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The Truth About Once Were Warriors

January 25, 202601:58:41

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>> Tim Morrison, welcome to my podcast.

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>> Very nice to be here, Don. What's taken

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you so long to get me on your show?

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>> It's not

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>> Don't you know me anymore?

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>> Not through lack of trying. I actually

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You might be able to see this on screen

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if you're watching the podcast. The blue

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is my messages and the the occasional

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gray ones are Tim's replies.

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>> Yes. Out of the country. out of the

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country, bro. Call me when I call you

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when I get back.

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>> Unbelievable. So,

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>> out of the country at the moment. Call

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you when I get back.

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>> December 2023. I'm like, "Hey,

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>> 2023,

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>> two years ago, come on my podcast. You

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got" and you replied, "Just got back

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from overseas." And I'm like, "Oh,

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that's cool." You're like, "Now, no

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good. Maybe next week."

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>> And then I keep asking and then then

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you'll reply something like, "Um, uh,

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>> chur sounds good."

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>> Churbo sounds good. I'm there. I'm

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there. But anyway, it's taken that long.

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23, man.

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>> Perseverance.

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>> That's what life's about.

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>> You do.

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>> Perseverance.

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>> You don't really like um talking about

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yourself, do you?

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>> No, I don't even watch a movie. I

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haven't even got a movie that I've been

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in to watch. I haven't even got anything

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about anything that I've done.

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>> Oh, what do you mean? You You do the

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work and then you don't watch it back or

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>> I might go to the premiere and watch it

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then and that's about it. But yeah, I

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just don't like talking about myself

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even though I'm a Morrison and uh and a

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tera from not but yeah maybe I'm just

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the exception and um I don't know I just

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feel vulnerable in these situations. So

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I was dodging you for a little bit. I

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was dodging you for a little bit but

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perseverance I must say but you hung in

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there and I'm I I feel good now that I

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I'm here.

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>> Have you done any other podcasts? one

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for Winnie the Pooh. His name's Jim

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Cummings. He's the famous voice of

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Winnie the Pooh. That's the only other

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one I've done. And I was feeling guilty

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when I was doing it. I was thinking of

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you. I was thinking, "Dee, I hope Dom

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doesn't see this. Hope Dom doesn't see

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this cuz he's he's still waiting for

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me." So, that's the only one I've done.

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And all the other ones that have been

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asking, I said, "Sorry, I've got to do

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Dom's first. Dom's my man." So, it's

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there's going to be a big weight of my

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shoulder after this uh this podcast, but

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congratulations to you for persevering

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and we go way back to the time of the

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edge of course and you were always

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respectful and got me in no matter what

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I was doing. There probably a movie I

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promoting or a TV show I'm promoting.

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So, yeah, I just did that again this

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morning. So, was strange not to see you

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in those big buildings over there, you

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know, where all the radio stations,

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they're all together now. So, I've been

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going around this morning promoting my

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new project which is called Earth Oven.

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>> Should I just interview myself?

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>> This is This is how I got you in here

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today. Reagan the publicist. I She's

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like, "Would you have Tim on your

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podcast?" And I was like, "What do I

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have Tim on my podcast? I've sent him

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like 30 messages in the last 3 years."

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>> Yeah, I knew I knew that. That came up.

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I said, "Yep, let's do doss. Let's do I

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got to do

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>> Thank you. Earth." Yeah. It's my new TV

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show. Uh the idea come about from the

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High Mama Productions. The producers

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thought, "What a great idea. Let's go

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around the world, see who else see the

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hi, the earth oven way of cooking." So

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um then they gave the idea to Mike

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Jonathan who's very good. Uh I've known

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Mike for a long time. He just directed

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Kafonu,

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the the film. Um and it received very

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well too by the way. and um he also did

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my other TV shows and he's he used to do

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all my auditions as well when I was

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trying to get a job in Hollywood. So I

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have a wonderful relationship. So he

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approached me and said hey want to be

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our front guy for um for this earth of

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an idea and then yeah so we made six

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episodes.

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Um

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very good great great job going around

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the world eating hungi and finding out a

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little bit more. But this one did quite

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a cultural show too. It's um

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>> and it's quite different for me too cuz

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I actually had to be myself. Normally

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I'm in the business and you know there's

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kind of

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>> u characters for example to you can sort

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of hide behind and you don't really show

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yourself out there but this one was

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totally totally me out there trying to

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be a funny fellow and just working with

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the local people. I went to Mexico

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Cancun they call it the peeb there the

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earth oven there went to a place called

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Chiloy. It's an island just of Santiago.

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went to Australia, did an Aboriginal one

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they call the Bangar. Went to Jordan in

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the desert, Wadi Ram Deserts. Um, this

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by Akaba there. They do one in the in

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the sand. Uh, Hawaii, of course, we put

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a pig in the in the emu. They call it

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the emu there. So, yes, spectacular. A

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lot of it is um

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um not so much about the eating but more

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about the sharing of culture, sharing of

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ideas, seeing some of the similarities

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and some of the the way they go about

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things. And but you know, I did learn

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that um no matter where I was, it was

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family, family, food,

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you know,

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>> and the people element, you know, we're

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just all the same people really on this

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planet. And uh we love being around

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family. They talk about the food taking

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the time out. So it was a wonderful

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experience and I would always get kind

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of emotional

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you know the show we crescendo to the hi

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coming out you know revealing the food

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you know but that's only just quite a

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small part of it after the after you

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know while the fire's burning I go out

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and sort of do some activities find out

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more about the culture go to some

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spectacular places have a look around

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there. So very colorful, uh, quite funny

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at times. Had a great crew to work with.

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We got some great visuals, especially

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the one in Jordan just looks spectacular

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cuz, you know, I'm out there in the in

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the desert with the camels and

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everything. So great little warm show.

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It's a very warm warm fuzzy feeling you

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get after watching an episode. Well,

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that's the desire, the hope anyway. But

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brilliant,

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>> wonderful experience

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>> and it's on Neon. Um, and the good thing

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about

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>> they're all on Neon. Actually, the whole

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six have been downloaded on Neon. So,

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you can watch all of them or you can go

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to Sky Open

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>> uh once a week every Wednesday 8:30 on

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Sky Open. Sky go I think might be the

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other one.

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>> Well, the good the good thing is about

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streaming now and also podcast. Someone

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can listen to this anytime maybe a year

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from now, two years from now and it'll

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still be available to watch on Neon.

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>> I'm thinking of doing my own podcast

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show. Take a lesson from you Dom. You

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know this acting I'm getting a bit, you

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know, the memory's fading a little bit.

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So, I might do a Tim's podcast. You

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should. You should.

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>> What's it like? All good.

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>> Yeah, it's I I love it. I love it. I get

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to sit down and have these long form

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conversations with really really

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>> They're not like radio interviews, are

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they? Quite in in depth stuff.

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>> Yeah. There's no there's no hurry.

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There's no rush.

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>> That's right. Yeah.

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>> Who has been the best on your podcast?

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Who's the one that's really stood out

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for you that moved you in a way?

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>> Oh, that was this woman um Tracy Hickman

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who I had on the podcast last year. not

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not a famous person, but she had

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terminal cancer and she um chose to die

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with the youth in Asia that's available

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in New Zealand now. Um so she was just

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sharing her experience about that like

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about two weeks before the date where

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she was going to die and it was just um

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an incredibly powerful episode

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>> [ __ ] sad

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>> when they're facing facing you know

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>> like really really in the face. Yeah.

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Yeah, I had a guy on earlier this year

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too called Tamil Tamil Aduju who's a

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Muslim man from originally from Turkey,

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now lives in Christ Church and he was

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shot nine times in the mosque

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>> on March 15 and lived.

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>> Yeah. So,

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>> it would be great if we could talk to

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them on the other side,

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>> huh? You know,

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>> figure that one out and we'll get the

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ratings. We'll get the ratings.

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>> I've I've got to This is very exciting.

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There's There's so much to cover with

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you.

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>> There's Okay, we better get going then,

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buddy. You You made some notes. I'm very

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impressed. I have lots of lots of notes.

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>> Those notes from 2023. Okay.

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>> The difficult thing with doing even a

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long form podcast with someone like you

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is deciding what to leave in and what to

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leave out. Yes.

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>> Um because um it's been such a full

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life.

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>> Well, I tried to live life.

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>> That's what key order actually means.

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Kia order means order is the word we use

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for live life. Living kia order. But the

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kia makes it to

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>> live life. I'm saying kod. Hello. Thank

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you kor. But I'm saying live

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>> the life. You got to live it. You got to

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live it. Okay. I've got a thing here

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that I'm going to share with you at the

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end. One of my what do you call them

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like their little mantra or your little

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uh quotes or little saying. But we'll do

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that one at the end. I make sure I can

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source it.

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>> Worth sticking around.

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>> But yes, I've had a full life. Thanks,

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Dom. And um I think I've just been one

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of those guys too that um I always like

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to try something you know and by the

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doing of it you the process by going

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through the doing you find out if you

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really like it or not. I did radio,

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>> you know, I didn't know what I was doing

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in first, but you know, I just started

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to learn about how to work the the the

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panel and all of that first and then I

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really enjoyed radio. It was instant.

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And then I even tried reporting and

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researching and television New Zealand

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back in the days. They had

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>> Didn't you do a journalism course?

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>> Yep, I did a journalism course. That's

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what led to um my job at TVNZ as a

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reporter researcher for programs like

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Waka Hoya and we had another program

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called Kohaa back in the day. Actually,

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Koha was the last film I was the last

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program on television that used film,

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you know, before digital came along. So,

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I I worked on that program up and with

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Ernie Leonard and all those people up at

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the Maldi department and TVNZ. Great

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job, actually. I really enjoyed it. And

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I loved uh there was another job I had

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for Wakahya researching. So I would get

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to drive the the car and go around the

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country and talk to some of the uh the

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wise people

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>> and um then try and jack them up at time

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so we can get a crew down to record. At

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that time when we were working in the

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Maldi department, they wanted to to film

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as many native speakers of our language

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of Maldi Tel and try and record as much

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as we could well you know with the ones

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that were still alive. So I really

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enjoyed that too going around

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>> sometimes. Um

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sometimes I had to go ahead of the

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people and um I had this boss called

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Horna who was a Reverend Reverend Horna.

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He was my boss. He turned up in Wonganui

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once. He goes, "Tim, who have you got

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who have you got me to talk to?" Uh

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well, I haven't found anybody. Haven't

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found anybody. But I found the pub. I

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found the public bar and I found a boil

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up. We'll start there.

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He wasn't impressed. He wasn't

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impressed. But at the pub there were all

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the people you could talk to and they

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knew everyone to talk to. So it was

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good. Then he got a boil up as well. So

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I knew to go to the local pub, local

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public bar, talk to the people in there,

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find out who were the elders in the

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area.

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>> Just few shortcuts that I learned. Yeah.

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Very clever clever researcher. I was

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>> I saw an interview with Russell Crow the

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other day. Do you know Russell Crow at

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all or very well?

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>> I spoken to him on the phone.

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>> Right. That's it. briefly

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>> about a movie, but he never got back to

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me.

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>> Now you know what it feels like.

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>> He never got back to me.

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>> So he he's 61. You're 65. Um

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>> let's not go there. We still want the

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young roles.

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>> A quote from Russell Crow. He said, um,

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as you get older, the roles shrink. I'm

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61. To be as employable as I am is still

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a big surprise. So what what do you

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think is the key for longevity

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>> in our business?

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>> Yeah. Well, you you're you're the same

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as um Russell Crow in a lot of respects.

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and that you're still highly employable.

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>> Well, try keeping your faculties

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together. That'll be your number one.

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And your good looks probably. Uh health.

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I think health and fitness comes into

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play a lot of it because you know um

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wear and tear a at our age now. But um

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I think it's timing too. It's just

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timing. I've been blessed. Um something

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always comes along. just something

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always comes along right at the right

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when you just think I got to find a real

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job, the phone will ring again. So, um

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um

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>> you did sort of have a career there was

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would it be fair to say there was a

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career slump?

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>> Oh, yeah. My my bloody whole career has

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been a big slump sometimes, but rubbish.

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>> But it picks up again.

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>> No, there are times where you sort of

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just I remember going talking about my

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buddy Mike earlier. I'd be going to have

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Bro, I got a job. Got a job. Shoot my

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video. Shoot my video. And then I'll

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send it off, you know, really wanting to

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work over there. But um that's

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those are all um

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you know, you don't get every audition,

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that's for sure. So um

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just just persevered. I think I just

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persevered and then just something would

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come along right at the right time.

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Um,

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I think it's just had a, you know, once

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you decide to work out there in the real

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world with no kind of salary, you kind

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of choose that lifestyle. So, it's

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always uncertain.

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But, yeah, just carry on, I think,

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carried on, I think.

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>> When I first went to um

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when I first went to Hollywood, it was

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once we're warriors. It was once we're

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warriors that really helped that

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journey, you know, that movie. So, so

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that shook shook it up and then and then

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and then people see that and people in

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the industry see that. So, you get a bit

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of um

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>> momentum

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>> momentum or playback see like Russell,

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let's go back to Russell, let's say. I

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think he did a movie called Rompa

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Stomper.

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>> Yeah, the skin one.

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>> Yeah, the skinny head one. But then he

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got noticed, right? You look at uh movie

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like Bended Like Beckham, you know,

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little lowbudget film about a girls

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playing soccer and then she gets noticed

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next minute you see her in the film like

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The Full Monty, another movie that was

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uh small, lowbudget, but then you see

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them in the Hollywood movies

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>> like Slum Dog Millionaire. Now you see

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him, he's directing and and acting and

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everything now. So, so that is really

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important if you want to work in

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Hollywood having that movie to to open

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the door, you know, and then it and then

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a kind of you're in flavor for for a

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while for a little bit and then someone

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else's movie comes out and then it's

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their turn to do the circuit. I had a

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good one though. I had a very good run.

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You know, I remember once we were always

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then I did Barbwa with Pamela Anderson

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and uh it wasn't the like uh my agent in

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LA wasn't very happy about me doing that

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and my agent in New Zealand I just

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thought oh I just want to go to

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Hollywood just say I've been to

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Hollywood you know just do one movie and

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that's all I was thinking really. So I

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said yes to Barbwire. Apparently

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Pamela's making a bit of a comeback

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these days too. They might even do a

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barb wire TV show re soon. But anyway,

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>> and then uh that's how it started.

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>> Barbwire and then a few other things

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after that. Things like speed two, six

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days, seven nights had a bit of a roll

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actually, a roll effect, roll on effect

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and then it dies down a bit.

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>> Dies down a bit. You really got to be

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>> doing those performances that shake them

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up a little bit, shake the room up a

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little bit. So after the movie they kind

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of and it's hard to find those ones

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though you know those kind of movies you

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know like Warriors very rarely come

00:16:08

around but

00:16:10

there's um yeah well I mean there was so

00:16:13

much in that answer and I'm like that's

00:16:15

right we got to talk about that we got

00:16:16

to talk about there's there's so much to

00:16:18

unpack when when people come up to you

00:16:19

now what do they what do they if there

00:16:21

was a Tim Morrison bingo card what is it

00:16:23

the Guatemala line the eggs line the

00:16:25

Jedi line what what do they want you to

00:16:28

say on video a few of them.

00:16:30

>> Um,

00:16:33

sometimes they want Boba Fett to say uh

00:16:36

answer their telephone, you know, and

00:16:40

say, "Can you see Boba Fett here? Uh,

00:16:44

Lionel's uh engaged at the moment. Call

00:16:47

him back later or something." And he

00:16:48

just want silly things like that. Or

00:16:50

cook me some eggs. Yeah, I got that one,

00:16:52

too. You're not in Guatemala now. It's

00:16:54

funny how I ended up with all these

00:16:55

>> Yeah, you didn't even say that line

00:16:57

sayings. No. That line was said to you.

00:16:59

>> Yeah, I know. Everyone else said I was

00:17:00

standing at the lights once in Ponson

00:17:02

and I remember seeing someone in front

00:17:03

of me. They had a t-shirt on and on the

00:17:05

back it had uh

00:17:08

Dr. Oat's surgery Guatemala. I actually

00:17:12

wanted the t-shirt. I see that's cool.

00:17:14

Yeah. So, I made the t-shirt.

00:17:17

>> So, the earliest years we'll we'll start

00:17:19

there and we'll build into the story.

00:17:21

So, start with them.

00:17:22

>> So, you're born uh 1960 in Rooua. Yeah.

00:17:25

>> Earliest memories. Oh gee, I can't even

00:17:27

remember that far.

00:17:29

I just had a wonderful upbringing. Uh

00:17:32

the Morrison family was a big part of

00:17:34

the upbringing in Rodua. Um

00:17:37

>> your uncle Howard Morrison

00:17:38

>> Howard and all their kids. Uh and all

00:17:42

the my dad's sisters, their kids, the

00:17:45

Mitchells. And so one of the biggest

00:17:47

things we had when we were young was an

00:17:51

auntie and uncle called Auntie Dinner

00:17:52

and Uncle Trevor Maxwell. And they would

00:17:55

bring us all together to uh teach us how

00:17:58

to play guitar, teach us the haka, teach

00:18:01

us the girls some po, teach the uh and

00:18:05

we ended up with all my cousins, first

00:18:08

cousins, we had about 17 18 of us I

00:18:10

think in the in our group. And so that

00:18:12

was the introduction to to

00:18:14

entertainment. Um, even when our dad

00:18:16

used to get back from the hotel, um,

00:18:18

those six o'clock closing days,

00:18:21

we were always woken up to sing him and

00:18:24

his mates some songs or tunes, get up in

00:18:27

the middle of the night, sing them some

00:18:28

stuff, go back to bed again. So, it was

00:18:30

very a musical upbringing there and

00:18:33

cultural upbringing. And the family

00:18:35

always used to get together, too. Not

00:18:37

only for Uncle Howard used to call us in

00:18:39

for some of his shows. Uh we'd always do

00:18:42

some cultural elements in in our uncle's

00:18:44

show. We then we grew up a little bit

00:18:47

and more then we do some hucker. We end

00:18:48

up on the road with them a couple of

00:18:50

times. And then on my mother's side,

00:18:52

well they were from a place called

00:18:53

Hungatiki and we had a farm there and my

00:18:56

grandparents lived on the farm. It was

00:18:59

130 acres I think and he milked cows. So

00:19:03

I used to love that going back to the

00:19:04

farm getting out of Rotoda

00:19:06

>> going back and our grandfather was good

00:19:07

horseman too. So we could ride horses.

00:19:10

Uh we would go down milk the cows 4:30

00:19:13

in the morning. He take his two cream

00:19:15

cans out to the road every day. That was

00:19:18

his job. Did that hardly ever left the

00:19:20

farm. I remember I took him to

00:19:22

Oakuckland once. He wanted to go home

00:19:23

straight away. But that was a beautiful

00:19:25

upbringing there working on the farm

00:19:27

with our grandparents going eing at

00:19:29

night. Uh you know using the hoohoo bug.

00:19:32

Um

00:19:34

hard work though

00:19:36

>> pulling ragwood out. So it was a

00:19:38

beautiful kind of

00:19:40

uh you know both families big big

00:19:42

families

00:19:44

a lot of love a lot of um getting

00:19:48

together a lot of singing especially on

00:19:49

the Morrison side. So I was blessed you

00:19:51

know to get that um on both sides see my

00:19:55

granddad work so hard and learn how to

00:19:57

ride a horse and that kind of stuff. And

00:20:00

then on the other the Morrison side that

00:20:02

was more you know Uncle Howard and

00:20:04

growing up with the families there.

