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He came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruz. Oh. In my mind, I added a Z and I thought he
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was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or Spaniard or something. Right. It was it was it was warlock or bust.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I said to Dave, I said, "If that if that breaks loose, we're we're clearly
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in in the crush zone, right?" And I said, "Are you cool if I'm the last guy
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like on this planet that you interact with?"
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Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen, the one and only. Internationally known as God is my
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witness. Mhm. I don't know what that means. You need a witness for that. For what?
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That's God. It's just a figure speech. Charlie Sheen. What a career. Um, yeah.
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Huge movies. You were talking about his run of movies like from 21 years old. I think he popped
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into Ferris Buer with a cameo. Just a good-looking burnout dude. Did one scene and uh stood out.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think he stayed up all night for that to show that he was a guy that stayed up all night. Yes. And when you're 19, you stay up all
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night. It's not a massive. It's not a big deal. Yeah. He's wasted. Yeah. But I guess he uh I think with
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Charlie when he went off the rails a little bit was too much fame, too
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good-looking, and too rich. It's just you get everything you want. It's a very odd I don't know the feeling. It's very
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odd being medium rich, medium looking, and mediumness across the
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different. So yeah, he just has everything. All girls are falling at his feet and he's got drugs wherever he goes and
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every celebrity wants to hang out with him. So yeah, huge uh movie star. He's 21. He's
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doing Wall Street. It really it's kind of unparalleled how many movies he's made
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such a young age and just Yeah. And then he got into all the funny movies, you know,
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Hot Shots. Hot Shots. Yeah. Major League. There's like so many to talk about.
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And then he does this massive sitcom, Two and a Half Men. one of the
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one of the last ones of that kind of of that kind of big audience syndicated
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fat money and then he he really and there's no real limits. He doesn't care what we ask
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him and he was pretty funny. We were light and loose with them and we couldn't do it in person cuz I
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think all of us were sick. Remember I was feeling great. I was full co.
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Yeah. Yeah. I I enjoyed this one a lot with Charlie Sheen. I I found him really charming. I know he's had a lot of rough
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times in his life, but uh the guy I met on the Zoom is a real charming, humble,
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nice guy. Yeah. And funny, too. You decide, folks. Here it comes. You decide and give us your comments.
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Here it comes. Here. Okay. What song is this, Charlie? What song? Here he comes again.
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Looking bad or what is that? Dolly body has a right to I I don't rec I don't recognize it.
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Dolly, here he comes again. All right. So, our producer said he here he comes. So, I
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just my head. Yeah, I think we're good. Awesome. Thank you, bro. Thank you, Charlie. This is a great place if you're
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a termite. That's Ailio Estz right there. Hey, can he hang out for a second? Cuz
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that was my first thing I wanted to talk about. They're asking for you, dude. Alio me.
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Do you mind? Why? This was one of my things because I wanted to not bore the [ __ ] out of you,
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Milio. I just wanna you're in my research. I'm not making this up. I was like cuz I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I saw
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the doc. I saw you guys doing all the little Super Eights and all that." And then your [ __ ] you do you got there's
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red dawn but you do platoon ferris buler wall street major league your brother
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does the outsiders repo man which I is a personal favorite breakfast club almost
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fire and then you connect with young guns. So what the [ __ ] that has never happened
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in history you both were like children little tiny kids becoming movie stars
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like that. Anyway, I that's why Amelia, I wanted to We just want to tell you you're a [ __ ] stud.
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Yeah. I mean, you guys are they just he he he can't hear you because I'm on the on the boat.
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We tell him we gave him a hundred compliments and now he gave you 100 compliments and it was all love and it was about the bre the
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breadth of our of our combined films in that in that time frame. And he said, "Then we did all that. We're giant movie
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stars as children." Yeah. So, yeah. But we were all we were all in the same
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We were all the same. I was a waiter till I was 24. Would he tell him that? He said he was a waiter till he was 24.
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Yeah, I wasn't in that boat. Wasn't in that boat. Um anyway.
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All right, Amelio. Sorry we can't hear you, but nice to see you, buddy. Thank you, bro. Thank you. I appreciate it.
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It's great to see him. That's cool. That's That's cool. That's a treat. But seriously,
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that was most of your time, Charlie. That was most of our time. We look better in person. Don't think of this
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what you're seeing now. We are We're pretty good-looking, David and I. You know,
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I just saw Charlie at the fight. Yeah, that was pretty that was pretty cool, wasn't it?
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You know what? Let me tell you, I'll tell Dana the funniest thing you said is right when I said Michael Irvin had his
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legs wrapped around your chair talking to someone behind him and you go, I don't think Michael Irwin knows spatial
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awareness. I mean, it was it was it was an astute observation, wasn't it?
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It was perfect because the chairs were this wide, right? They were little plastic chairs. I go,
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"Uh, Ted, surround us in front of you." I was like, "Ted, I want to talk to you about the shitty chairs when you get one second. It's too late now, but maybe for
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the next one." And uh they were all tied together, zip lines. They were zip tied together. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, spatial awareness is a funny word by afraid. It's a funny what you're doing, Charlie,
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when it comes to comedy. That was funny. You could have said it in a lot of different ways, but racial awareness
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because we're standups, you know, that's all we do. So, basically, well, he's a film star, but uh yeah, you're a
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comedian. Um, you know, just I I was looking at some of your rants. We can go wherever you want, but they're all
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really [ __ ] funny. That's what really struck me about that era of Tiger Blood and everything. I mean, they're they're
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comedically like I'm sure other people funny on top of everything else. It's not the rantings of a madman. It's
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a comedian unleashed, you know. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I' I' I've never heard it
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described as such. That's uh Are you on drugs? Yes, I'm on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen. That is
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That's like rhythmic. And And how are you doing? Winning. Not just I'm
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winning. By the way, these jokes are to like Katie Kirk or just the most flat audience Savannah Guthrie going,
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"Uh-huh." You have a bit a lot of problems in your life. You're like, "Or do I? I'm on Coke." And they're like,
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well, you're laying down magic. You didn't even know at the time cuz the the whole idea, which I think in therapy,
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they should use these quotes cuz they're funny and they're self-affirming. They're kind of saying, "Fuck you. Get
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out of my way." We all want to have that feeling sometimes, but I looked at them as the work of a comedian. I mean,
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they're just really, are you bipolar? I'm by winning. I win
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here. I win there. Now what? This is funny. They picked a fight with a warlock, you know. I mean, it's it's
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just funny. I don't know if anyone has I we're trying to think of stuff that you haven't been asked because I know this
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is your second interview around the book of Sheen. You've done one interview and then this.
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Yeah. So, we wanted to surprise you, but there are things I wanted to talk about. That's one of them. But David, do you
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have any questions? Go ahead. Charlie has a quick question. No, I just want to point something out. If I say, um, you've picked a fight with
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a warlock, right? That's like, um, that that that implies that I would have
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experience with that or I' I'd have some kind of perspective or context with that, right?
