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Susie Bates welcome to my podcast thanks for having me um we eventually I I first of all I
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can't believe this you're from Dunedin I'm from Palmerston North we're in a
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studio in Notting Hill um it's a bit of a yeah Pinch Me moment for me I'm and I'm super excited that
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you're here yeah um it took me a while to get here um and I have been calming North a few
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times but yeah Dunedin I'd never caught public transport in Dunedin except when
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you go to school trips on the bus but yeah I really mucked up the tubes today but thank you for having me and yeah
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it's really cool yeah now I'll win for a big run this morning and I was thinking
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how how am I gonna enjoy this podcast how are we going to do it and I I thought I could you know reel off some
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of your phenomenal statistics of your various careers with Cricket and basketball and then you've [ __ ] up
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your arrival and you're over half an hour late um which is the most amazing it was
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actually amazing I thought this is a great way to interrupt because from an outsider's perspective your life looks
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perfect and then this happens and it proves that you are just human what would your teammate say is this if they
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heard about this but they'd be like oh that's classic Susie or is this like oh
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that's had a character for Susie no I think they would say that's classic
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if they knew as well that it was sunny outside so the decisions were based around getting some outdoor transport so
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that totally understand that because I'm always out in the sun so no it is a
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little bit classic trying to also squeeze a lot into the day and too much when you're in Dunedin everything's only
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five minutes away so you're only ever five minutes late whereas in London yeah
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I'll have now 11 London's perfectly reasonable like it takes so long to get
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anywhere like the friends I'm staying with fella every evening they're like oh
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we should go and see Craig David tonight for example and I'm like oh cool how far
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away is that everything's an hour takes an hour to get anywhere yeah and you
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think you know it can go on the tube but then there's still a lot of walking so
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you do get your steps up even once you figure out the tube but yeah it's been
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really nice to be in London it's a great spot and at least the sun is out yeah
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and so what do you what are you doing here you're here for a the what's the
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tournament the T100 no yeah it's called The 100 so um it's just a format that I think they've
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made for TV so it's shorter and it's 100 Balls instead of 2020 which is 120
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wheels and they've got uh eight teams all spread out there's men's and women's
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you play double headers every game so I'm of the oval invincibles who are London based and they get three overseas
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and they go into a draft each year and you get picks and get sent to whatever team so Sophie Divine is that Birmingham
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Phoenix and merely cures at London spirit and there's a couple of the New Zealand boys Finnell and Devin Conway at
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Southern Brave so there's plenty of kiwis in the competition but yeah that's
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what we're here for and it's a pretty cool competition we play sold out crowds
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at the oval and the atmosphere is awesome we're not doing as well as we'd
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like this season but that's all part of it and even though you're on different
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teams do you catch up with your kiwi mates yeah um it's handy having melee and the other London team so her new
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boyfriend Nathan are over here and we've done a bit together we played Sophie in
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Birmingham and our white friends coach been soy is also there so we had to catch up after the game but there is a
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bit of travel and it's hard to meet up with people as you've seen so not too
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much but it helps that melee's in London yeah yeah you guys quite tight merely
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and I yeah uh yeah we spend a lot of time together I think we've just bonded
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over um cricket and wanting to be the best we can be and she's very talented and we
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obviously tour a lot as a team so the three of us Sophie Millie and I know each other pretty well so it is nice
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when you have those familiar faces when you're an overseas player yeah because I
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heard the story about um Millie Kieran yourself and I don't know if it's like a
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like just a punchline or a gag or a serious thing but she when you retire she wants you to be her like traveling
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personal coach is that like is it is that a real sort of thing or is it sort of stick
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um I think she'd love that uh we've talked about we have talked about you
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know how tennis players they kind of have their personal coaches and with all this franchise Cricket Minnie's
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traveling the world playing a different teams so she wants to take a coach that'll just sling at her for hours
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because she loves Benny so We've joked now that she's earning millions of
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dollars that I could be that person and just be her own personal batting coach so when training's done if she wants
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extras I'm just there to bowl and throw so it's a bit of a joke but I'm sure
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she'd love it yeah is she is an exaggeration or is she earning millions of dollars
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uh Millions is probably an exaggeration but the IPL women's IPL um first time this year they had this
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auction which was just absolutely fascinating to watch unfold schmuti Mandana the best Indian player went for
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something ridiculous like she went for one point something million the most highest paid female cricketer and then
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merely I think something over 100k for her um position at Mumbai Indians so she's
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got another 10 to 15 years if she wants to keep playing um all around the world yeah it's pretty
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unbelievable considering when I started I think we got paid thirty dollars a day
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and that was meant to you got 70 if you didn't live at home because that was to
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cover multiple combination I was living at home at the time still so I got 30 dollars it's um yeah like a it must be
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it must be nice for you that um yeah in your career which by the way has like spanned over half your [ __ ] life it's
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been insane insane it's nice that you've seen that over 30 a day to where you are
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now and that you do get to capitalize on it and make a little bit of money before
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before your career ends yeah and I said I was I feel like it's been quite a privilege to have the best of both
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worlds because I sort of look at these young players now and at 16 17 they're
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contracted and Cricket becomes their life whereas probably up until I was 26 27 28 it was still part-time I could
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play basketball I could study um I sort of felt like I had I guess more freedom to figure out what I wanted
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to do and then Cricket became my profession so I see the benefits of that I could have been burnt out by now if it
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was the way it is and obviously this play is also just before me that missed out just on the professional
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um phase of the game so yeah it's like the timing and no it's no one's fault
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but I just feel pretty grateful that I've been part of both sides for different reasons and yes the Fine Line
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because there is now Financial reward but um not hanging in there too long and for the wrong reasons you want to be
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making sure I'm still doing it for the love but sometimes the Money Talks doesn't it oh 100 and do you find
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sometimes with the the younger players you're going to like Boomer mode and you
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say yeah you know you guys don't know how lucky you got it back in my day thirty dollars a day yeah it would be
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hard not I'd catch myself all the time like but I hold my tongue they yeah it
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is just so different that they don't know any different so it's not really
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the effect um you almost want to come sometimes I feel like I want to give them a clip
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around the air just so they've got some perspective but that's not helpful and
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I'm sure they're older players when I was playing they wanted to give me a
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clip around here too and it is the money good for you so say you've gone like
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another couple of years of your your career left are you gonna better you're
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like I don't know buy a house in Dunedin at the end of it or you know you've
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devoted so much of your life to the sport um so in those early years in particular
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like you definitely undoubtedly do it just For the Love of the Game um and you've made a lot of sacrifices
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so it'd be good if you can get to the the end of your career and you know now
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you've got some Financial reward from it is it going to be okay yeah no it's um
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it's kind of unbelievable where it's at and it's all public knowledge as well
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with these drafts they have now I hate them but that's where the game's going
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you put your name in and you get offered a band of money so this oval invincible's it was I think I went for
