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Maro and Rosa two raw sisters welcome
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back to my podcast thank you studio
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so exciting things are obviously doing
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well done thanks oh it's it's like an
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evolution isn't it it's an evolution not
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not a revolution it's um so you guys
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have been on the podcast before well
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sort of of so we're having this
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conversation you didn't want me you just
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wanted Rosa cuz it was the podcast for
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runners and I wasn't a runner yeah
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that's right so you came around home
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this was like 2 years ago yeah um and
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Maro just had a SAT awkwardly in the
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corner did some social media ring yes um
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but now we've upgraded we've got a
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studio it's no longer just for runners
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so Mar you're now welcome thank you
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thank you for including me yeah how are
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you guys we're great yeah just launched
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our new cookbook so it's just a good
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feeling to have out it out on the
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bookshelves now
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H is it a good feeling what's this like
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number five or number six how many
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number five it's funny it is a good
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feeling yeah it's but it's also a funny
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feeling like it's such a long process
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especially this book this has taken us
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two years to write which has actually
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been a God and it's been the best thing
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we've ever done in terms of having that
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time to get creative and actually think
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outside the box and do something a
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little bit different but yeah there's
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different moments throughout the book
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process that are really hectic in terms
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of dead lines to make quite soon after
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one another and then there's moments
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where you know you don't even touch it
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for a couple of months cuz it's in
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someone else's hand so yeah there's lots
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of ups and downs and then you kind of
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forget about it and then all of a sudden
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it's like [ __ ] it's it's launch day here
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we go it's the first book we're really
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proud of though oh come on seriously do
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you ever think um it's a term that
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someone introduced me to called recency
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bias we never heard of that yeah no
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neither had I but what it means it's the
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the thing you've been working on most
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recently is the thing that you you you
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find your favorite and I found this in
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radio like You' interview ID Sharon or
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someone and you'd say oh what's your
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what's your favorite song of all time
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and uh he'd always say like the song
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that was on the radio at that time and
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you'd sort of roll your eyes going okay
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Lego house is way better than um but it
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makes sense like for me I find that with
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the podcast it's always the most recent
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ones that are top of yeah and I suppose
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you evolve over time right you look back
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at you know we look back at our first
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book and we're like holy moly do you why
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I don't know it's just probably more or
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for you you're the design photography
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side like there's photos in there you
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just can't even look it well and I
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that's that's just part of being a
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perfectionist and in the creative space
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right if you're not if you don't look
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back at your old stuff thinking what the
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f is that then you're probably not
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improving anyway um but yeah no that I
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don't know there's just something about
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this book I've always wanted something
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to look a particular way and feel a
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particular way and this is just
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everything good on you guys I think
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that's having a growth mindset e like
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you're always s looking forward to the
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next thing rather than looking back yeah
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and I think what we've done with this
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book as well being our fifth cookbook
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too looking back at our other Forum
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being like what what we loved what did
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we love in those books what went really
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well what did our audience love what did
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we not like what would we change and
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then kind of creating our dream book
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from that yeah it's great how many how
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many copies do you do what do you do of
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a book um well salad sold about 40,000
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wow which is quite a large book in New
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Zealand this one I mean it's only been
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out for two
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days so I'm not sure on the exact
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numberb got a bit of pressure are you
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guys are you guys like the big dogs in
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the cooking circuit I'd like to think so
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yeah who who does more like does um
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yeah's nodding your head yeah they are
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but like are you are you the like the
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top of the the food chain excuse the pun
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are you you like um bigger than like NAD
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Alman healthy Kelsey are they enemies no
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they're not our enemies no not at all
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but I enemies I think over yeah
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definitely being our fifth cook but
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we've built a really good reputation for
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ourselves and we're going into the
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bookstores and signing our books meeting
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the store or seeing the managers again
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the store managers again and they're so
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excited to have our next book out and
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are saying oh my gosh salad simple fancy
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they were always flying out the door
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we're so excited to have your girls back
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out on the Shelf again with your new
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book so I think yeah definitely
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everyone's super stoked to have the T or
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sisters new back new fifth cookbook out
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how how do you how do you make a recipe
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like especially about salad surely
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everything's been done no yeah a lot of
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people are like so how many salads can
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you actually come up with um well Marg
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and I we
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had with this book again being two we
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had two years to create it we really
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wanted to focus hard
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on all the different parts of the book
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from the design from the recipes and we
