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I'm worried that if I created an ability to have a dialogue with me that it might
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someday reduce a young man's motivation and mojo to establish mentorships in the
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real world. Could they make Scott AI be more of an [ __ ] like so that it's more like regular life?
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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Carara Swisser.
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Can you get over how excited people are about our tour? I know they are. Let's discuss it. Let's
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discuss it. We're selling very brisk ticket sales, it looks like. Yeah. We're already I think like half sold out in San Francisco. I think
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that's mostly because of you. Yeah. Yeah. People are showing upon Toronto. Toronto. We're almost We're like half
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sold out there. More than half sold out there. So, just to remind people, DC, New York, Toronto, Chicago, San Francisco, LA.
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Wait, did I miss anything? No, I don't think so. I Wait, seven. The best comment though when we
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announced it was, "Just say it. You hate Arizona." Yeah, I know. People got mad. Other
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cities got mad at us. We'll come to those cities. We will come to those cities. Which I think we probably should have included
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another Midwestern city besides Chicago. No, no, no, no. The biggest mid is The biggest miss is Miami. Loves the
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hotties. You're right. Miami would be good. Yeah, Miami would bring We should go to Well, except if we go to some city, they're like, "Who the [ __ ]
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are you?" Like, that would There are so many cities that would be like that. Like Altuna, Pennsylvania, for example.
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Yeah. I think that's mostly cities that aren't on the coast with like a ton of liberal universities. I love Car Swisser. She's my hero.
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She's here quote unquote teaching and that is telling war stories about how awesome she is for 20 minutes.
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No. No, that's not how I'm teaching. No. In fact, the school set complimented me because she said all these people who do
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these kind of things come in and tell war stories and I don't. I talk to the students and engage them on the topics
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of the day. It's like a mini pivot. Like we talked about the comedy thing, talked
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about except they're paying $7,000. No. No. It's good. It's a good course. I'm doing I love famous teachers. They
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also get to hang out with Alex. I had a fast they tell people to follow their passion after they're already rich
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having some iron ore smelting. Let me just say you have the professor. You have prof and you haven't been inside a
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classroom in what 69 years or something like I taught a class the other day. Stop it. Where where
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for a section my AI? Yes, but not at a university. Correct. No, I've been at I've been at Oxford
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recently. I'm I'm going to King's College soon. I'm I'm still I still show
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up in classrooms. But the the university you're assigned to, you were you've not Oh, them New York University. It's
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amazing they still keep me on faculty. I think it's because you know why they do? I'm mentioned more in applications than any other prof at this point.
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Of course you are. You're very popular. You're very you're a popular and then they show up and get pissed off I'm not there and write letters to the
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administration. Have you thought about doing a course there or not? You just Yeah. When I move back, I'll start teaching. Oh, good. Oh, that'll be nice. You know,
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they tried to give me the professor designation on the syllabus and I took it off. I didn't feel like I deserved it.
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Cuz you're so humble. That's what people know you for is your humility. A little hostile day. You know why I think you're hostile? Because most people
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agreed with me on the comic thing. Did you notice in the comments uh on Cara? No. On the on the on the comics
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that went uh uh you know the place where you're going to laugh your head off. Saudi Arabia.
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Oh, Riad. Oh, what a shocker. The the wokesters weighed in. I love I love how
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people are virtuous with other people's money. Whenever you lose an argument, you always are like, "It's the wokesters."
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The bots. No, I I blame it on Russian bots. That's my go-to. No, they were like Scott. Well, should we pull out our military
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bases or the universities there? You know what? Should we do we do I think com I told you comics.
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No, don't let Bill Bur go. No, actually, you know what? He had the lamest excuse. I have to say I was sort
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of like just say I want the money. He didn't. He was like He was like, I really think they're, you know, they're
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regular people. They have McDonald's there. Literally. I was like, you're stupid now. You're an idiot. Like he's
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like, "Oh my goodness, they're not on camels." I'm like, "No, they're the richest people on the [ __ ] planet, my
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friends. I'm going to Alua, one of the coolest tourist places or or sites in the world.
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I love the people there." Yeah. I'm I want Americans to move there and make a [ __ ] ton of money. I want to
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secure our fossil fuel energy pipeline. If If Israel and the kingdom normalize
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relations, it'll be like the Iron Dome for Israel. NBS is keeping the [ __ ] crazies online in line unlike some of
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the others. They're reforming like um the game. I'm going to bear hug the kingdom.
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Invite me. I'm in. Oh god, I'm not going. You know, when I wrote that piece about them in the New York Times many years ago,
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are you teaching a class at Michigan right now? Well, I'm glad you asked that. When I wrote a piece in the Atlantic,
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let me just say as I was touching myself to Rachel Madd. You're so wildly insecure. Anyway, I
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wrote a piece about why are there seen me naked? It's common sense. I'm insecure, right? I haven't seen you naked. And
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this is something This is going to be part of our tour is me seeing you naked. Um I actually have seen you partially
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naked many times, unfortunately. So is everyone else. I know that's true. So, but not the full
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Monty. I have not seen the full Monty. Daddy brings the egg salad with the good egg salad with the little bits of bacon
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and the mayonnaise. Let me finish my point. I wrote a piece about why tech went to uh get money from
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uh the Gulf right after Kosogible, right? It was immediately after Kosogi and I was like, can't they go to
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Singapore? Can't they go to like there's so many other choices and stuff and it was a really interesting debate because a lot of people in Silicon Valley also
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very similar to this were like we shouldn't be get taking money from them. We should be taking money from Singapore. No, I I agree. When they murder a
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journalist, we should make our companies less competitive and reduce the prosperity of people working for those companies. You know, they dismembered
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him and like took video of him. He murdered him. I I I acknowledge that. I think they paid I think it was a
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stupid vile thing to do. Yes. Okay. They've done a lot of stupid vile things. So, um so my point is I was
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I I was someone contacted me from uh Saudi people who knew the Saudis were
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like, "Don't go to Saudi Arabia, Caris Wisher." I was like, "Okay." Cuz I called him a thug.