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I've never picked a fight with a warlock. No, I think that's kind of a just a life rule that that that you don't you see a
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warlock, you don't pick a fight, you know? No. And we all know I don't even know specifically what my image is, but
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warlock kind of means like some sort of weird mythological creature. You don't want to go near.
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Exactly. Exactly. Did you have Did you have any alt? Did you had an alternative to warlock or was
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that was just boom, they pick them up. It just comes out. It was warlock or bust. Yeah.
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He's got the phrases that are very catchy but no one has ever heard. Do you own these? No, they're all
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online. They're so Charlie. Part of it is when you're in these interviews and I watch these people with a lot of it unfortunately is
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fake concern for you. You know what I mean? They're like, "Hey, are you okay?" And you're like, "What do you give a
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[ __ ] Do you really care?" You're like, "Are you calling the kids every night?" You're like, "Do you want
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to babysit my" At a certain point, you start to go, "Are you really really?" If you really care, I'll tell you these
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answers, but you're kind of trying to get a pickup piece for your clip for the news or for your show. And so, you're
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using me to go, "Oh, I'm going to be the concerned person condescendingly asking
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Charlie." you're like, "I have $100 million. Is it horrible right now?" And that's that's kind of a weird place to
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be in where they're like, "Do we envy you or do we feel sorry?" You know, because you had a lot going.
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Yeah. No, but but but when somebody poses those questions, um, what do you think would have happened if I had said,
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"Um, I'm I'm not." And how how do you uh plan on helping me? Yeah. What are you doing?
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Like, do you have a guest room? Do you have uh Yeah. you know, do you have a do you have a stocked fridge? Um,
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is there crudete anywhere that I could have access, you know, any right? Um, so
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it's like Facebook moms putting on Facebook, I don't like when you showed a picture of your kid in the front seat. I
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you should never like what do you care? Are you really you really that worried? Anyway, we got so much to talk to
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Charlie about. I also want to just insert one thing on winning and also the way you said winning.
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Winning, you know, did that influence Trump kind of because he really works a
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word and he really you're going to be winning so much. You're going to win. You win. I don't know. There is something about that word there. Did you
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win? Yeah, I win. I'm winning. I'm winning more. You know, I don't know. It's just a interesting interaction
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historically, but who knows, right? But the but the book gets into the genesis of of that material.
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Oh, that's what I'm I'm so happy to hear. The book of Sheen. Yeah, thank you. Um and it's um you
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know, I I I kind of kept it uh kept it a secret for years that that it wasn't my
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original material that it was it was inserted into my brain sort of as a pep
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talk like a couple days earlier by a baseball player from the Giants named
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Brian Wilson, a guy nicknamed the beard. remember the beard? Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I I was watching a highlight
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package of his and I told my pal Tony Todd, I said, "Hey, I want to I want to talk to that dude and the next day I was
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on the phone and he just rolled out all all that stuff, the stuff that the material that turned into slogans and
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t-shirts and folk songs and everything else, right?" And so, yeah, but then I
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couldn't really say in the middle of that that that that that whole you, you know, tsunami that I was cresting on a
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nuclear surfboard, right? I couldn't I couldn't say, "By the way, all that [ __ ]
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was borrowed. That t-shirt you're wearing, not my stuff." I just had to roll with it. And then about midway
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through the all the chaos, I spoke to him and I said, "Hey, man. I'm sorry. sorry, I feel like I stole your stuff
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and maybe you had uh plans to use it elsewhere. And he said, "No, no, no. It's fine. It's um" I said, "And you're
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probably thinking that that that that you got it into the wrong brain and hence the wrong mouth." And he was like,
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"Well, you know, it's I never quite saw it going this far, but if if someone's
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going to borrow your material, then then spread the love. Why not?" Well, yeah, cuz it was the timing and
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the way you delivered it. We all had you saying it on all over the place. It's you saying it and the rhythm. I
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don't know if he was because that was your rhythm, right? Of the way, you know, the winning thing was originally
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delivered with that inflection with the high pitch too. Winning winning. Yeah. Yeah. I know. And that's
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why it it it got it got, you know, logged in there like that. Um.
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Mhm. So, um, his material, but then I think through my filters and, you know,
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through whatever else was going on, uh, it it it became what it what it did, you know,
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right? Because he was being interviewed sometimes by contrarians or whatever trying to talk to you and you were just
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coming back with something so extremely different than anyone would expect that
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that was part of the comedy of it. I don't know if he had people interviewing him, you know, in that way, but uh it's
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interesting. So, also losing isn't quite as catchy. It doesn't It doesn't losing.
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It really isn't. It really isn't. Hey, David,
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got an got an announcement to make. Yes, please. Prime big deal days is coming on October
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7th and 8th. It's got to be Amazon. Gotta be. Got to be. Got where the deals are. Mhm. You know
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the rest. I I actually have a bookmark on my computer of Amazon because
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a I did my special for them, of course. Oh, that's right. You were on Amazon Prime. Oh, yeah. This is their annual
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sales event from Amazon. Features tons of exclusive deals just for
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Prime members. I'm one. Prime members is where it's at because you're getting great deals. You get so
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many great things. lot of stuff, you know, deals up to 40% off on these
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prime big deal days, October 7th and 8th. So, you have to this is the time to make
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your moves because this is it, right? Now, now things I want to get that's
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trickier because there's a lot out there that if this is your time to buy Mhm.
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what do you get? What What would you be if you had to I put you on the spot. I know it's because you want to think
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about it. It's two days of prime big deal packed with great deals, lots of
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savings. So, I'm thinking for me, I'm going to
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tip a toe in the water with a a subwoofer. I've got a really nice TV. Subwoofer of all things. Okay.
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I know. A subwoofer. And it gives you that base thing. I've got a great TV in
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this area, but I I need a little oomph. So, I'm thinking a subwoofer. I've got
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my eye on that. What about you, David? Well,
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uh, I just put on a light jacket in this room. I know you've talked about light jackets. I need I desperately need a light
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jacket. Light jackets are where it's at cuz when I travel, I'm always on the plane and
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it's just hard to have a big puffer all the time. It's almost like you need one for the plane and sometimes I pack the
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puffer. Shocker. I know. I just have this jean jacket
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and this is it and it's kind of warm sometimes so I need some light ones when I'm on the, you know, podcast so forth
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and so on. Um, you know, I think I need a basketball. I think I need some sort of outdoorsy stuff.
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Um, and maybe something for a barbecue cuz I might be starting to get into that, right? And the great thing about Amazon
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Prime is to state the obvious, the selection is massive. I want to get a
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new microphone that's even makes me bassier and sexier and a new stand.
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Yeah, I want to get one. I want you to be bassier than sexier than me. I want a bassy sexy mic and you can put
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that in Amazon Prime and boom, you find it, you know. Well, listen. I mean, I'm always looking
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for a hot blow dryer. But the thing is,
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if you can think it, you can almost find it. Such a wide example.
