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There needs to be more prison and more
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judgment around who was in the wrong
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place at the wrong time.
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>> Yes, I agree. But there's a lot of
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people who knew exactly what they were
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doing.
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>> Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York
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Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast
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Network. I'm Carara Swisser
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>> and I'm Scott Galloway.
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>> Resist and unsubscribe. February has
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begun. How's it going? You You've been
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putting up a lot. You've been really
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getting rid of [ __ ] I've been getting
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rid of a lot, but not like you. I still
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have Uber. I was just gonna pause it and
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use Lift instead.
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>> Yeah, it sucks when you got to walk the
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walk. Um
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>> I know. I know.
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>> So, I mean, I'm insight. You'd be a
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better judge of how it's going than me.
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I mean, I've I've literally I've gotten
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hundreds and I'm about to cross a
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thousand emails of people with
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screenshots of them unsubscribing.
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Obviously, you need hundreds of
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thousands, maybe millions. I'm going on
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CNN, MSNBC, PBS. I'm doing all I'm doing
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the rounds there. I've heard from
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>> about taking off, I have to tell you.
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I'm hearing it from lots of people.
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>> Oh, thanks. I think Well, I hope you're
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right. You're probably being generous
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because you like me, but I've heard from
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about a third of the companies, either
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their CEOs, and they've been very
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polite, but they're like, "You realize
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that I supported this and I'm against
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ICE." And I'm like, "Yeah, to me you
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are, but I haven't heard you say dick
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publicly,
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>> not dick."
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>> Um, and what's interesting is through
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the process, for example, I unsubscribed
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from Uber or I cancelled my Uber
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account.
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>> That was a big one. I thought that was a
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big deal.
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>> Oh my god. Before you go, it tells you,
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all right, I've ordered 37 times from
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Uber Eats. How many Ubers have I taken
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in the last 10 years? Guess
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>> I don't know, thousands.
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>> 3747.
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>> And I did some I did some math here.
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>> Everyone thought you had a private
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driver. I'm like, he doesn't have a
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[ __ ] private driver.
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>> It's called Uber. It's called Daros.
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That's right.
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>> Anyways, I absolutely love Uber Lux. And
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this is a story of privilege. Let me do
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my land acknowledgements. Most people
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don't have the money I have. Anyways,
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but I've taken 350 Ubers a year for the
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last 10 years on average. The average
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price of Uber Lux has gone from 40 to
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$60 to 80 to120. And this is what these
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companies do. They do predatory pricing.
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They price it below market. Incredible
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value proposition. They wait till they
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consolidate the market. Then they start
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raising prices, which Uber has done 7 to
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10% a year for the last decade. So this
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year in 2025, do you know how much I'm
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spending a year on Uber?
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>> No. What? I'm spending $34,000 a year on
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Uber.
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>> What?
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>> So, I figured it out.
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>> I figured it out.
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>> Okay.
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>> Everywhere. I go everywhere.
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>> You could have hired a driver. Yeah.
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>> Okay. No, better yet, I figured it out.
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I'm now taking the tube here. I'm taking
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the subway. By the way, the subway in
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New York is amazing.
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>> And I'm I'm I'm filling in the gaps with
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Uber X, whatever it's called, the cheap
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one where you get an air freshener and
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you know, a guy who can't figure out
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ways. That was probably a hate crime.
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Anyways, and then but I figured out the
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money I'm going to save, I could buy,
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including insurance and parking. I could
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lease a Mercedes G Wagon, a Range Rover,
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or the new BMW i Series 7. People do not
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realize how much money they are spending
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>> on these platforms because they get you
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in, they automatically renew. Time goes
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faster than you think,
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>> right?
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>> I found out I have three Chachi BT
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subscriptions. I'm not sure why, but I
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have three
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>> drunken night.
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>> I have four Apple TV Plus subscriptions.
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I'm like, how do I log on here? And I
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just log on again or I just create a new
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account.
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>> I have been I switched from AT&T, which
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has been a supporter of ICE. I'm saving
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>> approximately $70 a month on AT&T,
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switching over to Noble, which I did
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before. Mhm.
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>> Anyways, I'm I'm doing I'm trying to
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unsubscribe from some from something
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every day and do some analysis around
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>> what I've spent and what it's cost. But
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>> may I ask a question because someone did
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bring this up. Would you get rid of your
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stocks in these companies?
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>> Oh, that's a tough one.
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>> I know. That's what I thought. I thought
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it was a good question.
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>> Okay, this is the bottom line.
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I think I'm going to have to. Yeah.
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>> Um I'm also thinking about transferring
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all of my stocks and bonds and assets
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from
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from Goldman and uh going either to a
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regional bank or even a Canadian bank. I
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feel
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>> RBC, whatever.
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>> I just don't want to hate I don't want
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to hurt Americans, but I think I might
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go to a regional bank.
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>> Yeah. Uh, but I am I am going to I am
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going to try and walk the walk here. And
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every day I'm I'm unsubscribing or
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cancelling from
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>> Yeah.
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>> from something. But yeah,
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>> it gets easy to harder. That's It was a
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good question from a listener. I thought
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Let's listen to some of what our
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listeners have called in to tell us
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they've done.
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>> I unsubscribed from Apple TV.
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>> I have personally unsubscribed from
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every streaming service that is
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currently out there.
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Personally, I had given up Amazon three
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egregious Jeff Bezos acts ago. I had
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been guilty keeping the Kindle
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Unlimited. That is gone as of today, as
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is Apple Fitness.
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>> This is Michael in Cameroon
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and I have cancelled my Chat GPT Pro and
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Amazon Prime.
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>> Amazon acquired IMDb 25 years ago. I've
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been paying for the pro membership
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subscription for the last 20 years. It's
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a pain, but I can find this information
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elsewhere. So, click
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>> good. This is all different. You don't
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realize how how we how much stuff we pay
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these people everywhere. And also,
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what's really helpful is you gave
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examples of what you can go to helping
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people go to other things. Now, can I
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just make one point? Not everything is
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perfect. No company, all companies have
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been involved in all kinds of nefarious
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activities that you don't like, but you
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got to meet the moment for now. And you
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could always go back to them, right, at
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at some point. That's the thing. It's
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you're sending a message right now like
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uh I have to give up the Amazon stuff. I
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got to work on that today. Like I I use
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Amazon a lot. My wife's shift shifted to
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local retailers, which one of the
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problems is you can't find products
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because of the tariffs. Like, and that's
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diff stuff you use every day. Uh, but
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I'm really um I think this is a great
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effort, Scott Galloway. I just
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>> Thanks. And the I mean a few things.
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One, I'm not telling people not to go to
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work or not to buy groceries. I don't
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think someone who has the blessings I
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have is in a position to tell people to
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take risks with their employment or
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really sacrifice around things like
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food. What I'm suggesting is this is a
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signal and a framework for how you
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inflict the maximum damage with a
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minimum amount of sacrifice. And that is
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if you were to say stop shopping at
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Kroger's and reduce your grocery spend,
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I think you have X impact. When you go
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after big tech who has the presidents
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and the markets a year in subscription
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revenue where these companies are
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trading at 30, 50, 100 times revenues,
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you have 40x the impact on the
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administration with what is in my view a
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fairly minimal sacrifice. When you look
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at how many substitutes there are and
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when you actually uncover how much money
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you're spending and what is really
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required to not participate, it's not as
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much as you think. There is there's the
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tube, there's Uber X, there are a ton of
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streaming media platforms, there are
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free 30-day Spotify accounts if you
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cancel and then resubscribe. It's
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there's a lot of ways here to have a big
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impact without a huge you don't have to
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take your entire Saturday and go to a
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protest. And I'm not discouraging pe
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people from doing that, but if you want
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to look at maximum impact relative to
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the investment or the sacrifice,
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uh I think this is it.
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>> Yep. I like the three three egregious
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Jeff Bezos acts ago. We're in like 10 at
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this point. Anyway, keep going. Keep
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going. Keep putting those things up.
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I'll keep Well, people you can find hund
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hundreds of dollars that you can take
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away from them and and they will know.
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It does add up. a a little tiny drop
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becomes a great stream and then an
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ocean. So anyway, we've got a lot to get
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to today, so let's dig in. The Justice
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Department released this was something
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over the weekend. 3.5 million new pages
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of Epstein related files late last week.
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They're not even the worst ones. There's
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3 million more. That must be the worst,
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including 2,000 videos and 180,000
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images a mere 42 days after the fedally
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mandated deadline. By the way, they are
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not following the law. There are
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millions more they need to release. They
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said they weren't going to, but they are
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going to have to, I think. Deputy
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Attorney General Todd Blanch said the
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release brings the DOJ into compliance
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with the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
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It doesn't. The lawmakers and survivors
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are calling the document inadequate and
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filled with redaction errors. At least
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5,300 documents mention Donald Trump. A
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lot of these are unverified tips, but
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Trump said he's been told the latest
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release absolves him. It does not. The
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files show how Epstein's network
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stretched across Hollywood, Wall Street,
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Washington, Silicon Valley. That's
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what's really quite fascinating here
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with people like Brett Ratner who was
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just at the White House with he did the
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Melonia document, Howard Lutnik, who
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lied about being in touch with Epstein
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who made a big show of not thinking he
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was awful and then was hanging out with
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him in his place in in the Caribbean.
