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So, it's today we got Lorraine Newman. Uh, we're we're showing um this is like vintage great shows that Yeah. were really early on. She was within the first 10 episodes we've ever done.
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I didn't even The sounds a little off because it was so new. It was only our fifth show that I kept the mic
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way away from me and so, you know, I didn't that was how early it was, you know. Well, she did a great job. very
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interesting to be in the original OG SNL cast from 75. Uh, millions of stories about that and I saw her when we did I think our was it
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our Phil Hartman tribute. Yes, we were live because we have a photo backstage with her
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and she does a lot of voiceover work. So, we were at the Secret Life of Pets premiere.
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in that and um she really does. I mean, you know, there's the original cast and everybody else. It's just the way the world works. They were the first and um they changed and the show's still on.
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But yeah, she has great stories about Chvy and John Belalushi and Dan. This was really fun and easy. I'd like to have her back on again. Gilda, Jane Curtain. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
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here she is. You'll love it. Uh Lorraine Newman. [Music] Everyone loves Lorraine. Lorraine, you you have a great voice and
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um not that I'm flirting, but when you when women say what or people say, "What do you like about women?" One of my weird things is not that weird, but aside from the basics, oh, I like this
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and this that all guys like a voice is very interesting because it's very unique on every person. And even as you
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get older, people recognize your voice. Like they know mine from The Emperor's New Groove, which was a cartoon movie I
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did a long time ago. And so when I'm in 7-Eleven, people No touchy. No touchy. Everybody in my family, all my kids know that reference. Oh, they know that. Did you ever think Did you ever think
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No, but I was telling that whole story just to get to see if that they knew my movie. Um, but No, but you
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you have a recognizable voice, David. You have a recognizable and she has a good voice. That's uh
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right off the bat. Rain has a very seductive uh smooth uh feminine voice. You know where it really came in handy? Ebuzz Miller. Weren't you the the
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girlfriend or something? Christy Christina, a character that I never understood why anybody thought
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that was funny. I never ever thought that character was funny. I just was like, you know, well, they gave me the
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part. I'm gonna do the best I can. And uh they even made this kind of piece that that gave me those boobs with the, you know, the little bullet nipples
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because it was actually a rubber piece that went, you know, under the leotard. It's always a weird meaning that they
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probably don't have anymore. Um, who knows? Yeah. Well, okay, Loren, when you do
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when you do a part like that, I think SNL people want to and we can talk about anything, but on the SNL tip, when Dane
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and I have been in that in that mix, and it's probably similar when you were there, but is that Danny Akroyd is
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writing something up or someone else, they walk by, knock on your door, and go, "Hey, do you want to be in this thing? We're writing it up. It's Tuesday
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night where you play." Is that kind of how it goes? The way that it went with you is exactly
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the way it went with us. I remember listening to Andy Samberg on a radio show and he talked about the schedule
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like Monday meet meet the host pitch some ideas Lauren says work on that everybody works until Wednesday she'll read through you know the whole thing choosing what you know build the
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sets and and you guys didn't have they probably ironed out a lot of the problems you probably had a little
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rougher as far as Oh yeah we didn't we we didn't have WordPress we didn't have I wasn't there during and uh
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being online and stuff. So I did go back to host at one point. Bill her and John Melenny were there and they're like,
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"Oh, we'll we'll click up this sketch that you did from Dress that was cut in 1987." So they have everything in a
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database. I wouldn't even think of that. And I I you know when you never know what's going to land with people. So I
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had done a sitcom with Mickey Rooney and he's the freakiest person ever. You know, hysterical. I have a Mickey Rooney story, but go
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ahead. Mickey Rooney. And and so then I just took Mickey's lines or some sketch Bonnie and Terry Turner were doing oldfashioned movie star. So I I just told them stuff Mickey had said. I was
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the number one star in the world. You hear me? Bang. The world. So I just did Mickey's lines and I had prosthetic makeup. So I go there and Bill her and
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John Melany, they just go, "Our favorite thing you've ever done is Mickey Rooney." So
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just one of those things. Well, that's a great impression of him. Uh what what is the language code on this show?
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Oh, you can say whatever you want. What the [ __ ] was what were you saying? So I did a movie that um I had had
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nightmares that had been released and I would wake up sweating. Um and it was called uh Revenge of the Red Baron and it was the kind of thing where I said to my agent, just ask for this amount of
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money. They'll never agree to it and it'll be over. Well, they agreed to it and it was a Roger Corman. It was a
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Roger Corman movie. Okay. And I'm thinking, well, you know, Katherine Bigalow started with Roger Corman. But
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no, this was some schleper that had been cutting his movies for 20 years. But Toby Maguire played my son.
