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Cheryl Crow is such a super Talent great we're doing musical uh people now that were music guests on the show uh I know
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Cheryl a little bit from the old days and seeing her out and um what what a sweet girl uh she has
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done so many things she sings with everybody that's famous that's great uh highly respected we had a great chat
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with her very cool girl if you look at her peers or singer
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songwriters female from the '90s till now I mean her Legacy the amount of
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anthems she wrote the amount of great hits um so it's a really fun chat we had
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with her and she's um you know as likable as as they come and just knowing she has all that
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talent and she started playing the guitar at the very end stay tuned for that all all Every Girl I know uh in the
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last you know 15 20 years if that if any of those songs come on you know they they all love Cheryl she knows what
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she's doing writing everything and so I've seen her in concert she kicks ass I
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saw her documentary we talk about that um she's a great we had fun she at one point she said could I tell this story
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and I said If It Makes You Happy Max I go that's like once you get that song in
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your head you never get it out that's such a banger I mean yeah that's her that's one of the anthems the girl is
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always saying I'm not the kind of girl you take home if it Max
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I so sad her stuff is sneakily uh deep you know she has these pop anthems but
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the lyrics are pretty heavy and we do get into the Beatles a little bit sorry they're they're kind of part of our
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podcast and it was fun to hear uh her her her sense of The Beatles I don't want to give it away but I would stay
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tuned for that it's very very interesting here's Cheryl Crow
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[Music] I want Dana to come see Dana look I know
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Cheryl you dick oh my gosh it's been 3,000 years since I've seen either one
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of you hi Cheryl weren't you at the 40th you were at the 40th weren't you yes I was I was so that's when we last saw
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each other when was that 2016 I think that was 40 years into I
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know it's it feels like yeah Cheryl Cheryl CR is with us I just like to say
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this 32 Grammy nominations nine wins and 50 million albums there just to re-
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remind everyone what the [ __ ] is going on right now sure let me put on my glasses so I can see you okay yes you
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both are looking very well I'm sorry that your listeners can't see us visiting with each other through our
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camera screens I know even though this is all audio I spent about 45 minutes on
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my chair and lighting and stuff I don't know why oh I I spackled
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my face guitars back there the hair is looking great oh Dana always you Dana
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looks like he's in solitary confinement people can't this room is empty of of void but my son had all my son's models
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and little army men are in a plastic container and the laptop's on top of it so it's very nostalgic when I do this a
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he's 28 now but now no what Dana what is that room that you're in that has no artart on the wall nothing are you is it
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everything must go personal I have um sleep paralysis so I have to sleep in an
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empty house cuz they'll come for me I have it are okay I have sleep paralysis
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how often um I have not had it in a while but now for a long time I would have it uh almost every night and I
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would have it periodically through the night and what's weirder and I don't know if you have this I'm sure this is
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so interesting to your listeners do you ever have sleep paralysis on an airplane
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no I can't sleep on an airplane cuz I'm too terrified no matter what even I I just watch the computer and check the
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violets but so you go to sleep like a damn baby on an airplane well if you had any other the sleep paralysis is
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basically uh you feel like something's attacking you invisibly in the night or there's a weight on your chest it's like
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a waking nightmare kind of you can't wake yourself up and yet you think that
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you're awake like you see people in the room moving and you're trying desperately to get them to wake you up
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you're you're paralyzed yes you can't move and the thing that got me I was
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it's the first time Sedro Ranch in monoco whatever you know Lifestyles rich
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and famous yeah and just woke up or I was had that pressure on my chest like
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something was crawling on top of me and then I kind of went okay that was a dream used the restroom went back to bed
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felt I was as awake as I am right now and then came back again yeah but now I
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talk to it it's never harmed me I don't know if it's a spirit thing or something Dana then what did you do I beat the
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[ __ ] out of it no you left didn't you well I my wife was sound asleep so I
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turned to her and said we have to go now it's 3: in the morning we have to leave
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immediately and uh she's a keep she's a keeper cuz she didn't even blink she's like okay okay honey yeah it's it's okay
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honey see I thought it was just mostly in Wom the women in my family have it my mom has managed through the years to
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figure out how to get my dad to wake her up and she does it by singing oh interesting well you're in Nashville
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isn't that full of ghosts out there that's kind of isn't it full of ghosts like old country singers and stuff I
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mean walking around Civil War lots of Civil War ghosts in Franklin oh it's
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never a dull moment down here and we live in the rainforest except for when Cheryl was in Guitar
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Center it does look like guitar sit on here she has 30 guitars behind her uh
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Cheryl I've been to smashville and next time I go there I'm going to make you come down to the Ryman and watch me bomb
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I'm so mad that you've been here and not called me I take it very personally you know the last time I saw you but you
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lived um somewhere in the canyon if you had some beautiful house was like a couple houses right next to ran Canyon
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Okay and um I won't give you the address because somebody else that's kind of
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high-profile lives there now however that being said I used to have wild parties at my house and I don't know if
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you remember this and this I've only been thinking about it lately because um of salmon Rusty being in the
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news um not to mention we just played shiaka but so I'm sure you know what happened to Sal rushy so manyi driver
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and I decided this is years ago I'm trying to think of what year it would have been Salmon's usually my plus one
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at parties Contin he is he's he is it's he is fascinating anyway we said let's
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have a New Year's Eve party together and you can invite 40 people and I'll invite 40 people and that was going to be
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it and by about 11 at night there must have been 800 people in my house and one
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of them was salmon rushy and it was right after his book had come out and
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there was a bounty on his head and I'm just like really is somebody get killed
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here tonight what's happening oh miss Hollywood you're house was like a a b
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was it a bunch of little houses or am I crazy yeah there was a um there was a big old Spanish house and then ac across
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the driveway which is the house I bought and then right across the driveway on the same property were two other houses
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that were really old one was built in the 19 uh early 1900s and the other one was
