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david our guest today this was so it was you're gonna have a good time people u
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Brett Goldstein most famously known as Rory Kent the gruff alpha male on Ted
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Lasso which you got two Emmy awards for yes it was good to talk to another gruff
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alpha male for me uh it was nice uh he got this dude has done everything uh
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from England um he has done Doctor Who he has done Derek i think Derek is the
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one with Ricky uh and then and then as of late he's
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filming right now romcom with JLo uh which he wrote with with a friend of his
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and he's doing shrinking with Harrison Ford Jason Seagull you
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know so just non-stop he has a deal with we can go on and on remember he has a standup special he writes and produces
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all these shows and then he's in them and stuff he'll tell us an interesting story about how he got cast as Yes we
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made him do that story and he was gracious uh he's actually talking to us on his break from the movie uh on a on a
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weekend which was very uh generous of him and I had a I had a good uh some
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good laughs with him obviously he's a comedian so we cracked up but we we
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dissected the comedy special like we always do and his which is coming out soon what is it called Dana his comedy
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special oh that's called the second best night of your life that's right it's a cool name hbo hbo coming out he's a very
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curious person um as a writer you know so he asked us a lot of questions so we
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did talk bear with that he Yeah he was kind of curious about our situation he has a podcast called Films to be buried
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with as well that's out there um so yeah he's super busy highly successful and
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completely humble yeah so a lot of fun and uh very humble and asked us
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questions so don't get mad about that because uh I know it was it but it's uh fun if they're interested and we had a
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great three-way chat it was like being at dinner and um here he is
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guys how are you how are you hey somebody looks like their picture nice to see you again of course you remember
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when you met me yes you do i remember both well I've never I haven't had a
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long chat with either of you and I'm a big fan but I've introduced David on stage oh yeah
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interesting i remember that i told Dana that we just ran into each other at one of those loud parties it wasn't a time
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to Hey I really like Ted Lasso really yeah I know jason Sedakus really okay
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that I hate those parties man that [ __ ] music drives me hey whoa whoa i'm coming in hot what party was it
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it was one of the SNL SNL parties yes that's right that's where it was and
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I wanted to say I love Head Wound Harry but you know it was too late i'm exhausted right now because I looked at
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all what you're doing out there right now it's like I'm exhausted because I read your credits what's going on man
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yes busy boy he's like Yes and that's why I have to jump off right now thanks can I ask you a question like what what
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I these are sort of cliche in a sense but I guess like in 2017 2018 you were kind of regular famous you've done some
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things and then Ted Lasso and you became extra famous yeah what year how long
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have you been extra famous this has been like three years since people are like "Hey are
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you the day?" It was It was a weird thing where we did the we did lockdown and when we came out of lockdown we
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suddenly were pointed at in the street oh so it was playing the whole time just
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pointed at you hey we were like in lockdown what's on our face something
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happened um if they said to you if this is a deal I would take yeah
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we're going to lock you down for two years but you'll be super famous after i would say okay
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you'd think that's kind of what happened kind of a dystopian nightmare and you just were emancipated from it into love
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and u human beings being so excited to see you oh that's a very nice way of
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thinking about it how have you two coped with being famous for as long as you have been famous which is a long long
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time now david you go first well we like it when when guests ask questions by Yeah thank
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you i'm glad we got through the Brett part of this interview but we got
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you can get a cup of tea sit back and 20 minutes from now
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i How old were you how old were you two because you were both How old were you two when you were My my
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my I I got an SNL and I had kind of regular fame it was in the 80s but then
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I had Wayne's World got an Emmy for doing Political Impressions anyway I I'm
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just saying everything whooshed up and I was on the cover of Rolling Stone so for that year I it was peak fame and I found
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it exhausting just basically exhausting because I'm I'm kind of a people pleaser and so anyone who wanted to give me the
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time of the Oh sure you know so um I think I'm David right it's David i think
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David David would um have a different journey mine was
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very gradual uh Brett because standup middle act wasn't even a headliner when
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I got on SNL did an HBO like young comedian special so I got a drop of
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attention but got on SNL but didn't do that much for a while dana kind of came out of the gate big and I I took a while
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and then leaving that then a movie and then another movie i think it was uh after SNL after some movies and then a
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sitcom called Just Shoot Me and then I got the cover Rolling Stone and the Cover Rolling Stone is a very hard one
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over here i don't especially if you're a comedian so I feel like that was
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um when people say when were you the most famous that's such a weird question and it's always right now because it's
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accumulation of everything kind of or people finally caught up to stuff but that was probably the year because you
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don't get that a lot if ever again so I really felt like that was a fun one and Dana got one um maybe got two I don't
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know but is this where you two are best friends because you can only you both been on the cover of Rolling Stone is
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that the part part of the club and uh if you get on there we're going to be
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hanging out in the game okay i'm just curious how are you how's the recognition factor in different
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countries like Great Britain uh compared to Ireland or you know because lasso is
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lasso or TED I like to shorten the show TED is global
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so that's a different thing so where are you the most I I mean there was like the
