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hey Runners only with dime Harley sitting here in an office at the back of his gym
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shame Cameron the box there morning mate morning brother morning thank you bloody
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good to see you bloody good to see you I'll tell you what um something that cracked me up about you you and me we
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sort of know each other I suppose reasonably well through interviews over the years we're boxing and dancing with
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the stars and whatever yeah um I think you've got no idea what my podcast is about do you yeah no no no so
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I just message you and you said you said yes no extra questions no what's it
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about what's the angle yeah okay so the podcast is called Runners only with dom
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Harvey okay and it's um because you know I'm passionate about my running you are
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so that's um yeah this sort of got a running theme to it and uh I I don't
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know what your relationship with running is like now but I'm guessing as a professional boxer
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um it's definitely like you know part of your part of your makeup as part of
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training for that yeah it is it is um we're getting nice get it nice and closer with um you know with the boxing
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um and with the running it's you know and I was a bit heavier too when I when
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I when I was boxing I was sort of around 105 kilos so I still struggle with shin
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splints and stuff like that because he's just got to push through and and it is
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what is so I never really liked the running you know because all I could just imagine was shin splints every day
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I run her you know or I used to love doing you know oh I do change it you know otherwise I do Sprints wind Sprints
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and stuff like that you know but you just had to be done because it was really the running you know obviously
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got the wind Sprints that's really good for your um you know so your your anaerobic
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thresholders so to speak and then you've got your aerobic running which is well
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for me running for running five to ten cases a big run for me yeah I've been
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being that way but but now I do a lot more running now you know well you do I'm a bit lighter yeah I'm a bit lighter
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and I actually I don't mind just you know like I said I'm not not a buddy
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running like you man like so 5Ks I'm pretty happy with a 5K run you know and
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I don't get any shin splints and I'm and I'm happy you know but it's just good
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for um good for your head I do a lot of thinking when I'm running to be honest
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mate like um I think you know my brain doesn't stop anyway but it's just good
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when I run and I think about things like man you know that'd be good to talk
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about this you know because I'm doing my little Yarns and stuff like that with my
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cool cups at home and and just all sorts you know think about the business and what I want to do and
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what I want to create and you know um so yeah there's so many benefits for me for
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running too oh yeah clears the head over there the um I bang on about the yeah the mental health benefits as much as
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the physical it's um really really good for that and um yeah so much of you mentioned there we want to talk about
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because um uh I I find what you've done post boxing inspirational like you're um
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you're a businessman you're an entrepreneur um you've got your gem Shan Cameron Jim
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which is a ballsy move setting up your own gym especially when there's like a
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gym on every corner in Auckland um you've got you you counter punch label which does boxing gear and things
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yeah I mean um a lot of boxes they they end the game and then they don't do smart stuff with their money but it
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seems like um you're doing okay yeah thank you mate I appreciate that it's
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it's like um I'm I'm one of those guys and it probably it hinders me sometimes
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because I'm I'm never content I'm never never happy you know um in some ways um
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but but at the same time I drive I'm a driver I know I know what I'm after I
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know where I want to get to you know I do whatever it takes to get there you know and like you pointed out and you
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know I've got the gym I've heard the gym for a while now and Jim's like I said
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Jim's like the areas there on every kill every corner you know so yeah and you're
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up against this one just over the road from where you are like a Snap Fitness or a jet or whatever it is that's right
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yeah you're up against those franchises shut up against it exactly so um but but
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you know hey we've been in the game for a long time you know so we know we're up
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against um but yeah yeah counter punch the boxing product that's that that's
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something that I started up probably about five years ago uh and off counterpunch then I run counter punch
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coaching courses which an accredited accredited coaching courses that I designed up you know obviously my
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background in boxing and coaching and understanding that and I really enjoy that I travel around the country with um
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delivering that course you know so I can pass people or fail People based on their ability
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um but it's about it's around growing their growing the sport in terms of the
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knowledge yeah I always say knowledge is power so the more knowledgeable we are as a personal trainer because those are
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the people that I'm targeting personal trainers they want to understand how to
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hold Pairs and different comedies combinations that flow that don't you know there's combinations that don't
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work and just everything from the footwork and the knowledge that I've learned over the years yeah I'm not
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saying I know everything but I know a little bit you know I've been in the game so I do love that aspect of um of
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the coaching side you know so um and uh I've got so many bloody things on uh
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sometimes that that are too many but anyway you know I've just just launched
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uh my app uh counterpunch fitness app so um that was launched before Christmas and um
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it's like this interview is just me just talking about the things the things I've
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got going on but maybe you just start talking no that's right no but it seems
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it seems to me like um even though it's a completely different skills to being a
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good boxer to being a good businessman but the uh like the drive and um I suppose the energy and the passion that
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you had in sport uh you've sort of transferred those skills to outside of the Ring yeah yeah yeah yeah I have you
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know like say um yeah you only get I'm a big believer I always say this always say you only get
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out what you put in right you know so if you only put five minutes in you can't
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expect to get 30 20 minutes out you know like it's just it is what it is you know
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and I'm pretty real with a lot of the people that I that I train and want to
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get results with in terms of health and fitness you know have you stuck to your meal
