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Jimmy Neesham on how to stay mentally fit || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey

October 17, 2022 / 01:09:30

This episode of Runners Only features New Zealand cricket legend Jimmy Neesham discussing his experiences in cricket and running. Key topics include his cricket career highlights, the importance of running for fitness, and mental health challenges faced by athletes.

Jimmy shares memorable moments from his cricket career, including being present at significant events like the 2015 Cricket World Cup semi-final and his debut century. He reflects on the evolution of New Zealand cricket and the team's recent successes, attributing them to strong leadership and a talented player pool.

Running plays a significant role in Jimmy's life, as he discusses how he developed a routine during the lockdown and the challenges he faces due to his size. He admits to not enjoying running as much but acknowledges its benefits for his cricket performance.

The conversation touches on mental health, with Jimmy sharing his experience of stepping away from cricket and working a regular job, which helped him gain perspective and reduce pressure. He emphasizes the importance of autonomy and control in maintaining mental well-being.

Lastly, the episode features a light-hearted interaction with a young cricket fan, showcasing Jimmy's approachable nature and the impact he has on aspiring athletes.

TL;DR

Jimmy Neesham discusses his cricket career, running, and mental health challenges in this engaging episode of Runners Only.

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Runners only with dom Harvey and New

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Zealand cricketing legend Jimmy I came

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out with this nickname for you know I

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didn't know if I was gonna bring it out

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or not but I like I was doing some

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research about you Jimmy nation and

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you're familiar with the movie Forrest

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Gump yep and and he's pivotal and all

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these important Key Parts in history

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yeah like you name it Forest comes there

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and I feel like that's the same as you

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you're there right at the end of The

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Cricket World Cup final you're there

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when

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um on the other end when McCallum gets

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300 runs there's all these is important

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moments in New Zealand cricket and

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you're right there in the thick of it

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every time yep yep I was I was in the

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stadium when Grant Elliott hit his six

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in the the semi-final in 2015 I wasn't

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playing but I was uh there watching so

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um yeah I wasn't there for the Under

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Armor incident in 1980 something yeah

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most of the other ones here I've been a

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mirror they're about sport which is

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pretty cool yeah yeah but they're

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absolutely key moments like like moments

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that are going to end up on the

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underside of um beer bottle Lids there's

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trivia questions and decades to come

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yeah yeah I suppose it's um it's a

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little bit Testament to I suppose the

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level of success we've had over the last

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10 or so years

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um this was rather coincidentally since

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I started becoming involved with the

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team

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um yeah we've sort of started

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challenging for those trophies and

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um sort of you know stopped being and

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also ran and a lot of global tournaments

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and I suppose when you have those

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significant moments as a team then

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um you're obviously more likely to be

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involved as an individual why uh why is

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that why is New Zealand Cricket in such

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a rich patch at the moment what is it

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just like a lot of a lot of amazing

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players is that what it is uh to an

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extent yeah I think we had two really

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strong cycles of World Cups going

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through in in 2008 and 2010 which

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um you know you have you guys like Trent

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bolt Saudi Williamson

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um uh you know Doug bracewell myself uh

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you know any number of the guys that are

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in that kind of 30 to 32 age right now

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all sort of came through at a similar

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time and I think and when you combine

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that with you know the leadership of

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guys like Brandon McCullum and Kane and

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you know people putting the ship in the

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right direction I think

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um you're going to have some better

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results now the podcast is called

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Runners only with dom Harvey so that's

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why I've invited you here to day because

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I know I'm running some quite a big part

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of your life obviously there's some

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you're running between the wickets and

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Cricket which you're involved with and

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you do very well uh but running's a big

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part of your life as well I follow you

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on Strava you you get out there you mix

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it up yeah yeah probably uh I wouldn't

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say it's uh a deep-seated love of

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running I think it's uh it's something

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that to be honest I've always been weak

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at and crooked you know I've always been

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quite a strong

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um you know bit of a gym bunny in that

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respect and always sort of had to force

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myself to do the running side of things

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and

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um it was really kind of in the first

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lockdown

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um which is a year and a half two years

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ago now that

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um because of not having access to a

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proper gym I sort of got into running a

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bit more and

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um I suppose it's just like anything if

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you force yourself to do it enough you

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sort of get a bit better at it and

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um yeah I've tried to continue that on

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now we're sort of back into a little bit

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more normality I had no idea it was such

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a loathing for you I I thought you

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enjoyed it

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um my heart is breaking oh I'm just not

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good at it what do you mean you go all

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right like you were sort of jogging

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Paces about four minutes four minutes 40

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kilometer yeah yeah it's um I'm just too

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big you know I'm six three 100 kgs it's

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sort of you know I'm never going to have

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the natural inclination to be a quick

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runner so I sort of I go into the hood

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box as it's known in cricket so you know

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those 440s don't come easy but yeah I

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sort of get out there and yeah try and

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you know get the get the 5Ks done sort

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of anything up to 10ks and anything

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longer the

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um the road gets a bit heavy so um yeah

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I mean it's good for Cricket obviously

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being out in the field for for such long

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periods of time it's great to

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um be able to have that cardio base I

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guess and right um yeah I think it

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certainly helped me

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um I'm you know fingers crossed a

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reasonably

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um

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I suppose uh resilient body you know I

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don't get injured very often and I think

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that's definitely you know from that

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kind of base of cardio and strength do

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you think when you're finished with

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qriket it's something you'll keep you'd

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keep doing just for like Fitness or

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mental well-being or anything or no

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you're absolutely done with running as

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soon as qriket's over I think I'll be uh

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I'll be like a once a week here I reckon

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once I'm done just for that

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um you know that bass okay I can see

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myself

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um being quite strong you know going to

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the gym kind of every day kind of thing

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post Cricket but

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um running as I mentioned being so heavy

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it can be quite

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um you know weird down in your joints a

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little bit so

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um I want to get swimming a little bit

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of a go as well once I've got a bit more

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time but um yeah certainly Jim is the

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the first love and then running is you

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know something that I've you know picked

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up recently and trying to keep up with

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yeah swimming just seems like the most

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the most tedious and boring sport to

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train for you know what I mean it's so

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solo you're staring at a black line

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maybe seeing the occasional band-aid and

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that's it it's just you staring at that

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line for 30 minutes to an hour yeah I've

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got a theory that there should be two

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separate like categories of sport and

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there's the sports where you're actually

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competing against someone like rugby

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soccer Cricket

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um boxing you know those sorts of

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athletic sports and then there's sports

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that you can do with no one else around

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and sort of compete against someone

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who's in England you know and that's

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kind of swimming running those sorts of

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things where it's just you against a

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stopwatch and I think those ones where

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it's just you against a stopwatch I

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really struggle with because it's tough

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to get that competitive Instinct yes

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yeah

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um you know I'm much more a boxer or you

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know a rugby player or something like

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that where you're up against someone and

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you're you know you're throwing Jabs and

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they're dodging rather than just I'll

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try to run this 100 meters as fast as I

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can and hope that it's faster than you

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know whoever's next to me so yeah

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swimming is definitely one of those

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Sports where It'll be such a mental test

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to be in that pool you know I follow

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Sophie Pasco on on Instagram and just

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seeing what she does in the pool every

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day is oh I couldn't handle it mentally

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I don't reckon oh yeah as far as I'm a

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sport goes um when I was doing breakfast

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radio we'd get calls like at 6am from

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parents that are taking their kids that

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aren't old enough to drive to the pool

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like the training that's required and

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you think how many of those kids are end

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up going to make it to the Commonwealth

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Games or Olympics not many so the

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training that's required is just

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phenomenal you've got these kids that

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are going in the morning for a session

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maybe again in the afternoon for a

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session for hours at a time they're like

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the dedication is next level ah yeah I I

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actually dodged a bullet in um secondary

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school I got sort of roped into the

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rowing team for a week or so because

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I've got the body for for a rower sure

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and um you know I did a couple of those

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early mornings and then I think my

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parents decided that Cricket training

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after school plus rowing in the morning

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it's probably a slightly ridiculous

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schedule to be having and

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um no I dropped off it pretty quickly

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but geez yeah you're right it's I mean

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it's especially wrong when you're going

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backwards the whole time and you don't

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really know you're not even seeing where

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you're going

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I'm not sure how those guys do that and

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were you were you always sort of quite

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gifted in the sporting Department like

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growing up

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um we just naturally good at whatever

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you tried your hand at I think

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you know I sort of

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I do and I don't believe in naturally

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gifted Sportsman I think

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um you know naturally gifted Sportsman I

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believe are just people who always love

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physical activity the whole time they're

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growing up as kids and you know I sort

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of think back to you know my cousins and

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stuff at Christmas and we're always you

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know playing cops and robbers and

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running around and backyard cricket and

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all that kind of thing and and sports

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just always been you know a part of my

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life my old man was a rugby player and

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Mum was a netballer and you know they

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always encouraged me to to play as many

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sports as possible and

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um I suppose yeah when you get to the

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age of 14 or 15 people look at you and

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go wow he's gifted but there's sort of

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10 or 12 years already yeah right

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running around in the backyard you know

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and behind you and

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um yeah I certainly yeah I was yeah

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physically gifted through my teens and

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and coordinated and that kind of thing

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but I do think that sort of came from a

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heavy diet of physical stuff when I was

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growing up is it saying that um hard

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work beats Talent when talent doesn't

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work hard was there sort of like a

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natural gift though like a age group

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levels where it's like oh this this

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kid's Got Talent and we need to harness

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it see something like me and my

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crickling days um I was very [ __ ] yeah

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very [ __ ] I um it's a sport where a lot

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of people are [ __ ] yeah but I I'm um how

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old are you 31 31 I'm I'm 49 so when I

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was like 10 or 11 intermediate age

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that's when Lance Keynes Chris Ken's dad

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was like the King of New Zealand Cricket

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so I had an Excel Excalibur cricket bat

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I bowled the same way as as he did yeah

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off the wrong leg yeah kind of with

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using both hands yeah yeah it's a very

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unorthodox bowling Style and what to be

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fair wasn't very effective so it became

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um I don't know for me I I loved qriket

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more than anything but I tapped out at

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about 14 because I just couldn't deal

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with letting teammates down but I'm

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guessing that wasn't the same for you uh

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you were probably the guy on the the guy

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on my team that was sighing all the time

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at me for getting out for zero

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um yeah it's it's a tough one because I

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think I look back at those those days

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and

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um we we had a really really talented

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team like a club team back when we were

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sort of 13 14.