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first year we were only recognized in America but then I think the second year it then was it sort of went I I I I
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haven't yeah it's sort of everywhere because I think it's because it's on Apple it's like I mean I haven't checked
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was any did England take any Was there any different feeling than America
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america was just sheer joy and bliss was England because you were there and your English is there any different i thought
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English people wouldn't take to Ted Lasso because it's sincere so I I thought it is that not
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what plays over there no i you know I thought they were gonna be like you [ __ ] prick you sincere prick oh
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you're so [ __ ] earnest oh no I don't like that show you're so [ __ ] earnest
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is it a lot of comedy is more uh insincere well yeah or or
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uh negative like as in uh taking the piss out of people snarking i tell you
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what was really interesting thing that happened that I learned is I did this show that no one ever saw it was like an
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improvised sitcom with David Hasselhoff where David Hasshoff came to England and
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we were like his fake entourage and it was off the record yeah off the record
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yeah and it was really funny no one ever saw it it was proper funny but what was
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interesting about it is he as the American we were like improvising these scenes and he came to us one day and he
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said "Guys," he said "They're making you look
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like idiots." And and I we were like "Yeah no it's okay it's okay because Oh was he
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worried about you guys looking stupid in a mockumentary?" And it's okay because because we that we're English it's meant
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to be funny like as in he wanted us all to be heroes and I was like that's such an interesting like oh really it's
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funnier that you guys are all well you guys gave us uh money python you know so
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it's kind of like um doesn't get any better than that but I do think um first
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I have it's philosophical alert no Ted lasso even for America the earnestness
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of it the sincerity of it took us off guard you Oh like you cuz I people told me to
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watch it i go what lasso i don't know i was like kind of like what's it on Peach
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Channel 4 no so then I watched it and I started seeing it and it was the
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chemistry and it you know I'm not going to say lightning in a bottle i'm not going to say that because I don't want
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to speak in cliches it might be a great show is when every single person in the
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cast is the only person you can imagine playing that part and Ted Lasso had that
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across the board in my opinion that's very nice i I feel the same way about Just Shoot Me can I ask you is that a
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call back did it make it over there oh you saw the show yeah yeah it was on It was on It
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was on late night in England it was on BBC 1285 it was on BBC 1285 still
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getting the checks eh [ __ ] good i'm glad you saw just shoot me it gives me some legitimacy on this call
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thank god tell me this i want to know about you two have you done standup or shows in
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England no i've been invited but never never
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lined up but I uh How does I don't know
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if it would work why are you scared yeah we're scared i'm scared for sure
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why won't you come they'd love you i don't know if my favorite city i've been
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there several times i love everything about it the West End you know Eiffel
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Square eiffel Square all the biggies the pyramids Leicester
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Square this is you know okay I have to ask these are just arithmetic questions but
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so you got this special that's coming out in a couple weeks second best night of your life i like the title that's
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That's a title always hard to get a title yeah spades got one coming out called Dandelion
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always hard good title i saw the trailer and the title was explained in the trailer and I was like respect yeah
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because I'm a puss no one would guess that where did you
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Where did you shoot the uh special in oh in New Jersey new Jersey oh really yeah
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yeah bergen Theater did you at the PAC
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okay bergen and how many people it was uh 2000 or
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one two shows one night two shows one night love it so pre- pandemic you're
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playing clubs is that right yeah clubs in in like 50 seaters
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the kind of the my favorite size you can't make money but I like a 50-seater yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean but
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so then now you're you just went this last five years it really did but I but
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I think I was I was sort of This is why I'm asking when you what age you were because I was quite I was 38 when I did
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Lassa I think okay i'd been going I'd been doing all of this at a low level for a long long time
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so I think I just didn't expect any of it but then when it happened it was like
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well I'll be dead soon so made the most of it i think it must be nice i'll be
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dead soon if you're 38 and you're doing pretty well you probably go it probably
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would have happened by now and uh the odds get higher that I mean you can be
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famous but then you to have a game changer Yeah is very rare exactly yeah i
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I'd long given up on sort of a big thing happening yeah i thought when I got SNL
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at 31 I'd been in the clubs for 10 years and I'd auditioned for SNL several times in clubs and just thought it was sort of
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over a lot of things had to come together they were recasting and long
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story short I got it at 31 and then the show was really on a low point but by it
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happened to be the [ __ ] we had to rescue let's just take this guy we can't lose it wasn't easy i thought I was going to
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turn the lights out cuz every pilot I'd ever done every show I'd ever done it failed sucked so I didn't want to turn
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Oh you can turn it out now okay that's 8h dana turn the light out on the way
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franchise what else have you got so I was around that age 36 when I started to
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make extra money and be extra famous and um I found it it's a Fouian deal in some
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ways over time um do you have a financial planner kid
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he's got a printing press i would say to you this um and I don't think I've ever expressed this i'll just do it very
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quickly is that at some point you want a wall of money that's giving you income
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not risky investments not real estate but liquidity bonds or something that is
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giving you a wall of income so in 10 years from now you never go on bendad
