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330 and now she's living such a cool
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guest Our Guest today is fired that is
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financially independent and retired
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early she also happens to be the author
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behind one of the most recognized
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personal finance blogs out there it's
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called a purple life she's joining us
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today to share some thoughts and
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experiences from her journey to early
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retirement especially now that she's
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been actually retired for over a year
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it's not often that someone can co-opt a
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color into a singular name but she's
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done so pretty successfully I'm
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delighted to welcome purple of the
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aforementioned a purple life blog onto
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the podcast hey purple how are you doing
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today I'm wonderful how are you
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doing great and and if you don't mind me
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asking I know we talked about it briefly
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beforehand but but where are you doing
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today because I know as part of your
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early retirement you've been doing some
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traveling yes indeed I'm currently
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coming at you live from the cat skills
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in New York state excellent well we've
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we've had a little trend of of New York
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Staters recently uh tomorrow uh the FI
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couple is their episode's coming out and
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they're based in the capital region well
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purple you know I love your backstory
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and I love your block
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and as a someone who's read your blog
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and has also listened to you on other
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podcasts I know that you've been asked
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about your backstory before so so we
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don't have to go into too much detail if
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you feel like you're repeating yourself
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but I would love to know and the
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listeners would love to know bit about
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who you are and kind of what your money
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story
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is sure so I'm purple and I can't take
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credit of co-opting a color like you
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said I took it from Pink
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basically um great artist
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uh and I've written on my blog for the
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last almost seven years about my journey
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to and now through financial
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Independence and early retirement um
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money story just for background I'm a
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black woman who worked in marketing um
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and I retired in October 2020 at the age
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of 30 um MoneyWise the way I did that
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was job hopping so I did that and
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tripled my salary in 9 years and then I
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used domestic geoarbitrage by moving
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from Manhattan to Seattle to decrease my
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spending while increasing my standard of
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living that was about
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it okay super easy I tell you what
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you've got the elevator pitch down pet
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right you covered all the bases in about
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75 seconds I've had some guests take it
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to three minutes others to five or seven
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and yes one guest great guest took it to
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about 35 minutes I had to edit that one
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down that's impressive that was a long
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elevator trip we'll say and since are
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are you said you're a pink
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fan are you familiar of Pink's work with
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uh City And
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Color not actually so City and color is
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a pseudonym for Dallas Green just so
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it's it's his it's his uh it's just a
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oneman band City in color but Dallas and
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pink are musician friends and they've
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done some Duets together and I think
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they've released an album together
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highly recommend it
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right I'm writing it down um but
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apologies to the listeners let's get
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back this is important stuff don't
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apologize I mean hey it is you know it's
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good music listeners go check out cityan
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color and his work with pink um but
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let's get back to job hopping job
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hopping so you tripled your salary via
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job hopping what exactly does that look
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like so as I mentioned I was in
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marketing I started my career
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specifically working in ad agencies
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making 30 $5,000 in New York City um and
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there is a lot of volatility in ad
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agencies we are at the whim of our
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clients their budgets the industry the
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stock market basically everything so