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Um, Clify Young was in it and a lot of it was written by Mike McDonald from the Groundlings in Mad TV. Okay. So, could be good. And there was some Groundlings in it. And so, I thought kind of safe. Mickey
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Rooney would say those things, you know, I was the biggest star. And then as he's as he's hitching his trousers, he when I
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was having my single and he was in my peripheral vision, he would spit in his hand and make masturbatory gestures and then squirt the spit out of his hand
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like it was semen. Talk about painting a picture. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. Can you imagine? I thought I was the only one that did that on sets. That's always a real I know we shouldn't speak ill of the
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dead. No, not at all. He was just the most bitter person. It was so funny. He had a 38 revolver with him and he would pull
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it out sometimes. This script is kaka and he's kind of waving it around. He uh she's reliving in her head. I would go to work. It would be Rockefeller Center on the sixth floor 6
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years before I got on the eighth floor. And I'd hear him down the hallway, you know, Judy Garland never owned a car, even a car, and then he would get really
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close to your face cuz they pumped her so full of drugs they killed her. He would talk until the air there was no
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more air left. And um once you worked with Mickey, I mean, Nathan and I had so many stories
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about working with Mickey, but yeah, he could be crude. He said he had an idea for a show where every character's name
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was a swear word and he would act it out for like 20 minutes. Hello, Mrs. [ __ ] I'm Mr. [ __ ] How are you, [ __ ]
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And it went on for like 20 minutes. Dude, I I could get that sold. Well, I actually saw him say to an
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actor, um, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Hey, would you look at the tits on that one? You know, it was like right, you know,
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and he was phoning it in. He was in Sugar Babies on Broadway doing the sitcom. So we'd have to act to this guy
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who was like 30 years old but he was 5 feet tall. All week long we would rehearse with him and Mickey would have giant qards and he was just and he would
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always had cash cuz he'd been broke for decades and Sugar Babies he was making money and on the sitcom so he'd pull out
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like $5,000 and put it right up to your face and go think I can afford lunch. Oh my god. There's too many stories. We don't want to make it all I'm curious. What were you doing on the
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sixth floor for did you say four years? Dana, I was doing uh pretty long story short, I was doing uh stand up in San Francisco. NBC people came up. I had
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kind of this uh uh innocent Timmy Lassie look going on. I was kind of funny, whatever. So, I got a deal with NBC, a holding deal, $50,000 upfront against things I would
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be doing. I was on the Marie Osman variety show as a as a sketch player for like a day. Uh but anyway, uh then all
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of a sudden I got a call from NBC. You're going to play Mickey Rooney's grandson on a sitcom in New York. And
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Nathan Lane had auditioned in LA. We flew back out on a 747. George Burns was playing cards. Anyway, everything was surreal. And it was in Rockefeller Center on the sixth floor. And then I
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would go up to the eighth floor on Thursdays watching them run through the thing. Joe Piscapo and Eddie Murphy and
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going, "Oh man, I want to be up here." But I was cast as a straight man for many years because I just had I had no
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confidence. I had no I had ambition, but I had no real confidence. Which kind of comes full circle a little bit to your
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story when I'm watching Saturday Night Live from 75 to 80. Uh you you were the Beatles. You were you were rock stars. You were more than comedians because you were the first. And I was so in awe of
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of the show, the idea that I would be on it. And I don't know how you felt cuz you get on and the show is not the show
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yet. It's still maybe it'll get cancelled. Yeah. So, can you just talk a little bit about that very very bare beginning? Were you
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there for the first show of the 75 season? You're there. And who's with you? Is everyone there? Chvy,
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everybody's there. Um, in the last uh like you know the 11th hour it was between Billy and Chevy which really Yeah. which killed me because I had never um seen Billy except
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I I he was one of the first people I met. My first friend was Gilder Rner and she took me up to uh a recording
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session for a national lampoon album, the one that's called That's Not Funny, That's Sick. So I'm on that album, but I
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meet Harold Ramos and Chris Guest and Randol Murray and Bill Murray and so I got a sense of what Billy had and then I saw his audition. I'm thinking, "Oh boy." You know, and then they chose
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Chvy. Wait, they went and they couldn't they couldn't have both of them. That's That's what I thought. That's
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what I had hoped. But they had Balushi and Acroyd already. Yes. And they felt like Well, now they have 32 cast members that
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they could back then it was how many was it with you guys? Seven. So explosive. I mean I really want to
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talk through this a lot but just for a second I I just because of everyone's uh love of Gilda Rner and your whole cast but what but she just seems so likable. I mean was she just really fun and just
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a genuine I mean all of you and uh Jane you know I don't know there's just a liability of that whole cast. But speak
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to Gilda for a second. Well, um, she was a really good person. That's nice to know. Uh, she was the person that, you know, made a fuss over your birthday.
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Mhm. And just, um, very sweet. You know, she and I found ourselves in some pickles, which I talk about in my
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book. Oh, and what is the name of the book? Maybe we'll get a big following. May you live in interesting times. And
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um you know one was that when we did the New Orleans live from New Orleans special the technology you know for doing green screen and shifting from one
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set to another was like a minute old and everything that could have gone wrong did. But the days before during the
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rehearsal process Gilda and I were put into a room in a building at a part of town we did not know where we were. We
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were scared to go out because we were literally getting mobbed. And we were in this room with nothing but chairs and a trash can with one of those lids that you step on a pedal and the lid goes up.
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They forgot about us for 4 hours. Oh god. We're in this room for 4 hours and Gilda
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turned that trash can into a puppet because that's the kind of person she was, you know.
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Nice. And uh God, there's there's just so many times that she and I for some reason, you know, but we also just um you know, would have breakfast together
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before we went into work. And that's you know, I think it comes across and I I don't know if Lauren hone this later or you think about there's the
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funny part, there's the likability part or and then there's the charisma and finally there's how might they work
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together, you know? uh will they you know kind of like a sitcom you know you have this this key piece this piece this
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piece but I think everyone who's gone through that you never lose a certain kind of bond with your cast especially unknown people not famous at all no
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money at all going on this television show and I was 10 years later in ' 86 but you don't you still feel that aspore
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with with your original cast if you run into Dan Akroyd or whoever or you know it's an extraordinary experience as you
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know it is an extraordinary experience and I always liken it to a lifeboat where you know you all survive something
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some of us didn't but you all survived something that was very extraordinary. I was I was on
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Dennis Miller's show a couple weeks ago and we talked about the very same thing and I he mentioned the movie The Right Stuff, which I think of this scene every time
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people ask about the camaraderie of the cast and the closeness where they're backstage. I think Lynden Johnson is
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introducing them. Many times. Yes. Yeah. that scene where they're backstage and they're all just kind of looking at
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one another like I guess we we did this thing that nobody else has ever done, you know, and obviously I'm not comparing our show to space exploration,
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but you know, it was the same feeling. Well, I would say, you know, uh without that analogy, but in terms of show business, uh especially as the show grew
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live, I remember just doing a cold opening in one as the president or whatever and just the whole weight of
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the show is on you and then there's that Joe disco dick go five seconds and you're just you're like floating and then you're just reading the card and hoping that
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you're articulating. That is a lot of pressure, you know. I think in in show business. I don't know if there's any
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more anything that currently exists live like that and they weren't ready. They came from that background. I'm
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sorry. What did you say? Uh everything I say is important. So, everyone has to listen closely. Keep going.
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Um I was just saying that when Dana and I were on, there was a chance you could get famous or being just being on it, you'd get a little bump in fame even if you suddenly didn't click or whatever.