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um no guys that have kind of gone on to

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you know play professional Cricket or

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anything but but guys that were just we

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were really good team and guys it was a

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proper cricket team and

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um I don't see myself back then as being

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one of the the better players in that

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group you know I was decent and you know

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good enough but sort of not not kind of

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a generational Talent like guys like

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Kane Williamson and Tim salvey and stuff

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were coming through the age groups where

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you could sort of just see right this

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guy's gonna be amazing yeah

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um so I sort of came through I you know

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I don't think I

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I don't think I made the Eastern

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districts team and under 15s or under

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14s one of those age groups I didn't

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make the team so

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um you know I certainly was not the guy

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leading the pack sort of the whole way

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through but it was sort of that kind of

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17 18 19 you know age range where I

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started to put it all together and

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probably got a little bit fitter I was a

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bit of a chunky boy coming through now

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my teens and

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um and just persistence I think like a

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lot of those guys

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um you know just decided to do other

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things and you know go somewhere into

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other sports like rugby and other guys

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just sort of became more academic and I

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suppose I just persisted with the

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cricket a little bit and and it's one of

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those Journeys where it's sort of small

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gains year on year and then you turn

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back 10 years later and go you know geez

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how far have I come so

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um but you know going back to the

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original question you know I was I was

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always painful in PE class because that

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was always my favorite class of the day

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um but no I wouldn't say I was you know

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it was saying Bolt from from 16. and so

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you may

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in 2014 scored a century on debut that

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seems to happen quite a lot doesn't it

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hyper focused or you're nervous and

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you're channeling the nerves into

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something really good I mean you mean

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right it would obviously you'd have to

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do a statistical analysis when you're on

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a number of hundreds versus debutant

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hundreds but you know it does seem I

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mean even just in New Zealand at the

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moment we've got you know Kane Tom

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Blundell Devin Conway myself

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um Hamish Rutherford as well so there's

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you know there's a lot of guys that do

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seem to come in and do it but

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um well I think there's certainly an

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aspect of of

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um the unknown from other teams guys

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sort of bowl to you and they don't

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really know what you're about and

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potentially underestimate guys a little

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bit when they're making the debut and

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um you know Cricket's a funny game you

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get a bit of momentum and and things can

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sort of happen really quickly so

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um you know obviously not playing test

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Cricket anymore at the moment but

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um yeah those certainly those first two

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tests are pretty formally kind of look

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going on yeah well you played your last

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test in 2017. why is that uh is it too

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hard on the body or no you just prefer

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the shorter format uh well I was dropped

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so yeah

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um

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sorry my bad yeah it's um yeah I mean it

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was just uh one of those things really

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that

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um you know I was

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having a little bit of a lull and

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performance I actually only played 12

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tests which people you know sort of

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don't realize so you know I've sort of

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had a Roller King start in my first five

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or six test and I had a bit of a kind of

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lull in performance and actually broke

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my finger

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um a couple of days before a test in

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Christchurch

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um and ended up getting um Colin

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degromhome got picked ahead of me

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um for that test and then he got I think

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7-4 or something on debut and and

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obviously is performed unbelievably well

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since then and

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um I've sort of just never been able to

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get a look back in really I think it's

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quite a difficult situation to be in

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being a white ball International

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cricketer

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um because we play so much whiteboard

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Cricket we don't actually get the chance

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to play much four-day domestic Cricket

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so there's not that much of a chance to

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kind of force your way back into the

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team and I think we've seen that with

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guys like Martin gupdor as well over the

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last 10 years or so you know you don't

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have that opportunity to play a lot of

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photo Cricket in a row and kind of get

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the rhythm of it but

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um certainly something I haven't given

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up on yet you know I do play a lot of

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um you know T20 cricket and stuff around

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the world just basically because that's

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what's available to me at the moment but

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Susan that's where the money is as well

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so it's not a bad situation to be in

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yeah yeah certainly I'm not complaining

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yeah it's sort of it's one of those you

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know bizarre things where

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um you know I'm obviously not getting

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picked on the test team at the moment so

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I'm going and playing

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um you know t20s around the world and

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and often you know your match fee for a

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T20 and these other leagues is the same

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as a match for you for a test match you

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know for New Zealand which is played

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over five days instead of three hours so

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um you sort of watch the guys on TV you

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know slogging it away for for 500 overs

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and then go out and play a T20 and yeah

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and you guys sort of get the same

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paycheck so it's a bit of a strange way

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about a way about it that the world goes

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at the moment but

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um yeah despite that you know certainly

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I'm Keen to get involved again test

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Cricket if I can you know I'm still only

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31 so

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um got four or five years left in me and

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and certainly something I want to take

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off before I retire yeah um can you

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explain um to me and anyone else that's

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that's listening like why why is it such

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a big difference like surely from my

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perspective and I'm guessing the same as

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a lot of people that listen if you can

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Cricket is Cricket you know what I mean

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so if you can play well over 20 the

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oversle 50 overs why can't you play well

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over five days

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um

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what do you mean difference in the

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people who are good at each yeah like

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why are you being picked for all these

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other formats of the game not the not

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the tests um like I think test Cricket

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is

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um you know from a bowling skill set

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it's much more about moving the ball

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around you know having a nice scene

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position being able to swing it

00:14:51

um being able to set guys up versus T20

00:14:54

cricket which is a lot more about being

00:14:55

adaptable being able to escape batsman

00:14:58

Bowl Yorkers slow balls like variations

00:15:00

that kind of thing so from a bowling

00:15:02

perspective the skill sets can be very

00:15:03

different

00:15:05

um from a batting perspective you know

00:15:07

for me I've never been the most

00:15:09

technically sound batsman

00:15:11

um I'm powerful I can hit big sixes but

00:15:13

I sort of struggle with you know the

00:15:16

consistency of a Ford defense and being

00:15:17

like right in behind the ball and that

00:15:19

kind of thing so when you look at

00:15:21

someone like Kane Williamson who's

00:15:23

um very still at the crease very small

00:15:25

you know small movements gets into good

00:15:27

positions then you put that next to me

00:15:29

who's you know big stands with his legs

00:15:32

far apart you know big high back left

00:15:34

you know it's quite

00:15:36

um different you know technically and

00:15:37

how you find success and

00:15:39

um yeah it's one of the challenges of

00:15:41

the modern game is guys who have to

00:15:43

adapt you know you might play a series

00:15:45

against the country that's you know two

00:15:47

tests five one days and a couple of t20s

00:15:49

and you've only got two or three days to

00:15:51

actually try and you know adapt your

00:15:53

Technique in between series it can be

00:15:54

incredibly challenging and

00:15:56

um that's probably something like better

00:15:57

with a little bit you know I was also

00:15:58

very young you know I didn't really know

00:15:59

my game that well

00:16:01

um as you said 2017 I think was the last

00:16:03

2017. you know I was 26 you know so

00:16:06

you're still finding your way a little

00:16:08

bit um as a cricketer at 26 so

00:16:10

um certainly would be a chance I'd

00:16:12

relish um to get another um go up test

00:16:14

Cricket again and as a more complete

00:16:16

cricketer and as a cricketer who sort of

00:16:18

knows my game a bit more

00:16:19

yeah wouldn't you find I don't know it

00:16:21

just seems more boring like I see I see

00:16:23

you I see you on TV and you go out and

00:16:25

you smash 27 off 11 balls like in the

00:16:27

T20 semi-final then you test Cricket

00:16:30

you've got to just sit there and block

00:16:32

for hours like wouldn't you get bored

00:16:34

and just take a swing at it well the

00:16:35

thing about test Cricket is that it's

00:16:37

the most satisfying you know you sort of

00:16:39

explain well it's just it's just so hard

00:16:42

you know physically mentally it's the

00:16:44

ultimate Challenge in the sport it's

00:16:45

kind of like running an ultra marathon

00:16:47

it's it's almost just the the mental

00:16:49

aspect of getting through and

00:16:51

um yeah I mean T20 Cricket's great you

00:16:53

know you walk out you're right you walk

00:16:54

out at 27 off 11 in a semi-final and

00:16:57

um you walk off and you're in the change

00:16:59

room and and that feeling in the

00:17:00

changing room is great you know you've

00:17:02

managed to succeed for your country but

00:17:04

compare that feeling to the feeling in a

00:17:06

change room after you've you know bowled

00:17:08

24 overs on day five of a test to get a

00:17:10

victory after you know four days of Toil

00:17:13

and everyone's sore and tired and you

00:17:15

know trying to get through and and you

00:17:17

sort of look at your mates next to you

00:17:18

after after that kind of tour oil and

00:17:20

coming out on top I think you know that

00:17:22

kind of satisfaction is is sort of on a

00:17:24

different level now let's go back to

00:17:26

that um the World Cup semi-final where

00:17:28

you got 27 off 11 balls is that the one

00:17:30

where there was a clip of you that went

00:17:32

viral afterwards and everyone so so you

00:17:34

you guys won that game New Zealand won

00:17:36

that game you're playing was it England

00:17:37

uh yeah in the semi and then you met

00:17:39

Australia in the final and uh just got

00:17:41

beaten by them but in the the um there's

00:17:43

a clip that went viral and it's all you

00:17:45

New Zealand teammates like jumping

00:17:46

around fist pumping when you won the

00:17:48

game and you're just like sitting there

00:17:49

and you actually looked kind of pissed

00:17:51

off

00:17:51

um I I was a little bit yeah it was sort

00:17:54

of you know

00:17:56

having been so close to you know 2019

00:18:00

World Cup final you know I get the super

00:18:02

over you know lose

00:18:05

um you know I've been involved in a lot

00:18:06

of super overs and and been close to

00:18:08

many different you know titles and you

00:18:11

know for me it's

00:18:12

I'm not happy until you win you know

00:18:14

it's been taught

00:18:16

rather harshly to me that you know you

00:18:19

can't get ahead of yourself and you know

00:18:20

get too happy before the job's actually

00:18:22

100 finished and

00:18:24

um you know that was you know I don't

00:18:26

begrudge the the other guys on the team

00:18:28

for celebrating a victory obviously it

00:18:29

was a a ridiculous win and we probably

00:18:31

thought we'd lost it

00:18:33

um but you know I'd already turned my

00:18:36

focus to the final and you know in a few

00:18:37

days time and

00:18:39

um is that right so yeah so your mind

00:18:41

was already on the next game at that

00:18:42

point yeah yeah like immediately yeah

00:18:44

immediately even even sort of before we

00:18:47

won you know you know when we needed you

00:18:49

know four runs off you know eight balls

00:18:51

or something you know it actually it

00:18:53

actually game actually got to the point

00:18:54

where we were so far ahead of the game

00:18:56

that we pretty much couldn't lose it

00:18:58

from being so far behind that we

00:18:59

couldn't win in the space of kind of

00:19:00

three overs and a lot of that was to do

00:19:02

with you I mean you won't say this but I

00:19:04

can't a lot of it's probably to do with

00:19:05

the 27 that you got off 11 balls like

00:19:07

they made the Run rate considerably

00:19:08

easier for New Zealand from there on uh

00:19:10

yeah well I mean in that period as well

00:19:12

Daryl had a couple of sixes as well

00:19:13

while I was out there so we probably put

00:19:16

on 50 and

00:19:17

you know 15 or 18 balls or something

00:19:19

yeah yeah

00:19:21

um and and yeah it just swung and you

00:19:24

know by that point

00:19:26

um I've never been one to over celebrate

00:19:29

you know if I get wickets you're never

00:19:31

going to see me doing some of these

00:19:33

stupid celebrations where guys you know

00:19:35

do backflips and dance and oh I've come

00:19:37

on if you could do a backflip you'd do a

00:19:39

backflip I know I would this goes back

00:19:42

to being too big again

00:19:43

you know it's just not cool when you're

00:19:45

six to three hundred kicks you can't do

00:19:47

backflips or dance or anything you just

00:19:48

look like an idiot so

00:19:50

um yeah that's probably it's probably

00:19:52

born out of the jealousy of watching

00:19:53

younger or smaller more live men kind of

00:19:56

be able to do that kind of thing but you

00:19:58

know I've never been a a big screamer

00:20:00

and shouter and a fist pumper and that

00:20:02

kind of thing and

00:20:04

um I suppose it just comes back to you

00:20:05

know trying to control your emotions and

00:20:07

in a sport that can play with them a lot

00:20:09

yeah

00:20:10

um you know obviously you know three

00:20:11

days later we did lose the final so it

00:20:12

was probably pretty appropriate not to

00:20:14

have celebrated too much doesn't see me

00:20:16

after that you uh you you trade a job

00:20:18

finished I don't think so which sort of

00:20:20

um explained you know explain the way

00:20:22

you were feeling the rest of the team do

00:20:23

they they give you [ __ ] about that or

00:20:24

does anyone say anything about it I no

00:20:27

not

00:20:29

no I think one of the you know the good

00:20:30

things about our environment is that we

00:20:32

we do accept different you know points

00:20:35

of view and different personalities

00:20:36

really well we've got a couple of guys

00:20:37

in a team that would self-profess to be

00:20:40

weirdos and and it's about accepting

00:20:42

those kind of looks and

00:20:44

um you know In the Heat of battle you

00:20:45

you know things happen you say say

00:20:48

things you regret or say things that

00:20:49

sound silly and or do things or whatever

00:20:52

and you know it's part of sport where

00:20:54

guys Express themselves differently and

00:20:55

now it was never something that really

00:20:57

got brought up I'm not in front of you

00:21:00

anyway a lot of guys were talking [ __ ]