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it's very very common to get laid off of
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no fault of your own sometimes not even
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because your account goes away but a
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bigger account in your agency that
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you've never had any contact with and
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then they're laying off a quarter of the
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people in the entire company so um I
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been laid off three or four times um so
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obviously from that I would need to have
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a job I've also been exper had
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experience with some more toxic job
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situations that I needed to leave for my
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own
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sanity and also at times I just got
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bored and want to do something new so in
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each of those instances it was time to
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find another job and when I did that
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luckily I'd listened to my mom and I had
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a little bit saved even as I was making
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35k in New York and barely making rent I
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still saved a little bit as much as I
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could so I had a little wiggle room when
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I was looking for a new job so I didn't
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have to take the first one that was
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offered so I was very diligent with my
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research and I looked and figured out
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what the market rate was for the
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position I was going for it was usually
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promotion and if people told me that
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they could not hit that and I knew it
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was fair I said that's very kind of you
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to tell me I'm no longer interested so
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I'm going to part ways with you here
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good luck so I made through doing that
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having that Nest Egg little emergency
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fund saved and being well very careful
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with my research and careful with who I
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continue the interview process with that
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I always got a pretty sub substantial
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raise at each of the jobs so I usually
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hopped about $20,000 each job and I had
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six of
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them okay so right there emergency fund
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provided you with time and
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flexibility an amazing use for the
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emergency fund and then in the
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negotiations it sounds like you had a
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very much a firm but fair stance about
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knowing your own value to the company
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and expecting them to meet you in the
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Middle with a with a fair offer yeah for
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those listeners who are maybe thinking
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about transitioning jobs I mean were
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those conversations uncomfortable or or
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how did you approach looking at a hiring
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manager someone who presumably you you
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could think that you need them more than
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they need you how do how do you look at
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that person and say no I reject your
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offer you need to offer me more well I
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think it was partially knowing that
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emergency fund was there if for some
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reason they didn't take that well um and
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also there are a million jobs in
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marketing so I know that's not true in
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every industry but seriously dime it
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doesn't it's not hard to find so I
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wasn't worried if I found one person
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that doesn't want to pay me what I'm
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worth because I also knew if I just took
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that then they wouldn't give me raises
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the only way to really make more money
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in marketing sadly is to leave um yeah
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it's kind of a ridiculous fact of the
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industry so they knew the truth I knew
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the truth and if they really didn't have
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the budget they would usually tell me
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and be very candid about it like they
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wouldn't give me the budget or I told
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them that was market rate or anything
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like that like we had a little Rapport
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um but yeah it was never awkward and I
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felt fine about it it was also actually
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before New York state passed a law that
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you can't ask anyone their previous
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salary so it was back in the day when
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they're like What's your previous salary
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and I literally never answered that
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question I refused to answer the
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question when it was still legal so that
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helped as well that is that is good
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advice I mean it sounds so it sounds
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like knowledge of supply and demand
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within your own industry within the the
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hiring needs of your industry is very
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important and uh and one thing I like