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It is so vast. And I use Amazon Prime constantly to buy stuff. So, this is
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just sort of cool these two days where if you're thinking of stuff, a big ticket item and, you know, a great haird
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dryer or a travel hairdryer. Nothing wrong with that. That kind of stuff. One, we need you know enough maybe a new
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suitcase too, you know, all those kinds of things. All right. Well, now is the best time to get a great deal. Shop deals up to 40%
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Christmas. Shop Prime big deal days October 7th and 8th exclusively for Prime members. Charlie, here's a dumb
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question. Go ahead. You got You got one question. Go ahead. He can talk too though. You can talk.
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Thank you. Um, have you and I ever met, Dana? I don't think we've ever met.
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I don't think so either. No, I mean either. Yeah, we almost Fred Wolf was doing some kind
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of movie and you were in it and do it. Yeah. Mad Families. Yes. And I was for a
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while I was going to do that, but I just was doing standup or whatever I was doing, but we would have met then. Yes. Yeah. And and David and I had a
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scene together. Do you remember this? Oh, that's right. Matt found. Yeah. Do you remember? I I like rewrote it and I turned it in like three pages
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and I came to you like five minutes before we were going to shoot it. I'm like, "Let's do it this way, man." I was
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[ __ ] hammered, dude. I was hammered that day. Uh and apologies. Um, no.
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But we did we did have a nice vibe and a nice rhythm and a nice thing in in that
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scene, didn't we? Yes. I remember that was uh Nia Rivera was in that movie. Little was Lil Re in
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it. Li Lil. Yeah. Lil Re. And yeah, I I do remember coming
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to do one scene and I had to speak with everybody. I don't remember enough about it, but if you we if we did a collab
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uh that uh I hope it came out right. Mad family sort of was we call it under the
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radar because it was on Crackle. It was on Crackle. Yeah. Crackle
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um turned into an app. It was supposed to be like Netflix and then it kind of wasn't. Like very kind of wasn't
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wasn't um Yeah. They they they kind of bailed on it. You know, Charlie, do you remember the story of Tom Herz?
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try to put a show together with us. And it was after you left Two and a Half Men. And Tom Herz in all his wisdom was
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working on Two and a Half Men for years, I guess. Then he came to do Rules of Engagement, another show that I did. No, Tom Tom was on uh Spin City,
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I think. Also Spin Oh, Spin City. And then he came cuz he worked with you and he knew you.
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Sure. And then and then um he came to me and said, "What about you and Charlie
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doing a show?" And I said, "Isn't Charlie a little bit in the doghouse with the CBS?" Cuz it was literally in
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the middle of all that. Oh, yeah. And he says, "Uh, well, uh, Les
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Moonveves likes this idea." I was like, "He does." Even in the middle of Char I think
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either you guys were suing each other, there was some pure chaos obviously. And I was like, well, uh, and then it kind
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of fizzled out, but I thought it would have been fun back then. That was, uh, it would have been kind of a fun pairing.
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Yeah. So, it it No, it would have been awesome. And so, it would have been that instead of Anger Management, right?
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Oh, yeah. Maybe. Yeah, that's right. I think that's what you went into next. Oh, yeah. Was Anger Management was a 9010 deal.
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It was in It was 1090. Yeah. Yeah. Those are those deals, Dana, where you would shoot, it was sort of a new
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formula where you'd shoot 10 episodes and if they liked it, they'd buy the back 90.
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So, it's very interesting because you gamble and Charlie gambled and won again and he got
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a hundred out of it, right? Yeah, we got to 100, but it didn't um it didn't it didn't catch fire like like
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like we were kind of hoping, you know. Sure. Um but it's interesting. It's it's literally like a 10 episode pilot. Yeah.
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And so then they take the the average number from those episodes that air and
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it has to get above a certain threshold and if that happens then it activates the next 90.
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Yeah. 100 episodes. You get 100 episodes and you get backend on it or
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Exactly. Yeah. You take a lot less upfront salary but you you know have an ownership position um that's pretty
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significant uh when they work. But this one because I wasn't um I wasn't ready
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to go back to work, you know. Was it right after Two and a Half Men? So, it's hard to like go right to a
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show. It was about six months after. Yeah. That's that's pretty fast. Yeah. Yeah. Which for me probably felt
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like a weekend, you know, at the time in the middle of all that. Yeah. Um
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and Dana, you wouldn't like it. It's like two in a day, don't you? Shoot like you shoot faster. Yeah. and there's no audience and
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sometimes you're doing two shows a week or you didn't finish the second show from last week so you start the week
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with that so you're really trying to focus on three shows that week and it's just
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and it doesn't uh yeah I think a lot of the process um suffers you know not the thing to get you off drugs
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that's for sure definitely not no certainly not most of the casts end up on drugs when
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they do the 1090 thing I'm sure because of the the pressure I heard of my friend a friend of mine that
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we all know just did a 1090 deal or 9010 whatever we call it and uh I don't think it it kicked in.
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So it's the gamble you know you're betting on yourself and I think it's a pretty good gamble. I probably would have done one of those because it's
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something you get some money but there's a big uh high reward. Sure. Wait, your your your friend did
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one uh recently. Recently? That's what I had heard. Are they still kicking those around?
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Wow. Uh because I thought they kind of went away. Was it a multi?
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I'm pretty sure it would have been a multi. That's probably the fastest you can do it. Yeah. Okay. You know, I'll tell you after. But uh
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cuz I don't want to say anything about his real name because maybe he would feel like, oh, it didn't get picked up, but I'll tell you after. And um
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that's very interesting though that the 1090 could still be floating out there when syndication isn't quite as
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valuable. Obviously, you were you were sort of one of the last, not the last, but
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you your show two and a half men which is still on you know honestly too much and um it's on probably 12 stations at
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any given time. When was the end? I mean it was that when this uh the syndication thing
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started Big Bang was one of the biggest endings. Sure. Modern Family,
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you know. Um when when was it on as far as like when was it like actual broadcast?
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Yeah. the block when syndication was a really big thing still, you know, cuz that was Seinfeld the '9s and so forth,
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but I guess it got that pop and you were making a really good good salary.