00:20:07

Yeah. So very blessed. Very blessed.

00:20:10

>> And you were the fifth born. Uh the

00:20:12

first son in your family. I've got a

00:20:13

photo here. That's you in the middle.

00:20:14

>> Very good. Very good. Very good photo

00:20:16

there. That's me in the middle.

00:20:17

>> You're in the middle. Yeah. And you

00:20:19

>> there eight in our family in the end.

00:20:21

>> And is it small small house? You you top

00:20:23

and tailed with some of your siblings.

00:20:24

>> Yep. Only had two bedrooms in our state

00:20:27

house. So, five of us had to sleep in

00:20:29

the same bed. Uh, two down that end,

00:20:32

three down the other end. Then my sister

00:20:34

had a tidying. She loved to tidy up. She

00:20:37

loved us. She had to get us up in the

00:20:39

middle of the night for some reason and

00:20:41

remake the bed again. So, there we all

00:20:42

standing there half asleep. But yeah,

00:20:45

and it was two wheat bricks for

00:20:46

breakfast after school, cup of tea, and

00:20:49

a runaround. That was about it.

00:20:51

>> Um, yeah. Quite humble beginnings

00:20:53

really.

00:20:54

>> Not a lot of money, but a lot of love.

00:20:55

>> A lot of love. A lot of love. extended

00:20:57

family. We hung out with them a lot too.

00:20:59

Big extended family too. That's where

00:21:01

all the love from because Uncle Al used

00:21:02

to travel around the world a lot. So my

00:21:04

cousins used to live up the road from

00:21:06

me. So I was be always up there

00:21:07

>> especially when Uncle Howard came back

00:21:09

from overseas from some always have the

00:21:12

some toys for the kids. So I'd get one

00:21:14

too every now and then. A lot of love, a

00:21:16

lot of close aunties.

00:21:17

>> And again, that's where our culture

00:21:19

started when two auntie Den and Uncle

00:21:21

Trip would practice get us practicing

00:21:23

and we would have fun too. We used to

00:21:26

watch the rugby league as well, you

00:21:27

know, when it was on late at night. Must

00:21:29

be all those English games back in the

00:21:31

day. We used to love playing slow, we

00:21:33

invented slow motion rugby league, so we

00:21:35

could play in the play in the lounge

00:21:37

without breaking all the all the

00:21:39

furniture. So we had to play slow motion

00:21:41

rugby league and then there was a lot of

00:21:44

culture too. Then that led us also to go

00:21:46

out to the to the Marai and do the

00:21:50

kapahaka too. You know, we were, you

00:21:52

know, even when I was going through the

00:21:53

boarding school, we'd go do the Kapahaka

00:21:55

competition. So, the culture was a big

00:21:57

part of my upbringing. The Kapahaka was

00:21:59

a big part of it. And that was my

00:22:01

grounding really. Kapaka gives you that

00:22:03

confidence.

00:22:05

You're breathing, you're singing about

00:22:07

your ancestors. It's like the haka.

00:22:08

You're standing there, you're stamping,

00:22:10

you know, trying to find the energy. So,

00:22:13

so I I can't say much. You know,

00:22:16

a lot of my performance, I'm lucky I was

00:22:19

grounded in my Kapahaka and that that

00:22:21

really was my theater training too in a

00:22:24

way where we'd practice our 20-minute

00:22:27

bracket and we go compete against all

00:22:29

the rest of the groups in New Zealand.

00:22:31

Sometimes we'd win, sometimes we come

00:22:33

nowhere and we're on the bus back home

00:22:34

again. But, you know, everyone gave up

00:22:35

their time, gave up their weekends to go

00:22:38

and compete. So, I really used to love

00:22:40

that. That was my buzz. M.

00:22:43

>> And then I thought, well, one day I'll

00:22:44

go to Oakland and uh try this acting

00:22:47

thing out. I think

00:22:49

>> I think my uncle started a course.

00:22:50

That's what happened.

00:22:51

>> He started a course called Spats.

00:22:54

>> That's right. This is like the New

00:22:54

Zealand version of the TV show Fame.

00:22:56

>> Exactly. That a special performing arts

00:22:59

training scheme, Spats. Uh we had Joanna

00:23:02

Joanna Paul teach us and a guy called

00:23:05

Robin Luicki and they were our teachers.

00:23:07

So there was about 20 of us, people like

00:23:10

Margaret Erlich, people like Kim

00:23:12

Willoughby, people like Jane Langaya and

00:23:14

quite a few other Annie Crumma was

00:23:16

around us then too. So

00:23:17

>> and we were being used, you know, we

00:23:19

were a group so we used to meet we had

00:23:22

to be on the dole too. So most of us

00:23:24

were on the dole and um we'd get

00:23:26

together, learn music, learn dancing,

00:23:28

learn singing.

00:23:30

>> Um

00:23:31

>> no, I believe you you had a job prior to

00:23:33

that. You work at Moldi Affairs and then

00:23:35

you had to quit your job. So you'd be on

00:23:37

the dole so you were eligible for this

00:23:39

course.

00:23:39

>> Yeah, that's right. That's right. I was

00:23:41

I actually had an office job in Rotura

00:23:44

>> in Maldi affairs and I was like placed

00:23:46

around the other government departments

00:23:48

too. I even worked in the magistrate's

00:23:49

court filing

00:23:51

just filing filing every day. Put that

00:23:53

file next to that file. Put that number

00:23:55

next to that number. I said oh my god

00:23:56

I'm sure there's better things out there

00:23:58

than filing and seeing all my relations

00:24:01

come to court anyway. Yeah, I worked in

00:24:03

the probation service for a little bit.

00:24:05

Um, yeah, that's right. Then I had to

00:24:07

get on the dole to be eligible to

00:24:09

qualify for this performing arts course.

00:24:12

And that was a big that was a big mover

00:24:13

for me too, just leaving Rodua.

00:24:16

>> Remember coming up to Oakuckland even

00:24:18

looking at the buildings go, wow, wow,

00:24:20

wow, look where we are. And I I had a

00:24:22

sister stay up here too. So I was able

00:24:23

to stay with her. Then I joined this

00:24:25

performing arts course and that was my

00:24:28

introduction to things like uh being an

00:24:30

extra

00:24:32

>> on there was a police show called

00:24:34

Mortimus Patch. I had one line on that

00:24:37

show an extra line. Um

00:24:41

there were other kind of shows that but

00:24:43

our group was being used all the time as

00:24:44

extras and TV and things like that.

00:24:47

Yeah.

00:24:49

>> One more question just going back to

00:24:51

your childhood. So your your dad Lori y

00:24:53

you lost him at the age of 14 in a car

00:24:56

crash.

00:24:56

>> Car accident. Yes.

00:24:57

>> Um

00:24:58

>> yeah. What what impact? Yeah. What are

00:25:00

your recollections of that? 14's a

00:25:02

strange time in life to to lose your

00:25:04

dad.

00:25:04

>> It's a horrible time losing your dad as

00:25:05

well and then sort of just not knowing

00:25:07

what the hell's going on here and all

00:25:09

the It was a big funeral too. I could

00:25:11

tell he was very well loved out there.

00:25:14

He was a original member of the Howard

00:25:15

Morrison quartet. Great singer too.

00:25:17

>> He was called He was like a Dean Martin

00:25:19

of New Zealand. He could sing like Dean

00:25:21

Martin now, my dad. So, so a little bit

00:25:23

of that rubbed off, I think. And he

00:25:25

always used to say when I'd be in the

00:25:27

bath or come back from rugby. Rugby was

00:25:29

another big part, too. The girls played

00:25:30

rugby. I mean, the boys played rugby and

00:25:32

the girls played netball. That's how it

00:25:35

went. So, I played rugby and rugby

00:25:37

league actually growing up.

00:25:39

>> And uh

00:25:39

>> and all the girls played net ball

00:25:42

>> and um yeah. M

00:25:46

>> and you did when your dad passed um Sir

00:25:48

Howard Morrison said something to you

00:25:50

like um your shoulders back, chin up.

00:25:53

You're the man of the house now.

00:25:54

>> I remember that.

00:25:55

>> Feels like a lot of responsibility.

00:25:56

>> Yeah. Yeah. I'll say especially in the

00:25:58

middle of the night. Up to you now, boy.

00:26:00

Look after the family. You don't really

00:26:02

know it at the time. Everyone's quite

00:26:04

emotional.

00:26:05

>> It was very emotional time for

00:26:06

everybody. So,

00:26:08

>> what what impact did that have on you

00:26:09

losing your dad at that stage of life?

00:26:11

>> Um I think we just had to get on with

00:26:13

it. I think mom was still there. So, we

00:26:15

just carried on.

00:26:16

>> I think we sort of loosened up a little

00:26:18

bit cuz dad was quite strict on us.

00:26:21

>> Um, our mom would have all of us on our

00:26:23

hand each and our hair massage so we

00:26:25

could stay up and light a bit later and

00:26:27

watch TV, one on each foot

00:26:30

massaging each, but just any excuse to

00:26:32

stay up a bit later. Then, as soon as we

00:26:34

hear the car drive in the driveway, we

00:26:36

all run into bed and pretend we're

00:26:37

asleep. Maybe that was the beginning of

00:26:39

my acting.

00:26:43

Yeah, you were you you were even though

00:26:45

you had these other jobs that you

00:26:46

alluded to before um you were destined

00:26:48

to be an actor I believe like as a as a

00:26:50

teenager you were obsessed with Young

00:26:51

and the Restless.

00:26:53

>> Yes. Yes. I used to go to Wesley College

00:26:56

and many a time we'd been racing we'd be

00:26:59

racing out of class to watch the

00:27:00

lunchtime version of uh Young and the

00:27:02

Restless

00:27:04

and then try and get back to Yeah. try

00:27:06

and get back to school work.

00:27:08

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, we used to love Young

00:27:09

and the Restless and Days of Our Lives

00:27:12

and Yeah. Funny thing at Wesley College.

00:27:15

>> Yeah.

00:27:16

>> So then um after the SPATs um you

00:27:19

special perform performing arts training

00:27:21

scheme um there's a series of jobs gloss

00:27:23

which is um iconic I think

00:27:25

>> gloss patch that you talked about

00:27:27

before. Um the piano you weren't you you

00:27:29

were involved in the piano but you

00:27:31

weren't in the piano.

00:27:32

>> No I ended up um working on the piano

00:27:34

but in the crew. Um, I was working on

00:27:37

radio at the time and I'd put the call

00:27:39

out, hey, hey, on my radio station, who

00:27:41

wants to be in the movies? Meet here,

00:27:43

blah, blah, blah. And then I had about a

00:27:45

couple hundred people turn up there,

00:27:47

probably all my listeners. So, they all

00:27:48

turned up for a part in the movie. And

00:27:50

Jane Campion turned up and she was quite

00:27:52

impressed with what I had organized.

00:27:54

>> And there was a big moldy element in the

00:27:56

in the film piano. A lot of it got cut

00:27:58

out, but

00:27:59

>> but that was fantastic. And that's when

00:28:00

I really saw uh acting, serious actors,

00:28:03

because we had Harvey Kitel out of out

00:28:06

of New York. We had Holly Hunter,

00:28:09

>> Sam Neil, very good friend of mine,

00:28:12

>> still very close, and our very own Anna

00:28:15

Pacwin. So, um,

00:28:16

>> so was just a wonderful experience to

00:28:18

sit with Jane. My job was basically,

00:28:20

boys, boys, uh, carry the piano up that

00:28:23

hill there.

00:28:25

Try not to speak English. Okay, you

00:28:27

fellas don't know any English yet.

00:28:31

Okay, boys. Lunch time. Lunch time.

00:28:33

Okay, boys. Yes. Oh, that was my job.

00:28:35

So, it was a great job. And then to

00:28:37

watch I'd always watch Harvey. Then I'd

00:28:39

watch Sam and watch Holly

00:28:42

because I was right into acting back

00:28:44

then. I said, "This is what I'm going to

00:28:45

do. I'm going to do." And then I think

00:28:46

it was probably the last few weeks of

00:28:49

the piano.

00:28:51

I got to know Sam a bit better then on

00:28:52

the piano too. He would always hang out

00:28:54

with the boys and all the extras.

00:28:56

Quite funny though, watching some of the

00:28:57

moldy boys, the extras pushing uh

00:28:59

pushing Harvey Kitel out of the shot so

00:29:01

they could get there.

00:29:03

>> Boys, boys, don't don't do that. Don't

00:29:05

do that. That's the lead. That's the

00:29:06

main actor. Don't push him out, please.

00:29:08

>> Yeah.

00:29:09

>> Yeah. Quite funny. Had some good humor

00:29:11

humorous times, too. But um

00:29:13

>> that was a great movie. Yeah. And

00:29:16

Penguin won the Oscar for that.

00:29:17

>> Yes. Yes. Yes. What a performance to

00:29:20

beautiful

00:29:21

>> beautiful young kid at the time. She's

00:29:22

just so natural. Remember, kids don't

00:29:24

act. They they just they just be

00:29:27

>> I don't know what happens to us adults

00:29:28

but she what a performance. Even Holly

00:29:30

was blamed. Remember Holly

00:29:32

>> couldn't speak in that movie. So she had

00:29:33

to do everything through looks. E

00:29:36

>> and what a performance. Did she win the

00:29:37

Oscar as well? I can't remember.

00:29:39

>> I can't remember. Yeah. And a Penguin

00:29:41

did. I'm not sure who else won Oscars

00:29:42

from that movie. Was great movie though.

00:29:44

Just such a classic. And then after

00:29:46

after that Shortland Street Shortland

00:29:47

Street.

00:29:48

>> That's right. I asked Jane after Jane I

00:29:49

have to leave a bit early. I've got a

00:29:50

job on the soap. So I'm very excited

00:29:53

about too because it's my first real

00:29:54

kind of acting acting acting job to play

00:29:57

Dr. Oath.

00:29:58

>> Yeah. And in terms of that original 19

00:30:01

1992 1992 I think it was cast of

00:30:03

shortness. I've had Michael Galvin on

00:30:04

the podcast. Carl Bernett and Martin

00:30:06

Henderson and now and now you um what

00:30:09

are your

00:30:10

>> good mates of mine we all

00:30:12

>> Carl was the young guy back then. Yeah.

00:30:14

I still have

00:30:15

>> Nick Harrison.

00:30:16

>> Nick Harrison. Yeah. I used to feel

00:30:17

sorry for him all the time but I had to

00:30:19

Dr. But I had to go stay with Nick's

00:30:20

home and I got quite close. I don't

00:30:22

know. I couldn't couldn't figure out why

00:30:24

I couldn't have my own pad, but I had to

00:30:26

go stay with Nick.

00:30:27

>> You're a doctor.

00:30:28

>> Yeah. What's wrong with this?

00:30:30

>> Well, what's what's up with my pay?

00:30:33

>> Yeah. And Galvin and all them had Flash

00:30:35

houses back to go to, but I had to go

00:30:37

board at Jen Jenny's house, wasn't it?

00:30:39

>> I don't know.

00:30:40

>> Oh, we had a lot of fun on that short

00:30:41

street. Yeah.

00:30:42

>> What What are your um Yeah. What are

00:30:43

your recollections of that time? because

00:30:45

um I remember it was panned at the time

00:30:48

when it came out. It was brutal. It was

00:30:50

savage.

00:30:50

>> They had we had the guy come over from

00:30:53

Grundy's to sort of monitor our cuz they

00:30:56

had been doing it for a while, but this

00:30:58

was the first time we had done a seven

00:31:01

seven day a week soap. So yeah. Yeah. It

00:31:04

was just it was new and yeah, we're

00:31:06

breaking we're breaking new ground

00:31:08

there. We just uh the guy from Grundy's

00:31:11

just told us to watch out when you could

00:31:12

get sent into the uh you could be sent

00:31:15

down the road to get the milk or or be

00:31:17

put in the in the you know go get the

00:31:21

something out of the locker room and you

00:31:23

mightn't come out again. So he so

00:31:26

actually I think it was the ambulance

00:31:27

driver that first

00:31:29

first got fired. So then we all go, "Oh

00:31:31

my god, we better get our better get our

00:31:33

act together otherwise we'll be fired."

00:31:35

I actually thought I was going to be

00:31:36

fired one day and um I got called to the

00:31:39

producers's office.

00:31:42

Katarina Dave was her name

00:31:45

and um she sat me down said, "Tim,

00:31:49

you're the thinking woman's bit of

00:31:51

fluff."

00:31:53

Which I still don't know what that

00:31:54

means. Keep smoldering

00:31:57

was my instructions.

00:31:59

You're the thinking woman's bit of

00:32:00

fluff. Keep smoldering. So that's when I

00:32:03

came up with the smoldering look cuz

00:32:07

if you're the actor on the last shot of

00:32:09

the last episode, well, you got to hold

00:32:11

that look cuz then the credits roll up,

00:32:14

you know, just to hold that suspense. So

00:32:16

I had to come up with the

00:32:19

smoke coming out of my ears. Look, is

00:32:22

that like your version of Blue Steel?

00:32:25

>> And what it is, Dom, is an acting trick

00:32:29

here, which I'll share with all the

00:32:30

other actors. You just pretend smoke is

00:32:33

coming out your right ear or both ears

00:32:39

and maybe pelt the lips a little bit

00:32:43

and then you hold it so they can get the

00:32:46

credits flowing.

00:32:47

>> Yeah.

00:32:47

>> Yeah. I used to love those end of

00:32:49

episode shots closeup. I used to call

00:32:53

that that's the closeup there. And down

00:32:56

here is the MCU. The Maldi closeup I

00:33:00

used to call it. It's the mid closeup,

00:33:02

but I used to call it the mai closeup.

00:33:04

>> See, you were like a sex symbol at the

00:33:05

time. Is it was this was this when you

00:33:07

were

00:33:07

>> I wouldn't say that.

00:33:08

>> But you

00:33:09

>> I was hunky sometimes. I was in the

00:33:10

magazine. Hunky. What does that word

00:33:13

mean? Hunky.

00:33:14

>> A hunk. That means Yeah, I'd say that

00:33:16

would that would make you a sex symbol

00:33:18

at the time.

00:33:19

>> Yes.

00:33:20

>> And you were was this about the time

00:33:22

>> that's when I had hair.

00:33:24

>> You had hair everywhere. You did a a

00:33:27

centerfold for Cleo magazine.

00:33:28

>> No, let's not talk about that. Yeah.

00:33:29

That was the stupidest idea of my life.

00:33:32

And what happened there was Wendle, that

00:33:34

lady Wendell who ran all the magazines,

00:33:36

>> Wendle Niss,

00:33:37

>> that's her name, she took my agent,

00:33:40

Robert the Bruce, for lunch, dinner, and

00:33:42

another lunch, I heard,

00:33:45

and managed to persuade him

00:33:48

to who persuaded me to go out there in

00:33:51

Bethl's Beach and hide my little peewee

00:33:54

behind a leaf.

00:33:57

And someone stuck it on the bloom and

00:33:59

weather report too. I think somebody was

00:34:01

doing the weather and then instead of

00:34:02

putting the map of New Zealand, they

00:34:03

stuck me up there. Oh my god. It was the

00:34:06

clear that that magazine didn't last

00:34:08

very long. Have you got a copy of it?