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would go away for like a week or so and
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focus on one part of the book and
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recipes is always following the concept
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of the book we then follow through with
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the recipes and how we want the recipes
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to be how we want it section how we want
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them to be sectioned out in a book and
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what we did is we literally just spent a
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week of looking at inspiration writing
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down ideas together brainstorming and
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then I kind of go away from there and
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create SL ride up draft recipes that we
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then get in the kitchen and start
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creating with but I think for us it's
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definitely going in and trying and
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tasting and well we always try use
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ingredients we know people have at home
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and once that are cost effective that's
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our starting point and then we go from
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there with different flavor combinations
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or Texture combinations yeah but Happ
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nice work well it's a it's a very very
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pretty book Thank aesthetically pleasing
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is that a is that a compliment to you
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yes yes that that is a compliment thank
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you Don all right so manag to catch up
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on since we saw you guys last which was
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like two years ago so Ros you got
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married I got married in March this year
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and I'm pregnant so got knocked up got
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knocked up so when did you get married I
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got married in March right and you got
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pregnant almost immediately found out
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the day before the wedding Rose is
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actually pregnant in the book I'm know
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I'm actually pregnant on that um on that
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cover there no found out the day before
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the wedding um and then yeah told ret my
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now husband the day before the wedding
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as well so it was all quite a lot um to
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take in he shed his
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pants holy [ __ ] yeah nearly
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nearly he was already stressing out it's
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quite funny so like arguably getting
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married was the second biggest
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commitment he made that that way you can
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get out of a marriage but you can't get
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out so Roser and ret to just you can't
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even enjoy one thing you just got to
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move on to the next
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yeah well just happened let's say um on
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the honeymoon Rosa was a moody [ __ ] she
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was had hormones flying around we where
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did you go for your honeymoon we went to
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varo so um I was about 10 weeks pregnant
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and yeah just the Heat and everything I
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was that not in a great not in a great
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place but no I'm I'm good now and yeah
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the pregnancy has been pretty good so
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far and yeah really looking forward to
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being a mom awesome how did how did you
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announce it to everyone how did how did
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you find out well actually thanks for
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bringing it up Dom cuz this is funny
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story thinking I'm Rose's best friend
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and sister and business partner I uh
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walked into the bathroom the night
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before her wedding and she was bowling
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her eyes out and I said oh my God what's
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wrong and she said I'm just really
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stressed about the wedding I like okay
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and then that's when she actually found
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out she was pregnant but she didn't tell
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me one of my bridesmaids was with me so
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I had someone who knew but I wasn't
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going to tell the other girls well you
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told us all at your wedding she you
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pulled us up had close family well
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immediate family and told us so so it
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was it was very that's quite cool cuz
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the photographer was there so she got
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all these photos of rer and I telling
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our family and everyone was like oh my
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God that's so cool why couldn't could
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could Margo not be trusted with that
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news I don't well to your point around
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what went through your mind then no well
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two I'm trying to create a rift with two
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Ro sisters two Dom's point I didn't want
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the wedding to be a second thing behind
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the announcement that I was pregnant I
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wanted everyone to enjoy the wedding and
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I rer and I said to ourselves right this
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is obviously a big thing that's come up
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the day before our wedding let's put
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that aside for now as best as we can and
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actually just enjoy our day and have a
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great time and not worry about it so
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yeah that's BR and we did that so it was
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great and and you um you've got a
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kickass new name now I power doesn't she
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just isn't it perfect Rosa power it's a
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badass name that is a badass name I'm
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pretty St to be honest how's that whole
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process of um like changing your
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identity well must must be a massive
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ball like yeah I funny you say that I
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was so it was we had a two we like
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midyear two we break and I had the time
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to do it and I'd been putting it off and
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off and it hadn't hadn't been that long
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since we'd got married but I was just
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sick of being um are you Rosa Flanigan
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or are you Rosa power or I'd say Rosa
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Flanigan when when I went to an
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appointment they're like oh you're not
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here like this we've got a rose of power
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so I was like screw it I'm just going to
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do it
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and I did but yeah it was a bit of a
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rigal and like to change your passport
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that's like $300 but I just ended up
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doing it so I was like I just want to be
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one
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person get it all done get it all tidy
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get it all tidy get all tidy yeah
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exactly so no it wasn't too bad now that
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it's done it's done move on and how
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about you marot you've been overseas
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recently I have I always been traveling
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I've been traveling I finally got my
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full week holiday my boss has been a bit
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of a [ __ ] hasn't hasn't let me gone
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away how how you work that it's funny
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when you're doing when you're doing your
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own thing your own sort of like side
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hassle or business or
