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hello and welcome to episode 28 of
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Runners only with dom Harvey on this
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episode triathlete Andrea Hansen
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formerly known as Andrea Hewitt yeah you
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can't have more more children after you
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get the Commonwealth Games out of the
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way or yes definitely yeah really very
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very happy
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at the time of recording the central
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Andrea was in Birmingham for the 2022
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Commonwealth Games and at the age of 40
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and with a toddler it might be the last
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time we ever see this Triathlon Legend
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wearing the black Lycra in this
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conversation that we recorded at her
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home in Christchurch we talk about her
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incredible career spending almost two
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decades how she stayed fit during her
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recent pregnancy giving birth while
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nursing a broken arm that's a hell of a
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story and the time she finished the
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triathlon after breaking her collarbone
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well I've been a fan of Andrea for years
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so it was an absolute pleasure to get to
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spend time with her she's she's quite a
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shy and modest person so talking about
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herself and all the amazing things she's
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done is not something that comes easy to
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her so I can't thank her enough for
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putting up with me all right let's get
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into it episode 28.
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fast-paced slow and steady anywhere you
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Runners only with dom Harvey and Andrea
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Hansen it feels weird saying that Andrea
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Hansen I I feel like you've been on our
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screens for years and years and years as
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Andrea Hewitt sort of rolls off the
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tongue
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well how are you you used the new name I
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guess I've been around a long time so
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yeah Hewitt as the normal but yeah I'm
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coming back as Hanson right right and um
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you're 40 now
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yeah 40. why'd you roll your eyes
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because everyone brings up my age but I
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think um I suppose they bring up your
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age because it's remarkable that you're
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still performing at the level you are at
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that age yeah well when I um diff when I
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started running and doing Triathlon I
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never thought you know about my age and
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I was a little bit late to start so
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like a lot of the girls that I'm racing
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now were around when I started so I
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don't feel that old except when you
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mentioned you're sorry about it and I
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did it within the first minute but if um
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someone likes say Cameron Brown's
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listening to this he'll be like [ __ ]
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she's young yeah he's going he's still
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going he's doing great he's doing great
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did you did when you started how old
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were you when you started out in
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Triathlon 22 22 right she asked me like
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half your life
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yeah but I mean I was swimming doing
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stuff life saving all those Sports so I
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mean my whole life I've done sport it's
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just Triathlon at the moment yeah so
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it's been um it's been remarkable um
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there's so much I want to tick off with
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you but three Olympic Games yeah so it's
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um Beijing London and Rio and presumably
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you only missed out on the Tokyo ones
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because you were pregnant or with a baby
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uh yeah oh didn't get selected so I had
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a I had flossie last year in February
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and then the Olympics were in July it
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was a bit closer right and three
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Commonwealth Games three yeah yeah New
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Delhi wasn't wasn't in the didn't have
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Triathlon in the Commonwealth game so
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2010. right and um where did you where
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you did quite well on the main like top
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10 finishes and all of them uh
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Commonwealth Games oh no not the last
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one I got oh sorry for pulling that up
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yeah I was third and
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third and um Melbourne back in 2006 and
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then fourth in Glasgow in 2014 and then
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was the 13th
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oh that's a story is that a respectable
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finish it's one of those one of those
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Sports I wear anything can happen on the
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day well I missed the swim Bunch so it
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was all over from there right how did
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you miss the swim Bunch adding some of
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that's enough right
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okay so um where is the middle where do
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you keep the middle oh the that's the
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front door the Commonwealth Games yeah
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how do I miss that on the way in yeah
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didn't look at it unbelievable I'm
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pleased you've still got it I um
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recorded a podcast earlier today with um
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Zach Guilford the former all black and
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he won a gold medal for the sevens at um
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one of the Commonwealth Games and um he
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sold that for gambling money oh okay so
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I'm pleased that you've still got yours
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so you go to Birmingham for the
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Commonwealth Games this will be your
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last one or Never Say Never
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yeah four years from now 44 it's a bit
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too much isn't it I said I don't know I
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don't know yeah I don't know either but
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yeah I'll just take it year by year at
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the moment yeah that's a good way to
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take it okay so um yes so let's go way
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back I was reading a bit about you and
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your family you like a water family yeah
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a swimming family
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surf life saving water polo yeah that's
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right yeah yeah so who does what one of
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your sisters is like a top level surf
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Lifesaver the other one's water polo
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back when we're at high school and right
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yeah uni so my older sister Tina did
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well she was the one that started
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swimming and that's who I followed to
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the pool she's three years older than me
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and then she was the one that started
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surf life serving I followed her there
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too and we went to Australia and
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traveled a bit Hawaii and raced and
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competed and social saving and my
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younger sister Sierra she was the water
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polo player right and um so you were
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just a swimmer growing up
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uh well there's a summer until I'd say
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14. yeah I started surf life 7 at 11. so
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I was yeah in the water but
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um I did other sports too like right I
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did a bit of running too okay so were
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you quite a good runner and that's how
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you sort of gravitated towards triathlon
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no it was just it was just timing I just
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went through the sports changed as a
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like each year just decided what I
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wanted to do and then it was actually I
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did the coast to coast in 2005 and I met
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John hellermann who's Triathlon coach
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and he was telling me I was silly for
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doing the coast to coast at 22 and had
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never done anything like that it's like
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doing an Iron Man really did you do the
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full one yeah one day right just one day
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just first go yeah right water down a
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marathon why did he think you were
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foolish for doing that it's 22 too young
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oh you just said that I'd never done
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anything like it right like I hadn't
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done any long distance I hadn't really I
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hadn't done a marathon I hadn't run that
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far before and
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although Gates Pass isn't really running
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is it just like scrambling over rocks
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and yeah but it's still a phone yeah
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yeah and how did you get on I was fourth
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in 2000 oh [ __ ] yes that wasn't too bad
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right so is that the moment where you're
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like okay maybe uh you know maybe I
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replaced the the canoe for dogs and no
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actually it was before that he told me
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that he would coach me for the coast to
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coast over that summer so he was
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coaching Christina England who won the
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event and so I was able to go training
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with her
