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Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey

October 24, 2022 / 01:16:45

This episode features Samuel Tanner, the fastest man in New Zealand over 1500 meters, discussing his running career, training, and personal life. Tanner shares insights on his training regimen, coaching philosophy, and experiences at the Olympics and upcoming Commonwealth Games.

Samuel Tanner, 21, talks about his upbringing in Papamoa, New Zealand, where he developed a passion for running and other sports like skateboarding and surfing. He mentions his coach Craig Kirkwood, who encourages cross-training and has been instrumental in his development as an athlete.

Tanner reflects on his Olympic experience in Tokyo, where he felt proud despite not advancing past the heats. He emphasizes the importance of mental health and the support he receives from friends and family, including his wife Melissa.

The conversation also touches on Tanner's goals for the future, including breaking John Walker's mile record and competing at the World Championships. He discusses the challenges of balancing training with personal life and the significance of faith in his journey.

Listeners gain a deeper understanding of Tanner's dedication to running, his competitive spirit, and the camaraderie he shares with fellow athletes like Hayden Wild and Nick Willis.

TL;DR

Samuel Tanner discusses his running career, Olympic experiences, and personal life, emphasizing training, mental health, and future goals.

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Runners only with dom Harvey and one of

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the baddest men on the New Zealand track

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at the moment Samuel Tanner morning mate

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how you doing getting nice and close to

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that microphone um Sam was just asking

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me who made the theme song

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it's this American kid on an app called

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Fiverr that's awesome yeah it's so good

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it's slaps hey it's a great tune yeah

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that's awesome I can't believe it what a

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kid hey um really nice to be in your

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house today getting nice and close to

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that microphone there we go how about

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that

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so I arrived at your house in papamoa

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um what's the nickname for it like um

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not Leisure land or what's that

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oh my God it is um it's the craziest

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place you've got a skate Bowl here three

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trampolines

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um how many three Caravans yeah yeah my

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brother's coding one so yeah he's doing

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one up and I don't know how many

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surfboards yeah I don't know either so

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you just you and you and your dad and

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your brother just build everything yeah

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yeah Dad's the dad's been the

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inspiration for that but um yeah it's

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pretty clever so he's been teaching us a

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fair bit over the years so you're um

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because of what you do with running like

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you're a

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I mean you're not nervous to do other

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things as in I'm thinking in particular

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the skateboarding and the trampolining

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yeah

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that I used it on the on the skateboard

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and The Traps

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um but no no I value

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um getting a good time and rather than

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just looking down yeah a good balance I

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think is pretty key to being a good

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runner so you you'll coach um like Craig

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Kirkwood he's never been like oh I'd

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rather you didn't do skateboarding or no

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he's pretty good he actually encourages

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me to do a lot a lot of it like he's

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like yep make sure you get your your

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cross training in and uh he's you know

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we used to joke about actually put

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prescribing surfing into my training

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into the actual training schedule I'm

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like oh sweet I gotta go first so like

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it's a must I'm like sweet gotta do it

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so um okay so let's talk about you so

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you're um how are you now 21 21 21

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fastest man in New Zealand over 1500

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meters correct yeah you rent a sub four

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minute mile when you're still a teenager

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yeah yeah first I think I think it was

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the first teenager um in New Zealand

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history to run sub for in the mile yeah

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it's [ __ ] insane yeah it's pretty

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nuts so you we how old were you when you

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started running uh I grew up running uh

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kids Athletics when I was like five

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right and and did that for fun um never

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trained or anything but then probably

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started training with Craig when I was

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17. and that's kind of a short of a

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little more extended as I did cross

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countries throughout school um got good

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got a um you know one national title and

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then got some creepy old dudes jumping

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into my inbox in uh on Facebook

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Messenger asking me if they if I want to

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come to the other side of the world and

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come visit them and I'm like what but uh

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oh no I like um yeah like American

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scholarships and things

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okay so you so you just um so so you so

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you're a kid and you're running and

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you're just naturally naturally good

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naturally fast is that is that pretty

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much the longest yeah yeah thanks mum

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yeah why thanks mum yeah oh mum was fast

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oh was she yeah mum was quitting pretty

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quick

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um and then Dad was probably pretty

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determined and did some longer

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triathlons and stuff just for fun

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um but yeah that's probably where I get

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it from so it's just sort of in the

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jeans yeah I'd like to I'd like to say

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so yeah but I feel like I'm like seeing

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the setup you've got here and the sort

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of the lifestyle you're living yeah with

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the skateboarding and the trampoline and

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the surfing I feel like you would have

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been good at probably any sport you sort

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of put your mind to yeah I was pretty I

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was admitted to Tim and Ken like um Dad

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would always say like oh he'd he'd like

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put himself you know make himself suffer

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and like how did he say something

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extreme like he'd kill himself before he

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came second and you know I'm like oh

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yeah probably true especially when I was

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younger like I was like oh I think back

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I'm like man how do I put myself in the

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box kind of a worse now but do you like

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that though do you like do you like um

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you like making yourself hurt yeah yeah

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it's a bit addicting

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um yeah yeah definitely yeah I feel like

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um because I had your

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um one of your training Partners um

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Hayden wild the triathlete on the

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podcast earlier this year and he was

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talking about how how hard like you guys

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push each other at training and and he

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said how you've managed to pull yourself

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back and do what your coach tells you to

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so your coach tells you it's an easy run

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you go easy yeah but do you guys just

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love juking it out and going handy yeah

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we often don't like like try to beat

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each other but we definitely push each

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other like there'll be mornings where

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we're just like one of us is feeling

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good and the other one's like kind of my

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suffering especially this is often how

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it goes in longer reps because I'll be

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feeling good at the start and feeling

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fast and so I'll push Hayden when it's

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speed and then you know at the end of

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the session he'll be like coming through

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with strength and I'll be like hanging

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on for dear life and then we'll both end

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up on our back you know on the grass at

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the end on you know like we do a 7 A.M

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session

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um on the road and so it'll be just be

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cooked on the grass afterwards and

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Craig's just like there taking a photo

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of us laughing at us you dick yeah so

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what makes um what makes Craig Kirkwood

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such a good coach

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oh he's just the best he's just the best

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I don't know he's got some magic magic

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fingers magic mind um but no he he

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really really cares for us um and so

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pays a lot of tension pays a lot of

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attention to our like life as well as um

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just training so not just training so um

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yeah he he's pretty good at prescribing

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stuff based off how we feel

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um and then he's I think he's just had a

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really

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um vast experience you know just with

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Triathlon with ultra stuff

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um with track you know went to uh don't

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let me screw this up uh

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Oklahoma University

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yeah not University of Oklahoma Oklahoma

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University

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um that arrivals you see sir you'd be

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insulted

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um so yeah he you know pull it pulling

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pulling from all of those different um

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areas he's

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he's just got you know and in post

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collegiately too like he's just been

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around some of the best coaches best

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agents

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um especially in track and field

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um so yeah it's just good because I've

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had um I've had another guy on the

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podcast called Arch jelly who was like

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the lifelong coach of um John Walker who

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did the same distance as you yeah

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um do you do you feel like your

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relationship I mean it's probably hard

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to tell from where you're sitting now in

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the age right now but do you do you from

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where you're sitting here and now do you

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can you see him being your lifelong

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coach yeah I think so yeah totally

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totally we never get to the point where

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where he comes to you and says listen

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I'm sorry Sam I've done everything I can

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you need someone else now yeah no I I

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know I think that um you know kind of

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like Ron is with Nick Willis I think

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that Craig will be for me like we're

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going to probably get to the point where

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he knows you know he's going to be my

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coach hopefully forever and unless I do

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something stupid and he starts to hate

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me I don't see why that would happen

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maybe I fall off skating or something

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well I think the whole world would hate

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me then but um

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anyway

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um yeah that's what I was getting at

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before like there's um I don't know I I

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don't feel like you you seem to

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necessarily feel it or maybe you've just

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got this ability to block it out but

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there'd be a lot of people like high

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performance sport people that are

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seriously [ __ ] off if you break a call

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away yeah yeah I think so I'm like you

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know what if I fall off like get over it

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I'm like I'm not having to deal with it

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I love running I'm addicted to it so

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it's uh yeah it's definitely yeah

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whatever it is what it is yeah so what

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is um what is your addiction with

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running uh like do you is it just

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because you're you're good at it that

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you enjoy it so much or what partly man

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I like I can go for a long run and uh if

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you get rolling I'm just like oh I just

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sometimes the Melissa my wife comes for

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a bike with me while I long run and I'm

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like oh man I love this sport like I'm

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just flying sometimes we pass bikers who

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were like oh I feel a bit bad I think

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this bike is here biking into a headwind

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and I'm like see yeah because What's um

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what would be like an average um week

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for you an average week of training what

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does it look like in terms of K's

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probably uh you know between 100 and 120

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um maybe if I'm racing maybe a little

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less but uh that's probably

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um where I'm at at the moment there's

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probably some more room for growth I

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don't know what naughty tricks Craig set

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up his sleeve for next year but uh

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um yeah this this is the first time of

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the last two weeks that he's he's pulled

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out the old uh double workout and I'm

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like oh you're psycho who doesn't double

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work out what do you mean like so two

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workouts in a day yeah so one in the

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morning one in the afternoon yeah and

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what does each session look like oh well

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the the last two weeks we've done it um

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without giving away too many Craig

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Secrets we've done a strength workout in

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the morning and so that'll be like a

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Tempo six you know four or six k

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um like not like a light Tempo either

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like it's pretty fast

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um you know like three minute case or

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below

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um and then in the evening we've got

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like some brutal speed stuff that I'm

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like man Craig this session would be

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hard without the speed stuff without the

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strength in the morning I'm like oh my

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goodness so yeah so whatever it's been

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really good though for strength and

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um hopefully It prepares me well for

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worlds yeah so it's a win of the world

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so they pre-commonworth games or post

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Commonwealth Games yeah free pre-com

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games uh 16th 17th and 19th of July okay

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so we're recording this in um late June

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so you've got the worlds I mean what's

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more important are they both equally

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important well I think it depends who

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you are

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um for me I think like worlds is a

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bigger deal

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um but com games is a bigger deal in New

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Zealand's eyes okay why are the world's

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a bigger artist because it's just the

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world right you've got especially in

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distance running like you're going to

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get more probably more media if you win

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World Championships um in terms of like

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us media and growth like public figure

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growth I guess

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um than a few win comp games because but

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in New Zealand you know you're going to

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get probably on the news if you win com

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games 100 which is like yeah maybe

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hopefully

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yeah yeah so um yeah so what is the

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expectation going to these events like

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you're probably at like Peak Fitness now

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um like have you have you discussed it

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with uh you know your Craig coach or

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have you got a feeling about how you're

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going to go uh I'd like to like

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I've been I've had a good season so far

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I've went to the US for five weeks

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um of April May

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um and so that was fun

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um but I beat a couple of quite a few

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good guys really really high quality

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world-class athletes and so it's going

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to be exciting to race you know them as

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well as other guys who I haven't raced

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yet um on that world stage

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um and so I I want to make the final

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like I didn't um necessarily meet my

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expectations in Tokyo last year or maybe

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not my expectations I didn't really have

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any but

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um more so my ability you know reach my

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potential I want to say um and so that'd

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be nice to to make the final and you

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know if you know never know with the

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1500 you could come away with the middle

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like if you're on the right the same

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Race 10 different times I could meddle

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once and not even make the final you

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know nine other times which is like the

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craziest part yeah there's so much I

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wanna I wanna I wanna ask you about this

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first of all I guess um like what's the

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difference for you between a good racing

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address in terms of what's a what's a

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what's it like a dream time scenario and

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what is totally [ __ ] the beard in

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terms of time yeah yeah yeah all right

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well a dream like this year so so John

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Walker's New Zealand mile record is 349

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and I want to break that

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um whether it's this year Craig reckons

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I can do it this year and so if I get in

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the right situation

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um on the right race I'd have to be a

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mile obviously but um 349 would be or

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348 because that's pretty sure it's 349

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like oh

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um so 348 would be like crazy and I'd be

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like just ecstatic with that I'm just

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like whoa that was crazy

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um but in terms of 1500 I would like to

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run low 330s

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um and

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crap in the bid would be like I don't

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know

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if I ran 350 for something oh

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embarrassing but uh yeah I mean it could

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be technical yeah yeah that is true

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that's you're still like rolling you're

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still flying yeah in fact I'm just I'm

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just trying to think so um if you do a

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mile that's like four laps of the of the

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track yeah uh if you and me start at the

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same time even that's only four laps you

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would literally lap me well how long

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have you in a mile in but well right no

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I haven't but I could I reckon um I did

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some 1K repeats last week in like 320.

