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We got Mark Marin. This is a republished
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>> uh polished up winner that we had. We
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wanted to let you guys hear again.
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>> This is Mark Maron, one of the OG
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monster podcasters out there.
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>> And one I don't know the exact history
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of kind of one of the pioneers along
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along with Marky. Uh Joey Rogan
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>> was new. Uh Marky got out there early.
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But what's interesting about this one as
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you listen to it is like his he's gets
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to interview Springsteen, Neil Young,
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Obama was a very big deal and we'll talk
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all about that. It's very interesting
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podcast. Interesting.
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>> I think he ended his whole run of his
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whole podcast with Obama.
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>> It's not a bad one to go out with.
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>> Yeah, that's that's true. It was either
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that or um Senator John Kennedy was
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going to be his guest.
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>> Now, you were the first podcaster. That
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did I get that right? Or was it Joey
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Rogan?
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[laughter]
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>> I heard a rumor that Joe Rogan is going
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to change his last name to Joe Roane.
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And apparently, it's a billion dollar
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contract.
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>> That would be a good move.
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>> [laughter]
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>> It's something we would ask Mark Merrane
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about. Yeah. Right now, you're going to
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get to listen to
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>> one of our golden oldies.
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>> Mark Marin. Here he is.
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>> Are you in the same house? You're in the
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same You have not moved.
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>> It looks familiar.
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This This is a different house, but the
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stuff behind me probably looks familiar
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because all the stuff from that original
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garage is in this room.
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>> Are you in the same neighborhood? Can
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you or you don't have to tell us your
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actual You want me to just send you a
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send you a link to a map where everybody
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can drop me a picture.
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>> Well, I already have a map of your
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house. [laughter] That'll be for It's
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called after talk. Anyway, whatever.
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>> No, I'm in I'm in Glendale. I was in
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Highland Park.
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>> I got it.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I like that place.
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>> The old place.
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Yeah. I mean, it was casual and cool.
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You had guitars and
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>> I still a little more spread out.
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>> Before like it was like that was less
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than a thousand square feet. One
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bathroom.
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>> Like if you had to go to the bathroom,
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you had to go into the same bathroom
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that you know I use.
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>> I live in a very small house. I
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Everything you owns your back. I I'm not
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into it. You occupy a house. You live in
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your body. You can't [ __ ] a house. You
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can't eat it.
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>> I I think you can't [ __ ] a house. It
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really just [laughter] depends on where
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where you enter. And
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>> I saw a thing on about it. [laughter]
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>> Comedians don't laugh. They just think,
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>> "What about the guy that married his
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car?" You know,
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>> I just wanted I want to start the
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podcast this way. Every comedian knows
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this about you. Ah, where were you,
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David, when you heard that Mark Maron
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has Barack Obama on his podcast? Cuz I
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was like, "What the fuck?" Cuz this was
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early days of podcasting, right? I
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remember being blown away by that.
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>> I think most people were still kind of
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like what what is a podcast exactly and
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where do I got to go?
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>> Yeah, totally. It was 2012, right? So
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>> 16 the it was 16.
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>> The number of people that used to come
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to that house would drive up to my
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driveway and literally say like, "Where
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are we? Is this part of LA? I've never
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been out here.
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>> What are we doing?"
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>> Yeah. I can't believe you got him out
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there because I can't believe you got me
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out there. I can't believe you got Todd
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Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger
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one.
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>> Yeah. Rich Boss was right after Obama.
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That was tough to get him out. Yeah.
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It's It gets hard sometimes.
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>> Was it a a ratings drop so much you
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pulled a muscle or
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>> We just thought it was appropriate
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[laughter]
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to continue what we were doing,
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>> right?
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>> We did one episode with where me and my
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producer discussed the day of having
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Obama on the podcast and we went right
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to Rich and I, you know, Rich is going
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to pull what he's going to pull. Yeah,
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somewhere lower middle. It's okay.
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>> Well, Rich is no offense to him. I was
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just laughing like whoever has to follow
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Obama's just going to be a tough
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sledding. That's all.
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>> That's right.
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>> I don't know if he I I don't know if he
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thought about it like that. Rich is a
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Rich is a good guy.
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>> I don't think he gives a [ __ ]
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>> So, everyone be had a podcast now. Like
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literally. So, you you It's you and um
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Rogan, right? 2009.
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So,
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>> I guess there was it was really like
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Corolla was there. Uh, Rogan I don't I
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don't think started at the same I think
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Rogan started a little after us but uh
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like Jimmy Parardo was there.
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>> Benson Benson was probably there. Maybe
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Hardwick was like starting out. I think
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Rogan started a little after me but
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there was like four or five guys
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collectively not making money doing
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podcasts.
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>> You know Todd Glass is good at not
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making money and I think he had one
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early. He's a good friend of mine
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>> right with with Jimmy Door.
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>> Yeah. So that's a
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I think what happened with that was he
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put in all that work and was very
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forward thinking and I think got out
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right before the money maybe. Is that or
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does he still do it?
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>> No, I I think that's Todd's whole plan
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in general is to try to [laughter]
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>> get out get ahead of making the money.
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>> Yeah, that's kind of But [clears throat]
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what's funny is I used to think uh a
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podcast because he had it at my friend's
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car shop upstairs which he just rented
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which was perfect. It was perfect.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And uh
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The odd thing about the whole
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undertaking was none of us really there
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was really no money to be made. You
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know, Adam was like doing his radio
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show. So, he was kind of subsidized
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somehow.
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>> Did he get fired and said, "Okay, I'm
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just going to do it on here." kind of
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thing. There wasn't a 97.1 maybe
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>> or he got fed up mad about something
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like that. Whatever. Yeah,
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>> he was all worked up and, you know, he
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was going to take his stories about, you
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know, drywalling from 20 years ago
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elsewhere. [laughter]
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He is a handyman.
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>> That's funny. He's [clears throat] a
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He's good with a good with a tool.
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>> Oh yeah. But [laughter] but I was I was
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like I got a little bit of a tsunami
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warning because I remember I thought
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Corollas I think I went on there a
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little early where I was like before the
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real podcast thing was sort of hitting
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which
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>> right
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>> it was sort of a slow I I could get a
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feel for it before most people because
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everyone else has just got their head
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doing their work and they do normal
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jobs. But I started to go oh no is this
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something? And then uh I said, "I'm
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going to wait till it's a little late,
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then we're going to try one." So
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>> yeah. No, but but the good thing about
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when you guys got in is somebody
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realized like, "Hey, you guys have
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names. You can't lose." Before it was
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like, "Who the [ __ ] are these guys?"
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>> We found a way to lose. Well, [laughter]
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>> good for you.
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>> But I don't think anybody really
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realizes the the excitement in, you
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know, when you when Corola was like the
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only game in town. Like I I I think
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there's a sort of baptism when one goes
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on to Corolla's show to be talked at by
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Corolla. Uh [laughter]
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>> that's a good hour of entertainment
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where you're there as a guest and he
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talks at you and then says, "Okay, well,
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thanks for coming by." It's it's
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something to be experienced.
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>> We're working.
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>> There's room room for everybody. But it
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did you have a Eureka moment that you
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could call back on like, "Holy [ __ ]
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maybe there's money in this cuz how long
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did you do it essentially for free
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before
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>> to arrive to beame?"
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>> Hold on. My I I'm watching my cat throw
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up. Don't eat plastic. Get out of
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>> Did you have a urethra moment? I did
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when I peed last night.
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>> I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay.
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Anyway, so
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>> I don't even know if that's right. Well,
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well,
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>> no, I'm kidding. I didn't check
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[laughter]
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>> what happened was
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there was like at the beginning you you
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either had if you were going to put up a
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payw wall you couldn't you couldn't get
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new audience right so we had done a
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radio show
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>> a goodbye wall
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>> yeah goodbye wall no no no one welcome
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[laughter]
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>> let's put up a goodbye wall on ours Dan
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>> you can do well that was before the uh p
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the what is it called uh what's that
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that thing everyone does where they can
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get a pay page Pantheon or what is it
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Oh,
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>> Rathon. We all don't know Pat.
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>> You know that I know what you mean.
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Patreon.
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>> Patreon. Patreon.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, what we did was we had like two
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advertisers from the old radio days. It
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was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve
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sex toys. And we had
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>> Crazy Eddie's electronics,
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>> that kind of thing. But then we had the
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coffee sponsor. But there was there was
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really no way to to to make money and
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except for the old school radio way. And
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then ultimately we started working with
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oldtimey radio
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>> ad people and then Jeff Olrich and Scott
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Arian put midroll together and uh and
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the earwolf network and that created a
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platform to get advertisers into
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specifically podcasting. So everyone
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sort of came up together but it wasn't
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until I guess
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>> hey Charlie get away from the plastic
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Charlie I'm going to throw you out
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stupid. So um that's how you talk to a
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cat by the way. Is that your com your
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tech?
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>> Yeah, that's my producer IT guy.
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>> I don't know. You know, it was a slow
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going, but the the great thing about it
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was everybody kind of came up together.
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Sort of like show business. Everybody
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was kind of figuring it out as we all
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went along and then big money got
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involved and then some people won and
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some people did okay. Come on,
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>> dude. Charlie's here now. Charlie, give
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me that.
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>> Get him out of the Hold on. Let me get
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him out of here. Let me get him out of
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here. Honestly, Charles, put him on
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Glendale freeway.
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>> I know.
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>> Get out. You can eat plastic and throw
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up. You can't stay in the show is
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Heather, we got to get Charlie on.
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>> Um but but yeah, I mean it took a long
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time to really get it together and then
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to uh to make a living. It took years
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for my producer to come on with me
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permanently. He was actually had another
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job at MSNBC while he he was kind of
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moonlighting and he couldn't even admit
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that he worked with me.
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because
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>> there's a non-disclosure. He couldn't,
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you know, he couldn't um
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>> Yeah, it was it was part of his contract
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with MSNBC and I felt horrible about it
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because he's doing half the work and I
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and I just had to be like, well, I have
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a mystery guy that uh helps me with
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this. I send it into the ether once or
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twice a week.
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>> It's good. More attention on you. That's
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not horrible.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes not for not great
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for me.
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>> What What's the headsp space like? Like
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when you first start doing this, I guess
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when it starts to emerge, you're doing
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you're starting to be successful,
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>> right?
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>> And you're going, "Okay, I did this
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interview, I get this many this
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reaction.
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>> I do this interview. Holy [ __ ] this is
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10 times 10x."