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32 and a half thousand pounds for a month's work so that's 70 grand yeah so
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that's and that's only happened in the last two years that's Money's been that
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way um the big bash you can earn anything between I think it's thirty thousand and
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a hundred and ten thousand for six weeks um the IPL if you get your name in it's
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the same work the minimum is 30 000 us but it goes up to ridiculous amounts but I wasn't picked up last season and then
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our New Zealand Cricket contracts um the retainers and if you play every game it's very financially rewarding so
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all of that put together over a 12-month um span I think the hard thing is now I
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think oh what job could I earn that money um it's doing something that I love so
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much as well you know it's my passion and it's just nothing's changed for me
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but everything's changed I'm doing exactly the same thing I'm sort of
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training the same way obviously we're away a lot more but then all of a sudden
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it's like the same job you were doing now is earning 10 times as much it's a
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weird concept oh it's so cool though it is very cool very cool it's amazing it's
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amazing okay there's so much ground to cover with you like you've mentioned the
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IPL a couple of times you you should have been selected but you missed out I put my name in and hoped for selection
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and I felt like I'd had a pretty good 12 months but it is a very I guess fickle
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environment and often it's just depending on the balance of the team and spots and it felt like the first auction
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the Indian teams were looking for fast Bowlers and all-rounders and that was sort of where people put their money in
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lots of world-class openers like Denny Way at Laura wolvert from South Africa also missed out so I think no one really
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knows how it's going to go and you hope that you're going to get picked up
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especially when it was the first one but when you see her it unfolded you sort of
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understand you would you would disappointed or were you sort of okay about it can you remember how you felt yeah no I
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can because the timing of it was Dreadful um we were playing was it our second world it was the Second World Cup game
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it was a morning of the game against South Africa and there was obviously players in our team
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that have put their name in and then I thought the auction was just going to happen in the morning but then it just
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dragged on because they went through rounds and rounds and so I decided not to really follow it because we had a
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game but then I could just Sense on the bus that everyone knew that they were watching and that I hadn't been picked
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up so we had that game and at the time I was like just not got to worry about it
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but I think it probably just I don't know it just knocks your confidence a bit with like you feel
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maybe that you've done enough to be picked up and then when you're not I
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guess it does yeah it hurts a little bit but I think after the World Cup and having a breaker sort of saw it for what
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it was but at the time I was yeah a bit gutted and I knew people involved in the
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auction so you you'd hope they picked you up but they didn't so that was fine
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yeah like why are you like are you like embarrassed or just like sad I feel like well for me
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it's more no it's not embarrassed it's just gutted I was just like um I'd done so much in the women's game
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and that was kind of one thing and it was the first time and I just desperately wanted to be a part of it
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and see what it was like and yeah I've been really fortunate that I've been
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part of pretty much everything when it started so it was just maybe for very selfish reasons I just wanted to get
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amongst it and see what the woman's IPO was going to be like but there's a
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chance every year if I want to put my name in it'll happen and it's only going
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to get bigger and bigger yeah and I suppose that's just um like the career path you've chosen isn't it there's like
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extreme Highs but also these like deep lows as well yeah and batting and Cricket if you've ever
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been a better you understand and like you just have to stay so consistent with how you prepare because it it's very
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outcome based um especially as a batter and at the moment I haven't scored the runs I would
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have liked as an overseas player and that's even harder because you've sort
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of brought in kind of a commodity to go out there and perform for the team and when it doesn't go your way it becomes I
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think even harder in these franchise environments to deal with it because you feel like you're almost not proving your
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worth or they've put an investment in you as I think for New Zealand over a long period of time
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it's just a different feeling when you don't perform you sort of got your
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teammates around you you know you've contributed over a long period of time whereas this is kind of here and now and
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that's what you're here to do so that's been a bit of a battle over here because
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everyone's sort of tiptoeing around it but we know like we're pretty much out
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of the tournament now so that's been a bit of a shame but I I I'm guessing like um you've been
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around so long every imaginable scenario like you've been through I'm sure you've
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been out for a golden duck before you've probably been out for 99 runs like yeah
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the extreme highs and the extreme lows so I mean yeah I there can't be any scenario that you haven't dealt with
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uh I've been out to hit Wicket six times do you know what that is where you like
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listen I gave up playing I loved Cricket more than anything I gave up when I was
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14 because I just got sick of playing a team sport where I was I could feel I was living my teammates down I know very
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well what a heading work it is yeah that time I guess six isn't too bad but no it's it's such a metaphor for Life
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Cricket because you learn how to be resilient in the sport and if you have perspective you
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realize it's just a game but it just teaches you so many skills for outside of sport and you know when you fail
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dealing with that how you go about um the next day how you are around the team when there's team success and there's
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individual failure or vice versa there's always someone in a cricket team that's
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failed and there's always someone that succeeded and I think you just learned
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so much about your character in The in this environment and putting yourself out there
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um knowing that you know betting and probably you know 70 of the time doesn't
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go your way and so you always are dealing with failure and it's I think as watching young players come through you
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can see the ones that are resilient and deal with it well and able to kind of pick themselves back up and yeah there's
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lots of strategies you learn that I think are just really helpful in life yeah well
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um yeah so how do you deal with that when something bad happens like you hit Wicket or you get out for a duck or you
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know you make a stupid mistake you you wander back to the Pavilion take your pads off take your helmet off then um
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like are you angry do you like are you upset you're burst into tears what do
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you do I've gone through phases younger Susie um I used to be a crier like I'm not
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really an angry person I'm an emotional so there was I reckon it was a couple of
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years where I just hated getting out so much because I had been quite successful
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early in my career and I expected that those results and I just used to like cry but like in the toilet so like oh
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really we're going to the toilet and like sort of give myself five to ten minutes maybe
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this is one day Cricket come back out with red eyes yeah then come back and hope that it was over often it wasn't
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but uh now I'm much I think just with maturity I don't know there's nothing you can do
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about it once this happened and like there's still times where I want to throw my battle
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you know shout and scream but um I think I just sort of take my gear off and sit with the team and then you
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just know you have to have good energy and I sort of have a review process you know was it mental technical Technical
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and then if I need to I'll touch base with a coach and talk about it but by the next
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day if I'm not over it there's something wrong yeah okay so you bounce back
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fairly quickly yeah yeah sometimes that you have to do more work to for that but
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most of the time the next day the sun comes up and you've got another training
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or another game we just play so much you have to move on so quickly well you I mean that's a good metaphor for life as
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well isn't it you do you just have to have to you know just keep punching on
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keep doing it actually I'm surprised you but you're um you're like you lean
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towards batting more than bowling anyway because you you grew up with older brothers right in Dunedin played a lot
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of cricket with them I'm guessing you barely got a team with the bat you would
