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Susie Bates welcome to my podcast thanks
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for having me
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um we eventually I I first of all I
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can't believe this you're from Dunedin
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I'm from Palmerston North we're in a
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studio in Notting Hill
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um it's a bit of a yeah Pinch Me moment
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for me I'm and I'm super excited that
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you're here yeah um it took me a while
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to get here
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um and I have been calming North a few
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times but yeah Dunedin I'd never caught
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public transport in Dunedin except when
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you go to school trips on the bus but
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yeah I really mucked up the tubes today
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but thank you for having me and yeah
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it's really cool yeah now I'll win for a
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big run this morning and I was thinking
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how how am I gonna enjoy this podcast
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how are we going to do it and I I
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thought I could you know reel off some
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of your phenomenal statistics of your
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various careers with Cricket and
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basketball and then you've [ __ ] up
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your arrival and you're over half an
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hour late
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um which is the most amazing it was
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actually amazing I thought this is a
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great way to interrupt because from an
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outsider's perspective your life looks
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perfect and then this happens and it
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proves that you are just human what
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would your teammate say is this if they
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heard about this but they'd be like oh
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that's classic Susie or is this like oh
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that's had a character for Susie no I
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think they would say that's classic
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if they knew as well that it was sunny
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outside so the decisions were based
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around getting some outdoor transport so
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that totally understand that because I'm
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always out in the sun so no it is a
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little bit classic trying to also
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squeeze a lot into the day and too much
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when you're in Dunedin everything's only
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five minutes away so you're only ever
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five minutes late whereas in London yeah
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I'll have now 11 London's perfectly
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reasonable like it takes so long to get
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anywhere like the friends I'm staying
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with fella every evening they're like oh
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we should go and see Craig David tonight
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for example and I'm like oh cool how far
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away is that everything's an hour takes
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an hour to get anywhere yeah and you
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think you know it can go on the tube but
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then there's still a lot of walking so
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you do get your steps up even once you
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figure out the tube but yeah it's been
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really nice to be in London it's a great
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spot and at least the sun is out yeah
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and so what do you what are you doing
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here you're here for a the what's the
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tournament the T100 no yeah it's called
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The 100 so
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um
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it's just a format that I think they've
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made for TV so it's shorter and it's 100
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Balls instead of 2020 which is 120
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wheels and they've got uh eight teams
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all spread out there's men's and women's
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you play double headers every game so
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I'm of the oval invincibles who are
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London based and they get three overseas
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and they go into a draft each year and
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you get picks and get sent to whatever
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team so Sophie Divine is that Birmingham
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Phoenix and merely cures at London
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spirit and there's a couple of the New
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Zealand boys Finnell and Devin Conway at
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Southern Brave so there's plenty of
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kiwis in the competition but yeah that's
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what we're here for and it's a pretty
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cool competition we play sold out crowds
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at the oval and the atmosphere is
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awesome we're not doing as well as we'd
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like this season but that's all part of
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it and even though you're on different
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teams do you catch up with your kiwi
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mates yeah um it's handy having melee
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and the other London team so her new
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boyfriend Nathan are over here and we've
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done a bit together we played Sophie in
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Birmingham and our white friends coach
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been soy is also there so we had to
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catch up after the game but there is a
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bit of travel and it's hard to meet up
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with people as you've seen so not too
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much but it helps that melee's in London
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yeah yeah you guys quite tight merely
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and I yeah uh yeah we spend a lot of
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time together I think we've just bonded
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over
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um cricket and wanting to be the best we
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can be and she's very talented and we
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obviously tour a lot as a team so the
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three of us Sophie Millie and I know
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each other pretty well so it is nice
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when you have those familiar faces when
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you're an overseas player yeah because I
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heard the story about um Millie Kieran
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yourself and I don't know if it's like a
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like just a punchline or a gag or a
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serious thing but she when you retire
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she wants you to be her like traveling
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personal coach
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is that like is it is that a real sort
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of thing or is it sort of stick
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um I think she'd love that uh we've
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talked about we have talked about you
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know how tennis players they kind of
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have their personal coaches and with all
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this franchise Cricket Minnie's
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traveling the world playing a different
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teams so she wants to take a coach
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that'll just sling at her for hours
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because she loves Benny so We've joked
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now that she's earning millions of
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dollars that I could be that person and
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just be her own personal batting coach
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so when training's done if she wants
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extras I'm just there to bowl and throw
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so it's a bit of a joke but I'm sure
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she'd love it yeah is she is an
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exaggeration or is she earning millions
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of dollars
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uh Millions is probably an exaggeration
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but the IPL women's IPL
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um first time this year they had this
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auction which was just absolutely
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fascinating to watch unfold schmuti
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Mandana the best Indian player went for
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something ridiculous like she went for
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one point something million the most
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highest paid female cricketer and then
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merely I think something over 100k for
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her
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um position at Mumbai Indians so she's
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got another 10 to 15 years if she wants
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to keep playing
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um all around the world yeah it's pretty
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unbelievable considering when I started
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I think we got paid thirty dollars a day
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and that was meant to you got 70 if you
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didn't live at home because that was to
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cover multiple combination I was living
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at home at the time still so I got 30
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dollars it's um yeah like a it must be
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it must be nice for you that um yeah in
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your career which by the way has like
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spanned over half your [ __ ] life it's
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been insane insane it's nice that you've
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seen that over 30 a day to where you are
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now and that you do get to capitalize on
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it and make a little bit of money before
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before your career ends yeah and I said
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I was I feel like it's been quite a
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privilege to have the best of both
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worlds because I sort of look at these
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young players now and at 16 17 they're
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contracted and Cricket becomes their
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life whereas probably up until I was 26
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27 28 it was still part-time I could
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play basketball I could study
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um I sort of felt like I had I guess
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more freedom to figure out what I wanted
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to do and then Cricket became my
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profession so I see the benefits of that
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I could have been burnt out by now if it
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was the way it is and obviously this
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play is also just before me that missed
