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okay I have a little observation right
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before I mean this is part of my judge
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hey Dave before we talk about our friend
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Mike Judge because I we now call him our
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friend great dude
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um do you
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accept cookies every time you see it
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because whoever thought of the phrase
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except cookies is a genius because
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really they should ask can we spy on you
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yeah can we spy on you but except
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cookies they take me right back to a 10
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year old well [ __ ] yes I'm gonna accept
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some cookies I'll accept all cookies and
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more but do you sometimes go if I don't
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accept the cookies whatever I'm looking
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at won't be as good like it'll it just
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it'll take out the good parts they'll
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take out the good parts it won't be as
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good so I'll accept cookies and get the
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really good article no you know I do it
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on Instagram and it says oh just do you
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want to cookies it doesn't matter if you
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want cookies or not and I go no and they
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go okay bye and then you're just off the
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website you know I go well so it's sort
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of I I have to I think they should
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change it to how about a brownie and
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then you say yes or no hey how about a
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brownie well is it like a cookie yeah
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like instead of accept cookies how about
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a brownie and you go yes and then they
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spy they get legally Legally can Harvest
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your information and sell it to people
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all over the world
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they should say a brownie is a
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harvesting mechanism we spy on you while
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you're in the shower and while you're on
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your laptop and I go well that's fun I
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just want to read this article about uh
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you know trying to find the best route
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to drive to Big Fork Montana I don't
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need you counting on my personal details
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looking at my apps okay I just want to
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see pics of JLo's wedding nuptials
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go on with Affleck he's a doozy let me
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tell you that's that's uh that's forever
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I love those too all right so Mike Judge
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great guy here he comes uh sweetheart
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worked on SNL so there is a a wispy
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connection uh he did Milton yeah we get
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into that hard he did Beavis and butted
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for us which is great because he uh it's
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so cool to see him do in person I know
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because he he's unassuming and shy and
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sweet and then when he goes into Beavis
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and Butthead it's kind of magic yeah and
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then he did Hank from King of the Hill
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and his eyes were all rolling around I
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said and so just to see him do it and I
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told him it's just there's something
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about Beavis and Butthead that is
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endlessly funny it's kind of like a
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Tarantino movie
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just two idiots looking at hot dogs hot
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dogs
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it never doesn't make me laugh and it
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was so much fun to hear his process how
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he learned to draw how he did those
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voices what his influences were yeah and
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listen he's Rich if I had his money I'd
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throw mine away here he is Mike Judge
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why would you no you're fine why don't
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you ask Mom no gotta get rid of it like
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Danny said it's all comes down to
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paintings and planes carving in the end
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of the day you're at Hemingway's In
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Paris that's where Bill Gates goes all
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right but getting a Monet and on a G7 to
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a must cast a little more pricey
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that's that clinch jaw Dennis
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[Music]
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so why would you want to get out of
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California I mean was it the homeless
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and the regulations and taxes or or is
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it just like being gunned down in the
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streets I mean this place is like The
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Purge dude I see a guy in the street you
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know his pants around his ankle and he's
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screaming on my way to the grocery store
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it doesn't ding me it doesn't change how
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much time I see that I go why is his
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dick bigger than mine that's all I can
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think about they always have full heads
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of hair
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you know they have full a full head of
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hair and I can't [ __ ] I just I eat
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right and exercise
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you won in other ways it's like a day
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something about that creates fairness
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there's great hair and I go you know
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we're on camera live for Greg to see I
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thought it keeps Richards has all his
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right he didn't get hair plugs did he
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who Keith Richards I'm just thinking of
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like no no other junkies he went bandana
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like Nadal I've seen the French Open
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yesterday I was at the dentist and he's
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got the big bandana you can either be a
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pirate or a cowboy when you get older
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yeah the pirate would be aware even
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Tyler it's all distracting and it's all
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Jangles and may all that stuff and then
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the cowboy would be Jeff Bridges and
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Mickey Roar Just get rough and tumble so
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which one are you Mike I'm gonna have to
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go but I'm barely uh I just gotta wear a
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hat or something I know listen I do it
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too the hair thing it drives you crazy
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and then you go
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would you trade places with that
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homeless guy because he has great hair
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and then you think about it for a while
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you go well it's a push I always ask my
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friends because I try to understand the
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crisis and I go alone
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somewhere and you couldn't afford the
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rent would you move to a less expensive
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place 10 miles away would you pitch
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pitch a tent
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and uh no one has said picture dance so
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far
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well let's get to Mike
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haven't we been recording this whole
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time unfortunately yeah well the thing
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about what Mike and I were talking about
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David if you don't mind for a second
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yeah
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um we're just talking about integrity of
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shows or something I can't remember my
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voice over voice over he was asking us
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Dana has an animated show well not
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animated invisible voice it's a podcast
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like an old time radio show right right
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okay but we you know my sons and I and
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my their friend childhood friend we love
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the Twilight Zone so obsessed by it all
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the kids would watch it at my house
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because I had VHS and so this is
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basically our trying to bring that back
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a little bit you know so well he's a
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good place uh check it out kids Mike and
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I let's just start briefly because this
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is you guys you know sort of about SNL
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but we can always go away go into your
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other stuff because you have a million
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things uh so Mike and I met
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um goddamn I think you were gone were
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you gone when Mike came might have just
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missed them you might have just missed I
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met Mike when he visited the Wayne's
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World yeah visited oh yeah yeah Wayne's
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World two I think it was or wasn't it so
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I think it might have been one and uh
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yes I'm hoping I uh
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no super cool first time I'd ever been
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on a set
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um and then I met I think I first met
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you at the VMAs maybe or before it or
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something but you took me you're talking
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about when we I went to SNL I think
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because you went to SNL because you had
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a desk yeah well you and I'll thank you
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for that now you uh you kind of hooked
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me up I had to before the Beavis and
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Butthead short I had a one called office