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But just a quick question. How many kids will be shot in Saudi schools today? Oh my god. Stop it. Don't do the that
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thing. Don't do it. How many people in the kingdom are not the same? We are not the same. How many people in the kingdom
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are going to go bankrupt? How many women are allowed to do everything that they're supposed to? How many gay people get to survive? Scott,
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we're not doing this. Shame. They have absolute agenda apartheid and it's terrible. And the only good
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thing you can say about it, but you need to acknowledge it, is it's headed in the right direction. And our gender apartheid is headed in the wrong
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direction. That is correct. But we're still far apart. I'm sorry. You're not going to I'm sorry. The United States is even in
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the state it's in is is I'm not even getting paid to be a mouthpiece for the You really are. Somebody send me a check. Send him a
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check. You're going to get into the comments everyone. All the woke commenters. We're going to move on. But
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nonetheless, I am correct and I won the fight. And I am right. And I think in your tagline should be my tagline should
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be I don't read the comments. I don't read the You do read the comments though. Um, I think that it was
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a good debate and I think you know in your heart of hearts that it was kind of sky me for those for the comics to do
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it. I'm not I'm not thrilled with a military base. I'm not thrilled but I get it. But comic to sign like a
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censorship thing. I'm going to just stick with my guns on this. Anyway, we have a lot to get to today. I'm going to have the last word there. Including
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OpenAI launching a new video app. That's actually fascinating what's been going on. Pete Hegsathth of course ranting at
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top military officials about beards and outfits. Uh but first, the US government officially shut down this week. Kind of
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a big deal after Congress failed to reach a deal on funding. As of this recording, it doesn't look like this is
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getting settled anytime soon. The White House is now withholding billions of dollars in funding for Democratic states
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and preparing to carry out massive layoffs. Democrats are calling Trump erratic and unhinged. she does seem a
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little bit more so and say he's more focused on posting deep fake videos of Hakee Jeff and sombrero than
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negotiating. Meanwhile, about 750,000 federal workers are expected to be furled and services across the
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government are being disrupted. The Bureau of Labor Statistics is suspending operations, so no jobs reports and other
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key economic data for the time being. They're also targeting blue states. Russ is saying it explicitly. Um,
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I I I'm going to ask your overall thoughts and the best messaging for both parties right now and uh and the polit
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and I'd love to hear your thoughts on the political economic consequences. But I did talk to some Trump people yesterday, some of the more reasonable
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Trump people and um which there are there are indeed. I hate to tell you, but there are um and they were slightly
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worried because the crazies have taken over in the Trump White House. And they were talking about things like this was
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crazy that it should last 47 days because that's the number that's the number of his presidency. They're like
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they're like Taylor Swift. They're like Swifties, these people. They're like they're interested in numbers. um and
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that they're very uh interested in a full um they're talking about a full
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like sort of prostration of Democrats. Some of the reasonable Trumpies are worried
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that nothing's going to happen. And of course, everyone alludes to his mental issues like that he's really losing a
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step or two. It's been noticeable in several of his appearances. Um, so anyway, so that was kind of frightening
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to think about like sort of the the crazier people in charge of the situation with no interest in
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negotiating. Go ahead, Scott. Well, generally speaking, the American
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people do not like shutdowns as a means of negotiation over public policy and
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spending. Their attitude is, and I think this is the right or an understandable
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viewpoint, is that you're supposed to figure this out at the ballot box and negotiations on legislative process.
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You're not supposed to be taking the budget and the operations of the country and the livelihood of government workers
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hostage. And it has not worked in the past. The the last couple shutdowns were threats
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from the Republicans who wanted funding for a wall or wanted cuts to Obamacare. and they blinked because the nation said
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squarely don't use this as a tool for uh negotiating public policy. Having said
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that, can I make a note? The last three have been under Trump, but go ahead. The last three the last three shutdowns have been under
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Trump, but go ahead. So anyways, my point is these things don't usually work and Americans aren't
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fond of using this as a political cudel or or or wrench. Having said that, and
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there might be some bias here, I think if you look at the if you look at the surveys, the majority of the
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blame so far is being levied at Republicans, or more blame, I should say. It's like 34 to 24. And the
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Democrats here and the leadership are being shockingly strategic. They're not saying, "Oh, no. We we want
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to renegotiate the tariff nonsense or we want you to stop these rounding up people with ICE." They have been very
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pointed. We want you to extend subsidies so people can have health
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care. Potentially millions of Americans are going to see their health care become unaffordable and it's going to
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primarily target the most needy. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats
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demand around that would have more impact positively if they get what they want on Republicans.
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So I think they are strategically going after an issue that is both the moral high ground and a function of
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affordability and likely to divide the Republican base.
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Yeah. And in addition, the Democrats were just screaming out with two words, three
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words, do [ __ ] something. This is something. Yeah. This is saying, okay, sorry, you've got
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to come to the table. Right. So, I I actually think this is strategically, and again, there's a lot
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of a lot of bad things about this, but keep in mind, folks, when the
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Republicans say if they continue to do this, if they continue this battle,
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we're going to fire people, not because those people don't add value, not because those people aren't important to landing planes safely on runways, not
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because those people aren't important to defend our shores, not because those people don't ensure that lower and
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middle inome people can can enjoy one of the great assets of the earth and that is our national parks. We're taking the
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kamas approach and we're just going to embed them in this fight even if they
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get killed or put out a word put out of work. That is just a pure collateral
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damage hostage strategy. They have said to Democrats, if you do this, we're going to start firing innocents
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and also we're going to target your stuff. It's explicitly political. It's explicitly
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they're embedding government workers in the midst of the of the firefight for no other reason than they say they'll be
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martyrs on behalf of our great Republican battle which some of them want. Let's be clear.
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Let me just say some of them I mean you can see Russell vote getting a hard on about firing people and getting rid of government. It's very clear. Uh same
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thing with Steven Miller who's demented. He gave a demented speech about immigrants the other day. Another more
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demented and let me just caveat that. Um when think about the messaging so far
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now I sent you the Bernie Sanders and AOC one which I thought was adorable messaging great messaging um they looked terrific
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together they were very articulate about what they want this is all we want was people shouldn't have their healthcare
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doubled in price right it was pretty clear and um uh pretty clear essentially
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what is the next step to do because I think that you know John Thun is sort of puffing out his ch who seems to be a
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reasonable person away from Trump, right? He seems to be one of your typical decent legis decent legislators
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who has been pretzled in the Trump administration. Um, but he's sort of going, "Yeah, we're not doing anything."
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Like there I mean, I know that's a posture and I'm not a particularly good negotiator because I'm like, "This is what I want. This is what I want. I just
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want this. Thank you." Um, I'm not strategic that way or tact tactical, I guess. But he's he's sort of doing the
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posturing. And I I think from talking to some Trump people, there's a group in the White House which is like let's let
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it last forever. Like this is great. Like they're very they're they're giddy about anti-government techniquarians. Just let
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it all burn down. Let's start over. Yes. Exactly. And so how do you how do they thread that needle? What what he's
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saying we're not going to negotiate until we're the government is open again
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and then we'll do we'll cover this. And the Democrats should be saying we don't trust you essentially. Correct. I mean,
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I I don't know what what what would be the posture for each of them going forward.
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Well, so I'm a big fan of Senator Thuns, mostly because he's just very handsome and in great shape, but also he does he
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does strike me. I've actually met the senator. I think he's a reasonable guy. He obviously has conservative values,
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represents, you know, conservative state, South Dakota, but he is a reason he's in the seat he should be and I
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think he will be a productive member uh productive majority leader and a productive hopefully someday minority
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leader. The what I would do and I had a phone call on this last night is I would
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take uh US senators and so so Senator Warner did a great job. someone and it
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might have even been a planet question saying why are you why why do you
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continue to advocate for giving health care to illegal aliens and he
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immediately said and this is what is so just mendacious about the Republican talking points right now folks we are
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not going to have a country we're not going to have a democracy we're going to turn to Ouija boards and horoscopes if
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there is not an objective truth and the objective truth is there is no law or
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legislation in effect or being proposed that would give health insurance to
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illegal aliens. And yet Speaker Johnson continues to go on these shows and say
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this lie and then they fact check him and he just starts talking about well no
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that's not true. It's like well okay Speaker um Speaker Johnson you didn't answer the
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question because you know you're lying and also what do we want? We want people dying in
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the streets. Oh, I'm sorry. I you don't have an effective visa. We're going to let you bleed out here in the parking
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lot. So, uh, Senator Warner immediately said, "The premise of your question is
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factually incorrect. No one is proposing or asking for
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coverage for illegal uh, immigrants. what they should be doing and my advice to the person I was speaking to in comms
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yesterday, I would take your I would literally send
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500, you know, what is it? 535 Congress people out to out to districts,
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specifically Republican districts, and I would interview people on their porches
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who clearly look, smell, and feel Republican and talk to them about what it would
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mean if their premiums for Obamacare double, right? I go right into enemy territory, quote
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unquote, you know, that's what Bernie and AOC are about to do. And go right in and say, "Hi, who are you? I'm so and so. I'm a single mother.