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But with you guys, you seem like a very sweet woman and Gilda and all those people together and not knowing that it's such a whopper and and getting the biggest hit out of it that anyone's
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gotten must mess with your head like you were saying just walking the street or getting breakfast and you feel like do I
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deserve this or why what's going on here and why are so many people thinking this
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is so great even though you think it's fun but I think it I don't think anyone can prep for that. Well, you kind of I
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mean, since you're part of this era, it really when you think about um the evolution of comedy from Laugh in and
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Lauren used to say it's [ __ ] Carol Bernett. I'm sure he loves Carol Bernett, but he but he had a thing about
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breaking in scenes when we were there. He didn't want you to break. Yeah. But the rock and roll, George Carlin, Richard Prior thing had started
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and then it all of a sudden this sketch show manifests itself with this kind of post 1960s, early '7s comedy sensibility, right? Well, it was alt comedy. That's what
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I've come to realize is that yes, you had your show of shows and Carol Bernett and you know laughing,
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but those were really mainstream and written by actors, writers that were not our age, did not have our references or
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sensibility. And this was truly uh an amalgam of a bunch of really great minds like Michael O'Donn and Herb Sergeant and you know Franken and Davis and all these amazing people whose tone and
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style had never been seen before. And then you also have the references that we all came with. I mean you know I came
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with these characters that I had done at the Groundlings. And so you, you know, you talk about the format. That's
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exactly what I came from is doing a sketch, running off stage in the dark, changing my costume, coming back in the
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dark, lights come up, and you go. I mean, that's what I came from. And that's, you know, Jane came from the
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proposition. You know, uh, Gilda came from Second City and the Lampoon Show. So, you know, we all had that background.
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[Music] Did you um were you the first or one of the first on television to do the Valley
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Girl voice kind of or it it feels like that. I mean cuz that is still around and it's
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it's organic. You're welcome. Um how did you how did you hatch that? Where did where did that come from? That was in your early grounding time. I I had always noticed even in high school
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that the people from the valley spoke differently and my twin brother was a surfer. He still is actually. And um so
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I'd go to the beach with him every once in a while. And you know there was this whole thing about the valley surfers
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versus the Malibu surfers and the westside surfers and you know but I did my ear picked up because I'd always
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loved dialects. I'd always picked up on them. There was, you know, when I was four years old, there was an Orange
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Julius stand in in Westwood Village run by this Scottish couple who would say things to me like, "Would you like your
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hot dog steamed or grilled?" And I would just, you know, grab on to that kind of stuff.
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So, you could you were doing that at age four. I wasn't doing it. I was noticing it. Yeah. You know, but then I was I did start
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doing dialects very young, but uh that was Yeah. I started hearing that valley accent and realizing that it
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was a very unique accent. So many people have used it. I mean it's just start the whole thing ubiquous just were you I'm I'm familiarize me with your take on it. Did
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you do the thing oh my god or how did you process it that became later I don't know who did that but
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no I think that moon unit did oh my god. Okay. Um but um you know I break down that dialect in my book and um which is called you should have an
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interesting life or what may you live an interesting time may you live an interesting life right now on everywhere books are sold Ray
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Newman audible um and uh you know contractions like wouldn't shouldn't or couldn't
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would become wouldn't and couldn't you know and ing endings were e n so I'm going there and things like that. It just and then there was also words like
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bitching and super that came before you know like in my monologue uh in the Godfather group theraper sketch I said you know I had to get super reflective you know it was that
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that was the language and the dialect that I kind of what you just yeah that is still around
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that was like super reflective can you do that again I had to get super reflective
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God even that like voice grainy um that that's out there too with every girl in the Bachelor but Lorraine what is underneath that I just want to know for a second the process I mean like
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someone who talks like that is it is it an elitism or is it uh trying to be cool
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or what what is kind of behind someone who would change their voice like I'm just thinking out loud like I I don't think people change their voice to it. I don't think they change their voice to it. I think that it
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becomes ubiquitous. Yeah. And there's a is there a charm to it? I'm a sexuality to it is I'm just
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wondering why where it came from. But anyway, we may never figure that out exactly. Doesn't charm me one [ __ ] bit. But
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cuz the stoner dude, the male version was like most like what you're talking about, man. This is crazy, dude. So if
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she does that then everything even Munion it's all sort of a spin-off of that ground laying the groundwork like
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you know someone doing Lauren the first time or Christopher Walkin and everyone's kind of doing that
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version but you're laying everyone's like oh that's a thing now so they're kind of playing off that one and
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building on it. So that's the hard thing is to come up with the code like Frank Zappa. He he loved that character. He
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absolutely loved it and wanted to do something with it and it just never happened. And he's also he was from
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Cucamonga. He was from the valley. So he absolutely you know Zappa I did him once on the show and Michael Michael Thomas did such a great job with my makeup and I came out of the room and
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Eric Clapton was in the hallway. Sorry folks, name dropping but that's what Sat Thomas. Oh,
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he was my guy. Brilliant. Funny. So [ __ ] funny. He made vampire teeth for me. Did he? Oh, Michael Thomas, for everyone listening, was one of the quintessential brilliant makeup artists and he could
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move so fast and do little things and you'd sit in the chair and you'd get more and more into character and he would keep doing
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stuff and then he had such a funny ear. I was doing a show a few years later and I was asked
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to do all these classic impressions like Groucho Marks. It was a Easter special. I was rich little and I didn't really
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have him and so he he taught me Jack Benny and then I would go out and do Jack Benny and he said this is how you
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do Groucho. So he also had an ear and he loved monsters but God rest his soul. Loved him. Loved I'm so glad you had a
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connection with him. He was such a great You did you start the Groundlings or you were part of the founding people?
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Yeah, one of the founding members. Yeah. That's great. That's so cool. And that was in LA. Who knew? Yeah. Who knew? So SNL is like
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the groundlings, but suddenly when you leave, everyone has seen it. It's so funny. You can do a a sketch, walk in
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your room, and someone could text you and say, "Great one. I was in Oklahoma. I just saw it." You're like, it's such a
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mindblower. Yeah. There's a there's a thing going on in the Groundlings now where people would stay in the main company and they
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just wouldn't leave. And even though it's like, you know, they're on series television now, they just don't leave.