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plan oh oh well clearly yeah you're not getting the results because you're
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putting the hard work you know it's simple there's no there's no sugar
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coating hey you know you either put the work in you get the results and you get the results and that's the same with
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your boxing or in business you know you can't expect to have a thriving business
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that's going to generate all this money if you don't put any working you know so
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simple you know so um but I tell you what man I tell you what I like boxing is much easier than running a business
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much easier than running a business oh heck yeah take me back to boxing any day all right we we yeah listen there's so
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much I want to unpack with you there's so much so much to chat about first of
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all um like what what's what sports did you play growing up yeah yeah uh when I
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grew up in a little place called tiny little which is 50 minute driving then from Gisborne
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Country Town uh mum and dad live in the country they worked on a few Farms um my my goals and drives and
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aspirations from a young boy was to be a Shepherd to be a Shepherd ride a horse to work every day and that's what I did
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so I left the school uh as soon as I turned 15 because you're allowed to leave at 15 of their time and I had a
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full-time job offered a full-time job before so I knew where I was going so I worked on a farm just up the road it was
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7 000 Acre Farm I just loved it loved everything about it and already had five sheep dogs I had
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three horses and that's all I did that worked every day from 15 you know the
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the more work love working love everything and everything I do always want to be the best at it yeah well I
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become the best at it it doesn't matter but like in my head I want to be the
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best yeah I'm very competitive and that way you know and at 15 I want to be to
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be the best at everything I did without without you know big shoulders or anything like that just me I just just I
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just grind just said nothing very quiet very observed but I just I just did my thing you know uh and then then I I
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didn't place so I played rugby just nipple at school and then um I went to England so so I
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worked on three sheep stations then I was 19. I had a bad run run with my Sheepdogs where one had died another
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woman to nearly died they must eating some rat poison and that was the turning point so if you're thinking about
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turning points in your life because if that hadn't happened I would not be here
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sitting with you talking about my career unboxing there's no way yeah I'd still
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be farming because if those dogs hadn't have died I wouldn't have gone how old
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am I going to England for to do an OE because I knew about my you know people that I knew that went to England to do
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the OE yeah you know um and so within a month I handed my notice I said well so I'm going away I'll be back in six
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months you know and I found some of my dogs out and I plan to come back and carry on farming I'm in England I'm
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playing rugby and I was watching some boxing on TV one day I wouldn't mind giving that sport a
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go my grandfather used the box back in the 1920s in Wellington always inspired by his boxing stories
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talking about another Turning Point another turning point was that watching a fighter in the UK Prince Naseem
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Hammond is watching my final game man I want to give that sport to go why did you what because I I I like watching
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boxing on TV but I never think um yeah Tyson Fury looks good I might get ready though why well what makes you think
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yeah that you'd be um good at it yeah I'm I'm I don't I'm one of those guys I
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don't know I so deep down I always thought I was a bit of a tough guy you know but I was really really quiet but
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really quite really observed never spoke to anyone I never spoke just one thing but I knew I was suffer because I always
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back myself but I never you know and saying that the fights I did have was all around
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um alcohol oh yeah Pub rules just drunk you know and just you know I never have a fight of October right you know but it
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was just I just back myself and they always loved listening to my grandfather's boxing stories so I was
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watching some boxes on TV like I said and then within a few days I found boxing so my first fight of the week my
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20th birthday yeah so so um well you must have been quite good because um it was 2002 that
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you were at the Commonwealth Games yeah four years after taking up the sport yeah and it is some 20 quite a late age
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to be starting oh very yeah very yeah yeah very yeah so I trained for three months and then I had my first fight and
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then you know within a year and a half I was ranked number three in England and then a few more what two more years
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after that or whatever it was then I come home to New Zealand to qualify for the Commonwealth Games team went to went
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back to Manchester once I qualified and and won a bronze medal at the Commonwealth Games that seems like quite
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a fast um apprenticeship uh to me were you naturally good or did you just like work your ass off in those four years
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um I think a bit of both right but one thing I did do I worked my ass off yeah yeah I'm all about it I'm an extras man
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yeah like like if coach says do this I'll go eat whatever I'll do it double
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that right you know so um and I still do that now you know um it's always looking for those little
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marginal game yeah yeah yeah because because I started late and and and when I started late so a lot of coaches were
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going oh he's a good boy I can hear them over talking you know he's a good boy
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but he won't make it he started too late oh he's a good boy he goes right you
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know he's put some good talent but but he's um he started a bit late I'm
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thinking of my head I'll show you I'll show you what I can do you know and that
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was just like I went from like I said around the drinking I was drinking in the UK because they'd love to drink over
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there you know five six nights a week you know but socially meet down down the corner for a few drinks and I went from
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drinking like five six nights a week to not drinking for three four six months at a time and just fully focused just
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trained every single day and like I say from from starting the week of my 20th birthday to a year and a half later
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ranked number three in England and it just it just it just even when I get ranked in and win titles and stuff like
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that I just you know there's nothing I haven't achieved nothing I haven't
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achieved nothing and then just keep I just keep going like that because I'm never content I'm never can hear you
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know finally finally get a world title shot ah I need to win it I need a winner you know so but and that's the same for
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me with business yeah if I've certain goals that I want to hit financially I
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hit it and I'm gonna say I'm not happy I'm not happy I want more yeah I don't