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you never have to do anything you don't want to do your career so far seems like you're in command and control because
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you're the executive producer you're the writer so you wouldn't have those issues but whatever money you think you want
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you just want to be completely done by 50 so you have nine years eight years
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okay i'm I'm going to play back this podcast and I'm going to have to write out what you just said because you lost
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me at bonds well well it doesn't matter about bonds mailbox money just money that comes in when you're not working so
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that you can pick and choose um your projects that's all but I think you
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already you're most standups just do standup and try to get hired you're I
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mean you got a big deal with Warner Brother i mean you're already in charge i think you're doing perfect i take back
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what I said you don't need my advice i I really I'm listening to all of it
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[Music] i have a question for you both about SNL that I'm curious about because I've
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spoken to Bill Hayer and I've spoken to Jason and I've spoken to a couple of other people and everyone tells me I
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when I spoke to Bill Hayer I said to him how he was making Barry at the time and he was like writing execing directing
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producing edit all of it and I said how do you cope with the pressure of that that's such a huge huge undertaking and
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he said anything's easier after SNL oh wow and I and I wonder if you two feel
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this way like the machine of SNL seems to me so [ __ ] insanely stressful and it
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sort of the ego of it week by week that you could be in a sketch then you're not in a sketch and you're the king for a
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night then it's gone and then week on week how do you how did you feel about that you know Bill who's one of the
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greats of SNL uh we all love um I think maybe what he's saying is that at that
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point you're on the upswing and you're trying to get to a level where you
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you're not going to give up on showbiz you know everything's going on like you've all been in that position we've all been where am I going to do this
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forever cuz I just barely barely making it and that's the stress of no you're going to get fired every year no one's
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treated preferentially really and you keep writing and keep proving yourself
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with Barry maybe which sounds so such a hard undertaking is he's already got to
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this point and he's been given something and now it's just not fun but fun and hard but maybe maybe there's something I
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can't imagine something that hard um SNL was horrible but it's in the past but
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the new thing would seem harder like okay it's right in front of me I got to make this work which luckily he Uh uh
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Dana what do you think well I would say all that is true it's an emotionally violent sport SNL um but o over time if
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you write your own sketches and get some friends together it might help out but
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it's coming from you and then there's no time for someone to overthink it was
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great for my ADD brain there was no real direction you direct yourself the
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director is just trying to get the shots by the seat of their feet and so you it you you're a master of your fade in some
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ways there's whimsy to that but then you you have control and so when I when I walked off I I didn't have the
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confidence i was being offered multi-millions to do a couple films that were complete mistakes you know because
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then going from complete control to no control 100 takes they edit the way they want i did this thing in a scene which I
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thought "Okay I nailed this." I looked at the monitor saw it in the film it's been cut to pieces what I love about
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your resume so far is that you're not You're Bill Hater bill hat her bet on himself they He could have made a Stefon
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movie let's just say 15 million sure he could have stayed at SNL or done another variety show he bet on himself he just
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said no and now he's like he's he's a Cohen brother or he's Kubrick the second
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or he's a Paul Thomas so what you're doing is already fantastic you're you're making shows you're in control and the
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only time I've been really unhappy in show business like truly unhappy is being on a set or in a project where you
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look over at the brain trust around the camera and you're like "Oh we're fucked." Yeah this is not going to work
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tell right away it's not working so just just do what you you've been doing is you are you're in charge of your you
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know so far this podcast is really lovely so thank you very much right we're going to transform well don't let
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them dangle a shiny you make it so popular that you're tempted to do some movie you don't want to do because all
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of a sudden it's whatever cartoon money would be you know and it wouldn't the money is only about freedom the only
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reason to have money from my mind is to have freedom freedom to work or not work freedom to how to work by the way I'll
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just ask you do you have shiny things that speak to you like watches cars do you live which is totally totally fine
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that's the again the beauty of it is I don't I I never I always made enough
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before this all happened i always made just enough i made enough to pay my rent i made enough to go to the cinema which
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I like doing and I made enough for black t-shirts which is all I wear that was it and so when will this happen look at us
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oh god all I need is the cover of Rolling Stone and we can be a gag how do you I can't afford that [ __ ] why this
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one might be I have a stupid regular shirt on oh I have a good I have a good question for him dana watch this watch
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this that's good fast ball coming in okay brent if that's your real name brent um so Brett if England is doing an
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SNL yeah they are right england is doing SNL dana did you know this yeah that's a
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big story we haven't talked about enough obviously I don't think you would want to be on it as a cast member but what
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are your thoughts about that that sounds because I was thinking what's the equivalent of SNL over there and then I just thought oh wait I think they're
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doing one they're doing one yeah they just announced it yeah I I think there are so many [ __ ] great uh sketch
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comedians and comedians in England that it could be amazing i think for years everyone has tried to do an SNL and
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failed at it so I think making an actual SNL might be the answer instead of a
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knockoff yeah instead of going like Sunday morning recorded like they're always
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trying Right right and I've noticed I think what they've always made the mistake of is they go to
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like the Edinburgh Festival and they find a sketch group and another sketch group who aren't friends don't know each other and they go ah they sort of mix