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>> Well, I think the the exciting part
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about it was
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was like as the podcast situation grew,
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I was doing a type of interview that not
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many people were doing anymore. So the
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entertainment press sort of realized I
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was doing most of their job. So we got a
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lot of attention, but I was really
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focused on having these conversations
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and trying to uh you know make amends
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where necessary. I think the first
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hundred episodes are me just uh having
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people over so I can talk about my
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problems and apologize to them. And
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that's
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>> and it's weird how many times you do
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that and people go like I had no idea
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what you're talking about and you're
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like I'm a [ __ ] idiot. So So that was
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how that unfolded. But the excitement of
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having Robin on with cuz that interview
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seems to be like the only interview like
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that. Like when he when he died it was
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everywhere because he never talked like
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that and and those kind of rare
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conversations definitely happened.
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>> That was interesting because you did it
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became very very real with Robin and he
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never you know he had made amends to me
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in Mil Valley on a sidewalk just after a
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show. Yeah. And I didn't know why
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>> for a bit he just stole.
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>> Sorry.
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>> I I just said to him, he thinks he think
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had some idea that I took I I said I
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tried to do you. You don't understand. I
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>> I had a trunk of props. I worshiped you.
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You know, and I don't know if it was
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from AA or something like, oh, this
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wasn't supposed to go this way. You
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know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're
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forgiven. But I didn't. He thought I had
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a thing where I named my dick Mr. happy
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and that he took that from me. I know
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that's not true. I never did Mr. Happy.
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Look what the Look where this goes on
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podcast.
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>> That was That's hilarious. That was the
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amends. It wasn't even like some deep
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personal affront. It's like I I know you
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might have called your dick Mr. Happy
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and Oh, that's the best amend I' ever
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heard in my life.
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>> To me, 20 years earlier at Dennis
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Miller's wedding, we were at the same
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table. I wonder perhaps I got Mr. Happy
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from you. And I go, no. And then it it
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it tortured him.
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>> It stuck with him. Well, the the funny
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thing about that interview is I drove up
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there to Mil Valley to his house. And
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what I realized it was the same with Mel
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Brooks
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>> is that if they don't have more than two
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people to play to,
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>> they're not going to turn it on like
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that. Like it was just me and Robin. If
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there had been one other person there,
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they would have had the Carnegie Hall
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set.
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>> Yeah.
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>> My dick's name is Mr. Sad. And a side
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note, and no one's stolen it yet.
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>> Ah. Oh,
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>> okay. That's all I wanted. [laughter] Go
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ahead. Just want to stop the momentum.
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This My dick's name is You got this. You
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got it. [laughter]
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>> My dick's name is Come on, champ. Come
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on.
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>> Yeah.
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>> My pronouns are What's up, [ __ ]
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>> Yeah. There you go. Call Rosenne.
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>> So,
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you get successful.
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>> We I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes.
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But your brand authenticity.
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>> No. I have a question for Mark Mary.
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>> Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How
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do I How did I get this gig?
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>> No, this is good because
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>> No, you your story of SNL. Just a quick
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insert, David. When we interviewed
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Lauren Michaels, I listened to your
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podcast about auditioning for SNL just
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to get ideas of how Lauren is in that
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environment. So,
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>> yeah, he really
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>> you are an SNL guy. Your journey with
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that is fascinating. If you want to talk
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about it for
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>> my obsession with it. What's your
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question, David? I I I'd like to
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converse. Mhm.
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>> This one won't we we can do this first
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or SNL first, but mine was Why did you
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start it? Was it only to make amends?
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Was that to start a podcast?
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>> No, because you know, I was kind of down
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for the count. You know, it turns out
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that, you know, 50 Conan don't
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necessarily
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>> don't add up to a Carson. [laughter]
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>> Don't add up to Conan
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>> an audience.
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>> I was going to say I saw 50 Conan on
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here and I was going to say, does that
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bump your road? Does it you know? No, it
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didn't. And I don't
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>> 50 Conan
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>> I don't even know like I could I never
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could pull an audience and and uh you
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know I was I was going through a
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divorce. I was in a dark place. I just
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gotten fired from this radio gig. Uh
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well it was it was a streaming gig for
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Air America and there were a couple
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podcasts out there and we were like
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let's let's figure it out. I talked to
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my producer who I've known since he was
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a kid uh 24 years old. He he worked with
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me forever and we just figured it out.
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But it was really desperation and
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wanting to stay in the game somehow
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because I was looking down the barrel at
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a lifetime of you know kind of you know
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be comedy rooms as a non-selling
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headliner and
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>> match game. Well, maybe. [laughter]
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>> Yeah, I know. I know. Believe me, every
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friends that are in that mid-level
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market and there's cruise ships and old
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folks homes and clubs, off label clubs
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out in the Hinder
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tough, but I couldn't do it. There was
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no way I could have done it. How am I
00:15:50
going to do a cruise ship? I can barely
00:15:52
do like what I don't know. But because
00:15:55
of the podcast, because of the cosmic
00:15:57
timing or what, everything that I have
00:16:00
now came from that like, you know, doing
00:16:03
the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing
00:16:06
an audience for my comedy, acting gigs,
00:16:09
everything happened because of that sort
00:16:12
of act of of desperation and Hail Mary
00:16:16
pass, which had no future. There was no
00:16:18
I wasn't getting into a business that
00:16:20
was like, "This is going to we're going
00:16:21
to really make some money on this." It
00:16:23
was like we didn't even know how to get
00:16:25
people to listen to it.
00:16:26
>> Yeah. You were like Bitcoin. Like no one
00:16:29
cared.
00:16:29
>> No one cared. I wasn't Yeah. I wasn't
00:16:31
even a meme at that point.
00:16:32
>> Yeah. [laughter]
00:16:34
>> But it worked out. I mean, you know,
00:16:35
thank God it worked out. I don't even I
00:16:37
can't even explain it because I don't
00:16:39
I'm not like a big uh not a big think. I
00:16:41
don't think about money, David.
00:16:43
>> Yeah. Oh, you don't?
00:16:45
>> I like having it enough to eat.
00:16:47
>> Yeah.
00:16:48
>> You know, like that's that's the that's
00:16:49
how my brain works is like, well, what
00:16:51
do you how you you have money now. What
00:16:53
do you do? I can eat wherever I want.
00:16:56
And
00:16:56
>> that's the ceiling.
00:16:58
>> Money. Money is freedom. That's what
00:16:59
it's for. Even the great Neil Young
00:17:02
about two years ago finally sold part of
00:17:05
his catalog
00:17:07
>> and said, "I can." And this is Neil
00:17:09
Young. You'd think he'd be so rich, but
00:17:12
he he said, "Now I can do whatever the
00:17:14
[ __ ] I want. I don't have to tour if I
00:17:16
don't want to." That he bought his
00:17:18
freedom. So money to me, especially as a
00:17:20
older comedian, you want to be able to
00:17:22
work the way you want to work. So that's
00:17:24
>> what's interesting about Neil Young is
00:17:26
he really he kind of held back on what
00:17:28
seems to be about 50 records he never
00:17:30
released. So somehow or another, he can
00:17:32
release records every year or so, you
00:17:35
know, from 1970. Oh, yeah. It's amazing.
00:17:38
>> He can
00:17:39
>> if you have if you're spending three
00:17:41
four million a year, then you have you
00:17:43
need a lot of money to cough that up,
00:17:46
you know. But I was going to ask you
00:17:47
about your library because is it 1600
00:17:49
episodes or something?
00:17:50
>> Something like that.
00:17:51
>> Yeah, it's like about 1,600. But Neil
00:17:53
came over once. That was that was
00:17:55
interesting with Neil.
00:17:57
>> Oh, you interviewed Oh, you had Neil.
00:17:59
What? Tell me about that. I didn't hear
00:18:01
that one.
00:18:01
>> Well, because I you know I'm I'm enough
00:18:03
of a fan to know enough about him. It's
00:18:05
I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of
00:18:07
somebody in terms of interviewing
00:18:10
>> and I didn't know what to expect. He was
00:18:11
out pushing, remember when he he made
00:18:12
that that he was part partnered up with
00:18:15
a company that made that thing that was
00:18:16
supposed to compete with the iPod?
00:18:18
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a
00:18:20
sound fanatic.
00:18:22
It was something else.
00:18:24
>> No, I I it was it was like a a box,
00:18:27
>> like a portable box. Oh, what was it
00:18:29
called? So they send me this thing and
00:18:32
they send me these fancy ear headset and
00:18:35
it's it picks up a bigger spectrum of
00:18:37
sound and
00:18:40
people have to re-record for but the
00:18:42
what was it called? Doesn't matter.
00:18:44
>> So they send me
00:18:45
>> look it up.
00:18:47
>> They send me the thing
00:18:49
>> and I listen to it. I'm like all right
00:18:50
what whatever I just wanted I'll talk to
00:18:52
Neil Young. So, [laughter] so he they
00:18:55
sent me the thing and they're and I was
00:18:57
told that like when they get there
00:18:58
you're going to have to give it back and
00:18:59
I'm like all right whatever. So Neil
00:19:01
Young's coming over and I'm nervous
00:19:04
because it's [ __ ] Neil Young and like
00:19:06
I I know that with somebody like him
00:19:08
because I'm not a huge fan. Every Neil
00:19:10
Young nerd in the world is going to be
00:19:13
listening for for new information or
00:19:15
call me an idiot for not knowing
00:19:17
something. That's something I've learned
00:19:18
with with guys like Springsteen and
00:19:20
these guys interview. So Neil comes over
00:19:22
with his like 80year-old posi. He's got
00:19:25
he's got two two guys with him that, you
00:19:28
know, must have been in their 70s.
00:19:29
Elliot, his manager, who passed away,
00:19:31
and another guy. And
00:19:33
>> the manager is even older than the old
00:19:35
guy.
00:19:36
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Except for uh George
00:19:39
Shapiro, who was Carl Riner's cousin.
00:19:41
Younger, but still old. I don't even
00:19:42
know if he's still alive, but
00:19:43
>> Pono, I think he passed away.
00:19:45
>> Pono. Yeah. Pono.
00:19:46
>> Pono music. Digital service music. Yeah.
00:19:49
So they come over and Neil walks in and
00:19:51
you remember the house. You said it like
00:19:53
it's just two rooms. He's looking at my
00:19:55
records. He looks at a guitar I have
00:19:57
out. He goes over and he plays the
00:19:59
guitar and he's looking around and and I
00:20:02
say, "Uh, all right. So, I guess you
00:20:04
guys can have back the the Pomo and the
00:20:06
headphones." And Neil just, you know,
00:20:09
just goes, "Uh, no, you can keep them."