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space that was the Milton and Lumberg
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which you
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showed to Lauren
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ah
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three more of them that weren't very
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good the fourth one was all right but uh
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for SNL and then you know eventually led
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to the movie later yeah
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yes uh I now did office space would jump
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around here but was it one of those ones
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that wasn't like a 100 million dollar
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movie and then it just lived on forever
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is a huge called Hit or was it yeah also
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a hit no it wasn't a hit at the box
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office but it was not at all it was uh
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but it didn't cost a lot of money the
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budget was 10 million I think
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um and uh what year was that came out in
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99 okay and came in like
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sixth or eighth place or something
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opening weekend
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yeah I didn't and then yeah then but
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then
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a year or two later it started really
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like it was charting in the like the
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Blockbuster VHS
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that's where they make big money I mean
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Tommy Boy was not a huge hit and uh well
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it actually was not a good job they
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opened number one but they were both uh
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open number one at like 35 million where
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it wasn't like a mega monster no that's
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what they totally made Joe Dirt
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open Joe Dirt might have opened number
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one but it was still again it wasn't
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like a huge hit those are the ones that
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you really can't tell about a movie
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until five ten years later to see if it
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really sunk in because there's big ones
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that made more money that no one talks
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about so they they open big and fade out
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but I like when they stick around is
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there like about maybe 40 good movies
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all in the world well my wife and I at
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night were like Godfather again okay
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Sound of Music honey uh yeah we're
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really we watched eye as a needle with
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Donald Sutherland which is pretty cool
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but it's hard to find a great movie what
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I I was curious about is you're doing
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Beavis and Butthead coming out with a
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new movie
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yeah it just came out and then the news
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it's out already just straight to it was
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on Paramount plus yeah so what was it
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still there so it needs to be churned
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and talked about it but it wasn't you
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didn't have an opening weekend was that
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your first experience with that yeah
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it's weird um it's just out there yeah
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you just put it on the you plastic and
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there's no they don't you know they
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don't
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announce or publish any ratings or any
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data so you don't uh it was a New York
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Times critic pick
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um it's like 90 something percent on
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Rotten Tomatoes so it's Rotten Tomatoes
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Rotten Tomatoes are still around so
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that's I've gotten a couple of Threes in
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my small films
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yeah
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well that's I guess that's on the critic
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side and then the audience side is in
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the 80s maybe I don't know I should I
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should look it up but it's on Paramount
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plus right now yeah Paramount plus just
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wanna streaming on Paramount plus and
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Beavis and butt head take on the
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universe or what was it yeah it's called
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Beavis and butted do the universe
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that's pretty good
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[Music]
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oh yeah let's ask Mike if um back in the
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SNL days I think this is a rumor that
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maybe we started that that if we did her
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if you did a Beavis and Butthead movie
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that Adam and I would be Beavis and
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butted yeah we that was that was disgust
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yeah and
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but uh you know we ended up I mean they
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still when was it going to talk about uh
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yeah I think I I don't know how that
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I don't know how I don't remember at
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what point it was uh
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salary but yeah they probably asked for
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a [ __ ] ton of money but they got to back
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up the brink strike no I was you know
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Mike gave me a uh Beavis necklace
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do you remember this oh yeah the pewter
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there's a pewter's necklace because
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not because we're gonna do the movie
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Just because I thought Beavis but it was
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hilarious and uh he gave me this thing
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that was maybe one of a kind maybe it
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was his merch but either way I loved it
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and it was very nice so I wore it to and
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my buddy in town and they said Lauren or
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someone from the show said Kate Moss is
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having her birthday you guys would like
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to go down and say hi so do some version
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of that we uh I was with my buddy I
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don't think you went and uh no we went
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down it was our 21st birthday
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and so it's just like a party party I
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don't know her whatever and then they
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said oh go say hi to her so now we're
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forced together you know and everyone's
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looking go say hi to Kim and she's
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smoking a cig and uh too cool I'm just
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like hey uh explaining that I'm like a
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clown in America or whatever I do and
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she's very Posh yeah she was super cute
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and then she goes Beavis could you sell
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my necklace I go oh yeah I taught her
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like as a foreign country I go in
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America this is a and she's like right
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give it to me and I go give you give you
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this one it's my birthday
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this is a present to me and she goes
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give it and everyone's looking like what
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the [ __ ] you waiting for dude
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can we hear it what didn't she want oh
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she wanted the necklace yeah I thought
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she wanted you to do the character no
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she wanted a necklace she said give it
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to me yeah and she said it 10 times and
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they go it's her birthday and I go all
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right all right so I gave it to her yeah
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these models they're not entitled I know
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Johnny Depp she got whatever she wanted
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I was like need any cash for the cab so
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you gave it to her because I gave it to
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her and that was it at least she could
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have worn it in the photos
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that's pretty I guess it's bad I thought
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in my head I go Michael be glad at least
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she's wearing it because okay so I'm
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gonna compliment uh David Dave that was
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a great story yeah and Mike okay well
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anyway I am a fanatic there's millions
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of us for Beavis and Butthead and I was
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at the time doing Wayne's World but I
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honestly I have total appreciation for
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Wayne's World my thought [ __ ]
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that's funnier than what we're doing
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it's sort of similar you know well it
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because it's I don't know about it
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the abstraction of just two characters
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and I want to know how you got connected
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to them maybe you said it on other
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podcasts but just standing there
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and I guess looking at hot dogs and dogs
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for like a minute that kind of humor
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just really resonates with me it lasts
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right I could see it right now if you
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showed me 10 seconds of them he said
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balls
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I mean just that with no real I don't
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know how you describe that kind of he
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also got to watch videos right and then
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they make fun of the videos which is
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genius because that's what people do at
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home and it's it's yeah it but the
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rhythm of those guys I I know you
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probably but how did you and you're
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attached to them so completely and yet