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entrepreneurialship or whatever you want
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to call it it is it is hard to get away
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for a decent amount of time and I think
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especially with Europe you want to go
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for a decent amount of time um but just
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getting the business to a point where I
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could actually step away and not think
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about it and be confident that
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everything wasn't going to you know hurt
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the fan but um yeah no I went away first
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time in Europe it was lots of fun
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make the most of it cuz she'll be
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probably doing two jobs soon when I've
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got the baby oh yeah do you um yeah when
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you guys travel do you do you eat like
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normal tourists or no are you going to
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like a Whole Food Market and is for pine
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nuts or whatever the whatever you mean
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travel overseas or yeah like in
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general well no like like when if like
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if I go to Europe for a month and I'll
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be I'll be eating pizza every night I'll
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be going to restaurants I'll be I think
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it's a mixture well my part and I we
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love making food and going to the
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markets was so much fun and you can buy
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the amazing produce and then go home and
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make it we found that the restaurants
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were really expensive and they also did
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quite a lot of the same food which could
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be quite boring so it was actually
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really fun to go to the market and then
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come home and make something fresh and
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yummy and eat it by the beach but we did
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it we did a bit of both tourist
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absolutely what was your favorite
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Cuisine though cuz you went to different
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places yeah we the markets in sicy were
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amazing um and then Berlin was my
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favorite spot for food lots of Middle
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Eastern food actually really the big
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like Middle Eastern food what what do
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you mean like honestly no no I don't I'm
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such a basic b j i i can eat for surv
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salmon and broccoli as JJ told us before
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you say that with like such
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disain you say that like it's a do you
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ever change it up though yeah like after
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a few nights of salmon in a row like I
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feel like I've reached my like Omega 3
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omega 3 Peak so I'll switch it up and
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maybe get some lamb chops or oh good on
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you always broccoli pretty much I love
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broccoli it's a superfood too why are
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you you need to try the seated broccoli
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in more salad it'll change your life I
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don't love broccoli I don't there so
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much judgment that is always making its
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way into my trolley too and you um you
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went them on you did did you get high
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names today you've been stalking me I
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listen to your podcast um no I didn't
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actually get high in Amsterdam that's
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everyone's like oh did you go to a
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coffee shop but it's actually such a
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small part of Amsterdam the red light
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district and like I mean you know you
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can smoke weed everywhere else it
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doesn't just have to be at a coffee shop
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that's you guys are from cbury yeah I
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think it's decriminalized there already
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isn't it yeah that was the big surprise
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for me when I went to amam because as a
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New Zealander you think oh you the weed
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but it's like the the these coffee shops
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um like dotted around but they're very
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very subtle yeah so much more to it like
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whenever I came back and people ask me
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that I'll be like no but I had the most
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amazing cheese I've ever
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had shops that just have like round
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cheese wheels in the window yeah it was
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such a small part of Amsterdam but loved
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Amsterdam too yeah but I know the answer
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to this question because as I said I've
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listened to your your podcast did you go
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to a peep show did I either oh [ __ ] that
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was so awkward we didn't know what to do
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it's funny I I do this as well you do
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these podcasts and you talk about stuff
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and you're so sort of unguarded and you
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don't think that anyone's listen to it
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oh well like well and I we've been
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seeing each other for like six years so
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obviously very close well was quite a
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res we just did not know what to do with
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each other so we're like what is going
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on and she was like coming out about to
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rub her boobs in the window we're like
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no no no we're out we're out so yes so
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so so set the scene are you and well
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your your partner in a booth yes so you
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okay so you pay at the door and you go
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into like your own no so you open the
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door and the glass is black and then you
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put A2 coin in and it like clears up so
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you can see through and but you can see
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everyone in all the other booths as
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well so there are like real seedy
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looking guys actually enjoying
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themselves and then there are other
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people like us who are like what what's
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going on what if we just put ourselves
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into yeah but then you feel sorry for
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the girl in the middle cuz I'm like she
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looks like she's having a horrible time
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but they get like they obvious they get
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well don't they I don't know do they get
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the two the the Euro the Euro like the
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two that you put in the hope I don't
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know but what was she do was she was she
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dancing or like playing with herself or
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um well we cuz our we were with friends
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and they went in and we were still
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waiting but there was a new girl that
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came when we went in so she was fully
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well she was in like a bikini but their
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one was fully undressed and like playing
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with herself but ours was just warming
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up yeah being on the window I'm not
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paying for the warm up yeah I want the
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real thing this is2 that's like four New
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Zealand Dollars oh she was already she
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was just warming up and will maro's
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partner was saying no no no was too