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for the coast to coast she won it she
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was like 6 30 overall with the men's
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only five men beat her I think she might
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be the only woman that's ever made the
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top ten wow and he told me you know he
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can go train with her but I'll coach you
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only if you do Triathlon after and so
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the Nationals in Triathlon was two weeks
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after and I went up to Napier so my
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first Olympic distance Triathlon and so
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for anyone that doesn't know what is an
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Olympic this is Triathlon 1500 meters or
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swimming like 40K on the bike and 10K on
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the run right so it's around two hours
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yeah so I went to the New York
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yeah
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so into the New Zealand chance and I
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finished third and the under 23 and that
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qualified me for the world Champs
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straight off so in 2005 I became a
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traffic
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yeah yeah and you you um yeah how many
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world champs did you um have you
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participated in
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uh up until 2018 right and you and
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you've won it once so you were the world
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champion I won the Grand Final in 2011
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but in 2009 it changed from a world
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championship race to a series so it's I
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won the championship race but I got
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finished second in the series right
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right oh disappointing if only the
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second best in the world oh yeah I just
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feel your husband gave me a Stein leg
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which is very nice I just I came in here
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I rearranged to a house got a coffee
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table for the microphones I've just put
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beer on your on your table do you want
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me to get a cloth and so I thought is
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that okay oh my husband can grab one
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I'm a terrible houses hey by the way
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it's a beautiful house you've got yeah
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lots of money in Triathlon
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I had Eric Murray on the podcast a few
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weeks ago and he told me what it pays
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being a high performance Sports person
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and it's not something you do for the
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money is that it's definitely for the
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love you're making sacrifices so your
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husband must oh thank you he must have a
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good job
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he's shaking his head what are you doing
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at the moment he's
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he's teed up a job for September yeah
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how do you how do you guys work out like
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how many hours a day or a week are you
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training what what does an average day
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look like for Andrea Andrea Henson
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Andrew Hanson at the moment I'm trading
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twice a day so swimming at 7 30 well
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this morning swim at 7 30 and then I had
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a massage at midday and then I had a run
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session at four so it was two two and a
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half two one and a half hour sessions
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yeah you're still coping with like the
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double session days now with you getting
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older yeah I actually haven't noticed my
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age yeah
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like three times in eight minutes there
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was more coming back from pregnancy than
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it was just hard getting back into the
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pool and like doing the miles again I'd
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never taken that much time off swimming
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before probably in my life so it was
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that was a difficult part but the
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running and the biking I came back
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pretty strong yeah how much of a break
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did you did you give up all sort of
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forms of exercise like in the late
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stages of the pregnancy or at the early
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stages of your daughter's life well how
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much of a how much of a full break did
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you have because I had um Camille bus
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come on the um on the podcast a few
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weeks ago she's heavily pregnant at the
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moment she's still trying to run like
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10ks most days
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yeah I'm in the hill so sometimes I was
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walking like two hours or so so I was
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trying to keep keep out what you can
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yeah keep out there but I wasn't doing
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any like I stopped doing you know gym
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work and yeah those things were the
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belly
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um I actually brung the arm it was how
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long was it was it two weeks three weeks
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before I gave birth so it had a broken
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arm wasn't great how did you do that I
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fell over
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um in our old house that we had uh
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I don't know have a little wall at the
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out the back and I kind of stepped up
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onto it and I lost my balance
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that sounds like an old age injury
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had this big Valley on me yeah wow well
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lucky um yeah yeah wow like he lucky the
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baby was okay yeah I fell on my arm
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broke it
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um and yeah and you were tough as well
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that reminds me it was um there's one
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event you were in where you um I broke
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your collarbone on the bike and then you
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you you still finish that leg of the
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triathlon then you ran
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in 2014 I was in way high in China uh
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silly idea to do a long distance
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Triathlon so what's a long distance
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Triathlon it was on the time trial bike
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and that was my sort of my first and
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only I've done tuna my first race that
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was on the track time trial bike so big
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long Aero bars out the front fast came
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into transition and it's it's a little
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bit harder to control
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and so I wasn't used to getting off
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first time jumping off the bike at speed
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and I just put on the brakes flipped
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over the front landed on my collarbone
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and then
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I I was coming no it's not funny I'm
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just imagining that wait what okay so
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you're on a time job you must have like
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um because there's a well-known saying
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at all levels of sports that you don't
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do anything on race day that you haven't
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already done in training you must have
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been on the bike before yeah but when
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you get off the bike when you're
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training you stop right off when you're
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in a race you're doing it everything at
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speed so even jumping on the bike
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sometimes people fly over slip slippers
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you know he's got this mental picture of
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how it happened okay so was it like just
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a fracture or like a proper break
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there's a proper break
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I am I used to do a bit of cycling and
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that that happened to me during the
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Round Lake taupo ride one year I I've
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clipped someone else's wheel and fell
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off and broke my collarbone it's the
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bloody it's painful
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so painful
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I know my husband did the same thing and
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he he was in pain too oh we I had to
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wear like button up shirts because you
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can't lift your arm up just get things
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like getting in and out of the bath
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things that you take for granted so how
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do you like how do you complete the
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triathlon with that injury is it just
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adrenaline or what well I sat down in
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transitioned putting my shoes on like
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well I didn't set a fell over because I
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couldn't couldn't feel couldn't didn't
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have any strength in my arm so I was
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sitting there a coach came over to me
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and was like you're right and I was like
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I'll try to run I'm instead I'll try to
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try to get there it was the world champs
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for long distance and so I started
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running I remember the first thing was I
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tried to grab a water bottle it just
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slipped through my hand couldn't drink
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any water uh
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just ran 20K and keep my position that
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was I think it was just coming third
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that was keeping me going you finished
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third yeah
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yeah how long did the Run take you it
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was 20K yeah and how long can you
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remember the time I think it was 124.
