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There's way more to Leigh Hart than you may realise! || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey

May 13, 2023 / 01:45:42

This episode features Lee Hart, a well-known figure in New Zealand television, discussing his career, personal experiences, and thoughts on running. Key topics include his catchphrase 'g'day mate', his upbringing in various countries, and his relationship with running.

Lee Hart shares the origin of his catchphrase 'g'day mate', which he attributes to his father and his radio days with Jason Hoyt. He reflects on how this phrase has resonated with fans across different generations.

Hart discusses his childhood spent in places like Peru and Hong Kong, emphasizing how these experiences shaped his identity. He recalls the challenges of being away from his parents during his formative years and how it influenced his resilience.

When it comes to running, Hart admits he dislikes it, sharing humorous anecdotes about his school experiences with running. He expresses a preference for other forms of exercise, such as boxing and swimming.

Throughout the episode, Hart touches on his career in television, his entrepreneurial ventures, and his personal life, including his recent divorce and its impact on his mental health.

TL;DR

Lee Hart discusses his catchphrase, childhood experiences, dislike for running, and personal life challenges in this episode.

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hey Runners only with dime Harley 's

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only with dom Harvey and New Zealand

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television royalty Lee Hart good day

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great to be on you know Runners only you

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know that's what I do yeah I've heard

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um where did the where did the g'day

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mate thing come from What's um what's

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the big story with g'day basically it

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was from my radio days with Jason Hoyt

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right oh is this the afternoon show

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who's your radio on yeah so but where it

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actually came from

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um my father who lives in Christchurch

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now but he's on the west coast and South

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Island originally him and his best mate

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who we've died last year actually

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um that was quite funny whenever one of

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them would walk into the room or they

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saw each other they would always go you

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know

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like with a high up inflection it's

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weird so it was just sort of with me the

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whole time so then on radio

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um Jason all been introduced to you just

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like that and I don't know man you know

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it just sort of resonated so I think my

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father was probably watching that

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listening to that and going he's ripped

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me off

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well it's become like a catchphrase yeah

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and yeah yeah and they're they're sorry

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I was out on a coffee date earlier today

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with um with this um young kid that does

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a podcast he's 20 years old and I told

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him that I was I was I have had you in

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this afternoon he was excited he was

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like so I'll say g'day mate from me who

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is your fan base

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um well that's a really good question

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who knows

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um I'm very disposed who knows it's

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people

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you know a lot of people are familiar

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with sort of the early Moon TV type

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stuff remember coming on your show and

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talking about that when we had a show

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out that kind of thing a lot of those

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people have grown up now so they're in

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their 30s and 40s kind of thing they

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were you know young then that's how long

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ago it was but then you've got a new the

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radio people

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um the ACC people but then you've got

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like you know

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I suppose people that know if I like the

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hell is hella stuff you know I can't

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they say that hasn't had a some sort of

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effect yeah household Shoppers mums you

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know if it doesn't surprise you when

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when youngest sort of people like um you

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know guys in their late teens early 20s

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are massive fans oh yeah totally yeah

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it's it's weird

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um but I think that's the sort of the

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content's always been quite irreverent

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and sort of you know anarchic kind of

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stuff so resonates with younger with

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younger people immature people I think

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they probably see me as

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obviously an adult but probably rightly

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wrongly and immature

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yeah yeah I like that so rather than

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like a demographic it's more like a

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psychograph yeah I think so but the

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people go oh yeah he'd be alive have a

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beer with whatever that might be a real

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pain in the ass you know yeah you know

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but I think to a degree you you probably

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end up

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paying up to that Persona a little bit

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you know I don't know where it starts

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and finishes but you probably end up

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filling in the gaps of people and you

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know in fact that's got to be um

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that's going to be a lot of pressure

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when you're out in public I mean you're

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you're in the early 50s now so I'm

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guessing you're not going to bars or

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clubs all that often oh

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sorry I'm sure you're dead right but as

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it was last night oh yeah because is it

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a nightmare for you being around drunk

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people no so I went to a concert last

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night

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um

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so it was a good night for Thursday but

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obviously we thought oh we'll go to a

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few bars afterwards you know finish an

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idol which is pretty rare you're right

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I'm living just down the road from a

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whole lot but I don't tend to I prefer

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to be at home with a few mates

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um but no you get a lot of people sort

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of come up and you know the photo thing

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you know that's about and

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it's fine actually because people are

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pretty nice to you yeah yeah there's no

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there's no one you know

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a decade you dropped the ball lost us

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that test you know what can they say I

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mean they didn't like the gag that's

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pretty you know yeah I'm a vegetarian I

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hate sausages

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um it's pretty frivolous stuff so that

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you know that's all and it's pretty well

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meaning and no it's not really asking

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about this the other day people go do

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you get sick of it people coming up now

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I quite like it you know not in an

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egotistical way but I quite like that

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it's you're connecting because what

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other way do you have

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of knowing that you know it's not like

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you've got Nielsen data to go you know

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if if

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it's probably more when people stop

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doing that you'd be more that's the

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concern yeah and I suppose in a way

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um I was on someone else's podcast and I

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was saying this I was saying say you're

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Mike McRoberts I guess or Dr Chris

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Warner and you're out in public people

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don't actually like you for who you are

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they like you because you're on TV and

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they recognize you but I suppose if

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someone comes up to you that you've made

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that connection with them and it's a

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reflection of the [ __ ] hard work

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you've done over many years yeah and I

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think so you're right they're they're an

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actor playing a part or a News Journal

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doing a role whereas I think even if I'm

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doing the the college stuff for radio

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stuff

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um whatever it is I I hope I could be a

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little bit presumptuously but I think

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they can see that the real person

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and the social codes are fairly close

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you know they're not too different and

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I'm not going off on like you know

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um totally acting a totally different

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role it's just an exaggerated version of

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who I am so I think in some kind of way

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people relate to it because they think

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Ah that's probably exactly what he's

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like and hopefully I'm not exactly like

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that but they're right it is you're like

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an exaggerated version of yourself an

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exaggerated version that's all that's

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all it is and that's why it's easy to do

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I mean a show like no big breakfast

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where you're playing a

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bethunis reporter really he you know

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really that's going to reject those

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stupid questions the Prime Minister and

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stuff but that's the question is

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going what wouldn't it be funny if you

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did you know that's yeah that's what

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you're doing really is exaggerating it

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um and the jokes normally on me that's

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the idea I've always tried to take that

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approach another another reason people

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might sort of relate to as opposed to

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someone who's going at people and trying

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to expose them and and oh you said this

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you know really I'm just trying to get

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give everyone a laugh entertainment yeah

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and light-hearted and dry and whatever

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but you know I've never thought too much

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about the process or should we've got to

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do more of this or well it would be

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funny it's just it's just yourself but a

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bit more exaggerated yeah I've got mates

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that I think are funnier than me kind of

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thing but they just can't really pull it

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off in any other you know in a sort of

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professional sort of way I suppose but

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you're inspired by them yeah yeah okay

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so um can we went straight into there's

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so much to chat about with you like

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you're such a fascinating intriguing and

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in some ways mysterious guy so I'm not

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talking about my running now no okay can

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we talk about that what is your

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relationship with running I hate it

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tell me

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that's good let's just get it out now so

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yeah well this is the thing with the

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podcast I say everyone in New Zealand

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has got some relationship or connection

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with running even if it's being

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triggered by the doing the school cross

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country

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to have boarding school in Christchurch

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for me kind of young age and it was

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fairly full-on we had to run at six in

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the morning every morning you know

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around the block and you're going to go

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one with the other some people love that

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and they probably got an addiction to it

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then or you know and went the other way

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with me and then I went to high school

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it was even worse because we had quite a

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close College in Christchurch it was

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pretty archaic back then pretty full-on

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um and sports stuff would come up our

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house or whatever it was very

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competitive so the seniors would make us

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run around Hagley Park at like six in

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the morning like nine at night with a

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blue horn and they're right there on a

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bike and you've got to run from the back

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to the front back the front Indian fire

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whatever until we were chundering we're

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literally happened until we're spearing

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up it was just ridiculous

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totally every I've said this before

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every day of that school back then would

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be on seven sharp oh no yeah someone

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would put on Tick Tock and you know

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they'd almost have a section of it every

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day and so for me that's a lot of my

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mates they they ran and they still run

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and it didn't do that to them but for me

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Bill I went to go to church chapel every

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day and now I hate going to church if

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you know what I mean so yeah I think it

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was just had too much of it and it

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didn't come that naturally to me I'd

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rather I'd rather swim for an hour than

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run for now would you yeah yeah quite

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nice for me yeah yeah well I I like the

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reason I run us to the mental health

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benefits like I find it amazing but I I

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mean I said to anyone for me it's

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running but I'm not trying to Ram

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running down anyone's throat

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yeah well I don't do a lot of swimming

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now um but I do boxing and then go to

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gym-based leads boxing for me I really

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like as an aerobic type of thing

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um

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and anything yeah um I'm walking

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yeah yeah yep

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um I've actually remember his ass the

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other day whether I wanted to do uh

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it's not a bucket list thing for me

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everything but the fact that someone

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mentioned it had me thinking I Googled

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it it sounds pretty full-on about 18 000

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feet

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um you know so it doesn't matter how fit

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you are you don't know how you're going

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to react to the altitude and you can be

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really fit

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um but you still may just freak out it

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because you know um and I don't know

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what that's kind of like I used to live

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at 13 000 feet improved for about five

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years when I was a kid yeah yeah I know

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let's go back there so we'll try and do

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this in some sort of sequential order so

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so you're born

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so you're born you're born in Greymouth

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52 years ago and 50 I mean

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I never had anything okay so and you

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moved to Peru at what age yeah that's

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why I left

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um the left New Zealand was about one

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and went to Hong Kong for a couple years

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why Dad's job dad he was an ex he was a

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coal miner and he sort of converted that

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into a tunnel what's you know similar

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sort of thing but you know he's building

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Hydro schemes and irrigation projects

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this kind of stuff so pretty full-on

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stuff so I think Hong Kong was probably

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a hydro scheme or something and then

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Australia I started school in Melbourne

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when it's five for a couple years

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um and then we went to Peru and that was

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the top of the Andes the Miller nowhere

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four hours drive dusty road to the

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nearest civilization it's literally Inca

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Villages all around us and stuff the

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Condor Canyon a lot of people might have

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been up there on a tourism thing now

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there were no roads up there then the

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dad's company had to build the roads and

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that was a 13 30 and a half thousand

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feet up and we were just living up there

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with 15 other expat sort of kids you

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know from England Canada Sweden and just

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in a little school and I loved it I've

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got better memories of that time I'm you

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know more clearer memories than you know

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any other part of my life you know

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really I'm certainly more than my

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twenties

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so you're in you're in Peru for how many

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years yeah I was there for about oh

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about five years right and then then we

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got some back to boarding school parents

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stayed there for a couple years but we

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would travel back and forth who's who's

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waiting oh my brother older brother he

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was about two years older all right

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boarding school in New Zealand yeah so

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you're in New Zealand that boarding

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school your parents are in South America

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11 year old they dropped us back

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and I remember mum dropped us at the

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school and I didn't see them for a year

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then you know at the age of 11 yeah and

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then seven parents for a whole year

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and this is a you and I are a similar

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age that's a time where a toll call

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um was like a thousand dollars

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no email no

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no no FaceTime all right yeah and even

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phone call for him that had to be done

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from his office you know and you know a

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facts maybe would come through to the

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school if it's something important but

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no there's no communication other than

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letter writing and remember they came

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back a couple weeks earlier than I

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thought they were going to I had a thing

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on the on the wall if you actually

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forgot how what they looked like you

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know that sort of you know that's that

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long well you think you're 11 years old

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so a whole year is like 10 of your life

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yeah and it could have gone one way the

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other I mean if we didn't if my brother

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and I reacted badly to the whole thing

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is oh you know they've got all sort of

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homesick and you know eventually they'll

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just have to go [ __ ] this isn't working

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and he'd have to give up his job I

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suppose so he said there's a lot of

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pressure on us to make it work and we're

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both

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I think we got on with it I'm not sort

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of trying to say we sort of toughened up

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or anything but it's certainly and that

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that carried on for the next four you

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know through high school as well but

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they moved from there to Indonesia

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they're Malaysia and Sri Lanka and we

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would travel every school holidays to

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somewhere Indonesia or Malaysia the

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milanoia in the jungle so it was really

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weird

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upbringing that way so I never really

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felt like I always felt like an outsider

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in New Zealand it's weird that people

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imagine that you didn't like have a home

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or a base or I was playing catch up

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rugby literally in the sense I didn't

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know what rugby was until they came back

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at 10 years everyone else grew up with a

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cricket that's why I'm [ __ ] it now

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because I took it up so late you know

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but when I was doing this so I always

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felt like an outsider we had a weird

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accent you know from all the other yeah

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kids to hang out with

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um and especially when we went back of

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course to school holidays you know

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people trying to work out where these

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guys actually from where they're you

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know

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um and it was only in later years

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um post school really that I started to

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even feel like I was a sort of a kiwi

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kind of thing and it's kind of weird

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because a lot of

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um blokes out there I suppose here young

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probably associate me there's a kiwi guy

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kind of thing you know about completely

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yeah yeah but went under sort of

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something I've sort of adapted but

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originally certainly I didn't have that

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upbringing that people would probably

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think I did like growing up in the west

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coast for Tim I didn't know that when I

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was one yeah I still

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I still reference it and the way it was

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a spiritual home you know the

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grandparents and stuff where they used

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to go back all the time and visit it and

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it feels like I feel like I came from

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there because my parents both were and

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yeah I suppose together the product of

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your parents but no I certainly didn't

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really live there so so that yeah

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well you've done it very very well

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um so that yeah so you were 11 years old

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you didn't see your parents were not

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even school holidays what did you do in

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school holidays yeah that we would have

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to go well if go to the West Coast and

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jump on anything myself stay with my

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grandparents on this little shitty

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little in this little house and Grandma

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was just in a wheelchair Granddad was

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Jack and Cole and the fire day didn't

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really talk to us

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[Laughter]

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different ages they just got raised by

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each other kind of thing yeah they're

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not like nowadays how we model coddle

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our kids it's a grandfather's certainly

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not gonna run around and you know you

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know he would talk to us if we talk to

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him

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there's this place called shanty town

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just out of Greymouth which is about 30k

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from where we were living but my

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grandparents and we said hey Granddad

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can we go to shanty town he goes yeah

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there's a bike and the bike in the

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Garrison and my brother and I had to get

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on the same bike and bike every bike you

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know it took about four hours to get

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there and we got there and it was shot

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it was closed I suppose for renovations

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his bike back again and and now all with

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all that state I had an aunt and uncle

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in Christ which you might say they all

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would go to friends places yeah a

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friend's farm this kind of stuff which I

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always

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I think that's something that's I've

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carried on I'm quite a homebody now I

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don't like staying at other people's

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houses much anymore and I'm wondering

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I'm just sort of announced whether it

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was because of that I never liked I

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never felt comfortable staying at

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another

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like getting billeted with the family

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you don't really know and you're sort of

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on your best behavior and you're not

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you're not you're not you're not feeling

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totally comfortable until you know those

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people really really well you know and

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always felt we were a burden on this

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family that felt sorry for us because we

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didn't have any parents so they took us

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and yeah I might start crying in a

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minute did you did you did you cry a lot