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far yeah when I went there we went to we
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went to like a live sex show um there
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was like like a Cory bus of people that
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came in and there's couple get on stage
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and it was more funny than anything else
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like as soon as the guy removed his
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pants and he had like a semi bone like
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everyone just like sniggering yeah it's
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so awkward yeah awward but like laughing
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and
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like so um yes since you're last on the
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podcast yeah there's the the the
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marriage and the pregnancy and the
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travel um what else an app an app yeah
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an app holy [ __ ] where do you where do
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you where do you start with an app um
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question oh it's a long process yes you
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need money that's what you need is that
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can you not get like some Kat on fiver
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to make it for you no is it I mean well
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you can get them made pretty
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in like India or something but they're
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all ours needed to be a custom platform
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whereas a lot of those are team plates
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and code is such difficult almost like
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another language that if you aren't if
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your developer is not English as in
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doesn't speak English fluently it's very
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difficult what does the app cost like
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50k 30k double that really and the
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rest there's the the setup but then all
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of the main maintenance development on
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top of that is well we we launched
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without a search bar God don't launch
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net without a search bar you'll hear
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about it and it was like 15K to put a
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search bar in you know people people
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make these things that oh can you do
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this or do that and I'm like yeah have
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you got an extra 30 to 40K for that so
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it is it is expensive but um if you get
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good numbers on there it's good so
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people subscribe and they pay you like
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how much okay uh we've got we're just
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about to change our subscriptions
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actually but we're about 17 a month
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right yeah so we've got Le than coffee a
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week weekly monthly yearly depending on
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where depending on where you go yeah
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yeah yeah coffee sweet but it's a cool
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it's awesome cuz we can like we have
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full control of uploading all of the
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recipes doing all the tags so we upload
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three new recipes a week so 12 a month
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essentially and they're all related to
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the season what feedback we're getting
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from our subscribers what's going well
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on Instagram socials it's a very
00:17:36
interesting process though as cuz we're
00:17:39
like the user interface user experience
00:17:41
is obviously a whole another world that
00:17:43
we've dived into but even like the
00:17:45
simple change of a button I was talking
00:17:47
to someone they Chang their button from
00:17:50
red to blue and it decreased their
00:17:51
subscriptions by
00:17:53
40% H so just like little things like
00:17:56
that you've got to take everything into
00:17:58
consider
00:18:00
so how do you how do you guys make most
00:18:01
of your money like is it is it the books
00:18:03
is it the is it the the app yeah and and
00:18:06
the live shows you do pretty well out of
00:18:08
the live shows yeah I suppose all these
00:18:10
income streams sort of add up yeah we
00:18:12
kind of we've definitely narrowed down
00:18:15
what we're doing within the business and
00:18:16
our main revenue streams uh number one
00:18:21
app probably well cookbooks uh high like
00:18:25
when it's around launch date and like
00:18:27
Christmas and all those types of big
00:18:30
events um that definitely comes up
00:18:32
second or workshops again depending on
00:18:35
what we're doing we do a workshop a
00:18:38
month in Christ church and then we do
00:18:39
two New Zealand tours a year well you
00:18:42
would know this from going from Radio to
00:18:45
podcast like the app for us it's we can
00:18:46
do it from anywhere it's a lot less work
00:18:50
than traveling around the country four
00:18:52
times a year doing tours so it's like
00:18:55
we've created the business to work
00:18:56
around us and the lifestyles we want to
00:18:58
live
00:18:59
and that's where the why we want to
00:19:01
focus on the app because we can do it
00:19:03
from anywhere and we can reach as many
00:19:05
people as we possibly want Global you
00:19:08
can scale it up right um yeah and big
00:19:10
changes coming up yeah so you've got a
00:19:12
baby coming up a bab coming and you're
00:19:14
moving to Melbourne next year yeah if
00:19:17
you read the women's day article
00:19:18
yesterday I'm not very happy about
00:19:22
it um did you have that written down
00:19:25
there no no what was that was that that
00:19:26
you hated each other no it was there was
00:19:29
there was an AR that was the other one
00:19:30
there was an article that came out
00:19:32
yester one yesterday and it said you
00:19:34
know how they have the we ctions for the
00:19:36
photos talk [ __ ] about everything and
00:19:38
there's a photo of Margo and it's said
00:19:41
in the we caption Rose is not very happy
00:19:43
about Margo moving to
00:19:46
Melvin so please don't bring it up it's
00:19:48
a really touchy subject love B
00:19:51
CLI God the truth is Rosa is so busy
00:19:55
with her own pregnan in her own life she
00:19:57
she doesn't give a [ __ ]
00:19:59
[ __ ] yeah all right so let's let's go
00:20:02
back to the um the early Flanigan years
00:20:04
so um who else is in the family there's
00:20:06
you two are you the two siblings or we
00:20:08
got a brother Matt he is 30 30 29 29
00:20:14
okay so so he's the oldest and then
00:20:16
there's me you're in the middle you're
00:20:17
the baby of the family and age Gap with
00:20:19
you guys two years right so we're all
00:20:21
two years apart right my brother and I
00:20:24
are two years Mel and I are two years
00:20:26
awesome and and growing up were you guys
00:20:28
tired I know that we'll get to the phase
00:20:30
where you hated each other um yeah yeah
00:20:33
we used to I used to force Margaret to
00:20:35
hop in the pram and I'd car around
00:20:37
everywhere Rosa um yeah Rosa loved
00:20:39
playing teachers and I was the student I
00:20:42
always wanted to be a teacher when I gr
00:20:43
up grow up um but yeah no we got on when
00:20:47
we were kids and with our brother as
00:20:49
well Matt and then I think it was more
00:20:51
that like
00:20:52
teenager you know period and puberty
00:20:55
going through puberty and we just kind
00:20:57
of clashed a little bit so embarrassing
00:21:00
like what age like high school age 15
00:21:04
13 you went through your running stuff
00:21:07
and you became like a different person
00:21:10
and you didn't
00:21:11
really you weren't you weren't really
00:21:13
aware of whatever was going on cuz you
00:21:15
were so focused on your running so that
00:21:17
was kind of the point where we kind of
00:21:20
drifted apart I would say in different
00:21:21
interests as well Margot was a brand
00:21:24
Basher back then I was a big what brands
00:21:27
were you bashing Walker of course really
00:21:30
did you have a run away G nichlas yeah I
00:21:33
didn't you didn't everything else though
00:21:36
she
00:21:37
had yeah no I was a big partyer actually
00:21:41
early were you yeah like what just like
00:21:45
you know snuck drinks from Mom and Dad's
00:21:47
you know the the classic drink the gin
00:21:49
and fill it up with water that old
00:21:51
Chesnut um yeah no and then I got
00:21:54
chronic fatigue and then I wasn't yeah
00:21:58
yeah cuz you guys both had um um and
00:22:01
this is sort of and and it's funny how
00:22:02
things work okay so you drift apart then
00:22:05
you have these issues and they sort of
00:22:06
bring you back together and it's like
00:22:07
the birth of the the business which
00:22:09
we'll get to um you so um Rosa you were
00:22:12
like a 3,000 M steeple chasun first of
00:22:14
all why that event that's the most
00:22:16
random event ever like eight what it
00:22:18
seven eight laps of seven and a seven
00:22:20
and 3/4 or something right and you're
00:22:22
jumping over some hurdles and there's
00:22:24
that hurdle where you have to jump in
00:22:25
the water on an
00:22:27
angle what a TR to that event well I
00:22:29
love the only reason why I did it was
00:22:31
because well my coach recommended I did
00:22:34
it I loved cross country that was my
00:22:37
favorite event 10K cross country and
00:22:39
then I found track really boring but I a
00:22:43
big goal of mine was to get to the
00:22:45
Olympics and my coach said well the
00:22:48
closest event to something like cross
00:22:50
country would be your seil Chase the
00:22:52
3,000 M steeple chair so that's when I
00:22:55
started doing that and I kind of did a
00:22:57
few races and ended up breaking a few
00:23:00
records
00:23:01
and saw a bit of a future in it and
00:23:04
that's where we the path we LED down I
00:23:06
did do a few 5Ks but I just found them
00:23:08
boring just running round and around a
00:23:10
track for 12 and a half laps yeah 12 and
00:23:13
a half laps whereas at least the steeple
00:23:15
chase there was a little bit of
00:23:17
something
00:23:18
different just a little bit few the next
00:23:22
I get to get my feet wet yeah yeah but
00:23:24
like it's it's pretty it was actually a
00:23:27
really new nve rcking event because of
00:23:30
the Ste of the hurdles and like when you
00:23:32
get to the world stage you're in a group
00:23:36
of 15 odd girls and trying to jump a
00:23:40
hurdle with 15 people crowded around you
