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What's going on here is contrary to the
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very reason America was founded. The
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reason we started this experiment was we
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didn't want to be abused by a monarch.
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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York
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Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast
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Network. I'm Carara Swisser and I just
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scooped out my litter and Scott is in
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Swanky, Switzerland. This is the state
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of our relationship. I was with your
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first wife just a few minutes ago.
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>> I I heard she's swanning around there.
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How's it going?
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>> Yeah, she's uh one of my favorite things
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is this thing called she knows and
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>> they invite me because they know dudes
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will show up and they like to have dudes
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at their stuff. Um
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>> that's that's just what women want. But
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go ahead.
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>> Well, I think it is actually. Um I think
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they want to reach across the aisle, so
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to speak.
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>> Okay.
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>> Or I think they want to do a reach
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around. Um, oh god, my mind is a blank
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now. Um,
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>> okay. You're in Davos.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, that's where I am.
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>> And by the way, you look fantastic. Let
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me just say,
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>> you know, unfortunately, Cara, my
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iPhone, when I opened it still, uh, the
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Apple Face ID still works. So,
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>> and everyone said, and everyone's
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saying, you just look like you. And I'm
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like, well, that wasn't the [ __ ]
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point.
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>> It's I can see the difference.
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>> Yeah, I'm here. I don't know if you can
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see this equivalent. If Days In had a a
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branch in Davos, I'd be here. But it's
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only $2,700 a night. And if Trump gives
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another speech, the dollar is going to
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crash and it's going to be $6,000 a
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night. So, I should probably go check in
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now like it's Wear Germany or check out.
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Um
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>> Oh, could Well, before we start, I
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>> think you would hate it here. I can't
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even
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>> I hate I do hate it here. Last time I
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there, I was there with Megan when I was
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married to her. And like you, she got
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one of those weird global leaders of
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tomorrow's yesterday. whatever the yawn
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or young entrepreneurs and this was a
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million years ago and I went as a wife
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and I hated every [ __ ] second of it
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and I'm sure it's worse now.
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>> You know what it is? It's it's the least
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sexy place
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>> in it's the least sexy gathering in the
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world. It's like got the sex appeal of
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like a Marriott lobby.
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>> It's just
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>> it's just it's rough here. It's um
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>> Give me an an overview. Besides, let me
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just make a point. It's been 34 days
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since the deadline passed for the US
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Justice Department to release the
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Epstein files. I just want to note that
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just just just to add that in. But go
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ahead, tell me what's what's the vibe in
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in the place where they pretend things
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are normal.
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>> Okay, so first off, uh the last time I
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was here was 1999. I was here 26 years
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ago. I don't know if you know this about
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me, but I peaked early.
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>> Similar time frame for me, but
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>> yeah, I was there 26 years ago. And the
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vibe then was
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um it was about the internet. America
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was about cooperation and consumerism
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and sort of there was some there was
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really optimism like I want more. It was
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very consumey if you will. And now I'd
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say the vibe is one AI. Everything's AI.
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I was one of these guys running around
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trying to pitch my startup Red Envelope
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or my e-commerce incubator to everybody.
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Now everyone's pitching everyone on AI
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startups.
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And the American brand, which is meant
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to be the operating system here, I
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think, is really about coercion and
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chaos right now. And the vibe
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>> and arrogance. Arrogance is what I'm
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>> It's even beyond arrogance. It's it's
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it's just being rude for no real reason.
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Like,
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>> and
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>> Howard Letic was a particular [ __ ] on
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that topic. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. And Christine Lagard, she walked
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out on him. That was kind of the big the
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big event here. But there is also the
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vibe here is very unsettled
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because for all the talk about Europe
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being a union is clearly still not a
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union. In my opinion the strongest move
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would have been if they had somebody had
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actually read Mark Carney's speech and
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said he just articul articulated how we
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all feel more powerfully than anyone in
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the European Union has done. We want him
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to give that speech. We want him to
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outline a series of things that we could
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do as a union of all Western nations,
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selling US treasuries, forming a trading
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zone outside of the US, and they should
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had all [ __ ] 27 EU member leaders
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sitting behind Mark Carney. Instead,
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they just look like, oh, the number six,
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you know, the world's six, 11th, 28th,
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and the seven dwarves economy are angry
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at us. They clearly don't care.
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>> All right. Okay. All right. This is like
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you attacking the Dems. Tell explain
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what the rep what what the Trump
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administration is doing there cuz let's
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talk about the bullies not the bullied
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uh for a second. What what is the vibe
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from a Latnik uh Bessant looks like the
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the the man from Great Pup? Like he's
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he's excited to find Greg Pupon
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everywhere he goes. Never seen such a
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crash in reputation of that guy. But
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talk a little bit about that the the the
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arrogance because it's just you can you
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see it bristling off of tech people. Uh,
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the Palunteer Seal once again needs to
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stop talking quite so much. Uh, the only
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one that was interesting was Daario
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Amodi who is still trying to piss off
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David Saxs which I enjoy every day of
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the week and twice on Sunday. But what's
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the vibe from the US? It seemed
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absolutely [ __ ] you. Like we're we're
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we're the man even though and I'm
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popular. Trump was saying even though
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the his polls are crashing here in the
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United States.
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>> Yeah, I was at a dinner spoke last
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night. Um
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the I don't know the the way I the way I
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would describe the vibe is I don't even
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think it's the business leaders I still
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think are really well respected. People
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are still like hey Anthropic can you
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open a branch in Helsinki and let's talk
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about Poland's economy. So there's still
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I think a real I don't know if the terms
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affection but appreciation because the
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bottom line is the American economy
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continues to grind on and one of the
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masters of the university I went to one
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of his dire
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house one of the the masters in the
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university finance stood up and said
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look
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distinct of our political situation and
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he talked about anthropic anthropic
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raising 10 or 50 billion at 300 there's
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like seven companies in Europe worth
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$350 billion or more and anthropics
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started 5 years ago
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>> it's actually gaining a lot of ground in
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enterprise too. But go ahead.
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>> Yeah, it is. And it's it's it's kind of
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the success story maybe outside of
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Gemini and AI, I would argue over the
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last 12 months. So I feel like there's
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still a great deal of affection and want
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to work together. I wouldn't argue I
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would say that from the administration
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standpoint, their presence here isn't I
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think arrogant the wrong word. I like
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the definition of stupid. You help
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others and hurt yourself, you're an
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artist or philanthropist. You help
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yourself while hurting others, you're a
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bandit. You help others while helping
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yourself, you're intelligent. The
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definition of stupid is hurting others
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while you hurt yourself.
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>> Yeah.
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>> The the talking about
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how important it is for the US to own
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Iceland when you mean Greenland.
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>> You just look stupid. You just And it's
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not going to happen. The big news to be
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fair, he walked back military action. He
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said that's not going to happen. He did
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away with the tariffs he threatened
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earlier in the week. So, we come across,
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we just come across as just we're we're
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we're a baby with an AR-15 is how we
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come across right now.
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>> So, is it worth it for you to be there?
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Do you you look like you wanted to get
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out and I needed to helicopter in and
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get you, but uh was it worth it? Is it
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worth it?
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>> Well, so I'm name dropping. I said no.
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And then Larry Frink called me and asked
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me to come and said, you know, was very
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nice to me and said, "This will be a
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good audience for you." And I got to
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give it to him. This is quote unquote
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according to people who've been here for
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30 years the best office yet in terms of
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the quality or the power I would say of
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the people. You know Elon Musk felt left
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out. He's flying in this afternoon to
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give a speech. Heads of state senators
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the thing that sort of embodied how
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powerful the people are. I literally saw
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Lindsey Graham walking around looking
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for someone to talk to. Like he looked
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lonely and he was trying to find someone
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to talk to him.
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>> Yeah. He's such a pathetic chad.