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oh no oh and I reckon you'd give me

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you'd let me I'm nice

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oh I don't know because you'd run five

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minutes

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yeah would you run five minutes

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what is that it's a it's a for the mile

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so the four laps five minutes roughly

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75. yeah five minutes maybe just over

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five minutes 75s

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yeah yeah

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that's why um I've been asked to go on

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some like like 5K events which is like

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12 and a half laps or the 10K events on

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the track not with not with like good

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guys like you but just like I mean good

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guys good guys but not but the the fear

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of being left is just too great oh yeah

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that's why I don't do any 5Ks yeah yeah

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I'm like I could jump out of world class

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five can get lap twice like especially

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because my 5K PBS oh we're nearest like

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craziest you know they're running like

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12 something 12 50 something yeah what

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would you do for five thousand like

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you'd definitely be sub 14. oh I mean

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technically my pb's only like 14 10.

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right

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um but I did that early October and I

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was kind of uh I was pacing my mate

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Russell and so that was that was fun um

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but I think Craig thinks I can be like a

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1320 guy probably God there's there's

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not a pack run in the world on a

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Saturday morning that you wouldn't win

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no yeah probably not

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will you um do you ever like oh

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um yeah so talking about the the 1500

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100 meters like at the commonwealth

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games in the world games

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um like how much that goes into it on

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the day like if you're if you're there

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and you're at Peak Fitness and you know

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you can run a good time is the uh sort

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of like a certainty that you'll Podium

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or is there still a lot of luck that

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goes into it in the strategy of the race

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oh yeah it's I think it comes down to a

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lot of experience but man I think as a

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youngster you're kind of fluking it

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sometimes say like you're like oh we'll

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just play the play my cards like this

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and see what happens

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um but so you just to roll the dice and

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be like oh well nope didn't make that

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one

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um but yeah so I think you can prep and

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you can understand

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um you know who's in your race what they

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are likely to do and study it as well as

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you can that's one thing I've been

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working on um with Craig especially like

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becoming more of a student of the sport

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and because in the past I'm like hey I'm

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just running it's like it's just running

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it's one foot in front of me it's kind

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of a lame sport when you think about it

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like just we just like especially track

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on it you're on circles aren't you you

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run for three minutes and go nowhere oh

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yeah in terms of um in terms of the

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spectator sport I reckon it's the most

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boring thing yet if you have run those

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distances yourself and you know what's I

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feel like it's like golf I used to hate

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watching golf yeah I started playing

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golf myself and you realize how

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difficult it is you can watch golf yeah

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no but you when you've had to go

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yourself and you realize how difficult

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it is oh totally you have a new

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appreciation of what these guys do dogs

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are so hard it's the same with them like

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Track Running isn't swatching people run

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run and run a track but when you've run

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that distance yourself

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um and you you know how slow you are and

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comparison it gives you a new

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appreciation oh totally yeah like I was

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even thinking about that with the the

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old marathon world record I'm like man I

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couldn't run oh maybe I could run 5k at

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the same Pace as the marathon world

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record like that's ridiculous some guy

00:16:23

I'm a professional Runner and some other

00:16:25

provisional Runner is doing what I could

00:16:27

do you know four times yeah oh you you

00:16:30

could you could hang on to keep Chucky

00:16:31

for a while couldn't you could hang on

00:16:33

to cryptographer 10K it's made it longer

00:16:35

maybe maybe 10 guys yeah 10ks maybe you

00:16:38

get two through 10K but it wouldn't do

00:16:40

much longer than that you know it's

00:16:42

crazy it's crazy that's a quarter of

00:16:45

what he's doing he's doing it four more

00:16:46

times after that yeah so okay so so the

00:16:49

1500 meter race so it's um like three

00:16:51

and three quarter laps how do you like

00:16:53

how do you is there a set way to run it

00:16:55

yeah well like or do you do you go on

00:16:59

with a game plan like right don't set

00:17:00

the pace let someone else set the pace

00:17:02

yeah yeah sometimes I think it's

00:17:04

different if you're racing tactically or

00:17:06

you're racing

00:17:07

um like time trial like a tactical

00:17:09

Championship race

00:17:11

um you know I just listened to Craig yes

00:17:13

coach kind of thing but uh he often just

00:17:16

says um excuse the language don't [ __ ]

00:17:18

it up that's what he says this is like

00:17:21

one thing that he says to me every

00:17:23

retire and I'm like sweet like the times

00:17:26

you know the times that he hasn't said

00:17:27

that I have screwed it up and I'm like

00:17:29

oh man what does he mean [ __ ] it up like

00:17:31

go out too hard everything right what do

00:17:35

you mean don't yeah I'm like okay great

00:17:36

like cool

00:17:38

um but he uh go out too hard you know

00:17:40

lead for too long like start kicking too

00:17:44

early just like don't get boxed and you

00:17:47

know like because you could get books

00:17:48

then you could kick too early and get

00:17:50

run down you could lead and fatigue

00:17:53

yourself and then get mowed down the

00:17:54

last 200

00:17:56

um but yeah pretty much you don't want

00:17:58

to be the guy who is being out kicked

00:18:01

you're gonna be the outkicker right and

00:18:04

so so that you're talking about the last

00:18:05

maybe 200 to 400 meters yeah yeah

00:18:07

totally yeah so yeah it depends what The

00:18:10

Field's doing how fast there is the race

00:18:11

is where your position is but um yeah I

00:18:14

think I go into it just with like a bit

00:18:16

of an open mindset and just go all right

00:18:18

let's just see how this first 100 meters

00:18:20

is and see if I get to where I want to

00:18:22

be if I get to where I want to be

00:18:23

sometimes it's easier the game plan can

00:18:25

kind of just roll out and you just

00:18:27

defend moves and make moves when you

00:18:29

need to to get to the right place

00:18:31

position yourself well

00:18:33

um but really the whole race is just

00:18:35

positioning yourself up until the last

00:18:37

400 meters so that you're in the right

00:18:38

spot with 400 meters to go so that

00:18:41

you're either on the shoulder or at the

00:18:42

front

00:18:43

um and if you can do that then you've

00:18:45

got a good chance of winning so right

00:18:47

yeah so how much feels easy as the first

00:18:50

lap easy it's not the first 200 meters

00:18:52

yeah well well Nick Willis actually says

00:18:54

and I totally agree with him if you run

00:18:57

a 1500 perfectly it's pain-free it's

00:19:00

effortless and I'm like oh like I found

00:19:02

I think about the times where I run my

00:19:04

fastest times it's been the most

00:19:06

effortless race and you don't even think

00:19:08

about it you just lap lap done you know

00:19:10

and you're like well that was quick

00:19:12

um I I don't know if it would be the

00:19:15

same if you're running

00:19:16

four or five for six minutes for the

00:19:18

1500

00:19:20

but you know it may still you know

00:19:22

you know for a little longer yeah

00:19:26

for me I like I don't really get the

00:19:28

chance to think about it but usually you

00:19:30

don't you don't hurt until you know if

00:19:33

you get to like 800 and you still feel

00:19:36

good that's probably a good sign right

00:19:37

right and you can kind of afford to hurt

00:19:39

the last two minutes yeah um but if

00:19:42

you're hurting in the after the first

00:19:43

lap oh boy it's gonna be a long time

00:19:46

a long day but yeah it's still so short

00:19:48

but you're just an absolute agony for

00:19:51

that uh for that second half of the Run

00:19:52

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's good so

00:19:54

so the commonwealth games

00:19:56

um what would a medal mean to you

00:19:59

I don't know like to be honest the

00:20:02

Commonwealth Games hasn't been really

00:20:03

something I dreamed about I just always

00:20:04

wanted to go the Olympics

00:20:06

um but probably because I didn't really

00:20:08

watch the Commonwealth Games that much

00:20:09

as a kid or did you not one I don't know

00:20:12

I feel like it's a kiwi thing I feel

00:20:13

like it is a kiwi thing I like I watched

00:20:15

necron and a couple of things but I

00:20:16

didn't like

00:20:17

sit down like I did for the Olympics and

00:20:19

like watch you know all the Rugby World

00:20:22

Cup even and just like watch the whole

00:20:23

thing you know like it wasn't something

00:20:25

I'd have the TV on like oh we got the um

00:20:27

the lawn bowls today you know like what

00:20:29

I wonder the edge sorry about the

00:20:32

lawnmowers it's actually really fun and

00:20:34

hard really hard but yeah I don't know

00:20:38

so I hadn't really thought about it that

00:20:39

much but it would be you know the more

00:20:41

I've grown up and the the further I've

00:20:43

developed and running I'm like man uh a

00:20:45

commonwealth games meter would be just

00:20:47

like a dream come true because you're

00:20:48

just like that's a Commonwealth Games

00:20:49

medal you can't nobody can take that

00:20:51

away from you you know somebody said the

00:20:53

other day or I read that records can be

00:20:55

broken but you know championship titles

00:20:57

they can't never be taken away yeah I

00:20:59

mean half the life yeah I mean unless

00:21:01

you've taken drugs and got caught but uh

00:21:04

you know hopefully that never happens

00:21:06

[Laughter]