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and match random people whereas I think If they go to the groups that are that
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have chemistry and have built something and put them in stuff and give them some autonomy I think it could be amazing it
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could be but I think that's a good observation i think on SNL John Loveitz when I was there knew Phil Hartman and
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Jan Hooks knew these writers and there was a a a chemistry that started right
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away um yeah and you need it right away because that first first viewing people
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will be like is this any good that's the pressure of like they don't go you know what we'll get it jelled around show 15
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and they're like we're gone so that's the scary part the pressure get it right right away and if you have people that
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have worked together that would help like they come in with something you got to have a such a weird thing it's such a
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ephemeral thing but I like asel because it's like the Muppet Show right it is a gang show and it is the chemistry of
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Dana was fuzzy bear for sure it's a it's a a sporting event but the thing about
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it being live is that we it's it's obliterated all the competition we used to have so many mostly tape but variety
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shows were huge i assume in England as well in the 60s7s early now they've all
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disappeared i tried one in prime time martin Short did all disappeared there is no live 90inute comedy show with a
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with a really cool band and maybe a movie star or football player host so
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you know stay to that have have a an athlete host you just do the do all that
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but you guys between Ricky Jery I'll just loop leap around here peter Sers of course and I already mentioned Money
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Python it's one of your biggest exports you know is comedy you know yeah I think
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it's I'd be really interested if they [ __ ] it up i don't know the the back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back fact back the backness of it
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as in if if LAN's involved I don't know like if it's like would they ship a Tina Bay over to help
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get it going would they do you know I I don't know what extent they would be involved you know because it's a very
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complicated show to do and there's got to be some shortcuts of people that have done it forever that can help alleviate
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the fullon stress it would be would you go yeah let's go I would go no I don't
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think I'm good enough Dana might be good dana should be the first host to sort of tie it all together i would go I would
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just stay with I mean there's two lanes of that show one of one lane is that you're seeing some unknown people
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comedians come on the show and so you're watching them evolve and you're kind of rooting for them and seeing them get
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find the audience get more confident and that is a reality show so when the show bombs so to speak it should just as
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interesting as when it kills because it's live oh this sketch is bombing and
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and you know it's kind of fun for the audience jason is the guest host and
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he's really he's horrible right now oh yeah he could be the first guest host too sorry Dana you're pushed out your
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second week and then an athlete or someone who's never done comedy in their life is forced to do sketch comedy so if
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they do it great that's another secret sauce you have a lot of those over there you could do that those are two and then
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constantly have Paul McCartney sing Let It Be every week and JLo
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yeah every week oh to promote the movie we got to hurry up and get this SNL going though tell me have you What do
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you What's your like secret when you're bombing if it if the sketch isn't
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working what do you do do you feel you know D is bombing if he's on stage well Will Frell famously
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No I I' I've easily that that show can go south in in a second you know cuz
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it's so under rehearsed and live in the audience can be weird will Frell is famously the most like if a sketch
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starts to bomb his commitment goes up exponentially goes harder yeah and um so
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yeah you just sort of it's all madness but it's it's very much under rehearsse
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and and there's rewrites right before you go on and it's you know you're going to get it right off the queue card but
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that's what gives it this this this chemistry this excitement you know so
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and Live from London just sounds funny to me it's a little bit like the clash London calling maybe that should be the
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theme but live from London you know it's like is there any other town it could be
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from out there live from Liverpool live from Birmingham it has to be London
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has to be London london call yeah you're frozen with a thumbs up like
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you're really pleased about it [Music]
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films to be buried with been doing that for years yes um and it's really the
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premise of and I I did think about it movies that affected you it's like the film that made you cry the
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most the film that scared you the most the sexiest exorcist scared me the most
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uh 2001 a space odyssey at 13 in a cinadome in Seattle uh blew my mind
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basically didn't know didn't have any precursor like what is this about and everything
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about that movie i actually a few years ago they were gonna they did the 50th whatever anniversary and I saw it six
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times over two months at the Arklight Theater in LA it's just kind of a spiritual experience
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um it's a meditative experience and I don't know why Kubri how he kind of does that what is
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the secret of the off-kilter acting kind of you know how
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and the casualness they're getting the sandwich and the spaceship and all they know is this thing's been around there's
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some magic to that film for sure i think it's a wonderful life um I don't know
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why but even if I bring this up in casual conversation I get choked up he's
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back he's back we're talking about It's a Wonderful Life talking about movies
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it's where they that his life the angel he sees what it'd be like if he wasn't born and then he's euphoric and the
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town's people show up and someone says to his character "We heard George Bailey
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was in trouble." That always stuck with me we heard and I've always teared up
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about that when I bring it up you don't have to tear up now i could a little bit you are there's something about that you
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know so what about you what just what movie um yeah start crying
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what what's What scared you the most besides Tommy Boy did you see the
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Did you see The Exorcist i did see You know what i saw The Exorcist when I was young and I thought it was stupid and