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built in 1887 and the guy who lived in those who had had those two properties and the 11
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acres uh wound up selling it to me for he just needed to get out and kept lowering the price and lowering the
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price and so I W up with all three houses and it was just compound magical but once I adopted my boys I just didn't
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want to live in LA anymore Dana I understand Dana uh I knew sherol Suzanne Crow a little bit because you know
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everybody his Rolodex is metaphorical Rolodex we used to run around in the same
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cre and oh what was that peer group was it kind of like the little Club Courtney
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Courtney which Courtney Courtney Cox Courtney Cox and uh Kid Rock was around I was around with Kid Rock because of uh
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it was during the Joe Dirt times when I saw Cheryl the most and and and uh we call him Bobby which I don't know it's
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kind of gross but we're always like Bobby Bob but uh Kid Rock is a buffoon it's hilarious and um we would all go
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out and then I would run into Cheryl with all those other people and she was always nice and she was always friendly
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and obviously being a Superstar but had a lot of fun she has a great voice and
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she has a great singing voice but she has a great voice too I've heard it and uh it was fun I just watched your whole
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documentary and uh so it's just weird to have you pop on right after cuz I
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finished it this morning oh you did oh yeah it's great it's kind of a tear jerker for some reason there's I have it
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on in the background right now I just glance at it it's a it's it's never a
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dull moment it's brilliant I put it up there with Top Gun I put up there a top gun Maverick by the
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way can we sing Top Guns Praises for 10 seconds did you see it I did like Top Gun I don't know if I what what what
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sure shockingly good like my wife both flipped for it it's like oh the new one
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the new one it was so good here's how I'm going to connect it and see if you guys connect to this I connect it to
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Roman Holiday with Gregory PE and Audrey heern interesting the reason
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it's done a lot but they did it better than anyone else you invest in the characters invest in the story and then
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there's seven minutes of H Hans Zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people
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hugging each other and giving thumbs up and that's the part that get you anyway
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wow okay I'm gonna go back and watch it I dragged my boys to see it because they had no no attachment to Top Gun and I
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was I was kind of skeptical but I'd heard how great it was and we loved it I mean was such a good
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old-fashioned plot Driven movie anyway how old are their kids my kids are 15 and 12 oh right in the pocket there oh
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okay perfect yeah yeah they and they seriously don't think I'm cool at all it
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would be weird if they did Cher Crow's cooking me in
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pancakes yeah tell them to watch the documentary they'll see how cool you are do you think I should let him watch it I
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don't know you're I don't look at it from their eyes but it's so it shows how tough you
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are how hard you bust your ass how good you are first of all everyone that loves
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is crazy about all these huge huge stars that rally around you and you're singing with every single one of them I knew you
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more like a skim job because when you watch the I used you know when I'd see you out but we you know I don't get into
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all that stuff and it's so uh I I I had so many more levels to uh your whole
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life and career I had no idea about no idea H well you know I think most people and I'm sure you guys too you guys have
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stories that nobody knows anything about I'm so fully realized person that's not
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you know that's not covered in the tabloids and all that stuff I find that everybody has a story everybody and way
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more than you think I I wouldn't relase SM because no one would believe it they would just laugh me out of the room I
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don't know a tease I'd like to know the story of Dana Carvey uh yeah when I come
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to Nashville and we go around to all the Main Street we go in the bars we see all the incredible bands I'll tell you
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everything you want to know uh so my new best friend is cherl cow I just want to make that announcement and um yeah make
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it clear so you're the the thing I got from the documentary which I recommend
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everybody it's such a human story is how hard you worked and how driven you were
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and then how you like most people well there's certain celebrities I know that are much easier with Fame but how you
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had a love hate with that and we talk about that part of the your drive and yet why do I want this and stuff like
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that yeah I mean I I I still think Fame is a weird it's a mind it's a real mind drip and and I didn't really adjust to
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it very well it for me instead of it being fun and something I could kind of
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navigate and manipulate and use to sort of build my brand which was not the you
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know people didn't talk about brand back then I know instead for me it was pressure you know was pressure and it
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was a source of my um I mean I've always looked at my life as okay how am I gonna [ __ ] this up
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or you know that's just how I've always I've always been sort of uber critical
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of myself I don't know why but um and so Fame was just one more Avenue for me to
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to to fall short or embarrass myself or you know it becomes this thing like suddenly
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you're invited to the party and you're like with all the cool kids and then you get this weird Panic that when is this
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going to stop and oh I wasn't at that event or I should have been at that or yeah I wasn't included it's just like
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it's a another level of panic for it was for me at least you
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re reminded all the time you you were saying it in the documentary you're saying it now I would like in tiny ways
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you get re reminded like you go to the Golden Globes and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before
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and you're like is is that weird that part is kind of funny or there's so many little things you keep getting checked
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like where you are in the food chain and Vanity Fair party they invite you at 9 or 1:00 a.m. you're like wait a second
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does that matter and they're like well you can't go and you can't bring a plus one this time and or you can and all
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that stuff is someone's in a room deciding your Fame level and uh I know and they're all all the pictures of
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people on the red carpet and you've like gone out of your way to look hot and you're not in the
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or they'll say a press announcement of like who came and you're not in those 10 they mention you're like oh okay well I
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was going to say and one other thing I I find that I still see my name in The Press and it'll be misspelled oh and
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I'll just go okay do they misspell Crow or Cheryl they do a c chery they can't
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get any of sometimes it'll be like an e on the end of crow yeah anyway it's all
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that's part that's the part that was so once I moved and especially once my boys
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game and really truth be told after I got diagnosed with cancer all that stuff just kind of went out the window and
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seemed ridiculous you know uh that same thing happened to me I happened to me twice once with a health issue I had
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botch bypass but feels good now and once when I was picking up my son and he he