00:21:07

um

00:21:08

and um so so like where are you where do

00:21:12

you think you're placed like you look at

00:21:14

the rest of the people in the field and

00:21:15

you you know what their time saying you

00:21:17

know what your time is

00:21:18

um all going well on the day

00:21:20

are you a chance what yeah I think so

00:21:23

like maybe not my PB wouldn't say so

00:21:26

right now

00:21:27

um there's a lot of guys who are ahead

00:21:29

of me who have you know more potential

00:21:31

than me according to our times

00:21:33

um but you know some people might have

00:21:36

picked for their trials some people you

00:21:38

know which is kind of now

00:21:39

um June you know middle of junish

00:21:42

um and so they might have picked for

00:21:44

their trials just to make their team

00:21:45

whereas I have the luxury of being able

00:21:47

to just not lie about that and just peek

00:21:49

purely for worlds and comms and so

00:21:52

um you know they may be in 330 shape now

00:21:55

I'm like I need to be in 330 shape and

00:21:56

you know what state would you what state

00:21:58

would you be in right now oh I don't

00:22:00

know three probably three thirty four

00:22:02

three thirty three so probably 334 shape

00:22:05

right I think once they do a little bit

00:22:07

of a tune-up maybe 335 shape tune-up

00:22:10

happens and it changes quite a bit so

00:22:12

maybe I'll be down to a 330 shape in a

00:22:14

couple weeks God you've got to be so in

00:22:16

tune with your body don't you oh yeah

00:22:18

it's it's pretty crazy like you you I'm

00:22:20

understand at some level you you kind of

00:22:23

flop a switch and then understand where

00:22:25

like what 28 feels like and what 30

00:22:27

feels like and 30s if you're running 30s

00:22:30

in a race you're running too slow you

00:22:31

know for 200s if you're only 30s you're

00:22:33

like I need to pick it up because I'm

00:22:35

way off the pace because you need to be

00:22:37

running 28s realistically like

00:22:40

if you're running 28 you're on Pace for

00:22:41

a fast time

00:22:42

that is quick

00:22:44

I don't think I could Sprint that fast

00:22:45

14 point 400 no I think I'd be slower

00:22:48

than that how can you be good you've got

00:22:50

the legs how would you go um against uh

00:22:53

Zoe Hobbs in a handy oh you know I was

00:22:56

actually talking as though oh that's so

00:22:58

embarrassing I was talking about Zoe the

00:22:59

other day um after oceania's and like we

00:23:02

should set up a race just for fun

00:23:03

because like no no media nothing because

00:23:06

I don't want the media to be there

00:23:07

because I probably I'd definitely get my

00:23:09

butt kicked

00:23:10

um but I'm like I'd actually like to

00:23:12

race the Sprinter girls just because the

00:23:14

Sprinter boys had to just be sad like I

00:23:16

just get smoked spat at the back but I

00:23:19

am like unofficially ran like 11 flat

00:23:21

the other day

00:23:22

um like what did Zoe do the other week

00:23:24

what's her time like 11

00:23:26

09 she's a beast she's so fast it's

00:23:30

scary you're like whoa my goodness

00:23:41

so out of the blocks she could put five

00:23:44

meters on me she could put two meters on

00:23:45

me she could put 10 meters on me and I'm

00:23:47

like it depends if I like come out all

00:23:49

Gumpy and like but um yeah if I get a

00:23:52

good blocks out then I probably should

00:23:54

probably beat me by a couple meters but

00:23:55

I mean I don't know I think she'd smoke

00:23:58

me yeah yeah she's amazing she's amazing

00:24:02

um

00:24:03

you mentioned Nick Willis before so this

00:24:06

is the crazy thing so it feels like an

00:24:07

um the distance that you do 1500 meters

00:24:10

um so I'm of an age where I was born in

00:24:12

the 1970s so I remember the John Walker

00:24:13

era yep and then and then there was a

00:24:15

little bit of a gap after the amazing

00:24:16

John Walker and then Nick Willis came

00:24:17

along and held that that crown for a

00:24:19

bloody like Nick Willis has been around

00:24:21

since then till now your your entire

00:24:23

life yeah yeah and and now it feels like

00:24:26

um literally why it's our life yeah yeah

00:24:28

yeah it really is he is it's incredible

00:24:30

yeah what's he done he said like sub

00:24:32

four minute miles over 20 years yeah

00:24:34

every year for 20 years I read a big

00:24:36

article online about it so it's about to

00:24:38

get up and do that every year for 20

00:24:40

consecutive years it's just mind-blowing

00:24:42

I am it's it's crazy I'm like I'm fine

00:24:45

this year will be my fifth year and I'm

00:24:46

like oh man Nikki just making it hard

00:24:48

for me to break that record

00:24:50

there's just so many miles

00:24:52

it's tiring me up thinking about it you

00:24:55

know like but yeah he's incredible and

00:24:58

it's just longevity just shows how much

00:25:00

of you know how how much he loves

00:25:02

running to be honest that's that's

00:25:03

really what it shows because a lot of

00:25:06

guys you know they start to they start

00:25:08

to taper or they start to get a little

00:25:09

older than like get injury and they're

00:25:11

like ah you know maybe that's me done

00:25:12

and then they just pull the pin but he's

00:25:14

just like no I love running I want to do

00:25:16

it as long as I can and I'm like that's

00:25:18

so awesome and you know him and Kelly

00:25:20

Slater surfing like Kelly Slater's 50

00:25:23

now and just you know one what 30 years

00:25:26

apart as first and

00:25:28

um whatever pipe number pipe pipe

00:25:31

Masters right right and I'm like those

00:25:33

you know those sorts of athletes he's

00:25:34

just like wow you've got to take your

00:25:37

head off to them yeah and there's um

00:25:38

another one who's got Cameron Brown the

00:25:40

uh the Iron Man he's totally he's just

00:25:42

turned 50 recently and he's still

00:25:43

cranking ranking it

00:25:45

dominating so um what's your

00:25:48

relationship with Nick Willis like or

00:25:50

what was it like and what is it you know

00:25:51

he's obviously accepted now that you're

00:25:53

the you're the upstarter yeah that's why

00:25:55

it's kicking his ass was it weird in the

00:25:57

beginning like was there a like a

00:25:59

jealousy thing on his pad or nah nah

00:26:02

never which is super cool it could have

00:26:04

totally been there I'd never even

00:26:05

thought about that he made it so so

00:26:06

natural it was cool

00:26:08

um but I suppose you know when you're

00:26:09

getting older as an athlete that day's

00:26:11

going to come yeah I guess so and

00:26:13

especially because he was probably oh

00:26:15

maybe like 36 when I

00:26:18

first beta might beat him in 800 the

00:26:20

week after he smoked me at 1500 but the

00:26:22

bittersweet Part about the 1500 was that

00:26:24

he dragged me through to break his own

00:26:26

New Zealand record right I was like wow

00:26:28

I was like thanks Nick

00:26:29

um but he was so stoked and he was so

00:26:31

genuine about it it was just amazing you

00:26:33

know so I was just like oh this guy's so

00:26:35

cool he's such a cool mentor and you

00:26:36

know I looked up to him for up to him

00:26:38

for years but never had the opportunity

00:26:40

to actually meet him and so when he came

00:26:41

to New Zealand I met him and

00:26:43

um you know then I went to Belgium and

00:26:45

talked with Steve Wallace's brother was

00:26:48

um with us and so I talked on the phone

00:26:49

to Nick and and then uh Tokyo came

00:26:52

around and or a couple more races I

00:26:53

think I saw him at

00:26:55

um we hung out chatted and you know

00:26:57

watched a movie or something

00:26:59

um but then Tokyo came around and I got

00:27:01

to spend you know the most part of a

00:27:03

month probably with him

00:27:05

um and you know he got to give me some

00:27:07

advice and give me some tricks and tips

00:27:08

and uh

00:27:10

yeah a bunch of stuff and so

00:27:12

what's sort of like tricks and Taps like

00:27:14

what can he ah here's a stitch up one

00:27:18

right so I mean I totally should have

00:27:21

known this this was like real amateur

00:27:23

but um Nick post race tells me there's

00:27:28

one thing that if you're in a race and

00:27:30

someone's on your shoulder and you want

00:27:31

to get out of the box you just put your

00:27:33

hand on their hip because it's not it's

00:27:35

not illegal you're not like pushing them

00:27:36

but just put their hand on you I'll put

00:27:38

your hand on their hip and just apply a

00:27:40

little bit of pressure and they do it

00:27:43

like a fend like a fin but they just

00:27:45

Glide outwards and I tried it I'm like

00:27:47

what the heck this is awesome and but I

00:27:50

tried it after the Olympics and I'm like

00:27:53

Nick you should have told me this before

00:27:54

the Olympics I'm like that would have

00:27:56

saved my you know campaign but I was

00:27:58

like I wasn't grumpy um yeah but it was

00:28:01

I was like it says is this like a a tip

00:28:05

that you will use going forward

00:28:06

potentially yeah definitely if you need

00:28:08

to get out and and somebody's you know

00:28:10

boxing you in you're like I gotta move

00:28:12

man like I'm ready to go if you're gonna

00:28:14

hold me back and you're not moving or if

00:28:16

you're going backwards I'm going

00:28:17

forward's sake see ya yeah so because in

00:28:19

in cycling

00:28:21

um you know there's a there's a Peloton

00:28:22

situation and uh yeah like if you're not

00:28:25

pulling your weight and get going out

00:28:26

front like the other cyclists will like

00:28:28

you know tell you off or yell at you

00:28:29

yeah does is there talking on the track

00:28:31

or no gas to talk no sometimes like I I

00:28:36

this this last five weeks or so uh five

00:28:39

races um I four s's four or five

00:28:42

whatever

00:28:43

um I got pretty vocal at some stage

00:28:45

because I was obviously chasing the time

00:28:47

and I'm like guys we're here to run like

00:28:50

come on let's do it like let's work

00:28:52

together like we're not we're not here

00:28:54

to just muck around and like yeah I know

00:28:58

it totally was but I like I got it I

00:29:00

don't know like I love all the boys but

00:29:02

sometimes I feel like when you wherever

00:29:04

the gun goes off nobody's friends they

00:29:07

must be like easy for you ten are we

00:29:08

going as hard as we [ __ ] can yeah

00:29:11

maybe but uh yes I don't know sometimes

00:29:14

some words just want to win you know

00:29:16

which is totally fair enough but I'm

00:29:17

like I don't care about winning

00:29:18

sometimes I just want to run fast yeah

00:29:19

especially if it's not a championship a

00:29:22

championship in a championship

00:29:23

everything you know everything goes yeah

00:29:25

absolutely

00:29:26

um okay so yeah so let's talk about the

00:29:28

Olympics so you went to the Olympics

00:29:29

last year in Tokyo

00:29:31

um you qualified last year as well so in

00:29:34

a way I guess the covert thing for you

00:29:36

was a leasing because it gave you more

00:29:37

time to qualify yeah heck yeah yeah

00:29:39

there are so many blessings that came

00:29:41

out of covert it was ridiculous like I

00:29:43

got to got to come home what was it this

00:29:45

was like 2020 when covert kind of hit I

00:29:48

guess yeah and then so I came home did a

00:29:50

whole year of pretty much base of Base

00:29:52

training you know and then I proposed

00:29:54

and got engaged so that was sick

00:29:56

um and then so I had this like awesome

00:29:58

like family

00:30:00

stuff going on and then awesome training

00:30:03

that was just building a massive base

00:30:05

that carried me through for a season

00:30:07

that was way too long like I probably

00:30:09

shouldn't have raced that much but it

00:30:10

got me qualified you know

00:30:12

um then started 2021 ran a couple fast

00:30:15

races qualified Olympics you know around

00:30:17

the Olympics ran a couple of Collegiate

00:30:19

races before then

00:30:21

um but yeah without that I was you know