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out just on the professional
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um phase of the game so yeah it's like
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the timing and no it's no one's fault
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but I just feel pretty grateful that
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I've been part of both sides for
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different reasons and yes the Fine Line
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because there is now Financial reward
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but um not hanging in there too long and
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for the wrong reasons you want to be
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making sure I'm still doing it for the
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love but sometimes the Money Talks
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doesn't it oh 100 and do you find
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sometimes with the the younger players
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you're going to like Boomer mode and you
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say yeah you know you guys don't know
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how lucky you got it back in my day
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thirty dollars a day yeah it would be
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hard not I'd catch myself all the time
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like but I hold my tongue they yeah it
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is just so different that they don't
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know any different so it's not really
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the effect
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um you almost want to come sometimes I
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feel like I want to give them a clip
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around the air just so they've got some
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perspective but that's not helpful and
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I'm sure they're older players when I
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was playing they wanted to give me a
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clip around here too and it is the money
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good for you so say you've gone like
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another couple of years of your your
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career left are you gonna better you're
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like I don't know buy a house in Dunedin
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at the end of it or you know you've
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devoted so much of your life to the
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sport
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um so in those early years in particular
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like you definitely undoubtedly do it
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just For the Love of the Game
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um and you've made a lot of sacrifices
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so it'd be good if you can get to the
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the end of your career and you know now
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you've got some Financial reward from it
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is it going to be okay yeah no it's um
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it's kind of unbelievable where it's at
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and it's all public knowledge as well
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with these drafts they have now I hate
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them but that's where the game's going
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you put your name in and you get offered
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a band of money so this oval
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invincible's it was I think I went for
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32 and a half thousand pounds for a
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month's work so that's 70 grand yeah so
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that's and that's only happened in the
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last two years that's Money's been that
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way
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um the big bash you can earn anything
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between I think it's thirty thousand and
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a hundred and ten thousand for six weeks
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um the IPL if you get your name in it's
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the same work the minimum is 30 000 us
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but it goes up to ridiculous amounts but
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I wasn't picked up last season and then
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our New Zealand Cricket contracts
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um the retainers and if you play every
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game it's very financially rewarding so
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all of that put together over a 12-month
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um span I think the hard thing is now I
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think oh what job could I earn that
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money
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um it's doing something that I love so
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much as well you know it's my passion
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and it's just nothing's changed for me
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but everything's changed I'm doing
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exactly the same thing I'm sort of
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training the same way obviously we're
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away a lot more but then all of a sudden
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it's like the same job you were doing
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now is earning 10 times as much it's a
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weird concept oh it's so cool though it
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is very cool very cool it's amazing it's
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amazing okay there's so much ground to
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cover with you like you've mentioned the
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IPL a couple of times you you should
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have been selected but you missed out
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I put my name in and hoped for selection
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and I felt like I'd had a pretty good 12
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months but it is a very I guess fickle
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environment and often it's just
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depending on the balance of the team and
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spots and it felt like the first auction
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the Indian teams were looking for fast
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Bowlers and all-rounders and that was
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sort of where people put their money in
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lots of world-class openers like Denny
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Way at Laura wolvert from South Africa
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also missed out so I think no one really
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knows how it's going to go and you hope
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that you're going to get picked up
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especially when it was the first one but
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when you see her it unfolded you sort of
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understand you would you would
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disappointed or were you sort of okay
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about it
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can you remember how you felt yeah no I
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can because the timing of it was
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Dreadful
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um we were playing was it our second
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world it was the Second World Cup game
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it was a morning of the game against
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South Africa and
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there was obviously players in our team
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that have put their name in and then I
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thought the auction was just going to
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happen in the morning but then it just
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dragged on because they went through
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rounds and rounds and so I decided not
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to really follow it because we had a
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game but then I could just Sense on the
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bus that everyone knew that they were
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watching and that I hadn't been picked
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up so we had that game and at the time I
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was like just not got to worry about it
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but I think it probably just I don't
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know it just knocks your confidence a
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bit with like you feel
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maybe that you've done enough to be
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picked up and then when you're not I
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guess it does yeah it hurts a little bit
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but I think after the World Cup and
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having a breaker sort of saw it for what
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it was but at the time I was yeah a bit
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gutted and I knew people involved in the
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auction so you you'd hope they picked
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you up but they didn't so that was fine
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yeah like why are you like are you like
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embarrassed or
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just like sad I feel like well for me
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it's more no it's not embarrassed it's
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just gutted I was just like
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um I'd done so much in the women's game
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and that was kind of one thing and it
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was the first time and I just
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desperately wanted to be a part of it
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and see what it was like and yeah I've
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been really fortunate that I've been
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part of pretty much everything when it
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started so it was just maybe for very
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selfish reasons I just wanted to get
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amongst it and see what the woman's IPO
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was going to be like but there's a
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chance every year if I want to put my
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name in it'll happen and it's only going
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to get bigger and bigger yeah and I
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suppose that's just um like the career
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path you've chosen isn't it there's like
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extreme Highs but also these like deep
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lows as well yeah and batting and
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Cricket if you've ever
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been a better you understand and like
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you just have to stay so consistent with
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how you prepare because it it's very
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outcome based
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um especially as a batter and at the
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moment I haven't scored the runs I would
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have liked as an overseas player and
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that's even harder because you've sort
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of brought in kind of a commodity to go
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out there and perform for the team and
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when it doesn't go your way it becomes I
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think even harder in these franchise
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environments to deal with it because you
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feel like you're almost not proving your
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worth or they've put an investment in
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you as I think for New Zealand over a
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long period of time
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it's just a different feeling when you
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don't perform you sort of got your
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teammates around you you know you've
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contributed over a long period of time
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whereas this is kind of here and now and
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that's what you're here to do so that's