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have been he would have been the the bowler right that's probably why I lent towards
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better I was sick of bowling but no my oldest brother uh Tom especially just loved it
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so he had bow and he'd tell me to bowl even closer because I wasn't fast enough
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and oh yeah well I'd very rarely get a bat and I think that's why when I first
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started out I was kind of in for a good time not a long time so yeah but they're
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a huge part of why I got into sports so they were pretty competitive as well yeah let's uh let's go right back and
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talk about that so um so you're from Dunedin um very high achieving family right
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parents are both lawyers dad was a tennis coach as well yeah Mum would say she was an athlete at
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James Hargis high school as well but yeah I guess that's where the work ethic
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came from they both worked from um like looked after four kids dad worked really
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hard and um yeah that was just the norm we all went to school went to sports trainings
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and Mum drove us around I don't know how she did it now I've watched my brothers
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and sister have kids just one kid so I'm like oh that seems stressful but yeah
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Dad coached tennis and all of us started in tennis and we took it quite seriously
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but I think we were all more into the team sports and yeah he played a bit of basketball so it was down at the Dunedin
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Stadium bouncing a ball around and that was just what we knew and you didn't
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know any different and all our friends were at sports games and we were always busy how much of um
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we'll get into everything to do with you like there's the basketball which you
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were phenomenal at and and now the cricket were you how much of it is like natural talent and how much of it is
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hard work and just the hours that you put in as a kid what do you reckon there must be some
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natural Talent all right but yeah I feel like yeah it's hard is it like in environment I I feel
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like I guess more than some kids I was just around a ball and kicking or throwing or passing with my brothers and
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with my parents playing sport that was just I guess you accidentally practice more and just have
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hand-eye coordination um and it probably wasn't until I was 15 that I like trained or you know
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practiced hard I just turned up to practice and played it was a real Joy of just playing games and then it was at 15
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I started to take my Cricket and basketball serious and then the fitness came into it and the work you needed to
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put in for that and then I guess wanting to get better that's when I probably
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started to work harder you say at 15 you start to take it seriously but at 15 that's when you like made your like rip
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debut right and you played at Cara's book I literally just played and I was just
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like I was playing games and I loved it like but it was like the boys or the girls I just played sport it wasn't even
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didn't matter what it was those were just seemed the most accessible and then
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yeah I'll never forget that because I didn't own spikes so when you play
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cricket you need the spikes you don't slip over but I'd never owned a pier and
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I got called in to play this game and I was bold and I kept slipping so mid over
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the captain switch shoes so I wore her spikes and share all my running shoes and I bought
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10 overs in a row and then the next day dad had to go out and buy me some spikes
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for the game the next day oh what a story so you're so um was it years then or was
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it was it Fifth form I'm showing my age here I think it was years yes so this
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year oh no no yeah year 10. so you're in so you're in year 10. um yeah that's crazy young eight you look
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back now from the perspective of a woman in her mid-30s like you're a cat was
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that was that um intimidating at the time or did you just have that like like youthful like brashness or confidence or
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Cockiness or whatever I just I don't know it was like just come play a game of cricket I just
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didn't really think about it but yeah it was a protago yeah it was the otago
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Sparks and it was the end of the season and they'd had an injury and I think
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someone was leaving for the last round so they just called me in and it was like a game of cricket I was like cool
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it's just so chilled about it and then I just bowled like I would on a Saturday
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with the boys and um yeah then I've played ever since so that's why it's been half my life it's
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funny how I interrupted you just before when you you said I wish I still had that it's like um there's a there's a
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saying that the youth youth is wasted on the young um and I suppose as you get older you
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sort of overthink things and yeah but you see you you don't remember being intimidated because everyone else
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on the team were like sort of growing women I just remember loving it it was like
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whenever I played like the next level I found it just so much more fun it was like when you played with your peers or
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played Club Cricket then you played for a tiger was like well the standard is so
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much fun and there's I've always enjoyed being around older people it's like
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athletes I looked up to them and I almost wanted to impress them I was like with my brothers I wanted to prove that
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I was good enough um and yeah it wasn't intimidation I was just had so many Role Models whether it
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was basketball Cricket that I just felt really lucky to hang out with and go to tournaments and just play sport it was
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the dream and at 15 I'm guessing 30 a day or whatever was like quite a lot of
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money yeah when you got the food money and I was living at home and they joked because I'd go and get Subway and then
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save you know Pocket twenty dollars so you could actually you know be smart with your money yeah or play the old
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they'll laugh at this but the oh forgot my wallet yeah I forgot my wallet so I
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could save the full thirty dollars so um and what was cricket like growing up because I've had Sophie Divine on the
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podcast and she talked about being in like mixed teams um were you in mixed teams or were they
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girls teams in Dunedin when you were when you were growing up it was mainly mixed I was just the club
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I was at it was there was the brothers and then the younger sisters and they happened to be three or four of us so we
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kind of went through the ages together playing with the boys but we always had two or three girlfriends on the team so
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um and then got to high school and that was the only old girls Cricket I've played and even Dunedin clubcracker I
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played third grade men's because he wasn't a Women's Club competition so I
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think it was an advantage to play with the boys at that age I think now um girls do play mainly girls Cricket
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which has its benefits but I think it was a bit of a tougher Challenge and um yeah I got sledged more in men's club
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Cricket than I ever did an international cricket did you did you really like like
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what what would they say uh six of stuff or no no I'll never forget one because I
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think we'd play New Zealand had played in a 2020 World Cup at Lords in like 2010 a long time ago and then we were
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playing at Kensington oval and he was like ah from Lords to Kensington like oh no I was like Wow hear this
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and just I had guys that I went to school with and they'd just get stuck in and yeah I can't remember specifically
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but I used to I said not a sort of friendly bed it was friendly Bender but I feel like international cricket we
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don't say that much or maybe I don't encourage um too much banter but yeah it's sleging
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a thing and the woman's game or or not so much I feel like it's really toned
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down since there's all these overseas competitions you never know who you're
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going to end up in a team with so I think people yeah they're mindful of that yeah we used to play Australia and
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we just like you know there's this feeling of we don't like you and we never all like you but you didn't know
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them off the park you just knew them on the field whereas you started to play in
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their teams and you're like oh damn I actually kind of laughed yeah that's
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annoying I can't hate them now although um yeah having Sophie Devine on the podcast last year again I don't know
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very well just from the podcast conversation we've had but I I'd imagine
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she would potentially be a sledger yeah domestically there's her and Frankie
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Mackay and actually K Ibraham they're kind of they're known ones to get into a
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bit of Biff on the field she has um definitely toned down in her older years so yeah she she'll give her if she's in
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the mood and sometimes there's a fast bowler you feel like you can back it up
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as a batter the only thing that can happen is you can get out and so there's
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no point I guess running your mouth they can have the last laugh and and where did the where's the basketball
00:25:39