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>> So everyone's here.
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>> He's a chud not a chad. And by the way,
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you wanna you want to hear serious vibe,
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serious juju, serious mojo, serious RZ,
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[ __ ] Governor Nuome is walking around
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like he is the next president. And guess
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what? Everyone believes him. He has an
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entourage of He has so I'm not
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exaggerating. It's like there's light
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shining on the guy. He was I
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>> He really had So
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>> I walked down I walked down I had one of
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those This was a nice moment for me. I
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have I have a big ego like everyone
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else. I walked down into the Congress
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hall and there was a crowd of people
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around this guy and no matter how big
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the crowd is, you see him like he's
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[ __ ] Rihanna standing on Arnold
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Schwarzenegger's shoulders.
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>> He just it's like and it's like God.
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It's like he's the chosen one.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> And then he stops and comes over,
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>> catches my eye and he hugs me.
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>> I feel like one time this guy, the
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coolest guy in my junior high school,
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Andy Lowour, who I didn't even think
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know was alive. I didn't even I didn't
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even know I was alive. I did a comedy
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sketch at the talent show on Laurel and
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Hardy and he came up in a class and he's
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like, "Go, you're the funniest." And he
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high-fived me and for a day I was the
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most important person I'd ever known.
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>> This is I was It was like the cool kid.
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The cool kid high fives you
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>> Anyways, came over, hugged me, and
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>> I tell you,
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he texted me that he saw me.
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>> I'm just texting with everybody. I was
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like heranging Mark Benny off. I was
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texting.
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texting everybody there.
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>> You're literally stalking me. I sit down
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at dinner last night and the woman next
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to me goes, "Carra's talking to me. She
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knows we're sitting together." I'm like,
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"How the [ __ ] does she know we're
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sitting together?
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You're like the Stazzi with Wi-Fi."
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>> They will text me. They're like, "Where
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are you?" I'm like, as if I'm I'm making
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quesadillas for my children and
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scooping.
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>> The highlight I'm totally I'm totally
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name dropping right now.
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>> All right. Go ahead. I was si I got to
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sit next to Sasha Baron Cohen and I
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rolled with him after and he and I went
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bar hopping after.
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>> Oh, okay.
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>> And he was he was picking up a friend
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>> and Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau. By
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the way, Justin Trudeau's skin there's
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no way that guy was stressed in office.
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He looks like he's he's a world leader
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and now he looks like you're happy.
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You're swaning. Oh my god.
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>> Anyways, I'm totally swanning swaning.
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Let's go. Let's talk about
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>> Hold up. But Sasha goes I go I'm going
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to this wine tasting thing, master the
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universe thing. You should come. And he
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goes, "Can I come in five minutes?" He
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goes, "Will you leave my will you leave
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my name at the door?" And I'm like,
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"Sasha, something tells me they're going
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to let you in."
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>> Anyways, that's my that's my big
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celebrity thing.
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>> Well, he's great. He's a great guy.
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>> Super thoughtful. He understands AI.
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>> I I though you don't invest in our
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relationship. I did one of my favorite
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interviews with him.
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>> He said he was on with you.
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>> Yeah. He's great. He's so smart. He's so
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smart.
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>> Middle class Jewish kid from the suburbs
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of London. And really fearless, too. I
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like him a lot. and a lot of his stuff
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if you look at it now even if it's a
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satire especially around the dictator uh
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is spot on like some of some of the
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stuff he wrote. Um so just so people
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know couple of things from their
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headlines. Donald Trump's backing off
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his threat to impose tariffs on Europe
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saying there's now a framework for
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Greenland deal. He there isn't a
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framework for Greenland after meeting
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with NATO's secretary general. Trump
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said the solution quote if consummated
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would be great for the US and all NATO
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nations. It's probably more US bases.
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The idiot. he could have done it before.
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Uh that announcements came just hours
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after Trump delivered his big speech at
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Davos where he seemed to be gripping the
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podium as if it to save his life where
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he repeated his desire to acquire
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Greenland or Iceland as you said as he
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referred to it. The speech did not go
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over very well. He insulted and
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threatened our NATO allies. Uh even
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though the White House was saying was
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great. I think most people did not think
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so. But let's listen very quickly to
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give him a moment. So, we want a piece
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of ice for world protection
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and they won't give it. We've never
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asked for anything else and we could
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have kept
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that piece of land and we didn't. So,
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they have a choice. You can say yes and
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we will be very appreciative or you can
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say no and we will remember.
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>> It's reminds me of my four-year-old Saul
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when he didn't
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>> like a mob boss, isn't it?
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>> I know. I know. But it sounds like a
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toddler actually when Saul didn't get
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the Hot Wheels he wanted. Trump also
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wasn't thrilled with Canadian Prime
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Minister Mark Carney said who gave a
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quote speech at Davos Tuesday talking
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about the rupture in the world order.
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This was a speech to remember. It was so
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beautifully delivered. This guy is
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really top level in terms of delivering
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a speech. Let's listen to what he said.
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>> We have a recognition of what's
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happening and a determination to act
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accordingly. We understand that this
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rupture calls for more than adaptation.
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It calls for honesty about the world as
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it is. We are taking the sign out of the
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window. We know the old order is not
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coming back. We shouldn't mourn it.
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Nostalgia is not a strategy.
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But we believe that from the fracture we
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can build something bigger, better,
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stronger, more just. This is the task of
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the middle powers. the countries that
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have the most to lose from a world of
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fortresses and a most to gain from
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genuine cooperation.
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>> Smart, not pearl clutching, not
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victiming. Cardi warned that the middle
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powers, it sounds like the middle
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kingdom must act together because quote,
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"If we're not at the table, we're on the
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menu." He's absolutely right. Uh
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contrast um the the two the two
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speeches. And by the way, Trump sent the
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world markets on a roller coaster the
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last few days as global stocks plunged
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early this week following Trump
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threatening to slap tariffs on Europe,
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which he didn't, and the markets rallied
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once he pulled back. So talk a little
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bit about these two speeches and the
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impacts on the markets.
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>> You summarize it. Carney gave the speech
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at the conference and supposedly he
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wrote it himself. I mean, there's so
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many great lines in there. Nostalgia is
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not a strategy. This isn't a
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transformation. It's a rupture. And one
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of the call signs I think for great
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leadership is forceful yet dignified.
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And he was all of that. And of course he
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he tweaked Trump and Trump mentioned his
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speech. Trump just, you know, he um he
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just came across as
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uh brambling and offensive for no
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reason. And the general vibe here is
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that the Europeans, not with Americans,
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I still think they want to work with
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American companies. But with with the
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American administration, they're just
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sort of fed up. They're just like,
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"Okay, we're just sort of done with
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these guys." And Howard Lutnik, I don't
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know if you heard this, Howard Lutnick
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was heckled at a dinner,
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by the way.
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>> These aren't protesters with blue hair
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holding signs. These are these are state
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leaders who went to Swiss boarding
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schools and to you know Dalton and and
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eat with the right fork and they just
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listen to this guy talk about how
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globalization has not worked and we've
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been taken advantage of. It's like okay
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boss we sell in the highest margin
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products in the world to these trading
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partners. They sell in lower margin
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products. We have grown our economy
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faster than any economy in the world
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with maybe exception of China over the
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last 20 or 30 years. Come again. Why has
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globalization been bad for us? He just
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comes across as an ass.
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>> He's a [ __ ] He's a, you know, he never
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was a highlevel person on Wall Street
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like a Bessant. Besson wasn't the
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highest level, but he certainly was up
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there. But they both come off like
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morons. Just morons. And that's the word
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I think of every time he opens his
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mouth. And you know, he's such a thirsty
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[ __ ] That's really the way it goes.
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Anyway, so are when are you coming back?
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How long how long are you going?
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>> I was supposed to come home tomorrow.