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I struggle with diabetes. My kid has cerebal palsy. I don't know what I'm going to do.
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I don't know what I'm going to do. I would go right into the deepest reddest states, which by the way tend to be the
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ones that need the most federal funding. That's right. And make it very human.
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Who did you vote for last time? All of them are going to say Trump. Okay, fine. Let's get that out of the way. Tell us about your health care.
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Tell us about what would happen to you if this resolution goes through and
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there's not an agreement to keep the tax credits or funding for Obamacare
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premiums. What would happen to you and your children like stop eating essentially
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and then and then show their show their Trump flags. We are in Trump country
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because the the smartest thing about I think what what uh leader Jeff and and
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uh Senate Minority Leader Schumer are doing is they're fighting over a topic that's going to divide Republicans.
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So, let me ask you another question because one of the other talking points is that Schumer is doing this at the
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behest of the left. He's being he's worried about being primared by AOC. Um, and so they're they're pulling they're
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they're being pushed into the shutdown by the left. That's I've just noticed that one uh as as a big talking point.
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I don't I it's hard for me to relate to quote unquote the other side. I don't think that's a very effective talking
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point. What is their most effective talking point then? What would you do if you're the Republicans?
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The most effective talking point is is the following. That shutdowns are not meant to be taken the government is not
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meant to be taken hostage. We negotiate policy policy in the chambers of Congress and at the voting at the ballot
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box, which soon was saying that's that's our most effective message. I hate to say it. If it were
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true, providing healthcare to illegal immigrants would be an effective talking point. I think the Democrats and the
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media has done their job here. I thought George Stephanopoulos was actually quite strong on this. He just pushed back and
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said that is not true. That is just not true. I think that's gotten out there that it's not true.
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Yeah. But I think I think a guy like Thun standing up there just saying look we can't continue
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to have these shut down and then of course once the Democrats in charge they'll threaten they'll take the shutdowns hostage
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right it only goes to November 19th I think it doesn't even solve the problem
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right that's the thing it's just kicks the [ __ ] down the road until until we actually get reasonable people to say
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all right at some point we got to stop behaving irresponsibly and stop spending
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$7 trillion on five trillion in receipts. This is just going to keep happening. They do think they're going to peel off
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Democrats. They peeled off obviously Fedterman who he's essentially Republican. And then the independent guy, what's his name? Senator, but I
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can't remember. Um and then they peeled off the Nevada senator, uh who just didn't believe in shutdowns. Um but I
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don't think they're going to peel anybody else off. I don't think they're peel I I was talking to Tina Smith last week in Minnesota, very centrist, very
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reasonable. She's like, "No way." She She didn't seem lefty to me. She's just like, "This is ridiculous. We're going
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to, you know, this is we're not." She was adamant about the situation. So, I
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don't think they're going to peel anyone. And she would be someone you could peel off presumably. Um, I don't think they'll peel anyone else off. Do
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you? I don't think so. I don't know. These things have a habit of I wouldn't be surprised if they come to some sort of accommodation where the
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Republicans say, "Okay, we'll give you something around we'll give you the something that results in funding for
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these healthcare premiums and we'll pretend that it was already in the bill or something." Yeah. Oh, the Republicans will do that.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think they'll figure out a way because he will own the There's so much
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chaos surrounding the president right now. This has been a bad week for him. I've always I've always pushed back when
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people say, "Oh, he's scenile." I've always said, "I think President Trump comes across as remarkably robust." I
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think he's dumb. I think he's strategically totally inept. I think he goes on rambles on weird [ __ ] But I've
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always thought he presents as robust for the first time. I'm just telling you, go watch some I'll send you some videos because I I'm like,
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it's it's really it reminds me of his father, Fred Fred Trump, who they pretended he was just fine. But we'll
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see. We're not doctors, but Well, hold on. For the first time. Yeah, but we have we have eyes and ears. Yeah.
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Um, you know, if you met my dad in the last year, you would say, "Okay, he should probably not be president." So,
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look, the president last week has had a couple instances. Specifically, the one that sent the shivers down my spine when
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he said, "Oh, so we're sending two submarines. I'm not going to tell you we're off the coast of Russia, and
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there's two nwords, and you can't see either of them." And it's like, Jesus Christ, is this guy lost his [ __ ]
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What am I seeing on TV? Is that real? Anyway, uh we're going to move on. Uh video game maker Electronic Arts is
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being taken private in a deal valued at $55 billion, the largest leverage buyout
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of all time. The investor group includes Saudis, uh the Saudis, uh sovereign wealth fund, private equity firm, Silver
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Lake, Egan Durban, and Jared Kushner's firm Affinity Partners. Obviously, Jared is right in the freaking center of this.
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And also, for people who don't know, NBS loves stays up all night and plays video games apparently. That's what I was told
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by several people who hang with him. Um, the deal requires approval from the Committee on Foreign Investment in the
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US, but it's please, it's going through. It's because it's Jared Kushner. Uh, Scott, you and I predicted in March that
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we would uh would see a deal like this. Let's listen. I bet a lot of these companies may go private. Do you ever see one of the very
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big companies going private? That that is an excellent point. If you look at some of the fallen angels and
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you look at the amount of money capital sitting on the sidelines in private equity, it's over $4 trillion of capital waiting to be deployed. I think we're
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going to see I did my predictions deck yesterday. I think we're going to see the biggest take private in history this year.
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There we have it. We were so smart we called it. What do you think of this deal and others will follow suit? Obviously the players I know Egan pretty
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well. Um obviously Kushner was right in the middle of it because of his his close ties to the Saudis and is getting
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the money from them. Um you know it's a big deal to go private. The guy the company has sort of struggled over the
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years although they have some hits. Um it's run by this Australian guy who's a surfer. He got all tight with um Egan
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and then they have houses next to each other in Hawaii apparently. Um and then they pulled in Kushner obviously who was
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the who was the uh the unent unjuitent here whatever the Greece in this
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particular uh deal. So putting Kushner aside and again the
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Trump and the Democrats are corrupt. They just do it for small ball, right?
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Hunter Biden shouldn't have been on the board of any company. He just shouldn't have been. And but he gets hundreds of
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thousands of dollars and Jared says, "Oh, I know how to be nepo corrupt, but I'm going to do it for billions."