00:21:02

and the um so the the 2019 finals so um

00:21:05

that was I remember this this is so

00:21:07

funny I remember being in Istanbul at

00:21:08

the time with with my mate Andy and we

00:21:11

were we were watching it on on my iPhone

00:21:12

and then my battery died and we were

00:21:14

watching it on his and then as his

00:21:15

Partners we even contemplated that

00:21:17

morning like flying back to back to

00:21:18

England for the for the game it was like

00:21:20

that exciting what was it like being

00:21:22

there and do you have any idea like what

00:21:24

would what would happen what the process

00:21:25

would be if it was a draw at the end of

00:21:27

the game did you were you aware of all

00:21:28

that stuff yeah yeah well the funny

00:21:31

thing that no one knows but I always

00:21:33

bring up is that I'd actually won a

00:21:36

Super over on Boundary count back before

00:21:37

and uh yeah by the way see a lot of

00:21:40

people who won't remember what we're

00:21:41

talking about do you just want to

00:21:42

explain the uh yeah what happened so we

00:21:45

we basically one day World Cup final

00:21:48

um ends up being a tie which means both

00:21:50

teams score the same number runs uh I'll

00:21:52

go to a super over which is kind of like

00:21:54

the tiebreaker like a penalty shootout

00:21:56

um and that was tied and then it ended

00:21:59

up being we lost England one on count

00:22:01

back which is basically who had the most

00:22:04

boundaries during the game

00:22:06

um which is a completely fast cool way

00:22:07

to do it and stupid makes no relevance

00:22:09

to who's played better whatsoever

00:22:12

um but was the rules

00:22:15

um so yeah I'd won a T20 uh atario volts

00:22:19

versus highveld lions in 2013.

00:22:22

um exactly the same super over I was

00:22:24

bowling

00:22:25

um in fact exactly the same run out last

00:22:27

ball you know to to win the game

00:22:30

um so I knew we knew like we hadn't

00:22:32

talked about it beforehand but once it

00:22:34

was a super over and once they'd got 16

00:22:36

or whatever it was 15.

00:22:39

um we talked about it in the shares

00:22:40

going out that we needed to beat their

00:22:42

score we couldn't it wasn't good enough

00:22:43

to tie it

00:22:45

um so there was no we knew that we

00:22:46

needed to beat it

00:22:48

um and we and we couldn't

00:22:50

um got close but not quite

00:22:52

um and yeah I mean it's

00:22:55

yeah it's something you I don't think he

00:22:58

ever really accept a little bit you know

00:22:59

I still sometimes just sit there and

00:23:01

think about the super over and you know

00:23:04

what different decisions I could have

00:23:05

made during the Super over is that right

00:23:07

it still plays through your mind yeah

00:23:08

definitely definitely I'd say so what

00:23:10

was that three years coming up three

00:23:11

years like two and a half three years

00:23:12

yeah July 2019 so I actually I had um

00:23:15

Shane Cameron on the podcast the boxer

00:23:17

and he told me do you remember his fight

00:23:19

with David tour the fight of the century

00:23:20

he told me it took him about 10 years to

00:23:23

get over there yeah 10 years yeah well I

00:23:25

mean do you think you you'll be over

00:23:27

this 2019 game within 10 years uh I

00:23:30

think I've got a chance yeah I think

00:23:32

yeah I think I'm at two now what two and

00:23:36

a half

00:23:37

uh and I can talk about it yeah so yeah

00:23:41

I think yeah surely seven seven more

00:23:44

years can be over it yeah

00:23:46

um but yeah it's one of those things I

00:23:48

think

00:23:50

when you're in control

00:23:52

you know when you

00:23:54

you know something happens or a you know

00:23:57

someone plays a great Innings against

00:23:58

you or whatever you can kind of accept

00:24:00

it a little bit more like I can accept

00:24:01

the the T20 World Cup final loss in

00:24:04

2021. I can accept that I've got no

00:24:06

problem with it whatsoever because Mitch

00:24:07

Marsh came out better well that's part

00:24:09

of sport guys play well sure but when

00:24:11

you you have just such freakish bad luck

00:24:15

seemingly repeatedly

00:24:18

to almost conspire for you not to win

00:24:21

the game then that's probably a little

00:24:22

bit harder to take I think especially

00:24:24

when you're involved

00:24:26

um specifically yourself are involved in

00:24:29

the final throws of it yeah you and

00:24:31

Gabby right at the end right Madam yeah

00:24:32

yeah and it's sort of

00:24:34

and Cricket too where it's just such a

00:24:36

freak sport where you can make good

00:24:39

decisions and have bad outcomes you can

00:24:40

make terrible decisions and have good

00:24:42

outcomes there's no you know Rhyme or

00:24:44

Reason to at least in small sample sizes

00:24:47

why people are successful and some

00:24:49

people aren't

00:24:51

um so yeah you certainly play through

00:24:52

especially the last couple of balls

00:24:55

um and sort of think about different

00:24:56

options but I think

00:24:58

yeah it's one of those things that takes

00:25:00

a while to unpack yeah yeah I mean it

00:25:03

was such an extraordinary game though

00:25:04

you know you you were involved with that

00:25:06

so I suppose um you know as I mentioned

00:25:08

before like you're involved in this game

00:25:10

that it's gonna you go down in history

00:25:12

books might even in future tournaments

00:25:14

could rewrite the rules potentially oh I

00:25:16

mean the rules I think are Rewritten oh

00:25:18

is that right yeah since then yeah I

00:25:19

think they've changed it now where you

00:25:21

just go super overs over and over again

00:25:23

until someone well it makes way more

00:25:25

sense we're actually wins yeah that was

00:25:26

my argument at the time it was like no

00:25:28

one's going home

00:25:29

how's the World Cup final a super over

00:25:31

that is tied it's whatever time it was

00:25:33

in London 7 30 or something in the

00:25:35

evening there are lights at the ground

00:25:36

you know no one's going oh I said I'd be

00:25:39

home for dinner at eight you know and

00:25:41

leaving the ground yeah it's kind of

00:25:43

like people have got another 10 minutes

00:25:44

for the guys to come out again do

00:25:46

another Super over it so yeah I thought

00:25:48

it was a bit faster at the time that it

00:25:50

wasn't that but I mean you can't

00:25:51

complain because I mean they didn't make

00:25:53

the rule up on the spot during the game

00:25:55

it was there in the in the rule book

00:25:56

beforehand and you can take that on the

00:25:58

chin and sort of move on what was it

00:26:00

like in the dressing room after that did

00:26:01

you cry

00:26:02

yep yeah did you yep yeah yeah it was

00:26:06

pretty it was like a morgue yeah it was

00:26:07

Everyone crying I mean even emotions in

00:26:10

different ways I guess I think I think

00:26:13

the overwhelming emotion was disbelief I

00:26:16

I no there wasn't much anger it was just

00:26:19

kind of

00:26:20

you know

00:26:21

I mean I was disappointed because I felt

00:26:23

like I'd let the rest of the team down I

00:26:24

think

00:26:26

um guppy was obviously you know pretty

00:26:28

devastated having had

00:26:30

you know I suppose a challenging World

00:26:32

Cup you know in total and then to have

00:26:35

that to kind of put the icing on the

00:26:36

cake was pretty pretty cruel

00:26:39

um uh yeah and disbelief overall you

00:26:43

know just silence for

00:26:45

what felt like 20 minutes until you know

00:26:48

guys came back in Kane obviously came

00:26:50

back in from the media and all that kind

00:26:51

of thing and

00:26:53

um you know it was

00:26:56

kind of surreal I think guys were it

00:26:57

just couldn't quite fathom what had

00:26:59

happened

00:27:01

um

00:27:01

because I mean we'd won the game really

00:27:03

I think

00:27:04

England needed 16 from

00:27:07

3 or 16 from four or something you know

00:27:09

it's sort of

00:27:10

it was pretty much over and then you

00:27:13

know to have it kind of taken out of

00:27:14

your grass like that when a lot of the

00:27:15

guys had no control over anything a lot

00:27:17

of the guys wouldn't have touched the

00:27:18

ball for the last half an hour yeah you

00:27:20

know so you sort of you're almost a

00:27:22

spectator at that point and

00:27:24

um yeah to go through that it's a sort

00:27:27

of two-month tournament from start to

00:27:29

finish and then have it finished like

00:27:30

that and yeah I definitely just believe

00:27:32

all right you must have felt the love

00:27:33

and support from New Zealand though like

00:27:34

it was it was it was massive yeah yeah

00:27:37

well I didn't actually come home for a

00:27:38

while so it was sort of it was funny I

00:27:42

went to stayed in London for a couple of

00:27:43

days and basically got pissed the whole

00:27:46

time

00:27:47

um and then I went to take a train up to

00:27:50

Liverpool I went to see one of my

00:27:51

friends

00:27:53

um old friend from otago and stay with

00:27:54

them for a couple of days and and I went

00:27:56

to London Houston Station and there was

00:27:59

a gigantic banner I got my ticket

00:28:02

and I went to go to the um it's kind of

00:28:04

the platform that has all the platforms

00:28:06

and where you need to go and that kind

00:28:07

of thing and I was looking up at it and

00:28:09

this gigantic it would have been

00:28:11

30 meters by 15 meter electronic

00:28:14

billboard popped up of England lifting

00:28:16

the trophy and all the fireworks going

00:28:17

off and everything and I was looking

00:28:18

after it and I was just slow

00:28:21

[Laughter]