00:20:11
So, I'm thinking, "I'm in. This guy
00:20:13
likes me." Right. So,
00:20:14
>> yeah.
00:20:15
>> We go out to the garage. Mhm.
00:20:17
>> And I decided the way to the way to
00:20:19
start with him is just I have an old
00:20:21
amplifier that I think he uses one
00:20:23
similar to it. So I figured that'll get
00:20:25
things started, right? So I get Neil out
00:20:27
there and I'm like, "So you probably
00:20:29
recognize that amp there, right?" He's
00:20:30
like, "No, I don't know what you're
00:20:32
talking about."
00:20:32
>> Yeah.
00:20:33
>> And I'm like, "Fuck." And then it was
00:20:35
just,
00:20:35
>> well, he did though, but I didn't know.
00:20:37
No one told me he likes to [ __ ] with
00:20:39
interviewers, so he's making me work my
00:20:42
balls off. And it wasn't until I got him
00:20:44
laughing that it opened up. But it took
00:20:46
like 15 minutes and it was like it was
00:20:49
hard. But then like all of a sudden he
00:20:51
pops open. He's talking about doing
00:20:52
Pilates with the Daryl Hannah and all
00:20:55
this stuff is coming out.
00:20:57
>> And then apparently he goes home and at
00:21:00
his house Dan Rather is waiting to
00:21:02
interview him
00:21:03
>> for Dan Rather's podcast. I don't know
00:21:06
or
00:21:06
>> whatever the hell it was, right? Cable.
00:21:08
>> And my buddy Brendan's friend works for
00:21:10
Rather. And apparently Neil Young walks
00:21:12
in and he come from my house. He kind He
00:21:15
says, "I just did a really great
00:21:16
interview." And Dan Rather off camera,
00:21:18
of course, says, "What made it great?"
00:21:21
He goes, "Uh, the guy was fearless and
00:21:24
he wasn't afraid to fail." And I'm like,
00:21:26
"Hey, that's good. That's a good blur."
00:21:28
>> Wow.
00:21:29
>> But he tested me. He definitely tested
00:21:31
me.
00:21:32
>> Wow.
00:21:33
>> I would freak out
00:21:34
>> that we had we had um Dave and I similar
00:21:37
thing with Paul McCartney. I don't know
00:21:41
>> if you have or with your personality,
00:21:44
but podcast regret like why did I
00:21:46
interrupt him then? That was the best
00:21:48
part. Why did it take me so long to get
00:21:50
there? And I'll be kind of in my head
00:21:52
really for a couple weeks sometimes.
00:21:55
McCartney bothered me for probably a
00:21:57
month.
00:21:58
>> I uh I get what I get is like, [ __ ] I
00:22:00
forgot to cover the most important thing
00:22:02
they're known for. Yeah. But um but I
00:22:05
interrupt all the time and people
00:22:06
sometimes get on me. But it's like for
00:22:08
but for me it's like it's got to be a
00:22:10
conversation and I have to be part of
00:22:12
it. So suck it up or don't listen. But
00:22:14
McCartney was funny. I had to interview
00:22:16
him in front of a crowd and that was
00:22:18
really one of the best moments I've had
00:22:20
talking to somebody.
00:22:22
Because I talked to a lot of these guys
00:22:24
who are like, you know, pushing a record
00:22:26
and and a lot of them like Roger Waters
00:22:29
or like I've interviewed a lot of Thomas
00:22:31
Dolby whatever. They think that the
00:22:33
record they're out promoting is their
00:22:35
best [ __ ] right? And it's like, "All
00:22:37
right, I I'll play along." So with
00:22:40
McCartney,
00:22:41
[laughter]
00:22:43
>> so with McCartney, he's out selling, it
00:22:46
was at Capital Records, it was an event,
00:22:48
but the record that he had had out was
00:22:49
Egypt Station or something, which no one
00:22:52
bought. But
00:22:53
>> Mhm.
00:22:53
>> I said to him, I said, "Uh, so Paul, you
00:22:56
know, a lot of artists who who are in
00:22:58
your age group, they they really think
00:23:00
that they're doing their their best work
00:23:02
now. Do you do you feel that way?" And
00:23:05
without missing a beat, he goes, "Well,
00:23:06
I was in the Beatles, so that's a pretty
00:23:09
high bar." It was so funny.
00:23:11
>> That's That's And I was the guy that
00:23:13
told him that Manson had died. He didn't
00:23:15
know.
00:23:17
>> Huh. I think for for me, there's a lot
00:23:19
of us.
00:23:20
>> How where are you in the SP? I mean for
00:23:22
I I wanted to ask you musically but also
00:23:25
movies but with music what what is there
00:23:27
a guy somebody you haven't had yet or
00:23:29
who was your true north star was it was
00:23:33
it well Roger Waters Pink Floyd Dark
00:23:35
Side of the Moon um for me Paul
00:23:38
McCartney a beetle was kind of the
00:23:41
>> was great and I met Ringo recently who
00:23:42
I'm sure you've met he's a pretty sweet
00:23:44
guy
00:23:44
>> No we would love to interview Ringo
00:23:46
>> yeah I I met him at some odd listening
00:23:48
party that I got invited to by T-Bone
00:23:50
Bernett of of Ringo new country record
00:23:53
and that crowd was pretty interesting to
00:23:56
see these like 75year-old hippie girls
00:23:58
who are still kind of hippie girls but
00:24:00
they're 75 but [laughter] uh
00:24:03
>> wait who had the country album Ringo?
00:24:05
>> Yeah put it out. Yeah
00:24:07
>> TBone Bernett produced it and I think he
00:24:10
prod he No Beyonce did I think she got a
00:24:12
little more press but um
00:24:15
>> but no for me the North Star I've had
00:24:17
most of them. Springsteen wasn't
00:24:19
Springsteen was funny because, you know,
00:24:23
and I just saw him because I did a bit a
00:24:25
little part in that that movie they're
00:24:27
making about him. But I I went to
00:24:30
Jersey, dude. I went to his house in
00:24:33
Jersey like Christmas week and he just
00:24:36
put that book out and you know, it turns
00:24:38
out he's a very dark dude, very hard on
00:24:41
himself, but all this stuff.
00:24:43
>> But like, you know, he's got this thing
00:24:44
he does publicly. That's the other
00:24:46
trick, getting around people's public
00:24:47
personas cuz you know Bruce is sort of
00:24:49
like, "Hey, me and the guys went down
00:24:51
this boardwalk and [laughter] so
00:24:54
>> saw some [ __ ] wrote a song."
00:24:56
>> Yeah. So
00:24:57
>> yeah, we we know about all about that.
00:25:00
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:01
>> It's the underbite.
00:25:02
>> I get there and like I said, he's up in
00:25:05
his house. I'm waiting in some sort of
00:25:07
like this other structure that's got his
00:25:10
guitars, his motorcycle in it. And I'm
00:25:13
waiting for Bruce and he yeah he has no
00:25:15
idea really I don't think who I am
00:25:17
because he's walking down [laughter]
00:25:18
he's walking down from the house. His
00:25:20
publisher and publicist said you should
00:25:22
do this one and he's walking down from
00:25:24
the house. I just see him coming down
00:25:25
little Bruce.
00:25:26
>> Yeah. And he's holding the book and I'm
00:25:28
like oh he doesn't know what he's
00:25:30
getting into. So
00:25:31
>> here we [laughter]
00:25:32
>> So he sits down and I'm just trying I
00:25:34
want to break the ice quick because
00:25:35
again I don't I'm not I love Bruce but
00:25:37
I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So, so I
00:25:41
said to him, I said, "Uh, so uh, so
00:25:43
what's going on up at the house? I had
00:25:45
preparation for the holidays, cooking
00:25:47
and presents." And he goes, "Correct."
00:25:50
And I'm like, "Can I talk to that guy
00:25:52
for the whole hour?" Whoever the guy
00:25:54
that just went correct with that tone, I
00:25:57
want that spring. [laughter]
00:25:59
>> And and and what how did you did you do
00:26:02
that? Did you
00:26:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I kind of reeled them in
00:26:05
because like I by inserting myself into
00:26:09
the conversation, they kind of they're
00:26:10
forced to kind of reckon with me unless
00:26:13
they're complete douchebags like Ben
00:26:14
Kingsley. So,
00:26:16
>> and I don't mean to name drop, but
00:26:19
>> I love I love Sexy Beast.
00:26:22
>> [ __ ] [clears throat] unbelievable.
00:26:23
>> It was the the worst interview. Like, I
00:26:26
should have told him to leave. It was
00:26:28
that bad. And I don't know why I didn't
00:26:31
>> because you and he's hung up on me. I'm
00:26:33
being called uh uh knight
00:26:35
>> sir.
00:26:36
>> Sir sir sir Ben.
00:26:37
>> So I and I didn't do that at the
00:26:39
beginning and I wish I said I wish I
00:26:41
just said sir Ben we don't have to do
00:26:43
this. We don't have to do it. Um, but
00:26:45
anyway,
00:26:47
>> with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you
00:26:49
know, and I to the point where I was
00:26:51
relating to him and his experience with
00:26:53
audiences and stuff. And I just remember
00:26:54
there was this moment where, you know,
00:26:58
we're talking about what you get from an
00:27:00
audience and how like it it it's like
00:27:03
not enough sometimes. And he was like,
00:27:04
"Of course it isn't." So, I had him
00:27:07
locked into a real conversation, which
00:27:09
again, I heard from another person. And
00:27:11
I got some notes on that too because
00:27:14
Paul Wilkinfeld, do you know her? The
00:27:16
bass player.
00:27:17
>> Mhm.
00:27:18
>> She's a little prodigy. She plays with
00:27:20
everybody and she's
00:27:21
>> Oh, play with Jeff Beck at one point.
00:27:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:24
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:27:25
>> And she hangs around the store a lot and
00:27:26
stuff. Well, she was going on a press
00:27:28
tour and she I guess was, you know,
00:27:29
somewhere with Bruce and she was asking
00:27:31
for advice on how to handle interviewers
00:27:34
and and Bruce told her that no matter
00:27:38
what they want to talk about, you just
00:27:40
talk about what you want to talk about.
00:27:42
Just, you know, bulldoz.
00:27:43
>> Yeah.
00:27:44
>> And then she said, uh, well, you know,
00:27:46
my friend Mark Merin interviewed you and
00:27:48
he said, yeah, he pushed. [laughter]
00:27:52
>> Oh, that's good. Well, you know, I think
00:27:53
Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that.