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that you kind of pointed out there
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purple that that I've learned sometimes
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the hard way is that uh the hiring
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manager the other side they are an
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experienced professional and they can
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handle you pushing back against them
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it's not going to hurt their feelings
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it's all professional they're just
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looking for a good candidate and
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especially if it's with a bigger
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corporate company it might be different
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if it's like a really small Mom and Pop
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shop but the difference between a
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$80,000 salary and $100,000 salary and
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120,000 it's not that big of a
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difference to them yep it's a big
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difference to you and that's why you
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should ask for it but to some hiring
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manager it's not a big difference at all
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they'll let you know if you exceeded
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what they're allowed to hire you at but
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until you get to that point they are
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willing to pay you more than their
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initial offer because they want to
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secure good
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talent completely true and that was
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hammered home more because in most of my
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jobs I was in charge of the finances so
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I knew what we were billing clients I
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knew that at some parts I was like 500
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an hour and I was not making anywhere
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near 500 hour like taking away you know
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overhead and everything else that they
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have to pay no right it's not a big
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deal so that you said six jobs in
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roughly eight or nine years it's you to
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age 30 where you retired on on roughly
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speaking
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$500,000 how my my guess here and I I do
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know a little bit behind the scenes is
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that that wasn't 500 500,000 stuffed
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under your mattress that there were some
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sort of investing involved along the way
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so could you walk us through maybe what
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accounts you Ed along the way and and
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what investment uh allocations you had
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what your investing process was sure
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happy to and a little more background my
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original goal was to have $500,000 when
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I retired however um I actually ended up
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having more than that because of the
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stock market and the index funds that I
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am about to mention so and I ended up
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retiring with $500,000 invested and in
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addition
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$40,000 in cash and I did that
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specifically because I was pulling the
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plug in the middle of a pandemic and
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possible recession so I wanted to have
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those two years that of two years of my
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spending cash cushion that's usually how
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long a uh recession lasts a market
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recession rather so I wanted to have
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that in my back pocket um and that's
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what end up happening and yes you are
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right all of that was was invested the
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500 was in um Vanguard Total stock
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market index fund btsa all of it I have
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100% stock allocation I can talk about
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why um that is basically half in tax
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advantage accounts and half in taxable
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accounts the tax advantage accounts
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include my 401k from work which I rolled
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into a Trad IRA and also a Roth IRA and
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I think I covered everything okay so
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Trad Ira traditional IRA Roth IRA
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different different tax schemes there
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but still you you can't access that
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money until 59 and a half without some
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sort of penalty which is why I can
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access my Roth contributions at any
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point but the rest you're right right
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good point so the initial the initial
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principle into your Roth you could pull
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out but not the gains in your Roth and
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then nothing nothing from the
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traditional IRA correct but then the
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other half of that 500k is in the
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taxable br brokerage and so that's
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something that you can access at any
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time but but what penalty or or tax if
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you will do you pay on that
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none because I spend so little that I'm
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beneath any tax bracket so very nice so
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very nice that's actually that's a if if
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you want to call it a loophole that's
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something that I had a recent Twitter
