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all right our guest today is the one and only Lisa kudro one of America's
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Sweethearts and um she has a new new show out she's in a a show called No
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Good Deed it's on Netflix and uh it's kind of fun it's very interesting I'll
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tell you that it's got Ray Romano in it it's got a great cast uh Linda Cardellini who I I don't
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see much and uh she's great it's a great cast and it's from the people who brought you dead to
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me that's right which was another great show on Netflix and so um looking forward to it she's a really funny
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talented actress super down to earth nice to talk to and we talk about friends and different uh relationships
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and we talk about how she grew up with John litz and she knew John when John was like a little kid that's that's very
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interesting yeah very I it was way back more than I thought farther back than I thought she did the show The Comeback we
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talk about that ROM and Michelle of course it's a classic yeah and you know she was in Analyze This she was in Boss
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baby books smart she's she pops up here and there always working always funny we
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had a great time chatting so please welcome Lisa
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[Music] kudro we are Dana and David you can
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figure out which one is which whenever you Dana and David okay you got it's kind of weird I'm his
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older brother from another mother do you have any doppa lers in Show Business like you know you look
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like or someone saying you know people tell me I look like you no well yeah
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people that come up and say oh my God everyone tells me I like oh okay but
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wait listen to this years ago I was at a restaurant waiting for someone and the
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hostess came over and said are you famous
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I'm not doing the accent I said um funny she said are you Deion
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Warwick are you I a kid a lot uh I used to get David would get me
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I would get David and then I aged out of that and then they say do you know David Spade is my latest did you know him oh
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no what do you mean I go yeah did you uh you're like are you like everybody's kid
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sister in a way kind of you look a little like my sister a little bit oh really well I mean you you know Levitz
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both of you John Levitz yes of course the one and only yes I grew up with John
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he and my brother are best friends David David yeah yes I've heard so much about
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this it' be interesting to hear from your point of view yes the real point of view John's um let's say eccentric dad
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you know who I met a few times and uh David's encouragement to him yeah and
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then you being the kid sister coming out of out of the going into show business so go ahead go you have H you have 30
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[Laughter] minutes um yeah that all sounds right
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yeah um well explain John then to John now just as a personality there's no
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difference that's there's absolutely no difference at 10year old John did you meet him at 10
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old they're six years older than me if I was three they were nine so you met that
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far back yeah oh I at our house all the time I mean so at home he could just
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walk in go to the kitchen cookie drawer grab stuff you know and he you have any
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brownies oh you don't have the uh other cookies
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yeah Lisa sorry about your attitude yes when when did this guy come in I mean
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the 40s guy was that there when he was like 10 or something hello well I don't
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remember when I was three what any but later on he was 14 yes because he would
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call up and we shared the kids shared a phone and it would be and and hello oh
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hello is this Lisa yeah hi John do you want to talk to
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David wait and he would do some very long bit I kept saying can I just get
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David can I just get David for you yeah that's just terrible always funny always
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has spin on a joke you and then wait you get older didn't you go but was he no I
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didn't you didn't get older I'm kidding was it John love it so you were like
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didn't you go to uh improv same place he did or no well yeah because then when I
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graduated college I told him yeah I think I'm gonna try acting
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now um and he said oh okay listen Okay
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the because look you know I studied in college and everywhere but the place I learned the most was the Groundlings
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that's where I learned the most you have to learn improv it's listen and responding it's the most important thing
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in acting and he was right and um and they wouldn't let me take classes
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because I hadn't performed or done anything since junior high school do you
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have to have a resz a little bit to get in there I don't know this was like 1985 86 you have a beginners class right and
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that's kind of you you have to audition you keep gradu I know our viewers are freaking
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out right now geez yeah I thought they were just sort sort of screening you know but they wouldn't even let me
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audition for the ground did you have as a little kid did you have any kind of Whimsy in your head like maybe maybe I'm
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funny or maybe I could do this was it was it a secret or did you tell your parents you tell David or or was it just
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no I I mean yeah as a kid I did want to act I thought yeah I did and my family
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everyone was funny and I was the youngest so I was the least funny how
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many kids uh three okay yeah five in five in ours I had three older brothers and a