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So that what they started to do to get them to leave was to do a retrospective and a celebration to just, you know,
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to get them out the door. And I always marveled at the technology because they had the the, you know,
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ability to film their sketches. And when we did our 40th anniversary, the the people from the 1970s, we just did straight improv cuz there was no we had
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never filmed any of our sketches. But later on, of course, everybody had, you know, early Melissa McCarthy, early
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Kristen Wig, early Maya Rudolph, you know, it was just great stuff to see. I wish that when I was there, and it was sort of with all of us, if you missed a
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sketch, then you waited for the rerun 6 months later. And if the if you missed it again, you might have been in the best of in the summer, but that's a long shot. And now I don't get to see the
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show as much. So if Monday on Yahoo News or wherever you are on your computer sometimes it just says here's a sketch
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from and they give you the best one and then you go oh the show is pretty funny still even though who knows how much of
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the show it's always like hit and miss but you that keeps it alive. I think that's a big part of why it's still out
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there and still killing it. Well now it's 1.6 billion YouTube hits last year for their season which is
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extraordinary. And then it's now I don't know if it still is, but Peacock I think you can watch it live at 8:30 on the
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West Coast. So it's it's evolved in so many ways. The interesting part you about you and Gilda
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and and Jane being the first women and there's all these you know the the society has evolved and we were talking to Anna Gastire who's another great
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performer. Uh, and just the idea that how many women have emerged in such a big way in the last 20 years in some of the ones you were mentioning, but it was three on your cast. Then there there was
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those intermediate casts. I know Julie Louise Drifus was on. We had um Jan Hooks, Norah Dunn, and Victoria
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Jackson. Oh yeah, Jan Hooks. We She's supernatural as any of Jan Hooks. That's such a good So unbelievably funny. Yeah. Just just
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balls out funny. Oh god. And and uh funny offstage. We had so many laughs. We would just get, you know, when you get so tired in a stressful job like that, you get laugh
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laughing fits. Oh yeah. And like like your little kids. I remember one time Phil had a suit on,
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the late great Phil Hartman. And we called him the glue cuz he was like our Danny Akroyd or something.
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What do you What do you need this week? You know, and he didn't even it was effortless for Phil. But Jan and I just
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saw his his tie or something and we were just It's like we were stoned. We were so tired. Oh, sure. That's a great place to be
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though. Don't you laugh? I know. You're just so weak. You can't not laugh. I have a question about
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Lorraine about, you know, we had in our run Chris Farley, you guys had John Blushi and Jen. Chris looked up to John
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so much um cuz they were sort of, you know, bigger guys and physic very very physical. I remember even in in wardrobe, he would find pants for a sketch and
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he'd look in it and it would say Belushi. They still had them. And he'd wear them and then he'd wear
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his pants over those because he wanted to have anything. And at one point I said, "Chris, you're as good as Belushi." I mean, I hate to sound like blasphemous, but I go we we all love Belushi. And I go,
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"Chris, you're at the point where when we go down the street, it it's you're so good that I would put you in the same
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and he would never buy that. never never was. Here's the thing that I have to say
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about all of that because when I hear people say your cast was the best cast, I say no.
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The cast that was on when you were an adolescent is the best cast because they've always had great casts.
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Always always had great casts and great writers. Mhm. And you know, I mean, guys, your years
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had you guys and the people around you. There have always been great casts and people that don't even know ours. They said we're bad and then later they say we're good. It's so funny that when
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we're there, they're like, "You missed the good people. They were just here. You guys suck." And then later they Saturday Night Live dead. Funny. Who
00:27:30
wants to laugh? That that never ended. Goes Saturday Night Dead. It's going to get every year. It'll be a headline. That's a good impression. I can't let Dana do it. He's the guy.
00:27:42
The problem with the critics, they're they're like really into their own thing. It's that thing of like, you
00:27:48
know, you have to be um really light on your feet. It'd be nice if this sketch was like uh you know, funny would be a
00:27:55
good thing. I We love Lawrence sarcasm. Did he overcome saying things like absolutely or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Did he? No, no, no, no, no. We definitely have no no don't don't
00:28:06
misunderstand me. Mostly it would be exactly if you were telling him something exactly.
00:28:12
Well, you know, he was always the same, but uh now that we we have data now we have
00:28:17
almost 50 years of the show, it's hard to imagine another human individual navigating like Lauren. He was so good with the network and all that part of it. He was very good with the hosts and
00:28:30
he also was I think because he's a a very very smart guy. He could get all those Ivy League guys to come in and respect him, you know, the Harvard guys and cuz I went to San Francisco State,
00:28:42
but everyone, you know, they would all giggle when I would mispronounce a word and read through and I go, "You [ __ ] I'll get you on the stage."
00:28:48
That was intimidating. I don't know that you guys you guys had great writers, Lorraine, but it got it got very
00:28:53
Harvardy when I was there from Scottsdale Community College and I could just tell it was very clear I was in
00:28:59
over my head and it takes a while to to to figure out like I don't know if you wrote but I think you did but how to write a sketch or how to fit in with these guys and just get to the level I
00:29:10
just want to go and read through and say I don't want everyone to go what the [ __ ] who wrote this. I just wanted to be
00:29:16
like, "Oh, we're not doing it." But it sort of mixed into the bunch, you know, because sometimes I I would write
00:29:22
something and I didn't know how to write and I just got that yellow pad and they would be like, "That's eight pages too
00:29:28
long." I'm like, "Well, no one is talking to me. I don't I mean, no one tells you anything." Was that the same
00:29:34
when you were there in the 70? We have to You have to learn it yourself or ask other cast members. Absolutely. Yeah. Nobody tells you
00:29:40
anything. And um I didn't quite get that it would be good if I were to align myself with a writer who could really get me. But fortunately it worked out that way anyway. And Odd Donahghue and
00:29:52
Schiller and and Rosie Schuster they really wrote beautifully for me. And you know I brought us some of the material that I had done at the groundlings I brought there. But that was basically
00:30:04
how it worked because I did not know how I the things I did in the groundings were what we now call in ones or down
00:30:12
lefts which were just character monologues. I am a shitty improviser. Shitty, you know, uh so you know I don't know how to write. You think we improvise on Saturday Night
00:30:23
Live, but you don't improvise. Yeah, people think you do. But but but backstage you do. You know, uh just for a second, Rosie Schuster
00:30:30
came back. Lauren's ex-wife, one of them. And she was assigned to me. I just done this character in my standup. I didn't do it all day long. I never wore a dress. Was this church lady person.