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been a bit of a battle over here because
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everyone's sort of tiptoeing around it
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but we know like we're pretty much out
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of the tournament now so that's been a
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bit of a shame
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but I I I'm guessing like um you've been
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around so long every imaginable scenario
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like you've been through I'm sure you've
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been out for a golden duck before you've
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probably been out for 99 runs like yeah
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the extreme highs and the extreme lows
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so I mean yeah I there can't be any
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scenario that you haven't dealt with
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uh I've been out to hit Wicket six times
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do you know what that is where you like
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listen I gave up playing I loved Cricket
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more than anything I gave up when I was
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14 because I just got sick of playing a
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team sport where I was I could feel I
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was living my teammates down I know very
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well what a heading work it is yeah
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that time I guess six isn't too bad but
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no it's it's such a metaphor for Life
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Cricket because
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you learn how to be resilient in the
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sport and if you have perspective you
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realize it's just a game but it just
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teaches you so many skills for outside
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of sport and you know when you fail
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dealing with that how you go about um
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the next day how you are around the team
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when there's team success and there's
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individual failure or vice versa there's
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always someone in a cricket team that's
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failed and there's always someone that
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succeeded and I think you just learned
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so much about your character in The in
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this environment and putting yourself
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out there
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um knowing that you know betting and
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probably you know 70 of the time doesn't
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go your way and so you always are
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dealing with failure and it's I think as
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watching young players come through you
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can see the ones that are resilient and
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deal with it well and able to kind of
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pick themselves back up and yeah there's
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lots of strategies you learn that I
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think are just really helpful in life
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yeah well
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um yeah so how do you deal with that
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when something bad happens like you hit
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Wicket or you get out for a duck or you
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know you make a stupid mistake you you
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wander back to the Pavilion take your
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pads off take your helmet off then um
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like are you angry do you like are you
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upset you're burst into tears what do
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you do
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I've gone through phases
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younger Susie
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um I used to be a crier like I'm not
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really an angry person I'm an emotional
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so there was I reckon it was a couple of
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years where I just hated getting out so
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much because I had been quite successful
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early in my career and I expected that
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those results and I just used to like
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cry but like in the toilet so like oh
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really
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we're going to the toilet and like sort
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of give myself five to ten minutes maybe
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this is one day Cricket come back out
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with red eyes yeah then come back and
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hope that it was over often it wasn't
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but uh now I'm much I think just with
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maturity
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I don't know there's nothing you can do
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about it once this happened and like
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there's still times where I want to
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throw my battle
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you know shout and scream but
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um I think I just sort of take my gear
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off and sit with the team and then you
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just know you have to have good energy
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and I sort of have a review process you
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know was it mental technical Technical
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and then
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if I need to I'll touch base with a
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coach and talk about it but by the next
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day if I'm not over it there's something
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wrong yeah okay so you bounce back
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fairly quickly yeah yeah sometimes that
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you have to do more work to for that but
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most of the time the next day the sun
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comes up and you've got another training
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or another game we just play so much you
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have to move on so quickly well you I
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mean that's a good metaphor for life as
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well isn't it you do you just have to
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have to you know just keep punching on
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keep doing it actually I'm surprised you
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but you're um you're like you lean
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towards batting more than bowling anyway
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because you you grew up with older
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brothers right in Dunedin played a lot
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of cricket with them I'm guessing you
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barely got a team with the bat you would
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have been he would have been the the
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bowler right
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that's probably why I lent towards
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better
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I was sick of bowling but no my oldest
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brother uh Tom especially just loved it
00:17:09
so he had bow and he'd tell me to bowl
00:17:12
even closer because I wasn't fast enough
00:17:14
and oh yeah well I'd very rarely get a
00:17:17
bat and I think that's why when I first
00:17:19
started out I was kind of in for a good
00:17:20
time not a long time so yeah but they're
00:17:23
a huge part of why I got into sports so
00:17:25
they were pretty competitive as well
00:17:27
yeah let's uh let's go right back and
00:17:29
talk about that so um so you're from
00:17:31
Dunedin
00:17:32
um very high achieving family right
00:17:34
parents are both lawyers dad was a
00:17:36
tennis coach as well
00:17:38
yeah Mum would say she was an athlete at
00:17:41
James Hargis high school as well but
00:17:43
yeah I guess that's where the work ethic
00:17:45
came from they both worked from um like
00:17:48
looked after four kids dad worked really
00:17:50
hard and
00:17:52
um yeah that was just the norm we all
00:17:54
went to school went to sports trainings
00:17:57
and Mum drove us around I don't know how
00:17:59
she did it now I've watched my brothers
00:18:01
and sister have kids just one kid so I'm
00:18:03
like oh that seems stressful but yeah
00:18:06
Dad coached tennis and all of us started
00:18:09
in tennis and we took it quite seriously
00:18:11
but I think we were all more into the
00:18:13
team sports and yeah he played a bit of
00:18:16
basketball so it was down at the Dunedin
00:18:18
Stadium bouncing a ball around and that
00:18:20
was just what we knew and you didn't
00:18:23
know any different and all our friends
00:18:24
were at sports games and we were always
00:18:28
busy how much of um
00:18:31
we'll get into everything to do with you
00:18:34
like there's the basketball which you
00:18:36
were phenomenal at and and now the
00:18:38
cricket were you how much of it is like
00:18:39
natural talent and how much of it is
00:18:40
hard work and just the hours that you
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put in as a kid
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what do you reckon there must be some
00:18:45
natural Talent all right but yeah I feel
00:18:47
like yeah it's hard is it like in
00:18:49
environment I I feel
00:18:52
like I guess more than some kids I was
00:18:55
just around a ball and kicking or
00:18:57
throwing or passing with my brothers and
00:18:59
with my parents playing sport that was
00:19:03
just I guess you
00:19:05
accidentally practice more and just have
00:19:08
hand-eye coordination
00:19:10
um and it probably wasn't until I was 15
00:19:14
that I like trained or you know
00:19:17
practiced hard I just turned up to
00:19:19
practice and played it was a real Joy of
00:19:22
just playing games and then it was at 15
00:19:24
I started to take my Cricket and
00:19:25
basketball serious and then the fitness
00:19:28
came into it and the work you needed to
00:19:30
put in for that and then I guess wanting
00:19:33
to get better that's when I probably
00:19:35
started to work harder you say at 15 you
00:19:38
start to take it seriously but at 15
00:19:40
that's when you like made your like rip
00:19:42
debut right and you played at Cara's
00:19:44
book
00:19:51
I literally just played and I was just
00:19:54
like I was playing games and I loved it
00:19:56
like but it was like the boys or the
00:19:58
girls I just played sport it wasn't even
00:20:00
didn't matter what it was those were
00:20:01
just seemed the most accessible and then
00:20:04
yeah I'll never forget that because I
00:20:06
didn't own spikes so when you play
00:20:08
cricket you need the spikes you don't
00:20:09
slip over but I'd never owned a pier and
00:20:12
I got called in to play this game and I
00:20:14
was bold and I kept slipping so mid over
00:20:16
the captain
00:20:18
switch shoes so I wore her spikes and
00:20:21
share all my running shoes and I bought
00:20:22
10 overs in a row and then the next day
00:20:24
dad had to go out and buy me some spikes
00:20:26
for the game the next day oh what a
00:20:28
story
00:20:28
so you're so um was it years then or was
00:20:32
it was it Fifth form I'm showing my age
00:20:34
here I think it was years yes so this
00:20:37
year oh no no yeah year 10. so you're in
00:20:40
so you're in year 10. um
00:20:42
yeah that's crazy young eight you look
00:20:44
back now from the perspective of a woman
00:20:46
in her mid-30s like you're a cat was
00:20:49
that was that um intimidating at the
00:20:51
time or did you just have that like like
00:20:52
youthful like brashness or confidence or
00:20:55
Cockiness or whatever
00:20:57
I just I don't know it was like just
00:21:00
come play a game of cricket I just
00:21:01
didn't really think about it but yeah it
00:21:03
was a protago yeah it was the otago
00:21:05
Sparks and it was the end of the season
00:21:07
and they'd had an injury and I think
00:21:09
someone was leaving for the last round
00:21:10
so they just called me in and it was
00:21:13
like a game of cricket I was like cool
00:21:15
it's just so chilled about it and then I
00:21:18
just bowled like I would on a Saturday
00:21:20
with the boys and
00:21:22
um yeah then I've played ever since so
00:21:24
that's why it's been half my life it's
00:21:26
funny how I interrupted you just before
00:21:28
when you you said I wish I still had
00:21:30
that it's like um there's a there's a
00:21:31
saying that the youth youth is wasted on
00:21:33
the young
00:21:35
um and I suppose as you get older you
00:21:36
sort of overthink things and
00:21:38
yeah but you see you you don't remember
00:21:40
being intimidated because everyone else
00:21:42
on the team were like sort of growing
00:21:43
women
00:21:45
I just remember loving it it was like
00:21:47
whenever I played like the next level I
00:21:50
found it just so much more fun it was
00:21:53
like when you played with your peers or
00:21:55
played Club Cricket then you played for
00:21:58
a tiger was like well the standard is so
00:22:00
much fun and there's I've always enjoyed
00:22:02
being around older people it's like
00:22:03
athletes I looked up to them and I
00:22:06
almost wanted to impress them I was like
00:22:08