00:30:24

to be honest 2020 for the Olympics

00:30:26

within it was a very long shot yeah on

00:30:28

terms of qualifying in terms of

00:30:30

qualifying right right but so I probably

00:30:31

wouldn't have gone but I suppose like

00:30:33

pros and cons because because it was the

00:30:34

later year you got to go but also it

00:30:36

sounds like it was a pretty shitty

00:30:37

Olympic experience in there yeah you

00:30:40

didn't get the full look I mean you will

00:30:42

in your lifetime I'm sure totally it

00:30:43

wasn't like the full Olympic experience

00:30:45

no no yeah but for me I I kind of look

00:30:48

at it like I'm fortunate because a lot

00:30:50

of athletes you know who may have given

00:30:52

up you know they may be in their late

00:30:54

20s or early 30s and they've just

00:30:56

qualified for their first Olympics and

00:30:58

maybe that was their only one you know

00:31:00

and I'm like oh that kind of sucks

00:31:02

because that may be the only one

00:31:04

and that's that's it whereas for me I'm

00:31:07

like that was my first one I'm like and

00:31:09

that was awesome I'm like I'm like I

00:31:11

don't know what I think everybody else

00:31:12

is saying I'm like I'm at the Olympics

00:31:14

I'm like a you know like a puppy I'm

00:31:16

just like you like yeah nothing like I

00:31:19

can't contain my excitement

00:31:21

um and so a lot of people probably were

00:31:23

like man Sam chill out but you know I

00:31:26

was I was stoked and and so now I'm

00:31:28

looking forward to what more there could

00:31:30

be yeah right right more a more normal

00:31:32

Olympic experience and it must have been

00:31:35

um what what happened to you in the

00:31:36

Olympics in the 1500 meters how did you

00:31:39

get on oh I ran well like I um was

00:31:42

actually proud of the way I felt in the

00:31:44

race but uh like I kind of just wasn't

00:31:47

aggressive enough essentially like I

00:31:49

should have

00:31:50

um I went into the race a little like

00:31:52

not I was not nervous which is really

00:31:54

silly like I should have been nervous I

00:31:55

should have put more pressure on myself

00:31:57

to be honest because I like pressure

00:32:00

um

00:32:01

and so I yeah I kind of got off the line

00:32:03

well but then kind of just found myself

00:32:05

up like at the back of the pack or a box

00:32:07

den and I was like I couldn't really

00:32:08

move

00:32:10

um and so I was just like uh what do I

00:32:12

do and anyway I got through got through

00:32:14

the race and ran the last 300 meters

00:32:16

really well like my last 300 was the

00:32:18

same as

00:32:19

um you know the top two or so of of my

00:32:22

race yep um so if I was at the front at

00:32:24

that time I would have made it through

00:32:26

like probably comfortably yeah but the

00:32:28

fact is I wasn't there and that's what

00:32:30

happens if you run your restaurant right

00:32:32

and so

00:32:33

yeah I I crossed the line and was just

00:32:36

like so so in awe of where I actually

00:32:39

was I was like wow I'm at the Olympics

00:32:41

and for me I was not even the slightest

00:32:44

but disappointed because I'm like you

00:32:45

know what so many people give up their

00:32:47

whole life are unpaid and you know give

00:32:50

up everything to make the Olympics and

00:32:52

sometimes they don't even make it you

00:32:54

know like they give up money time years

00:32:56

of like not having a family and then

00:32:58

they don't even make it and I'm like man

00:33:00

I can't be I can't be grumpy at my

00:33:03

performance I'm like what a dick if you

00:33:05

were like you're like I'm at the Olympic

00:33:07

[ __ ] game

00:33:11

that's awesome like I'm twinning yeah

00:33:14

and um it must have been um

00:33:17

I I don't know if you guys could even

00:33:19

hang out or whatever but um so your

00:33:20

training partner Hayden uh he won a

00:33:23

medal in the triathlon yeah did you guys

00:33:25

get to see each other and enjoy that

00:33:27

moment over there yeah yeah because we

00:33:29

crossed over for one day and so it was

00:33:32

there

00:33:33

oh early August I think that's roughly

00:33:37

what I'm thinking roughly the day yeah

00:33:39

early August um I think his race was

00:33:42

maybe the 31st of July or something so

00:33:44

we crossed over because of the way the

00:33:46

um the village kind of covert rules were

00:33:48

you're allowed them there for 48 hours

00:33:50

after your event

00:33:51

um and so we crossed over for 24 hours

00:33:54

we hung out we got to have a hug and eat

00:33:57

dinner together and then uh pretty much

00:33:59

see you later you know which was crazy

00:34:01

but we got a photo at the Olympic rings

00:34:03

which was pretty cool

00:34:04

um but yeah it definitely gave me some

00:34:06

motivation to run well but I just didn't

00:34:08

quite execute it oh no they must have

00:34:10

been crazy here you are basically like

00:34:12

two more or less kids oh yeah from the

00:34:15

you know from from Tauranga Baya plenty

00:34:17

and you're at the Olympic Games and

00:34:18

whatever's a [ __ ] medal I know and

00:34:20

we're both of the same coach too yeah

00:34:22

you're like man that's a testament to

00:34:23

Craig's coaching yeah yeah like like yes

00:34:26

we're both like two naturally gifted

00:34:28

athletes in terms of jeans but like

00:34:30

realistically he's developed us and

00:34:32

given us the confidence and the ability

00:34:34

to

00:34:35

um to just send it and just

00:34:38

definition I feel like in training

00:34:40

that's what we do and we're just like we

00:34:41

just like full soon let's go yeah we

00:34:44

don't have Hayden on the podcast he um

00:34:46

he there was a saying that he used maybe

00:34:48

a dozen times about it's something like

00:34:50

blowing the doors off hi he said it over

00:34:53

and over again yeah yeah he's good at

00:34:55

that so um so so you said you weren't

00:34:58

nervous

00:34:59

what do you mean you weren't nervous we

00:35:01

just relaxed before the Olympics yeah I

00:35:03

was so stoked like do you ever get

00:35:06

nervous yeah I totally get nervous yeah

00:35:07

like some someone else how do you what

00:35:10

do you mean how can you definitely get

00:35:12

nervous but you're not nervous at the

00:35:13

Olympics oh I don't know I was just like

00:35:16

so I think I think it's a pressure thing

00:35:18

like I'm like at the Olympics I'm like

00:35:20

well I'm at the Olympics I'm probably

00:35:22

not the worst here but I'm like probably

00:35:24

like realistically I don't know how good

00:35:27

a shape up I mean I I did back my shape

00:35:29

I was like I'm in good shape but anyway

00:35:30

I get what you're saying so there was no

00:35:33

sort of expectation no no expectation

00:35:34

and so I was like this is kind of cool

00:35:37

uh let's just see how it is and on the

00:35:39

start line if you rewind and watch the

00:35:41

tape I'm like

00:35:43

um like the only one of the satellite

00:35:44

just like thumbs up like fully smiling

00:35:47

up okay guys almost like waving deep

00:35:50

you're like oh I'm at the Olympics like

00:35:52

what the heck am I doing here

00:35:54

um and so that was pretty crazy but uh

00:35:56

yeah so me and then Nick was actually

00:35:59

this album the other one doing the same

00:36:00

thing he actually made the semi-final

00:36:02

which is awesome

00:36:03

um but he was also like yeah like hi

00:36:05

Darcy hi lucky his kids

00:36:07

um and so that was pretty cool

00:36:09

um to the the two kiwis were just the

00:36:11

ones stoked and happy on the start line

00:36:13

and um also two Christian dudes too so

00:36:15

it was pretty sweet to just like oh yeah

00:36:17

no a bit different and uh stand out a

00:36:19

little bit which is which is cool

00:36:21

yeah that is cool I was actually going

00:36:23

to ask you about the uh the religion

00:36:24

thing because you you got um you got

00:36:26

married at the beginning of this year

00:36:27

yep your to your partner Melissa you're

00:36:29

both very young so I wondered if you

00:36:31

were religious yeah yeah yeah we got an

00:36:33

awesome church uh down down the road

00:36:35

called curate

00:36:36

um led by Joel and Katie melgate

00:36:39

um awesome passers love them and just

00:36:41

super stoked to be a part of that and

00:36:42

yeah was it like a Catholic Church

00:36:44

Christian church right right

00:36:47

um and yeah so we're just amazing

00:36:50

teaching we just finished that um a kind

00:36:53

of seven week series uh called the

00:36:55

emotionally healthy discipleship um

00:36:57

which is just like so good it just

00:37:00

provokes some really good discussion

00:37:01

around like

00:37:03

um growth and being a person really like

00:37:06

right not not just like Christian

00:37:07

attributes or aspects but like just

00:37:10

really cool

00:37:11

um like ways of living and like ways

00:37:14

that we would better represent Jesus and

00:37:16

represent um you know who we are as

00:37:19

Christians and I don't know just be

00:37:21

better people right that's cool right

00:37:22

because I I was I was raised um

00:37:25

um like in a Catholic Family and we went

00:37:26

to church every weekend but maybe it's

00:37:29

different now

00:37:30

um but it was really boring where'd you

00:37:32

go on a Sunday and we had to wear

00:37:34

horrible dress up scratchy clothes

00:37:36

um there was some old priest that was

00:37:38

just mumbling away that had no Charisma

00:37:40

you'd have to kneel down on these wooden

00:37:42

wooden benches for a few minutes at a

00:37:44

time in your knees would be sore is it

00:37:46

still like that now is the church you go

00:37:48

to a fun one with their bands and yeah

00:37:49

no we our um you know they they do I

00:37:54

think they Pride themselves and I would

00:37:55

if I was them um but here I have an

00:37:57

amazing worship team and they actually I

00:38:00

think released an album and it was like

00:38:02

number one on the New Zealand

00:38:04

um like I don't know if it's a religious

00:38:06

whatever

00:38:08

um category but in New Zealand Music

00:38:09

Awards and so they won like the the best

00:38:12

music album for the year or something

00:38:14

right which was really cool um and so

00:38:16

they just awesome atmosphere

00:38:18

um really laid back you know anyone's

00:38:21

welcome frustrate they get given a free

00:38:23

coffee and stuff and food sometimes and

00:38:25

yeah it's just it's really cool yeah is

00:38:27

it a big part of your life yeah

00:38:28

definitely yeah where does it we raised

00:38:31

this way is this how you were raised as

00:38:32

a yeah

00:38:33

yeah uh yeah so your whole family is

00:38:34

religious yeah they we didn't go to

00:38:36

church like

00:38:37

oh we did

00:38:40

them not religiously though not like

00:38:45

Global bashing or anything as a kid

00:38:46

you're just like you we were definitely

00:38:48

given our own opportunity to

00:38:51

um decide to decide and and express

00:38:54

whatever we want them to you know kind

00:38:56

of thing

00:38:57

um and so that was really cool and then

00:38:59

we went to BC Christian School which was

00:39:01

just like really cool

00:39:02

um and it like a lot of people think

00:39:04

it's so sheltered and whatever but it

00:39:07

actually like it was in some ways but

00:39:09

just like really good for growth and I

00:39:12

know good morals and taught you you know

00:39:14

how to be a decent member of society in

00:39:17

a lot of ways well that's I mean that's

00:39:18

the thing like if um like I

00:39:21

I would say I'm atheist now but the

00:39:24

message in the Bible is basically don't

00:39:25

be an [ __ ] isn't it yeah that's what

00:39:27

it all boils down to yeah yeah um so if

00:39:29

it brings something into your life that

00:39:31

um that brings value to it then I think

00:39:33

that's a good thing yeah I mean totally

00:39:34

and I've like had some you know pretty

00:39:37

crazy experience this is a bit of a

00:39:40

story so once I uh we're playing Nerf my

00:39:44

brother and I were playing this well

00:39:45