00:30:40
Oh my goodness. And so we we sat for a couple weeks, you know, making the talk show out of
00:30:46
it. And she was the one who said, "Uh, church chat, you know, and she was very very good."
00:30:51
Oh, yeah. Writer. Yeah. Really beautiful. Yeah. So that Lauren loves that when the
00:30:57
writers in the cast get together and I actually talked to a young cast member recently wanted to talk to me. I won't
00:31:04
say you know who it was who's currently on the show and struggling a little bit with the process. I said, "Well, find
00:31:11
whatever your rhythm of your character is, you know, collect your your hooks or or what what makes it funny and crunchy
00:31:16
to you. Seek out a writer that has influence and and maybe would want so at the ground floor while the sketch is being written, your rhythms are being integrated. Don't wait where they've
00:31:28
written jokes and you're trying to put your character into it. Exactly. Make sure you do it together. So it sounds like you had that with Michael
00:31:34
Donahghue and Rosie and all the rest. Yeah, that's one Lauren loves that thing, too. It's It's like
00:31:40
It's like the Congress and the Senate getting along or something. He wants He doesn't want one side to dominate too
00:31:46
much. Yeah. Well, Conan O'Brien talks about not knowing how to write a sketch and how he really started out by just like
00:31:54
telling somebody stories and people would say, "Yeah, you should write that as a sketch."
00:31:59
Yeah. But, you know, the idea that any any writer would come there not knowing how to write a sketch.
00:32:04
Well, I auditioned to be on the show and then they say, "We're me and Rob Schneider and they go, you're hired, but you're they liked your
00:32:11
standup, but they like the writing of it." So, which is not which is good and bad news
00:32:16
because they go he wants to be a writer performer and then they go oh maybe Chvy was I don't know who was but I
00:32:21
he was just hired as a writer. Chevy was just hired as a writer. Yes. Garrett and Chevy were hired as writers. Oh I did not know that. That's cool. Now
00:32:33
how long till Billy came on? Was it three years? No. Uh, actually it was um second year.
00:32:39
Oh, because Chvy did like one and a half seasons, whatever. He was on the cover of Time or whatever
00:32:45
he was, he just blew up from the show. Yeah. And then he always regretted leaving.
00:32:50
You know, when he would come back and host, he talked about wishing he'd stayed longer. Sure. For sure. I mean, it's hard.
00:32:56
Once you leave it, you can never go back. You know, once you what? Once you leave SNL,
00:33:01
you're never gonna do I thought you said once you diva, you never come back. Oh, funny. I was thinking that's that's better than what I just said. So,
00:33:12
I did say that, Lorraine. Once you diva, but once you leave, you can't go back to that experientially. And it it haunts
00:33:19
your whole career or life in some ways cuz it's New York. It's it's the grease paint. it's there's a horse in the show
00:33:25
and someone's juggling and it's all chaotic and weird and there's just nothing quite like that intensity um of
00:33:33
or how hard it is and you go I could do that and then you leave I'm sure Chevy after years like and he sees the show stays huge and even huger and you're like [ __ ] that was fun I was in that I
00:33:44
was in the mix. Yeah, that's the thing is sketch comedy is so fun. Yeah. You know, I mean, when I ca I was
00:33:52
back for the 40th just doing sketches. Oh, right. So goddamn fun. Oh, yeah. It's just And the people you get to work with are always super sharp, funny. Yes.
00:34:02
You get to look around and go, "God damn, all these people are great." And then you then they go on to do great things and you go, "Shit, everyone was
00:34:08
good. I was not wrong." It feels like it's more pressure now, but you guys did you when did you for
00:34:14
yourself, Lorraine? So, you're on the show and the show's not the show yet, but you're becoming rock stars. When did
00:34:20
you know I think the audience starts to discover and they discovered Chevy first probably because he was on Update had an
00:34:26
N1 at home base. It was like very potent Chevy. But when do you feel like when did you personally get comfortable? You
00:34:34
feel were you comfortable right away? It took me I feel like 60 shows 60 to get I I'd say I was better after the third season, fourth season. Doesn't that take you I mean to be really having
00:34:45
fun to go back full circle to like just enjoying it cuz everything is picking and wigs and going and then the cards
00:34:52
and changing to get relaxed. How did you feel you had a breakthrough with a certain character? I mean was it the
00:34:58
cone heads or any sketch you remember where I've got this we're we're winning. We're a winning team. We're rock stars.
00:35:04
Or maybe it was immediate for you guys. I don't know. No, I was very young and I was very inexperienced.
00:35:09
You were like 21 or something? No, I was 23, but I was a very young 23 for I was a young 23. That's what I have
00:35:17
to say about that. But um I was very inexperienced and I did not have a lot of confidence. And so um I can't say that I ever got to a place where I felt comfortable. um
00:35:30
when I was when I I was doing something either that I wrote or that I really had
00:35:36
an affinity for and felt like I could score with. Those were great times. I mean, Marilyn Miller wrote this Barbara
00:35:42
Stryand song for me. And I was just thinking about it the other day because someone was talking about uh I think it
00:35:49
was the uh documentary on Mr. Kelly's and that Barbara Stryson does the intro on that. And I was thinking, you know,
00:35:56
um it was a complicated song. I was the only one who could sing a little bit better than everybody else of the girls. And I just remember afterwards uh that
00:36:08
kind of explosive applause when it was over and as I'm bowing and my legs are shaking, you know, it was such a great moment and experience to have. But I
00:36:20
didn't have a lot of those, you know. Yeah. Did you like singing? Did you sit with someone? We had Cheryl uh Mark Shaman.
00:36:30
We had Cheryl and Mark Shaman. And Mark Shaman worked on the show. He did. Well, I was there for a couple
00:36:35
years. Then he went off and did movies. But he was there with Cheryl. I didn't know that.