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Bill Gates, Elon Musk, all appearing in
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the documents. Elon Mus look like he's
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losing a having a a stroke in real time
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um uh over these things and trying to
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pretend he doesn't mean anything. So
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talk about this and obviously another
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person has kind of caught up some we've
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talked about Peter Atia a number of
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really distasteful texts thousands of
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them um actually uh so lots of people
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involved they really stretch the gamut
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and they're all very social with each
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other Casey Wasserman who's running the
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Olympic uh uh effort for example
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apologized um I'll take note just so you
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know a lot of fake Elon emails floating
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out there but it's clear his
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relationship with Elon is not how he's
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framed it in the asked, which is he
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wasn't interested. He's been posting on
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X all weekend saying is where his emails
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to Epstein could be misinterpreted. He's
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also back and forth with Reed Hoffman,
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who Reed really got him, saying if you
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really cared about the victims, you
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wouldn't have spent $210 million on
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Donald Trump and also have all that uh
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non-consensual uh uh stuff on on on
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Grock, which I think is absolutely
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right. So, thoughts, Scott? I mean, it's
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been pretty riveting in a lot of ways.
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Yeah, it's it I mean there's just so
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much here. One, I think you have to put
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on your critical thinking cap and
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discern between different acts, criminal
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acts, poor judgment, and people who are
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just unlucky. Um, any other
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administration would be taking advantage
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of the moment to say we have appointed a
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special counsel here and we are going to
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prosecute people based on this
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information.
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and
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>> the criminal
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>> if if if you had sex with an underage
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girl, you should be subject to criminal
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prosecution. And these files seem to
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seem to indicate that that absolutely
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happened here. And if all this [ __ ]
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about concern over the victims, well,
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okay, the way you bring closure and
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create incentives such that other people
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don't do this is you criminally
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prosecute. There's another group of
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people that I think is even bigger and
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that is the people who have demonstrated
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really poor judgment by cohorting,
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collaborating, commiserating with a
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convicted pedophile.
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>> Let me add Steve Bannon was right up in
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his group. He was they were like
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freaking
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>> right. And those people should be
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shamed. Maybe those people maybe we
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should not be comfortable with those
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people in leadership positions. I'd like
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to think the bar for you know president
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is that that would not clear that bar.
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So, but people get to decide if they're
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comfortable with that those errors and
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judgment. And then I think an even
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bigger concentric circle is a lot of
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people who are just in the wrong place
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at the wrong time. And I don't I I you
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know I don't want to I'm not saying
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absolve them of all or I I don't think
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they're guiltless, but I do think a lot
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of people got invited to some conference
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about philanthropy or whatever and ended
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up in the Epstein files.
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>> Yeah. No, I know. I listen, oddly
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enough, I I I will say full disclosure,
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I we sent Epstein a note to go to dive
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into media because we bought a TED list
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and he was a big a lot of those people
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in these files are all ex TED people.
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They were and so we bought mailing list
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and there's an email uh that which is a
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mailing list email. It wasn't from me.
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um he was on it and then for some reason
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some of the people around him sent him
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articles I wrote and that's you know so
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I searched myself immediately and that's
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the pretty that's the extent what I can
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find I have been at parties as I said
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where big huge dinner events at like TED
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Ted was where he showed up a lot um
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where he apparently was I never met him
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but I mean you that's what you're
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talking about correct but or I think
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mine's even less than that
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>> Elon Musk who appears who have been, you
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know, had a lot decent amount of
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interaction with Jeffrey Epstein
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immediately goes on the offensive and
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tries to start pulling Reed Hoffman into
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it and Reed looks like he was squarely
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on the outer circle here.
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>> Yeah, I would agree. I know a lot about
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his
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>> That's how gross this is getting. The
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other observation
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is that there's pedophilia
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and what's going on here in some ways is
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worse. What do I mean by that? I do
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think there are pedophiles who have a
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psych a psych psychiatric ailment
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where they are unnaturally
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attracted sexually to children and I
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think a lot of them not a lot of them
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some of them recognize this ailment and
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seek treatment some do not and some end
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up becoming pedophiles and should end up
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in prison. I think in some ways this is
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worse in the sense that I think the
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people guilty of having sex with
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underage girls here while the term is
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pedophilia what it is is a group of
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people who feel they are not subject to
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laws and the standards that everyone
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else is subject to. I think they think,
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"Oh, this is fun. It's a party and if I
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have sex with an underage girl, I can
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that's fun and it's a thrill and I can
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do it because I am not subject to the
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same standards and laws as everyone
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else." Mhm.
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>> So, while I think a lot of these people,
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if in fact there was, and it appears
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there was, criminal
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uh rape, I I'm not sure they're
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pedophiles, what they are is people
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who've decided that because of their
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money, power, and proximity to power
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that they're not subject to any
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standards whatsoever.
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>> Party. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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>> In my opinion, in some ways,
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that's that's the sickness that infects
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our powerful. Well, what's interesting
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is how it cuts across party lines,
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right? You have all these
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Democratleaning people.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Kibbitzing with like a Steve Bannon,
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kibbitzing with a this and that.
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>> All unified around partying and having
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sex with
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>> St. Barts. Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Girls and stuff like that. That's what
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was gross. I do think I I want to zero
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in on the judgment thing here because
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there is judgment of what you what you
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should and shouldn't do. like, you know,
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everyone knew what this guy was back
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then. Trust me, they did and they went
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anyway. And so, bad judgment on Bill
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Gates's part, and I think Melinda Gates
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has talked about this. Howard Lutnik
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like literally went out of his way to
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say what a good judgment he had by never
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he had a massage day in his living room
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and went bragged on how he rejected him
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and then was at his place, stayed at his
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house, was like super friendly. [ __ ]
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that guy. like the judgment. I'm sorry.
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There's there's more there than that.
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The same thing with Peter Aia. I I feel
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like everyone knew what was happening
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here. And so there should be a you can
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decide what you want to do with these
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people, but there should be a price for
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this level of it's in the same genre of
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we can do whatever we want. Who cares?
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You know, haha, you know, [ __ ] is low
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carb. Like are you kidding me? Like I
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mean it would be it's stupid joke if the
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guy you were talking to was a sexual
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predator, right? And so that's why I
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find it a little more
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>> I see I'm I'm less and it's safer just
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to say this is awful and these people
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should be cancelled. I do think that
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people when they send private emails
00:16:24
should be granted a lot of license and
00:16:27
if they aren't guilty of a crime, you
00:16:29
can decide not to listen to their
00:16:30
podcast.
00:16:31
>> Yep. That's what I mean.
00:16:33
>> But I I think we have a tendency to mix
00:16:36
criminal activity with poor judgment.
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And I think you have to draw bright
00:16:41
lines between them. And
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>> I don't to me it it just is like someone
00:16:46
is
00:16:48
accidentally mentioned in the Epstein
00:16:49
files because they flew on a plane with
00:16:51
other people to some nonprofit event
00:16:53
talking about technology
00:16:55
>> and people who might have been in the
00:16:58
files there is report of an individual
00:17:01
Mhm.
00:17:01
>> who impregnated an 11year-old.
00:17:03
>> Yeah. Y
00:17:04
>> I mean, one is spend the rest of your
00:17:06
life in prison. The other was, okay,
00:17:08
maybe you should do more diligence on
00:17:10
the planes you're on.
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>> Mhm.
00:17:11
>> And it feels like it's all been wrapped
00:17:13
up into one amorphous blob.
00:17:15
>> I agree. I agree. But there are some
00:17:16
very clear lines when I'm talking about
00:17:18
Lutnik. He went out of his way to say
00:17:19
how much he hated the guy and then right
00:17:21
in the emails he did just we trying to
00:17:23
rewrite history.
00:17:24
>> Yes. He's a liar. Listen, that that we
00:17:26
know. Same thing with Musk. He was just
00:17:29
fine. just made. Can't you just say I'm
00:17:31
made? You know who did that? Katie Kirk
00:17:33
went to a dinner at this at Epstein's
00:17:35
house. One of these dinners. He used to
00:17:36
have these like influencer dinners. She
00:17:38
went she said, "I should have done more
00:17:40
research. I apologize. I appre like she
00:17:43
just took she just took responsibility
00:17:45
for her stupid judgment there, right?
00:17:48
And I think that's fine. I don't think
00:17:50
we should like she
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>> but it brings up a point. Should Katie
00:17:53
Kirk do research on every dinner
00:17:54
invitation?"