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here you are kind of just Mike a regular
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guy but then the these characters come
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out of you it's just very it's like
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magic it's like a magic trick yeah I
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don't know like it I mean
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it's hard to I don't know as you know
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having done great characters like you
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don't know exactly where it comes from
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but like it but um
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with this I guess I was you know I'd
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done it was the fourth short I had done
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and um
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I don't know I just I'd drawn them and
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just look and I was trying to draw
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somebody completely different and it
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went a different way and I kept like I
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dropped how many drafts of things of
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butt head drunk it looks like they're
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not finished yeah yeah they're not
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finished
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that's the thing like I wanted I wanted
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them to actually and now I'm not a great
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animator at all I was just
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but but I I wanted them to look
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like they were drawn by a deranged 14
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year old or something like I wanted it
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to yeah and I also wanted like on the
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original Charlie Brown's I love the way
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pigpen just he was drunk he was kind of
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sloppy and messy and he had this like I
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was imagining butt head's hair like that
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and I don't know then once I drew them
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it just seemed like they just can't say
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anything clever yeah okay they're just
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like there was there were guys that kind
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of different people that I knew growing
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up in Albuquerque that just
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I was like are they really that dumb
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like yeah
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like rudimentary like can you read it
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all like what you know like
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and um
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yeah I don't know just sort of and and
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being you know I'd done this short
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called frog baseball and that's what
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started it all and uh I watched it today
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oh yeah oh good I think you could do
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that today you know just to intercept
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for just the Lo-Fi drawing of it or with
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the rudimentary drawing it just it it
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it's really kind of post-modern in a
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sense it's almost like Basquiat if
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you're familiar with him actually you
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know a childlike Brilliance and I love
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basket yeah I love his stuff like I I
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also he's on next week I also really
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draw like him like you know all the um
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National Lampoon I was really into all
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the
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the comics that were in there that like
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um buddy Hickerson uh Linda Berry well
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she was in
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Mary Kay Brown like a lot of these uh
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Mimi Pond all these great
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um what was the other guy Mark Merrick
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like but also I mean this is gonna say
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I'm not trying to at all compare myself
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to great artists but beavis's eyes I
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thought were like Picasso eyes you know
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I always wondered where those came from
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and that's such a specific choice and it
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gives the characters so much so they're
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like cats eyes that are slanted yeah
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like when I was when I was in high
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school I took a
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it was like a art uh history elective or
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something like that and and I used to
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just start drawing Picasso stuff in my
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notebooks this makes I don't draw very
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well I'm just sort of like I I was never
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like proud of what I draw but I would
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draw occasionally I would do a pretty
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good caricature of a teacher or
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something but yeah with Beavis I had his
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um
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yeah I kind of did Picasso eyes on him
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which none of the other characters in
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the show have it's like you know Mickey
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Mouse is Mickey Mouse but then all the
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side characters are like they had to
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commit to them
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I mean like the long jaw and the teeth
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of his butt head it's like yeah Beavis
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has that yeah and then Butthead has the
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gums yeah kind of thing yeah and I
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wanted to animate his mouth because like
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when you have braces like people when
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they're smiling they're they don't their
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corners of mouth don't really go up very
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unless it's a huge smile and yeah when
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you have braces you kind of go you're
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going like that all the time yeah he
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laughs his mouth is like going down when
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it became a show I had to just
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all these really animators way better
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than me I'd say no no they don't they
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don't laugh like they'd have them do
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shoulders up and like it's like no no
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that's not how they left they left you
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got to animate
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does it sound too high flute to say it's
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kind of what you're doing is Artistic
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because anyone could draw something real
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well like to draw surreal that creates
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the hole is greater than somebody yeah
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like an animation maybe there if it was
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a contest like who could draw the most
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perfect person but luckily it's not so
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it's like Simpsons look weird and you
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just picked a different sort of
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interesting look it doesn't have to be
00:18:02
perfect but if you buy into it the voice
00:18:04
match up then it's bought into it yeah
00:18:06
well that's the thing also like I could
00:18:07
have instilled to this day I mean the
00:18:09
new movie like we have some incredible
00:18:11
people worked on it that it looks
00:18:14
pretty epic but Beavis and buttheads
00:18:16
still look like themselves because
00:18:17
anytime
00:18:18
in the past we tried to clean it up or
00:18:21
it just stopped being as funny you know
00:18:23
um
00:18:24
I think it's true like South Park
00:18:25
there's just you know
00:18:27
when those four characters it if it's if
00:18:32
it got too fancy and sure was you know
00:18:34
if you animated them 3D it just it's
00:18:36
yeah
00:18:38
South Park both being brilliant shows
00:18:41
but this Lo-Fi I mean you look at Walt
00:18:44
Disney's animation yeah yeah and then I
00:18:46
don't know if you were one of the first
00:18:47
but it seems post-modern it seems like
00:18:49
it would be very hip now
00:18:52
um just to have that kind of animation
00:18:54
and then of course South Park went with
00:18:56
sort of cardboard puppet animation yeah
00:18:58
there's more of an animation yeah well I
00:19:00
think
00:19:00
I I was probably the first to have a
00:19:03
mainstream cartoon like that but there
00:19:05
were independent animators that were
00:19:06
starting like the sky West Archer there
00:19:09
was a lot of um actually Mary Kay Brown
00:19:12
when The Simpsons she had shorts that
00:19:15
were in this Tracy Allman show that I
00:19:17
thought were amazing I think it's
00:19:19
impossible to Google because the way
00:19:20
it's called Dr nagatu and there's an
00:19:22
exclamation point in the middle of her
00:19:24
last name and uh but anyway there were
00:19:28
there were people
00:19:29
um doing it doing it like I wanted to I
00:19:31
read National Lampoon and think man how
00:19:34
come this stuff isn't animated like this
00:19:36
kind of this this sensibility and this
00:19:38
trial of drawing and so that's what I
00:19:40
was trying to do when I was animating my
00:19:41
my shorts is to try to can I ask you a
00:19:45
technical question I think also led to
00:19:47
the magic of it so Milton and the first
00:19:51
you know frog and the whatever was
00:19:52
amazing about that so you had a 16
00:19:54
millimeter got a bolex But but so Milton
00:19:59
is like moving there there's a there's a
00:20:01
shimmering yeah
00:20:03
yeah every every drawing well what I did
00:20:06
with Milton
00:20:07
if you want me getting the weeds here um
00:20:12
our fans are mostly animators they call
00:20:15
it a boiling yeah it's called a boil uh
00:20:18
every every two frames is a new drawing
00:20:21
okay what so so
00:20:23
that way yeah
00:20:25
um and then was it for time's sake or
00:20:28
Finance sake or an actual artistic
00:20:30
Choice it was to give it partly movement
00:20:33
I would say I was a little artistic but
00:20:36
really like I I uh I didn't have cells I
00:20:39
did that with colored pencils and ink so
00:20:42
to only move one part you need to sell
00:20:45
back then you know you did an overlay I
00:20:48
didn't hadn't tried working with that so
00:20:51
I I had like a cut out like his desk as
00:20:53
a overlay cut it cut around the corner
00:20:57
of the cubicle you're drawing this thing
00:20:59
and you got this camera
00:21:01
I'm putting a new piece of paper
00:21:04
underneath it every time and click and
00:21:06
give it some click it to give it
00:21:07
movement just like stuck Foundation
00:21:09
claymation yeah click it you click it
00:21:12
you go like click click just if it's
00:21:14
when you yeah that one I shot on my
00:21:16
bolex then when I I sold that one I
00:21:20
don't know how much it cost me for the
00:21:21
film and everything was like and for the
00:21:24
camera like probably 700 bucks or
00:21:27
something and and I sold it
00:21:30
for I got two thousand dollars for it so
00:21:32
I said okay next time I'm going to rent
00:21:33
time on a camera and so I shot it on a
00:21:36
better my later stuff that was the only
00:21:38
one I shot on the bollocks I could see
00:21:40
why SNL would love Milton yeah because
00:21:42
it's uh we thought again it's like
00:21:45
um doing uh whatever worker Be Working
00:21:49
Class People what's their life like and
00:21:51
the torture of being in the cubicle and
00:21:53
the boss who's a dick you know when you
00:21:55
do office space off of Milton first of
00:21:57
all it must be hard to make Milton a
00:21:58
real character and try to capture it but
00:22:01
office space had so much more going on
00:22:02
that Milton wasn't even that you got a
00:22:04
whole great movie out of it without just
00:22:06
going it's the Milton movie you know
00:22:08
yeah well that's that's actually it
00:22:09
started out Peter chernin at Fox saw
00:22:12
those shorts and said this should be a
00:22:15
movie and so it was going to be a Milton
00:22:17
movie and I just kept I couldn't wrap my
00:22:19
head around like