with my brothers I wanted to prove that
00:22:09
I was good enough
00:22:11
um
00:22:12
and yeah it wasn't intimidation I was
00:22:14
just had so many Role Models whether it
00:22:16
was basketball Cricket that I just felt
00:22:19
really lucky to hang out with and go to
00:22:22
tournaments and just play sport it was
00:22:24
the dream and at 15 I'm guessing 30 a
00:22:27
day or whatever was like quite a lot of
00:22:28
money yeah when you got the food money
00:22:30
and I was living at home and they joked
00:22:32
because I'd go and get Subway and then
00:22:33
save you know Pocket twenty dollars so
00:22:35
you could actually you know be smart
00:22:37
with your money yeah or play the old
00:22:39
they'll laugh at this but the oh forgot
00:22:41
my wallet yeah I forgot my wallet so I
00:22:44
could save the full thirty dollars so um
00:22:48
and what was cricket like growing up
00:22:49
because I've had Sophie Divine on the
00:22:51
podcast and she talked about being in
00:22:52
like mixed teams
00:22:54
um were you in mixed teams or were they
00:22:55
girls teams in Dunedin when you were
00:22:57
when you were growing up
00:22:58
it was mainly mixed I was just the club
00:23:02
I was at it was there was the brothers
00:23:04
and then the younger sisters and they
00:23:06
happened to be three or four of us so we
00:23:08
kind of went through the ages together
00:23:10
playing with the boys but we always had
00:23:12
two or three girlfriends on the team so
00:23:16
um and then got to high school and that
00:23:18
was the only old girls Cricket I've
00:23:19
played and even Dunedin clubcracker I
00:23:22
played third grade men's because he
00:23:24
wasn't a Women's Club competition so I
00:23:27
think it was an advantage to play with
00:23:30
the boys at that age I think now
00:23:33
um girls do play mainly girls Cricket
00:23:36
which has its benefits but I think it
00:23:38
was a bit of a tougher Challenge and
00:23:41
um yeah I got sledged more in men's club
00:23:43
Cricket than I ever did an international
00:23:45
cricket did you did you really like like
00:23:47
what what would they say uh six of stuff
00:23:50
or no no I'll never forget one because I
00:23:54
think we'd play New Zealand had played
00:23:55
in a 2020 World Cup at Lords in like
00:23:59
2010 a long time ago and then we were
00:24:03
playing at Kensington oval and he was
00:24:05
like ah from Lords to Kensington like oh
00:24:08
no I was like Wow hear this
00:24:11
and just I had guys that I went to
00:24:14
school with and they'd just get stuck in
00:24:15
and yeah I can't remember specifically
00:24:18
but I used to I said not a sort of
00:24:20
friendly bed it was friendly Bender but
00:24:21
I feel like international cricket we
00:24:23
don't say that much or maybe I don't
00:24:24
encourage
00:24:26
um too much banter but yeah it's sleging
00:24:28
a thing and the woman's game or or not
00:24:30
so much I feel like it's really toned
00:24:32
down since there's all these overseas
00:24:35
competitions you never know who you're
00:24:36
going to end up in a team with so I
00:24:39
think people yeah they're mindful of
00:24:42
that yeah we used to play Australia and
00:24:44
we just like you know there's this
00:24:46
feeling of we don't like you and we
00:24:47
never all like you but you didn't know
00:24:49
them off the park you just knew them on
00:24:51
the field whereas you started to play in
00:24:53
their teams and you're like oh damn I
00:24:54
actually kind of laughed yeah that's
00:24:57
annoying I can't hate them now although
00:25:00
um yeah having Sophie Devine on the
00:25:02
podcast last year again I don't know
00:25:04
very well just from the podcast
00:25:05
conversation we've had but I I'd imagine
00:25:07
she would potentially be a sledger yeah
00:25:10
domestically there's her and Frankie
00:25:13
Mackay and actually K Ibraham they're
00:25:15
kind of they're known ones to get into a
00:25:17
bit of Biff on the field she has um
00:25:19
definitely toned down in her older years
00:25:22
so yeah she she'll give her if she's in
00:25:24
the mood and sometimes there's a fast
00:25:26
bowler you feel like you can back it up
00:25:28
as a batter the only thing that can
00:25:30
happen is you can get out and so there's
00:25:33
no point I guess running your mouth
00:25:36
they can have the last laugh and and
00:25:38
where did the where's the basketball
00:25:39
thing come from was that just like a
00:25:41
like a side like another sport just
00:25:43
something you see your head like was it
00:25:45
like Cricket in some uh basketball
00:25:47
winter where how did you put it on yeah
00:25:49
I don't know how like my brother's
00:25:52
played like Tom loved the Chicago Bulls
00:25:54
so that was like the Michael Jordan
00:25:56
Scottie Pippen Erin Dennis Rodman yeah
00:25:59
Phil Jackson's coach and he had all the
00:26:01
gear and I just used to think he was so
00:26:03
cool now you know he's older brother but
00:26:06
um how much older is he
00:26:08
uh he'd be five or six years right so
00:26:11
yeah he you know it's quite funny from
00:26:13
doing this podcast and speaking to so
00:26:15
many sort of like high performance and
00:26:16
people uh a lot of something that a lot
00:26:20
of people like a huge majority have in
00:26:21
common is having like an older brother
00:26:22
that I suppose you know older brother or
00:26:25
older siblings they force you to sort of
00:26:27
lift your game yeah and I just I don't
00:26:29
know what it was he just was in this one
00:26:31
so I hung around like a bed it smell and
00:26:33
I remember watching like Bulls finals
00:26:36
and then we'd go out and shoot on the
00:26:38
like made up hope it wasn't I think it
00:26:41
was like full size but Dad kind of made
00:26:42
a backboard and then Dad played Club
00:26:45
basketball so I got involved in a club
00:26:47
and I just kept playing I I loved the
00:26:50
game of basketball it was so much fun I
00:26:51
loved watching it so that's sort of how
00:26:54
that started but I gave everything a go
00:26:55
really I played rugby I played soccer
00:26:57
mum wasn't happy because I started in
00:27:00
soccer and then I had two guy mates that
00:27:03
we hung out Cricket and soccer and then
00:27:06
one year I went back and they'd gone to
00:27:07
rugby so I was like I'm not playing
00:27:08
soccer I want to pass my mind but mum
00:27:11
hadn't told me so then I ended up
00:27:14
playing rugby because Ben and Aunt my
00:27:16
two best mates were playing and that's
00:27:18
how rugby started and then I played
00:27:19
touch at school and volleyball and I
00:27:22
think it was just cricket and basketball
00:27:23
head opportunities or rip teams and
00:27:25
that's where it sort of LED yeah so
00:27:28
which which national team did you make
00:27:30
first was it the New Zealand cricket
00:27:31
team although new basketball team
00:27:38
I should remember
00:27:40
they were like one year after each other
00:27:42
it was cricket my last year of school I
00:27:44
got picks but I was actually planning on
00:27:47
going to college in America for
00:27:49
basketball so the coach at the time had
00:27:52
heard that and I think he picked me to
00:27:54
try and keep me in New Zealand because
00:27:56
if I'd gone to college in America that
00:27:58
may have been four years without Cricket
00:28:00
so do you spend much time like sitting
00:28:02
and reflecting on what you've done like
00:28:04
it's [ __ ] it's insane right it's
00:28:05
phenomenal so while you're still a
00:28:07
teenager you're playing cricket and
00:28:09
basketball for New Zealand you're a
00:28:10
double international well you're still a
00:28:12
school kid yeah you're constantly
00:28:15
looking forward or sometimes do you like
00:28:16
do you pause to reflect on these things
00:28:19
it's probably to my detriment I am
00:28:22
always looking at the next challenge and
00:28:24
I'm probably I'm just so hard on myself
00:28:27
which if I saw in someone else I'd you
00:28:29
know tell them not to be but it's also I
00:28:32
guess got me to where I am and kept me
00:28:35
going but yeah I don't know I think when
00:28:37
it was just happening it was kind of
00:28:40
uh I just didn't think about it was I
00:28:42
loved those Sports and then there was a
00:28:45
team and they were so I was like I'll
00:28:47
train hard to get in that team and then
00:28:48
I saw another team and I was like oh I
00:28:50
want to be in that team and
00:28:51
lucky I had so much support and
00:28:54
financial support that there weren't
00:28:55
those barriers to stop me from achieving
00:28:58
that um but yeah I I I'm sure there'll
00:29:02
be one day probably when I finally
00:29:04
retire
00:29:06
sit back and just be so proud because I
00:29:08
sort of set goals
00:29:10
and then achieve them which sometimes
00:29:12
doesn't it doesn't work out like that so
00:29:15
yeah it's it's insane really like when
00:29:17
you think about it but I I don't know if
00:29:19
you ever will I don't I think you've
00:29:21
just got that sort of growth mindset
00:29:22
I've seen other people on the podcast
00:29:23
like this
00:29:24
um in the later stages of their career
00:29:26
like um Hannah Wilkinson from the
00:29:28
football ferns Kendra Cox Edge and so
00:29:30
yeah Sophie Devine and I feel like
00:29:32
you've all got the similar sort of
00:29:33
mindset where whatever you're doing in
00:29:34
life whether it's competitive sport or
00:29:36
something else you're going to be like
00:29:38
looking forward it's like a growth
00:29:39
mindset thing but you do want to pause
00:29:41
occasionally and think about how awesome
00:29:43
you are
00:29:45
oh yeah I could do with that right now
00:29:48
actually I think that my best
00:29:50
um it's been a bit of a Minefield and
00:29:53
like yeah just when I've got out there
00:29:56
just it's not quite going my way and
00:29:58
I've just got to sometimes stop and um
00:30:00
actually even with crickets sometimes I
00:30:03
do go back and watch footage because
00:30:04
sometimes you can feel a little bit like
00:30:07
out of rhythm in the middle and I'll go
00:30:09
back and just watch my Andres and then
00:30:11
I'm like whoa you're good and then
00:30:13
sometimes it's like an out of body of
00:30:15
experience you're like did I do that and
00:30:17
they're watching video of yourself
00:30:18
hitting boundaries so yeah maybe I'll
00:30:21
take some time in the next couple of
00:30:22
days while I'm in London people watching
00:30:24
just to think how I got here it's pretty
00:30:26
cool really yeah it's got to be a weird
00:30:28
thing and I don't know if this is
00:30:29
something you can explain or not but
00:30:30
yeah I suppose you have periods where
00:30:32
you just feel like you're a hot knife
00:30:34
going through hard butter and you go out
00:30:37
there and you know you you're in that
00:30:39
flow State the ball looks bigger and
00:30:41
just nothing goes wrong and then there's
00:30:43
periods where you're in like a form
00:30:44
slump and you try even harder and
00:30:47
nothing goes right yep that's exactly
00:30:50
yeah so like the harder you try the
00:30:52
worse it gets and
00:30:54
it is it's like these days and there's
00:30:56
periods where you're batting and you
00:30:58
feel like you have so much control of
00:31:01
where you're hitting the ball you have
00:31:02
so much time and
00:31:04
then there's times where you feel that
00:31:06
you don't know where your next run is
00:31:07
coming from and I don't reckon there'd
00:31:09
be one better in the world that's never
00:31:10
felt that and
00:31:11
you know what it feels like either way
00:31:14
but it's being able to actually get
00:31:17
yourself back to that space
00:31:19
um is easier said than done and yeah
00:31:21
that's kind of I mean that's space a
00:31:24
little bit at the moment where I seem to
00:31:25
just feel like I'm hitting the field and
00:31:26
then the frustration builds and you try
00:31:28
harder and harder and the worse it gets
00:31:30
but the sort of like one score and then
00:31:32
all of a sudden you're in that flow
00:31:34
State and as a batter there's nothing
00:31:36
better than being out in the middle when
00:31:38
you feel like you're just can't do
00:31:40
anything wrong you can't do anything
00:31:41
wrong it's like a sort of like a Zen
00:31:44
space that lots of matters talk about
00:31:45
where they just feel it's
00:31:48
um yeah it's kind of an outer body
00:31:50
experience where it's just flowing and
00:31:51
happening I suppose yeah I mean I guess
00:31:54
what anyone would tell you is would be
00:31:56
when you're in a like one of those
00:31:57
slumps it's just to like relax and have
00:31:59
fun but like what does that mean exactly
00:32:01
like you have fun and I'm like you know
00:32:04
it's not fun when you're not screwing
00:32:05
like it's fun when you're scoring runs
00:32:07
so it's like just have fun and then yeah
00:32:09
and I is so it is sweaty you play with
00:32:12
people all around the world and
00:32:14
everyone's been in form or out of form
00:32:17
whatever that really means but they yeah
00:32:19
Evans tries to be helpful but at the end
00:32:22
of the day it's only you that can fix
00:32:23
what's sort of going on upstairs and
00:32:25
that's kind of like the beauty of
00:32:28
cricket and the mess that way is that
00:32:30
it's so mental and you know it's your
00:32:32
mindset and that's you know the biggest
00:32:35
test of characters getting that mindset
00:32:38
right and being positive and staying
00:32:40
positive and that's why I think it's
00:32:42
just such a great game because that's
00:32:43
what life's about too is no matter
00:32:45
what's going on it's how you actually
00:32:47
choose to respond yeah and and and
00:32:50
um how do you how like how do you choose
00:32:52
I know you've got like um things that
00:32:55
you do like I know you're into
00:32:56
meditation and you'd like to journal do
00:32:59
you have much to do with a sports
00:33:00
psychologist
00:33:01
yeah we've had over the years lots of
00:33:03
those types of people involved and
00:33:07
um I built a really good report Gary
00:33:09
Hermanson he was actually at the 2008
00:33:12
Olympics not with basketball but as a
00:33:15
psychologist and then he's been around
00:33:17
Cricket so we have kind of connected
00:33:19
over the years and yeah I'll talk to him
00:33:22
about lots of different things and touch
00:33:24
base and I don't know there's just lots
00:33:26
of reading there's so many books out
00:33:29
there and just taking Snippets from
00:33:31
different books like merely and Sophie
00:33:34
love that sort of stuff too so it's
00:33:36
having conversations about
00:33:38
people's routines or their mental
00:33:40
processes
00:33:41
yeah so there's lots of ways to get
00:33:45
there and it's just making sure that you
00:33:46
actually do it daily I think initially
00:33:48
it was like we're not struggling then
00:33:50
I'd go to that whereas actually just
00:33:52
doing it daily and it's a constant
00:33:54
process then I think you have yeah less
00:33:57
of the ups and downs yeah much like much
00:34:00
like life
00:34:01
it is like that it's like um you know
00:34:04
the last few years I've had some mental
00:34:07
health like sort of struggle with some
00:34:09
um I've figured out what's good for me
00:34:10
but it's like you need that sort of like
00:34:12
plan uh in place the whole time not just
00:34:16
like oh [ __ ] I'm struggling but now it's
00:34:17
time to do it hey you need those good
00:34:19
habits yeah and like
00:34:22
even though you know what you need to do
00:34:24
it's actually doing it and that's when
00:34:27
you're feeling good you don't want it
00:34:28
yeah no exactly and that's yeah it's
00:34:31
like that self-care part of everything
00:34:33
and like that's harder than um
00:34:37
then it sounds sometimes but yeah it's I
00:34:40
don't know that cricket
00:34:42
I think is just the greatest game for
00:34:45
that sort of stuff because there's so
00:34:47
many highs and lows but it's all in
00:34:49
perspective as well but you still feel
00:34:50
it because that's what you do so yeah
