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Paul Rudd.
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>> Paul Rudd who's who's kind of the
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ageless uh movie star of our times. Um
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>> yeah, there is something weird about
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that. He's so fantastic.
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>> He's a good-looking
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youthful glow.
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>> Yes. And he's funny.
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>> He gets to do both. He gets to do drama
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and funny. And uh I think he's a
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fivetime over there at SNL hosting. And
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um
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>> obviously he was Ant-Man, but he's in
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the Marvel verse or whatever it's
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called. And uh
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>> he does a lot of stuff. He was in
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Friendship, a movie that just came out.
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>> Um what a good time. He comes, he likes
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to come and have some laughs.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And he's excited to meet you.
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>> Yeah. We, you know, I calmed him down. I
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go, "Look, I'm just a person."
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Anyway, he uh we talk about his career.
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I remember asking him this question.
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When when did you feel rich or what was
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your first big paycheck? you know, and
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that was he had an interesting answer
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for that. Takes a long time to build up
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to something that's substantial, even
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though you ah big movie star, you know,
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it's hard to negotiate that.
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>> Spoiler alert, it was the Queen Mary.
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>> And
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he has uh a really cool Paul McCartney
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story.
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>> Oh, that's right.
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>> Which you know me, I can talk about
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anything beetley
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>> forever. All right, let's let him tell
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it. Here he is. Paul Rod,
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>> fivetime.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Remember the fivetime hosting club?
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>> Yeah.
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>> We're going to go over Clueless. He
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launched pretty fast.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Halloween. Halloween 6. I was in
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Halloween 2. Stacy Dash was in Moving. I
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was in Moving. So, Six Degrees of
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>> I read for moving for real.
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>> And you're moving. Yes. You move a lot.
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No, I read for the movie Moving and they
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said, "We're trying to get Dana." And I
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said, "Oh, fuck."
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>> For the schizophrenic guy who who takes
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who does goes crazy and takes Prior's
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car across the country.
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>> Okay. Paul, did you read for that part?
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>> No, I didn't. You know, I was still in
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college. I remember when it came out and
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um
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>> it was very exciting, but I never got,
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you know, I was just still in school. I
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never It was It was a little bit before
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my uh my time in the industry.
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>> He turns down movies right now. That's
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all you do is turn down movie.
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>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's a It's a
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a daily occurrence. All the stuff I'm
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turning down.
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>> They used to call Kevin Klein Kevin
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Dline.
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>> I don't know. That was Ca. I don't know.
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They call Paul Rudd, but what I got
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exhausted. This is quite a resume.
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>> I know. It's like where do you start?
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>> It seems like a dream. If I had a kid
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come out of college, I would probably
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>> There's no declining there. It's Yeah,
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I'll do it. Sure. Great. All quality
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work.
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>> Where do I sign?
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>> You know, you you produce, you co-write,
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you co-wrote the sequel to Ant-Man. Is
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that right?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. The the the first one and
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the second one.
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>> No. Come out. Now, I didn't uh write
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that one, but I did. I
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>> So, they come to you as an actor and
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then they say and then you say, "Well,
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I'd like to co-write or they offer it or
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how does that happen?"
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>> No, it just kind of happened. Uh it h it
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you know the when Ant-Man first started
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I was cast in that movie by Edgar Wright
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who was the original director and uh
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there was a script and then they wanted
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to do something else and then there was
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another script that they had hired from
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uh they had written another person or
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another two people I don't know had
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written another script. Edgar left the
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project. there was another uh script
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that came along and it just seemed like
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uh it was a little all over the place
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and when we were looking at other
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directors, Adam McKay came in and then
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he and I were talking. We were talking
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about what we could kind of do with the
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movie and then they hired us uh to write
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it, the two of us. So Oh, cool. So, Adam
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and I kind of holed up in a uh in a
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hotel room for a couple months and then
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just really tried to cruise through
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that. But he's such a great I mean, you
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know, May I would say the two of you in
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a room writing and making your choices,
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no wonder it was a hit. I mean, Adam is
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brilliant. You're I don't think I was
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not aware, but now I look at all the the
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hits you've had. I'm assuming you had a
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hand in all of it. you sometimes you're
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a hired actor, but you seem like you'd
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say to Jud Appatile, you know, how about
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if I do this?
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>> I don't know.
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>> Well, I think you guys know, yeah, the
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way I think we've worked with a lot of
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the same people. There does seem to be
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uh a lot of improvisation or every, you
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know, kind of a collective effort on,
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you know, certainly with the way Jud
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works, we're all kind of working on
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things together. and um
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>> do your judgment
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if you want to come down.
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>> It always sounds like he's got a little
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bit of a he needs to blow his nose.
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>> Oh, this is great. I love your idea.
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This is a bookmark impression I haven't
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worked on. I really love your idea.
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>> Is that Regis?
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>> Uh it's Regis.
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>> It's Jud doing Reges.
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>> All my impressions start from Regisling.
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Anyway,
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are you ready for this? Did you say
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what's with the Shanley?
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>> My was that was that was my Jud
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as Regious.
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>> Oh, as
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just looking at the Diaries of
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Chandling.
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>> I don't do that's my
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>> That's so great. I love that. That's
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like my Biden always ends with Pirates
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of the Caribbean. Just makes me happy
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people. It's not inflation pirates.
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Pirates of the Caribbean. So the the
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idea that you're Regis always ends with
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Shanley
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doing is great. That's the kind of Yeah,
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I'm a bigger fan.
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>> Well, Paul, I know Dana's kind of
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screwing around, but I'm doing an
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interview here. Um Oh, Paul. Okay. You
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did
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>> Walter Kronite.
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>> Yes. Uh, I'm actually when I saw
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Ant-Man, I I don't see all the Marvel
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ones because uh part of me is, you know,
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obviously a little jealous, but some of
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it is like when you when you have well,
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when you have to I can't help it, but
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when you have to please the whole world,
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it's a little different than doing an
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artsy movie or like, you know, maybe
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even Anchorman or movies that are just
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to like this is fun for just comedy fans
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that kind of like the joke on the jokes
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kind of stuff. And then when you do
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something that's for the world, uh, it's
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probably gets a little watered down
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because, you know, it's got to be for
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everybody and that's just the way it is
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and they do well. But when I saw
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Ant-Man, I was surprised that it was had
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so many clever moves to it that by the
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time it ended, I thought during it, I
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thought, "Oh, might this might be a
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phase." But then it held all the way
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through and it made me go see the second
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one and the same thing happened. And I
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thought, "Oh, that's cool." cuz this
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Ant-Man wasn't probably one of the ones
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that was the biggest ever that they were
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going to make, but turns out to be one
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of the funniest and best ones.
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>> Oh, well, thanks, man. For real. For
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real. For real. It did. It did seem like
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it was a little Those ones were a little
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different than the than the rest. I
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mean, they were they kind of existed
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even though they were part of that
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Marvel universe. They existed in their
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own space and they were a little smaller
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and um uh you know, it that the whole
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thing really is run by Kevin Feige, the
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guy who does you know, who orchestrates
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kind of most of that Marvel universe.
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And Kevin Feige is actually a he's a
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pretty big comedy fan and a lot of the
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stuff that he likes. Uh, and I, you
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know, I got to know him while we were
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making these is really kind of abstract,
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funny, not, you know, particularly
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crowd-pleasing stuff.
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>> Mhm. And uh I remember we were in
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Atlanta filming I think it was this it
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was either the first or second Ant-Man I
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don't remember
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but no it would have been the first one
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and Tim and Eric were on tour and we
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went I went to go see him and Kevin went
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went with me and we went backstage
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afterward and he had never met Tim
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Hideker
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>> and he and here's like the head of
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Marvel kind of
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>> you know fanboying out on Tim Hideker
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because he just loved all the crazy
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stuff he was doing. And he's actually in
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the second Ant-Man. And in the first
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one, um, Greg Turkington, who plays Neil
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Hamburger for those real deep comedy
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fans and does on cinema, at the cinema,
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>> uh, with Tim H Highdecker, he's in the
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first Ant-Man. So, you know, there's a
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big, uh, contingency of On Cinema at the
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cinema, uh, fans, Kevin being one of
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them. It's it it the the layers of the
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onion go through.
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>> That's nice though because also those
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days when you know someone's come to the
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set that you kind of know or something
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that's always a fun day on the set.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Did you and Adam McKay ever write
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something and you said, "Let's just put
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it in. They're never going to go for
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this." And then they were maybe
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surprised.