00:22:20
like I don't kind of I don't want to
00:22:23
know what he does at home I don't like I
00:22:25
don't I don't I didn't see a whole movie
00:22:26
centered on him so they had Writers come
00:22:28
in and Pitch it nothing really landed
00:22:29
and then
00:22:30
then but they kept wanting something and
00:22:33
then they said well what if you make it
00:22:34
like an ensemble
00:22:36
cast like the movie Car Wash and I said
00:22:38
oh yeah that's now
00:22:42
I guess
00:22:47
comedy that probably wasn't even a term
00:22:49
boring boring cubicles
00:22:51
yeah but I was gonna animate like a
00:22:54
series like vignettes of office
00:22:55
characters like cubicle characters so so
00:22:57
that's kind of what I if Beavis and
00:22:59
Butthead hadn't happened that's what I
00:23:01
was going to do next was more well it
00:23:03
was nice it's almost like an indie
00:23:04
filmmaker doing a film low budget in one
00:23:07
location because the cubicle is very
00:23:09
simple but super effective you had the
00:23:11
guy yes the guy at the door that was it
00:23:13
yeah a lot a lot of them
00:23:17
um
00:23:19
what would Mike say David well because a
00:23:23
lot of times you get on MTV or Comedy
00:23:26
Central and you're a victim of the
00:23:27
budget so it's so the budget is so low
00:23:30
that South Park makes them look
00:23:32
cardboard because that's all they can do
00:23:33
and and then you know so you can't make
00:23:35
it so professional and then
00:23:37
indirectly it just sort of turns into a
00:23:40
hit because of the uh not cheapness but
00:23:42
you know always makes it yeah there's a
00:23:44
charm to the charm to it yeah you can't
00:23:46
you animation now or at least a few
00:23:47
years ago would be like okay rap uh
00:23:50
we'll get it out in three years we'll
00:23:52
see you guys yeah that was a great read
00:23:54
love y'all see you in 2027. so I think
00:23:57
part of obviously uh South Park has a
00:24:00
can I go back to a 2001 question oh sure
00:24:02
sure so when the monkey gets the bone
00:24:04
what go with this go with this Mike and
00:24:07
David yeah the monkey gets the bone
00:24:09
right oh is this a movie 2001 yeah I'm
00:24:11
referring to the monkey going ah because
00:24:13
the model has put the thought so it's
00:24:15
like going like this going like this and
00:24:18
then it starts hitting stuff using it as
00:24:21
a weapon and there's that moment of
00:24:23
creativity so I'm thinking of Mike young
00:24:26
Mike
00:24:27
does these two goofy characters
00:24:29
rudimentary Van Gogh Basquiat and then
00:24:34
wherever you're gonna draw from with the
00:24:36
monkey with the bone it's like what do
00:24:38
these two guys sound like and I don't
00:24:40
know if it was over time or an epiphany
00:24:43
but the voices are so peculiar so rich
00:24:46
and so bizarre so where'd they come from
00:24:48
and if you don't have an answer David
00:24:49
will answer no I do have an answer for
00:24:51
well
00:24:52
so Beavis actually so when I the guy
00:24:56
that I was trying to draw was absolutely
00:24:59
nothing like Beavis he's actually an
00:25:01
engineer now and he was a straight A
00:25:02
student and it was a funny name he's a
00:25:04
brilliant guy he was not named Beavis
00:25:06
and he was he in fact he was super nerdy
00:25:09
and we had a
00:25:11
in Calculus class he sat in the front
00:25:15
and I remember I was like you can cut
00:25:18
the story down if it goes too long but I
00:25:20
love it I had no one had ever heard of a
00:25:22
hot teacher like it just didn't happen
00:25:24
and and this friend of mine's coming
00:25:25
down the hallway and goes have you seen
00:25:27
the new math teacher oh my God whatever
00:25:29
but she was like a former Dallas Cowboys
00:25:31
Cheerleader and and she was really
00:25:33
beautiful and he sat in front of class
00:25:36
and he was so wound up like he was just
00:25:38
he'd constantly be biting his living
00:25:40
room
00:25:42
and he'd be laughing at everything she
00:25:44
said she wouldn't even wouldn't even be
00:25:46
funny she'd say okay and then this is an
00:25:47
easier way to do it explaining allergies
00:25:50
and he was always kind of looking back
00:25:53
and so can I hear that advice one more
00:25:56
time
00:25:58
so you but he was sitting next to him
00:26:01
and observing I'm sitting in the back
00:26:02
and me and this other guy hysterical Bob
00:26:04
McCarthy and then my other friend Mike
00:26:06
sidibaca we I started imitating him like
00:26:09
he would do it then I'd be in the back
00:26:10
I'd go man and then they started doing
00:26:12
it and the teacher sheep what's her name
00:26:15
she got really pissed and
00:26:18
chewed chewed me out one time like shoot
00:26:21
us all out because we just kept doing
00:26:22
that and and then
00:26:24
like just she got really emotional and I
00:26:26
was like apologized and everything then
00:26:28
she turns around the chalkboard and my
00:26:29
friends
00:26:35
won that in the front row he was doing
00:26:37
that to repress his absolute horniness
00:26:40
for the teacher that's what I seemed
00:26:41
like yeah he was just so wound up and
00:26:43
when you did it for your friends did he
00:26:45
talk or was just that one song it was
00:26:47
just the same all I would do was the
00:26:49
laugh okay so but he didn't really talk
00:26:51
like Beavis but I I was trying to draw
00:26:54
him when I ended up drawing Beavis and
00:26:56
Butthead they were both attempts to draw
00:26:58
him and it was kind of going a different
00:27:00
way but I thought they looked funny and
00:27:01
for some reason I drew Beavis with a
00:27:03
lighter in his hand and I was just
00:27:05
imagining him
00:27:08
excited like it's just a scary
00:27:12
um like there there had been this uh
00:27:14
this guitar player with Delbert
00:27:16
McClinton who um he had I used to be a
00:27:19
musician but I remember he just was
00:27:21
looking at some guy and he said boy he'd
00:27:22
start a fire
00:27:23
[Laughter]
00:27:25
this was a little like pyro yeah like a
00:27:28
little his little pyro which got us into
00:27:30
trouble and then butthead I didn't die
00:27:32
so you're a scientist and a musician
00:27:36
but so I just I just was looking at the
00:27:38
drawing and just
00:27:40
um thinking like what would he
00:27:42
sound the idea of someone just laughing
00:27:44
all the time I hadn't I'd seen it um
00:27:46
like there was a Mimi Pond cartoon in uh
00:27:50
National Lampoon where she just had this
00:27:52
weirdo getting on a bus and he's just
00:27:53
going like it just was written it's
00:27:55
always kind of and I thought that was
00:27:56
kind of funny like the idea that there
00:27:58
was another there was a something else
00:28:00
I'd read in National Lampoon they just
00:28:02
described some guy that just had a dumb
00:28:04
laugh and I don't know I just it just
00:28:06
seemed right and I wanted them to just
00:28:09
be laughing all the time and barely
00:28:10
talking and just deranged idiots it's
00:28:12
like the last that's when it talks
00:28:15
well yeah Beavis barely said anything at
00:28:17
first I thought I was thinking a brain
00:28:20
fried guy who just yeah
00:28:29
yeah the first one of those was uh
00:28:33
them watching like uh I had to watch a
00:28:36
Barry White video
00:28:41
yeah like the horniest but one of the
00:28:43
charms of it and Wayne's World had it a
00:28:45
little bit but was that they see they're
00:28:47
generally having so much fun like the
00:28:50
two losers in town they're having more
00:28:52
fun anybody in the town yeah yeah it's
00:28:54
by the way my my daughter's
00:28:57
uh like Wayne's World a lot more than
00:28:59
Beavis and buttheads really my son
00:29:01
wanted to come meet you uh totally
00:29:04
changed my life blew my life beats about
00:29:06
it the movie all of it blew my mind wow
00:29:09
this life stayed the same oh Wayne's
00:29:11
World yeah that wasn't so funny dad
00:29:20
[Music]
00:29:22
I like that Mike used to did you program
00:29:24
F-18 Hornet Jets and then you go I might
00:29:27
switch I I worked on uh I didn't well I
00:29:30
I worked yeah my first engineering job
00:29:32
was uh
00:29:35
yeah that was an electronic test
00:29:37
engineering for the uh uh yeah it was
00:29:39
F-18 was it was a fun all very boring
00:29:43
except for F-18 I guess like I wasn't
00:29:44
out on the tarmac like I was in a cube
00:29:47
you were basically Mavericks so you're a
00:29:50
science whiz in high school and college
00:29:52
and you worked yeah I was good at you
00:29:55
know I could do when did you get down do
00:29:56
you know how to find the base of an
00:29:57
isosceles triangle yeah
00:30:01
most communities at school and I've
00:30:04
never met him
00:30:05
they're not that many
00:30:08
um there's there's a few there's a
00:30:09
couple Simpsons writers that have
00:30:11
there's one I think George Meyer well
00:30:13
there's some Harvard David S Cohen and
00:30:15
uh who's Ken Keeler I think is his name
00:30:17
has a I think he's got a PhD or
00:30:19
something yeah there's no well you were
00:30:21
a science kid and everything but you
00:30:22
were you also like doing voices and
00:30:24
making people laugh yeah I did I did
00:30:27
imitations
00:30:28
a lot yeah from I started started
00:30:31
realizing I could do them in high school
00:30:32
I think I peaked my senior year in high
00:30:34
school I was were they have famous
00:30:35
people or not that's the thing it would
00:30:37
have they were all just teachers and
00:30:40
classmates they didn't do anybody famous
00:30:41
I I'm kind of still that way I don't I I
00:30:45
don't know I guess
00:30:46
like uh
00:30:48
I can I can do yeah it's like people I
00:30:51
know and if occasionally if it's a
00:30:52
famous person I know I can do them but I
00:30:54
don't I like often do them I don't know
00:30:56
why that's the same thing if you do a
00:30:58
depression of a friend and then that
00:31:00
friend becomes famous and now it's not a
00:31:03
character it's an impersonation right
00:31:04
but if it's not knowing church lady was
00:31:06
just teachers I knew Garth was my
00:31:09
brother you know I remember reading that
00:31:10
yeah absolutely and he he's a lives in
00:31:13
Albuquerque for years ABQ yeah
00:31:22
with Amiga computers early night oh yeah
00:31:25
first Like Home Video Toaster the home
00:31:28
video recording system for people want
00:31:30
to yeah videos at home
00:31:33
wasn't that like early 80s or something
00:31:35
or even older well no it might have been
00:31:37
might have been mid 80s mid 80s yeah
00:31:39
maybe yeah he I wore a toaster t-shirt
00:31:43
as in Wayne's World 2 as Garth
00:31:45
underneath the thing is that why he was
00:31:47
in Albuquerque was there because Mr
00:31:50
Capital One you know he was in Silicon
00:31:52
he was in Silicon Valley another place
00:31:54
in one of your shows uh Microsoft moved
00:31:57
to uh Albuquerque just his wife was
00:32:00
going for a masters at the University of
00:32:02
New Mexico and he just worked from there
00:32:04
and so he still works at Sandia Labs now
00:32:07
he's an engineer okay yeah that's what I
00:32:09
was wondering if yes India I have an
00:32:10
office space David
00:32:12
um
00:32:16
office space had Aniston in it too yeah
00:32:19
right Jennifer Aniston she's great what
00:32:22
was she like she's just very funny very
00:32:25
good she was great the whole thing was
00:32:27
great I heard good comedy TGA Fridays
00:32:29
lost their flare because that did you
00:32:31
read that yeah they well they they
00:32:33
publicly tweeted that it wasn't because
00:32:35
of office space but uh a waiter waitress
00:32:38
whatever you uh told uh my the second ID
00:32:42
told me that
00:32:44
that she asked someone
00:32:46
at TGI Fridays about that and they said
00:32:48
after that movie Office Space we we
00:32:50
ditched the flare the flare but uh yeah
00:32:54
that was something I I had I had in the
00:32:56
script uh I had the line about um
00:33:00
we're not in Kansas anymore and uh then
00:33:03
this this writer Brent Forster I was
00:33:05
working with he he was in Austin and he
00:33:09
worked on King of the Hill and he was
00:33:12
staying at a hotel next to TGI Fridays I
00:33:14
said hey if you get a chance can you go
00:33:15
like I was too chicken [ __ ] to just I
00:33:18
don't know I didn't want to like I I
00:33:19
said can you just ask them because
00:33:21
clearly they don't they don't wear those
00:33:23
because they want to I mean all those
00:33:25
all those buttons must be and I was just
00:33:27
curious like well everyone has them and
00:33:30
do they you know do they tell you you
00:33:33
have to have a certain number or
00:33:34
whatever and
00:33:35
and then he was about to
00:33:37
to get the car to the airport and I said
00:33:39
hey did you ever did you ever get to TGI
00:33:41
Fridays and goes oh yeah yeah they're
00:33:43
they're actually called pieces of flair
00:33:44
and you have to wear 15 of them and you
00:33:47
and I was like oh my God how long have
00:33:49
you been sitting on this
00:33:50
juicy one and so then we started riffing
00:33:53
on that stuff and I was a very last
00:33:56
minute ad all those
00:33:57
but but that was to give because when
00:34:00
casting her enabled that kind of made
00:34:03
the studio relax more about casting all
00:34:05
these unknowns or semi unknowns so King
00:34:08
of the Hill also just didn't say she was
00:34:10
also smart to go my son's favorite and I
00:34:12
remember they they liked the Simpsons
00:34:14
they fell in love with South Park later
00:34:16
but it was always King of the Hill
00:34:18
really well always what what the ghost
00:34:21
star are you doing I mean that guy you
00:34:23
know yeah that had another magic charm
00:34:25
to it I mean it's famous right it's huge
00:34:28
yeah that was a I mean it's it's
00:34:29
something that was one of my that was it
00:34:32
right yeah Hank was a combination of
00:34:34
imitations of um there was a guy in my
00:34:37
paper route me and my brother had a
00:34:39
paper out and uh he was our first time
00:34:43
collecting he uh the black thing is yeah
00:34:46
you go at the end of the month you'd
00:34:47
collect oh did it yeah and he thought we
00:34:50
were like he's he said uh he was always
00:34:53
out in his front yard with a beer just
00:34:54
like drinking real slow and I love those
00:34:57
he was like uh he he said uh well you
00:35:00
ain't my paper
00:35:03
that guy quit and we're the new paper
00:35:07
boys said well I know what my paper boy
00:35:09
looks like and you ain't him
00:35:12
and then he he uh said yeah we're not
00:35:15
saying his face
00:35:17
his eyes are getting very big but he
00:35:19
does yeah he had that kind of Sorrow
00:35:21
looking around yeah and he brings his
00:35:23
wife over so Marcy come here is that the
00:35:26
paper boy they ain't the paper boy I
00:35:29
said no we're not saying we're that guy
00:35:32
and then
00:35:34
um we said well we're going to have to
00:35:35
cancel your papers well I'm going to get
00:35:38
the paper when the real paper Boy comes
00:35:40
if that's because you're collecting
00:35:43
which is uh yeah in uh to the audience
00:35:46
that's what the enemy you go get the
00:35:48
money for the paper right because my
00:35:50
buddy said I'd go with him oh yeah oh
00:35:52
you did that in Arizona yeah do the
00:35:54
paper then you got to go do the
00:35:55
collecting which was the hard part you
00:35:57
hit him up for the cash at the end of
00:35:58
the month you get up at 4 4 30.