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the legal tax code correct correct it is
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the legal tax code and just like uh the
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Warren buffets and the Bill Gates of the
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world no matter what you think about
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them just like they how they pay a very
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very very small amount of money on their
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income and wealth uh just like Peter
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teal we recently learned uh has
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something like five billion dollars in
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his Roth IRA taxfree because he was able
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to buy PayPal at fractions of a penny
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per
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share it might feel weird but it's all
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within the tax code and so if they can
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do it then purple can do it and so can
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you listeners the tax code is there for
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you to either use your advantage or not
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so let's let's walk walk through that
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real quick purple so so how does that
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work so is that does that mean that you
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are under the
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$112,000 uh um standard deduction or is
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there some other part of the tax code
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that's allowing you to pull that taxable
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brokerage money out
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taxfree so it's basically that most of
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the well all of the money I would be
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pulling out is either dividends or
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capital gains and capital gains are
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taxed confusingly different than actual
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income and I believe for a single person
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I can pull out like 40K or something
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before I have to pay another dollar of
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tax and just heads up in case I I'm
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getting imaginary push back on the tax
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thing these are all dollars I've already
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paid taxes on that are on my taxable
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account so I just don't want to be taxed
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twice if I don't have to be um so yeah
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so because of that it's not classified
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as income specifically and that's how
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I'm doing it right right and that's I I
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had to learn this I think it was just
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last week week that if your combined
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income which could be like regular W2
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income plus capital gains is less than
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40K then up until you hit that 40K point
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the capital gains aren't taxed so like
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you know even if you took a side job
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right now purple and that side job was
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paying you 20K you could then pull out
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an additional 20K of capital gains which
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would bring you to that 40K threshold
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you wouldn't pay any taxes on those
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capital gains which is pretty nice for
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someone uh who's planning a a fire
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retirement especially something that
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might be more of a lean fire and uh that
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might be the perfect segue purple let's
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talk about your fire lifestyle Different
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Strokes for different folks some people
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spend more some people spend less what
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does a typical spending year or spending
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month look like for you so when I was
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living in Seattle we live downtown like
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I could see the Space Needle from my
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window All That Jazz um um I spent and
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this is just for myself $118,000 on
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average per year and I have all the
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caveats already listed out this is only
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possible because I have no house no car
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no kids no
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pets and I've been told I'm Frugal but I
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don't really understand that because I
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buy literally everything I want so I
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don't really understand um yeah so
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that's what I spent in Seattle for the
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five or so years that we were there I
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believe and then last year of course
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with the pandemic
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not going anywhere seeing anyone or
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doing anything was quite cheap so I
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think I spent like 15,000 or something
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something ridiculously low um yeah but
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my goal for retirement I actually I
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included a buffer on top of my regular
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Seattle spending 11% just for wiggle
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room um so my goal in the first couple
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of years is $20,000 a year however um my
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actual calculations I use for my
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retirement number have no spending
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ceiling so I'm assuming not just that I
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will increase my spending with inflation
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but that I will increase it throughout
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my life whether whether it's necessity
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which probably will happen because I'll