00:17:55
>> No, not necessarily. But when it when it
00:17:57
was came to pass, what it was very
00:17:59
clear, she apologized. She apologized
00:18:01
and said, "Oh, so dumb." You're not
00:18:02
hearing from Howard Let You're not
00:18:04
hearing from Peter Atia. Like, I'm sure
00:18:05
he's engaged a very expensive crisis
00:18:07
manager uh here. But and then Elon SP,
00:18:10
he is spinning so hard.
00:18:12
>> He's gone on the attack. He's trying to
00:18:14
pretend that he somehow was protected or
00:18:16
like was a just just so offended by
00:18:19
Jeffrey Epson. And can you believe what
00:18:20
Reed Hoffman did mean?
00:18:22
>> Yes. Over. Look over here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:24
I'm glad Reed slapped him back to last
00:18:27
Sunday because he's right, Elon. If you
00:18:29
actually cared about women, you you'd
00:18:31
have helped the victims financially
00:18:32
instead of giving money to Donald Trump.
00:18:34
You'd have gotten your non-consensual
00:18:36
sex off of Grock. But you don't care.
00:18:38
You don't care. You don't care. Like,
00:18:39
you don't have an interest in
00:18:41
>> But again, the really shocking thing to
00:18:43
me is, and I know very powerful and
00:18:46
wealthy people,
00:18:48
just the belief that they can just do
00:18:51
anything,
00:18:51
>> right? and they're going to be immune.
00:18:56
>> They do. They're like that.
00:18:57
>> I have friends who are who are um fairly
00:19:00
famous actors and if they walk into a
00:19:02
scenario with a lot of women or a party
00:19:05
scene, they're like, "I can't be here. I
00:19:07
I I can't be here. I'm I'm not going to
00:19:09
do anything. I'm not even going to flirt
00:19:11
with anybody, but I can't be here
00:19:12
because if it hits the press, it'll
00:19:15
upset my wife. It will create um talking
00:19:19
points that aren't good. They will
00:19:22
insinuate. I mean, I know people who are
00:19:24
so careful and shape their lives
00:19:26
realizing that unfair unfair or not
00:19:29
>> picture a photo of you with
00:19:30
>> and then these guys Jeffrey Epstein.
00:19:33
>> These guys go to an island and start
00:19:35
having sex with underage women and
00:19:37
aren't worried like believe that this
00:19:39
isn't going to come back to haunt them.
00:19:41
>> There's also a lot of people that enable
00:19:43
them. And one person that by the way I
00:19:45
searched you immediately. Um you weren't
00:19:48
>> in what in the Epste.
00:19:51
>> Yeah. No, that's one party I wasn't
00:19:53
invited to.
00:19:54
>> You weren't. Um but uh
00:19:56
>> did you really search for me?
00:19:58
>> I searched everybody.
00:19:59
>> Did you really search for me?
00:20:01
>> I did. I had to. I work with you. I have
00:20:03
to make certain.
00:20:04
>> Okay. All right.
00:20:06
>> Thank God.
00:20:06
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:08
>> Come on. I search I search like 20 names
00:20:11
of people I know.
00:20:11
>> Season two. Gay hockey with the dog.
00:20:14
Frosty, that's what you got to worry
00:20:15
about. I'm going to be an extra. My next
00:20:18
career fluffer for gay for gay badmitten
00:20:22
the new original series on HBO.
00:20:24
>> I welcome any joyful sense of consensual
00:20:26
sexual expression you want to have with
00:20:27
Scott Galloway's god. At this point, at
00:20:30
this point when I orgasm, it's just miss
00:20:32
coming out. There's just literally it's
00:20:35
got to be a Pam Greer film. a cattle
00:20:37
fraud up my ass and literally
00:20:39
>> the cattle fraud in the
00:20:40
>> like a seial shake and I got to snort
00:20:42
Viagra
00:20:43
>> I'm gonna mention one
00:20:44
>> and watch Jackie Brown and then it's go
00:20:46
time. say the people that are worse are
00:20:49
not even worse, they're just as bad or
00:20:51
some of these enablers and I will name
00:20:53
them. John Brockman is throughout it and
00:20:55
I urge you to look up. He was a guy who
00:20:57
was involved with all these
00:20:58
intellectuals who were who Epstein was
00:21:01
funding. He ran a billionaire's dinner
00:21:03
at TED I have attended that uh he
00:21:06
obviously the facilitators these kind of
00:21:08
people uh have to be looked at too. the
00:21:11
way they they sort of facilitated what
00:21:13
you're talking about, which is this very
00:21:14
easy peasy let's get together and talk
00:21:17
intellectual stuff which they loved. Let
00:21:19
me tell you, the reason you're seeing a
00:21:20
lot of tech people in this group and you
00:21:22
are is because they desperately sought
00:21:24
out um validation through intellectual
00:21:28
discourse. They used to love having
00:21:30
these events whether whatever they
00:21:32
happen to be. And thank God, you know,
00:21:35
one thing I did have our our staff for
00:21:37
our code conference look every him up.
00:21:39
He was on the wait list of D5, the one
00:21:42
with Gates and Jobs, and we didn't let
00:21:44
him in. I I remember not particularly
00:21:47
not letting him in, but he did somehow
00:21:49
show up and talk to Tim Cook on the
00:21:51
sidelines of one of my conference, which
00:21:52
I wasn't aware of. It was in the files,
00:21:54
too. But he was
00:21:56
>> My view is you go my view is you go much
00:21:59
harder on the people who are criminals.
00:22:01
>> Yes. And quite frankly, you go much
00:22:03
lighter on the people who
00:22:06
look you get invited by a billionaire to
00:22:08
go party on an island. If you see crime,
00:22:10
you'll leave. But I don't I think a lot
00:22:13
of people for a lot of different re this
00:22:15
guy had a big sphere around technology.
00:22:17
>> He was he was like an octopus in terms
00:22:19
of trying to meet people and a lot of
00:22:21
people facilitated that for him. Um
00:22:23
>> so but there needs to be more prison and
00:22:26
more judgment around who was in the
00:22:28
wrong place at the wrong time.
00:22:29
>> Yes, I agree. But there's a lot of
00:22:31
people who knew exactly what they were
00:22:32
doing. So I think there there's a
00:22:34
there's there's it's a stack ranking of
00:22:36
what people were doing in some cases
00:22:38
>> and people like Peter AI and others
00:22:40
really deserve some you can censure him
00:22:42
or not, but I think he's grotesque.
00:22:44
Anyway, uh let's go on a quick break.
00:22:46
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Scott, we're back. President Trump has
00:23:54
made his pick for Fed chair. I predicted
00:23:55
it would mean most handsome of the white
00:23:57
guys, and I was right. The best chair.
00:24:00
Trump nominated uh former governor Kevin
00:24:02
Walsh on Friday calling him central
00:24:04
casting and says he'll go down as one of
00:24:06
the great Fed chairman may be the best.
00:24:08
Of course, he did say that about Jerome
00:24:10
Powell, although when he picked him,
00:24:12
Trump also joked during his speech this
00:24:14
weekend that he would sue War if
00:24:16
interest rates didn't get lower. Morris
00:24:17
is set to take the reigns from Jerome
00:24:19
Powell in May, but he needs to get
00:24:21
through the Senate confirmation process
00:24:22
first, which might be hard because uh uh
00:24:25
Republican Senator Tom Tillis, who's
00:24:27
suddenly found his balls, is already
00:24:28
saying he's a no until the DOJ probe
00:24:30
into Powell is resolved. Good for him.
00:24:33
Tillis is really on fire. He's going to
00:24:35
use up all his troublemak before he
00:24:38
leaves. He was sort of shoved to the
00:24:40
side by Trump uh by threats from Trump,
00:24:42
but now he's but he's still in power, so
00:24:44
he can do something about it. So, talk
00:24:46
about this pick. Um, Worsh very briefly
00:24:49
popped up in the Epstein file that we
00:24:50
were missing on saying he was on a guest
00:24:52
list. St. Bart's Christmas 2010. Again,
00:24:54
what you were talking about, I get it. I
00:24:56
get it. In that case, that's it. So, uh,
00:24:59
I don't think that should necessarily be
00:25:01
it shouldn't be a factor unless more
00:25:02
stuff is found out. But,
00:25:04
>> uh, talk about this this pick. What do
00:25:06
you think about Warf?
00:25:09
I think it's I to be blind I think it's
00:25:11
a great pick given the context of who he
00:25:14
could have selected.
00:25:15
>> Right. That's true. Could have been Don
00:25:17
Jr.
00:25:19
>> Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he
00:25:20
picked uh um you know Lara Trump. I I
00:25:25
>> he does my to give credit where it's
00:25:28
due. I think around these these big
00:25:30
financial appointments I think he shows
00:25:32
greater judgment around these
00:25:34
appointments than he does around others.
00:25:36
But essentially this guy, he's he's very
00:25:39
qualified. Uh he's been described as a
00:25:41
hawk. The fear around this appointment
00:25:44
was that it was someone who would be
00:25:45
subject to the political pressures of
00:25:47
the presidency would immediately start
00:25:49
cutting interest rates and begin
00:25:52
an upward spiral of inflation. And that
00:25:54
fear was sending metals to record highs.