00:28:27

got on the train and you know got up

00:28:30

there it would have been good now if I

00:28:31

could have had a mask on I know I would

00:28:32

have that I would have seen but everyone

00:28:34

said looking at me I had my black cat's

00:28:36

bag and everything and it was just like

00:28:37

[ __ ] hell and everyone's coming out

00:28:40

oh you guys are so unlucky and you know

00:28:42

you sort of go you just want to go and

00:28:43

climb into a hole and yeah yeah and hope

00:28:46

that everyone forgets but

00:28:47

um luckily I had I actually went to the

00:28:49

uh Toronto for the global T20 a T20

00:28:53

franchise tournament that was there and

00:28:55

um Toronto was the perfect place to be

00:28:57

because no one gave a [ __ ] about the

00:28:58

World Cup you know oh you know anyone

00:28:59

would even know really how quick it is

00:29:01

exactly and all the other cricketers

00:29:02

that were there knew not to say anything

00:29:06

yeah out of respect not a word was

00:29:09

spoken about it the whole tournament

00:29:10

because everyone was there I think on

00:29:11

the first night a couple of guys were

00:29:12

like what how like what are you how are

00:29:14

you coping and then I was kind of like

00:29:16

right this is the last time we talked

00:29:18

about this for the next two weeks and

00:29:19

then from then on it was just basically

00:29:21

go to the ground play a bit of hidden

00:29:23

gig or have a slog then go into Toronto

00:29:25

and have a few beers and and sort of

00:29:27

spend a fortnight basically trying to

00:29:29

um forget about it

00:29:31

um and then you know I came home after

00:29:32

that and by that point it would it sort

00:29:34

of

00:29:35

uh died down a little bit yeah oh the

00:29:38

whole the whole nation felt for you guys

00:29:39

so you and Martin Capital being there at

00:29:41

the end going through something like

00:29:42

that together that's got to create you

00:29:44

know some sort of bond that sort of you

00:29:46

know connects you guys in a deeper sort

00:29:48

of way for Life surely yeah well we were

00:29:50

close already yeah you know we played

00:29:51

for the same career Club in Auckland you

00:29:53

know way back in in 2007 eight you know

00:29:56

when I was coming out of school and

00:29:59

um you know we've been to obviously any

00:30:01

number of social events together over

00:30:03

that period of time knowing a lot of the

00:30:04

same people and

00:30:06

um yeah I actually said before we went

00:30:07

after the Super over you know how cool

00:30:09

was it that we've come you know full

00:30:10

circle from you know I remember you know

00:30:13

when he got picked for New Zealand you

00:30:15

know way back in in 2007 or 2008 and and

00:30:19

he he got 100 on debut as well actually

00:30:20

in an ODI against West Indies and

00:30:23

um you know being so in awe of him then

00:30:26

you know because I was

00:30:28

you know two or three years younger than

00:30:29

him and just come out of school and he

00:30:31

was 21 22 and playing for New Zealand

00:30:33

and

00:30:34

um you know looking up to my life and

00:30:36

then sort of coming full circle he

00:30:37

obviously stayed in Auckland I had to go

00:30:39

away to

00:30:40

um make my career and and just sort of

00:30:42

come full circle around and be out there

00:30:44

together it was pretty cool moments and

00:30:47

um Yeah you sort of

00:30:49

you find or try to find ways to to

00:30:51

comfort someone like that when something

00:30:52

like that happens but I think

00:30:55

um there's not a lot you can say in

00:30:56

those situations just got to give guys

00:30:57

space for

00:30:59

20 or so years and

00:31:01

10 years according to Shane Cameron yeah

00:31:03

I suppose that's the difference with um

00:31:05

like the Shane Cameron thing continues

00:31:07

to get over the tour fight and and you

00:31:08

guys like boxing is um you know there's

00:31:11

nowhere to hide like he got a hiding in

00:31:13

that fight

00:31:14

um and it's a solo sport as well I

00:31:16

suppose at least you you guys have got

00:31:17

each other what's the situation like

00:31:19

that I think it's uh it can be a really

00:31:22

good thing it can also be a really bad

00:31:24

thing because depending on how strong

00:31:26

your culture is

00:31:28

um it's very easy to for people to blame

00:31:30

other people when things like that go

00:31:31

wrong and boxing you know you unless

00:31:34

you're going to blame your trainer or

00:31:35

something like that you know at the end

00:31:36

of the day it's you out there and if you

00:31:38

get punched in the face it's because

00:31:39

your hand was too low or whatever 100

00:31:40

and Cricket you know it'll be totally

00:31:43

justified for

00:31:45

people in the black caps team to blame

00:31:47

you know me or gappy or or whoever you

00:31:51

know didn't win the game even not who

00:31:54

lost the game who didn't you know do so

00:31:56

oh you could never do then do you mean

00:31:58

like um like sports commentators or

00:32:00

Media or not your teammates surely well

00:32:03

I think you know I've been in cricket

00:32:04

teams in the past where you know the

00:32:06

batteries and Bowlers have had a rift

00:32:07

you know you you're losing games and

00:32:10

guys are going you know we we can't Bowl

00:32:13

to subpar totals every game and expect

00:32:15

to win right and all this kind of thing

00:32:17

and you know because guys get dropped

00:32:19

and you know sometimes not based off

00:32:21

their own fault because of team

00:32:23

performance isn't

00:32:24

um I've certainly been in cultures in

00:32:25

the past where people play the blame

00:32:27

game and you know point fingers other

00:32:30

people for their failings and that kind

00:32:31

of thing but I think that was probably

00:32:33

um incredibly fortunate that we had such

00:32:35

a strong culture and the team through

00:32:37

that World Cup where you know it was

00:32:38

never really even mentioned by anyone

00:32:41

you know that

00:32:43

um you know people could have done

00:32:44

things differently or you know whatever

00:32:46

it was just kind of like we're in this

00:32:47

together one and all in and you know the

00:32:50

result was obviously pretty [ __ ] but you

00:32:51

know it was a result that we all you

00:32:53

know took on the churn actually I never

00:32:55

really thought of it that way but I

00:32:56

suppose um like Cricket's one of those

00:32:57

things even though it is a team sport

00:32:58

there is a whole lot of individuals

00:33:00

within that team sport in terms of like

00:33:02

stats and records and whatnot yeah so I

00:33:05

suppose the even though it is a team

00:33:06

sport I suppose you still have people

00:33:07

playing an individual game to a certain

00:33:09

degree and the reality is there's

00:33:12

it would be

00:33:14

especially in domestic Cricket or

00:33:17

um you know leading up to IPL options

00:33:19

and all these sorts of things that

00:33:21

people have individual goals you know

00:33:23

you want to get picked for New Zealand

00:33:24

you want to play as many tests as you

00:33:26

can you want to go for half a million

00:33:28

dollars in the IPL or you know whatever

00:33:29

so there's actually

00:33:31

very logical Justified reasons to be

00:33:33

very selfish in a qriket team you know

00:33:35

because people look at guys records and

00:33:37

what they average and that kind of thing

00:33:39

but I think the thing is around you know

00:33:41

domestic Cricket especially

00:33:43

other cricketers can tell you know you

00:33:46

you play other teams and you know who in

00:33:48

that team is a bit selfish and you know

00:33:50

will play for themselves and you know

00:33:52

we'll get to the end of a one day and

00:33:53

instead of trying to hit a six they'll

00:33:55

just go oh and they'll hit one on the

00:33:56

ground and get not out and you know help

00:33:58

their average and guys who won't run at

00:34:01

the end of a T20 because they don't want

00:34:02

to get run out and you know these all

00:34:04

these little moments and Cricket where

00:34:05

you can tell you know if guys are

00:34:07

actually in in it for the team run it

00:34:08

for themselves and

00:34:10

um are those are those people sort of

00:34:11

frowned upon

00:34:13

yeah absolutely sometimes they they get

00:34:15

a talking to right by who like Captain

00:34:18

coach oh senior players in the team

00:34:19

right you know whatever we've got a a

00:34:22

culture New Zealand Cricket where

00:34:24

it's not really like steady would never

00:34:26

tell anyone off for who's did he uh Gary