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younger sister funny parents yeah were you the funny one or was were everybody
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everybody was funny but that was more my specialty because I was doing Little
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impressions oh yeah in the early 60s gross attention
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seeker uh I was an introverted extroverted an extrovert introvert I see you as kindred spirit I don't think
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you're you're on or I don't see you as always on you know no no no no I'm not
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always on but when you're on you're funny as hell oh thanks well there's
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evidence Hunter we've got some evidence let's look at it let's go to the tape
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season five of friends go to the phon you've lost your bicycle the exit is
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breathtaking no but I also would imitate um Lily Tomlin doing Edith Anne oh my
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gosh of course I would you know like I would I would offer my entertainment
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services at school I I offered to go from class to class I worked out with
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like scarves to do like the dream tevia dream from Fiddler on the road oh yikes
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and I offered graciously you pitch this to a teacher
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classrooms SK I put together this thing should I just do it for the class and
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she went sure and I did and I said now I could do this for all the other classes I've got my bath and I can go like what
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was wrong with me yeah something's wrong or how wonderful how wonderful that's how I look at it like be so confident
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you know and she went sure go to CL she's like kill five minutes of class I
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don't care like were you consistently confident throughout the grades did you have years where you're the star and
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other years you're a little down or was it just consistently you were like one of the most popular Co kids I don't
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think I was one of the most popular I mean in grade school I was confident and yeah I had friends and I was like I'm
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gonna start a David Cassidy fan club everyone's invited and the moms would come everyone talked to me like I was an
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adult I didn't understand but everyone treated me like I was a little older and
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I think it's because of my brother and sister sister and being older and I had
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their I stole their sense of humor and their jokes and you know I was going to say that because I was going to say I'm
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three boys in our family and I have to say there's everyone's a little bit funny and I'm more like a research paper
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like a compilation because you can always borrow like from your life so
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this happened with Chris Farley like his brothers would go that that thing he does is mine it's like well he got on TV
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and he's reaching for straws at a certain point he's like that thing was funny that and you know yeah he had the
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guts to take it public yeah most people aren't using it actively so you just go
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I can borrow what my mom says you know it's like it's funny to me but so you're like yeah you got little things here and
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your parents were funny is that what you said yeah my dad was very funny yeah he bigal he was really funny
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and uh that makes it fun to be fun or try to make him laugh when you're little yeah well I mean I didn't make anyone
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laugh oh but um you know sadly I thought
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you were killing it at school with the at school yeah at school oh at school tougher Crow did your brother ever put
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you in a sleeping bag and then tie it off and leave you there no oh well that happened to my wife so I was just
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curious no no David's no my they were good to me I mean unless everyone was
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fighting you know but for the most because I mean didn't siblings always try to kill each other it felt like yeah
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most of my childhood with three older brothers was cut it out yeah cut it out stop
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yeah uh but mostly it was rough and tumble fun I mean we we had movies that
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were touchstones because there was no VCRs or anything you know if what was your like my sister was obsessed with
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Splender in the grass with LA batty and Natalie Wood oh and it came on once a year and she commandeered the television
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did did you have stuff in your formative years that was just mind-blowing besides your crush on David Cassidy which my
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wife also had a mad Crush yeah Cassie I did um I played David Cassie on an SNL
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right wow you played everything on an SNL
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sketch very well by the way so much fun yeah um
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but uh my sister you know she's the oldest she's eight years older than me
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and and she she would we would watch Father Knows Best and Leave it to
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Beaver yes reruns and she had to sneak Leave it to Beaver because my father
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when she was younger wouldn't let her watch it because that's [ __ ] that's not what people are like that's not what
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a family is stop it yeah that's pretty advanced in because they were too nice
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to each other yeah they were too like formal and nice oh well gee well gee
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whiz like that infuriated him well golly Wally yeah that guy was the original
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Garth I just figured out and I have the same birthday as Jerry Mathers but oh really he kind of talked like G didn't
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he hey goly Wy I don't know what you're doing by the way and the matters lived
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in our neighborhood and Shawn matters was in my class whoa the younger younger
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brother of Jerry yeah I always sort of you seem a little more you just always
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seem very together to me that's why people feel like you're older when you're younger because something about
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you seem like you're very together and suffer no fools so I oh I yeah I don't