00:25:57
Silver and gold have exploded. And the
00:26:00
best indication that the market likes
00:26:02
this pick is that when the pick was
00:26:04
announced, metals crashed or they pulled
00:26:07
back. This guy's known as a hawk. He
00:26:09
served as liaison between uh Bernani and
00:26:12
the Wall Street community during the '08
00:26:15
crisis which most people think was
00:26:16
handled really well. I like the fact he
00:26:19
has a reputation as a hawk. I love the
00:26:20
fact that these appointments I believe
00:26:22
>> Explain what a hawk is. He's got he's he
00:26:24
>> well someone who's more worried about
00:26:26
inflation than lower growth. someone who
00:26:29
will keep interest rates high longer
00:26:32
than maybe they should. They air on the
00:26:34
side of lower growth but less risk of
00:26:36
inflation. And everyone is really
00:26:39
worried that Trump is putting pressure
00:26:41
and would rather
00:26:42
>> think resist the pressure. He's he saw
00:26:45
what's happened with Powell.
00:26:46
>> That's what's great about these
00:26:48
appointments is that they're they're
00:26:50
14year tenures.
00:26:51
>> I I get that. But like he could be
00:26:53
undergo what Powell's been undergone,
00:26:55
fake criminal probes, etc. As far as I
00:26:58
know, pal serving out his term and
00:26:59
hasn't bent an inch,
00:27:01
>> right?
00:27:01
>> I mean, and that's why it speaks to the
00:27:03
importance of the independence of the
00:27:04
Fed, but
00:27:04
>> well, you wonder what this guy said to
00:27:06
Trump, right? And why did he say he's
00:27:08
going to sue him? You know, that's all
00:27:10
weird. I find it weird.
00:27:11
>> There's something about the power and
00:27:13
we've seen this on the Supreme Court. A
00:27:15
lot of people show up with a history or
00:27:18
say one thing to the Senate and then
00:27:19
they get on the Supreme Court and they
00:27:21
take advantage of their lifetime
00:27:22
appointment and they behave differently.
00:27:25
>> Yeah. Uh, so
00:27:26
>> not in a good way.
00:27:27
>> Well, actually some of the older
00:27:29
appointees
00:27:31
>> became in from our viewpoint much more
00:27:34
progressive.
00:27:35
>> Well, look at Earl Warren. Remember I
00:27:37
mean
00:27:37
>> I mean they really did over time.
00:27:40
Think about what an incredible
00:27:43
luxury it is to just focus on to be
00:27:47
granted the tenure and this is this is
00:27:50
the basis of tenure in colleges
00:27:52
>> to just try and pursue the truth and and
00:27:55
to screen out as many external forces as
00:27:57
possible.
00:27:58
>> That is a luxury and it's reserved for
00:28:00
what people think is the most important
00:28:02
>> positions in the world including what
00:28:04
may be the most important position in
00:28:05
the world and that is the chairman of
00:28:07
the Federal Reserve. So I was actually
00:28:09
quite relieved when I saw this. I have a
00:28:11
bias. I like Morgan Stanley. Anyone who
00:28:12
ran M&A Morgan Stanley has a pretty
00:28:14
serious
00:28:15
>> Well, he's a serious candidate, right?
00:28:18
Cassid had been like genulecting. He had
00:28:21
knee pads on at one point, although he
00:28:23
was very considered a very prominent.
00:28:24
>> I was worried it was going to be the My
00:28:26
Pillow guy. I just wouldn't put anything
00:28:28
past this president right now. This is,
00:28:30
I think, a good pick. The markets like
00:28:33
it. He's an adult. He has a command of
00:28:36
the the markets. He has a really good
00:28:38
relationship with Wall Street and I just
00:28:40
hope that he shows
00:28:41
>> I suspect they'll drop the Powell the
00:28:43
Pow Powell pro to get him through.
00:28:46
>> Well, here's the thing. Pal's going to
00:28:47
still be on the board of governors.
00:28:49
>> Yeah. Well, that's what they're trying
00:28:50
to do.
00:28:50
>> I don't I don't care who the chairman
00:28:52
is.
00:28:52
>> I don't care who the chairman is. The
00:28:54
biggest voice in the room is still going
00:28:55
to be Pal's.
00:28:56
>> Yep. Yep. Yep. We'll see. Anyway, good
00:28:57
hair, Kevin. And I picked I knew the
00:28:59
handsome man would win. Also, besides
00:29:01
the handsome man, I was right about Elon
00:29:05
planning to merge SpaceX and X AI.
00:29:09
That's is precisely what happened. The
00:29:10
acquisition will give the combined
00:29:12
company a valuation of 1.25 trillion.
00:29:16
Flimflamory works for Elon Musk.
00:29:18
Investors have also been pushing the
00:29:20
idea of bringing Tesla into this. Um,
00:29:23
obviously he had already merged Twitter
00:29:26
or X the service into XAI sort of to
00:29:29
hide it away in there. all their losses.
00:29:31
So now it's Twitter, SpaceX, and XAI.
00:29:33
And you can just imagine Tesla being
00:29:35
next. In in the scenario, XAI shares
00:29:38
would be swapped for SpaceX shares. Um,
00:29:40
just for people who don't know, SpaceX
00:29:42
is weighing a June IPO listing, could
00:29:44
seek to raise as much as $50 billion,
00:29:47
making it the biggest IPO of all time.
00:29:49
Um, and again, if that sounds a little
00:29:51
familiar, guess what? Cara Swisser
00:29:53
predicted it last April, cuz I know how
00:29:56
this guy thinks.
00:29:57
>> I've been doing research. She blew my
00:29:59
mind with the notion of a combined Tesla
00:30:02
XAI
00:30:03
>> and SpaceX,
00:30:05
you know, and I'm I'm just like that is
00:30:07
totally blown my mind about
00:30:09
>> good. As long as you attribute it to me,
00:30:12
just attribute it.
00:30:13
>> I I I do. But that the idea of him
00:30:15
merging all of those companies, like I
00:30:18
can't wrap my head around what that
00:30:19
would mean.
00:30:19
>> He's got to he's got it's the only move.
00:30:22
So, let's talk about that. I the reason
00:30:23
I thought about that was because he's an
00:30:25
internal flimflam man and he needed a
00:30:27
new narrative and this works out for
00:30:29
behind when he did the first Twitter XAI
00:30:31
merger. He just got rid of the problem
00:30:33
of everyone talking about what a shitty
00:30:34
business it was. Tesla's obviously
00:30:37
troubled. XAI is being upheld by the
00:30:40
valuations of of AI companies and SpaceX
00:30:43
is a is a real winner. So what do you
00:30:46
and and and you could make an argument
00:30:48
that they all fit together, right? Sure,
00:30:50
why not? like data things moving blah um
00:30:55
and he'll do it. So what do you what do
00:30:56
you think
00:30:57
>> after the disaster at Chernobyl uh where
00:31:00
radiation leaked for I guess hundreds or
00:31:02
thousands of square miles there's a lot
00:31:04
of farmland and a lot of a lot of
00:31:06
livestock and what they found was okay a
00:31:10
lot of the the beef and lamb and chicken
00:31:14
had traces of radiation from the
00:31:16
radiation leak at Chernobyl and the
00:31:18
Russian officials decided okay we're not
00:31:21
going to throw away this meat we're just
00:31:23
going to parse it out and send small
00:31:25
amounts ounce mixed in with non-radiated
00:31:27
meat to different to different grocery
00:31:29
stores because a little bit of radiation
00:31:31
as long as we mix it with non-raactive
00:31:33
meat is okay.
00:31:35
>> This is Musk basically taking his
00:31:36
radioactive meat and that is Tesla which
00:31:39
isn't 10x the value of what it should be
00:31:42
trading at. X AI which is sort of
00:31:45
working isn't and then wrapping it in
00:31:47
the non-raactive meat which is SpaceX
00:31:50
which in my opinion is one of the most
00:31:52
impressive companies with the greatest
00:31:53
differentiation in history right now 90%
00:31:56
of launch capability 2/3 of low earth
00:31:59
satellites and he's basically going to
00:32:02
take all of it and say okay autonomous
00:32:04
AI space launch capability
00:32:07
>> yeah moving
00:32:08
>> and take it all into one giant one giant
00:32:12
Musk AI I innovation
00:32:15
robots
00:32:16
>> that will get robots that will say this
00:32:19
is you have to own this company because
00:32:21
when you look at the
00:32:22
>> boop that's right when you look at Tesla
00:32:25
it's like okay it's an automobile
00:32:27
company that should be trading at 30
00:32:29
bucks a share not 400 or whatever it's
00:32:31
at when you look at XAI all right it's a
00:32:34
distance 7th LLM when you look at robots
00:32:38
those make no [ __ ] sense but if you
00:32:40
wrap all of that AI autonomous stew. Oh,
00:32:43
and Twitter, you know, a platform that's
00:32:45
probably worth 10 billion, not what he
00:32:47
paid.
