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hey Runners only with dime Harley 's only with dom Harvey and New Zealand television royalty Lee Hart good day
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great to be on you know Runners only you know that's what I do yeah I've heard
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um where did the where did the g'day mate thing come from What's um what's
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the big story with g'day basically it was from my radio days with Jason Hoyt
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right oh is this the afternoon show who's your radio on yeah so but where it
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actually came from um my father who lives in Christchurch now but he's on the west coast and South
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Island originally him and his best mate who we've died last year actually um that was quite funny whenever one of
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them would walk into the room or they saw each other they would always go you know
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like with a high up inflection it's weird so it was just sort of with me the
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whole time so then on radio um Jason all been introduced to you just like that and I don't know man you know
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it just sort of resonated so I think my father was probably watching that listening to that and going he's ripped
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me off well it's become like a catchphrase yeah and yeah yeah and they're they're sorry
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I was out on a coffee date earlier today with um with this um young kid that does
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a podcast he's 20 years old and I told him that I was I was I have had you in
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this afternoon he was excited he was like so I'll say g'day mate from me who
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is your fan base um well that's a really good question who knows um I'm very disposed who knows it's
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people you know a lot of people are familiar with sort of the early Moon TV type
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stuff remember coming on your show and talking about that when we had a show out that kind of thing a lot of those
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people have grown up now so they're in their 30s and 40s kind of thing they were you know young then that's how long
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ago it was but then you've got a new the radio people um the ACC people but then you've got
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like you know I suppose people that know if I like the hell is hella stuff you know I can't
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they say that hasn't had a some sort of effect yeah household Shoppers mums you
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know if it doesn't surprise you when when youngest sort of people like um you
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know guys in their late teens early 20s are massive fans oh yeah totally yeah it's it's weird
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um but I think that's the sort of the content's always been quite irreverent
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and sort of you know anarchic kind of stuff so resonates with younger with younger people immature people I think
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they probably see me as obviously an adult but probably rightly wrongly and immature
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yeah yeah I like that so rather than like a demographic it's more like a psychograph yeah I think so but the
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people go oh yeah he'd be alive have a beer with whatever that might be a real
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pain in the ass you know yeah you know but I think to a degree you you probably end up
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paying up to that Persona a little bit you know I don't know where it starts
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and finishes but you probably end up filling in the gaps of people and you know in fact that's got to be um
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that's going to be a lot of pressure when you're out in public I mean you're
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you're in the early 50s now so I'm guessing you're not going to bars or
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clubs all that often oh sorry I'm sure you're dead right but as it was last night oh yeah because is it
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a nightmare for you being around drunk people no so I went to a concert last night
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um so it was a good night for Thursday but obviously we thought oh we'll go to a
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few bars afterwards you know finish an idol which is pretty rare you're right
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I'm living just down the road from a whole lot but I don't tend to I prefer
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to be at home with a few mates um but no you get a lot of people sort of come up and you know the photo thing
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you know that's about and it's fine actually because people are pretty nice to you yeah yeah there's no
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there's no one you know a decade you dropped the ball lost us that test you know what can they say I
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mean they didn't like the gag that's pretty you know yeah I'm a vegetarian I
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hate sausages um it's pretty frivolous stuff so that you know that's all and it's pretty well
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meaning and no it's not really asking about this the other day people go do you get sick of it people coming up now
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I quite like it you know not in an egotistical way but I quite like that it's you're connecting because what
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other way do you have of knowing that you know it's not like you've got Nielsen data to go you know
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if if it's probably more when people stop doing that you'd be more that's the
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concern yeah and I suppose in a way um I was on someone else's podcast and I
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was saying this I was saying say you're Mike McRoberts I guess or Dr Chris Warner and you're out in public people
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don't actually like you for who you are they like you because you're on TV and
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they recognize you but I suppose if someone comes up to you that you've made
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that connection with them and it's a reflection of the [ __ ] hard work you've done over many years yeah and I
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think so you're right they're they're an actor playing a part or a News Journal
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doing a role whereas I think even if I'm doing the the college stuff for radio
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stuff um whatever it is I I hope I could be a little bit presumptuously but I think
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they can see that the real person and the social codes are fairly close you know they're not too different and
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I'm not going off on like you know um totally acting a totally different role it's just an exaggerated version of
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who I am so I think in some kind of way people relate to it because they think Ah that's probably exactly what he's
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like and hopefully I'm not exactly like that but they're right it is you're like
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an exaggerated version of yourself an exaggerated version that's all that's
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all it is and that's why it's easy to do I mean a show like no big breakfast
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where you're playing a bethunis reporter really he you know really that's going to reject those
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stupid questions the Prime Minister and stuff but that's the question is going what wouldn't it be funny if you
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did you know that's yeah that's what you're doing really is exaggerating it
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um and the jokes normally on me that's the idea I've always tried to take that
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approach another another reason people might sort of relate to as opposed to someone who's going at people and trying
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to expose them and and oh you said this you know really I'm just trying to get
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give everyone a laugh entertainment yeah and light-hearted and dry and whatever but you know I've never thought too much
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about the process or should we've got to do more of this or well it would be
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funny it's just it's just yourself but a bit more exaggerated yeah I've got mates
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that I think are funnier than me kind of thing but they just can't really pull it
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off in any other you know in a sort of professional sort of way I suppose but you're inspired by them yeah yeah okay
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so um can we went straight into there's so much to chat about with you like you're such a fascinating intriguing and
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in some ways mysterious guy so I'm not talking about my running now no okay can
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we talk about that what is your relationship with running I hate it tell me that's good let's just get it out now so
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yeah well this is the thing with the podcast I say everyone in New Zealand has got some relationship or connection
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with running even if it's being triggered by the doing the school cross country
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to have boarding school in Christchurch for me kind of young age and it was fairly full-on we had to run at six in
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the morning every morning you know around the block and you're going to go one with the other some people love that
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and they probably got an addiction to it then or you know and went the other way
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with me and then I went to high school it was even worse because we had quite a close College in Christchurch it was
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pretty archaic back then pretty full-on um and sports stuff would come up our house or whatever it was very
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competitive so the seniors would make us run around Hagley Park at like six in the morning like nine at night with a
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blue horn and they're right there on a bike and you've got to run from the back
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to the front back the front Indian fire whatever until we were chundering we're
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literally happened until we're spearing up it was just ridiculous totally every I've said this before
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every day of that school back then would be on seven sharp oh no yeah someone would put on Tick Tock and you know
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they'd almost have a section of it every day and so for me that's a lot of my
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mates they they ran and they still run and it didn't do that to them but for me
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Bill I went to go to church chapel every day and now I hate going to church if you know what I mean so yeah I think it
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was just had too much of it and it didn't come that naturally to me I'd rather I'd rather swim for an hour than
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run for now would you yeah yeah quite nice for me yeah yeah well I I like the reason I run us to the mental health
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benefits like I find it amazing but I I mean I said to anyone for me it's running but I'm not trying to Ram
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running down anyone's throat yeah well I don't do a lot of swimming now um but I do boxing and then go to
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gym-based leads boxing for me I really like as an aerobic type of thing um and anything yeah um I'm walking
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yeah yeah yep um I've actually remember his ass the other day whether I wanted to do uh
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it's not a bucket list thing for me everything but the fact that someone mentioned it had me thinking I Googled
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it it sounds pretty full-on about 18 000 feet um you know so it doesn't matter how fit
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you are you don't know how you're going to react to the altitude and you can be
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really fit um but you still may just freak out it because you know um and I don't know
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what that's kind of like I used to live at 13 000 feet improved for about five
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years when I was a kid yeah yeah I know let's go back there so we'll try and do
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this in some sort of sequential order so so you're born so you're born you're born in Greymouth
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52 years ago and 50 I mean I never had anything okay so and you moved to Peru at what age yeah that's
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why I left um the left New Zealand was about one and went to Hong Kong for a couple years
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why Dad's job dad he was an ex he was a coal miner and he sort of converted that
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into a tunnel what's you know similar sort of thing but you know he's building
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Hydro schemes and irrigation projects this kind of stuff so pretty full-on stuff so I think Hong Kong was probably
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a hydro scheme or something and then Australia I started school in Melbourne when it's five for a couple years
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um and then we went to Peru and that was the top of the Andes the Miller nowhere
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four hours drive dusty road to the nearest civilization it's literally Inca Villages all around us and stuff the