there's a good as good stories start

00:39:47

we're playing Nerf um Nerf wars and uh

00:39:50

we he's like partially blind in one eye

00:39:54

or probably mostly blind in one eye

00:39:56

incredibly talented but like at skating

00:39:58

and stuff yeah from from birth or yeah I

00:40:01

think it's just like a lazy owner just

00:40:03

like it's got 10 Vision right right so

00:40:06

um anyway I shot him in the face and he

00:40:08

got pretty you're pretty mad because he

00:40:09

was breaking the rules

00:40:11

um so I shot him in the face and he's

00:40:12

like oh and then he got grumpy at me and

00:40:14

we got into a bit of a fight

00:40:16

um but then I punched him and I don't

00:40:18

know punch him in the head or something

00:40:20

and uh and I broke my knuckle like real

00:40:23

bad and like you probably see it there

00:40:25

but like see on my right pinky knuckle

00:40:27

was like oh yeah yeah yeah it was like

00:40:30

super broken mum's like haha natural

00:40:31

punishment and I'm like oh thanks mum so

00:40:34

she didn't take me to the doctor for a

00:40:35

day and then it was real swollen the

00:40:37

next day she's like okay let's go

00:40:39

um when anyway I got it checked x-rayed

00:40:41

it was like broken

00:40:43

um so I went to school and my mates

00:40:45

actually prayed for my hand and they

00:40:47

prayed for it first time second time

00:40:49

nothing happened and they paid for it a

00:40:50

third time fully healed like that click

00:40:52

of the fingers from like full pain like

00:40:54

in a like splint buddy strap to the bow

00:40:57

other finger to like full healing I'm

00:40:59

like well that was crazy all right you

00:41:02

know and for me that was like wow that's

00:41:04

pretty cool that like so that's

00:41:06

definitely something you don't see every

00:41:07

day and so I was like what like you're

00:41:11

speechless you're just like oh thanks

00:41:14

guys I guess

00:41:17

shot shot Legends like this can you get

00:41:20

the same crew to prey for a gold medal I

00:41:22

know totally is you know you want to

00:41:26

come over and uh Jesus will be like

00:41:27

sorry man I don't work on favors like

00:41:29

that yeah he's like I'm not a genie

00:41:32

um which is totally true but you know

00:41:33

yeah so so how did you meet your wife

00:41:35

did you meet her through church

00:41:37

um at school

00:41:38

I've got Foster you've been hitting all

00:41:41

the story buttons today

00:41:42

um she we actually went to kindergarten

00:41:44

together

00:41:45

um and then so we went to the same kindy

00:41:48

and then so you knew each other as do

00:41:50

you remember each other at Kinder no I

00:41:52

don't really remember just through

00:41:53

photos or through stories for your

00:41:55

parents like parents knew each other

00:41:56

kind of thing yeah

00:41:57

um and they're at the same time or

00:41:59

whatever but then we went to BC together

00:42:02

um so that's um Bethlehem College yeah

00:42:04

yeah sorry um and then yeah met there

00:42:07

hung out for a couple years started

00:42:09

dating end of high school and then I

00:42:12

went to University in Washington and

00:42:14

then uh

00:42:15

you know on the athletic scholarship and

00:42:17

we did long distance for a couple years

00:42:19

and then yeah was that hard yeah it

00:42:22

sucked but it was really good like it

00:42:24

was good for us in a lot of ways one one

00:42:27

like maturity like it allowed us to be

00:42:30

have a lot of time for like individual

00:42:32

growth which was so important because

00:42:34

you could be like one of those like

00:42:36

cheesy little teenage couples were just

00:42:38

like ah they're kind of cute but like

00:42:39

awkward kind of cringe but we like we

00:42:42

never wanted to be there we wanted to

00:42:43

just like be adults and be

00:42:46

um you know as mature as possible so it

00:42:49

was really good for our growth because

00:42:50

we got to do our independent thing

00:42:52

um but not have to worry about the whole

00:42:54

drama of dating and whatnot and so that

00:42:57

was really great and she's the coolest

00:42:58

girl ever she's a teacher at Bethlehem

00:43:01

college now amazing yeah so she she

00:43:04

didn't actually think she was gonna

00:43:06

um ever go back there

00:43:08

um not because you didn't love it but

00:43:09

just because she wanted to work in a

00:43:11

public school and um

00:43:14

yes the opportunity came up and she just

00:43:17

loved it and so she's like oh this is

00:43:18

cool

00:43:19

um and so yeah that's where she's at the

00:43:21

moment so how are we when you start

00:43:23

seeing each other what was it like 13 14

00:43:25

no no like 17 17. oh okay because I had

00:43:28

Joseph Parker on the podcast he had a

00:43:29

similar thing he met his um now wife and

00:43:32

baby mama uh at school when they're like

00:43:34

13 14 and they've sort of been together

00:43:36

ever since

00:43:37

but were you in similar classes like

00:43:39

going through the years at Bethlehem

00:43:41

College yeah yeah yeah and did were you

00:43:43

thinking through those years like 13 to

00:43:44

16 oh she's she's a bit of all right

00:43:46

yeah she's she was always fun and I was

00:43:49

like yeah that's kind of fun like this

00:43:50

could be kind of cool

00:43:52

um and then how come nothing ever

00:43:53

happened in those early years like um

00:43:55

the school dances and things like that

00:43:56

uh you know other girls

00:43:59

I'm just kidding no no

00:44:01

um no I don't know we're just we're just

00:44:04

kind of uh

00:44:05

yeah I suppose I was I was very much

00:44:07

focused on having fun and doing my own

00:44:09

thing

00:44:10

um and I like I'm a boys boy but not

00:44:13

necessarily in the sense that I'd go to

00:44:15

parties and stuff I'm like I'd rather

00:44:17

have a bunch of boys that would come

00:44:18

surfing with me at 7am you know like

00:44:21

just like get up early and not stay up

00:44:23

late and so that actually has really

00:44:24

helped my running because I've been able

00:44:27

to just focus on to you know the morning

00:44:31

um a little puppy out there oh should we

00:44:33

let him in uh yeah go on

00:44:36

um I suppose

00:44:40

yeah I mean I mean the the the things

00:44:43

that you've that you've that you've done

00:44:44

and continue to do with your life and

00:44:46

your body I mean you can't you can't

00:44:48

have the party lifestyle in that as well

00:44:50

yeah and so I think you're not getting

00:44:52

on the person then running sub 400 miles

00:44:54

the next day

00:44:57

that was a challenge but I'm not going

00:44:59

to

00:45:02

try like the chander mile or whatever it

00:45:04

is yeah yeah I uh just get smokers yeah

00:45:07

or I don't know I'm not I'm not like the

00:45:10

biggest Drinker if so I don't think I'd

00:45:13

be I'll just I'd run the really fast

00:45:15

laps but then I'd be like because you

00:45:18

get the bonus like if you vomit right I

00:45:20

do yeah yeah I'm not sure of the exact

00:45:22

rules but yeah you do a lap and then you

00:45:24

drink a beer then yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:45:25

four beers four laps and then a

00:45:27

parchment if you vomit so I'm like I

00:45:29

think I'd just take the punishment and

00:45:31

just blast out five laps yeah

00:45:33

so yeah so so who asked who asked who

00:45:37

out and initially oh I did yeah

00:45:39

or just a regular date no it's a regular

00:45:42

date we went we went kayak fishing and

00:45:44

she caught her first Snapper and so that

00:45:45

was pretty sweet

00:45:47

um and that was that was pretty cool but

00:45:49

yes that was I guess the essence of date

00:45:52

number one if you could call it that's

00:45:54

more an adventure a lot of you know what

00:45:56

is I I shouldn't be exposing myself like

00:45:58

this

00:45:59

what is real shocking is um oh hey we I

00:46:03

think we I think our first dinner date

00:46:06

was my she took me out for my birthday

00:46:09

and she paid for it and I'm like oh like

00:46:13

I like I did I'm I did offer to pay but

00:46:16

she's like no it's your birthday I was

00:46:17

like okay fine

00:46:18

um but that was like like we didn't do

00:46:21

dinner like official dinner dates yeah

00:46:23

very often because we're like oh we just

00:46:25

went on adventures like we did heaps of

00:46:26

hiking heaps of Surfing

00:46:28

um some mountain biking and stuff and it

00:46:30

was cute skate dates and pump tracks and

00:46:33

stuff

00:46:34

um but yeah we weren't one of those

00:46:36

couples who'd spend a lot of money

00:46:37

probably because we didn't have much

00:46:38

money yeah yeah and you don't need to

00:46:40

yeah no it was and it was it was so much

00:46:43

fun like it was just the best way to do

00:46:45

it well and when did you realize um when

00:46:47

did you realize that she was gonna be

00:46:48

the one

00:46:49

I don't know that's kind of probably

00:46:52

pretty early on I was like let's check

00:46:54

super cool like I'm just like I just

00:46:55

don't want to lose it like she's yeah

00:46:57

um you know a girl that's just like

00:47:00

compliments me in so many different ways

00:47:02

and so I'm like this is easy it's easy

00:47:04

doing life with her

00:47:06

um and yeah we we complement each other

00:47:09

pretty well I hope she agrees but oh she

00:47:12

said yes

00:47:13

yes this is just a people pleaser and

00:47:15

isn't good at saying no oh that that is

00:47:18

true too but no yeah she did say yes so

00:47:21

that's encouraging and this might be a

00:47:23

bit of a personal question you may

00:47:24

choose not to answer that and that's

00:47:26

fine but um because of your religious

00:47:28

beliefs did you did you save yourselves

00:47:29

for marriage yeah you did yeah we did

00:47:31

[ __ ] was that hard oh yeah

00:47:34

yeah that was that was so what are you

00:47:38

doing you're allowed to do it you're

00:47:39

allowed to kiss you're allowed to what

00:47:41

are you allowed yeah oh and I suppose I

00:47:43

suppose up to the individual yeah

00:47:44

wherever you

00:47:46

and I enjoy your own line people draw

00:47:48

their lines in different places I don't

00:47:49

know where we yeah we had a little pick

00:47:52

but uh

00:47:53

but it's hard though a pick is a gateway

00:47:56

oh yeah there's a gateway

00:47:58

that was it was it was right I've got to

00:48:01

go to Washington we need that separation

00:48:03

yeah yeah that outtakes that was great

00:48:07

but

00:48:08

yeah oh that's great all right so let's

00:48:10

talk about the um the Washington

00:48:12

experience so um

00:48:15

um I I don't know I may have heard this

00:48:18

in an interview or read it somewhere and

00:48:20

I don't know if this is inappropriate or

00:48:21

not but I heard you you put on quite a

00:48:23

bit of weight over there yeah how did

00:48:24

you know that I don't know I thought I

00:48:26

heard it somewhere I read it somewhere

00:48:27

or maybe someone told me about it I I

00:48:29

can't but you're over the uh on a

00:48:31

sporting scholarship so you're there

00:48:32

you're there getting fat and you're

00:48:34

there running and they're pushing

00:48:35

yourself so how do you how do you get

00:48:37

fat I just I it's harder no dumb

00:48:41

it was a combination of like gluttony

00:48:45

American food everything's deep fried oh

00:48:48

the sucker I um yeah no I just I suppose

00:48:52

it just ate Lots like I to be honest I

00:48:55

think the root of it was probably me

00:48:57

doing less activity more running but

00:48:59

less activity you know like when I'm

00:49:00

here I got you so you talk about all the

00:49:02

dates you were having with your

00:49:03

girlfriend yeah you're going kayaking or

00:49:05

Mountain yeah walk up the mouth that

00:49:06

kind of thing you know like that's like

00:49:07

hours of exercise size in the day that

00:49:09

you're just burning heaps of calories

00:49:11

sure don't even realize it which I think

00:49:13

like looking at it now like with uh a

00:49:17

combination between that and Craig's

00:49:19