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know but you've suffered some fools along the way I think I'm generous with fools you two right here well well
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you've been generous to me so far I won't connect the dots no I've been nervous to do this because you guys are
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are legends crazy oh good yeah um has anyone called you a legend yet the
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Legend come no nobody not even John not
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to my face no yeah no John certainly hasn't but John's been very sweet and
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generous and good I have to say I think proud of PR to tell the story and I said
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do this and do this and then she went there you know he loves to be the person advising it's a a role that he really
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enjoys he loves that story I've heard so much defitely talk your brother David on
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the phone a few times where John has put him on say hello to David he's a
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doctor it's May West it's 1940s I mean it's both but anyway it's
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it's nice to have someone that's in the business that you could ask questions to like Saturday live is a huge deal you're
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just auditioning and then you you're like what's it like just doing this or just auditions and readings and you know
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I don't know how to cold read like when I started I had no one really to go to it's good to have someone it's been there yeah well I mean the good thing
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John said was Groundlings listen respond don't take them personally because some
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of them are kind of unhappy and that was true I saw that I saw because then he
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got on Saturday Night Live and there were one or two groundings because I thought you know it's okay to say like
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so what brought you here I said oh well I grew up with John Levitz and and they went oh okay oh yeah so bitter that he
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not on Saturday oh bitter and envious you know that is the thing about show business no matter
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what except Murphy or something most of us needed a break or had something had to happen yeah um and there's Whimsy to
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that and you know people I know so many standups great standups not famous had
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good careers in the clubs but just didn't get did some Pilots went on The Tonight Show but didn't get that little
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turn so it breeds um weirdness right so why not me
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or that wasn't deserved if someone else got it and I didn't which is I that
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always has that always mystified me like what do you mean I mean even if you
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think it's all luck then you know why not them and not you this time how about
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you just think this time I used to go on showcases at The Improv like Dana did like they'd say we're gonna bring a cat
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they're doing a sitcom whatever they're going to look at they want to look at 10 comics and this is sort of the look
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female male whatever and we do it and someone would get it and I'd always be practicing going why them just in case I
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didn't get it and then uh but it's true like it's like it's hard to complain when it's an even playing field like you
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all went on in front of them yeah and they go that one and you go wait how do I figure out how I'm the victim here
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I'll figure it out though and all you can control is trying to get better it sounds like a Hallmark movie but all you
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can control is just try to get better yourself
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[Music] did you have nightmare auditions before friends that humiliated you and made you
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think maybe it's not going to happen no not the auditions didn't make me think it's not going to happen but but I had
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one nightmare audition I finally I was so excited because I got to audition for Larry
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Sanders with Gary Shandling great and then whoever else was in the room and I
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thought okay great I know I'll improvise a little too and yeah and I think and I
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I don't remember exactly what I did but I scared uh Gary I know
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that what was there sides or did he just do his thing of I'll say something like this and you say something like that I
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don't I'm trying to remember because I was just sort of the character was Janine
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Garo ultimately did it which is right well that was there for full-time
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character yeah and I remember um cuz I
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knew how to audition I had a great cold reading class and audition class which was just you're not there to make
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friends you're not there to chitchat you're there to do the audition be polite and everything and then just get
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going and so it sort of I said something and he Gary made sort of like a joke and I
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played along as an improviser with the sort of like oh now we're in a fight you know what I mean something I
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see yeah and um and he just went okay should we read it and I said yeah
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absolutely yeah we did it and he said okay well thank
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you and we'll we'll we'll be in touch and I went all right thank you very much
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and I walked out I'm walking down the hall I heard the door open and I turned around and he was
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there going oh okay bye-bye we will be in touch we really will and I was that I thought what did I
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scare him what happened what did I do I was playing oh they didn't know I was playing is that what did you ever run
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into Gary after friends and everything and he does he remember did he ever remember that I forgot to ask him but I
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did run into him um I ran into him after we had our first day of auditions for
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this HBO show I did called The Comeback oh yes and HBO and Chris alre and
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Carolyn Strauss they had no idea what we were pitching just write it we wrote it and they said we still don't get it why
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don't we just shoot it because back when you're Michael pantri King who I was