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be getting older I'll want more Comforts
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I'll have higher medical bills Etc or if
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I just want to if I change my mind about
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buying a house or anything like that so
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it's all about variable spending for me
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excellent and so for the listeners who
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might be questioning $15,000 or $188,000
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a year in spending no house no car no
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kids no pets goes a very long way into
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into that that differential and spending
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between what they might be spending or
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what what you spend I know I can think
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about my own budget and if I take away
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house car and pets all which I have I
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don't have any kids yet but that brings
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me down significantly closer to 18,000
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per year but just out of curiosity when
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you look over say the personal finance
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landscape maybe you read other blogs or
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you just see in your own life what
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people are spending money on do you find
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that other people are spending money on
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some significantly expensive items that
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you tend to forego or do you really
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attribute most of maybe the difference
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between the average spender and you to
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those four categories that that you
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mentioned before just those four
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categories because I don't think we've
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even mentioned really yet but I'm a
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nomad so we move every month so I would
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say I probably buy travel related items
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more than other people I eat out a whole
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bunch um we visit every Brewery that we
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can find um yeah I can't really think of
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anything else I love international
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travel however I travel hack it so I can
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fly first class for cheap um nice but I
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think it's really attributed to those
00:19:44
things besides that I buy anything I
00:19:47
want so The Nomad lifestyle is that all
00:19:50
like Airbnb kind of long-term rentals
00:19:52
yes indeed exactly that excellent and
00:19:56
then you just use the pronoun we in
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there so just to be just to be
00:20:00
transparent does that mean are you
00:20:01
splitting some costs with with a partner
00:20:04
I am so I have a partner we um have
00:20:08
completely separate finances and part of
00:20:10
our calculations when we we have
00:20:12
separate fi goals we have separate money
00:20:15
um calculations we did was to make sure
00:20:17
that we could still maintain this
00:20:19
retirement um if or when we break up so
00:20:24
currently yes we do however um if we did
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that we would just tweak our lifestyle a
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little bit but still maintain our
00:20:32
standard of living and still be able to
00:20:34
do this right well very pragmatic I
00:20:36
think that's a very pragmatic approach I
00:20:38
certainly appreciate that I mean one
00:20:40
thing I I'd love to pick your brain on
00:20:42
now that you've been uh you've been fi
00:20:45
for is it coming up on 12 months when
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exactly coming up on a year October 1
00:20:51
October 1 so cool well let's I'd love to
00:20:53
talk about the things that you've
00:20:55
learned in your in your first year what
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whether it's money related or whether
00:21:00
it's more of just personality related or
00:21:02
you know the things that you didn't
00:21:03
realize about retirement or didn't
00:21:05
realize about yourself getting these 40
00:21:07
hours a week back i' I'd love to know
00:21:10
some of the biggest lessons you've
00:21:12
learned oh my you ask hard questions let
00:21:15
me think about
00:21:18
this so a couple of things I had goals
00:21:21
going into retirement um that I was
00:21:24
hoping to fulfill and a couple of them
00:21:27
were to explore things that I'm curious
00:21:30
about one was to be more present one was
00:21:33
to be more in nature um and post
00:21:37
pandemic it was to travel more so all of
00:21:41
those goals I did assess This I Believe
00:21:43
in a host a while ago but all of those
00:21:46
goals have blown my expectations out of
00:21:49
the water like I went to Monas school
00:21:52
but since then I went to a pretty
00:21:55
hardcore High School very competitive
00:21:58
college and then obviously my um my job
00:22:02
was quite Cutthroat so my curiosity was
00:22:06
kind of like slapped out of me um which
00:22:09
made me really sad I couldn't really
00:22:12
look past like what was the next thing I
00:22:13
had to do what's the next thing I got a
00:22:15
next deadline next client meeting to
00:22:18
even wonder about what birds I'm hearing
00:22:21
outside the window we were talking about
00:22:22
birds before the show started but I used
00:22:25
to literally be so mad if I was awakened
00:22:27
by chirping because I have a few hours
00:22:29
to get to sleep before work or something
00:22:31
and now I wake up I'm like oh is that a
00:22:33
Carolina Ren what are you doing here
00:22:35
it's a little too far north for you and
00:22:37
my partner is like what is wrong with
00:22:39
you but in a good way and for one time I
00:22:42
got up to get a drink of water at like
00:22:44
400 a. or something and I came back and
00:22:46
I set the water down and I grabbed my
00:22:48
phone and I left and he was like what
00:22:49
are you doing and I was like I just
00:22:51
heard a bird call I don't recognize I'm
00:22:53
going to go investigate that he's like
00:22:54
it's 400 a.m. what's wrong with you I'm
00:22:56
like I'm excited so before that's not
00:22:59
anything I would care about or think to
00:23:01
do but I'm so more curious about the
00:23:04
world I've been learning all types of
00:23:06
birds I've been learning about all types
00:23:09
of animals that we see in our travels
00:23:12
different plants um I've been reading or
00:23:15
attempting to read I'm a little behind
00:23:16
but I think I'll still make it one
00:23:18
non-fiction book A Week um so I'm going
00:23:21
for 52 and 52 and they've been about all
00:23:24
these subjects so I'm learning more than
00:23:26
ever reading more than ever um the other
00:23:30
goal was being present which I've been
00:23:32
so much better at because uh mental work
00:23:36
guys it's it's I can't do it basically I
00:23:39
was always thinking about the client's
00:23:40
next issue or email or what might be
00:23:43
happening even when I was on a beach in
00:23:45
Vietnam thousands of miles away it was
00:23:48
vacation it was not my problem but I
00:23:50
could not stop I couldn't stop on
00:23:52
weekends I couldn't stop on evenings so
00:23:54
maybe that's a personal failing but no
00:23:56
matter what I tried meditation exercise
00:23:59
like I did went down all the suggestions