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went in for the play date he's like nine he comes out he has a severely fractured
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wrist oh my gosh it's just like going at a right angle so he had to drive to the hospital and in that moment everything
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got real clear you know yeah I read I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about and I can't believe
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I read something recently that would be helpful in terms of getting D dinged in Show Business yeah the people who
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criticize you are doing less than you oh I like that isn't it good because like
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we would never judge you we know the work that goes in you know I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not I just
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know they have a story and they're talented and whatever but do you go on social Med at all and look around and
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David's good I'm so I mean my assistant's sitting over here I'm totally embarrassed but first of all
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I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s I am so not Tech but also I I have
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nothing to do with social media and that's not true that's not true I'm involved in my social media but I don't
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know how to go on it I don't know how to post I hand stuff to Liz and I'll say can we post about this this matters or
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but I don't I just don't do it my kids don't have social media I I already know
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how my personality is and there's so much mean stuff on there I would be distraught so how do you get your kids
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to not do they want to be on and you you don't let them well my
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15-year-old um initially about when he turned 12
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started begging me for Snapchat of course for sure about 12 and a half and all of his friends had Snapchat they
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didn't have in stagram they didn't have uh whatever else that you have what else is there tick didn't have Tik Tok um I
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know I'm sorry but um didn't have Tik Tok and then um is that weird I am weird
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I I love Upworthy like I love that that I can get with but anyway so he asked me
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for his 14th birthday if he could have Snapchat and I said oh my gosh buddy you
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don't have to ask for for your birthday so he got that I mean that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing but there's a thousand
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yeah it is Sneak chat there's so many ways though to see all the Tik Tok stuff on YouTube and we have all the
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parameters house and you know yeah hard to control my daughter is actually grew
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up I don't know where you were in um Missouri she used in Springfield right now oh and not far yeah so she that's
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where she's growing up and so I think it's nice it's nice there right it is nice there it is my brother went to
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college there and I'm try to keep her there as long as I can in a bubble before she uh comes to stay in La
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sometimes because just I can tell it's just it's getting scarier and scarier how terrifying it is for them to open to
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that world yeah but it's kind of that way everywhere I mean we just have a we have a rule that you can't be on your
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phone you know can't come and lay down on the couch and be on your phone for you know I'm sort of at a 30 minute you
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can do 30 minutes pick your screen um and I look at my screen time
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it says I'm on uh 22 hours a day I'm like we can pump those numbers up I know they do they admonish you your
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phone says you're down you're down this week your usage is down [ __ ] you why aren't you on it more what's with what
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can we do to get you sucked back in yeah come on you we you know anger really sells man and outrage but I don't look
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at it I get too way too uh sensitive if I see one negative thing or were you ever funny or whatever they say I'm kind
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of bummed out and it makes me mad that I even am affected but I don't listen or watch anything I do essentially I don't
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like to see hear or feel anything me neither me neither plus I'll
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tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60 right um you
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see all that old I'm 60 I turned 60 in February you see all that old um footage
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of yourself and you you still think you're that person and then it comes back over to an interview with you and
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there you are in the chair and you're 60 and you no I don't want to see it I don't want to like I like to think that
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I'm still like in my 30s hey I'm up the ladder looking down at your age going not bad but you're right how do we
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compete you know we're all so cute everyone is essentially all human all
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hum are C cuter with age in their 20s ad but everybody's really cute in their 20s
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and 30s but it's hard to you know what about Cheryl Woodstock Dana I watched her shoes in the Woodstock one I watched
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it because they said you were on it and so I watch 1999 that one well wherever you had a full-blown mullet I did I I
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was wearing it was let me just tell you please this is a total aside so I have
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these wonderful hair pieces I can clip in my hair right nice not wearing them now but um if I go on stage or whatever
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and I have clipped them on both my boys so that they'll look like Tommy Boy wait what I mean Joe Dirt sorry Jo
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oh my gosh there's so many that's all right Joe Dirt yes Joe Dirt is a big
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Halloween uh uh costume yeah it is a it is a look my gosh I love it so much but
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yeah that documentary 1999 the Woodstock is I watched part of it on the
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airplane couple of days ago and I had to turn it off it was so disturbing and I remember it I remember how awful it was
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was it scary for you because it got scarier like by the time Jewel got on and stuff it was getting closer and
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closer to that whole I remember hearing about it but when you watch how everyone went bananas it must have been uh I
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can't believe who would stay you know what I mean it was so bad yeah I don't know it it is interesting that people
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did stay it almost felt like they couldn't leave but it was it was debauch from the beginning because we were on
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the first day and we you could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guy shoulders you know trying
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to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV and um and
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they were already throwing [ __ ] from the um ouses that were not set up right that
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were leing and at what point some landed on my hand while I was playing bass
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during my favorite mistake that's when we stopped we played about four songs
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and I I remember saying not not not gonna do it not gonna do
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it wouldn't be prudent set me up I don't normally do characters on the podcast but not gonna do it feces on the base
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bad anyway well that's a that's a good uh gig story yeah yeah I've got a few of
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those that that was a highlight though we went on after Andy Dick and then so that tells you what the
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vibe was yeah that's he went on after Insane Clown posy so we oh who would go
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on after them jees we were like is this our is this our crowd what' you open with what was you come out with a rocker
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how'd you try to follow Andy Dick I think we came out with if it makes you happy I mean that was our weapon but
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that is a weapon wow is that your is that your one to go to you have so you have a lot of anthems you have a lot a
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lot of anthems God look through her [ __ ] I was like going look at that song oh my God because I love Leaving Las Vegas and
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it came up my iTunes the other day knowing oh wow and it was without my
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phone knowing I was you know we're were going to talk this week or did it yeah did it yeah that's really the question