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then I watched it like You got scared later yeah I got scared like a year ago when I watched it i was like "Oh my god
00:28:40
that is so scary." I didn't think I was scared when I was little i would never watch that how old were you when they saw it i was like six and I was like
00:28:47
this stupid little girl with best fitting hair that's just this [ __ ] that's interesting
00:28:53
dana ask him about I will ask cuz I I'm too embarrassed uh ask him when he did
00:28:59
that audition which he's probably talked about for Ted Lasso did you film it alone in your room i have to hear every goddamn detail that's so funny well just
00:29:06
set the table for You're a writer on Ted Lasso there's a part and you're thinking maybe I writer on Ted Lasso i love it i
00:29:14
know you've probably told us the best thing you've ever done but embellish it this time but let's get some details give us extra i will give you I'll give
00:29:20
you one one extra detail i don't usually get uh we're writing it i get the thought
00:29:28
that I think I could do Roy Kent but I know not a single person in the room is
00:29:33
thinking that everyone and I know that if I say it out loud everyone will be like embarrassing i love it embarrassing
00:29:39
you would be good for this yeah that's how you start if we can't find anyone I
00:29:45
don't think we're actually super talented you know what if he has really
00:29:50
big eyebrows just a thought putting it out there putting it out there anyway I wait till we finish
00:29:58
writing and then I make a self tape but what I did with the self tape I went to Mosaic which is
00:30:05
my manager's office and they like do Oh in LA yeah yeah it was in Alex that's where we Oh okay and uh and you know I
00:30:15
don't know if you've done this but they have like whoever the assistants are at the time they can read in with you and
00:30:20
they can Oh right so I did my scenes with this Norwegian guy who was like an
00:30:28
intern so the scenes I'm acting with Keely in the original self tape it's
00:30:34
it's me going like Keely and Keely's like "Hello." And it's like He's a dude
00:30:41
and not even an actor yeah a sort of dead pan Norwegian man was playing
00:30:48
Ke and uh and I recorded five scenes and I flew back to England like I finished
00:30:54
my contract and I flew back to England and when I got on a plane I sent Bill Lawrence the tape and I said "Thanks for
00:31:02
everything." I said "Look I've been thinking I could play Roy Kemp but I appreciate that no one's thinking this this is really embarrassing if this is
00:31:08
[ __ ] I will never ask you about it we can pretend this never happened but if this is good here's a tape and then when
00:31:16
I landed it was like an overnight flight when I landed I got a email saying "This is [ __ ] awesome i'm going to send it
00:31:22
to you." Oh really wow well can I I want to have a question about about this
00:31:28
because Yeah the character that you play and like we're getting to know you now
00:31:34
so you really did like the body language is so funny and interesting of Roy Ken
00:31:40
you know and also obviously you went lower a little more grally and he's sort of an alpha alpha type character you
00:31:49
know so did you have that in the audition tape or did that evolve as you kind of got on the I think I had the I
00:31:54
think I had the posture in the tape because I knew he it was all based on a
00:31:59
load of things but I knew he was like a guy who had been told since little
00:32:05
shoulders back head forward like he'd been told that and that he was leading like he's ready
00:32:12
to headbutt someone at all times is leading
00:32:17
but the voice the voice was like halfway there in the in the self tape I think
00:32:23
and they wanted you to play it up no it just felt right once I was there with
00:32:28
once you're sort of faced with It's funny because you you know I done this tape with a Norwegian guy in a room but
00:32:35
then suddenly there's 20 men and you have to be
00:32:41
super Yeah oh tougher dominant so what was the line i mean you're What What did
00:32:47
he say something had to happen i think it was in the audition tape and in the show so or I'm going to start punching something yeah s silence where I'm going
00:32:54
to start punching dicks and how would Roy can't You don't have to do the carrot you want me to do it i like your
00:33:00
impression of it cuz you're very good at it i don't know i I don't know now you got me i use that line when I'm waiting
00:33:06
too long at Cheesecake we're going to be silent in here i'm going to start punching dicks i'll punch your dick i'll
00:33:11
line him up you'll [ __ ] dick so you get to swear Paul's a next i remember
00:33:18
Sandler did a movie sorry uh with Paul Thomas Anderson i go "God you're so good
00:33:24
in that." He goes "Carvey I got to swear." You know so you're you're self you're on the
00:33:31
phone what the [ __ ] and so your character how many swear words per episode are you Are you allotted someone
00:33:38
did count it i think it's in the hundreds it's in the hundreds season
00:33:45
you got a real Anora on your hands what about Do you swear in your standup
00:33:51
i don't even remember yes I do yeah oh boy woo i found that interesting when in
00:33:57
when I started doing gigs in America like um smaller gigs when I was first coming out here and they'd be like "Do
00:34:02
you have a clean set?" And I was like "What's a clean set?" Like they don't have division in England
00:34:09
we just It's just stand as like everyone's dirty yeah but it's also like
00:34:14
what do you mean a clean set isn't this an adult evening out right but some clubs want it clean that's funny or some
00:34:20
headliners if you when I used to open a middle they'd say keep it clean and I'm like "Huh?" So I always sort of looked
00:34:27
at a clean tip because you were also eyeballing doing Letterman or doing a late night show and you had to be clean
00:34:34
so your manager would say "You're wasting it because you can't do that bit." And I'm like "Right the level of
00:34:40
what you can do on a late night talk show is kind of But so what's the as far
00:34:45
as your special coming out what's the what's the bit that is the blest we call
00:34:52
it blue uh five minute bit about the seaw word and how America is scared of it." Oh
00:34:59
Brett oh my mom just called she goes "Oh you don't need that we know we we know
00:35:05
that about my mom doesn't like my own act i like Dana he's he's clever and
00:35:11
he's fun clean and cheerful you know come on are you clean you're clean your stand up's clean dana
00:35:18
um clean um for the most part um
00:35:23
there's certain there was there's certain jokes that's kind of you know where the punchline is [ __ ] you or used
00:35:30
as [ __ ] right and then I go "Okay." And Jerry Seinfeld doesn't like that try to rewrite it well you don't need the word
00:35:37
you know what it for shut up was that Seinfeld seinfeld with a little garbo in
00:35:44
the back [ __ ] Eeyore yeah we also both do corporate gigs me
00:35:49
and Dana and when they say do an hour do 45 minutes and keep it clean that's another way we work and uh if like I
00:35:58
watch Dana on these we do them together sometimes he's not 100% clean but you don't even
00:36:05
notice it that the whole tone the whole vibe is like fun and it's really because
00:36:10
they said one guy told me he goes "We just say that cuz Martin Lawrence did 20
00:36:16
minutes on eating pussy." And I'm like "Oh okay well well we get where the line is that's where the line okay I get so
00:36:22
somewhere under Yeah I got But that's what they're fearful of something happened once where people complain and
00:36:28
you go I got it you won't even notice I'm dirty it's like so goofy my goal is to get them to laugh at minutia that's
00:36:34
been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time and that's its own sort
00:36:41
of pornographic you know i mean you must have bits in your act that maybe get
00:36:46
more laughs than you think they deserve or less laughs or ones that you think are the most challenging for the
00:36:51
audience in the sense of how abstract they are or Yeah you know everything is all the above that's very interesting i
00:36:58
guess I I guess yes there was there would be stuff I wouldn't do if it were a corporate gig for sure and I but I
00:37:06
still am like I I think I just fundamentally object to the idea of here
00:37:13
is uh 200 adults in a room and because it's corporate they don't want anything rude like I'm like and can they handle
00:37:20
it it's like yes you can handle their children i'm like but they're still people i think they'll probably really
00:37:26
enjoy i do get don't want to do 10 minutes on eating [ __ ] i do get hands up i get that everybody has that bit
00:37:33
we've all got that in our back pocket the audience wants it unbridled but
00:37:40
there's always pe there's the CEO the company and then there's the people who've been hired and so they just don't
00:37:47
want to offend but the audience by and large they're adults in America in 2025
00:37:53
what if they haven't heard you know yeah yeah it's about people complaining and getting sued and saying "I was so
00:37:59
offended i was shaking." It's like "Oh because of Brett's filthy act." Who cares couldn't stop thinking about
00:38:05
eating [ __ ] after that i couldn't stop i couldn't start doing it again it's not too late to drop in a
00:38:11
bit go to the comedy store and just insert it into your special and just say "I don't know why I thought of this."