00:27:54
He'd say, you'd ask him a question like,
00:27:57
"What happened with those maids?" And he
00:27:58
goes, "This movie is unbelievable."
00:28:00
[laughter]
00:28:01
>> He just, he's like, cuz you can't use
00:28:02
anything but what he says, and he
00:28:03
doesn't even acknowledge your question.
00:28:05
>> I love that Arnold can never go
00:28:07
negative. He had one movie, I guess,
00:28:09
Last Action Hero, he's on Matt Lowour.
00:28:12
Well, the box office wasn't quite No,
00:28:14
people love the movie and it's a great
00:28:16
hit all over the world.
00:28:17
>> [laughter]
00:28:17
>> you know, there's a he can't ever go
00:28:20
negative, but uh
00:28:21
>> the best dance he does is around his dad
00:28:23
probably being a Nazi. That that's the
00:28:25
great dance cuz he'll he'll always
00:28:27
preempt up with like, you know, I have
00:28:28
many Jewish friends, you know, like,
00:28:30
okay, okay,
00:28:31
>> okay, [laughter]
00:28:33
>> we taught us salute and for us it was
00:28:36
just if you want a candy bar, you do the
00:28:38
salute and he gives you a little
00:28:40
chocolate in your hand. You know what it
00:28:42
was about and things like this and all
00:28:44
these things and these people and what
00:28:47
these aliens all this stuff all this
00:28:49
stuff.
00:28:50
>> Does he ever talk about the maid? We
00:28:52
love Arnold.
00:28:53
>> He has a relationship with the kid, you
00:28:54
know, and I think you after a certain
00:28:56
point you just kind of focus on that
00:28:58
because whatever the transgression was,
00:29:00
he's he's owned it and you know he's
00:29:02
he's he's good with the kid. So
00:29:04
>> once everything came out and he finally
00:29:07
goes, "All right, let's go bench."
00:29:09
>> [laughter]
00:29:10
>> And the kids like trying to meet him in
00:29:12
the middle like I work out.
00:29:15
>> Yeah, you're my dad. Look at my face.
00:29:17
>> Yeah, [laughter] it is what you can't
00:29:19
run and you have to move on. Yeah, it's
00:29:21
a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers,
00:29:23
I've got three older brothers and we
00:29:24
always say, "What would Arnold do?" Only
00:29:27
for [laughter] the positivity of it.
00:29:29
>> It is what it is and you have to move on
00:29:31
and I love everybody and it rather than
00:29:34
negative and whiny. It seems to me like
00:29:37
anxiety is like a theme or depression of
00:29:40
artists in some ways. So you go with
00:29:43
that. Did you? Because Springsteen's
00:29:45
whole book is about that.
00:29:46
>> Oh yeah. Well, that was the great thing
00:29:47
about talking to Arnold is that he won't
00:29:49
let you do that.
00:29:51
>> Like he he's got a switch in his head.
00:29:53
Like he won't even hear it. Like you
00:29:55
know and he's very charming. Like he you
00:29:57
know Oh yeah.
00:29:58
>> Like he you know he gets on he sits
00:30:00
down. He goes look at your pics. You
00:30:02
know like you know like [laughter]
00:30:04
He goes right into it and you you kind
00:30:07
of feel flattered. You're like, "Oh,
00:30:08
thank you." Yeah.
00:30:09
>> Somebody skip Delt. You know what he
00:30:11
said to us, Mark? He goes, "How do you
00:30:14
guys stay so lean?" You know, because
00:30:17
you're little and the whole thing now is
00:30:19
to get little because the little dogs
00:30:22
live longer than the big dogs. Two
00:30:25
little dogs interviewing.
00:30:26
>> So little.
00:30:27
>> The whole time he's not even listening
00:30:28
to our questions. Is he just staring at
00:30:30
our physique going,
00:30:33
>> the rib cage?
00:30:34
>> I need to get small. When you get older,
00:30:36
you have to be small cuz the heart and
00:30:39
all the things has to work harder and
00:30:40
all the things and all the
00:30:42
>> I think his heart kind of blew up,
00:30:43
didn't it? He's got some had some work
00:30:45
done in there.
00:30:51
>> I have another question for Mark. This
00:30:53
my second one. Mark, do you think you
00:30:57
don't remember this, you were in the
00:30:58
movie Joker now? Do you think that did
00:31:01
you do you think what happened to the
00:31:03
second Joker in your humble opinion?
00:31:07
>> I don't know what I I think Todd
00:31:09
Phillips convinced himself that he was
00:31:10
actually an artist of some kind
00:31:13
and decided to take this interesting
00:31:16
cinematic risk that, you know, uh, you
00:31:20
know, failed miserably apparently. But,
00:31:22
uh, I didn't see it. Did you?
00:31:24
>> I heard about it. I couldn't get through
00:31:26
the poster.
00:31:27
>> I didn't see it. I just
00:31:29
>> couldn't get
00:31:30
>> I I couldn't take when I the [laughter]
00:31:36
>> No. And I love Todd Phillips. I think
00:31:38
it's one of those things as as I
00:31:39
backtrack. I think it's one of those
00:31:41
things where
00:31:42
>> great movie Dana was about to say some
00:31:44
comments, but same thing. great movie
00:31:46
and then it it's it's just crazy if you
00:31:49
can do literally anything you want and
00:31:51
he just goes let me just try this will
00:31:53
work or won't work.
00:31:55
>> Well, the interesting thing is is he he
00:31:57
had a you know he rebuilt a a good
00:32:00
franchise possibility by really
00:32:02
exploring that character in the first
00:32:04
one.
00:32:04
>> So cool. So weird and cool. And you
00:32:07
know, uh, it was,
00:32:09
>> I don't know, you he was nice to me and
00:32:11
that was an exciting day because, you
00:32:13
know, I got to do like a little scene
00:32:16
with Robert Dairo and, you know, I
00:32:20
thought that movie was pretty good, that
00:32:22
first Joker, but who the hell knows why,
00:32:24
you know, he's a gambler, dude. You
00:32:25
know, he just is like, you know, [ __ ]
00:32:27
it. Sure, let's let's do it. And yeah, I
00:32:29
don't know
00:32:30
>> what's his uh net worth. I mean, he has
00:32:32
freedom. I think if he got a backend on
00:32:34
the hangover, He's got a back end on
00:32:36
everything. He's like I think known for
00:32:38
foregoing a director's fee.
00:32:40
>> Super back end.
00:32:41
>> Yeah. For a high percentage of the back
00:32:43
end.
00:32:44
>> But but that scene with Dairo was like
00:32:46
that was that was a great that was a
00:32:48
great moment for me because
00:32:51
>> you know I you know I know that Dairo's
00:32:53
not he's not going to remember me. You
00:32:54
know I'm just one of those guys that
00:32:56
he's met a hundred guys that do two
00:32:57
lines with him. Right.
00:32:59
>> You're forgettable. Yeah.
00:33:00
>> Yeah. And uh I know it's it's painful,
00:33:02
but uh but we're chatting and whatever,
00:33:04
you know,
00:33:05
>> but it's one scene where
00:33:08
we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm
00:33:10
supposed to be like, you know, his
00:33:12
producer.
00:33:12
>> Those are hard, by the way.
00:33:14
>> They are at home.
00:33:15
>> It got cut out. But uh but that, you
00:33:18
know, we you know, Todd's there, Bob's
00:33:20
there, and and it's like, "You guys just
00:33:21
want to go? You ready to do it?" I'm
00:33:23
like, "Yeah, let's Yeah, let's do one."
00:33:25
So So we do this walk and talk, and I'm
00:33:27
like guy. And he's like, "Yeah, yeah.
00:33:30
and [laughter] and
00:33:34
Phillips goes cut. And I go back to my
00:33:36
chair and I see Robert go to his chair
00:33:38
and then I see Robert walk over to Todd
00:33:40
and then walk back to his chair and then
00:33:43
and then then Todd walks over to me and
00:33:45
he goes, "Hey, you're you're coming in a
00:33:47
little hot."
00:33:49
[laughter]
00:33:51
[clears throat]
00:33:52
>> Just remember Bob's your boss. I'm like,
00:33:54
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I got it." But
00:33:56
you got to appreciate the fact that Bob
00:33:57
handled it correctly on set. He went and
00:34:00
told the director like, "Hey, you know,
00:34:01
I think he's, you know, he's not really
00:34:05
his name."
00:34:08
>> Will you tell him?
00:34:09
>> Tell him tell Mr. Marin.
00:34:12
>> Yeah. I had a girl say it to my face.
00:34:15
>> She said,
00:34:16
>> it was just an I did an old movie and
00:34:18
then uh I had to kiss a girl. Well, I
00:34:20
won't say who. I had to kiss her and I
00:34:21
said, "Hey, before and I don't know how
00:34:23
I've never done this on camera." Like,
00:34:25
she goes, "Just kiss me like I'm your
00:34:26
girlfriend. Just anything. I don't
00:34:27
care."
00:34:28
>> And I said, "All right." So, I I just
00:34:31
kiss her, not not crazily. I just kiss
00:34:33
her, but I touch her cheek and kiss her.
00:34:35
And they go, "Cut." And we're all like,
00:34:36
"Okay." And the director comes up and
00:34:39
she says, she's not even one foot away
00:34:41
from my face. She goes, "Can you tell
00:34:43
him not to touch my face?"
00:34:46
>> Wow.
00:34:46
>> And him was me. She did the correct way.
00:34:49
She told the director, but right there,
00:34:52
>> I just made me think of that cuz I was
00:34:54
like I was horrified. I'm like, oh. Cuz
00:34:56
you know, kissing someone is so too it's
00:34:59
so scary and you just don't
00:35:00
>> That's interesting though, right? That's
00:35:02
interesting because she said, "Kiss me
00:35:04
like you're my my girl, like she's your
00:35:07
girlfriend."
00:35:08
>> But apparently the intimacy of the hand
00:35:10
touch Yeah.
00:35:11
>> was not something she anticipated. Or
00:35:14
maybe she just has never had a a a
00:35:17
boyfriend that she let touch her face.
00:35:19
>> Yes. And I and I wasn't like a super
00:35:21
Frenchon. I was just trying to like give
00:35:23
her a little mega, you know, just to
00:35:25
open it. You just kiss a little bit.
00:35:26
It's nothing crazy. It's cute little
00:35:28
movie. Nobody gets hurt. And uh
00:35:30
>> you never know what's going to happen
00:35:31
with those things, you know.
00:35:32
>> So you kissed Bob Dairo. I got like
00:35:34
every off camera. That was crazy.
00:35:36
>> You go, "Hey, I'm ad libing."