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know why it's bad you know in some ways it's bad because my partner at home just
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goes man you're such a buddy sometimes you're a negative bastard do you sometimes take a moment to like like
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pause and reflect on what you've done like um I don't know this is your workplace that I'm in but I walk in the
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I walked in the door for the first time and there's a boxing ring there and there's loud music and there's people
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doing classes and your name's up on the wall yeah and I think [ __ ] that's pretty
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cool yeah I mean I'm sure you had that moment when you opened the doors for the
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first time but do you ever walk in and think I'm I'm doing okay the kid's doing
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all right yeah yeah I I don't I think I think about the things that need to be done you know
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other things that need to be done someone didn't bloody clean that or you know nah nah nah I I'd like to and I'm
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not saying no because I want to be some hero or anything like that it's just
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like no that's not really in my vocabulary around it I wish I wish I did and I need
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to take a moment and I I'm working on that in terms of you know personal growth and and that like
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um being content with some of the things that I've got you know because I've got
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some cool things um going on and I I can talk to my my partner and I talked to my brother and I just go I
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need to be happy with what I've got you know um so so that's personal growth yeah
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from short my stuff I'm working on now anyway you know so never stop learning
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it's one thing absolutely and um so so the Commonwealth Games where's that
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middle now does that something that means a lot yeah yes yes it remains a lot to me it's framed up it's at home
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it's in yeah in a room where there's other stuff and that in there that's
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pretty I've seen stuff yeah it's pretty cool so what happened there were you
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were you it was 20 years ago so I can't remember were you were you lucky to get
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the bronze or were you unlucky not to get a gold or silver yeah yeah so that's
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a good that's a good story so my first fight I thought the Nigerian champ and
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then I uh I beat him I stopped them in round two and then the second fight I fought the
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Jamaican champ and I stop them in round four and then I come up against the Canadian
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in the semi-finals so so by the time I was guaranteed a bronze medal you know just because the way the draw goes you
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get two drones just because you get one you get two sides of the drawer and then
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they meet so you end up having two bronze medalists so um so the winner was gonna get the
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silver and the loser gets the bronze is that that's right right yeah yeah and
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there's so there's two bronze medalists and then the silver in the LeBron so I
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was going into the semi-finals so if I'd have won that I would have um I would
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have been in the finals uh and just oh the nerves got to me the news got to me you know and I had the same routine
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going to the going to the um the venue you know there was a take you know everybody CD recorder you know I had
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listened to the same music I think and I'm thinking I was new to the sports yeah I feel
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really heavy I feel really heavy and I thought I know back now I think I was just so nervous yeah I was just so
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nervous I didn't I didn't you know get into the stadium there's like 10 000
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people I'm thinking oh just I'm used to fighting around like in a club of a
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couple hundred people it might be the best but anyway it was just the psychological Society got to me on that
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day and I just yeah I just always got outbox just got out boxed and I just put that and put put that in my
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head and and as it was a massive learning curve so I never because I never so I never had that moment ever
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again in my career even though you know I thought Mike Tyson and bad deals so I thought they have a tour and all that
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you know just like um you know there's there's yeah yeah so that was a moment
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where I was just so nervous so nervous and I was just drained I don't know if
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you get nervous before your runs and stuff where where we you you you you just can't get going you're jumping up
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and down I'm so and I was so fit so fat I'm jumping up and down I'm throwing a
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few Punch or something oh why am I getting so tired so early you know but anyway I'll put that down just just
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nervous I just the psychological side of boxing just just got to me oh mate I I am in no way comparing like what I do
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with essentially fun runs to what you do because I'm not even at that Elite level
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but I'll be on the the start line for a marathon or a half marathon and I'll
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just there's been occasions where I'm like I just want to get in the car and
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drive home yeah I don't even want to be here yeah yeah and then it gets the end
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of the run and you you know whether you get the result you want or not yeah you feel amazing you feel amazing um but
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just the nerves the anxiety it's a terrible thing but I I would think something like boxing where it's such a
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lonely Sport and yeah when all you you Corner men get out and you're just in
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there alone with your opponent yeah that's going to be the most nerve-wracking thing in the world yeah
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yeah but if I can come if you come back to like what you when you asked me before like I I you know I I back myself
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you know I back myself as a bit of a macho sort of you know you know within with them or the way how how I conduct
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myself but like um yeah yeah I'm just like yeah you think you can beat me because I'll get in the ring I think you
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think you can beat me hey how dare you get in the wrong thing you beat me that's my that's what's going in my head
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yeah I'll let you know what you're up to is that essential I feel like you
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probably need everyone that goes into a boxing ring probably needs that right yeah you need to yeah I don't know if
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everyone thinks that but yeah that's what I think you know and um you have to you because if you don't
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think that what's going to be a hard night for you it's gonna be a hard night for you yeah
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you know I'm not in the boxing Rings a hard day on a marathon Marathon course
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where you might get a cramp wow yeah okay so um so that's 2002. we attempted to stick around for another
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couple of years and maybe go to the Olympics yeah yeah because no one around in the Oceania region uh could beat me
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you know so it was it was pretty much a given that I'd make the Olympics 2000
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Sydney Olympics um but uh I was 24 I think man my style would suit the pro game a bit better and
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I was just like man I want to try and make some money so um yeah uh so yeah I went against uh so I retired from
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amateur boxing and and to him can you remember how much your first paycheck was this is probably 400.