00:38:18
But when you tap this which I think is out now uh you April 26th I believe so I
00:38:24
think it's out now because we don't know what date it is today oh oh we don't know what date it is sorry um I think
00:38:30
it's out anyway we'll see but Brett is there Did you I just did mine and all
00:38:37
you want to do is have one of your best crowds i mean they're obviously coming to see you but
00:38:43
the cameras sometimes throw people and it turns into a pretty good crowd yeah how was yours tell me tell me the truth
00:38:49
mine was I did two i did the same kind of thing two one night i think when you're Sandler and you've got an almost
00:38:56
unlimited budget he was just taping almost everywhere he went small big really thought out he he pictured like a
00:39:04
movie and I think PTA was involved in one of them and maybe the Saies so So
00:39:09
he's got a lot going on and a lot of fun and it's [ __ ] great so I'm doing the
00:39:17
more common two a night but yeah I went to Denver which is a great comedy right town and uh I did come out the last one
00:39:25
I did the crowd was tougher but they were masked and I wasn't sure of that and
00:39:31
when I went out I they sounded muffled which was a good you know they were wearing masks and you know what they
00:39:37
said we can do it in Minneapolis austin says no and they said "Netflix isn't agreeing
00:39:42
to do it with Austin because the parameters but the parameters were they wouldn't wear masks." And I didn't know
00:39:49
what the parameters were i go "Oh but we can still do it." They go "Yeah we'll just do your next gig in Minneapolis we'll just sell two shows." And then I
00:39:56
was so in the zone about my own [ __ ] i was like "Oh no." Cuz the opener wasn't doing as well and I'm like "Do not give
00:40:02
me a rough crowd tonight please God." Yes and so uh that was but this one was
00:40:07
obviously unmasked and super fun so I I got lucky also you have two shows that
00:40:13
people don't know you're sort of combining the two shows sometimes you use most of one because sometimes you
00:40:18
just hit one way better what did you do more of a combination well I had that experience i Everyone had said to me "Oh
00:40:25
your special crowds are just they're so up for it it's going to be amazing." And then that first crowd you can tell right
00:40:31
you can tell by the announcement yeah yeah anything you just walk out of them by the by the chair and that first there
00:40:40
was so much stuff and there was so you know wires everywhere and there's stuff in the way cameras swooshing around yeah
00:40:47
and I think it does throw them and and like this 7:00's quite early you know and that was the first show and a little
00:40:53
early they're not drunk they're just Yeah off stage thing and they went yay
00:40:59
and I thought uh oh all you got was a yay well I think it was like a Yeah I
00:41:05
know that's funny also they they bring them in a little earlier for that early show so they're sitting forever i don't
00:41:11
think there's booze they don't want to see boo i mean unless you specifically ask for they're seated with the
00:41:17
technical issues they can't get up use the bathroom and stuff and
00:41:22
I never have shot one that I felt was anywhere near the sets I did before that
00:41:28
but practice set the late show was the late show was was excellent crap like
00:41:34
then I was like "Okay we're good we've got we've got something with it." I mean did you use most of They were really good they were really They were both
00:41:40
very good i'm very grateful to all of them but yeah of course I'm grateful anyone shows up when I did a We did a
00:41:46
show in Minneapolis that when I taught and that was the best crowd I've ever Oh
00:41:51
see that's why I said that'd be a good one what theater were you in the Guthrie or Paramount maybe no that was I know
00:41:58
i'd have to go in my calendar because they they do have We'll give you 20 minutes could you give me 35 minutes
00:42:06
35 i love when you said you wrote Ted Lasso in LA i pictured you in a castle in
00:42:12
England anything in England I feel like it's a castle anything with a British accent seems smarter more sophisticated
00:42:19
you know we've seen all your movies all these years i always tell Dana if I'm famous I'll go over there but I was I
00:42:25
went there for one day and I wasn't too sure i went we went for grown-ups that movie
00:42:32
and uh we all went over there and stayed at the Soho what's up there's a gig in
00:42:38
London that's the best gig in London called Always Be Comedy the uh man who
00:42:43
runs that gig James Gil he is obsessed with you David Spain i'm telling you off
00:42:49
off camera I might hit you up and say "Hey tell me about this thing." and I might go do it sometime he He can't
00:42:55
believe I'm doing this podcast like he's so excited he said "Get him up get him to do my gig." Like you will you will be
00:43:01
very famous in that room took you 44 minutes to get to this but uh this pitch but uh thank you and uh I might hit you
00:43:08
up so unblock me and I'm going to hit you on Instagram
00:43:14
and then all my messages flood through once you unblock me i'm like "Dude I just saw you in the parking lot the
00:43:19
improv say hello why did you drive away as I was chasing after you waving i really
00:43:25
just have to look at my act like you know you might because I didn't get a
00:43:30
chance to hear your whole hour obviously but I I have to wonder the big subjects
00:43:36
work overseas politics marriage relationships and when I get I look at my act I've got to see what I have to
00:43:42
throw out because I just don't know you know well also but there's much more
00:43:48
everything's [ __ ] everywhere right now like I I think the stuff you're scared wouldn't work would work i should
00:43:54
just try it and see what happens because I'll blame them every everybody looks at
00:44:00
Daily Mail because it's crack cocaine for my brain uh they sift through the commercials and try to look at an
00:44:06
article by the way do you have enough money for Daily Mail Plus
00:44:13
it's a real question Dana they just added a plus it's a $1.99 i told him to get [ __ ]
00:44:22
[Music] so by the way you're doing a movie with with Jennifer Lopez currently right yes
00:44:29
yeah we're filming at the moment yeah do you know what it's called i do you tell