00:34:10

Anyway, I I I Googled it. I couldn't

00:34:12

find it online.

00:34:13

>> Thank Christ for that.

00:34:16

>> Well, do do you think back on that now?

00:34:19

Um like it may have been embarrassing at

00:34:20

the time, but um you know, you look back

00:34:22

now as a 65 year old man. Yeah. No

00:34:24

regrets about doing that surely. Well, I

00:34:26

just it happened so I can't do much

00:34:28

about it.

00:34:29

>> But at that time I was um I was on a bit

00:34:33

of a run bit of a roll too I think to

00:34:35

you know I did two three years Shortland

00:34:38

Street then once we're warriors came out

00:34:40

uh they were looking for that for Jake

00:34:43

and I was still doing um Shortland

00:34:45

Street and my boss um Paul Gittens who

00:34:50

played Dr.

00:34:50

>> McKenna

00:34:52

>> him and I used to room together out

00:34:54

there in Shortland Street. So, so,

00:34:58

so when Warriors came around

00:35:01

the audition process, I I used to

00:35:03

because Paul was very good actor, very

00:35:05

very good actor, very um well theater

00:35:09

trained as well. So, I'd always use him

00:35:12

to uh discuss my acting roles and things

00:35:15

like that. He helped me out a lot too

00:35:16

with Jake for that part of Jake because

00:35:18

we're all nervous.

00:35:20

>> I was actually originally going to play

00:35:21

Uncle Bully, I think, and then Cliff got

00:35:23

that then they called me into Read for

00:35:26

Jake. Read for Jake. So, um,

00:35:30

yeah, it's just funny how it worked out.

00:35:31

>> I got a I got a quote from you. Um, a

00:35:34

lot of people thought I didn't have what

00:35:36

it took to play Jake the M. I was one of

00:35:38

those people.

00:35:39

>> Yep. Yep. Very much so. Even Paul had

00:35:42

his wife.

00:35:43

>> Why would you Don Sin, my casting agent,

00:35:46

there was a lot of them. Well, it was

00:35:47

mainly because I was um

00:35:50

>> I didn't know what I was doing really.

00:35:51

And Jake was just, you know, I read the

00:35:54

book and I just loved the character,

00:35:55

too, but uh he he was a long way from me

00:35:58

really.

00:35:59

>> He he is you're one of the you like

00:36:01

you're you're I'd say you're a charmer

00:36:03

or even even a people pleaser to a

00:36:05

degree like uh you I've been with you in

00:36:07

social settings and you can you don't

00:36:09

need to be the center of attention. You

00:36:11

can quite happily just sort of sit there

00:36:12

and,

00:36:13

>> you know, melt into the crowd. Um but if

00:36:15

you are holding court, you're definitely

00:36:16

holding court and I can't imagine you

00:36:18

even losing your temper.

00:36:20

>> Yeah. Yeah. Now, there was one thing I

00:36:22

really had to work on. There was the

00:36:23

anger side of things, too.

00:36:26

>> I'd be driving out to Shortland Street

00:36:27

and someone would overtake me and I was

00:36:29

getting ready. That was a hard part

00:36:31

because I was still working on Shortland

00:36:32

Street. So, I couldn't really have the

00:36:34

time and clarity just to stop. I

00:36:36

actually worked on Shortland Street

00:36:39

right up to the Friday night. And I

00:36:41

actually broke the record that week

00:36:43

because I had to double up on all my

00:36:44

scenes. I did something like 54 scenes

00:36:46

in one week, which was a lot. And then I

00:36:49

literally had Saturday had a haircut

00:36:52

Saturday, Sunday some rehearsals with

00:36:55

the Rena and Monday we started rolling.

00:36:58

So I really only had that weekend, you

00:37:00

know, just to clear my mind of Dr. Roata

00:37:02

>> and then start on Warriors on the

00:37:04

Monday. But I was getting ready while I

00:37:06

was Dr. Oata

00:37:07

>> and the wardrobe ladies kept saying,

00:37:09

"Oh, you're starting to fill out your

00:37:11

doctor's coat, Tim." I was going down

00:37:12

the gym in Browns Bay just trying to put

00:37:14

on weight.

00:37:15

>> You put on like 9 kilos or something?

00:37:17

Yeah, a little bit. Mainly upper body.

00:37:18

Just had to pump out. Lucky I had

00:37:20

Robert.

00:37:21

>> We all used to train at Clive Greens

00:37:22

early in the morning and then go to

00:37:24

Shortland Street after that.

00:37:27

>> Um, Robert was in charge of that, too,

00:37:29

because I think he made a deal with Lee

00:37:30

Tomahori, uh, the wonderful director.

00:37:33

Hey, get this guy ready. So, he'd ring

00:37:36

if I wasn't in the gym, too. He'd be

00:37:37

ringing me. Where are you? Where are

00:37:38

you, bro? Get your ass down here. So,

00:37:41

yeah, it's one wonderful mornings at

00:37:43

Clive Greens putting on the weight. I

00:37:45

also worked with a guy called Lance

00:37:47

Revel. He was a good boxer,

00:37:48

>> Lance Revel. So, I based a lot of Jake

00:37:51

fighting style on Lance because we'd

00:37:53

sort of punched the bag a little bit.

00:37:56

>> Then they put me in a boxing ring. I

00:37:58

made a complete fool of myself. But

00:37:59

anyway, that was I think they wanted to

00:38:02

recast. They invited the director and

00:38:04

the producer along and then I ended up

00:38:06

getting Jakey ended up getting a big

00:38:09

hiding.

00:38:10

the the movie um yeah by all accounts

00:38:13

the the the movie everyone thought it

00:38:15

was going to be a flop like um you had

00:38:16

Lee Tamahori who was from an advertising

00:38:18

background hadn't done a movie before

00:38:20

>> movie

00:38:20

>> New Zealand Film Commission they they

00:38:22

they didn't think anyone was going to be

00:38:24

interested or watch a movie about

00:38:25

domestic violence uh you you didn't

00:38:28

think you were right for Jake the Mass

00:38:29

and no one else thought you could play

00:38:30

Jake the M

00:38:32

why did it all come together it's one of

00:38:34

the most successful

00:38:35

>> mainly Tommo the director just was just

00:38:38

knew knew his stuff all those hundred

00:38:40

commercials he made were little 30-cond

00:38:42

dramas.

00:38:43

>> So, he was looking for an urban story to

00:38:45

tell. Uh, it kind of worked out that

00:38:48

there was a company called Communicado

00:38:50

at the time, Neil Robertson, Gary Gary

00:38:53

and Robin Schulz. And I think they just

00:38:55

had a meeting one day and they said,

00:38:56

"Look, we need to branch out. We need to

00:38:58

diversify." Robin start making movies.

00:39:01

It was like that. Then someone had read

00:39:02

the book and they said, "Well, later on,

00:39:04

Robin, if you're going to make a movie,

00:39:06

read this book. Make this one." Then

00:39:08

that's how it happened. And I think she

00:39:10

went to look for Lee and Lee was looking

00:39:11

to do a urban kind of story and the book

00:39:14

was out and um yeah the rest is history

00:39:17

I guess.

00:39:18

>> Did you though to put that together just

00:39:20

his craft just the shots I don't and uh

00:39:25

if you look at a movie called Street Car

00:39:27

Named Desire old black and white film

00:39:29

Marlon Brondo

00:39:30

>> that was our model movie. So, um, Street

00:39:35

Car Named Desire, there's a guy called

00:39:37

Stanley Kowalsski, played by Brando, who

00:39:39

I got to meet many, many years later.

00:39:42

>> Um, that was the movie that we modeled

00:39:45

once we're warriors on. You know, they

00:39:47

do different things like, uh, bring the

00:39:50

roof down a little bit so I look taller,

00:39:52

you know, shoot me up this way. They

00:39:54

always had the camera down low on me,

00:39:56

looking up at me the whole time. And all

00:39:59

my shots were looking down at everybody.

00:40:01

So they made me a lot bigger. I wore big

00:40:04

boots too. I used to walk around

00:40:06

Devonport with these Demort with these

00:40:08

big boots on walking up and down the

00:40:10

road swearing my head off. People

00:40:12

thought I was crazy.

00:40:13

>> Yeah, because I mean you played the

00:40:15

character so well. You know, whenever

00:40:16

anyone hears Jake the Master, they

00:40:18

immediately picture you, I think,

00:40:19

especially in New Zealand. But in the

00:40:21

book, Jake's 6 foot something. He's got

00:40:23

giant fists like mix his hands.

00:40:25

>> That's right. In the book. Yeah.

00:40:27

>> There was one thing I was looking at,

00:40:28

too. I was looking at my hands every

00:40:29

day. I used to look at these, you know,

00:40:31

like a

00:40:33

>> your hands almost more petite than mine.

00:40:35

>> Petite, very small hands. And they used

00:40:36

to annoy me and I used to try and trying

00:40:39

to stretch them out bigger. But yeah,

00:40:40

just the description of Jake. He was a

00:40:42

big man. That's what I meant. I was

00:40:45

really too it was the the emotional

00:40:48

depth of Rena Owen that really got us

00:40:50

everybody hyped up to.

00:40:53

We really had to match her her inner

00:40:57

inner energy, her mana, her

00:41:00

those inner things that she could bring

00:41:02

to the table.

00:41:03

>> She'd be crying, all the tears be over

00:41:05

this table now. Even in the read

00:41:07

through, I'm sort of, oh my god. So

00:41:09

really,

00:41:11

and she was born to play that role for

00:41:13

some reason. There was no other to play

00:41:15

that. So,

00:41:16

>> Mhm.

00:41:17

>> So, we really had to work out just to

00:41:19

match her energy, just to match her her

00:41:21

mana, her ferocity as well. She'd soon

00:41:25

let you know too if you if you were

00:41:27

there or not.

00:41:28

>> I I I watched some of the scenes um

00:41:30

again on YouTube yesterday. Um did did

00:41:32

you ever accidentally hit her? How do

00:41:35

you how do you do those those scenes

00:41:36

without without actually hitting your

00:41:38

coaster

00:41:38

>> timing? Sometimes you hit them for real

00:41:40

if you're not getting the right. She

00:41:42

wanted to hit me a couple of times

00:41:43

because she wasn't getting the enough

00:41:45

reaction. So, so uh No, no, but Robert

00:41:48

did all our stunts. Robert Bruce um did

00:41:52

most of that stuff and uh

00:41:56

No, everyone think Yeah, I think we're

00:41:57

pretty good. She She's pretty physical

00:41:59

anyway, Rena. She's pretty physical

00:42:00

anyway. I might have slipped up a couple

00:42:02

of times, but

00:42:03

>> I always when it comes to this the

00:42:06

fighting stuff, I always just got to be

00:42:07

extra careful. That's all. It's all

00:42:08

those angles. So, yeah.

00:42:10

>> And it was just that

00:42:11

>> the ferocity of the character and the

00:42:13

way he sort of

00:42:14

>> um that's what I was trying to work on,

00:42:17

you know, when the guy walks in the

00:42:18

room,

00:42:19

>> you know, he's I wanted everyone just to

00:42:21

go,

00:42:23

>> you know, gez ge,

00:42:25

we don't know what he's going to do. Is

00:42:26

he going to slap her again? Is he going

00:42:28

to have a beer? Is he just going to walk

00:42:29

out? Is he going to tell a joke? So, I

00:42:31

just wanted to keep that kind of thing

00:42:33

there. And then um one day I was on an

00:42:36

airplane and the woman's refuge lady

00:42:38

saying you know your movie it inspired a

00:42:41

lot of women to ring us and was at that

00:42:43

time too. I was saying well gee that's a

00:42:44

good thing then if they could say hey my

00:42:47

life's like that

00:42:48

>> like that lady in the movie I want to do

00:42:50

something about it. So some positivity

00:42:53

come about it in that it opened

00:42:54

everybody up to

00:42:56

>> the discussion

00:42:58

>> to the discussion and all these things

00:43:00

that are

00:43:01

>> people sort of hide under the carpet and

00:43:03

surprising how many carpets there how

00:43:05

many houses that we're putting up with a

00:43:07

lot of that

00:43:08

>> and you're not you're not a method actor

00:43:10

like a Daniel D Lewis or something like

00:43:12

you just do the do the scene and when

00:43:13

the director says cut you stop. Um how

00:43:16

do you how do you do that with a

00:43:17

character like Jake? Like how do you how

00:43:18

do you

00:43:18

>> Jake was a bit different. And I sort of

00:43:20

hung in there for most of the time. Kept

00:43:21

my I know Daniel Day and them uh Lewis

00:43:24

and them just a phenomenal actor.

00:43:26

>> But they're in there the whole total

00:43:28

total day in day out day in day out. I

00:43:31

kind of get wears off after a little

00:43:33

bit. But for that one there, Jacob or

00:43:34

less did the method for that guy. I hung

00:43:37

in there. Just went to work. Went home

00:43:39

again. Just went to work. I got my mom

00:43:42

up to cook for me so I could put on some

00:43:43

weight and eat a lot. And uh but just up

00:43:47

here I had to keep keep him in there. I

00:43:49

wouldn't um I wouldn't stay late after

00:43:52

work. I just go straight home until

00:43:53

probably the last week I started to

00:43:55

relax a little bit. But it was a quite a

00:43:58

quick turnaround. It's only a fiveweek

00:43:59

shoot that movie. Just very quick turn

00:44:01

around.

00:44:01

>> Did Did it [ __ ] you up psychologically

00:44:03

at all?

00:44:03

>> Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Always go

00:44:05

through that because you want to be a

00:44:06

good actor. You want to make everyone

00:44:07

believe that's what you want to do.

00:44:09

That's what we're there for. We got to

00:44:11

make everyone believe that this is

00:44:12

happening.

00:44:13

>> It was tough on me cuz I had to rough up

00:44:15

the young girl at the time too, Anita.

00:44:18

at all who played Grace.

00:44:20

>> Yeah, there was a lot of me in there

00:44:22

literally yelling and screaming and

00:44:24

shaking her up physically. Lee would get

00:44:26

me to shake her up before and then we'd

00:44:29

roll the camera, roll the camera and

00:44:31

I'll just abuse her physically, slap her

00:44:33

around physically, hit her for real,

00:44:35

shake her up and then throw her in front

00:44:37

of the camera. Camera's rolling, go.

00:44:39

And then I remember about a couple of

00:44:41

weeks into it, I'm sort of yelling and

00:44:42

screaming and I could just tell the look

00:44:43

on her face it wasn't

00:44:46

I think she had worn off all my abuse

00:44:48

that kind of she kind of got used to it

00:44:50

and I could tell by the look on her eyes

00:44:52

she go and I said this is not working

00:44:55

anymore. Hey darling. No. Okay. Well, go

00:44:58

over there and do some acting now.

00:45:00

But yeah, that's what the director was

00:45:02

getting us. Even with Lee's direct, all

00:45:05

I just hear WAS THIS VICIOUS VICIOUS

00:45:07

VICIOUS VICIOUS ACTION. They'd be

00:45:10

yelling at me off off camera there.

00:45:13

>> Just just getting everyone just riled

00:45:16

up. Riley up. There's a big scene in the

00:45:17

pub when you know when I'm reading when

00:45:20

I'm reading the find out that it's Uncle

00:45:22

Bully, you know, before I beat before I

00:45:24

beat up Uncle Bully in the pub. That was

00:45:26

a big night.

00:45:28

Rena was on. Everybody was on too. The

00:45:31

the set was on fire.

00:45:33

All the extras were emotionally involved

00:45:35

and and then it come to my closeup.

00:45:39

Sorry, run out of time. I have to come

00:45:41

back in the morning.

00:45:43

Uh man, it was just hard to go back

00:45:45

there 7:00 in the morning, 6:30 in the

00:45:48

morning and try and pick it up. What we

00:45:50

had the night before was just buzzing.

00:45:53

>> But that's when you got to act a bit.

00:45:54

You got to go back in there and everyone

00:45:56

else has done their closeup except you.

00:45:58

So, and everyone's half asleep by the

00:46:00

time you wasn't the same vibe. That's

00:46:02

when you got to that's when your work's

00:46:04

cut out a little bit more.

00:46:06

>> Do do you do you know you're on to

00:46:07

something at the time when you're when

00:46:09

you're shooting it or

00:46:09

>> No. When do you realize you're on to

00:46:12

onto an absolute winner?

00:46:13

>> Podcast and crew screening

00:46:15

when we all went back to the SBQR which

00:46:17

our DOP used at the time Stuart Dberg.

00:46:21

>> And we all went back there and no one

00:46:22

was talking. It was dead quiet.

00:46:27

That's when I saw

00:46:30

Look around talking to someone. Look

00:46:32

around. No one's talking. We're all just

00:46:34

quiet and we're the ones that made it.

00:46:36

And so it affected us. It affected us in

00:46:38

a way.

00:46:40

>> How did you How did you find your old

00:46:42

self again after that? Did you need any

00:46:43

counseling or any therapy or anything?

00:46:46

>> I went straight back to Shortland Street

00:46:47

and started swearing at everybody.

00:46:53

literally on the Monday I went back

00:46:54

wrapped on Friday had the weekend off. I

00:46:57

had the hair coat

00:47:01

the SK

00:47:05

like it was a demon was like crazy and

00:47:07

Paul kittens all the other actors that

00:47:09

look we don't know where I think he's

00:47:11

still in Mexico or Guatemala these m

00:47:14

Jake's making his way back from Mexico

00:47:17

it was hilarious I just keep swearing

00:47:21

and then give people this

00:47:26

took me about probably a month to just

00:47:28

calm down a little bit. Oh, that's

00:47:30

right. Back to the soap bar. That's

00:47:31

right. That's right. Yeah. No, no

00:47:33

fighting here. No fight. Just hands in

00:47:34

pocket acting stethoscope. Okay. Come

00:47:36

come back to Dr. Lord. But

00:47:38

>> cuz I I suppose you unlock something.

00:47:40

>> Yeah.

00:47:41

>> You unlock unlock this character and

00:47:42

your brain doesn't know what's real and

00:47:44

what's acting.

00:47:44

>> Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was

00:47:46

just a weird time. It's a weird time.

00:47:48

>> And the phrase the phrase life-changing

00:47:50

gets uh thrown around quite a bit. But

00:47:53

yeah, would it be fair to say that role

00:47:54

was life-changing?

00:47:55

>> Yep. Definitely.

00:47:57

>> Yeah, definitely.

00:47:57

>> How so? In real terms.

00:47:59

>> Well, it's it's always there now. You

00:48:00

You create something,

00:48:03

>> you just create, you know, work with.

00:48:05

It's just Well, the movie was

00:48:07

life-changing really. And the whole

00:48:09

experience

00:48:10

life changing. I ran into Anita recently

00:48:12

on my Earth Up show. She was in uh I

00:48:15

invited She lives in Ken's funnily

00:48:16

enough. So, it was nice to catch up with

00:48:18

my uh Grace, who the woman woman who

00:48:21

played Grace. She got kids over there

00:48:22

now. So, it was nice to have a final

00:48:24

catch up with her, talk about those days

00:48:27

again.

00:48:28

>> Did you apologize for your technique of

00:48:31

>> Sorry about all those times I had to

00:48:32

shake up. Sorry about that. She was

00:48:35

beautiful, too. What a performance. She

00:48:36

actually came in with her friend and she

00:48:38

was playing table tennis and Don someone

00:48:40

seen her playing table tennis waiting

00:48:42

for her friend who was auditioning. So,

00:48:44

he called her in the next day to have a

00:48:45

go. That's how she got the part two. M

00:48:48

you you mentioned at the very start of

00:48:49

this podcast that you you do the work

00:48:51

then you maybe go to the premier

00:48:53

screening and then that's it. Have you

00:48:54

you never seen Once Warriors like in the

00:48:56

last

00:48:57

>> 30 years?