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>> I remember
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I don't know of anything that they went
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they went with. I remember we thought,
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"Oh, this would be cool." Like in the
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first one, we thought, oh, you know,
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it's we were also kind of trying to
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retain or or go with what we read in
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Edgar's version that he wrote with a guy
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named Joe Cornish that we thought was
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great. And there's this heist movie, but
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we put in this idea that like what if he
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does a test run and actually
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accidentally fights an Avenger? That
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would be really cool. And we were
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laughing about it and we put it in and
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we did wind up shooting it. But I think
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in the second one we talked about the um
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villain being kind of uh this thing that
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went from person to person. We loved the
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idea of having Nathan Fielder be the bad
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guy because it just seemed like a really
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weird choice and funny.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But then when you're and and then it
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would hop from person to person and I
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guess when your villain is an invisible
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gas,
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>> it doesn't they don't really feel like
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they're going to make that movie.
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>> I remember we liked that idea. I think
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most of the ideas we had that we really
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liked didn't get made.
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>> Oh, okay. Well, we sound a little bit
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bitter.
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No way.
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>> No, not at all. Not at all. I do still
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want to see Nathan Fielder as a villain
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in a movie.
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>> Oh, yeah. He That's That's a perfect
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choice.
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>> Nathan for you. That's the name of a
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show, right? Or
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. That was, by the way, I think one
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of the funniest shows of the last two
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decades. Yeah.
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>> Uh, yes. I totally concur. So, you do
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you do Ant-Man and you're how big? So,
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you're already a superstar. I'll just
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say it. Or big star. Then you're in a
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Marvel thing and how does that what's
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that like? It's like your fame went to
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this other idea, right? I mean,
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>> the whole thing was is was and is
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strange because it's not really I never
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saw that coming. Uh I certainly didn't
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imagine that um you know years later I
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would still be kind of doing something
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like this. I was never a comic book
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reader. I was that was not my world
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really. Um, and while it's been, you
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know, an amazing thing to be a part of,
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for sure, uh, the whole thing kind of
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over time
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>> just it became so much bigger and a
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bigger thing in my life where I would go
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outside and people would just yell
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Ant-Man and that, you know, and it's
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such a global thing. marble.
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>> You know, when you go to the airport, I
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just had this when I went to Wisconsin.
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>> The people that aren't fans, but they
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have pictures and all these, you know,
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Funko Pops to sign on. Yeah.
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>> And they literally like hate me, but
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they want me to sign everything. And
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then the second I stop signing, they
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hate me worse. It's just the weirdest
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thing that's turned into, oh my god, I
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have fans. And then, oh, it took me a
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while to figure out these aren't fans at
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all. They just sign out. Just Yeah,
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that's that that's it. That's true.
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That's
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>> They're like trading baseball cards
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>> and they all hang out at the airport.
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It's a weird thing.
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>> Yeah. And I go I go they were at the
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gate, Dana, in Wisconsin. I go I go I I
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go I'll sign one each of these things,
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but what then they hate me immediately.
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But then I go, "Just how do you know
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what my flight is? How do you know
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anything?" And they're like, "No, no,
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it's all cool." I go, "No, but you're at
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the gate." And then they, no matter how
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many times I say no, they walk all the
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way down to baggage
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>> and then they still hold them out and I
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go, "Did I change my mind last five
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seconds?" And then they go all the way
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to my car and then I get mad. And it's
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always weird because I'm I'm not in a
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Marvel movie. I'm just like I just I
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don't get it. And then you're not You
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don't even like me. What are we doing?
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>> They manipulate me by saying you're
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nicer than Spade.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So then I just keep going. I am.
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>> No, I'm nice to other people. Not that.
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>> No,
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>> I'm nice. I'm nice to
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>> I would imagine there you get No, there
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are fans there. They want you like a Joe
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Dirt poster or uh
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>> don't you rack your brain for another
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one
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>> like all that stuff you Yeah. You get
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>> Emperor's New Groove. Yes.
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>> What's that?
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>> Emperor's New Groove. It's a David
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animated hit.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh, Paul, I don't want to over talk
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about it, but you know when we started
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the Oh,
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>> what was it like on Groove?
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>> Groove. You know who was on it at first
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with me? Hey, how's it going? Owen
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Wilson. Uh,
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>> you know, we could we could go to
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Argentina and go surfing if you want to.
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>> All right.
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>> Yeah, there you go. Now,
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>> I used you know what I worked I love
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Owen Wilson. There was a moment when you
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when you're around him, you kind of
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can't help but fall into an Owen Wilson
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voice.
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>> He's so different. He reminds me of
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Well, there's there's Woody Harelson,
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Billy Bob Thornton, and Owen Wilson. It
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just just seem to have this different
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frequency the way they're navigating
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life.
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>> They talk weird. They say things
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different, but they're so charming, you
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know?
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>> They say everything at kind of their own
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speed, their own vibration.
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>> And Owen is a really I mean like he's
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brilliant. He's a really smart guy.
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Yeah.
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>> Uh, and you know, we worked on this
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movie together and there was this scene
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that um, uh, we were talking about what
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the definition of love was to us, our
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characters. It was and and we kept doing
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it over and over again. And um and and
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then the next day he said, "You know, I
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remember this article I read in the New
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Yorker and it was it was from like 10
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years ago or something and he had found
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a copy of it and printed it out." I
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thought, "Who remembers an article they
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read from the New Yorker that was
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somehow applied to the scene that we
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were talking about?"
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>> Yeah.
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>> I'm shocked he has a printer.
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>> Did he have a definition of love? I'm
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trying to Someone asked me that. I'm not
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sure.
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>> Yeah. I don't think uh
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>> I think the Owen is a It's Owen and then
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a door opening.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. What does Owen turning into um
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Regis Filin sound like?
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>> You know, are you ready for this?
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>> We could go surfing in Argentina, you
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know, but I sent him a with my phone a
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little painting that I did. He goes, "We
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got another Basot on our hands."
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>> He's a big art collector and extremely
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well read.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And Billy Bob Thornton is his own other
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lane. You know, he talked about the 2016
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election. All he said to me was, "We got
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some John Wayne [ __ ] going on." Just
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stuff like that. Just taking the whole
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election and distilling it.
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But back to Paul for sure,
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>> who is uh obviously like almost a cast
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member of Saturday Night Live. And now
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you're working with Steve Martin and
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Martin Short on Murders in the Building.
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Are they fun or are they kind of
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>> Oh, they're amazing. Yeah, they're
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they're the greatest.
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>> I know. That's that's like a dream job
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to be on a set with those two guys,
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right? I mean, just
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>> It is. Yeah. I mean, you know those guys
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and it's just so it's so fun to be in
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the room with them. Um, and to see them
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just kind of interacting with each other
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because obviously they are best friends.
00:16:16
They love each other and it's a series
00:16:18
of non-stop insults. Um, but you know,
00:16:25
for someone like me, I mean, I can't
00:16:28
think of anybody I I'd be more kind of
00:16:31
knocked out by Steve Martin from, you
00:16:33
know, since the
00:16:35
>> Sure.
00:16:35
>> I think the moment I ever realized
00:16:36
people could make a living talking, I
00:16:38
was so obsessed with him.
00:16:41
>> I saw him in the 70s. I saw him at the
00:16:43
boarding house in the 70s and he was
00:16:45
just magic
00:16:46
>> right away. His stand up when
00:16:48
>> Yeah. And he recorded some of those
00:16:49
albums at the boarding house. Yeah. 300
00:16:52
seats kind of old and weird.
00:16:53
>> I can recite those albums. I don't know
00:16:54
why he was same thing, Paul. I was one
00:16:56
of the first ones I locked into and I
00:16:58
just couldn't
00:17:00
>> get enough.
00:17:01
>> Yeah. And I know and you are the same.
00:17:03
It's like as soon as as soon as uh you
00:17:05
start hearing one of those routines, I
00:17:07
still remember every intonation, every
00:17:09
line. And I found that to be kind of
00:17:12
true with a lot of people um kind of in
00:17:15
our generation, you know, that that uh
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and I've talked about it with Jud or
00:17:19
some of these other comedians that those
00:17:22
records that he put out and and Steve
00:17:25
Martin standup and were so kind of
00:17:29
instrumental in uh forming senses of
00:17:33
humor and and everything else. I I can't
00:17:35
imagine anybody else in my life that had
00:17:37
probably more of an impact. So now on
00:17:40
me. So now to be like sitting in the
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room with him.
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>> Sure.
00:17:45
>> And talking with him is it's amazing.
00:17:47
And Martin Short, I mean,
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>> I don't think there's a
00:17:50
>> We've had that. We all We all give it up
00:17:53
to Martin Short.
00:17:54
>> I know. Everyone does
00:17:56
>> far as just funny.