00:34:28

stead the coach he wouldn't you know

00:34:30

pull someone aside and it would be much

00:34:33

more a player lead thing right you know

00:34:35

um I mean I've had it happen to me you

00:34:37

know it's sort of have you yeah where I

00:34:40

remember we were playing at one dayer

00:34:41

and

00:34:42

um I can't remember where it was but I

00:34:45

was bowling and someone did a [ __ ] piece

00:34:48

of fielding and I kind of blew up with

00:34:50

them and you know I was frustrated and

00:34:52

but you're a competitive guy oh cause

00:34:54

you're an infinitive guy you're in an

00:34:55

environment where you know you it's a

00:34:57

high pressure environment and

00:34:58

it wasn't even that bad you know it was

00:35:00

kind of like oh for [ __ ] sake or

00:35:01

something you know

00:35:03

um you are the guy you're the reason why

00:35:05

I stopped playing Cricket yeah exactly

00:35:07

but you know just out of frustration you

00:35:09

know of course and um and Tim Sally

00:35:12

actually pulled me aside after the game

00:35:13

he's been running a little bit longer

00:35:15

than you yeah so he's a senior member of

00:35:17

the team and he just sort of reminded me

00:35:19

like that's you know not how we go about

00:35:21

things on this team and you know

00:35:22

everyone's trying their hardest and you

00:35:24

know blah blah blah

00:35:25

sort of like and and I was 100 correct

00:35:28

yeah and you sort of taped on the chin

00:35:29

and probably didn't like it at the time

00:35:31

and probably went back to my room and

00:35:32

went off [ __ ] picking on me whatever

00:35:34

but you sort of have some time yourself

00:35:36

to think about it and you sort of go

00:35:37

well it's probably Justified you know

00:35:38

and and I think it's important that you

00:35:40

have a culture where guys can call each

00:35:42

other out and yeah and you know you can

00:35:44

take it on the chin and realize that

00:35:46

it's about making the team better and

00:35:47

and moving forward as a group rather

00:35:49

than sort of being picked on or being

00:35:51

singled out or yeah or whatever like

00:35:52

that God you guys really are the nice

00:35:54

guys of uh world cricket aren't you

00:35:56

about the New Zealand team you've been

00:35:57

called that before I know on the world

00:35:59

stage but you really are it seems like

00:36:02

it's such a respectful and polite

00:36:03

environment yeah I

00:36:07

you know

00:36:08

you can't I think a lot of other

00:36:10

International teams have the depth of

00:36:12

player

00:36:13

to sort of just flick guys out you know

00:36:16

if they're if they're not gelling in the

00:36:18

team and you know if they're a good

00:36:19

enough player they'll just keep playing

00:36:20

because you know you know they have

00:36:22

enough people that if people disagree

00:36:24

they can just drop one of them and all

00:36:25

that kind of thing because they're such

00:36:26

a big player base where I think in New

00:36:28

Zealand there's

00:36:29

I think it's 15 times six there's only

00:36:31

90 other cricketers outside the black

00:36:34

caps to choose from you know whereas

00:36:35

India have

00:36:36

500 of the Australia have however many

00:36:39

in great crickets so you actually need

00:36:41

to Value the individuals and actually

00:36:43

get everyone working together as a group

00:36:44

because there's actually not you know

00:36:46

three more Trend bolts in domestic

00:36:48

Cricket there's not two more Kane

00:36:49

Williamson's you know it's sort of like

00:36:51

the guys you got who are the the top

00:36:53

Echelon of talent are kind of the only

00:36:54

ones you've got yeah right

00:36:56

um which are starting to change a little

00:36:57

bit recently we're getting a little bit

00:36:58

more depth with kind of a teams and that

00:37:00

kind of thing but

00:37:02

um it's certainly been a challenge in

00:37:03

the past with New Zealand Cricket is

00:37:04

just a lack of numbers now we are we're

00:37:06

recording this on the day of the IPL

00:37:09

auction so um you you woke up this

00:37:11

morning to news that um you were picked

00:37:14

up at the auction for how much

00:37:16

uh one point uh 150 lakh which is about

00:37:20

300 000 New Zealand right is that

00:37:22

exciting is that exciting to wake up to

00:37:24

or is it like oh cool and then just on

00:37:25

with your day I think it depends on on

00:37:27

what part of your career I remember

00:37:28

getting picked up when I was 23 or 24

00:37:32

the first time and it was like the best

00:37:34

day of my life

00:37:36

um and now I'm a little bit older and

00:37:37

you know a little bit wiser and

00:37:40

um you know I've been through that

00:37:41

ringer a few times it's much more the

00:37:43

latter you know you sort of okay cool

00:37:44

now I know what I'm doing in in April

00:37:46

and May and you know the money is is

00:37:49

sort of it's nice obviously

00:37:51

um but it's sort of secondary to

00:37:53

um trying to be involved in a unit that

00:37:55

does well and and sort of the experience

00:37:57

of India and playing Cricket at the

00:37:59

highest level and that kind of thing and

00:38:01

um yeah it's something I'm 31 now so I

00:38:04

probably don't have that many cycles

00:38:05

left in me so it's always nice to to get

00:38:07

one more under the belt yeah so were you

00:38:09

do you think you were selected because

00:38:11

of that um that uh World Cup semi that

00:38:13

we talked about before you got 27 off

00:38:15

11. that can't have done you any harm

00:38:16

right because they love the big hitters

00:38:17

yeah well I mean

00:38:20

you'd hope that you know Scouts of those

00:38:22

sorts of teams are a little bit more

00:38:24

um intelligent than picking teams off

00:38:26

one Innings but

00:38:28

um yeah look I mean I had I played at

00:38:30

Mumbai last year in the IPL and and had

00:38:32

a pretty good tournament you know with

00:38:34

the ball I didn't score runs but I got

00:38:35

quite a few wickets and

00:38:38

um yeah I think by now at 31 I've sort

00:38:40

of shown my we as an international

00:38:41

cricket over a number of years and

00:38:44

um you know they're not they're not

00:38:45

stupid those IPL teams there's a lot of

00:38:46

money involved a lot of analytics and

00:38:48

that kind of thing so I'm sure there

00:38:49

would have been a lot of match-up talk

00:38:50

going into it and um

00:38:53

yeah just really excited to play with

00:38:54

some of the world's best players Josh

00:38:55

Butler's in the team

00:38:57

um Trent bolt who I played with last

00:38:58

year has come over to Rajasthan as well

00:39:00

and

00:39:01

um you know Sandra Sampson's an

00:39:02

unbelievable Indian you know youngster

00:39:04

who's sort of making his way and it's

00:39:06

sort of a a real privilege to to be able

00:39:08

to work in an environment like that

00:39:09

where you know last year I got to you

00:39:12

know train in front of mahalajara

00:39:14

wardner and Zahir Khan and you know

00:39:16

Legends of the game and and this year

00:39:19

ago Kumar sangakara is the coach you

00:39:21

know there's some of the guys who've

00:39:22

been literally the best players in the

00:39:24

history of the game and you can sit

00:39:25

there for two months and then pick their

00:39:27

brains and figure out how to get better

00:39:28

and do your depict their brains yeah

00:39:31

definitely do you know would you not see

00:39:33

yourself as a peer to those people no

00:39:35

God no no really why not who am I saying

00:39:38

akara scored about 40 test hundreds and

00:39:40

you know average 50 something you know

00:39:43

he's he is one of the the greats of the

00:39:45

in the history of the game and

00:39:47

um no I wouldn't see myself as appear to

00:39:49

him at all either a knowledge or an

00:39:50

ability I think

00:39:52

um you know I'm I'm good I'm good in

00:39:55

this era of the game you know I hold my

00:39:56

own but when you compare to you know

00:39:58

guys like saying a car and

00:40:00

and Shane Bond and these guys that have

00:40:03

been you know true greats you know you

00:40:07

can only sit there and listen and

00:40:08

section 10 Docker was in our Management

00:40:10

Group last year wow to sit there and you

00:40:13

know have a share a bottle of red with

00:40:15

Saturn and talk about playing spin and

00:40:17

you know that kind of thing you just sit

00:40:19

there and you just sort of just hang off

00:40:21

every word you just try and get them

00:40:22

talking as long as possible you know you

00:40:23

sort of looking at your watch going [ __ ]