00:35:38
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm improvising. Can we
00:35:40
improvise?
00:35:40
>> But were you scared? I did a quick scene
00:35:42
in the old days with William Defoe in my
00:35:44
very very old days in a part that Dana
00:35:46
turned down and um during SNL and well
00:35:51
Paul Shrader was the director
00:35:53
>> and I was almost sick from nerves cuz
00:35:55
I'm going and William Defoe super cool
00:35:58
did one scene same thing he wouldn't
00:36:00
remember in a million years but of
00:36:03
course you get your nerves just ramp up.
00:36:05
Mine were it's Dairo. It's still no
00:36:07
matter what it's
00:36:08
>> Oh, totally. I I felt okay about it
00:36:10
because I don't know like I think I'm
00:36:12
getting better at acting. But the
00:36:14
benefit I talked to W Defo Not a great
00:36:16
time. Not a great [laughter] time.
00:36:19
>> Not a great time.
00:36:20
>> We've had some toughies on here, too.
00:36:22
Some are toughies.
00:36:23
>> Yeah. I don't I don't know if I said
00:36:25
something to piss him off, but it was
00:36:26
like, come on, dude. You know, it's like
00:36:28
just roll. For [ __ ] sake,
00:36:30
>> I got to look at your face for an hour.
00:36:32
So [laughter]
00:36:36
>> he's got a lot of character in his face.
00:36:37
>> He's great character.
00:36:38
>> It's not It's not a negative thing
00:36:40
necessarily. It's intense.
00:36:43
>> It's an intense face to stare at for an
00:36:45
hour.
00:36:45
>> Yeah.
00:36:46
>> But uh but no, in terms of nerves, I
00:36:49
think doing the podcast helped me a lot
00:36:51
in humanizing these people because like,
00:36:53
you know, after a certain number of
00:36:54
celebrities you talk to, they're like,
00:36:56
"Wow, they're just people and some of
00:36:58
them, you know, aren't even that
00:36:59
interesting." So, uh, so knowing that
00:37:03
going in,
00:37:04
>> it's true and it's not a bad thing, but,
00:37:07
uh, I I I I seem to qualify a lot of
00:37:09
things. That's not negative. I'm not I'm
00:37:11
not positive. [laughter]
00:37:14
>> The qualifier. Mark Marin is the
00:37:17
qualifier.
00:37:18
>> What happens when you go, "Hey, Bob,
00:37:19
when you want if you ever want to buzz
00:37:20
over to the Glendale, I want you to pop
00:37:22
in." And
00:37:23
>> I'd like to talk to him, but he's he's
00:37:25
one of those guys I can't get. There are
00:37:26
certain directors chatter, though.
00:37:28
That's not probably
00:37:29
>> He's got more chatty.
00:37:32
>> Who are we talking about? I miss Dairo.
00:37:34
>> Bob Dairo. Oh, but like in terms of
00:37:36
nerves, I was I was more nervous when I
00:37:38
had to I just did an indie where I had
00:37:40
to play the lead and that was a real
00:37:43
that I was nervous about that because,
00:37:46
you know, I had I knew I had to carry
00:37:48
the movie, but I'd learned a lot of
00:37:49
lessons from a lot of actors and I was
00:37:51
pretty confident. And then I had to do a
00:37:54
scene with Sharon Stone and it it it was
00:37:57
a lifechanging terrifying thing that was
00:38:01
kind of amazing.
00:38:03
>> And I was nervous to to do a scene with
00:38:05
her.
00:38:06
>> Yeah.
00:38:06
>> And uh
00:38:08
>> she's kind of intimidating.
00:38:09
>> A big star. That's a big
00:38:11
>> dude.
00:38:12
>> Big star. It was crazy. I think I got to
00:38:14
save the story for when and if the movie
00:38:16
ever comes out because I told it and I
00:38:18
don't want to necessarily spoil
00:38:19
anything. But she did the movie because
00:38:22
she likes me and it's one scene and it
00:38:25
was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it.
00:38:27
Uh Alan Ruck. Uh Michael McKeen played
00:38:30
my manager.
00:38:32
>> Love him.
00:38:33
>> Yeah. The what's his name? Jason. Is it
00:38:35
Jason? No, it's not Jason.
00:38:37
>> No, the kid from um Oh, now I feel bad.
00:38:42
>> Oh, he was so [ __ ] funny.
00:38:43
>> Silver Spoons. Baitman.
00:38:45
>> No, you know the one used to do the
00:38:47
Apple commercials was involved with Drew
00:38:48
Barrymore. Justin Long. Justin Long.
00:38:51
>> Oh, Justin Long. Yep.
00:38:52
>> Funny [ __ ] That guy.
00:38:53
>> Yeah, I like him.
00:38:54
>> Yeah.
00:38:55
>> Oh my god. So [ __ ] funny. But I was
00:38:58
nervous about that, but I I just did the
00:39:00
best I could. That's all you can do,
00:39:01
right?
00:39:02
>> Does anybody call you after your
00:39:03
podcast? And who has asked for the most
00:39:05
to be taken out? Don't people go take
00:39:07
this out, take that, or do you say no?
00:39:10
>> No. No. I'm not I'm not in the business
00:39:11
of sandbagging people. It's not our our
00:39:14
jam.
00:39:15
>> That's our business.
00:39:16
>> Well, that's good. I hope I gave you
00:39:17
enough uh [snorts]
00:39:18
[laughter] back. You give us a little
00:39:20
sand,
00:39:21
>> not enough for a bag.
00:39:23
>> But, uh, almost always, I would say
00:39:25
always,
00:39:26
>> it's only because they said something
00:39:29
about somebody else that probably
00:39:31
couldn't even have even been taken in a
00:39:33
negative way. It's never
00:39:35
>> like them. Yeah. Like just like, you
00:39:37
know, I didn't have to say that about,
00:39:38
you know, we're kind of friends and
00:39:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. It comes off funny and then
00:39:41
later they go, "What if they get mad or
00:39:43
what?"
00:39:43
>> Yeah. Yeah. And people do get mad.
00:39:45
Everyone's talking too much. That's the
00:39:47
problem with everyone having a [ __ ]
00:39:48
podcast is like, you know, actors, you
00:39:50
know, are are just coming out with like,
00:39:52
well, 20 years ago, it's like, oh my
00:39:54
god, we can't get out from under this
00:39:56
thing. No one shuts up anymore.
00:39:58
[laughter]
00:39:59
>> I see ones now it's like full sex life.
00:40:01
They people just can't have nowhere else
00:40:02
to go. So now it's like,
00:40:04
>> here's everything in my life. Here's
00:40:05
about my plastic surgery. Here's
00:40:07
>> here follow me and my camera into my
00:40:09
plastic surgery into my, you know,
00:40:11
kidney.
00:40:12
>> What are we doing? Yeah. or people
00:40:14
talking about, you know, uh, you know,
00:40:16
moments they had with people like 20
00:40:18
years ago that,
00:40:20
>> well, not even that, just like awkward
00:40:22
moments and it's like, why'd you even
00:40:23
have to do that? Why' you I mean, what
00:40:25
was
00:40:27
>> But some people are like, it almost
00:40:29
seems like they're making up horrible
00:40:30
things because they're running out of
00:40:32
content.
00:40:33
>> I know.
00:40:33
>> Like have a big announcement and you're
00:40:34
like this it takes to it's happens to be
00:40:36
your hundth episode. [laughter]
00:40:39
>> Well, we know what would trend and get
00:40:41
pickup, you know. Uh, I don't I really I
00:40:44
don't.
00:40:44
>> You never really know what they pick up.
00:40:46
Sometimes you do.
00:40:47
>> Well, it is surprising, but if you have
00:40:48
someone on and they're being very
00:40:50
revealing and you know that you're
00:40:51
getting the scoop, they have not talked
00:40:53
about this. Like Robin, you kind of it's
00:40:55
going to trend. But it but they've been
00:40:58
on five podcasts by the time they get to
00:41:00
us
00:41:00
>> then, right? Well, no, that's a problem.
00:41:02
But with Robin, there was no trending
00:41:04
hadn't happened yet. So,
00:41:06
>> okay.
00:41:06
>> And it was quite a lot of hoops to jump
00:41:08
through just to get him to do it. And
00:41:11
you know, it just worked out because I
00:41:14
was a comic and I'm also like have a
00:41:16
dark side and there was no one else
00:41:18
there that we got this conversation and
00:41:20
thank God we did because it's it seems
00:41:22
to be the only like he literally talked
00:41:24
about depression, addiction, suicide at
00:41:27
the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters
00:41:29
did riffs on suicide at their end of the
00:41:31
interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that
00:41:33
was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to
00:41:35
talk to him.
00:41:36
>> How did he pass away?
00:41:38
uh Jonathan Winters. He he passed away
00:41:41
in character which is weird. So it's not
00:41:42
clear whether he really dies.
00:41:44
>> He was actually Ma Frickard and they
00:41:46
buried him in the dress which I thought
00:41:48
was inappropriate.
00:41:49
>> He's a guy that my dad used to tell me
00:41:51
now this is comedy and he was funny and
00:41:53
then when Robin was like oh this guy but
00:41:56
I couldn't appreciate it growing up. I
00:41:58
just thought he was funny. I didn't know
00:41:59
how good you know you can never really
00:42:00
tell. I thought they were all those
00:42:02
characters like I thought
00:42:04
>> John Winners did was very specific and
00:42:06
very detailed. It was not just ad hoc.
00:42:09
>> He was out there, dude. He was like out
00:42:11
there like it was there's I had a
00:42:14
beautiful moment with him in his house.
00:42:16
It was And I always tell the story. I
00:42:18
don't know if it really lands. So,
00:42:20
that's a good setup. Uh
00:42:22
>> yeah, but
00:42:23
>> give us the unlandables.
00:42:25
>> Okay. [laughter]
00:42:26
Well, we're we're at his house.
00:42:27
>> I'm already in. I'm all in because it's
00:42:29
Jonathan Winters and you're talking to
00:42:30
>> he you know, he's like he's got this
00:42:33
sort of weird, you know, childlike, you
00:42:35
know, thing that, you know, he in in his
00:42:38
house. They had moved his bedroom
00:42:39
because he was kind of hobbling around
00:42:41
with a cane and he wore a like a a Union
00:42:44
Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we uh we
00:42:49
were walking down this hallway. He
00:42:51
wanted to show me what he said. I want
00:42:53
to show you the planes. Right. So what
00:42:56
that ultimately was is that he has this
00:42:58
for post bed, four poster bed in this
00:43:01
bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are
00:43:02
all these model airplanes. All right,
00:43:04
that's that's the destination we're
00:43:06
heading towards. But we're walking down
00:43:07
this hallway past just pictures from a
00:43:10
career in show business. There's
00:43:11
Jonathan Winters in every star you could
00:43:14
imagine. And then he stops and he points
00:43:16
to this old ass picture of this boy with
00:43:20
a with a puppy and he goes, "I miss that
00:43:24
dog." And I was like, "Oh my gosh."