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that's a good time
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do you what would you normally do 20ks
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then
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do you think it was slower due to the
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collarbone
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yeah yeah definitely yeah because I was
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talking as well a lot of the time like I
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was telling people I wasn't paying like
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not paying but I was telling people that
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had something wrong with me I didn't
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know it was my color bonus right right
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oh my God yeah when it happened to me it
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was the most immoralizing things I get
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taken to um taupo hospital and then they
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just give me like an ibuprofen and a
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sling and send me on my way because I
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can't there's nothing they can really do
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about it I got it plated
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I came home and the bone had like Fallen
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like completely broken fallen down the
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side of my arm and so I had to get it
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put back together so they put seven pins
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in the plate headed in there for a year
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oh
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is that the worst injury you've had in
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Triathlon on the sport yeah yeah
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definitely yeah unbelievable
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um in 2018 you make the queen's birthday
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honors list yeah that was cool that's it
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yeah is that a cool thing what happens
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there do you do you get a heads up that
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it's going to happen yeah and just a
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letter in the mail yeah just out of the
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blue yeah the blue and if you want to
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accept it and then
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um yeah then someone writes or the
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person who nominated you organization
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writes what they gave it to you for and
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you go and get presented
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yeah so you where do you go to get
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presented uh I chose the Christchurch
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presentation and it was at the Air Force
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Museum yep so I was probably the
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youngest there I don't want to say 50
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years maybe at 20 years
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well I suppose you've you accomplished
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so much and in these years of your life
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that um yeah you have done enough for
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the sport of triathlon to deserve it at
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this young age
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yeah well they probably thought I was
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going to retire at that stage so you
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proved them well yeah they probably
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thought 2018 was my last common last
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game so that was probably good timing
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and for them they thought and here I am
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yeah I have people as you've sort of
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progressed through the 30s sort of
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started to I don't know if write you off
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as the right way to frame it but just
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think that it's going to be the end of
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your career
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yeah well even I did from 2016 I thought
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that was the end of my career and I keep
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going and did really well in 2017 one of
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my bcos and then
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I got sick in 2018 didn't know if I was
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gonna go on for 2019 so I did step back
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a bit and when I had flossy I knew I
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wanted to get fat and I knew I was gonna
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train and do those things but I didn't
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know I was going to come back and get a
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couple of games yeah but when you
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compete and like I just do the best I
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can so it was it was just a progression
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all the competitions I've done this last
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year I've got better and better
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I mean yeah the amount of training the
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amount of work that's involved you need
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that passion for it hey you know you
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need that fire in your belly which is
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clear look in your eyes here that you
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still have yes it's really good and at
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the moment I'm swimming with Dane Sophie
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Pasco so oh yeah I've heard of here