00:32:48
>> Wrap it all into a communications
00:32:50
satellite, space launch, AI, automated
00:32:53
driving, and it's the kind of stock that
00:32:55
everyone has to own. So, this is an
00:32:58
attempt to create, you know, individual
00:33:01
ingredients, which some of which are
00:33:02
amazing and some of which have real
00:33:05
problems, and put it all into one stew.
00:33:07
I think it's a smart move, quite
00:33:08
frankly.
00:33:08
>> Sure. Duck. That's why I thought I think
00:33:10
like a a really a [ __ ] up flame plan
00:33:12
man. That's how I think, right? That's I
00:33:15
was like, "What?" I sit there and I go,
00:33:16
"What will he do?" Oh, that's how I
00:33:18
thought of That's exactly
00:33:19
>> Let's go brainstorm about it on an
00:33:21
island.
00:33:22
>> On an island.
00:33:24
>> I got this guy's really smart.
00:33:26
>> I was not on the island. I did not.
00:33:27
>> And he puts together these amazing
00:33:30
parties with like thought leaders. And
00:33:32
and by the way, I am so shocked I am not
00:33:35
on that list because the only reason I
00:33:36
get invited to Davos, I get invited to a
00:33:38
place like that. We're called I refer to
00:33:39
us. I say to I saw Jonathan height and I
00:33:41
saw Adam Grant at Davos. I'm like, "Do
00:33:43
you realize what we are?" And they're
00:33:43
like, "What?" I'm like, "We're
00:33:44
intellectual support animals. We're here
00:33:46
to make people feel
00:33:47
>> dancing [ __ ] dogs."
00:33:48
>> Yeah. We're [ __ ] poodles. We're Fifi
00:33:51
the We're like dance for dinner. We have
00:33:53
Seo Black Rockck and Chairman of
00:33:55
Finland. Now, now tell us something
00:33:57
about young men. Can I tell you so many
00:33:59
powerful people texted me like Scott's
00:34:01
so amusing?
00:34:03
>> Amusing. That's the word I guess.
00:34:05
>> You know what I mean? Like he's so
00:34:06
interesting. I was like, "Oh my god,
00:34:07
he's totally your dancing monkey."
00:34:09
>> Yeah. That was my moment at Davos. I sit
00:34:11
next to a woman I have never met before.
00:34:13
>> Yeah.
00:34:13
>> And all of a sudden she starts going,
00:34:15
"Caris texting me and says, "I'm next to
00:34:17
you." And I'm like, "How the [ __ ] does
00:34:19
she know I'm here?"
00:34:22
>> Rich people.
00:34:22
>> You're like the East Germany. You know
00:34:25
every move.
00:34:26
Well, because they call, they text.
00:34:28
>> Who what's her name? She was lovely.
00:34:29
>> Dina Powell.
00:34:30
>> That's probably sexist. I wouldn't say
00:34:32
that about a man.
00:34:33
>> She's lovely. She is lovely.
00:34:34
>> She's new president of Meta, just so you
00:34:36
know.
00:34:37
>> No. So, she started telling me what she
00:34:38
was doing and she was very measured. I'm
00:34:39
like, why are you choosing your words so
00:34:41
carefully? And then about five minutes
00:34:42
later, I'm like, "Oh, you're a shill for
00:34:43
Meta."
00:34:44
>> Oh, she's not a shill. We'll see.
00:34:46
>> She's trying to organize the bailout.
00:34:48
She's going to organize the bailout.
00:34:50
>> Like anybody anybody who can get him
00:34:52
away from like
00:34:53
>> She's married to a senator. Talk about a
00:34:55
power couple.
00:34:56
>> David. Yeah, David. Yeah.
00:34:57
>> Thank God.
00:34:58
>> Yeah. He's McCormack. He was with Ray
00:35:00
Dallio, right? He was with Ray Dallio.
00:35:02
That's his Yeah.
00:35:04
>> Yeah. I think that's who he was with.
00:35:05
>> I can't believe you searched for me in
00:35:07
the files.
00:35:08
>> Why wouldn't I? Are you kidding? That
00:35:10
was numero in the files.
00:35:12
>> Uno. You Oh, come on. Whatever. In any
00:35:15
case,
00:35:15
>> I pay for my stuff.
00:35:16
>> We know why he's doing it. All right,
00:35:17
we're going to take I had to, you know,
00:35:21
>> trust but verify. Uh, Scott, let's go on
00:35:24
a quick break. When we come back, tons
00:35:25
of AI news.
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Scott, we're back now onto some rapid
00:36:41
fire news, AI news, because there's so
00:36:43
much. Let me go through them. Amazon is
00:36:45
reportedly discussing investment up to
00:36:47
$50 billion in open AI. Meanwhile,
00:36:49
Nvidia CEO Jensen Hong is pushing back
00:36:51
on reports that his company is looking
00:36:53
to scale back on its investment in Open
00:36:55
AI. And that was in the Wall Street
00:36:56
Journal. I thought it was an excellent
00:36:57
article. This all comes as Open AI is
00:37:00
seeking to raise over a hundred billion
00:37:01
dollars. It prepares for a public
00:37:02
listing in the fourth quarter. It's
00:37:03
trying to beat Anthropic to that punch.
00:37:06
Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon
00:37:08
over whether its AI would be used for
00:37:10
surveillance and autonomous lethal
00:37:12
operations putting $200 million contract
00:37:14
at risk. Um, your choice Scott any of
00:37:17
the above.
00:37:18
>> I think the most fragile company with
00:37:20
respect to its valuation right now maybe
00:37:23
with the exception of Palunteer
00:37:25
is probably open AI. I think OpenAI is
00:37:28
racing to establish a leadership
00:37:30
position.
00:37:32
Uh but if you look at the fact it
00:37:34
doesn't have the fire hose of billions
00:37:36
of people built in that that Alphabet
00:37:38
has
00:37:40
uh I don't think and you look at they're
00:37:42
getting I think they're getting attacked
00:37:43
from the top and that is Alphabet and
00:37:46
Gemini which has doubled its share I
00:37:48
think in the last 18 months
00:37:50
>> which was inevitable right inevitable
00:37:52
>> but if you have a billion people or two
00:37:54
billion people a day coming to your
00:37:56
interface and you start introducing AI
00:37:58
>> that's just very powerful and then you
00:38:00
have micros it has a Netscape feel to
00:38:02
it.
00:38:03
>> And then you have um Microsoft which has
00:38:06
a recurring revenue relationship with
00:38:08
99.9% of the corporations above a
00:38:10
million dollars in revenue. They can
00:38:13
introduce really seamlessly different
00:38:14
things and then you have uh an adjacent
00:38:18
competitor and that is anthropic which
00:38:21
has gone after the enterprise market. So
00:38:24
to I think I've told you this and it's
00:38:26
the weakest flex in the world. I was on
00:38:28
the board of Gateway Computer and about
00:38:30
25 years ago if you asked analysts who
00:38:33
had better prospects, Gateway or Dell,
00:38:35
it was split and Gateway was at 70 bucks
00:38:38
a share anyways 15 years later was at.7
00:38:41
cents a share because they went consumer
00:38:43
and Dell went small and medium-sized
00:38:44
business and we know how the story ends.
00:38:46
The story may be unfolding the same way
00:38:48
and that is OpenAI has a consumer
00:38:51
offering but less than 5% of the people
00:38:53
actually go to the paid offering and
00:38:55
Anthropic has gone after the enterprise
00:38:57
market and quite frankly looks to be
00:38:59
beating Anthropic in the enterprise
00:39:00
market
00:39:00
>> but but it is fighting with the
00:39:01
Pentagon. It's interesting because he's
00:39:02
becoming the most interesting character
00:39:04
Daario Amodi in terms of talking about
00:39:06
safety. He's sort of everyone sort of
00:39:09
attacked him for that, especially that
00:39:10
dope David Sachs. But I think actually
00:39:13
he's he's opening a lane as the safe AI
00:39:16
company, right?
00:39:16
>> Well, that used to be Alman's lane,
00:39:18
>> right? Exactly. But now he's got it
00:39:20
right. He's opening a lane where
00:39:22
everyone's like, "All right,
00:39:23
>> agreed. They're the they're the clean,
00:39:25
well-lit corner of the AI bookstore
00:39:28
right now is
00:39:29
>> anthropic." And also going after
00:39:30
enterprise looks to be the smartest
00:39:32
thing. Enterprise wants that enterprise,
00:39:34
you know, why be in the surveillance and
00:39:36
autonomous lethal operations business if
00:39:38
you can do just as fine selling.