00:43:26
You're like this whole life of of
00:43:30
entertainment. And that's what you know
00:43:32
the dog he's a little kid.
00:43:35
>> Sweet, right?
00:43:36
>> That's supposed to be sad. David,
00:43:38
>> that's kind of interesting. Danny, I
00:43:40
know someone who had dinner with Dan at
00:43:41
Danny Kay's house.
00:43:42
>> Yeah.
00:43:43
>> And he was very quiet during the dinner
00:43:45
and they're letting everyone out. It's
00:43:46
the same kind of thing. Hall of Fame
00:43:48
wall Danny K pictures. Someone asked one
00:43:51
question. Then it was two hours photo by
00:43:54
photo. Here I am with Jack Benny. Here I
00:43:56
am here. Here I am here. They were
00:43:58
>> You ever watched those Have you watched
00:44:00
any of those? Like not the not the the
00:44:03
Dean Martin roasts, but
00:44:05
>> there there's footage somewhere, I don't
00:44:06
know where I found it, some streaming
00:44:08
service of actual Friars Club roasts
00:44:11
>> that were done.
00:44:12
>> Oh, yeah. I I seen one.
00:44:14
>> It's always the same guys. And it's not
00:44:16
a great day as Henny Youngman's always
00:44:17
there. And there they literally have him
00:44:20
on and you can tell the reason they have
00:44:21
him on is just because he he doesn't
00:44:23
roast anybody. He just does his horrible
00:44:25
jokes. So they just they just have him
00:44:27
on to bust his balls.
00:44:28
>> Yeah.
00:44:29
>> But what what was
00:44:31
>> what was so interesting about so many of
00:44:32
those is just how horribly unfunny some
00:44:35
of them are.
00:44:37
[laughter]
00:44:38
>> The one who always got me and I I'm
00:44:40
curious about old timey. Here we go
00:44:42
again. Was always as a kid was Don
00:44:44
Rickles. the best
00:44:46
>> just the funniest uh and and and and dry
00:44:50
like weird no joke like get dad a cookie
00:44:53
put him in the corner
00:44:54
>> pack him in ice Ice he doesn't know the
00:44:56
show started there's no real jokes it's
00:44:58
the rhythm it's just the camera goes
00:45:01
>> and the the sense of mayhem that he
00:45:03
doesn't know exactly where he's going
00:45:06
>> if you wrote it all down you couldn't
00:45:07
find a funny joke in there look at this
00:45:09
that suit come with two pairs of pants
00:45:11
and a hockey puck what does that mean it
00:45:14
sounds like a joke Johnny, the show
00:45:16
started. Okay. [laughter] You know,
00:45:18
funniest [ __ ] guy.
00:45:19
>> Ed's over there going, "Oh,
00:45:22
[laughter]
00:45:22
>> that's it."
00:45:23
>> He was very Give him a cookie. Yeah.
00:45:26
[laughter] The funniest one. He used to
00:45:28
live when he did those roasts and there
00:45:30
were some of the old Hollywood guys
00:45:32
there like Carrie Grant or Jimmy
00:45:33
Stewart. He would say, "Jimmy, I talked
00:45:36
to the family. You're doing fine."
00:45:38
[laughter]
00:45:40
>> That's so funny. I know. You just can't
00:45:43
be
00:45:43
>> Jimmy. Do you know where you are?
00:45:45
>> Yeah. Do you ever see that the the Clint
00:45:47
Eastwood roast? He said one of the
00:45:49
funniest things and the most honest
00:45:50
thing I ever heard. It was the best. It
00:45:53
was one of those, you know, AFI big, you
00:45:56
know, it wasn't a roast, the tribute.
00:45:59
>> So, he gets up, he says, you know, he
00:46:00
start opens with, I I don't know why I'm
00:46:02
here. I thought this was a tribute to MV
00:46:04
Griffin or whatever.
00:46:06
>> But, but they've had a whole evening at
00:46:09
this point. And he says, uh, what a
00:46:11
wonderful evening. He says, "Uh, uh,
00:46:14
Clint, your your son played bass. We sat
00:46:16
through that." [laughter]
00:46:21
Such a rip.
00:46:22
>> This is [laughter] so good.
00:46:24
>> Everyone kind of laughs like
00:46:27
>> they had to cut to the kids who, you
00:46:28
know, took it well in the moment, but
00:46:30
probably, you know, not great.
00:46:31
>> And like that everyone was drunk was
00:46:33
funny. They were like, he goes, "Oh, I
00:46:34
had a few drinks back." You know,
00:46:36
>> he's so funny when he that that older
00:46:39
Rickles on Letterman with Denzel
00:46:41
Washington. That is that's so funny.
00:46:44
>> What is he saying? Look at the black guy
00:46:45
over here.
00:46:46
>> Well, he he No, that was it was a little
00:46:48
post that. But he he he just kept
00:46:50
busting on Letterman mumbling. He just
00:46:53
he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like
00:46:55
Letterman opens with like you and Frank
00:46:57
have been friends a long time and both
00:46:58
your wives are named Barbara, right? And
00:47:01
Rickles goes, "What are you, a
00:47:02
detective? Listen to this guy."
00:47:04
>> Yeah, [laughter]
00:47:06
>> I've seen that.
00:47:09
>> It's the best. I know.
00:47:11
>> That's so awesome. Yeah, those old
00:47:13
roast, the Dean Martin, those are the
00:47:15
coolest ones.
00:47:15
>> Those are good. Yeah, they're great
00:47:16
because it was like everybody in
00:47:18
Hollywood. It felt like Hollywood was
00:47:20
like a nice little town full of these
00:47:21
special people and now they just let
00:47:24
anyone in.
00:47:25
>> Have you been roasted on the
00:47:27
>> any of these roast?
00:47:28
>> Comedy Central or andor would you do it
00:47:30
if you haven't volunteered to be
00:47:32
roasted?
00:47:32
>> I don't I don't mind being roasted. I
00:47:34
had one of the worst nights of my life
00:47:36
on the day of the Chvy Chase. Oh, that's
00:47:40
a famous one, right? Because that was
00:47:41
when you were at that one.
00:47:43
>> Yeah. I was one of the guys and you
00:47:46
know, all I can say I could say more,
00:47:49
but you know, after that, I was in a
00:47:50
room at that that [ __ ] Hilton in New
00:47:53
York with my buddy Sam almost on the
00:47:55
verge of tears thinking like, I can't do
00:47:56
this. I can't do comedy anymore. I can't
00:47:58
do it anymore. It was so [ __ ] I
00:48:01
bombed so hard. So hard. And I'm not
00:48:05
good at that. I'm sorry. So you roast
00:48:06
Chevy does and and I think back then I
00:48:09
was thinking wait this is the first
00:48:10
roast I'm seeing where not everyone is
00:48:12
great friends with them. So it's a very
00:48:14
odd vibe like
00:48:15
>> I don't think they could have gotten
00:48:16
they could hit Yeah. We didn't know that
00:48:18
back. I mean I just thought I used to
00:48:20
see Dean Martin and they go hey there's
00:48:22
my buddy over here and here go red
00:48:23
buttons. Yeah. But to go
00:48:25
>> hardly any SNL people there and I had
00:48:29
pretty good jokes, but I but by by my
00:48:32
nature if I'm insulting somebody I I
00:48:34
really mean it to to it's hostile and I
00:48:38
don't have the the [laughter]
00:48:39
>> by my nature.
00:48:42
I don't have the the distance necessary
00:48:45
to make it funny. But I had good jokes
00:48:47
and thank god they sweetened the [ __ ]
00:48:49
out of it. But in the room, I tanked
00:48:52
hard and so did a lot of people.
00:48:54
>> How big a crowd? It's not a big crowd,
00:48:56
is it?
00:48:56
>> No, I just remember the pain on Chevy's
00:48:59
face watching it.
00:49:00
>> He didn't want to be there.
00:49:01
>> He didn't want to be there.
00:49:02
>> Pain because it's it's, "Oh, is this
00:49:05
what they think of me?" It's like me
00:49:06
doing an impression to someone. If they
00:49:08
get upset, it's like, "Oh, is this how
00:49:09
I'm coming across?" It's the ultimate
00:49:11
mental
00:49:12
>> Yeah.
00:49:12
>> game. I mean, David, you did one, right?
00:49:14
Got roasted.
00:49:15
>> I did one. I wouldn't get roasted. It's
00:49:17
actually never got roasted, but you were
00:49:19
the MC.
00:49:20
>> I said I'd host one. I don't even know
00:49:21
why because all you have to do is be in
00:49:24
the vicinity and you're [ __ ] you
00:49:25
know.
00:49:26
>> Yeah.
00:49:26
>> So, I mean, I remember that I found that
00:49:28
out cuz I was watching one and they go,
00:49:30
"Uh, speaking of anal warts, Andy Dick's
00:49:33
here tonight." And then they put in the
00:49:34
crowd and they put a spotlight. He goes,
00:49:36
"Wait, me? I'm [laughter] I came to
00:49:39
watch
00:49:40
what? I'm not even on the [ __ ] deas."
00:49:42
Like, I didn't know it's fair game.
00:49:45
They're like, "No, we know where you're
00:49:46
sitting. We got a camera ready for
00:49:48
[laughter] you. And so
00:49:49
>> you got 20 guys writing jokes about
00:49:51
everyone in this [ __ ] room.
00:49:52
>> I got lucky because I was uh I was the
00:49:56
host, so I was going to get it. But who
00:49:59
came in at the last minute? We had a
00:50:00
Fallout and Coulter.
00:50:03
>> And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, "You
00:50:06
know, you had you had probably the most
00:50:09
jokes that you were going to get
00:50:10
hammered with that you weren't ready
00:50:12
for." And at the last second, everyone
00:50:14
shifted those to Anne Coulter. And I was
00:50:16
like, "Oh, thank God. I only got some.
00:50:18
They all sting. I hated them all. Uh,
00:50:21
I'm not good at getting roasted." I'm
00:50:23
like, "It's like a thousand stabs, you
00:50:25
know, death cuts."