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so we um we swim next to each other in
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the pool and really push each other
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along and she's the same she's like this
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could be my last year and right even
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though she's only what how old is she
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28. she must be exhausted like Oregon
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swimming's got to be the worst sport to
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train for like your head's down you're
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looking at a black line for hours on end
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and she's done that for so many years
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like the um yeah we started together
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back in Beijing even though she's 28
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she's been to the same amount of
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Olympics yeah well more she went to
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Tokyo too unbelievable she only 28.
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she's been on our screens forever yeah
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remarkable so so you and your husband
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how did you guys make
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through there
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it was true
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he's just behind the sofa over there
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just popped up with a banana
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no just through a mutual friend who does
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triathlon yeah he was living with them
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and he
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well you met him through swimming and
00:17:35
Ollie dabbled in some cycling and
00:17:39
he even a few triathlons and
00:17:42
yeah
00:17:44
he's shaking his head knife was he any
00:17:46
good
00:17:47
well his claim is that he beat me he's
00:17:50
beat me in the two triathlons we've done
00:17:52
together right
00:17:53
toenail
00:17:54
[Laughter]
00:17:57
so yeah throughout through Mike Phillips
00:17:59
who he's won I'm in New Zealand and he
00:18:01
does a lot of training with me in
00:18:02
Christchurch right
00:18:04
it was a very unromantic story there's
00:18:06
got to be more to it than that was it
00:18:07
like who had a crush on who was it Love
00:18:09
at First Time
00:18:11
so yeah oh my gosh
00:18:14
what you got played
00:18:18
this isn't this isn't true
00:18:20
I
00:18:22
don't know
00:18:26
no we just were hanging out we're just
00:18:27
doing the training and yeah it just
00:18:30
happened like that yeah did you sort of
00:18:32
train together a little bit Yeah Yeah
00:18:33
well he started training a lot with Mike
00:18:35
and
00:18:36
I was already well running and
00:18:40
while he runs with me now anyway here we
00:18:42
are now yeah
00:18:44
and he doesn't have to work because he's
00:18:46
coming over with us we leave on Thursday
00:18:48
and we're overseas for two and a half
00:18:49
months how exciting is that so when did
00:18:51
so we're recording this
00:18:53
um podcast at the end of May so you're
00:18:56
leaving later this week and then went to
00:18:58
the Commonwealth game start I'm not it's
00:19:00
on the 29th of July right why are you
00:19:04
going so soon it's too I'm racing in
00:19:06
Leeds next and two weekends away right
00:19:09
and that's one of the world Triathlon
00:19:11
series and then training with a New
00:19:13
Zealand team over in Spain yeah in the
00:19:15
warm weather and racing Hamburg too
00:19:17
before become games yeah and how are you
00:19:19
feeling about the commonwealth games
00:19:20
like do you have any sort of
00:19:21
expectations or hopes or goals I think
00:19:24
I'll know more after leads yeah because
00:19:26
I'll be racing the girls that are used
00:19:27
to race and having
00:19:30
done one of the races yeah it's been
00:19:32
over two years I went to mooloolaba in
00:19:34
2020 and was fourth there
00:19:37
um
00:19:38
yeah hopefully it's
00:19:40
all on track so you feel like if
00:19:43
everything goes right over there you
00:19:44
could be on the podium
00:19:46
yeah definitely if everything goes right
00:19:48
yeah yeah if I make that front pick
00:19:51
yeah can you well can you explain that
00:19:53
for anyone that doesn't sort of fully
00:19:54
understand Triathlon how do you mean if
00:19:56
you make that front Okay so there's
00:19:57
drafting drafting aloud on the bike and
00:20:00
so if you miss that draft it's really
00:20:03
hard to catch up
00:20:04
so it starts with a swim and you can so
00:20:07
people say that you either you just you
00:20:10
swim you can either lose it lose the
00:20:12
whole race in the swim or just like be
00:20:14
in the race so if I swim fast enough and
00:20:17
come out together with the front of the
00:20:19
race then I can start the front of the
00:20:21
race it's a lot easier right now is that
00:20:24
one of those things where it's easier
00:20:25
said than done or
00:20:26
do you have like a game plan or a
00:20:28
strategy for how you can do well on this
00:20:29
one
00:20:31
um it's well I'm definitely not as fast
00:20:33
as the swimmer as the top swimmers
00:20:34
that's the thing so I'm always battling
00:20:38
um but if I get in the right position
00:20:39
like around the boy being on the inside
00:20:43
and getting on the right feet so
00:20:45
drafting on the swim too as well as on
00:20:47
the bike right and also having a good
00:20:48
transition
00:20:49
so running out of the water putting the
00:20:52
helmet on
00:20:54
uh taking the wetsuit off and then
00:20:57
jumping on the bike
00:20:59
it's a lot going on isn't it do you do
00:21:01
you practice those transitions yeah
00:21:03
probably not enough but I have raised
00:21:06
them I think I think I've been told it's
00:21:09
something like 230
00:21:12
uh World Triathlon races so Jess you've
00:21:15
done some stuff it's a lot of racing
00:21:17
well it just keep going from when I
00:21:19
started Triathlon from it was kind of
00:21:21
like planned the next year of what races
00:21:23
I would do like I'd qualified and I was
00:21:25
in the New Zealand team so I just went
00:21:27
and did most of the world Triathlon
00:21:29
races the next year and just keep going
00:21:31
and I haven't really been injured so
00:21:34
some years I was racing 20. 22 times
00:21:38
yeah how so is that just luck like the
00:21:41
jeans or
00:21:43
I mean you have been injured there was
00:21:44
that collarbone incident that we talked
00:21:46
about before but no actual injuries like
00:21:48
no no I missed one race because of that
00:21:49
and then got straight back into it the
00:21:52
um
00:21:54
I don't think it's I don't think it's
00:21:55
jeans but I think it's just
00:22:01
like injury prevention knowing knowing
00:22:05
your body knowing how to train and
00:22:07
knowing what you how you can train and
00:22:10
what you can do yeah pushing too hard