00:15:51

that year no I don't think how are your

00:15:54

brother's older than you yeah they're 18

00:15:55

months older so that I made it easier in

00:15:57

a way yeah but he had no one to look up

00:16:00

to or support no that's right so and he

00:16:02

went to high school before I did so he

00:16:04

sort of paved the way so it was slightly

00:16:05

easier but having said that we were both

00:16:08

in trouble a little bit here and there

00:16:09

not for bad stuff but just you know

00:16:11

boys sort of stuff but I actually do

00:16:13

remember when he left

00:16:15

the the the first we went to and went on

00:16:18

to high school and left me alone there I

00:16:20

was actually quite relieved because I

00:16:21

didn't have to worry about him anymore

00:16:22

you know which is weird sort of thing to

00:16:25

say but really yeah how do you make what

00:16:27

do you mean well I I would have thought

00:16:29

he would take on the protector role wow

00:16:31

he's sort of did but what I mean is I

00:16:33

knew I could sort of handle myself in

00:16:34

the sense that if I go in trouble I got

00:16:35

in trouble if he was if he got in

00:16:37

trouble with school

00:16:39

I wouldn't have to know about it you

00:16:41

know I mean um and the same sort of

00:16:42

thing that happened we went to college

00:16:43

College to say the first thing he said

00:16:45

just two years old if you get thrown

00:16:47

down the stairs in a suitcase just roll

00:16:48

with it you know that you just don't

00:16:50

fight back you know because they'll come

00:16:52

after me you know so you know so so he

00:16:55

said I learned I know it sounds

00:16:56

ridiculous now but

00:16:58

just it's like going into prison you

00:17:00

know keep to yourself don't don't look

00:17:01

at anywhere in the eye

00:17:03

don't tell them what you're in for yes

00:17:05

you know back to the wall you know and

00:17:08

uh it's a bit like that so no

00:17:10

that was certainly helpful having an

00:17:12

older brother I think

00:17:13

um yeah I wouldn't be more worried if I

00:17:15

had a younger brother for sure then I'd

00:17:17

seem to look after so you never thought

00:17:18

about that he was probably you know

00:17:19

relieved tonight do you do you look back

00:17:21

now with any sort of like like

00:17:23

resentment at all towards your parents

00:17:25

or no no no and Mum though she's we

00:17:28

wired her up

00:17:29

um sometimes she's got some guilt about

00:17:31

it and I sometimes think when I jumped

00:17:33

up with him oh well mum you know you

00:17:35

abandoned us

00:17:37

and she said she gets really upset about

00:17:39

it but we can only say that because no

00:17:41

honestly it was the best thing that

00:17:42

happened to us I think in a way

00:17:44

um yeah I think because I well there's

00:17:48

no choice in a way there was no future

00:17:51

in education the school in Peru I was

00:17:54

this 15 year old or 10 year old you know

00:17:56

those sort of like Little Country School

00:17:57

okay nowhere we had to get educated at

00:18:00

some point and that obscure

00:18:04

upbringing you can't you couldn't you

00:18:07

couldn't script it you couldn't pay for

00:18:09

that and expect you know it was just so

00:18:11

Random I think a lot of those

00:18:12

experiences

00:18:14

hopefully have probably shaped other

00:18:16

stuff I've done

00:18:18

later on risks I've sort of Taken I

00:18:21

suppose to think [ __ ] well it's you know

00:18:22

if we could get through that we can you

00:18:24

know do anything sort of thing or um

00:18:27

when I said earlier I felt different

00:18:31

would sometimes felt like a negative

00:18:33

thing

00:18:34

it could also have been a positive thing

00:18:35

I think I felt different so I could do

00:18:38

something different yeah I mean I wasn't

00:18:40

expected to do the normal things you

00:18:41

know whereas if I may be growing up you

00:18:44

know the whole new typical New Zealand

00:18:46

thing you know primers you know primary

00:18:48

schools rugby doing that sort of stuff I

00:18:51

just would have been another another I

00:18:53

don't know I'm sure that must have

00:18:55

affected

00:18:59

one of the most resilient people on New

00:19:02

Zealand TV I think uh and in terms of

00:19:04

what you've what you've what you've done

00:19:05

just grafting your way through I wonder

00:19:07

how that comes from your childhood yeah

00:19:09

I think so I think so um and it didn't

00:19:11

you know it's all your combined

00:19:13

experience and the school as well yeah

00:19:15

it was such a I mean I I was in trouble

00:19:18

a lot at the high school you know what

00:19:19

sort of what sort of trouble are we

00:19:21

talking well it was a boarding school so

00:19:23

sneaking out at night

00:19:25

um you know not going to church hiding

00:19:28

in the park

00:19:29

um I wasn't a smoker but there was

00:19:31

people smoking the bikes so they would

00:19:32

be getting caned for that

00:19:35

um you know no I was never into anything

00:19:38

later on of course it was drinking that

00:19:40

kind of thing but there was never

00:19:42

anything too sinister there's no such

00:19:43

drugs or something like that it was more

00:19:45

taking the piss I suppose you know just

00:19:48

being a smart ass it's such a structured

00:19:50

school we didn't have to do too much to

00:19:51

be a class comedian you know um it

00:19:55

sounds a bit like my I went to pharmacy

00:19:56

boys high so if you've walked around

00:19:58

with your socks down by your Nomads or

00:20:00

your tricks that was detention totally

00:20:02

and then if you get three intentions

00:20:03

they can't give another one so they can

00:20:04

you yes you know so and because you're a

00:20:07

border uh they'll be dating you every

00:20:09

week and you'll be like well I've got

00:20:10

nowhere to go anyway

00:20:13

again it could have been so easy to have

00:20:17

gone the other way rather than gone I

00:20:20

hate this and I look back now and all

00:20:22

the I had the caning record for one term

00:20:24

36 or 40 Strokes or something at a 10.

00:20:27

well then they do like one at a time or

00:20:29

two strikes you either get two and

00:20:31

there's no such thing as one there was

00:20:33

two three four or six there's no such

00:20:36

thing as five

00:20:46

but

00:20:50

but it once again once you get in

00:20:53

trouble and you're on the radar of of

00:20:54

these sort of teachers and stuff and

00:20:56

you're on a short leash

00:20:59

look back now I'm going we're

00:21:01

much easier to play you know and you

00:21:03

would never be in trouble and just you

00:21:05

could have gone to them if you knew what

00:21:06

you knew now you could have yeah with

00:21:08

anything but now you have to you know we

00:21:11

had of course um our boarding house is

00:21:13

famous for having Charles Upham the war

00:21:15

hero there yeah Victoria Cross one yeah

00:21:17

that's right so we kind of aspired he

00:21:20

would have done this kind of he would

00:21:21

have snuck out and got Burgers down

00:21:25

you can use that mission to Justified

00:21:28

well that's 50 years ago you know look

00:21:31

um yes I think um again it could have

00:21:33

gone one or the other you know I mean I

00:21:34

got suspended

00:21:37

um it was for breaking even and drinking

00:21:38

something but for two weeks and that was

00:21:40

pretty tough because my parents were

00:21:41

overseas

00:21:43

um and I had to go stay at my aunt and

00:21:45

uncle's house in Christchurch you know

00:21:46

and

00:21:47

um I had to explain to them that you

00:21:48

know

00:21:49

I actually even think about it now I've

00:21:51

that's been pretty tough for them

00:21:54

um missing out sort of the one minute

00:21:56

that see us as a 13 year old or a 12

00:21:58

year next thing that we were 15 next

00:22:00

minute were the university I mean

00:22:02

there's just jumps you know

00:22:05

um I mean how's your brother did is he

00:22:07

turned out good

00:22:08

[Laughter]