00:34:52
and I know you love your running and
00:34:54
that's some something I really try and
00:34:56
do when I'm on tour because sometimes
00:34:58
you can play but actually like when
00:35:01
you're in London just getting out going
00:35:02
for a jog and millions of people
00:35:04
realizing that no one really cares about
00:35:07
what you're doing a cricket field at the
00:35:09
end of the day you care but it's very
00:35:11
small and the experience you like most
00:35:14
things in life I guess yeah um yeah I've
00:35:16
heard that you see you you're you're the
00:35:18
one that's most likely to like rally up
00:35:20
a few teammates and get out for a
00:35:22
morning run
00:35:23
yeah we love on tour especially later on
00:35:25
the tour everyone gets a bit tired but
00:35:27
when we first get some of the Run Club
00:35:29
the white fins run club and I've often
00:35:31
there's jet lag so we're awake at like
00:35:33
six o'clock so we're all excited by the
00:35:34
end of the Tour all sleeping until 10
00:35:36
but yeah I just think running is just
00:35:40
just like that's another thing like
00:35:41
Korea it's just such a beautiful thing
00:35:43
like you don't feel like doing it
00:35:44
sometimes you don't want to do it but
00:35:46
you never regret when you get out there
00:35:48
and running with other people it's like
00:35:50
the endorphins and I don't know getting
00:35:52
up going for a run with friends and
00:35:54
having brunch like you can't really be
00:35:56
in a bad mood after that something might
00:35:58
happen in the day but if you start your
00:36:00
day like that so when we're on tour I
00:36:02
know like people get homesick they miss
00:36:03
their friends and family I just think
00:36:05
it's a great way to start the day and
00:36:07
like when we're in Sri Lanka it was so
00:36:09
cool we like running along in these like
00:36:11
police guys running with us the tuk-tuks
00:36:14
there's like cows on the street and
00:36:15
we're like dodging and all these people
00:36:17
like clapping as we run past it was like
00:36:19
30 degrees and 90 humidity so they were
00:36:22
like what are they doing
00:36:26
lots of fun yeah I I agree like people
00:36:29
say oh you love running but it's like
00:36:30
well sometimes I love running and
00:36:32
sometimes I [ __ ] hate it but there's
00:36:34
there's one consistent with every single
00:36:37
run and that's as soon as I finish I
00:36:38
always feel amazing and I never regret
00:36:40
it and I feel good for hours afterwards
00:36:42
whether it was a good run or a bed run
00:36:44
it's magical so you you mentioned the
00:36:46
Olympics before so you went to the 2008
00:36:49
Olympics in Beijing that was for
00:36:51
basketball playing so you were like 19
00:36:53
at the time 20 at the time yeah 9 19
00:36:55
yeah yeah you see I've seen some photos
00:36:58
maybe on your Instagram review playing
00:36:59
it you look so young eh yeah the
00:37:03
freckles
00:37:04
no you still look incredibly young now
00:37:07
but you just look like a like a kid
00:37:10
that's crazy so you make the um the team
00:37:13
to go to the Olympics
00:37:15
um I'm guessing basketball there's
00:37:17
probably no expectation really of New
00:37:18
Zealand to win a medal right so you
00:37:19
you're kind of there as a tourist would
00:37:21
you say or is that is that a mean thing
00:37:23
to say no that's not at all I sort of
00:37:25
have
00:37:26
I look back on that X experience and
00:37:29
said I was so overweight
00:37:31
I was 19 from Dunedin and
00:37:34
I'd watch the Olympics on TV and I I was
00:37:37
like man that'll be cool to go to an
00:37:38
Olympics but I kind of didn't think it
00:37:41
was going to happen but it worked out
00:37:43
that Australia won the world Champs so
00:37:45
we had a easier qualification and I just
00:37:48
got there and every day I was like
00:37:50
overwhelmed you know like you were
00:37:51
seeing Roger Federer you was like even
00:37:54
the New Zealand athletes that we had at
00:37:56
the time like Valerie Adams and
00:37:58
the Hamish bonds and Eric Murray and the
00:38:02
gold medalists and you were kind of in
00:38:05
that bubble that for so long you just
00:38:07
watched on TV and um just walking around
00:38:09
the village and there was free stuff
00:38:11
everywhere and there's this massive Food
00:38:13
Hall with a 24-hour McDonald's which was
00:38:16
like you just got off ignored a 12 Big
00:38:18
Macs if you wanted to obviously we were
00:38:20
athletes um and yeah we
00:38:24
competed hard but like we I don't know
00:38:27
where our ranking was but the fact that
00:38:29
we won our first game and we didn't win
00:38:31
any games after that but we uh
00:38:33
definitely parted afterwards yeah that's
00:38:36
what you'd hope with the Olympics I
00:38:38
guess it's someone that's that's never
00:38:39
never been never has a chance of going
00:38:41
you just want to get your event over and
00:38:42
done with early so you can enjoy the
00:38:44
whole Olympic experience there'd be
00:38:45
nothing worth saying than you know
00:38:47
having your event on the last day or
00:38:49
something so did you guys take advantage
00:38:50
of the McDonald's or do you have it's
00:38:53
quite weird isn't it because I suppose
00:38:54
they're a big sponsor of the Olympics
00:38:56
but you don't associate necessarily
00:38:58
McDonald's with um you know the elite
00:39:00
yeah Sports people of the world did you
00:39:02
have like a nutritionist or anyone on
00:39:04
your team that's like now girls easier
00:39:06
is he on the big mix
00:39:08
well it was cut like and I I guess go in
00:39:12
there with the expectation to win gold
00:39:14
you can't embrace it how we embraced it
00:39:17
yeah it's a different experience we
00:39:19
played we got there we trained hard we
00:39:21
ate well but when we'd finished you
00:39:23
can't let you stay until everyone leaves
00:39:26
what a shame they probably do it
00:39:28
different now it's covered but like the
00:39:30
New Zealand athletes we I think we had
00:39:32
nine days where we'd finished and we got
00:39:34
to stay at the village and I was like
00:39:36
what do they expect us to do like we
00:39:38
just went out every night and would end
00:39:41
up at McDonald's every night and but
00:39:43
there it's funny you turn up to the
00:39:45
Olympics well this was my experience and
00:39:48
everyone at the start keeps themselves
00:39:49
as very serious training and then it
00:39:52
slowly just capitulates to like this uni
00:39:56
college party and there's unfortunate
00:39:59
athletes that are at the end but you can
00:40:01
just see everyone just gets loose
00:40:02
because for four years some of these oh
00:40:04
yeah highly strung for four years just
00:40:06
thinking about this every day so so we
00:40:09
were part of that and we got amongst it
00:40:11
and it was yeah
00:40:12
those people that I had that work with
00:40:14
are some of my closest mates we just are
00:40:16
spread out all over the world and we
00:40:18
don't see each other but we had a good
00:40:19
time and your your whole family went
00:40:22
over to watch and support as well that
00:40:23
must have been incredible it was very
00:40:25
cool and I remember sort of the moment
00:40:27
that like with my older brothers I was
00:40:29
like yeah I'm at the Olympics and like
00:40:32
I've made it and they they're proud of
00:40:35
me and I'm sure they always were but
00:40:36
that was kind of a moment for me and I
00:40:38
was getting them into After parties so
00:40:40
that made me feel like I was the cool
00:40:41
younger sister so I remember looking up
00:40:43
and the stands when the first national
00:40:46
anthem came on and they were all there
00:40:47
so yeah that was the first time probably
00:40:50
in my International career that I'd had
00:40:53
everyone watching me so were you like
00:40:57
nervous at the time like have you ever
00:40:59
sort of suffered like a thing called
00:41:00
imposter syndrome or or no were you just
00:41:03
sort of
00:41:04
I deserve to be here I belong here we
00:41:06
didn't just didn't even sort of think
00:41:08
about it
00:41:10
that I got drops the toward just before
00:41:14
the Olympic selection so I remember
00:41:16
missing out on the 12 and I was like oh
00:41:18
my Olympic dream's over but I gave it
00:41:21
everything and I sort of accepted that
00:41:22
but that tour didn't go very well so
00:41:25
then I just was I'm just going to train
00:41:27
as hard as I can until this whole
00:41:30
campaign's over and they came back and
00:41:32
like unfortunately some people in that
00:41:35
Squad had failed but I almost hadn't
00:41:37
been in the coach's eyes and I'd worked
00:41:39
really hard and so I felt lucky to make
00:41:42
the 12 so when I got there I didn't
00:41:44
really feel the expectation I knew I'd
00:41:46
be on the bench but I just every time I
00:41:48
went on I was gonna
00:41:49
give it my goal and I actually had
00:41:52
probably one of my best games for New
00:41:54
Zealand at the Olympics against Spain
00:41:57
um and that was quite a cool moment
00:41:59
because after that I thought I can
00:42:01
actually really compete at International
00:42:02
level where I always felt otago level
00:42:05
but the next step up and playing against
00:42:07
proper International Teams I didn't
00:42:10
quite believe I had the school but that
00:42:11
was a moment there I can do this yeah
00:42:14
yeah good for you and and you mentioned
00:42:16
Roger Federer before like did you did
00:42:18
you meet anyone like at the Olympics or
00:42:21
did you leave them alone you sort of see
00:42:23
them from actually this is probably
00:42:25
before like phones with cameras right
00:42:27
not quite that there were cameras but
00:42:29
like on shitty nokias or yeah and I was
00:42:33
I don't know I was too shy which is a
00:42:35
sort of a regret because it's the most
00:42:37
Dunedin thing ever I know and you feel
00:42:38
like like everyone's doing everyone's
00:42:41
there doing the same things you don't
00:42:42
want to pester you're not like a fan you
00:42:45
felt like you were an athlete and if
00:42:46
everyone was coming up to you you're
00:42:48
going to be annoying so but I sort of
00:42:50
regret that because it was my one chance
00:42:51
but we did meet the dream team which was
00:42:55
the highlight of my entire life oh the
00:42:57
US men's team yes
00:42:59
yeah what was the circumstances
00:43:06
from other Olympic athletes
00:43:09
better be like what what an Olympics
00:43:11
they had um
00:43:12
this we've been and watched the men's
00:43:14
final and the security guards was like
00:43:19
everyone was cheering for Spain and they
00:43:21
were like a huge here for us you can
00:43:23
come to the after party
00:43:25
and I don't even know how that really
00:43:27
happened but I didn't really believe it
00:43:28
we went back to the village and then
00:43:31
next minute of the school was like the
00:43:32
bus is here we've got to go we've got to
00:43:34
go and we rushed out and it was the
00:43:36
basket the men's American basketball
00:43:38
team on the bus and we got taken to this
00:43:40
rooftop party they had all these
00:43:42
curtains pulled on the bus and they were
00:43:44
like no selfies no photos we had to go
00:43:47
off the back of the bus they went off
00:43:48
the front and then we're up in this
00:43:50
rooftop party with the Dream Team just
00:43:54
hanging out
00:43:56
so that's when I said out loud it's
00:43:58
still I'm like I don't even know how it
00:43:59
happened but it did it's born because
00:44:01
yeah so LeBron James was on the team
00:44:03
Kobe was Kobe in the team yeah Kobe was
00:44:05
in the team you made him I did meet Kobe
00:44:07
which um
00:44:09
yeah they were having a good time the
00:44:11
the men's team but yeah it was what do
00:44:14
you mean what's the interaction or the
00:44:16
conversation well we just got put in
00:44:18
this like Booth with all these free
00:44:20
drinks and they were sort of sitting
00:44:22
around and one of the girls and I was
00:44:25
like oh my gosh it's so embarrassing it
00:44:27
was like she plays Cricket for New
00:44:28
Zealand
00:44:30
and I'll never forget Dwyane Wade who
00:44:32
was
00:44:34
at the time one of my favorites he was
00:44:36
like you're telling me you play a game
00:44:38
for five days and you don't get a result
00:44:40
that's what he knew about cricket and I
00:44:42
was like oh and I was just so awkward
00:44:44
and shy um but we just I don't know we
00:44:47
just talked and partied and I just
00:44:50
I don't even know I probably didn't say
00:44:52
much because I was like so yeah and
00:44:54
David Beckham was at the party
00:44:58
well oh you almost overlooked that one
00:45:01
oh yeah oh yeah by the way he was an
00:45:04
extra VIP section
00:45:06
um Dirk nowitzky was around those
00:45:08
Olympics is
00:45:11
um a pretty big time player and
00:45:13
yeah we just partied with celebrities
00:45:17
unbelievable I thought the All Blacks
00:45:20
you know would call and then I went to
00:45:21
the Olympics oh yeah that's no that's
00:45:23
that's next level so it was LeBron a big
00:45:25
deal at the time it was this fairly
00:45:26
early on in his
00:45:30
what if you remember about him as he
00:45:34
was himself
00:45:37
it's like hi I'm LeBron I'm like no [ __ ]
00:45:39
yeah we know mate yeah isn't that funny
00:45:42
isn't that funny so
00:45:44
um
00:45:45
I'm going to drop a name here nowhere as
00:45:47
good as your name dropped though but um
00:45:48
uh one of my friends Christian used to
00:45:50
play I loved Christian and um many years
00:45:53
ago uh Tiger Woods came to New Zealand
00:45:56
to play the New Zealand golf open in
00:45:57
paraparaumo and Christian and a bunch of
00:46:00
other All Blacks they they got the
00:46:01
chance to go there and meet them so
00:46:03
they're waiting in the car park
00:46:04
specifically for Tiger to turn up so
00:46:06
they can meet him I mean tiger gets out
00:46:08
of his car and goes around everyone and
00:46:09
does the same thing like hi I'm Tiger
00:46:10
Woods and Christian's like yeah I know
00:46:13
who the [ __ ] you are like we've been
00:46:14
waiting here 45 minutes for you isn't
00:46:16
there something so LeBron's the same
00:46:17
yeah he yeah made a point it was really
00:46:20
friendly and I just yeah I was like hi
00:46:23
I'm sitting here but yeah very cool it
00:46:27
was um I I really don't even know how we
00:46:29
got ourselves in that position but it
00:46:32
was
00:46:33
um the highlight of the Olympics other
00:46:34
than the first game that we won of
00:46:36
course
00:46:36
yes I'm sure the um yeah the New Zealand
00:46:40
Olympic Committee was Sports funding New
00:46:42
Zealand would hate to hear that
00:46:43
highlight of the [ __ ] games as
00:46:45
meetings yeah
00:46:46
um so what do you get like a a
00:46:49
participation like medal or certificate
00:46:51
you know saying you made the New Zealand
00:46:53
Squad and like what's the trinkets or
00:46:56
souvenirs do you get you get a lot these
00:46:59
um it's actually really cool like you
00:47:01
get a number so you're Olympian I think
00:47:03
as 194 and you get a bed and that's your
00:47:05
number forever
00:47:07
um you get like this photo board of
00:47:10
every single athlete that attended that
00:47:13
Olympics
00:47:14
um
00:47:14
you know there's lots of like we've got
00:47:17
a ponamu fern
00:47:20
yeah and I've kept so much of that stuff
00:47:22
so let a Blazer uniform and
00:47:26
idea just that you're an Olympic Athlete
00:47:29
and I think what's really cool is I got
00:47:31
when we went with Cricket to the
00:47:33
Commonwealth Games is that was about
00:47:35
middling so I felt like I'd had the
00:47:38
experience of participating and being
00:47:41
involved and then the Commonwealth Games
00:47:43
it was like we're here to win a medal
00:47:44
and it was a different experience so
00:47:46
sort of got the best of both yeah yeah
00:47:49
yeah it's funny that I yeah two very I
00:47:51
mean there's yeah so there's the the
00:47:54
Olympics where you're going as a
00:47:55