00:22:12
and
00:22:13
not being on that limit and going over
00:22:15
right right are you quite good at
00:22:17
listening to your body are you
00:22:18
well I guess so I haven't yeah they
00:22:21
haven't
00:22:22
been yeah if I had I don't get sick that
00:22:25
afternoon and those sort of things yeah
00:22:27
um and is it true that you were back
00:22:28
running
00:22:29
um just two weeks after giving birth
00:22:31
I thought I read that somewhere uh
00:22:33
probably I was probably I was probably
00:22:35
on the win trainer one week after right
00:22:37
I know that um when I came out of
00:22:39
hospital so I had philosophy Friday came
00:22:41
at a hospital the next Thursday because
00:22:43
I had a cesarean and then on the
00:22:45
Saturday so eight days after I walked
00:22:48
halfway up the Adventure park because
00:22:49
the downhill mountain biking was on so I
00:22:51
was watching that and have you done
00:22:53
quite a bit of running with the pram
00:22:54
yeah yeah yeah definitely um been taking
00:22:57
flossy around the Hills
00:22:59
oh my God that's good training isn't it
00:23:01
yeah especially now she's 10 and a half
00:23:04
kgs
00:23:05
of driving to your house tonight it's um
00:23:07
that's a it's up a very very Steep and
00:23:10
Long Hill yeah it's a good not a nice
00:23:12
way to end your run especially the bike
00:23:14
good strength training yeah no the right
00:23:16
they've got runs okay normally I'd run
00:23:17
up to start and then run down to finish
00:23:19
yeah yeah
00:23:21
um yeah why did you call it flossie
00:23:23
what's flossy short for Florence
00:23:25
Florence is that why Florence
00:23:27
well I thought as part of Ollie's family
00:23:30
from ashburton
00:23:32
so that's a beautiful name you can't
00:23:35
have more more children after you get
00:23:37
the Commonwealth Games out of the way or
00:23:38
yes definitely yeah really very very
00:23:41
happy
00:23:45
yeah oh it's good well you seem like
00:23:47
wonderful parents she's a real cutie she
00:23:50
should be in beard right now right
00:23:52
yeah it said and mess with it hey
00:23:56
hello well she's wide awake she's not
00:23:59
going anywhere she's smiling um are you
00:24:01
flying um when you fly over says you're
00:24:03
flying um business or economy or how do
00:24:05
they fly you over there no we just fly
00:24:06
economy really
00:24:08
oh God economy with a baby oh
00:24:12
poor other passengers it's so
00:24:14
inconsiderate of you guys
00:24:17
I'm kidding are you nervous about how
00:24:20
she's gonna fly I'm okay she's fine when
00:24:23
she's sitting on me and she's around me
00:24:24
oh he's a bit nervous I said we could do
00:24:26
half each like
00:24:28
give me four hours to get him for us and
00:24:30
he was like no no no no no I'll find
00:24:32
another seat and
00:24:35
and go sit at the back yeah yeah because
00:24:39
at the moment she doesn't have a seat
00:24:40
right so she can she can sleep in that
00:24:42
bassinet if she will okay oh so you have
00:24:45
like the exit row seats at the front
00:24:46
where they have to take a clip-on table
00:24:48
yes oh cool cool yeah oh that'll be good
00:24:52
where do you stay over there
00:24:54
all over and airbnbs hotels
00:24:57
yeah all over
00:25:00
um
00:25:01
something else that's part of the um the
00:25:04
fabric of your life and I don't know if
00:25:05
you want to get into this or not but
00:25:06
your your ex and um his tragic death
00:25:09
like seven years ago so you were you
00:25:12
were married or engaged uh we're engaged
00:25:14
yeah yes this was um Laureen Lauren yeah
00:25:17
we met in 2005. yeah and he was a
00:25:21
triathlete triathlete really good right
00:25:23
yeah really really good he could run
00:25:26
really really fast
00:25:28
um and he ended up coach studying
00:25:30
coaching me so uh he started coaching
00:25:34
uh when my coach retired John
00:25:37
hellermann's in 2008 and John Helens by
00:25:40
the way is retired I think five times or
00:25:42
so so and now he's also he's he's still
00:25:44
my coach
00:25:46
so he is still a trifling coach bet um
00:25:48
Lauren started coaching when he coached
00:25:51
me and then he this was in 2009 and then
00:25:54
he coached himself and he went to the
00:25:56
Beijing Olympics in London Olympics
00:25:58
and yeah we were together on tours
00:26:02
awesome I was listening to um a podcast
00:26:06
that he was on just the other day
00:26:07
actually um I think it was recorded in
00:26:09
Wanaka it sounds like it was recorded in
00:26:10
a
00:26:11
um in like a restaurant in a hotel or
00:26:14
something and at that point he was
00:26:16
talking about his um it had heart
00:26:18
problems like he'd collapsed in a race
00:26:19
or whatever yeah it's quite quite sort
00:26:21
of Haunting hearing it in a way yeah
00:26:23
what eventually happened Heath uh
00:26:26
fainted
00:26:27
the first time was in clipsville and
00:26:30
then in Sydney and then during training
00:26:34
and the episode during training he got
00:26:36
contour and Juice coma so that one
00:26:39
um was the end of his career so he was
00:26:43
still coaching me and
00:26:46
yeah everything was fine like he didn't
00:26:49
have any other problems
00:26:51
um and it was just sudden you know
00:26:53
sudden so okay so so that's why he
00:26:56
retired from the sport because of the
00:26:58
the heart problems yes
00:27:00
um but presumably he thought he thought
00:27:03
it was like being managed or was under
00:27:05
control yeah it was it always one of
00:27:07
those things where where no it was
00:27:09
Sports and juice so he thought by
00:27:10
stopping sport that it wouldn't happen
00:27:12
again like it had only happened when he
00:27:14
was doing Sport and they never ever gave
00:27:18
us any indication that it would happen
00:27:19
during a sleep
00:27:21
so what was it just like a massive heart
00:27:23
attack
00:27:24
I I don't think it's a heart attack when
00:27:28
it's and our heart attacks when the
00:27:29
arteries blocked right
00:27:32
I'm not sure what that is but I think um
00:27:34
it was a cardiac arrest right that's
00:27:38
what they call it it's just a heart to
00:27:40
start oh my God I'm so sorry you had to
00:27:43
go through that it's awful it's so
00:27:44
highly thought of in the um Triathlon
00:27:46
Community as well maybe Chris kimle at
00:27:48
the time said some really kind words
00:27:49
about them
00:27:51
um so so you're there at the time yeah
00:27:53
yeah and
00:27:55
so when
00:27:57
when you hear the saying that someone
00:27:58
died in their sleep do they actually was
00:28:00
it was he actually asleep so you just
00:28:02
wake up in the morning and he's passed
00:28:04
or yeah I woke up in the middle of the
00:28:06
night but I'm not sure why yeah it was
00:28:09
at 2 30 in the morning
00:28:10
yeah nothing
00:28:12
oh my God how do you recover from that
00:28:15
how long how long did it does one of
00:28:17
those things you ever get over
00:28:19
I guess not when you think about it like
00:28:21
when someone brings it up like this but
00:28:25
um
00:28:26
there was nothing that I could do I
00:28:29
stayed over there I was
00:28:31
we had the funeral I was with his family
00:28:35
um and then
00:28:37
yeah there's nothing I could do there's
00:28:39
no I wasn't going to live over in France
00:28:41
anymore yeah I just came home because
00:28:44
you guys sort of split the year right
00:28:45
you'd have half the year in France and