00:22:16

he's he's good he so we were pretty

00:22:19

close in a way we're not the sort of you

00:22:20

know Huggy sort of close because he's

00:22:23

certainly not like that but I think

00:22:25

where she probably got close to a lot of

00:22:27

other brothers but again because of the

00:22:28

bizarre experiences we went through that

00:22:30

only that only we know yeah absolutely

00:22:34

even our parents don't know in a way

00:22:35

exactly how it was well I think we're a

00:22:37

close family because of that

00:22:39

um because now you can't explain it to

00:22:41

anyone else

00:22:42

how weird it was but I bet he's good and

00:22:45

I was in a band with him for about three

00:22:46

or four years

00:22:48

um which was good he you know he's

00:22:50

different older brother he's the one

00:22:52

that tells me what I'm doing wrong and

00:22:55

he if he's handy he can fix stuff and he

00:22:58

comes around to my place that I've done

00:22:59

he's always checking things out now he's

00:23:01

going to leave like that are you oh

00:23:02

you're gonna you know why'd you why'd

00:23:04

you do it that way you know he's very

00:23:05

you know what is what does he do he's

00:23:07

sort of doing uh web sort of online

00:23:11

stuff editing you don't even know online

00:23:13

it's like being with my brother and

00:23:15

sisters I don't really know what they do

00:23:16

I don't care

00:23:18

you're famous why should you make

00:23:21

everybody no but he's good he's uh he's

00:23:23

been a good um yeah a good inspiration I

00:23:26

suppose yeah and where are your parents

00:23:28

now they still overseas now so they

00:23:30

retired

00:23:31

um and yeah just out of Christchurch so

00:23:33

so they were in the UK for your dad um

00:23:36

helped build the uh the English Channel

00:23:38

tunnel yeah

00:23:39

oh you did as well yeah so what happened

00:23:41

he his last

00:23:44

in Sri Lanka uh one of the later jobs he

00:23:47

lost his leg below the knee

00:23:49

um when I was my last year at school I

00:23:51

think in a telling accident sort of so

00:23:53

that he didn't retire he kept working

00:23:54

another 10 years or so but it kind of

00:23:55

affected

00:23:57

some of the jobs he would do he wouldn't

00:23:58

be going so far to the jungle and stuff

00:24:00

so he ended up getting a job on the

00:24:02

channel tunnel you know between England

00:24:04

and France course and that's such a

00:24:05

massive project that you know ten

00:24:07

thousands of guys working on and he was

00:24:09

heading up a whole

00:24:10

sort of Department almost the all the

00:24:13

outside stuff going in kind of thing and

00:24:15

so because of his leg he wasn't really

00:24:17

allowed in the tunnel

00:24:19

and by this stage my brother and I were

00:24:21

at University

00:24:22

or I was my first year I think

00:24:24

and pretty much goofing around you know

00:24:27

that first year were you well yeah what

00:24:29

was your ba

00:24:31

you don't think what really was a sort

00:24:33

of look people

00:24:34

at University I'll go I'll sort of that

00:24:36

later yeah yeah yeah and the first year

00:24:38

was certainly a case of

00:24:40

look I'll get it all out of my system

00:24:42

this year and catch up all the points

00:24:44

next year you know just so and it was

00:24:47

the start of my second year and I was I

00:24:49

suppose I started to knuckle down and

00:24:50

and there were jobs getting the channel

00:24:52

tunnel you know laboring some jobs such

00:24:53

really really good money because it's

00:24:55

all on the bonus system so he rang up

00:24:56

and said look

00:24:58

um it wasn't really nepotism in a way

00:24:59

because you wouldn't be working anywhere

00:25:01

near him or anything but you know he a

00:25:03

few contacts said okay so my brother and

00:25:05

I both went over and got a job on the

00:25:07

channel tunnel for about three years

00:25:09

um

00:25:09

pumping concrete into the into the roof

00:25:12

that sounds like real hard work really

00:25:14

full-on and again that feels like

00:25:15

another life well it wasn't that hard I

00:25:18

mean

00:25:18

um yeah sort of young then and but it

00:25:21

was again we talk about bizarre

00:25:23

experiences

00:25:25

this ridiculous amount of different

00:25:27

shift patterns so everyone's living in

00:25:28

pretty much in the Two Towns Dover or

00:25:30

folkestone on the English side and it

00:25:33

was a 24 out for about three or four

00:25:35

years it was just 24 hour people would

00:25:37

be coming off their shift you'd be

00:25:38

finishing work at three in the morning

00:25:40

and you could be on that shift for two

00:25:42

weeks in a row so you have to go for a

00:25:44

beer of course after work so you're

00:25:45

you're at about three in the morning

00:25:47

till six and then you go to bed at six

00:25:50

in the morning and wake up at one in the

00:25:52

afternoon get up have a shower you

00:25:54

haven't seen daylight yet because you're

00:25:55

in the tunnel and then you know and or

00:25:58

you could be so long story short no

00:26:00

matter what shift pack you were there

00:26:01

would be thousands of people literally

00:26:05

on the past 80 24 7 it's like Las Vegas

00:26:08

there's no daylight or no clocks yeah no

00:26:11

clocks and of course because of that of

00:26:13

course heaps of women Etc move the town

00:26:15

all these guys heaps of money so the

00:26:16

whole thing turned into a sort of um

00:26:17

Yukon Gold sort of rush sort of town for

00:26:20

two or three years

00:26:22

um which is incredible and again so many

00:26:24

characters and stuff there imagine all

00:26:26

these people who are Irish from northern

00:26:29

England Wales Scottish you know all the

00:26:31

mining sort of parts of the UK working

00:26:33

there and really funny full-on work hard

00:26:35

sort of play hard guys so again probably

00:26:38

more bad habits

00:26:40

they end up you know it's normal to be

00:26:42

drinking at five in the morning you know

00:26:44

okay can you bury it sex in the morning

00:26:45

because you you do your shift yeah you

00:26:47

did it you know but it's not so normal

00:26:49

if you do it now unless you're at the

00:26:51

airport for some reason yeah

00:26:53

it doesn't matter you know so okay so

00:26:57

you you did one year university then you

00:26:59

went overseas for three years but then

00:27:01

you came back to New Zealand and

00:27:02

finished your degree

00:27:04

um and I pretty much well always music

00:27:07

was always there or thereabouts with us

00:27:09

and I ended up going to Scotland after

00:27:11

that and I left the tunnel and played a

00:27:14

little duo with a friend of mine like a

00:27:15

band was that wild turkey

00:27:17

it was the it was the you know so Matt

00:27:20

and I just I got a guitar and stuff and

00:27:22

we almost in pubs but sort of bust away

00:27:25

for a few months think [ __ ] this is

00:27:28

really good here if we had a half decent

00:27:29

band we could come back here and do

00:27:31

something good so we went back to New

00:27:32

Zealand hooked up with my brother

00:27:33

started a band we're pretty Rough and

00:27:36

Ready sort of three-quarter rock and

00:27:37

roll sort of band but we had something

00:27:39

about us

00:27:41

um probably a lack of knowledge of how

00:27:44

bad we were that was probably our

00:27:46

biggest skill

00:27:48

ignorance

00:27:51

ego is bigger than our talent and so

00:27:54

much so this is pretty cool we put a CD

00:27:56

out and stuff and original stuff but

00:27:59

um saved a whole lot of money up went

00:28:01

back to Scotland

00:28:02

um played there for about another two

00:28:04

years or so a year or so and then from

00:28:06

Scotland went to France at the ski

00:28:08

resorts and played there and and that's

00:28:10

where we went to jail oh yeah yeah

00:28:12

you've done hard times 11 days

00:28:17

what was there for like an immigration

00:28:18

thing yeah it was enough I I should get

00:28:20

a better story for it because it was

00:28:22

nice

00:28:23

really it was we were playing too loud

00:28:26

and we're on the radar of the the French

00:28:28

police there anyway they'd been a few

00:28:29

warnings but it didn't seem too serious

00:28:31

that time for us but one day they put

00:28:33

our van over and pretty much asked for

00:28:35

our paperwork you know papers you know

00:28:36

and it sort of seemed that we'd come in

00:28:40

illegally which we didn't assess that

00:28:41

our passports weren't stamped but

00:28:43

besides that we didn't really have work

00:28:46

permit to be you know so the con

00:28:49

um confiscate all our money search our

00:28:51

apartment home to find a lot of stuff

00:28:53

there but I've just found a lot of

00:28:54

bottles of bourbon I'd say and then uh

00:28:56

then they sent us to Jail uh awaiting

00:28:59

deportation

00:29:00

11 days that seems well it's not it's

00:29:03

not an exact science so they that they

00:29:05

go it could be two days they go you stay

00:29:08

here until we book the cheapest flight

00:29:12

we can you know we can make all the

00:29:13

arrangements kind of thing and they can

00:29:15

keep you a maximum of 11 days or 12 days

00:29:18

or something so you could have gone at

00:29:19

seven but for some either on purpose to

00:29:22

make a point or just through the

00:29:24

bureaucracy of the whole thing it ended

00:29:25

up being the full stint

00:29:28

no good behavior but that was funny

00:29:31

because you think oh it's just an

00:29:33

immigration prison but actually that was

00:29:34

quite full-on because

00:29:37

um you gotta imagine you know France is

00:29:39

fairly you know with the whole um

00:29:43

their past you know there's Morocco

00:29:45

everyone everyone else in there was from

00:29:47

um Algeria Morocco you know um

00:29:50

the French Colonial you know overstands

00:29:53

and stuff but these guys have been here

00:29:54

for 20 30 years in France they've got

00:29:55

families and kids there so they're

00:29:57

getting deported back to war torn

00:29:59

countries and stuff and they're pretty

00:30:00

desperate guys I don't want to be going

00:30:03

back you know so there's there's some

00:30:05

pretty yeah um

00:30:08

two little white guys in there you know

00:30:10

it was just ridiculous I mean they were

00:30:12

Hunger striking and everything to you

00:30:14

know to make a point and we're like oh

00:30:15

[ __ ] okay and they would say to us are

00:30:18

you hunger striking with us today why no

00:30:21

no it's quite good

00:30:24

are you having that knife but you know

00:30:28

it was it was kind of funny but Matt was

00:30:30

quite Matt Johnson he was the drummer

00:30:33

um who I did moons TV stuff with a

00:30:35

little bit later on as well but I

00:30:37

remember in this van driving there and

00:30:39

uh he was quite worried he's a couple

00:30:41

years younger than me I wouldn't say he

00:30:42

was you know upset or anything but I

00:30:44

could tell he was really you know quite

00:30:45

quite sort of scared and I said look

00:30:48

don't worry mate it'll just be like a

00:30:49

glorified departure Lounge we just won't

00:30:51

be able to leave you know um and you

00:30:53

know until we fly out he goes okay the

00:30:56

van pulls around this thing and it's

00:30:58

honestly it's like cold it's Castle I've

00:30:59

got a photo for something I've got to

00:31:01

try and get more handy and I end up we

00:31:04

end up Googling the place later on

00:31:06

um you know more recently recently and

00:31:09

that actual building used to be used um

00:31:11

by the Gestapo in World War II because

00:31:13

this is Leon and um the guitar and the

00:31:17

cassava used it for interrogating you

00:31:18

know people and stuff during the war and

00:31:20

so it's a pretty you know it was an

00:31:21

actual jail it was an actual jail yeah

00:31:23

it was sales and stuff but I suppose um

00:31:25

I mean you could feel sorry for yourself

00:31:26

but yeah like the way you explained

00:31:28

before about you know people being

00:31:29

ripped from their families and sent back

00:31:31

into the awful countries I suppose it

00:31:32

gives you a bit of perspective oh look

00:31:34

we by the stage we couldn't wait to get

00:31:35

back to New Zealand

00:31:40

we almost felt like we were

00:31:51

and they've sort of made a special

00:31:53

faster for something that I bring drinks

00:31:54

and stuff

00:31:55

but long story short once we got back to

00:31:58

New Zealand we said that experience

00:31:59

combined with you know it's a you know

00:32:01

we have a fairly a lot of fights going

00:32:03

on with the band and stuff and God knows

00:32:04

why when I think about it but it's a lot

00:32:06

of stress we sort of realized that we

00:32:08

let's let's just give the band a bit of

00:32:10

a break okay and let's do other stuff so

00:32:12

yeah so because you because you we so

00:32:14

when you're at University you started a

00:32:16

newspaper called um the Moon Moon Yeah

00:32:18

well I was more actually around about

00:32:19

this time so I went back and said let's

00:32:21

give the band

00:32:23

[Music]

00:32:27

um and I went to film and TV School

00:32:30

thinking okay I might give that a crack

00:32:32

as a film and TV school that it was it

00:32:35

was a total waste of time

00:32:37

and money other than the fact that it it

00:32:39

because nothing's really a wasted time

00:32:41

if you get something out of it and I

00:32:43

think what I got out of it was quite

00:32:45

like this kind of stuff couldn't put my

00:32:46

finger on it what I wanted to do whether

00:32:48

it was directing writing whatever but in

00:32:50

that area

00:32:52

um and also that it might be okay at it

00:32:53

you know I mean you know did you have

00:32:55

sort of a Creative Flair even though

00:32:56

you've never done anything creative yeah

00:32:58

I think so I was always I mean I always

00:33:00

the band

00:33:02

had a bit of that going on because you

00:33:03

know when you do so many really good

00:33:06

gigs but then terrible gigs you know in

00:33:08

Timaru there's four people there and

00:33:09

someone's like the movie putting the

00:33:11

Jukebox music on doing the thing or

00:33:13

you've got to stop at 7 23 on the dot

00:33:16

and they and the fans got a shot in the

00:33:18

and racing now

00:33:20

a dog races on you've got to stop then

00:33:23

you're Pagan you really have to develop

00:33:25

a sort of a thick skin and a sort of a

00:33:26

sense of humor yeah so we're to have the

00:33:28

three of us on stage so although we we

00:33:30

thought we're a pretty cool sort of rock

00:33:31

and roll band I'm gonna think about it

00:33:33

we're actually more of a comedy show

00:33:34

really we're going um you know amusing

00:33:36

ourselves we're going there's four

00:33:38

people there ignoring us we're going

00:33:39

well we've got a dance competition

00:33:41

coming up very shortly and what are the

00:33:42

prizes man well we've got a set of

00:33:44

waterproof bed sheets to give away and

00:33:45

we've got a one-hours fans do any more

00:33:47

than that yes we've got this and uh you

00:33:49

know so make sure you enter the dance

00:33:51

competition

00:33:53

get off get off you know but so that I

00:33:57

think and always liked humor like comedy

00:34:00

that sort of stuff but again I didn't

00:34:02

grow up with the New Zealand committee

00:34:03

though it was probably more British

00:34:05

stuff at all but even overseas we didn't

00:34:07

really have TV or anything so maybe from

00:34:10

your parents whatever but yes I went to

00:34:12

film a TV school I thought I'm one way

00:34:14

to make some money

00:34:15

I started up a newspaper and because it

00:34:18

came out monthly

00:34:19

I would call it the Moon

00:34:21

it says oh that's where it came monthly

00:34:24

cycle yeah as opposed to the sun you

00:34:26

know so it was a satire paper so like

00:34:28

the onion yeah I think was I familiar

00:34:31

with the onion then maybe I was or maybe

00:34:33

was the onion even a thing then

00:34:36

it sort of preempted probably more

00:34:37

remember this this Comics there's a bit

00:34:40

like that

00:34:41

and I didn't really like the cartoons

00:34:43

but the the classifieds and the stupid

00:34:47

um I've got for sale a secondhand

00:34:49

microwave only this sort of stuff and

00:34:51

it's just ludicrous stuff

00:34:53

I think that inspired me so I ended up

00:34:55

writing all the columns you know there's

00:34:56

a Garden City Yeti fat to affection is

00:34:59

there really a Yeti going through the

00:35:01

Henry Park kind of thing you know

00:35:03

Bigfoot stuff and writing all the

00:35:05

columns then selling advertising to

00:35:07

people you know so how many how many I

00:35:10

like in my mind I've got a vision of

00:35:12

like the Coffee News

00:35:15

16 to 20 Pages [ __ ] yep so you know how

00:35:19

much of it was how many how many ads how

00:35:21

much content mainly content yeah mainly

00:35:23

content and then there'd be a few ads

00:35:26

and a few fake ads and a few ads I just

00:35:28

put in for free for people that didn't

00:35:30

even know I put in that just to make it

00:35:31

look you know but just I was working

00:35:33

until four in the morning and it's

00:35:34

amazing how you used to have your work

00:35:35

ethic that's one thing that has changed

00:35:37

four in the morning and it was quite a

00:35:39

Hands-On thing again this is pretty

00:35:40

digital so I'd have to print out all the

00:35:43

stuff these articles stick them on these

00:35:45

sort of broad sheets with PVA glue and

00:35:48

stuff and I made bits of letters and

00:35:50

headlines stuck in my head in the

00:35:51

morning all sort of stuff then send it

00:35:53

down to Timaru where it got printed by a

00:35:56

newspaper printer that sent 10 000 these

00:35:59

things back a jump in a van go around

00:36:01

all the cafes radio stations we'd ever

00:36:03

drop them off and put them out for

00:36:04

nothing oh you're doing like a okay I

00:36:07

sort of imagined you like going to the

00:36:09

library and photocopying it and doing it

00:36:10

like a small route ten thousand copies

00:36:12

oh yeah that was legit yeah that's why I

00:36:14

have to use a proper newspaper printer

00:36:16

to do it because it would have been too

00:36:17

expensive to

00:36:19

um some of the free things to like rip

00:36:21

it up make it free thing yeah and I was

00:36:22

trying to make money from the

00:36:23

advertising so I never made any money

00:36:25

but I might have what it did I did

00:36:27

enough to do the next step next month

00:36:30

you know

00:36:31

um and then I moved to Auckland now to

00:36:33

pursue TV and I thought I'd carry on I

00:36:35

might as well keep the paper going you

00:36:36

know more again probably out of ego then

00:36:39

soon it wasn't Financial

00:36:41

um so did you feel like you were on to

00:36:43

onto something though did you feel like

00:36:44

it could be yeah I thought that this

00:36:47

would take off

00:36:49

um and at different timings with that

00:36:50

content I think it probably could have

00:36:52

but nothing is wasted because I was

00:36:54

trying it hard to get jobs in TV and I

00:36:57

got to the stage where I was done about

00:36:58

16 issues of this thing by this stage

00:37:02

um and I was trying to get jobs on TV

00:37:04

and a friend of mine her Father John

00:37:07

Harris ran greenstone pictures and she

00:37:10

was saying you gotta at least into TV

00:37:12

he's quite cool you should take him on

00:37:14

and give him a you know look we're not

00:37:16

hiring anyone at the moment oh look he's

00:37:18

writing this newspaper by himself and

00:37:19

stuff and he's been a journalist in this

00:37:22

Phillips and he looked at it and he must

00:37:25

have been amused enough to go oh God yes

00:37:26

I've got to meet this idiot so you look

00:37:29

back now so this um this is like mid-20s

00:37:32

this is like 25 26 six years ago

00:37:33

whatever um you look back now do you see

00:37:37

it from the perspective Van Gogh

00:37:37

actually there's some quite good stuff

00:37:39

here well that's the thing

00:37:42

it morphed and so I ended up getting a

00:37:44

dumb TV because of it because of the

00:37:46

pure effort of it not the content of it

00:37:48

but then as TV progressed and I started

00:37:51

doing my own stuff was that Moon TV

00:37:54

right and you've got to come up with

00:37:56

ideas and the first thing I do is just

00:37:58

grab all the papers and just start going

00:38:00

through and that and you've got a whole

00:38:02

lot of scripts there you've got four

00:38:03

years worth of scripts and even to this

00:38:06

day sometimes I find an old one and go

00:38:08

that's quite funny I might rip that off

00:38:09

and use it

00:38:10

as a radio show gag or um

00:38:14

turn around and make it just that Line's

00:38:17

quite funny whatever there's so much

00:38:18

content I think I've pretty much picked

00:38:20

a dry now you know well it said you well

00:38:23

geez that's amazing so you've always

00:38:26

been a hustler

00:38:27

yeah you've always been like just think

00:38:29

yeah I mean and I wonder if um some of

00:38:31

that sort of work ethical that um

00:38:33

resilience or durability comes from

00:38:35

everything you went through before that

00:38:36

like the boarding school years

00:38:38

um the English tunnel years I think so I

00:38:41

think there was

00:38:43

see I never thought of as a hustling but

00:38:45

you have always thinking I was not

00:38:47

waiting for permission to do something

00:38:49

if you know what I mean not going

00:38:51

through a whole funding thing for two

00:38:53

years and find out no we don't think

00:38:54

it's good you know

00:38:56

I always had an attitude well I'll find

00:38:59

another way I'll just do it yourself

00:39:00

yeah yeah and it might not pay off the

00:39:02

first time around but maybe the second

00:39:04

run will and they'll say oh he is doing

00:39:06

it okay we're all fighting I mean

00:39:08

um yeah actually yeah I want to want to

00:39:10

get into all that because um your

00:39:12

website moonflix incredible and the the

00:39:14

content on there you scroll down it's

00:39:16

exhausting you've done your body I mean

00:39:18

we just

00:39:19

but

00:39:22

um

00:39:23

first of all so so you're at greenstone

00:39:25

TV working behind the scenes doing

00:39:28

research and stuff how do you end up on

00:39:30

um Sports Cafe as that guy yes

00:39:34

I was kind of familiar with sports

00:39:35

campus to watch it and during the week

00:39:37

and stuff and Mark Alice was kind of a

00:39:39

friend but he seems to think we knew

00:39:42

each other better than he might be right

00:39:44

but I seem to think he was more of a

00:39:45

friend of a friend then

00:39:46

um we're mates and stuff but um and they

00:39:50

were always short of a guest you know

00:39:51

just the way Rick used to run things and

00:39:53

oh [ __ ] mark would always go oh don't

00:39:56

worry mate I'll sort it out I'll get one

00:39:57

and he would always bring one of his

00:39:58

mates on there and there's people like

00:39:59

Ben hickey or Cannonball before me and a

00:40:01

few other people and they've always and

00:40:03

always went really well you know and one

00:40:06

day there was this shot of a guest he

00:40:08

came down to my flat and Parnell there

00:40:10

somewhere

00:40:11

and I think he was trying to get my

00:40:12

flatmate to come on say come on it'd be

00:40:15

quite funny and this guy was by this

00:40:17

stage but I mean I've got a real job now

00:40:18

Mark I've got to go to work in the

00:40:20

morning this sort of stuff

00:40:21

um go to ask Lee he's down the end

00:40:23

they're probably making his newspaper

00:40:25

you know and he he came in my room and

00:40:28

said hey mate do you want to come on

00:40:30

sportscast tonight and

00:40:31

I'm glad I said yes but at the time I

00:40:33

would have could freaked down and think

00:40:35

[ __ ] you know a bit of warning would

00:40:36

have been what do you mean now he said

00:40:38

yeah look I've got this he's I've got

00:40:40

this tupperware container full of garden

00:40:42

snails

00:40:43

I said yes

00:40:45

um we'll go down and we'll pretend

00:40:47

you're at the international snail

00:40:48

trainer going to the snail Olympics here

00:40:51

we go next thing we're in a car head in

00:40:53

the Sky Studios and running a few lines

00:40:55

and no one else on the show knew that I

00:40:57

was a fake guest other than that so Mark

00:40:59

knew but no one yeah they must how can

00:41:01

how come on um

00:41:03

how do I smell [ __ ] with that I

00:41:04

don't know it could be paid it so

00:41:05

strange right you know so maybe

00:41:06

obviously is there an Olympics or is

00:41:09

there an international snail racing in

00:41:11

Cincinnati or not if there is maybe he

00:41:14

is going you know so he just paid it

00:41:16

straight enough that

00:41:17

um it was believable

00:41:20

maybe they just assumed I was a Nutter

00:41:23

who at least believed he was going you

00:41:25

know as long as they believe something

00:41:27

and uh let's keep this Jazz very hard to

00:41:30

keep straight face on it

00:41:31

um and it seemed to go down pretty well

00:41:34

in the next week let's do a follow-up on

00:41:36

on um where is he now kind of thing what

00:41:38

happened you know so there's a couple

00:41:39

other stories

00:41:41

um apparently must have gone down well

00:41:42

but it's hard to tell because I didn't

00:41:44

even have a studio audience then you

00:41:45

couldn't get any reaction

00:41:47

and then um someone left the show

00:41:50

um Cannonball left the show and

00:41:53

Rick obviously heard that I was working

00:41:54

in TV anyway and had a sort of an

00:41:56

interest in it and um you know and

00:41:58

probably could bring

00:42:00

something to the show so he said would

00:42:02

you want to do a weekly segment you know

00:42:04

and I didn't get I didn't want to get a

00:42:07

stupid name like Cannonball or anything

00:42:09

like that so I just stayed away from

00:42:10

that I just want to be myself

00:42:12

but in the meetings he he wanted to

00:42:15

always give a handle to something so he

00:42:17

would say well what's um that guy gonna

00:42:19

do this week then once that guy you know

00:42:21

so you ended up getting ironically even

00:42:23

stupider name if I'm not wanting one you

00:42:26

know yeah that does it does has that

00:42:28

still stuck to this day or is it a

00:42:30

certain age

00:42:32

some people just

00:42:35

um because I feel like you and Jeremy

00:42:36

wasn't probably similar in that respect

00:42:37

where he's known as New time to people

00:42:40

of a certain demograph he's known as

00:42:41

Newsboy and always will be you'll be

00:42:42

that guy I feel like the younger people

00:42:44

would have no idea

00:42:46

um younger people yeah sure definitely

00:42:48

so so that was um just going back to the

00:42:50

snail thing so I watched that on YouTube

00:42:52

the other the other day when I heard you

00:42:53

were coming over

00:42:54

um yeah it did Pan as [ __ ] and did you

00:42:57

squash a snail yeah

00:43:00

and I suppose that's Kodak I kind of

00:43:04

regret that now because I probably

00:43:05

wouldn't do that anyway just because

00:43:06

it's mean yeah yeah exactly it was mean

00:43:09

and I I don't like hurting animals and

00:43:11

stuff if you want to call a snail an

00:43:12

animal at least it's right on the bottom

00:43:14

of the chain I suppose but still was it

00:43:17

was an attention seeking thing to do you

00:43:19

know it was a shock thing to do in line

00:43:21

I was like you know

00:43:22

um you can't I mean it was um you know

00:43:25

you were swimming in those comedy Waters

00:43:26

at the time and it was acceptable then

00:43:28

for the age yeah you had to kind of go

00:43:30

then you know once it came into your

00:43:31

head you had to sort of go through I

00:43:33

mean it didn't really you know regret it

00:43:35

at the time or anything but

00:43:37

[Music]