00:23:42
and like being in New Zealand we'd have
00:23:45
five people maps in a national race so
00:23:49
it was very easy to you know escape from
00:23:51
them and clearly clear the hurdle but
00:23:54
when it comes to a yeah International
00:23:56
Event it's a whole different story M
00:23:59
yeah so how did that dream
00:24:01
end pretty
00:24:03
sadly no I well I did I qualified for
00:24:07
the coms
00:24:09
and then I got injured I I was just
00:24:12
really getting down the dumps with my
00:24:14
injuries and I wasn't looking after my
00:24:16
body very well I had a got well I got
00:24:18
diagnosed with a condition called red s
00:24:21
which stands for relative energy
00:24:22
deficiency in sport so pretty much yeah
00:24:26
on the verge of osteoporosis didn't my
00:24:28
period until I was 21 really low energy
00:24:31
availability so I all I had was the
00:24:34
energy to do my training and come home
00:24:37
and nothing else really mattered to me
00:24:39
and I found myself in a really dark spot
00:24:41
and for me I didn't really know anything
00:24:45
else and I suppose I was just s I'm such
00:24:47
a determined person and I really wanted
00:24:49
to keep going forward and I didn't want
00:24:51
to share what I was feeling to other
00:24:54
people cuz I didn't want to feel like I
00:24:55
was a failure especially to atics New
00:24:58
Zealand when it where it's so Cutthroat
00:25:00
and you have to make qualifying times
00:25:02
and if you don't meet those then you get
00:25:04
dropped and you don't see you know
00:25:07
you're not seen as a success story um so
00:25:11
yeah I injuries pretty much got me and I
00:25:14
was forced to rest and then that rest
00:25:17
then forces you to really think about
00:25:19
[ __ ] what am I actually doing with my
00:25:20
life and is this worthwhile and then
00:25:23
from the health professionals telling me
00:25:25
if I don't do anything about you know my
00:25:27
situation now and actually
00:25:29
recover then it's going to present you
00:25:31
with lots of short and long-term Health
00:25:34
consequences that you're going to be
00:25:36
facing so yeah I don't know what
00:25:38
actually hit me to make a change and to
00:25:41
just call it quits but for me I had to
00:25:44
get out of there if I was quit not I
00:25:47
don't want to call it quitting but if I
00:25:49
was retiring from being a full-time
00:25:51
athlete I for me I'm a person who I just
00:25:53
have to get out of there and do it all
00:25:55
on like I'm An All or Nothing type of
00:25:57
person so I just yeah pretty much said
00:26:01
to my coach I'm stopping and say goodbye
00:26:03
to everyone at high performance sport
00:26:05
New Zealand and the Athletics New
00:26:07
Zealand area and yeah left and never
00:26:10
went back I can't imagine how how tough
00:26:12
a decision that was cuz it's like your
00:26:14
identity right yeah and that was what
00:26:16
I've really struggled with is I've
00:26:18
always been known as Ros of the runner
00:26:20
and oh like when's your next race and
00:26:23
what are you training for what are you
00:26:24
training for and obviously that was my
00:26:26
that was my daily routine was getting up
00:26:28
and going to the gym and then going home
00:26:31
and then going back to training in the
00:26:32
afternoon it was just all I knew and
00:26:34
because I was so obsessed around it all
00:26:37
that was my life and that's all I
00:26:38
focused on and all of a sudden that was
00:26:41
taken away from me and it was
00:26:45
Finding what that other thing was that
00:26:47
fueled me and gave me that
00:26:49
satisfaction and that motivation to get
00:26:52
up every day and I suppose I was lucky
00:26:54
in the fact that I had two raw sisters
00:26:56
because that gave me a new purpose and
00:26:58
in life and I was able to use my
00:27:01
learnings from being an athlete and
00:27:03
where I'd come from with that and flip
00:27:05
it into a more positive you know
00:27:07
perspective and help educate other
00:27:09
people and definitely talking about my
00:27:12
journey through lots of different talks
00:27:15
and interviews helped me recover and
00:27:18
helped me realize how far I'd actually
00:27:20
come and that what I did well the
00:27:22
decision I made was a good decision for
00:27:24
me personally not and I wasn't doing it
00:27:27
for anyone else I was doing it for me as
00:27:29
an individual and for my future so that
00:27:32
was definitely a um big part of me
00:27:34
overcoming that fear and anxiety around
00:27:37
who am I and what's my purpose in life
00:27:40
and yeah now I wouldn't have yeah I'm
00:27:44
glad I've I made the decision that I
00:27:46
made and I love what I do now helping
00:27:49
educate other people on yeah being
00:27:53
feeling great and using good quality
00:27:55
ingredients how good yeah yeah and I
00:27:58
mean there's no way of knowing for sure
00:27:59
but um had you keep going down that
00:28:01
track like maybe you wouldn't be fit
00:28:02
enough to carry a baby exactly and
00:28:05
that's like my doctor my GP when I went
00:28:08
and saw her and said I'm I'm pregnant
00:28:11
she was like oh my go like she was so
00:28:14
stoked for me cuz that was not something
00:28:18
that she ever thought would be possible
00:28:20
or she knew well in her head she thought
00:28:23
that I would have based off my
00:28:25
medical um history that I would
00:28:28
definitely be struggling yet it happened
00:28:30
the first time around so yeah I was
00:28:32
super super lucky and again like being
00:28:35
pregnants really made me realize the
00:28:37
importance of looking after your body
00:28:39
and for so long I just neglected it and
00:28:43
that's another message to put out there
00:28:45
to young female athletes and
00:28:47
non-athletes too is to you know not
00:28:50
compare yourself and not think about
00:28:52
skinny being the new healthy way to be
00:28:56
it's about fueling your body if you do
00:28:59
want to have kids in the near future or
00:29:01
in the later future because that's
00:29:04
essentially you know our bodies are made
00:29:06
to do that and it's looking after them
00:29:08
how was your mental health around this
00:29:10
time was this was this would you call
00:29:12
this like the rock bottom of your life
00:29:14
yeah definitely yeah I've really
00:29:16
struggled um mentally I suffered really
00:29:19
um from anxiety really bad just around
00:29:23
um
00:29:24
not being that athlete and me seeing
00:29:28
myself as a failure and not got
00:29:30
following through with my dreams and my
00:29:34
goals you had this big go yeah yeah and
00:29:35
then also seeing like I remember it was
00:29:38
the was it the 2016 Rio Olympics that I
00:29:41
was supposed to be going to and I just
00:29:44
couldn't watch any of it because I just
00:29:47
saw all the people I knew they were in
00:29:49
the Athletics team and I it just hurt
00:29:51
really bad and just even like Dad was
00:29:55
always really into me racing and always
00:29:59
came to the events and things and he
00:30:01
would always bring it up like oh did you
00:30:02
see so and so ran this or have you ever
00:30:05
thought about it again I was just like
00:30:07
to him dad just don't even bring
00:30:08
anything to do with running out right
00:30:10
now like it's just I'm just not in that
00:30:12
mindset yet to go back to that so I yeah
00:30:15
pretty much shut it all off for about 3
00:30:17
4 years and then I just needed that time
00:30:21
really and for me as well I just needed
00:30:24
to figure out what my purpose was going
00:30:27
back to me yeah it's hard isn't it and
00:30:30
and the thing thing about your dad um
00:30:33
like sure must surely it came from a
00:30:34
place of love like he was uh he was
00:30:37
soing yeah yeah he was so passionate
00:30:40
about and he was probably just checking
00:30:42
in on me yeah and making sure I was okay
00:30:45
but in a way that probably wasn't the
00:30:48
best for me mentally like it wasn't
00:30:51
something he was purposefully doing um
00:30:54
but I'm fine talking about it now and
00:30:56
it's feels like ages go and I love
00:30:59
watching like the Olympics that have
00:31:01
just been like it was so great watching
00:31:02
it again but it was like the first time
00:31:04
that I'd actually felt okay with no I've
00:31:07
made the right decision I love watching
00:31:10
the rest of the kiwis perform really
00:31:12
well and see them succeed in their own
00:31:16
um events yeah do you think um I'm
00:31:19
probably projecting here how I would be
00:31:21
in that position but do you think it's
00:31:23
so yeah it was two 2016 Olympics that
00:31:25
you were aiming for so it's been two
00:31:27
Olympics
00:31:29
um this brand that you guys have got
00:31:30
going now is doing so phomen well you
00:31:32
think you're finally at peace with it
00:31:33
now because you've you know you found
00:31:35
your purpose and you're succeeding in
00:31:36
kicking ass yeah and that's where I've
00:31:38
been so lucky cuz a lot of athletes
00:31:40
don't have that to fall on to like
00:31:42
they're trying to find their new purpose
00:31:45
which I was for a little bit just being
00:31:47
a bit stuck in where I was at and not
00:31:50
having got to where I wanted to go with
00:31:53
my running but again super lucky to have
00:31:55
had two or sisters to step straight into
00:31:58
much and be able to succeed but also
00:32:01
take some learnings from my Athletics
00:32:04
career into my new business career being
00:32:07
a Tor sister with Margo although I just
00:32:10
want to correct you there like you
00:32:11
didn't have this thing to like fall into
00:32:13
this is something else that you created
00:32:15
yeah and but it was a it was a focus I
00:32:17
suppose okay like a diversion of your
00:32:19
attention yeah one one thing I found
00:32:21
with um like majority of like high
00:32:23
performance people I have on the podcast
00:32:25
uh it's the same sort of thing like
00:32:26
they're good at one thing or defined by
00:32:28
one thing and they worry you know what's
00:32:31
going to happen after that but if you're
00:32:32
if you're good at one thing you
00:32:34
generally have the mindset to make you
00:32:35
good at whatever else you decide to do
00:32:37
and I suppose it's that um initially
00:32:39
it's that unknowing of oh this is all
00:32:41
new all I've know I've known that for
00:32:43
the last however long you've been an
00:32:45
athlete for um and now you're stepping
00:32:48
into a whole new lifestyle and routine
00:32:50
like this routine of being a business
00:32:53
owner is so different to what it was to
00:32:55
be a full-time athlete but then the mind
00:32:57
set is very similar though yeah like
00:33:00
you've got to be disciplined you've got
00:33:01
to be determined you have got to
00:33:03
sacrifice things at times the same as
00:33:06
skill
00:33:07
here that's why you are such a great
00:33:10
entrepreneur because you have you've
00:33:12
naturally got that mindset but it's
00:33:15
funny like those obsessive traits that
00:33:18
came from my running I definitely found
00:33:21
came into my business career as well and
00:33:26
having to again acknowledge those and
00:33:29
have a tool have tools in your tool box
00:33:31
to be able to step away from it and not
00:33:33
think about it 24/7 like there's still
00:33:36
been challenges around that you know
00:33:38
anxiety and the the thoughts that pop
00:33:41
through your head but I suppose for me
00:33:42
what I appreciate well what I'm happy to
00:33:47
be able to do now is acknowledge those
00:33:49
thoughts and when they do come through
00:33:50
my head I have those tools to pull them
00:33:53
away or to acknowledge that they've come
00:33:56
through and then move on
00:33:58
so yeah where where did you get that
00:33:59
skill from is that therapy or a podcast
00:34:02
or a book yeah I had a really good
00:34:04
psychologist that I worked with um with
00:34:07
within um Athletics New Zealand um and
00:34:11
also I don't know I just love again
00:34:13
listening to other people and like
00:34:15
podcasts like they're always super
00:34:17
helpful reading but also just learning
00:34:20
and experience and yeah yeah oh thanks
00:34:23