00:17:57
>> No one's anti Martin Short. The
00:18:00
>> But you got Selena. You got also I saw a
00:18:02
photo yesterday. Very photogenic.
00:18:04
Beautiful Merryill Street. Um, so it's
00:18:07
her too.
00:18:09
So, it's Merryill Street.
00:18:12
>> Yeah.
00:18:12
>> Yeah,
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>> it really is.
00:18:15
>> I know. It's I I still can't uh quite
00:18:18
wrap my brain around it.
00:18:20
>> Yesterday was the first day we filmed
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and it was kind of a big scene and it
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was the first day that we were all there
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and I and um I was just panicked.
00:18:29
>> Mhm.
00:18:29
>> I mean, I I'm like, "Oh, don't forget
00:18:31
any of my lines. Don't uh I was
00:18:35
>> have fun. Don't try too hard. Don't
00:18:37
Yeah. Um, right. It's just the pressure
00:18:39
>> and then and then and then and then when
00:18:41
I was leaving Meryill Street, who I I'd
00:18:43
met before, but I don't know really. And
00:18:45
I mean, I'm so kind of
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>> uh I mean, I'm freak in a good way.
00:18:51
>> She's a freak.
00:18:53
>> She was like saying goodbye. She kissed
00:18:54
me on the cheek and I kissed her on both
00:18:58
cheeks like we were in Paris.
00:19:01
Um, and it was so weird. She didn't say
00:19:04
anything, but I was so uh I didn't know
00:19:06
how to behave because I was so literally
00:19:09
>> so starruck started a little bit and and
00:19:12
I was like driving home and I thought I
00:19:14
kissed both of her cheeks. She I feel
00:19:17
like an idiot. Yeah.
00:19:20
>> What do I say? Well, maybe it's cuz all
00:19:22
the classic kissing sketches, which I
00:19:25
don't know how many you've done,
00:19:26
>> but they were like electrically funny.
00:19:29
And I think you were in the very first
00:19:30
one and maybe you did it other times you
00:19:33
hosted.
00:19:33
>> The kissing family, the vocal checks.
00:19:36
>> Yes,
00:19:36
>> it was the I was in the very first one
00:19:38
and I came back. I did a few of them.
00:19:39
Yeah.
00:19:40
>> Do you kiss at rehearsal or not?
00:19:42
>> Yeah.
00:19:43
>> You do?
00:19:44
>> We we we did. Yeah. I mean, you really
00:19:47
go for it in the um
00:19:48
>> in front of people. Yeah.
00:19:50
>> Live show.
00:19:51
>> Um
00:19:52
>> but I think
00:19:53
>> I think so. I think I think one time I
00:19:56
even did it when
00:19:57
>> uh Jason Seagull was hosting and I came
00:20:00
back and just did the sketch
00:20:02
>> and I think he I think he kissed me and
00:20:04
threw this might have been during dress
00:20:05
he threw me so hard against the wall the
00:20:08
whole set almost fell like the wall.
00:20:11
>> And he's a pretty big guy, right? It's
00:20:13
like
00:20:13
>> he's a very big guy and a very forceful
00:20:15
kisser.
00:20:16
>> It's such there's a little bit of
00:20:17
tension around it. It's irresistible not
00:20:20
to not laugh because it's like the
00:20:22
characters are doing it and also Paul
00:20:24
Rudd is French kissing Fred Armerson.
00:20:27
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's just
00:20:29
>> the thing that would always and this is
00:20:32
this is what I remember the most from it
00:20:34
and it was and I remembered it in the
00:20:35
very first one was Fred uh always saying
00:20:41
uh we're we're vocal checks and he was
00:20:45
like it's not we're we're just we're
00:20:47
family we're
00:20:48
>> we're just vocal checks
00:20:49
>> vocal check
00:20:50
>> and it was always such an earnest
00:20:52
reading that uh
00:20:53
>> we were rehearsing I started laughing
00:20:55
and it was it was the one it wasn't the
00:20:57
kissing that made I think us laugh. It
00:21:00
It was funny. It was Fred going jacks.
00:21:03
>> Fred has an earnest gear in his comedy
00:21:06
when he would do the Californians and
00:21:08
the way he sincerely, no, we took the
00:21:11
101. Just the whole attitude is so
00:21:14
earnest. But I I get that gear that he
00:21:16
has. It's so original and funny. You
00:21:19
know,
00:21:19
>> one time um this must have been I don't
00:21:23
know like 15 years ago maybe. Uh I was
00:21:27
at a it was Bill her was having a
00:21:30
birthday dinner and this and it was at a
00:21:33
restaurant and we're sitting around
00:21:34
across from and across the table might
00:21:37
have been more than 15 years ago but
00:21:39
Bill uh Fred was talking about the
00:21:42
Beatles and uh and you know his love for
00:21:45
the Beatles and he just kept talking
00:21:46
about the Beatles and at one point I
00:21:49
said so all right so now if I want to
00:21:52
listen the Beatles like what album
00:21:53
should I start with or start asking a
00:21:56
question like I've never heard of the
00:21:57
bandw
00:21:58
>> and then he started saying like they're
00:22:00
just these four lads they're kind of mop
00:22:02
tops there's an album and he would start
00:22:04
talking to me cuz the guy is the master
00:22:07
bit and he'll stick with it
00:22:09
>> and um I won't talk to Fred for months
00:22:12
and months and then all of a sudden I'll
00:22:14
get an email and it'll be something
00:22:15
about the Beatles and like this is the
00:22:17
band that I was talking about and this
00:22:19
has now gone on forever. I still get
00:22:21
messages every once in a while from Fred
00:22:23
updating me on some new things or some
00:22:25
things about the Beatles, the band he
00:22:26
was talking about that night.
00:22:28
>> He's such a musical comic and his
00:22:31
rhythms and we he we had him on it once
00:22:33
you get going on the Beatles. He knows,
00:22:36
you know, the two time to the eighth
00:22:37
time in the middle 80s. It's just he's a
00:22:41
musicologist, you know.
00:22:42
>> You ever did you ever see his that DVD
00:22:45
put out drumming complicated drumming
00:22:48
techniques with Yens Henman? Yes. Well,
00:22:50
I did see his special where he goes
00:22:52
around all the different drum kits and
00:22:54
plays different.
00:22:55
>> Yeah. Yeah. They had that standup
00:22:56
special, a comedy just for drummers. But
00:22:58
yeah, he put out like a drumming.
00:23:00
>> Oh god. Was that Yeah, it was
00:23:02
complicated drumming techniques with
00:23:04
Yans Henman. I remember when my son was
00:23:06
really little, he was obsessed with it.
00:23:08
>> He loved drums, but I don't think he got
00:23:10
the
00:23:13
>> drums are fun though.
00:23:14
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it's such a specific
00:23:17
kind of thing that he's doing and I just
00:23:20
god I thought it was the funniest thing
00:23:21
ever.
00:23:21
>> Well, when I first saw him at the uh do
00:23:24
the the accent pick at a bit at the
00:23:26
Largo, so he's going around and he's
00:23:28
doing new New Hampshire whatever and
00:23:30
he's the accents are really good and
00:23:32
then he's getting I didn't realize in
00:23:34
real time he's getting very specific
00:23:35
like Bakersfield. I'm from Bay has feel
00:23:38
like he's making up accents really and
00:23:40
it slowly slowly burn, you know, burns
00:23:44
the audience down. When I saw you with
00:23:46
Bill her and Fred and some of the
00:23:49
sketches, I thought, "Wow, that's just
00:23:51
that's so much fun to be with those two
00:23:53
guys." Oh, man.
00:23:55
>> First time. Was that sort of the the
00:23:57
group was Kristen Wig and those guys?
00:24:00
>> And then when you come back, is it
00:24:01
different every time or would it sort of
00:24:03
overlap?
00:24:03
>> The first couple times they were still
00:24:05
there. I mean, it actually made it a lot
00:24:07
easier uh because I had a couple of
00:24:09
friends on the show and a couple friends
00:24:11
who were writers, so I, you know,
00:24:13
obviously had always wanted to
00:24:16
host the show or somehow be involved.
00:24:18
And um so the first time I got to
00:24:20
>> host the show, it it was a little easier
00:24:23
cuz my friends were a few of my friends
00:24:24
were there, Bill being one of them. Um,
00:24:27
and then yeah, it's now I it's it's been
00:24:30
an interesting thing to host over the
00:24:31
course of several years where yeah, I
00:24:34
think maybe the fourth time or so I went
00:24:36
back and was like, "Oh my gosh, it does
00:24:37
feel really different because it's new
00:24:39
people."