00:50:27
>> But Jesus and Coulter, that's like
00:50:29
giving the evening cancer.
00:50:32
[laughter]
00:50:32
>> Where's our trender? There's our
00:50:34
trender. Thank you.
00:50:37
>> She came up with her book and she was
00:50:39
she was teflon. She walked up with her
00:50:41
book and just started plugging it. She
00:50:43
didn't, in fairness, I don't think she
00:50:45
knew what she was getting into. She
00:50:46
thought it was like some sort of
00:50:48
promotion. She brought her book up to
00:50:50
the day and everyone's basically saying,
00:50:52
"Hey, [ __ ] you." It was pretty pretty
00:50:54
rough. So, uh,
00:50:56
>> Ion's a diplomatic word for her.
00:51:00
Yeah.
00:51:00
>> Yeah. But Juel was there getting funny
00:51:02
jokes by Anyway, overall it was a pretty
00:51:04
fun roast. Um, and we can talk about
00:51:06
>> I don't I can take a shot. I I don't
00:51:08
mind getting hit, you know. I but I
00:51:11
don't think I'm in the position
00:51:12
celebritywise to ever get roasted as an
00:51:16
evening. But I don't mind being
00:51:18
>> there's a couple minutes roasting.
00:51:21
>> No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was
00:51:23
out there going and then I wrote it
00:51:26
down. I hate you now. I hate you now. I
00:51:27
hate you.
00:51:31
[music]
00:51:33
>> I don't read comments. Do you read David
00:51:35
reads comments? Do you read comments
00:51:37
about your podcast much? Are you good
00:51:39
with that or you're kind of
00:51:40
>> I don't like I I seem to be pretty
00:51:43
pretty disengaged from Twitter, you
00:51:45
know. I don't I don't do the other ones
00:51:46
that much. I'll look at Instagrams and
00:51:48
occasionally I'll look at uh you know
00:51:51
messages or on posts on Instagram, but I
00:51:54
I don't, you know, and I do get emails
00:51:56
sometimes, but I I I got out of that
00:51:58
because they all, you know, a good a
00:52:00
troll that's worth his salt is going to
00:52:02
really hit you where it hurts. So, you
00:52:04
know,
00:52:05
>> Yeah. And you know when you read them
00:52:07
the the part of your brain that lives in
00:52:08
this real the real world we live in goes
00:52:10
like well that's just part of it but the
00:52:12
the the really you sort of like Jesus
00:52:15
Christ. Is that [ __ ] true? And and
00:52:18
then you got to process that. I I don't
00:52:20
have I can't detach from it. They land
00:52:23
but not for that long.
00:52:25
>> Yeah. Some you know I think I look to
00:52:27
see if there's enough feedback positive
00:52:31
or negative. Sometimes you can try to
00:52:33
have constructive criticism
00:52:35
>> if they say you're always doing this or
00:52:37
you always do this or
00:52:39
>> I wish you would change it and then you
00:52:40
go enough people said that something's
00:52:42
up you know I have but if it's just
00:52:44
random I get a lot of snipers just
00:52:46
randomly almost almost 100% of the time
00:52:49
if I answer them or I DM them and
00:52:51
>> no don't do that
00:52:52
>> say we got a problem they always go oh
00:52:53
my god I'm your biggest fan or they're
00:52:55
nicer
00:52:55
>> that's right that's right some might
00:52:57
just come kill me so it's really a
00:52:59
dangerous game to be honest
00:53:00
>> do you listen to your podcast?
00:53:02
>> No.
00:53:03
>> Have you ever Yeah, cuz Conan told
00:53:04
[clears throat] me a while back, never
00:53:05
has heard an episode. So, I took that
00:53:08
advice because I would get too much in
00:53:09
my head in the times I hear it. I
00:53:12
>> I don't listen to it.
00:53:13
>> I can't My producer,
00:53:15
>> he gives you I can watch my own special.
00:53:17
No, but my producer like we're since
00:53:19
we're still audio and that's our game.
00:53:21
He's very meticulous, very brilliant
00:53:23
guy. But the weird thing about not
00:53:25
listening to the podcast and only having
00:53:27
memory of the conversation like you know
00:53:31
that that that's fleeting you know you
00:53:33
can only remember certain things from
00:53:34
conversation. So so if I ever have a
00:53:37
question about something I discuss with
00:53:38
somebody my producer has become like
00:53:41
like my active memory because he spends
00:53:44
a few hours with it and he remembers
00:53:46
everything
00:53:47
>> and he's like well you talked to so and
00:53:48
so about that. I have no recollection.
00:53:51
And so I I really need him just to be,
00:53:53
you know, my my functioning memory of
00:53:56
these things.
00:53:58
>> Yeah. Um I'm I was just curious earlier
00:54:01
today like when we talked to guests and
00:54:04
stuff like for you are as consuming art
00:54:08
or like movies or are you into that? I
00:54:11
mean movies or music or
00:54:12
>> totally
00:54:13
>> is um Pat Oswald we started talking
00:54:16
about movies and he just
00:54:17
>> boy that's a that's a long conversation.
00:54:19
Yeah. [laughter]
00:54:20
>> Yeah. Okay. [clears throat] We don't
00:54:21
have to go I don't know what year you're
00:54:23
you know but I remember yeah it was the
00:54:25
killers from 1958.
00:54:27
>> Oh yeah. Here we go.
00:54:28
>> Anyway, um 2001 of space I'm try to
00:54:31
guess your favorite movie. Okay. That
00:54:34
would be tough. or your top or a movie
00:54:36
that you you see more than once or
00:54:39
>> Yes, of course.
00:54:41
>> Here's here's a question. If you could
00:54:43
only watch one movie tonight, would it
00:54:44
be 2001 or Planet of the Apes original?
00:54:47
>> Those are my only two choices. You What
00:54:49
did you let Pat Oswalt get in your head?
00:54:52
>> I know that's left over. I didn't talk
00:54:54
to the producer. I already asked that
00:54:55
question. Okay, give us two movies.
00:54:58
Three Days of the Condor or Alien?
00:55:01
>> Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, you I you kind of
00:55:05
kind of have to go with Alien on those
00:55:06
two. I mean, Three Days of the Condor is
00:55:09
great, but like I I would imagine you'd
00:55:11
probably get a little more if you if you
00:55:13
really kind of a savored Alien and
00:55:17
didn't overwatch it, it could probably
00:55:18
be still pretty jarring. Whereas Three
00:55:20
Days of the Condor, you're kind of like,
00:55:22
"All right, I know."
00:55:23
>> Well, that's is that Robin Redford and
00:55:25
who go Dunaway? Maybe. Was it Fay
00:55:28
Dunway?
00:55:28
>> Fay Dunaway.
00:55:29
>> Yeah. Condor. Where are you? Condor
00:55:32
>> in the pocket. I didn't know what that
00:55:33
movie is about and I watched it honestly
00:55:34
a year ago. I I always heard about it.
00:55:36
>> Oh,
00:55:37
>> it's a weird name. I'm like, why would I
00:55:38
go to this movie? Weird.
00:55:39
>> Fun, cool movie. Alien changed movies.
00:55:43
Alien movies.
00:55:44
>> That was great. I watch I've been
00:55:45
watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the
00:55:46
theater to watch movies. Like I like
00:55:48
going to the movies because I'm pretty
00:55:50
close to the Americana. And I'll go see
00:55:52
[ __ ] and I watch the old movies. Like I
00:55:55
just watch the conversation again
00:55:57
because I didn't really get it the first
00:55:59
time. I should watch that again. Jean
00:56:01
Hackman 1975.
00:56:03
>> Yeah. Well, look at you with the [ __ ]
00:56:05
Google. I uh
00:56:07
>> No, no, [laughter] that's all here.
00:56:08
>> Okay. Uh No, but like I remember seeing
00:56:11
it years ago and I was like this is slow
00:56:13
because I didn't lock in. But like Jean
00:56:15
Hackman doing almost anything is kind of
00:56:18
amazing. It's unbelievable.
00:56:20
>> I talk about him all the time that he's
00:56:23
a freak.
00:56:23
>> He was never
00:56:26
>> chewing gum. So great.
00:56:28
>> Who's your everything?
00:56:29
>> I did watch the Tom Cruz movie um where
00:56:33
he's the
00:56:34
>> the firm. The movie's great and he's
00:56:37
[ __ ] crazy. Yeah. If you haven't seen
00:56:39
the movie The Firm, it's like a surefire
00:56:42
great movie. Go ahead.
00:56:43
>> It's like it's it's like a Sydney
00:56:45
Pollock movie. I mean, people don't
00:56:46
realize that there are these movies that
00:56:48
these geniuses made. So that's a full-on
00:56:50
Just cuz it's a Gris book doesn't mean
00:56:53
it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollock
00:56:55
did that movie and the cast is crazy.
00:56:58
>> What?
00:56:58
>> Crazy. Doesn't mean it's gonna be hacky.
00:57:01
>> Yeah, true. Well, what was the other
00:57:04
one? I mean, Copa directed The Rain
00:57:06
Maker, and that's another one that's
00:57:07
[ __ ]
00:57:08
>> another John Gryom book.
00:57:10
>> Yeah, but that's like it's Matt Damon,
00:57:11
Danny Devito, Mickey Ror.
00:57:14
>> I thought that was MC. That's not MCA.
00:57:17
>> No, that's another one.
00:57:18
>> That was It was earlier. But the firm is
00:57:21
the firm is great. Terry
00:57:23
>> Terry Ke.
00:57:24
>> Yeah,
00:57:24
>> it's great. And Wilfrly Wilford Brimley
00:57:27
is a heavy brim.
00:57:29
>> So good.
00:57:30
>> He's a heavy man. How old book
00:57:33
great names are so good in
00:57:36
>> Gary Buucy. Good.
00:57:37
>> Gary Buucy is and what's her name? The
00:57:39
genius actress. Uh
00:57:42
>> Holly Hunter.
00:57:43
>> It's not Jean. Oh, Holly Hunter.
00:57:45
>> Jean Triplehorn. Yeah.
00:57:46
>> Triple Horn. She's the love interest.
00:57:48
>> Yeah. and Tom Cruz being Tom Cruz.
00:57:50
>> [ __ ] [ __ ] Ed Harris is in it too.
00:57:53
It's an insane cast. And Hackman
00:57:56
>> and then Hackman leading the charge.
00:57:59
>> Him trying to seduce his wife down in
00:58:02
the Caribbean and then go
00:58:04
>> and he knows she's conning him. I mean
00:58:05
that it's he's effortless. It's just so
00:58:08
fascinating to watch Dean Aman.