basketball player so no expectations of
00:47:57
doing well
00:47:58
um and then you Commonwealth Games as a
00:47:59
cricketer where like if you guys got a
00:48:02
bronze but I suppose like anything less
00:48:03
than it coming home with the middle you
00:48:05
know people would call you chokers
00:48:06
because the expectations that High
00:48:08
um but also there's the age difference
00:48:10
as well
00:48:11
you're very young at the Olympics
00:48:12
probably like a bit naive you know
00:48:15
and then you sort of I wouldn't
00:48:16
experienced you know one of the like key
00:48:18
members of the squad for the com games
00:48:20
yeah it was I like remember thinking
00:48:24
like there's so many distractions of uh
00:48:28
games whether it's Olympic or
00:48:29
Commonwealth Games
00:48:31
and I remember just talking to some of
00:48:33
the young girls because I was like
00:48:34
Embrace that like but know when it's
00:48:37
time to not Embrace that because we
00:48:39
probably am impressed a whole lot more
00:48:42
back in 2008 but it was like don't not
00:48:45
embrace it because you need to get to
00:48:47
the Village be amongst to be just an
00:48:49
athlete not a cricketer but then when
00:48:51
it's time to go to training and Cricket
00:48:53
let's make sure we're here and we're
00:48:55
doing our job and then we can switch off
00:48:57
and we had a lot of young players so I
00:48:59
felt it was almost a benefit to have
00:49:01
been there before and know what to
00:49:03
expect but yeah to stand on that Podium
00:49:06
um that was yeah that's also one of my
00:49:09
highlights so
00:49:10
um
00:49:11
but there's been so many highlights as
00:49:15
we discussed before you're not one that
00:49:16
spends much time like looking back but
00:49:19
um one day maybe that time will come and
00:49:21
um [ __ ] there's a lot of highlights to
00:49:23
get through where is that bronze medal
00:49:24
been not being a sock drawer
00:49:26
no idea what was annoying as I because
00:49:29
we were on the road after that for a
00:49:31
long time so I had to send the bag home
00:49:34
um it's in
00:49:35
like I've got because my parents moved
00:49:38
house and my house I didn't want too
00:49:41
much clutter but I've got one box that
00:49:43
sits in my bookshelf with that middle I
00:49:48
think it's got like I have like a
00:49:49
hundredth kept from the white Ferns and
00:49:51
it's got a few of the really special
00:49:53
things but yeah that's funny you get
00:49:55
those things but you don't really sit
00:49:57
them out on display so something oh I
00:50:00
would yeah maybe yeah maybe one day
00:50:02
you'll get like just a room a dark room
00:50:05
yeah but yeah I have them and sometimes
00:50:08
I know when you're moving or shifting
00:50:11
you do get out and you're sort of
00:50:13
Reminisce yeah it's a very humble way to
00:50:15
be a
00:50:16
I don't know do you think that's because
00:50:19
if like from us from a reasonably small
00:50:21
city in New Zealand or is it just how
00:50:23
you are as a person
00:50:25
uh
00:50:26
I think it's probably how my family
00:50:29
brought me up and I've always had
00:50:33
three siblings there I think keep you
00:50:35
pretty grounded and I think it is a
00:50:38
little bit the Dunedin and otago way we
00:50:41
don't
00:50:42
I don't know we not too showy no we're
00:50:45
not showy at all and
00:50:47
I don't know I just always feel like
00:50:50
what I do and this is gonna sound
00:50:52
probably a bit bad but it's sort of
00:50:54
insignificant in the scheme of really
00:50:57
important stuff that goes on I I get to
00:51:00
do a hobby or a passion and it's quite a
00:51:02
selfish Pursuit so I'm like I know like
00:51:06
I'm proud of what I've done but it's
00:51:09
also not as important as a lot of other
00:51:12
stuff out there so yeah I don't know
00:51:13
what about your degree so you've got a
00:51:16
degree like a sports Society by the way
00:51:17
I don't know how you've fed all this
00:51:19
stuff up
00:51:20
you know Cricket for New Zealand
00:51:22
basketball for New Zealand and a degree
00:51:23
to fall back on just in case sport
00:51:25
didn't work out spoiler alert it's
00:51:27
worked out just fine but like most
00:51:29
people I think get their degree framed
00:51:30
and have it have it hanging somewhere
00:51:32
ship my Doctor Who's in his 60s she used
00:51:34
to go to her degree hanging on the wall
00:51:36
where's yours is it in that box well
00:51:39
it's now in a box it was hanging in my
00:51:40
room at my parents house because that
00:51:42
was that took me six years and that was
00:51:45
that was a battle because I started for
00:51:48
Zed school and at time I wasn't like I'm
00:51:51
going to get paid to play sports so it
00:51:52
was really important I was like I need
00:51:53
to get this done while I'm doing my
00:51:55
hobbies is what it felt like but then
00:51:57
there'd be a trip to India or a trip to
00:51:59
England and then I'd sort of put it off
00:52:01
or there's just something exciting
00:52:04
coming up and uni was just so boring
00:52:06
compared to traveling the world playing
00:52:08
sport but I sort of just kept chipping
00:52:09
away and I'm so glad I did even though
00:52:13
at the time oh yeah why if it doesn't
00:52:15
feel like a waste of years like you're
00:52:16
never going to use that degree no no but
00:52:18
because I was I was still doing what I
00:52:21
wanted to do as well it wasn't like it
00:52:24
was
00:52:25
to sacrifice getting those opportunities
00:52:28
I could train you know like you can't
00:52:30
train all day so using my brain in other
00:52:32
ways and
00:52:33
just to finish it and if it hadn't
00:52:35
worked out had I got injured or
00:52:37
something at least they kind of had that
00:52:40
um and I I probably that's up with some
00:52:42
of the younger players I'm like keep
00:52:44
using your brain not to sacrifice being
00:52:47
the best cricketer you can be but I
00:52:49
think it's healthy yeah so what was your
00:52:51
Dunedin experience like did you did you
00:52:52
flatten it all you just lived at home no
00:52:54
my I'd say that so I wasn't a true scarf
00:52:57
you're like a bit of a nerd I suppose it
00:52:59
like you were you know doing your sports
00:53:01
stuff so you're probably training a lot
00:53:02
you've probably never got into the hole
00:53:05
no it wasn't great
00:53:08
the bows to be fair still I'm still not
00:53:10
uh I think that's something to be proud
00:53:13
of though I have an alter ego let's see
00:53:16
yeah
00:53:19
that's what happens when um Susie has a
00:53:21
bit too much to drink so we try to or
00:53:23
when I was younger bits he came out more
00:53:25
often she makes an appearance every now
00:53:27
and then there's a running joke I guess
00:53:29
bitsy out tonight or is it just because
00:53:31
Susie's boring to everyone else um but
00:53:33
yeah I don't know I sort of was at home
00:53:35
and not I didn't like flat or go into
00:53:38
holes I've flooded a couple of years
00:53:41
later but I was sort of there trying to
00:53:43
get it done and then I'd go off and play
00:53:44
sports so it was a very different
00:53:45
experience it never went to a castle
00:53:48
Street party I never went to there I
00:53:50
went into like the old Captain Cook
00:53:52
Tavern like the Sunday sessions
00:53:53
occasionally
00:53:54
um I don't know why it's a bad idea but
00:53:57
obviously it's such a bitsy thing yeah
00:53:59
so what's um what's bitsy like uh when
00:54:03
did she come out is it like three drinks
00:54:04
four drinks
00:54:06
uh probably three now that's right yeah
00:54:08
uh she just is very excitable and up for
00:54:11
anything I'm like sensible Susie and
00:54:13
then Betsy is just like let's go
00:54:15
I reckon to get out of this form slump
00:54:17
you're talking about at the moment I
00:54:18
reckon carefully quiets and get bitsy
00:54:20
out there give it to you go with the bet
00:54:21
we did give it a good nudge on Tuesday
00:54:23
the group actually there's because we
00:54:25
played four games in eight days
00:54:27
and so there's a ship that's like parked
00:54:30
right outside a hotel like docked but
00:54:32
they it's like a bar outdoor bar so we
00:54:34
booked a table and we did have a few
00:54:36
drinks which was nice actually because
00:54:37
everyone was a bit gutted after
00:54:39
Tuesday's game so it is there's a time
00:54:41
and a place for it I think to switch off
00:54:43
not you don't always need alcohol but
00:54:45
sometimes there's a team that's um a
00:54:47
good way to kind of connect and yeah let
00:54:50
you hear down a bit yeah yeah all right
00:54:52
so we've talked about LeBron before and
00:54:55
and David Beckham um I scrolled way back
00:54:57
through your Instagram
00:54:59
um there's some other celebrities as
00:55:01
well like uh Charlie Watts the late
00:55:03
drummer for The Rolling Stones there's a
00:55:04
photo of you with Charlie Watts yeah
00:55:06
that's enough I just don't know how they
00:55:08
I've just been in the right place at the
00:55:09
right time um so they loved Cricket the
00:55:12
Rolling Stones and they were touring
00:55:14
Australia and they were in Perth and
00:55:16
they came to the weka for like a tour of
00:55:18
the ground and we happened to be
00:55:20
training and there was another overseas
00:55:22
player at the time and they came and she
00:55:24
was from England so then they met her
00:55:27
and then we got VIP tickets a group of
00:55:30
us from the weka we went backstage with
00:55:33
Mick Jagger and I never forget he had
00:55:35
like one shoe
00:55:37
off like his Barefoot the other shoe on
00:55:39
and head Cricket on the there must have
00:55:41
been a test match on and they were
00:55:42
watching the cricket what was he up to I
00:55:44
don't know
00:55:45
it was so odd and I was like was it in
00:55:49
the process of getting getting dressed
00:55:50
or I haven't he must have been we just
00:55:52
came in but he just I just remember
00:55:54
there's a bit one Barefoot watching the
00:55:55
cricket and they just were getting ready
00:55:58
to go on stage and then we had really
00:56:00
good seats and I just remember thinking
00:56:03
for his age like that performance was
00:56:06
intense but I thought he was going to
00:56:07
pass out because there's nothing to him
00:56:09
and he was just up and about the whole
00:56:11
performance but yeah I that was pretty I
00:56:15
didn't probably appreciate it yeah what
00:56:18
sort of um were you like a musical
00:56:20
household growing up were your parents
00:56:21
into music or did you know who the
00:56:24
Rolling Stones were or I mean everyone
00:56:25
knows who they are but you're a fan of
00:56:27
the music not really yeah I feel like it
00:56:29
was wasted on me because I I wasn't a
00:56:31
massive fan I thought it was pretty cool
00:56:32
but like I wasn't a huge fan my dad
00:56:35
played the guitar and loved singing and
00:56:38
we loved just like around the campfire
00:56:39
the old guitar and Tom was pretty into
00:56:42
his music like I remember pill jam CDs
00:56:46
um getting smashed on road chips but I
00:56:49
love music but yeah I felt like everyone
00:56:51
was like well and we got drumsticks
00:56:53
signed by
00:56:54
Charlie Shane
00:56:56
yeah Charlie Charlie wow really is that
00:57:02
in the special box no I have kept them
00:57:03
because Tom was like they're worth
00:57:05
something so yeah and he's passed away
00:57:07
now when when this is very crass but
00:57:09
when these celebrities die the
00:57:11
memorabilia goes that goes up a lot in
00:57:13
value not that you're worried about
00:57:14
money these days
00:57:16
so no no photo of Mick Jagger
00:57:18
no because it was we were oh we might
00:57:21
have got a group photo
00:57:23
we were with the um the Western Cricket
00:57:26
Association there's like a group of us
00:57:28
so Justin Langer was the head coach at
00:57:30
the time so he was there
00:57:32
um and we sort of just got shown around
00:57:34
backstage and I just kind of was there
00:57:36
for the ride but yeah Susie these
00:57:38
stories are incredible
00:57:40
I know yeah unbelievable it's actually
00:57:43
nice to sit and just you know talk about
00:57:44
them because you don't go hey guess what
00:57:46
I'm in Mick Jagger do you because you
00:57:48
yeah well I wouldn't have even known
00:57:50
this unless I went real deep on your on
00:57:52
your early Instagram stuff but it's
00:57:54
amazing like there's never going to be
00:57:56
another it's hard to imagine there's
00:57:57
going to be another band ever like the
00:57:59
Rolling Stones like the people are still
00:58:00
pulling out Arenas and stadiums and
00:58:02
they've been together like I think Mick
00:58:03
Jagger just recently turned 80. they
00:58:05
were incredible for their age like
00:58:07
yeah it was inspiring stuff sure and
00:58:10
you'd you would have been frothing more
00:58:11
Eddie Vedder or someone yeah
00:58:16
that's unbelievable next time it happens
00:58:19
I'll just um get you the inbox at least
00:58:23
do yourself a favor and get a photo
00:58:25
um okay any other celebrities I need to
00:58:27
know about
00:58:28
no I think they're the top of the tree
00:58:30
I'm guessing every cricketer in the game
00:58:33
um I hope like who are you really tight
00:58:35
with or who who have you got that's like
00:58:37
a mentor are there any mentors that
00:58:38
you've got
00:58:40
is anyone like um say like if if if you
00:58:44
know if you're betting poorly or
00:58:45
something happens does like Brendan
00:58:46
McCallum text you and say hey I've been
00:58:48
watching yeah she did though oh really
00:58:50
uh
00:58:52
in like not really from the men's game
00:58:55
but I've just had coaches over the years
00:58:57
um
00:58:58
so Craig come in at the moment is the
00:59:01
otago women's Coach and so he's kept in
00:59:05
touch and like he's really supportive uh
00:59:07
Warren Lee's who used to coach
00:59:10
um Now sort of retired and Clyde but
00:59:12
I'll ring him every now and then and he
00:59:14
just makes me laugh really but he
00:59:16
coached otago for five years coached the
00:59:18
white fins for one tournament and I just
00:59:21
really enjoyed his philosophy so he's
00:59:23
been a bit of a I guess just someone to
00:59:26
chew the fat over especially when I was
00:59:28
Captain and like struggled with some of
00:59:31
that stuff just to talk to a voice that
00:59:33
was outside of the group
00:59:35
um Mike shrimpton probably had the
00:59:36
biggest influence on my betting but he
00:59:39
passed away sadly for probably 2014 Just
00:59:43
when I'd done a lot of work with him for
00:59:46
my batting but
00:59:47
like he just got the mental side of the
00:59:49
game and you could talk to him about
00:59:50
anything so he was a huge influence and
00:59:52
yeah those are probably the people that
00:59:56
I go to other than my family and
00:59:59
um you know there's people in the
01:00:01
cricket team that you
01:00:03
you talk to like
01:00:04
um
01:00:05
yeah like Amy sethway it was around
01:00:07
Katie Martin so I feel like I've always
01:00:09
had people around that you can talk to
01:00:11
about anything which is really important
01:00:12
when you're away from your family and
01:00:14
friends for so long you need those
01:00:16
people and it's not everyone but there's
01:00:18
people that you're closer to yeah
01:00:21
um yeah let's talk about Amy's Amy Seth
01:00:22
this way sir that's pretty good
01:00:27
um
01:00:28
yeah there's um uh stalking your
01:00:32
Instagram there's a post that you wrote
01:00:33
to her maybe about a year ago
01:00:35
um after she missed out on selection
01:00:38
it's a heartbreaking post by the way
01:00:39
it's like a it's a beautiful tribute but
01:00:42
it's um it's a really hard read so she
01:00:44
just wasn't selected for the team
01:00:47
yeah we after the Homeworld cup the
01:00:50
expectation was that we'd make the
01:00:52
semi-final and
01:00:54
we just had some really close games and
01:00:57
we didn't perform a as a senior batting
01:01:00
group
01:01:01
and we haven't perhaps nailed that in
01:01:05