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[Laughter] 400 mate yeah you gave up your Olympic dream performance yeah wow you won that
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fight yeah yeah yeah what Did the lose again yeah yeah I don't know why why why so small yeah oh just
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just just what it was you know like um uh you know you think about I suppose you know you need you're behind even
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good fighter it's important to have a good team in terms of marketing all that
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sort of stuff right how the times are now like say for example if I've signed
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by you know a big time promoter you know yeah I went to you know you look at what
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park has done you know and he didn't even go the commonwealth games um but it's just it's just you know tell
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anything he got picked up by Duco and they just they just but at the same time he's got some
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ability you know so it's probably yeah on the other side is that's probably
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what handed me so so everything I I I I I earned uh yeah from from grassroot yeah so okay so then you turn pro you
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get 500 for that first fight and then it's um yeah you're on a one hell of a
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your career trajectory like yeah you're winning fight after fight I remember a
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couple of times there like you called David tour out yeah not in a not a trash talk way but just in a respectful sort
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of boxing way and he just sort of ignored that yeah yeah that's right yep yeah so I was maybe 16 17-0 then I was a
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fight in Christchurch I remember that I said I wish everything all right because
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I knew you know calling them out and for that fight to actually happen would be a
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long way down the track yeah there was no response from him so I just carried on doing my thing and then all of a
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sudden I was ranked number six heavyweight in the world with the WBO and then it flips around he calls me out
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you know he called me out because uh you know I was I was ranked number six everybody in the world and and
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obviously he was wanting to make a make a return back to the ring so at the time
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I needed him to build myself up and uh you know and then but then it flipped itself around
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where he needed me more than I needed him you know um and obviously the then the talking got going and then then it
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finally happened yeah so what year was that I remember the fight of the century fight of the century 2009 2009 man that
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was um yeah the hype the build up you and you guys both got half a million each yeah yeah and it how does that work
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because it sounds like a lot of money but I'm guessing you know once you pay
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your trainer fees and whoever else and taxes or whatever yeah what do you actually end up with yeah
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um well not 500 anyway but it's not still a good chunk yeah yeah it starts yeah still still a good
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chunk there like and in 2009 that was there was a there was there was a good chunk of though and you know you think
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about that one thing I want to say around that one that fight that there was a big learning thing for me it was a
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big learning because I'm a humble dude I just do my thing and you know I got wrapped up in it you know
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I got wrapped up in the hype wrapped up and and and and and and in the moment you know
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um yeah I remember that so there was a there was a TV show called um what was it close up at seven with uh Mark
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sainsbury that's right yeah and um I I remember it clearly and you and you and
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David tour were on there and it was it was almost like you'd been prepped to
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like build up the fire and trash talking each other and I I knew you a little bit
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and I knew David a little bit and I knew it didn't really sit comfortably with
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either of you two as as as humans but yeah well you sort of forced to try and I wouldn't say fourth yeah just put in
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my head and and like I just yeah like just talk it up talk whatever good the thing and but I think back now I think
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why the hell did I do that because if there said to me you talk it up you know I'll give you more money give you
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more percentage over a certain amount of pay-per-views and stuff but I'd say oh
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yeah I just talk it up talk it up and then started talking up then he started talking back at me and then all of a
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sudden it was promoted as strictly business yeah I remember the poster strictly business then all of a sudden
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it got personal it got personal where where I I regret some of the things that I said and did and conducted it's just
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like what can you remember anything specific um no not really I just think I just the
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way I held myself and like at the press conference and I'm thinking oh come on
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I'm not that person yeah you know you know I built up and then um then yeah yeah like and just put so much