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Yeah. You know, um I mean I I was I was trying to negotiate my way out of it. I
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was I was waiting for them to say it's, you know, all right, we're done. Seven is plenty. This guy's asking for the
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moon. We can only afford the only guy in America trying to get himself out of like a huge show. So by asking for so much money to get out
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basically. Yeah. I was calling they said yes. Okay. They said yes. And I was like but
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because I had a conversation with my manager when I was in rehab when they were trying to negotiate for uh eight
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and nine and I I felt like seven had just I kind of just reached my limit. I
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didn't see that we had a lot of stories left to tell, you know, and I just I' I'd completely lost a passion. um tons
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of tons of [ __ ] in the background in my personal life that wasn't, you know, I'm not I'm not blaming anyone, but it was making the job
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just more complicated than it had to be, you know, and and I told I told my manager, Mark, at the time, I said, "If
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I if I go back, I have a hunch that that something is going to go it's going to
00:24:35
go horrible. Dam's going to break. Dam's going to break." Yeah, man. Um, now do do you think that was a
00:24:41
self-fulfilling prophecy or do you think I just I just knew that that's how the planets were going to be
00:24:47
misaligned? Well, I think you know when you get overwhelmed. I think you know I mean everyone says money is the key thing but
00:24:53
when you already have money you've been rich probably since Apocalypse Now. You've had money a couple beans in your jeans. Apocalypse Now platoon
00:25:00
Red Dawn. He got back in on Red Dawn. It was it was over. It's still it's still paying. Yeah. Red
00:25:07
red dawn covers those Honda Accord payments just alone. So you got that and then you go everyone's your life is great with money
00:25:14
but it it sounds stupid but it does complicate a lot of things and you've got so many complications going on and I
00:25:20
think you had a trailer on the set as opposed to a dressing room. Did you have a bus or something or my I had I had a tour bus.
00:25:27
A tour bus. That's what I had heard. Yeah. I was jealous when I heard I had a marathon coach. Um it was pretty
00:25:33
cool. Right outside the stage door probably. Right. Like where you walk out and then
00:25:38
so you shoot. It was right there. Yeah. You shoot, you go in and wait and then you come back in and do your scene.
00:25:44
So you can do whatever you want in there obviously and probably took advantage of that.
00:25:50
Um two and a half not so much. Uh the stuff before it and the stuff after it
00:25:55
ve very much so much. Yeah. So um when did you first feel like incredibly
00:26:02
wealthy? What was it after Wall Street or when or for you, you know, you're in your early 20s? When did you kind of go,
00:26:09
"Holy [ __ ] I'm a millionaire or I'm close to a millionaire." You know, Teddy stuff, right?
00:26:15
It was probably like in like mid 90s. Okay. Yeah.
00:26:21
When you're about 30. Yeah. Yeah. But there was a moment early on when I got my first uh acting paycheck
00:26:29
from Grizzly. from Grizzly 2, the Predator. Oh, or the Revenge, as they retitled, the movie Grizzly. They did a sequel.
00:26:36
Yes. Yes. Yeah. And so, um, I made two grand a week and I was there for three. I I
00:26:42
made six grand. I didn't care. I didn't know about taxes or any of that [ __ ] And I went to the bank and just took it all in cash.
00:26:48
And I walked into a clothing store and there were these two kind of fancy uh
00:26:54
vests, not like a western vest, but like a like a camping vest, right? And I could I couldn't decide on the color. It
00:27:00
was like a blue one or a freaking green one. And I was like, I'm gonna take them both.
00:27:06
Whoa. Yeah. And they were like, you know, 40 bucks each, 60 bucks each, whatever. And
00:27:11
just laid out the cash. And literally in that moment, I felt, okay, all right, this is I'm feeling like a big shot.
00:27:18
Sure. And then you all take both. And then you go, you like that [ __ ] And the lady
00:27:24
goes, oh, there's where that came from, [ __ ] Why are you being aggressive? I don't know,
00:27:29
[ __ ] Maybe it's the money winning. How old are you? I'm 13, [ __ ]
00:27:35
I did a Police Academy movie and I was making not much money, but it was more than I ever had in my life. And I saw
00:27:40
some pants in the window in Toronto and I went in and the lady goes, "Those are
00:27:45
$60." It was like Pretty Woman, like those are for rich people. And I
00:27:51
go, "I'll take them." And she's like, "Whoa." Everyone store was like, "Whoa."
00:27:56
And I was like 60s nothing to me cuz I got a $100 in pium. So I bought it. I
00:28:02
literally there's very few times I've felt richer. We all have that story. You know I was
00:28:08
interesting and I'm sure this go in the book that you'd think hey Martin Sheen's dad he's growing up like a billionaire
00:28:15
you know and obviously in the documentary it's it's it's it's
00:28:20
pretty middle class you know. It's not fancy pants. You and you guys didn't
00:28:25
have money. Go ahead. You can see our house in the background of a lot of the Super Eight stuff, you know, and it's not a
00:28:31
mansion. It's not a not a manicured freaking No, no. It's very It's funky and cool.
00:28:37
Great for a kid. But I was wondering if anyone in that posi like I'm fascinated by Sean Penn and
00:28:43
Sean when did you meet Rob Low or are you your friends? Uh did anyone have a silver spoon or you're all
00:28:50
kind of middle class in a sense? We were we were all middle class. Um, uh, Rob's, uh, the the the lows came in
00:28:58
a little later and the reason, you know, he wasn't excluded intentionally, but the footage that the director Andrew
00:29:05
Renzy chose to incorporate was from, you know, the like the like the younger younger years, you know. M
00:29:11
um I think by the time I started making those films with with Rob and his brother Chad, um I think that I think
00:29:17
video uh videotape came into play that it was actually Do you remember this thing called the
00:29:24
uh it was like a Polaroid brand, but it was a Polaroid video camera. Do you
00:29:30
remember this? I never heard it it it developed in the player while you were
00:29:36
waiting and then and then it played it um was it called polar vision I think
00:29:43
so that's you know yeah so we were sort of in the cutting edge of like as the technology was improving um but no his
00:29:52
the Lowe's uh uh dad um was was still in Ohio and their stepdad was a
00:29:59
psychiatrist They lived right down the street. Uh Sean's parents, uh a director, actress. Uh you know, they
00:30:07
they were they married till the day they both died. Um and so but nobody was
00:30:12
nobody was rolling. Nobody was driving a fancy car or or fancy duds or or you
00:30:18
know, picking up a check. Um, so yeah, it was it was it was really a cool time to to just experience all of that and
00:30:26
not have a ton of uh excess and special effects and [ __ ] sort of in the way
00:30:31
of of of of those memories, you know, and Super Eight or whatever that was is so it's just emotional, you know, and
00:30:39
and I I think it's funny like every kid who ever got a hold of a camcorder or whatever, they always want to do war
00:30:44
scenes or crime scenes and want to do a death scene like ah, you know, sure.
00:30:50
Did you have a good go-to move like Oh. Um, yeah.
00:30:56
That the platoon move is a big one. William Defoe.
00:31:01
Oh, yeah. The whole Yeah, the crucifixion. Yeah, that's been reenacted all over.
00:31:07
Yeah. I actually um I have that as a sticker in my phone that I send people when I don't know how to respond. It's
00:31:14
just defo like that. So if you get if you get that, it just means I'm stumped, you know.
00:31:19
[ __ ] send me that. It is interesting of like the trifecta. I think you for Vietnam war films, you
00:31:26
know, you'd say Deer Hunter, Platoon and Apocalypse Now and there was a sheen in
00:31:31
two of them. And I think that that film really along with Wall Street and others
00:31:36
really holds up. You know, Platoon has has some magic to it. Thank you. Would you would you put
00:31:41
Would you put Full Metal Jacket in there anywhere or No, I'd put anything Kubric does is a given.