00:39:40
>> Yeah. Just get your media buyers at
00:39:42
L'Oreal to be more productive. So my
00:39:44
friend Greg Schau is the CEO of section
00:39:47
which helps enterprises upscale for AI
00:39:49
had he said something that just struck
00:39:51
me. He said open AI has basically 12
00:39:53
months to get massive consumer adoption
00:39:57
because or enter or or start which he
00:40:00
doesn't think it's going to do because
00:40:01
people like there's too many free LLMs
00:40:04
>> or they're going to have to come up with
00:40:05
incredible enterprise adoption or
00:40:08
there's absolutely no way they can
00:40:10
justify this this consensual
00:40:11
hallucination that they're going to go
00:40:13
public at one or one half trillion
00:40:14
dollars.
00:40:15
>> Isn't there a desperation for such
00:40:17
stocks? Do you think you'll have a situ,
00:40:18
you know, with Elon merges all these
00:40:20
things, everyone's going to buy it. Will
00:40:22
everyone not buy this?
00:40:26
>> The only thing is
00:40:28
>> would you Scott Galloway want, of
00:40:30
course, you just got rid of GPT, so
00:40:32
you're not allowed to cuz they want you
00:40:34
to virtue signal the right way.
00:40:35
>> Yeah, but you forget I'm a [ __ ] Once
00:40:37
March 1 comes along, it's back to big
00:40:38
daddy warbuck [ __ ]
00:40:40
>> No,
00:40:41
>> but this is what this is the existential
00:40:44
risk to open AI right now. They want to
00:40:46
be the leader. I think Sam Alman maybe
00:40:48
correctly has said there's there can
00:40:50
only be one in the world of AI, but he's
00:40:52
getting attacked from above and that is
00:40:54
big big industrial strength
00:40:56
conglomerates in tech that have a
00:40:58
built-in multi-billion dollar consumer
00:41:00
base that they can they can point that
00:41:02
fire hose of people at their AI
00:41:04
offering. They're getting attack from
00:41:06
below and that is Chinese openweight
00:41:08
models which are free which by the way
00:41:11
are technically pretty close.
00:41:13
>> Yeah. So the fear is the following or
00:41:15
the bullc case is that this company is
00:41:17
an incredible product. It's growing like
00:41:20
crazy. It's doing all these big
00:41:22
visionary deals. It is an amazing
00:41:24
product. I was using it every day and
00:41:27
everybody feels like they've got to go
00:41:29
in on the market leader in AI which
00:41:31
Alman has done a good job of associating
00:41:34
brand leadership with OpenAI and Chat
00:41:36
GPT. The risk is that before they go
00:41:40
public in the disclosure documents that
00:41:42
the SEC mandates, it's going to be clear
00:41:45
that everybody else is starting to eat
00:41:48
their lunch,
00:41:49
>> right? That Gemini continues Gemini
00:41:52
>> Gemini continues to gain market share
00:41:54
that there's an entire market of people
00:41:56
that go for the open weight free models,
00:41:58
right?
00:41:58
>> And people say, "Okay, this is a great
00:42:00
little company, but it should be
00:42:01
acquired by somebody not worth a
00:42:03
trillion half dollars as a standalone
00:42:05
company."
00:42:05
from your perspective.
00:42:08
>> Yeah. Right. Unfortunately that the
00:42:10
other day
00:42:11
>> unfortunately it'd have to be written
00:42:12
down
00:42:14
>> a lot and then there'd be all sorts of
00:42:15
antitrust arguments. Yeah.
00:42:17
>> But he has and he knows it too. He's
00:42:20
doing big deals. He's spending a ton of
00:42:22
money. He's trying to get the best
00:42:23
talent because there's a general belief
00:42:25
here that there's the gold medal that
00:42:28
this literally is when we call this
00:42:30
Hunger Games economy. The Hunger Games
00:42:32
is the right analogy and that is whoever
00:42:33
wins here gets all sorts of parades and
00:42:36
gets to live a wonderful life and
00:42:38
whoever doesn't win is going to die a
00:42:40
slow death and that's the approach he's
00:42:42
taking.
00:42:43
>> You're right. I think you're right here.
00:42:44
Absolutely. We'll see what happens. Um
00:42:46
he they are headed for the IPO though.
00:42:48
Um Trump and his family this story we
00:42:50
have we cannot stress this story of
00:42:53
corruption and the Trump family enough.
00:42:55
He has now pulled in $4 billion linked
00:42:58
to his presidency. Much of that comes
00:42:59
from crypto and foreign deals that
00:43:01
leverage his presidential status. Last
00:43:03
year, an investment firm with ties to
00:43:04
the UAE bought nearly half of the Trump
00:43:07
family's crypto company, making the two
00:43:10
business partners. Eric Trump signed the
00:43:12
agreement with the firm for $500 million
00:43:14
investment days before uh Trump's
00:43:16
January 2025 inauguration. We did a chip
00:43:19
deal with them. He he recently said he
00:43:22
he found out nobody cared about his
00:43:24
international business activity while in
00:43:26
office. You know what? We do care. you
00:43:28
you know this is a guy as I say
00:43:30
accusation is a confession who went on
00:43:32
and on about Hunter Hunter Biden didn't
00:43:34
have enough imagination as doing corrupt
00:43:37
things and didn't have much pull. This
00:43:39
is a a fullscale
00:43:42
corrupt regime that is using their
00:43:44
status to to to feather their nest. It's
00:43:48
also bad for national security. All all
00:43:50
manner of things is hurtful to the
00:43:53
United States. uh you know he does it
00:43:55
all the time whether he's suing the IRS
00:43:57
for 10 billion or closing the Kennedy
00:43:59
Center because he ran that into the
00:44:01
ground but this is really you know he
00:44:03
does that's all h you know jazz hands
00:44:06
compared to what's happening here
00:44:07
thoughts
00:44:09
>> yeah the Republicans thought it was an
00:44:11
impeachable offense or required a
00:44:13
special counsel because uh President
00:44:16
Biden implicitly or explicitly used his
00:44:19
influence such that his son Hunter Biden
00:44:22
could get on the board of a Ukrainian an
00:44:23
energy company and made about 400 or 600
00:44:25
grand. There is no reason why Hunter
00:44:27
Biden should be on the board of any
00:44:28
company other than his proximity to the
00:44:30
president, even if he
00:44:32
>> leveraged that contact or didn't. And
00:44:34
there's no evidence he did. But
00:44:35
everyone's hair was on fire. And now we
00:44:37
have an individual who is raking in
00:44:40
billions. And it's not only him,
00:44:43
Witoff's kids.
00:44:45
and Wickoff was investing
00:44:48
getting people the UAE to invest in a a
00:44:51
a crypto company that is kids control.
00:44:54
And then what do you know a few weeks
00:44:56
later the sale of our most sensitive
00:44:59
chips that are security concern for fear
00:45:01
that the UAE who has a strong
00:45:02
relationship with China begins to leak
00:45:04
that sensitive information that powers
00:45:06
nuclear guidance systems, powers
00:45:08
submarines.
00:45:09
I mean the level I got to give it to
00:45:12
them. No, here's the problem. In
00:45:15
America, if you run a stop sign, you get
00:45:17
shamed.
00:45:19
If you if you start killing hundreds of
00:45:21
people, there's some sort of weird
00:45:24
leadership quality around it. It's it's
00:45:26
like don't commit a for God's sakes,
00:45:28
don't commit a misdemeanor,
00:45:31
>> commit, you know, commit mass murder and
00:45:34
be unashamed about it and then the next
00:45:36
day commit another crime where it all
00:45:37
gets lost in the noise.
00:45:39
>> Well, that's what he said. found out
00:45:40
nobody cared, especially
00:45:41
internationally. But, you know, and then
00:45:43
killing all those people through USAD,
00:45:45
the millions of people who will die. I
00:45:47
mean, the kind of damage and and and
00:45:50
feathering, nest feathering is really
00:45:52
quite astonishing. And that leaves out
00:45:54
all the pardons he gives to people who
00:45:56
are who who knows. I mean,
00:45:58
>> I sat next to one of those guys
00:46:00
>> gives him three million bucks. I've said
00:46:01
this before, car if if Louis or Alex or
00:46:05
Alec or Nolan are four sons, I'll I'll
00:46:07
do I'll go with the older ones. If one
00:46:10
of them [ __ ] up and ended up in
00:46:11
prison, I'm a 100% confident that with a
00:46:16
million to three million bucks, we could
00:46:18
get him out of prison.
00:46:19
>> Yeah.
00:46:20
>> Find find an indirect route into a
00:46:22
meeting with one of Trump and his
00:46:23
acolytes and say, "I'm about to buy 1
00:46:25
to3 million in Trumpcoin or I'm about to
00:46:28
give you a $2 million gift for the new
00:46:31
east swing." And I think within 3 to six
00:46:32
months they're out.
00:46:34
>> Yeah.
00:46:34
>> That's where we are.
00:46:36
>> And here's the thing. It creates you're
00:46:38
going to have more Epstein islands.
00:46:39
Yeah.
00:46:40
>> You're going to have fewer small
00:46:41
businesses that feel start because
00:46:43
they're worried about the rule of law.