00:24:31
Yeah. And and not only that, he hasn't done anything illegal. He's raised money on the back of his father's influence, and
00:24:38
he's doing it he's doing a big deal. These deals are not easy to get done. So, congratulations to him. This is a
00:24:44
smart deal. Um, first off, essentially the Gulf is desperately trying to
00:24:49
diversify away from a fossil fuel economy and they know that the oil runs out. They're not sure if it's 30 years
00:24:55
or 80 years, but they basically got the bad news is they have to diversify away from this fossil fuel economy. The good
00:25:02
news is they have almost limitless capital to do it. So gaming, which is bigger than the TV and motion picture
00:25:08
industries combined, uh doesn't nearly get the amount of attention it deserves, is a huge
00:25:14
industry. It's intellectual property. It would invite a new generation of young people. The other companies they have
00:25:19
investments in are better in mobile. And also since 2020, the gaming industry
00:25:25
stocks have underperformed the market. They have. That is and so this thing was I don't want to say was on sale but what you have with
00:25:31
Electronic Arts is they're kind of dominant in the old world and that is consoles and handsets and you go buy a
00:25:38
game. The future is around mobile and free games. And when you look at the
00:25:43
amount of time that young people who are very attractive consumers, especially
00:25:48
young men, spend on video games relative to the advertising they capture. There's
00:25:53
an enormous remember those graphs, those charts we used to see that would show uh
00:25:58
people spend 7% of their time reading newspapers and it newspapers get 19% of
00:26:05
ad dollars and people spend 30% of their time on the internet but it's only getting 4% of ad dollars. This is like
00:26:11
20 years ago. You knew that eventually they would uh calibrate to the time
00:26:17
spent. Essentially, ad dollars effectively lag but eventually catch up to where attention is. The big
00:26:24
opportunity and and uh uh the kingdom has some investments in companies that
00:26:30
are really good with mobile and free. The company had underperformed. It diversifies the un the the economy in
00:26:38
the Gulf. I like it because I think it brings us closer together. I really, you know, my bet and hope is that the
00:26:44
kingdom goes capitalist and continues to party in Mkos as opposed to goes going
00:26:50
Islamist and fundamentalist, which the older folks leadership want. So, I like this deal. I think it I think it kind of
00:26:56
works for everybody. EA has always we've had the heads of EA at my various conferences years ago and years ago and
00:27:02
they were always sort of struggling in the digital age like you know I mean obviously video games are digital on on
00:27:09
some level but it was always like they moved from executive to executive they
00:27:15
had a lot of executive you know sturd over at that company and
00:27:20
the question is where is are they going to be able to compete with the ones from China the ones from um from all over the
00:27:27
world, Japan and everywhere else. And I think they've always had an issue with that. And so they definitely need the
00:27:33
money, right, in order to try to reassert themselves. But they kind of remind me, I know it sounds crazy, but
00:27:39
like of a broadcast like CBS, like what are you going to do with this piece of [ __ ] Like Ellison,
00:27:45
oh no, no, because they were older. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying EA always had always seemed
00:27:51
behind the eightball constantly compared to especially China or any of the other
00:27:57
many video uh Korea all the all the different places where really
00:28:02
interesting innovations were happening. No. Okay. So, I would just say that kind
00:28:07
of try and personalize this or humanize it. I would say EA is Tom Brady and that okay, maybe it's not winning Super
00:28:13
Bowls, but it's young and it's strong and it's vibrant. M um CBS is Tom Jones. I mean, awesome in
00:28:20
the 70s, sexy in the 70s, but you know,
00:28:25
on his final, you know, on the back nine. By the way, I love Tom Jones. Yeah, I'm just looking at their games.
00:28:31
What's up, pussycat? Whoa. They have the They have all the sports stuff, which does that guy's a genius.
00:28:37
Yeah, they have fif whatever. They had Madden. Sexiest Welshman alive. Madden was their big but their sports were are the
00:28:44
biggest most important games and that does dovetail into the Saudis with their investments in sports and like live golf
00:28:50
and it's a great it's a great take private and there it hits strategic priorities.
00:28:56
What's the next thing for the next one? Well, that's my big prediction at the end of the show. I'm excited about it. Oh, wait. Okay. All right. Um Okay,
00:29:03
let's go on a quick break. When we come back, OpenAI's new video app is stirring up copyright concerns. What a surprise.
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[Music] Scott, we're back with more news. OpenAI
00:30:14
is taking uh on Tik Tok, Reals, and YouTube with a new AI video generator app, Sora 2. The app will feature user
00:30:21
generated clips and feeds uh with algorithmdriven recommendations. Notably, Sword 2 will not will include
00:30:26
copyrighted content unless copyright holders opt out. What a what a [ __ ]
00:30:31
set of what? Anyway, OpenAI has been notifying studios and talent agencies about that over the last week. They're
00:30:38
losing their minds, obviously. Meta also just introduced Vibes, a feed of AI generated videos that will live in the
00:30:44
Meta AI app. You know, a lot of it is AI slap slop. Some of it is funny. Gavin
00:30:49
Newsome has been making fantastic Sora um or different AI generated videos
00:30:55
making fun of Trump and Vance and everything else which are quite good. But talk about the the copyright opt out
00:31:01
and and Disney just for separately sent character a cease and desist letter to
00:31:06
stop using its copyrighted characters without authorization. Talk a little bit about this. What what what will happen
00:31:12
here? Well, I I just want to send a message to
00:31:18
um you know, Sundur and Satcha and Sam.
00:31:25
I opt out. Take this as notice. I'm opting out. Do not crawl my [ __ ] Of
00:31:31
course. Of course. If I want to play, if I want to use someone else's likeness or
00:31:37
if I want to I if I want to start playing I I don't know, you know, if I
00:31:43
want to start reproducing I'm in my gym right now and I'm looking at my weights and they say Rogue. If I wanted to start
00:31:48
in China producing plates that said Rogue on them, does Rogue have to call me before and say they're opting out of
00:31:55
IP protection? No. There's no such thing. The whole point of IP is people don't have the time to do a letter to
00:32:02
everybody and say we opt out. Why do you This reminds me of remember YouTube kind of played this game and
00:32:08
then later did the deals. They just went ahead and did it and then remember they said you have to find your stolen
00:32:13
content and tell us remember that one many years ago. Well, this is this is the dynamic at play and that is these
00:32:20
companies with a leadership position that is helped by ignoring laws by
00:32:26
starting your ride hailing hap in Argentina without going through the the the bureaucratic process of getting
00:32:32
business licenses. By showing that kind of growth in this market, you make so much [ __ ] money that it's worth it to
00:32:40
face the legal ramifications. So, they've done the math and they've said, "If we can maintain the kind of
00:32:47
growth we're going to have by molesting other people's IP, even if it eventually
00:32:52
gets swatted down in court, we'll have more than enough money. We're better off economically." It's the It's the analogy
00:32:58
I've been using for 10 years. When there's a parking meter in front of your house and it costs $100 an hour, but the
00:33:05
ticket is 50, you break the law. And that's what they're doing here. They're
00:33:10
saying they know this will eventually work its way through courts. The biggest
00:33:15
IP owners in the world will hit them hard and they will start paying. Similar to what YouTube has mostly done. YouTube
00:33:22
used to be able to put anything on your videos, a Beyonce song to start it, whatever. They did. Yeah. And now they have said, "Okay." And
00:33:30
they've done these deals just about the moment it became after they spent hundreds of millions of dollars pushing
00:33:36
back open. Sam has already said, "Oh my gosh, take a billion dollars and give it to the meanest, baddest lawyers and
00:33:42
delay an obuscate which will a decision which will clearly come down against us because between now and then and any fee
00:33:50
they come up with, we're going to get another quarter of a trillion dollars in market cap by offering funny funny memes of the Family
00:33:57
Guy starring in a Star Wars film with Darth Vader. And everyone will have their hair on fire, but by the time they
00:34:03
actually get a judge to say, "No, you can't do this," they'll have accreated another$1 or $150 million.