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and that was that's a monster at that beginning uh Bas and uh great song is a huge story about it in your documentary
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and then also and then you keep going and going your first Letterman uh back up for Michael Jackson
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just getting that you kind of skimmed over that In audition for Michael Jackson how in God's green earth did you
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sneak in an audition where they didn't go your name's not on this list you were just cute you ran in and said I'm next
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it's weird um I I did a few sessions out there with I
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started to get a little bit of work singing Jingles you know the songs that are in commercials for those that that don't know and um I think because I was
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the new kid in town I started to get some work and started getting hired and
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was on a couple of sessions with the same guys one of them was darl fennessy who's fantastic singer um and actually
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it was for John one of them was for Johnny matthys and um I overheard him talking to another singer about the
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Jackson tour so um I asked about it and
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um you had to be recommended by Bruce sedine or Quincy Jones um or Rod
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Temperon and of course I didn't know any of those people I think I've been in town maybe six months when I first started getting work and um I found out
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where it was and I drove out it was at a rehearsal space I want to say sir but that I don't think they have that in in
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La I can't remember what it was called called drove there and thought what's the worst thing that can happen so I went and I knocked on the door and I
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they they let me in they they asked me what my name was I said I'm Cheryl Crow I am not recommended but I overheard
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Daryl fennessy I mean I told him straight up it's good you threw in some good and they said well come on in and
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they put me on video first um and I said hey Michael my name
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is Cheryl Crow I just moved here I was elementary school teacher um I'm out here doing sessions
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and would love a chance to go on the road and sing back up for you or whatever and then I I got a call from
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Daryl and he he put me with um couple
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other singers and we went in and sang together and they hired us now was this supposed to be backup or we supposed to sing whole idea okay back sing but you
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eventually were doing stuff singing with well he had two two or three songs that featured uh females like one of them was
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Man in the Mirror which was SAA Garrett on the record yeah oh and I can't stop loving you was also
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was that also can't stop loving yeah that
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one it's interesting when you we see you like you're at home now and you're Cheryl and sweet personable but when I
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watch you with Jagger and Michael Jackson okay so like these Titans and
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you're just like going for it I mean it is kind of a it's a personality you put on it it's fierce
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and rockstar I mean what that transition I mean who was tougher Jagger or or
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Michael to like keeping their face because they're both really aggressive dancing with you and you're right right
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up on top of them it's very cool to see oh uh Mick Jagger was I mean he's he was
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far more terrifying for sure I mean I grown up with that guy right I grown up
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with the sticky fingers record and and zipping the zipper I mean they were like dangerous
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like edgy and they had all this folklore around them you know and um and and by
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the time I got to sing with them um I mean I i' I'd seen them live a
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handful of times I mean that was like that was the bomb I was so afraid and I
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threw up all day I was a nervous wreck um and I think I even talked about
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the documentary about um Bobby Keys handing me a bottle of tequila right right before I went on a bottle of have
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a shot of Courage and the next thing I know I'm out there with them and um yeah
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I mean it's it's a funny thing and I know you guys know this too it's like you ha you have this side that has to
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has to show up and be Fearless but then you also I don't know if you guys are
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like this as soon as you walk off stage you go oh my God I suck or I sucked or that was you know I want to do it again
00:27:25
I wish I you know and it's it's that that sort of balance
00:27:32
between stepping into it and then coming away from it and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with your
00:27:39
with all the voices that are in your head that tell you you suck do you I I sometimes do it later on I mean when you
00:27:44
came off from Jagger really in that moment did you think I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool obviously the
00:27:51
first faces are crew guys or whatever and they have a range of compliments hey and sometimes they'll change it mid word
00:27:58
hey that was really or nothing that was really good you know they go great you
00:28:04
get these little messages and then if you get someone really high you crushed it you crushed it you know but then
00:28:09
later hours later I would think ah [ __ ] I missed that I rushed that so that it's
00:28:15
a funny you know it's a it's a funny thing um that was such an out-of- body
00:28:21
experience that I it was hard to even relate to it and then compound that with
00:28:27
I mean literally we were we didn't even have a hit yet I mean all I want to do had come out and it was starting to
00:28:33
happen um but it it it I I couldn't even
00:28:38
process it um but you know my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough
00:28:45
you know and I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never
00:28:52
as great as the Rolling Stones or never as great as Stevie Nicks or not even as
00:28:58
great as you think you should or could be and it's taken me years really to
00:29:04
Grapple with that and you know there's also you know you talk about the
00:29:09
mental um challenges that go along with being an artist or or or somebody who
00:29:16
puts themselves out there that shows up um you know I I spent a little time with
00:29:21
um Robin Williams uh the years and you look at somebody like that who can open
00:29:28
himself up and be so beautifully funny and so just happy yeah but then in their real
00:29:36
life you know they're struggling and that's that's the story of a lot of us I um got to know Robin uh quite a bit I've
00:29:43
know I knew him since the 70s you know and I got to know him when we were both up here in Marin County for the Last 5
00:29:50
Years and part of what I feel about him is like his shyness and his vulnerability he would call me boss but
00:29:57
I he was my idol and then his powerhouse on stage and really he created this idea of a
00:30:02
Shakespearean actor just showing up and it was just a brilliant concept of like
00:30:07
oh hey who and you never knew where he was going to go you know uh one thing I wanted to ask you Cheryl but David's
00:30:14
gonna ask a question first go ahead I no I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage so I did
00:30:20
the a God why do I think you were here Andre Andre Agy uh charity in Vegas
00:30:27
maybe you weren't there so uh it's just I might have been there all these stars go on right it's comedy yeah it was me I
00:30:34
was at table with Ray Romano I thought you were my T why do I even think this anyway I was there okay so you were
00:30:40
there okay yes that's the night I met Lance Armstrong okay car interesting my
00:30:45
next question that's uh part two part two of the interview okay I'll whz through this story first cuz this one
00:30:53
sucks uh so there there's so they go Ray's there and and you're there
00:30:58
we're all this T whatever they go okay you're going to go up then Cheryl then so I have to go up before Ray and I go
00:31:05
after do you remember there was like an 11-year-old Phenom singer from like American Idol or something yes I do
00:31:12
anyway do she so I they go she's only doing one song or something so I'm waiting in the wings and she goes up and
00:31:18
she does like I will always love you or something and she gets a standing ovation and she walks off and I go hey
00:31:24
get him next time and then she goes what cuz cuz I had to get in her [ __ ] head Cheryl because you know what she blew me
00:31:31
off the stage and I hate I couldn't follow her so I'm like hey tough crowd huh and she's like what I love your honesty love 11 years old I got to get
00:31:40
in there and let her know what the what's going on man and so then I went been in therapy ever since she's like
00:31:46
didn't I get a sanding OB she never sang again isn't that good I'm like open her mouth so then I got up first of all that
00:31:54
was embarrassing and then I get up and then I bomb and then I come down down and I say to Ray Romano just like
00:32:01
comedian to comedian I go Hey listen you're next listen the tables are really far apart they can't hear you in the