00:43:41

I mean if you're in a band now you

00:43:45

wouldn't be writing the songs or doing

00:43:46

other stuff that you would have been

00:43:47

yeah you know you can't you're growing

00:43:49

change if you're not embarrassed by some

00:43:52

of the stuff you've done in your younger

00:43:53

years I think you've wasted your life oh

00:43:54

that's right yeah oh big time

00:43:57

um yes so I was doing both jobs I was

00:43:58

doing the greenstone serious sort of

00:44:00

so-called TV and then each week rushing

00:44:02

off and doing the having to do a field

00:44:04

story each week for Sports Cafe and

00:44:06

eventually Sports Cafe became more and

00:44:08

more

00:44:09

a bigger thing so I'm the left

00:44:12

greenstone and went full time with that

00:44:14

and starting to make my own stuff I

00:44:15

suppose yeah

00:44:17

that stuff is that guy was like

00:44:20

groundbreaking game changing like you go

00:44:22

to all black press conferences and make

00:44:24

it make a pest of yourself was that

00:44:25

awkward as [ __ ] in the beginning I

00:44:27

suppose once people get to know you yeah

00:44:29

funny enough

00:44:31

um and this is where it's

00:44:33

effort to sort of claim

00:44:35

TV making sort of skill

00:44:39

um was a good thing like I'm not

00:44:42

that confident type of person and I'm

00:44:44

not type of person that would walk into

00:44:45

press conference and make it all about

00:44:47

me and fall through the Venetian blinds

00:44:49

you know just get attention that's not a

00:44:51

Borat type I couldn't do that yeah I'd

00:44:54

freak out or a guy Williams type of

00:44:56

thing I can't do that kind of stuff

00:44:58

rather I tend to think what's it going

00:45:01

to look like on screen as long as that's

00:45:02

funny so it's more about editing and I

00:45:04

don't want to give away that way don't

00:45:06

ask the stupid question but really it's

00:45:08

about you know wide shot close-up

00:45:09

close-up cutaways of that guy reacting

00:45:11

but he was reacting to something else

00:45:13

earlier on so I've got these press

00:45:14

conferences and all the other media will

00:45:16

be there oh here he is again whatever

00:45:17

and they'll be sitting there and by and

00:45:20

large nothing would really happen you

00:45:22

know from their perspective and if it

00:45:23

did you wouldn't be invited back each

00:45:26

week you know if you kept going in there

00:45:27

and make it about yourself and you know

00:45:29

setting yourself on fire or setting a

00:45:31

fire extinguisher off you know it just

00:45:33

wouldn't they'll just get sick of you

00:45:35

and it's quite a selfish thing to do but

00:45:37

but when they watch the footage back

00:45:40

even the people I interviewed

00:45:42

that's when the craziness would happen

00:45:44

because that's the cutaways that they

00:45:45

hadn't seen it's the backstory that they

00:45:47

don't know about was running late to the

00:45:48

press conference whatever you know by

00:45:50

and large the actual things that

00:45:51

happened there occasionally you had to

00:45:52

put yourself out there and ask a pretty

00:45:54

stupid question like you know Reuben

00:45:56

Thorne and the huddle

00:45:58

you know uh what do you do you know I'm

00:46:01

there for the full 80 minutes if you

00:46:02

need to do poos in a big game you know

00:46:04

you have to actually ask that you know

00:46:06

and and everyone everyone's got what you

00:46:08

know but that's about as far as I'd go

00:46:10

because that's I'm not the kind of

00:46:11

personality oh and the Jake's got to be

00:46:14

on me as well I I don't like ambushing

00:46:16

people and making them feel

00:46:17

uncomfortable right and he did that once

00:46:19

and what was that

00:46:22

um do you remember the old um

00:46:24

motor reporter Murray Walker he was an

00:46:27

old as an old old fella he's the voice

00:46:29

of UK um Motor Racing for all the years

00:46:32

you know through the classic years and

00:46:34

he was releasing a book and he was a

00:46:36

guest on Sports Cafe coming out well he

00:46:38

wasn't a guest my job was to go and do a

00:46:41

field story with him

00:46:43

um you know on his book launch I said

00:46:45

how what can I do different because

00:46:47

you're sort of in competition with

00:46:49

yourself to come up with a different

00:46:50

angle each week you don't want to sort

00:46:52

of oh we did that last week that

00:46:54

physical gag let's do something a little

00:46:55

different so with him I thought okay

00:46:58

first time I thought let's do something

00:46:59

almost in real time

00:47:01

so I met him at his hotel

00:47:03

and in the lobby and before he got there

00:47:06

I sort of arranged I had two cameras

00:47:07

this time instead of the one that went

00:47:09

you know so this was so I could get his

00:47:11

reactions in real time and what I'm

00:47:13

doing in real time so it is kind of real

00:47:16

you know and so I got there and he's

00:47:19

I've arranged for this actor mate Matt

00:47:21

again we didn't even tell the Hotel this

00:47:24

but I put him in a suit and there John

00:47:25

and made out he was the manager of the

00:47:27

hotel you know and he's not never let me

00:47:29

just just we just do this we sit down

00:47:31

and I'm sitting there in the lobby and

00:47:33

you're Murray Walker there and I'm going

00:47:35

Murray welcome to the show you've got a

00:47:37

new book out tell us how you got into

00:47:39

Moto you know it's all very serious I'm

00:47:40

playing very straight and then in the

00:47:42

back of my shot you can or a shot of

00:47:44

something you can see Matt storming over

00:47:46

like with the sort of uh

00:47:48

piece of paper stuff and yes he

00:47:50

interrupts the interrupts the interview

00:47:52

mid I'm sorry uh Mr Hyde you have a good

00:47:55

time in your room last night did you you

00:47:57

know and you can see my my remote space

00:48:00

going and he's feeling really sorry for

00:48:02

me and he goes you have a good time at

00:48:04

the gym did you uh did you enjoy your

00:48:06

minibar did you you know and he goes

00:48:09

well yeah well yeah I just had a couple

00:48:11

he didn't pay for me did you and he

00:48:12

makes me stand up and goes and I'm I'm

00:48:15

giving her in those little bottles of

00:48:17

whiskey

00:48:19

I'm I'm having to hand them over and

00:48:22

Murray Walker's in there going

00:48:24

what this is for real and he's feeling

00:48:26

sorry for me and I just it's so hard to

00:48:28

do because without breaking

00:48:30

and it was in well this is going for

00:48:31

ages and Matt was playing the greatest

00:48:34

sorry sorry and he walks off

00:48:36

I go oh sorry about that my only goes

00:48:38

you're sure you know yeah cool and then

00:48:40

he goes and at the end another question

00:48:42

that's going okay you see him coming

00:48:44

over again here we go

00:48:45

and we're just escalating and he and he

00:48:48

pulls out this sex store from behind him

00:48:50

oh

00:48:58

biting my cheeks trying not to laugh and

00:49:01

the the reason I felt better because he

00:49:04

wasn't in on it normally I would say hey

00:49:06

Dom we're gonna do a story here if I ask

00:49:08

a few questions silly could just play

00:49:10

along with it just play straight it'll

00:49:11

look better on the end of the day but

00:49:13

for reasons because I didn't want him to

00:49:16

he wasn't he wasn't where who I was and

00:49:18

wasn't familiar with my so it was easy

00:49:21

just to do it you know yeah and I regret

00:49:23

it because he was a bit upset afterwards

00:49:24

oh was he the Aldi sort of guy because

00:49:26

he found he got taken advantage of and

00:49:28

used in a cheap stunt but he was so I

00:49:32

ended up selling a bottle of wine

00:49:34

insane to Rick I'm not comfortable I

00:49:36

don't want to run this story he's not

00:49:37

he's he doesn't want it

00:49:39

um and then he end up talking to his Pas

00:49:41

but then they ended up running it

00:49:43

um but it's a very little known man I

00:49:44

think it was in a weird time a long

00:49:46

weekend or something that didn't seem to

00:49:47

go out I've still got a copy of it but

00:49:49

oh my God that was hard work oh that's I

00:49:52

think you're being um did you did you

00:49:54

think it was good until you realized

00:49:55

there was a bit of backlash yeah I

00:49:57

promise I thought my God this is really

00:49:59

this is a great thing that's what

00:50:00

exactly as I imagined and Matt was great

00:50:03

and this his reactions this Mario was

00:50:05

like and at the end I think it finishes

00:50:07

off with me asking Murray Walker if I

00:50:08

can borrow 40 bucks or something to pay

00:50:11

you know all right it was just something

00:50:13

it was just ridiculous but and that was

00:50:15

the most I suppose borati I've ever gone

00:50:19

um

00:50:19

I feel like you shouldn't be beating

00:50:21

yourself up about that it seems like the

00:50:23

joke was on you it was it totally was he

00:50:26

didn't he was asked and he were

00:50:28

promoting his book

00:50:29

um he was just answering the questions

00:50:30

he was asked intelligently I was one

00:50:32

looking like a total idiot but he just

00:50:34

felt that the whole interview about his

00:50:36

book was

00:50:37

secondary to me trying to get a comedy

00:50:40

right so which it was you know yeah all

00:50:43

right are you quite a sensitive guy I

00:50:45

feel like you just don't don't want to

00:50:46

understand people I don't like letting

00:50:48

people feelings or anything you know um

00:50:50

or

00:50:52

um especially unintentionally you know I

00:50:54

wouldn't I know yeah definitely I think

00:50:56

so you know yeah so so Sports Cafe so

00:50:59

after that what was after was it Moon TV

00:51:02

straight after that or yeah or at the

00:51:03

same time in a way right

00:51:05

um Sports Cafe had a sort of a season

00:51:07

about 36 shows or something to be off

00:51:08

air for 10 weeks and it'll come back

00:51:10

again so in the 10 weeks it's off I went

00:51:13

to Sky and said look

00:51:15

well if I came out with a comedy show

00:51:17

would you better stick it on in this

00:51:19

space or something and I'll go get the

00:51:21

sponsors or something and said I am so I

00:51:22

end up getting a one sponsor or

00:51:24

something

00:51:25

yeah Auto Trader was it auto trader

00:51:27

maybe an auto trader I think yeah it was

00:51:29

so Random so yes so so Sky TV there was

00:51:32

so like we can't give you any money for

00:51:34

a show but if you want to do a show yeah

00:51:35

knock yourself out and that kind of from

00:51:37

that I thought you know that's probably

00:51:38

how it's going to work from now on so I

00:51:40

did end up getting New Zealand Air

00:51:42

funding for a few series of moon and

00:51:43

other things and went to tvnz but

00:51:46

I didn't mind going to sponsors as long

00:51:48

as sponsors don't meddle with it and

00:51:50

they get they just if they understand

00:51:52

that you're just trying to make a good

00:51:53

show and if you make a good show again I

00:51:55

get the benefits anyway you don't have

00:51:57

to shoehorn their messages too much into

00:52:00

it I feel like you've always done that

00:52:01

quite successfully over the years though

00:52:02

shoehorning stuff in yeah the clients

00:52:06

that you've got in the obligations to

00:52:07

them you've always made it quite fun

00:52:09

creative oh totally and I don't think um

00:52:11

I don't I don't recall any sort of real

00:52:13

bad experience with sort of clients

00:52:15

being on your case to bring it up and

00:52:16

can we do this can we do that so no they

00:52:18

sort of leave you to it my life more so

00:52:20

now because they trust you even more I

00:52:21

think but back then probably a little I

00:52:24

think what house of travel ones

00:52:26

um sponsored something I did and they

00:52:28

were a little bit you know you know it's

00:52:30

a soft brand or something and

00:52:33

um but other than that no it was it was

00:52:36

pretty good yeah that's amazing yeah so

00:52:38

um

00:52:39

I mean there's there's one famous story

00:52:41

that they get sold over and over again

00:52:42

about Flight of the Concords so they

00:52:44

they pitch their TV show to tvnz and TV

00:52:46

and said we're like yeah we'll do it but

00:52:47

we want to change this and this and this

00:52:49

and they ended up to Brenton and

00:52:50

Jermaine ended up turning it down ended

00:52:52

up being a BBC Radio Show and then an

00:52:54

HBO show and the rest is history

00:52:56

um was it so like that with you like a

00:52:58

few or did no one did none of the TV

00:53:01

networks want to make your show

00:53:03

um I think with me it was a case of

00:53:06

yeah put its way it's it's ironic now

00:53:08

because people at networks now that

00:53:11

you'll be dealing with were like

00:53:14

kids or potentially fans back then you

00:53:17

know now they're in the positions of

00:53:18

power to make these days younger than me

00:53:19

now make these decisions but they're

00:53:20

familiar with your stuff but back then

00:53:22

the people were 20 years older than me

00:53:24

and they don't know who this young

00:53:25

upstart is and that you know and they

00:53:27

don't get it it's too too random too

00:53:29

random just trust me it's you know see I

00:53:32

got sick of trying to not just as hard

00:53:34

as making a show let alone convince

00:53:36

people it's worthy of getting made so

00:53:38

I'd rather just go look I'm just going

00:53:39

to make it and you do what you want with

00:53:41

it and at the time I saw it as a curse

00:53:44

but all my stuff is on at like 10 at

00:53:46

night 11 at night 10 30 at night you

00:53:48

know which is kind of not bad now but

00:53:51

back then I said what this is better

00:53:53

than that it should be on earlier but

00:53:54

the beauty of that was it became a cult

00:53:57

thing as opposed to uh you know um the

00:54:01

fast burn type sort of show when you

00:54:03

have you know and you can do what you

00:54:04

want and they just left you to it they

00:54:05

didn't even look at the footage really

00:54:06

before they put it to air and the other

00:54:09

beauty of that is I end up owning all

00:54:11

the footage because they didn't really

00:54:12

care they said yeah you make your show

00:54:13

whatever but you know but if I was on 7

00:54:15

30 at night or even something like 80

00:54:17

meeting like eating media lunch no I

00:54:20

mean Jeremy doesn't have any ownership

00:54:21

or control of that whereas everything

00:54:23

I've done I own you know and yeah

00:54:29

yeah so

00:54:32

um yeah and your body of work is is

00:54:34

[ __ ] massive I mentioned your website

00:54:36

earlier Moon Flex which has a very very

00:54:38

similar looking logo to Netflix yeah not

00:54:41

some purpose

00:54:42

um how do you like this noise at a

00:54:44

paywall or anything how do you monetize

00:54:46

that people can watch any of your stuff

00:54:47

for free we haven't really monetized it

00:54:49

in a way it was um

00:54:51

it's a work in progress in that sense

00:54:53

but what it was

00:54:54

more than anything is it's an archive

00:54:58

um so we've got hard drives all over the

00:54:59

show and if I if I suddenly think of a

00:55:02

clip I've got to ring up my brand mate

00:55:03

into and say hey if you've got to copy

00:55:05

that thing can you make a follow that

00:55:06

and said you know

00:55:07

so we made the decision let's upload as

00:55:09

much as we can over time up there and

00:55:11

we'll worry about how to monetize it

00:55:13

later once it's up there

00:55:15

um and it kind of works I mean we've got

00:55:17

um a whole series up there like

00:55:18

mysterious planet or the latest

00:55:20

Heartland show we did so if I was

00:55:22

interested in say um pitching or selling

00:55:25

that to a an overseas Network I could

00:55:27

just send them a link and they can see

00:55:29

incredible that kind of stuff it's just

00:55:31

easier but as I say it'll be easy to

00:55:33

monetize because what we can do we can

00:55:36

sell

00:55:38

um the banners and the stuff around

00:55:39

there you know you can have that for a

00:55:40

month or we can even take the video if

00:55:42

you like all the speedo cup stuff we

00:55:44

could take those off

00:55:46

re-upload them with Speedo cops brought

00:55:48

to you by you know Dom Harvey you know

00:55:51

and and there you go so but we haven't

00:55:53

really done that because it's sort of

00:55:54

too busy making other stuff and

00:55:57

um

00:55:58

someone else to kind of do that you know

00:56:00

yeah and if you've got like a sales team

00:56:01

or anything or no no that's probably

00:56:03

what it needs but

00:56:05

um

00:56:06

yeah I think the key is just to get more

00:56:08

stuff up there some of the older stuff

00:56:09

before it gets lost forever

00:56:12

um which it will

00:56:13

um because we're the only ones that with

00:56:15

versions of it but I see stuff coming up

00:56:17

all the time on YouTube people other

00:56:19

people are hosting my stuff on YouTube

00:56:20

on their Channel I might as well put out

00:56:22

myself oh yeah yeah I was gonna answer