00:48:58

>> I see it on somewhere and I quickly

00:49:00

change the channel so I don't have to

00:49:01

watch it.

00:49:02

>> Really? Why?

00:49:03

>> I don't know. I don't want to watch it.

00:49:04

>> Yeah. Do when you're watching it, does

00:49:06

it feel like it does it do you It's you

00:49:08

obviously, but does it feel like you're

00:49:09

watching?

00:49:10

>> It just feels weird. Yeah. I don't know

00:49:11

why.

00:49:12

>> I just rather not watch it.

00:49:15

>> Yeah. What's Jeez, it's never It's not

00:49:18

an easy movie to watch at the best of

00:49:19

times. Eh,

00:49:21

>> and that opened doors. Um,

00:49:22

>> that's the one that's the one that

00:49:24

opened the doors.

00:49:25

>> Not that I knew it at the time. The

00:49:27

thing was at that time Warriors came out

00:49:29

and then um I I was trying to find an

00:49:33

agent in um in Hollywood at the time and

00:49:37

then I think I did the some festival

00:49:39

circuits. It got shown at the Sundance

00:49:42

Film Festival. Actually, I was there.

00:49:44

That's where that's how I got an agent

00:49:46

too because sort of come about and then

00:49:48

he heard of the movie and then it was

00:49:49

going to be at the Sundance kind of

00:49:52

everything was just happening.

00:49:54

Everything was just kind of happening.

00:49:55

It's a funny story but also at the same

00:49:57

time I think I got an audition

00:50:00

for a voiceover. Robert's calling me

00:50:02

Robert Bro, they want you to audition

00:50:04

for this voice over

00:50:06

and I kind of oh my god what the hell do

00:50:08

I have to audition for? See, that's ego

00:50:11

coming in too, thinking, "Oh, they see

00:50:13

me on Shortland Street or whatever, or I

00:50:15

don't know, bro, but they just wanted to

00:50:16

come in." And funny enough, I just read

00:50:18

a a book, you know, positive attitude

00:50:21

kind of book, and I was being negative.

00:50:23

I could tell. And then I suddenly

00:50:25

stopped because I thought of this book.

00:50:26

I

00:50:28

uh I wasn't even going to go in for the

00:50:30

audition. I said, "Ah, bugger." And then

00:50:33

I realized what I was doing. I was

00:50:34

identifying my ego was in the way there.

00:50:37

Wasn't listening to my agent probably.

00:50:39

So, I called him back and I said, "Very

00:50:40

sorry about that bad attitude. Uh, uh,

00:50:43

Robert, when's this audition? Uh, where

00:50:46

is it? I'll I'll go there immediately."

00:50:48

So, I went up there and what I had to

00:50:51

say was um, they showed me the

00:50:53

commercial and it was a air New Zealand

00:50:55

commercial with all these birds, the

00:50:57

Southern Alps, and Kiri Tako was singing

00:50:59

po

00:51:01

went for two minutes.

00:51:05

Then right at the end I had to say Air

00:51:07

New Zealand the airline of the world's

00:51:09

greatest travelers.

00:51:11

I went, "Oh, this is good. This is

00:51:13

good." So I blah blah play the music

00:51:15

again. Have the headphones on. And I

00:51:17

started bringing out my voice, my uh

00:51:19

voice over voice. Air New Zealand, the

00:51:23

airline of the world's greatest

00:51:25

travelers.

00:51:27

Okay, let me do it again. Let me do it

00:51:28

again. Air New Zealand, the airline of

00:51:32

the world's greatest tra Let me do it

00:51:34

again. I must have killed I'm killing

00:51:35

everybody now cuz now I'm doing take 20

00:51:37

now. Hang on. Let me do it again.

00:51:39

>> Too much positivity.

00:51:40

>> Yeah, I know. I'm going for it. I'm

00:51:42

going for it. I'm going for it. I

00:51:44

finally got one where I just had a Let

00:51:45

me add a little bit of smile in there

00:51:47

and a little bit more gravel.

00:51:50

Air New Zealand, the airline of the

00:51:52

world's greatest travel. It wasn't quite

00:51:54

like that, but anyway.

00:51:57

And then I get the call back.

00:52:00

I ring Robert. Did they like my voice?

00:52:02

Did they like my audition? Oh yes, bro.

00:52:04

They love it. Well, when do I go in and

00:52:06

do uh the real thing? Oh, no, no,

00:52:08

they're quite happy. You've done it all.

00:52:10

I said, um, okay. And a voiceover back

00:52:14

then probably got couple hundred bucks

00:52:16

for for your half a day session. This

00:52:20

was only like, you know, 10 minutes at

00:52:22

the most. So, I went back to Robert. I

00:52:25

said, "Charge them $10,000."

00:52:27

And he go,

00:52:29

"There's there's silence at the other

00:52:31

end of the phone."

00:52:32

Are you there?

00:52:34

or pro bro pro they'll never pay that oh

00:52:37

they'll never pay that are you working

00:52:39

for them or for me charge them $10,000

00:52:43

see what they say then we make go oh bro

00:52:46

they're going to pay it

00:52:49

they're going to pay it I just knew I

00:52:50

had this special quality in that in that

00:52:53

one little line to go with it cuz the

00:52:55

kit I think palak it just sounded nice

00:52:58

and so I kind of knew I just had one

00:53:00

special thing it would there was no

00:53:02

other voice like it

00:53:03

>> that's $1,000 per did.

00:53:05

>> Yep. And he got both going to pay it.

00:53:08

And I said, "Okay,

00:53:11

I don't want the money. I don't want the

00:53:13

money, but what I'll have is a $10,000

00:53:16

contra contra deal." So that's how I got

00:53:20

to Hollywood. I would go and ring the

00:53:22

lady up and use uh I think it was about

00:53:25

$1,500 to get to Los Angeles economy. So

00:53:28

I take my 1500 out of that get my

00:53:31

economy seat there about there and back

00:53:33

is actually return ticket too. So that's

00:53:35

how I got to Hollywood through that

00:53:36

commercial. Now if I evaluate that one

00:53:39

my ego was in the way. Two I went and

00:53:43

attended to the work itself.

00:53:46

Got rid of the ego and just dealt with

00:53:48

the job. Tried to do the best voiceover

00:53:51

I could possibly do. That landed me a

00:53:53

job with Air New Zealand. That got me to

00:53:56

Hollywood. I think I went about five or

00:53:58

six times using that Contra deal where I

00:54:02

got an agent and I was using it to go

00:54:04

and do some auditions and I got a couple

00:54:07

of auditions, very good auditions, too.

00:54:09

But then I had to leave Shortland Street

00:54:11

to actually finally get the job because

00:54:13

they wouldn't release me. A couple of

00:54:14

jobs I got,

00:54:15

>> but I got one job and I I forgot what it

00:54:17

was. I think it was um um Renee Harland

00:54:21

movie, like a pirate movie. and uh they

00:54:25

gave me the part. Then I couldn't get

00:54:27

off Shortland Street. So I had to leave.

00:54:28

I said, "Well, if I can get one job, I'm

00:54:30

sure I can get another one." So I

00:54:32

decided to leave Shortland Street, which

00:54:34

was a big big call for me because, you

00:54:36

know, we were making,

00:54:37

>> you know, very good money at the time.

00:54:38

And it was a great job. It was secure

00:54:40

job

00:54:42

>> and um I decided to go back to the

00:54:44

insecure job again and have a crack at

00:54:46

Hollywood.

00:54:47

>> But that's how it all happened. And at

00:54:49

that time it was just a timing thing

00:54:50

too. Everything was kind of going on.

00:54:52

Warriors had just come out and things

00:54:54

like that. So, um, sometimes you just

00:54:56

got to make that decision to go for

00:54:58

that,

00:54:59

>> you know, to go for that other kind of

00:55:01

thing that you might have.

00:55:03

>> Yeah, that's some great advice there.

00:55:05

>> Um, just thought I'd throw that in

00:55:06

there, too. Yeah.

00:55:07

>> And the, um, you you've worked with some

00:55:09

amazing people, and we'll run through

00:55:10

some names in a second, but I just want

00:55:12

to know one of your first movies. Um,

00:55:13

yeah, you mentioned this before, your

00:55:14

agent, Joe, who I've met.

00:55:16

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good man. Um,

00:55:18

>> he passed away.

00:55:19

>> Yeah, he passed away. Yeah.

00:55:22

>> Oh, I didn't know that. I'm sorry. She

00:55:24

said, "You've lost Robert and Joe."

00:55:26

>> Yeah.

00:55:27

>> It gets us all in the end, doesn't it?

00:55:29

>> Yeah. Robert passed away, too. That was

00:55:30

very sad.

00:55:31

>> So Joe um didn't want you to do He's

00:55:34

your agent. He didn't want you to do

00:55:36

barb wire. You Why did Why did you want

00:55:39

to do it? You're just like, "Ah, it's

00:55:40

Pam Hollywood. I want to go to

00:55:42

Hollywood." Pam Anderson was hot from

00:55:45

Baywatch at the time. Baywatch was big

00:55:47

big television show. And uh

00:55:49

>> yeah, I didn't worry about any of that.

00:55:50

He just was based on a comic. Um, yeah,

00:55:55

we're having big arguments about that,

00:55:56

but I decided to do it anyway and made

00:55:58

made my way to Hollywood and filmed that

00:56:00

in Los Angeles. So, it was it was a

00:56:02

buzz. Robert come to visit.

00:56:05

>> When you when you're doing a movie like

00:56:06

that, do like c can you tell if it's

00:56:08

going to be a good movie or a bad movie?

00:56:09

>> Not really. It was a lot of action.

00:56:12

>> I believe there's a funny story about

00:56:14

that. It was your first time using a

00:56:16

gun.

00:56:17

>> Yep.

00:56:17

>> True story.

00:56:18

>> True story. True story. I'll tell

00:56:20

everyone the story. I get this m the the

00:56:23

armor they call they come over and said,

00:56:24

"Oh, Jim, which gun would you like? The

00:56:27

AK

00:56:29

>> 47

00:56:29

>> 47 or the Uzi." And I just Uzi sounded

00:56:33

cuz I've seen all those Commando

00:56:35

Commando comic books growing up. You

00:56:37

remember the old Commando? And they all

00:56:39

had Uzi's in there. I need the Uzi. I

00:56:41

need the Uzi. So he's teaching me how to

00:56:43

work it.

00:56:44

>> And he said it moves. I try and keep it

00:56:45

steady. Load it up. I said, "Load, put

00:56:47

them in." And I'm hiding behind this

00:56:49

vehicle. Then I'm supposed to come

00:56:50

around and shoot all the baddies.

00:56:54

So I'm going like that. Action. Come

00:56:56

around

00:56:59

and do all the firing. Then I hear this.

00:57:00

Cut. Cut. Uh

00:57:04

Tim, come to the monitor, please. So I

00:57:07

run over to the monitor. Have a look.

00:57:08

Rewind this. Rewind. Rewind this. Uh

00:57:11

you're doing something silly with your

00:57:12

mouth or your lips or something. Rewind

00:57:14

it. Show Tim. So he's rewinding it. And

00:57:16

then I have a look. And there I am. I'm

00:57:18

going like this. D.

00:57:21

You're dead.

00:57:25

Then I told the director, I see what I'm

00:57:27

doing with my lips. I'm making the sound

00:57:29

effects. Sorry about that. He goes,

00:57:31

look, let's do it again. You don't have

00:57:33

to do the sound effects. We'll put them

00:57:34

in later. Okay. Okay. So, next take I'm

00:57:37

going like this.

00:57:40

Making sure my lips aren't going. Yeah,

00:57:43

but there was a kid and he just pops out

00:57:45

every now and then. Oh yeah,

00:57:48

>> I still got work after that movie. So

00:57:49

that was good. I went from Pamela

00:57:51

Anderson and I ended up working with

00:57:52

Brando.

00:57:53

>> Mhm.

00:57:54

>> On the island of Dr. Marome.

00:57:56

>> I don't know if that was after. Well,

00:57:58

no, it was well after actually.

00:57:59

>> He didn't he take a real shine to you?

00:58:01

>> He liked you.

00:58:03

>> Yes. Yes. Uh he's watched Warriors.

00:58:07

>> He watched Warriors. He sat down with

00:58:09

his PA and um the PA got to work the

00:58:12

next day and he she came up to me. Mind

00:58:14

you, we're all dressed as dog and half

00:58:16

dog, half human. So, Malon couldn't

00:58:19

really take any of us seriously because

00:58:20

he just looked at us and started

00:58:22

laughing go, "Oh my god." And um so as

00:58:25

you could see all the actors trying to

00:58:27

say something u you know with Maron

00:58:30

trying to make conversation like uh who

00:58:32

was the goatman? He was in the Biky

00:58:34

movie. Ron Ron Pearlman. Ron Pearman

00:58:37

famous for

00:58:38

>> Venick. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's dressed

00:58:40

up like a goat. He's got a goat head on

00:58:42

his and he's trying to talk to Maron

00:58:43

about something, but yeah, no one could

00:58:46

uh Maron couldn't take us all seriously.

00:58:47

But yeah, he had seen Warriors and um he

00:58:52

said, "Oh, I thought I was watching a

00:58:54

documentary." Very good work. Good work.

00:58:56

Good work. And then I had to say, "Oh, I

00:58:58

actually watched Street Car Named Desire

00:59:01

couple hundred times." uh so that was

00:59:04

the connection I and then funnily enough

00:59:06

I saw in Chicago Times I think when

00:59:09

Warriors come out they compared me to

00:59:11

Stanley Kowolski in this write up I said

00:59:13

oh this guy got it this guy got the he

00:59:16

got what we were doing here so yeah that

00:59:18

was about and even for Maron to sit down

00:59:20

and watch the film and just say uh very

00:59:23

good work very good work he thought he

00:59:25

was watching a documentary at times

00:59:27

that's what he said

00:59:28

>> unreal

00:59:29

>> do do you when when you were having a

00:59:31

conversation with someone like Um, are

00:59:32

you picking his brain for acting tips or

00:59:35

is it just conversations?

00:59:36

>> Well, I was doing it more on the day.

00:59:38

Doing one on the day. I'd actually be I'

00:59:40

decided to be uh cuz I was half dog,

00:59:42

half human, I decided to be Maron's

00:59:44

right-hand dog. So, no matter where he

00:59:46

went, I was just going to go with him. I

00:59:48

telling the director, I'm with Maron.

00:59:49

Wherever he goes, I'm his dog. I'm his

00:59:51

right-hand dog. So, I'd go in there and

00:59:54

watch him rehearse. Then I give him a

00:59:56

little bit of a water. I was trying to

00:59:58

just gauge his energy.

01:00:00

And he loved playing with his hands too.

01:00:02

He'd be doing a lot of hands. He'd love

01:00:04

playing with props.

01:00:07

And then some I bit nervous because he'd

01:00:09

just look at me and I start to jump in.

01:00:10

I would jump in. Then he'd say, "Never

01:00:13

anticipate my boy. Never anticipate, you

01:00:17

know, which is a good acting lesson to

01:00:19

you. Don't jump ahead of yourself. Makes

01:00:21

you but because he just everyone was

01:00:24

just on on their best behavior around

01:00:26

Brando." So So that's where he took a

01:00:28

liking to me. probably one of the only

01:00:30

actors that got invited back to his bus,

01:00:32

have a few peanuts with him. And he

01:00:35

started talking a little bit of Tahesian

01:00:37

Mai, which he knew cuz he spent all that

01:00:39

time in Tahiti, of course, cuz it was

01:00:40

raining outside. And Mar goes, "Oh,

01:00:42

hey."

01:00:45

Oh, did he just say, "Hey, raining." Oh,

01:00:48

see. So, it was just a nice moment.

01:00:52

So, I didn't ask. Actually, it was one

01:00:54

of those moments where I didn't know

01:00:55

what to ask him, but but he was all one

01:00:58

he's right into the indigenous movement,

01:01:00

too. Remember? Remember, he sent the

01:01:01

Indian up to get this Oscar.

01:01:04

>> Yeah, that's right.

01:01:05

>> Yeah, remember. So, he's been right

01:01:07

around the indigenous rights for a long,

01:01:08

long time, that man. But yeah, wonderful

01:01:11

man. Wonderful. I used to just watch him

01:01:13

just be in awe, watch him work.

01:01:17

He I even overheard him tell the

01:01:19

director who was John Frankenheimr at

01:01:21

the time. He's telling him to cut Val

01:01:23

Kilmer out of the movie. He's Maron's

01:01:25

going you don't need put this guy. He's

01:01:27

pointing at me. Put this guy in the

01:01:28

movie more. Put this guy

01:01:31

>> He's trying to cut Val out of the movie

01:01:32

and put me in more. So it was kind of

01:01:34

funny.

01:01:34

>> Oh, come that's what Iceman from Top

01:01:37

Gun. How was that?

01:01:38

>> Yeah, he was cool. He was very I don't

01:01:41

know. He's just I don't know what's some

01:01:43

of the fellas didn't like. I like Val.

01:01:45

He was very good actor. I remember Jimmy

01:01:47

remember the Jimmy Morrison role he'd

01:01:49

played

01:01:50

>> in the Doors movie.

01:01:50

>> Yeah, the Doors movie. Beautiful work in

01:01:52

that. No, him and me and Val got on

01:01:54

well. I respected Val. I respected his

01:01:56

work.

01:01:57

>> He just had a I don't I think he rubbed

01:01:59

the crew up a couple of times the wrong

01:02:01

way, but I don't know what it is. You

01:02:03

know, sometimes it gets a bit like that.

01:02:04

You know, they don't have to do much

01:02:05

before some crew member might say, "He's

01:02:08

a diva.

01:02:11

>> And we're pretty lowkey. You know the

01:02:13

crews here in Australia and New Zealand

01:02:17

pretty down to earth kind of people too.

01:02:20

>> Over there is they have big you know in

01:02:22

America they have big union you know the

01:02:23

crew are told not to talk to us really

01:02:25

just talk to your boss and don't talk to

01:02:27

the actors

01:02:28

>> cuz they they know

01:02:30

sometimes actors in America don't like

01:02:33

the crew talking to them because they're

01:02:34

in another zone so they're told not to.

01:02:37

Wow.

01:02:38

>> Last thing they might be having an

01:02:39

emotional scene, so they don't really

01:02:41

want to know about the driver's dinner

01:02:43

last night or whatever they're going

01:02:44

through or their problems. They they're

01:02:46

not interested. They just want to do

01:02:47

their do their acting as best they can.

01:02:50

So sometimes they don't like anyone

01:02:51

talking to them.

01:02:52

>> I feel like I I could be completely

01:02:53

wrong, but I feel like you're the sort

01:02:54

of guy when the the driver comes to pick

01:02:56

you up from the hotel, you probably jump

01:02:58

in the passenger seat, have a yarn.

01:03:00

>> Yeah.

01:03:00

>> Depends what sort of mood you're in. I

01:03:01

have a few drivers kill me and get lost

01:03:03

on the way to set and and start talking

01:03:07

their stuff and I go,

01:03:12

"Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah,

01:03:14

>> you know." Yeah.