00:36:03
but you yeah this show was so Charming
00:36:06
because it wasn't political it wasn't
00:36:07
violent it was small town charms small
00:36:10
town stories which isn't real it's hard
00:36:13
to get that right though yeah and make
00:36:15
it funny really
00:36:17
um yeah when we had some great writers
00:36:19
and it but it was uh Greg Daniels is
00:36:21
Greg yeah Ultra learn krinsky we had
00:36:25
we had some really great people on that
00:36:28
um and it was yeah it was just like uh
00:36:31
kind of down home you know like uh
00:36:33
because the Simpsons was
00:36:35
was so I love The Simpsons but you know
00:36:38
they're going into outer space yeah
00:36:39
Whimsical taking advantage everything
00:36:42
you can do in animation yeah I chose to
00:36:44
not take advantage of any of that but uh
00:36:46
yours might as well benefit yeah well
00:36:49
that's was the way I stood out but let
00:36:51
me ask you a question so you're you're
00:36:52
drawing the main characters and you you
00:36:54
kind of in your head have an idea how
00:36:56
they sound and then it's a series so are
00:36:59
you passing out other voice there's
00:37:00
other voice actors in there you're doing
00:37:02
like three or four of them I just did I
00:37:04
did Hank and Boomhauer the guy who talks
00:37:07
gibberish and and that was pretty much
00:37:09
it how does Boomhauer sound again uh
00:37:10
that was sort of that was based on a I
00:37:12
have told the story on it but it was
00:37:15
based on a couple different uh things
00:37:17
but the one that I would go to the guy
00:37:19
when Beavis and Butthead was going
00:37:22
um I didn't have an assistant like for
00:37:24
the first year of it and and you could
00:37:26
anyone could call I guess and get my
00:37:29
um my voicemail and somebody had called
00:37:31
complaining about the show and it was
00:37:33
just like
00:37:33
just hillbilly deranged dude and he
00:37:37
thought the name of the show was Porky's
00:37:38
butthole and the call I still have it uh
00:37:42
it's he goes uh well I've been calling
00:37:45
y'all a better month now grab about
00:37:46
y'all remember time that dangle freaking
00:37:48
off loot Tunes come on you put on with
00:37:50
Daniel pogi's freaking old butthole and
00:37:52
uh and I couldn't just let you go you're
00:37:55
going to sell drop them commercial damn
00:37:56
day we got on kids to poke his butthole
00:37:58
yo yo and he's just like I couldn't he
00:38:03
seems to be complaining also that it's
00:38:04
also because they would start the show
00:38:06
like two minutes off or early to get
00:38:09
people who are Channel flipping so he's
00:38:11
saying like y'all make three minutes
00:38:12
late and last time going three minutes
00:38:14
late next time you deal with the job
00:38:16
name of pokey's butthole
00:38:19
so you pick up I don't know how you get
00:38:21
that out of yeah Beavis and butted I
00:38:24
just think it's like cartoons Looney
00:38:25
Tunes Porky yeah
00:38:29
right like really insecure guy right
00:38:32
like we do have fun and everything right
00:38:33
that'd be cool right he's trying to see
00:38:36
right I base it on him but I exaggerated
00:38:38
it like oh is it yeah that might sound
00:38:41
like was it before he was famous no I
00:38:45
just took it from it was three idiots in
00:38:47
the scripted podcast the ones the Marine
00:38:48
linger and goes what do you think you
00:38:50
think Cloud's like a baby yeah it's
00:38:52
pretty experience
00:38:56
right so that was it's basically you
00:38:59
take the source material of that in your
00:39:02
case and then you just extrapolate it
00:39:04
out and exactly funny version yeah like
00:39:07
Yeah Joe Dirt sound
00:39:09
like me
00:39:11
yeah yeah
00:39:14
hey boys we're gonna stand there owning
00:39:17
a firework stand yeah
00:39:19
and tell me you don't got no Roman
00:39:22
candles you were like the first person
00:39:25
to really do the the mullet redneck yeah
00:39:28
that was the first kind of movie no I
00:39:30
think it was uh it was accepted because
00:39:33
I wasn't making fun of the South really
00:39:35
I was actually the guy was super charge
00:39:37
guy yeah and for once I wasn't sarcastic
00:39:40
yeah no he was the hero yeah I was
00:39:43
trying really hard to get through life
00:39:45
and something about that clicked with
00:39:47
people that I mean there's no other
00:39:49
explanation I think likability goes a
00:39:52
long way I think yeah you know Joe Dirt
00:39:54
was just a likable character and it
00:39:56
didn't [ __ ] on the south or make fun of
00:39:57
it it didn't wink he was sincere yeah
00:39:59
looking for his parents and bullied and
00:40:01
a lot of people are bullied and so when
00:40:03
you get yeah you see that you're a great
00:40:05
name
00:40:15
I love it so when you're when you're
00:40:18
casting other people then you show them
00:40:20
the some animation and some ideas or you
00:40:22
let them look at it or how to how do you
00:40:24
get them and when you're so connected we
00:40:26
what we did uh it was um yeah that was
00:40:29
the first time I really
00:40:31
cast something and we had standees of
00:40:35
the drawings okay so I mean my drawings
00:40:38
are were very well still are like very
00:40:41
crude drawings and when you blow them up
00:40:42
to that size they look even cruder like
00:40:45
the shaky pen but we had we had these
00:40:47
cutouts and
00:40:49
I would I wouldn't look at the actors I
00:40:51
would look at the drawings when when
00:40:54
they win yeah so they oh so they're in
00:40:56
and you're looking just at the standard
00:40:58
it doesn't matter what they're yeah what
00:41:00
they look like yeah what they look like
00:41:01
or what they're doing with their face or
00:41:03
how famous or anything it's just not the
00:41:04
yeah so you hear the voice and you're
00:41:06
looking at the thing without looking at
00:41:07
them and then yeah you do to Eureka
00:41:09
moment I mean how many auditions before
00:41:11
apart
00:41:12
um quite a few I mean they'd narrow it
00:41:14
down and Greg and I would uh listen to
00:41:16
you know like the
00:41:18
the final ones but yeah yeah it
00:41:20
definitely like I think where animation
00:41:22
goes wrong a lot of the times especially
00:41:24
when they're
00:41:25
when they're trying to cram celebrities
00:41:27
in is that that there's that thing where
00:41:30
this the sum is greater than the parts
00:41:32
but you know where the voice and the
00:41:35
drawing come together in a way that's
00:41:36
that just fires on all cylinders and
00:41:39
yeah so I would you know I would look at
00:41:41
that and like when Steven root read I
00:41:43
mean Steven Roots also just naturally
00:41:45
funny like a lot of them like you all
00:41:47
are but he but like he uh that clicked
00:41:50
and then the one that we had a little
00:41:52
bit of a because we were talking earlier
00:41:54
about the celebrity thing was the
00:41:56
character Dale which Johnny Hardwick was
00:41:58
one of the writers in a stand-up
00:42:00
comedian I think you know him way back
00:42:02
yeah
00:42:03
and he was one of the writers and we had
00:42:04
him read and it just fit that like it
00:42:07
was just something popped yeah and you
00:42:09
know there was a lot of they wanted they
00:42:11
just kept pitching celebrities doing the
00:42:13
voice and none of them
00:42:16
really not there yeah
00:42:19
actors it just doesn't fit the drawings
00:42:21
it doesn't really it doesn't seem to
00:42:22
help that much like yeah
00:42:25
for three seconds there are so many
00:42:28
movies that have famous people and
00:42:31
especially in the 90s that like after
00:42:33
Toy Story it was like you have to have a
00:42:35
big star dude oh yeah there's so many
00:42:37
failed huge budget animated movies have
00:42:39
failed with huge stars and nothing
00:42:41
against the stars but they just it's
00:42:44
like it's like you get this famous
00:42:46
person and this animated this designer
00:42:48
and there's no thought of putting a of
00:42:50
how it all clicks together you know yeah
00:42:52
that happens a lot I mean sometimes
00:42:54
there is it just needs when I did that
00:42:56
uh the Llama movie you had a big well