00:58:10
>> No kidding, dude. But what else did I
00:58:12
watch recently? I tend to watch like
00:58:14
lately I've been like I just want to
00:58:15
watch the beginning of this to get a
00:58:18
couple laughs, you know, and then I'll
00:58:20
be up till two in the morning watching
00:58:21
the whole [ __ ] movie.
00:58:23
>> I watched I watched the other guys the
00:58:26
other night just cuz I wanted to watch
00:58:27
the beginning to get a laugh from those
00:58:29
two.
00:58:29
>> Will Ferrell had a car chase beginning.
00:58:31
>> It's It's so funny. Yeah, that thing
00:58:33
with the rocky and uh and what's his
00:58:36
name?
00:58:37
>> Mark Wahberg.
00:58:38
>> No, The Rock and what's it? Uh
00:58:40
>> Sam Jackson. Sam Sam Jackson jumping off
00:58:42
the roof. That
00:58:44
>> is hilarious. And the two of them
00:58:46
together when Wahberg focuses, man, he's
00:58:49
good at comedy.
00:58:51
>> I mean, he can do it, dude.
00:58:53
>> He is.
00:58:53
>> He's good in a lot. He does a lot of
00:58:55
stuff.
00:58:55
>> Yeah.
00:58:56
>> How's this movie with you and Theo Von?
00:58:57
What's that what's that about?
00:58:59
>> Uh Bus Boys is uh it's a beating. We're
00:59:03
doing it right now. It's tough. It's
00:59:04
hard to do because it's small budget
00:59:06
indie, but it's super fun because
00:59:09
>> Is it small budget indie?
00:59:10
>> Yeah. Well, it's just us. We We put it
00:59:12
together. We put money in and we just
00:59:14
said we just want to go try it and
00:59:16
>> Yeah.
00:59:16
>> and then decide what to do with it.
00:59:17
That's scary.
00:59:19
>> Like,
00:59:19
>> yeah. Yeah.
00:59:20
>> Don't go watch it. Don't go around.
00:59:22
>> It seems like he's got enough juice. I
00:59:24
mean, someone will see it, but I thought
00:59:25
Bert had enough juice, too, to put his
00:59:27
little movie over the top, but I don't
00:59:29
think it got there. But, I mean, you
00:59:31
know, people watch it. People like Theo.
00:59:33
They like
00:59:33
>> what what comedies are just live
00:59:35
streaming now? Are we
00:59:37
>> We don't know. We might do it straight
00:59:38
to video. I mean straight to consumer.
00:59:40
>> Straight to video. Yeah.
00:59:42
>> Straight to video. [laughter] The '9s
00:59:44
are calling.
00:59:45
>> We're going so old. That reminds me of
00:59:48
like one one time I was like this is in
00:59:50
the last five years. I was at the comedy
00:59:52
store, right? And out of the darkness
00:59:54
like Steve Kravitz just emerges.
00:59:58
>> He's Steve Kravitz from Steve. Yeah.
01:00:00
Yeah. I he still here, dude. I saw him
01:00:02
the other night and he's okay, you know.
01:00:04
He's okay.
01:00:04
>> Oh, good. I don't think he was funny,
01:00:06
you know?
01:00:07
>> Yeah, he was funny. But like I just
01:00:08
remember he was like he was like, you
01:00:10
know, he's he's 70s something now, but
01:00:12
it was just a few years ago and he's
01:00:14
like I don't know how the business works
01:00:16
anymore. Like, hey, where do I send my
01:00:17
tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985. Maybe
01:00:20
you send the tape.
01:00:22
>> Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the
01:00:24
Funny Bone.
01:00:26
[laughter]
01:00:27
>> Isn't that somebody? Yeah,
01:00:29
>> they used to watch your I used to send
01:00:31
my tape, the funny bone, my half inch
01:00:33
VHS, and they're like, they must have a
01:00:35
pile of tapes. I'm like, it's been a
01:00:37
whole day. Are they going to watch it or
01:00:38
not? They They don't give a [ __ ]
01:00:39
>> Oh my god. I remember there was a
01:00:41
booking agency in Boston called Boston
01:00:42
Comedy Company. Barry Catz used to run
01:00:44
it out of the basement apartment in a
01:00:46
building in Alustin. and one of the
01:00:49
women who would get tape submissions and
01:00:53
she she was dating somebody like we knew
01:00:55
like we got hold of a couple of the
01:00:57
tapes and there's this one tape of a guy
01:00:59
that's clearly in his basement or in his
01:01:01
bedroom and he's doing jokes and he's
01:01:03
got a friend dropping a a photograph
01:01:06
needle onto a laughter of laughter track
01:01:09
on a record.
01:01:10
>> Wow.
01:01:10
>> So you he would do a joke and you'd
01:01:12
literally hear the needle drop.
01:01:14
>> Oh funny
01:01:15
>> and then pull back up again. [laughter]
01:01:17
That's a good idea. That's like an
01:01:19
>> analog lowfi world. Kind of something
01:01:21
charming about that.
01:01:23
>> Well, Mark, before you let you go, I got
01:01:24
to ask you about one movie and then
01:01:25
we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap-ups.
01:01:27
But uh you've been very nice to talk. I
01:01:29
see Mark at the comedy store now and
01:01:31
then. We always have a little chat, a
01:01:32
couple laughs and uh then we get our $48
01:01:36
and we get the [ __ ] out of there.
01:01:37
>> And um I Oh, someone said today that to
01:01:40
Lesie, you were very very good and they
01:01:42
loved you in it and they heard I was
01:01:43
talking to you. So,
01:01:44
>> oh, well, that's nice to hear. I
01:01:46
definitely I did the work on that one.
01:01:48
Like, because like I don't know like I
01:01:51
>> I always wanted to act, but I know I'm
01:01:53
okay at it and I I got better,
01:01:55
>> but I still never I I'm still like it's
01:01:58
it's it's not it's not necessarily an
01:02:01
exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of
01:02:04
waiting around, which makes me crazy
01:02:06
>> for sure.
01:02:06
>> But like I was trying with that movie. I
01:02:08
didn't want to do it and the director
01:02:10
kept bothering me because I was still
01:02:11
kind of [ __ ] up. It was during COVID,
01:02:13
you know, Lynn had passed away and, you
01:02:15
know, they were the guy kept bothering
01:02:17
me, you know, and it's I'm it's the role
01:02:19
is like this kind of, you know, slightly
01:02:22
beaten up Texan guy.
01:02:24
>> And I'm thinking like you get there's
01:02:26
like nine nine or 20 [ __ ] cowboy
01:02:30
character actors who could get to do
01:02:31
this. What? Why me?
01:02:33
>> And you know, finally he he gets
01:02:35
through. He gets me on the phone. He's
01:02:37
like, "Well, I really liked the last
01:02:39
season of Marin." I'm like, "Oh, so you
01:02:41
do like me?" All right, I'll try. And I
01:02:43
told him like, I don't know about the
01:02:44
accent. He said, don't worry about the
01:02:46
accent. And then I realized like, dude,
01:02:48
if you're going to do this, you know,
01:02:50
take a risk. You no one's going to see
01:02:52
this movie. It's like, it shoots in like
01:02:55
two weeks on film out in the desert
01:02:58
here.
01:02:59
>> So, I worked with a dialect coach, and
01:03:01
this is funny. You'll probably get it,
01:03:03
Dana. Yeah, you will, too. I guess
01:03:05
because it's just a reference that no
01:03:06
one [ __ ] gets. But I'm talking to the
01:03:09
dialect coach
01:03:10
>> and I'm like, "How do I do a Texan
01:03:12
accent?" And she's like, "Well, there
01:03:12
really is no Texan accent specifically,
01:03:15
but I think we'll do love." And I'm
01:03:17
like, "Okay, love." So, she sends me,
01:03:21
you know, the the phonetics. And then
01:03:22
she sends me some tapes of what I think
01:03:24
are the LIC accent. And it's just like
01:03:27
like a few like behind the scenes Grammy
01:03:30
interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like,
01:03:33
this is the only the only example of
01:03:36
loving Mac Davis.
01:03:37
>> Whenever I want you.
01:03:39
>> Yeah. Yeah. I love Mac Davis for sure.
01:03:41
>> Yeah, he's a good he was a funny actor,
01:03:43
too. But but yeah, well, I appreciate
01:03:45
someone saying that because I definitely
01:03:46
put the work in and I was willing to
01:03:48
fail uh with the accent, but I think I
01:03:50
did all right. And the only reason I had
01:03:52
confidence to do that was before I
01:03:53
interviewed James Khan, I was watching
01:03:56
movies of early movies of his and all
01:03:59
these guys try accents and very few of
01:04:01
them are any good at it. So I'm like,
01:04:02
well, [ __ ] it. If he's going to take the
01:04:04
hit, I can take the hit, you know?
01:04:05
>> Yeah.
01:04:06
>> The Australians are great at accents for
01:04:08
some reason. And a lot of the Brits are,
01:04:10
but the Americans, I don't know.
01:04:12
>> You know, secondhand compliments are the
01:04:14
best. Like when David hears someone say
01:04:16
to him, "You were great in the movie."
01:04:18
Right? it. That's the best way to hear
01:04:19
it because you know they're not saying
01:04:21
>> it's legit. She was like, "Oh my god."
01:04:24
>> Oh, by the way, you see my earn special.
01:04:26
It was fantastic.
01:04:27
>> Yeah, it's nice to hear.
01:04:28
>> My wife said somebody. [laughter]
01:04:31
>> No, that's a fictitious scenario.
01:04:32
>> Well, you you know, you do specials. You
01:04:33
do a podcast and you're a damn good
01:04:35
actor. You've got a series. I'm just
01:04:37
saying. I mean, I don't know any other
01:04:39
You're like a
01:04:40
>> triple and an author.
01:04:42
>> Yeah. You know,
01:04:42
>> I do what I can. I do what I can at the
01:04:44
level I do it at. And uh it's uh you
01:04:48
know it's I'm glad I've had all the
01:04:50
opportunity and I and I keep trying to
01:04:52
get better. What can you do?
01:04:53
>> It's just how much joy can you get out
01:04:55
of your incredible life? That's really
01:04:57
>> Oh yeah. Well, the joy thing that's a
01:04:59
whole other
01:05:02
less miserable less miserable podcast.
01:05:04
And in terms of like talking about SNL,
01:05:07
I didn't get it.
01:05:08
>> Oh,
01:05:09
>> okay. Thank you for the [laughter]
01:05:11
people that waited till the end.
01:05:15
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01:05:16
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