01:03:15

>> What about Harrison Ford? You've worked

01:03:16

with him, right?

01:03:17

>> Yes, I worked with him 67. Nice. Nice

01:03:18

man, Harrison.

01:03:19

>> Nice man.

01:03:20

>> Mhm.

01:03:21

>> He he taught me a couple of lessons

01:03:24

because I think Air Force One had just

01:03:26

come out and I was interested in Gary

01:03:28

Man playing the bad guy. So I was asking

01:03:31

Harrison about Gary Man. I was saying

01:03:34

Harrison does that guy Omen does he kind

01:03:37

of you know how does he work himself up

01:03:38

because he's very intense actor this guy

01:03:40

you seal some of his early work

01:03:43

>> and he goes yeah Harrison goes yeah he's

01:03:45

a bit of a rant that one yeah he's

01:03:48

saying something like he goes on about

01:03:50

that guy say I don't see you running

01:03:52

around the place working yourself up

01:03:54

Harrison and I put it all there

01:03:59

and you watch Harrison's acting he's got

01:04:01

a lot of energy and he forces it right

01:04:03

up to the forehead

01:04:05

breathing wise and everything. He puts

01:04:06

it right there. Then the other thing he

01:04:08

does too is a number of versions

01:04:11

versions.

01:04:13

And he'll just go down and he'll come up

01:04:15

and give a look. Then he'll go disappear

01:04:17

again. He'll come up and just give a

01:04:19

slightly different version. So yeah, I

01:04:21

learned that one off Harrison versions.

01:04:23

So the editor doesn't have the same

01:04:25

thing. There's a bit of a variety going

01:04:27

on. So they can choose in the cut, you

01:04:29

know,

01:04:29

>> sort of like what you did with the New

01:04:31

Zealand voiceover. Yes, very much so.

01:04:32

Very much until I got the right tone,

01:04:34

the right smile, just that right

01:04:36

version. And Harrison would do a number

01:04:38

of versions and then just leave it up to

01:04:40

the

01:04:40

>> to the director or the editor later on

01:04:42

when they see the best one. So that was

01:04:45

another good Six Days, Seven Nights.

01:04:46

That was with Anne Hesh, too. Anne Hesh

01:04:48

passed away, too.

01:04:49

>> Oh,

01:04:50

>> and Harrison. Wonderful

01:04:53

filming in Hawaii, too.

01:04:56

>> Kawaii, I think it was.

01:04:58

>> Oh. Um, speaking of people you've met

01:05:00

that have passed away, Michael Jackson,

01:05:02

>> I did meet him briefly.

01:05:04

>> Yeah,

01:05:04

>> Michael,

01:05:05

>> how did how did this happen? This wasn't

01:05:07

>> I went to see my friend who was doing a

01:05:09

makeup the Dr. Maro makeup artist

01:05:12

actually Bruce Fuller was his name and

01:05:14

he was doing the black and white

01:05:17

some work on the black and white music

01:05:19

video, Michael's. So, I went in to see

01:05:21

my makeup artist and then I decided to

01:05:24

go for a walk, have a look around the

01:05:25

set and then I'm in this uh thing and I

01:05:28

must have been in Michael Jackson's

01:05:29

personal tent with all this oxygen was

01:05:33

getting blown and I was having a look.

01:05:34

Then I was just about to walk out and in

01:05:36

he walked with his security and the

01:05:38

security guy said, "Hey, aren't you the

01:05:40

guy from Monster Warrior?" So, Michael

01:05:42

was listening to the security guy. Oh,

01:05:44

must have thought I was somebody famous

01:05:45

then. So, I shook his hand.

01:05:49

That was nice. But I I was just like an

01:05:52

idiot. I was staring at him like this,

01:05:54

looking at his nose, looking at his pale

01:05:57

white skin. And I sort of just I freaked

01:05:59

him out a bit. So he kind of left. He

01:06:00

sort of made him feel a bit

01:06:02

uncomfortable cuz I was just staring

01:06:03

like an idiot.

01:06:05

But I did say, uh, look, when on your

01:06:07

world tour, Michael, make sure you visit

01:06:09

New Zealand, not just Australia, like a

01:06:12

lot of them do. Funnily enough, I see

01:06:14

him come to New Zealand, which wasn't on

01:06:16

the original tour. And guess who met him

01:06:18

at the airport? Uncle Howard.

01:06:20

>> Unbelievable. Yeah. Wow.

01:06:22

>> That's funny.

01:06:23

>> Yeah, that was a brief moment, but oh, I

01:06:25

remember going into watching him work

01:06:26

and that sound was just reverberating.

01:06:29

These walls were just shaking and then

01:06:31

man, he was just doing like nothing but

01:06:33

it was something. You know what I mean?

01:06:35

Just minimal just feeling it. He was

01:06:38

just feeling and it was just another

01:06:39

moment. I was wow,

01:06:41

>> wow, it's Michael Jackson. Look at that.

01:06:45

Yeah, I was buzzing up then back to my

01:06:47

buddy the makeup. Oh, I see Michael.

01:06:48

That's me. I'm out of here.

01:06:52

>> So, she was doing the makeup on this

01:06:53

video shoot for Black or White. She

01:06:55

hadn't even got to meet him.

01:06:56

>> No.

01:06:56

>> And she warned you that you probably

01:06:57

wouldn't get to meet him.

01:06:58

>> Yeah.

01:06:59

>> Yeah.

01:06:59

>> Classic Tim. That's funny. Um, what

01:07:02

about Jason Mamoa? Um, it's it's like a

01:07:05

it's it's a very special relationship

01:07:06

you two have. Hey.

01:07:07

>> Yeah. He loved Warriors. Warriors

01:07:09

affected him. I heard him I only know

01:07:11

this because I heard him talking to his

01:07:12

kids. It's the reason why he got into

01:07:14

acting. Warriors. Once were warriors.

01:07:19

And um well, you know, he was growing up

01:07:22

um I think he moved I think his parents

01:07:25

separated too. So he moved to Iowa for a

01:07:28

bit with his mom. And then when he was

01:07:31

going back to Hawaii to find out more

01:07:34

about his his dad's side, well, he

01:07:36

started getting work on those you as a

01:07:38

model and as on that early Baywatch

01:07:41

stuff, too. So I think Yeah. So, he'd

01:07:44

been watching New Zealand for quite some

01:07:45

time and I'd heard about Jason through

01:07:48

my agent to Joe actually had run into

01:07:50

him a couple of times and Joe was

01:07:52

telling me, "Oh, that guy just loves

01:07:53

you. He just loves once we're warriors

01:07:54

and things like that." So, um so yeah,

01:07:56

we've become very good friends now. So,

01:07:59

>> because I think I think the last time

01:08:00

you and I met in real life in person, I

01:08:02

mean, was um probably at the Roosevelt

01:08:04

Hotel in LA. I was I just happened to be

01:08:06

over there with my partner at the time

01:08:08

and it was the same night as the um uh

01:08:10

premiere for the original Aquaman. And

01:08:12

you were like, "Oh, Dom, Dom, give me a

01:08:14

call tonight. There's a party by the

01:08:15

pool. You can come. I'll introduce you

01:08:17

to Nicole Kidman and Jason Mamoa." And

01:08:19

then I tried to call you later that

01:08:20

night. You didn't pick up. But it was a

01:08:22

lovely sentiment. And we had we had

01:08:23

brunch the next day with Jason Mamoa.

01:08:26

>> Did you?

01:08:26

>> Yeah.

01:08:26

>> Oh, that's good. At least I did

01:08:27

something.

01:08:29

>> Yeah. No, but he's um Yeah, he he's been

01:08:32

called really supportive of you, eh?

01:08:34

>> Very very took me like uh put me in I

01:08:36

think he was a big mover and groover for

01:08:38

me being Aqua Dad as well. So uh he

01:08:41

wanted me to be his father. So I think u

01:08:43

they had to listen to him. I think even

01:08:45

though I met the casting agent, I went

01:08:46

through the right

01:08:48

>> um way of going about it. So I met the

01:08:50

casting agent people as well. Actually

01:08:52

at the time my agent Joe we we because

01:08:54

he'd been down in New Zealand a number

01:08:56

of times. So I taught him how to do the

01:08:57

barbecue, the big feed, put the barbie

01:08:59

on. So when we when he got back to

01:09:01

America, he was putting on the big feeds

01:09:04

like we do back here. So, and he'd

01:09:06

invite the uh the casting agents to his

01:09:09

house for a barbecue.

01:09:11

That saves us waiting to meet the

01:09:13

casting agent, you see. So, it was a

01:09:14

good little method to encourage the

01:09:16

casting agents to come over,

01:09:18

>> have a barbecue, and then meet me at the

01:09:20

same time or some of his other clients

01:09:21

as well. So, it was really good way of

01:09:22

working.

01:09:24

>> And then uh the Aqua, I've forgotten her

01:09:26

name now actually, the Aqua Aquaman

01:09:29

casting turned up at one of the

01:09:30

barbecues. Actually, she was late. She

01:09:32

came a bit later. Then I was doing

01:09:34

everything I could to impress her.

01:09:35

Pulled the guitar out. I sang sang my

01:09:38

sang every song I could think of. I

01:09:41

think I killed her. But anyway, not long

01:09:43

after that I got the part, but I think

01:09:44

basically it was due to Jason. He also

01:09:46

put me in a thing like Frontier. Took me

01:09:48

to England with him. Wanted me to do

01:09:50

some stuff in Frontier. That was way

01:09:51

cool. We filmed up in England and

01:09:53

another place called New Foundland just

01:09:55

Canada there. New Finland. New Finland

01:09:57

somewhere there. And then of course um

01:10:03

more recently this Chief of War has been

01:10:05

>> Yeah. on Apple spectacular. Been quite a

01:10:07

spectacular show.

01:10:09

>> Um

01:10:11

yeah, he was actually ringing me and I

01:10:13

was trying to put him on to Cliff.

01:10:16

Need you, bro. I need you, bro. I ring

01:10:18

Cliff. Ring Cliff Curtis. He's your man.

01:10:20

Oh, I already got a Cliff. I already got

01:10:22

a Cliff. I need you, too.

01:10:24

All right. All right.

01:10:27

What? Yeah. You you've done this quite a

01:10:28

bit over the years. E like um when

01:10:30

there's an overflow of work or a job you

01:10:31

don't want, you pass it on to Cliff G.

01:10:33

Why? Why? So,

01:10:34

>> I just wanted to He doesn't need your

01:10:35

help, does he? No, I was just like I

01:10:37

think he wanted to be the bad guy and I

01:10:38

was trying to tell him that Cliff's Oh,

01:10:40

Cliff's an excellent bad guy.

01:10:43

>> Yeah. But then he said, "No, I've

01:10:44

already got Cliff."

01:10:45

>> That was for this chief of all thing

01:10:47

been quite spectacular actually. I'm

01:10:48

glad I didn't I'm glad I had said yes at

01:10:50

the end of the day because it was

01:10:52

>> very rarely get this opportunity to um

01:10:55

do something quite cultural, something

01:10:57

Hawaiian.

01:10:58

>> Had to learn the language,

01:11:00

>> a lot of it based on their history too.

01:11:02

So um and everyone sort of took took the

01:11:06

responsibility on to do the best we

01:11:08

could, you know, for our Hawaiian

01:11:09

brothers and sisters, you know, it was

01:11:11

and it was Jason's turn for for him to

01:11:13

make his story about his ancestors. So

01:11:16

very very very rewarding um job that

01:11:20

was. Besides my feet, my feet were too

01:11:24

soft. Dom walking on that Hawaiian coral

01:11:28

rock. The feet were I'm supposed to be

01:11:31

the big chief walking like this. But

01:11:35

yeah, my feet were way too soft. But

01:11:37

yeah, it was a fab fabulous experience.

01:11:40

Uh we really worked closely with the

01:11:42

dialogue people to get the Hawaiian

01:11:44

sounding as authentic as we could make

01:11:45

it. So made some great friends. Had one

01:11:48

uh who did my hi

01:11:50

>> in Hawaii. He plays Kamehaha. So he's

01:11:53

really a great friend now that I've and

01:11:55

he also hosted us for my Earth Oven

01:11:57

show. So yeah, so we got a lot out of

01:11:59

it, you know, and we even had, you know,

01:12:01

a lot of cultural things happening, you

01:12:03

know, with the Waka, you know, the the

01:12:05

renaissance we're having with our with

01:12:07

our Walker sailing all around the world

01:12:09

now, proving uh we could shoot all the

01:12:12

way to North America. Bam. We could

01:12:14

shoot all the way to La Panui. Bam. Just

01:12:16

like that. So carving wise, we had

01:12:19

people from Rotoa doing a lot of the

01:12:20

carvings in Chief of War teaching

01:12:23

teaching the Hawaiian carvers how to,

01:12:25

you know, so a lot of shared cultural

01:12:27

stuff was going on too. Just amazing

01:12:28

experience.

01:12:29

>> Oh, speaking of cultural Hawaiian roles,

01:12:32

I guess, um you're also a chief in

01:12:34

Moana.

01:12:35

>> Yep.

01:12:35

>> Um a a job like a voice job like that or

01:12:40

um say like doing a voiceover for a Star

01:12:42

Wars game or whatever it happens to

01:12:44

That's been beautiful for me cuz uh at

01:12:46

least you know it's one of those nice

01:12:48

soft things for the kids. Oh, they come

01:12:50

to my Star Wars table, they see Boba

01:12:52

Fett, Boba Fett, Jango Fett, Commander

01:12:54

Cody, blah blah blah. Oh, oh, he's Chief

01:12:57

Dwey as well. I always have a photo of

01:12:58

that.

01:12:59

>> You've got a you've got a young

01:13:00

daughter. Is she a Moana fan?

01:13:01

>> Yep. Oh, she loves him. She loves Moana.

01:13:04

She sings the songs and everything.

01:13:05

>> And she's she's six, so she sort of

01:13:08

makes the connection that dad is

01:13:10

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's she's with me a

01:13:11

lot sometimes on set now, so she comes

01:13:14

for for a look and a watch.

01:13:17

>> My papa does the action. My papa does

01:13:20

the action. She's not quite sure what

01:13:21

the action is, but she hears some some

01:13:24

yelling out action.

01:13:25

>> That's so cute.

01:13:26

>> M has been great for the kids, too. It's

01:13:28

quite funny, though. The parents come up

01:13:30

and the kids looking at me and the

01:13:33

parents are going, "Look, look, look,

01:13:34

son. Look, look, the daughter, whatever

01:13:36

the name is. Look, it's Chief Dwey from

01:13:38

Moana." And they're looking at me going,

01:13:42

>> "You don't look like Chief Dwey.

01:13:45

That's just my voice. It's just my voice

01:13:47

on the Chief D."

01:13:48

>> But do you do you do those voiceover

01:13:50

jobs like in a in a studio near your

01:13:52

home in Rooua or do you get flowing

01:13:54

somewhere?

01:13:54

>> No, right down here in Oakuckland.

01:13:56

>> Right.

01:13:56

>> Yeah.

01:13:57

>> Amazing.

01:13:57

>> I got a couple of studios here I use

01:14:00

>> um just in the city here. Envy and

01:14:02

there's a few around the city because

01:14:04

they got to have these proper

01:14:05

connections.

01:14:06

>> Yeah.

01:14:06

>> Sometimes you can do it on your phone.

01:14:08

Sometimes I've done a few things in the

01:14:09

one and I've just done it on the phone.

01:14:10

Just one line or two that I've missed.

01:14:12

>> Put it on the phone as best I can.

01:14:14

>> But audition for Chief Tui though again

01:14:16

they wanted to see me in person.

01:14:19

Um

01:14:22

I actually almost lost the job too cuz I

01:14:24

wasn't when I first went to thing I

01:14:26

wasn't happy with the way Ma Maui

01:14:28

looked.

01:14:31

So I kind of let out a few things and I

01:14:33

kind of saw them all go a bit red. So I

01:14:35

thought, well gee, I better stop that

01:14:36

otherwise I'll be fired soon. So I just

01:14:38

sort of towed the line.

01:14:40

>> Why weren't you happy with how Maui

01:14:41

looked?

01:14:42

>> Oh, well I don't know. I just I had

01:14:43

another vision. I had another vision. I

01:14:46

had another vision like a birdlike thin

01:14:49

thin looking warrior. I don't know. I

01:14:52

don't know. But hey, the movie's done

01:14:53

well. Beautiful. Beautiful. I'm in Moana

01:14:56

too as well. So there was a little I

01:14:58

actually got a little bit annoyed

01:14:59

because they didn't I sang the song in

01:15:02

the first Moana

01:15:04

but they didn't use my voice. I think it

01:15:06

was a bit too high for me to be quite

01:15:08

honest. It was a little bit high but it

01:15:10

wasn't until I watched the movie that I

01:15:12

realized they cut my voice out. So I'm

01:15:13

looking at my agent Joe again.

01:15:17

That's not my voice. What happened? You

01:15:20

know, they at least they could have

01:15:21

said, "Oh,

01:15:23

sorry, but we didn't use your voice. It

01:15:25

didn't you were flat or something. That

01:15:27

might have been nice."

01:15:28

>> It was a little high for me, but

01:15:31

>> anyway, I got to sing in the second one.

01:15:33

So, that was made up for it.

01:15:36

>> Fantastic. What was that song?

01:15:37

>> I can't remember. Village song. Village.

01:15:39

The village song.

01:15:42

>> Yeah. How How are you? You um Yeah. So,

01:15:45

you've got a six-y old daughter. You've

01:15:46

got you've got a um adult kids as well,

01:15:48

right?

01:15:48

>> Yeah. James, you know James.

01:15:50

>> Yeah. The model.

01:15:51

>> He's um he's 34 now.

01:15:54

>> How Yeah. How how

01:15:56

>> I think you came to his 21st, didn't

01:15:57

you?

01:15:57

>> What's that?

01:15:58

>> I think you came to James' 21st.

01:16:00

>> Yeah. Yeah, I did.

01:16:00

>> In sitting here.

01:16:02

>> Yeah.

01:16:02

>> How How is it different? What What are

01:16:04

your observations from being like a dad

01:16:05

in your 30s versus being a dad in your

01:16:08

late 50s, early 60s?

01:16:09

>> Yeah. It's better being in your 30s, but

01:16:11

Yeah.

01:16:14

>> I got a I got a 20-year-old, too.

01:16:16

>> 20-y old girl.

01:16:18

Yes. So, I've got James, 34, 20-year-old

01:16:21

Aayorangi, and a six-year-old, W

01:16:23

Punaangi.

01:16:25

Yeah. Just the energy level. So, it's a

01:16:28

bit hard when you come home at night and

01:16:29

the sixyear-old wants wants to play

01:16:32

shoulder rides at 11:00 at night. Why

01:16:36

are you still up?

01:16:39

Then they want to jump all over you. You

01:16:40

go,

01:16:43

but it's nice those kids just jumping

01:16:45

all over you. There's nothing like that

01:16:47

feeling really where they're just

01:16:48

hugging you and they're just jumping on

01:16:49

you even though you're tired.

01:16:51

>> Don't feel like playing robot at the

01:16:53

moment.

01:16:55

>> I've I've seen you with your with your

01:16:56

kids at various stages of their lives

01:16:57

and you're a very you're a very present

01:16:59

dad. You've got a lot of love for your

01:17:00

kids. Eh,

01:17:02

>> well try to Yes. Yes.