00:36:41
This is just for people listening with, you know, if there's a musical number, it's so much fun to sit down. Well,
00:36:47
let's just say Cheryl was so wonderful and she could just play anything. And you had a song you wanted to do. I think
00:36:54
she said she did black magic woman. Is that Santana? I don't know who did that. She played the chords backwards for the church chat theme. Stuff like that. Oh my god, how brilliant.
00:37:06
But she would help you with notes and know you were going to harmonize. We're playing cowboys and we're harmonizing Woody Harlson and she would help you.
00:37:13
And I I'll speak to you. I want to hear your experiences. I had one freaky thing of I was in a booth with Willie Nelson.
00:37:20
He had his old guitar and then he was learning uh a song and maybe I didn't and I'm seeing him learn it in real time. Oh wow. But you have those kinds of moments in
00:37:32
terms of the movies the the host that came along in those five years who what does anyone
00:37:37
stick out or Oh the hosts the host cuz you're then you're meeting like you had the monster stars come
00:37:44
through. It's unreal. I was Richard. Yeah, Richard Prior. I had met Richard Prior when I was 14 because he was friends with my sister and and he was playing the Trouador
00:37:55
guys. The Trouidor. He was playing the Trouidor and Yeah. So I met him when I was 14. So when he
00:38:02
came to host the show, I was like, uh, I'm Tracy Newman's little sister. Do you remember me? And he was so great to me. He was just
00:38:13
sweet. always like there are three people who are my main influences. Eve Arden, Maline Khan, and Richard Prior.
00:38:20
Those are like the holy trinity for me. Maline Khan's another monster. Did she come host
00:38:25
twice? Oh, how great. So, so that that how so that's the exact example of what happens to you on Saturday Night Lives. You have this mentor who doesn't know and then you're
00:38:36
now you're in a sketch with them. I know. It's all surreal, right? Dana, what about Lorraine? Did I read
00:38:42
that? Um, you were stopped I mean this is where your career just hits a zenith when you got stopped by John and Yoko.
00:38:49
Is that true? Yeah. I was uh I was coming from a photo session with Francisco Skavulo
00:38:58
makeup for the with Jill Clayberg. And out of my I'm walking through the lobby of 30 Rock and through my peripheral vision I see these two forms and they come into focus. Holy [ __ ] John and
00:39:12
Yoko. God damn. And as they pass in front of me, John goes, "Hi, Lorraine." You know, not hi. Hi, Lorraine. You know, wow. And I was like Lou Costello in those
00:39:25
series, you know, like Frankenstein. It was like Yeah. That's exactly what I was like. John Lennon. I always, you know, there were so many intersections that we happened to have
00:39:39
my cast with different people and Paul McCartney and so forth, but yeah, it was always bittersweet. I would love to have
00:39:44
met John Lennon. Oh my god. Yeah. Would love to meet Well, Christopher Lee was the person that I was very excited to meet. I had
00:39:52
lobbyed for him to be a host for three years, but it wasn't until he was in a James
00:39:57
Bond movie that he hosted. Put him in. And God was he a great host. Of course, he immediately said, "I do not want to do Dracula."
00:40:09
He's your cigar. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to play Coco the Clown. I don't want to do Dracula. It's not like I was just saying that because when Steven hosted I think I got a bad rap of
00:40:21
of being quoted in sometimes these stories that that's our worst host. But the truth is I did like Steven Seagal and I liked his movies and I was just trying I was I was saying he was sort of
00:40:34
known to others as a bad host. He wouldn't roll with the flow. And I think both of you know that the best thing to
00:40:39
do if you're host is to just put your hands up and go, "What do you want me to do?" And if you're Christopher Lee, we'll make a Dracula. We won't make you
00:40:45
look like an [ __ ] This will be a funny version. People like it. And he wouldn't do any karate uh uh monologue.
00:40:52
and we we wanted to do kung fu fighting and or something stupid and he and he just was latching on to wanting to be
00:40:58
cool and and I got what he was saying. He's like that's I have an image and it was just too hard to trust us and talk
00:41:06
him out of that. That's all. He wasn't a bad guy to me. I Well, I I didn't mean to imply that he was difficult. He was absolutely great.
00:41:13
Sure. But a lot of people don't want to do want to do that. Yeah. I That's what I'm saying. A lot of a lot of people just say they get on
00:41:20
there or the music you we had that a lot. the music doesn't want to do their hit song and you want to go you get two
00:41:26
songs you you could do whatever you want on the second one but the first one can you please do your hit you know it's
00:41:33
kind of when a when a when a host comes in like you know there's an athlete or we had a we had George Steinbrer a
00:41:39
billionaire owns the New York Yankees so George Stebrer so he's got kind of you know he's a billionaire he's George and
00:41:45
and uh Al Franken pitched him something to the effect in the sketch he would be on all fours in a diaper with a dog collar.
00:41:56
It's funny. Just you're like, "Oh, he's not going to do that." Well, I think it's really funny. Remember Conan was saying at dinner the other night? We saw Conan. He was saying
00:42:08
he he was he and Bob Odenkirk had to go pitch to George Shiner and he and he [ __ ] hated it and said, "I'm not doing that [ __ ] Get out of here." And they leave and Lauren goes, "Give it another try." What? Go back in.
00:42:21
We have to go back. Oh my god. I did a sketch once. It was during Matthew um married to Sarah Jessica Parker. Matthew Broadick. So we were all barechested in diapers in the sketch.
00:42:35
And so and this so the sketch bombs. I mean it really bombs. I mean it's dead quiet. And then you have to walk off. There's no it's too busy. No one puts a rope. You're walking through 8H through
00:42:47
the audience with a big diaper on and a sketch that just [ __ ] itself and then I
00:42:54
looked at an audience member and did a little like, "Hey, how you doing?" Little wave and they looked away.
00:43:00
They were like in my first season. They looked away. Oh, the pain. I know. They're just like
00:43:07
talking about humiliation. That's what comedy is in a sketch. If it's the grossest feeling to sit there looking at
00:43:14
the you're looking at the cards your next line's coming. You're like we should end it right now. It's going nowhere. Like they're not takes your
00:43:21
chances. The sickest if it kills a dress and then on air you're like what happened.