00:24:40
>> Maybe it was 2013 you did by 2013 had
00:24:43
Fred and Bill left because you that's
00:24:45
that was your next hosting 2008 2010 the
00:24:48
third time was 2013 and then maybe Kate
00:24:51
McInnon had come in. I don't know if
00:24:52
Kristen Wig had left and you had Kate
00:24:54
McInnon.
00:24:55
>> Yeah, I don't know whether or not it was
00:24:56
the third time, the fourth time. Kate
00:24:58
was there. Um,
00:25:00
>> yeah, it might have been. I think maybe
00:25:02
I don't I don't remember exactly.
00:25:03
>> Was Kenan Thompson there?
00:25:06
>> Kenan Keenan was there. Keenan was there
00:25:07
when you were there. I think
00:25:10
>> Kenan is the greatest.
00:25:11
>> He was a child actor on the show and
00:25:13
then he just stayed on.
00:25:15
>> Oh,
00:25:16
>> that guy is an MVP, man.
00:25:17
>> He never stumbles a line.
00:25:19
>> He just doesn't miss a moment. I mean,
00:25:21
every single time the camera will just
00:25:24
like cut to him. He's got the perfect
00:25:26
still expression. He's just so good.
00:25:29
>> Takes a while to get that way on that
00:25:30
show because you're waiting for a camera
00:25:32
to cut to you like you're in a Jeopardy
00:25:34
sketch.
00:25:34
>> Has to cut to you and you know when too
00:25:36
early you're kind of waiting and then
00:25:37
you do your face. It's
00:25:39
>> it's it's hard.
00:25:40
>> It's really true because there are so
00:25:41
many little technical things that um it
00:25:44
just takes time to learn such as when
00:25:46
that camera is cutting to you. you know,
00:25:48
you're those those uh
00:25:50
>> those pauses are unnatural. So, um you
00:25:53
just have to learn those kinds of
00:25:54
things. That's something I I think I
00:25:56
over
00:25:57
>> the course of hosting a few times
00:26:00
started to pick up because I never
00:26:02
nobody ever tells you, oh, this is how
00:26:04
you should really read the Q cards. This
00:26:06
is how you really need to wait for that
00:26:08
camera. And I was unaware having not
00:26:11
worked on shows really like, oh yeah,
00:26:13
when that light goes on over the camera,
00:26:14
wait till you see that in your
00:26:15
peripheral vision. There's another thing
00:26:17
when you do a sketch, Dana, you know
00:26:19
this. You get a big laugh at at uh you
00:26:22
know dress and then you pause on air and
00:26:25
it doesn't get a laugh and you look
00:26:27
crazy or because there's nothing there
00:26:29
but you're waiting or you run over it
00:26:30
cuz it didn't get a laugh at dress and
00:26:32
you run over
00:26:34
>> your laugh cuz you get it. You're like,
00:26:36
"Oh, [ __ ] I stepped on it."
00:26:37
>> It's horrible. And if you think you're
00:26:38
on camera for whatever reason and then
00:26:41
your line just doesn't do anything and
00:26:43
you realize later you weren't on camera
00:26:45
but at the moment it kind of deflates
00:26:47
you for a moment.
00:26:48
>> You know you think oh what did I do
00:26:50
different than the dress show? It is it
00:26:52
is like trying to catch the wind. I mean
00:26:54
there there's but but did you get to a
00:26:56
point it took me 80 shows as a cast
00:26:58
member I think to get comfortable enough
00:27:01
to say I'm consistently having fun
00:27:04
>> but as a host you know what was it like
00:27:06
just the second time compared to the
00:27:08
first time and the third time I mean you
00:27:10
feel you seem incredibly comfortable
00:27:13
>> I'm not
00:27:13
>> all the way through but you're you're
00:27:14
acting okay
00:27:16
>> I'm not comfortable I you know the the
00:27:18
first time I was on total adrenaline and
00:27:22
it was so
00:27:24
>> crazy. I remember feeling so uh
00:27:27
exhausted when we finished the dress
00:27:29
rehearsal and then I thought, "Oh my
00:27:30
god, I have to do this again." Now, the
00:27:33
the first time I remember that first
00:27:35
time feeling that um it was also really
00:27:38
weird for me because uh not to bring
00:27:41
things down, but the first time I hosted
00:27:43
was I think two weeks or so, almost 3
00:27:47
weeks after my father had died. So I was
00:27:50
in this state of uh
00:27:53
>> complete kind of was I was in I was
00:27:57
grieving but I was also yeah I was also
00:28:00
kind of half there but I was so excited
00:28:02
to host SNL. Um, and so it was the the
00:28:06
entire experience was just kind of uh
00:28:09
out of body. And I remember when it
00:28:12
finished, I thought, how do these people
00:28:14
do this every week? Because it it was
00:28:16
such a, you know, it it's such a sprint
00:28:20
and all of the quick changes and running
00:28:24
around. Um, and then the pressure and
00:28:27
the stress and all of it. Uh, it the
00:28:30
whole thing was was wild. I was I had a
00:28:32
great time, but it was such a an
00:28:34
emotional experience.
00:28:35
>> Kind of a beating, too.
00:28:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. You wake up with bruises and
00:28:38
things. You don't know what's going on.
00:28:40
Everything's moving so fast.
00:28:41
>> You're sprinting. You're banging your
00:28:42
head. And then they want you to get to a
00:28:44
party at 2:00 a.m. You've already done
00:28:46
an 18 hour day. Uh Paul over here, what
00:28:50
would you like, you think? And then it's
00:28:53
it's like ridiculous. You go through all
00:28:54
these walls of fatigue. But David and I
00:28:56
could tell you that being host is
00:28:59
generally speaking so much harder to be
00:29:01
a cast member.
00:29:02
>> Yeah.
00:29:03
>> You're in everything.
00:29:04
>> Yeah. You're in everything. And you can
00:29:05
be an update. You could be in the cold
00:29:06
opening. You do a pre-tape.
00:29:08
>> Yeah. Well, it was very exciting. And
00:29:10
then the second time I went back, I
00:29:12
think I think it was the second time
00:29:14
Paul McCartney was my Yes. was the
00:29:16
musical guest. So I I mean
00:29:18
>> Holy [ __ ]
00:29:19
>> It was incredible. By the way, the first
00:29:21
musical guest I had was Beyonce.
00:29:23
>> The second one was McCartney. And I've
00:29:25
had amazing musical acts.
00:29:27
>> So you you get to go, ladies and
00:29:29
gentlemen, Paul McCartney. You know, so
00:29:31
all these dream dream state fever.
00:29:33
>> I have a I still have the Q card. He
00:29:34
signed it for me.
00:29:37
[ __ ]
00:29:38
>> What would you like me to say on it,
00:29:39
Paul?
00:29:40
>> I got a call. Actually, it was about
00:29:41
1:00 in the morning and Bill her called
00:29:43
me. I was he says, "You want to know
00:29:45
who?" He goes, "Sorry I'm calling so
00:29:46
late, but I have to tell you, you want
00:29:48
to know who your musical guest is?" And
00:29:50
really said, he said, "Paul McCartney."
00:29:53
And I couldn't go back to sleep.
00:29:55
>> God damn. Well, out of out here's your
00:29:58
>> I think this is the guy Fred Armison was
00:29:59
talking about.
00:30:01
>> It sounds familiar.
00:30:03
>> You had One Direction, you had DJ
00:30:05
Khaled.
00:30:06
>> Out of those musical guests.
00:30:08
>> Yeah.
00:30:08
>> Do you have anyone's number?
00:30:12
>> Um I You know what? I think I had NY
00:30:17
from One Direction.
00:30:19
>> He works at Urban Outfitters now.
00:30:21
>> No, I'm kidding. That's the old spade, I
00:30:23
would assume.
00:30:23
>> That's that's that's the Hollywood men.
00:30:26
I don't do that.
00:30:27
>> And we emailed each other a few times.
00:30:28
They were great.
00:30:29
>> Yeah.
00:30:30
>> They were super
00:30:32
>> They're awesome.
00:30:33
>> Cool. And it was so crazy because it was
00:30:35
like the height of One Direction. Oh my
00:30:36
god. How crazy.
00:30:37
>> Were sleeping outside and Yeah, it was.
00:30:40
>> And they're mad. You're the one walking
00:30:41
out. They're like, "Where the [ __ ] is
00:30:43
Harry Styles?"
00:30:45
So,
00:30:46
>> by the way, totally.