01:17:06

Yes. Big loves to the kids. Big loves.

01:17:09

>> Yeah.

01:17:10

>> That's why I got to work in the next

01:17:12

lifetime as well. So

01:17:16

the six-year-olds.

01:17:20

I have to go work in the next lifetime,

01:17:22

too. Dom, do they do podcasts in the

01:17:23

next life? Do you think?

01:17:25

>> Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. We'll

01:17:26

find out.

01:17:28

>> Um, should we move on to some Star Wars

01:17:30

stuff?

01:17:30

>> Not really. I don't like Star Wars.

01:17:33

>> You You What are you looking at?

01:17:35

>> My Star Wars things here.

01:17:37

>> Oh, yeah.

01:17:37

>> This t-shirt. I just saw it in the shop.

01:17:39

>> Were you a fan of Star Wars before or

01:17:42

not?

01:17:42

>> No, not really. 77 that first one come

01:17:45

out. So I wasn't really a big Star Wars

01:17:46

fan,

01:17:47

>> but um I met the casting agent

01:17:53

and funnily enough I was in LA. I was

01:17:55

actually in the Balash Hotel staying on

01:17:57

the ninth floor and I had to meet the

01:17:58

casting agent who was staying in the

01:18:00

same hotel on the 10th floor. So I

01:18:02

couldn't believe that.

01:18:03

>> Wow.

01:18:03

>> And I just went up. We had a little uh

01:18:05

chat. That's all it was. Just a talk,

01:18:08

talked about anything and everything for

01:18:10

about an hour I think and that was it.

01:18:13

And then uh about a month or so later,

01:18:15

she called, "We'd love you to play Jango

01:18:17

Fat." So

01:18:19

that was funny. And then I get over

01:18:21

there and there's Jay Lana, my old radio

01:18:24

mate. And I'm looking at Jay cuz we both

01:18:27

did the radio together out south

01:18:29

Oakland. He's looking at me. I What are

01:18:31

you doing here? I said, I'm Jango Fat.

01:18:35

What are you doing here? I'm Captain

01:18:37

Tyo. Oh, come on. I see. So, and then

01:18:40

Rena Owen was there playing Toni.

01:18:43

And uh yeah, do do you ever have a

01:18:47

moment where where where you guys are

01:18:48

looking at each each other and maybe

01:18:49

it's just like a a look and you know

01:18:51

you're feeling the same thing without

01:18:52

even saying it but we're like how the

01:18:54

[ __ ] did this happen?

01:18:54

>> Yeah. Funny too cuz they had a cardboard

01:18:56

cut out of her of her head on stuck on a

01:19:00

hat. Rena wore a hat like a building hat

01:19:02

you know with a cardboard cutout. So she

01:19:04

looked quite ridiculous of how high her

01:19:07

head was going to be. They just had a

01:19:09

little cardboard cutout of some eyes. So

01:19:12

yeah, she looked ridiculous looking

01:19:13

walking around with his hat on, but at

01:19:14

least we knew how tall she was going to

01:19:16

be.

01:19:18

>> But I remember my first scene too was

01:19:19

George was there directing all the

01:19:21

casting agent was there and it was in

01:19:24

Sydney at the Fox studio there. I had a

01:19:26

big scene with you and McGregor and I

01:19:28

was nervous. Gee, I was just I was just

01:19:32

wasn't quite ready, you know. I wasn't

01:19:34

>> I don't But I just wasn't going to. I

01:19:36

was rushed actually cuz I was doing

01:19:37

something else and I had to shoot over

01:19:39

there and do the scene and then go back

01:19:40

and finish this other job I was doing.

01:19:41

Then I could go back and do the rest of

01:19:43

it. So I was rushed in between and I was

01:19:46

going from one set to another. I was

01:19:48

finishing off this TV show called

01:19:50

E-hucka. I think it was a TV cop show uh

01:19:53

with Rebecca Gibney, I think it was. And

01:19:55

then I was rushed over to Star Wars and

01:19:57

did the scene with Euan

01:20:00

and he'd been doing it for a while. So

01:20:02

he was pretty comfortable in his Jedi

01:20:05

outfit and his Jedi pretty minimal actor

01:20:08

too. He was pretty good. So and I was

01:20:10

still finding my way but uh

01:20:14

I was just trying to relax relax. And he

01:20:17

was so cool too. He was just doing very

01:20:21

very minimal kind of acting. Just

01:20:23

eyebrow stuff.

01:20:25

I'm going do you like your army? And I

01:20:28

was thinking, well, I'm just going to

01:20:29

copy this guy and just use my eyebrows

01:20:31

back. So, I was and he was so subtle. I

01:20:35

was trying to be more subtle than he

01:20:37

was, you know. It was like a game of

01:20:38

poker, you know. You know, I've got some

01:20:40

jacks. I got a pair of jacks up, but I'm

01:20:42

sure you got a pair of aces. So, it was

01:20:44

like that. I was playing it like that.

01:20:46

But anyway, I got through the day and

01:20:47

got survived. So,

01:20:50

it was just huge though. You don't

01:20:52

realize

01:20:54

cuz the sets at the time were just

01:20:56

massive and all the blue and green

01:20:59

screen. Now it's even changed again. But

01:21:02

yeah. Oh, there's a buzzer George there.

01:21:05

>> Yeah. What What's your first meeting

01:21:07

with George Lucas like? Are you Are you

01:21:09

super intimidated or

01:21:10

>> No, he's just very nice. He just likes

01:21:12

you. Relax. Yeah. Just very cordial.

01:21:16

>> Blue jeans, the checkered shirt, you

01:21:18

know, the mullet hairstyle. Yeah. Just

01:21:20

very cool. I like George. Very cool

01:21:23

director. So, I had a great time with

01:21:24

him.

01:21:25

>> Does he

01:21:26

>> And he made me feel comfortable, too.

01:21:27

He's very hands-on, though. Very

01:21:29

directing. Very

01:21:31

>> He was just trying to relax me, too, cuz

01:21:33

I think he could see I was a bit

01:21:34

nervous, you know. Just another day at

01:21:36

the office, he was saying.

01:21:39

>> When you're when you're doing that or

01:21:40

when you find out you're going to be in

01:21:42

Star Wars, um are are you aware that

01:21:44

it's like a life-changing role in terms

01:21:46

of

01:21:46

>> No, not not at the time. I didn't

01:21:48

realize it. It's only now that I'm doing

01:21:50

the conventions and all of that. That's

01:21:51

all come from that.

01:21:53

>> And

01:21:54

>> you do heaps of them, mate. When you

01:21:55

when I listen to you to come on the

01:21:56

podcast and you're like, "Sorry, bro.

01:21:57

I'm going

01:21:58

>> overseas." Conventions now. Yeah. That's

01:22:00

the big spin-off.

01:22:02

>> Yeah. I love the conventions. Just get

01:22:04

there. It's nice nice people. They look

01:22:06

after you book and just got to sit at

01:22:08

your desk for

01:22:11

next to all the other guys. And

01:22:13

sometimes you get a bit upset because

01:22:15

there's more in his line than in your

01:22:16

line. Hey.

01:22:18

Oh, so you Oh, so it's not like a not

01:22:21

like a a table talk thing. It's like

01:22:23

lines for autographs. And what do people

01:22:25

want? They just want you to sign like a

01:22:27

pop doll or they want you

01:22:28

>> photograph generally or the pop-ups now.

01:22:30

Huge. The pop-ups are just huge. They're

01:22:33

just a box with a doll of Boba Fett in

01:22:36

there or Jango Fett or Clone Trooper.

01:22:39

>> And they never take them out of the box.

01:22:41

>> No. No. You say Yeah. So then they want

01:22:43

a quote quote from my show or something

01:22:46

like a banana

01:22:47

>> for the phone. Oh, just a quote from

01:22:49

what I've said in one of the movies.

01:22:52

>> No hard feelings. It's just business. I

01:22:55

said that in one of my Boba Fett shows.

01:22:57

So, they want to quote

01:22:58

>> they I they also the famous quote is I'm

01:23:02

just a simple man making my way in the

01:23:05

universe which after doing that all

01:23:07

bloody day long stuff gets a bit boring.

01:23:10

Making my way in the universe like my

01:23:11

father before me and all that. So, but

01:23:13

it's nice. You know what I figured

01:23:14

though? They just they just want that

01:23:16

little moment, you know, tell you tell

01:23:18

you something uh about them about how

01:23:22

something affected affected them. You

01:23:24

know, they're very um very honest, but

01:23:28

it's just that little moment, you know,

01:23:29

they they're getting the photograph and

01:23:31

the autograph is just really an excuse

01:23:33

just so they can be close to you, have

01:23:35

that little moment. And they always

01:23:37

they're very honest with you. They say,

01:23:38

"Man, I was just going through a bad

01:23:40

time." You know, one time I'll tell you,

01:23:42

this is a true story. I'm uh where was

01:23:44

I? I was down down um

01:23:48

down staying in this hotel down by

01:23:50

Shutters down by Malibu there. Nice

01:23:53

hotel. And I was living next door to the

01:23:54

hotel from Shutters. And um I was kind

01:23:59

of I was staying in this hotel. It was

01:24:01

very nice. And I thought, "Oh, I'm going

01:24:02

to go over to that restaurant for

01:24:04

change. See what their breakfast is

01:24:06

like." It was actually the shutters

01:24:08

hotel. I went to go had my breakfast.

01:24:11

Went to go pay. The guy said, "It's

01:24:13

okay, man. It's all me." And he was one

01:24:15

of the assistant managers there. I said,

01:24:17

"Gee, that's very nice of you, man. It's

01:24:19

all good. It's cool. You got come." And

01:24:21

he showed me a photo. He said, "Look."

01:24:23

And I had taken a photo with his sons,

01:24:27

like couple of two, three years

01:24:29

beforehand. He said, "I was on the bones

01:24:31

of my ass. I've gone through a divorce.

01:24:34

I was unemployed. We hardly had any

01:24:36

money. I took my sons and we were

01:24:38

standing. They were standing and they of

01:24:40

course they had no money to get an

01:24:42

autograph. They just stood there and

01:24:43

looked at me for a while and I could see

01:24:44

them looking at me. So I said, "Oh." So

01:24:46

I actually got up at my table and went

01:24:48

over to say hello to them. Oh. Been here

01:24:51

standing there to say hello to the boys

01:24:52

and I said hello to them. And they were

01:24:56

just about to go to university I think.

01:24:59

And uh they made it a bit of a pack and

01:25:01

then I took them back to my table gave

01:25:03

them an autograph. Yeah. From Jang. All

01:25:05

the best with your studies boys. And

01:25:07

then he showed me a photo again and they

01:25:09

both had their gowns on. Wow.

01:25:13

They had graduated.

01:25:19

And he said, "We've always the boys

01:25:22

always when they got went through a hard

01:25:23

time or stuck uh an emotional time or a

01:25:27

very hard time, they would always just

01:25:29

remember the photos from Django Fett and

01:25:31

things like that." He made me cry. I'm

01:25:34

almost crying again just thinking about

01:25:35

it. But he actually made me cry at the

01:25:36

time. So I gave him another hug. Yeah.

01:25:38

So that was a buzz. That was a buzz for

01:25:40

me. I said, "Geez, I'm glad I was just

01:25:42

every now and then you got to be nice."

01:25:44

And that's what I did. I was just nice.

01:25:45

I had a little moment. Went over there,

01:25:47

say hello, gave those boys a couple of

01:25:49

photos. Then they ended up using this

01:25:51

Django Fett experience to to keep their

01:25:53

positivity up. So it was great to see

01:25:55

that they had graduated. And plus, I got

01:25:57

a free breakfast.

01:26:00

>> The return on investment was good. took

01:26:02

a while to get the payoff, but

01:26:04

>> and I got a free breakfast from the

01:26:05

Flash Hotel. But that was just a lesson

01:26:08

for me sometimes, you know, cuz

01:26:09

sometimes I get home after a convention

01:26:11

>> and you know, been flying and you just

01:26:14

get to the airport and someone goes,

01:26:15

"Oh, can I have a photo with you?" And I

01:26:17

have a photo with you and it's just that

01:26:18

one you sort of go, "Ah." So I've done

01:26:21

that a couple of times because I've just

01:26:22

been so tired, but now I don't do that.

01:26:24

I just always go out of my way now

01:26:25

because it might be

01:26:27

>> they might be going through something.

01:26:29

>> So I always just take that time. Yeah.

01:26:30

Yeah. Come on. Come on. Oh god. All

01:26:31

good, mate.

01:26:32

>> Jeez. Oh, you're you're a good man, eh?

01:26:35

I mean, everyone has a like a a a social

01:26:37

battery, right? And I'm sure those

01:26:39

things are incredibly draining, but I'm

01:26:40

sure you're you're better at them than

01:26:43

most.

01:26:43

>> Yeah. Yeah.

01:26:44

>> Like you're really respectful of

01:26:45

everybody.

01:26:45

>> I've been I've been to a few conventions

01:26:47

and there's there sometimes there's one

01:26:50

guy next and then they come to my table

01:26:51

after they've been to the other guy and

01:26:53

they go that this he's so grumpy.

01:26:59

I was just getting complaints about the

01:27:00

other guy. Yeah. So, I made I made it my

01:27:02

point just to be extra nice to everybody

01:27:04

cuz he was so grumpy.

01:27:07

>> I I was out with um yeah, Kesha Castle

01:27:09

Hughes once and we were in like a a

01:27:10

countdown or it's whatever and the the

01:27:12

checkout lady was like, "Oh my god, Kha,

01:27:14

your favor. Can I have a photo?" And

01:27:15

Kesha spent like a minute explaining

01:27:17

like, "Look,

01:27:18

>> oh, do you want to get that?"

01:27:20

>> Um Kesha spent like a minute, two

01:27:22

minutes explaining, "Look, I you know,

01:27:25

>> you know, you're at work. I you know,

01:27:26

I'm on holiday." And and at the end I

01:27:29

was like, "Geez, Case, you could have

01:27:30

just had the photo and it would have

01:27:31

been way quicker."

01:27:32

>> Yeah.

01:27:33

>> But yeah. Do Do you ever turn anyone

01:27:34

down or not anymore?

01:27:35

>> I think I have in the past cuz I was

01:27:37

tired and just not in the mood. But now

01:27:39

I don't. I just I just uh

01:27:44

greet a stranger now. Greet a stranger.

01:27:47

>> Give him some Yeah. No problem. No

01:27:49

problem. Give him some positivity. Be

01:27:52

nice. Be nice. try to

01:27:56

>> that's only just happening though. So

01:27:58

got a lot lot to make up for.

01:28:01

>> But yeah. Yeah. If if you're ever rude

01:28:03

to someone, does it does it like play on

01:28:04

your mind? You feel bad about the times

01:28:06

you're rude or the times that you let

01:28:09

people down. Those are the things that

01:28:11

play on your mind really.

01:28:13

>> Not all the good stuff. Not all the

01:28:14

stuff that you've done and been happy

01:28:16

about and done good stuff. You don't

01:28:18

think about that because that's all done

01:28:19

and you've done it the right way. It's

01:28:21

those little bit of moments where you've

01:28:24

disappointed people. Those are the ones

01:28:26

that come back to haunt you. So, uh, so

01:28:28

I've learned that.

01:28:29

>> Yes.

01:28:29

>> What's that scar from? Did you get a

01:28:30

scar there? Bang in the head. No.

01:28:32

>> Me? That thing there? Yeah,

01:28:33

>> mate. That's just from frowning.

01:28:34

>> That's frowning.

01:28:35

>> It's smoldering.

01:28:36

>> Smoldering.

01:28:37

>> Smoldering in my 20s and 30s.

01:28:39

>> Must be. Yeah. Okay.

01:28:40

>> It's a lot of smoldering.

01:28:41

>> Okay. That's cool.

01:28:42

>> I got one of those there, too. Look.

01:28:44

>> Yeah.

01:28:44

>> Wasn't from smoldering.

01:28:46

>> Um, that that story that you told before

01:28:48

where you were getting emotional. Um the

01:28:49

the fact that you're getting emotional

01:28:51

about it, I think it's speaks volumes

01:28:52

about you as a person and the type of

01:28:54

character you are.

01:28:55

>> Yeah. Know cuz he was he was he was

01:28:57

actually going to tears when he was

01:28:59

telling me and I didn't realize our

01:29:00

connection. But

01:29:02

>> it was wonderful to see his sons had

01:29:03

graduated too and it was wonderful that

01:29:06

you know just in that moment of time now

01:29:08

he's a you know he's come out of that

01:29:10

he's a manager of a hotel now. So

01:29:12

>> so it was good really good.

01:29:14

>> When you meet someone you never know you

01:29:16

never know what their journey is e or

01:29:17

what they're going through. That's

01:29:18

right. No idea.

01:29:19

>> That's right. And I get a lot of that.

01:29:21

The fans, they go, even a lot of the

01:29:22

kids, well, they're all in their 30s,

01:29:24

late 30s now. All these kids that played

01:29:26

my game, a lot of them are voiceovers,

01:29:28

too. I did the early voiceovers for the

01:29:29

Star Wars games. So, a lot of them

01:29:32

played spent far too long playing video

01:29:35

games. And yeah, so um that's where I

01:29:38

make my numbers up at these conventions.

01:29:40

I'm not only Django Fett, I'm Boba Fett,

01:29:42

I'm the voiceover guy for all the games.

01:29:45

Moana, Chief Tui. And so there's a

01:29:48

variety of things.

01:29:51

>> And every time I get something now, I

01:29:53

think I just voiced something recently,

01:29:55

something for a Lego. And that's the

01:29:58

first thing I thought of. Oh, another

01:29:59

signature. Another autograph.

01:30:02

Oh, another autograph. Someone will buy

01:30:04

the Lego game and want my autograph on

01:30:06

it. That's how I think, oh, Yep. I'll do

01:30:09

it. I'll do it.

01:30:10

>> Another autograph. Well, um, Shana, who

01:30:13

you met just before we came in the

01:30:14

studio, uh, who works here at the Pod

01:30:16

Lab Studios, she's got like a a Star

01:30:18

Wars mouse pad, and she showed you, and

01:30:21

you you offered to sign it. She didn't

01:30:22

even have to ask.

01:30:23

>> Yeah. Yeah. I thought I better sign it.

01:30:25

>> I I noticed that. I acknowledge that cuz

01:30:26

a lot of people in your position just

01:30:28

just wouldn't they wouldn't think to be

01:30:30

proactive, but you do.

01:30:31

>> Yeah. I'm a pro I'm a pro I'm a pro

01:30:34

signature signer. Signature sign. And

01:30:37

the other thing I do is give them every

01:30:38

letter. It's not just a scribble. I give

01:30:41

them the t e m u e r a m o r i s o n b o

01:30:46

b a f e t.

01:30:50

>> Yes. So I give them the thing. Whereas

01:30:52

Mark Hamill is just a M AND A SCRIBBLE

01:30:55

>> and KL sometimes I'm signing with KL

01:30:57

Urban. You know Carl that sign autograph

01:31:01

and I'm wondering why he's beating me

01:31:02

because we have quite even lines too.

01:31:04

His line was about the same as mine. But

01:31:06

he's just going then I went over to have

01:31:07

a look and he just scribbles

01:31:10

>> just one big scribble. That's what I was

01:31:12

wondering. But I give them every letter.

01:31:15

>> Every give them their money's worth.

01:31:17

>> You're so good.

01:31:18

>> Yes.