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Condor Canyon a lot of people might have been up there on a tourism thing now there were no roads up there then the
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dad's company had to build the roads and that was a 13 30 and a half thousand
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feet up and we were just living up there with 15 other expat sort of kids you know from England Canada Sweden and just
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in a little school and I loved it I've got better memories of that time I'm you
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know more clearer memories than you know any other part of my life you know really I'm certainly more than my
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twenties so you're in you're in Peru for how many years yeah I was there for about oh
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about five years right and then then we got some back to boarding school parents
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stayed there for a couple years but we would travel back and forth who's who's
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waiting oh my brother older brother he was about two years older all right boarding school in New Zealand yeah so
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you're in New Zealand that boarding school your parents are in South America
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11 year old they dropped us back and I remember mum dropped us at the school and I didn't see them for a year
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then you know at the age of 11 yeah and then seven parents for a whole year and this is a you and I are a similar
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age that's a time where a toll call um was like a thousand dollars no email no
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no no FaceTime all right yeah and even phone call for him that had to be done from his office you know and you know a
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facts maybe would come through to the school if it's something important but
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no there's no communication other than letter writing and remember they came
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back a couple weeks earlier than I thought they were going to I had a thing on the on the wall if you actually
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forgot how what they looked like you know that sort of you know that's that long well you think you're 11 years old
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so a whole year is like 10 of your life yeah and it could have gone one way the other I mean if we didn't if my brother
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and I reacted badly to the whole thing is oh you know they've got all sort of
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homesick and you know eventually they'll just have to go [ __ ] this isn't working
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and he'd have to give up his job I suppose so he said there's a lot of pressure on us to make it work and we're
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both I think we got on with it I'm not sort of trying to say we sort of toughened up
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or anything but it's certainly and that that carried on for the next four you
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know through high school as well but they moved from there to Indonesia they're Malaysia and Sri Lanka and we
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would travel every school holidays to somewhere Indonesia or Malaysia the milanoia in the jungle so it was really
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weird upbringing that way so I never really felt like I always felt like an outsider
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in New Zealand it's weird that people imagine that you didn't like have a home
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or a base or I was playing catch up rugby literally in the sense I didn't know what rugby was until they came back
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at 10 years everyone else grew up with a cricket that's why I'm [ __ ] it now
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because I took it up so late you know but when I was doing this so I always felt like an outsider we had a weird
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accent you know from all the other yeah kids to hang out with um and especially when we went back of
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course to school holidays you know people trying to work out where these guys actually from where they're you
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know um and it was only in later years um post school really that I started to even feel like I was a sort of a kiwi
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kind of thing and it's kind of weird because a lot of um blokes out there I suppose here young
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probably associate me there's a kiwi guy kind of thing you know about completely
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yeah yeah but went under sort of something I've sort of adapted but originally certainly I didn't have that
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upbringing that people would probably think I did like growing up in the west coast for Tim I didn't know that when I
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was one yeah I still I still reference it and the way it was a spiritual home you know the
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grandparents and stuff where they used to go back all the time and visit it and it feels like I feel like I came from
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there because my parents both were and yeah I suppose together the product of your parents but no I certainly didn't
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really live there so so that yeah well you've done it very very well um so that yeah so you were 11 years old
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you didn't see your parents were not even school holidays what did you do in
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school holidays yeah that we would have to go well if go to the West Coast and jump on anything myself stay with my
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grandparents on this little shitty little in this little house and Grandma was just in a wheelchair Granddad was
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Jack and Cole and the fire day didn't really talk to us [Laughter] different ages they just got raised by
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each other kind of thing yeah they're not like nowadays how we model coddle our kids it's a grandfather's certainly
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not gonna run around and you know you know he would talk to us if we talk to him
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there's this place called shanty town just out of Greymouth which is about 30k
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from where we were living but my grandparents and we said hey Granddad can we go to shanty town he goes yeah
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there's a bike and the bike in the Garrison and my brother and I had to get on the same bike and bike every bike you
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know it took about four hours to get there and we got there and it was shot it was closed I suppose for renovations
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his bike back again and and now all with all that state I had an aunt and uncle in Christ which you might say they all
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would go to friends places yeah a friend's farm this kind of stuff which I always
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I think that's something that's I've carried on I'm quite a homebody now I
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don't like staying at other people's houses much anymore and I'm wondering
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I'm just sort of announced whether it was because of that I never liked I never felt comfortable staying at
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another like getting billeted with the family you don't really know and you're sort of
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on your best behavior and you're not you're not you're not you're not feeling
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totally comfortable until you know those people really really well you know and always felt we were a burden on this
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family that felt sorry for us because we didn't have any parents so they took us
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and yeah I might start crying in a minute did you did you did you cry a lot that year no I don't think how are your
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brother's older than you yeah they're 18 months older so that I made it easier in
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a way yeah but he had no one to look up to or support no that's right so and he
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went to high school before I did so he sort of paved the way so it was slightly easier but having said that we were both
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in trouble a little bit here and there not for bad stuff but just you know boys sort of stuff but I actually do
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remember when he left the the the first we went to and went on to high school and left me alone there I
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was actually quite relieved because I didn't have to worry about him anymore
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you know which is weird sort of thing to say but really yeah how do you make what
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do you mean well I I would have thought he would take on the protector role wow he's sort of did but what I mean is I
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knew I could sort of handle myself in the sense that if I go in trouble I got in trouble if he was if he got in
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trouble with school I wouldn't have to know about it you know I mean um and the same sort of
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thing that happened we went to college College to say the first thing he said just two years old if you get thrown
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down the stairs in a suitcase just roll with it you know that you just don't
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fight back you know because they'll come after me you know so you know so so he
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said I learned I know it sounds ridiculous now but just it's like going into prison you
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know keep to yourself don't don't look at anywhere in the eye don't tell them what you're in for yes
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you know back to the wall you know and uh it's a bit like that so no that was certainly helpful having an
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older brother I think um yeah I wouldn't be more worried if I had a younger brother for sure then I'd
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seem to look after so you never thought about that he was probably you know relieved tonight do you do you look back
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now with any sort of like like resentment at all towards your parents or no no no and Mum though she's we
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wired her up um sometimes she's got some guilt about it and I sometimes think when I jumped
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up with him oh well mum you know you abandoned us and she said she gets really upset about
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it but we can only say that because no honestly it was the best thing that happened to us I think in a way
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um yeah I think because I well there's no choice in a way there was no future
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in education the school in Peru I was this 15 year old or 10 year old you know those sort of like Little Country School
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okay nowhere we had to get educated at some point and that obscure upbringing you can't you couldn't you
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couldn't script it you couldn't pay for that and expect you know it was just so
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Random I think a lot of those experiences hopefully have probably shaped other stuff I've done
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later on risks I've sort of Taken I suppose to think [ __ ] well it's you know
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if we could get through that we can you know do anything sort of thing or um when I said earlier I felt different
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would sometimes felt like a negative thing it could also have been a positive thing
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I think I felt different so I could do something different yeah I mean I wasn't
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expected to do the normal things you know whereas if I may be growing up you know the whole new typical New Zealand
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thing you know primers you know primary schools rugby doing that sort of stuff I
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just would have been another another I don't know I'm sure that must have
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affected one of the most resilient people on New Zealand TV I think uh and in terms of
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what you've what you've what you've done just grafting your way through I wonder
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how that comes from your childhood yeah I think so I think so um and it didn't
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you know it's all your combined experience and the school as well yeah it was such a I mean I I was in trouble
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a lot at the high school you know what sort of what sort of trouble are we talking well it was a boarding school so
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sneaking out at night um you know not going to church hiding in the park um I wasn't a smoker but there was
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people smoking the bikes so they would be getting caned for that um you know no I was never into anything
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later on of course it was drinking that kind of thing but there was never anything too sinister there's no such
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drugs or something like that it was more taking the piss I suppose you know just
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being a smart ass it's such a structured school we didn't have to do too much to
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be a class comedian you know um it sounds a bit like my I went to pharmacy boys high so if you've walked around
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with your socks down by your Nomads or your tricks that was detention totally and then if you get three intentions
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they can't give another one so they can you yes you know so and because you're a
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border uh they'll be dating you every week and you'll be like well I've got