00:40:25

it's two o'clock in the morning how am I

00:40:26

gonna and he's going oh you want to be

00:40:27

light on your feet and go forward and

00:40:29

back and that kind of thing and you sort

00:40:30

of just go oh like what about if it's

00:40:32

doing this and you sort of sit back and

00:40:34

they just talk for another 15 minutes

00:40:35

and you sort of see them the whole time

00:40:36

the shame is you don't remember any of

00:40:38

it the next day because of the wine yeah

00:40:40

but you try and pick up things on the

00:40:42

Nets and work on things and

00:40:45

um I suppose the biggest value is just

00:40:46

finding out these guys are all human you

00:40:48

know they all have their own you know

00:40:49

self-doubts and times and their careers

00:40:51

when they were struggling and actually

00:40:53

talking through it with them and

00:40:55

um realizing that you know you're not

00:40:57

alone you're not you know unusual person

00:40:59

if you're going through these self-doubt

00:41:01

moments and you know struggling in your

00:41:02

career and stuff which is always you

00:41:04

know pretty cool to to experience that

00:41:06

oh yeah yeah um speaking of that What's

00:41:08

um what's your mental health like you

00:41:10

used to like quite a quite a stoic and

00:41:12

resilient guy but I'm guessing Cricket's

00:41:14

one of those things it does have the

00:41:15

potential as far as Sports go to sort of

00:41:17

[ __ ] with your head a little bit oh yeah

00:41:18

it beats you up big time I think

00:41:22

um you know I've had struggles in the

00:41:23

past you know I actually had a period of

00:41:24

time out of the game and in 2018 and and

00:41:27

sort of went back into you know the real

00:41:29

world and got a real job and uh what'd

00:41:32

you do uh I was the communications

00:41:34

assistant for uh agritech company so

00:41:36

that's random yeah oh my um my partner's

00:41:40

brother

00:41:41

um was high up in the in the management

00:41:43

for the company and they needed some

00:41:44

just another pair of hands to

00:41:47

um do some [ __ ] and

00:41:48

um I just was there for four or five

00:41:50

months and and I actually really enjoyed

00:41:51

it you know that's what it actually did

00:41:53

for me was it actually removed the fear

00:41:55

of cricket not working out you know you

00:41:58

know I'd always been a cricketer from

00:42:00

you know I left school and went straight

00:42:02

into the alternators changing room as a

00:42:04

you know a first year rookie and I'd

00:42:07

never really experienced a real job

00:42:09

and I'd always sort of had the fear of

00:42:11

you know what if Craig doesn't work out

00:42:12

and I get dropped and you know I have to

00:42:14

make my way into the real world and then

00:42:16

doing that for five months I actually

00:42:18

realized that should I'll be fine you

00:42:20

know yeah you'll always find something

00:42:21

of course and it's sort of and then when

00:42:23

I got back into crooked they removed

00:42:25

that fear of failure and you know I kind

00:42:26

of really need to make this work and

00:42:28

probably took a bit of a weight off my

00:42:30

shoulders and allowed me just to you

00:42:32

know focus on on what's important which

00:42:34

is watching the ball and trying to score

00:42:36

runs yeah so so what do you what do you

00:42:38

do to make sure your mental health is

00:42:39

where it should be like yeah there's

00:42:42

some triggers or do you know if um

00:42:43

things are going off balance

00:42:45

um

00:42:46

yeah I mean for me it's about autonomy

00:42:49

it's about having control over my

00:42:50

day-to-day life

00:42:52

um being able to make decisions like I

00:42:54

think something that I've been really

00:42:55

challenged by with having to be in

00:42:57

bubbles a lot

00:42:58

um is that lack of control over your

00:43:00

life and

00:43:01

um you know I'm I've always been a guy

00:43:03

it's funny I I absolutely despise doing

00:43:08

going to the gym in the team gym window

00:43:10

like I hate being in there with other

00:43:11

people all the time and like for me like

00:43:14

exercise is is a chance to escape and be

00:43:16

by yourself and

00:43:18

um so a lot of people have sort of said

00:43:20

oh you don't gym much and it's like well

00:43:22

I know I gym a lot I just don't gym much

00:43:24

when you're Jimmy yeah that's good if

00:43:27

the gym one knows 10 to 12 I'll go at

00:43:29

three o'clock in the afternoon yeah

00:43:30

right

00:43:31

so I need to have that control over my

00:43:33

own movements and

00:43:35

um so I'm fine when I'm back in Auckland

00:43:37

generally when I've you know when I'm at

00:43:39

home and got my car and can train when I

00:43:41

want and run when I want and that kind

00:43:42

of thing I'm good uh it's just

00:43:44

challenging on tour with bubbles and

00:43:46

stuff to to try and find that autonomy

00:43:48

and

00:43:49

um yeah I mean it's it's challenging I'm

00:43:52

probably one of them one of the guys

00:43:53

that struggles the most in that kind of

00:43:55

environment yeah um but I think it's you

00:43:57

know about being aware of

00:44:00

um how long you've been away for what

00:44:01

what kind of teams you want to sign up

00:44:02

for what kind of period of time you're

00:44:04

going to be away from home and and sort

00:44:05

of identifying areas where you might be

00:44:07

battling oh you're a dog guy I'm a dog

00:44:09

guy as well God you must miss your dog

00:44:11

when you when you go away yeah who who

00:44:13

looks after your dog yeah I got my

00:44:15

fiance Alex is at home and she's does

00:44:17

Kanye's sleep underneath me

00:44:20

um yeah so she does the heavy lifting

00:44:21

from there I mean he's pretty good he's

00:44:23

very low maintenance take him out for a

00:44:24

walk in the morning and he's pretty

00:44:25

chill the rest of the day so

00:44:27

um he's pretty good with that but yeah

00:44:29

it's it's not a lifestyle that lends

00:44:31

itself to

00:44:32

to pet ownership okay so how long are

00:44:34

you away for what do you reckon on an

00:44:35

average year how many months

00:44:38

um our last year was was bad last year I

00:44:41

left

00:44:42

uh at the very end of March and I got

00:44:44

out of miq on the first of December

00:44:48

so it was that's pretty much the entire

00:44:51

year yeah so and you've also got to

00:44:53

think you know when I'm home you know

00:44:55

that January to March period would have

00:44:57

been playing you know in different parts

00:44:58

of the country so even when you're home

00:45:00

you're not you know home home for the

00:45:02

for the majority so

00:45:04

um you're playing games down in Dunedin

00:45:05

and Christchurch and Wellington and

00:45:06

stuff

00:45:08

um

00:45:08

and it can be extremely challenging but

00:45:10

I think the the thing we focus on is

00:45:11

that it's short term you know yeah it's

00:45:13

in terms of in terms of your your life

00:45:15

in terms of my career yeah it'll be

00:45:18

it'll be another four years probably

00:45:21

at the most

00:45:22

um and then after that you know

00:45:24

hopefully you've you know built up a

00:45:26

enough of a nest egg behind you to to

00:45:28

sort of not ever have to do any of that

00:45:30

kind of thing again and

00:45:32

um yeah that's kind of one of my main

00:45:34

goals at the moment is

00:45:36

um to to get that Financial I suppose

00:45:39

um clout behind me to to be the dad that

00:45:41

drops his kids off and picks them up and

00:45:43

doesn't have to yeah has that

00:45:44

flexibility thing yeah yeah are you on

00:45:46

track the IPL money must help yeah it

00:45:49

does that extra 300 every every year or

00:45:52

so yeah it does

00:45:53

um help boost things but yeah I think

00:45:55

I'm not a you know a flashy guy I don't

00:45:57

own a Rolex you know or have a you know

00:46:00

Beamer or anything like that I'm pretty

00:46:01

happy with my Mazda and my Garmin so you

00:46:03

know it doesn't take a lot um so yeah on

00:46:06

track for the the skinny version at the

00:46:08

moment and then we'll see how the next

00:46:09

few years ago yeah but I think I think

00:46:11

that's the key to happiness so just

00:46:12

wanting less rather than wanting more I

00:46:14

really do absolutely and I think

00:46:17

um you know obviously it's an incredibly

00:46:18

challenging environment at the moment

00:46:19

financially for a lot of people in New

00:46:21

Zealand with you know house prices and

00:46:23

that kind of thing and

00:46:25

um you know I obviously have a lot of

00:46:27

friends who aren't cricketers who are

00:46:29

kind of

00:46:30

um Engineers or teachers and that kind

00:46:32

of thing and it's sort of for me you

00:46:34

know Ram's home you know how privileged

00:46:36

we are to to be able to earn what we can

00:46:39

um while we can see a lot of people you

00:46:42

know the IPL auction there's

00:46:44

um you know some stinking players went

00:46:46

for kind of a million plus so who's

00:46:48

thinking isn't no good yeah really so

00:46:51

useless you sort of sit there and

00:46:53

probably how does that happen uh we were

00:46:55

talking before and you said you know the

00:46:57

the the the the teams aren't dumb so

00:46:59

that they wouldn't just pick you on that

00:47:00

one performance how does a stinking

00:47:02

player go for a mill uh well it just

00:47:05

comes down to what the teams need you

00:47:06

know a lot of the time

00:47:09

um

00:47:10

you know the the more desirable players

00:47:13

and this is not a rule but a lot of the

00:47:15

time the mortars are all players people

00:47:16

plan for so they sort of go okay you

00:47:19

know

00:47:21

Trent bolts coming up this number on the

00:47:23

option do we need a SEMA yes what are we

00:47:25

willing to build for him uh we're

00:47:27

willing to go up to 1.2 million and then

00:47:30

so everyone has these plans and everyone

00:47:32

obviously plans for getting them

00:47:34

but naturally there's 10 teams and

00:47:36

there's probably seven or eight good

00:47:38

fast Bowlers so all these teams plan for

00:47:41

getting these guys

00:47:43

and if you can get down and you're one

00:47:44

of the last couple left of that group

00:47:47

that everyone's targeted

00:47:49

all the teams look at each other and go

00:47:52

well there's only two good Bowlers left

00:47:53

now and there's four of us gotcha so all

00:47:56

of a sudden that's when people make dumb

00:47:57

decisions because they panic and go okay

00:47:59

[ __ ] if we don't get one of these two

00:48:00

guys we don't have a bowler and that's

00:48:02

when guys go through the roof right so

00:48:05

that's what happened to

00:48:06

um Carl Jamison last season and I'm not

00:48:08

saying he's a stinking player but but he

00:48:10

was he had a really good year yeah so he

00:48:12

had a lot of guys that were a lot of

00:48:14

teams that were looking at him going oh

00:48:15

he could be really good for us yes and

00:48:16

he was in a small auction that didn't

00:48:18

have many fastballers so then four or

00:48:21

five teams looked at him and went oh we

00:48:23

really need him and that's how you go

00:48:25

for kind of 2.7 million because there's

00:48:28

limited numbers I mean he went for 2.7

00:48:30

million in Jay Richardson went for one

00:48:32

point something Riley married I think

00:48:33

from 1.7 these are all you know

00:48:36

good Bowlers good like don't get me

00:48:38

wrong very good fast Bowlers but all the

00:48:40

teams already had their like top Echelon

00:48:43

fastballs locked up guys like Jafar

00:48:45

Archer and Trent Bolton lucky Ferguson

00:48:48

um Stark Cummins all these guys are

00:48:50

already locked away

00:48:52

so then you get the guys that are coming

00:48:53

up again and they those are the ones

00:48:55

yeah

00:48:57

um so a couple of there were a couple of

00:48:58

all rounders who kind of have had a good

00:49:00

couple of months and got the eyes of the

00:49:03

world on them and you know a couple of

00:49:04

teams panic and you know pay overs and I

00:49:07

think five years ago I would have looked

00:49:08

at those guys and gone this is [ __ ]