like training like saying yep cross

00:49:20

training is good like all that sort of

00:49:22

stuff was helping me stay skinny say

00:49:25

stay strong in a bunch of ways too not

00:49:27

like like usable strength like agility

00:49:30

you know whatever else

00:49:31

and so that was

00:49:33

um like a really good plus but as soon

00:49:36

as they got to the states I was sitting

00:49:38

behind a computer studying and uh put on

00:49:42

the Freshman not just the 15 but the

00:49:44

Freshman 20 20 pounds inside what's 10

00:49:47

kilos that's like an eight or nine kilos

00:49:51

yeah that's a lot of extra weight to be

00:49:52

carrying around a track oh yeah I where

00:49:55

whereabouts but you're I'm looking at

00:49:56

you now you're a lean you're a lean dude

00:49:59

where did you put it on was it evenly

00:50:01

spread yeah it was pretty evenly spread

00:50:03

like still like I was still essentially

00:50:05

I was still skinny right but Melissa two

00:50:08

cup two comments that have kind of stuck

00:50:09

with me Melissa said I looked swollen

00:50:12

and my dad said I had a fat Nick and I'm

00:50:16

like I'm like thanks Dad like what a

00:50:18

legend like so that was uh it's totally

00:50:21

totally not true right like I was still

00:50:23

like lean but I'm still still running at

00:50:26

incredible times yeah still running fast

00:50:27

but um I did have my worst result ever I

00:50:31

came 200

00:50:32

132nd that uh at NCAA Nationals which to

00:50:37

be honest field is deep very deep hard

00:50:39

to get there but they're still pretty

00:50:42

shocking like I suppose somebody has to

00:50:45

come that far back yeah and but with the

00:50:48

um but did you enjoy the the American

00:50:50

college experience like was was it um

00:50:52

even though you put on weight and you've

00:50:54

lost the weight now um was it good for

00:50:56

you in terms of like sharpening the

00:50:57

pencil as an athlete yeah it's totally

00:50:59

gave me heaps of experience I um was you

00:51:03

know learning learning heaps like both

00:51:05

academically and like athletically

00:51:09

um the professionalism in terms of like

00:51:13

yeah strategics and like recovery

00:51:18

everything like that really good really

00:51:20

good um experience uh I love the team

00:51:23

coach was awesome

00:51:25

um really different because in the US

00:51:28

obviously they've thrown heaps of money

00:51:30

at yeah there's just like gear coming

00:51:31

out your ears

00:51:33

um you've got the whole college system

00:51:37

like right American football yeah yeah

00:51:39

yeah it's nuts Friday Night Lights and

00:51:41

stuff like that they have like the this

00:51:43

thing called tailgating but at UW it's

00:51:45

called sailgating because they get

00:51:47

because there's a lake there and so they

00:51:50

get all their Rich guys and their fancy

00:51:51

boats get on the pests before the

00:51:53

American football games and you go to

00:51:55

football games everyone's drunk and

00:51:57

there's like actual cheerleaders I'm

00:51:58

like I thought they were just in the

00:52:00

movies but no it was it was cool it was

00:52:02

cool what a great experience

00:52:05

um yeah did you end up talking in a bit

00:52:07

of an accent no no no I didn't have to

00:52:10

adjust to to be understood no but I did

00:52:13

say a couple of things differently like

00:52:14

I'd say we'd go to the store instead of

00:52:16

the supermarket or

00:52:18

um the the parking lot instead of a car

00:52:21

park right I still said it in a kiwi

00:52:23

accent but it was just like things like

00:52:25

that but I did have a couple of um a

00:52:27

couple of my mates like sat to say

00:52:30

things with a kiwi accent and I'm like

00:52:32

oh that's good so it's a level of

00:52:34

influence oh like suckers speaking my

00:52:37

language in your own country yeah

00:52:40

um but yeah um the uh you can become

00:52:43

quite self-conscious of your accent I

00:52:45

when you're overseas like it stands out

00:52:46

like dog balls yeah totally yeah but um

00:52:49

we had a couple of different

00:52:50

Internationals on the team too so it was

00:52:52

um you know a couple Aussie girls we had

00:52:55

a Brit

00:52:56

um bloke who was there for a while

00:52:58

um and that was cool so in terms of like

00:53:00

learning and knowing people and getting

00:53:02

to know a bunch of different people

00:53:04

um and making connections around the

00:53:06

world it was super cool yeah super super

00:53:07

cool and you said before they they throw

00:53:09

money at you and everything like what do

00:53:11

you mean exactly that so they pay for

00:53:12

your flights over there pay for the

00:53:13

education yeah yeah you get do you get

00:53:16

like an allowance or per diems or

00:53:18

anything yeah we get per diem when we

00:53:19

travel

00:53:20

um you know usually probably a couple

00:53:22

hundred bucks and if if you're like any

00:53:25

Watts anyway smart about it you could

00:53:28

probably Bank a hundred dollars each

00:53:30

time which is sweet I'm like that's 160

00:53:32

in New Zealand

00:53:35

[Laughter]

00:53:37

and so that was always fun uh do you

00:53:40

know what what is funny they gave me a

00:53:42

stipend and uh what's a stipend they're

00:53:45

like a like a monthly allowance kind of

00:53:47

thing to pay for your room board food

00:53:49

that's

00:53:51

um not through the dining Halls so they

00:53:53

had athlete dining which was cool

00:53:55

um but check this out I uh was Nifty and

00:53:59

I um I bought with with the money that I

00:54:01

saved over having cheap housing uh I

00:54:05

bought uh to or was it two two well one

00:54:08

motor two no two motorbikes and so I

00:54:11

bought two motorbikes whilst over there

00:54:13

with the with the excess money I was

00:54:15

like those are like free motorbikes

00:54:16

that's awesome so I had a yeah CBR 1000

00:54:21

Double R

00:54:22

um for the motorbike people listening uh

00:54:24

which is a very fast bike and then I

00:54:27

traded it for a Ducati and then in New

00:54:29

Zealand I bought a sv-1000 that blue one

00:54:31

in the [ __ ] I showed you you're

00:54:33

definitely not living your life in

00:54:34

Cotton wool are you no no that's not fun

00:54:36

no it's it's really good I had a friend

00:54:39

that played for the uh the All Blacks

00:54:40

like about 20 years ago and I'm guessing

00:54:42

it's probably still the same now but he

00:54:44

wasn't allowed to go skiing or

00:54:45

snowboarding or anything in Winter yeah

00:54:47

no no I think a lot of like the US coach

00:54:49

uh didn't want me to go snowboarding or

00:54:52

skating like it's I always like boosting

00:54:55

around like probably like like a Nutter

00:54:57

like there's not many guys like sending

00:55:00

it through campus on their skateboards

00:55:02

um but I was like yeah boosting through

00:55:05

campus and he's like okay a week before

00:55:06

National I was I want you to give me my

00:55:08

skateboard I'm like yeah okay that's

00:55:10

probably fair

00:55:12

but I suppose if you've done enough

00:55:14

hours on the skateboard you you're good

00:55:16

at bailing yeah yeah yeah so there is

00:55:18

still risk but it's um it's sort of

00:55:20

managed risk yeah and you're just gonna

00:55:22

Grace like like I don't like I never try

00:55:25

new tricks which kind of is annoying

00:55:27

because I'm like I would like to be as

00:55:28

good as my brother but he's incredible

00:55:30

and I can't do that you know like I'm

00:55:33

not good enough to do that

00:55:36

um and I don't I can't afford to do that

00:55:38

you know because essentially you know I

00:55:40

got a sponsorship by Puma now and if I

00:55:42

don't perform then you know that's on

00:55:44

the line and so don't hurt yourself do

00:55:46

what you know and yeah yeah usually good

00:55:49

but yeah how is so so you don't need a

00:55:52

job you you can just you can just train

00:55:54

and do your events

00:55:56

um is it an okay living I know I I saw

00:55:58

on your Instagram a couple of weeks ago

00:55:59

there's like a local Law Firm here in

00:56:01

Bayer plenty that's um they're helping

00:56:02

you out so you've got Puma yeah they

00:56:04

just give you gear and a little bit of

00:56:05

cash yeah gearing some and oh they give

00:56:08

me a salary yeah so uh it's a it's good

00:56:11

yeah it's good it's um it's not like as

00:56:13

much as I'd be probably making in the US

00:56:16

um because there's just you know a lot

00:56:18

more uh profile over there sure you know

00:56:21

get a lot more recognition and

00:56:22

everything like that

00:56:24

um so yeah a little bit less than

00:56:26

probably what I've been making overseas

00:56:28

um but it's enough to live on especially

00:56:30

with uh help of you know um the lawyers

00:56:33

in the oven taranga there which has been

00:56:35

great and uh yeah give him a plug

00:56:38

because I saw that on Instagram I

00:56:39

thought that's a really cool thing for a

00:56:40

local film to be yeah awesome and and so

00:56:42

so the the story with that is uh

00:56:45

um Thomas uh refoy Butler is kind of

00:56:49

yeah I suppose I know I'm mutually

00:56:51

um but he reached out over Instagram one

00:56:53

day and messaged me and said hey Sam

00:56:55

um love to catch up for coffee and I was

00:56:57

like sweet okay like cool I don't really

00:57:00

know you but it's sweet and uh but

00:57:02

anyway we got chatting he's really

00:57:04

awesome dude and we get along well um

00:57:06

and have you know quite a few hobbies in

00:57:08

common he just went I saw a guy mountain

00:57:10

biking the other day actually

00:57:12

um so Thomas exposing your life a little

00:57:15

um but you know that and fishing and

00:57:17

running as well he's a runner

00:57:19

um so he he kind of we had a chat and

00:57:22

then he talked to his Partners at the

00:57:24

law firm and then uh pulled together

00:57:25

some cash and um in that plus some

00:57:29

um any law advice I need or like looking

00:57:31

over contracts and stuff which is yeah

00:57:33

so so helpful like that stuff's so

00:57:36

expensive to get done and so I'm just so

00:57:38

thankful to be a part of their team and

00:57:40

to have them you know on my team and so

00:57:42

it's uh yeah cool and um I've met some

00:57:46

of the partners we went to the movies

00:57:47

the other day which was kind of cool and

00:57:49

got to meet a few more of them and yeah

00:57:51

chat and

00:57:52

um but yeah they've been great they're

00:57:53

super supportive and um you have kind of

00:57:57

um ready to express their interest to

00:58:00

back me for the next few years too which

00:58:01

is cool that's so good that's how it

00:58:03

should be I mean yeah it's an unlucky

00:58:05

sport isn't it because the money's not

00:58:06

right like if you know Stephen Adams for

00:58:09

example on a 20 million a year or

00:58:11

whatever for playing basketball in terms

00:58:14

of what you're doing in your sport

00:58:15

you're probably as good as what he is

00:58:17

but there's just no money and no money

00:58:19

in the room no that is true yeah like or

00:58:22

even like you know golf you know like

00:58:24

like imagine being Lydia coat yeah how

00:58:27

good I'm like oh yeah that'd be great

00:58:29

but um you know like I'm heavily relying

00:58:32

on like bonuses and winnings and cash

00:58:36

from winning races you know which still

00:58:38

isn't that much you know instead of

00:58:40

Stephen Adams you know gets MVP probably

00:58:43

gets a bonus you know like sure Matt

00:58:45

probably a couple million dollar bonus

00:58:47

you know like I I get a bonus and you

00:58:50

know might get a couple Grand you know

00:58:51

which is like Silk right but um you know

00:58:54

it's not a couple of Millers no it's not

00:58:56

a couple of them so whatever but I do it

00:58:59

I don't do it for the money I Do It For

00:59:00

the Love of it you know like if I did it

00:59:02

for the money I would probably have

00:59:03

never done this yeah you do something

00:59:05

else

00:59:07

um wow it's been a great chat [ __ ]