00:30:48
>> Yeah. No [ __ ]
00:30:55
It's hard to get to know like we were
00:30:57
told sort of uh between the lines don't
00:31:00
talk to the host a lot like don't you
00:31:02
know you don't want to get in their face
00:31:03
when you're a cast member other than cuz
00:31:05
it's like when do you get to know each
00:31:07
other during a week because you know you
00:31:10
do read through and you leave and you're
00:31:11
sort of separate and you leave and then
00:31:14
in rehearsals you're sitting around for
00:31:16
a little bit so you can kind of [ __ ]
00:31:18
about it while you're in between. We're
00:31:20
going to fix something. Give us a
00:31:21
minute. Fixing a light. And then you
00:31:24
kind of get to know the host a little
00:31:25
just cuz you're right next to them. And
00:31:27
then you do this, do this. There's the
00:31:29
show, but everything's moving a million
00:31:31
miles an hour. Then there's a rap party.
00:31:33
And then you feel like this kinship,
00:31:35
>> but you didn't know any anyone that
00:31:37
well, but it's sort of a good feeling
00:31:39
because you went through this. So the
00:31:40
next time you host might be more fun
00:31:42
because you feel like you've got a base
00:31:44
now with everybody,
00:31:45
>> right?
00:31:45
>> And you sort of know. I imagine it's
00:31:46
different with, you know, with every
00:31:48
host
00:31:49
>> is there because the first time I did it
00:31:52
and and subsequently second, third time,
00:31:53
I mean, I've I've known people on the
00:31:55
show and have been friends with people
00:31:57
on the show.
00:31:58
>> And you do guest spots, too. You know,
00:32:00
>> I had done guest spots. Yeah. But there
00:32:01
the um the uh the idea it's like, okay,
00:32:05
well, that first day they were coming
00:32:07
around giving a pitch
00:32:09
>> and then I thought, okay, well, I can at
00:32:10
least go hang out with my friends and
00:32:12
talk about sketches. So, you know, you
00:32:14
guys know how that week works. And then
00:32:16
if Tuesday comes around, you and you go
00:32:18
out to dinner with Lauren and a few
00:32:20
other people from the show.
00:32:21
>> Mhm.
00:32:22
>> Some hosts will then just go back to
00:32:24
their hotel after that dinner.
00:32:27
>> Yeah.
00:32:27
>> I live in New York, but it so it's like
00:32:29
I just have to go home, but also after
00:32:31
the dinner, well, I'm going to go back
00:32:33
to 30 Rock and
00:32:34
>> help them write,
00:32:35
>> sit with the writers and hang out with
00:32:36
my friends and maybe try and come up
00:32:38
with ideas. And so I was I have always
00:32:41
been um every time I posted in those
00:32:44
rooms and trying to you know pitch
00:32:47
things or or help with if people are
00:32:49
writing things to kind of go around and
00:32:52
>> that is the fun. You know you sit on
00:32:54
some filthy couch and you
00:32:56
shoot around ideas and you're like this
00:32:58
could be on national TV in three days
00:33:01
and uh it's just you guys are laughing
00:33:03
saying the stupidest [ __ ] going what if
00:33:04
we put that in there? What if we say
00:33:06
like it a juice? I mean those sketches
00:33:08
writing them and you hear in the hallway
00:33:10
and you go this sounds funny
00:33:11
>> massive procrastination with anxiety
00:33:15
it's getting oh it's two okay it's three
00:33:19
at some point we got to make its
00:33:21
decision and then it's a fury of like
00:33:23
we'll do this we'll do this we'll do
00:33:24
this you know
00:33:25
>> but whenever I see people with talent
00:33:27
I'm always in awe of them when I see
00:33:29
them start to do their thing like
00:33:31
Kristen Wig was kind of shy and just
00:33:33
like hey what's up and then she just all
00:33:35
of a sudden like monster character or
00:33:38
something super talent. Did you
00:33:39
experience that in a way with different
00:33:41
cast members where you're like like Bill
00:33:43
her is so shy and Fred Armer said
00:33:45
they're so sweet and shy and soft-spoken
00:33:47
when you first meet them and then they
00:33:49
go out there what THE [ __ ] GOING ON
00:33:51
YOU KNOW THEY'RE JUST
00:33:52
>> and you think how can you be talented
00:33:54
you're quiet and polite
00:33:56
>> there are well there those guys are
00:33:57
comedy sants I mean I I don't know how
00:34:00
and Kristen I mean they're like genius
00:34:03
really incredible what they do and
00:34:07
>> you know um I'm always amazed and I'm
00:34:10
I'm such a fan such a fan of funny
00:34:13
people and comedy and people that have
00:34:16
been on that show, fans of you guys and
00:34:18
and so
00:34:19
>> like to to you know see to see all of
00:34:22
this stuff kind of
00:34:24
>> you know in person and then get to do it
00:34:26
with them uh it it's it's pretty
00:34:29
mindboggling. Yeah. And to see Kristen
00:34:31
Wig is uh she can kind of she can do
00:34:34
everything.
00:34:36
>> Yeah. to see them in their natural
00:34:37
habitat when they get into a character
00:34:39
and they're in a sketch and they're
00:34:40
cooking.
00:34:41
>> It's really fun to watch everybody
00:34:43
killing it.
00:34:44
>> Yeah.
00:34:44
>> It's also fun, like you said, when
00:34:45
you're when you're kind of in rehearsing
00:34:48
a sketch or they're figuring stuff out
00:34:50
and you're standing around with
00:34:51
everybody.
00:34:52
>> It's fun to see cast members who are
00:34:54
obviously really close with one another
00:34:57
uh start to do
00:34:58
>> bits. I mean, the king of it and so
00:35:02
>> hanging out is
00:35:04
hilarious.
00:35:06
Yeah, we would do that, too. I would try
00:35:08
to write people into sketches I just
00:35:10
wanted to hang out with.
00:35:11
>> Like, you know what I mean? Just put
00:35:12
everyone in because I know rehearsal is
00:35:14
kind of boring.
00:35:15
>> They just have the tape on the floor.
00:35:17
You don't know where this this [ __ ]
00:35:18
set isn't even made yet. And then you're
00:35:20
just blah. They're like, "Okay, hold on.
00:35:22
We got a lighting thing." And then
00:35:23
you're just making fun of each other and
00:35:25
someone's eating in the corner. And the
00:35:27
pressure is off at that point. It's not
00:35:29
pressure. You're just trying to get the
00:35:30
blocking down and it gets harder
00:35:32
throughout the week. But it's definitely
00:35:33
>> well you do you do Wednesday and you
00:35:36
hopefully it lands right that's the read
00:35:38
through and by Thursday you run it for
00:35:40
the crew and they kind of giggle there's
00:35:42
no sets first time second time
00:35:44
>> but you get a feel for it you get a feel
00:35:46
with the crew you get a feel laughs
00:35:48
>> by the time the dress show came around
00:35:50
on Saturday I was thinking we got
00:35:52
nothing you know I it'd been beat down
00:35:55
all the rehearsals and all the
00:35:57
walkthrough everyone
00:35:58
>> did you feel that like this thing peaked
00:36:00
on Thursday
00:36:01
>> oh yeah no one's laughing anymore. We we
00:36:03
we depend on the crew. They've already
00:36:05
heard it five times. You're like and
00:36:07
then hopefully sometimes at dress you're
00:36:09
like, "Damn, this is killing. It's
00:36:11
really fun." But then you have to not
00:36:13
peek at dress. How did you manage that?
00:36:15
>> Well, I just I just want to try and make
00:36:16
my way through it. Imagine peeking at
00:36:19
dress and not and not. But um that has
00:36:22
happened. I mean, there was one sketch
00:36:23
that I I think like repeatedly kept
00:36:25
coming back that I always liked and it
00:36:27
never made the show. And I think the
00:36:29
second or third time I said, "Look, can
00:36:30
we try it again?" But we never got one
00:36:32
time.
00:36:33
>> If it goes through read through and
00:36:35
doesn't get on, it's got a stink on it.
00:36:37
>> Even if there's no if there's no other
00:36:38
reason other than someone just read it
00:36:40
wrong or they forgot to do the accent
00:36:41
and you go, "No, no, it's just go."
00:36:43
Nope. The second time read, everyone
00:36:44
just leans back and you're like, "Don't
00:36:46
you [ __ ] take a dive on this one.
00:36:48
It's good."
00:36:49
>> And it's hard to resuscitate it. Or if
00:36:52
it got undress and goes away,
00:36:55
>> there's always that, well, there's a
00:36:56
reason it didn't get on air, so it's
00:36:58
hard to resuscitate.
00:36:59
>> And I've had that. It went undressed and
00:37:00
then it didn't go and but I always loved
00:37:03
it.
00:37:03
>> Give it a chance.