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working with Texas City we'll just shoot a pilot okay great so when we had the
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auditions for The Pilot that's the first time they saw me as the character
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because it didn't read right on the page like it was hilarious but then they saw
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me doing it and um so after that I went to something I can't remember what and
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Gary Shanley was there anyone oh I talked to Chris alre today he says
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he said you're brilliant oh that's good to know that's
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really good yeah and I thought oh good so yeah I didn't feel like bringing up I
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think they scared you yeah I think that was smart I mean Gary was a really complicated and he was he was hard
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harder on himself than anybody else and I was doing Larry Sanders once I did it a few times and he just writes on a
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piece of paper and just hands it to me you know between takes and it just says I hate
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myself funny but it was just yeah um torture comeback was also
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like it was sort of like a curb type that was type that type right it wasn't
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improvised at all oh it wasn't it seemed like that's of the camera stuff maybe it
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was like that it was sort of like handeld something Cinema ver the office did it kind of yeah it was right after
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the British off the office oh right oh before there was one before the American
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office what's going on you know nothing you are nothing
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sorry you can't get you can't ever get him out of his last Golden Globes you cannot get that out of your mind it's
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one of the Great Moments in television when he says you know nothing you are nothing thank your God and [ __ ] off and
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now the show anyway when you do the comeback do you so that is that it looks
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like it's right after friends so yeah was right after friends and it's with uh you said Saxon City Patrick King is that
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Michael Patrick King yeah and so you you get to that must it must have felt fun a
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to do something new and to do something sort of a little loose and a little rougher on the edges right maybe and it
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was something no one had seen before it was meant to just be raw footage from a
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reality show um so that you can see just the Folly of this woman
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thinking she's gonna control it it's her show and you know um just throwing
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herself into a meat grinder for to stay in the spotlight yes um yeah and not
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understanding what a reality show actually is and that was before Housewives there was just Anna Nicole
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and uh the osborns the Osborne seemed like the first one I remember that went
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huge yeah yeah that was an inspired idea at the time it was it was very interesting I think people would talk a
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lot about it because it was just it's always great when you get idea a little bit out of the blue that everyone goes
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oh okay yeah yeah no that was very it was that was very very rewarding I have
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to say I mean because you done the six season whatever you did all that with the live audience which brings its it's
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rock and roll and all its pressure and then you do this whole new thing it must have felt really good like oh yeah I can
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also do this just so you know it was a different tone yeah and luckily while I was doing friends I was doing
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independent films a lot which was fun because there are no Stakes at all yeah
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and uh yeah you know especially in your day job as friends yes oh darn I hope it does well we have
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one to go back see you guys in 26 weeks in fact I thought and when I'm done with friends I mean I'll just do independent
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films and then they went away because and now it's all Liv live
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streaming in a sense that's streaming yeah you're might as well bring it up no
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good deed oh yeah Ray Romano who was on this podcast oh yeah we love Romano that
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must have been fun yeah he he's a gentle giant like I was surpr how
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self-deprecating he is and how open he is because he's a big guy you know yeah
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and he does not wear that on his sleeve at all he's just very real yeah he claims to be insecure and you know well
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and he Pro he might be but we were talking once and I said but you're not
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mean to anybody like a most insecure performers find someone or something to
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blame everything on right like oh yeah you didn't give me the right lines or you know yeah that stuff or some stooge
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to [ __ ] on occasionally and just little put Downs yeah you leverage their power
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over you know that that character right he but that's not Ry doesn't do that and he said oh no that's because I I think
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I'm to blame for everything also I think he really sinks into these
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things he's not just doing it to kill time like we were doing the Mirage Dana knows we were doing like a both of us
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were not sort of residency doing standup but he gets into like these Indie movies and like this thing it's just good
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little things and he really puts a lot of heart and soul into them it feels like to me yeah and and wants them all
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really to do well like really into it instead of just like I'll do this I'll do a week on this if you pay me it's
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more like let's get into it nail it yeah yeah no I think he has a reason for everything he chooses to do mhm yeah you
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had a Luke on there I was just watching in the other room because I hadn't seen it I go oh shoot let's go check it out
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and I was there's Luke and there's uh everywhere you turned I was like oh good oh Dennis lirry I saw oh yeah and and uh
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how fun he used to be uh I used to know him a little more in the old days but so how fun is it that's that's a fun thing