thing come from was that just like a like a side like another sport just something you see your head like was it
00:25:45
like Cricket in some uh basketball winter where how did you put it on yeah I don't know how like my brother's
00:25:52
played like Tom loved the Chicago Bulls so that was like the Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen Erin Dennis Rodman yeah
00:25:59
Phil Jackson's coach and he had all the gear and I just used to think he was so
00:26:03
cool now you know he's older brother but um how much older is he uh he'd be five or six years right so
00:26:11
yeah he you know it's quite funny from doing this podcast and speaking to so
00:26:15
many sort of like high performance and people uh a lot of something that a lot of people like a huge majority have in
00:26:21
common is having like an older brother that I suppose you know older brother or older siblings they force you to sort of
00:26:27
lift your game yeah and I just I don't know what it was he just was in this one
00:26:31
so I hung around like a bed it smell and I remember watching like Bulls finals and then we'd go out and shoot on the
00:26:38
like made up hope it wasn't I think it was like full size but Dad kind of made
00:26:42
a backboard and then Dad played Club basketball so I got involved in a club and I just kept playing I I loved the
00:26:50
game of basketball it was so much fun I loved watching it so that's sort of how
00:26:54
that started but I gave everything a go really I played rugby I played soccer mum wasn't happy because I started in
00:27:00
soccer and then I had two guy mates that we hung out Cricket and soccer and then
00:27:06
one year I went back and they'd gone to rugby so I was like I'm not playing
00:27:08
soccer I want to pass my mind but mum hadn't told me so then I ended up playing rugby because Ben and Aunt my
00:27:16
two best mates were playing and that's how rugby started and then I played touch at school and volleyball and I
00:27:22
think it was just cricket and basketball head opportunities or rip teams and that's where it sort of LED yeah so
00:27:28
which which national team did you make first was it the New Zealand cricket team although new basketball team
00:27:38
I should remember they were like one year after each other it was cricket my last year of school I
00:27:44
got picks but I was actually planning on going to college in America for basketball so the coach at the time had
00:27:52
heard that and I think he picked me to try and keep me in New Zealand because if I'd gone to college in America that
00:27:58
may have been four years without Cricket so do you spend much time like sitting and reflecting on what you've done like
00:28:04
it's [ __ ] it's insane right it's phenomenal so while you're still a
00:28:07
teenager you're playing cricket and basketball for New Zealand you're a double international well you're still a
00:28:12
school kid yeah you're constantly looking forward or sometimes do you like do you pause to reflect on these things
00:28:19
it's probably to my detriment I am always looking at the next challenge and I'm probably I'm just so hard on myself
00:28:27
which if I saw in someone else I'd you know tell them not to be but it's also I
00:28:32
guess got me to where I am and kept me going but yeah I don't know I think when
00:28:37
it was just happening it was kind of uh I just didn't think about it was I loved those Sports and then there was a
00:28:45
team and they were so I was like I'll train hard to get in that team and then
00:28:48
I saw another team and I was like oh I want to be in that team and lucky I had so much support and
00:28:54
financial support that there weren't those barriers to stop me from achieving
00:28:58
that um but yeah I I I'm sure there'll be one day probably when I finally
00:29:04
retire sit back and just be so proud because I sort of set goals and then achieve them which sometimes
00:29:12
doesn't it doesn't work out like that so yeah it's it's insane really like when
00:29:17
you think about it but I I don't know if you ever will I don't I think you've
00:29:21
just got that sort of growth mindset I've seen other people on the podcast like this
00:29:24
um in the later stages of their career like um Hannah Wilkinson from the football ferns Kendra Cox Edge and so
00:29:30
yeah Sophie Devine and I feel like you've all got the similar sort of mindset where whatever you're doing in
00:29:34
life whether it's competitive sport or something else you're going to be like
00:29:38
looking forward it's like a growth mindset thing but you do want to pause occasionally and think about how awesome
00:29:43
you are oh yeah I could do with that right now actually I think that my best um it's been a bit of a Minefield and
00:29:53
like yeah just when I've got out there just it's not quite going my way and
00:29:58
I've just got to sometimes stop and um actually even with crickets sometimes I
00:30:03
do go back and watch footage because sometimes you can feel a little bit like out of rhythm in the middle and I'll go
00:30:09
back and just watch my Andres and then I'm like whoa you're good and then
00:30:13
sometimes it's like an out of body of experience you're like did I do that and
00:30:17
they're watching video of yourself hitting boundaries so yeah maybe I'll
00:30:21
take some time in the next couple of days while I'm in London people watching
00:30:24
just to think how I got here it's pretty cool really yeah it's got to be a weird
00:30:28
thing and I don't know if this is something you can explain or not but yeah I suppose you have periods where
00:30:32
you just feel like you're a hot knife going through hard butter and you go out
00:30:37
there and you know you you're in that flow State the ball looks bigger and just nothing goes wrong and then there's
00:30:43
periods where you're in like a form slump and you try even harder and nothing goes right yep that's exactly
00:30:50
yeah so like the harder you try the worse it gets and it is it's like these days and there's
00:30:56
periods where you're batting and you feel like you have so much control of where you're hitting the ball you have
00:31:02
so much time and then there's times where you feel that you don't know where your next run is
00:31:07
coming from and I don't reckon there'd be one better in the world that's never
00:31:10
felt that and you know what it feels like either way but it's being able to actually get
00:31:17
yourself back to that space um is easier said than done and yeah that's kind of I mean that's space a
00:31:24
little bit at the moment where I seem to just feel like I'm hitting the field and
00:31:26
then the frustration builds and you try harder and harder and the worse it gets but the sort of like one score and then
00:31:32
all of a sudden you're in that flow State and as a batter there's nothing
00:31:36
better than being out in the middle when you feel like you're just can't do
00:31:40
anything wrong you can't do anything wrong it's like a sort of like a Zen
00:31:44
space that lots of matters talk about where they just feel it's um yeah it's kind of an outer body
00:31:50
experience where it's just flowing and happening I suppose yeah I mean I guess
00:31:54
what anyone would tell you is would be when you're in a like one of those slumps it's just to like relax and have
00:31:59
fun but like what does that mean exactly like you have fun and I'm like you know
00:32:04
it's not fun when you're not screwing like it's fun when you're scoring runs
00:32:07
so it's like just have fun and then yeah and I is so it is sweaty you play with
00:32:12
people all around the world and everyone's been in form or out of form whatever that really means but they yeah
00:32:19
Evans tries to be helpful but at the end of the day it's only you that can fix
00:32:23
what's sort of going on upstairs and that's kind of like the beauty of cricket and the mess that way is that
00:32:30
it's so mental and you know it's your mindset and that's you know the biggest
00:32:35
test of characters getting that mindset right and being positive and staying positive and that's why I think it's
00:32:42
just such a great game because that's what life's about too is no matter
00:32:45
what's going on it's how you actually choose to respond yeah and and and
00:32:50
um how do you how like how do you choose I know you've got like um things that
00:32:55
you do like I know you're into meditation and you'd like to journal do you have much to do with a sports
00:33:00
psychologist yeah we've had over the years lots of those types of people involved and
00:33:07
um I built a really good report Gary Hermanson he was actually at the 2008 Olympics not with basketball but as a
00:33:15
psychologist and then he's been around Cricket so we have kind of connected over the years and yeah I'll talk to him
00:33:22
about lots of different things and touch base and I don't know there's just lots
00:33:26
of reading there's so many books out there and just taking Snippets from different books like merely and Sophie
00:33:34
love that sort of stuff too so it's having conversations about people's routines or their mental
00:33:40
processes yeah so there's lots of ways to get there and it's just making sure that you
00:33:46
actually do it daily I think initially it was like we're not struggling then
00:33:50
I'd go to that whereas actually just doing it daily and it's a constant process then I think you have yeah less
00:33:57
of the ups and downs yeah much like much like life it is like that it's like um you know
00:34:04
the last few years I've had some mental health like sort of struggle with some
00:34:09
um I've figured out what's good for me but it's like you need that sort of like
00:34:12
plan uh in place the whole time not just like oh [ __ ] I'm struggling but now it's
00:34:17
time to do it hey you need those good habits yeah and like even though you know what you need to do
00:34:24
it's actually doing it and that's when you're feeling good you don't want it
00:34:28
yeah no exactly and that's yeah it's like that self-care part of everything
00:34:33
and like that's harder than um then it sounds sometimes but yeah it's I don't know that cricket
00:34:42
I think is just the greatest game for that sort of stuff because there's so many highs and lows but it's all in
00:34:49
perspective as well but you still feel it because that's what you do so yeah
00:34:52
and I know you love your running and that's some something I really try and do when I'm on tour because sometimes
00:34:58
you can play but actually like when you're in London just getting out going for a jog and millions of people
00:35:04
realizing that no one really cares about what you're doing a cricket field at the
00:35:09
end of the day you care but it's very small and the experience you like most
00:35:14
things in life I guess yeah um yeah I've heard that you see you you're you're the
00:35:18
one that's most likely to like rally up a few teammates and get out for a morning run
00:35:23
yeah we love on tour especially later on the tour everyone gets a bit tired but when we first get some of the Run Club
00:35:29
the white fins run club and I've often there's jet lag so we're awake at like
00:35:33
six o'clock so we're all excited by the end of the Tour all sleeping until 10
00:35:36
but yeah I just think running is just just like that's another thing like Korea it's just such a beautiful thing
00:35:43
like you don't feel like doing it sometimes you don't want to do it but you never regret when you get out there
00:35:48
and running with other people it's like the endorphins and I don't know getting
00:35:52
up going for a run with friends and having brunch like you can't really be in a bad mood after that something might
00:35:58
happen in the day but if you start your day like that so when we're on tour I
00:36:02
know like people get homesick they miss their friends and family I just think it's a great way to start the day and
00:36:07
like when we're in Sri Lanka it was so cool we like running along in these like
00:36:11
police guys running with us the tuk-tuks there's like cows on the street and
00:36:15
we're like dodging and all these people like clapping as we run past it was like
00:36:19
30 degrees and 90 humidity so they were like what are they doing lots of fun yeah I I agree like people
00:36:29
say oh you love running but it's like well sometimes I love running and sometimes I [ __ ] hate it but there's
00:36:34
there's one consistent with every single run and that's as soon as I finish I
00:36:38
always feel amazing and I never regret it and I feel good for hours afterwards whether it was a good run or a bed run
00:36:44
it's magical so you you mentioned the Olympics before so you went to the 2008
00:36:49
Olympics in Beijing that was for basketball playing so you were like 19 at the time 20 at the time yeah 9 19
00:36:55
yeah yeah you see I've seen some photos maybe on your Instagram review playing
00:36:59
it you look so young eh yeah the freckles no you still look incredibly young now
00:37:07
but you just look like a like a kid that's crazy so you make the um the team
00:37:13
to go to the Olympics um I'm guessing basketball there's probably no expectation really of New
00:37:18
Zealand to win a medal right so you you're kind of there as a tourist would you say or is that is that a mean thing
00:37:23