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pressure I was going to say put pressure on myself but not really because on the
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night the flip side from being that the Commonwealth Games semi semi-finals I was so nervous fighting David too one of
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the biggest punches in the on the globe I wasn't even nervous so what does that
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say I don't respect the man yeah I didn't respect the man totally respect them you know before and
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after but like um just built myself right up and then I was in this moment and then I didn't respect them so I
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wasn't nervous before that fight your paths must have crossed right like were
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you were your friends or acquaintances oh mate we lived together in Las Vegas when I first turned Pro right so my
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first fight at 400 bucks and then my second fight I fought in um and and Reno and then Lake Tahoe and then in Nevada
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so I lived with David in this in his house he had a big house in Las Vegas so we all lived together you know for like
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a year and a half so and and then this is a flight game too in some ways you know I still get
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[ __ ] hammered on excuse my language I I still I still get hammered on on social with some of some obviously his
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supporters and this guy oh your big mouth and you know you're good that you got knocked out that uh not now still
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yeah we're 13 years old on a weekly basis yeah on a weekly basis I'm doing
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my top tips [ __ ] you're a bum mate one known listen to you you're a bum and I
00:22:01
think oh yeah like just say that to me in my face but um but you know it's just
00:22:05
it just yeah um I don't want that result to happen and I was so confident but like um yeah
00:22:11
it is what it is and Dave is a good man we've caught up and we've had some
00:22:14
Tequilas yeah I've had some tequila since then and I was just like [ __ ] you
00:22:18
bugger you got me yeah yeah because um I I'm sure you don't really want to want
00:22:22
to dwell on this but for anyone that doesn't remember uh it's I I didn't
00:22:26
remember the full extent of it I watched on YouTube yesterday knowing I was coming to see you today yeah
00:22:30
um so the fight starts look look you look comfortable it looks like you're getting a couple of punches in yeah and
00:22:35
then but he knocks you out in the first round yeah a second second yeah so he rocked me in the first round yeah so I
00:22:41
was moving around um I don't really remember that much but I remember moving around just [ __ ] my
00:22:46
Jab and I've always got a bad habit of dropping my right hand you know and obviously with the moment the occasion
00:22:53
I'm flicking around I'm moving around all right and then um yeah well I didn't really know what
00:22:59
happened I lost the replay and then I watched the replay and then he sort of just slipped and then jumped him with
00:23:03
his with his famous left hook and boom just caught me on the I don't know somewhere on my head and then I just
00:23:08
wobbled into my memory but he gone and then then he jumped on me obviously he jumped on me I'm only you know jumped on
00:23:14
me and he's a good finisher and then he dropped me I'll pick up and then ding
00:23:20
ding ding Saved by the Bell went to the corner come back out he just jumped on me again and just but he
00:23:25
finished me off yeah so it was just like yeah so how long how long do you get for
00:23:29
the break was it a minute a minute yeah so did you do you remember much about that about coming back out in the second
00:23:34
round or were you in la la land um no I don't remember anything and there's a lot of fights so I I don't
00:23:40
really remember what you know because in the moment what's happening but I know
00:23:44
exactly what the fight plan is and stuff like that and just yeah yeah like I've been hit you know
00:23:49
throughout my career you know but sometimes there's one punch there but he gets you and you don't really know and
00:23:55
you know and I've done it to many other people and I finally had it done to me
00:23:58
you know it's not it's not a good feeling um especially with the hype that was
00:24:02
built up and all that sort of stuff and and it is what it is man this is this is
00:24:06
the sport you know like um this is boxing but we're not playing marbles yeah this is a serious business you know
00:24:12
but at that point where you get hurt are you thinking oh [ __ ] I'm in trouble now
00:24:16
or are you just are you away with it and you're um um yeah yeah it's yeah I don't really
00:24:22
know like it's more of a survive but I'm not really thinking it but I'll tell you this now I wasn't
00:24:29
thinking about what I need to do you know so it was quite a quite a quite a quite a gray area where I just
00:24:34
like I say I didn't know what I did till I watched the replay I think oh that's
00:24:38
all I did just put my hands up what I should have done was moved but I wasn't
00:24:41
thinking clearly enough give me five minutes mate hey Dave just stop budget Dave stop punching just give me five
00:24:46
minutes to clear my head and then um and then I'll come back to you it doesn't
00:24:50
work like that um so when you get hit with a big with a big punch like that does it does it hurt
00:24:54
or does yeah yeah no it doesn't no I'm asking from the position of someone
00:24:58
that's never been hurt oh yeah and I get asked that quite a lot you know like if
00:25:01
I grabbed your hand and pinched it that hurts more than getting punched right yeah yeah I sent it with two or whatever
00:25:06
it's just more of a shock it's like a thud boom um but yeah that's not like oh that
00:25:11
hurts don't hurt me again it's more of a I don't want to get with that again
00:25:14
punch you know so you still get your wits about you yeah but like pinching someone's arm yeah that's more annoying
00:25:21
than slam that nobody eat or the body yeah have you ever watched a replay of the fight oh no yeah yeah yeah it's a
00:25:27
hard to watch yeah yeah it took me it took me probably seven or eight years to obviously I've seen the replay when it
00:25:31
first happened yeah because it was on the news and all this bloody everywhere you know
00:25:37
but I was just so just yeah I just yeah just yeah still things yeah do you like so so when you watch it do you
00:25:45
watch it from the perspective of oh damn I should have done that or I could have