00:46:45
You know, the rich are protected by the
00:46:47
law but not bound by it. All the rest of
00:46:49
us are bound by the law but not
00:46:50
protected by it.
00:46:51
>> And in addition, foreign companies
00:46:53
aren't going to want to invest in
00:46:54
American companies for fear that the
00:46:55
rule of law
00:46:57
>> is not going to apply to American
00:46:58
investment.
00:46:59
>> He is it's all going to be for the
00:47:00
Trump's benefit but not for the United
00:47:02
States of America. That's really you
00:47:04
have to understand this everybody. This
00:47:06
is this is the actual game besides all
00:47:08
the everything else. This is the actual
00:47:11
game. Anyway, one more quick break.
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00:48:21
>> Okay, Scott. Wins and fails. You want me
00:48:23
to go first?
00:48:24
>> You go first. Well, I was going to do
00:48:25
the Kennedy Center, but I don't really
00:48:27
like the Kennedy Center. I never did.
00:48:28
But he's he's going to close it and fix
00:48:30
it after he ran it into the ground with
00:48:32
his stupid minion, Rick Canrell. Nobody
00:48:36
wanted to go there. Um, you know,
00:48:38
whatever. He just he's failed the
00:48:39
business and so he's closing it down.
00:48:41
It's like Trump's stake or something. I
00:48:43
don't know if he can close it down.
00:48:44
We'll see. But, um, just gross. That's
00:48:47
it's a gross sidlight. The many things
00:48:49
he's done. Um, and uh, we'll see. We'll
00:48:52
see what happens there. But actually,
00:48:54
you know, I would get more serious.
00:48:55
Congresswoman uh Kelly Morrison of
00:48:58
Minnesota posted the following uh on
00:49:00
Blue Sky. My office has been flooded
00:49:02
with reports of cruel, unsafe, unlawful
00:49:04
conditions inside the Whipple detention
00:49:06
facility in Minneapolis. This weekend, I
00:49:08
was finally granted access to perform
00:49:09
oversight. And when she went in, it's
00:49:11
grotesque. I mean, it's absolutely
00:49:14
grotesque of how they're they're not
00:49:15
just abusing these populations and
00:49:17
they're about to go do that in Ohio, but
00:49:19
they are um they're they're abusing them
00:49:22
once they get in there to in order to
00:49:24
get them to self-epport. Um the cruelty
00:49:28
these, let me just tell you, all you
00:49:30
people, people will you will you will be
00:49:33
judged someday. Maybe not today, but
00:49:35
someday you will this will all come out.
00:49:38
And what you've done here is so heinous.
00:49:41
uh to young people. The young the young
00:49:44
kid with that adorable hat did get out
00:49:46
uh finally, but it was only under
00:49:48
pressure to get him out um who was taken
00:49:50
in Minnesota and brought I think to
00:49:52
Texas. Um but there's he's just one kid
00:49:55
and the only reason he got out is so
00:49:56
much of the attention because of that
00:49:58
photograph. But there's other kids
00:49:59
sitting there, thousands and thousands
00:50:01
of children. And uh what you have done
00:50:04
is so shameful um and so horrible. And I
00:50:08
just hope there's more photographs and
00:50:09
more for people to understand the level
00:50:11
of depravity um and what they're doing
00:50:14
to those people um who are here, most of
00:50:17
whom are here, worked hard, have
00:50:19
contributed to our country um and uh
00:50:22
it's just it makes me sick to my
00:50:24
stomach. Um for a positive thing, uh I
00:50:27
really enjoyed the Grammys. I did. I
00:50:28
watched them last night. I thought they
00:50:29
were
00:50:30
>> Oh, did you enjoy it?
00:50:31
>> Yeah, I did. It was fun. Although
00:50:32
President Trump was threatening to sue
00:50:33
Trevor Noah over his Epstein joke uh at
00:50:36
the Grammys, I thought he was great.
00:50:38
Trevor Noah was great. I found it very
00:50:40
entertaining. I thought the performances
00:50:41
were terrific. I thought Justin Bieber
00:50:43
was did a great I mean he was sort of
00:50:45
naked. He was he looks good. Um he was
00:50:47
wearing silk boxers only and I thought
00:50:49
that was quite beautiful. I thought Lady
00:50:51
Gaga was amazing. Reba McIntyre
00:50:53
performed and I love Reeba McIntyre. So
00:50:55
I liked it. It felt really good and it
00:50:58
wasn't virtue signaly the way the Oscars
00:51:00
can be. I found the speeches very
00:51:02
heartfelt and um simple. They kept it
00:51:05
simple. They a lot of god loving too by
00:51:07
the way. U but I liked it. I really
00:51:09
enjoyed it. I thought it was great.
00:51:11
>> I stopped caring about the Grammys when
00:51:12
Michael Sty stopped singing and opened a
00:51:15
health food store in Athens, Georgia.
00:51:17
Rick Oasich died and George Michael
00:51:20
died. I have no interest in and Tom
00:51:22
Petty died from an opioid overdose.
00:51:23
Music is dead to me.
00:51:25
>> Sabrina Carpenter didn't get anything
00:51:26
but and I thought she was delightful
00:51:28
also by the way. Anyway, go ahead.
00:51:31
>> Well, uh, I'll start with my loss or
00:51:34
fail. I interviewed Neil Ferguson, who I
00:51:37
really like and is a friend, but he has
00:51:40
a narrative which I disagree with, and
00:51:41
it's a narrative that's been adopted by
00:51:42
the Trump administration.
00:51:44
And also, and I would argue it's just
00:51:46
paring a Russian talking point, and that
00:51:48
is this this notion that this war is
00:51:51
unsustainable for Ukraine. It's
00:51:53
unwininnable, and they should strike the
00:51:54
best deal they can right now. And that
00:51:56
is the same narrative that was
00:51:58
expectated and vomited all over the
00:52:01
media three years ago. And guess what?
00:52:02
Since then, in the last two years,
00:52:04
Russia has only increased their
00:52:07
occupancy or their acquisition of land
00:52:10
by 1%. A snail could literally, and this
00:52:12
is true, move faster than the Russian
00:52:15
army. And if you want to talk about
00:52:16
unsustainable for somebody, this is
00:52:18
unsustainable for Russia. And there are
00:52:20
days where they are losing a thousand
00:52:22
men a day. their wartime economy is
00:52:25
running out of money. So, this war is
00:52:28
unsustainable, but it's unsustainable
00:52:29
for Russia. And this narrative that
00:52:31
somehow that Ukraine has been backed
00:52:33
into a corner and needs to come up or
00:52:35
swallow hard and accept a peace deal
00:52:37
that is just scheduling the next war,
00:52:39
not preventing it, is [ __ ] This war
00:52:42
is unsustainable, but it's unsustainable
00:52:44
for Russia as long as the West continues
00:52:46
to support push back on a murderous
00:52:48
autocrat. And it really bothers me this
00:52:51
narrative of well Ukraine should just
00:52:54
take the deal they can right now because
00:52:55
this war is unsustainable. [ __ ]
00:52:57
They have been kicking Russia in the
00:52:59
nuts literally and figuratively and they
00:53:02
are in my view they are winning this
00:53:05
war. And so this narrative from straight
00:53:07
out of Sergey Lavough that it's
00:53:09
unsustainable.
00:53:11
It's unsustainable for Ukraine. They
00:53:13
can't manage this. Well, guess what
00:53:15
folks? They seem to have put all that to
00:53:17
rest. all those doubts for the last
00:53:18
three and a half years. This is
00:53:19
unsustainable for Russia and we should
00:53:22
start speaking as if the Ukrainian army
00:53:24
is speaking from a position of strength,
00:53:26
which they are.
00:53:26
>> I like Scott. I know you like Neil
00:53:29
Fergus and I find him to be a contrarian
00:53:30
for contrarian sake and I like your
00:53:32
contrarianness better. Yeah, but Neil
00:53:34
Neil brings history and it's important
00:53:36
to have this type of dialogue and he and
00:53:38
I again agree on almost nothing
00:53:40
geopolitically, but I learn from him and
00:53:43
quite frankly it it it strengthens and
00:53:45
creates texture around my beliefs and I
00:53:47
think that's important and plus he's a
00:53:49
huge he's a huge we both are really
00:53:51
upset about the the the World Cup um
00:53:55
draw for Scotland. We're in the same
00:53:56
group as Morocco and Brazil. Anyways,
00:53:58
both he and I love team Scotland.
00:54:00
Anyway, my win
00:54:03
>> because I'm cancelling Paramount Plus
00:54:05
today. I watched all episodes of
00:54:08
Landmen.
00:54:09
>> Uhhuh.
00:54:10
>> Oh my god. I think I'm Republican now.
00:54:14
It's it's it's literally whoever that
00:54:16
guy is, he's Rupert Murdoch of
00:54:18
entertainment. He's like all this
00:54:19
[ __ ] liberal crazy [ __ ]
00:54:22
>> with all this redistribution of virtue
00:54:25
>> on on prime time streaming programs. I
00:54:28
am the Fox News of Scripted
00:54:30
Entertainment.