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I'm going to come out tonight. I'm going
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to peace out. Davos feels like Vegas for
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me in the sense that it was great for
00:15:33
two days and now I just can't wait to
00:15:34
get get out of here.
00:15:35
>> Yeah, you look like that at the
00:15:36
beginning. I like your videos, though.
00:15:38
They're nice. They're lovely.
00:15:39
>> Yeah. I just, you know, I'm not raising
00:15:40
money. I'm not running for office. It's
00:15:42
like, why am I here?
00:15:42
>> Why am I here? Why are you there? Why
00:15:44
aren't you here?
00:15:44
>> Well, you know why? Cuz Larry Frink
00:15:46
called me and said, I want you to come.
00:15:47
So, you come. And I I mean, I met with
00:15:49
the president of NYU today, the
00:15:51
chancellor of Berkeley. I have a lot of
00:15:52
friends here.
00:15:53
>> Yeah. you get to see people,
00:15:54
>> you know, it's nice, but I'd rather be
00:15:56
at home doing podcasts and hanging out
00:15:58
with my boys and I'm I'm finally getting
00:16:00
to the point where it's like, okay, what
00:16:02
where am I? I'm I'm really trying to be
00:16:04
more purposeful.
00:16:05
>> It's good that you went so you
00:16:06
understand that this is like going to
00:16:08
the island of of, you know, donkeys that
00:16:11
Pinocchio went to. Now, you know, now
00:16:13
you know.
00:16:14
>> That's not the island I thought you were
00:16:15
going to reference, but I'll I'll I'll
00:16:17
stick with And by the way, again, it's
00:16:19
been a month since they were supposed to
00:16:21
release the Epstein files, and we're
00:16:22
going to keep a ticker on that one cuz
00:16:24
they're violating the law.
00:16:26
>> What is your perception of it as an
00:16:28
outsider? Sometimes it's hard to read
00:16:29
the label from inside of the bottle.
00:16:31
>> Honestly, there's all kind all manner of
00:16:33
nonsense going on in um and and really
00:16:36
violent nonsense, most perpetrated by
00:16:39
largely the government. Um going into
00:16:41
houses whenever they feel like it. There
00:16:43
was one photo that I actually was with
00:16:45
my mom last night and I put on CNN cuz I
00:16:48
happen to be on CNN talking about
00:16:50
Darius.
00:16:50
>> The guy in the bathrobe.
00:16:52
>> Uh, yes. The guy, not the bathrobe. No.
00:16:54
No. Yes, that too. But there was like 10
00:16:57
ICE officers in front of a small house.
00:17:00
Looked like a very lovely house. There
00:17:02
was no criminals inside. Each of them
00:17:04
with an AK-47 like mushed up near the
00:17:08
front of the door. And my mom was like,
00:17:10
"What are they doing?" And I was like,
00:17:12
"Oh, there's there's one illegal
00:17:14
possible illegal immigrant in there."
00:17:16
And she goes, "Why do they need 10
00:17:17
guns?" I'm like, "That's an excellent
00:17:19
question, Lucky." So, I I think, you
00:17:21
know, I think that's you're seeing a lot
00:17:23
of visuals like that. A lot of gas being
00:17:24
put out. And then that tiny Bo, the guy
00:17:27
who's running it there, who is uh there
00:17:30
was the best um uh thread of all time, I
00:17:33
think, where it said um you know, he
00:17:35
looks like they look like they drive a
00:17:37
Subaru. And so he's just he's just a
00:17:40
cheap he looks like a ridiculous tiny
00:17:42
little man. Anyway, okay Scott, let's go
00:17:44
on a quick break. When we come back,
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Scott, we're back with more news. Doge
00:19:51
employees shared social security data
00:19:53
according to court filings. The filings
00:19:55
show that political advocacy group
00:19:57
contacted members of the Doge social uh
00:19:59
security team asking for an analysis of
00:20:01
state voter roles. One of the employees
00:20:03
signed an agreement with the group who
00:20:04
aimed to quote find evidence of voter
00:20:06
fraud and overturn election results in
00:20:08
certain states. No accountability. This
00:20:10
is something we talked about on Pivot
00:20:12
saying this is probably exactly what's
00:20:13
happening. It's very dangerous this data
00:20:15
is being shared. Who knows what else?
00:20:17
And I think at some point we will find
00:20:18
out exactly what was uh what was was
00:20:21
taken and misused. And speaking of Doge,
00:20:24
uh Elon has dropped $10 million in
00:20:27
support of a proTrump Republican
00:20:28
Kentucky Senate candidate Nate Morris
00:20:30
who is running to succeed retiring old
00:20:32
person Mitch McConnell. Um you know,
00:20:34
he's tried to do this. He tried to do it
00:20:36
in Wisconsin. Um so I I don't know what
00:20:39
you think about the Doge thing. I think
00:20:40
it's just of course this is what they
00:20:41
did and hopefully they will be
00:20:43
prosecuted. in terms of Doge like you
00:20:45
called this. You don't give your I'm I'm
00:20:47
much more promiscuous with my data than
00:20:49
you and you said I would never give them
00:20:50
my data but unfortunately the social
00:20:52
security agency you you have to give
00:20:55
them your data. I mean the government
00:20:57
the government knows your HIV status.
00:20:59
>> Yep.
00:20:59
>> You know the government knows how much
00:21:01
money you have, what you do with your
00:21:03
money, who you send it to. You know they
00:21:06
have kind of access to pretty much
00:21:07
everything.
00:21:08
>> Unique data that they need for these
00:21:10
LLMs. By the way,
00:21:11
>> I don't I actually believe in the
00:21:13
government's right to collect data. What
00:21:15
I But I think you have to match that
00:21:17
with really stringent laws that if
00:21:19
you're going to violate that privacy, it
00:21:20
has to be under threat of like domestic,
00:21:22
you know, of terrorism or something.
00:21:23
>> Well, they have no accountability here.
00:21:26
>> Well, yeah, nothing's going to happen,
00:21:27
right? So,
00:21:28
>> I don't think so. I don't believe that.
00:21:29
I think we're going to there's going to
00:21:31
have forensics on this later and we're
00:21:33
going to understand exy,
00:21:36
but what they did here. And I I do know
00:21:38
of tech people taking account of what
00:21:40
happened in cryptocurrency, what's
00:21:42
happening here, and at some point there
00:21:44
will be a reckoning.
00:21:45
>> But do you think people will be punished
00:21:47
for this?
00:21:48
>> I don't know. I I don't think Elon Musk
00:21:49
will necessarily be unless there's, you
00:21:51
know, signs of, you know, take the take
00:21:54
the stuff and run, I suppose. I mean,
00:21:55
but he's just barreling on. Even though
00:21:58
Tesla sales or Cyber Truck sales, what
00:22:00
they sold 20,000 last year, they're
00:22:02
supposed to sell 250,000.
00:22:04
Um, I can't believe they sold 20,000,
00:22:06
but you know, he keeps rolling on. I
00:22:08
think he'll keep rolling on as he
00:22:09
because he can collect money for Grock
00:22:11
or he'll keep doing I just did a show
00:22:13
today on CSAM, which is uh child u
00:22:17
essentially child pornography and he'll
00:22:19
just keep rolling on even though it's
00:22:21
shameful what's happening. The other
00:22:23
thing Netflix has officially updated its
00:22:25
Warner Brothers offer to an allcash deal
00:22:26
replacing the original cash and stock
00:22:28
structure. The latest agreement reduces
00:22:30
the amount of debt uh put on Warner's
00:22:31
spin-off Discovery Global by $260
00:22:34
million. The two companies say the new
00:22:35
structure should allow Warner
00:22:37
shareholders to vote on the deal by
00:22:38
April. Um ALS, but at the same time,
00:22:40
Netflix narrowly beat Wall Street
00:22:42
expectations in its latest earnings. The
00:22:44
company posted $2.4 billion in fourth
00:22:46
quarter profit, up 29% over the year,
00:22:48
but the growth is slowing. Revenue is
00:22:50
projected to grow only about 13% this
00:22:52
year compared to 16% last year. It's
00:22:54
still working well. Netflix shares hit a
00:22:57
52- week low during the trading this
00:22:59
week, which is why they went to all
00:23:00
stock. Uh, I think it's just a matter of
00:23:02
price with this Warner Brothers deal. It
00:23:04
looks like Netflix has the inside edge
00:23:06
at this moment. Um, but I'm not I don't
00:23:09
know any thoughts.