for sharing that Mar I just about forgot
00:34:25
you were here no you know told hear you
00:34:28
talk about that I haven't heard yeah
00:34:31
yeah how do you feel when you hear that
00:34:32
because I'm guessing when this was going
00:34:34
on this is when you guys were at like
00:34:35
Peak sort of estrangement yeah the lack
00:34:38
of a better word very Peak so you were
00:34:40
both living just very very independent
00:34:42
lives yeah well I think I was going
00:34:44
through my own stuff at that time so
00:34:47
I I I think you seeing you go through
00:34:51
that has
00:34:52
definitely carved
00:34:54
my like I'm I'm a very emot person or I
00:34:59
take other people's feelings on really
00:35:01
heavily and I feel like now that
00:35:04
I've while I when I was going through my
00:35:06
chronic fatigue and all that stuff you
00:35:08
were going through your rock bottom so
00:35:10
now hearing it and I know I've heard it
00:35:12
so many times but you know hearing it
00:35:14
again that's when I get that sense of
00:35:16
like oh [ __ ] like you were going through
00:35:18
all of that but you you never like
00:35:20
expressed it to any of us it was really
00:35:22
you sort of bottled it up yeah well I
00:35:24
thought these are my problems Rosa and
00:35:27
the is something you've definitely
00:35:29
improved on but you no no no but you you
00:35:32
you always bottled everything up like
00:35:35
Ros is like Dad you never really talk
00:35:37
about it whereas now you're much better
00:35:39
at doing that or you've you've dealt
00:35:42
with it so now you benefits of when you
00:35:45
do talk about it to someone else and
00:35:47
share your thoughts and
00:35:49
feelings how much better it can be
00:35:51
everyone can relate to a story and I
00:35:54
think that's what we love so much about
00:35:55
sharing our stories is with you relate
00:35:58
to all of what Rosa just said or just a
00:36:00
tiny little bit you know you can take
00:36:03
something from there yeah 100% God your
00:36:06
poor parents at this time they must have
00:36:07
been like what the [ __ ] is going on was
00:36:10
your brother all right as far as we know
00:36:12
he was all
00:36:13
good maybe that's why he gets looked
00:36:15
after more than us he caused them the
00:36:18
least trouble wow um yes so what about
00:36:21
you Ro so you went overseas on like a
00:36:22
like a World Vision trip or something
00:36:23
Maro sorry sorry
00:36:26
Mar so yeah where where were you you
00:36:29
were overseas somewhere I was in Costa
00:36:32
Rica in Nicaragua on a um yeah World
00:36:35
Challenge so we went over there for 4
00:36:37
weeks and we
00:36:38
taught kids um in the classrooms and
00:36:42
then our big project was giving the
00:36:43
village a 24-hour supply of water when
00:36:46
they only had 1 hour a day so that was
00:36:49
the big purpose of that trip which I
00:36:51
loved so much I love doing things like
00:36:53
that and I'd really hope I can do
00:36:55
another trip like that but um when I was
00:36:59
away I vividly remember there was like
00:37:02
No Mirrors or anything cuz we were in
00:37:04
the middle of nowhere and I looked on
00:37:06
the last day we were in this like
00:37:08
Backpackers and there was a mirror and I
00:37:09
looked at myself and I was like what the
00:37:12
[ __ ] like I have lost so much weight
00:37:14
like what is going on and I didn't
00:37:17
really think anything of it and then I
00:37:18
got home
00:37:20
and I'd never recovered from my jet lag
00:37:23
but at the time Rosa was you were
00:37:25
training heaps and that this is where we
00:37:27
had this rivalry of oh well Rose is
00:37:30
doing that so I have to do that and I
00:37:31
was always known as the runner's sister
00:37:33
and not Margot and so I was training
00:37:37
with Rosa but I'm not a very competitive
00:37:39
person so I wasn't competing so I was
00:37:41
just smashing my body even though I was
00:37:44
just like so exhausted and so run down
00:37:48
but no one really knew what was going on
00:37:51
had all these tests cuz Mom and Dad were
00:37:52
worried but everything came back normal
00:37:55
and then in my head I was like well
00:37:57
nothing wrong like you're fine keep
00:37:59
training keep going to school keep doing
00:38:00
all of this and it um I had a really bad
00:38:05
panic attack one day and dad was like no
00:38:08
we're taking you to the hospital and was
00:38:10
in the hospital and then everything came
00:38:13
back normal again I was like what the
00:38:15
[ __ ] is going on like I'm just in my
00:38:18
head I was like I'm going crazy like you
00:38:21
know what is going on and I don't know
00:38:24
how we came across the specialist but
00:38:26
mom found this specialist and we finally
00:38:29
walked out with a diagnosis which was
00:38:31
chronic fatigue syndrome and it all you
00:38:34
know when you find something out and
00:38:35
then all of a sudden you just crash
00:38:37
because you've been holding this front
00:38:39
for so long and then I just had this
00:38:43
absolute crash and I was pretty much
00:38:46
bedridden for a year and a half at what
00:38:49
age I was 16 so I was heading into year
00:38:53
12 so I had all of year 12 off school
00:38:56
and then I had
00:38:58
half of your 13 and then I went back
00:39:01
parttime so when what do you mean bed R
00:39:04
so I would walk 50 m and just be
00:39:07
absolutely wiped out for the rest of the
00:39:08
day i' yeah I'd sleep pretty much like
00:39:13
18 hours a day my immune system was
00:39:16
completely shot so my body this was also
00:39:20
part of it when we were trying to figure
00:39:22
out what was wrong my whole face just
00:39:24
like swelled up and I had this rash all
00:39:27
over my face and mom was like I can't
00:39:29
even recognize you like what there's
00:39:31
something going on and so yeah my immune
00:39:35
system was just completely shot and my
00:39:37
body was just screaming for just rest
00:39:41
really but you were getting rest yeah I
00:39:44
know you get too much rest that's the
00:39:46
hard thing I had five years of health
00:39:49
professionals here telling me there was
00:39:50
nothing I could do like there's not
00:39:51
really
00:39:52
any treatment for chronic fatigue it's
00:39:55
arrest and get over it situation and
00:39:57
it's
00:39:57
very like an invisible thing because on
00:40:00
the outside you look fine but on the
00:40:05
inside you're not and with all my
00:40:08
friends like I just fell off the face of
00:40:10
the Earth because year 12 that's your
00:40:13
party years and year 13 is really fun
00:40:15
you're moving to UNI but I just couldn't
00:40:17
do any of that and a lot of my friends
00:40:19
didn't understand and I didn't talk
00:40:21
about it because I think I was quite
00:40:24
self-conscious about it cuz there was I
00:40:27
didn't I didn't have the energy to do
00:40:29
anything but then they were all like oh
00:40:31
where's Margo like bch she's just gone
00:40:35
like she's so boring yeah well I suppose
00:40:37
if people like ask you out or invite you
00:40:38
to things you know after a certain
00:40:40
amount of times where you're a nosh show
00:40:41
I suppose they just they stop and I
00:40:44
don't know I suppose as you get older
00:40:45
like the ages you guys are now you're
00:40:47
more sort of understanding and accepting
00:40:48
but at that age it's like just later out
00:40:51
our mind I guess and at that age again
00:40:53
as like me you're not necessarily being
00:40:56
like Oh hey like can I pull you aside
00:40:58
and can we just have a chat and can I
00:41:00
tell you how I'm feeling right now and
00:41:02
what I'm going through whereas now like
00:41:03
I wouldn't even I would do that to any
00:41:05
friend I'd call a friend up and be like
00:41:08
oh [ __ ] I've had a terrible day today
00:41:10
this is what's happened this is how I'm
00:41:11
feeling I just wanted to ring you up and
00:41:14
share it with someone let it out yeah so
00:41:16
I I filtered through my friends quite
00:41:18
early
00:41:20
on no no yeah you're a bit you're a
00:41:24
[ __ ] see it you're great you can say
00:41:27
that must have been such a such a
00:41:29
depressing time for you were you just
00:41:30
like were you just lying in bed like
00:41:32
crying every other day or were you just
00:41:34
too tired the body aches and like the
00:41:37
brain fog and everything like I
00:41:39
literally could not do anything and a
00:41:44
way people well I can describe it so
00:41:47
people can understand as
00:41:49
like um covid when everyone was just
00:41:52
complaining of all the body aches and
00:41:55
the tiredness and the side effects that
00:41:56
came with with it that's like chronic
00:41:59
fatigue but 10 times worse
00:42:01
24/7 and even it's interesting you being
00:42:03
pregnant obviously I've never been
00:42:04
pregnant but I don't know but extreme
00:42:06
tiredness and that was also the other
00:42:08
really hard thing cuz everyone you
00:42:10
talked to was like I'm tired I'm sore
00:42:14
but like so when you said oh I'm got
00:42:16
chronic fatigue it's extreme tiredness
00:42:17
you're like oh yeah I totally get that
00:42:19
I'm so tired I'm tired too it's like so
00:42:23
different and I think I got to that
00:42:24
point where I was like well I'm just not
00:42:25
even going to bother because you guys
00:42:27
aren't understanding
00:42:29
me and it wasn't really much of a thing
00:42:32
either no and I I remember the classic
00:42:35
drct Google just Googling when I got
00:42:37
diagnosed how long does chronic fatigue
00:42:39
last for and these people saying I've
00:42:41
still got it it's 10 years later I've
00:42:43
had it for a lifetime and I was just
00:42:45
thinking like oh my god what have I got
00:42:50
but it's just as I've learned like
00:42:53
managing it gut health was a huge thing
00:42:55
for me as well
00:42:57
M yeah yeah i' I've heard that I've
00:43:00
heard you say that in in an interview
00:43:01
that um you know hear hearing the phrase
00:43:03
gut health was like a turning point for
00:43:05
you yeah so was that um do you think you
00:43:07
ate your way out of chronic fatigue or
00:43:09
do you think it just ran its course or
00:43:11
no I definitely think I've turned it
00:43:14
around like if I hadn't been through
00:43:17
what I've been through I would
00:43:18
definitely not be where I am today um
00:43:22
when Rose and I went over to the states
00:43:24
it was like a right person right time
00:43:27
thing which always happens at the
00:43:29
weirdest of times I think you've just
00:43:31
got to be aware and open to it and she
00:43:35
was working she was your Physio and she
00:43:38
was working on me cuz my body aches were
00:43:40
just so bad that I couldn't really do
00:43:42
anything and we were just chatting and
00:43:44
she said oh have you read this book
00:43:46
called The Body ecology diet and I was
00:43:48
like no I haven't and she said oh it's
00:43:50
all about gut health and resetting your
00:43:52
gut and she kind of talked to me about
00:43:55
that and how the gut is the of every
00:43:57
process that goes on within the body and
00:44:00
anyway I read this book and it talked
00:44:02
about a fungal overgrowth within your
00:44:04
stomach and it kind of related directly
00:44:06
back to chronic fatigue so I did a lot
00:44:08
of research around that and kind of self
00:44:11
diagnosed myself I suppose with a fungal
00:44:13
overgrowth in my stomach
00:44:15
and I did this I followed the diet on
00:44:19
this course and I always say I hate
00:44:21
promoting diets cuz I'm not a diet
00:44:23
person but this is I see this as a form
00:44:26
of medical treatment
00:44:27
as a way to get better not to lose
00:44:29
weight and I did this massive gut reset
00:44:33
and within 3 weeks my chronic fatigue
00:44:35
had pretty much disappeared three months
00:44:38
sorry and that was like mindblowing for
00:44:41
me CU I'd had five years of health
00:44:43
professionals telling me there was
00:44:44
nothing I could do and there was no cure
00:44:47
for chronic fatigue but yeah it blew my
00:44:50
mind that it wasn't expensive specialist
00:44:52
and supplements it was just focusing on
00:44:55
cheap everyday ingredients and focusing
00:44:57
on gut health and that's when I got my