to say no that's not at all I sort of have I look back on that X experience and
00:37:29
said I was so overweight I was 19 from Dunedin and I'd watch the Olympics on TV and I I was
00:37:37
like man that'll be cool to go to an Olympics but I kind of didn't think it
00:37:41
was going to happen but it worked out that Australia won the world Champs so we had a easier qualification and I just
00:37:48
got there and every day I was like overwhelmed you know like you were seeing Roger Federer you was like even
00:37:54
the New Zealand athletes that we had at the time like Valerie Adams and the Hamish bonds and Eric Murray and the
00:38:02
gold medalists and you were kind of in that bubble that for so long you just watched on TV and um just walking around
00:38:09
the village and there was free stuff everywhere and there's this massive Food
00:38:13
Hall with a 24-hour McDonald's which was like you just got off ignored a 12 Big
00:38:18
Macs if you wanted to obviously we were athletes um and yeah we competed hard but like we I don't know
00:38:27
where our ranking was but the fact that we won our first game and we didn't win
00:38:31
any games after that but we uh definitely parted afterwards yeah that's what you'd hope with the Olympics I
00:38:38
guess it's someone that's that's never never been never has a chance of going
00:38:41
you just want to get your event over and done with early so you can enjoy the whole Olympic experience there'd be
00:38:45
nothing worth saying than you know having your event on the last day or something so did you guys take advantage
00:38:50
of the McDonald's or do you have it's quite weird isn't it because I suppose
00:38:54
they're a big sponsor of the Olympics but you don't associate necessarily
00:38:58
McDonald's with um you know the elite yeah Sports people of the world did you
00:39:02
have like a nutritionist or anyone on your team that's like now girls easier
00:39:06
is he on the big mix well it was cut like and I I guess go in there with the expectation to win gold
00:39:14
you can't embrace it how we embraced it yeah it's a different experience we
00:39:19
played we got there we trained hard we ate well but when we'd finished you can't let you stay until everyone leaves
00:39:26
what a shame they probably do it different now it's covered but like the New Zealand athletes we I think we had
00:39:32
nine days where we'd finished and we got to stay at the village and I was like
00:39:36
what do they expect us to do like we just went out every night and would end up at McDonald's every night and but
00:39:43
there it's funny you turn up to the Olympics well this was my experience and
00:39:48
everyone at the start keeps themselves as very serious training and then it slowly just capitulates to like this uni
00:39:56
college party and there's unfortunate athletes that are at the end but you can
00:40:01
just see everyone just gets loose because for four years some of these oh yeah highly strung for four years just
00:40:06
thinking about this every day so so we were part of that and we got amongst it and it was yeah
00:40:12
those people that I had that work with are some of my closest mates we just are spread out all over the world and we
00:40:18
don't see each other but we had a good time and your your whole family went over to watch and support as well that
00:40:23
must have been incredible it was very cool and I remember sort of the moment that like with my older brothers I was
00:40:29
like yeah I'm at the Olympics and like I've made it and they they're proud of
00:40:35
me and I'm sure they always were but that was kind of a moment for me and I was getting them into After parties so
00:40:40
that made me feel like I was the cool younger sister so I remember looking up and the stands when the first national
00:40:46
anthem came on and they were all there so yeah that was the first time probably in my International career that I'd had
00:40:53
everyone watching me so were you like nervous at the time like have you ever sort of suffered like a thing called
00:41:00
imposter syndrome or or no were you just sort of I deserve to be here I belong here we
00:41:06
didn't just didn't even sort of think about it that I got drops the toward just before
00:41:14
the Olympic selection so I remember missing out on the 12 and I was like oh my Olympic dream's over but I gave it
00:41:21
everything and I sort of accepted that but that tour didn't go very well so then I just was I'm just going to train
00:41:27
as hard as I can until this whole campaign's over and they came back and like unfortunately some people in that
00:41:35
Squad had failed but I almost hadn't been in the coach's eyes and I'd worked
00:41:39
really hard and so I felt lucky to make the 12 so when I got there I didn't really feel the expectation I knew I'd
00:41:46
be on the bench but I just every time I went on I was gonna give it my goal and I actually had
00:41:52
probably one of my best games for New Zealand at the Olympics against Spain um and that was quite a cool moment
00:41:59
because after that I thought I can actually really compete at International level where I always felt otago level
00:42:05
but the next step up and playing against proper International Teams I didn't
00:42:10
quite believe I had the school but that was a moment there I can do this yeah yeah good for you and and you mentioned
00:42:16
Roger Federer before like did you did you meet anyone like at the Olympics or did you leave them alone you sort of see
00:42:23
them from actually this is probably before like phones with cameras right not quite that there were cameras but
00:42:29
like on shitty nokias or yeah and I was I don't know I was too shy which is a
00:42:35
sort of a regret because it's the most Dunedin thing ever I know and you feel
00:42:38
like like everyone's doing everyone's there doing the same things you don't
00:42:42
want to pester you're not like a fan you felt like you were an athlete and if
00:42:46
everyone was coming up to you you're going to be annoying so but I sort of regret that because it was my one chance
00:42:51
but we did meet the dream team which was the highlight of my entire life oh the US men's team yes
00:42:59
yeah what was the circumstances from other Olympic athletes better be like what what an Olympics
00:43:11
they had um this we've been and watched the men's final and the security guards was like
00:43:19
everyone was cheering for Spain and they were like a huge here for us you can come to the after party
00:43:25
and I don't even know how that really happened but I didn't really believe it
00:43:28
we went back to the village and then next minute of the school was like the bus is here we've got to go we've got to
00:43:34
go and we rushed out and it was the basket the men's American basketball team on the bus and we got taken to this
00:43:40
rooftop party they had all these curtains pulled on the bus and they were like no selfies no photos we had to go
00:43:47
off the back of the bus they went off the front and then we're up in this rooftop party with the Dream Team just
00:43:54
hanging out so that's when I said out loud it's still I'm like I don't even know how it
00:43:59
happened but it did it's born because yeah so LeBron James was on the team Kobe was Kobe in the team yeah Kobe was
00:44:05
in the team you made him I did meet Kobe which um yeah they were having a good time the
00:44:11
the men's team but yeah it was what do you mean what's the interaction or the
00:44:16
conversation well we just got put in this like Booth with all these free drinks and they were sort of sitting
00:44:22
around and one of the girls and I was like oh my gosh it's so embarrassing it
00:44:27
was like she plays Cricket for New Zealand and I'll never forget Dwyane Wade who
00:44:32
was at the time one of my favorites he was like you're telling me you play a game
00:44:38
for five days and you don't get a result that's what he knew about cricket and I
00:44:42
was like oh and I was just so awkward and shy um but we just I don't know we
00:44:47
just talked and partied and I just I don't even know I probably didn't say
00:44:52
much because I was like so yeah and David Beckham was at the party well oh you almost overlooked that one
00:45:01
oh yeah oh yeah by the way he was an extra VIP section um Dirk nowitzky was around those
00:45:08
Olympics is um a pretty big time player and yeah we just partied with celebrities
00:45:17
unbelievable I thought the All Blacks you know would call and then I went to the Olympics oh yeah that's no that's
00:45:23
that's next level so it was LeBron a big deal at the time it was this fairly
00:45:26
early on in his what if you remember about him as he was himself it's like hi I'm LeBron I'm like no [ __ ]
00:45:39
yeah we know mate yeah isn't that funny isn't that funny so um I'm going to drop a name here nowhere as
00:45:47
good as your name dropped though but um uh one of my friends Christian used to play I loved Christian and um many years
00:45:53
ago uh Tiger Woods came to New Zealand to play the New Zealand golf open in paraparaumo and Christian and a bunch of
00:46:00
other All Blacks they they got the chance to go there and meet them so they're waiting in the car park
00:46:04
specifically for Tiger to turn up so they can meet him I mean tiger gets out of his car and goes around everyone and
00:46:09
does the same thing like hi I'm Tiger Woods and Christian's like yeah I know
00:46:13
who the [ __ ] you are like we've been waiting here 45 minutes for you isn't
00:46:16
there something so LeBron's the same yeah he yeah made a point it was really
00:46:20
friendly and I just yeah I was like hi I'm sitting here but yeah very cool it
00:46:27
was um I I really don't even know how we got ourselves in that position but it
00:46:32
was um the highlight of the Olympics other than the first game that we won of course
00:46:36
yes I'm sure the um yeah the New Zealand Olympic Committee was Sports funding New
00:46:42
Zealand would hate to hear that highlight of the [ __ ] games as meetings yeah um so what do you get like a a
00:46:49
participation like medal or certificate you know saying you made the New Zealand
00:46:53
Squad and like what's the trinkets or souvenirs do you get you get a lot these
00:46:59
um it's actually really cool like you get a number so you're Olympian I think
00:47:03
as 194 and you get a bed and that's your number forever um you get like this photo board of
00:47:10
every single athlete that attended that Olympics um you know there's lots of like we've got
00:47:17
a ponamu fern yeah and I've kept so much of that stuff so let a Blazer uniform and
00:47:26
idea just that you're an Olympic Athlete and I think what's really cool is I got
00:47:31
when we went with Cricket to the Commonwealth Games is that was about middling so I felt like I'd had the
00:47:38
experience of participating and being involved and then the Commonwealth Games it was like we're here to win a medal
00:47:44
and it was a different experience so sort of got the best of both yeah yeah yeah it's funny that I yeah two very I
00:47:51
mean there's yeah so there's the the Olympics where you're going as a
00:47:55
basketball player so no expectations of doing well um and then you Commonwealth Games as a
00:47:59
cricketer where like if you guys got a bronze but I suppose like anything less than it coming home with the middle you
00:48:05
know people would call you chokers because the expectations that High um but also there's the age difference
00:48:10
as well you're very young at the Olympics probably like a bit naive you know
00:48:15
and then you sort of I wouldn't experienced you know one of the like key members of the squad for the com games
00:48:20
yeah it was I like remember thinking like there's so many distractions of uh
00:48:28
games whether it's Olympic or Commonwealth Games and I remember just talking to some of
00:48:33
the young girls because I was like Embrace that like but know when it's time to not Embrace that because we
00:48:39
probably am impressed a whole lot more back in 2008 but it was like don't not
00:48:45
embrace it because you need to get to the Village be amongst to be just an athlete not a cricketer but then when
00:48:51
it's time to go to training and Cricket let's make sure we're here and we're
00:48:55
doing our job and then we can switch off and we had a lot of young players so I felt it was almost a benefit to have
00:49:01
been there before and know what to expect but yeah to stand on that Podium um that was yeah that's also one of my
00:49:09
highlights so um but there's been so many highlights as we discussed before you're not one that
00:49:16
spends much time like looking back but um one day maybe that time will come and um [ __ ] there's a lot of highlights to
00:49:23
get through where is that bronze medal been not being a sock drawer no idea what was annoying as I because
00:49:29
we were on the road after that for a long time so I had to send the bag home um it's in
00:49:35
like I've got because my parents moved house and my house I didn't want too
00:49:41
much clutter but I've got one box that sits in my bookshelf with that middle I
00:49:48
think it's got like I have like a hundredth kept from the white Ferns and it's got a few of the really special
00:49:53
things but yeah that's funny you get those things but you don't really sit
00:49:57