00:32:07
front there's kids in the back there's a bar over here it's just it's the worst case scenario he gets up and kills for
00:32:13
20 minutes straight and I was like uhhuh after I just explained why he's
00:32:19
going to bomb and there's absolutely no way to do well here he doesn't go down for anybody have you ever Cher when I've
00:32:26
seen you sing on this do and it seems like you if you have nerves they never
00:32:31
affect your voice you I like if you're terrified with Jagger you don't hit a bad note do you in the whole thing I
00:32:38
that's just more mathematical right you don't hit a bad not that's I've bombed I have bombed before I promise in fact I
00:32:44
can remember doing a tribute I think it might have been I feel like Neil Young
00:32:50
was on it I don't know it was a music cares thing and I thought I knew the song but I didn't know it very well and
00:32:56
I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song making up crap and I
00:33:03
remember coming off stage and John S who was the head of uh VH1 the head of VH1
00:33:09
saying something about wow I don't know if I've ever heard that
00:33:15
R yes I I have definitely had moments of bombing um oh yeah I I've had de to find
00:33:22
bombs you know I've done corporate work occasionally I worked at gun show
00:33:28
I and all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me and they would
00:33:33
just take a bite and kind of look up but you know they pay you so much you have to do though comedians are easy they
00:33:39
throw you anywhere but I I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough uh and then but with musicians you
00:33:47
can sort of even if you bomb in quotes you just say your you just do your song the in between is kind of awkward
00:33:54
because there's crickets but we're doing every line we're getting feedback that it's not working it's not yeah oh I
00:34:01
cannot I just can't imagine being a comedian and I I love I love the art
00:34:07
form I love Comedians and Dave I've never seen you bomb you've always made me laugh oh that's nice we but you're a
00:34:14
sweet person and uh no no that's the truth I just can't imagine we did a
00:34:20
corporate gig no no no we did a virtual gig uh in during the pandemic and i'
00:34:26
never done one of those where you do a concert in front of like nothing yeah
00:34:31
there's no like in between songs it's like okay you hit that big last cord and then it's just Cricket it's like playing
00:34:38
in Japan you look over and there's some guy on the side just texting he like Works he's like go on do your next song
00:34:44
I call it comedy waterboarding I did one with with Tony Robbins and he was
00:34:50
interviewing me on the zoom and he was so enthusiastic and he had a global audience in all these screens and I
00:34:57
would do Tony fouchy or something and go give it up for Dana Carvey and then there'd be two minutes of music and and
00:35:02
I would just be dancing in my room like no laughs yeah you know it's just but I
00:35:10
love Tony but um I was gonna ask you so you the one thing about being hard on
00:35:16
yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now and
00:35:22
there's something about lasting you know and putting out cool stuff and
00:35:28
seems to me that when you really got into this super celebrity thing it was when you're already exploding as a
00:35:34
superstar and then you're dating another Superstar and that's when the tabloids went 10.0 right oh yeah oh yeah
00:35:42
definitely yeah and you know I think interestingly enough I had dated people before that were well known but there
00:35:49
was something about that combo that was uh just it was
00:35:57
yeah it was um yeah I mean it's like I mean I wouldn't put myself with JLo and A-Rod like way up there but you know a
00:36:05
combo like that is is it's I guess yeah
00:36:11
well because there was ow and hey how's it going oh love Owen well Owen's the
00:36:17
coolest dude in the world so I still communicate with Owen I absolutely love him hey uh just you know and I I mean
00:36:24
I've been really fortunate and I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all um I have been really
00:36:29
fortunate to be with the people that I've been with and I wouldn't change it you know yeah I think I will say one
00:36:37
thing I did dream last night that I married Brad Pit you must know Brad pretty well
00:36:42
that's a good plan I do know him pretty well you know I went to college with him oh you did really was did the girls all
00:36:48
love him then or what was he like well you know it's really funny he's a year younger than me um and I was the s song
00:36:57
or the yeah the song leader at his fraternity Sigma yes really so I went over and I
00:37:04
would work with them with their their uh we had I can't remember what was called Greek week or whatever I was like their
00:37:11
coach or whatever but I knew him from campus running around I knew the girl he was dating and um you're always friendly
00:37:19
he's from Springfield where your daughter is yeah yeah always friendly and I've seen him through the years he's
00:37:25
a good dude I swear he he sort of takes an in an odd beating out there over this divorce thing that never ends but he's
00:37:31
I've never seen him not be cool to people not be nice to people he seems like the most down toe he is he's a nice
00:37:39
person big of a star as he is he's gives everybody time I don't know how he does
00:37:44
it and then but he keeps getting roughed up I mean that that that's a divorce for
00:37:49
you I guess I don't know the the energy around someone like Brad Pit and I think part of his shyness or reclusiveness
00:37:56
he's not really readily available and it almost like Clooney was with Matt Damon
00:38:01
and Brad Pit and there're at some film festival in Europe and Clooney just said like he and Dam just disappeared as soon
00:38:07
as Brad Pit showed up so this this other level of uh being a true sex symbol and
00:38:14
a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0 well David you know how that is p a
00:38:19
sex symbol is very you know Cheryl I'm glad you and the ladies have a nice arrangement is a struggle but you know
00:38:25
the truth is also when you're dating you were saying if you date someone in the business like you almost
00:38:33
have to date someone like an Owen because like that song even says are you
00:38:39
strong enough like the first of all the tabls don't care when you date a normal person so it's not as big of a deal and
00:38:46
people think you're not even dating they don't know what's going on and then they only jump on it if it's someone they know and they and like together it
00:38:53
equals like five stars yeah it's like two celebrities equal five so so it's
00:38:58
like you see these people on like uh reality shows together they make one actual star so that's why they always
00:39:05
date each other someone from The Bachelor dates someone from this one well the cynic kind of thinks is it is
00:39:11
it an arrangement David is it sort of like hey let's uh date for three months our profile explode you two should get
00:39:18
together for that's why I'm going to marry Brad Pit because I feel like that'll put me actually at a at least a
00:39:24
five oh you'd be You' be huge guys people couldn't deal with it that that'd
00:39:30
be that'd be crazy I love my I don't I don't want to get married I I love my life you don't want to get married
00:39:36
that's crazy no I would just want to sleep around yeah all right now let's unpack the the
00:39:43
last part of our podcast show I'm gonna make sure my kids listen to this podcast
00:39:48
yeah good hey you know women should own their um sexuality they should be able to do that too they should but I got to
00:39:54
be honest with you 9 o' at night yeah I'm like that's like yeah that's RM
00:40:00
sleep for me at 9:30 I'm out if the guy's ready to Rally from 8:50 to 9: if it's not in that window beat it cuz uh
00:40:06
yeah I don't I'm with you sure during the pandemic I just went to bed early got up early it's hard for a nightclub
00:40:12
performer when you get up at 5:30 and the show's at 10: that night you have to wait 18 hours but I like doing this Dana
00:40:21
in Vegas me and Dana did this show and uh I do it usually and then he covered for me once and he's like this thing's
00:40:27
at [ __ ] 10 dude I know I know and then we do a Q&A at the end so it's at like you get off by midnight I go is
00:40:35
that that's too late right he's like yeah and I go what am I doing I like s o'clock shows I really at this age I
00:40:41
just like I don't want party anyway you also G to say oh yeah no I won't ask you
00:40:48
about this but ask me anything no it's not that exciting I'm no I'm not I'm not
00:40:53
I'm I I first of all like that when in the special when you said driven is sort
00:40:59
of a negative to women but I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work
00:41:06
hard that that seems like uh a trophy to say I was you know what I mean you wear
00:41:12
it like a metal like I'm driven meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try
00:41:17
really hard to get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by
00:41:23
that that's not how it works anymore people want to be given things or people want to jump ahead a lot easier and they
00:41:29
don't want to work or they don't have to work and so I love watching that when
00:41:34
people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right and if you take it seriously whether it's standup or that
00:41:41
or any sort of writing you write and uh and do it all and you perform that
00:41:46
that's like something you're so proud of and it's weird when people give it to you like it's a negative that that's a
00:41:52
hard thing to take yeah I think I think for women you know the idea of an
00:41:57
ambitious woman is such a turnoff like for instance you know well it's like a
00:42:03
woman gets called like a [ __ ] or yeah you know um I can remember when uh I
00:42:10
mean this goes way back but um what was the woman oh my gosh uh who ran for
00:42:16
president years ago Sarah Palin vice president no no no this way way I want to say kafar but it's not that but
00:42:24
anyway uh about there was always a discussion about her how ambitious she was and how um uh unlikable you know
00:42:34
that kind of thing and I don't know I I I still find that is is problematic when
00:42:39
you have ambitious men and it's such a admirable trait but for woman to be ambitious and let's face it you know if
00:42:45
you are the head of a company or or if you're a politician or or a successful woman in general you you have some
00:42:52
ambition and that ambition is fed by hopefully the desire
00:42:57