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nowhere to go anyway again it could have been so easy to have gone the other way rather than gone I
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hate this and I look back now and all the I had the caning record for one term 36 or 40 Strokes or something at a 10.
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well then they do like one at a time or two strikes you either get two and there's no such thing as one there was
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two three four or six there's no such thing as five but but it once again once you get in
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trouble and you're on the radar of of these sort of teachers and stuff and you're on a short leash
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look back now I'm going we're much easier to play you know and you would never be in trouble and just you
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could have gone to them if you knew what you knew now you could have yeah with anything but now you have to you know we
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had of course um our boarding house is famous for having Charles Upham the war hero there yeah Victoria Cross one yeah
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that's right so we kind of aspired he would have done this kind of he would have snuck out and got Burgers down
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you can use that mission to Justified well that's 50 years ago you know look
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um yes I think um again it could have gone one or the other you know I mean I got suspended
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um it was for breaking even and drinking something but for two weeks and that was
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pretty tough because my parents were overseas um and I had to go stay at my aunt and
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uncle's house in Christchurch you know and um I had to explain to them that you
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know I actually even think about it now I've that's been pretty tough for them
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um missing out sort of the one minute that see us as a 13 year old or a 12 year next thing that we were 15 next
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minute were the university I mean there's just jumps you know um I mean how's your brother did is he
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turned out good [Laughter] he's he's good he so we were pretty close in a way we're not the sort of you
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know Huggy sort of close because he's certainly not like that but I think where she probably got close to a lot of
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other brothers but again because of the bizarre experiences we went through that
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only that only we know yeah absolutely even our parents don't know in a way exactly how it was well I think we're a
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close family because of that um because now you can't explain it to anyone else
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how weird it was but I bet he's good and I was in a band with him for about three
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or four years um which was good he you know he's different older brother he's the one
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that tells me what I'm doing wrong and he if he's handy he can fix stuff and he
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comes around to my place that I've done he's always checking things out now he's
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going to leave like that are you oh you're gonna you know why'd you why'd
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you do it that way you know he's very you know what is what does he do he's
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sort of doing uh web sort of online stuff editing you don't even know online
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it's like being with my brother and sisters I don't really know what they do
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I don't care you're famous why should you make everybody no but he's good he's uh he's
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been a good um yeah a good inspiration I suppose yeah and where are your parents
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now they still overseas now so they retired um and yeah just out of Christchurch so
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so they were in the UK for your dad um helped build the uh the English Channel tunnel yeah
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oh you did as well yeah so what happened he his last in Sri Lanka uh one of the later jobs he
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lost his leg below the knee um when I was my last year at school I think in a telling accident sort of so
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that he didn't retire he kept working another 10 years or so but it kind of affected
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some of the jobs he would do he wouldn't be going so far to the jungle and stuff
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so he ended up getting a job on the channel tunnel you know between England and France course and that's such a
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massive project that you know ten thousands of guys working on and he was heading up a whole
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sort of Department almost the all the outside stuff going in kind of thing and so because of his leg he wasn't really
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allowed in the tunnel and by this stage my brother and I were at University or I was my first year I think
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and pretty much goofing around you know that first year were you well yeah what was your ba
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you don't think what really was a sort of look people at University I'll go I'll sort of that
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later yeah yeah yeah and the first year was certainly a case of look I'll get it all out of my system
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this year and catch up all the points next year you know just so and it was the start of my second year and I was I
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suppose I started to knuckle down and and there were jobs getting the channel tunnel you know laboring some jobs such
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really really good money because it's all on the bonus system so he rang up and said look
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um it wasn't really nepotism in a way because you wouldn't be working anywhere
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near him or anything but you know he a few contacts said okay so my brother and I both went over and got a job on the
00:25:07
channel tunnel for about three years um pumping concrete into the into the roof that sounds like real hard work really
00:25:14
full-on and again that feels like another life well it wasn't that hard I mean
00:25:18
um yeah sort of young then and but it was again we talk about bizarre experiences
00:25:25
this ridiculous amount of different shift patterns so everyone's living in pretty much in the Two Towns Dover or
00:25:30
folkestone on the English side and it was a 24 out for about three or four years it was just 24 hour people would
00:25:37
be coming off their shift you'd be finishing work at three in the morning and you could be on that shift for two
00:25:42
weeks in a row so you have to go for a beer of course after work so you're you're at about three in the morning
00:25:47
till six and then you go to bed at six in the morning and wake up at one in the afternoon get up have a shower you
00:25:54
haven't seen daylight yet because you're in the tunnel and then you know and or
00:25:58
you could be so long story short no matter what shift pack you were there would be thousands of people literally
00:26:05
on the past 80 24 7 it's like Las Vegas there's no daylight or no clocks yeah no
00:26:11
clocks and of course because of that of course heaps of women Etc move the town all these guys heaps of money so the
00:26:16
whole thing turned into a sort of um Yukon Gold sort of rush sort of town for two or three years
00:26:22
um which is incredible and again so many characters and stuff there imagine all these people who are Irish from northern
00:26:29
England Wales Scottish you know all the mining sort of parts of the UK working there and really funny full-on work hard
00:26:35
sort of play hard guys so again probably more bad habits they end up you know it's normal to be
00:26:42
drinking at five in the morning you know okay can you bury it sex in the morning
00:26:45
because you you do your shift yeah you did it you know but it's not so normal
00:26:49
if you do it now unless you're at the airport for some reason yeah it doesn't matter you know so okay so
00:26:57
you you did one year university then you went overseas for three years but then you came back to New Zealand and
00:27:02
finished your degree um and I pretty much well always music was always there or thereabouts with us
00:27:09
and I ended up going to Scotland after that and I left the tunnel and played a little duo with a friend of mine like a
00:27:15
band was that wild turkey it was the it was the you know so Matt and I just I got a guitar and stuff and
00:27:22
we almost in pubs but sort of bust away for a few months think [ __ ] this is really good here if we had a half decent
00:27:29
band we could come back here and do something good so we went back to New Zealand hooked up with my brother
00:27:33
started a band we're pretty Rough and Ready sort of three-quarter rock and roll sort of band but we had something
00:27:39
about us um probably a lack of knowledge of how bad we were that was probably our
00:27:46
biggest skill ignorance ego is bigger than our talent and so much so this is pretty cool we put a CD
00:27:56
out and stuff and original stuff but um saved a whole lot of money up went back to Scotland
00:28:02
um played there for about another two years or so a year or so and then from Scotland went to France at the ski
00:28:08
resorts and played there and and that's where we went to jail oh yeah yeah you've done hard times 11 days
00:28:17
what was there for like an immigration thing yeah it was enough I I should get a better story for it because it was
00:28:22
nice really it was we were playing too loud and we're on the radar of the the French
00:28:28
police there anyway they'd been a few warnings but it didn't seem too serious
00:28:31
that time for us but one day they put our van over and pretty much asked for our paperwork you know papers you know
00:28:36
and it sort of seemed that we'd come in illegally which we didn't assess that
00:28:41
our passports weren't stamped but besides that we didn't really have work
00:28:46
permit to be you know so the con um confiscate all our money search our apartment home to find a lot of stuff
00:28:53
there but I've just found a lot of bottles of bourbon I'd say and then uh
00:28:56
then they sent us to Jail uh awaiting deportation 11 days that seems well it's not it's
00:29:03
not an exact science so they that they go it could be two days they go you stay here until we book the cheapest flight
00:29:12
we can you know we can make all the arrangements kind of thing and they can keep you a maximum of 11 days or 12 days
00:29:18
or something so you could have gone at seven but for some either on purpose to make a point or just through the
00:29:24
bureaucracy of the whole thing it ended up being the full stint no good behavior but that was funny
00:29:31
because you think oh it's just an immigration prison but actually that was quite full-on because
00:29:37
um you gotta imagine you know France is fairly you know with the whole um their past you know there's Morocco
00:29:45
everyone everyone else in there was from um Algeria Morocco you know um the French Colonial you know overstands
00:29:53
and stuff but these guys have been here for 20 30 years in France they've got
00:29:55
families and kids there so they're getting deported back to war torn countries and stuff and they're pretty
00:30:00
desperate guys I don't want to be going back you know so there's there's some
00:30:05
pretty yeah um two little white guys in there you know it was just ridiculous I mean they were
00:30:12
Hunger striking and everything to you know to make a point and we're like oh
00:30:15
[ __ ] okay and they would say to us are you hunger striking with us today why no
00:30:21
no it's quite good are you having that knife but you know it was it was kind of funny but Matt was
00:30:30
quite Matt Johnson he was the drummer um who I did moons TV stuff with a little bit later on as well but I
00:30:37
remember in this van driving there and uh he was quite worried he's a couple
00:30:41
years younger than me I wouldn't say he was you know upset or anything but I
00:30:44
could tell he was really you know quite quite sort of scared and I said look don't worry mate it'll just be like a
00:30:49
glorified departure Lounge we just won't be able to leave you know um and you
00:30:53
know until we fly out he goes okay the van pulls around this thing and it's honestly it's like cold it's Castle I've
00:30:59
got a photo for something I've got to try and get more handy and I end up we
00:31:04
end up Googling the place later on um you know more recently recently and that actual building used to be used um
00:31:11
by the Gestapo in World War II because this is Leon and um the guitar and the cassava used it for interrogating you
00:31:18
know people and stuff during the war and so it's a pretty you know it was an
00:31:21
actual jail it was an actual jail yeah it was sales and stuff but I suppose um I mean you could feel sorry for yourself
00:31:26
but yeah like the way you explained before about you know people being ripped from their families and sent back
00:31:31
into the awful countries I suppose it gives you a bit of perspective oh look we by the stage we couldn't wait to get
00:31:35
back to New Zealand we almost felt like we were and they've sort of made a special
00:31:53
faster for something that I bring drinks and stuff but long story short once we got back to
00:31:58
New Zealand we said that experience combined with you know it's a you know we have a fairly a lot of fights going
00:32:03
on with the band and stuff and God knows why when I think about it but it's a lot
00:32:06
of stress we sort of realized that we let's let's just give the band a bit of
00:32:10
a break okay and let's do other stuff so yeah so because you because you we so
00:32:14
when you're at University you started a newspaper called um the Moon Moon Yeah
00:32:18
well I was more actually around about this time so I went back and said let's
00:32:21
give the band [Music] um and I went to film and TV School thinking okay I might give that a crack
00:32:32
as a film and TV school that it was it was a total waste of time and money other than the fact that it it
00:32:39
because nothing's really a wasted time if you get something out of it and I think what I got out of it was quite
00:32:45
like this kind of stuff couldn't put my finger on it what I wanted to do whether
00:32:48
it was directing writing whatever but in that area um and also that it might be okay at it
00:32:53
you know I mean you know did you have sort of a Creative Flair even though you've never done anything creative yeah
00:32:58
I think so I was always I mean I always the band had a bit of that going on because you
00:33:03
know when you do so many really good gigs but then terrible gigs you know in Timaru there's four people there and
00:33:09
someone's like the movie putting the Jukebox music on doing the thing or you've got to stop at 7 23 on the dot
00:33:16
and they and the fans got a shot in the and racing now a dog races on you've got to stop then
00:33:23