00:23:10
>> Well, they continue. The expectations
00:23:11
are so huge even though they revenue and
00:23:14
earnings topped estimates up 18 and 31%
00:23:17
year-on-year, respectively. Uh, the
00:23:20
stocks been down and they're at a third
00:23:22
of a billion paid global subscribers. Uh
00:23:25
there are a few takeaways from the year.
00:23:27
The content spend ratio um is almost
00:23:30
less than it's ever been, which is good
00:23:31
for shareholders.
00:23:32
>> You you have noted that.
00:23:33
>> Well, in 2015, Netflix spent 85 cents
00:23:36
per $1 of revenue. Right now, they're
00:23:38
spending 38 cents, a 55% decrease, which
00:23:42
says, "All right, we're going to
00:23:43
dominate the market. We're going to take
00:23:45
advantage of our cheap capital,
00:23:46
overspend on content no one can keep up
00:23:48
with us. then we're going to aggregate
00:23:50
an unprecedented number of paid
00:23:51
subscribers and we're going to let
00:23:53
revenue continue to grow and hold our
00:23:56
spending flat. It's a great strategy.
00:23:57
Some people would argue it's predatory
00:23:59
pricing. Uh the advertising business um
00:24:02
still not a big business. I've always
00:24:04
been against it. This year accounted for
00:24:06
3% of Netflix total revenue despite the
00:24:09
fact that advertising revenues are up
00:24:10
two and a half fold from 2024. I think
00:24:12
it's bad for the brand but it's probably
00:24:13
very high margin. And in terms of watch
00:24:16
time, as a as a share of television
00:24:18
watch time, Netflix is sitting at 9%
00:24:20
while YouTube is at 12.7. A combined
00:24:23
Netflix Warner Brothers entity would
00:24:26
garner or register about uh 10.4% of all
00:24:29
watch time.
00:24:30
>> So still under YouTube.
00:24:32
>> Yeah. It's much more p like all watch
00:24:34
time is not created equal, right? Cuz
00:24:36
just like HBO watch time is very
00:24:38
impactful and cultural. It just, you
00:24:41
know, watching Keeping Up with the
00:24:42
Kardashians, no one's going to be at the
00:24:44
Academy Awards from that anyways, but
00:24:46
they're those two, they're kind of
00:24:49
Gangas and Kong and then the Seven
00:24:51
Dwarves. They're so at if they're number
00:24:54
two at 10.4 would be the number three
00:24:57
Disney Plus is at just 4.7.
00:25:00
>> Yeah.
00:25:00
>> So, and I've said this, I like Ted
00:25:02
Sandos a lot. I'm not a huge fan. I
00:25:05
don't know. I'm sort of neutral on the
00:25:06
Ellison. I don't know him. I'm a huge
00:25:07
fan of Ted Sandos. I would rather see
00:25:10
Paramount own this for any other reason
00:25:12
than I think we just need more bulking
00:25:15
up of competitors.
00:25:16
>> Mhm.
00:25:17
>> That's what a lot of people think. Yeah,
00:25:18
>> they
00:25:19
>> I just think they're terrible owners.
00:25:20
>> Yeah. You just don't I I can understand
00:25:22
that viewpoint. You trust Ted more than
00:25:25
you trust the Ellison's. I get that.
00:25:26
>> I just Here's what I think. You know, a
00:25:28
lot of people are making a lot of noise
00:25:29
in Hollywood about like, oh, he's
00:25:30
against theaters and Dave will save it.
00:25:32
Dave is not capable of saving it. for
00:25:35
one the the theatrical experience and
00:25:37
con to me I'm a consumer person
00:25:39
consumers if they wanted to go to the
00:25:40
theater they'd go to the [ __ ] theater
00:25:42
and they don't they go to the theater
00:25:43
when they want to and the theater
00:25:45
experience is declined because of
00:25:47
theaters not because of consumers and
00:25:49
not because of Ted Sarando so blaming
00:25:51
him for that is just he's just doing is
00:25:53
he's just following the trends and
00:25:56
consumers have spoken and I'm I'm a
00:25:58
consumer person in the end of the day
00:25:59
and if they put out like the Oscar
00:26:01
nominations just came out today yay
00:26:03
golden uh Uh but um but I just like
00:26:07
people if they wanted to go to the
00:26:08
theaters they go to the theaters and you
00:26:10
no no Rich Ellison person is going to
00:26:12
save it. Uh I don't care how many you
00:26:15
know James Camerons or Gris Nolan scream
00:26:18
about it. If if you make movies that
00:26:19
people want to see in theaters they
00:26:20
will. That's it. And so I'm not going to
00:26:23
put that on him. I'm just not I just
00:26:25
it's his business to do what is best for
00:26:27
his business. And so that's just my
00:26:29
>> Well, Carney summarized it and it's it's
00:26:31
apppropo here. Nostalgia is not a
00:26:33
strategy,
00:26:33
>> right? Exactly.
00:26:34
>> And show me a director claiming how it's
00:26:36
all collective. We need to go to movies.
00:26:37
I'm going to show you someone who gets
00:26:38
every Academy Academy Award film
00:26:40
>> in his links sent to him and watches it
00:26:42
in his home theater. You want an
00:26:43
interesting stat? And by I mean, and
00:26:45
also what is a theater, what isn't? Um,
00:26:48
my 15-year-old best theater experience
00:26:50
of recent memory, he called me. He could
00:26:53
not have been more excited. He went and
00:26:54
watched the final of Stranger Things
00:26:56
>> in a theater.
00:26:57
>> Yeah. Sure. If you
00:26:59
>> It was just amazing. He was just totally
00:27:00
blown away by it. Yeah,
00:27:02
>> here here's a fun stat. Since the first
00:27:04
bids were due for Warner Brothers,
00:27:06
Netflix stock is down 20%.
00:27:09
That's an enormous uh shedding. And the
00:27:12
real is ask the motor shown only one in
00:27:15
three acquisitions ever pay off for
00:27:17
shareholders and Netflix
00:27:18
>> probably a good one for them from the
00:27:20
content perspective. They would be able
00:27:22
to
00:27:22
>> at what price though? That's that's
00:27:24
right. At some point at some point
00:27:26
everything's a good deal and at some
00:27:27
point everything's a bad deal,
00:27:29
>> right? And also the thing about Netflix
00:27:32
is they have and the reason why Apple
00:27:34
has been very disciplined and not that
00:27:35
inquisitive. Netflix has an outstanding
00:27:38
culture.
00:27:39
>> The I got that. Did you get that deck?
00:27:41
Netflix I mean Ted doesn't I should tell
00:27:44
Ted this.
00:27:44
>> Ted and Reed kind of changed my approach
00:27:46
to business. Mhm.
00:27:47
>> I used to think of compensation as I
00:27:49
want to pay people as little as
00:27:50
possible, give them equity and create a
00:27:53
nice environment and and try and
00:27:55
generate profit so ultimately I can sell
00:27:57
it and then everyone is happy because
00:27:59
they have equity. But I was always
00:28:00
trying to constantly I don't say
00:28:02
underpay yeah underpay. I was always
00:28:04
trying to find ways where I could pay
00:28:05
less than market such that I could have
00:28:07
a cash flow positive company. Some of
00:28:08
that was out of necessity cuz a lot of
00:28:10
these companies I bootstrapped Netflix
00:28:13
had uh you know that document that
00:28:15
leaked about their culture. Yeah.
