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What's Behind the Internet's Fascination with Luigi Mangione? | Pivot

December 13, 2024 / 11:32

This episode discusses the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson by 26-year-old Luigi Mangion, exploring Mangion's online presence and societal reactions.

Luigi Mangion, previously a typical tech worker, stopped communicating with friends and family six months before the incident. His online activity raised no alarms prior to the shooting, which has led to speculation about his mental state.

The conversation shifts to the public's reaction, including the creation of merchandise and fanfiction surrounding Mangion. The hosts express concern over how society has responded to the tragedy.

They highlight the issues within the healthcare system, discussing the high costs and the influence of profit motives on healthcare access. The hosts argue that the focus should be on systemic problems rather than the individual actions of Mangion.

Overall, the episode critiques the healthcare industry's failures and the societal implications of income inequality, suggesting that this incident reflects a broader revolutionary sentiment against the 1%.

TL;DR

The episode examines the murder of a CEO by a tech worker and critiques the healthcare system's failures and societal reactions.

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anyway let's get to our first big story
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one of the biggest stories this week
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obviously Luigi mangion the 26-year old
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man charged with the murder of United
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Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson there's a
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lot of information out there about his
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online presence everyone's digging for
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Clues there's been stories about whether
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that means anything or not I think the
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best story I read was about him being
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kind of a typical Tech bro if if he
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hadn't shot this guy he would have
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seemed relatively normal in his
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interests what was your first reaction
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when you started hearing about this guy
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he stopped communicating with friends
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and family about 6 months ago and really
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went offline he was quite an active
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online person like a lot of people his
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age in his sector in the tech sector I
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think he was he worked for true car I
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think he was a video game a ficient auto
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um he did have health issue over the
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last years on Reddit he talked about
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this back problem he had and struggle
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with brain fog John Herman wrote in New
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York Magazine what's most striking about
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the manion's extensive online dossier is
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that had it been studied before the
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shooting took place it wouldn't have
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raised much alarm uh very difficult to
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characterize um
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what do you talk that about that first
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then we'll talk about the reaction from
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people well okay so first reaction is in
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my opinion and you know let me be
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arrogant I think the correct reaction is
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to feel um Sympathy for the family of
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this man who was murdered and then and
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then what I immediately registered was
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everybody decided that they would use
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this event to speculate on what happened
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to confirm their current beliefs so
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people immediately went to um this is
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Justified uh because this is an uprising
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or this is you know the most shocking
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thing about this isn't about the
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murderer I mean that's a tragedy because
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when you're a young High School
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Valedictorian with an engineering and
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computer science degree and master's
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degree respectively from an ivy league
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university and you're handsome and in
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great shape your Li and your life is
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over that's a tragedy as well but the
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reality is any speculation around what
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was going through his head you're just
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getting lost in the soup we have no
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idea we don't know if he had a
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schizophrenic break we don't know if he
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was a Ted kinsky like character who was
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a genius but came off the rail we don't
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know and you know what it it doesn't
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really matter in my opinion as much what
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matters or the most interesting thing
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here is how Society is responded and I I
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can tell you how someone feels about
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this based on with 70 or 80% accuracy
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based on one thing can you afford pretty
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easily health insurance because here's
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some data um 60 % of bankruptcies are
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related to medical debt and the largest
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source of bankruptcy is medical debt we
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pay $1,500 per person for
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pharmaceuticals versus $500 elsewhere
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despite the fact that we manufacture and
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distribute them we spend $133,000 a year
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on Healthcare despite the fact that
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everyone else pays 6,500 we have lower
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Health expectancies people people
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oftentimes compare Healthcare to how I
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would describe San Francisco expensive
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but bad in the US or Healthcare in the
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US
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and you have you have
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essentially again going back to the
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prison system when we have injected a
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for profit motive where the largest
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lobing groups in Washington aren't big
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Tech they aren't the defense industry
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they are the healthc care industry which
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spends three4 of a billion dollars what
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you end up with is despite the fact that
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70% of America supports price caps and
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Universal Health Care it doesn't happen
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yeah it's like gun it's like gun control
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because of the better known as
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our elected Representatives keep letting
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the pharmaceutical and the healthcare
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industrial complex maintain this
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mendacious fak duopoly of sugary shitty
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food from the food industrial complex
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that gets you obese and then hands you
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over to the diabetes industrial complex
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which has created regulatory capture and
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charges too much money to people to die
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slowly this is everyone is obsessed with
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this guy that's wrong everyone is angry
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at CEOs these CEOs of these companies
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are doing what they're supposed to do
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and the thought that they're all of a
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sudden going to reexamine their ethics
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what don't hold your breath folks the
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people who are at fault here are voters
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who have failed to find elected
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representatives who have a backbone and
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start thinking about the tragedy of the
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commons that is healthc care in this
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country yeah but what was interesting
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too is I think this reaction and I think
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this it's borne out from what you're
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saying um it's snowballed since the
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police captured him too this reaction to
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this young man this troubled very
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troubled young man uh people have been
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writing fanfiction Etsy is full of
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merchant merchandise there they call him
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Robin hoodie there's been Spotify uh
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playlists and crypto coins his lawyer
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told s and he's got in office from
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Members the public to pay the Le his
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legal fees um you know this is a just
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just such a a snapshot of where people
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are they just have sort of had it I
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don't know what else to say that and
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then laughing or making fun or
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being less than empathetic is to murder
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victim is
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really terrible but at the same time
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that that man doesn't does isn't a
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person anymore he's the insurance
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industry right that's what he represents
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right and perhaps he is in some ways so
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and just so you know major Insurance
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stocks including United Healthcare have
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fallen more than 6% since they're
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closing prices the day before the
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shooting there may be some Wall Street
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anticipation of moves there's there's
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some moves to United Healthcare for I
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don't know how got a hold of pharmacies