00:42:59
the Amber's new group yeah that was uh
00:43:01
yeah I remember going in at work and
00:43:03
they said that one I love that one they
00:43:05
said yeah
00:43:06
my only good reviews uh and you're
00:43:09
playing a llama I'm a llama well it was
00:43:11
the prince and the Pauper the first uh
00:43:14
Mike might know a little bit of this
00:43:16
because he's in that world but it was a
00:43:18
big Disney movie I think uh Michael
00:43:20
eisner's that probably was running it so
00:43:22
I get brought in I was doing just shoot
00:43:24
me and um I played as Prince and Owen
00:43:26
Wilson who's your buddies uh our buddy
00:43:28
is playing the uh I think it was a
00:43:31
popper so it was basically going to be
00:43:32
we switched bodies or we switch lives
00:43:35
I'm the the queen is Carla Gugino so I
00:43:39
think those are the three people that
00:43:40
had Windows voice of the she would no no
00:43:42
so we do it for a year and a half
00:43:45
and I'm doing the voice and it was such
00:43:47
an it was before you got paid so it was
00:43:49
just an honor
00:43:53
Ed
00:43:57
so yeah I literally was making like a
00:44:00
little over scale and I so after a year
00:44:02
and a half I go hey guys is that a wrap
00:44:03
like do you got it and uh because you
00:44:06
know they give you pieces of the script
00:44:08
so after a year and a half they show an
00:44:10
animatic to Michael Eisner and he
00:44:13
he doesn't like it
00:44:14
and they're already Millions into it and
00:44:16
they say uh what else what else could
00:44:19
this studio executive and they and they
00:44:21
said we had another idea where he goes I
00:44:24
sort of like the sarcastic Prince
00:44:27
and he goes what about which is me and
00:44:28
he goes what about that he they had an
00:44:31
idea that I turned into a llama or
00:44:32
something is yeah do that one and so
00:44:34
another year and a half we had to change
00:44:36
everything again and do it all over by
00:44:38
the end I didn't want to even go in
00:44:39
anymore I go I don't know what we're
00:44:40
doing we're just ad-living riffing doing
00:44:42
stuff and when I saw it I was thinking
00:44:44
about my head this is going to be a
00:44:46
disaster and it was it made me laugh I
00:44:47
thought it was so funny I go yeah God
00:44:49
these guys are good they know how to do
00:44:51
it well they made it work you know it
00:44:52
looked cool it was a slightly different
00:44:54
look it was one of the first uh see Dana
00:44:56
wouldn't notice he would know that I
00:44:57
would just go look at the funny pictures
00:44:59
well my daughter had when she was like
00:45:02
eight or nine I think she had there was
00:45:04
a full oh sorry there's a full page ad
00:45:06
for it in the in a magazine that she had
00:45:09
pulled out and stuck on her wall oh
00:45:11
because you want to see it yeah because
00:45:12
it was like but it just had a different
00:45:14
had a cool design I thought it was like
00:45:16
it didn't look like the typical Disney
00:45:19
from what I remembered like they finally
00:45:21
started to do something a little
00:45:22
different and it was so fun to do
00:45:23
because I I can't even give myself the
00:45:25
credit because I would make up jokes and
00:45:26
give me jokes but it was more they have
00:45:29
so much going on around the story with
00:45:30
the animation that they make everything
00:45:32
funnier and better you know what I mean
00:45:34
like even in Hotel Transylvania
00:45:35
everything it doesn't read as funny and
00:45:37
then when you see them do it they know
00:45:38
what they're doing so no it just adds to
00:45:40
jokes so much it can go wrong so many
00:45:42
ways so it works it works I I actually
00:45:45
read for an animated TV show once and uh
00:45:48
I think I blew blew it because I came
00:45:50
into the audition and they said Mike's
00:45:51
looking at the standee you can come in
00:45:53
now
00:45:55
Mike is looking away
00:46:03
well let's ask Mike if he met Lauren and
00:46:06
if he did you ever have to meet Lauren
00:46:07
and sit with him and talk to you yeah
00:46:08
and when did you get the call that snls
00:46:11
yeah you use Milton oh so well I first
00:46:13
met Lauren actually when I visited your
00:46:15
set I was I was on the way I was that
00:46:17
was my first hello Hollywood flying me
00:46:19
out and then you came to the set yeah
00:46:22
yeah so I met like a bunch of Studio
00:46:24
Executives and they're all like kind of
00:46:26
really like friendly and yeah we love
00:46:29
your stuff and you know all that yeah
00:46:31
yeah and uh I'm like oh my God Lauren
00:46:33
Michael's I'm gonna meet him this is
00:46:34
going to be amazing and
00:46:35
uh that's it's like oh he's not ready
00:46:38
yet why don't you go visit the set
00:46:39
that's where I met you and then right
00:46:41
was that character I think I was yeah
00:46:43
yeah it was amazing you had the Garth up
00:46:46
fit on but but like then I go in and
00:46:49
Lauren was in such a foul mood oh no oh
00:46:52
my God like and I was just like did I
00:46:54
piss him off or something like that but
00:46:56
he was nice producer stuff but I was
00:46:58
like he must do something something must
00:47:00
have just happened to budget thing we
00:47:02
need the AMC Pace they're like [ __ ]
00:47:04
yesterday
00:47:06
uh who is it Mike yeah so what was that
00:47:10
like I mean I was I was Starstruck I
00:47:13
mean it was such a huge SNL fan and um
00:47:16
but then then I met Spade here shortly
00:47:20
after and and I think you would turned
00:47:23
him on to the Milton cartoons and then
00:47:25
and then it was back in New York I went
00:47:26
I went to SNL and met with him and um
00:47:30
and Jim Downey I think Jim Downing yeah
00:47:32
the great but yeah that was that was uh
00:47:35
they gave me a office I mean I was in
00:47:36
the thick of it with Beavis and Butthead
00:47:38
so I I was yeah I don't think you're in
00:47:40
the office that much right because you
00:47:41
just had one in school to come by and
00:47:43
see see all you guys like Norm was a
00:47:45
Norm Macdonald was a writer at the time
00:47:47
right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:47:54
you don't say it's a norm you just have
00:47:56
a guy going what
00:47:58
why is he called Milton you know I mean
00:48:01
put him in a cubicle right we could
00:48:04
always find a word and repeat it and
00:48:06
just make it funny by repeating it like
00:48:08
he'd probably get amazing he's in a
00:48:10
cubicle right that's where you're
00:48:12
working
00:48:14
Norm's genius so you're you're part of
00:48:18
the team you're making Milton it's your
00:48:20
only job to make Milton is that what it
00:48:22
was is it is
00:48:23
yeah and they uh but they gave me an
00:48:26
office there and uh yeah at one point
00:48:29
Lauren got really
00:48:34
then he quickly he was quickly very nice
00:48:37
but I I I had I mean I sort of get I I'd
00:48:41
sent a storyboard for two more Milton
00:48:44
cartoons and I just hadn't heard back
00:48:45
from anybody or something I don't know
00:48:47
it happens and uh I was called into his
00:48:51
office and he he was just like what is
00:48:54
going on what where are these cartoons
00:48:56
and I was like oh sorry I was waiting
00:48:57
for
00:48:58
I think he wanted me to be more
00:49:00
proactive and it was a huge opportunity
00:49:02
and I think he thought maybe I was
00:49:03
blowing it off or something like that
00:49:05
but he was then he was very very nice
00:49:07
and
00:49:08
always was yeah I did I did three of
00:49:11
three new ones for over the did you not
00:49:13
like him as much because it was a new
00:49:15
crew working on him or did you do them
00:49:17
on your own I finished I did it with two
00:49:20
just two animators and me and we had to
00:49:22
work on weekends and uh I I didn't
00:49:25
really have the chance to edit them as
00:49:29
much as I would have liked to I don't
00:49:31
know that but I did it did give me a
00:49:33
chance to kind of develop the Lumberg
00:49:35
character that Gary played in the movie
00:49:38
where he's doing you know like the yeah
00:49:40
um all that stuff yeah that means no and
00:49:45