00:31:46
Yes. Yes, I would. That's a good call. Full Metal Jacket. Anything Kubric pretty much, you know,
00:31:52
sure is just magic. You know, Apocalypse Now, brilliant. Um Master
00:31:59
and Deer Hunter, you know, the mouth, you know, with Christopher Walkin. One of the greatest most intense scenes ever
00:32:05
made. So, yeah. But you're part of that and it's pretty cool. Thank you. Thank you,
00:32:10
Charlie. What movies did you turn down that sting the most? And I'll tell you which one.
00:32:15
If it's Opportunity Knox, I'm so sorry. If it's Tommy Boy, I'm going to be
00:32:21
I'm so sorry. It's between you and me. No, go ahead. I turned down um uh White Men Can't
00:32:27
Jump. Oh, for what? I guess you I would have been Woody. Yeah. And then
00:32:34
um just coincidentally um a bit later on I think it came after maybe before
00:32:40
I turned down um Indecent proposal. Whoa. So I I kept waiting for Woody to send me
00:32:48
some flowers and and thank me for advancing his career like I did. Those
00:32:53
were I found in Decent Proposal. You know, I'm a huge Redford fan. God bless us all. um and to me more and
00:33:00
everything, but I just found the movie very depressing. Woody's character was so like I mean that was the only thing
00:33:06
I'd say about Dodge. I I don't know. It just wasn't my favorite movie. Although it's skillfully brilliantly done. I just
00:33:12
was like, you know, I couldn't get past the thing that all right, they did that. He's got the money
00:33:18
to to to, you know, to lessen the sting a little bit. Yeah. And then spends it all on that chachki.
00:33:24
Right. Right. Like the little jade elephant or something or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or am I misremembering that? Um,
00:33:29
no. It was something weird. It was a very show is love was real and it wasn't about money and it wasn't about this,
00:33:36
but they still have to stay married and live with that moment, right? With the thing with Threadford stuff,
00:33:42
right? Yeah. You know, Charlie's agent wrote back, "Charlie likes it, uh,
00:33:48
but wants to tweak the ending pretty much." And they said, "It's we're pretty locked
00:33:53
in the ending." He said, "That's a pass from Charlie." That's pretty much how we Did you Did
00:33:58
you see Brokeback Mountain and Call Your Agent? Why the [ __ ] wasn't I up for this?
00:34:03
Um I have to admit, um it's kind of one of those films that's always been on
00:34:09
that unseen but need to get to it list, you know, and I think that we all sort of have. Um
00:34:15
so I never I never saw it, but I I hear it's fabulous. Well, it's it's Yeah, it's it's it's a
00:34:21
little heartbreaking, but yeah, the performances are exceptional, you know. Just Yeah. Good Fellas. Good Fellas.
00:34:28
Were you up for that? I was not up for Good Fellas. No. Karate Kid.
00:34:34
Uh, Karate Kid is is one that um that I actually had. Um I don't know if I could
00:34:40
um classify it as turning it down or describe it as turning it down. It's um
00:34:46
I just I I you know, it's in the book. It's in the dock, I think. Um, and that
00:34:52
I I just asked for some time because the advice from my dad was to was to stay to
00:34:58
honor my word with Grizzly and because I'd already, you know, committed to that
00:35:04
grizzly picture. That [ __ ] bear that bear that bear ate me twice, right?
00:35:09
Jaws on land grizzly. Um, so he said, um, if if if they wait
00:35:16
for you, it's meant to be. Um, if they don't, then it's your you know, your
00:35:22
reputation being a man of your word is going to sell you further than one big movie. I I from a from afar I I I do have a lot of
00:35:29
admiration for your dad. I I did meet him and I did something with him one time. It was just a a charity event. We
00:35:35
were all doing Shakespeare with Tom Hanks. But that's good. Yeah. Well, it was kind of like pretend
00:35:42
fun Shakespeare. Was it in the park? They do that in the summer. was in Santa Monica and in theater and it was
00:35:47
a reading, right? Isn't it a reading? Yeah. But then we all go out on stage and sort of get around and are reading,
00:35:53
you know, I'm doing impressions and things and that Shakespeare, you know, I one thing I was going to ask because fil
00:35:59
people who've been in brilliant films around brilliant people. Uh the you know, you've been across your
00:36:06
your partner, man or woman, and went, "Damn, you know, this this person is
00:36:11
exceptional." or someone who kind of took you back a little bit by just how great they were at this thing called acting.
00:36:17
Sure. Who who who might those Who was that? I I I wanted to bring up the elevator scene with your dad and you
00:36:24
that that was one of those moments um where you actually you get distracted
00:36:29
because you're you become an audience member and then wait but you're in the scene and [ __ ] it's my line. Uh you know what
00:36:37
I mean? It's like those moments and I had I had some of them with Michael Douglas on the same movie. Definitely had him definitely had him
00:36:43
with dad. Um even though he's only in it, you know, just a little bit. James Speder in Wall
00:36:49
Street. I was kind of like going, "Oh shit." So they're doing it like that now. You know what I'm saying? It was like this whole
00:36:56
thing. Um and then Yeah, it um Oh [ __ ] Um u Michael J. Fox. Yeah,
00:37:05
just that when we had a couple we had a couple scenes together, um he he had
00:37:10
transitioned out and I had stepped in, but he but he wanted to stay close enough to it to to like to bridge the
00:37:16
the the transition, you know, and and yeah, we we we did some scenes together and and it was it was other
00:37:24
level talent. I was like out. I mean, you look at back you take a look at Back to the Future. I always
00:37:29
sound like I'm doing Trump. But uh that's hard to do, you know, and I know he replaced Eric Stoultz, who probably
00:37:36
was great, but to be light, play it dramatic, and and ride that whole wave of those movies. Yeah, Michael J. Foxes.
00:37:42
I don't know if he's underrated or appropriately appreciated. But that's a great that's a great question.
00:37:48
But it's interesting because there's a thing that I do describe in the book, and it's it's it's really there for a
00:37:54
reason. uh you know, not just to to celebrate and to honor him, but also because that's like that's my last
00:38:00
outpost um before going on to two and a half. So, I was kind of symbolically
00:38:06
implying like, okay, I borrowed a little bit from this dude, you know, cuz there was tons flying off of him and took it
00:38:13
over to that thing and we know we saw how that thing went, you know, so
00:38:19
Well, it it's rare. Can you imagine how excited when they they get two and a half men together and Chuck Lori and
00:38:25
there the cast is there and then you're just you're winning you're killing it like because it is a skill set and you
00:38:32
started in spin city but then um you it's hard to find a leading man
00:38:37
handsome leading man who can also be very funny you know so they must have been you know
00:38:43
high-fiving at some point behind the scenes like you know just just because you're you're
00:38:49
you're great at this too, you know. Thank you. Thank you. Um, but it was all it was just playing the straight man,
00:38:55
you know, and when I did it in the hot shot, you know, but yeah, and some of that shots. That's right.