00:28:17
>> And a key component of their culture is
00:28:18
they say we want exceptionally well
00:28:20
compensated employees. But now I it's
00:28:23
totally switched my mind around
00:28:24
compensation. I'm
00:28:26
>> I mean granted I'm in a different
00:28:27
position now and I can monetize other
00:28:28
things but I try to pay people between
00:28:30
30 and 50% more the market. And what I
00:28:33
find is well one if you have the money
00:28:34
it's a good thing to do and stop
00:28:36
bitching about income inequality and
00:28:37
live up to it. And two, it red it's like
00:28:41
such a luxury because you when you o
00:28:44
over when you pay people really well I
00:28:45
won't say overcompensate you have no
00:28:47
churn and it just is so much it's so
00:28:50
nice not to get a call on a Friday and
00:28:51
I'm hexing myself and saying oh I'm I'm
00:28:54
giving my you know two weeks not oh [ __ ]
00:28:57
anyway
00:28:58
>> expect that call on Friday from me okay
00:29:00
>> really call no
00:29:01
>> you're going to semaphore
00:29:02
>> no I'm not
00:29:03
>> you're going to go media if
00:29:06
>> you're going to know No. Um, you know,
00:29:08
it's interesting what'll happen here. I
00:29:09
think what it'll be is how much is that
00:29:11
stub is worth that extra part and
00:29:13
comparing them and it'll be come down to
00:29:15
money as we've said again and again and
00:29:17
again. I do think Netflix is the
00:29:19
superior buyer largely because I think
00:29:23
Paramount has to buy something. That is
00:29:24
absolutely true. And if they were better
00:29:26
owners, I might be more amendable to it.
00:29:29
But I find what they're doing over at
00:29:30
CVS, even though it's a small little
00:29:32
thing is soiling themselves on a daily.
00:29:35
So even those small decisions are bad.
00:29:37
So I don't expect good decisions from
00:29:38
them. That's the last thing in media.
00:29:40
The FCC says daytime and nighttime talk
00:29:42
shows aren't automatically exempt from
00:29:44
the political equal time rule anymore.
00:29:46
That means if they host a candidate,
00:29:48
they may have to offer equal airtime to
00:29:49
opposing candidates. Talk shows have
00:29:51
previously qualified for an exemption to
00:29:53
the rule for like ever. It's clearly
00:29:55
aimed at late night hosts like Coaron
00:29:57
Kimmel, maybe John Stewart, although
00:29:59
John Stewart has more different people
00:30:00
on. But is this is ridiculous. This is
00:30:02
this is Brandon Carr that thirsty cho
00:30:05
doing it again. I mean, it's the same
00:30:07
thing. He failed last time by
00:30:09
threatening them and this is a threat, I
00:30:11
suppose. Whatever.
00:30:12
>> Yeah, I actually like this law, but this
00:30:14
is an abuse of it. I think I I think
00:30:17
it's a good law that you try and give
00:30:18
people equal time such that one party
00:30:21
doesn't weaponize the media. But this is
00:30:23
just an abuse of it. And I think where
00:30:25
it'll come back to haunt them and why
00:30:26
this will go nowhere is someone's going
00:30:27
to say, "Well, what about AM Talk Radio,
00:30:29
which is dominated by Republicans."
00:30:31
>> Correct. That is great. Yeah.
00:30:32
>> And what is what is TV and what is radio
00:30:35
when now radio and podcast are now TV
00:30:38
shows just a lower means of production.
00:30:40
So I don't think this is going to hold
00:30:42
the test of any sort of legal test that
00:30:44
their buddies over at Newscore or Sirius
00:30:47
radio or whoever it is are going to
00:30:49
want. Okay, you set this precedent.
00:30:51
We're all we're all
00:30:53
>> bring over the lesbian Cara Swisser over
00:30:55
to Newsmax. Whatever.
00:30:59
Oh, as if I'd talk to I I would talk to
00:31:00
my pillow lady who's getting ratioed by
00:31:03
Ilan Omar every day and I'd talk to her.
00:31:05
I would just to just do the same thing.
00:31:08
But yeah, it's ridiculous. It's aimed at
00:31:09
Colurn and Kimmer and they'll just have
00:31:10
Marjorie Tele on. Fine, Brandon, you
00:31:13
piece of [ __ ] Anyway,
00:31:14
>> how do you really feel?
00:31:15
>> Let's go on a quick break. When we come
00:31:17
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00:31:19
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00:31:22
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Scott, we're back with more news.
00:33:43
Federal officials launched what they're
00:33:44
calling Operation Catch of the Day with
00:33:47
ICE. Oh god, they're so awful. With ICE
00:33:49
officer targeting Somali communities, JD
00:33:51
Vance is expected to visit Minneapolis
00:33:53
as we tape as a show of support to
00:33:55
federal immigration enforcement
00:33:56
operations there. Oh, ICE agents in
00:33:59
Minnesota have detained at least four
00:34:01
kids from the same school district this
00:34:03
month, including a 5-year-old boy in
00:34:04
order to catch his parents. Tensions are
00:34:07
already running high following the Renee
00:34:08
Good shooting. There was a release of
00:34:10
her autopsy. It looks like he shot well
00:34:13
after he had to through the head. The
00:34:15
first two shots were were not great, but
00:34:19
they didn't kill her. The third one did,
00:34:21
so he didn't have to shoot her. Hundreds
00:34:23
of Minnesota businesses are planning to
00:34:24
shut down Friday in protest of ICE
00:34:26
activity in the state. I happen to be
00:34:28
interviewing uh Minneapolis Mayor Jacob
00:34:30
Pride today, so I'll hear the latest.
00:34:32
Where do we go from here? Well, the the
00:34:35
thing that struck me, I don't know if
00:34:36
you saw this, but
00:34:38
the best argument I think around the
00:34:42
second amendment or protection of the
00:34:43
second amendment even in the face of the
00:34:45
original, you know, the original authors
00:34:49
or the original founders, it could not
00:34:50
have conceived of what these weapons
00:34:52
would do right now is that every time we
00:34:56
have
00:34:58
people know where guns are, it's been
00:35:00
used to the Nazis when they rolled into
00:35:02
a place just went and found where the
00:35:04
Guns were registered, took the guns
00:35:05
away, and then Nazis showed up and had
00:35:07
there was no ability for uh civilians to
00:35:10
push back. Okay, so we have guns
00:35:13
everywhere. We have a mass police force
00:35:15
showing up. Where are the people with
00:35:17
the guns? And the answer is they've
00:35:19
started showing up in Minnesota. And
00:35:21
that is there are some neighborhoods,
00:35:23
have you seen this, where people are
00:35:24
outside on patrols with guns saying,
00:35:28
"Sorry, don't come to my neighborhood."
00:35:30
I'm not endorsing this. I think it's,
00:35:32
you know, fascism can come from the far
00:35:34
right or the far left, but this does
00:35:36
feel like they're risking and like
00:35:38
they're begging for or prompting
00:35:41
for pretty serious violence and an
00:35:45
excuse to start firing on civilians. I
00:35:48
think quite frankly Minnesota leadership
00:35:49
looks weak here. I just would have I I
00:35:52
don't I feel sorry for them. They're
00:35:53
flatfooted. I don't know how they
00:35:54
respond, but if if
00:35:57
>> what do they do? They're abusing
00:35:59
citizens. What can they do? resist
00:36:00
these. These people have enormous
00:36:02
firepower.
00:36:03
>> I'm not suggesting they show up with zip
00:36:05
ties and bullet vest. I just I quite
00:36:07
frankly care. I I hate to I think
00:36:08
Governor Walls looks really weak here.