00:56:23

that because a lot of your stuff's on

00:56:24

YouTube because you are and a lot of

00:56:25

it's got like quite High viewing numbers

00:56:27

as well do you make do you make

00:56:28

reasonable money off YouTube not really

00:56:30

I've forgotten well like a couple

00:56:32

hundred a month a few hundred hours oh

00:56:33

yeah but I don't I mean most of the

00:56:35

stuff that's got big views is some of my

00:56:37

clips that someone else uploaded you

00:56:39

know and you can chase that down

00:56:41

you know could you take his down and you

00:56:44

upload your old man it's got no gears

00:56:45

because I've already seen it you know

00:56:47

a lot of those silly shows overseas

00:56:50

world's wackiest write-offs you know and

00:56:52

people fails fail army kind of shows

00:56:56

um a lot of your stuff appears on that

00:56:58

and you're going what you know how did

00:57:00

that end up there yeah and you know I

00:57:02

think we have done some deals with

00:57:04

certain companies that will do that

00:57:05

stuff a lot of it it has been ripped off

00:57:08

yeah are you not not that financially

00:57:10

driven are you just more into the

00:57:12

creative I just yeah you pick your

00:57:14

battles I think yeah I mean what what

00:57:16

are you gonna do what are you going to

00:57:17

get out of it

00:57:19

um

00:57:19

if you were more thought you would have

00:57:22

uploaded yourself and you know there was

00:57:24

definitely a time to be doing that I

00:57:26

think I probably should be doing more of

00:57:27

that monetizing the whole lot

00:57:30

um maybe licensing the whole lot to

00:57:32

someone else and let them do it you know

00:57:34

it might be an easy way doing it but

00:57:36

um I sort of financially driven enough

00:57:38

to I want to make money and be

00:57:39

comfortable but

00:57:41

certainly more creatively driven than

00:57:43

financially yeah if I want to start

00:57:45

making shows because I want to make it

00:57:47

and because

00:57:49

it will help the big picture overall

00:57:52

branding of other things I'm doing as

00:57:54

opposed to

00:57:55

I want to get rich off this particular

00:57:57

TV series yeah

00:57:59

yeah you've um one one person that's

00:58:02

been involved in a lot of your TV over

00:58:03

the years um Jason Jason Hoyt yeah

00:58:06

um yeah you guys um did a radio show

00:58:08

together the Abuja that we talked about

00:58:10

from Radio hauraki um I see you sort of

00:58:13

back together working together now but

00:58:15

there was a there was a there was a bad

00:58:16

bit there for a while with you too I I

00:58:18

heard stories about you guys at whole

00:58:19

deck at the end and it's you couldn't be

00:58:21

in the same room well you couldn't talk

00:58:23

to each other yeah said that too look

00:58:26

how do I

00:58:28

I don't know what happened we we I asked

00:58:32

do you want to hear what

00:58:33

um I asked Matt Heath about it uh he

00:58:35

does the breakfast on holiday he had a

00:58:37

theory and I I was in radio at the time

00:58:38

and I thought this Theory made a lot of

00:58:39

sense he said um he said uh don yeah the

00:58:43

show you do you look for things that are

00:58:44

topical and then you come up with

00:58:45

something off that he said these guys

00:58:47

every day they're inventing a show based

00:58:50

on nothing but their own imaginations

00:58:51

and he and he's he said that

00:58:54

um eventually you're going to get Juiced

00:58:56

and uh that was his take on it would

00:58:58

that be a fair take or what no I don't

00:59:00

think so actually

00:59:01

um all respect

00:59:06

like I met one of the show started where

00:59:08

you started off on just a half hour show

00:59:10

once a week on a Saturday or something

00:59:11

that we ended up doing alternative

00:59:12

commentary or other way around

00:59:15

um

00:59:16

and we'd work together with TV and we

00:59:18

always worked well but

00:59:20

um but it's always sort of um just for a

00:59:22

couple of days here and there but

00:59:25

way similar age

00:59:29

we were professional friends if you know

00:59:31

I mean we never sort of hung out right

00:59:33

yeah I've never been to his house

00:59:36

that's what I'm saying but

00:59:37

on on the show we're we've got a lot in

00:59:40

common but we have a lot that we're not

00:59:42

in common

00:59:43

um so but we never argue about anything

00:59:46

uh we never argue about it I think I

00:59:48

think if I put my spin on it

00:59:51

it was a kind that the show you can have

00:59:55

a smoke and mirror's show or it is what

00:59:57

it is

00:59:58

and

01:00:00

from Jesus perspective it was more sort

01:00:02

of smoke and mirrors you know okay we're

01:00:04

heading down here we're going to begin

01:00:05

address I was kind of more living that

01:00:07

life for real in a way

01:00:10

um Jace doesn't drink right

01:00:12

um he's given up a while ago for reasons

01:00:15

but probably good reasons

01:00:17

um you know but no and that's for

01:00:19

respect from I still do and still did so

01:00:24

if we're doing a Friday sort of party

01:00:26

type show it was kind of a Friday party

01:00:27

again I'm talking about that

01:00:29

authenticity I'm not saying you have to

01:00:31

drink to be authentic I'm far from I'm

01:00:33

saying and for someone I think like Jace

01:00:37

who was a you know a reformed alcohol

01:00:39

you know basically struggled with that I

01:00:43

think and yeah and he had some other

01:00:45

pressures going on

01:00:47

um

01:00:48

and say at home but with other sort of

01:00:49

stuff yeah in that field I think and I

01:00:52

almost I think I became the

01:00:55

um the brunt of his frustration focus of

01:00:57

it and I I don't think he had anger this

01:00:59

we've never really talked about it no

01:01:00

but we get on good but but it's not like

01:01:02

we had to sort of repair it then because

01:01:04

we weren't hanging out together the

01:01:06

whole time anyway but it got to a stage

01:01:08

at the end there where he said he was

01:01:11

good in the show

01:01:12

and I said okay and then I said well I

01:01:15

don't really want to do a show if you're

01:01:15

not doing it you know so I said well I

01:01:18

could as well you know because I wasn't

01:01:19

too worried about the show the money

01:01:21

side of it I was I love doing it but I

01:01:24

wasn't going to try and

01:01:25

find someone else to replicate the the

01:01:28

chemistry that we had you know

01:01:30

um and he

01:01:32

he was he just wanted to go and do a

01:01:35

late night talk show by myself 11

01:01:38

o'clock at night talking to you know he

01:01:40

was you know and he struggled with uh

01:01:43

and you know been the most the right you

01:01:48

think it's just talking on the radio is

01:01:50

traveling the country you're doing all

01:01:52

the the stuff and oh there's a lot of

01:01:54

[ __ ] and I was having to do a lot of

01:01:57

that on his behalf and away or would

01:01:58

both do it but he didn't like doing that

01:02:00

side of it and fair enough a lot of

01:02:01

people don't

01:02:03

um having to meet sponsors for lunch go

01:02:05

and have a beer to get them over the

01:02:07

line just you know he wouldn't be into

01:02:09

doing that which is fair enough

01:02:11

um and I didn't mind doing it so

01:02:13

there was this sort of Yin Yang sort of

01:02:15

thing going on but

01:02:16

so I said I don't want to show if you're

01:02:18

not going to do it then it gets

01:02:19

confusing then he came back for a while

01:02:21

without me and and then I got talked to

01:02:24

it and I said okay I'll do it with these

01:02:26

guys you know and then

01:02:28

but I said I also had an issue that I

01:02:32

was not doing the TV that I wanted to do

01:02:34

in radio it was a drive show I had

01:02:37

plenty of time in the morning but it's

01:02:38

hard to do a TV show when you've got to

01:02:41

be in there each day yeah and you can't

01:02:43

just disappear for a week and leave

01:02:45

everyone on the Lurch where he does

01:02:47

often make a half-ass TV show so I

01:02:50

thought well this is a good opportunity

01:02:51

I can I we'll just draw a line under it

01:02:53

here and go and um get back into some TV

01:02:56

stuff

01:02:57

um you know because radio goes so quick

01:02:59

as you know [ __ ] two years ago on and

01:03:00

all we've got to show foot is a whole

01:03:02

lot of ridiculous shows which were great

01:03:04

shows right

01:03:05

um but then so I did that I sort of quit

01:03:08

I said and then Jace decides to come

01:03:10

back kind of thing and he's still there

01:03:13

now with um kind of doing what we did

01:03:15

the first time around but you know so

01:03:18

look I don't know um he might have a

01:03:20

better he's probably the only person

01:03:21

that could answer it and whether he

01:03:22

answers it honestly or not that's the

01:03:23

honest most honest version I can come up

01:03:25

with but no I'm certainly haven't fallen

01:03:26

out I mean I just saw them just the

01:03:27

other day

01:03:29

um

01:03:30

um at the ACC you know and we get on

01:03:32

good but

01:03:33

friction and he's the creative

01:03:35

partnership is a quite a common thing we

01:03:37

didn't really have any friction stuff I

01:03:39

mean we were it was just funny we'd be

01:03:41

cracking up you know we love doing each

01:03:43

other TV is a slightly different thing

01:03:45

um because I'm a I'm not control freak

01:03:47

but it's my show I've got I'm making

01:03:49

this thing

01:03:50

well I'll get Jace along for the stuff

01:03:52

we do but he literally just shows up for

01:03:53

the day you know yeah um and that could

01:03:55

be frustrating because I'm I'll be

01:03:57

scripting most of stuff kind of thing

01:03:58

and but I don't mind that because when

01:04:00

he comes in he brings so much to it you

01:04:03

know and takes it from here to here you

01:04:05

know

01:04:06

um whether it's the fishing show or the

01:04:08

late over breakfast you know he's such a

01:04:10

good performer he doesn't need much but

01:04:12

that was but those shows were hard work

01:04:14

for me because once he goes I'd have to

01:04:17

deal with the editing the other stuff

01:04:19

trying to work out what guests we can do

01:04:21

and how can we different angle on this

01:04:23

and you know but once I got an angle and

01:04:25

a rough script I could just Chuck it out

01:04:27

of him and he would bring his own magic

01:04:29

to it you know yeah that's why it worked

01:04:30

really well

01:04:32

um and I think we'll probably do some TV

01:04:35

um together again but what it does it

01:04:37

forces you to get out of your comfort

01:04:39

zone a bit and work with some other

01:04:41

people as well you know you're probably

01:04:43

guilty of

01:04:44

relying on you know

01:04:46

doing the same stuff relying on people

01:04:48

who you're comfortable working with you

01:04:50

know yeah and that's a good opportunity

01:04:52

to be done stuff but yeah we'll do

01:04:54

plenty more together yeah well it's good

01:04:56

that there's no bad blood there you

01:04:57

probably just needed a break from each

01:04:58

other it is I think people underestimate

01:05:00

how um intense it is doing a radio show

01:05:01

with another person I think you know and

01:05:03

I hope

01:05:04

to be kind to myself

01:05:10

and I think we did have a good thing he

01:05:12

did say that that he was going through

01:05:14

some other stuff

01:05:17

that

01:05:19

um

01:05:20

you know

01:05:23

and this kind of thing and that's that's

01:05:25

fine by me I don't mind being I don't

01:05:27

mind that happening you know it's going

01:05:29

to happen you know I'm not sort of

01:05:30

people I'm not the sort of person that

01:05:32

Falls Avenue I don't think I'm falling

01:05:33

out with anyone in my life on anything

01:05:34

you know what I mean so um apart from

01:05:37

the old guy from the UK the Motoring

01:05:41

away now a rest in peace

01:05:44

um [ __ ] we've been I just looked at the

01:05:46

uh the clock we've been going for over

01:05:47

an hour we haven't even gotten to you

01:05:48

into your entrepreneurial side of things

01:05:51

you got to be anywhere are you good for

01:05:53

a little bit Yeah so um okay so

01:05:56

um how did that come about where was

01:05:59

that well again it's all it's all a

01:06:01

continuation of the same thing so I

01:06:03

never wanted to say suddenly go oh my

01:06:04

God I think I could make a beer better

01:06:06

than anyone else and make a beer it was

01:06:09

a pure again exaggeration of the same

01:06:12

character thing so I remember you'd make

01:06:15

a TV show It's All or Nothing

01:06:17

you get it made it's all exciting so you

01:06:20

end up going on your show and talking

01:06:21

about the show in the morning oh great

01:06:23

go ahead and drive show talk about the

01:06:25

show goes on how anyone sees it people

01:06:27

talk about it have a few laughs I loved

01:06:28

your show but then it's off

01:06:32

you know yeah

01:06:34

um and you've got another six months

01:06:35

before you make another show and it's

01:06:36

All or Nothing meanwhile you start

01:06:38

seeing at the Wellington sevens half the

01:06:40

people dressed up the speedo cops and

01:06:42

stuff and start going that's really cool

01:06:44

but there's people are really getting it

01:06:46

and I just wanted the Networks TV

01:06:48

networks to see that kind of love or

01:06:51

connection but they don't you know you

01:06:53

go into their office to pitch the next

01:06:54

show they don't even they go they don't

01:06:56

ever go oh yeah it's going off

01:06:58

everyone's really related to the stuff

01:07:00

um so I wanted to find a way to keep the

01:07:02

continuity going between sort of shows

01:07:04

and not financially but you know so I

01:07:07

thought what could I do to

01:07:09

um connect with people still you know do

01:07:12

we have a sparrow cop shows or live

01:07:14

shows or something doing this and I

01:07:16

suddenly thought well if I do a beer

01:07:17

with a similar sort of branding and

01:07:19

attitude of the TV shows that'll be out

01:07:21

there the whole time people can can

01:07:23

enjoy it or not so literally he was

01:07:25

sitting in the office there was three of

01:07:26

us in there

01:07:28

and I said look hey guys I'm thinking

01:07:29

might do a beer brand

01:07:31

for a laugh and they said oh yeah okay

01:07:33

um and I thought about calling them back

01:07:35

in Changi because on Sports Cafe used to

01:07:37

be sold I went to the waikato river and

01:07:39

did a silly story where I was talking

01:07:40

about the river going the old workout

01:07:43

I said where it came from a stupid word

01:07:47

and um I get people that come to me and

01:07:50

I go hey you ripped off our name for the

01:07:52

waikato river that we we could chat said

01:07:55

mate how are you I heard that 20 years

01:07:57

ago you know and they got it for me for

01:08:00

they you know but so anyway I rang up a

01:08:01

brewery oh no I put it on Facebook said

01:08:03

think about doing a beer called wacky

01:08:05

Changi it'll be about what you think and

01:08:07

it just kind of went off because back

01:08:09

back in the day when Facebook was quiet

01:08:10

yeah yeah yeah so I said [ __ ] I've got

01:08:13

to do it now it's one of those moments

01:08:14

where you

01:08:15

you commit to something uh and that you

01:08:19

you have to follow through now let's be

01:08:21

like hey I'm gonna Kilimanjaro or I'm

01:08:23

gonna do the coast to coast and you tell

01:08:25

everyone and I [ __ ] I've got to do it

01:08:26

now you know yeah so it's a bit like

01:08:28

that so I remember the brewerian

01:08:30

and I said can you make the beer and

01:08:31

they say oh we've got a beer we could do

01:08:33

it just put a sticker on it with your

01:08:34

stuff and I wrote all the crap on it and

01:08:36

so it's more about the attitude of the

01:08:37

beer you know not taking bet seriously

01:08:39

it was good quite nice beer is so

01:08:42

subjective anyway yeah how could people

01:08:45

hate it anyway yeah you can't get five

01:08:46

people in a room and agree on the same

01:08:48

BSC well I've noticed that the

01:08:49

supermarket next door where I live the

01:08:51

new world they've got a massive massive

01:08:52

range of craft beer and it's just like

01:08:53

stickers put on the uh put on a can it's

01:08:55

probably the same beer and all of that

01:08:57

totally

01:08:58

um so that was the attitude of that and

01:08:59

that took off so

01:09:01

um and then is that quite a lucrative

01:09:03

thing yeah it certainly was so I got

01:09:06

involved in another Brewery mccashins

01:09:08

they ended up coming on so other than me

01:09:10

having to run it like I was there and

01:09:12

that was pretty hard work because I was

01:09:14

Distributing the stuff and everything

01:09:16

oh yeah so you're a couple of times in a

01:09:18

van like dropping boxes off at stores

01:09:20

and things

01:09:22

but

01:09:24

but a cash is probably came

01:09:26

okay we'll go halves and

01:09:28

have some spiritual make the bear you

01:09:29

can do the marketing and it became quite

01:09:31