00:25:48
done that or is it deeper than that yeah yeah it's deep in there it's just like
00:25:53
just like just like I just don't watch it yeah I just don't watch it yeah you go to
00:25:58
YouTubers buddy you know so the the second round where it looks looks like it gets you with maybe 15 or
00:26:06
20 punches yeah yeah oh yeah yeah you're just not not defending yourself or anything yeah it's it's it's hard to
00:26:12
watch and I'm not you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is it is it's um uh yeah that's very brutal what do you
00:26:20
mean it took yeah it is it's the the most brutal thing ever it's like it's
00:26:24
yeah awful um but so um what do you mean it took seven years to get over it what do you
00:26:30
mean because your career carried on like yeah it does oh 100 yeah I keep coming back but just probably mentally you know
00:26:36
just I don't know just hindered me like I think about it every day you know just
00:26:39
thinking like man I just it's so gutted that I lost I was just so good and then
00:26:43
I lost you know because it's a big fight for New Zealand and I don't even asked
00:26:47
David like you know spending some time together and I just said man what's what's the most fight what's the biggest
00:26:54
fight because he's fought me next to us man I believe Lenox Lewis is probably
00:26:56
one of the greatest fighters on this planet you know um but are you talking about the tour Linux Lewis fight
00:27:03
yeah no I'm just talking about Linux Lewis as a writer as a fighter he's you
00:27:06
know what's been the most for the year the fight that you've been you know
00:27:17
psychologically it's got you you know you know this really you're gonna drop
00:27:20
here fighting you you know and I just thinking about oh I didn't think I think
00:27:23
of that when I when I sort of asked a question yeah man I couldn't lose you because I might
00:27:28
have lost you man you know so that was just such the hype you know and I didn't
00:27:32
think about any of that sort of stuff like me I'm just training I'm just going
00:27:36
to beat you I'm going to do this I'm gonna do that but I didn't think about
00:27:39
all the stuff that you know hey if I lost man well what happened but I suppose yeah I suppose you just can't entertain
00:27:45
the thought of losing no no exactly yeah and that's what I mean so it doesn't
00:27:48
entertain it so because I didn't think I'd lose you know because I just knew
00:27:51
you know if and I've had what 34 professional fights and it's not once I've gone into a ring thinking I was
00:27:57
going to lose you know not one two so boxing is all about psychological side you know it doesn't matter how big your
00:28:02
muscles are your arms are any of that sort of stuff what's your head saying to
00:28:06
you when you're walking to the ring how confident are you yeah that's fine you
00:28:09
know and um so so what happens after that fight were you did you go back to your dressing room or you're taking
00:28:15
taken away to Hospital for an evaluation or yeah I I went to went to hospital yeah yeah I don't know it was it wasn't
00:28:22
a good it was a good night yeah it was a bit of a glaze for a few days to be honest yeah just yeah okay we just went
00:28:28
away yeah I just went away and but then I just got back until you know my my mentality just wanted to claw my way
00:28:34
back you know I went from rank number 60 where in the world to like probably number 200 in the world yeah it's just
00:28:39
yeah just how the sport goes and then I thought I don't know how long later I
00:28:43
thought John bloody My ultimate goal was to fight for a world title you know when
00:28:47
I started boxing at the age of 20. you know so so you you were the same sort of age as um like uh Joseph Parker now how
00:28:53
do you think you'd get on again someone like him do you feel like you're in the
00:28:57
same league your prime minister yeah different styles uh yeah but he he's I reckon he always get better
00:29:04
especially with um the connection with him with Tyson Fury and being amongst you know like
00:29:15
um yeah I would have been a good scrap him and I and both in our Heyday you know but it's not to be even thing
00:29:21
that's that's it man I just support them and yeah and that's all we do do you
00:29:25
think um did you leave the sport at the right time I mean we've talked about
00:29:27
your business stuff and you you like you're very very smart like you you know
00:29:31
there's a lot going on so it doesn't you know you you see some boxes and you go
00:29:35
oh they took they took one hit to me yeah I don't feel like you're in that
00:29:38
sort of position yeah or some days I think that is when I'm trying to remember something
00:29:44
what's that called oh darling what's your name again no no it's just uh no I was I I was
00:29:54
content with retiring um because I had the gym so I had stuff to you know um sometimes I get thinking
00:30:01
man I wish I wish I could no no I wouldn't say I wish I could get back in the boxing but it was more like
00:30:07
you need that drive you need that hunger you need that that determination you need to do whatever it takes to get the
00:30:13
training daughter says I don't have that no more I have I have that in business
00:30:15
but I don't have that in in boxing like um and I know I could like you know a couple of years ago I've got
00:30:22
to train my ass off before like um what's his name Paul Gallen or something like that right and got a big payday you
00:30:26
know and I can still do that now but like I'm just not driven to I'm not driven to
00:30:31
not for the money you're not for the um just I'm just I know what it's like and
00:30:35
I'm just not yeah I just don't have the drive for it you need to drive the
00:30:38
hunger the determination to do whatever it takes so when you're in that ring
00:30:42
you'll do whatever it takes to win you know you die in the ring if you have to
00:30:45
you just get the win you know yeah so I don't have that no more and you mentioned before that you um you did
00:30:51
some aspiring with uh Mike Tyson yeah yeah yeah when was that yeah there was um if we're talking years that was in
00:30:56
2005 right yeah I went over there Phoenix Arizona um that was on my connection yeah so so
00:31:04
um yeah so I was there for two three weeks three weeks there was there was an eye opener and Tyson he's actually a
00:31:11
really nice guy he's a nice guy yeah yeah yeah just really yeah but I can see
00:31:15
he's one of those guys you either like you or he doesn't like you you know so
00:31:18
he's fired um most days and very ferocious he's you know he's got that
00:31:23
high-pitched voice [Laughter] it's a bit of podcast here say what you want yeah crazy [ __ ] man I
00:31:36
didn't I didn't realize they're bringing crazy white guys like you down in New
00:31:40
Zealand you're crazy but I remember we were aspiring it was fine yeah and then um we're um