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they loan the money and then in a user
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Usery way and then took control of them
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there there's a bipartisan effort to not
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they should not be owning pharmacies
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they should not be owning hospitals they
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put people out of business um that's an
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astonishing thing I didn't know about um
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so talk about the jism like giving this
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guy a lot of attention and you know um
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making him in kind of as it said this
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folk hero who's not a folk hero um sort
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of an unfortunate folk hero and what's
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going to happen to the insurance
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industry well okay so in my opinion the
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Sol verse Engineers are the same place
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and that is when a nation gets to this
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point of income inequality you have a
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self-correction and that's the good news
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it income inequality always
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self-corrects the bad news is that the
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means or the vehicles of self-correction
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are War famine or Revolution and I would
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argue this is a form of Revolution I
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believe the me too movements and the
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black lives matters movements which both
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had righteous components of them but the
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thing all of these things have in common
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is the following they're going after the
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1% and ly what happens is people decide
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if if there are if the 1% is making more
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money than the bottom 99 at some point
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the bottom 999 figures out the best way
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to double their wealth is to either show
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up and kill these people tell them to
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move out of the country or to shame them
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this is what has happened in Central
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America and Nations all over the world
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throughout modern history and this is a
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form of Revolution when people decide
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when they see that insurance companies
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have a profit motive in denying claims
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when they see insurance companies and
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their shareholders consistently getting
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richer and they also know somebody whose
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wife got lung cancer which meant they
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were going to be bankrupt two years
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later they start to get enraged this is
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a form of revolution in the support for
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this person can I make a comparison
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though I'd love you because like look
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this happens with the shootings all the
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gun we everyone in America wants gun
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control except for a small loud it's
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minority rule the tyranny of minority
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rule right it's it's capture of our
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government by rich people and this is
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what happens in democracies without
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stronger institutions is rich people who
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don't see themselves as bad people and
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they usually are and say let's vote for
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people that will put in place
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regulations and put in place subsidies
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that we get richer and richer and richer
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and at some point people wake up and go
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you know what I've had it and they grab
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their torches and this is a form of that
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this is a form of Revolution and as long
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long as we have elected
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representatives that continue to soak
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the bottom 90 or the bottom 99 I mean do
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you realize how insane our Health Care
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system is right now it really is I I I
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just had I just I Scott knows this I
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when know part of being in San Francisco
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my doctors are all there and I had my
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annual everything and there are a few
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things that needed special tests and the
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struggle I had with the insurance
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company was insane and the doctors just
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shrug they're like we this is how you
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get a literally it was like I felt like
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it was in Russia like remember in the
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old days this is how you get around and
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get the meat for your table right I was
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like what in the world this makes no
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sense these are you know you know and
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I'm sure there's there's abuse of course
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and they're trying to protect against
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abuse and and people trying to trick
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them but most people are just there to
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get tests right like basic it was so
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frustrating I did not go out and kill
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someone let me give you some examples
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here a mother who's taken care of a
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child with childhood diabetes and let's
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be honest it's always a mom she spends
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five months of her year handling that
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child's health care and a lot of it is
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on the phone arguing with insurance
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companies who have a vested interest in
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making friction and difficulty in you
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getting your claims how does she feel
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about this shooting I'm not saying she's
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an evil person and I was on Anderson
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Cooper last night I've essentially
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become everyone's booty call when
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someone cancels they call me and say
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bring him on yeah and Anderson pointed
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out he said I know you canceled your
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health insurance seven years ago and I
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did why because health insurance 45
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cents on the dollar goes to profits and
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administration meaning for every dollar
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you give to health insurance you're
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going to get 55 cents in claims back and
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their job is to make sure it's 54 then
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53 and 52 and might they not make it
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more difficult for you or more reasons
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to cut your anesthesia early or decide
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you're outside of their coverage Zone
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whatever it might be and so what I
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decided was at $50,000 a year which was
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my insurance cuz I'm a narcissist I want
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the goldplated one so I went naked the
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last 7 years I have saved $350,000 in
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health insurance premiums which will buy
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a lot of health care but again this is
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the problem and I want to be very clear
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give me a second here because I don't
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want anyone to interpret this
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incorrectly I not suggesting that lower
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middle- inome people ever give up their
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health insurance but the reason I can do
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it is because I'm wealthy enough that I
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can absorb any health emergency so this
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is yet another transfer of wealth from
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lower and middle- income people who
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cannot take the risks I can take and I
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can opt out of this usurous ridiculously
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expensive regulatory capture
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infrastructure called the health
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insurance system we need to take
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Medicare it's at 65 now lower the age
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limit every year and essentially we need
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Universal healthare Medicare for all
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it's just like Medicare for all and do
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it slowly do it slowly do it over 40 do
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it over um 44 years until you get to 21
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and then maybe go all the way down to
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zero but something is wrong in Mudville
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we the the profit motive injected here
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with uh citizens united where people
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where democracy is no longer about
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people voting but about dollars voting
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has led to a Healthcare System where we
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are trading uh Despair and anguish for
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shareholder value and that's where we
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are in America is the tail that Wags
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every dog is shareholder value

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Episode Highlights

  • Societal Reaction to Violence
    Exploring how society reacts to violent events and the implications of those reactions.
    “This is a form of revolution.”
    @ 06m 17s
    December 13, 2024
  • Tragedy of Healthcare
    The discussion highlights the tragic consequences of the U.S. healthcare system, where profit motives overshadow patient care.
    “We are trading despair and anguish for shareholder value.”
    @ 11m 21s
    December 13, 2024

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