00:49:10

though you know I'm better than that I'm

00:49:12

better than him I'm better than him I'm

00:49:14

better than him but you know after you

00:49:16

kind of go through it a few times

00:49:17

there's probably

00:49:19

four or five guys who didn't get picked

00:49:21

up at all looking at me going I'm better

00:49:22

than him yeah that's how it works the

00:49:25

way it works right

00:49:26

um so you sort of be thankful for what

00:49:28

you do get yeah and sort of just move on

00:49:30

what was your biggest year for the IPL

00:49:31

uh this is my biggest oh 300 000. you

00:49:34

see a big year for New Zealand 11 11 new

00:49:37

zealanders picked you got 300 000 lucky

00:49:39

Ferguson two million Trent bolt uh 1.6

00:49:42

million we have talked a bit about the

00:49:43

money but how does it work shortly it's

00:49:46

not as glamorous as it sounds like you

00:49:47

get taxed you pay an agent how much do

00:49:50

you end up getting like half of it uh

00:49:52

yeah I think I mean it depends how much

00:49:54

you play as well I mean obviously

00:49:56

it's per game kind of thing so if you

00:49:58

get picked up for you get 80 if you

00:50:00

don't play so if you get picked up for a

00:50:02

million and you don't play at all you

00:50:03

get 800 Grand kind of thing

00:50:06

um and then yeah agents some guys have

00:50:08

agents some guys have their fees cap

00:50:09

that's kind of different for different

00:50:10

people and then obviously tax so I think

00:50:12

generally if you can walk away with half

00:50:14

you're you're pretty good

00:50:16

um it's not it's not bad for a couple of

00:50:18

months work well absolutely and that's

00:50:19

the thing you know

00:50:22

and I remember to say I look back and my

00:50:24

very very first year when I got picked

00:50:25

up for Delhi got picked up for about I

00:50:27

think it was about 230

00:50:30

um and I was 23 years old you know I had

00:50:34

nothing you know I'd played

00:50:36

two years of domestic Cricket I probably

00:50:37

was had a net worth of about 30 grand

00:50:41

you know and it's sort of like and I got

00:50:43

picked up for 230 Grand and I was

00:50:45

disappointed because everyone had told

00:50:48

me like You're Gonna Be A Millionaire

00:50:49

like you're going so well like these

00:50:51

teams need you like these teams are

00:50:52

gonna bid for you like Corey Anderson

00:50:54

went for 900 Grand you know half an hour

00:50:57

before I went up and so you suddenly go

00:50:59

I'm Gonna Be A Millionaire today's the

00:51:00

day today this is like oh my God and

00:51:03

then I remember like I sold for 230 000

00:51:07

or something and I was like what is that

00:51:10

all yeah you know that was and looking

00:51:11

back now you go that's a completely

00:51:13

insane way for a 23 year old is worth 30

00:51:16

grand to look at getting paid 230 000

00:51:19

but it's all the expectation of I

00:51:22

deserve this and and he's got this

00:51:24

amount which means I should be there or

00:51:26

thereabouts yeah you can kind of thing

00:51:28

I'll look back now and go I I was such a

00:51:30

penis like I should have just been so

00:51:32

happy and and you know and like like

00:51:35

more money than I'd ever seen in my

00:51:37

entire life

00:51:38

and I was disappointed and I look at

00:51:40

that person and I go what a [ __ ] what

00:51:41

like now you sort of Go full circle and

00:51:45

you sort of go awesome like take it off

00:51:48

so grateful like so lucky

00:51:51

and just hopefully be able to stay

00:51:53

uninjured and get over there and and

00:51:55

sort of continue you know being able to

00:51:57

play a sport for a living and yeah yeah

00:51:59

and

00:52:02

um do you enjoy going to and Indians

00:52:03

love their crooked over absolutely mad

00:52:05

about it you must be like a rock star

00:52:07

over there it's got to be good for the

00:52:08

ego is it good for the ego yeah yeah oh

00:52:10

yeah it is it's it's different now with

00:52:12

all the bubbles and stuff you're very

00:52:14

separated and

00:52:15

um you know you people can't get into

00:52:18

the hotel you can't leave so you sort of

00:52:19

you have the same people all the time so

00:52:21

at Mumbai last year you know I knew you

00:52:24

know all the waiters names and stuff you

00:52:25

know because the same people working

00:52:26

kind of breakfast and dinner and that

00:52:28

kind of thing and that sort of oh you

00:52:30

want the usual for breakfast Jimmy sir

00:52:31

and you go yeah yeah poached eggs on

00:52:33

toast avocado and you know it sort of it

00:52:36

became almost like an extended team you

00:52:38

know in these guys and you know and I

00:52:40

remember thinking like oh these guys are

00:52:41

pretty cool like they don't really

00:52:42

they're not fanatical about Cricket

00:52:43

they're just you know here for the ride

00:52:45

as well and then it got down to the last

00:52:47

night where we were going to leave the

00:52:49

next day and it was just like a frenzy

00:52:51

it was like photos and autographs and

00:52:53

can I have a shirt and can I like all

00:52:55

this kind of thing and I made a piece of

00:52:57

artwork for you and like all this kind

00:52:59

of things oh they're just being super

00:53:00

chills the whole time so they'd

00:53:01

obviously been given the hard word like

00:53:03

to not bother the players like not be

00:53:06

fans yeah yeah because in the bubble it

00:53:08

is kind of your Sanctuary is within the

00:53:10

bubble you kind of you know you can't

00:53:12

really Escape it so it's not ideal to

00:53:14

have people kind of in your personal

00:53:15

space that kind of thing so they've

00:53:16

obviously been given the hard word

00:53:19

um oh that's that's adorable that's

00:53:21

lovely yeah and it was yeah it was funny

00:53:23

and you sort of all the guys like oh

00:53:25

thank you sir thank you sir like kind of

00:53:27

going and he said oh they are they are

00:53:29

still fans and

00:53:30

um yeah it's definitely a massive

00:53:32

difference from the the first year I

00:53:34

went was was obviously pre-covered and

00:53:36

you go to nightclubs and going out to

00:53:39

people's places and sponsors evenings

00:53:41

and dinners and that kind of thing and

00:53:42

it's all yeah very

00:53:44

um frenetic and

00:53:46

um you know I was a passionate aren't

00:53:48

they yeah so passionate and they love

00:53:51

the game and and they love they love the

00:53:53

individuals like they so we had my team

00:53:56

Kevin Peterson was in our team

00:53:58

um at Delhi and he was just an absolute

00:54:00

just like literally genuinely a rock

00:54:03

star like would walk in and he could

00:54:06

just walk around do whatever he wanted

00:54:07

if he was if he went to a nightclub he

00:54:09

could just walk up and DJ the nightclub

00:54:10

if he wanted to like they literally he

00:54:12

could do anything and people would just

00:54:14

nod and go absolutely sir and they go

00:54:16

and it sort of you sit there as as a as

00:54:18

a kiwi who's

00:54:20

you know you've sort of stay in your

00:54:22

place as a kiwi don't you you sort of

00:54:24

come in and you you never ever say you

00:54:26

know can I skip the line like do you

00:54:27

know who I am or any height absolutely

00:54:30

not never ever like anything like that

00:54:32

and then to it's almost expected you

00:54:35

know you sort of walk up to a nightclub

00:54:37

in India and they go why are you waiting

00:54:38

back there like just walk up and go in

00:54:40

and you sort of go oh no I'm not really

00:54:41

that comfortable doing it and then KP

00:54:43

would just sort of struck to the front

00:54:44

of the line and just stroll in and you

00:54:47

go I'll come I'm with him

00:54:50

London

00:54:54

um we were walking through this thing

00:54:56

and

00:54:57

um it was uh Kevin Peterson JP doomany

00:55:00

and myself were um walking in and we

00:55:03

walked past and the sky goes oh my God

00:55:04

Kevin Peterson and he goes oh my God JP

00:55:07

Dooney he looked at me anyway

00:55:10

Steve Smith

00:55:14

yeah and I was like yeah thanks mate

00:55:21

Steve Smith and you're the Australian

00:55:23

guy I mean it feels that way around

00:55:24

you'd be called racist but yeah if it's

00:55:27

a seat to a white man you go oh yeah you

00:55:28

look kind of like yeah you look similar

00:55:30

yeah all you blonde hair blue eyes guys

00:55:32

look similar yeah amazing and um who was

00:55:35

it for you growing up who did who did

00:55:37

you pretend to be in the backyard when

00:55:38

you were playing Cricket

00:55:39

20 years ago I'm guessing when you were

00:55:41

sort of 11 12. yeah yeah so I would have

00:55:44

been

00:55:46

um oh I loved Adam Gilchrist yeah I

00:55:48

loved Chris Keynes

00:55:50

um

00:55:51

yeah I'm trying to think of that kind of

00:55:53

you know Nathan Estell those sorts of

00:55:55

guys yeah

00:55:56

the teal blue days yeah yeah yeah Rory

00:55:59

days of New Zealand cricket and yeah the

00:56:01

Glory Days when Chris Cairns had his

00:56:03

long hair and sort of the top of his

00:56:05

Mark going like this and yeah it's sort

00:56:07

of I mean I was I was a cricket fan yeah

00:56:10

definitely I I

00:56:12

you know I remember getting my bat

00:56:13

signed by these guys like on the on the

00:56:16

side of an oval and that kind of thing

00:56:17

and

00:56:18

um yeah it's a pretty cool experience to

00:56:21

to now because you never really realized

00:56:23

that you've become that person

00:56:27

if you're Fielding at the boundary or

00:56:29

something and I I don't there must be

00:56:31

times where you feel it I think you sort

00:56:34

of Feel It by how people treat you but

00:56:37

like I remember getting all the way from

00:56:39

Chris Cairns at Eden Park and kind of

00:56:41

give them my and just being like Oh my

00:56:43

God this guy's like amazing

00:56:45

and now you sort of stand on the

00:56:48

Outfield and you're signing autographs

00:56:50

for kids and that kind of thing and then

00:56:51

you

00:56:52

it's almost like that imposter syndrome

00:56:54

where you go I don't really know if I

00:56:56

should be doing that you know you sort

00:56:58

of come in into the change room and

00:56:59

you're just with your mates who

00:57:01

you know you play cricket together and

00:57:03

you you know that you know you're all

00:57:05

kind of battling through a little bit

00:57:06

trying to figure things out and you know

00:57:08

trying to work things out technically

00:57:10

and then you sort of walk out into the

00:57:11

field and people think you're this kind

00:57:13

of deity and it almost feels a little

00:57:15

bit you're unworthy at times you say oh

00:57:17

no you shouldn't really be

00:57:19

looking at me like that you shouldn't be

00:57:21

looking at me the way I looked at Chris

00:57:22

Cairns because he was just such a larger

00:57:25

than life individual to me at the time

00:57:26

but personally they could still feel

00:57:28

that way yeah it's it's really nice to

00:57:30

know though it's really good to know

00:57:31

yeah I think

00:57:33

I think that's a distinctly kiwi thing I

00:57:35

think I'm not sure if many of the other

00:57:37

countries around the world have players

00:57:39

that think that way yeah

00:57:40

um but yeah like

00:57:43

knowing the guys on the team I know a

00:57:44

lot of the guys feel similar it's kind

00:57:45

of like we're just kind of trying to get

00:57:47

through

00:57:48

trying to win games and you know he's

00:57:51

sort of and I almost still feel like at

00:57:53

31 I'm starting you know I'm still

00:57:56

learning and still trying to be so cool

00:57:58

and obviously it'll become a time where

00:58:00

my body sort of can't do it anymore but

00:58:02

I still think I'll be in Aura of these

00:58:04

other guys yeah until the day I finish

00:58:07

it's doing a lot to offer you see on on

00:58:09

that I might just find my friend Bridget

00:58:10

her seven-year-old son Benjamin

00:58:13

when she picks up do you want to ask for

00:58:14

Benjamin

00:58:16

hi hi Bridget it's Jimmy nisham here how

00:58:17

you going

00:58:22

there's Benjamin around

00:58:27

apparently he can spin both ways I don't

00:58:29

really know what that means

00:58:31

hi Benjamin it's Jimmy nisham here how

00:58:33

you going

00:58:36

are you a cricket fan

00:58:38

yeah yeah you're a black caps fan

00:58:41

how are you going are you a bachelor

00:58:43

Ebola

00:58:47

all rounder yeah that's the way all the

00:58:49

best players of all rounders though

00:58:56

or I like bassing more because bowling

00:59:01

makes me really sore what about you what

00:59:03

do you prefer

00:59:06

oh you're probably gonna be better than

00:59:07

me then

00:59:09

you can keep me in the retirement

00:59:13

oh is he gonna are you gonna play for

00:59:15

New Zealand one day Benjamin

00:59:17

hopefully that's what I want to do oh

00:59:19

perfect we'll keep working hard and I'm

00:59:21

sure you'll get there

00:59:27

yeah

00:59:29

um what's your favorite endings that

00:59:31

you've played or favorite Innings

00:59:35

um

00:59:36

I think I would have to say

00:59:39

uh

00:59:41

uh probably the World Cup against

00:59:42

Pakistan

00:59:46

uh no the the 2019 one day World Cup

00:59:49

um we're we're in a bit of trouble and

00:59:51

um managed to to get the team out of a

00:59:53

bit of a sticky situation so I'll

00:59:55

probably say that one for for how

00:59:56

challenging it was

01:00:00

excellent okay it's good to talk to you

01:00:03

guys thank you no worries see you later

01:00:06

good luck

01:00:08

see ya

01:00:10

so you you wouldn't realize the the

01:00:12

impact you have but um like he's he's a

01:00:14

chatty kitten he doesn't shut shut up

01:00:16

and he's just obsessed with Cricket but

01:00:19

I suppose as soon as uh I don't know

01:00:21

maybe it's stage fright or something but

01:00:23

as soon as the moment comes you must say

01:00:24

that a lot of kids that just just go

01:00:25

completely freeze on you yeah yeah it's

01:00:29

um yeah it's funny it's because you can

01:00:31

see

01:00:32

um

01:00:33

like obviously I've got eyes so you can

01:00:37

see people from like a long way off and

01:00:38

you sort of you know so you can tell

01:00:40

because I've noticed you yeah and some

01:00:42

sort of sometimes you'll be sitting in

01:00:43

the you know in the Mall food court or

01:00:45

something and you'll you'll sort of see

01:00:47

a kid kind of wide-eyed looking at you

01:00:49

and

01:00:50

um you sort of go okay I wonder if this

01:00:52

kid's gonna have the guts took off

01:00:53

unless you say something and you know

01:00:55

you can see the dad kind of just nudging

01:00:57

them in the back and go on like go say

01:01:00

hi and and you're sort of sitting there

01:01:01

like watching going is he gonna and

01:01:03

probably

01:01:04

uh way more than half the time the kids

01:01:07

just go no no no no yeah

01:01:09

that's the cutest thing so that kept

01:01:12

Benjamin um they live just at the back

01:01:14

of the apartment I said to my friend

01:01:15

Bridget I said oh if Jimmy's got five

01:01:17

minutes afterwards we'll come around and

01:01:18

say good and have a photo yeah and um I

01:01:20

did the same thing a couple of weeks ago

01:01:21

with Hayden wild who got a bronze Med on

01:01:23

the triathlon at the Olympics last year

01:01:24

and his response he was how many of

01:01:26

these people am I going to meet mum and

01:01:28

I'm just wondering when life when I'm

01:01:29

gonna go back to my real life

01:01:31

yeah I suppose that's the benefit of

01:01:33

having a world famous podcast

01:01:36

get all the games maybe you've been so

01:01:39

generous with your time God oh one more

01:01:41

thing I want to ask you the um the

01:01:42

covert thing you must be so pleased at

01:01:44

it

01:01:44

touch wood we're getting to the tail end

01:01:46

of that how many isolation days have you

01:01:47

done do you reckon all up oh you sat

01:01:49

down and worked out how many stints uh

01:01:51

well I know I've done three of the of

01:01:53

the managed isos in New Zealand

01:01:56

um 14 days each time uh the last one I

01:01:58

managed to sneak in and it went down to

01:02:00

seven for a little bit for one of them

01:02:02

so 14 14 7.