00:39:01
Well, when I did it in Hot Shots, I was I was borrowing, you know, a lot of stuff from Leslie Nielsen, you know.
00:39:07
Oh, who better to borrow. That was the theme of that was sort of the feel. Love that movie Hot Shot.
00:39:13
Oh, thank you. Thank you. And then I was borrowing stuff uh from Ted Dansen on Cheers for for for two and
00:39:21
a half. But I know he's a sober bartender and I was a drunk jingle writer, but just as far as the the
00:39:28
straight man and and you know what I'm saying? He's he's he's kind of the anchor and all the all the craziness
00:39:35
revolves around, you know, orbits his his his star, his planet. But you're not putting huge spin and
00:39:40
overacting. You're not like Kramer, you know what I mean? You're just saying your lines
00:39:45
and they sell themselves with good writing and they know how to write for you and you're just It's hard to be a funny straight man
00:39:52
like Andy Griffith was to Right. Right. Right. Yeah. But thank you. That's but
00:39:57
especially coming from you guys. Come on. Two two you know veterans
00:40:03
um and and and you know extremely successful veterans. Um to get comedic
00:40:08
compliments from you guys is really badass. So thank you. Well, don't you and your and your own personal life, you
00:40:14
know, kind of fall in love with talent. Um, you know, it's just kind of fun to watch, you know, and I and I I was this
00:40:20
was maybe a clumsy thing, but, you know, I thought of people who get out fast, you know, and it's it's a rare, but it's
00:40:28
kind of come that are very talented like I'm talking about Woody Allen and I'm talking about the Beatles, Bob Dylan,
00:40:35
you know, by 2122 Brando and you were kind of in in that group in a way. I'm
00:40:41
just saying loosely because you came out so good and so showed so much talent. But you know who musically who's your
00:40:48
who's your north star like when you the cannon of rock and roll? Are you Pink
00:40:53
Floyd? Are you are you Neil Young or Led Led Zeppelin?
00:40:58
Oh I just watched that documentary on the plane becoming pretty good.
00:41:05
Yeah. Yeah. I think they got a shot. That's probably legendary frontman Led Zeppelin. Yeah. What did you think of the doc? Did
00:41:11
you did Did you like it? I thought it was pretty good. You know, I always like when it gets to more I don't always like the beginning. I like
00:41:17
to know just to where I knew them, you know, and uh but it was very interesting and everyone loved it. So, I watched on
00:41:22
the plane. It was perfect. I ate it up very quickly. I love Yeah, it's excellent.
00:41:27
What was your thoughts? I love playing. I I would have liked that they got to if they'd taken it to Zep 4,
00:41:34
right? It could have gone. Yeah, because that's the one because they only started to get to the stuff I really liked and I was like,
00:41:40
"Wait, is that it? It's over." I was like, "Go, go, go, go, go." Yeah. Oh, we're landing. That's true. It was interesting for a
00:41:46
doc to show them. I guess it was on a TV show or somewhere, but you showed them really jam for like 12 minutes or
00:41:53
something like really go song to song. I think they showed one full song. I think it was rock and roll. They showed
00:41:59
the whole I think and I was like this is the one is probably I mean as good as any. Uh,
00:42:05
oh, question, Charlie. You collect things and uh I'm sort of been in your orbit. We're we're roughly the same age,
00:42:11
roughly in showbiz. You're you're obviously doing a ton of stuff, way
00:42:16
more, but in a weird way, I remember I'd heard I was at an Elvis auction at
00:42:22
Butterfield. And Butterfield in the old days, I sometimes buy collectibles and [ __ ] I think you're in a maybe baseball
00:42:29
cards. I've always heard that. And sure. Was there an Elvis green MMX you bought ever? Cuz I think I
00:42:36
had my eye on one of those. Wow. I said I think Charlie Sheen got it. You know, I'd love,000.
00:42:42
That's the kind of rumor that you want to embrace. That's a cool one. That's cool cuz then when the bill comes, everybody's kind of waiting for
00:42:48
you to drop that thing, right? Um cuz you can buy
00:42:54
D. I bought an Elvis set list, you know, like he wrote on the on some Michigan Hilton. He was writing all the songs
00:43:00
like Love Me Tender. His handwriting and [ __ ] Oh wow. And so I bought that and I bought a gun
00:43:05
he had and I bought something else. But I wanted this Amx but it was too rich
00:43:11
for my blood. And uh what did it cuz I didn't buy it. I I I never This is the first I'm hearing about this Elvis auction. Um it sounds
00:43:19
awesome. What How much did the MX go for? 50,000. 50,000. And that was 20 years ago.
00:43:26
Wow. because I was at the auction and Joey Espazito was there so they were like authenticating stuff
00:43:33
and I bought a watch and I don't have I don't think anything left from that because I lost the set list and
00:43:38
but I bought stuff before and I thought oh I think Charlie does um maybe baseball cards or just or maybe
00:43:44
baseballs I don't know but yeah I I've got Are you in and out of that biz or not? I've sold everything.
00:43:50
Okay. And and I should have come to that garage sale. Jesus Christ. What what did you how what did you sell that was a little bit
00:43:57
I I had I jeez I I had something like from every era. I had a lot of Babe Ruth
00:44:04
stuff. I had that famous um long white overcoat that he's seen in tons of
00:44:10
photos. Oh, had the coat. Oh, you had the coat. Yeah. Yeah, I had the coat. I mean, there's probably more than one, but I
00:44:15
had one of three probably. Um I had uh a lot of jerseys. um had a lot
00:44:22
of caps, a lot of hats, some great bats. But there there was a turning point moment where um cuz I had these cool
00:44:28
cases built at my house up in Malibu Lake years ago and I had been to the
00:44:33
Hall of Fame for the first time and I thought kind of this is back in like in 1991 and I thought what they had how
00:44:41
they had set it up was a bit shoddy. I thought this I could see like a moth like down in the corner behind the glass
00:44:47
and I was like what are they doing? Right. Right. Yeah. And so I I I I was inspired
00:44:52
by it. I wanted my cases in my house to be like nicer than the Hall of Fame in Coopertown, right?
00:44:58
And so we brought in the right people and you know um and they and they delivered
00:45:03
that, right? M but um then yeah, a couple years later I
00:45:09
was looking for something and I opened a dresser drawer up in my bedroom and there's a 1941 Ted Williams road jersey
00:45:17
like just folded nicely and in the drawer and I had I had that, you know, it's the area hit, you know, 406 and all
00:45:24
that and and I had that moment of if I don't have room on a wall for this, like
00:45:30
this is the last time that anybody ever did the thing he did while wearing that then I need to I need to recirculate a
00:45:38
lot of my these artifacts and antiques and just let others enjoy them and and then I I uh Leland's put together an
00:45:45
auction and it uh it was all sent back out into the world, you know. Interesting. and and some cards. They're
00:45:51
not a Honus Swagner card or was that I I had one called like the five pinhole
00:45:57
card because they're they they're so graded so anally and they have to describe
00:46:02
everything. And I guess I guess some kid back in the 20s like was sticking it up on a on a on a board or somewhere in his
00:46:10
bedroom and Oh, and yeah, but don't you think you'd at least just keep using the same hole?