the last few World Cups and they made
01:01:07
some massive change in Amy and Katie
01:01:11
Madden retired through her own will but
01:01:14
Amy was Keen to keep playing and they
01:01:15
made their decision for her and
01:01:17
yeah it was just really hard at the time
01:01:19
because I felt like we were very similar
01:01:22
in terms of our age our experience our
01:01:25
contributions to the team and I sort of
01:01:28
thought why her and not me it could have
01:01:29
easily been either of us and
01:01:33
yeah it was kind of a kick up the bum as
01:01:35
well to not take your position for
01:01:37
granted which I don't think I ever have
01:01:39
but it was just a reminder and yeah I
01:01:42
just really felt for her because she
01:01:43
desperately
01:01:44
wanted to keep playing and someone else
01:01:47
made that decision I know that happens
01:01:48
in sport and that yeah it's no one's
01:01:50
it's no one's right to keep playing but
01:01:53
yeah just what she'd done for the game
01:01:54
it was hard to watch and
01:01:57
yeah we mess around the group but um
01:01:59
obviously with Leah and the team and
01:02:01
Grace their little girl traveled with us
01:02:04
a lot so we've stayed pretty connected
01:02:06
but yeah she's moved on but I think it's
01:02:09
just sad when you know it's done that
01:02:12
way and probably wasn't the best way it
01:02:14
could have been managed so you feel for
01:02:16
you feel for her and you just hope that
01:02:18
you get the choice but you may not well
01:02:22
that's that's the thing you only go out
01:02:23
two ways a and I suppose that's the
01:02:25
thing knowing when to when to pull the
01:02:26
pen and you love it so much that you
01:02:28
don't want to pull the pull the pin
01:02:29
unnecessarily early but
01:02:31
yeah yeah that's a tough one yeah I mean
01:02:35
everyone would want to go out on their
01:02:37
own terms like you say yeah and very few
01:02:39
athletes I think in cricket get that
01:02:42
opportunity so
01:02:44
I think
01:02:45
that's accepting that and having that as
01:02:48
a realization but yeah I have to think
01:02:50
about that constantly like when is when
01:02:52
is the right time because this is it's
01:02:54
hard when like this was your dream and
01:02:57
this is all I've wanted to do whether it
01:03:00
was cricket or not be an athlete now I'm
01:03:01
living my dream you're financially
01:03:03
rewarded so it's sort of yeah not
01:03:06
hanging in too long you want to make
01:03:08
sure you're still contributing
01:03:10
um but maybe sometimes you need someone
01:03:12
to tap you on the shoulder maybe you
01:03:14
just
01:03:15
Betsy you've ever said you're welcome
01:03:17
and you get or you have the opportunity
01:03:19
to go out but
01:03:21
yeah I don't know I just know once I'm
01:03:23
done it's forever and that's exciting
01:03:27
um but I just love it and I you know
01:03:29
some people don't enjoy training anymore
01:03:30
or touring I'm a pretty good tourist and
01:03:33
I love training it's just that purpose
01:03:35
of getting up um and achieving so yeah
01:03:38
there's going to be a void no matter
01:03:40
what but I'll probably go out running
01:03:41
and maybe I'll join you on some
01:03:44
some events yeah you do some runs I've
01:03:46
heard that you're quite Keen to do the
01:03:48
old ghost Ultra at some point I think
01:03:50
that looks so cool yeah I do because I'm
01:03:53
not roadrunning probably with I've had a
01:03:55
few sort of plant Fisher and heel issues
01:03:57
but I love the trail running just being
01:03:59
in nature so I do think once I finish
01:04:02
I'm going to enter some sort of race a
01:04:04
year out so it gives me that kind of
01:04:07
motivation but we'll see what that is
01:04:08
yeah maybe our ghost is a bit far first
01:04:10
up I think it's yeah what is it 89ks
01:04:12
89ks I think
01:04:14
um whatever happens next I I I've got no
01:04:18
doubt that you'll be sweet like um some
01:04:20
of the people I've interviewed on this
01:04:21
podcast it's like
01:04:23
um the sports side of things ends but
01:04:25
it's whatever you do next you're going
01:04:27
to be [ __ ] good at because it's
01:04:28
slightly is transferable skills you know
01:04:30
you you're discipline and your work
01:04:32
ethic and the growth mindset you've got
01:04:34
so whatever you do you're going to be
01:04:36
amazing it may not be on the same sort
01:04:38
of stage but you're gonna be you're
01:04:39
going to be good because it's just how
01:04:40
you go as a person I think that's
01:04:42
exciting too yeah and it is and you kind
01:04:45
of don't know until you stop because
01:04:47
this takes up so much of your time but
01:04:49
it's really nice place to be in because
01:04:51
I've kind of accepted all of that and no
01:04:54
you're at peace yeah I'm at peace with
01:04:56
what I've achieved and what I've done
01:04:58
and I know it'll end and like I've just
01:05:02
loved honestly I've Loved all aspects of
01:05:05
it like I've loved the hard times which
01:05:08
sounds so silly but I think the good
01:05:10
times have just been so much better
01:05:12
because there's been some struggles and
01:05:14
that you feel like even back in the day
01:05:17
you felt like woman sport just wasn't
01:05:19
appreciated or
01:05:21
you know what you did wasn't valued and
01:05:24
now it is and that's a really cool
01:05:26
feeling yeah yeah well um so Kendrick
01:05:28
oxygi who I had on the podcast after the
01:05:30
uh the Women's World Cup last year
01:05:32
um she was saying in the early days like
01:05:34
they'd hand me down jerseys and we're
01:05:36
flying economy class everywhere so she's
01:05:38
probably in a different sport but
01:05:40
similar situation to you where she's got
01:05:42
the privilege of you know going through
01:05:44
those Bleak years and having some
01:05:46
enjoyable years at the end
01:05:48
yeah and it's it's just a feeling of it
01:05:52
was kind of like no one really took
01:05:55
notice or
01:05:56
care does that's a strong word but um
01:05:59
and then it was kind of like there was a
01:06:01
phase where I reckon people pretended to
01:06:03
care and tried really hard to invest in
01:06:05
care and then it was like the genuine
01:06:08
care and passion and like understanding
01:06:11
that and it's not just in qriket we've
01:06:13
watched it unfold in all female sports
01:06:15
where they saw you know they've seen on
01:06:19
the same level as their male
01:06:20
counterparts and like it's genuine and
01:06:23
that's what's really cool watching the
01:06:25
football World Cup at home like that
01:06:27
first game gave me goosebumps and every
01:06:29
time I see picked out stadiums for
01:06:32
female sport I just like makes me so
01:06:34
happy yeah oh no it's it's amazing um
01:06:37
and the Nick A friend of mine has got a
01:06:39
nine-year-old son called Benjamin and he
01:06:42
sometimes he'll get out of bed in the
01:06:43
middle of the night and she'll be like
01:06:45
what's the noise and he'll be in the TV
01:06:46
watching whatever whatever cricket's on
01:06:49
TV women's means whatever yeah some
01:06:51
obscure like Indian League thing in the
01:06:54
middle of the night he'll be watching
01:06:55
the games and it's like yeah you guys
01:06:57
are you guys are heroes now so I heard
01:06:59
when you were growing up with your
01:07:00
brothers who who were you who are you
01:07:02
pretending to be were you like um
01:07:04
Chris Keynes and Nathan astel probably
01:07:08
not Mark Richardson no one was
01:07:09
pretending to be Mark Richardson no
01:07:12
um are you one of the boys at one of the
01:07:14
girls no it's when there's a thing is
01:07:15
like what is cool though they played the
01:07:18
2000 World Cup which New Zealand won
01:07:21
on TV and I'd watched boys and I was
01:07:26
like Nathan Nestle's so cool but you
01:07:28
kind of didn't it's not like you won you
01:07:30
couldn't be them so you didn't think
01:07:31
about that you didn't have aspirations
01:07:33
to play for New Zealand and it wasn't
01:07:34
until I saw the white fans I was like
01:07:36
cool like I want to be a white fan and
01:07:39
that's what is so cool now as like young
01:07:43
girls can be and boys can be anything
01:07:45
they want because it's in their face and
01:07:47
it's like the norm so it's not like
01:07:49
women's sport or men's sport or women's
01:07:52
Cricket men's crickets just cricket and
01:07:53
they 100 a boy could their favorite
01:07:55
player could be Sophie Divine that could
01:07:58
be okay
01:08:00
it could end like they don't if a girl
01:08:03
was playing in their cricket team you
01:08:06
know it was a bit of my day it was like
01:08:07
oh this dear girl whereas now it's just
01:08:10
like the norm and that's they don't know
01:08:12
any different which is really cool yeah
01:08:13
I think it's fantastic and how's how's
01:08:16
your mental health been over the years
01:08:17
yeah I mean it's it's a tough sport I
01:08:19
mean you said before like it's mentally
01:08:21
a big thing is your mental health been
01:08:23
good I mentioned Sophie's been on the
01:08:24
podcast and I'm guessing you were sort
01:08:26
of with her in the squad at that time
01:08:28
where she had like a horrendous
01:08:30
breakdown
01:08:31
is yours been good yeah like I feel like
01:08:34
everyone's got a spectrum of mental
01:08:37
health and obviously
01:08:39
Sophie and merely have had
01:08:42
real battles and they've been really
01:08:44
open about it which I think has really
01:08:46
helped players in our environment and
01:08:47
they've talked about it
01:08:49
um
01:08:50
yeah I feel like
01:08:52
with my mental health there's been times
01:08:55
when it's been low on the Spectrum
01:08:57
there's times when it's up here and I've
01:09:00
always felt like I've had really good
01:09:02
support and strategies
01:09:05
and knowing what to do when I'm here
01:09:07
I've never felt like I haven't been able
01:09:09
to take care of myself so I've never
01:09:11
been at that end where
01:09:13
some people have
01:09:15
um yeah I kind of I guess I just know
01:09:18
what I need to do
01:09:20
to stay positive to look after myself
01:09:23
and a lot of that is exercise when I'm
01:09:25
away eating while connecting and I've
01:09:29
never been at that point where I can't
01:09:30
do that
01:09:32
um I had a real struggle I think it was
01:09:37
2000 and 14 I I was really stressed
01:09:42
about a lot of things going on at the
01:09:44
time and my body just sort of shut down
01:09:47
on me and
01:09:49
I just remember waking up and I had pins
01:09:52
and needles on my feet and
01:09:55
was about to play a cricket game and I
01:09:57
said to Physio both my feet have pins
01:09:59
and needles
01:10:00
and I was like drinking a lot of the
01:10:02
time and I was a little bit homesick and
01:10:04
I had a few things I was dealing with
01:10:06
and then played that game and then the
01:10:09
next day the pins and needles let up my
01:10:11
legs and I was like this is not all good
01:10:13
and flew home and went to Physio and she
01:10:16
was like you need to go to the doctor
01:10:19
and then I sort of like numb down and I
01:10:22
was I didn't I was just there was a lot
01:10:24
going on like in the turmoil and I was
01:10:27
just stressed what what brought it on
01:10:28
was it Cricket based or no it was a
01:10:31
little bit it was just you know the age
01:10:32
where you're just so and I was just
01:10:34
uncertain about everything like I was
01:10:37
kind of probably mid-20s where I wasn't
01:10:39
sure Cricket wasn't really career so I
01:10:41
was like what am I gonna do
01:10:43
I was always away from home and I was
01:10:45
sort of following it felt like I was
01:10:46
following this pointless dream because I
01:10:49
wasn't really earning
01:10:52
and I sort of was just worried about
01:10:55
everything I was worried about my future
01:10:57
um relationships just there was a lot
01:10:59
going on and yeah then I went
01:11:02
to the hospital and had a scan and I was
01:11:05
actually diagnosed with mild Ms and that
01:11:08
was
01:11:09
probably like the hardest thing because
01:11:12
I couldn't feel my legs I remember going
01:11:15
for a run the next day and like I
01:11:18
couldn't I could head sensation but I
01:11:20
didn't have full sensation and I went to
01:11:22
run and I just burst into tears because
01:11:25
I was like where are my legs gone and
01:11:27
like what I did was physical and my
01:11:30
coach wearing these at the time we had a
01:11:32
game for Targo and he was like just come
01:11:34
because with Ms you don't know like the
01:11:38
symptoms are there you don't know if
01:11:39
they're gonna so that's multiple
01:11:40
sclerosis what does that mean exactly
01:11:42
well I've
01:11:44
I've got multiple sclerosis and I had a
01:11:47
relapse
01:11:49
um which I believe was brought on by
01:11:52
stress and I've obviously got the
01:11:54
generous I'm susceptible to it and I had
01:11:58
a relapse which caused um feeling
01:12:01
sensation gone and then I took about a
01:12:03
steroids and then got put on a
01:12:06
medication for the rest of my life
01:12:08
pretty much and that thankfully that
01:12:12
balusteros got rid of those that relapse
01:12:14
and this medication has controlled the
01:12:17
symptoms and but I do think it's a lot
01:12:20
of down to
01:12:22
physically and mentally looking after
01:12:24
myself and I think had I not potentially
01:12:26
had that episode my mental health wasn't
01:12:28
in a great place but I learned
01:12:31
physically and mentally
01:12:32
what I needed to stay healthy and yeah
01:12:36
that was just an appreciation of
01:12:40
your body I don't know I was at a young
01:12:42
age where I was invincible and I've
01:12:44
always been able to do whatever I liked
01:12:45
but that was like whoa if you don't look
01:12:47
after yourself you're not going to be
01:12:48
able to do this
01:12:50
um yeah does it flare up now or no no
01:12:52
I've been so lucky this medication
01:12:56
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01:12:57
um
01:12:58
yeah it keeps it under control and yeah
01:13:01
there's probably certain things that may
01:13:03
flare it up and I may never have a
01:13:05
relapse again with or without the
01:13:08
medication there's so many unknowns I
01:13:09
think that's the hardest thing about it
01:13:10
and there's so many different levels of
01:13:12
symptoms
01:13:14
um but yeah initially I
01:13:16
everything I did was effective in it but
01:13:18
I'm so much more relaxed as like I live
01:13:20
with it and
01:13:22
um it hasn't affected my career yeah you
01:13:24
just find a way to like coexist with it
01:13:26
yeah yeah one thing I've I've got from
01:13:29
this podcast students so far is you
01:13:31
realize like everyone everyone at some
01:13:33
point is going to deal with some
01:13:34
adversity like it's just part of being a
01:13:36
[ __ ] human
01:13:38
um and there was another story here
01:13:39
about you you had a coach I don't know
01:13:41
how old you were but um you got told
01:13:43
that you had the skill but not the
01:13:44
fitness
01:13:45
when was this was this younger yep that
01:13:48
was like teens 20s I reckon I was 15 or
01:13:51
16. right and what is that what does
01:13:53
that mean exactly well basically a nice
01:13:56
way of saying you're you're carrying too
01:13:58
much weight or well that's how I took it
01:14:00
um I to be fair like on reflection with
01:14:04
um maturity I I had broken my collarbone
01:14:08
and I had literally sat on the couch and
01:14:11
put on weight so then I just went you
01:14:13
know that Mum felt sorry for me so she
01:14:15
was feeding me like oh I have this cake
01:14:17
I'm so sad that you've got a [ __ ]
01:14:19
combo and then I yeah it's not like you
01:14:24
could walk to the kitchen yourself and
01:14:25
prepare a healthy snake exactly and I
01:14:27
want the football World Cup was on and I
01:14:28
just sat in this Lazy Boy and watched
01:14:29
the men's football World Cup whatever
01:14:30
year it was um
01:14:32
and then went to under 18 New Zealand
01:14:35