00:28:47
half the year here in New Zealand so how
00:28:49
old were you at the time like 32 33
00:28:52
I was 33. it was 31.
00:28:56
I'm so sorry you had to go through that
00:28:58
does it does it get easier
00:29:02
um yeah definitely definitely gets easy
00:29:04
yeah but I mean it's yeah he's still
00:29:08
a big part of your life part of my life
00:29:10
yeah so
00:29:12
um
00:29:13
I mean I suppose like Wednesday that
00:29:15
happens to you you could go in two
00:29:17
different ways like you could lose the
00:29:18
desire to compete and do the thing that
00:29:21
you loved and the thing that you did
00:29:22
together why did you decide to go on was
00:29:25
it like almost like to honor his memory
00:29:26
in a way or because you still had so
00:29:28
much to get the sport
00:29:29
honestly I it didn't even cross my mind
00:29:32
to stop traffic and that was just what I
00:29:35
was doing I know that there were
00:29:37
articles and people were saying you know
00:29:39
we'll give her time to see what she
00:29:41
wants to do but in my mind I was never
00:29:43
just gonna stop yeah like I don't know
00:29:46
what he wanted to right it was in 2015
00:29:49
so I'd already qualified for Rio
00:29:52
um obviously a whole lot had to change
00:29:54
when I came home he wasn't there so I
00:29:56
had to
00:29:57
I just you know had to work with who I
00:30:01
could who was around who was around me
00:30:03
and uh obviously find a new coach and
00:30:06
those sort of things but I was really
00:30:08
lucky I found Maddie Dillon well I
00:30:10
didn't find her she she decided that she
00:30:13
wanted to spend the year with me
00:30:16
and she was she was a triathlete from
00:30:18
Auckland so I was really lucky to have
00:30:20
her and I don't matter yeah yeah we've
00:30:22
got a few half marathons together yeah
00:30:24
yeah she's really I was pacing one I was
00:30:27
doing pacing this run and um Omaha like
00:30:30
I was the 90 minute pace Guy and um you
00:30:33
know you look around a few k's in and
00:30:35
she's she's there and she's like oh I'm
00:30:37
hoping to hoping to do 90 or break 90
00:30:38
and it wasn't until afterwards that I
00:30:40
like I looked her up and it's like oh
00:30:41
[ __ ] or she's legit yeah it's probably
00:30:44
even faster than
00:30:45
90.84 now yeah then I saw her in um last
00:30:49
year and um we were sort of running it
00:30:51
running about the same pace for the
00:30:52
first 10ks and then she just blasted and
00:30:54
I did um I remember my time was um one
00:30:57
hour 23 45 and she was like a minute or
00:31:00
two quicker than that she's very Speedy
00:31:02
oh so you trained with Maddie for a
00:31:04
while yeah she came to Christchurch for
00:31:06
uh from in 2016 and then she was my
00:31:10
training partner and just with me for
00:31:12
every well a year until the Olympics and
00:31:15
then even the next time as she came down
00:31:17
to cross streets and trained
00:31:18
so um dealing with like the grief side
00:31:21
of things like did you see a therapist
00:31:23
do you have any counseling or anything
00:31:24
at the time or are you just quite good
00:31:25
at like you seem quite stoic are you
00:31:27
quite good at um like just processing
00:31:29
things on your own well I wasn't on my
00:31:31
own when I came home yeah well when I
00:31:33
was over there even I had family and
00:31:35
friends like Chris Campbell came and
00:31:37
um
00:31:38
James Avery and Tom Davison so friends
00:31:40
from New Zealand came over and
00:31:43
like I had a lot of support around me
00:31:44
and then when I came home to New Zealand
00:31:46
I was with my parents and yeah my sister
00:31:49
was here
00:31:50
so I always have people around me and
00:31:53
then yeah with high performance sport
00:31:54
they did office
00:31:56
a therapist and I think I saw him twice
00:32:00
not not for you
00:32:02
John hallerman had Helen had always said
00:32:06
that like there were athletes that he
00:32:08
coached that needed a little kick in the
00:32:10
butt and he knew he said he always said
00:32:13
that I didn't need that that I would do
00:32:15
my training and wouldn't complain so
00:32:18
I mean I wasn't
00:32:20
fine after what everything that happened
00:32:22
but of course not but I did like I
00:32:26
managed and I had a lot of family
00:32:28
support yeah no support yeah I'm I'm
00:32:31
sorry I mean you're married now we've
00:32:33
talked about your name so I'm I'm so
00:32:34
pleased I guess it took a while before
00:32:35
you were sort of ready you know to be
00:32:37
open for that again
00:32:39
yeah
00:32:41
um just through yeah it was just through
00:32:43
training and friends I didn't go out
00:32:44
looking it was just
00:32:47
went on bundle no right place right time
00:32:50
right moment yeah
00:32:52
yeah oh thanks for sharing and being so
00:32:55
honest about that it's a terrible thing
00:32:57
I think when when it happened everyone
00:32:58
in New Zealand sort of you know really
00:33:00
felt for you it's an awful thing to go
00:33:01
through yeah well I was it was just a
00:33:04
shock because I started and it was a
00:33:06
shock for everyone
00:33:07
it's funny how these things happen and
00:33:09
you went ahead like how I mean you like
00:33:11
you've got a beautiful life now and it's
00:33:13
amazing you've got a you know you're
00:33:14
married and you've got your daughter and
00:33:15
you've lived in this fabulous house but
00:33:17
you just wonder how different your life
00:33:18
would have been
00:33:19
I guess oh yeah definitely yeah but you
00:33:21
can't think like that you can't think in
00:33:23
the past and
00:33:25
yeah I always said I was going to live
00:33:26
in New Zealand but it was different with
00:33:29
someone different it just doesn't work
00:33:30
out all the time where does this like
00:33:33
um mental strength of yours come from do
00:33:36
you know is everyone in your family like
00:33:37
this like you're just some very um you
00:33:40
know all of us this is all completely
00:33:43
different so no I wouldn't say that
00:33:45
we're eating anything similar yeah um
00:33:48
has your mental health over the years
00:33:49
has been good
00:33:51
yeah yeah yeah yeah I haven't
00:33:53
had any issues there yeah oh that's
00:33:56
great yeah
00:33:57
you mean the high performance
00:34:00
um environment I don't know I I yeah
00:34:03
that's just something I bring up with
00:34:04
everyone on the podcast high performance
00:34:06
environment is high pressure yeah but
00:34:08
and Trust on being an individual sport
00:34:11
the pressure's you know is what you what
00:34:15
you bring to yourself it's not it's not
00:34:17
someone telling you you know you have to
00:34:20
perform otherwise you're going to be
00:34:21
kicked off the team there's not really a
00:34:22
team it's you perform yeah if you don't
00:34:25
perform obviously you're not good enough
00:34:26
to be doing those races there are like
00:34:29
there are tiers of races so there's the
00:34:32
world Triathlon series the world Champs
00:34:34
and then well all the Olympics above
00:34:37
that but then
00:34:39
under that there's the World Cups and
00:34:40
the international points races and the
00:34:43
New Zealand series races so
00:34:45
yeah Triathlon you can you can still be
00:34:48
really competitive but you can just be
00:34:49
competitive in the lower
00:34:51
events yeah and I suppose you've got to
00:34:54
sort of drive yourself in a way hey push