uh so it was but but like the fourth one
00:49:49
I remember liking and I you know I used
00:49:51
some of that uh material in the actually
00:49:53
office space I think is a SNL gets a
00:49:56
credit in it maybe land does or
00:49:59
something yeah
00:50:00
is it possible that I could get maybe
00:50:03
you know it's an association just wet
00:50:05
the beak a little bit yeah I just want
00:50:07
to taste
00:50:11
[Music]
00:50:14
so Mike
00:50:16
so you're very observant
00:50:19
I would suspect that you would probably
00:50:22
create a character based on us I mean if
00:50:26
they said that Lauren called you you'd
00:50:28
be dated fly on the wall but just
00:50:30
animated if I could get you guys to play
00:50:32
those characters and do a podcast we are
00:50:35
so busy I like your career I like you
00:50:40
know Silicon Valley it's just it's
00:50:42
generally a guy your sensibility is
00:50:46
infused with things and uh it's a very
00:50:50
safe bet to drive they ever back up a
00:50:52
Brinks truck to you like
00:50:54
and you knew it was a shitty idea but a
00:50:57
generational well if you you know
00:50:58
someone needs an operation
00:51:00
and you so you must have said no a lot
00:51:03
after Beavis and Butthead you had [ __ ]
00:51:04
you money or whatever or success screw
00:51:07
you so what kind of yeah what kind of
00:51:09
deals came to you without throwing
00:51:10
anyone under the bus that you just said
00:51:12
no thank you
00:51:13
you know I I
00:51:16
yeah there was a few I mean there was a
00:51:18
I said yes to some stuff that thankfully
00:51:21
didn't go on but really well the first I
00:51:24
mean let's look at a club not to throw
00:51:26
too many yeah well unfortunately
00:51:29
some script Pages uh there was a summer
00:51:33
camp movie and I never went to summer
00:51:35
camp my parents didn't know summer camp
00:51:36
no it was like yeah well that's what
00:51:38
this was like then that was the first
00:51:41
thing that was offered me and I I said
00:51:43
yes it was like
00:51:45
it was enough it was a offer to write
00:51:48
and direct a summer camp movie
00:51:50
um does sound fun though and yeah and I
00:51:53
I said yes and then
00:51:55
um
00:51:55
I shouldn't say the title but I but I
00:51:57
was like I did the best I could for that
00:52:00
concept and uh he wrote and directed it
00:52:02
no I didn't no we never no I wrote and
00:52:05
then they I wrote an outline and then
00:52:06
they got a writer to work on a script
00:52:08
and then it just kind of sat in
00:52:09
development for a long time and I I was
00:52:12
uh Ike's I passed on it based on the
00:52:15
script like I was on your own script you
00:52:17
didn't the one who written yeah
00:52:22
let's guess the title I'm going to say
00:52:24
summer nights David I want to say uh
00:52:28
Camp let's [ __ ] it's uh it you couldn't
00:52:32
possibly guess what it is maybe I should
00:52:35
just say it at this point uh it could
00:52:36
have been a good movie I will say Mike
00:52:38
as it has a has a high slugging
00:52:40
percentage because all these there you
00:52:43
have so many things that did work that
00:52:45
no one hears about that stuff and you
00:52:46
also have a way to make boring funny I
00:52:49
mean to say office space is like a dull
00:52:52
boring office and we're gonna make but
00:52:54
fun genre basically it's hard to make
00:52:57
that dry stuff
00:52:58
that's so boring not be just boring well
00:53:01
uh yeah I mean the office did it later
00:53:04
uh Ricky Gervais was doing Gary Shanley
00:53:06
was around doing stuff like that and you
00:53:08
were yeah
00:53:09
I was a big fan of Larry Sanders Larry
00:53:12
Sanders yeah that that sort of
00:53:14
that might have influenced me some but I
00:53:17
was also just like um
00:53:20
I don't know I liked well the
00:53:23
um
00:53:23
I keep mentioning Mary Kay Brown her
00:53:26
shorts the DR nagatu had had a quality
00:53:29
to him like one of them is just
00:53:31
like she's at lunch with someone and
00:53:33
there's this kind of vase on the table
00:53:35
in the middle of him that just keeps
00:53:37
getting in the way it's like one of
00:53:39
those really relatable like yeah like do
00:53:41
you move it I was like wow that's you
00:53:43
don't see that in animation that's
00:53:45
really really cool but but yeah there is
00:53:49
you know I mean Seinfeld had been on for
00:53:51
a while at that well not when I did the
00:53:52
shorts but when the for the movie and
00:53:55
but yeah I mean the studio they were
00:53:57
very gung-ho and then when they started
00:53:59
seeing the dailies and going like wait
00:54:00
this is just a boring cubicle stuff you
00:54:02
got to move the camera around you got to
00:54:04
do something here this is horrible it's
00:54:05
like okay
00:54:09
was that your first directing live
00:54:12
action yeah that's scary as [ __ ] oh it
00:54:14
was so that's a commitment thing then
00:54:17
when you're editing it and you're doing
00:54:18
that compression humor of like holding
00:54:21
the awkwardness yeah where the Studio's
00:54:23
gonna want can you pop it around kid
00:54:24
yeah yeah it was it was uh yeah actually
00:54:28
they were really down on it until the
00:54:31
first test screening and it was getting
00:54:33
big laughs I mean it didn't score very
00:54:35
high because it didn't have like the big
00:54:37
emotional kind of ending maybe that it
00:54:41
didn't have you know right Tom Hanks or
00:54:42
whoever but but uh it had that Medium
00:54:45
kind of like on the cards there's like
00:54:47
excellent
00:54:49
very good and good and good counts the
00:54:51
same as horrible like so right yeah
00:54:55
top two boxes that means great or really
00:54:59
great or something and like the top two
00:55:01
if you get if you get like 75 of the top
00:55:04
two that's a horrible score like you
00:55:07
have to really like yeah you got to
00:55:08
really you gotta be yeah it's like
00:55:11
and office space was like
00:55:13
there's like 78 or maybe even
00:55:16
one of them like 80 in those top two but
00:55:18
like the the good most of them were in
00:55:21
the good there weren't a lot of if you
00:55:22
look at that yeah
00:55:24
how did you feel at that screen when you
00:55:26
saw it well before going into it it was
00:55:29
I was sick to my stomach literally like
00:55:31
I was like
00:55:32
I'd worked in a movie theater when I was
00:55:34
just the ticket tearing minimum wage job
00:55:35
and I remember thinking like God I wish
00:55:37
I was just someone working in a movie
00:55:38
theater right now and this we we dropped
00:55:40
we tested yeah screened it yeah up in
00:55:42
Westlake Village outside of L.A but I
00:55:45
was but then once the audience started
00:55:47
laughing and I was like okay thank God
00:55:48
this is like because I had like I don't
00:55:51
think any the editors didn't think it
00:55:53
was funny out of the studio it was funny
00:55:55
like too much and then you need that
00:55:57
fresh audience yeah and I don't know
00:55:58
like um
00:56:00
yeah it was it was very uh I was that
00:56:02
was the most stressed out maybe
00:56:04
like especially when I don't know if
00:56:06
you've experienced this but like you
00:56:08
know I'm writing it oh cool I'm gonna
00:56:10
make a movie and then all of a sudden
00:56:11
[ __ ] there's 18 wheelers and trailers
00:56:14
and construction people building coming
00:56:16
up to you going this color this color
00:56:17
I'm just like oh God I'm what if this is
00:56:20
something that just me and my brother
00:56:21
and a couple friends think is funny and
00:56:23
that's all and there's all these poor
00:56:26
people construction people working and
00:56:29
drivers Whispering sounds like a piece
00:56:31
of [ __ ] yeah yeah
00:56:34
oh God what's this
00:56:36
guy goes is there any funny parts I go
00:56:39
because we're shooting it down yeah he's
00:56:42
like smoking a cigarette
00:56:44
I broke it he's like oh I'm sure it all
00:56:47
Cuts together I go oh yeah oh God it's
00:56:50
such a horrible feeling I remember the
00:56:52
we'd put all the cubicles in this place
00:56:54
we were shooting and and the first
00:56:57
rehearsal with Gary Cole and Ron
00:56:59