them out on display so something oh I would yeah maybe yeah maybe one day you'll get like just a room a dark room
00:50:05
yeah but yeah I have them and sometimes I know when you're moving or shifting
00:50:11
you do get out and you're sort of Reminisce yeah it's a very humble way to
00:50:15
be a I don't know do you think that's because if like from us from a reasonably small
00:50:21
city in New Zealand or is it just how you are as a person uh I think it's probably how my family
00:50:29
brought me up and I've always had three siblings there I think keep you pretty grounded and I think it is a
00:50:38
little bit the Dunedin and otago way we don't I don't know we not too showy no we're
00:50:45
not showy at all and I don't know I just always feel like what I do and this is gonna sound
00:50:52
probably a bit bad but it's sort of insignificant in the scheme of really important stuff that goes on I I get to
00:51:00
do a hobby or a passion and it's quite a selfish Pursuit so I'm like I know like
00:51:06
I'm proud of what I've done but it's also not as important as a lot of other
00:51:12
stuff out there so yeah I don't know what about your degree so you've got a
00:51:16
degree like a sports Society by the way I don't know how you've fed all this
00:51:19
stuff up you know Cricket for New Zealand basketball for New Zealand and a degree
00:51:23
to fall back on just in case sport didn't work out spoiler alert it's worked out just fine but like most
00:51:29
people I think get their degree framed and have it have it hanging somewhere ship my Doctor Who's in his 60s she used
00:51:34
to go to her degree hanging on the wall where's yours is it in that box well
00:51:39
it's now in a box it was hanging in my room at my parents house because that
00:51:42
was that took me six years and that was that was a battle because I started for Zed school and at time I wasn't like I'm
00:51:51
going to get paid to play sports so it was really important I was like I need to get this done while I'm doing my
00:51:55
hobbies is what it felt like but then there'd be a trip to India or a trip to
00:51:59
England and then I'd sort of put it off or there's just something exciting
00:52:04
coming up and uni was just so boring compared to traveling the world playing sport but I sort of just kept chipping
00:52:09
away and I'm so glad I did even though at the time oh yeah why if it doesn't
00:52:15
feel like a waste of years like you're never going to use that degree no no but
00:52:18
because I was I was still doing what I wanted to do as well it wasn't like it
00:52:24
was to sacrifice getting those opportunities I could train you know like you can't
00:52:30
train all day so using my brain in other ways and just to finish it and if it hadn't
00:52:35
worked out had I got injured or something at least they kind of had that um and I I probably that's up with some
00:52:42
of the younger players I'm like keep using your brain not to sacrifice being
00:52:47
the best cricketer you can be but I think it's healthy yeah so what was your
00:52:51
Dunedin experience like did you did you flatten it all you just lived at home no
00:52:54
my I'd say that so I wasn't a true scarf you're like a bit of a nerd I suppose it
00:52:59
like you were you know doing your sports stuff so you're probably training a lot
00:53:02
you've probably never got into the hole no it wasn't great the bows to be fair still I'm still not
00:53:10
uh I think that's something to be proud of though I have an alter ego let's see
00:53:16
yeah that's what happens when um Susie has a bit too much to drink so we try to or
00:53:23
when I was younger bits he came out more often she makes an appearance every now
00:53:27
and then there's a running joke I guess bitsy out tonight or is it just because
00:53:31
Susie's boring to everyone else um but yeah I don't know I sort of was at home
00:53:35
and not I didn't like flat or go into holes I've flooded a couple of years
00:53:41
later but I was sort of there trying to get it done and then I'd go off and play
00:53:44
sports so it was a very different experience it never went to a castle Street party I never went to there I
00:53:50
went into like the old Captain Cook Tavern like the Sunday sessions occasionally
00:53:54
um I don't know why it's a bad idea but obviously it's such a bitsy thing yeah
00:53:59
so what's um what's bitsy like uh when did she come out is it like three drinks
00:54:04
four drinks uh probably three now that's right yeah uh she just is very excitable and up for
00:54:11
anything I'm like sensible Susie and then Betsy is just like let's go I reckon to get out of this form slump
00:54:17
you're talking about at the moment I reckon carefully quiets and get bitsy out there give it to you go with the bet
00:54:21
we did give it a good nudge on Tuesday the group actually there's because we
00:54:25
played four games in eight days and so there's a ship that's like parked
00:54:30
right outside a hotel like docked but they it's like a bar outdoor bar so we
00:54:34
booked a table and we did have a few drinks which was nice actually because everyone was a bit gutted after
00:54:39
Tuesday's game so it is there's a time and a place for it I think to switch off
00:54:43
not you don't always need alcohol but sometimes there's a team that's um a
00:54:47
good way to kind of connect and yeah let you hear down a bit yeah yeah all right
00:54:52
so we've talked about LeBron before and and David Beckham um I scrolled way back
00:54:57
through your Instagram um there's some other celebrities as well like uh Charlie Watts the late
00:55:03
drummer for The Rolling Stones there's a photo of you with Charlie Watts yeah
00:55:06
that's enough I just don't know how they I've just been in the right place at the
00:55:09
right time um so they loved Cricket the Rolling Stones and they were touring Australia and they were in Perth and
00:55:16
they came to the weka for like a tour of the ground and we happened to be training and there was another overseas
00:55:22
player at the time and they came and she was from England so then they met her and then we got VIP tickets a group of
00:55:30
us from the weka we went backstage with Mick Jagger and I never forget he had like one shoe
00:55:37
off like his Barefoot the other shoe on and head Cricket on the there must have been a test match on and they were
00:55:42
watching the cricket what was he up to I don't know it was so odd and I was like was it in
00:55:49
the process of getting getting dressed or I haven't he must have been we just
00:55:52
came in but he just I just remember there's a bit one Barefoot watching the cricket and they just were getting ready
00:55:58
to go on stage and then we had really good seats and I just remember thinking for his age like that performance was
00:56:06
intense but I thought he was going to pass out because there's nothing to him
00:56:09
and he was just up and about the whole performance but yeah I that was pretty I didn't probably appreciate it yeah what
00:56:18
sort of um were you like a musical household growing up were your parents into music or did you know who the
00:56:24
Rolling Stones were or I mean everyone knows who they are but you're a fan of
00:56:27
the music not really yeah I feel like it was wasted on me because I I wasn't a
00:56:31
massive fan I thought it was pretty cool but like I wasn't a huge fan my dad
00:56:35
played the guitar and loved singing and we loved just like around the campfire the old guitar and Tom was pretty into
00:56:42
his music like I remember pill jam CDs um getting smashed on road chips but I love music but yeah I felt like everyone
00:56:51
was like well and we got drumsticks signed by Charlie Shane yeah Charlie Charlie wow really is that
00:57:02
in the special box no I have kept them because Tom was like they're worth something so yeah and he's passed away
00:57:07
now when when this is very crass but when these celebrities die the memorabilia goes that goes up a lot in
00:57:13
value not that you're worried about money these days so no no photo of Mick Jagger
00:57:18
no because it was we were oh we might have got a group photo we were with the um the Western Cricket
00:57:26
Association there's like a group of us so Justin Langer was the head coach at
00:57:30
the time so he was there um and we sort of just got shown around backstage and I just kind of was there
00:57:36
for the ride but yeah Susie these stories are incredible I know yeah unbelievable it's actually
00:57:43
nice to sit and just you know talk about them because you don't go hey guess what
00:57:46
I'm in Mick Jagger do you because you yeah well I wouldn't have even known
00:57:50
this unless I went real deep on your on your early Instagram stuff but it's amazing like there's never going to be
00:57:56
another it's hard to imagine there's going to be another band ever like the
00:57:59
Rolling Stones like the people are still pulling out Arenas and stadiums and they've been together like I think Mick
00:58:03
Jagger just recently turned 80. they were incredible for their age like yeah it was inspiring stuff sure and
00:58:10
you'd you would have been frothing more Eddie Vedder or someone yeah that's unbelievable next time it happens
00:58:19
I'll just um get you the inbox at least do yourself a favor and get a photo um okay any other celebrities I need to
00:58:27
know about no I think they're the top of the tree I'm guessing every cricketer in the game
00:58:33
um I hope like who are you really tight with or who who have you got that's like
00:58:37
a mentor are there any mentors that you've got is anyone like um say like if if if you
00:58:44
know if you're betting poorly or something happens does like Brendan McCallum text you and say hey I've been
00:58:48
watching yeah she did though oh really uh in like not really from the men's game
00:58:55
but I've just had coaches over the years um so Craig come in at the moment is the
00:59:01
otago women's Coach and so he's kept in touch and like he's really supportive uh
00:59:07
Warren Lee's who used to coach um Now sort of retired and Clyde but I'll ring him every now and then and he
00:59:14
just makes me laugh really but he coached otago for five years coached the white fins for one tournament and I just
00:59:21
really enjoyed his philosophy so he's been a bit of a I guess just someone to
00:59:26
chew the fat over especially when I was Captain and like struggled with some of that stuff just to talk to a voice that
00:59:33
was outside of the group um Mike shrimpton probably had the biggest influence on my betting but he
00:59:39
passed away sadly for probably 2014 Just when I'd done a lot of work with him for
00:59:46
my batting but like he just got the mental side of the game and you could talk to him about
00:59:50
anything so he was a huge influence and yeah those are probably the people that I go to other than my family and
00:59:59
um you know there's people in the cricket team that you you talk to like um yeah like Amy sethway it was around
01:00:07
Katie Martin so I feel like I've always had people around that you can talk to
01:00:11
about anything which is really important when you're away from your family and
01:00:14
friends for so long you need those people and it's not everyone but there's
01:00:18
people that you're closer to yeah um yeah let's talk about Amy's Amy Seth
01:00:22
this way sir that's pretty good um yeah there's um uh stalking your Instagram there's a post that you wrote
01:00:33
to her maybe about a year ago um after she missed out on selection it's a heartbreaking post by the way
01:00:39
it's like a it's a beautiful tribute but it's um it's a really hard read so she
01:00:44
just wasn't selected for the team yeah we after the Homeworld cup the expectation was that we'd make the
01:00:52
semi-final and we just had some really close games and we didn't perform a as a senior batting
01:01:00
group and we haven't perhaps nailed that in the last few World Cups and they made
01:01:07
some massive change in Amy and Katie Madden retired through her own will but Amy was Keen to keep playing and they
01:01:15
made their decision for her and yeah it was just really hard at the time because I felt like we were very similar
01:01:22
in terms of our age our experience our contributions to the team and I sort of thought why her and not me it could have
01:01:29
easily been either of us and yeah it was kind of a kick up the bum as well to not take your position for
01:01:37
granted which I don't think I ever have but it was just a reminder and yeah I
01:01:42
just really felt for her because she desperately wanted to keep playing and someone else
01:01:47
made that decision I know that happens in sport and that yeah it's no one's
01:01:50
it's no one's right to keep playing but yeah just what she'd done for the game
01:01:54
it was hard to watch and yeah we mess around the group but um obviously with Leah and the team and
01:02:01
Grace their little girl traveled with us a lot so we've stayed pretty connected
01:02:06
but yeah she's moved on but I think it's just sad when you know it's done that
01:02:12
way and probably wasn't the best way it could have been managed so you feel for
01:02:16
you feel for her and you just hope that you get the choice but you may not well that's that's the thing you only go out
01:02:23
two ways a and I suppose that's the thing knowing when to when to pull the pen and you love it so much that you