00:34:57
yourself out the door to do the training
00:34:59
and do the necessary work yeah but
00:35:01
there's some sometimes I don't
00:35:03
understand some people that they think
00:35:04
that they like they can skip the lower
00:35:07
level events so they want to just race
00:35:09
it against the best in the world right
00:35:11
they haven't done the whole steps to get
00:35:14
all the steps to get there and that's
00:35:16
sometimes that's why you know injuries
00:35:19
happen or people push themselves too
00:35:20
hard
00:35:21
and all people want to get there too
00:35:22
fast but then saying that Hayden world
00:35:24
is either huge
00:35:26
huge like he just went from
00:35:30
from um yeah racing the local events and
00:35:33
in age group events actually started and
00:35:35
then Olympic medals so yeah so Hayden
00:35:38
wild exception he's a superb Runner so
00:35:41
then I suppose he just had to work on
00:35:43
the cycling and and swimming and I feel
00:35:46
like it's probably like that for uh I
00:35:48
mean like Lance Armstrong you know the
00:35:50
cyclist so he used to do Triathlon and I
00:35:52
suppose he was just like exceptional on
00:35:54
the bike and not so good in the swim in
00:35:55
the run so he sort of gravitated towards
00:35:57
cycling
00:35:58
um but how did it how did it work for
00:35:59
you like what you know were you were you
00:36:01
a very good swimmer yeah at the
00:36:03
beginning I was at the front on the swim
00:36:04
and all the other in every event so yeah
00:36:07
I started off as a swimmer who could
00:36:09
bike and then sometimes I could run what
00:36:12
do you mean sometimes you could run well
00:36:14
to win the world champion so they ran
00:36:16
like 36 of edits five fans for ten
00:36:18
thousand for ten yeah
00:36:20
and now well I would say I could run
00:36:23
under 34 33 minutes huh wow so I
00:36:28
actually that's why I'm swimming at the
00:36:30
moment when I say I'm not making the
00:36:32
front pick the swimming is my weakness
00:36:34
now so I've turned it around
00:36:37
yeah exactly so from from being from
00:36:41
training for Triathlon of course you
00:36:43
have to be the fastest runner to win the
00:36:45
race and so I trained a lot on the run
00:36:48
my body composition Everything's changed
00:36:50
probably look more like a runner now
00:36:51
than a swimmer so lost my shoulders and
00:36:55
lost a bit of strength because what
00:36:58
um
00:36:58
what what time do most people do on the
00:37:01
Run for the like you say you do 34. like
00:37:04
can you make up places on the run if you
00:37:05
have a [ __ ] time on the bike and you're
00:37:07
not in that first group is there a
00:37:09
chance that you can pull people back in
00:37:10
or no yeah yeah it depends how big the
00:37:13
groups are but the couple of games
00:37:14
there's probably going to be
00:37:17
like 20 something in the race so that's
00:37:19
why if you're not in a group of cyclists
00:37:22
if you're with you know one or two
00:37:24
others it's a lot harder than being in
00:37:26
the front Group which was probably going
00:37:28
to be 10 or so yeah well I've got a
00:37:30
bigger script I I did a um a 10K time
00:37:33
trial last Friday and I did um 39
00:37:35
minutes 47 seconds which I was going sub
00:37:38
40 I was very very stoked about so
00:37:40
you're you're peeling off like I'm under
00:37:42
three and a half minute case
00:37:44
yeah three yes three twenty something
00:37:47
case that is flying and you're you're
00:37:49
tiny
00:37:53
that's your height
00:37:55
10 meter sixty one meter 60. look at
00:37:57
tiny little leaves short little legs
00:37:59
yeah they go how do you go so damn quick
00:38:02
that's insane they just have a big
00:38:04
Cadence
00:38:06
yeah yeah yeah unbelievable
00:38:11
um well no that's remarkable
00:38:14
yeah
00:38:15
um
00:38:17
I just can't I I'm like a major 94. I
00:38:20
got very very long very tall legs
00:38:24
there's all shapes and sizes and
00:38:26
Triathlon so yeah there's there are some
00:38:28
really chill lanky fast Runners yeah and
00:38:32
then a lot of little small
00:38:34
um and are you gonna get a um a break
00:38:36
over there after competition yeah we
00:38:38
plan on having a two-week break after
00:38:40
the come game so a bit of a holiday over
00:38:42
in Europe yeah cool whereabouts
00:38:44
uh we'll from Birmingham we'll go down
00:38:46
to London make our way to Paris down the
00:38:49
south of Paris and see some friends and
00:38:52
then Dubai on the way home to see my
00:38:54
sister oh how good how good and it only
00:38:57
has to give back to reality and start
00:38:58
working yeah what's what's the job when
00:39:01
you start working
00:39:03
of course I thought oh rich guy
00:39:08
and and what about you like What's um
00:39:11
life gonna look like um post Triathlon
00:39:13
you've got a degree right a bachelor in
00:39:15
economics yeah Bachelor of Commerce
00:39:18
um honestly I have an idea
00:39:21
um what can you do with that degree
00:39:23
probably nothing
00:39:28
oh
00:39:29
I think the hard thing is after having
00:39:32
like the fabulous and remarkable and
00:39:36
decorated career that you've had and and
00:39:38
a high performance sport is finding
00:39:40
something that's going to spin your
00:39:41
wheels you know something that you're
00:39:42
passionate about and into do you reckon
00:39:45
yeah yeah something that just doesn't
00:39:47
feel like a like a grind or a job
00:39:50
yeah I don't really know what that feels
00:39:51
like so yeah what about coaching or
00:39:54
something or would you want to remain in
00:39:55
the sport or
00:39:57
um I
00:39:58
don't think I'd make a very good coach
00:39:59
oh they said I don't have you don't
00:40:01
think no why well the way that I train
00:40:05
it's not
00:40:07
uh I guess it's not free
00:40:15
all right yeah are you you're saying
00:40:17
that yeah I mean tell them
00:40:22
right the mentality I don't know I don't
00:40:25
think I've got the mentality to start
00:40:26
someone right to build I guess but then
00:40:31
you your your ex he was he was a very
00:40:33
good triathlete and a very good coach
00:40:35
yeah I know yeah yeah so you could
00:40:39
um I'd also I don't think that I'd want
00:40:41
to go straight into just yeah Triathlon
00:40:44
coaching I I'll definitely I'll
00:40:46
definitely go into some sort of coaching
00:40:48
maybe with flossy and
00:40:50
her schoolmates or something like that
00:40:52
lower level yeah but I think to like
00:40:56
because I was in the late athlete if I
00:40:58
want to coach if like if I go straight
00:41:01
into coaching people probably think I
00:41:02
want to coach Elites right and go
00:41:04
straight into that and I don't think
00:41:05
I've learned enough of the lower right
00:41:08
okay you need to like you do you do your
00:41:10
ten thousand hours or do your draft or
00:41:12
whatever and yeah for sure for sure
00:41:15
um what about
00:41:16
um doing longer distances yourself there
00:41:19
was yeah how old were you in um Evan and
00:41:23
Hamish for this first and second at the
00:41:24
Olympics do you remember that I remember
00:41:27
that we're competing then no that was
00:41:28
before I started so that's how when I
00:41:31
got onto the sport there was so much
00:41:32
funding that's how we got over to Europe
00:41:34
and there were like I think there were
00:41:36
36 of us in France in 2006 just off the
00:41:39
back of them they did amazing for the