Trail and the guy afterwards was like
01:14:37
doing the good news or the bad news the
01:14:40
good news is
01:14:42
um your skills are your skills are up
01:14:44
there they're good enough but you're not
01:14:47
fit enough to play international
01:14:48
basketball
01:14:50
and I just remember going to Mom another
01:14:52
said I'm fat
01:14:55
I'm just gonna play cricket and I for
01:14:58
two weeks salt
01:14:59
um and then I decided because I'd played
01:15:02
sport but I hadn't consciously done
01:15:04
Fitness I just played Sports and that
01:15:07
was like when I saw a trainer at the
01:15:09
Moana pool gym and learned to train
01:15:11
outside of my Sport and I probably cause
01:15:14
maybe a slight addiction to exercise
01:15:16
because that was always when I was
01:15:20
making teams I'm going to prove that I'm
01:15:22
fit enough so it became almost a little
01:15:25
bit like a hyper fixate on yeah that's a
01:15:30
box that I can control I'm going to be
01:15:32
fit and sometimes I'd overdo it and sort
01:15:34
of get the balance wrong but at that
01:15:37
Level Fitness and to be able to play two
01:15:39
sports it was important it was just
01:15:41
later on I probably got the intensity
01:15:44
and
01:15:46
um just resting and Recovery as well was
01:15:48
just as important so so a slap in the
01:15:51
face like that I mean it at 15 you're
01:15:54
not overly mature anyway
01:15:56
um but like how long how long are you
01:15:57
sulking about it for or you know how
01:16:01
long does it take before you go right
01:16:02
well [ __ ] you I'm gonna I'm gonna prove
01:16:04
you wrong and bounce back from that I
01:16:06
reckon two weeks I was quitting and
01:16:08
playing Cricket I've got Cricket like I
01:16:10
don't need basketball like yeah yeah but
01:16:12
Shane wants you said
01:16:14
no they've never said I need to be
01:16:16
fitted um and then after that I realized
01:16:18
I wanted to play basketball in like
01:16:20
perhaps he had a point
01:16:23
um but then I reckon playing basketball
01:16:27
it was there the whole time of my
01:16:29
International career that I needed to
01:16:31
prove my fitness so that was through
01:16:33
that beep test it was always like a
01:16:35
determination to be in the top sort of
01:16:38
tier and I probably hang on it for like
01:16:41
far too long but I don't know sometimes
01:16:43
when you have the book between your
01:16:44
teeth and you want to prove people wrong
01:16:45
it's not the most healthy mindset but I
01:16:48
think it also drives you
01:16:50
oh no I I I I love it I I love using
01:16:53
haters as my motivators yeah because
01:16:55
people that want to see no not that he
01:16:58
did but people that want to see you fail
01:16:59
it's like flipping in the bird and
01:17:01
saying [ __ ] you by doing well but also
01:17:02
it's good for yourself to do well and
01:17:04
believe like telling when people tell
01:17:06
you can't do something it's like
01:17:07
actually I believe I can and that's
01:17:09
quite powerful without having to flip
01:17:11
the bird sometimes yeah absolutely
01:17:14
um this this might be a personal
01:17:16
question you can tell me to piss off if
01:17:17
you don't want to answer this but do you
01:17:18
do you like want to have a family down
01:17:20
the track do you hope to have kids
01:17:23
yeah I go through for moments um
01:17:28
my oldest brother didn't have a kid in
01:17:31
two years in his 40s and so my two
01:17:34
brothers have got sort of 18 month year
01:17:37
old boys
01:17:38
and so my parents are in their 70s and
01:17:40
had to wait a long time so it wasn't
01:17:43
exactly I know poor mum she was I think
01:17:46
she was desperate but finally now it's
01:17:48
all happened at once my younger sister
01:17:50
Olivia's just had her first actually
01:17:52
when I was on the flight over here she
01:17:53
came early so Marley Louis and Porter
01:17:56
and it's hard to imagine with what I do
01:18:00
and it being sort of such a selfish
01:18:03
Pursuit and relationship-wise it's even
01:18:07
difficult
01:18:08
um
01:18:08
I can't quite see it but then there's
01:18:11
part of me now that my family said kids
01:18:13
especially my sister that I'm not
01:18:15
putting out of the question but I I'm
01:18:18
sort of 50 50. I feel like I'd be a
01:18:20
great mum and I'd love it yeah you would
01:18:23
but yeah you're at PACE though if um
01:18:25
yeah it doesn't happen hey are you are
01:18:27
you in a relationship
01:18:29
um not currently but I've had some
01:18:32
long-term relationships that have sort
01:18:34
of through covert as well and we're a
01:18:37
bit challenging
01:18:39
um but currently
01:18:41
yeah no I'm excited yeah I I mean I
01:18:44
don't know how you could make that work
01:18:45
like how how many months of the year are
01:18:47
you on the road this year
01:18:49
um well I've here and then this finishes
01:18:53
and I go from here to Barbados so it's
01:18:55
not a tough life really to play in a
01:18:58
Caribbean league for a couple of weeks
01:19:00
and then I do get home for five days and
01:19:04
then we go to South Africa with white
01:19:06
Ferns and we'll go straight from South
01:19:08
Africa to Sydney so that's until
01:19:10
December so from now until December we
01:19:13
get like four or five nights at home so
01:19:15
and I kind of make that choice like I
01:19:19
don't expect someone to accept that you
01:19:21
know like there's
01:19:24
um there's been people but like I choose
01:19:26
to keep doing this and yeah I sort of
01:19:28
don't expect them to make that sacrifice
01:19:31
and I'm also at peace with it and I know
01:19:33
there'll be a time when I'm not doing
01:19:35
this but my family like are good at
01:19:37
traveling around and I've seen them and
01:19:39
yeah I like there's a lot of same-sex
01:19:43
relationships in cricket but I do
01:19:44
believe that's part of it because you're
01:19:46
away so much it's really hard to when
01:19:49
they're in the environment they're there
01:19:51
um and you know it's only starting to
01:19:52
change now where players are earning
01:19:54
enough to perhaps
01:19:56
fly their Partners over whereas in the
01:19:58
men's game they've been earning money
01:19:59
and their other half could potentially
01:20:01
not work so they could travel with them
01:20:04
so there's just those dynamics that are
01:20:05
starting to shift that I think it will
01:20:07
be easier to be able to travel with your
01:20:10
partner even when you're on the road so
01:20:12
much yeah I suppose like every decision
01:20:14
in life comes out comes at some sort of
01:20:16
cost doesn't it and it sacrifices yeah
01:20:19
and I've always like
01:20:21
had a coach and I'll never forget it he
01:20:23
was like when we weren't paid but we
01:20:26
were playing for the white Ferns and he
01:20:27
said Just remember like this is a choice
01:20:28
not a sacrifice so like I don't feel
01:20:31
like I've sacrificed
01:20:33
life to do this I've chosen to take this
01:20:36
path and I wouldn't have done it any
01:20:38
other way and that comes with benefits
01:20:41
and it comes with missing out on stuff
01:20:43
but I've consciously made that choice
01:20:44
and there's
01:20:46
consequences to that but like I also
01:20:48
wouldn't go back and change any of the
01:20:50
choices I've made no shouldn't I yeah
01:20:52
sure that's been a hell of a life do you
01:20:55
enjoy the um the travel and the suitcase
01:20:57
life what does it get a bit tedious must
01:21:00
get tedious at times yeah yeah you get
01:21:02
used to it and like
01:21:04
probably in a bad way sometimes when
01:21:06
I've lived this lifestyle I get to
01:21:09
Dunedin and I'm there for a week and it
01:21:12
feels like a year five o'clock I'm like
01:21:16
what am I gonna do I like cook dinner go
01:21:18
to bed I'm like oh wow this is mundane
01:21:20
but then I sort of get back into that
01:21:22
Rhythm and I'm like oh this is nice so
01:21:24
that's probably a reflection of how I
01:21:27
have lived um
01:21:29
yeah you you miss your people like even
01:21:31
in this environment and lucky to have
01:21:33
some kiwis here but they're not your
01:21:35
people and I think there will be a point
01:21:38
where they're outweighs Victorian life
01:21:40
where I just want to be around my people
01:21:42
more and what what are you have you
01:21:44
thought about what you want to do
01:21:45
afterwards like you would still want to
01:21:47
be involved in the game like in
01:21:48
commentary or coaching or anything or
01:21:50
something completely different as I was
01:21:52
saying before like I reckon with like
01:21:54
transferable skills like whatever you do
01:21:56
you'll be [ __ ] great at
01:22:00
what are you 35 yes so I'm I'm 50 now
01:22:04
when I was 35. yeah yeah yeah yeah oh
01:22:06
come on no you're doing good when um
01:22:09
when I was 35 I thought like 50 life was
01:22:12
over and then you get there and it's
01:22:14
like I went out for a 20K run today I've
01:22:16
got to stretch a lot more afterwards
01:22:18
because my knees aren't what they used
01:22:19
to be but it's like it's exciting when
01:22:21
you get there and you realize there's
01:22:22
still a lot of life left to live so all
01:22:24
the stuff that you've done over the last
01:22:26
like 20 years in cricket you could do
01:22:27
that again with something else something
01:22:29
completely different and it's [ __ ]
01:22:31
exciting have you put much thought into
01:22:32
that I've put a lot of thought because
01:22:34
it just especially since I think Amy and
01:22:37
Katie left the game that kind of
01:22:40
I started to I've started to just
01:22:42
prepare for that
01:22:44
um
01:22:46
and part of me I've done this for so
01:22:49
long that you kind of become
01:22:50
institutionalized by cricket and the
01:22:52
bubble that you're in and the people
01:22:53
sometimes that's the only people you see
01:22:57
and I also love talking and meeting
01:23:00
other people so part of me wants to
01:23:03
remove myself a little bit but I feel
01:23:06
like there's so much I have to give to
01:23:09
the game
01:23:10
um and maybe that's a bit further down
01:23:11
the track but I've made sure like I'm
01:23:13
doing my level three coaching course so
01:23:15
I can coach I've done some commentary at
01:23:18
home and actually the BBC gave me an
01:23:20
opportunity yesterday which was really
01:23:23
cool I just think the more you do that
01:23:24
sort of stuff um the better you get so
01:23:27
was that your first time with the doing
01:23:29
the commentary stuff the stuff with the
01:23:30
BBC I've done some with Sparks but when
01:23:33
I was injured um and then I've done like
01:23:35
the odd bits and pieces but that was
01:23:37
sort of thrown into it and um
01:23:41
I enjoy talking about the game and
01:23:42
especially when it's the woman's game so
01:23:44
I sort of feel there's an Avenue for
01:23:46
that like why not do it um when there's
01:23:49
so much going on but there's also
01:23:52
a part of me that is excited about doing
01:23:55
something completely different and I
01:23:58
still think it'll be in the health sport
01:24:00
women's sport area but not necessarily
01:24:03
Cricket so definitely not
01:24:06
um phys Ed or nutrition bloody six-year
01:24:09
degree well no
01:24:12
yeah probably not
01:24:14
whatever it is um it's bloody exciting
01:24:17
um thanks so much for meeting me today
01:24:19
for this podcast it's been really cool
01:24:22
yeah we've just chatted it's been fun uh
01:24:24
sorry I was late again though um ah but
01:24:26
it's only 30 minutes
01:24:28
thanks for having me no I I was actually
01:24:31
I I was when you said oh I've had a
01:24:33
mirror with the public transport and you
01:24:35
even called yourself
01:24:36
um what was it Tina tourist tender
01:24:38
tourist in the message which I I loved
01:24:41
I'm exactly the same I cannot get my I
01:24:44
think it's just the way my brain works I
01:24:45
can't get my head around the public
01:24:46
transport system here every time I think
01:24:48
I've got it I'll end up on the bus going
01:24:50
somewhere completely wrong have to get
01:24:51
out an Uber back to my mate's place I'm
01:24:54
a nightmare are you generally pretty
01:24:56
good and I thought I was good that's
01:24:58
I've used it a lot and I sort of get my
01:25:00
backpack on and I just love exploring
01:25:02
and yeah I'm gonna go here today and I
01:25:04
get the tube and I end up in like go
01:25:08
places I don't actually do anything but
01:25:10
you feel like you've been out for the
01:25:12
day so today yeah I just made a few bad
01:25:15
decisions which um
01:25:18
yeah anyway I ended up what a scootering
01:25:21
a biking
01:25:23
tubing and ubering I didn't have to do
01:25:26
any of the I could have just done one of
01:25:28
those but that's you know it's like a
01:25:29
shitty version of The Amazing Race but
01:25:32
yep you made it here in the end are you
01:25:33
where do you think you'll settle down
01:25:35
Dunedin do you think you'll always be as
01:25:36
he uh because your brother does he used
01:25:40
to work at Snapchat or he worked at
01:25:41
Snapchat for a while yep he lives in La
01:25:43
yeah do you think you'll be Dunedin
01:25:46
and part of me like I said to you when I
01:25:48
get to the end I'd love it because
01:25:49
that's my family and where my friends
01:25:51
are but I feel like
01:25:55
yeah maybe a bigger city when I've
01:25:57
stopped playing it's nice now because I
01:25:59
go home I sort of switch off seeing my
01:26:02
family and I leave but I think when I'm
01:26:04
there permanently Maybe
01:26:06
yeah somewhere like Wellington or
01:26:07
Auckland might be more appealing but
01:26:10
yeah I don't have to think about that
01:26:12
just yet it's like I can pay my cheaper
01:26:14
Mortgage in Dunedin and travel geez with
01:26:18
every one of these tournaments you could
01:26:19
just about buy a brand new house oh yeah
01:26:22
my money no I'm trying I am being
01:26:25
Smarter with it but yeah there's there's
01:26:27
hopefully a couple more years of earning
01:26:29
in the game and then we'll see what
01:26:30
happens oh for sure yeah who is the
01:26:32
oldest oldest player to play at the top
01:26:35
level did Minnie make it to 40. there's
01:26:37
a lot of males that have made it to 40.
01:26:40
Jimmy Anderson a lot of County
01:26:41
cricketers over here
01:26:43
um I reckon matali Raj and Julian
01:26:46
goswami two of Indians greats and
01:26:48
they've just retired in the last so the
01:26:50
two years they were close to 37 38 I
01:26:53
don't think many have made it to 40. I
01:26:56
don't really plan on making it 40.
01:26:58
um yeah it's just a balance that we've
01:27:00
got a 2020 World Cup next year and then
01:27:02
there's a 50 over World Cup the year
01:27:04
after and and those are two things in
01:27:06
the back of my mind and you can't plan
01:27:09
too much but
01:27:11
um I know they're there and if I'm
01:27:12
contributing we'll see how it goes but
01:27:15
after that 50 over World Cup
01:27:17
um yeah there's sort of a bit of a break
01:27:21
in you know this younger players coming
01:27:22
through so
01:27:24
we'll see what happens that's kind of
01:27:26
it's in India and I think it would be
01:27:27
really cool to be a part of but I also
01:27:29
know you don't always control that and I
01:27:32
try not to plan too far ahead I just got
01:27:34
this game on Saturday and then Caribbean
01:27:37
League which will be fun yeah well good
01:27:38
luck for the game on Saturday hopefully
01:27:40
um hopefully the form returns
01:27:43
you know if it's going around just far
01:27:44
too slowly yeah there's either get out
01:27:48
or get on with it as my motto for
01:27:50
Saturday yeah oh Susie Bates one of the
01:27:52
greatest of all time uh thank you so
01:27:55
much for coming on the podcast and
01:27:56
meeting me at the studio on Notting Hill
01:27:57
and um all the best for whatever the
01:28:00
future brings as of as I've said
01:28:01
numerous times in this chat I'm sure
01:28:03
it's going to be epic thanks Don
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thank you