00:44:59
passion for food cuz I've never been
00:45:01
into food Rose has always been the
00:45:03
massive foodie but that was when you had
00:45:05
your big epiphany of like what am I
00:45:08
doing I'm I'm running my body to the
00:45:10
ground and then I was in this head space
00:45:13
being like what the [ __ ] plants are like
00:45:15
crazy how has my gut just reset and then
00:45:19
I'm so much better again and then that's
00:45:21
when we were like well let's create a
00:45:23
business that puts plants first and
00:45:27
helps people with their overall health
00:45:29
and well-being because we don't talk
00:45:30
about gut health and facts and things
00:45:33
like that because I think it's
00:45:34
overwhelming for people and people don't
00:45:36
know where to start food has become so
00:45:39
complicated whereas we want to make it
00:45:41
simple and make people not get to the
00:45:43
bottom of the hill with the ambulance
00:45:45
like we did we want everyone to have
00:45:48
good health and make food exciting I
00:45:51
think with well-being a lot of people
00:45:53
look
00:45:54
at like mindfulness and exercise and
00:45:58
there's lots of different aspects of
00:46:00
well-being but if we're not fueling our
00:46:02
bodies with good food how do we expect
00:46:03
to perform well in any of those things
00:46:05
how do we expect to perform an exercise
00:46:08
work Family Life personality energy
00:46:11
levels if we're not the the thing
00:46:14
when're putting in our mouths what's
00:46:15
fueling our bodies to function isn't the
00:46:17
right
00:46:19
form yeah it does make so much sense but
00:46:22
like KFC it feels really good at the
00:46:24
time of eating it
00:46:27
in moderation I'm all for that it's fine
00:46:29
to have it sometimes yeah so um okay so
00:46:32
is this s of how two worldw sisters were
00:46:34
born pretty much yeah was it you
00:46:37
basically Margot was it your sort of
00:46:39
idea did you did you patch it to Rosa or
00:46:42
how did you I had just finished school
00:46:44
and Rosa you had was on my way out you
00:46:48
were on your way out with running and it
00:46:51
just kind of naturally happened
00:46:52
everything within T sisters has just
00:46:55
naturally started with social media page
00:46:58
like an Instagram page yeah we were like
00:47:00
let's just put some food on here and and
00:47:02
then it kind of got to a point where it
00:47:03
was like well you finished school do we
00:47:06
start this is a full-time gig because I
00:47:08
was studying nutrition at the time part
00:47:11
well part-time I was studying and yeah
00:47:14
we did that and then it's just kind of
00:47:16
all taken off from
00:47:18
there it's quite courageous I to think
00:47:20
that you could do it as a I mean it be
00:47:22
easy to set anyone can set up an
00:47:23
Instagram and do it as a side Hustle but
00:47:26
to to put all your eggs in that basket
00:47:28
yeah and it's pretty cool like we're I
00:47:32
suppose we don't think back about it too
00:47:34
much but you create this brand from
00:47:38
nothing and look where we are six years
00:47:40
later with it but the journey to get
00:47:43
there has there's been so many different
00:47:46
things that have happened and come up
00:47:47
and things we've tried and have been a
00:47:50
total disaster and things other things
00:47:52
that we've tried that have been an
00:47:53
absolute success so yeah I suppose
00:47:57
that's it I trial in ER yeah we started
00:47:59
doing workshops and I think everyone
00:48:01
enjoyed our refreshing approach to food
00:48:04
which when we started what we did was
00:48:07
very Niche now it's very mainstream in
00:48:10
terms of let's make plants the star
00:48:13
rather than the side and let's make me
00:48:16
the side rather than rather than the
00:48:17
star so yeah and I think with Co
00:48:21
everyone has become more health
00:48:23
conscious
00:48:24
and now it's the cost of loving
00:48:28
you are expensive and I's that Gap in
00:48:31
the market on the ucce on what to do
00:48:35
with seasonal produce rather than going
00:48:37
for that convenient accessible option
00:48:39
which is highly processed and leaves us
00:48:43
feeling like
00:48:44
crap yeah no it definitely does so you
00:48:47
guys decide to do this thing together
00:48:49
this collaboration um after years of
00:48:52
basically being like a strange sisters
00:48:55
um then you tell your parents and what
00:48:57
do they
00:48:58
say at the start they were like oh not
00:49:01
too sure about
00:49:02
this especially after what we just put
00:49:04
them through yeah you not starting a
00:49:07
business yeah actually yeah how like how
00:49:10
how bad was it was it did did you hate
00:49:12
each other or no we just beered a lot
00:49:14
like we we we weren't we were better
00:49:17
when we got through what we've just
00:49:19
talked about I think we as Margo said we
00:49:21
were just clashing we compared
00:49:24
ourselves so much to the point point
00:49:26
where we couldn't bear to be around each
00:49:28
other because mentally we both couldn't
00:49:31
deal with it no but yeah they weren't
00:49:34
too sure they were thinking oh gosh
00:49:36
we've just been through all of this with
00:49:38
both of them the last three years or so
00:49:41
yeah going to bring yeah we're finally
00:49:45
getting somewhere but um no they're
00:49:47
super proud of us and they love moms are
00:49:50
huge well and Dad Dad actually gets
00:49:52
spotted as the two orw sisters dad he
00:49:55
was at the physio the other day and they
00:49:57
he got asked are you the two orw sisters
00:50:00
dad and he just y he just can't deal
00:50:03
with it oh that's adorable God he must
00:50:06
be so proud though right yeah yeah he's
00:50:08
good and yeah mom's mom's always got the
00:50:10
books lined up on her kitchen bench and
00:50:13
telling people if you got the app you
00:50:14
need the app it's really good I just
00:50:16
made these overnight oats last night
00:50:19
they're delicious so the the the first
00:50:21
when you decide okay right we're all in
00:50:23
we're going to do this what's that first
00:50:25
year like do you make any money in the
00:50:26
fut this year oh no no we made we we
00:50:29
were part-time for maybe 2
00:50:32
years and then we decided to we thought
00:50:36
right we want to do a cooking
00:50:38
school we're going to build a kitchen in
00:50:41
town and then that's when we got signed
00:50:43
for our first cookbook as well so we
00:50:46
launched our kitchen and cookbook on the
00:50:49
same day in 2018 in October and then
00:50:53
that's when we went fulltime and that's
00:50:55
when we were like yeah we're going to do
00:50:56
do this thing and obviously the business
00:50:58
has changed and we don't have a cooking
00:51:00
school but that's all part of business
00:51:03
and learning it's evolving and lots of
00:51:06
fights early on like you must have
00:51:07
guarded each other's throats just
00:51:09
figuring out how to work together I
00:51:11
think defining roles or yeah defining
00:51:14
roles was huge for us um and I think we
00:51:17
it took a while for us to actually
00:51:19
figure out first off what what were we
00:51:22
doing within the business like what do
00:51:24
we both love um and then from there
00:51:28
what's our why what's our why how can we
00:51:30
work together what are your strengths
00:51:33
what are my weaknesses where do you want
00:51:35
to hit hit or be in five years time and
00:51:38
same with me because obviously when
00:51:39
you're working together you you've got
00:51:41
to both be on the same pathway and have
00:51:44
the same ideas and the same vision yeah
00:51:46
you got to be rowing in the same
00:51:47
direction right yeah exactly otherwise
00:51:48
it just doesn't work so yeah it took us
00:51:51
quite a while to figure that out
00:51:52
probably good like we we say like
00:51:55
literally probably within the last last
00:51:56
year eight months we've really happy
00:52:00
with where we're at in the business and
00:52:02
how the business is functioning on a
00:52:04
day-to-day basis what our why is how
00:52:07
we're being portrayed to our audiences
00:52:10
and what the business is consisting of
00:52:13
being our cookbooks our app and our
00:52:14
workshops it's taken us five years to
00:52:16
get to this point well you yeah you
00:52:19
mentioned before when you started how
00:52:20
you thought where will we be in 3 years
00:52:22
5 years time are you where you no no oh
00:52:25
my God imagined where you are now no
00:52:28
bigger than what you imagined yeah and
00:52:30
but also different like the app Tech
00:52:33
side of things online but also like
00:52:36
I Our Lives now we couldn't really
00:52:40
predict those five years ago we didn't
00:52:42
know where the hell we were going to be
00:52:44
um but I think that's the cool thing and
00:52:46
what we've probably prided ourselves in
00:52:48
obviously there's a bit of planning
00:52:49
involved but we haven't been like huge
00:52:53
planners like business planners right
00:52:55
this is the time Line This Is Where
00:52:57
we've got to be here and then we've got
00:52:59
to be here well there yeah there has
00:53:01
been plans but I think the key to
00:53:04
entrepreneurship is being fluid with
00:53:06
those movements with whatever happens
00:53:09
like if an opportunity comes up well and
00:53:11
we feel great about it we'll take it and
00:53:13
that may sway the business completely
00:53:16
but you know it's all about trialing
00:53:19
something and if that doesn't work then
00:53:21
cool fail fast move on to the next thing
00:53:23
and there's those events like Co that
00:53:27
can change things and I think what we've
00:53:29
been knowing for and we've had a lot of
00:53:32
people say like I love watching you
00:53:34
because your business and youah are just
00:53:37
so adaptable and you'll go with what
00:53:40
people are needing and what people are
00:53:41
wanting at that particular time and same
00:53:43
with now with the cost of living like
00:53:45
it's a big Hot Topic at the moment and
00:53:48
our we always are sitting down and being
00:53:50
like right how can we help our audience
00:53:52
how can we give them resources to get
00:53:54
them through how can we solve the
00:53:56
problem particular situation yeah
00:53:58
solving the problem yeah how was Co for
00:53:59
you guys was it good or bad or neutral
00:54:01
we actually launched our web app the
00:54:03
first day of Co and it was great and
00:54:06
that was the beginning of the app
00:54:07
journey I supp people never had more
00:54:09
time to cook I know yeah amaz so was
00:54:12
actually fine yeah good okay well it's
00:54:16
um yeah what you're saying I can I can
00:54:17
sort of resonate because that's what I
00:54:18
found with um this podcast JY the last
00:54:20
couple of years and uh you you can plan
00:54:22
all all you want and have all the goals
00:54:24
you want um but I find as long as you
00:54:26
just like keep taking steps in the right
00:54:28
direction every day you'll just be
00:54:30
surprised at you know what doors appear
00:54:32
and what doors open that you never
00:54:34
imagine yeah and you don't know unless
00:54:35
you try as well and as I said some
00:54:37
things we've done and we're like oh that
00:54:39
was such a terrible idea you know but
00:54:42
then also we wouldn't have known that
00:54:44
that was such a terrible idea if we
00:54:46
didn't go down that pathway and you also
00:54:48
learn from those experience too so yeah
00:54:52
it's it's fun we love it I'd get bored
00:54:54
if I just sat in an office all day and
00:54:57
told what I had to do every single day
00:54:59
you'd be so much less stressed I could
00:55:00
deal with it yeah I know sometimes I'm
00:55:02
like you go through phes that would be
00:55:04
quite ideal right now why don't I just
00:55:06
have a salary 9 I can get a maternity
00:55:08
leave package yeah imagine that a job
00:55:11
where you get to work from home two days
00:55:13
a week and we all know that means doing
00:55:14
[ __ ] all yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so um
00:55:17
so so thinking big um like 5 years from
00:55:20
now like where would you like to be if
00:55:23