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to do and you did it for and it's on right now because I'm watching it right now yeah on Netflix it's on net now and
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will you introduce the premise I I research the premise of the show which is very interesting me yeah yeah you oh
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yeah okay I could do it but I it's tough to explain I there's a
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couple who uh empty nesters they're selling their house and um right so far
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seems I know it seems to be yeah the details we get into later
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there's some Secrets yeah surrounding the house and their life
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there and then you have the people who come to the open house and desperately
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want this house and whatever is going on in their life that somehow intersects
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each story couple yeah and the producer of dead to me which had its own I I love that show I
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did too I and I thought uh whoever is the Mind behind that and also Christine
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alade and yeah the name of her partner was so good is also on this Linda calini
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yeah I yes is always phenomenally good always phenomenal um always and so I'm
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assuming the sensibility overlap different storyline different everything but I did see one of the clips where
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you're in the kitchen and you're kind of waving the what knife around yeah he goes Put The Knife down and it was just
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very smart dry weird but real kind of dialogue yeah like just put the knife
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down what I'm going to stab you you so I saw uh kind of the tone in that moment
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you know yeah yeah I think we kind of played with that one Ray and I sure oh
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good they're taking advantage of that you sort of Let's Make It Real and surprise ourselves in the moment well
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it's nice if they trust you to let you you know and aren't to like but no the
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script you know I don't think people listening know that it's not always the case to have the gift of running with
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something sometimes it's script script script move on and then you go do you want me to try something they're like
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nope we're good yeah like so when you see it it always feels looser if you
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just feel a little more into it if take advantage of the digital cameras I mean going back for just a second on
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chandling he had three 16 mimer cameras on shoulder so there was single on me
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single on him and a two shot so every take was its own take every take could
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be improvised overlapped it was all there every time and so I just wondered did they have a camera on Ray and a
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camera on you or was it uh they go well that was a good impro improv uh can you repeat it well come around on you or
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they manag to shoo so just I think there were two cameras and we may have done it more
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than once because we did it probably did it once and then it was yeah do that thing again I think I don't have a good
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memory for that stuff because once I'm done I move on no none now you know when
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you when this thing comes about do you does it perk up your ears because of the
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dead to me part of it like though this is this person did this so you're already sort of intrigued and then you
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want to read it and then you're more intrigued is that is that sort of the way it goes it should have been but
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actually it was it was so this is something exciting we think said the
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agents it's um they said a limited series on Netflix and it's Liz Feldman
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who did I said dead to me I know who that is I love that show yes and playing
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your husband would be Ray Romano and I went wanted to work with Ray Romano oh
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my God that's been like a dream it's like well dreams come true um and so far
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Linda Cardellini is in it and I went what that yeah work with Linda so I said
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I guess I should read it but do I have to because it's yes do I have to it's
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already and did you have to yeah no it's a good thing I read it because I read
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the first episode and then I had a meal with Liz where I had a lot of questions and I went I'm basically saying yes to
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what has my character done I'm not sure we leave it did you have a read through did you get every
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when everyone got together did you read the pilot in a room yeah I always find that I haven't done that much of it very
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nerve-wracking because like you know she's gonna bring it man are you kidding me we got the A Team here you're
00:29:34
thinking what's the puzzle how am I gonna say these lines well that's yeah that's how I felt that is EXA everyone
00:29:40
usually is nervous at that thing everyone's nervous yeah well because also I mean young people get nervous too
00:29:47
because they weren't around in the days when you would do a read through at a pilot and then get
00:29:53
fired based on the poor performance in the read through I've been in a pil
00:29:58
they don't even do that many read throughs anymore and what should I do but when I was I read for this pilot
00:30:04
it's was like basic ABC whatever and then they go read through is great and the next day they're like Hey where's
00:30:09
this guy oh they got fired there's a new person playing them I'm like from yesterday what happened read through
00:30:15
they're like oh they bombed I'm like they did like you don't even notice you're like what are they looking at I
00:30:20
don't even know that's what scares me like how about a rehearsal and a run through yeah to see if they bombed yeah
00:30:27
let's see give them one more goddamn swing at it like it's terrifying you hired them yeah from something quick
00:30:35
decisions it's oh and then what was your first day of shooting with Ray did you have your scripts in your hand let's
00:30:41
let's get it on its feet people are quiet everybody all right we got Lisa number one number two are going to run
00:30:47
lines all right go ahead anytime going to mark this one and then you do it five times in a row there's a little titters
00:30:54
from the crew and then less and less and then finally just dead silence ready to shoot it your confidence is to We Beat
00:31:01
It To Death let's shoot it yeah beat it to death will be the sequel to No Good
00:31:07
Deed Beat It To Death dead to me no good deed Beat It To Death that's so that's