00:24:01
I couldn't do it I couldn't maintain a
00:24:03
healthy balance um it's also possible
00:24:05
that a marketing career just doesn't
00:24:07
really lend itself to that because it is
00:24:09
247 the client service aspect anyway so
00:24:13
when I retired I intentionally put my
00:24:16
phone on do not disturb basically all
00:24:18
the time I found a little uh setting
00:24:21
where I can have texts from my mom and
00:24:24
partner come through and that is it so
00:24:26
people are like you never texted me back
00:24:28
it's been a week I'm like I I'm getting
00:24:30
to you now aren't I like what's the
00:24:31
problem I was out there with birds or I
00:24:34
was out there exploring a new Brewery or
00:24:36
walking across town I don't have time
00:24:38
for your pings anyway they forgive me
00:24:41
but the point is I am so much more
00:24:43
present when I actually go to these
00:24:45
breweries with a friend I am there I'm
00:24:47
listening I'm not actually in my head
00:24:49
thinking of the next thing so that's
00:24:52
great and I think I also mentioned one
00:24:54
with nature obviously that's happening
00:24:56
for the reasons I mentioned
00:24:58
and the travel aspect fingers crossed it
00:25:00
will
00:25:02
come but right now we're doing more of a
00:25:04
slow obviously us only approach gotcha
00:25:08
so you're looking to get out into the
00:25:09
world explore new corners of the world
00:25:11
yeah yeah I had about six months of
00:25:13
international travel booked starting um
00:25:16
when I retired that obviously I had to
00:25:18
cancel so that's kind of
00:25:20
heartbreaking is is is part of the
00:25:23
travel plan intrinsically tied into fire
00:25:27
is in in some sort of
00:25:30
geoarbitrage no um it's just something
00:25:32
we're trying out um and we completely
00:25:34
acknowledge that I actually thought I
00:25:37
would be like okay I'm done after a year
00:25:39
but I'm finding that I am loving it way
00:25:42
more than I expected but it's also
00:25:44
possible that one of us will be like
00:25:46
okay I'm ready to settle down in a year
00:25:48
or three five 10 um so yeah it's not an
00:25:51
intrinsic part of the plan it's just
00:25:53
something we wanted to do and I actually
00:25:55
expected it to be way more expensive
00:25:57
than it is is I'm actually coming under
00:25:59
budget right now without trying so we'll
00:26:01
see what happens with that that is
00:26:04
awesome now I really loved you know
00:26:07
exploring what's Curious and kind of uh
00:26:11
maybe this is me putting words in your
00:26:12
mouth but almost going back to that that
00:26:14
childlike curiosity you mentioned monor
00:26:17
school and just as a personal anecdote
00:26:20
whenever I go home to my parents house
00:26:23
they live way out in the country they
00:26:25
have 20 acres it's mostly Woods
00:26:28
most trips something will will trip this
00:26:31
little nostalgic thought in my head of
00:26:33
something I did as a kid of some thought
00:26:36
process I had as a kid and I'll realize
00:26:39
man I haven't had a thought like that in
00:26:41
a while like there there's some way of
00:26:44
thinking that I had as a child that like
00:26:46
you said between maybe high school and
00:26:49
then barely competitive college and now
00:26:51
six years as an engineer I I don't think
00:26:54
that way anymore and I do miss it I miss
00:26:56
it get back there maybe you could find
00:26:58
the balance I have know hopefully sooner
00:27:01
than later hopefully sooner than later
00:27:03
just out of curiosity purple uh top top
00:27:05
book recommendations any any particular
00:27:07
books in the last year really stick out
00:27:09
out of the ones you've read so I'm not
00:27:11
sure I can give this recommendation yet
00:27:13
because I have like two chapters left
00:27:14
but I am loving psychology of money by
00:27:17
Morgan housel loving that book um it had
00:27:21
some analogies like obviously I read a
00:27:23
lot of Finance books I feel like I've
00:27:25
read them all even though I'm sure
00:27:26
that's not true but this one was the
00:27:28
first one
00:27:29
in maybe since I started my f Journey
00:27:32
that I was like this is new this is a
00:27:35
different way of thinking about money
00:27:37
that I've never heard of before so that
00:27:39
was that is Sensational so far highly
00:27:42
recommend um another one would be
00:27:44
laziness does not exist by Devin Price
00:27:48
that was fantastic um the title
00:27:50
basically says it all I say on my blog
00:27:52
that I'm a huge proponent of laziness
00:27:55
because of our productivity ridiculous
00:27:57
ousness culture and I think it's harmful
00:28:01
in its own way so this book goes into
00:28:04
the history of laziness like how it came
00:28:06
about as a value system that you value
00:28:08
yourself based on your output to society
00:28:10
and like all this stuff and it's kind of
00:28:11
messed up kind of dark um in the history
00:28:14
portion of that but that just lends
00:28:16
weight to how ridiculous this idea is
00:28:18
and it's kind of made to control people
00:28:21
so you know not great and then it also
00:28:24
goes into it's awesome that you have
00:28:26
Passions you do all this but it's okay
00:28:28
to rest like these are the signs your
00:28:30
body needs to rest burnout is real it
00:28:33
doesn't just happen to other people like
00:28:34
it can lead serious health issues all
00:28:36
this stuff so basically everyone needs
00:28:38
to take a nap and I love naps and that's
00:28:40
that yeah well thank you for that
00:28:42
recommendation here here on naps I'm
00:28:45
gonna go look that book up see if I can
00:28:46
get a used
00:28:47
copy my library at least wonderful do
00:28:51
you uh do you get most of your books
00:28:53
from the library or from some sort I do
00:28:55
excellent I was recently recommending um
00:28:58
I think it's called Libby Libby app yes
00:29:00
love Libby I haven't used it yet but
00:29:03
maybe I'll give it a try on laziness
00:29:05
does not exist um I get most of my books
00:29:08
from a store called Better World Books
00:29:13
and they um their their their business
00:29:16
model is used books mostly used books
00:29:18
fairly cheap three to $7 per book
00:29:22
delivered for free so love it right I
00:29:25
can get five books for 25 bucks
00:29:27
delivered to my house uh I get to keep
00:29:29
the hard copy which I like being able to
00:29:31
take notes and such but uh I'll give
00:29:33
Libby a try laziness does not exist and
00:29:37
yeah uh purple I feel that with with the
00:29:40
best interest whether it's the blog or
00:29:41
the podcast where there are times when I
00:29:44
feel mostly uh in internally generated
00:29:49
pressure to
00:29:51
produce whether it's you know I got I
00:29:53
know I got to edit a podcast or I know I
00:29:55
got to write that article I'm trying to
00:29:56
write an article every week and more
00:29:58
recently I've been reminding myself that
00:30:00
you know what uh I'm kind of only
00:30:03
answering to myself here and uh if I'm
00:30:06
working so hard on it that I no longer
00:30:09
enjoy it kind of defeats the whole
00:30:10
purpose you solved it you can write the
00:30:13
book
00:30:14
now maybe I'll start with a blog post on
00:30:16
that um well let's uh in the last year
00:30:21
just just to touch on this point one
00:30:22
more time uh know learned about the very
00:30:26
cool things that you've been doing with
00:30:28
your time and how much you've enjoyed
00:30:29
them and they've exceeded your
00:30:31
expectations from a budgetary point of
00:30:33
view is there anything that has
00:30:36
surprised you or is there anything that
00:30:38
you you miss or anything that you've had
00:30:40
to cut or anything that you've added in
00:30:42
that that you weren't expecting
00:30:44
to um so when I started analyzing my
00:30:48
budget when I actually figured out what
00:30:50
I was spending which I didn't know
00:30:52
before I started my f Journey um I
00:30:55
decided to try cutting things out with
00:30:58
the knowledge that if I did miss them I
00:31:00
would put them back in like I don't
00:31:01
think that's personally a sustainable
00:31:03
model to take anything out that brings
00:31:06
you Joy so I refused to do that
00:31:08
personally um so I tried like decreasing
00:31:12
restaurants and having more parties at
00:31:13
my house and I found that I really much
00:31:16
more loved the parties at my house um so
00:31:19
I had more of those but I still went out
00:31:21
to restaurants and I found that um the
00:31:24