00:36:10
>> Okay. Again, you're focused on the
00:36:11
Democrats. I'd like you to focus on
00:36:13
>> I'm focus on actually both sides to be a
00:36:14
critical thinker.
00:36:15
>> But a critical thinker would say what do
00:36:17
what what is happening with the people
00:36:18
that actually have the guns and are
00:36:21
abusing their the government power? I'd
00:36:23
like
00:36:23
>> I've just said the mass police reminds
00:36:25
people the stazzy. I'm I'm I think it's
00:36:27
horrible and I think that Democratic
00:36:29
senators should write up basically make
00:36:31
it clear we're coming for you and the
00:36:33
statute of limitations does not expire
00:36:35
for these types of crimes. Having said
00:36:37
that, I don't I feel like no one is
00:36:40
really stepping into the void of of kind
00:36:43
of of of leadership here and standing up
00:36:46
and saying, "All right, I mean, and I
00:36:48
don't I I empathize with them. I don't
00:36:50
know I'm not sure what I would do. I
00:36:52
don't I don't know how you handle this
00:36:53
situation. I gotta be honest. I don't
00:36:55
think this is I I would I'd be very
00:36:58
interested to see I don't think the
00:36:59
leadership of Minnesota and I may I
00:37:02
sympathetic
00:37:04
>> very vocal they've been very
00:37:06
>> well the mayor has been that's a good
00:37:08
example that I think that's a fair point
00:37:09
>> so has the senator Tina Smith so has
00:37:12
Senator Clolobachar I I feel like you're
00:37:14
not
00:37:14
>> what is Senator Clolobashar said
00:37:16
>> she's been all over the talking about
00:37:18
we're going to come back when this is
00:37:19
over we they're we want to tamp down the
00:37:22
violence at the same time there this
00:37:25
over abuse of power. They're saying the
00:37:26
things you want. I just the the these
00:37:30
these have these people have impunity.
00:37:31
They just don't stop if you you know and
00:37:34
I think the question is the only way to
00:37:36
stop them is to attack them which you
00:37:38
can't do like you can't do. And you
00:37:41
know, I I think the citizens of
00:37:42
Minnesota who have who have a history
00:37:45
like hund decades of this kind of
00:37:49
resistance for ye for long long long
00:37:51
long time are the ones showing the real
00:37:53
bravery here.
00:37:54
>> Agreed. But who would you who would you
00:37:57
identify as quote unquote the leader and
00:37:59
push back of resistance here? Is it the
00:38:00
mayor of Minneapolis? Is it the Sen
00:38:02
Senator Clolobashar? Who is it? I think
00:38:04
a lot of this the the the local
00:38:06
officials being very vocal and I think
00:38:08
judges are trying to pull it back. I
00:38:10
just think these people just keep going.
00:38:12
I think they don't I think Stephen
00:38:14
Miller just says okay when they when
00:38:16
they shoot a woman through the head
00:38:17
their next move is yeah now you can go
00:38:19
into their houses even if they're not
00:38:21
criminals essentially. And so I just
00:38:24
don't know what the response is except
00:38:26
shooting at them. And I don't and I
00:38:28
think that leads to a really and that's
00:38:30
what that's why they've got these people
00:38:32
these the government is if you're going
00:38:34
to behave like thugs the only response
00:38:37
is thuggishness right that actually is
00:38:39
effective and then you're kind of like
00:38:42
let's let me do this on a local level
00:38:44
after Fox News said that gangs of
00:38:45
deluded moms were harassing ace agents
00:38:48
Amanda and I made a funny video but we
00:38:50
wanted to ask someone to call in and
00:38:52
tell us about their experiences. Let's
00:38:54
hear one. These are average citizens.
00:38:56
Let's hear one. Hey Scott and Cara. My
00:38:58
name is Annie and I'm a mom who lives in
00:39:00
Minneapolis. I've been helping to resist
00:39:02
ICE by driving kids to and from school
00:39:03
every day. What we need to do is get
00:39:05
kids to the classroom to learn. If their
00:39:07
parents are too afraid to leave the
00:39:08
house and too afraid to go to the bus
00:39:10
stop, then this is where we can step in
00:39:11
and help. Um, are these the actions of a
00:39:13
leftist terrorist group? I don't think
00:39:16
so. I think it's just people deciding
00:39:18
that this is the right thing to do. So,
00:39:20
if that makes me part of the diluted
00:39:21
wine mom's club, then I will proudly
00:39:24
wear it like a badge of honor. Thanks.
00:39:27
>> One more.
00:39:28
>> Hi, Scott and Cara. And by which I
00:39:29
really mean Cara and Amanda, diluted
00:39:32
wine mom. I am the mother of a
00:39:34
seven-year-old about 25 minutes south of
00:39:36
St. Paul. And I got myself tailed by ice
00:39:40
on Thursday last week. Um, the crime I
00:39:44
committed essentially was taking a photo
00:39:47
of the license plate of the Florida
00:39:49
plates on only the back of his vehicle
00:39:51
and giving him a dirty look, which he
00:39:53
very well deserved. Um, about 15 minutes
00:39:55
later, he took my picture, I took his
00:39:58
picture, and then 15 minutes later,
00:40:00
after picking up my child at school, I
00:40:03
found a very large black SUV following
00:40:05
me very close range for five minutes
00:40:08
felt like about an hour. So, fun times
00:40:11
here.
00:40:12
>> These are Scott, I mean, people are
00:40:14
trying to do things and it reminds me a
00:40:16
little bit.
00:40:16
>> Terry, I don't put words in my mouth.
00:40:17
You're making it sound like I don't I
00:40:18
don't stand behind the public.
00:40:21
>> Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. I I think what
00:40:24
the young the young woman who said that
00:40:26
she is shuttling kids to school. I think
00:40:28
the efforts to provide food to people
00:40:31
who might be harassed by ICE so they
00:40:33
don't have to leave their house. I I I
00:40:35
you know I salute the people of
00:40:36
Minneapolis doing whatever they can. Um
00:40:39
I'm disappointed that there doesn't
00:40:41
appear to be a Democratic leader
00:40:43
standing up in Minnesota or anywhere
00:40:45
else showing anything resembling I mean
00:40:48
like we need a leader. We we need
00:40:51
somebody who is and I I get that this is
00:40:54
a very difficult situation
00:40:56
but I I I feel as if okay we need
00:41:00
somebody to and again I've said this
00:41:02
before why do they know why are they
00:41:05
violating everyone else's privacy and
00:41:08
someone hasn't come out and said okay
00:41:10
we're smart people we know how to use
00:41:12
the internet and here are the people
00:41:13
that we believe have committed or are
00:41:15
accompllices to murder and seconddegree
00:41:17
murder and the Renee good case and these
00:41:19
are these this is the criminal
00:41:20
prosecution papers we're planning to
00:41:22
file which will be outside of the
00:41:24
statute of limitations
00:41:26
and so on has said this I think what
00:41:29
you're talking about is someone like
00:41:30
Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeff and I
00:41:32
agree with you 100%
00:41:34
Nuome has certainly talked about it a
00:41:36
lot Josh Shapiro has talked about it a
00:41:38
lot um anyone you haven't heard a lot
00:41:41
from some of the other presidential
00:41:42
candidates but you've you know I thought
00:41:44
that Pritsker stood up quite a bit when
00:41:46
they
00:41:46
>> I think every presidential candidate I
00:41:47
mean I mean that's kind of I think every
00:41:49
presidential candidate should be in
00:41:50
Minneapolis right now.
00:41:51
>> I agree.