to be really good at something and the love of doing that something and that you know that's that that question you
00:43:05
were just asking David about people not wanting to work hard I mean even raising my boys I keep having to say to them
00:43:12
look if you're going to do this you want to dedicate your energy and your time
00:43:19
and you're blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love um
00:43:26
because it's not all about the end product and it's I don't know where we're off like where when I was growing
00:43:32
up everybody was middle class there was no you know people weren't Rich yeah and
00:43:39
so I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands and I felt like I
00:43:44
didn't it wasn't about being famous it was about being great you know what I mean so I don't know where we're off I
00:43:50
guess it's really easy to to be famous and it's really easy to get rich that's it yeah so nobody really wants to they
00:43:58
don't equate work with becoming famous or work with becoming rich it just changed and it's not um anyone's fault
00:44:05
but we when you were really when you're on television as Frank Sinatra or whoever or or Stevie Nicks they were
00:44:12
just really great and now because of social media and instant hits and stuff
00:44:17
and it's very demoralizing for young people when they see and I do a joke a guy who opens pickles jars and is making
00:44:25
seven figures all right my name is Steve today we're going to open some nice deals you know and he's making seven
00:44:30
figures on YouTube yeah YouTube and monetization you
00:44:37
[Music] know interesting enough you might this comes back to you so the corporations of
00:44:44
the big music publishing companies are now buying artist cataloges they obviously got Springsteen they got this
00:44:51
they're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems
00:44:58
these big songs really monetize well going generationally you know like your
00:45:04
hits you know could are just right here right now strong enough I mean they're
00:45:09
just if it makes you happy all those so have you have you been approached or have you sold your catalog well I sold
00:45:17
my catalog um not my songwriters but I sold my catalog about three albums ago
00:45:25
because everything was going to streaming and we were
00:45:30
approached um with the idea that they would start getting placements so that the songs would be heard
00:45:37
more um but I wouldn't lose my songwriters so I didn't get the the giant chunk that like a Springsteen or
00:45:46
Bob Dylan or whatever what's the songwriter mean though what do you mean um so you get paid for the um you get
00:45:54
paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter so I split my songwriter with
00:45:59
whoever I write my song with and if I don't write it with somebody then I take 100% of the songwriters okay uh fee or
00:46:07
whatever the money that comes in so when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever
00:46:12
it is um some of it goes to the Publishing Company some of it goes to
00:46:18
the songwriter um but it's interesting now because everything is
00:46:24
streaming um you know we make a a a penny or maybe two pennies every time a
00:46:29
song is is streamed so how much of a penny do you get paid for the song right
00:46:35
it's it's it's nothing I mean 100% of a penny is still gonna be a penny you know
00:46:42
so so it's it's all it's just ridiculous and I I don't know I mean I love that Bruce and and Neil and all these people
00:46:49
are making hundreds of millions of dollars but I go I don't know I I mean it's sort of like Bitcoin to me do you
00:46:56
mean like how does the people that buy it make it back because it's so it's is it overpaying well I guess what they do
00:47:02
is they sell the right to use that song in a commercial they they're out there to try to sell it to make money withies
00:47:08
and stuff like that and that's why maybe the album is kind of over for now in a way I mean you're going to release more
00:47:14
like just batches of songs or you release I'm going to release batches of songs but I mean that's not for
00:47:19
everybody for for me like I said I'm 60 is the new term batches pancakes you're going to do batches of song
00:47:27
like batch one B the promised land I liked in the uh Dana in the
00:47:34
documentary remember I think it was toward the end um where she uh where she
00:47:39
said you came out to somewhere maybe it's bonaroo where is Bon in Tennessee or something yeah yeah and and and and
00:47:45
the people weren't there yet but by the time you went on first of all when they when you said four o'clock I was like I
00:47:50
was at one of those festivals and it was like this nor McDonald went on at noon I went on at I luckily went on before more
00:47:57
Tom Petty which is great but it was kind of night time there were very weird times people went on it was like all day
00:48:03
but you went on the place was packed and then you said this whole new generation when you went to I think if it makes you
00:48:09
happy which is one of your big [ __ ] hits that uh they all knew it and that's cool that's the coolest thing is that it
00:48:15
keeps going it's for me like someone seeing a movie or something that they a
00:48:20
new generation knows it and you can't believe how would you even see it because that's something people like
00:48:27
people don't listen to radio you go oh here's a new Cheryl Crow song or here's an old one someone had to tell them or
00:48:33
some and they all know all the words it's very cool I mean it it's it's funny because about maybe five years ago my
00:48:41
manager started talking about and now you're a legacy artist I'm like oh that's like okay I've got my AR card um
00:48:48
I'm a legacy artist that's what I I'm trying to be but it's kind of cool yeah I mean
00:48:54
people's kids have grown up I mean like I I know Bert bearak and I know yeah of
00:49:00
course obviously I know the Rolling Stones but I mean I I grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents
00:49:07
who grew up with my music and it is a rarified place to be it's you know it's
00:49:12
awesome some some high school kid today boy or girl is going to listen to uh my
00:49:18
favorite mistake today for the first time and become possessed by it you know
00:49:24
I mean I noticed in your songwriting which is kind of cool in you know Brandy Carlile talked about it you kind of
00:49:30
you're doing these major chords or just this setup and then it goes in unexpected places I'm not a musicologist
00:49:37
but seems to go minor or weird that the second parts of your songs are so
00:49:42
explosively different and the setup is kind of kind of I don't know I mean how do you write a melody like that's that
00:49:48
part for my my favorite mistake cuz that's such a cool Melody weird you know
00:49:53
I don't know but I will say I I I love I'm so proud of my references
00:49:59
like I loved the Beetles so much what I
00:50:05
know love The Beetles and that documentary just uh I mean I binge
00:50:11
watched it and then I rewatched the last episode and um it you know I I think a
00:50:17
lot of a lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis I mean you know um I
00:50:23
don't know what it's like to write jokes because it seems like I mean I'm sure
00:50:28
you guys grew up with George Carlin and um uh Richard Pryor all the all the greats and I'm sure same thing same
00:50:35
thing yeah so you get a like a a Cadence or you know you you do what they do for
00:50:43
a while and then you go okay how now you start hopefully transitioning to who you
00:50:49
are and that becomes your thing but you're still standing on the shoulders of all the the dudes that wrote the book
00:50:56
right like research paper of your favorite people then you start turning into your own this is a horrible
00:51:01
question to ask but what Beetle songs kind of speak to you like off off the top of your head that you really liked
00:51:07
okay I'll just start Here There and Everywhere I Here There and Everywhere I
00:51:12
mean that song is amazing and then you hear Emy Lu Harris do it and you go that song is Amazing again yes I mean that's
00:51:18
why their songs are so great yesterday is one of my favorite songs long and whining road is one of my favorite
00:51:23
songs um uh Love by John linen is one of my favorite
00:51:29
songs so much good stuff in there I mean get back uh uh come together I mean just
00:51:39
you know but definitely Blackbird and yesterday to me are the two of the greatest songs ever written when we did
00:51:45
um talk to we got lucky talk to Paul but he said was it yesterday where he says
00:51:51
when he goes when he brings it in do you bring it in and go I got a winner and he goes no you can't you have to walk in
00:51:57
and go hey I did a new one if you guys want to hear it and then he said Ringo said I I can't put any drums on that and
00:52:05
then John said I can't put any more guitar on it and they said what if we put strings and he said no that was George Martin yeah and he said no it's
00:52:11
we're rock and roll we don't want strings on it and and I go oh we get a little bit of the process yeah it was
00:52:16
interesting Cheryl and we can cut this out if it overlaps but we did get to talk to Paul and we were both very
00:52:22
nervous uh I was on the road in Wyoming with my family in Montana but anyway it
00:52:29
he um once we started talking about get back he really lit up and I asked him did John ever thank you for your
00:52:37
baselines and that was like a big thing for him and well we we found our way to come together and he talked about how
00:52:44
John just had one line here come old Flatt top which was a Chuck Barry song he had to pay for it later and then he
00:52:51
kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener he said to Joan we got to have an opener we can't just go R in
00:52:57
so that became so I go Paul that's one of the best openings of a song ever and then
00:53:05
later on he had said we wrote it face to face because he comes in even though it's so leny Paul comes in with w a
00:53:12
cracker he got Juju Eyeball so Paul his comprehensive musicality I think just
00:53:19
influenced the band his fingerprints were every like cuz he could do the percussion he had a four octave range
00:53:25
sing all the harmonies he could play the uh all the keyboards and all the guitars so anyway interesting uh interview and I
00:53:34
couldn't sleep for a week after that because I kept thinking of what I should have asked I see I would have just led
00:53:40
to have been um in the room fly on the wall listening yeah listening to you
00:53:45
guys interviewing because that was one of the things about the documentary that um mean not to be like um all woo woo
00:53:53
and stuff but watching them in the room and and