like I went into a weird Sid spiral in
00:31:27
New York for a hot second when I was
00:31:29
like unhappy and I didn't know what to
00:31:31
do and everyone at work was like oh well
00:31:34
you need to buy these expensive heels
00:31:36
and this purse and I was like what I've
00:31:37
never expressed that I like those things
00:31:39
I like this will make you feel better I
00:31:40
was like okay I guess I'll try it so I
00:31:42
tried it and I was like this is garbage
00:31:44
so I cut that out and never looked back
00:31:48
um I and the only thing I've added that
00:31:50
I didn't expect well I shouldn't say
00:31:53
didn't expect because I it's been on my
00:31:55
to-do list for like four years I just
00:31:57
got a password manager that I pay
00:32:00
for nice so on your computer too many
00:32:04
passwords too much not even that that my
00:32:07
human brain can't remember secure enough
00:32:10
passwords right um and obviously I
00:32:13
should protect my stuff which I knew and
00:32:16
I was like I'll get to that later and
00:32:18
then I felt so embarrassed because it
00:32:20
was the easiest thing to sign up for and
00:32:22
it's super cheap so
00:32:24
whoops another good recommendation might
00:32:27
take you up on we uh yeah I've got a lot
00:32:30
of passwords we recently had to redo
00:32:31
some passwords at work and the uh the
00:32:35
rules the standards for the passwords
00:32:37
are unbelievably complex yep uh
00:32:41
uppercase and lowercase numbers and
00:32:43
symbols you have to have at least two of
00:32:45
each of those yep uh you can't have two
00:32:48
you can't have more than two in a row of
00:32:51
the same type and you also can't have
00:32:53
dictionary words in there so you know
00:32:56
the word cat all lowercase if that was
00:32:59
part of my password not allowed because
00:33:01
that's three lower case three lowercase
00:33:03
letters in a row so I don't know how uh
00:33:06
human beings of Flesh and Blood are
00:33:08
supposed to remember these passwords
00:33:09
that are filled with asterisks and
00:33:12
random you can you can SpongeBob your
00:33:14
password though do every other uppercase
00:33:16
lowercase okay okay that's sound secure
00:33:20
yeah so I'm literally not a shi for this
00:33:23
company but I password does have
00:33:25
business accounts I'm just saying
00:33:27
wait I'm sorry say that one more time
00:33:30
one password is the password I use the
00:33:33
number one password one password one
00:33:37
password and we'll tell them that purple
00:33:39
sent
00:33:40
us they don't know me I gonna say we
00:33:43
will get zero dollars off but hey
00:33:45
they'll appreciate they're like
00:33:47
who I'll tag you on Twitter and then
00:33:50
they're they're social media person will
00:33:52
say who you'll get the internet points
00:33:55
well last question and and it might a
00:33:58
sure it's a question that you have a
00:33:59
good answer for if we were to have say a
00:34:03
a bad Market a crash an 0708 style
00:34:08
multi-year down 40% environment how does
00:34:12
that affect your portfolio your plans
00:34:15
would you make any adjustments in short
00:34:17
term or would you would you stay the
00:34:19
course in in everything that you're
00:34:21
currently doing so here's the wild thing
00:34:24
I mentioned that I retired with like
00:34:26
five 40 uh last I checked which I think
00:34:29
was on Friday I have 7:30 right now so
00:34:33
the market would have to drop what is
00:34:35
that 26% just to get me back to where I
00:34:38
was and thought I would be right now so
00:34:41
that's cool but if it continue to drop
00:34:43
the whole 40 yes of course I would make
00:34:46
adjustments um the main thing I think is
00:34:49
that I would just pick more lower cost
00:34:51
of living places to live intentionally
00:34:53
instead of accidentally which is what
00:34:55
we're doing right now like we didn't
00:34:57
have anywhere we needed to be for the
00:34:59
month of August so I literally went to
00:35:01
airbnb.com and I typed in northeastern
00:35:04
USA and that's how we found this place
00:35:06
in the cat skills it's $1,200 a month
00:35:08
it's gorgeous it's downtown it's
00:35:10
walkable to everything I have never been
00:35:12
to the cat skills before I love it and
00:35:14
we're talking about coming back next
00:35:15
year so I would intentionally pick
00:35:18
places like that um and if hopefully
00:35:21
this is a pandemic free hypothesis I
00:35:24
would also Go Global that's something
00:35:26
obviously we're Miss doing Mexico is
00:35:28
right there lower cost of living
00:35:31
wonderful standard of living I've been
00:35:34
dreaming and looking at places in Merida
00:35:36
which have pools and all this other
00:35:38
stuff for the 1,200 we're paying here so
00:35:42
I would probably pick more international
00:35:44
travel and lower cost places in the US
00:35:47
but that's about it like my main I think
00:35:50
it's 50 or 60% of my budget is housing
00:35:53
so i' tweak that and then just live my
00:35:55
life yeah excellent I mean that is
00:35:59
that's the same advice that most
00:36:01
financial planners would give to a
00:36:03
retiree of traditional age if the market
00:36:06
goes down if you're concerned about the
00:36:08
longevity of your portfolio the easiest
00:36:11
dial to turn is your spending in the
00:36:14
short term so so maybe you know if
00:36:17
you're a normal say a normal age retiree
00:36:20
maybe you postpone that $10,000 uh Euro
00:36:23
trip postpone withdrawing that money
00:36:25
from your accounts until the market has
00:36:27
recovered that way you're not having to
00:36:30
uh withdraw extra shares in order to
00:36:34
fund your lifestyle simple simple
00:36:37
arithmetic at this point we could
00:36:39
probably go into the rapid fire
00:36:41
questions sure unless there's anything
00:36:44
anything on your mind that uh that you
00:36:46
did want to go back or or talk about
00:36:49
anything like that like I had something
00:36:51
with the oh taxes I had one
00:36:55
recommendation since we're just given
00:36:56
out recommendations I mess with the
00:36:59
calculator at turbotax. Inu it.com they
00:37:02
have a tax tool that's really easy to
00:37:04
use um so I would recommend that if you
00:37:08
guys are confused as I am and was and
00:37:11
usually still am about how capital gains
00:37:13
are taxed differently and how that is
00:37:15
affected if you do have income coming in
00:37:17
an addition and dividends and qualified
00:37:19
dividends and all that hot stuff um they
00:37:22
have really easy to use thing so you can
00:37:23
figure it out gotcha so do you use that
00:37:25
tool is it is it specific to that
00:37:28
scenario you just laid out of the
00:37:30
dividends and cap gains or is it more
00:37:32
holistic and you kind of use it for your
00:37:33
entire retirement it's completely
00:37:35
holistic I use it um just to estimate
00:37:40
things I actually don't use Turbo Tax
00:37:42
for my actual taxes because I think
00:37:44
they're kind of scam artists but um I
00:37:47
use tax act just because when I use
00:37:49
Turbo Tax previously I'd get through the
00:37:51
whole thing they'd tell me it was free
00:37:53
and then they're like JK it's $50 and I
00:37:54
was like that is a scamster um so yeah
00:37:57
Tax Act is where I'm at currently
00:37:59
actually I take that back I started
00:38:01
using um Credit Karma came out with a
00:38:04
Tax Solution um but then I think they
00:38:06
were bought by tax act so it's very
00:38:08
confusing but I'm currently with Credit
00:38:10
Karma and just use the turbox tool to
00:38:13
estimate my stuff gotcha yeah and I can
00:38:15
second I've never used Turbo Tax but I
00:38:18
have close friends and and my partner
00:38:21
she's used Turbo Tax and same exact
00:38:23
scenario like you get 98% of the way
00:38:26
through you've just spent an hour
00:38:28
filling in all your information and
00:38:30
everything has said free free free free
00:38:32
free and then some point in the end they
00:38:34
say oh we just ran this calculation and
00:38:36
you don't actually qualify for the free
00:38:38
portion here's your bill seems illegal
00:38:41
but okay does sure does and and you know
00:38:45
turbotech they are um you they've got so
00:38:47
much brand recognition right and they
00:38:49
must get so many people must fall for
00:38:52
that trap uh I agree it'd be nice if
00:38:55
there was a uh uh watch Watchman out
00:38:58
there to uh help us with that one one
00:39:00
day maybe anyway yeah what are you doing
00:39:03
in your retirement purple you want to go
00:39:05
