we left
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that to our traditional business guys
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and then we used that kernel to uh
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Foster innovation and development in in
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some other areas uh it's been very very
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productive for us it's a company called
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Maya Vis um out of Pittsburgh
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Pennsylvania I think we talked a little
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bit about the business environment uh
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we've had the opportunity over the last
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20 years to um go through some pretty
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large Cycles we had the procurement
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holidays of of the 9s where this company
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shed a lot of excess asset asss and an
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opportunity we thought to create some
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value for our
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shareholders um and then from the late
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90s through the present day we've uh
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built the organization organically and
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through about o over 50 Acquisitions so
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we see opportunity on both the down
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cycle and the Up Cycle to create value
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for um not only our shareholders but the
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other two stakeholders that we have
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employees and our customers and continue
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to do that so we think that fence will
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be uh a good Market uh to stay in for a
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while we've Diversified the portfolio uh
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tremendously in the last 15 years I
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think that puts us in as good a position
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as everyone all portfolios have
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strengths and weaknesses uh no doubt
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ours does as well but we've also got
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significant exposure to commercial
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Aerospace which I think puts us in in
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good stead to balance that portfolio a
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little
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bit well uh we are always opportunistic
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as I said uh uh last 15 years or so
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we've done 50 plus acquisition so we're
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going to continue to be opportunistic
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where we think we can create value uh
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for our Enterprise um it it's
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interesting there's a little bit of a
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discontinuity right now between private
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valuations and public valuations uh we
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see private Equity entering the market
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again uh to a large extent so that'll
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sort itself out over time and uh you
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know you look back to the the '90s there
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were consolidators and and and there
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were Liquidators and I I think
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eventually uh as the market trims down
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it's a law of supply and demand if
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there's excess capacity the market will
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eventually sort itself
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out

Episode Highlights

  • Strategic Agility in Defense
    Exploring the components of strategic agility and their application in the defense industry.
    “You need all three components to be successful.”
    @ 06m 28s
    May 12, 2011
  • Lessons from Market Cycles
    Understanding how historical cycles inform current business strategies in defense.
    “History has shown that we’re very good at seeing these cycles after the fact.”
    @ 06m 52s
    May 12, 2011

Episode Quotes

  • You need all three components to be successful.
    A View From Above: Gerard DeMuro, General Dynamics
  • History has shown that we’re very good at seeing these cycles after the fact.
    A View From Above: Gerard DeMuro, General Dynamics
  • Making the complex simple.
    A View From Above: Gerard DeMuro, General Dynamics

Key Moments

  • Strategic Agility06:28
  • Market Cycles06:52
  • Innovation in Defense09:05

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