00:41:52
>> And peaceful protests, not threatening
00:41:55
anyone physically, but you know, just
00:41:58
there. And and I I don't This is
00:42:02
what's going on here is contrary to the
00:42:05
very reason America was founded. The
00:42:07
reason we started this experiment was we
00:42:10
didn't want to be abused by a monarch
00:42:13
who had no checks and no no balances and
00:42:16
no control that could just abuse
00:42:18
citizens. based on what they felt was
00:42:20
advantageous for them or their blood
00:42:21
sugar level. And that's what's going on
00:42:24
here. But I'm I'm disappointed in the
00:42:26
Democratic party that I it strikes me.
00:42:30
It's like it feels like there needs to
00:42:32
be a leader here. And it's not obvious
00:42:34
to me who that is.
00:42:35
>> I was listening to Rachel Madd's uh Burn
00:42:37
Order, which is about Japanese
00:42:38
internment camps, and two two groups of
00:42:40
people stand out to me. One are Quakers
00:42:43
who threw blankets and everything up
00:42:45
over these uh internment camps even as
00:42:47
the army was lying about what they were
00:42:49
which was you know which was astonishing
00:42:52
that they did this which I mean blankets
00:42:54
does it end it? No. But it helps just
00:42:56
like these this symbolic women driving
00:42:59
these kids right that is critically
00:43:01
important for citizens to get out there
00:43:03
even and there's a lot of videos of just
00:43:05
average citizens who are like have never
00:43:07
come out and is like I'm sick of this
00:43:08
[ __ ] I love that. But one of the people
00:43:11
that it reminds me of is this guy,
00:43:13
Governor, Colorado Governor Ralph Carr.
00:43:15
He opposed the intern and Japanese
00:43:18
Americans. He called it
00:43:19
unconstitutional. He welcomed him to
00:43:21
Colorado. He cost him politically. He
00:43:23
lost because of all this anti-Japanese
00:43:25
sentiment. He thought denying rights
00:43:27
based on ancestry was undermining the
00:43:29
American system and and and he welcomed
00:43:33
them. And he he was it was unpopular and
00:43:36
he he the downfall of political career.
00:43:38
Now, there's lots of things named after
00:43:40
him in Colorado, but he took it was a
00:43:43
price. It was an absolute price for this
00:43:45
guy and the backlash was significant at
00:43:47
the time, but if you think about those
00:43:49
kind of things, you you do need a
00:43:51
political figure like this even if at
00:43:53
great cost. And you're absolutely right
00:43:55
and they do have to put their bodies on
00:43:57
the line and their political
00:43:59
reputations. But to me, this is going to
00:44:01
be citizens going to push back here
00:44:02
because that's how the Minnesota way.
00:44:04
And one thing I really appreciate these
00:44:06
moms um calling in. This is the kind of
00:44:09
stuff you need to do. None of them.
00:44:11
They're just exercising their rights as
00:44:13
citizens of the United States and they
00:44:15
do not seem particularly dangerous to
00:44:17
me. Um so I think that's a good thing.
00:44:19
I'm sorry I wasn't meaning to put words
00:44:21
in your mouth. I just think the focus
00:44:23
unfortunately it's going to be on
00:44:25
citizens.
00:44:26
>> No. And you're right. It's clear I
00:44:27
haven't I haven't registered nor paid
00:44:30
attention to some of you know for
00:44:32
example Senator Clolobashar and what
00:44:34
they have said and I do empathize with
00:44:36
like you know the point is okay what
00:44:38
exactly do you do with people with
00:44:41
federal government who have mandated
00:44:43
weaponry. Um, the whole thing is
00:44:49
again I I I'm I'm waiting for the
00:44:53
Democrat to say
00:44:55
this is who we're who we're we are going
00:44:58
after these folks. I think you are
00:45:00
breaking laws and if you break more
00:45:01
laws, we're coming for you.
00:45:03
>> We're keep We're keeping names. We're
00:45:04
taking
00:45:05
>> We're taking names.
00:45:06
>> We're taking names. Yeah, I agree with
00:45:07
you.
00:45:07
>> It may take us 36 months before we can
00:45:09
do anything,
00:45:10
>> but 36 months goes fast.
00:45:12
>> Yeah, absolutely. I think it's um you
00:45:15
know I I think it's sad for the people
00:45:17
having to do it but that's but but
00:45:19
they're also doing it without stopping
00:45:21
and I get they need money but there's
00:45:23
other ways to people hate them. People
00:45:26
hate them and that's not no way to live.
00:45:27
One more quick break. We'll be back for
00:45:29
predictions and Cara's wins and fails.
00:45:31
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>> Okay, Scott, let's hear your prediction
00:46:36
and then I will say my wins and fails.
00:46:39
So,
00:46:41
if there is an upside, and I I don't it
00:46:43
it would be impossible to call this an
00:46:44
upside, but I do think that there may be
00:46:50
some element of distraction around this
00:46:52
Greenland [ __ ] I won't even give that
00:46:54
credit. Bottom line is my prediction is
00:46:57
that I think we're about to see the US
00:47:00
um conduct a military strike on Iran. I
00:47:04
think you look the USS Abraham Lincoln
00:47:07
carrier strike force. By the way, this
00:47:09
is none of this is confidential
00:47:11
information. It's all been reported. The
00:47:13
fueling tankers that basically give you
00:47:15
like a gas station in the sky. Many of
00:47:17
them were relocated to bases in the
00:47:19
region. And some of that just might be
00:47:21
okay. The region is a bit hot right now.
00:47:23
So, we want additional kinetic power
00:47:25
there. But I think one I think it's the
00:47:29
right thing to do. I think we have an
00:47:30
unbelievable opportunity here to topple
00:47:32
a regime who's been the primary funer of
00:47:34
terror terror and the most oppressive
00:47:36
regime
00:47:37
maybe globally in a long time and is
00:47:40
really deeply weakened. I interviewed
00:47:42
Neil Ferguson yesterday, the historian
00:47:45
for the Profod and he I asked him what
00:47:48
is the likelihood the regime survives if
00:47:50
we don't intervene in a coordinated
00:47:52
strike and he put it at 90%.
00:47:55
>> Yeah.
00:47:55
>> He said they'll just tamp down the
00:47:57
protesters. They t
00:47:58
>> Well, yeah. when you start killing
00:47:59
people. Right.
00:48:00
>> Exactly.
00:48:01
>> You can do the right thing for the wrong
00:48:03
reasons. I think Trump is going to do
00:48:05
this cuz I think he absolutely loved the
00:48:07
macho Tarzan light that Venezuela
00:48:10
provided him.
00:48:11
>> He Yeah, was he was jonesing for
00:48:12
something like that and it gets away
00:48:13
from the Epstein files again. 34 days.
00:48:16
Turn them over, Pam. Pam, it's a law.
00:48:19
Turn him over. Yeah, I agree with you. I
00:48:21
think that's exactly right. I am going
00:48:22
to do wins and fails. I uh the Oscars
00:48:24
weren't released yet. I'm going to do
00:48:25
something lighter because this has been
00:48:26
a heavy situation despite the fact that
00:48:28
I I really enjoy your Davos stories. Um
00:48:31
uh I I'm really the Oscars came out a
00:48:34
lot of great movies this year 100%. But
00:48:36
I was actually very heartened to see
00:48:38
someone like Kate Hudson get a get an
00:48:39
Oscar nomination. I think
00:48:40
>> what's she been nominated for
00:48:42
>> for uh song sungl
00:48:47
Jesse Buckley from Hamnet. There's a
00:48:49
bunch of others who are probably more
00:48:51
actor. Uh, but I think she's a
00:48:53
hardworking, you know, she's the
00:48:55
daughter obviously of Goldie Han, but
00:48:56
she's done some amazing work and, uh,
00:48:58
including comedy, more serious stuff,
00:49:00
almost Famous.
00:49:01
>> Absolutely. Almost famous or absolute
00:49:03
famous. What was that?
00:49:04
>> Almost famous with Cameron Crow movie.