00:53:59
the the musicality of all four of those guys like Ringo never played anything
00:54:05
that didn't feel exactly perfect and right for the song yep for the song
00:54:11
uh Paul I mean everything he played was not just tasteful but it was like unique
00:54:18
and memorable I mean there was so much happening his his interplay even the tension between he and George all of and
00:54:26
and then the combination of him and John I know I'm going on I'm going somewhere with this we we love to talk about the
00:54:32
is I mean I am so I so believe that there is an energetic uh component to the
00:54:39
universe that brings that together I mean because there are too many
00:54:47
instances where you just go where in the world did that come from or even when you write a song and you go okay like my
00:54:53
favorite mistake I felt that way after that song I felt like okay I don't know
00:54:59
where that came from and also I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete such a great there
00:55:06
are moments where you go okay you can't Define what creativity is yeah you can't really Define what inspiration is but it
00:55:13
is a real thing and that to me is like okay that's just God I mean however you want to Define that energy that is
00:55:21
unique to you and I watched that in that documentary that energy that no matter
00:55:28
what was happening between them it all was part of the outcome I don't know I
00:55:34
just I guess the older I get the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents you're tapping into
00:55:41
something well Dennis Miller who's a big Beetle fan he said it this way to me goes Carvey I can understand you know
00:55:48
Leed zein okay I get Pink Floyd or you know you to and all that but for the
00:55:55
life of me I can't understand the Beatles how does that happen and it's
00:56:00
lightning in a bottle what was sweet about it Cheryl and it'll be on the podcast is that he he still has this
00:56:08
this love of John and there was an he loved that that he you could see them
00:56:14
joking around with each other yeah even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit there was a bit of a
00:56:19
competition going on cuz Paul had long and windy road he was on this upswing had a ton of songs and John had to bring
00:56:26
across the universe to the album which is right insane it's like a left it's a right
00:56:32
it's too much I mean if the amount of hits you could retire off that one alone I know un if he just wrote Here There
00:56:39
and Everywhere he'd be a famous person but I can see your influence u in a good
00:56:44
way but you have your own Cheryl Crow brand but I think you do write songs I'm sure you if you've met Paul and I'm sure
00:56:50
he's a fan of your music that's pretty trippy right I don't know I don't know if he is or not but I did it's kind of
00:56:56
funny I did meet him um when I was doing Fallon in the NBC building and it's funny
00:57:03
because um I have so many memories I mean certainly from doing Saturday Night
00:57:09
Live um oh that's right being in that building and getting to beat people you
00:57:14
know three times on SNL Cheryl Crow three times on SNL that's a hard one to
00:57:19
do they have so the choice of anyone at all times and to get as back three different times I had to sleep with
00:57:25
Lauren like 11 times oh I've been there what did Lauren say to you I'm still sleeping with him I don't know why I
00:57:31
don't even know just I'm in a habit so you'll be doing if it makes you happy and that'll be your first song maybe
00:57:37
something we've heard of maybe second song you pick Dealers
00:57:43
Choice here's what Paul said to me about you Cheryl you know I go Paul who do you like contemporary you know I like Cheryl
00:57:50
Crow you know she's got she's got she's got a good Thumper she's got a good you know basy and go guitars and harmonies
00:57:58
she's a big vocal a big voicer sorry that's F she didn't say that don't she's
00:58:04
freaking out don't say I'm freaking out just going oh my gosh I'm sure he loves you I wish I would have recorded that
00:58:10
and then posted it like he actually did say that you know if it makes you happy why are you so sad you know it's one of
00:58:16
those turns John and I would do it's like a big old course you know makes you happy you think oh it makes you happy
00:58:22
then why you're so sad it takes the carpet out you know and keep going going
00:58:27
you know get you old Willy Jilly I don't okay I'll do it all day that's incredible that sounds that's incredible
00:58:33
I do it just to be with Paul McCartney I will you call my voicemail and just leave that on there for me so I can use
00:58:40
pull pull not her now I can't do it but um Dana I got to tell Cheryl before we
00:58:46
uh let her leave and go back to she doesn't want to leave she wants to talk about she doesn't want to leave she should I don't I don't I have to tell
00:58:53
her that when I'm looking over these songs first of all I like that I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason but if it makes
00:59:00
you happy I like that you work in mosquito in that one because it's hard to get into songs sorely unused pop word
00:59:07
yeah it's very very underused and I have to say and this is a dumb story but when
00:59:14
I was uh with Kid Rock one of his albums came out and this we were hanging out more and he goes I think he was up
00:59:21
against pink when it came out I don't know why I remember this it's probably a lie but I so he's driving you can attest
00:59:29
to this if you're in a car with him he's playing his album if you're in his house he's playing his album if you're in
00:59:35
anywhere he's playing a video of himself so um he goes you got to hear the new album and I go oh and then he played the
00:59:41
whole the whole thing so I don't know as much about music as you or Dana I don't know anything Dana knows a lot fan so he
00:59:49
plays the songs and he goes this one's the one that comes out first and then this one and then this one and then f
00:59:56
[ __ ] picture comes on and I know nothing Cheryl and I go that's [ __ ]
01:00:01
great and I go play that one again and he goes it's with Cheryl and I go godamn
01:00:07
that's catchy that is so good and she's so good in it I and he goes well that's going to come later and if I'm not
01:00:14
mistaken the first two songs did okay and then picture blew the [ __ ] up is that possible it exploded it's so good
01:00:22
it's so you know what he said which was funny he said after you recorded it he said that's going to go to number one I
01:00:28
was like really oh that's so cool and he's like that's going to go to number one I'm telling you it pops up my iPad all the time and it's so [ __ ] good
01:00:35
and you're so great in it and I just go God and I know he he takes a beating out there but he can sing man he gets these
01:00:42
he gets it right and that one he got right and he he's got a lot of great [ __ ] out there um yeah and um how did
01:00:49
that happened he knew he had it and came to you or you had it and came to him or what happened oh no he had it in fact I
01:00:55
didn't write nearly as much on that as he did I mean and he's he's super uh
01:01:01
like when he's in the studio he is fearless man I mean he has listened to
01:01:06
so much great music and can play a lot of things and um you know he he's really
01:01:12
masterful at getting his ideas down and um yeah he knows it back and forth he knows a lot yeah he does and he's but
01:01:18
he's also you know very Savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit and
01:01:24
yeah you know what's funny I used to bust his balls because he goes hey I got this this guy wants me to come play his
01:01:30
birthday party give me 50 Grand to come sing I go does he give give you another 50 to get off because he'd play we do karaoke at
01:01:38
my birthday party and he goes maybe I'll get up with these guys I'm like maybe it's it's gonna within seconds so he
01:01:44
would sing karaoke and then that was for the next three hours he can't wa I don't
01:01:50
know if you ever came down to we in in New York I think it was in the late 90s maybe we would
01:01:56
uh show up once a week at shine which was a a club uh
01:02:03
downtown and uh we do all covers and any given night oh my God how fun Mike Mills
01:02:09
uh Stevie Nicks sat in with us Keith Richard sat in with us anyway Kid Rock came down and it was the same night that
01:02:16
Keith sat in and he kept yelling Keith's name Keith Richards Keith Richards and
01:02:21
Keith got really mad like irritated he's like quit saying my [ __ ]
01:02:26
and I at one point I'm just like okay I'm not sure how to manage you know we're doing all these bad 90s covers W
01:02:34
but yeah he's a lot of fun and I will say that picture yeah is one of the most
01:02:40
covered songs that Koke in the world that is you know one of my claims of
01:02:45
Fame wow I'm telling you it's and on top of everything else you've done and then I was looking at this and I go oh that's
01:02:52
right picture on top of all the stuff so just had to high five you for that one
01:02:57
that's so good um got got to high five Bobby for that one yeah yeah he he he he
01:03:02
does I bust his balls all the time but he he is good okay you know traveling wool berries wall berries yes so past
01:03:11
and president if you were going to make a female super group who would be in there I mean obviously you would put
01:03:18
in Stevie obviously I would put in Stevie
01:03:24
Nicks most definitely super group 10 out of 10 yeah and I
01:03:29
would ask Brandy you know she loves you and she's cool Ry is amazing and she's a
01:03:36
great songwriter and she's just kick ass chick she's cool um God who else it's
01:03:42
only three it's like Nirvana so far Bonnie ra Emy L Harris Bonnie would be
01:03:48
amazing Emy would be amazing Linda Rona Ron I was gonna say yes I mean Young
01:03:55
wise I mean you know the traveling wheeles each one of them had a huge full body of material yeah so I mean because
01:04:03
there's a lot of young people out there that will will be who's young that you like oh man I mean I love maren great
01:04:09
songwriter great performer great singer I love Courtney Barnett she's amazing I
01:04:14
love the high IM girls they're great um who goes on and on yeah yeah
01:04:21
yeah I mean I love Florence in the machine she's really interesting there's a young girl named Cassie I want to say
01:04:27
anyway there's there's a lot of good young female music out there yeah it's
01:04:33
hard to break through though I mean there just it's there's just so much of everything with everything is everything
01:04:39
now yeah it's true what's in your hand what's going on down there who me yeah
01:04:45
oh guitar piics are you gonna write us as soon as this podcast is over you're