lucrative then and then from that we did

01:09:33

the chips kind of thing you know

01:09:35

um yeah

01:09:36

um yeah you're accelerating this way too

01:09:39

fast okay so so the beer and then um

01:09:42

from That Snack of Changi checks chips

01:09:44

which you you've

01:09:47

we were talking about Mark Ellis before

01:09:49

you arrived and you know making all this

01:09:51

money from orange juice I mean it's like

01:09:53

how did someone see a gap in that market

01:09:55

to me it's the same with like salt and

01:09:57

vinegar chips it was a clustered Market

01:09:59

there's these copper kettles and

01:10:01

bluebird or whatever but you sort of

01:10:02

reinvented the chip wheel but I think

01:10:04

it's a comedy of errors and

01:10:07

it's that's what do you call that sort

01:10:09

of navigation

01:10:10

um

01:10:13

it's like basket you know you're

01:10:14

following stars but you're probably

01:10:15

going that way that way that way you

01:10:17

know it's um not like a direct route

01:10:19

yeah there's some sort of term for it

01:10:22

might come back to me but um

01:10:24

that I didn't sort of suddenly thought

01:10:26

think I'll I was thinking what would be

01:10:29

good with the beer a good government for

01:10:31

the beer and be honest I was slightly

01:10:33

bored again because I was waiting I was

01:10:36

in between Seasons I wanted to get the

01:10:37

beer into cans for the brewery and the

01:10:40

brewery I was working with mccashins

01:10:41

they were trying the hardest to get a

01:10:42

canning line but they didn't have one

01:10:44

yet and I said well come use someone

01:10:46

else's whatever so I was a little bit

01:10:47

frustrated because it's hard to keep

01:10:48

marketing the same thing saying oh

01:10:50

Beer's still here drinking you know I

01:10:52

wanted to tell the story that were in

01:10:54

Cairns now whatever so in the meantime I

01:10:56

thought okay how can I keep the story

01:10:57

going with something else so

01:10:59

I could have been I was thinking about

01:11:01

doing nuts or you know chips something

01:11:03

to do with beer

01:11:05

long story short I think I contacted

01:11:07

Griffins and said

01:11:09

um I'm Keen to do some chips

01:11:12

um The Wacky jangi sort of kind of thing

01:11:14

and they got me in for a meeting and

01:11:16

this is where it gets weird because they

01:11:18

would expect me to be the wacky kind of

01:11:20

guy you know like come up so they were

01:11:22

thinking okay what are you think here

01:11:23

they're going to be like beer flavored

01:11:24

chips are they beer and chive and cheese

01:11:27

or something

01:11:29

you know what you know so this is the

01:11:32

common sense yeah like just because yeah

01:11:34

it's a so-called wacky crazy guy that's

01:11:37

that sounds like they're terrible in the

01:11:38

hell would that sell

01:11:40

so I said what are your top four flavors

01:11:42

and I said well salted salt vinegar and

01:11:45

barbecue or something I said well let's

01:11:47

probably make sense to do those but then

01:11:49

they said well we've already got those

01:11:50

that's how you know about we'll do it

01:11:51

different and with a different spin on

01:11:53

it

01:11:54

they said okay that sounds good um and

01:11:56

then they said what sort of Chip do you

01:11:57

want to do and I suddenly realized

01:11:59

that's pretty unprepared for this sort

01:12:00

of meeting and I didn't really know that

01:12:02

much about it so I was going oh yeah

01:12:04

well you know I didn't want chipset

01:12:06

broke away in the dip and stuff had to

01:12:07

be it so I was thinking about a thick

01:12:09

chip anyway

01:12:10

so I said that sort of threw the

01:12:12

question back I said well what are you

01:12:13

doing now what do you do now and I said

01:12:15

well we do a thick chip we do that we do

01:12:17

a crinkle gun and we do a kettle fry as

01:12:19

well and I said oh cool can you do all

01:12:22

that to the same chip

01:12:24

and I remember I was sitting in this

01:12:26

boardroom and all of a sudden you know

01:12:28

someone asked the r d on there

01:12:33

you know next thing we did that and it

01:12:35

somehow locks the flavor and I think

01:12:36

somehow I don't know but um because they

01:12:38

are more flavoursome than any other chip

01:12:41

they of course came up with the sort of

01:12:43

the the flavor that we went in for

01:12:45

tastings we said not that one we so we I

01:12:47

suppose we all sort of came up with the

01:12:49

profile so to speak but in the day it's

01:12:51

still a salt and vinegar chip which is

01:12:53

now vinegar and salt because the vinegar

01:12:55

is more you know full-on in ourans I

01:12:57

think you know so that's what you have

01:12:58

to do just put a Twist on the same thing

01:13:00

vinegar and salt instead of salt and

01:13:01

vinegar yeah but and I mean you see the

01:13:03

packaging and it's um it's it's very

01:13:04

funny and it's very humorous and it's

01:13:06

very tongue-in-cheek and it's very

01:13:07

lee-hat but yeah but the bottom line is

01:13:09

it's um it's the best chip yeah totally

01:13:12

and I think I've you know thanks to

01:13:14

Griffin's kind of

01:13:19

I like to take as much credit as I can

01:13:21

but if they taste it like [ __ ] it

01:13:23

wouldn't matter it no matter how good

01:13:24

the branding was people buy it once and

01:13:26

they say yeah they buy it out of loyalty

01:13:28

or whatever I like the fact that

01:13:30

hopefully most people don't buy those

01:13:31

chips now don't even know who the hell I

01:13:33

am they just like the chips heard from

01:13:35

someone else that they taste good and

01:13:36

they continue to taste good and if they

01:13:38

happen to know me or read the packet and

01:13:41

enjoy a laugh that's a bonus again it's

01:13:44

the I do all the copy and stuff on the

01:13:45

on the packets and for me that is a way

01:13:48

but like when I talk about the beer of

01:13:50

keeping myself out there in a way

01:13:54

without having to do a radio show every

01:13:56

day without having to

01:13:58

um do a TV show every you know second

01:14:00

week to so I'm still here kind of thing

01:14:02

it's kind of a bit of a release

01:14:04

um I'm just I'm surely not like writing

01:14:06

a book or you know a column but you know

01:14:08

I quite enjoy doing the the copy and

01:14:10

stuff and that kind of thing you know

01:14:11

yeah that's awesome is that would that

01:14:13

be is that lucrative will that be like a

01:14:15

retirement thing yeah the chips uh

01:14:18

yeah amazing yeah

01:14:19

[Music]

01:14:21

none of this is none of this is luck

01:14:23

like this all steams back to the uh I

01:14:25

suppose the entrepreneurial Spirit you

01:14:27

had in your 20s when you started your

01:14:28

newspaper yes it's a case of

01:14:31

um

01:14:32

you know how you know some people young

01:14:34

people or some Lord say what advice

01:14:36

would you give Joe a young person trying

01:14:37

to do this is and it's so cliche it's

01:14:41

that thing of give it a crack so it's

01:14:43

not luck it's give it a crack it doesn't

01:14:45

work who cares yeah what do you got to

01:14:46

lose the band is like that I was

01:14:48

convincing the other two that [ __ ] you

01:14:51

know we we got to do this because we

01:14:53

thought we're going to take over the

01:14:54

world as a band oh my God I look back

01:14:56

there now the arrogance the ego of it

01:14:58

but the point was if there was point one

01:15:01

percent that we could would have to give

01:15:03

it a crack because I I wanted to give it

01:15:06

a crack knowing pretty well that we

01:15:08

wouldn't make it big but if we if we

01:15:11

didn't give it a go at all I knew I'd be

01:15:14

this guy in my mid-30s

01:15:16

sitting there guys to pay Katana man I

01:15:18

could have done that I should have done

01:15:19

that I could have you know I didn't want

01:15:20

to be that I'd rather take that out of

01:15:22

the equation yeah don't die wondering

01:15:24

don't die wondering and again these

01:15:26

cliches for a reason and and or I used

01:15:28

to say you know you cross that bridge

01:15:30

when you get to it blow that bridge up

01:15:31

when you get to it who cares if it

01:15:33

doesn't work but just give it a crack

01:15:36

um and as you get older as saying how am

01:15:39

I

01:15:39

very early 50s you uh you almost need to

01:15:43

that's the bit of these sort of podcasts

01:15:45

is that you you hear yourself saying

01:15:47

again you've got to remind yourself to

01:15:49

keep doing that a little bit too because

01:15:50

you can get complacent and

01:15:52

um and you're a little bit choosy now

01:15:54

you don't do every stupid thing that

01:15:55

comes your way but you still got to

01:15:57

remind yourself like you know you're not

01:15:58

dead correct yeah absolutely well I am

01:16:01

yeah I turned 50 a couple of weeks ago

01:16:03

and um the way I say it it's like if you

01:16:06

think of you think of your life as a

01:16:08

sports game and every year is a minute

01:16:09

it's like I'm just into the second half

01:16:11

you're just into the second half oh yeah

01:16:12

like you guys so like if I've got a lot

01:16:15

of friends that are about the same age

01:16:16

as us and they're like oh I sort of

01:16:17

winding down their careers or the second

01:16:19

half's the biggest half right yeah

01:16:21

absolutely absolutely unless you get

01:16:23

subbed off

01:16:24

bring them up get them out of there yeah

01:16:26

but these friends of mine are deciding

01:16:28

to sub themselves hey you have time out

01:16:31

I'm out of here yeah um you mentioned

01:16:33

your ego a few times in this interview

01:16:34

how's your how's your ego on the flip

01:16:36

side of that like the uh like you you

01:16:38

were in a Critic yourself are you quite

01:16:40

are you quite kind to yourself are you

01:16:41

quite nice to yourself I'm pretty

01:16:44

self-critical of the work kind of

01:16:47

[Music]

01:16:50

kind of unless I'm

01:16:52

I used to have to sit there for every

01:16:54

edit and all this sort of stuff but now

01:16:55

a brand to I've worked for years I trust

01:16:57

them so much that he can pretty much

01:16:58

sort of do himself then we just make

01:17:00

sort of changes here and there and you

01:17:02

know

01:17:03

um but no um

01:17:05

I don't really I don't think I have an

01:17:07

ego of I think

01:17:11

um next I think like the word ego when

01:17:13

people think of ego if someone's got an

01:17:15

ego you think that I've got to stick up

01:17:17

their ass yeah but there's like the ego

01:17:19

on the other side where it's like you

01:17:20

know how you how you treat yourself as

01:17:21

oh yeah

01:17:23

um you're quite nice to yourself are you

01:17:24

I feel like to know that story you told

01:17:26

before about the old motoring guy in the

01:17:27

UK it feels like you're still sort of

01:17:29

beating yourself up about it oh yeah

01:17:30

totally look I

01:17:32

um

01:17:33

I'm not sort of beating myself up about

01:17:34

it but I would just regret yeah look

01:17:38

[Music]

01:17:44

[Laughter]

01:17:51

like you do get self

01:17:54

um I broke out a marriage breakup

01:17:56

um

01:17:57

I don't know 18 months ago but it's it's

01:17:59

uh um so that that is a time where you

01:18:03

do a lot of self-reflection I suppose

01:18:05

you know and you realize maybe wear up

01:18:07

with your own ass a little bit with work

01:18:09

and focusing on too much on this and not

01:18:12

that I'm busy I was I'm not like I

01:18:13

certainly wasn't a workaholic but you

01:18:16

may be thinking too much about

01:18:18

um what you're doing your show or that

01:18:20

sort of stuff you know not saying that

01:18:22

might have contributed to it obviously a

01:18:24

lot of things would have contributed to

01:18:25

it but how long how long were you

01:18:26

married

01:18:27

um 17 years sure that's and then two

01:18:30

kids yep how old are the kids

01:18:32

um now the 17 and 15. right am I great

01:18:35

no fantastic so I think I mean they to

01:18:36

be honest they would prefer that we're

01:18:38

not together not that we were like

01:18:40

fighting or anything but they quite like

01:18:42

it like this Peter is individuals

01:18:47

[Music]

01:18:50

probably closer to both my kids now

01:18:53

because of it at the time they've really

01:18:56

I wouldn't say sided with me but the

01:18:57

circumstance of what happened was you

01:18:59

know they

01:19:00

you know that felt sorry for is not a

01:19:03

good way of putting it but anyway

01:19:05

[Laughter]

01:19:06

we made them side with me yeah yeah yeah

01:19:08

yeah yeah

01:19:09

I took him aside and I said this is what

01:19:12

happened you know and they've only got

01:19:14

one Vision yeah so no no and and as a

01:19:18

result I think probably close to their

01:19:19

mother as well yeah and we're and and

01:19:21

we're in touch as well so it was not you

01:19:24

know it's no animosity there no but it's

01:19:26

a hard yeah I've been through that as

01:19:28

well so it's a hard thing to go through

01:19:30

it's Lane like your marriage is to give

01:19:33

the 17 years it's a very successful

01:19:34

relationship but I suppose you feel like

01:19:36

a failure because you stand in front of

01:19:38

your family and friends on a priest or

01:19:39

whoever yeah and say you're going to be

01:19:41

together until you die and so anything

01:19:42

less than that feels like a fail and you

01:19:44

feel like you failed your kids yeah

01:19:47

a lot of people are broken up of course

01:19:49

but and then you're in this apartment

01:19:51

instead of the house that you were

01:19:53

together and it's reflect on All Your

01:19:55

Life Choices yeah every day you get a

01:19:57

chance to sort of think about it but but

01:19:59

then you've got to ask yourself

01:20:02

um

01:20:03

would you change anything about it in

01:20:05

other words would you get back in it no

01:20:06

I wouldn't so there's no point worrying

01:20:08

about that

01:20:10

um would you've done stuff differently

01:20:11

over those years yeah maybe but I can't

01:20:14

specifically think

01:20:17

um what they would be but they certainly

01:20:19

would have the fact that I didn't see it

01:20:21

coming you got the idea that

01:20:24

um it was her call at the time

01:20:26

right so we used the completely

01:20:27

blindsided at the time I was but the

01:20:29

fact that I was completely blindsided

01:20:31

suggests that I must have had my head up

01:20:33

my own ass a little bit to not see it

01:20:35

you know what I mean because you'd have

01:20:37

to be pretty weird not just not to be

01:20:38

you know I think that's fairly fairly

01:20:40

common I've been doing a bit of um I've

01:20:42

got Rachel Hunter coming on the podcast

01:20:43

next week so I've been doing a bit of

01:20:44

research for her and

01:20:46

um her marriage with Rod Stewart which

01:20:48

was about half the length of your

01:20:49

marriage it was like eight years

01:20:51

um he was sitting down like flipping

01:20:52

through some um like architecture

01:20:54

magazines because they were renovating a

01:20:56

house and he was asking her opinion

01:20:57

about a kitchen bench or whatever and

01:20:58

she sort of mumbled under her breath I

01:21:00

don't think I'm going to be here for it

01:21:01

and that was how he sort of found out

01:21:03

and he was completely blindsided yeah um

01:21:06

I feel like I mean it's hard people you

01:21:08

grow and you change like you talked

01:21:10

about regretting killing the snail on TV

01:21:13

it's like you're not the same person now

01:21:15

as when you got together oh oh yeah

01:21:16

totally and you know and people evolve

01:21:18

and um you then you look back and you

01:21:20

think where we were we were there were

01:21:23

we the right people to be together in

01:21:24

the first place kind of thing you start

01:21:26

overthinking everything and then you say

01:21:28

well at what point did I you know or and

01:21:30

or if we didn't break up then would we

01:21:32

have two or three years down the track

01:21:33

or would have just met you know you just

01:21:35

don't really know

01:21:36

um I think the important thing now is

01:21:38

um

01:21:39

you know what happens from here on in

01:21:40

and as I say we're pretty good I mean I

01:21:43

saw yesterday actually

01:21:44

um and you know um and she's doing she's

01:21:47

doing well she's got some exciting stuff

01:21:49

happening

01:21:50

um with her which which is cool which

01:21:52

I'm happy about not upset about you know

01:21:55

as opposed to oh really oh that sounds

01:21:58

good you know it's good for you at least

01:22:00

one of us has thrived

01:22:04

um so how was your how was your how was

01:22:06

your mental health after that

01:22:08

um yeah okay

01:22:09

um

01:22:11

yes we won because I like you know

01:22:12

there's so much mental health

01:22:14

um discussion at the moment which is

01:22:15

great

01:22:16

um but I've never sort of put myself in

01:22:18

a position like hey do I have a

01:22:21

yeah I think anyone that goes to a

01:22:22

marriage breakup would be

01:22:24

um kidding themselves if they uh [ __ ]