01:31:20

>> Yeah. What? Why? Jeez. They do they pay

01:31:22

really well those things?

01:31:24

>> Uh

01:31:25

it's depending on what deal you do. You

01:31:27

can either go there and they'll some of

01:31:28

the companies will just pay you an an

01:31:31

appearance fee and you set an amount and

01:31:34

you either take it or you can just take

01:31:37

uh the gamble and just see how it goes.

01:31:40

But if you sometimes I set a reserve so

01:31:43

even if I don't make the reserve, I'm

01:31:45

still going to get some money.

01:31:46

>> Yeah. Good.

01:31:47

>> I I as it's in your best interest to to

01:31:49

go the extra mile and and be really good

01:31:51

and give everyone their moment because

01:31:52

uh it means you'll be invited to more of

01:31:54

these things

01:31:55

>> and they all come back again. Mhm.

01:31:56

>> They will come back again. They'll go

01:31:57

and buy something and come back to have

01:32:00

another 5 minutes of your time with you.

01:32:02

They'll go buy something and they come

01:32:04

back and sometimes they'll come back.

01:32:05

I've had sometime people turn up with a

01:32:07

lot of so because they're all the real

01:32:09

Star Wars fans have not one autograph.

01:32:11

They've got all the stuff ready to sign

01:32:13

posters. Some of them had 10 12 items

01:32:16

popups from the Sometimes other family

01:32:18

members can't come so they bring all

01:32:20

their stuff.

01:32:21

>> Helmets. A lot of helmets now. Boba Fett

01:32:23

helmets.

01:32:24

>> Wow. Yeah.

01:32:25

>> Do do you have any mer Do you have Do

01:32:26

you have like a a like a shrine at home

01:32:28

or

01:32:29

>> nothing? No memorabilia?

01:32:30

>> I got nothing.

01:32:32

>> Not even a movie.

01:32:34

>> Not even a DVD.

01:32:35

>> So if someone walked into your house,

01:32:37

they wouldn't necessarily know it's Tim

01:32:38

Morrison's house.

01:32:39

>> They wouldn't.

01:32:40

>> Why? Why not? You just

01:32:42

>> I don't care. Don't want to worry about

01:32:45

it. I might have a couple of lightsabers

01:32:46

that I keep and I give them to the kids

01:32:48

every time I see a niece or a nephew or

01:32:50

something. Here, take this.

01:32:53

I love that too. But yeah, now I don't

01:32:55

keep that stuff. I don't know why.

01:32:57

>> Not a sentimental person.

01:32:58

>> I think I don't think I can take it up

01:32:59

to wherever we're going. We're going to

01:33:01

another place. I don't think I don't

01:33:03

think I can take the U-Haul truck there

01:33:05

with all my stuff in it. So So yeah, I

01:33:08

just I don't know.

01:33:10

>> Have you been to Skywalker Ranch?

01:33:12

>> Yes.

01:33:13

>> Have you?

01:33:13

>> Yes.

01:33:14

>> What's that like?

01:33:15

>> Amazing. Amazing. Stayed in the Ingred

01:33:19

Bergman suite.

01:33:21

>> Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. Very nice.

01:33:24

Like the king country,

01:33:26

>> like you swear you're in like a like a

01:33:28

Cambridge with the undulating green

01:33:30

elves, but then you're up in this, you

01:33:33

know, then you go to all these different

01:33:34

buildings. You can go up to the main

01:33:36

house like a big Georgian kind of

01:33:39

massive house up there and then you can

01:33:41

drive down the road and there's this the

01:33:43

sound studio which they still work

01:33:48

and all that. So very impressive. Very

01:33:51

impressive. Wow. And are you Oh, so

01:33:53

you're there to work or you there as

01:33:55

>> When I went to the ranch, I wasn't

01:33:57

working, right? I was actually just

01:33:58

doing something. I can't remember what I

01:33:59

was doing, but I wasn't working at time,

01:34:01

>> but I got invited to stay and

01:34:03

everything. So, they looked after me.

01:34:04

Very nice.

01:34:06

>> Unbelievable. God, these are great

01:34:07

stories.

01:34:08

>> What a life. What an experience.

01:34:10

>> Yes. Yes. That's what's life's about,

01:34:12

experiences.

01:34:15

>> And it's still going on. I'm The phone's

01:34:17

just ringing again. Something next year.

01:34:21

Um, which is kind of cool. The producers

01:34:25

on the on the letter I had that I read,

01:34:27

the producers Kevin Costner and Leonardo

01:34:30

DiCaprio. I said, "Oh, gee, those are

01:34:32

big names."

01:34:34

>> Oh, that's nice. You know, they're ex

01:34:36

they're down as executive producers.

01:34:38

>> So, does that mean they'll be there or

01:34:39

are they

01:34:40

>> not necessarily?

01:34:40

>> No.

01:34:41

>> But it's nice to see their name on the

01:34:43

paper. Um

01:34:46

they just what happens is the agents

01:34:48

sort of send you an email say these

01:34:51

people are checking on your

01:34:52

availability.

01:34:54

That's what normally happens.

01:34:56

>> I just say tell them I'm available even

01:34:58

if I'm not. I just say that straight

01:35:00

off. Tell them I'm available

01:35:03

>> and then figure it out.

01:35:04

>> They'll figure it out later.

01:35:06

>> Do you you just like saying yes more

01:35:07

than no?

01:35:08

>> I just say yes to anything and

01:35:09

everything.

01:35:10

>> Just not my podcast.

01:35:11

>> Yeah. But

01:35:13

eventually. But perseverance.

01:35:15

Perseverance. That's what it's all

01:35:17

about.

01:35:18

>> That's the lesson here about

01:35:20

>> this podcast going on so long. No wonder

01:35:22

I didn't say yes to it. It's still

01:35:23

going. Look at this.

01:35:24

>> Okay. Well, it's only an hour 34.

01:35:26

>> What's that?

01:35:27

>> It's been an hour and a half.

01:35:29

>> Oh, that's pretty good. I'm quite

01:35:30

enjoying myself for an hour and a half.

01:35:32

>> Yeah. Do you Yeah. You said before we

01:35:34

came in that you're um Yeah. You just

01:35:36

don't like like talking about yourself.

01:35:38

And just a moment ago when we talked

01:35:39

about you not having any sort of

01:35:41

memorabilia or anything that sort of

01:35:43

>> it sort of describes the sort of person

01:35:45

you are. But

01:35:46

>> I used to give it all to Joe my agent.

01:35:47

He'd always if I had something cool I'd

01:35:49

give it to him and he'd put it in his

01:35:50

office or somewhere.

01:35:52

>> Yeah. And you bought me a couple of

01:35:52

things today like a Star Wars shirt and

01:35:54

a Star Wars watch.

01:35:55

>> Yeah. I thought Yeah. You need that

01:35:56

stuff.

01:35:57

>> Yeah.

01:35:57

>> That's why I was just I always used to

01:35:59

give you a watch. I was looking around

01:36:00

for a watch and there was CPO's watch.

01:36:04

CPO. Do you It's It's funny because I I

01:36:07

remember that because you know Yeah.

01:36:09

You've given me a couple of watches like

01:36:10

we've when we've seen you go you don't

01:36:12

have a watch here have this. It's a

01:36:14

watch.

01:36:15

>> Some brand called Red Monkey goes Yeah.

01:36:17

George Clooney, Brad Pit, all those guys

01:36:18

are wearing them.

01:36:19

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just made that up.

01:36:20

But

01:36:22

>> I've still got I've got them in a box

01:36:24

somewhere at home because they they mean

01:36:25

they mean a lot to me.

01:36:26

>> Japanese guy who used to run the

01:36:27

Japanese one of the Japanese

01:36:28

conventions. He used to sell those Red

01:36:30

Monkey watches. So he'd always give me a

01:36:31

couple. So I give you one.

01:36:33

>> Yeah. Who else? kind of cool cuz they

01:36:34

had the leather the leather.

01:36:36

>> Yeah, the watch worked all right, too.

01:36:38

>> Yeah, but but it was literally the watch

01:36:40

that was on your wrist at the time.

01:36:41

Like, how many people are you giving

01:36:43

You've given me three watches now.

01:36:45

>> Yeah, I got no watch.

01:36:46

>> Who else are you giving watches to,

01:36:47

though?

01:36:48

>> Am I Am I special?

01:36:49

>> Just you, mate. Just you. You're the

01:36:51

only one I've given watches to.

01:36:52

Actually, no one else. I think I made

01:36:54

Graeme got jealous even. Yeah.

01:36:57

>> Yeah. That's how we know each other. A

01:36:58

mutual friend. Graeme Cesia. Wonderful

01:36:59

man.

01:37:00

>> Good friend of both of ours. Um, just

01:37:03

got a few conclusion questions here.

01:37:04

>> Oh, very good. Very good.

01:37:06

>> Um, what's been your hardest personal

01:37:07

battles and how did you get through

01:37:09

them?

01:37:10

>> Um,

01:37:11

>> I I I bring this up because I in

01:37:13

researching for this I watched some of

01:37:15

the um the Tim Morrison show

01:37:17

>> that was that was made and that sort of

01:37:19

painted a picture of a guy that was like

01:37:20

down on his luck.

01:37:21

>> Yeah. Yeah. I didn't

01:37:24

I've never felt like It was supposed to

01:37:25

it wasn't supposed to be like that. But

01:37:27

uh the moment I decided to do that show,

01:37:30

nothing started happening. You know, we

01:37:31

really wanted all the auditions to come

01:37:33

in and take everyone through this

01:37:34

positive thing, but it just ended up

01:37:36

being a nightmare. In fact, yeah,

01:37:38

everything was going was just in a bad

01:37:39

space.

01:37:41

>> Um

01:37:42

just wasn't getting ahead, wasn't paying

01:37:44

the bill. So, it ended up being a bit of

01:37:46

a bit of a depressing show instead of an

01:37:50

uplifting show in a way. But still again

01:37:53

I was quite fascinated with the reality

01:37:55

TV kind of things at the time. The

01:37:57

Kardashians were just coming out at that

01:37:59

time and

01:38:00

>> I thought it might be the new thing. I

01:38:02

always try a new something new something

01:38:05

>> um

01:38:06

>> and you you've always been

01:38:07

self-deprecating like you don't mind

01:38:09

taking the piss out of yourself.

01:38:10

>> Yeah. Like an album. I brought out an

01:38:12

album a singing album. I thought I got a

01:38:14

phone call one day by Sony. Hey, would

01:38:16

you like to sing a song? I thought yeah

01:38:18

why not? Gee, my uncle Howard was a

01:38:20

pretty good singer. Maybe there's

01:38:21

something in there. It was one of those

01:38:23

things. You can sing the first line

01:38:25

pretty quick, but then there's then

01:38:26

there's a whole verse that you got to

01:38:28

get through and the chorus. But

01:38:30

>> yeah, but that was even something else

01:38:32

again. I just tried to do it. See how I

01:38:34

like it

01:38:36

>> and then you know then you know. But um

01:38:38

yeah, that show you're talking about

01:38:40

there was some good parts and some not

01:38:41

so good parts. But

01:38:43

>> yeah. So you what would have been your

01:38:45

hardest personal battle? Is there

01:38:46

anything that stands to mind?

01:38:48

>> Yeah. I'm trying to think.

01:38:50

Well, in our, you know, in our business,

01:38:52

sometimes it's just hard sort of, uh,

01:38:54

there's a lot of periods of time where

01:38:56

you're unemployed. So, you know,

01:38:58

sometimes you have to think about, geez,

01:39:00

I better find a real job sometimes. But,

01:39:03

you know, it's the guess and then

01:39:05

something else will come along. You're

01:39:07

just in the nick of time. So,

01:39:10

>> what about mental health? Has your

01:39:12

mental health been good through the

01:39:13

years?

01:39:14

>> Yeah, I'm okay at the moment.

01:39:15

>> Yeah,

01:39:16

>> at the moment.

01:39:17

>> At the moment. Well, sometimes it's hard

01:39:19

to be positive. You know, you read all

01:39:21

these books and then you kind of get

01:39:23

inspired while you're reading them for a

01:39:25

little. Oh, gee, that's a good little,

01:39:27

you know, uh thing. Um what was I

01:39:30

reading? The little little book um

01:39:35

the hell was it called?

01:39:37

>> Don't sweat. Don't sweat the small

01:39:39

stuff.

01:39:40

>> I just read that again, you know, and it

01:39:42

was good just to uplift again. Don't

01:39:43

sweat the small stuff again. I kind of

01:39:45

uplifting, but then it goes away again.

01:39:47

I really find that you really have to

01:39:48

work at being positive,

01:39:50

>> you know, you really have to work at

01:39:52

that attitude kind of thing and um

01:39:57

cuz sometimes just you know things are

01:39:58

just getting in a bit of a rut I guess

01:40:01

>> you still read those sort of books now.

01:40:02

You you said before you fly a lot best

01:40:05

thing to read on a plane quick reads.

01:40:07

Yeah.

01:40:08

>> But then most of it you've seen it

01:40:09

before you know the monk who sold his

01:40:12

Ferrari and things like that. The

01:40:14

satellite of not giving a [ __ ]

01:40:16

>> Robin Sharma got sick of things. I love

01:40:19

the Polo Coelloo book though. The

01:40:22

Alchemist.

01:40:22

>> Oh yeah.

01:40:23

>> I love the Alchemist. Yeah. When I was

01:40:25

on Earth, I got to a place called Jordan

01:40:28

and a place called Wadi Ram. Um

01:40:32

and it reminded me of being in, you

01:40:34

know, on a, you know, on a caravan with

01:40:36

all the camel riders and all of that.

01:40:38

reminded me of scenes from that book,

01:40:40

>> The Alchemist, where this young boy

01:40:43

>> is, you know, just goes gets out there,

01:40:45

gets on his camel and joins the caravan

01:40:48

and gets out there in the world.

01:40:50

>> Yeah. What was your question again? I'm

01:40:52

trying to figure a better answer.

01:40:53

>> Yeah. Just your your hardest personal

01:40:55

battle.

01:40:55

>> Hardest personal battle.

01:40:58

>> No, I think I'm all good. I'm all good.

01:41:00

Yeah.

01:41:00

>> Yeah. The Alchemist. I've never read The

01:41:01

Alchemist, but I believe I believe Jeff

01:41:03

Jeff Bezos from Amazon. I believe he

01:41:05

reads that every single year.

01:41:06

>> Does he? Yeah. Oh, he's he's done well

01:41:08

from the alchemist. It's sort of my my

01:41:10

favorite book actually probably

01:41:12

>> like in those terms of just being some

01:41:15

>> a lot of life's lessons in there, too.

01:41:18

>> You you still read those books now. You

01:41:20

still like working on self-improvement

01:41:21

and being a bit Yeah. Interesting.

01:41:24

>> Got a big pile of them. Like I still got

01:41:25

to get through.

01:41:27

>> Are are there still roles you'd like to

01:41:29

play or, you know, professional boxes

01:41:31

you want to tick

01:41:33

>> or you just see what comes along?

01:41:34

>> Just see what comes along.

01:41:36

It's a strange industry. Like you can't

01:41:38

you can't plan too much, can you?

01:41:39

>> You can't plan too much. It's uh fickle

01:41:41

as well. It's got tough now. Real tough.

01:41:44

They're not making that much stuff

01:41:45

anymore. I have noticed that Amazon out

01:41:47

there a lot. Apple names you'd never

01:41:50

sort of see and you got a Fox or Studio

01:41:53

kind of backing, you know, Universal

01:41:56

Fox. But yeah, Apple and Amazon are

01:41:59

quite prominent now with content.

01:42:02

>> Um we'll see what comes along. M

01:42:05

>> um I love working at home. We had a

01:42:06

great time. While I was doing Chief of

01:42:08

War, actually doing the Hawaiian one, I

01:42:10

actually had to take

01:42:12

I don't know if you saw it online, there

01:42:13

was this big hucker being performed at

01:42:15

the Chief of War and the All Blacks were

01:42:17

there.

01:42:17

>> Yeah.

01:42:18

>> Uh the ex All Blacks were there. I mean,

01:42:20

Troy Flavl and Eric Rush and all of

01:42:22

them. And it was just a beautiful day.

01:42:24

We had a big day filming a big scene out

01:42:27

in the village kind of thing. And we're

01:42:29

all being Hawaiian, of course, but for

01:42:31

this but uh for this little moment, we

01:42:33

all switched back into into Maldi mode.

01:42:37

And um and I actually started that thing

01:42:40

because the ad I needed 10 days off from

01:42:42

this chief of war so I could go back to

01:42:44

Lotua and film my mates movie. So I

01:42:48

organized this big uh Megan M and I got

01:42:51

Eric and them to do their presentation

01:42:52

first. Then I wanted to thank the AD

01:42:54

because he basically found 10 days where

01:42:56

I could go back to Rodu and work on my

01:42:58

buddy's film. So, so I gave him the big

01:43:00

hucker because he was going home

01:43:01

actually to look after his mom. So I got

01:43:04

everyone together and they put on this

01:43:05

mean hucker. The whole blacks were

01:43:07

there. All the had about a couple

01:43:08

hundred extras. So everyone got into it.

01:43:10

And it was just like one of those

01:43:12

moments where we all sort of broke from

01:43:14

being Hawaiian and went over to the

01:43:16

Maldi side and all did the hucker

01:43:17

together and that kind of uh made our

01:43:21

you know that was the end of our day and

01:43:22

we said thank you to the guy who gave me

01:43:25

10 days but no one knew that. No one

01:43:26

knew that. That was the reason I

01:43:28

started. I said I got to thank this guy.

01:43:30

So I was able to go home and work on

01:43:32

fighting then then that's a bus too

01:43:34

finally going home and working in our

01:43:36

own language now

01:43:38

>> um you know all the way through even

01:43:40

through the filming don't hear action I

01:43:42

hear

01:43:45

and I s too much right you know then

01:43:49

then my the lunch would turn up my

01:43:51

cousins on catering what's for lunch

01:43:53

today cuz got the boil up you know

01:43:56

things you wouldn't normally see a boil

01:43:58

up on on a Hollywood movie Yeah. But

01:44:01

yeah, just things like that. It was just

01:44:02

really quite um Oh, just way cool, you

01:44:06

know, and Don Sen was a big part of that

01:44:09

movement too where we're making things

01:44:11

in our own language and making it in a

01:44:13

moldy way, you know, with all the

01:44:14

instructions and the corridors too. So,

01:44:16

we had a wonderful experience. Actually,

01:44:18

I'm up for best supporting actor

01:44:21

>> in a couple of weeks for the Kafonu.

01:44:25

>> Oh, amazing. And I also appeared on a TV

01:44:28

show called End of the Valley

01:44:31

and I'm up for best supporting actor for

01:44:33

that as well. And also best actor in the

01:44:37

Red Indian um awards, Kafon is doing

01:44:41

very well in America and has a lot of

01:44:43

screenings in some of these indigenous

01:44:45

areas. So that's been very good. So,

01:44:48

>> and Chief of Wars, hopefully we're going

01:44:49

to they're going to start putting that

01:44:51

up for some some um notability

01:44:56

acknowledgement or something like that,

01:44:58

too. So,

01:44:59

>> I'm sure you like to win awards because

01:45:00

you're only human, but do you do you

01:45:02

care about awards? Do you do you have

01:45:03

any at home?

01:45:04

>> No, nothing. They're all in a box in the

01:45:06

garage.

01:45:07

>> Yeah,

01:45:08

>> you're a cracker.