00:46:16
Why did he have to make five holes? Um, no, those [ __ ] They're ruining
00:46:22
cards for the future. I don't know. They Yeah, they really were. So, um, but I'm sure that went a little pricey.
00:46:27
Uh, yeah, it was it was up there, but not nearly when the when that Wagner
00:46:33
card really got everyone's attention when Gretzky partnered with um was it
00:46:38
McNall, guy named and they paid like what' they pay for that like 500 grand. Everybody was like,
00:46:43
"This is out of control." And and now now you think about that, that's like chump change, right?
00:46:49
Yeah. I mean, all that stuff just keep it's one of the few niche places that
00:46:55
just keeps going up faster than stocks. It's they just when you people have a passion and they
00:47:01
collect their passion and even, you know, Jay Lenel probably has made more money or, you know, he
00:47:06
won't sell his cars. No. But he probably if he did he'd make more money off his passion than even
00:47:12
comedic career. You know, it's very I I have a friend who collects antique bottles and it's his collection is worth $3 million. He's
00:47:19
just dug them out of the San Francisco Bay because it was all landfill and you go in there at night. I went with him
00:47:24
and you dig where they're excavating a building where you're digging down a hole and then you see this little two
00:47:30
inches of ash and that's 1906 the earthquake and the fire. Then you go further and you're pulling out shoes and
00:47:35
stuff. Once in a while you get a bottle, you know, that's worth $50,000, you know. So, it's interesting to
00:47:42
further and you're in China. Yeah. You know, one thing I was going to ask Charlie about because I was seeing, you know, Cooperttown has this, I want
00:47:48
to have more. And we all have this 10-year-old boy inside of us and it's sometimes it's it's necessary to have
00:47:54
success is just to have a fair play uh competitive instinct. They do that. I
00:48:00
mean, Nicholas Cage was so competitive. I did a movie with him and we just made made fun of the competition, you know,
00:48:07
because because um Kurt Russell was in Tombstone and he had a line in the movie, "You're gonna throw down, boy."
00:48:15
If you remember the movie to Billy Billy Bob Thornton who weighed 220 pounds. So when Nicholas thought I did something
00:48:21
good, you threw down. You really threw down today, you know. Wow.
00:48:26
Wow. What What film did you guys do? Uh the films I do are aren't even on video and they they're banned from Earth. No,
00:48:33
it was uh Trapped in Paradise. Oh, we wandered around in the snow. We fell
00:48:38
around in the snow, me, him, and John Love it for for three months and somehow they put something together. Okay. But
00:48:45
Nicholas was a blast and one of the funniest and brightest guys I've ever met.
00:48:51
Was he one of your Malibu guys? Not Nicholas Cage, your your relationship with him. Yeah. No, he's not a Malibu guy. Um, he was a
00:48:58
town guy and a um and a and a Bay Area guy sort of back and forth, you know.
00:49:04
I'm sorry, what was the last question? Um, well, I I just wanted to know about your relationship with him, you know, because
00:49:09
you guys kind of hung out. I know there was, you know, extracurricular activities, but just as a person,
00:49:15
I I found him very charming and he's he's one of my favorite people. Um,
00:49:21
I I I we we don't see each other enough. Um but when we do it's uh it's it's it's
00:49:26
it's quite special. It um yeah because you because you talk about his
00:49:31
intellect, you know. Um and then you wrap that inside of this this you know
00:49:38
outlandish sense of humor just that is rooted somewhere outside of what what us
00:49:44
mortals can grasp. And it's uh it's a it's a it's an insane and beautiful mashup.
00:49:49
He he never saw acting as having to be accurate, you know. he just found that you could do whatever you wanted with
00:49:55
it. So, he's doing a scene. It's this cheesy movie and he's supposed to come in and kind of ask for forgiveness for
00:50:02
this girlfriend or something like that and he goes, "I'm going to do Daniel D Lewis from in the name of my father in
00:50:09
this take." So, he comes all of a sudden he comes out screaming, falls to his knees, why why?
00:50:18
And I was like, you can do that? I mean, he's a he's a he's a unicorn. I mean, there's no rules with him. There's no
00:50:24
rules with him. And and to have that kind of courage in inside that that that those spaces is
00:50:32
it it's it's to be marveled at, you know. Yeah. Oh, I got something. When was Tom Cruz
00:50:37
in or any of your early movies? Did you uh did you know he was going to be a big deal? Uh we knew. Yeah. pretty soon because
00:50:45
when Chris uh Sean's younger brother Chris Penn dropped out of high school and and bumrushed that set of taps
00:50:52
on the other side of the country, um he came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruz.
00:50:58
Oh, in my mind I added a Z and I thought he was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or Spaniard or something, right?
00:51:05
And then when I met him, I was like, "Oh, you're from Oklahoma." and and then he smiles and and and then you start to
00:51:11
engage his personality and his intellect and you're like, "Yeah, this guy this is there's something going on here for
00:51:17
sure." But Ailio and he became really tight because they um they were
00:51:22
auditioning for The Outsiders at the same time and helping each other prepare
00:51:28
for their auditions, you know, and then they both got it the the different roles. Um and they've they've they've
00:51:34
been great friends ever since. So, I was, you know, I was younger than them, so I've kind of like tagging along. But,
00:51:41
um, anytime I've, you know, seen Tom over the years wherever, he's awesome,
00:51:46
you know. Well, it's just become these last few years it's like you sort of just stand back in awe, you know, because I'm
00:51:53
basically a baby, you know. I may be hung from a wire once, but, you know, he's hanging on to airplanes and I know
00:51:58
like I'm strapped down. He's holding his breath for six minutes. I mean, you can't even What the [ __ ] So, you have
00:52:04
to see the movie. What the [ __ ] Yeah. Right. Yeah. But do do you think at some point
00:52:10
um he's gonna want to get back to like a magnolia?
00:52:15
Right. Right. Oh, yeah. Right. Which was a work of art and he was spectacular in that.