00:34:10
Exactly. This is such This was the sort of the YouTube playbook. And I remember when YouTube said, "You need to find your stuff and tell us." I was like,
00:34:16
"Why don't you not create a thieving service?" Like, "You have to tell us who's shoplifting." You know, we've
00:34:22
given them shoplifting tools, but it was really astonishing. and and the the idea
00:34:27
that they all of them the character AI there's Disney stuff on there's
00:34:32
so many so much copyright thievery happening again and they just they do it over and over again and it's sort of
00:34:38
like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown with the media companies I mean ultimately again this has to be stronger
00:34:45
copyright protections in Congress presumably um but it's really quite astonishing that they continue to have
00:34:51
this much cheek you know they're thieves they're they're years ago Walt Mos called Facebook and Google and all of
00:34:59
them rapacious information thieves and they and we let's add open AI to that
00:35:04
list. Um, one good thing they did after being after people died, um, they rolled
00:35:10
out some parental controls this week allowing parents to adjust settings on their teens account and they'll also be
00:35:15
notified if an account shows signs of potential self harm. Let's see how well they do that. Uh, I can't believe they
00:35:22
didn't do that in the first [ __ ] place, but there they are. There they are. Now, in this genre, a lot of people
00:35:28
in Hollywood are also up in arms over AI generated quote unquote actress that some talent agencies reportedly looking
00:35:34
to sign. Anyway, she's she's a very attractive actress and looks very real and they sort of must have crafted her
00:35:40
out of a bunch of appealing actresses. Um, her name's Tilly Norwood and she's
00:35:46
she's she's really quite appealing. I I have to agree. And so they're going crazy cuz they they they didn't make it
00:35:52
out of anybody, but it looks like they made it out of all of them. But you're in the AI mix right now. I the I'm I'm
00:35:58
disturbed by AI Scott Galloway picture that you sent me. You partnered with Google Labs for a new project called
00:36:04
Portraits. They created an AI version of you to answer your questions and provide life and career advice. Let's listen to
00:36:10
this AI Scott answer a question. Hey, it's Pop G. Ready to get started?
00:36:16
I got a good job offer, but it's in a random town. What should I do?
00:36:22
A job offer in a random town. That's a classic fork in the road. What kind of job is it? And what are your career
00:36:28
goals long term? Oh, wow. You sound so not you, but you
00:36:33
kind of you adjacent. So, talk about this. How are you feeling about it? Uh, well, I'm I'm genuine. I I I want
00:36:40
your view on this because quite frankly how I feel about it has changed dramatically about I get between 10 and
00:36:46
30 emails a day from usually thoughtful young men sometimes mothers asking for
00:36:51
mostly professional and career advice or sometimes investment advice. You know I'm 30. Am I too old to go back to
00:36:58
business school? I have gotten into this school with a full ride but the better school is not giving me money. What
00:37:03
should I do? How do I ask for a raise? Those kinds of questions. And they're usually really thoughtful young men who
00:37:08
take a lot of time to write to me and uh I can't get back to all of them. I can't get back to 1% of them.
00:37:13
And you feel bad. You feel bad. Yeah. You don't know. You don't want to do an automatic response. You feel like you're ignoring them. I'm constantly
00:37:20
virtue signaling about trying to help young men and then some young man takes a ton of time. Yeah. I don't respond to people under
00:37:26
the age of 18 because I think men should not have a not for, you know, not for
00:37:32
anything terrible, but parents should decide what the influences are uh uh in
00:37:37
terms of their kids' life. Anyways, so about 18 months ago, we built a thin
00:37:43
layer of innovation on top of an LLM and created Profai and it answered about two or 30 hunds a day. We thought it was
00:37:50
really cool. And then about nine months ago, a woman who is my one of my
00:37:55
graduate student instructors at uh Stern, who is just so impressive, I'd
00:38:01
use her name, but I don't want to get her in trouble. She's just an incredibly impressive, competent person, came to me
00:38:06
and said, "We can do this, but much better. We at Google Labs, we're going to launch a series of thought leaders to
00:38:14
answer questions." Uh there's no money involved. So, it's an AI master class essentially,
00:38:19
right? So it's the idea is that people who want to answer questions and that you might get some benefit from understanding how they feel about things
00:38:25
but you don't have access to them and it's with from Google labs. Uh I felt
00:38:31
sort of funny in the beginning about working with Alphabet but I really trust this person and think a lot of her they they ingested all your things. So
00:38:38
they they crawled every podcast, every newsletter, every public appearance and
00:38:44
created a visual of me and I actually think the voice is is okay such that you can ask this thing almost anything and
00:38:50
we spent a lot of time on safeguards. No one under 18, no advice around mental health. The truth is uh since we started
00:38:57
working on this I've become increasingly concerned even freaked out about AI
00:39:02
companions and synthetic relationships. one, uh, I have a nightmare that I wake
00:39:08
up and find out that some kid hurt himself and he had a series of AI companions, including one with me. I
00:39:14
just don't I would never want to read that. two, on a more or on a less
00:39:19
macatious level, I'm worried that if I created an ability to have a dialogue
00:39:25
with me that it might someday reduce a young man's motivation and mojo to
00:39:31
establish mentorships in the real world, with real men, with real a teacher, uh their dad's
00:39:38
friend, their scout leader, whatever it is. And so the thing launched. I said to
00:39:44
him, "Look, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with this. I don't know how to reconcile it. I I worry that
00:39:51
synthetic relationships are attacking what's mimalia about us, especially among young men."
00:39:57
And I just I I I So what happens to it? They So they ingested it. Do you still have the rights to your things? Like they just
00:40:03
you're lending it to them? What What is the situation? So, one thing I built in
00:40:09
was that I can take it down at any time. And what I said to them is I said, "Let's launch it for 12 hours and look
00:40:15
at the data because I don't want this out there. I'm just" And quite frankly, Cara, the interview you did with the
00:40:21
parents who lost their son really rattled me and I am increasingly
00:40:27
uncomfortable with synthetic relationships doing anything that replace a young man's mojo to find
00:40:33
relationships in the real world. So, let me ask you a sort of a bigger question. Some of the stuff they're making with AI
00:40:39
to me is solving problems that aren't that big, right? I know you can't get to
00:40:44
everybody, right? And I get that. I get that you want to reach out to more people and you want people to have avail
00:40:49
themselves to your wisdom, etc. But it seems like a lot of this stuff they're making is not problems we have like, you
00:40:57
know, and I and I and I think it's hurting problems that we have with what you're just talking about is men. men
00:41:04
especially making mentorship relationships kind of thing. And so what
00:41:09
are we solving here by doing this except for you feel guilty about not being able to get back to all the young men? Is it
00:41:15
a real is that the real biggest problem to use all this technology, all this effort? I mean, do you see it as ever
00:41:22
being a good thing except maybe working out? I guess I guess a better Google,
00:41:27
right? I think there's more upside. I think if you're 85 and in a state or county
00:41:33
senior's home and you've lost the capability to communicate and all your friends are dead and you've lost for
00:41:39
whatever reason you're estranged from your family and you want to talk to someone about the Packers. It's almost an age thing for me. I think
00:41:45
over 80 let character AI let them have at it cuz quite frankly the downside's not that great. Anyone under the age of
00:41:51
18 shouldn't be on a character AI. And I have slowly but surely come to believe that these synthetic relationships have
00:41:58
more downside than upside. I would agree. I would agree. Let me just interject. I just did an interview
00:42:03
with Sher Turkl, very famous MIT um um psych psych I think she's a psychiatrist
00:42:10
and she's done a lot on this has been talking about artificial relationships for a long time and sort of everything
00:42:15
is now which she had predicted has come home to roost. And one of the things she was noting is it used to be sort of an
00:42:20
outlier people did these relationships. She goes now it's at the dead center. She has friends who are having trouble
00:42:26
with their husbands or wives that are having you know relationship problems etc.