you're Pagan you really have to develop a sort of a thick skin and a sort of a
00:33:26
sense of humor yeah so we're to have the three of us on stage so although we we
00:33:30
thought we're a pretty cool sort of rock and roll band I'm gonna think about it
00:33:33
we're actually more of a comedy show really we're going um you know amusing
00:33:36
ourselves we're going there's four people there ignoring us we're going
00:33:39
well we've got a dance competition coming up very shortly and what are the prizes man well we've got a set of
00:33:44
waterproof bed sheets to give away and we've got a one-hours fans do any more
00:33:47
than that yes we've got this and uh you know so make sure you enter the dance
00:33:51
competition get off get off you know but so that I think and always liked humor like comedy
00:34:00
that sort of stuff but again I didn't grow up with the New Zealand committee
00:34:03
though it was probably more British stuff at all but even overseas we didn't
00:34:07
really have TV or anything so maybe from your parents whatever but yes I went to
00:34:12
film a TV school I thought I'm one way to make some money I started up a newspaper and because it
00:34:18
came out monthly I would call it the Moon it says oh that's where it came monthly
00:34:24
cycle yeah as opposed to the sun you know so it was a satire paper so like the onion yeah I think was I familiar
00:34:31
with the onion then maybe I was or maybe was the onion even a thing then it sort of preempted probably more
00:34:37
remember this this Comics there's a bit like that and I didn't really like the cartoons
00:34:43
but the the classifieds and the stupid um I've got for sale a secondhand microwave only this sort of stuff and
00:34:51
it's just ludicrous stuff I think that inspired me so I ended up writing all the columns you know there's
00:34:56
a Garden City Yeti fat to affection is there really a Yeti going through the Henry Park kind of thing you know
00:35:03
Bigfoot stuff and writing all the columns then selling advertising to people you know so how many how many I
00:35:10
like in my mind I've got a vision of like the Coffee News 16 to 20 Pages [ __ ] yep so you know how
00:35:19
much of it was how many how many ads how much content mainly content yeah mainly
00:35:23
content and then there'd be a few ads and a few fake ads and a few ads I just
00:35:28
put in for free for people that didn't even know I put in that just to make it
00:35:31
look you know but just I was working until four in the morning and it's amazing how you used to have your work
00:35:35
ethic that's one thing that has changed four in the morning and it was quite a
00:35:39
Hands-On thing again this is pretty digital so I'd have to print out all the
00:35:43
stuff these articles stick them on these sort of broad sheets with PVA glue and stuff and I made bits of letters and
00:35:50
headlines stuck in my head in the morning all sort of stuff then send it down to Timaru where it got printed by a
00:35:56
newspaper printer that sent 10 000 these things back a jump in a van go around all the cafes radio stations we'd ever
00:36:03
drop them off and put them out for nothing oh you're doing like a okay I sort of imagined you like going to the
00:36:09
library and photocopying it and doing it like a small route ten thousand copies oh yeah that was legit yeah that's why I
00:36:14
have to use a proper newspaper printer to do it because it would have been too expensive to
00:36:19
um some of the free things to like rip it up make it free thing yeah and I was trying to make money from the
00:36:23
advertising so I never made any money but I might have what it did I did enough to do the next step next month
00:36:30
you know um and then I moved to Auckland now to pursue TV and I thought I'd carry on I
00:36:35
might as well keep the paper going you know more again probably out of ego then soon it wasn't Financial
00:36:41
um so did you feel like you were on to onto something though did you feel like it could be yeah I thought that this
00:36:47
would take off um and at different timings with that content I think it probably could have
00:36:52
but nothing is wasted because I was trying it hard to get jobs in TV and I got to the stage where I was done about
00:36:58
16 issues of this thing by this stage um and I was trying to get jobs on TV and a friend of mine her Father John
00:37:07
Harris ran greenstone pictures and she was saying you gotta at least into TV he's quite cool you should take him on
00:37:14
and give him a you know look we're not hiring anyone at the moment oh look he's
00:37:18
writing this newspaper by himself and stuff and he's been a journalist in this
00:37:22
Phillips and he looked at it and he must have been amused enough to go oh God yes
00:37:26
I've got to meet this idiot so you look back now so this um this is like mid-20s
00:37:32
this is like 25 26 six years ago whatever um you look back now do you see it from the perspective Van Gogh
00:37:37
actually there's some quite good stuff here well that's the thing it morphed and so I ended up getting a
00:37:44
dumb TV because of it because of the pure effort of it not the content of it but then as TV progressed and I started
00:37:51
doing my own stuff was that Moon TV right and you've got to come up with ideas and the first thing I do is just
00:37:58
grab all the papers and just start going through and that and you've got a whole
00:38:02
lot of scripts there you've got four years worth of scripts and even to this
00:38:06
day sometimes I find an old one and go that's quite funny I might rip that off
00:38:09
and use it as a radio show gag or um turn around and make it just that Line's
00:38:17
quite funny whatever there's so much content I think I've pretty much picked
00:38:20
a dry now you know well it said you well geez that's amazing so you've always
00:38:26
been a hustler yeah you've always been like just think yeah I mean and I wonder if um some of
00:38:31
that sort of work ethical that um resilience or durability comes from everything you went through before that
00:38:36
like the boarding school years um the English tunnel years I think so I think there was
00:38:43
see I never thought of as a hustling but you have always thinking I was not waiting for permission to do something
00:38:49
if you know what I mean not going through a whole funding thing for two years and find out no we don't think
00:38:54
it's good you know I always had an attitude well I'll find another way I'll just do it yourself
00:39:00
yeah yeah and it might not pay off the first time around but maybe the second run will and they'll say oh he is doing
00:39:06
it okay we're all fighting I mean um yeah actually yeah I want to want to get into all that because um your
00:39:12
website moonflix incredible and the the content on there you scroll down it's
00:39:16
exhausting you've done your body I mean we just but um first of all so so you're at greenstone
00:39:25
TV working behind the scenes doing research and stuff how do you end up on um Sports Cafe as that guy yes
00:39:34
I was kind of familiar with sports campus to watch it and during the week and stuff and Mark Alice was kind of a
00:39:39
friend but he seems to think we knew each other better than he might be right but I seem to think he was more of a
00:39:45
friend of a friend then um we're mates and stuff but um and they were always short of a guest you know
00:39:51
just the way Rick used to run things and oh [ __ ] mark would always go oh don't
00:39:56
worry mate I'll sort it out I'll get one and he would always bring one of his
00:39:58
mates on there and there's people like Ben hickey or Cannonball before me and a
00:40:01
few other people and they've always and always went really well you know and one
00:40:06
day there was this shot of a guest he came down to my flat and Parnell there somewhere
00:40:11
and I think he was trying to get my flatmate to come on say come on it'd be quite funny and this guy was by this
00:40:17
stage but I mean I've got a real job now Mark I've got to go to work in the
00:40:20
morning this sort of stuff um go to ask Lee he's down the end they're probably making his newspaper
00:40:25
you know and he he came in my room and said hey mate do you want to come on sportscast tonight and
00:40:31
I'm glad I said yes but at the time I would have could freaked down and think
00:40:35
[ __ ] you know a bit of warning would have been what do you mean now he said yeah look I've got this he's I've got
00:40:40
this tupperware container full of garden snails I said yes um we'll go down and we'll pretend
00:40:47
you're at the international snail trainer going to the snail Olympics here we go next thing we're in a car head in
00:40:53
the Sky Studios and running a few lines and no one else on the show knew that I was a fake guest other than that so Mark
00:40:59
knew but no one yeah they must how can how come on um how do I smell [ __ ] with that I
00:41:04
don't know it could be paid it so strange right you know so maybe obviously is there an Olympics or is
00:41:09
there an international snail racing in Cincinnati or not if there is maybe he is going you know so he just paid it
00:41:16
straight enough that um it was believable maybe they just assumed I was a Nutter
00:41:23
who at least believed he was going you know as long as they believe something and uh let's keep this Jazz very hard to
00:41:30
keep straight face on it um and it seemed to go down pretty well in the next week let's do a follow-up on
00:41:36
on um where is he now kind of thing what happened you know so there's a couple
00:41:39
other stories um apparently must have gone down well but it's hard to tell because I didn't
00:41:44
even have a studio audience then you couldn't get any reaction and then um someone left the show
00:41:50
um Cannonball left the show and Rick obviously heard that I was working in TV anyway and had a sort of an
00:41:56
interest in it and um you know and probably could bring something to the show so he said would
00:42:02
you want to do a weekly segment you know and I didn't get I didn't want to get a
00:42:07
stupid name like Cannonball or anything like that so I just stayed away from that I just want to be myself
00:42:12
but in the meetings he he wanted to always give a handle to something so he would say well what's um that guy gonna
00:42:19
do this week then once that guy you know so you ended up getting ironically even
00:42:23
stupider name if I'm not wanting one you know yeah that does it does has that
00:42:28
still stuck to this day or is it a certain age some people just um because I feel like you and Jeremy
00:42:36
wasn't probably similar in that respect where he's known as New time to people
00:42:40
of a certain demograph he's known as Newsboy and always will be you'll be
00:42:42
that guy I feel like the younger people would have no idea um younger people yeah sure definitely
00:42:48
so so that was um just going back to the snail thing so I watched that on YouTube
00:42:52
the other the other day when I heard you were coming over um yeah it did Pan as [ __ ] and did you
00:42:57
squash a snail yeah and I suppose that's Kodak I kind of regret that now because I probably
00:43:05
wouldn't do that anyway just because it's mean yeah yeah exactly it was mean
00:43:09
and I I don't like hurting animals and stuff if you want to call a snail an animal at least it's right on the bottom
00:43:14
of the chain I suppose but still was it was an attention seeking thing to do you
00:43:19
know it was a shock thing to do in line I was like you know um you can't I mean it was um you know
00:43:25
you were swimming in those comedy Waters at the time and it was acceptable then for the age yeah you had to kind of go
00:43:30
then you know once it came into your head you had to sort of go through I mean it didn't really you know regret it
00:43:35
at the time or anything but [Music] I mean if you're in a band now you wouldn't be writing the songs or doing
00:43:46
other stuff that you would have been yeah you know you can't you're growing
00:43:49
change if you're not embarrassed by some of the stuff you've done in your younger
00:43:53
years I think you've wasted your life oh that's right yeah oh big time um yes so I was doing both jobs I was
00:43:58
doing the greenstone serious sort of so-called TV and then each week rushing off and doing the having to do a field
00:44:04
story each week for Sports Cafe and eventually Sports Cafe became more and more a bigger thing so I'm the left
00:44:12
greenstone and went full time with that and starting to make my own stuff I suppose yeah
00:44:17
that stuff is that guy was like groundbreaking game changing like you go to all black press conferences and make
00:44:24
it make a pest of yourself was that awkward as [ __ ] in the beginning I suppose once people get to know you yeah
00:44:29
funny enough um and this is where it's effort to sort of claim TV making sort of skill
00:44:39
um was a good thing like I'm not that confident type of person and I'm not type of person that would walk into
00:44:45
press conference and make it all about me and fall through the Venetian blinds you know just get attention that's not a
00:44:51
Borat type I couldn't do that yeah I'd freak out or a guy Williams type of
00:44:56
thing I can't do that kind of stuff rather I tend to think what's it going
00:45:01
to look like on screen as long as that's funny so it's more about editing and I
00:45:04
don't want to give away that way don't ask the stupid question but really it's
00:45:08
about you know wide shot close-up close-up cutaways of that guy reacting but he was reacting to something else
00:45:13
earlier on so I've got these press conferences and all the other media will be there oh here he is again whatever
00:45:17
and they'll be sitting there and by and large nothing would really happen you
00:45:22
know from their perspective and if it did you wouldn't be invited back each week you know if you kept going in there
00:45:27
and make it about yourself and you know setting yourself on fire or setting a fire extinguisher off you know it just
00:45:33
wouldn't they'll just get sick of you and it's quite a selfish thing to do but
00:45:37
but when they watch the footage back even the people I interviewed that's when the craziness would happen
00:45:44
because that's the cutaways that they hadn't seen it's the backstory that they
00:45:47
don't know about was running late to the press conference whatever you know by
00:45:50
and large the actual things that happened there occasionally you had to put yourself out there and ask a pretty
00:45:54
stupid question like you know Reuben Thorne and the huddle you know uh what do you do you know I'm
00:46:01
there for the full 80 minutes if you need to do poos in a big game you know you have to actually ask that you know
00:46:06
and and everyone everyone's got what you know but that's about as far as I'd go
00:46:10
because that's I'm not the kind of personality oh and the Jake's got to be
00:46:14
on me as well I I don't like ambushing people and making them feel uncomfortable right and he did that once
00:46:19
and what was that um do you remember the old um motor reporter Murray Walker he was an
00:46:27
old as an old old fella he's the voice of UK um Motor Racing for all the years
00:46:32
you know through the classic years and he was releasing a book and he was a guest on Sports Cafe coming out well he
00:46:38
wasn't a guest my job was to go and do a field story with him um you know on his book launch I said
00:46:45
how what can I do different because you're sort of in competition with yourself to come up with a different
00:46:50
angle each week you don't want to sort of oh we did that last week that physical gag let's do something a little
00:46:55
different so with him I thought okay first time I thought let's do something
00:46:59
almost in real time so I met him at his hotel and in the lobby and before he got there
00:47:06
I sort of arranged I had two cameras this time instead of the one that went you know so this was so I could get his
00:47:11
reactions in real time and what I'm doing in real time so it is kind of real
00:47:16
you know and so I got there and he's I've arranged for this actor mate Matt
00:47:21
again we didn't even tell the Hotel this but I put him in a suit and there John
00:47:25
and made out he was the manager of the hotel you know and he's not never let me
00:47:29