01:45:08

>> All my awards that I won, best actor way

01:45:11

back there, they're all in a box

01:45:12

actually somewhere. Actually, don't even

01:45:13

know where the box is. I might pull them

01:45:15

out one day, see what I won.

01:45:17

see what I won.

01:45:18

>> When you when you look back over your

01:45:19

life, what are you most proud of

01:45:21

professionally and personally?

01:45:30

I don't know.

01:45:38

You know, when you work, you I'm just

01:45:40

always grateful for the work really. you

01:45:42

know, the director's gone out of his

01:45:43

way, looked at everybody and chose me to

01:45:46

work on his film. So, I always humbled

01:45:50

by that.

01:45:51

>> I think that's the lesson. I think I

01:45:52

just tried to be a little bit more

01:45:55

humble now.

01:45:57

Not that we're well known for us fellows

01:45:59

on Roto. We're the Towa tribe.

01:46:04

the

01:46:06

they have a saying down there

01:46:11

which means uh literally

01:46:14

the big mouth

01:46:16

blow hard or something could mean that

01:46:19

but um

01:46:20

>> were you ever a blowhard?

01:46:22

>> No, but we like to say it's more uh ti

01:46:27

more kind of great oratorus. We kind of

01:46:31

interpret it that way that they make

01:46:32

great oratorus or there's another flash

01:46:35

word something like loquaciousness or

01:46:37

something like that considered

01:46:39

loquacious

01:46:40

but then it goes on the saying goes on

01:46:44

I think it came from these two chiefs

01:46:47

having a little bit of a debate and one

01:46:50

called outu

01:46:52

you're boastful or something then he

01:46:53

replied of one mind and unmovable

01:46:58

so yeah that was his reply Yes.

01:47:03

You have one mind

01:47:05

and unmovable.

01:47:06

>> Okay. The phone's really

01:47:07

>> Are you Do you want to get that?

01:47:08

>> No. No. It's all good.

01:47:09

>> Is that Is that your partner?

01:47:10

>> Yeah, it's all good. Yeah.

01:47:12

>> Do you've been together a while? Have

01:47:12

you ever been married?

01:47:14

>> No, I haven't been married.

01:47:15

>> Do Do you want to get married one day or

01:47:16

>> too young?

01:47:19

One of the last chapters in your book. I

01:47:20

was reading that yesterday. It's um

01:47:22

there's a chapter.

01:47:23

>> I miss out that chapter. Yes. Yes. Uh it

01:47:25

starts with um I've let down too many

01:47:27

women in my life for the simple reason

01:47:28

that they are my weakness. Um

01:47:31

>> yeah there's a thing in Maui called mate

01:47:33

wah mate wah mate means death wah woman

01:47:40

mate wah or sickness could also mean

01:47:44

sickness.

01:47:47

Yeah, but you've been to say about I've

01:47:49

met your party. You've been with her for

01:47:50

a while,

01:47:50

>> eh?

01:47:52

>> Yeah.

01:47:53

>> Yeah.

01:47:53

>> She's she's not applying the pressure to

01:47:55

get married.

01:47:56

>> Um, no, I don't think so.

01:47:58

>> Yeah.

01:47:59

>> How How do you personally define success

01:48:01

these days?

01:48:02

>> Um, that's my daughter now. Success.

01:48:05

>> Do you want you want to get it? Get it

01:48:06

on speaker if you want. No, no, it's all

01:48:07

good. Okay.

01:48:09

Um,

01:48:14

I think

01:48:18

I think it's to do with um, you know,

01:48:20

where you're at really. I think success

01:48:23

is um

01:48:25

is very good but I think it's more about

01:48:29

uh

01:48:34

you know when you do

01:48:36

I think I like to inspire people in a

01:48:39

way you know because

01:48:41

>> because you know I'm one of the ones

01:48:43

that got out there really sort of left

01:48:45

the village and sort of went out there

01:48:47

in the world so so I think that's been

01:48:50

quite

01:48:52

successful for me that I've, you know,

01:48:53

actually left home

01:48:56

>> and I got out in the world and gave

01:48:58

everything a good shakeup.

01:49:01

>> So, I'm kind of proud of that that I did

01:49:03

that and uh and then you can come home

01:49:06

again. We always end up coming home,

01:49:07

don't we?

01:49:08

>> But then when we do come home, I think

01:49:10

we can look at it a new light, too. We

01:49:12

can discover your own home

01:49:14

>> more so because you've traveled a lot, I

01:49:16

think, if you know what I mean. You

01:49:18

know, after traveling a lot, you learn

01:49:20

to appreciate what we have here. Even in

01:49:23

this Earth Oven show that I've been

01:49:24

doing, too. You know, I get emotional at

01:49:27

the end of the show because it reminded

01:49:28

me of being with my family. You know,

01:49:30

way back when we were all growing up.

01:49:31

You know, the Donim dynamics have

01:49:33

changed a little bit now. The family's

01:49:35

all growing up and we've all gone our

01:49:37

different ways now. But, you know, back

01:49:38

when you're growing up, we're all just

01:49:40

young and and just everything's open and

01:49:43

free and we're alive and everything's

01:49:46

exciting and

01:49:48

and um I don't know what I'm talking

01:49:50

about now. This maybe I'm talking too

01:49:53

much.

01:49:54

>> No, never too much. But then, you know,

01:49:56

it's just um I think that's what I'm

01:49:59

proud of that I've sort of

01:50:01

>> got up and given it a go and then

01:50:04

and now I come back home and sort of

01:50:06

just appreciate, you know, even when I

01:50:07

go back to the farm now, you know, it's

01:50:09

all a bit different. You know, not many

01:50:11

of us get back because we're all sort of

01:50:13

living busy lifestyles now. M

01:50:16

>> sometimes you want to go back to that

01:50:17

childhood kind of innocence where

01:50:20

everyone got together and there was but

01:50:22

we all grow up and two adults and have

01:50:24

dynamics

01:50:26

some good some bad.

01:50:28

>> So yeah

01:50:29

>> you yeah you you lost your dad at 14 so

01:50:31

he never got to see any of this. Um yeah

01:50:34

what what would he make of the man

01:50:36

sitting in front of me now? Yeah, I

01:50:37

think he would be quite proud actually

01:50:38

because he always used to say when I we

01:50:40

when we did see him, he was out quite a

01:50:42

lot. Our father, he always used to say,

01:50:45

"Be somebody, boy. Be somebody.

01:50:47

>> Be somebody." So, I guess I did become

01:50:51

somebody jango fat, you know, character.

01:50:55

>> Do you think um Do you think he'd be

01:50:56

more proud of um these roles or the fact

01:50:59

that you go to these comic cons and you

01:51:00

sit there and you give everyone five

01:51:02

minutes of your time?

01:51:03

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,

01:51:04

>> but you're the I suppose what I'm saying

01:51:06

is that the fact that you you're just a

01:51:07

good man with a good heart.

01:51:09

>> Yeah. You know, I go to these cons and I

01:51:11

see the other stars like Hayden

01:51:13

Christensen. He was in the Attack of the

01:51:14

Clones with me and his lines are

01:51:16

incredible cuz he plays Darth Vader and

01:51:19

like he has a little private little tent

01:51:23

going on in the whole room and he his

01:51:25

lines go out the building.

01:51:27

Unbelievable lines. Double line and and

01:51:29

sometimes he has to stay late just to

01:51:31

get all this just to get every They're

01:51:33

all pre-sold, too. A lot of them are

01:51:34

pre-sold.

01:51:35

>> So, just to get everything done, he's

01:51:36

still in the he's the last one in in the

01:51:38

building with the security.

01:51:40

>> And then one hour later, I'll see him in

01:51:42

the airport with me and I see, oh,

01:51:45

there's hated. And there's no line.

01:51:47

>> He's just another

01:51:49

>> just a man,

01:51:50

>> just another

01:51:52

making his way through the galaxy.

01:51:54

There's no one chasing him around the

01:51:55

airport. And I'm so so we go I don't

01:51:58

know what I'm saying with that, but we

01:51:59

go from this convention hall surrounded

01:52:03

by people, everyone wanting a little bit

01:52:05

of you or an autograph to the airport

01:52:08

and no one knows who you are.

01:52:11

>> And I just find that strange sometimes.

01:52:14

Okay. See the next and he just walk

01:52:17

around by himself.

01:52:18

>> Yeah, it's a strange ju position. Just

01:52:20

just just humans trying to catch a

01:52:22

flight. Yeah, there are times when I

01:52:24

arrive at the airport and there's Boba

01:52:26

Fett fans waiting outside the where you

01:52:28

exit the plane and they're following me

01:52:30

all the way to the luggage and I'm

01:52:32

signing stuff. These are the these are

01:52:35

the ones that are there on selling

01:52:37

stuff. They've got stuff for you to

01:52:39

sign, but you know they're going to make

01:52:40

some money off you. So, they just hang

01:52:42

around. So, I'm hoping like, oh, my

01:52:44

luggage is coming out quickly, otherwise

01:52:45

I'm stuck with these clowns or blah

01:52:47

blah.

01:52:48

>> Does that bother you? I know some

01:52:49

celebrities get really wound up about

01:52:50

that.

01:52:51

>> Yes. Yeah. Sometimes it does because

01:52:53

you're just tired, you just fly, you

01:52:54

just want to get back to the hotel. But

01:52:57

>> do you think about legacy at all? Is

01:52:58

that

01:52:59

>> No, don't care.

01:53:01

>> No.

01:53:03

>> Um, regrets? Any regrets?

01:53:07

>> No. No regrets?

01:53:08

>> No.

01:53:10

>> Are you you like yourself? Are you

01:53:11

someone that you'd want to have a beer

01:53:12

with? You like who you are?

01:53:14

>> Yep. I think so. Yeah.

01:53:16

>> I can have a beer with myself. Even by

01:53:17

myself,

01:53:18

>> I'm quite happy. Yep. I'm quite happy by

01:53:21

myself. You you like you like

01:53:22

>> I could chat to myself too

01:53:25

because I'll talk to myself

01:53:27

>> but you like you like who you see when

01:53:28

you when you look in the mirror when

01:53:29

you're having a [ __ ] but rough in the

01:53:31

morning these days. Bit rough bit but

01:53:32

rough bit rough in the mornings

01:53:35

and spluts but you know everything's

01:53:37

working okay at the moment.

01:53:38

>> Yeah.

01:53:39

>> Yeah.

01:53:40

>> Are you proud of yourself?

01:53:42

>> Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

01:53:43

>> Just quietly.

01:53:44

>> Yeah.

01:53:45

>> We don't like to say it too loud though,

01:53:47

but just quietly.

01:53:48

>> Yeah.

01:53:49

Well, your phone's been pinging off. Uh,

01:53:51

>> yeah. I don't know what they don't know

01:53:52

what's going on.

01:53:53

>> You wanted to leave by reading out um

01:53:55

>> Yeah, I got something on my phone. Just

01:53:57

something that really really stood out

01:53:59

for me.

01:54:00

>> Yeah. What's the significance of this?

01:54:02

>> Well, it's just something that really

01:54:05

I don't know. It's the man in the arena.

01:54:07

It appears every now and then, even in

01:54:09

the 911, I think one of the guys who

01:54:12

tried to

01:54:14

stop the planeful thing had this on his

01:54:16

desk. Theodore Roosevelt wrote it. Shall

01:54:19

I read it out? You've heard seen it

01:54:20

before.

01:54:21

>> Go ahead.

01:54:21

>> But it's about it's not the critic, the

01:54:24

man in the arena. It is not the critic

01:54:26

who counts, not the man who points out

01:54:29

how the strong man stumbles or where the

01:54:32

duo of deeds could have done them

01:54:34

better. The credit belongs to the man

01:54:37

who is actually in the arena whose face

01:54:41

is marred by dust and sweat and blood.

01:54:45

Who strives valiantly.

01:54:48

Who comes short again and again because

01:54:51

there is no effort without error and

01:54:53

shortcoming. But who does actually

01:54:56

strive to do the deeds? Who knows great

01:54:59

enthusiasm, the great devotions, who

01:55:02

spends himself in a worthy cause, who at

01:55:06

the best knows in the end the triumph of

01:55:09

high achievement, and who at the worst,

01:55:12

if he fails, at least fails while daring

01:55:15

greatly, so that his place shall never

01:55:19

be with those cold and timid souls who

01:55:22

neither know victory nor defeat.

01:55:25

So I guess for me it's about sometimes

01:55:28

that's me. I'm the guy who actually got

01:55:30

in the arena.

01:55:31

>> I'm the guy who gets in there who

01:55:33

sweats, who cries,

01:55:36

might be blood, but that's what that's

01:55:38

about. It's about trying.

01:55:41

It's about taking that step forward.

01:55:43

It's about getting off your chair,

01:55:46

about getting off your chair, making

01:55:48

that one step forward towards your goal

01:55:51

or towards whatever you want to achieve.

01:55:54

And then even if you don't make it, even

01:55:56

if you don't make that goal, the

01:55:58

distance you've traveled is still better

01:56:01

than the guy who's sitting there

01:56:04

criticizing you,

01:56:07

>> criticizing, oh blood.

01:56:09

>> And we get a bit of that in life, you

01:56:11

know, who the hell does, you know, that

01:56:12

tall top,

01:56:14

who the hell does he think he is, you

01:56:15

know, things like that. But, you know,

01:56:17

those are the ones, those are the

01:56:18

critics. So, you got to get off your

01:56:20

seat, Daniel. You got to go for it. You

01:56:22

got to go for it. Don't worry about the

01:56:23

critic who's just sitting there because

01:56:24

they never know anyway.

01:56:26

>> It's Yeah, it's it's a it's a really old

01:56:28

quote that one, but it's never been more

01:56:31

important because the weak and timid

01:56:32

that you're talking about now are

01:56:33

actually the people that are writing

01:56:35

comments online

01:56:37

not doing anything.

01:56:38

>> They just want to criticize. They just

01:56:39

want to criticize. And also, it's about

01:56:41

the arena. So, it's kind of kind of got

01:56:43

that gladiator thing about it, which is

01:56:45

the other one I loved in uh in the

01:56:47

movie, the gladiator. I think Russell

01:56:49

Cro says it right at the beginning when

01:56:51

he's riing, you know, revving his troops

01:56:53

up. They've sent the messenger out, but

01:56:56

the messenger comes back with no head

01:56:58

and he has to make that speech about

01:57:00

it's what you do in this life

01:57:04

>> that will echo into eternity. M

01:57:07

>> and I love that one too because that

01:57:08

reminds me of a marai situation where

01:57:11

you go to a tangi a funeral on the marai

01:57:14

and our old people stand up with their

01:57:16

talking sticks their toko and they

01:57:19

recite the genealogy they tell people of

01:57:22

the deeds that this person has done you

01:57:24

know while they're lying there it's on

01:57:26

the marai so really it's what you do in

01:57:29

this life that will be echoed on the mai

01:57:32

on your courtyard you know and so that's

01:57:34

why I try and tell some of the young

01:57:35

people, you know, do something. I think

01:57:38

my father instilled that in me a little

01:57:40

bit, just to do something and and get

01:57:43

out there and give it a go and then and

01:57:45

then that's what I said earlier and I

01:57:47

always tried something in a way then you

01:57:49

know or don't know.

01:57:51

>> So inspiring.

01:57:53

Timmy Morrison, how's this podcast

01:57:56

experience been for you?

01:57:58

>> It's been wonderful, Dom, and I must

01:58:00

apologize that I didn't get here in

01:58:02

2023,

01:58:04

but it's better. It's better. I'm ready.

01:58:06

I'm ready for it now. It's a lot better.

01:58:08

Dom,

01:58:08

>> it's worth the wait, mate. Thank you for

01:58:10

being so so generous with your time and

01:58:11

your experiences. I know there's a

01:58:13

million places you'd rather be right

01:58:15

right here and now than here talking

01:58:17

about yourself. Um, but I I genuinely

01:58:19

appreciate you doing it and it's been

01:58:20

well worth the wait.

01:58:21

>> Thank you, Dom. Thank you very much. My

01:58:23

pleasure, brother.

01:58:24

>> C, my friend. C, brother.

In this episode, the conversation flows like a river of nostalgia and laughter as Tim Morrison joins the podcast, sharing tales from his colorful life and career. From his humble beginnings in Rotorua to becoming a household name, Tim reflects on the journey that has shaped him. He discusses the challenges of breaking into the acting scene, the emotional weight of his roles, and the importance of perseverance in the face of adversity.

Listeners are treated to behind-the-scenes anecdotes from iconic films like "Once Were Warriors" and the "Star Wars" franchise, where Tim's portrayal of Jango Fett left an indelible mark on pop culture. His genuine humility shines through as he recounts the unexpected connections he makes with fans at conventions, emphasizing the significance of those brief encounters.

As the conversation unfolds, Tim reveals his thoughts on legacy, success, and the importance of being present for his children. His reflections on family, culture, and the shared experiences that unite us all resonate deeply, reminding us of the power of storytelling. With humor and heart, Tim Morrison proves that the journey is just as important as the destination, leaving listeners inspired and uplifted.

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Episode Highlights

Cultural Connections through Food
Tim discusses his new show 'Earth Oven', exploring global cooking traditions and cultural sharing.
“It's not so much about the eating but more about the sharing of culture.”
@ 05m 32s
January 25, 2026
Musical Upbringing
Growing up in a musical family, we sang for our dad and embraced our culture.
“A lot of love, a lot of singing especially on the Morrison side.”
@ 19m 48s
January 25, 2026
Loss of a Father
Losing my dad at 14 was a pivotal moment, shaping my responsibilities.
“It’s a horrible time losing your dad.”
@ 25m 04s
January 25, 2026
The Journey to Jake
Originally considered for Uncle Bully, the actor reflects on how he became Jake.
“It's just funny how it worked out.”
@ 35m 30s
January 25, 2026
Emotional Impact of the Role
The role of Jake was intense and had lasting psychological effects.
“You unlock something. Your brain doesn’t know what’s real and what’s acting.”
@ 47m 42s
January 25, 2026
A Leap of Faith
Leaving a secure job for Hollywood was a big decision, but he felt ready.
“Sometimes you just got to make that decision to go for that.”
@ 54m 56s
January 25, 2026
Awkward Moment with Michael Jackson
A brief encounter with Michael Jackson left him starstruck and a bit embarrassed.
“I was just staring like an idiot.”
@ 01h 06m 02s
January 25, 2026
A Father's Love for His Kids
Sharing the joy and challenges of being a present dad at different life stages.
“There’s nothing like that feeling really where they’re just hugging you.”
@ 01h 16m 47s
January 25, 2026
The Impact of a Simple Gesture
A heartfelt story about how a small act of kindness made a lasting impression.
“Sometimes I get home after a convention...”
@ 01h 26m 24s
January 25, 2026
Memories of Skywalker Ranch
Tim shares his amazing experience at Skywalker Ranch, highlighting its beauty and significance.
“Amazing. Amazing. Stayed in the Ingred Bergman suite.”
@ 01h 33m 13s
January 25, 2026
The Alchemist's Influence
Discussing the impact of 'The Alchemist' and its life lessons.
“It’s sort of my favorite book actually probably.”
@ 01h 41m 12s
January 25, 2026
The Man in the Arena
A powerful quote by Theodore Roosevelt about the importance of striving and effort.
“It's not the critic who counts, but the man in the arena.”
@ 01h 54m 24s
January 25, 2026

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