01:02:28
don't want to pull the pull the pin unnecessarily early but yeah yeah that's a tough one yeah I mean
01:02:35
everyone would want to go out on their own terms like you say yeah and very few athletes I think in cricket get that
01:02:42
opportunity so I think that's accepting that and having that as a realization but yeah I have to think
01:02:50
about that constantly like when is when is the right time because this is it's
01:02:54
hard when like this was your dream and this is all I've wanted to do whether it
01:03:00
was cricket or not be an athlete now I'm living my dream you're financially
01:03:03
rewarded so it's sort of yeah not hanging in too long you want to make sure you're still contributing
01:03:10
um but maybe sometimes you need someone to tap you on the shoulder maybe you just
01:03:15
Betsy you've ever said you're welcome and you get or you have the opportunity
01:03:19
to go out but yeah I don't know I just know once I'm done it's forever and that's exciting
01:03:27
um but I just love it and I you know some people don't enjoy training anymore
01:03:30
or touring I'm a pretty good tourist and I love training it's just that purpose
01:03:35
of getting up um and achieving so yeah there's going to be a void no matter what but I'll probably go out running
01:03:41
and maybe I'll join you on some some events yeah you do some runs I've heard that you're quite Keen to do the
01:03:48
old ghost Ultra at some point I think that looks so cool yeah I do because I'm
01:03:53
not roadrunning probably with I've had a few sort of plant Fisher and heel issues
01:03:57
but I love the trail running just being in nature so I do think once I finish I'm going to enter some sort of race a
01:04:04
year out so it gives me that kind of motivation but we'll see what that is yeah maybe our ghost is a bit far first
01:04:10
up I think it's yeah what is it 89ks 89ks I think um whatever happens next I I I've got no
01:04:18
doubt that you'll be sweet like um some of the people I've interviewed on this
01:04:21
podcast it's like um the sports side of things ends but it's whatever you do next you're going
01:04:27
to be [ __ ] good at because it's slightly is transferable skills you know you you're discipline and your work
01:04:32
ethic and the growth mindset you've got so whatever you do you're going to be
01:04:36
amazing it may not be on the same sort of stage but you're gonna be you're
01:04:39
going to be good because it's just how you go as a person I think that's
01:04:42
exciting too yeah and it is and you kind of don't know until you stop because
01:04:47
this takes up so much of your time but it's really nice place to be in because
01:04:51
I've kind of accepted all of that and no you're at peace yeah I'm at peace with
01:04:56
what I've achieved and what I've done and I know it'll end and like I've just
01:05:02
loved honestly I've Loved all aspects of it like I've loved the hard times which
01:05:08
sounds so silly but I think the good times have just been so much better because there's been some struggles and
01:05:14
that you feel like even back in the day you felt like woman sport just wasn't
01:05:19
appreciated or you know what you did wasn't valued and now it is and that's a really cool
01:05:26
feeling yeah yeah well um so Kendrick oxygi who I had on the podcast after the uh the Women's World Cup last year
01:05:32
um she was saying in the early days like they'd hand me down jerseys and we're
01:05:36
flying economy class everywhere so she's probably in a different sport but similar situation to you where she's got
01:05:42
the privilege of you know going through those Bleak years and having some enjoyable years at the end
01:05:48
yeah and it's it's just a feeling of it was kind of like no one really took
01:05:55
notice or care does that's a strong word but um and then it was kind of like there was a
01:06:01
phase where I reckon people pretended to care and tried really hard to invest in
01:06:05
care and then it was like the genuine care and passion and like understanding that and it's not just in qriket we've
01:06:13
watched it unfold in all female sports where they saw you know they've seen on
01:06:19
the same level as their male counterparts and like it's genuine and that's what's really cool watching the
01:06:25
football World Cup at home like that first game gave me goosebumps and every time I see picked out stadiums for
01:06:32
female sport I just like makes me so happy yeah oh no it's it's amazing um
01:06:37
and the Nick A friend of mine has got a nine-year-old son called Benjamin and he
01:06:42
sometimes he'll get out of bed in the middle of the night and she'll be like
01:06:45
what's the noise and he'll be in the TV watching whatever whatever cricket's on
01:06:49
TV women's means whatever yeah some obscure like Indian League thing in the middle of the night he'll be watching
01:06:55
the games and it's like yeah you guys are you guys are heroes now so I heard
01:06:59
when you were growing up with your brothers who who were you who are you pretending to be were you like um
01:07:04
Chris Keynes and Nathan astel probably not Mark Richardson no one was pretending to be Mark Richardson no
01:07:12
um are you one of the boys at one of the girls no it's when there's a thing is
01:07:15
like what is cool though they played the 2000 World Cup which New Zealand won on TV and I'd watched boys and I was
01:07:26
like Nathan Nestle's so cool but you kind of didn't it's not like you won you
01:07:30
couldn't be them so you didn't think about that you didn't have aspirations
01:07:33
to play for New Zealand and it wasn't until I saw the white fans I was like cool like I want to be a white fan and
01:07:39
that's what is so cool now as like young girls can be and boys can be anything
01:07:45
they want because it's in their face and it's like the norm so it's not like
01:07:49
women's sport or men's sport or women's Cricket men's crickets just cricket and
01:07:53
they 100 a boy could their favorite player could be Sophie Divine that could be okay
01:08:00
it could end like they don't if a girl was playing in their cricket team you
01:08:06
know it was a bit of my day it was like oh this dear girl whereas now it's just
01:08:10
like the norm and that's they don't know any different which is really cool yeah
01:08:13
I think it's fantastic and how's how's your mental health been over the years
01:08:17
yeah I mean it's it's a tough sport I mean you said before like it's mentally
01:08:21
a big thing is your mental health been good I mentioned Sophie's been on the
01:08:24
podcast and I'm guessing you were sort of with her in the squad at that time
01:08:28
where she had like a horrendous breakdown is yours been good yeah like I feel like
01:08:34
everyone's got a spectrum of mental health and obviously Sophie and merely have had
01:08:42
real battles and they've been really open about it which I think has really helped players in our environment and
01:08:47
they've talked about it um yeah I feel like with my mental health there's been times
01:08:55
when it's been low on the Spectrum there's times when it's up here and I've
01:09:00
always felt like I've had really good support and strategies and knowing what to do when I'm here
01:09:07
I've never felt like I haven't been able to take care of myself so I've never
01:09:11
been at that end where some people have um yeah I kind of I guess I just know what I need to do
01:09:20
to stay positive to look after myself and a lot of that is exercise when I'm
01:09:25
away eating while connecting and I've never been at that point where I can't
01:09:30
do that um I had a real struggle I think it was 2000 and 14 I I was really stressed
01:09:42
about a lot of things going on at the time and my body just sort of shut down on me and
01:09:49
I just remember waking up and I had pins and needles on my feet and was about to play a cricket game and I
01:09:57
said to Physio both my feet have pins and needles and I was like drinking a lot of the
01:10:02
time and I was a little bit homesick and I had a few things I was dealing with and then played that game and then the
01:10:09
next day the pins and needles let up my legs and I was like this is not all good
01:10:13
and flew home and went to Physio and she was like you need to go to the doctor and then I sort of like numb down and I
01:10:22
was I didn't I was just there was a lot going on like in the turmoil and I was
01:10:27
just stressed what what brought it on was it Cricket based or no it was a little bit it was just you know the age
01:10:32
where you're just so and I was just uncertain about everything like I was kind of probably mid-20s where I wasn't
01:10:39
sure Cricket wasn't really career so I was like what am I gonna do I was always away from home and I was
01:10:45
sort of following it felt like I was following this pointless dream because I wasn't really earning
01:10:52
and I sort of was just worried about everything I was worried about my future um relationships just there was a lot
01:10:59
going on and yeah then I went to the hospital and had a scan and I was actually diagnosed with mild Ms and that
01:11:08
was probably like the hardest thing because I couldn't feel my legs I remember going
01:11:15
for a run the next day and like I couldn't I could head sensation but I didn't have full sensation and I went to
01:11:22
run and I just burst into tears because I was like where are my legs gone and like what I did was physical and my
01:11:30
coach wearing these at the time we had a game for Targo and he was like just come
01:11:34
because with Ms you don't know like the symptoms are there you don't know if
01:11:39
they're gonna so that's multiple sclerosis what does that mean exactly well I've
01:11:44
I've got multiple sclerosis and I had a relapse um which I believe was brought on by
01:11:52
stress and I've obviously got the generous I'm susceptible to it and I had
01:11:58
a relapse which caused um feeling sensation gone and then I took about a steroids and then got put on a
01:12:06
medication for the rest of my life pretty much and that thankfully that balusteros got rid of those that relapse
01:12:14
and this medication has controlled the symptoms and but I do think it's a lot
01:12:20
of down to physically and mentally looking after myself and I think had I not potentially
01:12:26
had that episode my mental health wasn't in a great place but I learned physically and mentally
01:12:32
what I needed to stay healthy and yeah that was just an appreciation of your body I don't know I was at a young
01:12:42
age where I was invincible and I've always been able to do whatever I liked but that was like whoa if you don't look
01:12:47
after yourself you're not going to be able to do this um yeah does it flare up now or no no
01:12:52
I've been so lucky this medication [Music] um yeah it keeps it under control and yeah
01:13:01
there's probably certain things that may flare it up and I may never have a relapse again with or without the
01:13:08
medication there's so many unknowns I think that's the hardest thing about it
01:13:10
and there's so many different levels of symptoms um but yeah initially I everything I did was effective in it but
01:13:18
I'm so much more relaxed as like I live with it and um it hasn't affected my career yeah you
01:13:24
just find a way to like coexist with it yeah yeah one thing I've I've got from
01:13:29
this podcast students so far is you realize like everyone everyone at some point is going to deal with some
01:13:34
adversity like it's just part of being a [ __ ] human um and there was another story here
01:13:39
about you you had a coach I don't know how old you were but um you got told that you had the skill but not the
01:13:44
fitness when was this was this younger yep that was like teens 20s I reckon I was 15 or
01:13:51
16. right and what is that what does that mean exactly well basically a nice way of saying you're you're carrying too
01:13:58
much weight or well that's how I took it um I to be fair like on reflection with
01:14:04
um maturity I I had broken my collarbone and I had literally sat on the couch and
01:14:11
put on weight so then I just went you know that Mum felt sorry for me so she was feeding me like oh I have this cake
01:14:17
I'm so sad that you've got a [ __ ] combo and then I yeah it's not like you
01:14:24
could walk to the kitchen yourself and prepare a healthy snake exactly and I want the football World Cup was on and I
01:14:28
just sat in this Lazy Boy and watched the men's football World Cup whatever year it was um
01:14:32
and then went to under 18 New Zealand Trail and the guy afterwards was like doing the good news or the bad news the
01:14:40
good news is um your skills are your skills are up there they're good enough but you're not
01:14:47
fit enough to play international basketball and I just remember going to Mom another
01:14:52
said I'm fat I'm just gonna play cricket and I for two weeks salt um and then I decided because I'd played
01:15:02
sport but I hadn't consciously done Fitness I just played Sports and that was like when I saw a trainer at the
01:15:09
Moana pool gym and learned to train outside of my Sport and I probably cause maybe a slight addiction to exercise
01:15:16
because that was always when I was making teams I'm going to prove that I'm
01:15:22
fit enough so it became almost a little bit like a hyper fixate on yeah that's a