00:59:09

you're full of energy aren't you

00:59:11

like you're like a fizzed up can of Coke

00:59:13

oh I did have a coffee uh not today but

00:59:16

uh like before one of my races and I'm

00:59:19

like holy I should not be allowed coffee

00:59:20

really dude was it helpful or I was just

00:59:26

my heart was going crazy I was like

00:59:29

bouncing like my legs could get my legs

00:59:31

still

00:59:32

um and so that was yeah pretty scary

00:59:35

and how's um something I'd like to ask

00:59:38

everyone on this this podcast how how's

00:59:40

your mental health how's it been how is

00:59:42

it currently how are you you're good I'm

00:59:44

good I uh have a lot of people around me

00:59:48

who are pretty good at um

00:59:51

yeah chicken in you know I've got a

00:59:54

couple running mates um Ollie chicken

00:59:55

being one of them who's really good at

00:59:59

um kind of creating awareness around

01:00:01

like men's mental health especially and

01:00:02

and so I think it's been pretty cool to

01:00:04

have guys like come just check in every

01:00:06

now and then not that I've ever had any

01:00:08

problems but you know it's it's good to

01:00:10

um

01:00:11

like actually have someone to talk to

01:00:12

and and so that was been pretty cool um

01:00:14

and I'm part of a small group

01:00:17

um you know a little bible study thing

01:00:19

that we did this morning too and so

01:00:20

that's that's always helpful having you

01:00:22

know um a couple other guys around me

01:00:24

that have just you know care and you can

01:00:26

be vulnerable with and um yeah that plus

01:00:29

a family and my wife and yeah it's good

01:00:31

do you think I was going to ask you

01:00:32

think your faith helps yeah totally yeah

01:00:34

totally like I I think uh one of my

01:00:37

biggest things is that I um don't find

01:00:40

myself

01:00:41

like holding my identity and running

01:00:43

like I'm like if I lost running and I

01:00:45

think that's probably why I do so many

01:00:46

crazy other stuff because I'm like I'm

01:00:48

like you know if running gets taken away

01:00:50

from me I'm still Sam like I'm not just

01:00:52

Sam that Runner like yeah I am Sam who

01:00:54

runs but I like doesn't really like it

01:00:56

would be sad obviously because it's like

01:00:58

the thing I love to do but if I got

01:01:00

taken away from me I'm like yeah that's

01:01:01

kind of dumb but like my identity is not

01:01:04

in that you know like it's it's in my

01:01:07

faith it's in everything else that I am

01:01:09

rather than just running

01:01:11

that's such a mature way of looking at

01:01:13

it it really is hey

01:01:16

yeah it really is especially when you're

01:01:17

when you're as good as what you are and

01:01:19

no doubt these people kissing your ass a

01:01:21

fear bet yeah or you're running yeah

01:01:23

it's pretty it is pretty funny but um

01:01:25

that's it's good I think I've had some

01:01:28

you know people some pretty wise people

01:01:30

pressing into me and like giving me

01:01:33

encouragement and supporting me you know

01:01:35

even with Nick like it's been good to

01:01:36

have those sorts of conversations with

01:01:37

them and I think you know sometimes you

01:01:39

can fast track

01:01:41

some areas of maturity you know like

01:01:43

this obviously areas where I'm like you

01:01:45

know make a fart joke that's going to

01:01:46

always

01:01:48

it's never not funny you know like well

01:01:52

yeah so so you know you can Fast Track

01:01:55

some bits like that in your life when uh

01:01:57

you've got some pretty good strong

01:02:00

people around you have you ever had any

01:02:02

injuries or anything that sort of got

01:02:04

you down in the dumps oh I was yeah well

01:02:07

after Tokyo the this is like a I'm so

01:02:10

glad they removed isolation but after

01:02:12

Tokyo we got uh we flew to Christchurch

01:02:15

um did isolation quarantine there and I

01:02:18

did two weeks of I wasn't allowed to run

01:02:20

this is

01:02:22

a bit of breaking the rules but I tried

01:02:23

to run once

01:02:25

um there was nobody around no not even

01:02:27

any security guards and I did like two

01:02:29

strides right like I did like it was

01:02:30

like 50 meters and I'm like I could do

01:02:32

that with my breath held I didn't even

01:02:34

have to breathe and they were like they

01:02:37

caught me on camera and I'm like I'm

01:02:40

like they got me on camera I'm like then

01:02:42

the security guard like an army dude

01:02:44

like he was fully decked out in his army

01:02:46

gear I'm like oh crap what have I done

01:02:47

like where am I going I'm gonna go into

01:02:49

solitaire

01:02:51

but anyway like yeah so I whatever just

01:02:54

he top me off he said you're not

01:02:56

actually allowed to run I'm like half

01:02:57

these people are puffing more than I

01:02:58

wrote yeah

01:03:01

um but anyway I got out of uh you just

01:03:04

had to do that one in my acoustant yeah

01:03:06

yeah you're lucky which was great um but

01:03:08

got out of there and my achilles was

01:03:10

giving me massive grief for like a month

01:03:12

maybe two months and I just couldn't run

01:03:15

more than like a k without it just like

01:03:17

getting aggravated and then just going

01:03:19

nut can't run today and I'm like oh and

01:03:21

so that was pretty dumb like it was real

01:03:23

real dumb and but

01:03:26

yeah I kind of dealt with it fine

01:03:28

because I wasn't like you know I was

01:03:31

doing other things I was like yeah and I

01:03:33

can't I can't run but I can still bike I

01:03:35

can still go surfing kind of you know

01:03:37

like and so I I went fishing heaps and

01:03:40

that was good

01:03:41

um

01:03:43

yeah I don't think we're in lockdown

01:03:44

then yeah just out of lockdown so we're

01:03:46

we're fishing and that was really good

01:03:48

so I got to you know have another outlet

01:03:50

and I actually sure when you're worried

01:03:52

though like um weren't you worried about

01:03:54

losing losing Pace I'd be worried about

01:03:56

losing fit I'm not a patch on you I'm

01:03:59

just like a weekend warrior but I'll be

01:04:00

like [ __ ] I'm gonna be oh yeah yeah I

01:04:03

was like I like Craig had me biking

01:04:05

heaps while I was an miq so I came out

01:04:06

real fit too and I was like I know all

01:04:08

that Fitness is gone and so I was like

01:04:11

yeah definitely but um you know

01:04:15

yeah yeah I suppose I was yeah I was

01:04:18

just like I was worried about being like

01:04:19

yeah but then were you at the point now

01:04:21

we we you know that if you have a break

01:04:23

you can you can retrain and get it back

01:04:25

oh totally you have that confidence yeah

01:04:27

totally like I think once your body does

01:04:28

it once you're like oh I can do that

01:04:29

again yeah like 334 the second time was

01:04:32

definitely not as hard as the first time

01:04:33

right you know like

01:04:35

even like I probably ran 334 the first

01:04:37

time before Tokyo like the most perfect

01:04:40

way possible you know negative split

01:04:43

slightly every lap and then closed hard

01:04:45

had someone to chase the whole way

01:04:48

um didn't really have any you know

01:04:50

interruptions in the race

01:04:52

um and then this time we were you know

01:04:54

our splits were a little more uneven and

01:04:57

you know I closed hard and it was still

01:05:00

great you know like yeah yeah and so

01:05:02

yeah I didn't have to really worry about

01:05:04

it but yeah I think the second time you

01:05:06

do it it's definitely easier yeah

01:05:08

it's funny that I'm just I'm just

01:05:10

thinking about your miq experience I had

01:05:12

a similar things so I um I went overseas

01:05:14

last year and I had in my key on the way

01:05:15

back and it was supposed to be seven

01:05:16

days but then it was extended to ten

01:05:18

because someone on the plane tested

01:05:20

positive

01:05:22

um there was someone this was at

01:05:24

Christmas time so it was on Christmas

01:05:25

Eve someone from I was in the car Park

01:05:27

area where you learned to exercise

01:05:29

someone from one of the upper floors

01:05:30

yelled at Merry Christmas and dropped a

01:05:32

Christmas cracker down and I went to

01:05:34

pick it up then an army guy with a

01:05:36

whistle blew his whistle and they like

01:05:37

said holy it was like come on they won't

01:05:41

be covered on the Christmas cracker I

01:05:43

know it's insane that's a it's it's

01:05:45

ridiculous I'm like surely if you're one

01:05:47

of those guys you'd just let us I mean I

01:05:48

would definitely let it slide yeah but

01:05:50

that's probably why they wouldn't hire

01:05:52

me

01:06:00

I think it's one of those ones like you

01:06:04

to do it because you'll look back and

01:06:05

it's a crazy experience it's a real

01:06:07

thing to go

01:06:09

did you enjoy it like did you I didn't

01:06:11

mind it did you hate it would you what

01:06:13

where were you did you have a good food

01:06:14

I was um Crown Plaza in Auckland so yeah

01:06:17

it was I had a big enough room so I'd

01:06:19

walk for an hour each day just like

01:06:20

doing lengths of the hotel room and then

01:06:22

have half an hour in the car park every

01:06:24

now and then in hindsight if I knew it

01:06:25

was going to be 10 days and not seven I

01:06:27

probably would have got a stationary

01:06:28

bike or something yeah but it was fine I

01:06:30

just did some setups and press-ups and

01:06:33

watched a lot of Netflix did you do any

01:06:36

uh any stupid challenges like any any

01:06:38

Netflix is great it's stupid challenges

01:06:40

like what what do you like like for me I

01:06:42

try and run in the exercise yard hell no

01:06:44

no

01:06:46

I didn't do that

01:06:48

[Laughter]