00:31:14
funny I wanted to make it clear for your listening audience yeah well we won't
00:31:21
give too much more away of that but uh titles are tough but it's on Netflix right now yeah and all eight shows are
00:31:27
available you can binge it tonight if you want and it is good I mean it is
00:31:33
bingeable someone was talking about the other night and then it's got like 89%
00:31:39
of Rotten Tomatoes yeah it got 102% Rotten Tomatoes yeah it's it's it's
00:31:44
fabulous extra tomatoes came
00:31:50
in I want to ask you a little bit about Romy and Michelle because I know you get
00:31:56
it a lot but uh it's such a such a big one especially when it came out and you must still hear
00:32:03
about it all the time it was such a cool one you still have Halloween costumes girl I love it when when you do
00:32:09
something that's a Halloween costume it's so fun yeah yeah that is fun and when was that what was that was
00:32:15
97 is that it said 97 yeah uh maybe
00:32:22
96 movie that's right around when movies were like such it's so
00:32:28
had to do opening weekend wow it was number two it was amazing even my looks
00:32:34
like it was number one I don't know Titanic something with a car chase
00:32:39
in it I think I don't know Fast and Furious one that was before Titanic the
00:32:45
Vin Diesel story it was a doc yeah but I remember doing talk shows for that and it was um like you know what I like
00:32:53
about this Jay Leno actually who's very nice and yeah and well I'll say it and
00:32:59
then you can he'll do J um and he said you know what I like about this that
00:33:04
it's it's two women but it's not you're not man bashing you know it's just it's two women and you're funny and it's fun
00:33:10
and it's not against [Laughter] men you know I like about this and that
00:33:17
you know you're not man bashing you know it's just two women having fun you're not bashing the men and it's just a
00:33:22
great little movie you know I mean I I thought it was tremendous I thought it was tremendous there was no man fashing at all I'll say it one more time and
00:33:28
then I'll let you talk no man bashing in the whole thing you know you got to be careful with the man bashing because you
00:33:34
don't know what you going to I got a little silly that's so funny but I mean yeah
00:33:43
but it wasn't about men it's a big victory that was that's that was your Victory listen we didn't man bashing was
00:33:52
Louise men back I'm thinking were there were abusive men and predatory men oh
00:33:58
yeah oh in that way so tellman we had Brad Pit seducing Sarah SAR Susan Saran
00:34:05
or something or but they were escaping a bad husband another okay it's as if like
00:34:12
right that's not fair because that never happens yeah wait no it happens a lot I
00:34:19
mean like this quite a bit where the estranged husband is not happy and he
00:34:24
has a weapon right I mean if woman yeah who's her husband who's her
00:34:30
boyfriend you know that's the first place you look but um y but it was just funny to me that it still needed to be
00:34:38
contextualized like in relation to men yeah yes yeah
00:34:43
and uh it was very you know what I get about most of my comedies is you know what I like it's so [ __ ] dumb that's
00:34:51
what we need yeah but we do I know I love it believe me I'm doing one right now
00:34:58
um it's hard but R thank you was clever cute fun and a smart little comedy that
00:35:06
you know and then I don't know so you do it and you don't I don't you might not expect a lot you don't know what to expect it does well right I expect a lot
00:35:12
it did fine it could have done better if it weren't rated R oh was it rated R oh
00:35:19
PG-13 is the way to go I thought that was a huge mistake and it was that movie
00:35:26
I don't remember one thing about it Galo said [ __ ] off I think two times or three
00:35:32
times or something one and you get an R I think and the big stand was I'm not changing Janine gara's [ __ ] offs and I
00:35:40
went I don't think she'd mind think she wouldn't care if it's holding back
00:35:46
another million it's like 40% of the of the net profit what are you g to do
00:35:52
unless it's just a cause make a movie called [ __ ] off you know and do that the
00:35:57
it I 14-year-old girls would have gone maybe more than once toie by themselves
00:36:04
to would come over and over because they all wanted to be those characters I
00:36:10
watched it and when I heard R I went okay who do you think this movie's for
00:36:16
though yeah 100% I can't 30y old men
00:36:22
right who goes over and over you get lucky they go over and over and that's young women would have gone to see that
00:36:27
yeah I thought that was a mistake personally th% my God PG-13 is the move
00:36:32
remember Greece is the move PG-13 is the move but I don't know I don't know Grace is the word grace is the word have you
00:36:39
like so you you grew up in the 90s as a star I'm sorry gree is the move it's the
00:36:46
move it's the move okay um yeah John travol was an incredible businessman I
00:36:53
think he got he got he got some publishing on that and also on uh cuz he
00:36:59
he came around and hung out he's a super nice guy prob the nicest guy in Show Business potentially I've ever met I
00:37:06
mean we all went to we all went to Bruce uh no Tom hanks's birthday party up at
00:37:11
um in up on uh whatever the planetarium
00:37:16
in oh Griffith Park Observatory and everyone was there and you you'd say hello to someone you could tell they're
00:37:23
like oh my God I'm talking to you right now but Springsteen's over there they were panic you know so and travolto just
00:37:29
wanted to hang out with us and talk about airplanes cuz I have a fear of flying he goes you know their planes
00:37:35
only as safe as its maintenance you know but anyway he was just a great he is a
00:37:41
great guy guy like I always see that picture of his house with a 747 in the
00:37:47
driveway I made it big because he pulls out he goes going to work
00:37:52
H 7:47 yeah in 707 707 from 19 longer but
00:38:00
yes yeah I flew on his plane oh you did and he was flying it I did a movie with
00:38:08
himar what was it what was the name of the movie fever no yeah yes you don't
00:38:13
remember me um Michael the angel the Angel movie no no no no no but Nora
00:38:19
Efron directed it was called lucky numbers I think what was it called I'm
00:38:25
looking to see if I have anything but anyway it didn't do well the one
00:38:31
Norah Efron John travolto movie God dang nor too it didn't do well but I got to work
00:38:38
with him and he is the nicest yeah something about him so
00:38:43
because it's it's not about him yeah and he
00:38:49
didn't like how big he was I've always found it was interesting that
00:38:54
Tarantino because he he did the talking dog moov movies with Kirsty Al but he was like he was baby the talking baby
00:39:02
yeah talking baby and he was so so huge with Urban Cowboy and all oh then
00:39:08
Tarantino you know the studio is like you know you want Travolta really you
00:39:14
know and he said he knew because he would walk around La with Travolta and it was still stop traffic people would
00:39:21
swarm goodl looking tall St but what about Sate fever and gree almost back to back and you go I think it was back to
00:39:27
back and and the hugest hit and then another monster hit both with music both
00:39:33
crazy right and then Urban Cowboy and then and then face off and then face
00:39:40
off huge everything talking everything I mean yeah and then Pulp Fiction kind of
00:39:48
put him in this other kind of lane and then he went from there but anyway yeah uh John if you're listening you're
00:39:53
always welcome to come on and we'll just talk about yeah a Deborah wing will say what what was what was that all
00:40:00
about that's iring Cowboy yeah I saw your ont stupid Instagram I saw your um
00:40:07
Urban Cowboy with de Winger sketch and you played roller like two days ago and
00:40:12
uh that was I'm talking to Dana and then Lisa I saw I even forgot that I did oh
00:40:17
with Deborah Winger yeah friends friends is so big I saw a Instagram today about
00:40:23
you guys splitting a check and I saw it an hour before this I'm like splitting a