00:52:22
Yeah. What you got to respect the [ __ ] I'm sorry. Was that it? Was that was it? That's it. Yeah. Respect
00:52:28
the [ __ ] Yeah. He said it better than I did, but yeah. Um he's a force of nature. It's funny
00:52:34
because Sandler has the ability to go from a Paul Thomas Anderson movie to a
00:52:40
big broad happy go and he goes back Noah Bomb backach then he goes back to abroad
00:52:45
and I think Tom obviously can do anything he wants but you're right these are important but Mission Impossible to
00:52:51
Top Gun it's huge huge blockbusters but would he want to go smaller would he
00:52:56
want to go he could get an Oscar he's great I think if Christopher Nolan called him
00:53:01
or somebody like that he might get his attention I think so. I think so. I mean, he does
00:53:06
want to make movies that fill theaters and give people that that that that experience that they that connects them
00:53:11
back to their childhood. That that he's the savior of that. He's I think he's made himself the guy, the
00:53:17
spokesman. He and the filmmakers know this, but it was in Roman Holiday long time ago, but
00:53:23
basically nonverbal with music. So, the end of Top Gun, you have a six-minute montage
00:53:29
of the end of the movie of people tearing up, no real dialogue and saluting and we we we're alive and we
00:53:35
did this and I've seen other films do that F1 and uh where there's this silent movie added
00:53:41
onto the movie and it's very affecting, you know, that three or four minutes where you're seeing them in tears
00:53:47
looking at each other and it's uh all a lot of the blockbusters are using that now. So, it's just kind of interesting
00:53:53
to me. The Top Gun really got me emotionally because, you know, I hear Han Zimmerman, I hear
00:53:59
just the music. I'm kind of It gets me emotional. Sure. And then you see Tom Cruz is really good
00:54:04
at hugging someone, coming back. He's got this look in the tearary eyes and get you.
00:54:09
Yeah. Yeah. He he he insists that that that that we experience that moment with
00:54:15
him. Right. Right. Yeah. Now, is that the first Top Gun that you're referring to or is that is this the second one?
00:54:22
Second one. Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Which came out of nowhere and was a in movie theater big hit when the industry
00:54:28
really needed it obviously. But um and they tried to they tried to stream it, didn't they?
00:54:33
Whoa. He not on his watch. Was like no no
00:54:39
stuck to his young gun. Speaking of that, in 1988,
00:54:44
thank god they didn't wait 30 years between Grizzlies, right? I mean, that would have been a
00:54:52
been a disaster, you know. [ __ ] I think we're out of time, Dana. I
00:54:58
think we had a I think we had a wrap with Charlie Sheen. Any wrapup questions for this guy?
00:55:04
Not Not really. I think the book is The Book of Sheen, the documentary. I mean, we you know, we consciously we talked
00:55:10
about it. We didn't want to We We know you've done a lot of press, so we wanted to make this lighter and more fun and
00:55:15
wanted to pick your brain about relationships with your dad or whoever. So, Sure. No, this is this has been
00:55:21
incredibly refreshing. Um, good. That's what we wanted. Thank you. And and if I I'd like to
00:55:27
believe that I get invited back and that that'd be amazing. And then we
00:55:32
can do it like and be in the same room. Are you feeling okay with the thing that happened or Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm totally just want to
00:55:39
get didn't want to give you anything but yeah. No, and and thank you. I appreciate that. But I do have a
00:55:45
question for David. Um good. And um there was a weird moment during
00:55:52
the fight, right? And as soon as like I'm, you know, and and Michael's he's a lovely man.
00:55:59
He's just beautifully all over the place, but what a good dude. But when when I look over and I see Dave's name
00:56:08
on the chair next to me, I was like, "Okay, all right. I I I'm I'm I'm gonna
00:56:13
have some backup. Reinforcements come in." I don't know why I thought that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, he sits down and I'm like, "Did they
00:56:19
plan this knowing that we're this was already scheduled?" Right. So, they finally cut the chairs apart.
00:56:26
Everybody's having a great time. And I look up and I see this this giant rig
00:56:32
like where they had speakers and the lights thing. It weighs like, you know, four 100,000 tons, right?
00:56:39
And I said to Dave, I said, "If that if that breaks loose, we're we're clearly in in the crush zone, right?" And I
00:56:47
said, "Are you cool if I'm the last guy like on this planet that you interact
00:56:54
with?" And he took a beat. took a beat and and said something to
00:57:01
the effect of, "Yeah, yeah, I I I think I'm okay with that." And I said, "Good,
00:57:08
cuz I'm okay with it being you, too." You know, and so we really bonded there. I felt like we bonded there, man. And
00:57:15
clearly it didn't fall. But is that No, but I like that you put that in my head. Uh I think I was taking a beat
00:57:21
because I was thinking, what are the Does he know something I don't? Is this going to fall? And then Marshon Lynch
00:57:27
sat in front of me and blocked 110% of the fight. Oh my gosh, that's his head is this big. I go, "Wow, wait,
00:57:33
is the fight over?" I I go to watch on the screen now. Oh, I do that. Oh, I do that all the
00:57:40
time. Can this fall or is this Also, Dana, they show they show Michael J. Fox on the screen and I go, "For no
00:57:46
reason." You can tell he's still mad at you, Charlie. That was funny. That was funny. Yeah.
00:57:52
Based on nothing. That was excellent. That was fun to be at the fight with laughing because I
00:57:57
want you. Would you do you mind doing Michael J. Fox Casualties of War just for Charlie?
00:58:02
Oh, me? Uh, remember that movie Charlie? I do. I You love Michael J. Fox
00:58:09
is grabbing this. Yeah. And he's like, "Hey, Sarge. Hey,
00:58:16
you got to give me a minute on this here, Sarge." Oh, Christ. She's just a farm girl, Sarge. What are we doing
00:58:23
here? Exactly. That's amazing. It gets me gets me every time. Such an
00:58:30
obscure specific impression. Why J Fox in that movie? I was like, and Clarky was John C. Riley and Sean Ben's
00:58:37
like, "Fucking Clark, throw her down and take her clothes off." I'm like, "Hey, we got to get these VC gs. These VC go whore." I'm like, "What is
00:58:45
this?" I thought it was a fun comedy cuz it was Michael. I'm like, "This movie took a dark turn
00:58:51
and never turned back." Yeah, they're whatever. That's a funny
00:58:56
Sean was hard on him during that film, wasn't he? Oh, on Michael Foxid acting. I had heard
00:59:03
about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, he was just, you know, none of the didn't didn't want to cuz he's like, you're a sitcom guy kind
00:59:10
of. Well, that maybe that, but also just the character. Just the stay in character. Yeah. Resentment, you know?
00:59:16
Yeah. The alpha alpha. Yeah. Do you know I've only I've only worked with Shawn on Two
00:59:22
and a Half Men? I've only worked with Shawn in a in a in a comedic setting. He was brilliant.
00:59:28
It's It was our first episode, second season, and he's in a men's group and it was Elvis Castello and Harry Stanton and
00:59:35
me and Bobby Cooper. It was awesome. Um, but isn't that a trip that the first time he and I actually
00:59:41
I thought you done I thought he was one of your old movies. No, just the stuff you see in the dock where he shoots me
00:59:48
in my own backyard and then stuffs me in the refrigerator for Ailio to discover later on. It was nuts, you know.
00:59:55
Yeah. He can be very funny though. I think he went on Friends was very funny. Such an interesting character.
01:00:02
I go, "Wow, this guy's talented." Oh, right on. Right on. You know, Charlie, we'll do it again and we'll do it. We
01:00:07
got more to talk to you about because we'll do it in person.
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