just just we just do this we sit down and I'm sitting there in the lobby and
00:47:33
you're Murray Walker there and I'm going Murray welcome to the show you've got a
00:47:37
new book out tell us how you got into Moto you know it's all very serious I'm
00:47:40
playing very straight and then in the back of my shot you can or a shot of something you can see Matt storming over
00:47:46
like with the sort of uh piece of paper stuff and yes he interrupts the interrupts the interview
00:47:52
mid I'm sorry uh Mr Hyde you have a good time in your room last night did you you
00:47:57
know and you can see my my remote space going and he's feeling really sorry for
00:48:02
me and he goes you have a good time at the gym did you uh did you enjoy your minibar did you you know and he goes
00:48:09
well yeah well yeah I just had a couple he didn't pay for me did you and he makes me stand up and goes and I'm I'm
00:48:15
giving her in those little bottles of whiskey I'm I'm having to hand them over and
00:48:22
Murray Walker's in there going what this is for real and he's feeling sorry for me and I just it's so hard to
00:48:28
do because without breaking and it was in well this is going for ages and Matt was playing the greatest
00:48:34
sorry sorry and he walks off I go oh sorry about that my only goes you're sure you know yeah cool and then
00:48:40
he goes and at the end another question that's going okay you see him coming
00:48:44
over again here we go and we're just escalating and he and he pulls out this sex store from behind him
00:48:50
oh biting my cheeks trying not to laugh and the the reason I felt better because he
00:49:04
wasn't in on it normally I would say hey Dom we're gonna do a story here if I ask
00:49:08
a few questions silly could just play along with it just play straight it'll
00:49:11
look better on the end of the day but for reasons because I didn't want him to
00:49:16
he wasn't he wasn't where who I was and wasn't familiar with my so it was easy
00:49:21
just to do it you know yeah and I regret it because he was a bit upset afterwards
00:49:24
oh was he the Aldi sort of guy because he found he got taken advantage of and used in a cheap stunt but he was so I
00:49:32
ended up selling a bottle of wine insane to Rick I'm not comfortable I don't want to run this story he's not
00:49:37
he's he doesn't want it um and then he end up talking to his Pas but then they ended up running it
00:49:43
um but it's a very little known man I think it was in a weird time a long weekend or something that didn't seem to
00:49:47
go out I've still got a copy of it but oh my God that was hard work oh that's I
00:49:52
think you're being um did you did you think it was good until you realized there was a bit of backlash yeah I
00:49:57
promise I thought my God this is really this is a great thing that's what exactly as I imagined and Matt was great
00:50:03
and this his reactions this Mario was like and at the end I think it finishes off with me asking Murray Walker if I
00:50:08
can borrow 40 bucks or something to pay you know all right it was just something
00:50:13
it was just ridiculous but and that was the most I suppose borati I've ever gone
00:50:19
um I feel like you shouldn't be beating yourself up about that it seems like the
00:50:23
joke was on you it was it totally was he didn't he was asked and he were promoting his book
00:50:29
um he was just answering the questions he was asked intelligently I was one looking like a total idiot but he just
00:50:34
felt that the whole interview about his book was secondary to me trying to get a comedy
00:50:40
right so which it was you know yeah all right are you quite a sensitive guy I feel like you just don't don't want to
00:50:46
understand people I don't like letting people feelings or anything you know um
00:50:50
or um especially unintentionally you know I wouldn't I know yeah definitely I think
00:50:56
so you know yeah so so Sports Cafe so after that what was after was it Moon TV straight after that or yeah or at the
00:51:03
same time in a way right um Sports Cafe had a sort of a season about 36 shows or something to be off
00:51:08
air for 10 weeks and it'll come back again so in the 10 weeks it's off I went
00:51:13
to Sky and said look well if I came out with a comedy show would you better stick it on in this
00:51:19
space or something and I'll go get the sponsors or something and said I am so I
00:51:22
end up getting a one sponsor or something yeah Auto Trader was it auto trader maybe an auto trader I think yeah it was
00:51:29
so Random so yes so so Sky TV there was so like we can't give you any money for
00:51:34
a show but if you want to do a show yeah knock yourself out and that kind of from
00:51:37
that I thought you know that's probably how it's going to work from now on so I
00:51:40
did end up getting New Zealand Air funding for a few series of moon and other things and went to tvnz but
00:51:46
I didn't mind going to sponsors as long as sponsors don't meddle with it and
00:51:50
they get they just if they understand that you're just trying to make a good
00:51:53
show and if you make a good show again I get the benefits anyway you don't have
00:51:57
to shoehorn their messages too much into it I feel like you've always done that
00:52:01
quite successfully over the years though shoehorning stuff in yeah the clients that you've got in the obligations to
00:52:07
them you've always made it quite fun creative oh totally and I don't think um
00:52:11
I don't I don't recall any sort of real bad experience with sort of clients
00:52:15
being on your case to bring it up and can we do this can we do that so no they sort of leave you to it my life more so
00:52:20
now because they trust you even more I think but back then probably a little I think what house of travel ones
00:52:26
um sponsored something I did and they were a little bit you know you know it's
00:52:30
a soft brand or something and um but other than that no it was it was pretty good yeah that's amazing yeah so
00:52:38
um I mean there's there's one famous story that they get sold over and over again
00:52:42
about Flight of the Concords so they they pitch their TV show to tvnz and TV and said we're like yeah we'll do it but
00:52:47
we want to change this and this and this and they ended up to Brenton and Jermaine ended up turning it down ended
00:52:52
up being a BBC Radio Show and then an HBO show and the rest is history um was it so like that with you like a
00:52:58
few or did no one did none of the TV networks want to make your show um I think with me it was a case of
00:53:06
yeah put its way it's it's ironic now because people at networks now that
00:53:11
you'll be dealing with were like kids or potentially fans back then you know now they're in the positions of
00:53:18
power to make these days younger than me now make these decisions but they're
00:53:20
familiar with your stuff but back then the people were 20 years older than me and they don't know who this young
00:53:25
upstart is and that you know and they don't get it it's too too random too
00:53:29
random just trust me it's you know see I got sick of trying to not just as hard
00:53:34
as making a show let alone convince people it's worthy of getting made so I'd rather just go look I'm just going
00:53:39
to make it and you do what you want with it and at the time I saw it as a curse but all my stuff is on at like 10 at
00:53:46
night 11 at night 10 30 at night you know which is kind of not bad now but back then I said what this is better
00:53:53
than that it should be on earlier but the beauty of that was it became a cult thing as opposed to uh you know um the
00:54:01
fast burn type sort of show when you have you know and you can do what you want and they just left you to it they
00:54:05
didn't even look at the footage really before they put it to air and the other
00:54:09
beauty of that is I end up owning all the footage because they didn't really
00:54:12
care they said yeah you make your show whatever but you know but if I was on 7 30 at night or even something like 80
00:54:17
meeting like eating media lunch no I mean Jeremy doesn't have any ownership or control of that whereas everything
00:54:23
I've done I own you know and yeah yeah so um yeah and your body of work is is
00:54:34
[ __ ] massive I mentioned your website earlier Moon Flex which has a very very similar looking logo to Netflix yeah not
00:54:41
some purpose um how do you like this noise at a paywall or anything how do you monetize
00:54:46
that people can watch any of your stuff for free we haven't really monetized it
00:54:49
in a way it was um it's a work in progress in that sense but what it was more than anything is it's an archive
00:54:58
um so we've got hard drives all over the show and if I if I suddenly think of a
00:55:02
clip I've got to ring up my brand mate into and say hey if you've got to copy
00:55:05
that thing can you make a follow that and said you know so we made the decision let's upload as
00:55:09
much as we can over time up there and we'll worry about how to monetize it later once it's up there
00:55:15
um and it kind of works I mean we've got um a whole series up there like mysterious planet or the latest
00:55:20
Heartland show we did so if I was interested in say um pitching or selling that to a an overseas Network I could
00:55:27
just send them a link and they can see incredible that kind of stuff it's just
00:55:31
easier but as I say it'll be easy to monetize because what we can do we can sell
00:55:38
um the banners and the stuff around there you know you can have that for a month or we can even take the video if
00:55:42
you like all the speedo cup stuff we could take those off re-upload them with Speedo cops brought
00:55:48
to you by you know Dom Harvey you know and and there you go so but we haven't
00:55:53
really done that because it's sort of too busy making other stuff and um someone else to kind of do that you know
00:56:00
yeah and if you've got like a sales team or anything or no no that's probably
00:56:03
what it needs but um yeah I think the key is just to get more stuff up there some of the older stuff
00:56:09
before it gets lost forever um which it will um because we're the only ones that with
00:56:15
versions of it but I see stuff coming up all the time on YouTube people other people are hosting my stuff on YouTube
00:56:20
on their Channel I might as well put out myself oh yeah yeah I was gonna answer that because a lot of your stuff's on
00:56:24
YouTube because you are and a lot of it's got like quite High viewing numbers
00:56:27
as well do you make do you make reasonable money off YouTube not really I've forgotten well like a couple
00:56:32
hundred a month a few hundred hours oh yeah but I don't I mean most of the stuff that's got big views is some of my
00:56:37
clips that someone else uploaded you know and you can chase that down you know could you take his down and you
00:56:44
upload your old man it's got no gears because I've already seen it you know
00:56:47
a lot of those silly shows overseas world's wackiest write-offs you know and
00:56:52
people fails fail army kind of shows um a lot of your stuff appears on that and you're going what you know how did
00:57:00
that end up there yeah and you know I think we have done some deals with certain companies that will do that
00:57:05
stuff a lot of it it has been ripped off yeah are you not not that financially driven are you just more into the
00:57:12
creative I just yeah you pick your battles I think yeah I mean what what are you gonna do what are you going to
00:57:17
get out of it um if you were more thought you would have uploaded yourself and you know there was
00:57:24
definitely a time to be doing that I think I probably should be doing more of that monetizing the whole lot
00:57:30
um maybe licensing the whole lot to someone else and let them do it you know it might be an easy way doing it but
00:57:36
um I sort of financially driven enough to I want to make money and be comfortable but
00:57:41
certainly more creatively driven than financially yeah if I want to start making shows because I want to make it
00:57:47
and because it will help the big picture overall branding of other things I'm doing as
00:57:54
opposed to I want to get rich off this particular TV series yeah yeah you've um one one person that's
00:58:02
been involved in a lot of your TV over the years um Jason Jason Hoyt yeah um yeah you guys um did a radio show
00:58:08
together the Abuja that we talked about from Radio hauraki um I see you sort of back together working together now but
00:58:15
there was a there was a there was a bad bit there for a while with you too I I heard stories about you guys at whole
00:58:19
deck at the end and it's you couldn't be in the same room well you couldn't talk
00:58:23
to each other yeah said that too look how do I I don't know what happened we we I asked
00:58:32
do you want to hear what um I asked Matt Heath about it uh he does the breakfast on holiday he had a
00:58:37
theory and I I was in radio at the time and I thought this Theory made a lot of sense he said um he said uh don yeah the
00:58:43
show you do you look for things that are topical and then you come up with something off that he said these guys
00:58:47
every day they're inventing a show based on nothing but their own imaginations
00:58:51
and he and he's he said that um eventually you're going to get Juiced and uh that was his take on it would
00:58:58
that be a fair take or what no I don't think so actually um all respect like I met one of the show started where
00:59:08
you started off on just a half hour show once a week on a Saturday or something that we ended up doing alternative
00:59:12
commentary or other way around um and we'd work together with TV and we always worked well but
00:59:20
um but it's always sort of um just for a couple of days here and there but way similar age
00:59:29
we were professional friends if you know I mean we never sort of hung out right yeah I've never been to his house
00:59:36
that's what I'm saying but on on the show we're we've got a lot in
00:59:40
common but we have a lot that we're not in common um so but we never argue about anything
00:59:46
uh we never argue about it I think I think if I put my spin on it it was a kind that the show you can have
00:59:55
a smoke and mirror's show or it is what it is and from Jesus perspective it was more sort
01:00:02
of smoke and mirrors you know okay we're heading down here we're going to begin
01:00:05
address I was kind of more living that life for real in a way um Jace doesn't drink right
01:00:12
um he's given up a while ago for reasons but probably good reasons um you know but no and that's for
01:00:19
respect from I still do and still did so if we're doing a Friday sort of party
01:00:26
type show it was kind of a Friday party again I'm talking about that authenticity I'm not saying you have to
01:00:31
drink to be authentic I'm far from I'm saying and for someone I think like Jace
01:00:37
who was a you know a reformed alcohol you know basically struggled with that I think and yeah and he had some other
01:00:45
pressures going on um and say at home but with other sort of stuff yeah in that field I think and I
01:00:52
almost I think I became the um the brunt of his frustration focus of it and I I don't think he had anger this
01:00:59
we've never really talked about it no but we get on good but but it's not like
01:01:02
we had to sort of repair it then because we weren't hanging out together the
01:01:06
whole time anyway but it got to a stage at the end there where he said he was good in the show
01:01:12
and I said okay and then I said well I don't really want to do a show if you're
01:01:15
not doing it you know so I said well I could as well you know because I wasn't
01:01:19
too worried about the show the money side of it I was I love doing it but I wasn't going to try and
01:01:25
find someone else to replicate the the chemistry that we had you know um and he he was he just wanted to go and do a
01:01:35
late night talk show by myself 11 o'clock at night talking to you know he was you know and he struggled with uh
01:01:43
and you know been the most the right you think it's just talking on the radio is
01:01:50
traveling the country you're doing all the the stuff and oh there's a lot of
01:01:54
[ __ ] and I was having to do a lot of that on his behalf and away or would both do it but he didn't like doing that