00:37:04
>> Do you want to share with us maybe
00:37:06
>> it was about the giving tree. I remember
00:37:08
it was a dad reading giving tree to his
00:37:11
kids not realizing that it's so sad and
00:37:14
he starts to spiral out and and and then
00:37:18
you know winds up
00:37:20
>> crying and you know uh drinking and the
00:37:23
cops come to the house. I mean it it you
00:37:25
know it just devolves into this uh
00:37:28
even now as I describe it I'm thinking
00:37:30
no I see why this
00:37:32
>> what was the what was the kid's name
00:37:35
>> in the sketch
00:37:36
>> I don't remember the kids names
00:37:38
>> I'm just trying to do an impression of
00:37:39
Lauren not thinking the sketch is going
00:37:41
well at read
00:37:41
>> I think maybe Bobby Moahan might have
00:37:43
been one of the kids but I think maybe a
00:37:45
girl was one of the girls might have
00:37:47
been named Susie
00:37:50
>> um Susie's sad uh Bobby Bobby sits back
00:37:53
uh Bobby Bobby Bobby uh has a tear. Uh
00:37:56
and that's
00:37:57
>> this is at reading stage direction,
00:38:00
>> right? Yep.
00:38:00
>> Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. To
00:38:02
>> and it's starting, you know, like this
00:38:04
one's not going to make it.
00:38:05
>> Yeah. Sense memory.
00:38:06
>> Is has there ever been like for you
00:38:08
guys, did you ever do a sketch that like
00:38:12
was the biggest surprise that it was the
00:38:14
sketch killed so hard and you really
00:38:17
didn't see that one coming? Is there one
00:38:19
that sticks out for either one of you
00:38:20
that
00:38:21
>> Well, I would say for you want to go
00:38:24
David from my very first SNL I'd never
00:38:28
done sketch and the church lady sketch
00:38:30
with Sigourney Weaver and Phil Hartman
00:38:32
and stuff moved up to the first sketch
00:38:36
and and then it really killed and it
00:38:39
really it's shocked me. I'd never had a
00:38:42
dress on. I'd done a little bit of the
00:38:44
character in my standup so that was that
00:38:46
was a big surprise.
00:38:48
Yeah, I just did one where it wasn't
00:38:50
that big of a sketch, but where I was a
00:38:52
receptionist and I kept condescendingly
00:38:54
talk to people and go and you are like I
00:38:56
it was like a Hollywood person didn't
00:38:57
really made people explain their credits
00:39:00
and then uh it was last in the show and
00:39:02
got put to first in the live show and it
00:39:05
was Roseanne Phil came in as Jesus
00:39:09
and uh there was one other person but it
00:39:11
it killed and it was first one up and
00:39:13
that's that was rarely happening with me
00:39:14
Dane it happened every week but to get
00:39:16
the first sketch out That was a big one.
00:39:18
>> When I did the pepper boy with Sandler
00:39:21
Boy,
00:39:21
>> it wasn't really happening throughout
00:39:24
the week. It wasn't really It did not
00:39:27
happen at dress, but we both just went
00:39:30
for it hard. Of course, we had Farley in
00:39:33
there, too. The ultimate Button. So,
00:39:35
that crushed on air
00:39:38
enough that Sandler called me at 4 in
00:39:40
the morning, just said, "Carvey, pepper
00:39:43
boy." That was it.
00:39:46
It's hard to kill in a restaurant sketch
00:39:49
in the corner.
00:39:50
>> Yeah.
00:39:50
>> You know, it's not at home base, right,
00:39:52
Paul? I mean, you know, you hard to time
00:39:54
the laughs. You can't quite hear the
00:39:55
audience.
00:39:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're kind of off to the
00:39:57
side. It's true. Where the above you
00:39:59
where you're doing the sketch on this on
00:40:01
stage makes it a difference. Huh.
00:40:03
>> Yes. Cuz you you can immediately kind of
00:40:04
feel and hear the audience or you're not
00:40:06
sure you you scored.
00:40:08
>> They're watching it on a 12-in TV and
00:40:10
the audience, you know what I mean?
00:40:11
They're like,
00:40:11
>> "Yeah."
00:40:11
>> Oh, wait. Cuz they can't see.
00:40:12
>> It's a really interesting point that you
00:40:14
don't hear about that often.
00:40:16
where you're actually doing. Well, I
00:40:18
would have when I got used to this
00:40:19
process, I would go to where the set
00:40:22
designers were. They had a little map of
00:40:24
8H
00:40:25
>> and I'd look at my sketch and I'd see it
00:40:27
in the corner
00:40:28
>> and I'd say, "Could I get this near home
00:40:30
base or whatever?" And they go, "Well,
00:40:32
not not if there's that."
00:40:33
>> What a [ __ ] cheater.
00:40:34
>> They go, "Not if there's an entrance."
00:40:36
I, "So, what if I take the entrance
00:40:37
out?" Oh, yeah. Then we can move it
00:40:39
here.
00:40:40
>> Oh my god.
00:40:40
>> No kidding. That's fascinating.
00:40:42
>> Oh, yeah. You know, I learned all the
00:40:44
concentrate.
00:40:45
>> That's true.
00:40:46
>> You got to do it, you know. But
00:40:48
>> what what about Please Don't Destroy.
00:40:50
That group was really good. Paul, you
00:40:51
did one called Good Variant. I saw it.
00:40:53
It was funny as [ __ ] They got a lot of
00:40:55
different moves in those things.
00:40:56
>> Yeah. Well, you know, we were supposed
00:40:57
to do a version of that. Those guys are
00:41:00
great, by the way. Um the the fifth
00:41:03
time, my fifth time uh I hosted the show
00:41:07
was cancelled the day of. It was the I
00:41:09
think it's the only time in SNL history
00:41:11
that a show got cancelled that day and
00:41:13
it was with you and
00:41:15
>> Well, Tom Hanks was there. Tom Hanks and
00:41:17
Tina
00:41:18
>> were there because they had come in
00:41:21
because they were in the monologue.
00:41:23
There was a big huge five timer.
00:41:25
>> Yeah. Mhm.
00:41:26
>> And then the show got cancelled at about
00:41:27
2 or 3 in the afternoon, but they were
00:41:29
already there. So, we were trying to
00:41:32
come up with a show on the fly. It was
00:41:34
really a fascinating thing to see and be
00:41:36
a part of. But earlier in that earlier
00:41:39
that week, I was going to do a uh please
00:41:42
don't destroy video, a version of the
00:41:45
good variant.
00:41:46
>> Yeah.
00:41:47
>> Um but the shoot got cancelled because
00:41:49
one of the guys got co
00:41:51
>> Oh, same [ __ ]
00:41:52
>> And so they had already had a crew and
00:41:55
the uh camera everything was set up to
00:41:58
film something that night. We took a
00:42:00
sketch and turned it into a into a film
00:42:04
and then we filmed that and then they
00:42:05
showed that during the show.
00:42:07
>> Was it that one or this one?
00:42:08
>> No, it was the one HomeGoods. It was a
00:42:11
show. It was the one with uh with 80 and
00:42:14
Kate about wanting grandkids and and
00:42:16
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I remember that
00:42:17
one.
00:42:18
>> Yeah. So, that was that was done in
00:42:20
place of the Please Don't Destroy.
00:42:23
>> It was it was COVID closure, right? And
00:42:25
it was uh
00:42:25
>> it was co Yeah. Because it it it
00:42:28
happened it was that week where the
00:42:30
really uh that omocrron variant really
00:42:32
>> came back hard. Yeah.
00:42:33
>> Yeah. Yeah. People were
00:42:36
>> Yeah. Everyone thought it was kind of
00:42:37
going away and then it came back [ __ ]
00:42:38
hard around November, December or
00:42:40
something. Yeah.
00:42:41
>> Yeah. It was I mean it was really uh
00:42:43
tense and that you know we were all
00:42:45
going through our testing and then that
00:42:46
morning I remember going in and getting
00:42:48
tested Saturday morning
00:42:50
>> crossing your fingers
00:42:51
>> totally and I remember I got the results
00:42:54
of my test. It came back negative and I
00:42:57
I was just jumping for joy. Like, thank
00:43:01
God. Perfect, bro. And then and then the
00:43:03
whole thing got shut down.
00:43:04
>> Can't do without the host. So, you get
00:43:05
through and then they shut it down.
00:43:07
Anyway, that's such a drag.
00:43:08
>> Yeah. Um, it was a bummer.