00:42:31
And they spin up their best gay friend to give them advice. Right. Except that what what it does is say women have issues with men not
00:42:38
listening to them or not being sensitive enough. So now you got a sensitive man talking to you and men have issues.
00:42:44
We aren't folks. We have we all have to learn how to deal with it. That's right. So she was talking about
00:42:49
so and men like a very acquiescent female that which is why getting back to Tilly Norwood she is she is exactly what
00:42:56
Hollywood studios want an actress who doesn't get old and doesn't act up right or doesn't start to demand things. And
00:43:03
so what Cherry was saying the one thing that I thought was interesting and I love your observations there's no there there. It's not there's nothing behind
00:43:10
it except for stuff you inputed. Right. So you're not there Scott as Scott AI.
00:43:17
It's not you really. You know, I think you would react if someone asked you a general question is one thing, but a
00:43:24
more complex question. It just doesn't you you shift and move as a person and
00:43:30
this doesn't and there's no there there. I don't Well, okay. So, I don't think I don't
00:43:36
think it's that there isn't a there there. A repository of all of Peter Ati
00:43:41
or Andrew Huberman's advice on creatine for women versus men. There's access.
00:43:47
There's there's and these are neuroscientists who are thoughtful and I think fairly measured. There's value in
00:43:54
having access to that put in sort of a narrative format. I do think there's an upside. However, however, I see the
00:44:00
downside is that, and I'll be snarky here, women
00:44:06
are constantly saying they want a more sensitive man. Well, that just leaves two people in the car crying in a
00:44:11
parallel parking spot that is still empty. And that's snarky. But here's the
00:44:16
bottom line. It's true. I've been in that car. The most rewarding things in life,
00:44:22
hands down, come from navigating friction,
00:44:27
figuring out [ __ ] and then the victory of doing really hard things. And there's
00:44:35
nothing harder than having relationships. And that's what's so wonderful about them, right?
00:44:41
Interesting. When you figure out a way to come together with someone and decide you want to have kids with them, when
00:44:46
you figure out a way to get your kid off screens and come to some sort of agreement, when you figure out the
00:44:52
pecking order of high school and establish your your your crew and your friends,
00:44:58
when you figure out how to how to navigate all the [ __ ] and frustration and bureaucracy of work, the
00:45:05
end is we're mamalia. And that's what real [ __ ] victory is. So, what are you going to do with this thing? Are you going to kill it?
00:45:11
This is where I am today. I had them pull it down after 12 hours. And by the way, Google Ads could not have been more
00:45:20
cooperative. Well, empathetic. You're you have a loud platform, but go ahead. Yeah, but they're they've been they
00:45:27
spent a lot of time on this and it launched yesterday and I'm just and we were gonna let it go for a little bit to
00:45:33
look at the data and I looked at it and I thought I'm just not down with this. I
00:45:38
just I've got a bad feeling about this and I emailed I text messaged my friend there last
00:45:46
night and she said I'll pull it down right now. All right. Okay. Well, that that's what we're going to do. Can you send it to me
00:45:51
so I can hang out with you all the time? Can I have it? So, you can yell at it. Yell at it. Ah, you know, here's the
00:45:56
thing. I don't like Scott AI. I like Scott. That's how I feel about it. And I I think it's a really I you know, the
00:46:03
only thing I would think about years ago, Martha Stewart said she was going to start Marth AI. Get it? put an I at the end of her name. And I thought,
00:46:09
okay, for stuff like that, like how to boil an egg, how to make mashed potatoes, that makes perfect sense.
00:46:15
Robo advisers are basically synthetic. Right. Exactly. Stock brokers. Right. Exactly. And those make those
00:46:21
kind of things, cooking tips, things like that make sense. Although I do like a good chef talking about cooking. I
00:46:28
just I think you're you made the right decision. I think you made the right decision. Well, I I find most life lessons come
00:46:34
from Twilight Zone, the old series. Yeah, which by the way is the first time I ever saw Robert Redford that great
00:46:40
episode. But remember that episode where this guy, this criminal is shot and he goes
00:46:46
to heaven and he's in heaven and every woman he approaches says yes and wants
00:46:52
to date him. And when he goes up to the blackjack table, it's blackjack every time and he there's huge lines to get
00:46:58
into the hottest restaurants and they're like right in this way, sir. And he starts getting sick of winning all the
00:47:04
time. And he says, he says, "Come on, guys. This is supposed to be heaven." And the guy turns and goes, "My brother,
00:47:10
this is not heaven." That's the point. Oh, mind blown. Oh, I love Twilight
00:47:16
Zone. That's the point. Yeah, that's the point. The greatest yeses in your life involve
00:47:22
one thing, a [ __ ] ton of nos. Yeah, that's the whole shoot. Could they make Scott AI be more of an
00:47:28
[ __ ] like so that it's more like regular life. I'm getting there organically. I'm getting there.
00:47:34
That's what they have to do like h what and tell a dick joke suddenly. Anyway, Scott, let's go on a quick break now and
00:47:39
when we get back we'll talk about uh Heg Seth uh declaring the military free from wokeness and body shaming generals.
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00:48:41
Scott, we're back with more news. Defense Secretary Pete Heg held nothing back while addressing senior military I
00:48:47
don't even want to talk officials in Virginia this week. Let's listen to some of his. And I have to say it was a crazy
00:48:53
rant by someone who has moved on to other substances. It felt like Go ahead. If the Secretary of War can do regular
00:49:00
hard PT, so can every member of our joint force.
00:49:05
Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops.
00:49:13
Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon and leading
00:49:18
commands around the country and the world. It's a bad look. It is bad and it's not who we are.
00:49:23
Trump followed the sentiment. Let's listen to a clip. Someone who happens to be actually fat. Go ahead.
00:49:29
You can do anything you want and if you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room because there goes your rank, there goes your future.