01:02:00
side of it and fair enough a lot of people don't um having to meet sponsors for lunch go
01:02:05
and have a beer to get them over the line just you know he wouldn't be into doing that which is fair enough
01:02:11
um and I didn't mind doing it so there was this sort of Yin Yang sort of thing going on but
01:02:16
so I said I don't want to show if you're not going to do it then it gets
01:02:19
confusing then he came back for a while without me and and then I got talked to it and I said okay I'll do it with these
01:02:26
guys you know and then but I said I also had an issue that I was not doing the TV that I wanted to do
01:02:34
in radio it was a drive show I had plenty of time in the morning but it's hard to do a TV show when you've got to
01:02:41
be in there each day yeah and you can't just disappear for a week and leave everyone on the Lurch where he does
01:02:47
often make a half-ass TV show so I thought well this is a good opportunity I can I we'll just draw a line under it
01:02:53
here and go and um get back into some TV stuff um you know because radio goes so quick
01:02:59
as you know [ __ ] two years ago on and all we've got to show foot is a whole
01:03:02
lot of ridiculous shows which were great shows right um but then so I did that I sort of quit
01:03:08
I said and then Jace decides to come back kind of thing and he's still there
01:03:13
now with um kind of doing what we did the first time around but you know so look I don't know um he might have a
01:03:20
better he's probably the only person that could answer it and whether he answers it honestly or not that's the
01:03:23
honest most honest version I can come up with but no I'm certainly haven't fallen
01:03:26
out I mean I just saw them just the other day um um at the ACC you know and we get on
01:03:32
good but friction and he's the creative partnership is a quite a common thing we
01:03:37
didn't really have any friction stuff I mean we were it was just funny we'd be
01:03:41
cracking up you know we love doing each other TV is a slightly different thing um because I'm a I'm not control freak
01:03:47
but it's my show I've got I'm making this thing well I'll get Jace along for the stuff
01:03:52
we do but he literally just shows up for the day you know yeah um and that could
01:03:55
be frustrating because I'm I'll be scripting most of stuff kind of thing
01:03:58
and but I don't mind that because when he comes in he brings so much to it you
01:04:03
know and takes it from here to here you know um whether it's the fishing show or the
01:04:08
late over breakfast you know he's such a good performer he doesn't need much but
01:04:12
that was but those shows were hard work for me because once he goes I'd have to
01:04:17
deal with the editing the other stuff trying to work out what guests we can do and how can we different angle on this
01:04:23
and you know but once I got an angle and a rough script I could just Chuck it out
01:04:27
of him and he would bring his own magic to it you know yeah that's why it worked
01:04:30
really well um and I think we'll probably do some TV um together again but what it does it
01:04:37
forces you to get out of your comfort zone a bit and work with some other people as well you know you're probably
01:04:43
guilty of relying on you know doing the same stuff relying on people who you're comfortable working with you
01:04:50
know yeah and that's a good opportunity to be done stuff but yeah we'll do
01:04:54
plenty more together yeah well it's good that there's no bad blood there you
01:04:57
probably just needed a break from each other it is I think people underestimate how um intense it is doing a radio show
01:05:01
with another person I think you know and I hope to be kind to myself and I think we did have a good thing he
01:05:12
did say that that he was going through some other stuff that um you know and this kind of thing and that's that's
01:05:25
fine by me I don't mind being I don't mind that happening you know it's going
01:05:29
to happen you know I'm not sort of people I'm not the sort of person that
01:05:32
Falls Avenue I don't think I'm falling out with anyone in my life on anything
01:05:34
you know what I mean so um apart from the old guy from the UK the Motoring away now a rest in peace
01:05:44
um [ __ ] we've been I just looked at the uh the clock we've been going for over
01:05:47
an hour we haven't even gotten to you into your entrepreneurial side of things
01:05:51
you got to be anywhere are you good for a little bit Yeah so um okay so um how did that come about where was
01:05:59
that well again it's all it's all a continuation of the same thing so I never wanted to say suddenly go oh my
01:06:04
God I think I could make a beer better than anyone else and make a beer it was a pure again exaggeration of the same
01:06:12
character thing so I remember you'd make a TV show It's All or Nothing you get it made it's all exciting so you
01:06:20
end up going on your show and talking about the show in the morning oh great go ahead and drive show talk about the
01:06:25
show goes on how anyone sees it people talk about it have a few laughs I loved your show but then it's off
01:06:32
you know yeah um and you've got another six months before you make another show and it's
01:06:36
All or Nothing meanwhile you start seeing at the Wellington sevens half the people dressed up the speedo cops and
01:06:42
stuff and start going that's really cool but there's people are really getting it
01:06:46
and I just wanted the Networks TV networks to see that kind of love or connection but they don't you know you
01:06:53
go into their office to pitch the next show they don't even they go they don't
01:06:56
ever go oh yeah it's going off everyone's really related to the stuff um so I wanted to find a way to keep the
01:07:02
continuity going between sort of shows and not financially but you know so I thought what could I do to
01:07:09
um connect with people still you know do we have a sparrow cop shows or live shows or something doing this and I
01:07:16
suddenly thought well if I do a beer with a similar sort of branding and attitude of the TV shows that'll be out
01:07:21
there the whole time people can can enjoy it or not so literally he was sitting in the office there was three of
01:07:26
us in there and I said look hey guys I'm thinking might do a beer brand for a laugh and they said oh yeah okay
01:07:33
um and I thought about calling them back in Changi because on Sports Cafe used to
01:07:37
be sold I went to the waikato river and did a silly story where I was talking about the river going the old workout
01:07:43
I said where it came from a stupid word and um I get people that come to me and I go hey you ripped off our name for the
01:07:52
waikato river that we we could chat said mate how are you I heard that 20 years ago you know and they got it for me for
01:08:00
they you know but so anyway I rang up a brewery oh no I put it on Facebook said think about doing a beer called wacky
01:08:05
Changi it'll be about what you think and it just kind of went off because back
01:08:09
back in the day when Facebook was quiet yeah yeah yeah so I said [ __ ] I've got
01:08:13
to do it now it's one of those moments where you you commit to something uh and that you
01:08:19
you have to follow through now let's be like hey I'm gonna Kilimanjaro or I'm
01:08:23
gonna do the coast to coast and you tell everyone and I [ __ ] I've got to do it
01:08:26
now you know yeah so it's a bit like that so I remember the brewerian and I said can you make the beer and
01:08:31
they say oh we've got a beer we could do it just put a sticker on it with your
01:08:34
stuff and I wrote all the crap on it and so it's more about the attitude of the
01:08:37
beer you know not taking bet seriously it was good quite nice beer is so subjective anyway yeah how could people
01:08:45
hate it anyway yeah you can't get five people in a room and agree on the same
01:08:48
BSC well I've noticed that the supermarket next door where I live the new world they've got a massive massive
01:08:52
range of craft beer and it's just like stickers put on the uh put on a can it's
01:08:55
probably the same beer and all of that totally um so that was the attitude of that and
01:08:59
that took off so um and then is that quite a lucrative thing yeah it certainly was so I got
01:09:06
involved in another Brewery mccashins they ended up coming on so other than me having to run it like I was there and
01:09:12
that was pretty hard work because I was Distributing the stuff and everything oh yeah so you're a couple of times in a
01:09:18
van like dropping boxes off at stores and things but but a cash is probably came
01:09:26
okay we'll go halves and have some spiritual make the bear you can do the marketing and it became quite
01:09:31
lucrative then and then from that we did the chips kind of thing you know um yeah
01:09:36
um yeah you're accelerating this way too fast okay so so the beer and then um
01:09:42
from That Snack of Changi checks chips which you you've we were talking about Mark Ellis before
01:09:49
you arrived and you know making all this money from orange juice I mean it's like
01:09:53
how did someone see a gap in that market to me it's the same with like salt and
01:09:57
vinegar chips it was a clustered Market there's these copper kettles and bluebird or whatever but you sort of
01:10:02
reinvented the chip wheel but I think it's a comedy of errors and it's that's what do you call that sort
01:10:09
of navigation um it's like basket you know you're following stars but you're probably
01:10:15
going that way that way that way you know it's um not like a direct route yeah there's some sort of term for it
01:10:22
might come back to me but um that I didn't sort of suddenly thought think I'll I was thinking what would be
01:10:29
good with the beer a good government for the beer and be honest I was slightly bored again because I was waiting I was
01:10:36
in between Seasons I wanted to get the beer into cans for the brewery and the brewery I was working with mccashins
01:10:41
they were trying the hardest to get a canning line but they didn't have one yet and I said well come use someone
01:10:46
else's whatever so I was a little bit frustrated because it's hard to keep
01:10:48
marketing the same thing saying oh Beer's still here drinking you know I wanted to tell the story that were in
01:10:54
Cairns now whatever so in the meantime I thought okay how can I keep the story going with something else so
01:10:59
I could have been I was thinking about doing nuts or you know chips something to do with beer
01:11:05
long story short I think I contacted Griffins and said um I'm Keen to do some chips
01:11:12
um The Wacky jangi sort of kind of thing and they got me in for a meeting and this is where it gets weird because they
01:11:18
would expect me to be the wacky kind of guy you know like come up so they were thinking okay what are you think here
01:11:23
they're going to be like beer flavored chips are they beer and chive and cheese
01:11:27
or something you know what you know so this is the common sense yeah like just because yeah
01:11:34
it's a so-called wacky crazy guy that's that sounds like they're terrible in the
01:11:38
hell would that sell so I said what are your top four flavors and I said well salted salt vinegar and
01:11:45
barbecue or something I said well let's probably make sense to do those but then
01:11:49
they said well we've already got those that's how you know about we'll do it
01:11:51
different and with a different spin on it they said okay that sounds good um and
01:11:56
then they said what sort of Chip do you want to do and I suddenly realized that's pretty unprepared for this sort
01:12:00
of meeting and I didn't really know that much about it so I was going oh yeah
01:12:04
well you know I didn't want chipset broke away in the dip and stuff had to be it so I was thinking about a thick
01:12:09
chip anyway so I said that sort of threw the question back I said well what are you
01:12:13
doing now what do you do now and I said well we do a thick chip we do that we do
01:12:17
a crinkle gun and we do a kettle fry as well and I said oh cool can you do all that to the same chip
01:12:24
and I remember I was sitting in this boardroom and all of a sudden you know someone asked the r d on there
01:12:33
you know next thing we did that and it somehow locks the flavor and I think somehow I don't know but um because they
01:12:38
are more flavoursome than any other chip they of course came up with the sort of
01:12:43
the the flavor that we went in for tastings we said not that one we so we I suppose we all sort of came up with the
01:12:49
profile so to speak but in the day it's still a salt and vinegar chip which is
01:12:53
now vinegar and salt because the vinegar is more you know full-on in ourans I think you know so that's what you have
01:12:58
to do just put a Twist on the same thing vinegar and salt instead of salt and vinegar yeah but and I mean you see the
01:13:03
packaging and it's um it's it's very funny and it's very humorous and it's
01:13:06
very tongue-in-cheek and it's very lee-hat but yeah but the bottom line is it's um it's the best chip yeah totally
01:13:12
and I think I've you know thanks to Griffin's kind of I like to take as much credit as I can
01:13:21
but if they taste it like [ __ ] it wouldn't matter it no matter how good the branding was people buy it once and
01:13:26
they say yeah they buy it out of loyalty or whatever I like the fact that hopefully most people don't buy those
01:13:31
chips now don't even know who the hell I am they just like the chips heard from
01:13:35
someone else that they taste good and they continue to taste good and if they happen to know me or read the packet and
01:13:41
enjoy a laugh that's a bonus again it's the I do all the copy and stuff on the
01:13:45
on the packets and for me that is a way but like when I talk about the beer of keeping myself out there in a way
01:13:54
without having to do a radio show every day without having to um do a TV show every you know second
01:14:00
week to so I'm still here kind of thing it's kind of a bit of a release um I'm just I'm surely not like writing
01:14:06
a book or you know a column but you know I quite enjoy doing the the copy and stuff and that kind of thing you know
01:14:11
yeah that's awesome is that would that be is that lucrative will that be like a
01:14:15
retirement thing yeah the chips uh yeah amazing yeah [Music] none of this is none of this is luck
01:14:23
like this all steams back to the uh I suppose the entrepreneurial Spirit you had in your 20s when you started your
01:14:28
newspaper yes it's a case of um you know how you know some people young people or some Lord say what advice
01:14:36
would you give Joe a young person trying to do this is and it's so cliche it's
01:14:41
that thing of give it a crack so it's not luck it's give it a crack it doesn't
01:14:45
work who cares yeah what do you got to lose the band is like that I was convincing the other two that [ __ ] you
01:14:51
know we we got to do this because we thought we're going to take over the world as a band oh my God I look back
01:14:56
there now the arrogance the ego of it but the point was if there was point one percent that we could would have to give
01:15:03
it a crack because I I wanted to give it a crack knowing pretty well that we wouldn't make it big but if we if we
01:15:11
didn't give it a go at all I knew I'd be this guy in my mid-30s sitting there guys to pay Katana man I
01:15:18
could have done that I should have done that I could have you know I didn't want
01:15:20
to be that I'd rather take that out of the equation yeah don't die wondering
01:15:24
don't die wondering and again these cliches for a reason and and or I used to say you know you cross that bridge
01:15:30
when you get to it blow that bridge up when you get to it who cares if it doesn't work but just give it a crack
01:15:36
um and as you get older as saying how am I very early 50s you uh you almost need to
01:15:43
that's the bit of these sort of podcasts is that you you hear yourself saying
01:15:47
again you've got to remind yourself to keep doing that a little bit too because
01:15:50
you can get complacent and um and you're a little bit choosy now you don't do every stupid thing that
01:15:55
comes your way but you still got to remind yourself like you know you're not