00:43:09
>> And that that monologue was weird
00:43:11
because I I hosted for Kimmel once and
00:43:14
it was in a house with a monologue with
00:43:17
no people. So, I said to the crew
00:43:19
before, "You we rehearsing it." I go,
00:43:21
"You can laugh." They go, "Oh, we're not
00:43:22
supposed to." I go, "Please, God, give
00:43:24
me a tiny noise. Anything to play off
00:43:27
of, just to dart my eyes around, just to
00:43:29
make it feel like there's some life in
00:43:30
here because
00:43:32
>> just to nothing is too hard." So, when
00:43:33
you did yours, I could hear a little bit
00:43:36
of something. That must have been crew
00:43:37
or writers or something.
00:43:39
>> Yeah, I think that's what it was. Um,
00:43:42
and you know, Michael Chay and and and
00:43:44
and Kanan stuck around, but that that
00:43:46
was it. And uh and yeah, some of the
00:43:48
crew guys. And so there was some
00:43:50
laughter and Higgins was there. Uh but
00:43:54
it was so strange. It was such a weird
00:43:56
feeling
00:43:56
>> that that was one of the weirdest most I
00:43:59
mean just no audience on Saturday Night
00:44:02
Live because
00:44:02
>> no audience and also no real rehearsal
00:44:05
no nothing and and for the hours before
00:44:08
the show it's like well what do we do?
00:44:10
What I mean we have to write something
00:44:14
and figure out what it is. And I
00:44:17
remember Lauren saying, "Do you have any
00:44:19
um Christmas uh you know episode that
00:44:22
you really like?" And I said, "You know,
00:44:25
I remember when I was in high school
00:44:28
seeing
00:44:29
>> uh Steve Martin talk about uh you know,
00:44:32
the his Christmas wish and
00:44:35
memorized it and I loved it because
00:44:37
Steve Martin and um and so it was great.
00:44:39
>> We'll dig it up.
00:44:40
>> It's on. It's in the show. Wait a
00:44:42
minute. You now officially have joined
00:44:44
uh the 70 timer club of someone who does
00:44:48
a great Lauren.
00:44:49
>> Yeah,
00:44:50
>> it is so weird whenever you are around
00:44:52
anybody. Doesn't matter when they were
00:44:54
on SNL people start talking about
00:44:56
Lauren, they just start going into
00:44:58
>> they go right into it. So you
00:45:01
>> you spent a lot of time with Lauren
00:45:02
because Lauren spends a lot of time with
00:45:04
the host and also you get start. You're
00:45:06
a friend.
00:45:06
>> You're the third Paul. He likes Paul
00:45:08
McCartney. Paul Simon.
00:45:11
I I like all the polls. No, he's he's
00:45:14
he's we love him, too. He's he's an
00:45:16
amazing guy.
00:45:18
>> Yeah. Nobody's ever done what he's done.
00:45:21
>> Not even close.
00:45:22
>> Yeah.
00:45:23
>> I mean, 50 years. Are you going to be at
00:45:25
the 50th?
00:45:26
>> I certainly hope so. Yeah. I mean, I
00:45:28
would love to. I was at the 40th, which
00:45:30
was I mean, what a incredible
00:45:32
>> That was a real [ __ ] blow.
00:45:33
>> I remember we had a little running gig.
00:45:35
I just had met you that night or
00:45:36
something. That's right. liked you right
00:45:38
away and I would every time I'd go do
00:45:41
something I'd say to you, I'm gonna
00:45:42
bring you up. It was so ridiculous. I'm
00:45:44
going to do Wayne's World. I'm gonna
00:45:46
bring you up.
00:45:49
That's right.
00:45:50
>> Yeah, that was the the 40th. Uh, but so
00:45:53
with Lauren and your relationship, do
00:45:54
you have any I mean I I hate to say,
00:45:56
hey, I have any stories about Lauren,
00:45:57
but did you ever stay all night at the
00:45:59
party or do you kind of cuz Lauren will
00:46:01
stay till 6:00 a.m. Do you kind of
00:46:03
Lauren, I got to go or
00:46:05
>> No, I will never I'll never leave early.
00:46:08
Um, are you smoking out, especially if
00:46:11
I'm sitting at a table with Lauren? I
00:46:12
mean, I will uh you know, even recently
00:46:16
I I went just to to um watch the show
00:46:19
and it's like I'm at that party and it's
00:46:22
like the greatest thing. I'm sitting
00:46:23
with I went with Marty and Steve were
00:46:24
hosting
00:46:25
>> and uh and I'm at the table afterward
00:46:28
with Martin Short and Lauren and then of
00:46:30
course I'm in the middle and I just want
00:46:32
to start hearing them talk about Three
00:46:34
Amigos
00:46:35
>> which of course happened
00:46:37
>> and uh
00:46:38
>> and it's
00:46:39
>> it's amazing. It's amazing there. There
00:46:42
are there are many times that I just
00:46:46
kind of step outside of what's actually
00:46:48
happening in the moment and say can I
00:46:50
cannot I cannot believe this. I just
00:46:53
can't believe it. And there's something
00:46:54
like having it on this show with these
00:46:56
guys. I had it at that at that table
00:46:58
listening to the three amigos stories. I
00:47:00
had it when I was hosting SNL and uh
00:47:02
Paul McCartney was the musical guest and
00:47:04
there were many times that week that I
00:47:06
mean I couldn't believe what I was
00:47:08
seeing. And I had that same thing. I did
00:47:10
a I did a I did one of those um I did a
00:47:13
you know a Lonely Island video that week
00:47:16
and Andy and I they pulled in Paul
00:47:19
McCartney who did a little thing on it
00:47:21
and I love it
00:47:22
>> and we were standing around the three of
00:47:23
us for an hour and he was just telling
00:47:25
us stories about John Lennon and the
00:47:29
Beatles and everything.
00:47:30
>> Wow. Now I'm jealous.
00:47:32
>> Yeah. I'll tell you one of the honestly
00:47:34
one of the coolest things I have ever
00:47:36
experienced ever
00:47:38
>> was on the Thursday, you know, Thursday
00:47:41
for um people that don't know that's
00:47:43
when the band really kind of comes in
00:47:45
for the first time and they do their run
00:47:47
through. And so we were taking those
00:47:50
pictures that you they use for the
00:47:52
bumpers
00:47:53
>> next to the stage. So Thursday comes in,
00:47:55
Thursday happens, the band comes in and
00:47:58
we're taking pictures and um Marielle
00:48:01
and I said, "We're not going to take
00:48:03
pictures. We have to go watch Paul
00:48:04
McCartney." So we did and um he
00:48:08
performed I played a couple of songs and
00:48:10
then there was a grand piano on the
00:48:11
floor and um he didn't know what he was
00:48:15
really going to play so he just came
00:48:16
down and sat behind the piano and
00:48:19
there's maybe you know the crew is
00:48:21
there. It's probably about 20 people.
00:48:23
>> And he sat down at the piano and he just
00:48:26
started playing the long and winding
00:48:27
road.
00:48:28
>> Wow. I got chills. I got chills.
00:48:31
>> I know. And I was standing 10 ft
00:48:34
>> 10 feet behind him,
00:48:36
>> you know, and and I'm just I hadn't met
00:48:37
him. I hadn't I was just kind of
00:48:40
observing and like I couldn't believe I
00:48:42
was in the same room with Paul
00:48:42
McCartney. But I was standing behind him
00:48:44
and I was looking at his hands playing
00:48:46
the keys and I was looking at his feet
00:48:48
pressing the pedals and hearing him sing
00:48:51
Long and Winding Road and thinking, "Oh
00:48:54
my god, that's the that's him. That's
00:48:57
the guy who made this." And those are
00:48:59
the foot pedals that he you know that he
00:49:02
pressed that same way when he recorded
00:49:04
it. And it was it was amazing. It was
00:49:06
just amazing. And everyone applauded
00:49:07
when he finished. He said, "Oh, thank
00:49:09
you. Thank you." Then he went into Lady
00:49:10
Madonna. And then more people kind of
00:49:13
started coming into the room and Lauren
00:49:15
came in
00:49:16
>> and he wound up playing about 10 Beatles
00:49:19
songs just for us in the room.
00:49:21
>> Just piano.
00:49:22
>> Just piano.
00:49:23
>> Yeah.
00:49:24
>> You know, how does how does he come up
00:49:26
with those those middle eights they call
00:49:28
them? The change ups and the the chord
00:49:30
structure and how it just hits you every
00:49:32
time.
00:49:33
>> Iman Lennon,
00:49:34
>> it's divine. There's no I mean I'm I'm
00:49:36
in that I don't think they're the
00:49:38
greatest band that has ever existed.
00:49:40
They're the greatest band that ever will
00:49:42
exist. They are like Shakespeare.