00:40:28
check well you were like in the in the real show you're trying you're deciding
00:40:34
it was show 10869 oh yes 10869 yes that one was a
00:40:40
great one that was one of the good ones yeah and uh you're deciding what to pay and I'm like it's still I mean you don't
00:40:46
have to talk about it too much but it still keeps going and going we don't yeah it does it does the gift he keeps
00:40:52
giving did you ever wear a disguise like at Peak friends of
00:40:58
too famous too famous did you ever did any of the cast ever wear disguise not
00:41:03
that I know of yeah okay no I don't think so I mean also it wasn't so bad
00:41:09
for me because I'm I'm married to a person who's not in this
00:41:16
business so there's no sort of interest in there wasn't any interest in how's
00:41:23
that couple doing [Laughter] oh out there with the tabl so you're not
00:41:29
on Daily Mail a lot I've noticed and is that a disappointment at all no don't
00:41:35
follow you we all you kind of think everyone's out in the tabloids but it's really kind of similar characters a lot
00:41:42
and then you realize oh so many people are not pursuing that path of celebrity uh
00:41:49
within their career and you forget about them you forget they even exist yeah just their work you know yeah that's
00:41:56
okay too yeah some lean into it and some some you can't totally avoid it but some
00:42:02
really lean into it and some tip off more people tip off and regular people no because really are they at the
00:42:09
bowling alley and there's five photographers there like why and also there are certain restaurants if you go
00:42:15
to them no there will be Paparazzi there yeah they they'll call then to be fair there are some people and you know if
00:42:22
something's going on in your life you know they just stalk you yeah they wait
00:42:28
in front of the house to to yeah see where you're going to go and what you're going to do that's definitely legit yeah
00:42:35
that that that does happen I think to a lot of people for sure that's hor horrible you know you the um to be nice
00:42:43
to people don't know what show business is and they're you're at some school function and they sadle up and hey how
00:42:49
do you how do you make that friends type show you know what do you what do you you know those kind of nice sweet people
00:42:55
are really just interested in wanting to say the right thing they just you know well we rehearse a lot I didn't get a
00:43:02
lot of that but you know what I get a lot of oh yeah I don't know I didn't
00:43:08
watch uh that show why did they always say that really want to let you know and
00:43:14
I always say oh sure yeah I know a lot of people there are plenty of people who you know didn't watch TV it's like no I
00:43:21
mean I watched okay I liked Seinfeld a lot but and one time it was and it's a
00:43:28
good friend too who said but that was that was more of a that was more of a girl show wasn't it
00:43:35
friends no I don't think so was it you know I asked my husband he's like no it
00:43:40
was small guys too three of us were guys yeah some people liked Wayne's
00:43:46
World it wasn't my cup of tea I'll tell you that who no has anyone ever oh yeah
00:43:52
you just get all kind I guess you get all kinds oh yeah no I don't watch those kinds of movies
00:43:57
not my thing you know but I guess I guess some people really did like it are you from Canada I think so I have I'll
00:44:03
have to check my driver's L but um yeah it's uh show is just a a funny thing and
00:44:09
when you get inside of it you you just see all the how the gears move and the
00:44:15
security and you know you're on a sound stage somewhere and it looks all greasy and ugly and stupid and then you see it
00:44:21
later in the film it's all shiny and yeah color corrected and so it's it's a show think there are people who just
00:44:28
want to let you know like I'm not a fan so you can trust me yeah I'm
00:44:33
not right I don't want anything I don't want anything I'm not a fan I couldn't care less that you were famous and on TV
00:44:40
I just like you I don't care about celebrities as the number one person that cares about celebrities that's the first Telltale and do you host
00:44:47
fundraisers do you do that kind of stuff I have for things I'm involved in you
00:44:53
know yeah yeah I do that do you have do you have shtick do you have like you
00:44:59
don't always thing from grade school yeah T's dream
00:45:07
everybody Dana when I was on just shoot me it was right around the time of friends and yeah when I heard they were
00:45:13
getting Favored Nations I was hoping it meant all sitcoms so we'd all get the
00:45:19
same whatever they got turns out it was not no that was hard to
00:45:25
get oh yeah well I mean they wanted nothing more than for us to split up and divide and
00:45:31
conquer whoever whoever thought of that was was smart keep keep the team yeah
00:45:37
you know it was Courtney or Schwimmer depending on I'm thinking who
00:45:42
you're talking to yeah but Courtney's pretty smart yeah about stuff she worked
00:45:50
a little she I don't know her trajectory exactly I remember from the Springsteen videos when she rocketed out you know
00:45:57
right she probably may had a little more experience well she was on Family Ties
00:46:02
and then she was a right but I think the first minute she made any money she bought a house and then was flipping
00:46:10
houses and I think maybe more doing that if I had
00:46:17
money I love when show bus's people leverage their income and make money
00:46:22
yeah and take care of themselves she is so smart I mean ALS also just like with
00:46:27
blocking we would block scenes and you'd be stuck and Courtney would say well you should just stand over there and you do
00:46:33
that and that way it's easier and and she was always right you need somebody she was also the
00:46:40
one when we were first like shooting the pilot or I don't know if it was then or got picked up she said listen y'all I
00:46:46
did Seinfeld they help each other all the time like if you think I could be doing something funnier tell me you got
00:46:54
to tell me and we need to help each other out so that set a tone that I
00:47:01
think carried through the whole 10 years for us that's really cool yeah otherwise it
00:47:09
can get you know I mean David you've been on shows where it can get tense among casts don't
00:47:18
normally love each other also if things happen or someone gets more money or someone gets more jokes or some there's
00:47:24
always trouble even photo shoots are weird sometimes yeah so many little things you
00:47:30
don't see coming and you go itchy itchy yeah but you're all H and know it was it
00:47:36
was different sorry go ahead I was saying like and just shoot me even though it wasn't obviously friend show
00:47:42
but we did about seven years and and and George seagull Wendy M we had all done
00:47:48
stuff yeah and also had good and bad things and so Evan was like at a point
00:47:53
where like we're really lucky so it was a little easier to get through it all because we appreciated it we were like
00:48:00
hey this could to go away tomorrow and so I think it might be harder for you guys because when you're one of your
00:48:08
first things if not your first thing is so monstrous yeah I don't know how you think nothing else could be like this
00:48:13
it's too good you go and then I'll do this and it'll be it then it just it just seems a weird weird world to to
00:48:20
deal with yeah I mean we did all fully appreciate that was the other rare thing
00:48:29
CU we we would check in and check each other all the time you know um and we
00:48:39
had to answer to each other if we were going to create a disturbance you know
00:48:44
like I got to do this is that all right with you guys if I leave early and my stand in does that you
00:48:51
know it was it was it was great to be accountable everyone was accountable to
00:48:57
everybody else and then we'd all go off and like they'd let us which was really nice go do a movie and you know you come
00:49:04
back and shoot your pickups of stuff and and everyone would say well I'll tell
00:49:10
you one thing movie making is for the [ __ ] Birds because no one's running up offering me