01:15:58
dead correct yeah absolutely well I am yeah I turned 50 a couple of weeks ago and um the way I say it it's like if you
01:16:06
think of you think of your life as a sports game and every year is a minute it's like I'm just into the second half
01:16:11
you're just into the second half oh yeah like you guys so like if I've got a lot
01:16:15
of friends that are about the same age as us and they're like oh I sort of winding down their careers or the second
01:16:19
half's the biggest half right yeah absolutely absolutely unless you get subbed off
01:16:24
bring them up get them out of there yeah but these friends of mine are deciding to sub themselves hey you have time out
01:16:31
I'm out of here yeah um you mentioned your ego a few times in this interview
01:16:34
how's your how's your ego on the flip side of that like the uh like you you
01:16:38
were in a Critic yourself are you quite are you quite kind to yourself are you quite nice to yourself I'm pretty
01:16:44
self-critical of the work kind of [Music] kind of unless I'm I used to have to sit there for every
01:16:54
edit and all this sort of stuff but now a brand to I've worked for years I trust
01:16:57
them so much that he can pretty much sort of do himself then we just make sort of changes here and there and you
01:17:02
know um but no um I don't really I don't think I have an ego of I think um next I think like the word ego when
01:17:13
people think of ego if someone's got an ego you think that I've got to stick up
01:17:17
their ass yeah but there's like the ego on the other side where it's like you
01:17:20
know how you how you treat yourself as oh yeah um you're quite nice to yourself are you
01:17:24
I feel like to know that story you told before about the old motoring guy in the
01:17:27
UK it feels like you're still sort of beating yourself up about it oh yeah totally look I
01:17:32
um I'm not sort of beating myself up about it but I would just regret yeah look
01:17:38
[Music] [Laughter] like you do get self um I broke out a marriage breakup um I don't know 18 months ago but it's it's
01:17:59
uh um so that that is a time where you do a lot of self-reflection I suppose you know and you realize maybe wear up
01:18:07
with your own ass a little bit with work and focusing on too much on this and not
01:18:12
that I'm busy I was I'm not like I certainly wasn't a workaholic but you
01:18:16
may be thinking too much about um what you're doing your show or that sort of stuff you know not saying that
01:18:22
might have contributed to it obviously a lot of things would have contributed to
01:18:25
it but how long how long were you married um 17 years sure that's and then two
01:18:30
kids yep how old are the kids um now the 17 and 15. right am I great no fantastic so I think I mean they to
01:18:36
be honest they would prefer that we're not together not that we were like fighting or anything but they quite like
01:18:42
it like this Peter is individuals [Music] probably closer to both my kids now because of it at the time they've really
01:18:56
I wouldn't say sided with me but the circumstance of what happened was you know they
01:19:00
you know that felt sorry for is not a good way of putting it but anyway [Laughter]
01:19:06
we made them side with me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I took him aside and I said this is what
01:19:12
happened you know and they've only got one Vision yeah so no no and and as a
01:19:18
result I think probably close to their mother as well yeah and we're and and
01:19:21
we're in touch as well so it was not you know it's no animosity there no but it's
01:19:26
a hard yeah I've been through that as well so it's a hard thing to go through
01:19:30
it's Lane like your marriage is to give the 17 years it's a very successful
01:19:34
relationship but I suppose you feel like a failure because you stand in front of
01:19:38
your family and friends on a priest or whoever yeah and say you're going to be
01:19:41
together until you die and so anything less than that feels like a fail and you feel like you failed your kids yeah
01:19:47
a lot of people are broken up of course but and then you're in this apartment
01:19:51
instead of the house that you were together and it's reflect on All Your Life Choices yeah every day you get a
01:19:57
chance to sort of think about it but but then you've got to ask yourself um would you change anything about it in
01:20:05
other words would you get back in it no I wouldn't so there's no point worrying
01:20:08
about that um would you've done stuff differently over those years yeah maybe but I can't
01:20:14
specifically think um what they would be but they certainly would have the fact that I didn't see it
01:20:21
coming you got the idea that um it was her call at the time right so we used the completely
01:20:27
blindsided at the time I was but the fact that I was completely blindsided suggests that I must have had my head up
01:20:33
my own ass a little bit to not see it you know what I mean because you'd have
01:20:37
to be pretty weird not just not to be you know I think that's fairly fairly common I've been doing a bit of um I've
01:20:42
got Rachel Hunter coming on the podcast next week so I've been doing a bit of
01:20:44
research for her and um her marriage with Rod Stewart which was about half the length of your
01:20:49
marriage it was like eight years um he was sitting down like flipping through some um like architecture
01:20:54
magazines because they were renovating a house and he was asking her opinion about a kitchen bench or whatever and
01:20:58
she sort of mumbled under her breath I don't think I'm going to be here for it
01:21:01
and that was how he sort of found out and he was completely blindsided yeah um I feel like I mean it's hard people you
01:21:08
grow and you change like you talked about regretting killing the snail on TV it's like you're not the same person now
01:21:15
as when you got together oh oh yeah totally and you know and people evolve and um you then you look back and you
01:21:20
think where we were we were there were we the right people to be together in the first place kind of thing you start
01:21:26
overthinking everything and then you say well at what point did I you know or and
01:21:30
or if we didn't break up then would we have two or three years down the track
01:21:33
or would have just met you know you just don't really know um I think the important thing now is
01:21:38
um you know what happens from here on in and as I say we're pretty good I mean I
01:21:43
saw yesterday actually um and you know um and she's doing she's doing well she's got some exciting stuff
01:21:49
happening um with her which which is cool which I'm happy about not upset about you know
01:21:55
as opposed to oh really oh that sounds good you know it's good for you at least
01:22:00
one of us has thrived um so how was your how was your how was your mental health after that
01:22:08
um yeah okay um yes we won because I like you know there's so much mental health
01:22:14
um discussion at the moment which is great um but I've never sort of put myself in
01:22:18
a position like hey do I have a yeah I think anyone that goes to a marriage breakup would be
01:22:24
um kidding themselves if they uh [ __ ] knocks you around didn't have some sort
01:22:29
of you know um if I could do it again if I could if I could do the breakup again
01:22:49
you know like you know I've since listened to podcasts on what you got to do and this sort of stuff and I wish I'd
01:22:56
sort of had more I wish I'd bother to maybe seek that stuff out as opposed to
01:23:02
just playing it by ear you know depending what do you mean what do you mean well you know I end up listening to
01:23:07
some podcasts you know oh you know you're going through a breakup you know and you've got kids you know how and
01:23:11
some of them are pretty good sort of things you listen to in the car and it you know gives you sort of not so much
01:23:16
tools but sort of talks about ways to handle sort of stuff you know and I didn't really take I didn't use any of
01:23:22
that I just kind of winged it you know and by doing that it just depends on what mood you're in each day is how you
01:23:28
react to what's going around you know they they say for example you know the
01:23:32
whole don't contact for as long as poss kind of thing you know I was in the thing we're making excuses to bring up
01:23:38
you know you know or Texas hey have we still got that thing in the game not to get back with her and like that
01:23:46
there was nothing to do that it was just purely just for that little brief connection which is bad it's just random
01:23:51
not having like it's like what's strange when you spend so much of your life with someone and then yeah and
01:23:58
they're not there yeah and and for what we get a time your kids aren't even
01:24:01
there and you go [ __ ] you know and then everything that was familiar and then you start thinking
01:24:08
deep stuff like both their parents are still alive you know thank God but they're not spring chickens you know
01:24:15
yeah so we've got some other stuff to deal with in the future but it's going to be
01:24:21
different now you'll be dealing with it more on your own you know what I mean
01:24:24
yeah um it's not like you're not going to go and support them in their time but
01:24:29
it's not the same every every uh you know dog got died last year now the little beagle and um even that it's had
01:24:38
a sort of better taste about it you know bad enough that he died of course it did
01:24:41
but and it was sudden but we um it's only me and my daughter that were there when it happened it was up in
01:24:48
the driveway um Andrew's way somewhere and somebody said we just it just didn't it felt like
01:24:53
it should have been a family but but it wasn't but we could this is all in your head a little bit because if
01:25:01
we were still together it's very chance that some of us could have been a different parts of the country at the
01:25:05
time because we you know that was right there going on so but certain things just feel
01:25:10
a little bit more cynical or I don't know I don't know um but that's only some days but mental
01:25:17
health wise and I think um humor helps definitely there's that saying if you don't laugh
01:25:23
you cry totally and and I did cry you know and my kids even saw me cry which uh you know is that the first time that
01:25:31
I cried no the first time you kids saw you yeah I think so yeah other than you know I'm I'm the sort of guy
01:25:39
you know in a sad movie you know a a Marley and Me who's not right I can see
01:25:44
so if you look at me that's what my daughter go you can't go no no not me
01:25:48
not me no I'm not crying so I'm I am quite emotional in that sort of sense
01:25:53
you know I can uh I can cry at other people's funeral someone's feeling all
01:25:58
that and then I could walk into a funeral off the street and not know the people and stand at the back and look
01:26:03
around and I can get emotional from their emotion if you know what I mean is that some of this that equipped on
01:26:07
you've noticed as you get older yeah I I to the point where I go [ __ ] how am I
01:26:11
going to handle any of these big public funerals that are coming my way and you know I love a bit of you know down the
01:26:17
track but you know it's yeah I've always I think I've always been that way but
01:26:23
but I'm not afraid of it either I don't think you do feel better after um well it's quite it's quite cathartic
01:26:31
but yeah I mean um but we were raised in an age where you just didn't you just
01:26:35
didn't cry he didn't show any sort of weakness but I haven't said that it
01:26:39
doesn't mean the way I wrap stuff is I I won't just sit there and I will
01:26:45
certainly I'm quite proactive though so I I might have a quiet but then I go
01:26:49
that's good all right bang is what we're doing you know I remember saying that to
01:26:54
the kids actually I said hey okay let's draw a line on that you're not going to
01:26:57
see that again tomorrow's gonna be a great day sun's coming up and we're
01:27:00
doing this this this this you know you've got to force yourself into that mindset yeah so you're quite gonna like
01:27:06
compartmentalizing things yeah um well I don't think I'll come up because I think
01:27:09
my everything my everything's just for me it's a big it's a big river
01:27:14
a lot of stuff going on but quite good at like um I suppose look yeah so when we broke
01:27:21
up what do you do now you just wait around and sit around and I had to get on with
01:27:28
it so I straight away started dealing with the separation agreement side of it you know don't know why but I just had
01:27:35
to do something I couldn't you know so I went and did all that and pushed it
01:27:39
through about two weeks and the the the the woman that I was dealing with said she hadn't seen anything like it you
01:27:45
know and I don't know I did that and then and it was and it wasn't to make a
01:27:50
point to it it was a very it's it's very it's we both agree or not it's very nice
01:27:55
to each other but I just had to do something I just couldn't sit there waiting for again without a TV thing
01:28:01
waiting for someone to tell me when it's time to make a TV show or waiting for
01:28:05
permission I needed to fill my time and because that's right I couldn't work
01:28:11
I couldn't work not knowing my situation anymore you know like uh you know what's it if I'm going to go
01:28:19
make it certainly didn't feel like making a comedy TV show but having said that there's been any
01:28:24
ideas for taking over that you you get now that I wouldn't have thought of had I
01:28:30
not gone through that experience you know more darker sort of Comedy or you sort of seeing a marriage break up sort
01:28:34
of stuff or um yeah because you touched upon this on your American Heartland show yes that
01:28:39
again was a little bit cheeky um at and just expensive but it wasn't meant to be Jake's on me yeah do you want to
01:28:47
like recap that for anyone that may have missed that I mean on the TV about oh Terry's wife is
01:28:57
left for a Furniture upholster and taking any kind of thing you know so um so I thought you know doing a travel
01:29:03
show through the states it might as well be a bit of backstory to it fake or real
01:29:08
and you've got to bring a little bit of real stuff to it so I've just gone
01:29:11
through marriage breakup so why the hell is he jumping through the states all right he's going through a midlife
01:29:15
crisis which which I'm not but you know that's a good you've got a middle-aged
01:29:19
guy making a travel show you might as well just a midlife crisis on him gives a bit more of an edge so I sit there
01:29:24
talking to the camera going on yeah well you know it's been tough you know my
01:29:28
wife's left me for a a carp and underlay salesman or something you know I don't
01:29:32
even covered underlay broken or something that was made up and isn't seeing a carpet
01:29:39
I'm not a surprise I know if you heard something maybe no but that was cathartic in the
01:29:46
sense having a bit of a laugh at it you know and she knows me well enough you know she's certain of course it's an eye
01:29:52
rolling thing for him oh here he goes you know and she would have had a life but to the point I think we should
01:29:57
actually contacted me once because we're making the episodes bit my bit and I
01:30:01
think she actually she rang me up and said um how many more episodes are there and
01:30:06
and and how many more times am I gonna appear in there you know just my parents want to know is that what I read okay
01:30:14
look don't worry about it tweet it to now there's no more um was it was it a little um a little
01:30:19
peace egg was that little truth there yeah right right oh there's a little treat I mean
01:30:24
yeah yeah I mean passive aggressive not really no I was more it's more about
01:30:29
the gag yeah right put it away if we hadn't broken up and we're still together
01:30:37
there's a 90 chance that a similar line would have been yeah right whether it might not
01:30:44
been so important yeah it's a little passive aggressive I think I knew there'd be a few people gonna laugh out
01:30:48
of it so maybe I was being a bit cheeky but I certainly knew that people the important people involved in my kids for