00:31:47
yeah we'll go and like sparring's really heated you know like so when you when
00:31:52
you say sparring um it's not like gentle punching no no you go 80 90 100 right
00:31:58
right yeah yeah like he's trying to knock me out you know he's trying to
00:32:00
think who's this who's this white kid man coming out of New Zealand I want to
00:32:03
try and inspire me right that's probably the mentality I have when I spy anyway
00:32:06
you know who you think you are you know so you come across the ring man he's
00:32:09
just trying to take yeah and take take my head off you know uh and then the next bar next day he hit me in the groin
00:32:16
area so he's throwing some heavy shots to hit me in the groin area I said hey
00:32:19
Mike watch the low shot to go sorry Shane I'm thinking oh my God how did the
00:32:23
baddest man baddest man on the planet go sorry Shane well but he's uh you know
00:32:29
[ __ ] man he's um he's he's a trooper all right he's he's the man what a claim to
00:32:34
phone being punched in the dick how good is that oh yeah so so when did you when did you decide to retire when
00:32:42
did you decide the answer I've had enough uh so my last fight I had I had a fight where
00:32:50
um there's no way I should I lost but I but I lost it I lost by a guy that I
00:32:55
shouldn't have lost to but he got me on that nine I think man there's no way you
00:32:59
know but uh so I lost two fights in a row and I hadn't lost two fights in a row as a pro so it was coming up to my
00:33:06
third fight so I think I I said um yes publicly that if I lose this fight I'll retire
00:33:33
oh that guy that guy that sees his retired and doesn't retire you know so but I think the timing's right you know
00:33:40
like it's strange the way because it's a like in terms of professional sports
00:33:44
people so you get rugby players and someone will come up and be better than them and they'll be knocked aside yeah
00:33:48
or they'll be injured and they can no longer play yeah um but boxing it's it's
00:33:52
a it's a different sort of thing like you're sort of you're sort of in charge
00:33:55
of yourself and yes I suppose for a lot of people it's the fear of the Unknown
00:33:58
about what comes next that keeps you there yes but did you do you have like a plan in mind you're like I'm gonna set
00:34:04
up a gym I'm gonna yeah the gym was already going oh okay yeah I had the gym
00:34:08
already going so if you think about like fully focusing on your career and no distractions I had all of that I had all
00:34:14
the distractions you know I just got married and you know a young boy and I had the gym so I'm running the gym
00:34:19
running classes and hey man Shane you're a professional fighter you know and then
00:34:23
when you think about the things that I I generated and and achieved in my earlier
00:34:28
days it's because I was fully focused I was fully focused I didn't lose anything
00:34:31
I was just win win win because I know distractions it's when you start bringing in distractions and you know
00:34:37
which which I had distractions which could be good distractions or bad distractions there were distractions
00:34:42
because it takes you off track to where you're fully focusing on which is to win
00:34:46
your next fight so um yeah at hindsight it's hindsight a yeah then you can look
00:34:52
back oh yeah I understand you know how things work you know and those things here and in boxing you learn the hard
00:34:57
way well everything I mean everything works out for a reason in life doesn't
00:35:01
matter yes yeah everything happens for a reason and um it seems like you're in a
00:35:04
good place now yeah um now what about um say I'm guessing most people listening
00:35:08
to this like the the worst fear would be like getting in a getting in a boxing ring and just that that loneliness and
00:35:14
you know the the fear of like you know being heard or being humiliated or whatever but I'm guessing for you like
00:35:20
um you were probably more petrified doing Like Dancing with the Stars you did that the same year as my um as
00:35:26
my ex-wife JJ right yeah that's right yeah yeah yeah yeah we're around the
00:35:31
same time yeah I asked you about that on the way here I said I said did you manage to do with Shane and he said she
00:35:36
said no Shannon Nero to just sort of keeping themselves a little bit and yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:35:41
um yeah so so you get asked to do it do you say no straight away or do you say yes straight away uh well I said I said
00:35:48
I actually asked my wife at the time I said what do you think about dancing with the association yeah give it a go
00:35:53
hey cool so I love a challenge in life you know and I can't dance I couldn't
00:35:56
dance in sorry I couldn't dance before and I couldn't dance afterwards and but
00:36:01
whatever I do I just I put everything into it like I said so so I was training with nerita like I'd come here in the
00:36:08
morning I'd train a couple of people and I'd be with her by nine o'clock and then
00:36:12
I'd leave her leave her place at four and then I'll come here and then you
00:36:16
know so but like yeah it was it was a challenge but I I loved it but I'd never
00:36:20
do it again yeah but in terms of the psychological side of things it was boxing gave me uh
00:36:26
because I think about you know people have said like is it harder going out for Dancing With the Stars or hard of
00:36:30
going out for a fight I go oh no I've got to put boxing in front of that because 100 yeah yeah yeah yeah but but
00:36:37
I remember like um uh yeah and James would would agree it's like you're out backstage and everything
00:36:43
is live you know live you know you train all week Monday to Friday then you go into the studio Saturday and Sunday for
00:36:49
the rehearsal rehearsal rehearsal and then you're live on a Sunday night so it
00:36:53
was it was daunting but um but that's it was a great chapter in my life did you because she's um JoJo's been in
00:37:02
radio for like 30 years uh but she still gets people coming up to her now like five six seven years whatever it was
00:37:07
later uh talking about Dancing with the Stars all right yeah yeah you get that quite a bit you get like just as many
00:37:12
people uh talking to you about that than the boxing yeah not so much now it still
00:37:17
comes back to the boxing but like um but around that time it's interesting because my fan base was was not big
00:37:23
blokey guys it was more um 13 year old girls yeah and and and and sort of uh yeah Housewives and older yeah so I
00:37:32
would go to the North Coast 74 B and some of the all the old all the old girls how can I get a photo oh my god
00:37:37
I've never had that before but yeah um yes I changed my fan base here but it
00:37:42
was um that was good everything's good it's good how long did you last you did okay
00:37:48