00:49:37
That was one of the few laughs the generals were looked horrified by the entire thing. Uh the president also suggested military use quote dangerous
00:49:44
US cities as quote training grounds and told reporters of the White House that he would fire generals on the spot if he
00:49:51
didn't like them. Um wow that was a real disaster I have to say. Um they did the
00:49:56
the the visuals from the from the from the top uh military leadership were sort
00:50:01
of set it all and of course they leaked the hell out of the thing. Also he says focus on looks and outfits. They were
00:50:08
expecting a strategic discussion about US military forces around the world. Instead, they got a rant by someone who
00:50:15
was a lower ranking person and someone who was a fivetime draft dodger about
00:50:21
how to run the military but focused only on on looks. Uh essentially, let me tell
00:50:26
you one other thing someone else told me was that um the reason he did this and he it was all from Hegsth because he is
00:50:33
considering a presidential run which I thought was insane when I heard it. Um
00:50:39
and that that people other forces who are not so keen on Pete Hex running for
00:50:44
president and think it's ridiculous got Trump to go to try to ruin his mojo there. Um, I thought it was hugely
00:50:51
embarrassing um for for everybody, especially the military which had to sit there and and put up with it. Any quick
00:50:58
thoughts? There has never been possibly in history a room with more competence, bravery,
00:51:07
uh, honor, humility in one room than there was in that room.
00:51:13
It was a security risk to have them in one place. You don't think there was GRU
00:51:19
and CCP taking photographs and saying these are the most let's find their
00:51:24
let let's find what devices are on their kids their movements that that was
00:51:30
just a stupid security risk and for a guy who was I mean first off I'm very
00:51:37
into fitness I get it there is no to to hold a general who served
00:51:44
honorably probably in Vietnam as an 18-year-old who has who has overseen
00:51:51
combat. Okay, Pete, I want to see what you look like at 65.
00:51:57
I mean, the notion that he has any license
00:52:02
being demeaning to that room is literally
00:52:07
is laughable. And all of this [ __ ] around, you know, I I get it, beards, whatever.
00:52:16
this that's supposed to attack uh uh people of men of especially men of color. Some men have issues with with um shaving,
00:52:23
but go ahead. It's so performative. It's so It's so stupid. It It doesn't result. It It
00:52:30
makes us weaker. And you have it. You're You're talking
00:52:36
to the He's a [ __ ] He was a major. I know. Which means if he had been much better and spent another 20 years
00:52:43
in the armed services, he might have been able to pack the bags for the people who ended up in that room.
00:52:48
Yeah. To to lecture these people on leadership and what they need to be do.
00:52:54
Meaningless things. It wasn't even on strategy. It wasn't on our position in the world. It isn't, you
00:53:00
know, if he had said, "Now we're going to be this." Instead, it's all performative. The other part is him
00:53:05
talking them about being individualistic. This guy, there's not more of a fop in that cabinet than this
00:53:11
guy. He's got funny socks. He's got weird things on the inside of his jackets. He's got tattoos. He's wears
00:53:17
the stupid glasses. This guy is one speaking of individualistic, this guy just relishes in it. And to act like
00:53:24
he's some like paradigm is kind of [ __ ] rid. He's such a ridiculous
00:53:29
performative clown. And the fact that he's thinking of running for president, I mean, oh my. And this was what he was
00:53:36
using this. He was wasting taxpayer money to give himself a shine up and he ended up looking like a a clown.
00:53:42
The the two the two features that just were are always president present in a
00:53:49
room of leadership from our armed services are one competence. These
00:53:54
people are literally charged with deploying lethal force in a thoughtful way. And they're responsible for a ton
00:54:01
of young men and women's well-being as it intersects with some of the most
00:54:06
complicated supply chain technology, geopolitics in the world. And these people figure out a way to do it. From a
00:54:12
young age, I I one of my roommates was Rosi. by the, you know, I'm 24 doing
00:54:19
[ __ ] PowerPoint decks talking, you know, PowerPoint deck decks talking about taking over some some
00:54:25
refrigeration company in Wisconsin and my friend was commanding, 1200 19 year olds. I mean, the these people,
00:54:34
they one demonstrate competence and then the second key feature which these people do not demonstrate in any fashion
00:54:40
on stage is humility. They don't brag. They don't They don't, you know, and and
00:54:47
the other thing that the armed services represents, and it's not to say it hasn't had it problems around racism,
00:54:52
but it's been an enormous means of lifting up people based on character and competence. There's nothing that there's
00:54:59
nothing that melts away racism and homophobia like being in a foxhole where
00:55:05
both of your lives are under threat. All you care about is the competence and the character of the man or the woman next
00:55:11
to you. You're not thinking, "Well, I don't like Puerto Ricans." And so, the armed services have been an amazing
00:55:17
means of creating equality and progressive advancement. And then when you have these guys up there with this
00:55:23
sort of like this you need to be fit and you can't have they bring out, you know, I said fat boy
00:55:29
and little man bombed, right? I I do I I got to be honest. I do agree with one thing. I think in combat the
00:55:36
standard should be gender gender neutral. I think if you're applying to be in a combat position, you have to
00:55:41
qualify be able to by being able to drag somebody 90 ft if they're wounded. I get that. But the reality is today's combat
00:55:48
happen is more about it's like I think I would bet less than 2%
00:55:53
of our armed services. And you know who are also warriors? The man or the woman that agrees to get in
00:55:58
the driver's seat and drive a [ __ ] fuel tank across a highway of IEDs. That's correct. I mean, the whole thing
00:56:04
is it was such an embarrassment. And listen, President Pete, you're not going to be the Pete that's president. It'll
00:56:10
be Oh, let's hope he's the Republican nominee. Let's pray that he's the Republican. If he runs president on the
00:56:18
Republican side, I will donate money to his campaign. Oh my god. Cuz that means the next president is
00:56:24
going to be literally he makes Sarah Palin look smart. Anyway, lastly, he it was such a disaster of you, Pete, and I you got
00:56:30
totally they they shoved other people who don't agree that you should get this little fancy shine up shoved. There was
00:56:37
a whole mination happening among Republicans on how Trump ended up there, who also, by the way, when he said
00:56:43
cities should be used as training grounds, that is dangerous and scary and ridiculous. And I'm sure those military
00:56:50
people all thought that. Um just as long as he doesn't use the N-word. Oh, I know. Yeah. Don't use the god.
00:56:57
Um, YouTube, uh, lastly, YouTube will settle a lawsuit over banning President Trump's account for over $24 million.
00:57:03
YouTube banned Trump's account in 2021 after January 6 and reinstated it, uh, later. Uh, the settlement funds will go
00:57:10
to building the new White House ballroom, which so ridiculous. As a reminder, other big tech companies have done the same with similar lawsuits with
00:57:17
Meta settling for 25 million and X settling for 10 million. Um, oh god, why
00:57:22
are they settling? They did nothing wrong at the time. It was very dangerous and they reinstated. It was the right
00:57:27
decision at the moment. Uh they shouldn't be paying off these bribes. That's what they are. They're bribes. I
00:57:32
don't know your thoughts. Yeah, I keep waiting for someone just to hold the line and say no. I mean, all it
00:57:37
means is they're going to they're going to come back again. You're setting a really terrible precedent. I don't I
00:57:44
mean these companies are the same companies that fight people tooth and nail when their 15year-old gets uh gets
00:57:53
serve content that encourages suicidal ideiation and self harm. They'll go to the mat for that [ __ ] But when it comes
00:58:00
to the president being butth hurt about something that was said, they'll settle for tens of millions of dollars.
00:58:05
Ridiculous. They look like such toadies. They look like toadies. These anxious right down to Cindar Pai. I like Senator
00:58:12
Pai, but Sindar, you're an embarrassment at this moment to me. I have to say, I've known you for many years, and I
00:58:18
know you don't care what I think, but gh just really I I get your little pro. You should have held out. You'd have looked
00:58:24
smarter. Um, all right, Scott, one more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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00:59:17
Okay, Scott, let's hear that prediction. I'm curious who you think's going private. How interesting. What's a fallen angel?