00:43:26
I know. That's the worst. Well, that's the alchemy of the show, you know. [ __ ] Well, it's sometimes the dress
00:43:33
show is so hot and you're like, h, I don't like this because then the air show is not so hot
00:43:39
and a lot of invited guests and then all of a sudden the same and it's a half the laugh and then you you've gotten spoiled
00:43:45
with the dress show. But sometimes the air audience was the best so you never knew but it was a highwire act.
00:43:53
[Music] Lorraine, uh, I don't want to keep you forever, but do do you ever do you ever get mad and say meeps?
00:44:00
Say what? Maps. Maps. What do you say in cone heads? Maps. It's mess. Me. Me. Me. Um. I've been saying it wrong. I've been saying it wrong every time I
00:44:13
stub my toe. That's all right. I was in Cone Heads. I was in the Cone Heads. Really?
00:44:18
Yeah. I played That's great. That's right. I played You were in the cone. I wasn't in that one, but I I just love
00:44:24
Dana. It was almost jury duty. It was everybody. It was Ellena Degenerous, Phil. Sinbad Schneider.
00:44:32
I was too big. I was too big at the time and I had a beach house and I didn't really, you know, um
00:44:38
I was turning down a lot of things. I'm just processing this idea of when it came out, the idea that the character's name was what the character was. So, the
00:44:49
cone heads had cone heads. So, I always love that. And that's why I said the church lady is the church lady, you
00:44:56
know, or Dr. sketch where she he plays like a church lady, right? It Well, did did that I mean, did Carol Bernett and Flip Wilson or whatever did
00:45:06
they do that? Because that was the first time I saw it. It's a certain knowing dry silliness that the character's name
00:45:13
is what the character is, or does that predate SNL? But I love that about you. I don't know, Dana. I don't know what happened with Flip Wilson. Yeah,
00:45:25
exactly. I love all those variety shows. Lorraine, do you laugh when you when you're going to do cone heads in in rehearsal? Does it kill at the table or where is there any weirdness along the
00:45:38
week going, "What if this just does not work?" I adored Danny's writing. I absolutely
00:45:45
adored it. And he could do more no wrong as far as I was concerned. Even if it was like something really subtle and tasty that I knew the audience would not
00:45:56
get that was fun. That is fun too cuz you know some of those sketches you're like I don't care
00:46:01
how it does. I love it. We need to do it. And Lauren's good at keeping stuff like that on. He's like
00:46:07
I don't care if it doesn't work. This is what we This represents us. That's a good Jack Handy used to write a lot of
00:46:12
really weird ones and we all loved him at read through and he goes put it on. Part of the magic of the show is that
00:46:17
that sensibility is allowed even if it doesn't kill. And yeah, Dan Akroyd would write these
00:46:23
long he would talk really super fast and have all this language coming out. Godamn of him, you know, and you'd have to just
00:46:30
figure out later what he was saying, but the cone heads was silly and it was I mean, how many times did you think you did
00:46:36
that? It seemed like it was on a lot. Gosh, I I do not know. I just know that uh the one time that we did an extended version where we filmed us going back to Remulac Remulac,
00:46:48
you know, we uh we had never been in the cones longer than the length of a sketch, but
00:46:53
this was like a whole day and the spirit gum [ __ ] started to burn. Oh, you know, this is where it was anchored here. Unproven spirit. Yeah. Start to burn
00:47:04
your Oh my god. And so, you know, Jane and Danny were in the front seat and they just started smoking weed and I was in the back seat and we were Were you on location or something?
00:47:16
Yes, we were shooting on location. I'd be terrified. All improvised, too, because you know,
00:47:21
we didn't get permits. We went to a gas station to fill the tank. You know, Danny did a bit of drinking the the
00:47:28
gasoline, but you know, it was like gorilla because we got no permits or anything like And you're in your outfit.
00:47:34
You're a giant head and everything walking around. I got a question. When you do cone heads, uh, did you have to do it either
00:47:41
cold open or after Update? Because there's so much work. It's always at the top of the show. When I did Gap Girls, it was so much
00:47:46
work. They could only put it first or after Update cuz that's the biggest chunk. You have update and music and that's like 12 minutes or something. And did you get stoned that day then?
00:47:58
No, I did, Danny. I I've never I I've never was able to perform high. I mean, I tried it
00:48:06
with a couple beers once out of work stone once. Didn't work for me. You know, heroin is good for doing
00:48:12
sketch work, dear. I think meth is what makes James Woods. It's the meth is what informs his choices. Marcy, please. More popcorn.
00:48:23
Anyway, um but you know that thing that you said about Lauren is very astute because that is what causes an audience to come to
00:48:29
you. You know, it's like you you don't write for them, you let them come you write
00:48:35
for us. Yeah. And you let them come to you. And some things like like cheeseburger
00:48:40
cheeseburger one of those like they that might not work the first time. There's a lot of sketches that might not work and then by the time it comes on you don't
00:48:46
realize they really did like it. they had to watch it and think about it and then their friends talk about it and you go that is good. it gets it's kind of
00:48:53
hookie or even if it's not a catchphrase just a smart bit and then you go oh [ __ ] that's bigger but also that was active and high energy
00:49:00
and I've said this before but for me personally when I was doing Johnny Carson on the show in sort of a new way
00:49:06
a great impression by the way just thank you my kind of my favorite thing because I did I thought I enjoyed it so
00:49:14
much and I had Phil of course there um that the drafts I didn't I forgot he I forgot he did anything correct You are correct. For those of you at
00:49:24
home who um you're watching a television and um that's how you're seeing the pictures. We are not actively in your
00:49:31
living room. You know the how Johnny would include everyone in the country in on stuff. And I didn't care. And I was
00:49:37
in my sixth season or something. But I wasn't thinking whether it was going to get a laugh cuz I intrinsically
00:49:42
knew it was so [ __ ] it was almost too funny. Some things that I'll watch sometimes are so funny that I know I'm
00:49:49
gonna I can't even laugh as hard as I want to laugh. I'm going to laugh later because you want to hear it
00:49:55
and want to hear it and it hits you so hard. But the rock and roll sketches are easier. It was or you look at an old sketch like
00:50:01
even from Lorraine's uh seasons and you go, I didn't even really get that back then.