didn't you uh yeah eight weeks eight weeks yeah I said eight weeks yeah yeah
00:37:52
oh that's good going that's good going um can I ask you a few a few quick run
00:37:56
questions yeah yeah okay what do you listen to when you run oh my old school my old school music
00:38:01
like Seven Spanish Angels Willie Nelson with my girlfriend she's just like oh
00:38:07
mate I want to slip my wrist yeah please tell me please tell me that wasn't your
00:38:10
Hype music before a fight or mate when I come out I come out to Kenny Rogers again but yeah yeah yeah
00:38:16
um what's your favorite place to run a favorite place to run uh just just around the block well I love you yeah
00:38:30
just ran home yeah um do you have a favorite show favorite shoe um I used to love Puma because I
00:38:36
should be sponsored by them but I gotta buy my own shoes now so um anything that
00:38:39
is available just whatever whatever's on sale um one thing um one thing I'd like to
00:38:45
talk about with guests on this um podcast is what I call the three ifs like fails [ __ ] ups and flaws because I
00:38:49
I'm a firm believer that um I mean you learn more from those things than what
00:38:53
you do from your successes in life yes as long as you take them in and digest them and learn from them they can be the
00:38:58
best lessons ever yes um what is it for you what's the what's the big one in
00:39:01
your life I think your biggest flaws probably being like two driven never being satisfied yeah yeah yeah
00:39:07
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's what I've been talking about over the last
00:39:12
couple of days just not been I wish I was more content yeah yeah I mean the one that's like it stands out for every
00:39:18
New Zealander that knows you and follows boxing the the tour fight yeah they would I mean that could be seen as a
00:39:23
fail do you see it yeah right now did you learn a lot from that um I learned a lot in terms of like I say I
00:39:30
I fight happened again um I would um I'd certainly conduct myself in a different way you know
00:39:37
um like in the lead up to it you mean or during the fight yeah yeah no in the lead up yeah lead up you know I just got
00:39:43
too personal you know whereas I don't do that I never did it before that fight
00:39:46
and I never did it after that fight you know all of a sudden I did it in that fight you know so
00:39:51
um it's hard it's just it seems like it's such an important part of the game
00:39:53
now but it's just it doesn't necessarily sit well with um with with new zealanders yeah I see I see I see Joseph
00:39:59
Parker do it sometimes and you can tell he's been asked to do it to support the
00:40:03
fight but it's uh yeah it doesn't necessarily sit naturally nah no it doesn't like I'm confident within my
00:40:08
thing but I don't have to voice it you know I don't have to voice that I can go
00:40:11
because I just I can do it without you know actually speaking louder than words eh you know so
00:40:17
um but you know buddy bugger David he got me over there there's one thing I don't know if uh if there's one fight
00:40:24
that I get up for would be but if it would be him but he's but he's a good
00:40:28
man and yeah you know much love to the man well it's good that you've got that
00:40:31
relationship now yeah you mentioned before that you guys have sat down and had some tequila yeah yeah what was the
00:40:36
circumstance of that oh I just I it was seven years later yeah I got a seven year thing I said man I need to connect
00:40:42
with with David you know just like man whatever it was to come and come around for dinner
00:40:48
um my place and we you know just just just just yawned it was it was awesome you know so sometimes from his area or
00:40:56
calling and he's bought some counterpunch gear off me before too boxing gear so um
00:41:01
so so now he he's a good he's a good amazing genuine man he's there's there's
00:41:06
no faking with him yeah there's no there's no [ __ ] hey like um he's
00:41:10
just genuine just a genuine good bugger yeah that's so nice and he's had some
00:41:15
like it's funny you look at you know both your careers post boxing like he's
00:41:18
had some terrible luck yeah in terms of like management and being ripped off yeah he must he must look at you and
00:41:24
think [ __ ] Shane's done good um yeah yeah he's very positive like yeah he
00:41:29
does he does the say Shane you've done well and it's very nice to to hear that
00:41:33
and um yeah I I do feel from you know for for the man and what he's done yeah he
00:41:39
the things he's done though the guys that he's beaten oh my God you know like
00:41:43
he's probably a guy the only guy that I know that shouldn't you know shouldn't
00:41:46
should have been a world champion over and over again but just you know and the things he had to go through
00:41:52
um you know all that Financial stuff and lawyers and all that sort of stuff for the battles I wouldn't wish that on
00:41:59
anyone but that seems to happen a lot of unboxing it seems like there's a lot of
00:42:02
like shady sharks around yeah but you got through unscape yeah yeah he's done
00:42:06
so well yeah thank you yeah I had a good team you know a good manager Ken rangefield you know
00:42:12
one thing I I you know I trusted the man and uh we're still really good friends
00:42:16
now uh I I didn't have a big team you know just just some and what about um like plans for like the next are you
00:42:22
much of a like a goal set or a planet like where do you see yourself in five years ten years yeah um yeah do you sort
00:42:28
of go with the flow oil yeah I I need to work on my my goals um but not work on my goals but like um
00:42:34
but supposedly comes down to the content thing you know I get to a goal and I achieve a goal um but I'm still not
00:42:40
happy it's probably just make another one my goal is not to be in Auckland in
00:42:43
five years yeah where would you like to be uh Tauranga really Tauranga yeah yeah
00:42:47
well I'm from Gisborne you know so I want to be closer to my mum and dad um my son lives there so I want to be
00:42:53
close to him uh yeah and and yeah I guess you said you earlier I I launched my um counter punch Fitness training app
00:43:01
so I'm really want to really focus on that and focus on counter punch those are two things I really want to focus on
00:43:06
um and just wanna yeah I I don't lifestyle a bit of Lifestyle I don't want to keep grinding every day like I
00:43:12
have done I just bought a bike the other day a motorbike dirt bikes just so I can
00:43:16
because I just work every day otherwise just work every day and I just want to ever have a Time on on a weekend and
00:43:21
just do my own thing and if you lived in total you could become the mount Warrior
00:43:25
yeah yeah I am you're a brilliant man you've done so so well and uh yeah thank you
00:43:37
very much for your time today really appreciate it appreciate it yeah