01:22:27

knocks you around didn't have some sort

01:22:29

of you know

01:22:31

um

01:22:32

if I could do it again if I could if I

01:22:36

could do the breakup again

01:22:49

you know like you know I've since

01:22:51

listened to podcasts on what you got to

01:22:54

do and this sort of stuff and I wish I'd

01:22:56

sort of had more I wish I'd bother to

01:22:58

maybe seek that stuff out as opposed to

01:23:02

just playing it by ear you know

01:23:04

depending what do you mean what do you

01:23:05

mean well you know I end up listening to

01:23:07

some podcasts you know oh you know

01:23:08

you're going through a breakup you know

01:23:09

and you've got kids you know how and

01:23:11

some of them are pretty good sort of

01:23:13

things you listen to in the car and it

01:23:15

you know gives you sort of not so much

01:23:16

tools but sort of talks about ways to

01:23:19

handle sort of stuff you know and I

01:23:21

didn't really take I didn't use any of

01:23:22

that I just kind of winged it you know

01:23:24

and by doing that it just depends on

01:23:27

what mood you're in each day is how you

01:23:28

react to what's going around you know

01:23:30

they they say for example you know the

01:23:32

whole don't contact for as long as poss

01:23:35

kind of thing you know I was in the

01:23:37

thing we're making excuses to bring up

01:23:38

you know you know or Texas hey have we

01:23:41

still got that thing in the game

01:23:44

not to get back with her and like that

01:23:46

there was nothing to do that it was just

01:23:48

purely just for that little brief

01:23:49

connection which is bad it's just random

01:23:51

not having like it's like

01:23:54

what's strange when you spend so much of

01:23:56

your life with someone and then yeah and

01:23:58

they're not there yeah and and for what

01:24:00

we get a time your kids aren't even

01:24:01

there and you go

01:24:03

[ __ ] you know and then everything that

01:24:05

was

01:24:06

familiar and then you start thinking

01:24:08

deep stuff like both their parents are

01:24:11

still alive you know thank God but

01:24:13

they're not spring chickens you know

01:24:15

yeah so we've got some other stuff to

01:24:17

deal with

01:24:18

in the future but it's going to be

01:24:21

different now you'll be dealing with it

01:24:22

more on your own you know what I mean

01:24:24

yeah um it's not like you're not going

01:24:27

to go and support them in their time but

01:24:29

it's not the same every every uh you

01:24:31

know dog got died last year now the

01:24:34

little beagle and um even that it's had

01:24:38

a sort of better taste about it you know

01:24:40

bad enough that he died of course it did

01:24:41

but and it was sudden but we

01:24:45

um it's only me and my daughter that

01:24:47

were there when it happened it was up in

01:24:48

the driveway

01:24:49

um Andrew's way somewhere and somebody

01:24:51

said we just it just didn't it felt like

01:24:53

it should have been a family

01:24:55

but but it wasn't but we could this is

01:24:59

all in your head a little bit because if

01:25:01

we were still together it's very chance

01:25:02

that some of us could have been a

01:25:04

different parts of the country at the

01:25:05

time because we you know that was right

01:25:06

there going on so but certain things

01:25:08

just feel

01:25:10

a little bit more

01:25:12

cynical or I don't know I don't know um

01:25:14

but that's only some days but mental

01:25:17

health wise and I think um humor helps

01:25:20

definitely

01:25:21

there's that saying if you don't laugh

01:25:23

you cry totally and and I did cry you

01:25:26

know and my kids even saw me cry which

01:25:28

uh you know is that the first time that

01:25:31

I cried no the first time you kids saw

01:25:33

you yeah I think so yeah other than you

01:25:36

know I'm I'm the sort of guy

01:25:39

you know in a sad movie you know a a

01:25:42

Marley and Me who's not right I can see

01:25:44

so if you look at me that's what my

01:25:45

daughter go you can't go no no not me

01:25:48

not me no I'm not crying so I'm I am

01:25:51

quite emotional in that sort of sense

01:25:53

you know I can uh I can cry at other

01:25:57

people's funeral someone's feeling all

01:25:58

that and then I could walk into a

01:25:59

funeral off the street and not know the

01:26:01

people and stand at the back and look

01:26:03

around and I can get emotional from

01:26:05

their emotion if you know what I mean is

01:26:06

that some of this that equipped on

01:26:07

you've noticed as you get older yeah I I

01:26:09

to the point where I go [ __ ] how am I

01:26:11

going to handle any of these big public

01:26:13

funerals that are coming my way and you

01:26:15

know I love a bit of you know down the

01:26:17

track but you know it's yeah I've always

01:26:20

I think I've always been that way but

01:26:23

but I'm not afraid of it either I don't

01:26:26

think you do feel better after

01:26:29

um well it's quite it's quite cathartic

01:26:31

but yeah I mean um but we were raised in

01:26:33

an age where you just didn't you just

01:26:35

didn't cry he didn't show any sort of

01:26:36

weakness but I haven't said that it

01:26:39

doesn't mean the way I wrap stuff is I I

01:26:43

won't just sit there and I will

01:26:45

certainly I'm quite proactive though so

01:26:48

I I might have a quiet but then I go

01:26:49

that's good all right bang is what we're

01:26:52

doing you know I remember saying that to

01:26:54

the kids actually I said hey okay let's

01:26:55

draw a line on that you're not going to

01:26:57

see that again tomorrow's gonna be a

01:26:58

great day sun's coming up and we're

01:27:00

doing this this this this you know

01:27:02

you've got to force yourself into that

01:27:04

mindset yeah so you're quite gonna like

01:27:06

compartmentalizing things yeah um well I

01:27:08

don't think I'll come up because I think

01:27:09

my everything my everything's just for

01:27:11

me it's a big

01:27:12

it's a big river

01:27:14

a lot of stuff going on but quite good

01:27:16

at like

01:27:18

um I suppose look yeah so when we broke

01:27:21

up

01:27:22

what do you do now you just wait around

01:27:24

and sit around and I had to get on with

01:27:28

it so I straight away started dealing

01:27:32

with the separation agreement side of it

01:27:33

you know don't know why but I just had

01:27:35

to do something I couldn't you know so I

01:27:36

went and did all that and pushed it

01:27:39

through about two weeks and the the the

01:27:41

the woman that I was dealing with said

01:27:43

she hadn't seen anything like it you

01:27:45

know and I don't know I did that and

01:27:47

then and it was and it wasn't to make a

01:27:50

point to it it was a very it's it's very

01:27:52

it's we both agree or not it's very nice

01:27:55

to each other but I just had to do

01:27:57

something I just couldn't sit there

01:27:59

waiting for again without a TV thing

01:28:01

waiting for someone to tell me when it's

01:28:04

time to make a TV show or waiting for

01:28:05

permission I needed to

01:28:07

fill my time and because that's right I

01:28:09

couldn't work

01:28:11

I couldn't work not knowing

01:28:14

my situation anymore you know like uh

01:28:17

you know what's it if I'm going to go

01:28:19

make it certainly didn't feel like

01:28:21

making a comedy TV show

01:28:23

but having said that there's been any

01:28:24

ideas for taking over that you you get

01:28:27

now

01:28:28

that I wouldn't have thought of had I

01:28:30

not gone through that experience you

01:28:31

know more darker sort of Comedy or you

01:28:33

sort of seeing a marriage break up sort

01:28:34

of stuff or

01:28:35

um yeah because you touched upon this on

01:28:37

your American Heartland show yes that

01:28:39

again was a little bit cheeky

01:28:41

um at

01:28:42

and just expensive but it wasn't meant

01:28:45

to be Jake's on me yeah do you want to

01:28:47

like recap that for anyone that may have

01:28:48

missed that I

01:28:54

mean on the TV about oh Terry's wife is

01:28:57

left for a Furniture upholster and

01:28:59

taking any kind of thing you know so

01:29:02

um so I thought you know doing a travel

01:29:03

show through the states it might as well

01:29:05

be a bit of backstory to it fake or real

01:29:08

and you've got to bring a little bit of

01:29:10

real stuff to it so I've just gone

01:29:11

through marriage breakup so why the hell

01:29:13

is he jumping through the states all

01:29:14

right he's going through a midlife

01:29:15

crisis which which I'm not but you know

01:29:17

that's a good you've got a middle-aged

01:29:19

guy making a travel show you might as

01:29:20

well just a midlife crisis on him gives

01:29:22

a bit more of an edge so I sit there

01:29:24

talking to the camera going on yeah well

01:29:26

you know it's been tough you know my

01:29:28

wife's left me for a a carp and underlay

01:29:31

salesman or something you know I don't

01:29:32

even covered underlay broken or

01:29:34

something that was made up and isn't

01:29:36

seeing a carpet

01:29:39

I'm not a surprise I know if you heard

01:29:41

something

01:29:42

maybe no but that was cathartic in the

01:29:46

sense having a bit of a laugh at it you

01:29:48

know and she knows me well enough you

01:29:50

know she's certain of course it's an eye

01:29:52

rolling thing for him oh here he goes

01:29:53

you know and she would have had a life

01:29:55

but to the point I think we should

01:29:57

actually contacted me once because we're

01:29:59

making the episodes bit my bit and I

01:30:01

think she actually she rang me up and

01:30:03

said

01:30:04

um how many more episodes are there and

01:30:06

and and how many more times am I gonna

01:30:10

appear in there you know just my parents

01:30:12

want to know is that what I read okay

01:30:14

look don't worry about it tweet it to

01:30:16

now there's no more

01:30:17

um was it was it a little um a little

01:30:19

peace egg

01:30:20

was that little truth there yeah right

01:30:22

right oh there's a little treat I mean

01:30:24

yeah yeah I mean passive aggressive

01:30:27

not really no I was more it's more about

01:30:29

the gag yeah right put it away if

01:30:32

we hadn't

01:30:34

broken up and we're still together

01:30:37

there's a

01:30:38

90 chance that a similar line would have

01:30:42

been yeah right whether it might not

01:30:44

been so important yeah it's a little

01:30:46

passive aggressive I think I knew

01:30:47

there'd be a few people gonna laugh out

01:30:48

of it so maybe I was being a bit cheeky

01:30:50

but I certainly knew that people the

01:30:52

important people involved in my kids for

01:30:54

example who were watching I couldn't

01:30:55

wait for them to watch the show I

01:30:57

certainly wouldn't have done even one of

01:30:59

them saw it before we went away and they

01:31:00

were laughing going oh that's so funny

01:31:01

that's good yeah I see you shorts right

01:31:03

yeah I'll be right you know yeah I

01:31:05

suppose for them it means you're in a

01:31:07

good place like you because you're at

01:31:08

the point where you can make jokes about

01:31:09

it yeah and look and if I always wanted

01:31:11

to be serious and and be aggressive or

01:31:15

be snarky it could be you know

01:31:18

um again jokes on me who what kind of

01:31:21

idiot what kind of idiot TV professional

01:31:24

TV presenter would be supposed to be

01:31:26

talking about the where he is we'll be

01:31:28

talking about his his wife leaving

01:31:31

leaving him for a Furniture upholstery

01:31:33

or whatever it is pretty funny yeah I

01:31:35

mean that that again I just find that

01:31:37

amusing that this guy how unprofessional

01:31:39

this guy can't you focus on me well you

01:31:42

mentioned the term midlife crisis before

01:31:44

and I I feel like it gets um it gets it

01:31:47

gets a bad rep when people think of a

01:31:48

midlife crisis they think of like Harley

01:31:49

Davidsons or jet skis but um you know to

01:31:52

you could frame a midlife crisis here

01:31:59

okay

01:32:01

okay um

01:32:02

frame it as um like a chance to to go

01:32:05

okay I've still got a lot of years left

01:32:07

to live what can I do better what have I

01:32:09

done wrong you know how can I how can I

01:32:11

correct the course of my life and become

01:32:13

the person I want to be big time and

01:32:15

great hearing the other bit yourself

01:32:16

saying that because you often tell

01:32:18

yourself that you go you know what this

01:32:20

is this is an opportunity you know

01:32:22

there's an opportunity to have a second

01:32:23

life instead of you know

01:32:26

as good as it was you can you can pretty

01:32:28

much imagine where your life was gonna

01:32:31

it was that aspect of it was fairly

01:32:33

predictable and rightly wrongly now you

01:32:36

have no idea you have no idea in 10

01:32:38

years time

01:32:39

who you might be with the way you might

01:32:41

even be living

01:32:43

um and that's kind of exciting it's kind

01:32:45

of almost like being

01:32:47

what are you going to do when you leave

01:32:48

school kind of thing you don't know

01:32:50

um and you've got the freedom now

01:32:53

um which you you just go off and live

01:32:56

and live in Spain for a month if you

01:32:58

wanted to you know

01:32:59

um

01:33:00

do you know anyone over there

01:33:04

I got some friends just flag my kids no

01:33:08

then you go then he realized damn I've

01:33:10

got kids

01:33:11

and then you'll be like well [ __ ] you

01:33:13

guys you're in your late teens my

01:33:14

parents abandoned me for a year when I

01:33:15

was 11. oh there you go and look I'm

01:33:17

quite frankly you know I hardly see them

01:33:18

anyway yeah you know so that's that's

01:33:21

what's interesting thing so we've done

01:33:22

this you know everyone does it

01:33:23

differently and we've chosen to a week

01:33:26

on week off kind of thing because

01:33:27

logistically I couldn't do anything less

01:33:29

complicated more complicated and it kind

01:33:31

of works pretty well but what I

01:33:33

realizing now of their ages I hardly see

01:33:34

them anyway they do their own stuff in

01:33:36

the weekend so independent they have

01:33:38

sleepovers and I'm sort of associating

01:33:39

the fact I don't see him as much as I

01:33:41

did with the breakup but nothing to do

01:33:43

with it

01:33:44

they are doing the right thing now and

01:33:46

you almost got to stay out of it you

01:33:48

know so you join them are you um are you

01:33:50

seeing anyone now are you quite happy on

01:33:52

your own at the at the stage

01:33:54

um I have been

01:33:56

um

01:33:57

that's why I'm in a confusing stage

01:34:00

yeah but I have I've certainly been

01:34:02

being seen someone who's very cool

01:34:05

um

01:34:05

but I still think I've got stuff yes

01:34:09

yeah you know

01:34:10

um which

01:34:12

probably makes me not the ideal person

01:34:15

right now but you know who knows but

01:34:18

yeah I've been lucky in that sense that

01:34:19

you know yeah sure it's good that you've

01:34:22

got the um the EQ I guess to

01:34:25

um is that a thing the emotional

01:34:27

intelligence

01:34:30

to to recognize that because I think it

01:34:32

looked like the easy thing for I think

01:34:34

especially for guys to do is just jump

01:34:35

from one end to another and you know and

01:34:38

not not actually process what's happened

01:34:40

and what they've gone through but then I

01:34:41

suppose yeah then you I suppose you've

01:34:42

got to be careful

01:34:44

um

01:34:45

of maybe not overthinking it too much

01:34:47

yeah and thinking oh [ __ ] you know I'm

01:34:50

not ready for that I'm in the team you

01:34:52

know 10 years on the track and you know

01:34:53

that that person was great or perfect

01:34:56

and you you you're in the sort of fuzz

01:34:58

of hey I'm still a victim you know I'm

01:35:00

just going through the stuff and they

01:35:02

say yeah whatever man you know

01:35:03

eventually people stop you know

01:35:05

listening hey it's not big news anymore

01:35:07

man we know you broke up you know we've

01:35:10

moved on but there's more Goss you know

01:35:13

so you've got to pull yourself apart and

01:35:16

go okay all right at what point is this

01:35:18

still you you know using that as a

01:35:22

crutch and what point are you you know

01:35:23

you got to get real again at some point

01:35:25