01:04:51
going to pick up one of those guitars and just go [ __ ] crazy and write a Mas piece are you write a song about me
01:04:57
and D yeah just like podcasting with the lady in Joe Dirt the
01:05:03
lady what is it oh did you forget how to
01:05:09
play what is that I can't even hear
01:05:17
it well that sound of little Patty Smith didn't it I like it it had a little punk to it we'll get it on Tik Tok right away
01:05:24
that's cool please do yeah please get me on Tik Tok I know is that something they
01:05:29
want you to do is like try to snippet your song on Tik Tok okay so the documentary was coming out and Showtime
01:05:36
was really hoping that I would open a Tik Tok account and do Tik Tok is that so real my 12-year-old was like Mom
01:05:44
please don't she like that is so cringy I'm on Tik Tok and it's so gross I'm going to
01:05:50
join it you know that word cringey though like doing something that you shouldn't be doing cuz you're not cool
01:05:57
it's crazy yeah that's right um I'm I'm thinking of joining it though I don't know you are I don't look at any social
01:06:03
media but I've heard of it Dana doesn't even look and he gets comments and I have to answer for him because they go hey what does Dana think and I go well
01:06:09
Dana would Pro I don't see look at anything but I do from what I understand the New York you should do Tik Tok you
01:06:15
would be huge well thank thank you okay I'm saying that and I don't thank you Sher you don't know anything that's
01:06:21
based on no knowledge of anything I was reading B New York had a 20page article
01:06:27
on what is Tik Tok so essentially I got the idea that rhythmic musicality is
01:06:33
shared like you make something like if I did chop broccoli then other people take it and go with it so I don't know if it
01:06:39
is if it is about audio broccoli could musicality catch broccoli could work shop Cher knows what it is chop I do I
01:06:48
do Cho and broccoli yeah I've said that in my kitchen to my boys and they look at me like what ah we got to get your
01:06:54
boys up to speaked man my kids don't like I try to turn them on onto all the good stuff they don't think I'm funny
01:07:01
they just show me and Benchwarmers oh they're gonna
01:07:06
watch Joe Dirt for sure and they need to know who the church lady is for sure Wayne's World they usually World they
01:07:14
need to know yes they will they will get them up
01:07:20
[Music] dud so Cheryl uh you'll be at the 50 50th for SNL um in 3 years the 50th
01:07:30
Anniversary I hope so what are you going I hope I'm invited you're kidding Dave and I have an in Dana's plus
01:07:38
one I'd like to do a sketch with you so and then next time we go to uh uh down
01:07:44
there we'll make Cheryl come out to the show hey would y'all please let me know
01:07:50
if you ever come to Nashville I'm your buddy I know but I didn't I didn't love
01:07:55
Nashville I we think about moving there all the time it's cool just don't come here and buy a house oh California come
01:08:03
on out to take over Californians making the prices go up that kind of thing Interlopers oh my gosh you have no idea
01:08:09
Montana I'm from Montana it's all going on up there all the billionaires are coming in I'll take five of those
01:08:15
there's a great comedian Theo Von one of my good buddies lives out there so when I go see him I'll play The Ryman and then I'll make you come down please how
01:08:23
many seats is the Ryman I want to go in there and rock that Place how much is it
01:08:28
think I play it once yeah it's 20 somewhere around there I did play it once it used to be grand was it the grand old opery or am I being stupid it
01:08:35
was the grand old opery and before that it was a church way way early before that it was a
01:08:40
waterburger well I played it I played it and I came off stage and Cheryl happened
01:08:45
to be there and she goes that was that was good I'm Kidd that was so you really
01:08:51
went out there didn't you she goes oh they're a little tight why do we have all this self lothing what the [ __ ] is
01:08:56
going on here's the one to say Dana when you get when gets off I'm going to go [ __ ] that
01:09:02
crowd I'm going to get in the fetal I thought I did good I thought they liked me no they were tough no that was a hard
01:09:09
crowd man no we'll get them we'll get F position and cry myself to sleep with questions I should have done
01:09:15
better oh no you aren't hey this is the best podcast I've ever done ever thank
01:09:21
you the best we love you you know she's really good on the
01:09:26
she's very straightforward you don't have to play any games I do Paul now I actually write songs as Paul okay when
01:09:34
you interviewed Paul did you do Paul oh yeah did you do it might have done it a
01:09:39
little bit I was a little I couldn't you know I was trying I didn't want to piss him off but I probably interview
01:09:45
paralysis yeah I was like I'm Dana is Yoko I mean there's just so many things
01:09:51
you're scared to say to him because you don't he he seems very light on his feet but he's too respected you can't risk
01:09:58
yeah he he's a sir right yeah he's too it's too big a deal we didn't go there
01:10:04
with sir at first I read a lot of liver puddling phrases so I I said did you have your Brey you Bry but he was just
01:10:11
waking up he had a cup of coffee I don't think he knew what I was T that's breakfast in Lian language a scous you
01:10:19
know we had a good time this is him now you know we did some things we tried he
01:10:24
got into it he got into it toward the end we were getting stuff for me Cheryl it was just electrifying and he wanted
01:10:31
to talk about the Beatles the whole time oh my God I didn't know that the beginning to hear it from the guy all
01:10:38
right so anyway all right let let her go back to everybody loves you you're an
01:10:44
you're uh you're a um a great artist I don't like you don't Legacy what's that
01:10:49
and you know you're in Nashville you're like a teenager yeah you know a teen really
01:10:56
teenag country country music does not have an age that's what's brilliant about it it's true it does not you do
01:11:02
pop rock jet you do every style but you also can do country I have to say I feel
01:11:08
like I'm in my 20s you look that's why I really like doing podcasts because as
01:11:14
far as your listening audience knows I look like I'm in my 20s there I said it you look great your voice is still uh
01:11:21
raspy and sexy and then your your singing is still perfe smoking like a f
01:11:27
you're you stayed really fit even when you were touring I was I was going to ask how you stayed so fit um throughout
01:11:35
your career because using a tour a lot I mean I have to I have to admit um it is
01:11:41
genetic what yes it's genetic I'm from a long line and petite
01:11:48
small petite wiry people so you don't gain weight you just kind of and you work out on stage when you're out there
01:11:54
I work out on stage and I'm very I mean I get up in the morning and I do not sit
01:11:59
down I mean I'm I'm always doing her backstage Rider is five Triscuits in a
01:12:04
slim gym and that's all I get all day that's it and one Five Hour Energy um
01:12:10
that's my actually that's mine uh all right Cheryl let's Let Her Go Dana she's been too nice thank you bye it's good to
01:12:17
see yall we'll see you soon I'm sure in Nashville I hope so call me when you come to Nashville we'll do okay bye H
01:12:23
bye Sher love you love you hey what's up flies what's up fleas
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01:12:41
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01:12:47
look at the question just you tell me what is question this is from Ryan San hi Ryan hi David and Dana okay here it
01:12:52
is for I know you like a little eag boost to start so love the show they did
01:12:58
say that yeah it's funny yeah I was wondering why you both chose standup
01:13:03
over improv and rout to SNL did you consider improv what makes a funny
01:13:09
person more successful at one over the other it's a two-parter yeah okay I
01:13:15
would say improv is harder for me I'm pretty good on my feet but to go those
01:13:21
improv freeze tag games and things you do we would do it at the end of a comedy show once in a blue moon in Arizona at
01:13:27
Anderson's Fifth theate and they would get up to the host and all the comics get up and the crowd would yell out it
01:13:33
was like freeze then you go and then you go oh holy superglue B man you know my hand is stuck here but there was I could
01:13:39
see that they were doing like the same kind of ones well stock Prov I've been have an improv group group open for me
01:13:45
the first night it's like people are yelling out movie Styles like Woody Allen then they all you know you great
01:13:51
no you know and then the next night they yell out W they're all going you know I go this is not improv stock improv yeah
01:13:59
that's hard though it's hard to do improv real improv when I watch Whose Line Is anyway uh it's just different
01:14:04
muscles um standup is one thing it's written mostly and uh improv is improv
01:14:10
but they can both get you on SNL they can both help you and I would say for me I might have if I was in LA and got a
01:14:17
whole or the ground Lanes they didn't have stuff like that in San Francisco so I didn't know about it I think I might have joined it sometimes the problem is
01:14:25
some of the uh not uh top tier ones will say Oh Come audition oh you know you're
01:14:32
really good for 500 you can join this level and then they keep getting 500 go the next level and they're just letting
01:14:37
anyone Amway yeah and it's bring your friend and at the end of that you're out
01:14:42
10 grand but you can go oh holy superglue Batman I was trying to do sketch my whole life but I was in Honky
01:14:48
Tonk Bar so it was like really hard you know uh and it took me three years to to
01:14:55
say I'm going to be another character for a minute and it was like I had sunglasses I was trying to be because
01:15:01
they didn't like it well cuz I was terrified of it was just scary like I had a character called Dana babe oh
01:15:07
you're fabulous it was my first charact I put sunglasses on I was horrible but that's where I got the guts to do sketch
01:15:15
sketch standup I call it all right next week we're going to do a whole half hour on Dana
01:15:20
babe oh flash story that was in the other Cafe and the people who were headlining there got sandwiches and
01:15:27
there was the Dana babe sandwich a that's I'm not kidding I there's a picture somewhere there's a pizza down
01:15:33
at muts in Dana Bay I had big yellow goggle sunglasses all right thank you for that question thank you really
01:15:39
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