00:50:07
Like how funny it was. Like I was too young and now you look back you go, "Holy [ __ ] that's so well done." or
00:50:12
smarter cuz I was just like looking for the easy jokes. I'm younger, you know, and then it then you get older and you
00:50:18
start to like different stuff, but you go back and go, "Oh, [ __ ] That was so good." Yeah, that's an interesting point. I've
00:50:24
experienced that, too. Yeah. Did Did you go on update a lot and do characters? Um I I did it a couple of times. Uh when um
00:50:36
when Sid Vicious murdered his girlfriend. There's a hilarious topic. Go ahead. I went on as his mother. I went on as his mother saying that he was a good boy, you know, and uh I think Brian was
00:50:51
Sid Vicious, you know, and he just had the wig on and he just looked completely mad, you know, and I was just going on. I did my best, you know. I did my best.
00:51:03
What? I don't know. I don't know. We've had a great time here. We had a great And but
00:51:09
then of course I did the the the reporter, you know, Lorraine Newman, the reporter,
00:51:14
which was kind of in that sort of reporter dialect in a sense, a language of breaking news right now. This at the
00:51:22
kind of thing. Yeah. The I'm standing here, you know, I I always had heard, you know, I I heard
00:51:29
that song and you know, you know what I'm talking about, Dana. The song that that they do that that is a newscaster
00:51:36
song. I'll write that. Yeah. Well, channel news. Exactly. Oh, got it. Yes, it is. D, you know, it's it is a song.
00:51:50
I did it in standup and I don't know if I got it from Robert Klein, but it was a newsman ordering dinner with his wife.
00:51:55
If I can remember, it was like a surprise coming on my wife tonight. He's at a restaurant. She'll have the steak,
00:52:00
medium rare, and a cup of black coffee instead of the traditional cream and sugar. I'll have my coffee bed.
00:52:07
You did. I must have done it on a talk show or something. I could have done it on a talk show or standup.
00:52:12
That's a great bit. Uh I love I love I'm like you. I love all voices. I love all dialects. And I
00:52:18
so enjoy when I see uh people do them on Saturday Night Live. Uh the new young cast member does a trump that is so brilliant. Oh my god. And so and I just that's like so funny
00:52:31
and so brilliant. I I you know I I have to like watch it later almost because he's doing so many hooks. Excuse me. And
00:52:37
the people who a lot of people that saying many and he's doing all that stuff is great too. His Biden is just
00:52:44
good stuff. We can do this. We can do No, here's the deal. My father lost his job. I'm not kidding around here. We can
00:52:51
in fact do better. We can because I'm I'm out of my mind. Let me smell your hair. Biden is an interesting one. You know, the evolution of doing a president is
00:53:03
that the country still has to get used to Biden. The kind of defensive guy is come out a little bit angry and then befuddled all the different flavors he has, but we're still discovering him.
00:53:15
The whisper thing and then he goes kind of loud. Yeah. And sort of my dad would do that when he was 90. It was kind of a patronizing
00:53:22
whisper cuz I know what I'm doing. Oh man. That's right. We can do this now. Number
00:53:30
one, the one part. Number two, what the guy said, number three. Come on, folks. He's always admonishing us for not
00:53:36
understanding. It's not rocket science. There there's some really, really interesting new cast members.
00:53:42
Uh, Chloe Fineman. Yeah, she's a Groundling. She's a friend of my daughter Hannah's.
00:53:48
Been telling me about her for years. So, I watched your daughter today. She's she's really really funny and talented.
00:53:55
I just saw her on cuz I knew I was going to be talking to you and she reminds me of you. There's a
00:54:00
droll dry. Yeah. I mean, there's just a Well, I would just say this. Her stuff is very smart, you know.
00:54:07
Thank you. Yes, we're we're just, you know, beside ourselves. Um Oh, I I She belongs there. I mean, she's
00:54:15
going to she is having a career. She She's on Hacks now, and she's just really good. And so I can't
00:54:21
imagine what that must feel like to have a do have someone have success because oh you look at her her mom and now you're the daughter and following a big act to follow and she's doing great
00:54:33
great job. Well her talent is completely different than mine and my older child's talent is
00:54:39
also they're also they started doing standup when they were 15 and they're on they're on Lois Spookies Julio's show. M
00:54:47
um and uh they both their talent is completely different than mine and that is exciting to watch. But you know my only contribution really was and this is
00:54:58
so inappropriate but when I was driving when I was driving them to school I mean
00:55:03
this is like grade school. I would play the scar brothers and Maria Bamford and Patton Oswald, you know. Okay. Cuz mommy needed to be entertained. Damn
00:55:15
it. You know, I was not going to listen to radio [ __ ] Disney another second, you know. Oh, you gave him some good standups. Wow. Yeah. But your daughter came when she came on
00:55:26
Co Bear the first time, this is Hannah, she did kind of like a little story about her mom and dad and sperm donors and stuff and it was very very sketch. That's why it wasn't traditional
00:55:39
standup. That's why it reminded me of style. It's very different. And I saw her set at Dynasty Typewriter this last
00:55:46
Sunday and it was pretty much new material and 40minut set and it was so good and so
00:55:53
interesting. It was like how the hell did you come up with that stuff, you know? Interesting. Wow. Well, that's a a great
00:56:00
way to close the podcast cuz that's that's like this gigantic perfect full circle
00:56:06
talking about that and you know the apple does not fall very far from the tree. you'll find.
00:56:13
Uh, but anyway, that's very sweet, Lorraine. I'm so happy I think I met one of your
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daughters or both of them at that Al Franken thing we did. It was probably Hannah.
00:56:23
Probably Hannah. Yeah, she's, you know, whatever. Just a sweet little girl, but now she's Oh, that's cool. Um,
00:56:30
well, I've really enjoyed this a lot. So fun, you guys. I really did. And, uh, thank you for having me, too. And good
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