00:49:16
a sandwich there here great craft service and you know we rehearse most of
00:49:23
the time the more you do unreal yeah it's like the more you do it the more you get paid and the fewer
00:49:31
hours I think it was either David's Spade or Tony Danza that told me that he
00:49:36
got it down to 17 hours I don't know it was not straight a week you know just
00:49:42
for the read through the thing the blocking just um Will and Grace got pretty tight they were across from us
00:49:49
and uh and they got very I was jealous I'm going to lunch they're all lit driving away in their Porsches I'm like guys this is a half day they like no
00:49:55
this is our whole day and I'm like you're joking wow well I think also they had Jim Burrows most of them
00:50:03
right so yeah I mean they knew what they were doing and then they probably had early run
00:50:10
throughs yeah early run throughs the writers like it right they write a draft you you run it through and then they
00:50:16
they don't really need you for a while like okay now we're going to go work it falls on them but at first they would
00:50:22
have us do the run throughs at like 5 because they wanted to be in the writer's room
00:50:27
most of the day and then come see it but then they'd have to do all the rewrites that night so then they'd be up really
00:50:38
[Music] late we got ours down at 1:00 on like a Wednesday to shoot on Friday and then so
00:50:44
you come in rehearse go through everything once run through and you split but did you do a Monday read
00:50:49
through or a first day readr whenever you shot we did we did the first seven
00:50:55
years I think and then they had we also would shoot they'd have a start at like 6 or
00:51:03
seven at night on a Friday how late you go till like two in the morning oh [ __ ]
00:51:10
really yeah and it it took six
00:51:16
hours to shoot our CH shoot our show um they did a lot of rewrites because the
00:51:23
audience I guess would get tired of a joke so oh okay well maybe I don't know
00:51:28
they just wanted it to be as good as it could be we have hair and makeup changes sometimes you know I don't know busload
00:51:34
of Youth prisoners in the audience they would go hey they didn't like it I'm like well we liked it all week we can't
00:51:40
totally go by them I know I would think it's a there this is for a television audience though yeah it's not the people
00:51:47
that would come here yeah and also you guys had more pressure because it's a bigger it's probably a little more
00:51:52
overthought because it's a big deal how does this fit in people like this joke I could see that going a little longer it
00:52:00
it took I mean it was sort of notorious for taking a lot of time to would you get
00:52:08
fidgety no no and luckily we were all you know young so and you knew it was
00:52:14
your hard night you know ahead of time this is going to be the yeah and we knew but to it got to me when I was pregnant
00:52:20
and felt like I had a flu for seven months and then to be there 2 in the
00:52:25
morning it was that was that's tough a little too tough my husband had to come
00:52:31
drive me home a couple times sure I get it and then I think we just said how
00:52:36
about we start earlier someone got that where was Courtney earlier
00:52:42
yeah yeah and and we were told yeah I don't know if we can get the audience
00:52:49
and Friends really people can get off work
00:52:54
if they have tickets to the show and people fly here on vacation to see the show for pretty sure so we would we
00:53:03
started earlier and then um we'd have two audiences oh you oh wow no one can sit
00:53:12
for that long and watch you throw [ __ ] jelly beans Pizza piz is the
00:53:18
stock thing that goes out yeah I yeah the audience warm-up guy that guy gets
00:53:24
burned out oh can you imagine six hours he had to keep everybody I would hear it
00:53:30
they'd go hey and there's David Spade come say hi and I'm like don't make me come I'm running my life ybaa do and
00:53:36
then they say hey do this and then but you know you feel for the crowd would you would you I'd go over yeah yeah
00:53:43
because they they're there they're super tired I don't even know if we gave him
00:53:48
Pizza I don't know what happened this guy had a million six hours oh yeah we had to give him Pizza give him something
00:53:54
let him live a hard candy a butterscotch wasn't going to be enough I don't think
00:54:00
we got a bowl of Skittles don't forget it's at the bottom of the stairs Skittles don't go crazy though when when
00:54:08
did Peak TV end I mean was Big Bang Theory the last water cooler show or was
00:54:13
it friends or I think the maybe it was the last kind of big big Network sitcom
00:54:21
I think soens now you get like maybe eight 800 people or whatever it is they
00:54:28
best been renewed with a 1.1 0.8 yeah amazing but I think they
00:54:34
want more to try to make multi cameras work again just because you know it's on
00:54:40
a stage it's not as expensive to shoot and it travels really well something
00:54:47
about it works it's been working for years it's been working for 50 years so 60 70 like it can but you know what it
00:54:54
always seemed to me things that didn't work we're usually
00:54:59
missing um funny people and good jokes right
00:55:05
good joke writers you know need it it's pretty basic good it works you know it is basic but family was a good big one
00:55:14
too that was one of the yeah but it wasn't in front of an audience it wasn't oh that's right that's right that's and
00:55:20
it also had the docu sitch you're like and also that's not really what we're talking about
00:55:26
right now and I'm like yep I just kep what documentary is this yeah I know
00:55:32
who's watching this 10year documentary about this dumb family I've been in
00:55:37
situations on a movie where the the the Brain Trust is around the camera and there's a take and they're beside
00:55:43
they're bent over like it's the funniest thing and I go we're so [ __ ] it's over
00:55:49
the brain or dailies they used to have the Brain Trust is like oh my God you're like no this is death you can tell
00:55:56
bombing bomb but although I have to say I'm not a great judge like when I see
00:56:02
something and I think GH that's too broader I don't know if that's very good
00:56:07
and then it's you know the audience's favorite thing that's ever happened ever happened there is that element of Comedy
00:56:14
where you're like really that was the one that killed yeah or you do a show like a movie and you go I remember some
00:56:20
movies I did where I go this was the scene that tested the highest just cuz it's like one shot but when people watch
00:56:25
it for 10 years like a Romy Michelle type of movie some of my movies they go these are my favorite things and I'm
00:56:31
like it's not what it was the first time when it came out it's it switches like they see it so many times now they like
00:56:36
this and like that the real throwaway jokes and that kind of stuff yeah but initially the big jokes are like the
00:56:43
easiest ones to to get yeah after the movie they go did you like that one and
00:56:49
everyone goes sure and they're like okay that's your favorite scene all right we're going to fill out
00:56:55
our card today it's a scale of one to five and just uh you know remember what
00:57:00
we talked about remember what we talked about earlier and uh thanks for
00:57:05
participating and uh we're sure all appreciate it what yeah what what's a word of David
00:57:12
Spade's character stupid okay well that's not one of the choices uh we're
00:57:18
gonna have you just write them down on your card and hand them in to the front if you thought the dog was cute we have
00:57:23
another special card to put it on exactly those all that's exactly what those test screenings are I know who
00:57:30
would you want to see more of yeah who should we cut out of the movie and fire
00:57:35
immediately uh Lisa thank you for talking to us we'll let you go it's very very nice to have a long chat with you
00:57:41
no good deed No Good Deed thanks Netflix now we enjoyed it Lisa see you around
00:57:48
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