01:15:30
box that I can control I'm going to be fit and sometimes I'd overdo it and sort
01:15:34
of get the balance wrong but at that Level Fitness and to be able to play two sports it was important it was just
01:15:41
later on I probably got the intensity and um just resting and Recovery as well was
01:15:48
just as important so so a slap in the face like that I mean it at 15 you're not overly mature anyway
01:15:56
um but like how long how long are you sulking about it for or you know how long does it take before you go right
01:16:02
well [ __ ] you I'm gonna I'm gonna prove you wrong and bounce back from that I
01:16:06
reckon two weeks I was quitting and playing Cricket I've got Cricket like I don't need basketball like yeah yeah but
01:16:12
Shane wants you said no they've never said I need to be fitted um and then after that I realized
01:16:18
I wanted to play basketball in like perhaps he had a point um but then I reckon playing basketball
01:16:27
it was there the whole time of my International career that I needed to prove my fitness so that was through
01:16:33
that beep test it was always like a determination to be in the top sort of tier and I probably hang on it for like
01:16:41
far too long but I don't know sometimes when you have the book between your teeth and you want to prove people wrong
01:16:45
it's not the most healthy mindset but I think it also drives you oh no I I I I love it I I love using
01:16:53
haters as my motivators yeah because people that want to see no not that he did but people that want to see you fail
01:16:59
it's like flipping in the bird and saying [ __ ] you by doing well but also it's good for yourself to do well and
01:17:04
believe like telling when people tell you can't do something it's like actually I believe I can and that's
01:17:09
quite powerful without having to flip the bird sometimes yeah absolutely um this this might be a personal
01:17:16
question you can tell me to piss off if you don't want to answer this but do you
01:17:18
do you like want to have a family down the track do you hope to have kids yeah I go through for moments um
01:17:28
my oldest brother didn't have a kid in two years in his 40s and so my two brothers have got sort of 18 month year
01:17:37
old boys and so my parents are in their 70s and had to wait a long time so it wasn't
01:17:43
exactly I know poor mum she was I think she was desperate but finally now it's
01:17:48
all happened at once my younger sister Olivia's just had her first actually when I was on the flight over here she
01:17:53
came early so Marley Louis and Porter and it's hard to imagine with what I do
01:18:00
and it being sort of such a selfish Pursuit and relationship-wise it's even difficult
01:18:08
um I can't quite see it but then there's part of me now that my family said kids
01:18:13
especially my sister that I'm not putting out of the question but I I'm sort of 50 50. I feel like I'd be a
01:18:20
great mum and I'd love it yeah you would but yeah you're at PACE though if um
01:18:25
yeah it doesn't happen hey are you are you in a relationship um not currently but I've had some
01:18:32
long-term relationships that have sort of through covert as well and we're a
01:18:37
bit challenging um but currently yeah no I'm excited yeah I I mean I don't know how you could make that work
01:18:45
like how how many months of the year are you on the road this year um well I've here and then this finishes
01:18:53
and I go from here to Barbados so it's not a tough life really to play in a Caribbean league for a couple of weeks
01:19:00
and then I do get home for five days and then we go to South Africa with white Ferns and we'll go straight from South
01:19:08
Africa to Sydney so that's until December so from now until December we get like four or five nights at home so
01:19:15
and I kind of make that choice like I don't expect someone to accept that you
01:19:21
know like there's um there's been people but like I choose to keep doing this and yeah I sort of
01:19:28
don't expect them to make that sacrifice and I'm also at peace with it and I know
01:19:33
there'll be a time when I'm not doing this but my family like are good at
01:19:37
traveling around and I've seen them and yeah I like there's a lot of same-sex
01:19:43
relationships in cricket but I do believe that's part of it because you're
01:19:46
away so much it's really hard to when they're in the environment they're there
01:19:51
um and you know it's only starting to change now where players are earning enough to perhaps
01:19:56
fly their Partners over whereas in the men's game they've been earning money
01:19:59
and their other half could potentially not work so they could travel with them so there's just those dynamics that are
01:20:05
starting to shift that I think it will be easier to be able to travel with your partner even when you're on the road so
01:20:12
much yeah I suppose like every decision in life comes out comes at some sort of cost doesn't it and it sacrifices yeah
01:20:19
and I've always like had a coach and I'll never forget it he was like when we weren't paid but we
01:20:26
were playing for the white Ferns and he said Just remember like this is a choice
01:20:28
not a sacrifice so like I don't feel like I've sacrificed life to do this I've chosen to take this
01:20:36
path and I wouldn't have done it any other way and that comes with benefits and it comes with missing out on stuff
01:20:43
but I've consciously made that choice and there's consequences to that but like I also
01:20:48
wouldn't go back and change any of the choices I've made no shouldn't I yeah
01:20:52
sure that's been a hell of a life do you enjoy the um the travel and the suitcase
01:20:57
life what does it get a bit tedious must get tedious at times yeah yeah you get used to it and like
01:21:04
probably in a bad way sometimes when I've lived this lifestyle I get to Dunedin and I'm there for a week and it
01:21:12
feels like a year five o'clock I'm like what am I gonna do I like cook dinner go
01:21:18
to bed I'm like oh wow this is mundane but then I sort of get back into that
01:21:22
Rhythm and I'm like oh this is nice so that's probably a reflection of how I
01:21:27
have lived um yeah you you miss your people like even in this environment and lucky to have
01:21:33
some kiwis here but they're not your people and I think there will be a point
01:21:38
where they're outweighs Victorian life where I just want to be around my people
01:21:42
more and what what are you have you thought about what you want to do afterwards like you would still want to
01:21:47
be involved in the game like in commentary or coaching or anything or something completely different as I was
01:21:52
saying before like I reckon with like transferable skills like whatever you do you'll be [ __ ] great at
01:22:00
what are you 35 yes so I'm I'm 50 now when I was 35. yeah yeah yeah yeah oh
01:22:06
come on no you're doing good when um when I was 35 I thought like 50 life was
01:22:12
over and then you get there and it's like I went out for a 20K run today I've
01:22:16
got to stretch a lot more afterwards because my knees aren't what they used to be but it's like it's exciting when
01:22:21
you get there and you realize there's still a lot of life left to live so all
01:22:24
the stuff that you've done over the last like 20 years in cricket you could do
01:22:27
that again with something else something completely different and it's [ __ ]
01:22:31
exciting have you put much thought into that I've put a lot of thought because
01:22:34
it just especially since I think Amy and Katie left the game that kind of I started to I've started to just
01:22:42
prepare for that um and part of me I've done this for so long that you kind of become
01:22:50
institutionalized by cricket and the bubble that you're in and the people sometimes that's the only people you see
01:22:57
and I also love talking and meeting other people so part of me wants to remove myself a little bit but I feel
01:23:06
like there's so much I have to give to the game um and maybe that's a bit further down
01:23:11
the track but I've made sure like I'm doing my level three coaching course so
01:23:15
I can coach I've done some commentary at home and actually the BBC gave me an
01:23:20
opportunity yesterday which was really cool I just think the more you do that sort of stuff um the better you get so
01:23:27
was that your first time with the doing the commentary stuff the stuff with the BBC I've done some with Sparks but when
01:23:33
I was injured um and then I've done like the odd bits and pieces but that was
01:23:37
sort of thrown into it and um I enjoy talking about the game and especially when it's the woman's game so
01:23:44
I sort of feel there's an Avenue for that like why not do it um when there's
01:23:49
so much going on but there's also a part of me that is excited about doing something completely different and I
01:23:58
still think it'll be in the health sport women's sport area but not necessarily
01:24:03
Cricket so definitely not um phys Ed or nutrition bloody six-year degree well no
01:24:12
yeah probably not whatever it is um it's bloody exciting um thanks so much for meeting me today
01:24:19
for this podcast it's been really cool yeah we've just chatted it's been fun uh
01:24:24
sorry I was late again though um ah but it's only 30 minutes thanks for having me no I I was actually
01:24:31
I I was when you said oh I've had a mirror with the public transport and you
01:24:35
even called yourself um what was it Tina tourist tender tourist in the message which I I loved
01:24:41
I'm exactly the same I cannot get my I think it's just the way my brain works I
01:24:45
can't get my head around the public transport system here every time I think
01:24:48
I've got it I'll end up on the bus going somewhere completely wrong have to get
01:24:51
out an Uber back to my mate's place I'm a nightmare are you generally pretty
01:24:56
good and I thought I was good that's I've used it a lot and I sort of get my
01:25:00
backpack on and I just love exploring and yeah I'm gonna go here today and I
01:25:04
get the tube and I end up in like go places I don't actually do anything but
01:25:10
you feel like you've been out for the day so today yeah I just made a few bad
01:25:15
decisions which um yeah anyway I ended up what a scootering a biking tubing and ubering I didn't have to do
01:25:26
any of the I could have just done one of those but that's you know it's like a
01:25:29
shitty version of The Amazing Race but yep you made it here in the end are you where do you think you'll settle down
01:25:35
Dunedin do you think you'll always be as he uh because your brother does he used
01:25:40
to work at Snapchat or he worked at Snapchat for a while yep he lives in La yeah do you think you'll be Dunedin
01:25:46
and part of me like I said to you when I get to the end I'd love it because that's my family and where my friends
01:25:51
are but I feel like yeah maybe a bigger city when I've stopped playing it's nice now because I
01:25:59
go home I sort of switch off seeing my family and I leave but I think when I'm
01:26:04
there permanently Maybe yeah somewhere like Wellington or Auckland might be more appealing but
01:26:10
yeah I don't have to think about that just yet it's like I can pay my cheaper
01:26:14
Mortgage in Dunedin and travel geez with every one of these tournaments you could
01:26:19
just about buy a brand new house oh yeah my money no I'm trying I am being Smarter with it but yeah there's there's
01:26:27
hopefully a couple more years of earning in the game and then we'll see what
01:26:30
happens oh for sure yeah who is the oldest oldest player to play at the top level did Minnie make it to 40. there's
01:26:37
a lot of males that have made it to 40. Jimmy Anderson a lot of County cricketers over here
01:26:43
um I reckon matali Raj and Julian goswami two of Indians greats and they've just retired in the last so the
01:26:50
two years they were close to 37 38 I don't think many have made it to 40. I don't really plan on making it 40.
01:26:58
um yeah it's just a balance that we've got a 2020 World Cup next year and then
01:27:02
there's a 50 over World Cup the year after and and those are two things in the back of my mind and you can't plan
01:27:09
too much but um I know they're there and if I'm contributing we'll see how it goes but
01:27:15
after that 50 over World Cup um yeah there's sort of a bit of a break in you know this younger players coming
01:27:22
through so we'll see what happens that's kind of it's in India and I think it would be
01:27:27
really cool to be a part of but I also know you don't always control that and I
01:27:32
try not to plan too far ahead I just got this game on Saturday and then Caribbean
01:27:37
League which will be fun yeah well good luck for the game on Saturday hopefully um hopefully the form returns
01:27:43
you know if it's going around just far too slowly yeah there's either get out
01:27:48
or get on with it as my motto for Saturday yeah oh Susie Bates one of the greatest of all time uh thank you so
01:27:55
much for coming on the podcast and meeting me at the studio on Notting Hill and um all the best for whatever the
01:28:00
future brings as of as I've said numerous times in this chat I'm sure it's going to be epic thanks Don
01:28:05
[Music] thank you