00:44:35
me it's called Office Party office romance
00:44:42
office time office it's called office meet you at the
00:44:49
office what's it called meet you at the office it's called office yeah so is it a romcom be honest it's a romcom it's a
00:44:55
big school romcom so this is you stepping outside the lines unless you wrote and produced this film no I did I
00:45:03
did co-write this with Jay Kelly and And do you play Roy Kent in this this is a
00:45:08
lot of people are asking no okay he plays Ted Lasso he plays Ted i play Key
00:45:16
Jones in this one jlo in my brief encounters with her is quite sweet and
00:45:23
funny is this true she's so funny she's always funny and she's brilliant uh
00:45:30
brilliant comedy actor like under like when you see her live I'm like [ __ ]
00:45:36
hell you're good at this like she's a really really good comic actor so you wait you just said you wrote it with
00:45:42
your friend is that what you said yes joe Kelly and so you get you get that
00:45:47
get up on its feet and then you figure out who's the leading lady who's the
00:45:53
rest of it where you shoot that's all you're in on all that that's great yeah we wrote it on a on a train while I
00:45:59
was making Ted Lasso we sort of had the idea
00:46:04
did you think of calling it office train we did we thought call it office station
00:46:10
we went through Yeah you could all do it it could all be played on the train how did you try to make it spin how did you
00:46:16
spin it because it it is a genre what's the uh sort of rough pitch
00:46:22
the hook is I suppose I can't tell you much but I can tell you the aim is it's like a really proper classy old school
00:46:30
romcom like a Norah Efron type film but okay with hard R jokes oh okay oh good
00:46:38
good that uh any aliens and aliens okay good
00:46:44
that's another good hook um is it too late for David to do a nice little cameo
00:46:49
he walks in What about the guy that steals the girl is that part taken uh we dude his stuff
00:46:58
what else could you What else could you bring at this very late that's my only move the good-looking
00:47:05
dashing dude that runs in and she glances at me and sprints toward me
00:47:12
hey this I don't know about this guy he was on the planet bye-bye
00:47:18
so I think romcom with R-rated is interesting i can't really think of one
00:47:23
so I like that idea yeah I I um Yeah I sounds more real
00:47:30
yes hopefully i think it's going to be good i like that
00:47:35
so of your of your two children Ted Lasso and Shrinking which one's your
00:47:40
favorite get off my couch get off my couch Chewy
00:47:47
i'm not Chewy i'm Brett you're Chewy to me i'm That's Harrison Ford if you don't know and I love Harrison Ford in it my
00:47:56
wife
00:48:01
you can't see our shaking fingers that's a big part yeah I know no one gets mad like Harrison Ford he's so good man my
00:48:10
wife that Chewy your ticks got in my soup
00:48:15
again chewy get me out of here
00:48:21
shut the [ __ ] up Chewy
00:48:27
he could be He should be Chewy Doo like Scooby-Doo like like a collab
00:48:34
so more entertaining Brad so Chewy had sex with Scooby oh I guess I'll give up we can go anywhere you want where you're
00:48:40
going to play Hercules potential you did a cameo and now you're in the Marvel universe
00:48:45
well I I I mean gun to head I can't say anything
00:48:51
but at the same time I think that's probably it on that one okay i like gun to head because I
00:48:57
thought what's the difference between Hercules and Roy Kent uh one is a Greek god and the other one is a hairy guy
00:49:04
from Toot no what is it called
00:49:10
what's your favorite soccer team called tottenham or something tottenham yeah how do you How do you know that okay
00:49:17
well who you been speaking to i did talk to my soccer buddy Bobby and I said uh
00:49:23
cuz I have a Tottenham shirt oh dear and I Yeah I don't even know why but Oh he
00:49:28
gave it to me and so I wear it and if people ask me one question I fall apart
00:49:33
so I just like to puff up is Brendan Hunt dating Hana Wing wington
00:49:40
W you're reading that off the internet dating Rebecca oh oh Rebecca that's
00:49:47
right oh no no hannah Wington is her real name is dating Rebecca
00:49:52
Wood do you mean Hang on what's the question i don't mean He doesn't know
00:49:58
he's reading the internet or something i'm looking I've got Well who's the who's the bad apple in the bunch in that
00:50:05
cast oh he's the difficult one no you said in
00:50:10
Ted Lasso is that what you're saying yeah who's the bad apple in the cast there genuinely isn't one and I know
00:50:17
that's an annoying answer but like I don't Who's the most difficult to work with go ahead
00:50:23
uh Dana on this podcast is the most out of us too
00:50:29
juno Temple is coming back to play Keley oh right it's coming back right that's
00:50:35
correct yes I believe so guns ahead is there a girl named Keely on the show yes
00:50:41
key and there's someone named Keely she's the love there are people in the world called Key yeah oh no is that a
00:50:46
common name over there not one person here named Keely really you have no Key's zero oh we got a couple of Key's
00:50:53
yeah you got too many yeah were the negotiations tough to get the cast to come back or were you guys locked into a
00:50:59
certain salary already uh we we had all signed like contracts in the early day
00:51:04
you know forever and ever so they pick up yeah I think so oh that's good makes it easier
00:51:11
saves time how long did you do Just Shoot Me how many years was that that
00:51:16
was uh falls in your court well we did six as a mid-season replacement they call it out here and then we went
00:51:23
straight through the old days was 22 episodes a year so we did about a little
00:51:28
over six years my god 148 did you It went over there right is that where you
00:51:34
saw it over there yeah I saw it in England oh I love it love it did you uh What was your trajectory on that show in
00:51:41
terms of enjoyment did you always enjoy it was there a bit in the middle where you were like I've had enough of this and then you enjoyed it again or what no
00:51:48
you know I came from SNL and it was options like Dana said you could do your
00:51:53
own show like the David Spade Goofy sitcom but I had seen that if it didn't work all your heat's gone they don't