01:06:51

um not like any like dumb exercise

01:06:52

challenges like you did like a thousand

01:06:55

sit-ups in a day or like a thousand

01:06:57

push-ups in a day no I didn't know that

01:06:59

was that was the thing uh I wish I did

01:07:01

though did you I did it I did a thousand

01:07:03

push-ups in a day don't do it don't

01:07:05

recommend so how did you break it up

01:07:07

like 20 every five minutes 20 every five

01:07:12

minutes

01:07:13

how many hours I don't know it wasn't

01:07:16

just 25 hours I was like uh I busted it

01:07:20

out and did like 50 150 you know

01:07:22

whatever else for the first like couple

01:07:24

and then I was like a couple hundred

01:07:25

ahead and I was like oh sweet I'm I can

01:07:27

chill no then it got hard and I was like

01:07:30

oh no and so I just did 20 for the rest

01:07:32

of the day but day before I did a really

01:07:34

bad mistake and did uh like I did them

01:07:36

in sets of like 80 and I'm like because

01:07:39

I mean I did build up to this this was

01:07:40

like the last few days of my in my queue

01:07:43

and uh yeah no don't I don't recommend

01:07:45

doing that but um it was it was good

01:07:48

good challenge yeah good entertainment

01:07:50

like I was like all right five minutes

01:07:51

had a timer on stop the Netflix go sit

01:07:54

down bust it up so when you get back

01:07:55

you've got to do something to kill the

01:07:57

timer what was what was the food like at

01:07:59

yours it was really good it was cold

01:08:01

though so I I invented the um this is my

01:08:04

invention I'm I'm trademarking and

01:08:06

copywriting it whatever in case there's

01:08:07

another pandemic this is yeah case

01:08:09

another pandemic the uh the um cardboard

01:08:12

box hair dryer air fryer and um and so

01:08:17

they sent me like a couple of like

01:08:18

pastries and it was like a dead cold in

01:08:21

like this little McDonald's box and I

01:08:23

like cut a hole in the side and stuck

01:08:25

the hairdryer in there and heated it up

01:08:27

and I fried it perfectly and I'm like

01:08:30

this is genius like what the heck why

01:08:33

has nobody ever told me this it was

01:08:35

either that or the iron and I tried oh

01:08:37

that was pretty scody I tried an iron

01:08:40

once and I was like you know I don't

01:08:42

like the taste of that you could

01:08:43

probably do that with toe stay with

01:08:45

toast or a panini yeah yeah toast

01:08:47

toasted with the iron so press it the um

01:08:50

there was a little game that I ended up

01:08:52

playing at um my hotel and uh you know

01:08:54

you you meet some other people in the

01:08:55

exercise yard and you discussed with

01:08:57

them and it became a thing in the Crown

01:08:58

Plaza so you'd get a knock at the door

01:09:01

like three times a day with your meals

01:09:03

and by the time you get to the door

01:09:04

which is like what two three seconds

01:09:06

yeah nobody inside I know they're gone

01:09:09

oh was it the same with yours yeah so a

01:09:12

good time the point by like day four or

01:09:13

five like I worked out to the time

01:09:15

window where it was I said try and be

01:09:17

there looking through the peep hole and

01:09:19

I could be like

01:09:20

gotcha surprise boy

01:09:26

copied my covert all over you

01:09:28

yeah

01:09:30

I I stuck my head out to pick up my this

01:09:34

was extra this was the extreme I was

01:09:35

like okay you guys taking this a little

01:09:37

far I stuck my head out without a mask

01:09:39

on to take to pick up my food from the

01:09:44

door I stuck my head out with no mask on

01:09:46

for like literally three seconds and my

01:09:50

mate stuck his head out at the same time

01:09:51

he had a mask on he was about four doors

01:09:54

down I was like hey bro how's isolation

01:09:55

going he's like yeah good I was like

01:09:57

sweet see you later like that was

01:09:59

literally the end of our conversation I

01:10:01

got a call from the over the phone and

01:10:04

said hey uh just to let you know uh you

01:10:07

have to it's mandatory to keep your mask

01:10:09

on when you uh out of your room and I'm

01:10:12

like what and she's like the lady's like

01:10:16

yeah

01:10:17

um if you don't you can get your outside

01:10:20

time revoked and I'm like huh and she's

01:10:23

like put a mask on next time you grab

01:10:25

your food I was like okay

01:10:28

thanks

01:10:34

it's crazy because I was um so you're in

01:10:36

my queue was after the the Olympics mine

01:10:39

was a little bit later so mine was

01:10:40

December last year so I I just been I've

01:10:42

been in the UK I've been in Hungary I've

01:10:45

been in Iceland and everyone was just

01:10:46

cracking on with life what were you

01:10:48

doing there I managed to get into my cue

01:10:49

spots I just went over for a holiday oh

01:10:51

sweet good of those guys everybody hates

01:10:55

you right

01:10:56

I was over there for a week and I was

01:10:58

like do I post anything on Instagram or

01:11:00

do I not but I was like [ __ ] it I may as

01:11:02

well

01:11:03

um so then so then yeah we were going

01:11:04

out to restaurants and just living life

01:11:05

normally and then you come back and it's

01:11:06

like don't leave your room without a

01:11:08

mask

01:11:09

oh yeah yeah and then everybody's

01:11:12

wearing their masking supermarkets

01:11:13

you're like

01:11:14

I mean I don't know how much use they're

01:11:17

doing now you know you've touched your

01:11:19

face before you got it in and touched

01:11:20

the Apple that I just grabbed whatever

01:11:25

um okay so uh this is probably a good

01:11:28

point to wrap it up so um you got the

01:11:30

worlds and then the Commonwealth Games

01:11:31

who's who's going over to support you at

01:11:32

the worlds or the Commonwealth Games is

01:11:34

your wife going over yeah yeah amazing

01:11:36

mum dad and Melissa uh

01:11:38

uh going over to com games

01:11:40

um and so they'll be over there end of

01:11:43

July start of August to about the 10th

01:11:46

and we should be cool because I race the

01:11:48

on the fourth and the sixth of August so

01:11:50

as four are they different events or is

01:11:52

left forth like a heat heat okay okay so

01:11:56

the heat's on the fourth and you need to

01:11:58

finish like in the top

01:11:59

three or is it a time thing it depends

01:12:02

how many Heats there are it'll probably

01:12:04

be top three

01:12:05

um probably it'll be most likely top

01:12:08

three and then the next fastest three

01:12:10

based off times right

01:12:12

um but yeah that'll be it and and do you

01:12:15

do you get to stay with Melissa over

01:12:16

there or are you in like a games Village

01:12:18

yeah I'll be in the games Village so um

01:12:20

oh I'm not too sure I'll probably wing

01:12:22

it from when I get over there and just

01:12:24

play it by ear

01:12:26

um but God you're super chill

01:12:29

you're super relaxed

01:12:31

yeah I'm live by the beach Dom that's

01:12:34

what it is

01:12:36

turn into a hippie and start playing the

01:12:39

guitar while surfing no um yeah no I

01:12:43

just I'll just wait and see what happens

01:12:45

and see what my Freedom's like over

01:12:46

there because I mean at at uh Tokyo you

01:12:48

couldn't leave you know like they they

01:12:50

like locked you in like I mean yeah they

01:12:53

yeah you couldn't leave yeah and to be

01:12:55

fair that they did it they did it so

01:12:57

damn well like it would have been it

01:12:58

would have been terrible if there was

01:12:59

some sort of outbreak I'm surprised they

01:13:01

let you run without a mask on I know

01:13:02

yeah but they mind you we did take a

01:13:04

mask off like 30 seconds before we came

01:13:06

into the train because I was like whoa

01:13:08

yeah I mean the the last thing that they

01:13:10

needed was um they wanted obviously

01:13:12

there was so much money invested they

01:13:13

wanted the Olympics to go ahead but they

01:13:15

couldn't have like a yeah like a like a

01:13:17

super Spirit or event or anything like

01:13:18

that and they and credit to them they

01:13:20

did it so [ __ ] well oh they did and

01:13:22

we we tested like every day and I tested

01:13:25

I think three times before I entered

01:13:27

Japan and yeah so it was pretty pretty

01:13:30

hectic but it was um you know necessary

01:13:33

and

01:13:34

I don't like I know one person who had

01:13:37

covert

01:13:39

um and so that was pretty tough for her

01:13:41

she she couldn't like experience the

01:13:43

whole village thing like one of the

01:13:45

competitors yeah in the New Zealand team

01:13:47

oh God and so she

01:13:49

um it was like in isolation in the

01:13:52

village and she had she couldn't go to

01:13:53

the dining hall until like after her

01:13:55

like quarantine was you know done so she

01:13:58

I think she had like couple days or

01:14:00

something but yeah because not even she

01:14:03

she didn't even have covert it was one

01:14:04

of the um people on her plane over oh so

01:14:07

she was like a close contact yeah so

01:14:08

she's a close contact oh infuriating and

01:14:10

so she's like I don't even have covert

01:14:11

this is so dumb

01:14:13

um so she was still at a race but uh

01:14:15

yeah so she was testing negative the

01:14:17

whole time

01:14:19

um yeah it's nuts and and what what does

01:14:21

the future look look like for you are

01:14:22

you much of like a goal Setter or do you

01:14:24

just you're just going to keep going and

01:14:25

hopefully keep getting faster yeah be

01:14:28

the next Nick Willis still be doing this

01:14:30

when you're 50. yeah not 50. please no

01:14:34

um yeah it can't get any like credit to

01:14:36

what Nick Willis has done like it can't

01:14:38

get any easier like the training and oh

01:14:40

no you know if it gets harder yeah I

01:14:42

agree I agree yeah it's it's I don't

01:14:45

know what's it like running when you're

01:14:48

do you what are you 46 40 49 49 49 I got

01:14:52

a bad name

01:14:54

thank you I'm gonna be at the moment and

01:14:57

I've just been going to going to Physio

01:14:59

um with the ACC discount what would uh

01:15:01

what would Sam Tanner be doing with a

01:15:03

knee injury where would you be going

01:15:04

who's the specialist Leanna Leanna back

01:15:07

in Action physio Leanna and uh great and

01:15:10

best physio around she will bust her

01:15:13

balls to find the problem and the cause

01:15:15

of the problem and so she's been great

01:15:18

like I've I've had a couple niggles but

01:15:19

then they just disappear you know

01:15:21

because she's just like all right you

01:15:22

need to straighten this up your hips a

01:15:24

little low or you know like just very

01:15:26

very fine tuning but like very necessary

01:15:29

to to be either preventing injury or

01:15:32

being more efficient while running right

01:15:33

that's not the answer I was expecting I

01:15:35

was thinking um there's like some

01:15:37

cryogenic chamber that you go to in

01:15:39

amsterdamn really just a just a okay

01:15:43

just a physio ingredient

01:15:45

she's she's awesome yeah how's your body

01:15:48

been mostly good yeah not too many

01:15:49

injury concerns no not mostly good

01:15:52

um

01:15:53

yeah I don't know actually last year but

01:15:55

yeah been pretty lucky

01:15:57

um I try to stay on top of things like

01:15:59

every now and then there'll be like a

01:16:00

little thing that'll pop up but yeah

01:16:02

I've been pretty healthy and

01:16:04

um you know how to like a cold or

01:16:06

something but other than that's good

01:16:07

yeah yeah oh amazing oh you're an

01:16:10

absolute beast and it's been an honor to

01:16:12

have you on the podcast today

01:16:14

the best of luck at the com games thanks

01:16:16

for being so open and honest and sharing

01:16:18

the worst cheers Tom

01:16:20

all right let's go and hit those waves

01:16:22

all right we're going surfing go fishing

01:16:24

foreign

Episode Highlights

Fastest Man in New Zealand
At just 21, Samuel Tanner is the fastest man in New Zealand over 1500 meters, having run a sub-four minute mile as a teenager.
“It's pretty nuts, I think I was the first teenager in New Zealand history to run sub four in the mile.”
@ 02m 42s
October 24, 2022
Addicted to Running
Samuel Tanner expresses his deep passion for running, stating, "I love running, I'm addicted to it."
“I love running, I'm addicted to it.”
@ 07m 57s
October 24, 2022
The Importance of Positioning
Positioning yourself well in a race is crucial for success, especially in the final stretch.
“The whole race is just positioning yourself up until the last 400 meters.”
@ 18m 33s
October 24, 2022
Nick Willis' Legacy
Nick Willis has set an incredible standard in middle-distance running for over 20 years.
“He’s been around since then till now your entire life.”
@ 24m 21s
October 24, 2022
Olympic Experience
Despite the challenges, the athlete cherishes the experience of being at the Olympics.
“I can’t be grumpy at my performance; I’m at the Olympic Games!”
@ 33m 07s
October 24, 2022
Olympic Experience
A moment of disbelief and excitement at being at the Olympics.
“What the heck am I doing here?”
@ 35m 52s
October 24, 2022
Miraculous Healing
Astonishing story of a broken hand healing through prayer.
“Wow, that's pretty cool!”
@ 41m 04s
October 24, 2022
Finding Love
Discussing the early days of their relationship and the maturity it brought.
“This is easy, doing life with her.”
@ 47m 04s
October 24, 2022
Free Motorbikes in New Zealand
He bought two motorbikes with his stipend money while in New Zealand.
“Those are like free motorbikes!”
@ 54m 13s
October 24, 2022
Identity Beyond Running
He reflects on how his identity is not solely tied to running.
“If running gets taken away from me, I'm still Sam.”
@ 01h 00m 52s
October 24, 2022
Family Support at the Games
The athlete shares that his wife, parents, and friends will support him at the Commonwealth Games.
“Your wife going over? Yeah, amazing!”
@ 01h 11m 34s
October 24, 2022
Training Challenges
The conversation touches on the increasing difficulty of training as one ages.
“It can't get any easier, like the training.”
@ 01h 14m 38s
October 24, 2022

Episode Quotes

I love running, I'm addicted to it.
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
A Commonwealth Games medal would be a dream come true.
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
I’m at the Olympics!
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
That was hard, oh yeah.
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
I don't do it for the money, I do it for the love of it.
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
You're super chill, you're super relaxed.
Sam Tanner on the prayer that came true || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey

Key Moments

Skateboarding and Trampolining04:00
Training with Craig05:38
Addiction to Running07:57
Race Strategy18:31
Training Bonds34:26
Free Motorbikes54:13
Identity and Faith1:00:52
Injury Prevention1:15:13

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