01:02:05

um bubbles probably another

01:02:10

for another five months probably bubbles

01:02:13

which is obviously essentially miq in

01:02:16

the hotel not allowed to leave except

01:02:18

for the ground and

01:02:20

um yeah probably more than that six

01:02:21

months maybe and then obviously when

01:02:24

you're overseas still further tolerance

01:02:25

there's a lot of restrictions around

01:02:26

sort of where you can eat and what you

01:02:28

can do and all that kind of thing so I

01:02:30

am well and truly ready hopefully

01:02:32

everyone's vaccinated and boosted and

01:02:34

everyone's sort of ready and prepared

01:02:36

and you know middle of the winter coming

01:02:38

to next summer we're going to be back

01:02:39

through the back end of it and yeah

01:02:41

we'll be humming what about tests how

01:02:42

many how many tests do you estimate

01:02:44

you've had at covert test

01:02:47

um

01:02:48

I would say somewhere

01:02:51

maybe 300

01:02:53

oh my [ __ ] god wow yeah well we wow

01:02:58

um yeah when we we were doing every day

01:03:01

every day in IPL so

01:03:04

um just go down to breakfast there's a

01:03:05

dude there in the room next to breakfast

01:03:07

and go get your test and not the nose

01:03:10

one yeah the nose one oh my God so wow

01:03:15

your poor nose yeah well I think and

01:03:18

yeah and IPL it was

01:03:20

uh it was nose nose throat every morning

01:03:24

so two up the nose and then one on the

01:03:26

throat

01:03:28

um yeah each morning and

01:03:29

um obviously every time we fly you know

01:03:31

you need to get the pre-departure

01:03:34

um you know it's sort of at

01:03:37

um when I was at Essex as well playing

01:03:39

candy Cricket it was every day before

01:03:40

training if you want to come into the

01:03:41

change room you've got to get an rat

01:03:42

test

01:03:44

um so yeah very used to it by now but

01:03:46

the the worst one is is New Zealand

01:03:48

pre-departure test is it what New

01:03:50

Zealand go the hardest right yeah in

01:03:52

terms of depth of the most depth and

01:03:54

yeah because you can rank them all

01:03:56

because an IPL I mean they're obviously

01:03:59

testing it but they don't really want to

01:04:01

find it like of course they want to keep

01:04:03

the show rolling off so they kind of do

01:04:04

a little kind of up around the inside

01:04:06

and thanks mate yeah a little tickle on

01:04:09

and then obviously in New Zealand

01:04:10

they're fully into it they want it they

01:04:12

are finding it they go right into the

01:04:13

brain stem and have a little jab around

01:04:15

and you sort of forget your uncle's name

01:04:17

and stuff you go [ __ ] it's just

01:04:18

knocked out of my brain but no uh it's

01:04:21

certainly something I I mean you learn

01:04:23

to learn to take it don't you I suppose

01:04:27

the only option because I am I managed

01:04:30

to have I avoid covert testing all

01:04:32

together until I traveled towards the

01:04:33

end of last year and I found it fine I

01:04:34

had a saliva test for pre-departure and

01:04:36

then overseas you know this throat test

01:04:38

and as you said they don't go very high

01:04:39

on the nose then when I came back for

01:04:41

miq uh I was shedding myself about that

01:04:44

very first test I was like dreading it

01:04:46

um but the first one was actually fine

01:04:47

it sort of tickled and I sneezed

01:04:49

afterwards it felt kind of kind of

01:04:50

pleasant-ish even yeah just so we

01:04:52

Tickler and I thought oh I've been

01:04:53

reading this thing and it just goes to

01:04:55

show that you shouldn't be fearful of

01:04:56

these things because whatever then the

01:04:58

day three test or whatever oh my God

01:05:00

holy [ __ ] yeah my I was watering for

01:05:03

hours afterwards that was unpleasant

01:05:05

yeah we were in the hotel and where the

01:05:08

Crown Plaza and I went in for my day one

01:05:10

and someone was coming out I think it

01:05:12

was maybe Tim Seifert and he just went

01:05:14

don't go to the blonde chicken

01:05:16

and I looked at him look like I've been

01:05:19

punched in the face so my eyes are

01:05:21

watering I got in there and there was

01:05:22

like this one blonde at the end looking

01:05:24

at me and I was like no I'm just like

01:05:26

waited wait a little bit longer to get

01:05:28

the lady sort of closest and she wasn't

01:05:31

too bad but now there's certainly a

01:05:33

difference and it does depend on the

01:05:35

individual doesn't it yeah hey um hey

01:05:37

we'll finish up with some quick fire

01:05:38

running questions even though um yeah

01:05:39

it's been a fabulous chatting with you I

01:05:41

never realized you I invited you on

01:05:43

because I thought you enjoyed running I

01:05:44

I enjoy it I enjoy I'm feel better when

01:05:47

I am running yeah you know it's one of

01:05:49

those things that it's pain while it's

01:05:51

happening but then when I'm in a rhythm

01:05:52

where I'm running two or three times a

01:05:54

week I definitely feel better as an

01:05:55

individual it's just the case of

01:05:56

actually having the self-discipline you

01:05:58

do it okay what do you listening to when

01:06:00

you run

01:06:01

uh Spotify playlist music podcast yeah

01:06:05

music yeah

01:06:06

um what was your favorite place to run

01:06:09

uh

01:06:10

uh I I love running around Cornwall Park

01:06:12

but it's we're down kind of in One Tree

01:06:15

Hill only Hangar Ash area so it's like a

01:06:17

real steep run at Rafferty road to get

01:06:19

there so I love the running there in

01:06:22

there the most but I hate getting there

01:06:23

the most so sorry because the hell it

01:06:26

was a great one oh no I'm heavy mate

01:06:28

you're 80 kg is 101.

01:06:32

um what's your favorite shoe do you have

01:06:33

a favorite shoe to Runner uh New Balance

01:06:35

of course

01:06:36

and you prefer to run alone or with a

01:06:38

crew alone yeah yeah I'm this I'm the

01:06:41

same I I've got a thing if you're

01:06:42

running with someone else someone's

01:06:44

someone's running faster than what they

01:06:45

want and someone's running slower than

01:06:47

what they want yeah

01:06:48

um although I do like that um I go

01:06:50

running a lot with lucky Ferguson and

01:06:51

Ben horn who's an Auckland cricketer

01:06:53

because they're both fitter than me so

01:06:55

if I go running with them I I I'm like

01:06:57

panting like a dog like hanging out the

01:06:59

back end of them and I need to hang on

01:07:00

and that's when I run my quickest yeah

01:07:02

right when I'm by myself I'm kind of in

01:07:03

my comfort zone you go yeah you do you

01:07:05

tend to cruise don't you you got your

01:07:06

comfortable Pace um do you prefer um

01:07:08

summer running or winter running summer

01:07:10

oh Runners High real or myth real as in

01:07:13

like while you're doing it

01:07:15

well I think I think it's just that

01:07:16

endorphin rush I feel like it can happen

01:07:18

during or after yeah uh yeah true yeah

01:07:21

definitely you have it during uh after

01:07:23

it sounds like you have it when you're

01:07:25

as soon as you finish running I've I've

01:07:26

actually have had it a couple of times

01:07:27

during

01:07:29

um but like when I've run a half

01:07:31

marathon like that kind of kilometer

01:07:34

sort of 13 to 15. like let's start at a

01:07:37

random point in the middle when you've

01:07:39

sort of gone into the hurt box and

01:07:41

you've run too far and you don't have

01:07:42

the ability to keep running but then you

01:07:44

do and then your body almost gives up

01:07:46

your body stops bothering telling you

01:07:48

that it's in pain it sort of goes okay

01:07:50

well if you're gonna do it you're gonna

01:07:51

do it and then then you're sort of

01:07:53

running for a couple of K's in the

01:07:54

middle and you go I feel great yeah and

01:07:56

that obviously inevitably comes back

01:07:58

yeah sweet spot but it's amazing how you

01:08:00

can sort of Even Flow like that and go

01:08:02

from feeling complete [ __ ] and like

01:08:04

you've given it everything you've got to

01:08:06

suddenly having a period where you're

01:08:07

you're just in like a flow State again

01:08:08

yeah well you see it like I just

01:08:10

mentioned I use Strava and you see it

01:08:12

with the kilometer breakdowns and

01:08:13

sometimes you just have a couple of K's

01:08:15

where you you go 10 or 15 seconds

01:08:17

quicker than all the rest of it and you

01:08:18

look back and go no that wasn't downhill

01:08:20

or anything it was just kind of got into

01:08:22

a good Rhythm and like I try and match

01:08:24

my breathing out with my with my strides

01:08:26

and if you can if I can do that I feel

01:08:27

like I'm like in a real good rhythm of

01:08:29

running

01:08:30

yeah that's a good idea I've never never

01:08:31

tried that yeah

01:08:33

yeah so I suppose it's like um almost

01:08:35

like a like a Locomotion sort of thing

01:08:36

yeah probably get in like a Zone and

01:08:38

yeah like I try and go out out in and

01:08:40

out out in in with my like right left

01:08:42

right left right left right and just try

01:08:44

and like get into a rhythm where it's

01:08:45

just almost all happening yeah I think

01:08:48

yeah I don't know what I'm talking about

01:08:49

yeah well that's the thing it's such an

01:08:52

individual thing nobody nobody does and

01:08:53

there's no right or wrong and I think

01:08:54

that's the cool thing about it hey thank

01:08:56

you so much for your time today best of

01:08:58

luck for the the year ahead and what it

01:08:59

may bring hopefully um we get to see you

01:09:01

in whites playing a test match again

01:09:03

yeah ideally ideally I know I'm not

01:09:05

going to get an invite for a run now

01:09:06

because we both just said that we're

01:09:07

like running by ourselves

01:09:11

yeah sounds good

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Episode Highlights

Pivotal Moments in Cricket
Jimmy reflects on his presence in key moments of New Zealand cricket history.
“You're there right at the end of The Cricket World Cup final.”
@ 00m 54s
October 17, 2022
The Love-Hate Relationship with Running
Jimmy reveals his complicated feelings about running, admitting it's not his favorite.
“I had no idea it was such a loathing for you.”
@ 03m 31s
October 17, 2022
The Ultimate Challenge
It's almost just the mental aspect of getting through the ultimate challenge in cricket.
@ 16m 44s
October 17, 2022
Viral Moment
A clip went viral showing teammates celebrating while he looked upset after a semi-final win.
@ 17m 45s
October 17, 2022
Disbelief After the Final
The dressing room felt like a morgue after the World Cup final loss, filled with disbelief.
@ 26m 06s
October 17, 2022
Bonding Through Loss
Going through the World Cup loss together created a deeper bond among teammates.
@ 29m 46s
October 17, 2022
The Pressure of Performance
Cricketers often face immense pressure to perform, leading to selfish behaviors on the field.
“You can tell if guys are actually in it for the team or for themselves.”
@ 34m 07s
October 17, 2022
Finding Balance
After a break from cricket, finding a real job helped alleviate the fear of failure.
“I realized that I’ll be fine, you know.”
@ 42m 18s
October 17, 2022
The Reality of IPL Earnings
Earnings in the IPL can be misleading; after taxes and fees, players often take home half.
“If you can walk away with half, you're pretty good.”
@ 50m 14s
October 17, 2022
The Impact of Fame
He shares the surreal experience of being recognized and treated like a rock star in India.
“You must be like a rock star over there; it’s good for the ego.”
@ 52m 07s
October 17, 2022
The Runners High Debate
Is the Runners High a real phenomenon? The consensus is a resounding yes!
“Runners High real or myth? Real as in...”
@ 01h 07m 10s
October 17, 2022
Finding Your Rhythm
Discovering the perfect running rhythm can elevate your experience to new heights.
“If I can match my breathing with my strides, I feel like I'm in a real good rhythm.”
@ 01h 08m 29s
October 17, 2022

Episode Quotes

Running is something I've picked up recently and trying to keep up with.
Jimmy Neesham on how to stay mentally fit || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
Test Cricket is the ultimate challenge in the sport.
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It was like a morgue.
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It beats you up big time.
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You sort of go awesome, like take it off, so grateful, like so lucky.
Jimmy Neesham on how to stay mentally fit || Runners Only! Podcast with Dom Harvey
Runners High real or myth? Real as in...
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Key Moments

Cricket History00:54
Viral Clip17:45
Dressing Room Silence26:06
Selfishness in Cricket33:33
Team Culture34:22
Career Reflections51:30
Runners High1:07:10
Finding Flow1:08:02

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