00:51:59
give you another try so it was an ensemble a writer from Larry Sanders uh
00:52:04
Steve Levitan and um a good cast and the network already liked it i joined they
00:52:10
added me to a shot pilot so we reshot it and added me cuz NBC was a little fuzzy
00:52:16
on they were on the you know back and forth with it so I got added to it and I
00:52:23
liked it the whole run i have to say that it was one of the most fun runs because everyone they were writing for me which
00:52:30
that's now was not exactly the case they did in some but you were sort of in charge of it and then you've got
00:52:36
everywhere you go is good people like on on your show I'm sure and that's always more fun and then
00:52:42
um also it was a little easier than SNL the hours and uh and it was immediately
00:52:49
in a top 20 or top 10 and we were in a in a heyday of Seinfeld and ER and Will
00:52:55
and Grace and Friends and Frasier and so we we were at least in the vicinity we
00:53:02
weren't those shows but we were with them on the lot with them and it was just all fun to see just a good run i
00:53:08
loved it we And and last thing and then I'll let you talk at the very end is um
00:53:13
we had done everyone had had something in their career was good and bad and so
00:53:19
everyone was really happy to be there and lucky and appreciated it and I think
00:53:24
some shows people get cocky because it's their first show and it works and so they get sort of out of control but we
00:53:31
were like we're every year we got picked up we're like this is so great cuz it could all go down to [ __ ] everyone knew
00:53:37
it what was your last day like tearjerker of course balling um if I
00:53:46
knew we were going to do it again in a year that would have been fun for me yeah but um I guess yours isn't really a
00:53:53
reboot because it's sort of just keep going right yeah there's been a big gap and then we'll don't tell us any secrets
00:53:59
but you got Bill Lawrence who's great he coaches the women's team that got out
00:54:04
ted does so it makes it sort of puts us on he's not nodding or shaking his head he's giving us nothing point out i've
00:54:11
got a gun to my head remember I know i think this is the good thing about Marvel also is they don't even say when
00:54:17
they're releasing their movies anymore it's smart they say "We did a big one last week you guys missed it." And we're
00:54:22
like "Yeah you're too secretive about it." Um all right what else what else for
00:54:29
this young man Dana i know you had a lot but we got to let him go and we appreciate by the way Brett you're shooting a movie you come in on the
00:54:35
weekend you help us out we wanted to talk to you for a while so thank you very much i appreciate you both very
00:54:41
much and I'm genuinely grateful I got to hang out with you this is very uh very cool for me so thank you for your time i
00:54:46
want you to see me in better lighting but that'll be you know it's fun to see someone on TV playing a character you
00:54:52
know and then meeting you like this it's It's just interesting because all I knew was that you know character um so it's
00:55:01
uh I see why you won the Emmys compliment alert good job compliment
00:55:06
alert sorry uh back to back is a super
00:55:11
compliment but anyway I mean I can't it's your podcast uh films to be buried
00:55:16
with um if you're ever bored and you have time you should both come and do it one day i would love to have you but no
00:55:23
pressure there's nothing worse than being asked to do a podcast you're off the hook but if you Well I'll do that
00:55:28
one in a second i could talk about movies all day long you know but I I want to know the movie before we go for
00:55:35
you that moved you the most well I talked like ET I find traumatic
00:55:43
like I I cried the most like I I remember my dad taking me and my sister
00:55:48
there was like a re-release of ET and I was three four I don't know four five he took us to C at the Sim he was like
00:55:55
"You're going to love this." And we were crying so much that I remember turning
00:56:01
to him and saying "Why have you brought us to this?" Yeah yeah yeah like what is this this feels like abuse
00:56:08
this is not There's no fun here i'm devastated it is pretty rough if you're
00:56:13
younger I I loved ET i'll be right here i have the same build as ET you know
00:56:20
Brett not to plug my special i talk about ET of all [ __ ] movies of all
00:56:26
movies dandelion it's so random you say that um but that one did kind of rough
00:56:32
me up too i I get it i mean those movies like that or like Bambi when you're not
00:56:38
ready for the beginning part and you're like why on who cleared this you know
00:56:43
what my friend Rashene Connity if you don't know her she's a [ __ ] brilliant comedian in England and she her father
00:56:51
died and she once said to me you know you Disney always has these films where the parent dies and things like that and
00:56:57
and people say it's good for kids because it teaches them about death she said that when her dad died not for a
00:57:03
second did she think "Well thank God I saw this."
00:57:09
No [ __ ] that's a really funny line you're like "Hey your your mom might die
00:57:14
when you're 70 but we'll let you know what it feels like when you're six."
00:57:19
Yeah that that was all right buddy i would say Yeah um
00:57:26
you're doing good i don't know if you need any more plugs other than your specials out shrinking's coming season
00:57:31
two Ted Lasso season 4 uh and everything else your podcast how you find time to
00:57:38
do it do you guys do more than one a day or you stack them or I just do it I do it a week i don't like free time i go I
00:57:45
get No you like to keep it busy i get deep deep darkness if there's any space so I just fill it up got it huh well
00:57:53
that's a whole other podcast we'll have you back yeah exactly next year yeah anyway it's it's I think about that all
00:58:00
the time anyway lovely to see you guys hey great death and Darkness coming soon severely depressed but Ted Lasso is
00:58:06
coming out uh Jason Sedakus will cheer you up anyway uh tell Jason hello and uh
00:58:13
good luck with everything with the movie and guys thank you for having me we'll see you around campus this has been a
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