you think it's funny how I mean the
00:55:26
whole landscape is changing so quickly
00:55:28
so you 20 years ago I suppose the
00:55:30
aspiration for you guys would be to have
00:55:31
like your own TV show but TV's not
00:55:33
really even a thing anymore I think like
00:55:36
yeah moving forward the app is
00:55:37
definitely the big thing in growing that
00:55:39
internationally so um got a few more
00:55:42
books on the pipeline as well yeah but
00:55:45
the app's kind of the main focus yeah
00:55:47
I'm moving to Melbourne next year to
00:55:49
grow the Australian audience so just
00:55:51
growing the like we're know in New
00:55:53
Zealand but now it's the next stage of
00:55:55
growing it Australia wide and then
00:55:58
globally is kind of the goal and just
00:56:00
trying to touch people like that's a big
00:56:03
reason why we started the podcast as
00:56:04
well trying to touch lots lots of people
00:56:08
at lots of different points to get them
00:56:10
down what we call the sales funnel to
00:56:13
get them into the app to pay for a
00:56:16
subscription that sounds so it
00:56:20
ising well you're want we nurture you
00:56:23
guys but to the point you're down the
00:56:26
same
00:56:27
you're up here and then we want to get
00:56:29
you down there so it's how we can do
00:56:30
that it's a strategy they they want you
00:56:33
guys to be healthy but they also want
00:56:35
your money that's just that's business
00:56:37
though right yeah it is it is and that's
00:56:39
a strategy that we work off but as
00:56:41
margar said is how we can reach as many
00:56:44
people as possible educate as many
00:56:46
people as possible and I think we've got
00:56:47
a really good base now that we said
00:56:50
we're super stoked with being our app
00:56:52
our cookbooks our podcasts our social
00:56:55
platforms and our work shs that we can
00:56:57
leverage and touch and hopefully help
00:57:00
lots of people good for you guys it
00:57:01
seems like life's going well and M you
00:57:03
you're moving to Melbourne with your
00:57:05
partner will yes he's moving yes right
00:57:08
is he still doing music he is he was in
00:57:10
the we we talked about this last time
00:57:12
he's in that b no mama you get in my
00:57:15
head over my
00:57:19
head time that's not what is it all this
00:57:22
time I spent with you you had no clue I
00:57:25
was right behind you oh my you get in my
00:57:29
head that's um that's an old song he was
00:57:32
young right he was he still in school
00:57:34
when he to song yes they were yeah I
00:57:36
think they were year
00:57:37
12 Mar was sitting in the SE bling like
00:57:41
[ __ ]
00:57:43
he's she couldn't contain herself like
00:57:45
School buddies no they came and played
00:57:47
at the school oh right and she couldn't
00:57:49
contain herself no that's not true oh
00:57:52
you dragged yourself out a bit that day
00:57:53
didn't
00:57:54
you don't the
00:57:57
qu not missing
00:58:00
NAD well played well played strategic so
00:58:04
what's he doing now is he still doing
00:58:05
Goodwill his own y Goodwill and then um
00:58:09
he does music producing that's kind of
00:58:11
his main thing produces music for
00:58:14
artists and then yeah Goodwill on the
00:58:15
side yeah so so what what's he planning
00:58:18
on doing in Melvin um he's planning on
00:58:20
expanding his producing career I think
00:58:23
New Zealand's not really his target
00:58:25
market so moving to Melbourne will be
00:58:28
good for that with music it's either
00:58:29
Melbourne or LA but America's just
00:58:31
obviously such a difficult place to live
00:58:34
and whatever so um yeah Melbourne's
00:58:37
close for us at work and yeah it's it'll
00:58:40
be good for will so I'm excited it's
00:58:42
cool is he's excited too yeah he's
00:58:45
really excited we've been wanting to do
00:58:46
it for ages but with work hasn't really
00:58:50
worked no well it has been you wouldn't
00:58:53
buddy let me leave
00:58:56
if I left but not anymore yeah oh it
00:59:00
seems like you guys have got so much on
00:59:01
why did you decide to launch the podcast
00:59:03
this year well this has been a thing
00:59:06
we've been wanting to do for so many
00:59:07
years but we haven't done it and we just
00:59:10
said [ __ ] it let's do it we set
00:59:11
ourselves a date we're doing our first
00:59:14
pod releasing our first podcast on this
00:59:16
day and we did it so what's what's the
00:59:19
it it's great like I listened to a few
00:59:22
episodes um over the last few days
00:59:23
knowing that you you got any good
00:59:25
feedback for us any constructive
00:59:26
feedback oh no I think it's I didn't
00:59:28
know what to expect I I wondered if it
00:59:29
was um going to be like an educational
00:59:32
thing or about gut health but it's um
00:59:34
like more of a a peek into into you know
00:59:36
Mar Rosa you guys are as people so just
00:59:39
strengthens that um connection with your
00:59:42
audience yeah exactly um so no we love
00:59:45
we love the podcast it's kind of a
00:59:46
chance for us to CU we live in different
00:59:49
places now like I'm two hours away from
00:59:52
Margo we actually just love coming
00:59:54
together and just chatting yeah and
00:59:56
that's what it that's what the podcast
00:59:58
end up being but some are more
01:00:00
educational where we talk about um you
01:00:03
know Pantry Staples and how to build a
01:00:06
pantry how to build a pantry um meal
01:00:08
prepping for busy lives meal prepping
01:00:10
for busy lives and then we do get we've
01:00:12
just done an e on our partners episode
01:00:15
so I started listening to that yesterday
01:00:16
yeah about not not not um not unpacking
01:00:19
after a
01:00:20
trap my girlfriend does that too like
01:00:22
she'll have the open Suitcase on the
01:00:24
floor for like a week where's me I even
01:00:26
if I get home from like a flight at
01:00:28
midnight I want to un get it in the
01:00:30
laundry before I go to bed clear it's
01:00:32
out of your mind move on to the next
01:00:34
thing you know whereas that's just
01:00:35
lingering lingering
01:00:38
lingering let's not get started on this
01:00:41
hey it's fun to catch up with you guys
01:00:43
as always for having us Tom love love
01:00:45
the new studio congrats thank you and
01:00:48
you I love seeing the the um the
01:00:49
evolution of two raw sisters as well
01:00:51
you've always you never sit still a
01:00:53
you've always got something going on
01:00:54
always we always
01:00:56
yeah we do have an in our pants it's a
01:00:58
good way of putting it hey he just
01:01:00
before we go I've got um some quick fire
01:01:01
questions for you so the show is
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let's
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do oh do you not want to do say Ronald
01:01:27
McDonald House we do we do a bit of work
01:01:29
with them Ronald McDonald House oh they
01:01:32
do a great job don't they love them okay
01:01:35
Marg and Rose are two raw sisters are
01:01:37
you Spenders or Savers sa Savers really
01:01:40
both you're a spender are you kidding
01:01:43
you're a
01:01:44
spender sper I'm a half half okay what
01:01:48
has been your biggest money
01:01:49
mistake oh
01:01:52
um
01:01:54
lifestyle oh oh oh maybe an answer for
01:01:58
each okay Ro just answer we started a
01:02:01
catering business that was probably one
01:02:04
of our mistakes or learnings under the
01:02:07
Two Sisters umbrella s umbrella but you
01:02:09
don't know if you don't try no and and
01:02:11
that's that's what I keep saying to
01:02:12
myself and I needed to try to we needed
01:02:15
to try to figure it out and
01:02:18
personal gosh personal that's a hard one
01:02:21
um what about the wedding you just had
01:02:23
they're not cheap yeah they're not cheap
01:02:25
yeah yeah
01:02:26
no but that was a mistake not Mist what
01:02:29
was your what's your I don't know [ __ ] I
01:02:33
did actually buy these really expensive
01:02:35
earrings for my wedding but I did end up
01:02:37
returning them and I never really wear
01:02:40
like earrings only fire remember sorry
01:02:43
earrings biggest mistake the not the
01:02:46
Karen Walker face
01:02:48
was sure let's go with that no what did
01:02:51
you have no I was going to say my
01:02:53
wardrobes oh that pieces of pieces of
01:02:56
[ __ ] I told her to a little bit more
01:02:59
what do you mean like the the W the
01:03:00
actual Ward I think if you put your
01:03:02
finger on it Dom it'll break right yeah
01:03:05
what is that but is that a weight
01:03:06
problem though you got too many garments
01:03:08
no I think I just went for the cheaper
01:03:09
option I just got a nice new wardrob and
01:03:12
spent a little bit of money on it cuz
01:03:14
I'm a spender and then
01:03:17
I you have to do example you have and
01:03:20
you
01:03:22
Jo oh God I'd hate this to be the moment
01:03:24
that two Ro sisters came to an well you
01:03:27
can tell who bloody leads the charge is
01:03:30
me um yeah are you who is the boss by
01:03:33
the way different areas different bosses
01:03:36
yeah and does it vary from day to day
01:03:38
yep yeah oh well yeah but we have our
01:03:40
like your lead your areas in the
01:03:42
business and I'll lead my areas yeah um
01:03:45
who do you guys talk to when you have
01:03:46
questions about money mom and dad or
01:03:49
accountants oh they are oh no sorry or
01:03:52
or accountants or accountants oh yeah
01:03:54
yeah yeah MH yeah it's amazing that most
01:03:56
people talk to my husband's really he's
01:03:58
an accountant so yeah I'll talk to him
01:04:01
right but you don't talk to him about
01:04:03
everything but there's some purchases
01:04:04
that you oh no we have
01:04:06
SE good I re I re I re that's good for a
01:04:10
healthy marage he's actually the spender
01:04:11
in the
01:04:12
relationship uh what's something fun you
01:04:14
can see yourself doing in
01:04:16
retirement I'd love to tra do tra like
01:04:19
travel the world yeah I I did a little
01:04:21
bit with running but obviously getting
01:04:23
married and having kids now I haven't
01:04:25
really had well we haven't done any
01:04:27
together so would definitely love to go
01:04:28
traveling I'd love to do something in
01:04:30
child birth
01:04:33
area what do you mean like a midwife no
01:04:36
yeah whether it's volunteering or
01:04:39
something in the Woman's Health
01:04:42
maternity space why I love that stuff if
01:04:46
I wasn't doing two real sisters I
01:04:48
wouldn't be doing that it just
01:04:50
fascinates me it just yeah okay I know
01:04:54
it's great look your question
01:04:56
sorry sorry yeah yeah um if you could
01:04:58
pick anywhere to retire in New Zealand
01:05:00
where would it be and why uh W has
01:05:02
always been my absolute favorite place
01:05:05
yeah God it's a great got married to
01:05:07
yeah probably Queenstown for me and
01:05:10
what's something you love most about
01:05:11
being a
01:05:12
kiwi I love I love how you can walk into
01:05:15
a place and you know some like we were
01:05:17
in a shop the other day two groups of
01:05:20
people we knew walked in a good old
01:05:22
catch up with them if it was interesting
01:05:24
being away coming home everyone's so
01:05:26
friendly here and we have the most
01:05:30
amazing thing of everything landscape
01:05:33
townships people oceans beaches coffee
01:05:37
food yeah it' be interesting to see um
01:05:40
how your if your perspective will change
01:05:42
and if so how it'll change once you've
01:05:43
lived in Melbourne for a while yeah I'm
01:05:45
I'm intrigued in on that too yeah do you
01:05:48
like living in New Zealand I love it
01:05:51
yeah I love it too I love it um yeah
01:05:53
it's great hey it's so good
01:05:56
well Mar and Rosa two raw sisters
01:06:00
fabulous to have you as the first guests
01:06:01
in my new studio oh we feel very
01:06:03
privileged we do well done with your
01:06:06
podcast and everything too well thank
01:06:08
you proud of you oh proud of you guys as
01:06:10
well it's cool it's not easy out there
01:06:12
right like no one no one's making you do
01:06:13
anything you got to make [ __ ] happen
01:06:15
yourself and you guys do and I'm I'm
01:06:17
always inspired by you too thanks