00:54:31
>> You know what? He's much more complex
00:54:32
than that. But go ahead. He's not
00:54:34
actually.
00:54:35
>> I don't think so. I think basically
00:54:37
>> he's not actually.
00:54:38
>> Oh, come on. This is I'm telling you
00:54:40
this is basically many a person.
00:54:41
>> I'm sure you've interviewed him. I have
00:54:43
this is basically succession if nobody
00:54:45
went to college or HR was a rumor.
00:54:48
>> It's a great show.
00:54:49
And I love the fact that all the the fe
00:54:52
every female character
00:54:53
>> crazy
00:54:54
>> exists solely to roll their eyes, sleep
00:54:56
with the wrong man or remind us that
00:54:58
feelings are inconvenient.
00:54:59
>> He's really bad on women.
00:55:00
>> And that every woman is in a state of
00:55:02
perry menopause. I mean
00:55:04
>> watch Yellowstone with the daughter.
00:55:06
She's a hot mess.
00:55:07
>> I can't I can't do Kevin Cosner. I've
00:55:09
just never loved
00:55:09
>> I'm telling you he loves hot mess
00:55:11
ladies. I like I do like I love I like
00:55:14
his stuff but he's a little more complex
00:55:16
than that. I'm glad it makes me feel
00:55:18
better about myself because it's like
00:55:19
every crisis can be solved by a phone
00:55:20
call, a threat,
00:55:22
>> or Billy Bob leaning back and explaining
00:55:24
why
00:55:25
>> to me more. I like her character.
00:55:27
>> I don't buy that John Ham would be in a
00:55:29
relationship with her.
00:55:30
>> I don't buy it.
00:55:32
>> He's so good-looking.
00:55:33
>> Well,
00:55:34
>> he's so God, he's
00:55:36
>> one with Jennifer Anderson on the
00:55:37
morning show. He played an Elon Musk
00:55:39
character, as you know. I like
00:55:40
>> his career really t
00:55:41
>> I love I met him at the morning show
00:55:43
party. He's a lovely guy, I have to say.
00:55:45
We had a lovely
00:55:46
>> Mad Man is still for me my second
00:55:48
probably my second second favorite
00:55:49
scripted drama after
00:55:51
>> he's a handsome [ __ ] man
00:55:52
>> after Breaking Bad. He's a He's a God,
00:55:54
he's so good looking.
00:55:55
>> He's a he's hugely tall, too, just so
00:55:57
you know. Very tall.
00:55:58
>> Yeah, he was also great in the most
00:56:00
recent uh series of uh or season of
00:56:02
Fargo. That was really good.
00:56:04
>> Yeah, he's a he's a very he's he's he
00:56:06
does a lot better work than he should
00:56:07
because he's so good-looking. He could
00:56:09
do a lot less good work because he's so
00:56:11
good.
00:56:12
>> Yeah. No, I learned that an oil patch is
00:56:14
everything about an oil patch. It's
00:56:16
brutally honest. There also oil is
00:56:18
unfairly maligned and it's
00:56:20
>> also run by a bunch of people who've
00:56:22
been divorced exactly once.
00:56:23
>> Okay.
00:56:24
>> It's Anyways, it
00:56:27
I love it because it gives me hope
00:56:29
because it's a story it's a story about
00:56:32
men who are never wrong but always get
00:56:34
laid.
00:56:34
>> Yeah.
00:56:35
>> It's just the perfect It's the perfect
00:56:38
series for a man. Oh, and I I This guy
00:56:43
is the Rupert Murdoch of scripted
00:56:44
television. He came in. He recognized
00:56:46
the biggest opportunity was just to go
00:56:48
Paramount. He's at Universal now with
00:56:50
all the virtual signalers. He likes them
00:56:52
better.
00:56:54
>> He's left. He's gone. That was one [ __ ]
00:56:56
up by David Ellison. I have to say he's
00:56:58
left to go over to dot the into the into
00:57:01
the more elegant uh relationship with
00:57:04
Donald Langley over there. She
00:57:06
>> It's Billy Bob Thornton telling us why
00:57:08
the oil business is the last honest
00:57:10
thing in the world.
00:57:11
>> I know. I know. But I It's just a story.
00:57:13
Anyway,
00:57:14
>> anyway, I my win.
00:57:16
>> I did I did basically 18 hours of
00:57:18
landmen this weekend.
00:57:19
>> Heated rivalry.
00:57:20
>> I am Republican now. Now, now we need
00:57:23
you back. Watch Heated Rivalry
00:57:24
>> and I immediately made a campaign
00:57:26
donation to Senator Ted Cruz as soon as
00:57:28
I was done. No,
00:57:29
>> you didn't.
00:57:30
>> But it's entertaining. I mean, it's
00:57:32
Billy Bob Zordon's fantastic. Anyway, uh
00:57:35
that was good. That was really good. We
00:57:37
want to hear from you. Send us your
00:57:38
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00:57:39
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00:57:40
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00:57:41
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00:57:43
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00:57:46
and Scott universe this week and on with
00:57:48
Cara Swisser, I spoke with Ben Collins,
00:57:49
the CEO of The Onion, we talked about
00:57:51
the importance of not being afraid to
00:57:53
stand up against the Trump
00:57:54
administration right now. Let's listen
00:57:55
to a clip. the people who have caved
00:57:58
since the start of this universities,
00:58:00
news organizations, everybody who who is
00:58:03
like, "Okay, sir, what do you need?"
00:58:05
They just kept stepping on them
00:58:07
afterwards. They just kept going.
00:58:08
>> They did. They did.
00:58:09
>> I'm not going to I'm not going to tell
00:58:11
this staff to change what they're doing
00:58:13
>> at all. Like, they are doing uh they're
00:58:15
going as hard as they want. Um and if
00:58:17
they come to me with a 50-50 ball, I say
00:58:19
go for it. Like,
00:58:20
>> and if they come to me with a big idea,
00:58:22
I'm like, "Let's find funding. Let's
00:58:23
find a sponsor. Let's find a thing to
00:58:25
that to make sure that this thing can
00:58:26
happen.
00:58:27
>> And Scott, before we go, we want to hear
00:58:29
one more thing. Let's listen to a
00:58:31
voicemail we got.
00:58:33
>> Hey there, Carara. I heard the I heard
00:58:38
you talk about the uh message the woman
00:58:41
left on your voicemail.
00:58:44
Uh what a [ __ ] Really, I mean, you are
00:58:48
fantastic.
00:58:49
I'm in love. And if you weren't already
00:58:53
married, I would be courting you. So
00:58:55
smart, so ruthless, so truthful, so
00:59:02
refreshing. Love you. Love you. Love
00:59:05
you, Scott. You are a smartass.
00:59:09
Uh, I can listen to some of the stuff
00:59:11
you say and I agree with some of the
00:59:13
stuff you say, but honestly, dude,
00:59:16
some of it is just like, o.
00:59:20
Anyway, Cara, love you. Scott, you're
00:59:23
lucky you're working with this woman.
00:59:25
That's just for me.
00:59:27
>> Yeah. So, let me guess who picked that
00:59:30
clip.
00:59:30
>> No, I love that. That was
00:59:32
>> Look, look at how happy you are.
00:59:33
>> Well, because the other woman said,
00:59:36
>> it's like when I It's like when my
00:59:38
ex-wife and I decided to get therapy and
00:59:41
my therapist within 10 seconds is like,
00:59:42
"You're selfish and have unreasonable
00:59:44
expectations of what marriage is about."
00:59:45
And I'm like, "Well, I'm enjoying this.
00:59:47
I'm enjoying this." Oh, that's because
00:59:49
Michelle Obama liked you. I just said,
00:59:51
it was very funny. It was a reaction
00:59:53
that anyway, thank you for that.
00:59:54
>> So, what if I want to have sex with
00:59:55
other women?
00:59:58
>> My god.
00:59:59
>> I love our listeners. Anyway, we love
01:00:01
that.
01:00:02
>> People hate you and love me and some
01:00:03
people love you and hate me. It's
01:00:05
perfect. It's great. Some people love us
01:00:07
both.
01:00:07
>> Something for everybody.
01:00:08
>> Yeah, something for everybody.
01:00:09
>> Sweet or savory.
01:00:11
>> I enjoy our listeners. Anyway, that's
01:00:13
the show. Thanks for listening to
01:00:15
>> how happy you are. Look at you. Look.
01:00:18
Look, look. I've never seen You're
01:00:20
giddy.
01:00:21
>> You're giddy.
01:00:23
You're giddy.
01:00:24
>> Okay. You know what? I was so happy.
01:00:26
>> I can't believe you're actually worried
01:00:28
about that.
01:00:28
>> Why not? It's like that interesting.
01:00:31
>> So many people are in those [ __ ]
01:00:32
files. You had to look.
01:00:34
>> I stay home and I watch Euphoria. That's
01:00:36
the most sexual experience I have.
01:00:38
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