I suppose you know you you haven't seen

01:35:27

a therapist or anything you've quite

01:35:28

good at just processing stuff

01:35:30

um a friend a friend of mine put me on

01:35:32

to someone and I think it was because of

01:35:34

covert ended up being on like an online

01:35:36

kind of thing like a zoom call to hate

01:35:38

you know I almost need to see a

01:35:40

therapist for zooms I hate them you know

01:35:42

so seeing a therapist on Zoom was

01:35:44

actually was quite

01:35:45

yeah so and look I can't

01:35:50

I can't say how helpful it was but I

01:35:52

remember

01:35:54

telling him I'm not feeling really good

01:35:56

today really good today yeah sure yeah

01:35:58

I'm real good you've sold me it's good

01:36:00

you know I just think I wanted to get

01:36:02

off yeah right as I said a few a few

01:36:05

podcasts that can be quite sort of

01:36:08

specifically tailored

01:36:09

um to your sort of situation were quite

01:36:12

helpful so we've got the space up among

01:36:13

Ryan I found myself driving up there and

01:36:16

I'm sick of Music whatever actually I

01:36:17

couldn't listen to music for quite a

01:36:19

long time after after all this for some

01:36:21

reason so I just used to drive around

01:36:23

with the car with no music on but you

01:36:26

know no really why couldn't you listen

01:36:27

to No you think even sad songs would

01:36:30

resonate with you or yeah but after a

01:36:32

while I could and then I enjoyed it

01:36:33

again more than I did even before

01:36:35

because they got a sort of a reboot but

01:36:37

for a brief period Then I literally just

01:36:40

couldn't listen to music especially

01:36:41

Adele I'd imagine yeah Adele um

01:36:44

certainly not my own stuff I'm stuck oh

01:36:47

no one can listen to that I know

01:36:49

um and that was that was very hard to

01:36:51

listen no but uh but these podcasts are

01:36:54

quite good because my particular guy I

01:36:57

can't remember what his name was

01:36:59

um American guy you know and he is going

01:37:02

through a breakup and yet before you

01:37:04

know you listen to this guy and there's

01:37:06

different sort of modules to it I

01:37:07

thought that was pretty helpful

01:37:09

um I'm trying to think if there's

01:37:10

anything I did

01:37:12

specifically that he suggested but I was

01:37:14

just hearing someone

01:37:15

talk about

01:37:17

you you don't feel so unique oh no [ __ ]

01:37:20

this is normal you know and everyone you

01:37:21

know that's been through a breakup say

01:37:23

oh it takes time and look trust me in a

01:37:25

year and a half you'll be fine you know

01:37:27

that sort of stuff it gets easier it

01:37:28

gets easier and it does and again back

01:37:30

to mental health thing everyone has

01:37:32

stuff to deal with you know but it does

01:37:35

it will get easier oh yeah that's too

01:37:37

short let's try to write it out you know

01:37:39

one foot in front of the other and only

01:37:41

you can do it unfortunately yeah that's

01:37:43

that's the thing you know you no one

01:37:46

else can you've got to walk that walk

01:37:48

somehow and um

01:37:51

and that's always stood well you've been

01:37:53

I mean it rocks in it it's such a common

01:37:55

thing like a relationship breakdown and

01:37:57

it does rock you at the time and I feel

01:37:59

like the stuff that you went through

01:38:00

earlier in life

01:38:01

um probably set you in a good position

01:38:02

for it in terms of resilience yeah I

01:38:04

think so yeah I think I think it

01:38:05

probably has

01:38:06

um

01:38:07

uh and

01:38:09

if it hasn't well you know

01:38:12

regardless it's another experience

01:38:15

to put down with all your other

01:38:16

experiences you know it's in this one

01:38:18

not necessarily was a great experience

01:38:21

but it's an experience nonetheless so

01:38:23

you know on the the tapestry of your

01:38:25

life it's something that's an

01:38:26

interesting spot you know yeah that's a

01:38:28

like a tapestry like a mosaic it's just

01:38:30

part of the you know it's not always

01:38:32

good parts it doesn't always have to be

01:38:34

you need all that stuff and I do

01:38:36

remember though I do as you remember

01:38:38

thinking this

01:38:39

and the real peak of it that a real

01:38:41

emotional side the raw stage that week

01:38:44

after kind of stuff you know where you

01:38:45

can't sleep on that sort of stuff

01:38:47

in a strange kind of way you never felt

01:38:51

more alive

01:38:53

doesn't mean

01:38:55

you were happy but you

01:38:57

you feeling the pain

01:39:01

you felt alive and you weren't numb it's

01:39:03

like getting burned you could feel it

01:39:05

you meant [ __ ] I'm alive here you know

01:39:07

and not everything has to be a real

01:39:09

positive amazing euphoric experience to

01:39:12

feel alive it can be

01:39:15

um something as ghastly as that can

01:39:17

actually make you feel

01:39:19

not invigorated but I'm in touch with

01:39:22

emotions I suppose could you feel that

01:39:23

at the time or just on reflection at

01:39:26

out there but not I

01:39:33

did a gray guy life nothing really good

01:39:36

happening nothing really bad happening

01:39:38

just another day Monday Tuesday

01:39:39

Wednesday Thursday you know oh Years

01:39:42

Gone by New Year big party you know

01:39:44

the mundanus of life that everybody goes

01:39:47

through at some stage you know

01:39:48

um but like one day Cricket those middle

01:39:50

overs the 30 overs kind of like you know

01:39:52

come on you know a bit like that and

01:39:54

suddenly I felt [ __ ]

01:39:57

you know you're you're on fire here

01:39:59

you're someone's slapped me woking you

01:40:01

up you know you actually feel alive

01:40:04

um and then you have these hopefully

01:40:06

transfer that into more positive energy

01:40:09

I suppose it's got to start somewhere

01:40:11

yeah well thanks for being so open and

01:40:13

honest to chat about this stuff

01:40:15

how are you did you and your wife um

01:40:17

ex-wife sit down and tell the kids at

01:40:18

the same time how to kind of yeah or did

01:40:21

they like you didn't know I was coming

01:40:22

to the kids sort of Heaven in cling war

01:40:24

no I don't think so they're probably

01:40:27

time so they thought oh you guys going

01:40:28

to bring it up kind of thing you know

01:40:29

and of course we would assured no no no

01:40:31

no that's not us you know and my thing I

01:40:33

believe that too

01:40:34

um

01:40:37

sorry kids I was telling the truth I

01:40:41

think about it now she didn't say

01:40:42

anything

01:40:44

it was just me that say no no but um no

01:40:47

they they didn't I don't think they did

01:40:49

we I suppose yeah we sort of set them

01:40:51

down but and they took it remarkably

01:40:53

well

01:40:54

um and still have because it's ongoing

01:40:56

and it's not easy going from house to

01:40:57

house and you've got to put it but in

01:40:59

the end of day look we're all still here

01:41:00

and I've got a house through you know

01:41:02

we're live there's a lot of people a lot

01:41:03

worse off

01:41:04

um you know in so many ways yeah that's

01:41:08

a thing

01:41:09

um yeah there's a saying I really like

01:41:10

it that um comparison is the theft of

01:41:12

Joy but I think I'm sometimes comparing

01:41:14

Down's not a bad thing like you when

01:41:16

you're in the French jail yeah yeah oh

01:41:18

yeah those people there I mean they live

01:41:20

in their

01:41:24

um and I think it is okay to go

01:41:28

um oh [ __ ] you know you've got all these

01:41:30

people you know down cyclone in the

01:41:32

Hawks Bay and stuff and yeah it's

01:41:33

terrible you see them their whole life

01:41:35

is turned upside down so that's bad

01:41:37

enough like so I can look at that and go

01:41:39

[ __ ] you know or someone's even died and

01:41:41

go God what am I going through I'm doing

01:41:43

a podcast for Dom yeah I'm talking about

01:41:45

my life I mean it's not uh some might

01:41:47

say you've got it worse than some of the

01:41:49

people in Hawke's Bay well there you go

01:41:50

but then the people at Hawke's Bay

01:41:52

they'll say yeah but look well it is

01:41:55

what it is when there's people down the

01:41:56

road that are you know and there's

01:41:58

someone at Starship at the moment

01:41:59

whether with a kid who's you know on a

01:42:02

machined they're not know if it's going

01:42:04

to be alive in the morning so

01:42:06

there's nothing wrong

01:42:08

with saying you know what there's always

01:42:11

someone worse off yeah and even if just

01:42:13

saying it

01:42:15

um saying it can sink in I think yeah

01:42:18

yeah it does make it you know it's not

01:42:20

perfect but it does help absolutely hey

01:42:23

well thanks for being oh what what's

01:42:24

next for you uh it has um 2023 looking

01:42:26

you can do another another series of

01:42:28

Heartland you were saying more Moon TV

01:42:30

we're looking at trying to do another

01:42:31

sort of Heartland show but maybe in

01:42:32

Europe that's right talk about going to

01:42:35

Spain kind of thing but whether I

01:42:36

managed to pull it off

01:42:38

um because we get into a seasonal type

01:42:40

of thing now you want to be over there

01:42:41

kind of June July May whatever you do

01:42:43

want to go to Spain for a month well

01:42:44

yeah and instead of rushing like it in

01:42:46

the states and we filmed that in about

01:42:47

three weeks I'd rather get there and

01:42:49

maybe suss it out a bit more or whatever

01:42:51

sounds a little bit like rock star-ish I

01:42:53

don't know how I'm going to pull this

01:42:54

off but or I may just I'll certainly be

01:42:57

doing another TV show New Zealand or

01:42:58

something at some point but there's

01:42:59

plenty going on with as I say with the

01:43:01

chips and stuff like that to sort of

01:43:03

keep me busy but I'm trying to give my

01:43:05

voice a bit of a break at the moment

01:43:06

well I'm sorry sorry for doing a guitar

01:43:08

podcast but not so much that but I used

01:43:11

to a lot of public speaking and MCS and

01:43:13

stuff so I don't really do any of that

01:43:14

anymore so I would sort of you know give

01:43:18

all that sort of stuff a break which I

01:43:19

have really for quite a while anyway and

01:43:21

save it up for you know when I have to

01:43:23

do ads or TV shows because you know

01:43:25

otherwise they'll get rid of me as well

01:43:27

so right what do you mean give you oh

01:43:29

give you you don't have like Voice

01:43:30

issues it's just uh my voice never used

01:43:32

to be this croaky and sort of tight kind

01:43:35

of thing used to be quite a smooth kind

01:43:37

of voice I think it's called muscle

01:43:39

tension dysphonia so it's it's almost

01:43:41

like I'm shouting to get this voice out

01:43:43

but it doesn't hurt I don't feel like I

01:43:45

am I mean I could go back and really

01:43:47

interview that then with you perhaps

01:43:50

when you were pimping Moon TV DVDs way

01:43:53

back then and

01:43:55

a guarantee if we got the order of my

01:43:57

voice would be totally different I often

01:43:59

look at early stuff TV stuff I've got

01:44:01

the luxury of having

01:44:02

a record of your voice a lot of people

01:44:04

don't have that and I go [ __ ] but I feel

01:44:07

like losing your hair slowly people just

01:44:09

think it was always like that they don't

01:44:10

notice the sudden change you know yeah

01:44:13

um until my father said on the phone you

01:44:16

know a big night last night did your son

01:44:18

I said yes I did actually but it's

01:44:21

Tuesday dad and I'm saying I'm sad and

01:44:24

lonely and he used to annoy me because

01:44:25

he was right but at the same time

01:44:27

but he's always right but it never used

01:44:30

to be this bad and then with add a bit

01:44:32

of nerves like you know public speaking

01:44:33

trying to you know AMC hey you you know

01:44:35

it gets kind of worse and I found people

01:44:38

would know it was focusing more on the

01:44:40

sound of the voice than what I was just

01:44:42

saying and once he gets that point you

01:44:44

kind of lost them you know yeah so that

01:44:46

was really frustrating

01:44:48

um yeah anyway thanks for um coming over

01:44:50

today yeah thanks for much Anthony yeah

01:44:52

I mean I really really appreciate it it

01:44:54

seems like you're one of these guys

01:44:54

that's always sort of on like we only

01:44:56

ever see you as the comedian so to pass

01:44:59

out after this in the car

01:45:02

no shame in there as long as you're not

01:45:04

in traffic lights or something all right

01:45:06

Lehigh you're an absolute gem a New

01:45:08

Zealand gym and I'm so pleased to hear

01:45:09

you're going to be making more TV

01:45:10

because um yeah the stuff you do is

01:45:12

priceless oh thanks man I'm sorry I

01:45:14

couldn't really talk about my running

01:45:15

more but um you know it would have been

01:45:16

a short podcast oh no the stuff we've

01:45:19

talked about here's some way more

01:45:20

meaning than that it's really cool stuff

01:45:21

and I'm glad you're in a a good place

01:45:23

and onwards and upwards thanks man

01:45:25

appreciate it thank you

01:45:26

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Episode Highlights

Connection with Fans
He discusses the joy of connecting with fans in public.
“I quite like that you’re connecting.”
@ 03m 58s
May 13, 2023
A Unique Upbringing
He shares his unconventional childhood experiences living in various countries.
“I always felt like an outsider in New Zealand.”
@ 12m 35s
May 13, 2023
Resilience Through Adversity
Reflecting on a challenging upbringing that shaped resilience and perspective.
“Honestly, it was the best thing that happened to us.”
@ 17m 41s
May 13, 2023
The Bizarre Life of a Musician
Experiencing life as a musician, including a stint in immigration jail in France.
“It was like a glorified departure lounge, we just couldn’t leave.”
@ 30m 51s
May 13, 2023
The Snail Olympics
A spontaneous guest appearance led to a hilarious segment on Sports Cafe.
“I said yes... we’ll pretend you’re at the international snail trainer going to the snail Olympics.”
@ 40m 30s
May 13, 2023
Flight of the Conchords' Journey
The duo pitched their show to TVNZ, but it was turned down, leading to their BBC Radio Show and HBO success.
“They ended up turning it down, and the rest is history.”
@ 52m 52s
May 13, 2023
Monetizing Content
The speaker discusses the challenges of monetizing their extensive body of work.
“We haven't really monetized it in a way; it's a work in progress.”
@ 54m 49s
May 13, 2023
The Importance of Collaboration
The speaker reflects on their creative partnership with Jason Hoyt and the dynamics of their relationship.
“Creative partnerships are quite a common thing; we didn't really have any friction.”
@ 01h 03m 35s
May 13, 2023
The Entrepreneurial Spirit
Reflecting on the drive to take risks and start new ventures, emphasizing the importance of giving it a crack.
“It's not luck, it's give it a crack.”
@ 01h 14m 25s
May 13, 2023
Emotional Resilience
Exploring how humor and emotional expression play a role in coping with life's challenges.
“I can get emotional from their emotion.”
@ 01h 26m 01s
May 13, 2023
The Midlife Crisis Perspective
Reframing midlife crises as opportunities for growth and self-discovery.
“This is an opportunity to have a second life.”
@ 01h 32m 20s
May 13, 2023
Reflections on Voice
Discussing the changes in his voice over the years and how it affects perception.
“I feel like losing your hair slowly.”
@ 01h 44m 04s
May 13, 2023

Episode Quotes

I hate running.
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I suppose it gives you a bit of perspective.
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If you're not embarrassed by some of the stuff you've done, you've wasted your life.
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People underestimate how intense it is doing a radio show with another person.
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Every year is a minute; I'm just into the second half.
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You never felt more alive.
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Catchphrase Origin01:03
Immigration Experience28:17
Creative Control53:54
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Market Gaps1:09:55
Emotional Vulnerability1:25:31
Emotional Reflection1:26:20
Feeling Alive1:38:51

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