01:30:54
example who were watching I couldn't wait for them to watch the show I certainly wouldn't have done even one of
01:30:59
them saw it before we went away and they were laughing going oh that's so funny
01:31:01
that's good yeah I see you shorts right yeah I'll be right you know yeah I
01:31:05
suppose for them it means you're in a good place like you because you're at
01:31:08
the point where you can make jokes about it yeah and look and if I always wanted
01:31:11
to be serious and and be aggressive or be snarky it could be you know um again jokes on me who what kind of
01:31:21
idiot what kind of idiot TV professional TV presenter would be supposed to be talking about the where he is we'll be
01:31:28
talking about his his wife leaving leaving him for a Furniture upholstery or whatever it is pretty funny yeah I
01:31:35
mean that that again I just find that amusing that this guy how unprofessional this guy can't you focus on me well you
01:31:42
mentioned the term midlife crisis before and I I feel like it gets um it gets it
01:31:47
gets a bad rep when people think of a midlife crisis they think of like Harley Davidsons or jet skis but um you know to
01:31:52
you could frame a midlife crisis here okay okay um frame it as um like a chance to to go
01:32:05
okay I've still got a lot of years left to live what can I do better what have I
01:32:09
done wrong you know how can I how can I correct the course of my life and become
01:32:13
the person I want to be big time and great hearing the other bit yourself saying that because you often tell
01:32:18
yourself that you go you know what this is this is an opportunity you know there's an opportunity to have a second
01:32:23
life instead of you know as good as it was you can you can pretty much imagine where your life was gonna
01:32:31
it was that aspect of it was fairly predictable and rightly wrongly now you have no idea you have no idea in 10
01:32:38
years time who you might be with the way you might even be living um and that's kind of exciting it's kind
01:32:45
of almost like being what are you going to do when you leave school kind of thing you don't know
01:32:50
um and you've got the freedom now um which you you just go off and live and live in Spain for a month if you
01:32:58
wanted to you know um do you know anyone over there I got some friends just flag my kids no
01:33:08
then you go then he realized damn I've got kids and then you'll be like well [ __ ] you
01:33:13
guys you're in your late teens my parents abandoned me for a year when I was 11. oh there you go and look I'm
01:33:17
quite frankly you know I hardly see them anyway yeah you know so that's that's
01:33:21
what's interesting thing so we've done this you know everyone does it differently and we've chosen to a week
01:33:26
on week off kind of thing because logistically I couldn't do anything less complicated more complicated and it kind
01:33:31
of works pretty well but what I realizing now of their ages I hardly see them anyway they do their own stuff in
01:33:36
the weekend so independent they have sleepovers and I'm sort of associating the fact I don't see him as much as I
01:33:41
did with the breakup but nothing to do with it they are doing the right thing now and
01:33:46
you almost got to stay out of it you know so you join them are you um are you seeing anyone now are you quite happy on
01:33:52
your own at the at the stage um I have been um that's why I'm in a confusing stage
01:34:00
yeah but I have I've certainly been being seen someone who's very cool um
01:34:05
but I still think I've got stuff yes yeah you know um which probably makes me not the ideal person
01:34:15
right now but you know who knows but yeah I've been lucky in that sense that
01:34:19
you know yeah sure it's good that you've got the um the EQ I guess to um is that a thing the emotional
01:34:27
intelligence to to recognize that because I think it looked like the easy thing for I think
01:34:34
especially for guys to do is just jump from one end to another and you know and not not actually process what's happened
01:34:40
and what they've gone through but then I suppose yeah then you I suppose you've
01:34:42
got to be careful um of maybe not overthinking it too much yeah and thinking oh [ __ ] you know I'm
01:34:50
not ready for that I'm in the team you know 10 years on the track and you know
01:34:53
that that person was great or perfect and you you you're in the sort of fuzz
01:34:58
of hey I'm still a victim you know I'm just going through the stuff and they
01:35:02
say yeah whatever man you know eventually people stop you know listening hey it's not big news anymore
01:35:07
man we know you broke up you know we've moved on but there's more Goss you know
01:35:13
so you've got to pull yourself apart and go okay all right at what point is this
01:35:18
still you you know using that as a crutch and what point are you you know you got to get real again at some point
01:35:25
I suppose you know you you haven't seen a therapist or anything you've quite
01:35:28
good at just processing stuff um a friend a friend of mine put me on to someone and I think it was because of
01:35:34
covert ended up being on like an online kind of thing like a zoom call to hate you know I almost need to see a
01:35:40
therapist for zooms I hate them you know so seeing a therapist on Zoom was actually was quite
01:35:45
yeah so and look I can't I can't say how helpful it was but I remember telling him I'm not feeling really good
01:35:56
today really good today yeah sure yeah I'm real good you've sold me it's good
01:36:00
you know I just think I wanted to get off yeah right as I said a few a few podcasts that can be quite sort of
01:36:08
specifically tailored um to your sort of situation were quite helpful so we've got the space up among
01:36:13
Ryan I found myself driving up there and I'm sick of Music whatever actually I
01:36:17
couldn't listen to music for quite a long time after after all this for some
01:36:21
reason so I just used to drive around with the car with no music on but you know no really why couldn't you listen
01:36:27
to No you think even sad songs would resonate with you or yeah but after a while I could and then I enjoyed it
01:36:33
again more than I did even before because they got a sort of a reboot but for a brief period Then I literally just
01:36:40
couldn't listen to music especially Adele I'd imagine yeah Adele um certainly not my own stuff I'm stuck oh
01:36:47
no one can listen to that I know um and that was that was very hard to listen no but uh but these podcasts are
01:36:54
quite good because my particular guy I can't remember what his name was um American guy you know and he is going
01:37:02
through a breakup and yet before you know you listen to this guy and there's
01:37:06
different sort of modules to it I thought that was pretty helpful um I'm trying to think if there's
01:37:10
anything I did specifically that he suggested but I was just hearing someone talk about
01:37:17
you you don't feel so unique oh no [ __ ] this is normal you know and everyone you
01:37:21
know that's been through a breakup say oh it takes time and look trust me in a
01:37:25
year and a half you'll be fine you know that sort of stuff it gets easier it
01:37:28
gets easier and it does and again back to mental health thing everyone has stuff to deal with you know but it does
01:37:35
it will get easier oh yeah that's too short let's try to write it out you know
01:37:39
one foot in front of the other and only you can do it unfortunately yeah that's
01:37:43
that's the thing you know you no one else can you've got to walk that walk
01:37:48
somehow and um and that's always stood well you've been I mean it rocks in it it's such a common
01:37:55
thing like a relationship breakdown and it does rock you at the time and I feel like the stuff that you went through
01:38:00
earlier in life um probably set you in a good position for it in terms of resilience yeah I
01:38:04
think so yeah I think I think it probably has um uh and if it hasn't well you know
01:38:12
regardless it's another experience to put down with all your other experiences you know it's in this one
01:38:18
not necessarily was a great experience but it's an experience nonetheless so
01:38:23
you know on the the tapestry of your life it's something that's an interesting spot you know yeah that's a
01:38:28
like a tapestry like a mosaic it's just part of the you know it's not always
01:38:32
good parts it doesn't always have to be you need all that stuff and I do remember though I do as you remember
01:38:38
thinking this and the real peak of it that a real emotional side the raw stage that week
01:38:44
after kind of stuff you know where you can't sleep on that sort of stuff in a strange kind of way you never felt
01:38:51
more alive doesn't mean you were happy but you you feeling the pain you felt alive and you weren't numb it's
01:39:03
like getting burned you could feel it you meant [ __ ] I'm alive here you know
01:39:07
and not everything has to be a real positive amazing euphoric experience to feel alive it can be
01:39:15
um something as ghastly as that can actually make you feel not invigorated but I'm in touch with
01:39:22
emotions I suppose could you feel that at the time or just on reflection at out there but not I
01:39:33
did a gray guy life nothing really good happening nothing really bad happening just another day Monday Tuesday
01:39:39
Wednesday Thursday you know oh Years Gone by New Year big party you know the mundanus of life that everybody goes
01:39:47
through at some stage you know um but like one day Cricket those middle overs the 30 overs kind of like you know
01:39:52
come on you know a bit like that and suddenly I felt [ __ ] you know you're you're on fire here
01:39:59
you're someone's slapped me woking you up you know you actually feel alive
01:40:04
um and then you have these hopefully transfer that into more positive energy I suppose it's got to start somewhere
01:40:11
yeah well thanks for being so open and honest to chat about this stuff how are you did you and your wife um
01:40:17
ex-wife sit down and tell the kids at the same time how to kind of yeah or did they like you didn't know I was coming
01:40:22
to the kids sort of Heaven in cling war no I don't think so they're probably
01:40:27
time so they thought oh you guys going to bring it up kind of thing you know and of course we would assured no no no
01:40:31
no that's not us you know and my thing I believe that too um sorry kids I was telling the truth I
01:40:41
think about it now she didn't say anything it was just me that say no no but um no
01:40:47
they they didn't I don't think they did we I suppose yeah we sort of set them
01:40:51
down but and they took it remarkably well um and still have because it's ongoing
01:40:56
and it's not easy going from house to house and you've got to put it but in
01:40:59
the end of day look we're all still here and I've got a house through you know
01:41:02
we're live there's a lot of people a lot worse off um you know in so many ways yeah that's
01:41:08
a thing um yeah there's a saying I really like it that um comparison is the theft of
01:41:12
Joy but I think I'm sometimes comparing Down's not a bad thing like you when
01:41:16
you're in the French jail yeah yeah oh yeah those people there I mean they live
01:41:20
in their um and I think it is okay to go um oh [ __ ] you know you've got all these
01:41:30
people you know down cyclone in the Hawks Bay and stuff and yeah it's terrible you see them their whole life
01:41:35
is turned upside down so that's bad enough like so I can look at that and go
01:41:39
[ __ ] you know or someone's even died and go God what am I going through I'm doing
01:41:43
a podcast for Dom yeah I'm talking about my life I mean it's not uh some might
01:41:47
say you've got it worse than some of the people in Hawke's Bay well there you go
01:41:50
but then the people at Hawke's Bay they'll say yeah but look well it is what it is when there's people down the
01:41:56
road that are you know and there's someone at Starship at the moment whether with a kid who's you know on a
01:42:02
machined they're not know if it's going to be alive in the morning so there's nothing wrong
01:42:08
with saying you know what there's always someone worse off yeah and even if just
01:42:13
saying it um saying it can sink in I think yeah yeah it does make it you know it's not
01:42:20
perfect but it does help absolutely hey well thanks for being oh what what's
01:42:24
next for you uh it has um 2023 looking you can do another another series of Heartland you were saying more Moon TV
01:42:30
we're looking at trying to do another sort of Heartland show but maybe in Europe that's right talk about going to
01:42:35
Spain kind of thing but whether I managed to pull it off um because we get into a seasonal type
01:42:40
of thing now you want to be over there kind of June July May whatever you do want to go to Spain for a month well
01:42:44
yeah and instead of rushing like it in the states and we filmed that in about three weeks I'd rather get there and
01:42:49
maybe suss it out a bit more or whatever sounds a little bit like rock star-ish I
01:42:53
don't know how I'm going to pull this off but or I may just I'll certainly be
01:42:57
doing another TV show New Zealand or something at some point but there's plenty going on with as I say with the
01:43:01
chips and stuff like that to sort of keep me busy but I'm trying to give my voice a bit of a break at the moment
01:43:06
well I'm sorry sorry for doing a guitar podcast but not so much that but I used
01:43:11
to a lot of public speaking and MCS and stuff so I don't really do any of that
01:43:14
anymore so I would sort of you know give all that sort of stuff a break which I have really for quite a while anyway and
01:43:21
save it up for you know when I have to do ads or TV shows because you know otherwise they'll get rid of me as well
01:43:27
so right what do you mean give you oh give you you don't have like Voice issues it's just uh my voice never used
01:43:32
to be this croaky and sort of tight kind of thing used to be quite a smooth kind
01:43:37
of voice I think it's called muscle tension dysphonia so it's it's almost
01:43:41
like I'm shouting to get this voice out but it doesn't hurt I don't feel like I
01:43:45
am I mean I could go back and really interview that then with you perhaps when you were pimping Moon TV DVDs way
01:43:53
back then and a guarantee if we got the order of my voice would be totally different I often
01:43:59
look at early stuff TV stuff I've got the luxury of having a record of your voice a lot of people
01:44:04
don't have that and I go [ __ ] but I feel like losing your hair slowly people just
01:44:09
think it was always like that they don't notice the sudden change you know yeah
01:44:13
um until my father said on the phone you know a big night last night did your son
01:44:18
I said yes I did actually but it's Tuesday dad and I'm saying I'm sad and
01:44:24
lonely and he used to annoy me because he was right but at the same time but he's always right but it never used
01:44:30
to be this bad and then with add a bit of nerves like you know public speaking trying to you know AMC hey you you know
01:44:35
it gets kind of worse and I found people would know it was focusing more on the sound of the voice than what I was just
01:44:42
saying and once he gets that point you kind of lost them you know yeah so that was really frustrating
01:44:48
um yeah anyway thanks for um coming over today yeah thanks for much Anthony yeah
01:44:52
I mean I really really appreciate it it seems like you're one of these guys that's always sort of on like we only
01:44:56
ever see you as the comedian so to pass out after this in the car no shame in there as long as you're not
01:45:04
in traffic lights or something all right Lehigh you're an absolute gem a New
01:45:08
Zealand gym and I'm so pleased to hear you're going to be making more TV
01:45:10
because um yeah the stuff you do is priceless oh thanks man I'm sorry I couldn't really talk about my running
01:45:15
more but um you know it would have been a short podcast oh no the stuff we've
01:45:19
talked about here's some way more meaning than that it's really cool stuff
01:45:21
and I'm glad you're in a a good place and onwards and upwards thanks man
01:45:25
appreciate it thank you [Music]