00:59:23
Well, we we talked about this. My picks were, and this isn't my prediction, but there's just some really big iconic
00:59:30
companies that have a lot of IP and revenue that probably should be either acquired or taken private. Bo, my
00:59:36
favorites were Boeing, Intel, and Target. But I think
00:59:41
you're about to see, and we predicted this, uh, by the way, the our prediction at the end of beginning of this year was
00:59:47
that M&A was about to boom again, and it was in a deep thaw at the beginning of the year. What do the investment banks
00:59:53
announce? Record M&A. So the universe of companies that Palunteer can potentially acquire right now has gone up a
00:59:59
thousandx. Yeah. It's if you don't do it, you're stupid, right? Their banker can show up. Well, when you're trading at 100 times revenues,
01:00:06
anything you acquire that's trading at less than 100 times revenues, which is every company on the planet, is accreative to your earnings. The way I
01:00:12
would describe it is if your stock doubles, then effectively everything else has become 50% less expensive.
01:00:19
And I think we're gonna see a titanic acquisition
01:00:25
or merger from Netflix. I think there are so many existential threats clouds
01:00:32
forming around Netflix right now with some of this. I mean Sam Alman putting
01:00:37
out these um kind of AIdriven videos and saying it's so you can communicate with
01:00:44
your friends and family. Yeah, that is a lie. He's doing this and trying to pretend it's friendly such
01:00:49
that every Hollywood producer starts going Jesus Christ why can't we start producing films for 3 million instead of
01:00:56
300 million. Yeah. So, I think there's some real existential threats to a stock that is
01:01:03
now worth, you know, I don't know, 440 billion or it that stock uh by the way,
01:01:09
one of my great investments, I bought Netflix at um 12 bucks a share. Um it's now at
01:01:16
1146. The part of the story I left out is I sold it at $10 a share to take the
01:01:21
tax loss and never bought back in. But basically Netflix now has a four almost
01:01:26
a half a trillion dollar market cap and I think they face some real threats. They need to do something. Yeah.
01:01:32
Well, the merger the gangster merger of the ages would be the following. Tell me.
01:01:38
Uh Netflix and Disney. Oh, I love because look at it's very synergistic.
01:01:44
First of all, and Ted could run Disney. How fantastic. Ding ding ding ding. Yeah. So there's this co-CEO,
01:01:51
this guy named Greg Peters. I saw him speak at Canon. I thought, Jesus Christ, this guy is so bright. He is bright. So, by the way, let me
01:01:58
note a woman who's at the top of that business. Bella Bajario is doing all the programming. Amazing.
01:02:04
They have an outstanding and then Ted Sarandos is like built in a factory of lesser
01:02:10
from parts of lesser CEOs. He is so good. I I saw him on stage recently and
01:02:16
they asked him these really pointed questions. Yeah, I like Ted. Well, first off, he has the primary
01:02:21
competence of any great CEO and that is he has outstanding hair. Yeah, he has good hair. He has very good hair.
01:02:27
Good with talent. He's good with talent. Good with talent. Smart. Not afraid of anybody. Any question, he handles it.
01:02:33
The guy literally reeks a plume. Anyway, Disney
01:02:39
Disney's leadership right now is Neville Chamberlain in a cashmere sweater minus the dignity, right? That's their and who
01:02:46
the [ __ ] And then the number two is a woman who's gotten dragged down by the Kimmel [ __ ] They are desperate for
01:02:51
leadership. What does Netflix what is what does Disney have that is
01:02:56
absolutely singular and can't be threatened by open AI? has the parks and cruise lines, but the IP at the parks,
01:03:04
Cinderella and Darth Vader are getting tired. Stranger Things Wednesday. Can you
01:03:12
imagine a Stranger Things ride at Disney? Amazing. Hunting wives, the whole
01:03:17
lesbian ride for me. Yeah. G the streaming market. Yeah.
01:03:22
You have Netflix and Disney. It's over. Hulu's in there. Remember,
01:03:27
you have you have Disney geographic is in there. It's over. Over. I love it. It would give them such
01:03:33
heft. They own They would own place-based entertainment and they would own streaming media.
01:03:38
Yeah. They would own cruises, parks, and and also Netflix is going into live events, too. Also comedy. Comedy. They
01:03:45
own comedy. It solves it solves their leadership problem. Yeah. We love this would be anyways 220 210 billion or
01:03:53
200 billion Disney 450 billion Netflix. Netflix would own, call it, 70% of the
01:03:59
combined companies. This would be the first trillion dollar play entertainment. Will it get passed by by
01:04:06
Well, that's the thing. It might now. It might now. Yeah. Or maybe my point is they can't if there's a they
01:04:11
couldn't have done it seven months ago. Pretty democratic. Remember, Ted's pretty like down Democratic highway. So,
01:04:17
but my point is as soon as there's under Biden, it couldn't happen. And if there's another Democratic
01:04:23
administration, it won't be allowed to happen. Can I add something to you? This is the window. Let me add something to your deal. Snapchat.
01:04:29
Pick up Snapchat. Snap's Snap's probably more trouble than it's worth. Not really. It's like a great system. They could shove all kinds of [ __ ] on
01:04:35
it. Like, why not own it? Like the way Ellison owns Tik Tok. Kids and it's I don't It is. So is Disney.
01:04:42
No, but there's not a feature. There's not a feature. Put it on your on your in your saucepan.
01:04:48
There's not a feature on on Disney Channel that lets you see people around you. The drug users the drug dealers are
01:04:53
using. Just telling you it's it's the it's the cleanest of all of them. People don't people don't go on the matter horn and start self cutting. Snap
01:05:00
is Snap has got real issues. I don't think they want near it. I don't think Ted Sarandos would want anyone. I'm just
01:05:06
saying they'll get on a social platform, too. Okay. All right. I'm just saying put it put it in the popcorn maker.
01:05:11
Think about it. Think about Tesla and Snapchat. Um Okay. Uh that was a great prediction. This feels like your Whole
01:05:17
Foods one. I like it. I love it. And I think it's has to happen. I'm going to tell Ted to do it. Okay. Um, we want to
01:05:23
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01:06:00
Um anyway, before we go, I just want to mention legendary conservationist Jane Goodall, who died this week at age 91. I
01:06:07
had the opportunity to speak to her back in 2020. Let's listen to a brief portion of that interview. I will never ever
01:06:14
believe that the way for change is confrontation and aggression because
01:06:20
people change when you reach the heart and so you know when people ask me what
01:06:26
do you do when you meet somebody who's behaving in a way that you really dislike or something try and find a
01:06:33
connection maybe they have a dog or a cat or a horse or a child or something
01:06:39
just for one minute if you have a short time to talk to them. Event stories tell
01:06:45
stories. Oh, what a what an amazing woman. What an amazing life. What an amazing life. Be Jane Goodall,
01:06:52
everybody. She just was I love that interview. It was fantastic. Anyway, Scott, by the way, you've been fantastic
01:06:58
today. I don't know what's in your wedies, but very fine. Yeah,
01:07:03
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01:07:10
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