Livingston and it's just like yeah if I
00:57:03
could go ahead and get that you know
00:57:04
he's it's a slow scene and I'm just me
00:57:06
standing there and you're like you're
00:57:08
looking down and there's a couple
00:57:09
construction people over there kind of
00:57:11
going they're getting bored
00:57:15
can I get out of this like this can I
00:57:18
quit yeah I had one I had a preview once
00:57:21
I won't even say what it is it was so
00:57:23
bad you couldn't even make sense of it
00:57:24
it was it was it was a screen like a
00:57:27
test screening even if my manager was
00:57:29
was going like this everyone's getting
00:57:31
lonely yeah I'm flying way down I
00:57:34
couldn't even make any sense of it it's
00:57:36
just a
00:57:37
unbelievable mess and then it was
00:57:39
Herculean effort to get it released but
00:57:40
and what were you like did they do the
00:57:43
thing afterwards do you because the
00:57:45
audience probably recognizes you right
00:57:46
if you didn't matter it was it was weird
00:57:48
we were in like D Minor so it was like
00:57:50
the lowest score it was like a three or
00:57:52
something you know because they do that
00:57:54
thing where they get 20 people
00:57:56
yeah and and you know like you stand
00:58:00
behind them and I remember with the
00:58:02
moderator she just goes who's heard of
00:58:04
Mike Judge and and like I don't know
00:58:07
like maybe like 15 of the 20 people
00:58:09
raised their hand and what do you think
00:58:11
of him and I just got I got up and left
00:58:13
yeah I don't need to be put on drugs I
00:58:16
figured it out that the moderator with
00:58:17
the 20 people controlled the score so
00:58:20
after three screenings yeah was that the
00:58:22
moderator so I started hanging out with
00:58:23
him I rewrote the questions for him yeah
00:58:26
and I was like John Rhythm and stuff and
00:58:28
and so then it came up to like a 90. it
00:58:30
shouldn't have been released but by I
00:58:32
manipulated it should never have been
00:58:33
released but it got released I saw one
00:58:36
on Diggy Roberts that said uh I
00:58:38
generally don't like David Spade but
00:58:40
this was pretty good and and the girl
00:58:43
gave it to me she goes look at this and
00:58:44
I go why would I want to see that and
00:58:46
she goes that's it that's
00:58:51
Dickie Roberts you had Joe Dirt yeah but
00:58:54
they were low budget so they all made
00:58:56
money yeah they all made money they
00:58:59
quietly make Paramount 50 to 100 million
00:59:02
videos they'd make 60 million on me yeah
00:59:04
it was such a great racket yeah because
00:59:06
they didn't cost much to make wait was
00:59:08
was PCU no that was before that was my
00:59:10
first one that was um with Jeremy Piven
00:59:13
yeah that was early what about wait what
00:59:15
was what was the other Jerry Tommy Boy
00:59:16
and what was the other black sheep Oh
00:59:18
Black Sheep Tommy Boy that was a smash
00:59:21
that one really lives on it lives on
00:59:23
yeah yeah people yeah that one thing
00:59:25
it's just grows and grows it seems like
00:59:27
so yeah that's good well uh do you have
00:59:30
any more all right Hank down so good
00:59:33
when I was watching that with my kids
00:59:34
yeah you got them down
00:59:37
um thank you Mike Mike Judge was our
00:59:39
guest today Mike was great thank you
00:59:41
guys we didn't eat too long we got him
00:59:43
an hour it's really really fun I
00:59:45
appreciate it and uh
00:59:47
you're as nice as they say you are I
00:59:50
don't very talented very cool uh I'm
00:59:54
assuming and an incredible Observer of
00:59:58
humans you live here and Austin is that
01:00:00
because I was in Austin yeah I've been
01:00:01
actually I moved back there pretty much
01:00:03
full time like a year and a half ago
01:00:04
yeah people people dig Austin I liked it
01:00:07
it's too hot in the summer we went there
01:00:09
we we do a live podcast we did a live
01:00:10
podcast yeah yeah we'll be there
01:00:12
recently yeah yeah we're there with a
01:00:15
guy named um James Austin Johnson from
01:00:17
we drove by your house and beeped yeah
01:00:19
um all right we'll get him out here
01:00:21
thank you Mike peace out all right thank
01:00:22
you guys thank you Mike
01:00:24
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01:00:26
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01:00:28
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01:00:30
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01:00:39
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01:00:42
question yeah Ally Jones we get these uh
01:00:44
questions from our lovely questions
01:00:48
we don't have a theme no yeah maybe we
01:00:51
have cage a man do it we got a question
01:00:53
uh hey David and Dana my name is Ali I'm
01:00:56
17 year old oh I like she's watching
01:00:58
from Georgia
01:00:59
um
01:01:00
I wanted to know which album you'd want
01:01:02
to be a fly on the wall when it was
01:01:03
written I know what Dana's answer is
01:01:05
okay let's guess let's play a little
01:01:06
game here guess I'm gonna guess I'm
01:01:09
gonna say
01:01:10
either The White Album
01:01:12
Sergeant Pepper or Rubber Soul I don't
01:01:16
know it's one that rotates
01:01:18
oh it is an album that rotates and it's
01:01:21
named after that [ __ ] revolver revolver
01:01:25
God I was close with Beatles it's very
01:01:27
close I listened to the whole Canon of
01:01:30
The Beatles when they remastered it and
01:01:31
I re you know I rediscovered Ringo's
01:01:33
drumming as genius and Paul's bass
01:01:36
playing because you could hear the
01:01:37
bottom of the Beatles And as I went
01:01:39
through the whole Canon I don't really
01:01:40
have a favorite but revolver just pops
01:01:43
for me there's a raw I mean you know
01:01:45
it's I'm Only Sleeping is the first song
01:01:48
and go okay what what's the second one
01:01:50
uh Eleanor Rigby [ __ ] you know we had a
01:01:54
few Tunes we sat we sat across from each
01:01:57
other we put her face in the job on the
01:02:00
door it sounded funny
01:02:02
you know that's how we did it yeah so
01:02:05
good God damn Yeah because sometimes you
01:02:06
have fresh ears with music like you're
01:02:08
hearing it again because I used to
01:02:10
listen music when I started in a
01:02:12
beatable 62 Volvo so when you get older
01:02:15
and get a decent stereo you go oh there
01:02:17
was a guitar in that song you know
01:02:19
because I can't hear it it's all my
01:02:20
tweeters I have a Bauer Wilkins because
01:02:23
to me a car is about getting me from
01:02:25
point A to point B safely and then what
01:02:27
can I listen to because that's where I
01:02:28
listen to music I have a bower Wilkins
01:02:30
maybe they could be our sponsor but I'm
01:02:32
hearing music for the first time I heard
01:02:34
Tiny Dancer by Elton John and it's a six
01:02:38
minute Masterpiece I had no idea it's
01:02:40
like I'd never heard it before okay
01:02:42
I thought you said lay me down cause
01:02:46
she's a winner
01:02:48
I said that until I was [ __ ] 48 and
01:02:50
then it was uh which is last time I knew
01:02:51
what I was there when Elton John played
01:02:53
Marine World and I knew the guy to clean
01:02:55
up the elephant [ __ ] before his oh my
01:02:58
God
01:03:02
I'm a comedian I should not try to sing
01:03:05
okay so that's thank you uh Ali fear and
01:03:09
that's your long answer
01:03:10
yeah revolver on my side David album was
01:03:14
[ __ ] I would go back to
01:03:16
if I couldn't do any Beatles you don't
01:03:19
have to I would do because I love the
01:03:20
Beatles but I would do some Elvis I
01:03:22
would do uh Highway Led Zeppelin II
01:03:25
Bowie Changes one oh a zeppelin one [ __ ]
01:03:29
Dark Side of the Moon Maybe
01:03:31
I want to answer for me and for you I
01:03:34
have control issues and I love uh Halen
01:03:36
and I love [ __ ] man God damn it I'm
01:03:40
getting stumped anyway all good it's my
01:03:42
therapist said I had control issues and
01:03:44
I said could I tell you what the next
01:03:47
question should be
01:03:48
good night stupid all right thanks Sally
01:03:52
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