00:49:06
She was wonderful in that movie. But I
00:49:08
think she's a hardworking and she's in a
00:49:10
a Netflix series I like a lot um about
00:49:12
the LA Lakers essentially. And she's she
00:49:15
I took, as I said, I took my wife Amanda
00:49:17
who was like gay nuda. I really I've
00:49:20
interviewed her once many years ago and
00:49:22
I really like her and um just a lovely
00:49:26
smart thoughtful person and uh she uh
00:49:29
Amanda was like Kate Hudson and then she
00:49:31
came out she goes that was an
00:49:32
astonishing acting. I was not expecting
00:49:34
how layered and good that was and so uh
00:49:37
so anyway so she was I just feel good
00:49:40
for her good for her to get in there. I
00:49:41
don't I doubt she'll win but uh I think
00:49:44
it's a nice job you should see the
00:49:45
movie. It's it's if you feel bad go see
00:49:47
that movie. It's it's sort of like
00:49:48
Heated Rival. feel bad, watch it. Um,
00:49:51
and then I'm just going to two wins. Uh,
00:49:53
again with the heated rivalry, one of
00:49:54
the funniest things happening on the
00:49:56
internet, this is not a new thing, are
00:49:57
people acting out scenes from heated
00:50:00
rivalry in public and putting them
00:50:01
online and they are so funny. They are
00:50:04
so they made me laugh my ass off. There
00:50:07
was one where the two guys were doing it
00:50:08
in the DMV in front of this woman and
00:50:10
she was just watching the whole thing
00:50:12
and it just get the feeling. One of the
00:50:15
things that was really interesting is
00:50:16
Esther Pel talked about the reason
00:50:18
people like Hito Ravu which is sort of
00:50:19
the the media of the moment really um
00:50:22
and it's because she was saying that it
00:50:24
makes you feel better about the outcome
00:50:26
that you're expecting the hit and you
00:50:28
don't get the hit, you get the right
00:50:29
response from people and it retrains you
00:50:32
to think everybody's not evil
00:50:34
essentially. Like I I know as a gay
00:50:36
person watching it like I was waiting
00:50:38
for someone to get beaten up. I was
00:50:40
waiting for some rejection or some
00:50:42
ugliness and it all the answers are
00:50:44
good. And so I I'm going to go watch it
00:50:47
a second time because I was just sitting
00:50:48
there waiting for the bad news as a gay
00:50:50
person because it always comes in those
00:50:52
depictions and in life. Um so it was uh
00:50:56
not any not as much anymore but in
00:50:59
definitely in my younger life. So uh I I
00:51:02
just thought that was great. That was
00:51:04
great too. I'm going to do two wins. I
00:51:05
don't have
00:51:05
>> I know. I I don't even see movies
00:51:07
anymore. I already know who's going to
00:51:08
win the Oscar. Who?
00:51:09
>> Well, you just tell me which film has
00:51:11
the following. Um, it's a quoteunquote
00:51:14
brave film, which means which is Latin
00:51:16
for it has sad people, foreign accents,
00:51:20
subtitles, or it's a it's a biopic where
00:51:23
someone discovers racism in the third
00:51:24
act. Which movie is that?
00:51:26
>> Is it Hamnit? No. One battle after I'm
00:51:29
asking you. I really don't know.
00:51:30
>> Oh, no. I They're all very good movies.
00:51:32
They're all They are These are not These
00:51:34
movies that are being nominated are
00:51:36
terrific, actually.
00:51:37
>> Yeah. All these actors claim they hate
00:51:38
sequels unless it's the same movie about
00:51:40
Hollywood loving itself which they
00:51:42
remake every sinners would win but I
00:51:44
don't think
00:51:44
>> is that a good film. You like that?
00:51:45
>> Yes. Yes. I love that movie. I thought
00:51:47
it was great and I wish I you know
00:51:50
actually when I was looking at the
00:51:51
nominations I was like and I don't think
00:51:53
that show matters anymore or those the
00:51:55
Oscars necessarily matter but they're
00:51:57
they're all good. I was like oh I'd have
00:51:59
a hard time picking here and every one
00:52:01
of the actresses is terrific. Every one
00:52:03
of the actors terrific supporting. The
00:52:05
only thing that has to win um is Golden
00:52:08
from K-pop Demon Hunters. Thank you.
00:52:10
That was the only thing I would have to
00:52:11
say. Song of the year. And again, a
00:52:13
happy song. I'm going to leave on a
00:52:14
happy note. That's what I'm doing.
00:52:15
>> I'm not going to talk about other things
00:52:17
like that. Anyway, uh we want to hear
00:52:20
from you. Uh send us your questions
00:52:21
about business, tech, or whatever's on
00:52:23
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00:52:25
submit a question for the show or call
00:52:26
85551 pivot. Before we go, Scott, you
00:52:29
also got a shout out from Michelle Obama
00:52:31
on Call Her Daddy podcast. It's such a
00:52:34
combination, Caller Daddy and Michelle
00:52:36
Obama. As someone who's done important
00:52:38
work on how social media is affecting
00:52:40
children, people should go check that
00:52:43
episode out. Congratulations. It was
00:52:45
very lovely to hear that. I have a lot
00:52:46
of people writing me about you. Uh,
00:52:49
meanwhile, Cara Swisser is getting some
00:52:51
accolades of her own. Let's play a
00:52:52
voicemail I got this week on my phone.
00:52:55
>> If this is Karen Cara Swisser's number,
00:52:59
I just wanted to relay that she's a
00:53:00
[ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
00:53:04
Oh, thank you for that.
00:53:05
>> That's it.
00:53:07
>> It's for Please come back and tell me
00:53:10
what it's for. I really appreciate that.
00:53:12
Oh my god. It's not a number I don't
00:53:14
want to use, actually.
00:53:15
>> What did you do to air?
00:53:17
>> I don't know. I don't know. You have
00:53:19
Michelle Obama petting you all over the
00:53:21
place saying you're wonderful. I get
00:53:23
this. I'm a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
00:53:25
>> I don't.
00:53:26
>> Anyway,
00:53:27
>> so just uh
00:53:28
>> Yeah,
00:53:29
>> that that pisses me off cuz guess what?
00:53:31
You know who doesn't get voicemails like
00:53:32
that?
00:53:33
>> What?
00:53:34
>> Men.
00:53:35
>> Yeah, they don't. Oh, I get them all the
00:53:36
time.
00:53:37
>> Yeah, they don't.
00:53:38
>> From men, actually. Usually from men.
00:53:40
But actually, this is a woman,
00:53:41
obviously.
00:53:42
>> I don't know. Misogyny is sort of a
00:53:44
universal practice. It's not limited. I
00:53:46
I It's probably unfair to call her
00:53:47
misogynist. Maybe she feels wrong by you
00:53:48
or whatever. But I'm not exaggerating. I
00:53:50
get a lot of [ __ ] posting online. No one
00:53:52
ever like calls me anything.
00:53:54
>> Oh, I get it all the time.
00:53:56
>> Yeah. And there's just a different level
00:53:58
of um
00:54:01
Anyways, I don't know.
00:54:02
>> I did seriously think it was my mother
00:54:03
at first.
00:54:05
>> That's lucky on Mother's Day.
00:54:07
>> By the way, our producers are so they
00:54:10
can call and leave you a message if
00:54:12
you're feeling left out.
00:54:14
>> Yeah. No, I have to I I like to pay
00:54:16
people to leave those kinds of messages
00:54:18
for me.
00:54:19
>> Yeah.
00:54:19
>> I know. Well, I just wanted to play it
00:54:21
because, you know, lady, if you're going
00:54:22
to leave me a [ __ ] [ __ ] message,
00:54:24
I'm playing it and using it as content
00:54:26
and also say why, but [ __ ] you. Like,
00:54:28
anyway, uh I don't really care. Anyway,
00:54:30
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