Hound uh I have too many naps to take
00:39:07
I'm sorry I'm busy with my birds so the
00:39:12
first of the famous rapid fire questions
00:39:15
what was the last material object or
00:39:17
personal luxury that you spent $100 or
00:39:21
more
00:39:22
on has to be an object h or it could be
00:39:27
anything anything nice a personal luxury
00:39:29
okay then it's always just
00:39:31
travel easy peasy usually the taxes on
00:39:34
an international first class flight that
00:39:37
uh originally cost $20,000 and I spent
00:39:40
200 in taxes on wow wow so how how does
00:39:44
that happen from 20 from 20,000 to only
00:39:47
taxes well I use um airline miles for
00:39:50
the actual cost of the flight and then
00:39:52
they do have just I think it's like
00:39:54
airport I don't even know what it's
00:39:56
called parking taxes or something or
00:39:59
local government tax or something like
00:40:00
that so there's usually some type of
00:40:02
taxes I have to pay on top of the actual
00:40:04
cost um but yeah it's way cheaper
00:40:07
obviously and I'm not spending my entire
00:40:09
annual budget on one flight so a
00:40:12
curiosity are those miles that you had
00:40:14
built up from when you were
00:40:16
working they are currently because like
00:40:19
I mentioned we had to cancel all of our
00:40:21
travel so I now have a giant nest egg
00:40:24
that I need to use because lines are
00:40:27
jacking up the needed miles to go places
00:40:30
I understand they're in distress I get
00:40:32
it um but it's kind of a race to get rid
00:40:34
of them however my mom has been retired
00:40:37
for almost six years she retired at to
00:40:40
55 and she's had no problem continuing
00:40:43
to rack up miles in retirement so I'm G
00:40:46
to ask her what's up with that after we
00:40:48
finish getting rid of mine nice I I see
00:40:52
I see um the next question what's one
00:40:56
good habit you're trying to form or a
00:40:59
bad habit that you're trying to
00:41:01
break so it's related to being present
00:41:04
and I mentioned the Do Not Disturb thing
00:41:07
but the other specific that I went into
00:41:10
retirement wanting to do was to
00:41:11
seriously cut down my time on social
00:41:13
media because it's a wonderful tool it's
00:41:17
how I met all of my finance friends who
00:41:19
are now my real life friends absolutely
00:41:21
wonderful it's where I get a lot of my
00:41:23
recommendations in life um but it's a
00:41:26
suck for sure um and I'd you know look
00:41:28
up from scrolling and be like how did an
00:41:30
hour pass so I put some rules in place
00:41:34
for myself and basically I don't scroll
00:41:36
anymore um I intentionally like maybe
00:41:41
once a day maybe twice a day take my
00:41:44
phone off do not disturb and then my
00:41:46
notifications from social media pop up I
00:41:48
can go to the notifications and respond
00:41:50
to them but I don't just go mindlessly
00:41:53
through any of the apps and that has
00:41:55
saved me in immense amount of time also
00:41:58
stress because in 2020 Doom scrolling
00:42:01
was like an entire activity so now I
00:42:05
figure out you know what's really
00:42:07
important and I get that news but I
00:42:09
don't need to know every horrible thing
00:42:10
that's ever happened to anyone ever in
00:42:12
life so that's just stress and something
00:42:15
I can't
00:42:17
control well I do try to remind myself
00:42:20
that with 99% of social media maybe more
00:42:24
you are the product meaning me you and
00:42:27
the listeners we are the product and uh
00:42:30
yeah I think it's an excellent practice
00:42:31
to try to uh make yourself as small of a
00:42:34
product as you can because you're you're
00:42:37
selling yourself oftentimes without your
00:42:39
knowledge and uh I don't think that's
00:42:41
good for your long-term whether it want
00:42:44
to be mental health or just time like
00:42:46
you said it's a Time
00:42:49
suck uh next question purple what's your
00:42:52
favorite Financial tool or app or
00:42:54
service that you use and and why do you
00:42:56
like it well we already talked about my
00:42:59
latest Obsession which is the password
00:43:01
manager did one password um if I have to
00:43:05
come up with another one um it's
00:43:08
probably wab you need a budget I've been
00:43:10
using it for about six years and
00:43:13
technically anyone could make it as a
00:43:16
spreadsheet like it started as a
00:43:18
spreadsheet before it was an app um
00:43:20
however I just love them so much and I
00:43:23
basically like shut up and take my money
00:43:25
they have so many great free tools for
00:43:27
everyone to help them with budgeting to
00:43:28
help them reframe how they think of
00:43:30
budgeting um because I previously had
00:43:33
used mint.com and basically if I went
00:43:36
over a dollar it would go bright red and
00:43:38
it would be like you went over and I was
00:43:40
like great then forget it I'm just going
00:43:41
to spend all the money because it's over
00:43:44
instead weab is like so you went $1 over
00:43:46
do you want to take that from like your
00:43:48
hair fund because you're not dying your
00:43:49
hair purple this month and I'm like sure
00:43:51
great and they're like great you did a
00:43:52
great job I'm like Yay it's there's no
00:43:55
such thing as is budget failure so
00:43:58
they're wonderful and actually now
00:44:00
they're better than a spreadsheet in
00:44:02
that they have linked accounts if you
00:44:04
want so they'll just import everything
00:44:06
from your accounts so you don't have to
00:44:08
write it in yourself um but yeah I'm a
00:44:10
wev fan I'm getting all my friends on it
00:44:14
excellent I too use weab despite the
00:44:17
fact that this podcast is sponsored by
00:44:19
personal Capital reason reason being
00:44:22
reason being weab I'm not big enough for
00:44:25
weab to sponsor me yet and uh having
00:44:27
used personal capital I think it's a
00:44:29
good tool and I think it can do a lot of
00:44:31
good for right it can do a lot of good
00:44:33
for plenty of people but if I had one
00:44:36
budgeting tracking net worth tool to use
00:44:39
it would be weab and I've been a proud
00:44:41
wab user as it was intended for uh three
00:44:46
years now and or maybe even no yeah
00:44:49
three years and before that probably for
00:44:52
three or four years as it was not
00:44:53
intended meaning I was that means I was
00:44:56
not following the the wiep prime
00:44:58
directives and I would I would cheat and
00:45:01
I I would I would track like you know
00:45:03
90% of my expenditures I'd be like I
00:45:06
think I'm okay on the rest or you know
00:45:08
I'd I'd spend I know was bad I'd spend
00:45:10
you know 200 bucks on new hiking boots
00:45:13
that were not in my budget and I just be
00:45:15
like well I just I just won't budget
00:45:17
those I I won't track those about away
00:45:20
around the system it was pretty bad yeah
00:45:22
and then in November 2018 I sat down and
00:45:25
said you know what going to do it the
00:45:26
right way and just start tracking
00:45:28
everything and and really knowing where
00:45:30
my money was going and that was a great
00:45:33
choice it is a great tool I've never
00:45:35
heard of anything like that I'm glad you
00:45:37
came around my wab Center um and the
00:45:41
last one purple probably the most
00:45:43
challenging one so no no worries if you
00:45:45
need a second um the last question is
00:45:49
what message would you put on a
00:45:50
billboard if I gave you a billboard to
00:45:53
share with the world what would you say
00:45:56
so I'm stealing this from my favorite
00:45:59
horror YouTube channel dead meat he ends
00:46:02
every single video with it and he's done
00:46:03
like 300 videos or something ridiculous
00:46:05
so far um and I feel it so hard it's be
00:46:09
good
00:46:11
people that is an excellent way to end
00:46:14
be good people purple if folks listening
00:46:18
want to read your story read your blog
00:46:21
if they want to send you a quick hello
00:46:23
note how can they find you you can find
00:46:26
me over at a purp life.com I've got all
00:46:29
my social media there email address all
00:46:31
the good
00:46:33
stuff excellent thank you purple I will
00:46:35
make sure to put that in the show notes
00:46:38
and thank you for coming on to the best
00:46:39
interest podcast it was great chatting
00:46:41
with you tonight thanks so much for
00:46:43
having me it was a
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00:46:54
huge shout out thank you for coming
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