00:41:42
sport um
00:41:43
so did that sort of inspire you to get
00:41:45
into Triathlon in a way or no not really
00:41:49
no I didn't I never thought of it like
00:41:52
that it was really cool it was really
00:41:54
cool that I got gold and silver but when
00:41:55
I said Triathlon I didn't think I was
00:41:57
going to go the Olympics yes it wasn't
00:41:58
well I thought oh is that right just
00:42:00
wasn't even on your sort of radar
00:42:03
when did you realize that you were you
00:42:05
you know you you were like Olympic
00:42:06
potential
00:42:07
I guess when I went to the world Champs
00:42:10
it was in September in 2005. it was my
00:42:13
fourth Olympic distance Triathlon and I
00:42:15
got well I got first I won the under-23
00:42:18
world Champs and then my coach John
00:42:20
hallerman's was like you should go to
00:42:22
the com games Trail I think it was in
00:42:24
six weeks after that so
00:42:26
when I made the common games team I
00:42:28
think that was like a big surprise I had
00:42:31
to stop I was working at a surf shop
00:42:33
back then alrights of stuff work and I
00:42:35
was like I don't think I can work
00:42:36
anymore I've got to go overseas for
00:42:38
seven weeks
00:42:39
is that what you see when you see
00:42:41
goodbye
00:42:44
what was is that the only job you've had
00:42:47
uh I was a lifeguard yeah that was nice
00:42:51
that's not a real job it was a six week
00:42:54
job over summer like a paid job yeah
00:42:57
paid guard it was called right but I was
00:43:00
16 17. and yeah then social that was I
00:43:03
did you I finished University and I mean
00:43:05
that was my job through University right
00:43:08
wow what was the surf shop it was called
00:43:12
um Euphoria Euphoria of course it was
00:43:14
it's a massive shop name either oh no
00:43:17
the reason I brought up um uh the Biven
00:43:19
and Hamish thing before because when
00:43:20
when Bevan stopped doing uh like Olympic
00:43:22
distance Triathlon I I think one the
00:43:26
taupo Iron Man yeah yeah would you be
00:43:28
Keen to try a longer distance well
00:43:29
that's the thing you have to go on the
00:43:30
time travel back it's more
00:43:33
it's more of a cyclist based event you
00:43:36
have to bike 180k like pretty much
00:43:38
around taupo isn't it yeah like
00:43:40
backwards and forwards down this Rural
00:43:42
Road yeah it looks like a punishing
00:43:43
course but I mean you know I probably
00:43:46
could be good at it I don't know no I
00:43:49
just never thought of doing it yeah
00:43:50
would you would you want to keep um
00:43:53
keep them competing at some level even
00:43:55
when you're you're no longer running 34
00:43:57
minutes for 10 000 meters do you know
00:43:59
what I mean you can't be involved in the
00:44:00
sport or is it one of those things where
00:44:01
you just wouldn't you know it's either
00:44:03
top level or nothing
00:44:06
I don't know I haven't thought about
00:44:07
that either because when I started sorry
00:44:09
to think about it so many questions so
00:44:12
when I started
00:44:13
um doing the cross countries last year
00:44:15
so I had flossy and
00:44:17
February and then in May I was running
00:44:19
the cross countries and at the beginning
00:44:21
just didn't feel right like I wasn't fit
00:44:23
enough but I knew that I could go faster
00:44:25
but I just wasn't pushing it was
00:44:27
probably one of those things that I
00:44:29
thought if I pushed I might get injured
00:44:30
or
00:44:31
and I hurt myself so I didn't and then
00:44:34
each race just got better and you know
00:44:36
the feeling came back and then I thought
00:44:39
yeah actually I can run fast again yeah
00:44:41
yeah how good how good all right your
00:44:44
husband's just left the room how many
00:44:46
kids do you want
00:44:49
does it do you want a big family no just
00:44:52
have well
00:44:54
is there one or two more right
00:44:58
and why not why not if you can it's like
00:45:00
your great parents yeah do you love it
00:45:02
you enjoying being a mum yeah yeah I
00:45:04
love it yeah I think Ollie's growing
00:45:06
into it he said he wasn't ready at the
00:45:09
beginning yeah you never rather are you
00:45:12
no um if we had a cesarean well any any
00:45:15
particular reason for that or was it
00:45:17
just a yeah there were complications
00:45:19
heart rate started going
00:45:22
get it going higher and higher and then
00:45:24
the contractions were like three and a
00:45:26
half minutes and they said that wasn't
00:45:27
normal so
00:45:28
she's with it with her heart rate was
00:45:30
that like triggering a few in any way
00:45:33
I was already in labor so it was already
00:45:36
painful right
00:45:37
right well yeah yeah how was the birth
00:45:39
experience for you I I'm guessing you've
00:45:41
got a you know you ran you fell off the
00:45:43
bike and you ran 10ks at a very good
00:45:45
time with a broken collarbone I'm
00:45:47
guessing you've got a huge pain
00:45:48
threshold yeah
00:45:50
this is only laughing at me because he
00:45:52
bought me sushi home and as soon as I
00:45:55
ate it I threw it up and then then I
00:45:58
started like shaking and I was like I
00:46:00
think I'm in labor but I don't know I
00:46:02
don't know and he goes you're in labor
00:46:04
you're definitely in labor we're going
00:46:06
to the hospital
00:46:09
you think you're in labor what do you
00:46:11
mean well it was like well because they
00:46:13
keep telling you you know it's got
00:46:14
you've got to have contractions three
00:46:16
within 10 minutes and the contractions
00:46:19
weren't regular they were all over the
00:46:20
place and I was in pain but I didn't
00:46:23
know there was Labor pain I was like
00:46:24
shaking and right right so were you in
00:46:28
pain or was it just was it manageable
00:46:30
well for me it was manageable it's like
00:46:35
yes you're an ice queen
00:46:40
unbelievable hey um that's been so nice
00:46:43
sitting down and chatting with you you
00:46:45
know absolutely like kind of the sport
00:46:47
of triathlon in New Zealand it's going
00:46:48
to be um it's gonna be a weird scene
00:46:50
when you finally decide to
00:46:52
hang up the hang up the helmet or
00:46:54
whatever you whatever you do
00:46:55
yeah it's probably more weird for me
00:46:58
like coming back and you know having a
00:47:00
whole group of younger younger people
00:47:02
around me I think there's the other
00:47:04
girls on the team that are 20.
00:47:06
325 years old so sometimes it's a bit
00:47:09
weird for me as well yeah you must feel
00:47:12
like an Auntie or something yeah to
00:47:13
still be here but I can definitely still
00:47:16
compete against them so that's why I'm
00:47:17
still here yeah yeah absolutely you can
00:47:20
that's why you're going to be
00:47:21
Commonwealth Games
00:47:22
yeah or hey Beast of luck over there
00:47:26
how good would it be to see you on that
00:47:27
Podium yeah
00:47:29
no pressure no pressure but another
00:47:31
middle for the hallway here would be
00:47:32
nice wouldn't it yeah that'd be that'd
00:47:35
be the icing on the cake yeah all right
00:47:36
Andrea Hansen formerly Hewitt thank you
00:47:40
very much for your time today thank you
00:47:41
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00:47:43
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00:47:45
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00:47:47
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