00:49:44
They're like Bach. They're like every
00:49:47
several hundred years somebody or
00:49:50
something comes along that redefineses
00:49:53
that kind of beauty. And um and I think
00:49:56
the Beatles are that they are for me. I
00:49:59
>> I couldn't have said that better. That's
00:50:00
really well put. And Cheryl Crow said to
00:50:02
us that she thought that Blackbird and
00:50:05
Yesterday were the greatest songs ever
00:50:07
written for for her. I There's so many.
00:50:09
That's the thing. They have so many. And
00:50:11
she thought it was, she didn't say it in
00:50:12
a heavy way, almost divine. There's
00:50:14
almost something like how did those two
00:50:17
guys essentially go to high school
00:50:18
together and then find those other two
00:50:20
guys and find George Martin and write a
00:50:23
hundred masterpieces
00:50:25
in six years, you know? It's crazy.
00:50:28
>> And then and maybe record three of them
00:50:30
in one day.
00:50:31
>> Yeah.
00:50:31
>> Yeah. Remember Dana when he said dur we
00:50:34
we talked to him Paul and he said uh
00:50:36
>> during that get back thing we were
00:50:38
fawning over you know that the
00:50:39
documentary and we said unbelievable he
00:50:41
said he came in with was it yesterday or
00:50:44
and he goes
00:50:45
>> well for that one he did have long and
00:50:47
windy road and he had get back you know
00:50:50
he was in kind of
00:50:50
>> he said I came with it and I go do you
00:50:52
walk in like I got a [ __ ] banger and
00:50:55
he goes no you can't you have to go
00:50:57
under and just go hey I got I got one if
00:50:59
you guys want to hear it I worked on
00:51:01
just to probably just for ego- wise like
00:51:03
let everyone go let us find it if we
00:51:06
like it you know and I think it was
00:51:07
either yesterday or some other monster
00:51:09
>> well yesterday was a little earlier but
00:51:12
he did let it he was he he he did uh
00:51:15
>> and they love it
00:51:16
>> let it be I think on on
00:51:17
>> yeah oh yeah he was playing that and
00:51:19
then um
00:51:21
>> uh and then my god when he sits down
00:51:23
he's playing and he is playing
00:51:25
>> uh get back and George and Ringo are
00:51:27
just sitting across from listening and
00:51:29
Ringo starts clapping his hands to a
00:51:31
beat And and you just think and same
00:51:33
thing like I'm how are we seeing this?
00:51:35
This is the first time these guys are
00:51:37
hearing this.
00:51:38
>> They don't know what this song is going
00:51:40
to be. It's just
00:51:42
>> it's magical. I couldn't get over that
00:51:44
that I wanted nine more hours. I
00:51:46
couldn't what I was seeing.
00:51:48
>> Wow. And you know I in my age group I
00:51:51
was you know watching them in real time
00:51:53
having older brothers. So I was nine
00:51:55
when they're on Ed Sullivan. But I love
00:51:57
when I hear someone who probably first
00:51:59
heard them in the 70s late 70 after they
00:52:03
because the
00:52:04
>> the wave was so high and by they left at
00:52:06
69 I don't think anybody even them
00:52:09
understood what had happened
00:52:10
>> right
00:52:10
>> so and then people like you come along
00:52:12
and then younger people keep coming
00:52:14
along and we're all trying to figure it
00:52:16
out
00:52:17
>> and Dennis Miller said to me he doesn't
00:52:19
he he can figure out the stones he can
00:52:21
figure out Pink Floyd Dennis Miller said
00:52:23
he can figure out Zeppelin and he goes
00:52:25
honest to God Carvey I can't wrap my
00:52:27
mind around the Beatles. Okay.
00:52:29
>> It's too much.
00:52:30
>> I know. It's It's true. It It Because
00:52:33
they have that thing u that you can't
00:52:36
define. It's something otherworldly.
00:52:39
It's why if you play the Beatles for
00:52:42
kids now, they caught on to them.
00:52:44
There's just it's it's hitting all of us
00:52:46
on some kind of level that is something
00:52:48
else. I don't know what it is, but
00:52:50
>> I'll show you this thing. I just got
00:52:52
Paul. I got [ __ ] Lennon's glasses
00:52:55
from that photo.
00:52:57
>> Oh my god. His real glasses from that
00:53:00
photo. Oh my god. Isn't
00:53:01
>> that sick?
00:53:03
>> Damn. David is holding up a picture of
00:53:06
John Lennon and he bought the glasses at
00:53:08
an auction. I'm just telling the
00:53:10
listeners.
00:53:11
>> It was a bit steep, but it was because
00:53:14
you never see [ __ ] like that come along.
00:53:16
And I saw it and I was like
00:53:18
>> and I called the auction place and he
00:53:20
goes, "Well,
00:53:21
>> it's going to go up." I said, "I got to
00:53:23
try to get in there." And I just got
00:53:24
horny for I was like, "It's too [ __ ]
00:53:26
cool." Cuz win in your life, Lennon and
00:53:28
McCartney and
00:53:29
>> and they they had proof it was his and I
00:53:32
said, "Oh,
00:53:32
>> I used to do it with a friend of mine at
00:53:34
some of the SNL parties."
00:53:36
>> Everyone's really, you know, just cool
00:53:39
people are coming to the SNL party.
00:53:40
Maybe it's Elton John or whatever. And
00:53:42
we used to imagine, you know, what if
00:53:44
John Lennon could walk in, you know, we
00:53:46
were like, who would just everyone would
00:53:47
just stop? And
00:53:49
>> so, yeah. Anyway, I'm with you, Paul.
00:53:52
We, you, me, Fred Armerson, and David,
00:53:54
and whoever else wants to join us. We
00:53:56
should have dinner and just fan out on
00:53:58
on try to
00:53:59
>> There are like I can't I I will talk
00:54:02
about the Beatles forever, I just once
00:54:05
that subject comes up or if I see a
00:54:06
picture or if there's some kind of video
00:54:09
clip or something, um I conversation
00:54:12
stops.
00:54:13
>> I know. I love the unheralded ones kind
00:54:15
of compared to we hear let it be a lot
00:54:16
and hey Jude they're brilliant but here
00:54:18
there and everywhere
00:54:20
>> for no for no one I mean no reply by
00:54:23
John Lennon is one of the most
00:54:25
heartbreaking pieces of and Paul maybe
00:54:27
wrote the middle eight anyway back to
00:54:29
Paul Rudd who's a super beetle fan
00:54:37
>> oh I have a question about Clueless he's
00:54:39
been in so many monsters like Anchorman
00:54:40
and Clueless
00:54:42
>> when did you make your first million
00:54:43
dollars. Was it around clueless or
00:54:46
around after that? God
00:54:47
>> wouldn't have been clueless.
00:54:49
>> No, that was
00:54:50
>> But did that get you paid after that or
00:54:52
did it take another five years?
00:54:53
>> No, no, no, not not at all.
00:54:55
>> I'm going to guess.
00:54:57
>> Let me see if that was 95. Oh, by the
00:54:59
way, we came out '95 and so did Billy
00:55:01
Madison. So, Clueless, Tommy Boy, Billy
00:55:04
Madison.
00:55:06
>> Oh, that was [ __ ] some comedies. My
00:55:08
god. Yeah.
00:55:09
>> Mhm.
00:55:09
>> Yeah. I don't I don't
00:55:12
way way way later. Way late. Well, it
00:55:15
might have been it might have been like
00:55:16
actually kind of around Marvel
00:55:17
>> because it wasn't you were in ensemble
00:55:20
one. So, they can't pay everyone that
00:55:22
much if you're in a movie with Will
00:55:23
Frell or Steve Carell or
00:55:25
>> Oh, yeah. A lot of those. Uh so then
00:55:28
then when it was Paul Rudd's movie then
00:55:31
they do a little bit better.
00:55:33
>> I honestly I'm just like I'm just happy
00:55:34
to work.
00:55:35
>> Of course. Well, I know
00:55:36
>> and certainly and certainly with those
00:55:37
guys. I mean, you know, do it for free.
00:55:40
>> Wet Hot American Summer is a little
00:55:42
nugget that's just that might I mean,
00:55:45
now I don't remember everything about
00:55:46
it, but I remember going, "This is a
00:55:48
cool movie." And we I I try to get that
00:55:50
director to do something, I think,
00:55:52
because I thought I go, "Oh, [ __ ] This
00:55:54
is such a weird funny, cool, low-budget,
00:55:58
well done." You must hear about that one
00:56:00
a lot.
00:56:02
Yeah, it it it um I think it was
00:56:05
probably partially responsible for me
00:56:08
getting cast in Anchor Man, honestly,
00:56:09
because it was a movie that came out and
00:56:11
and you know, no one knew it really, but
00:56:13
comedy fans and comedy writers
00:56:16
>> Yeah.
00:56:16
>> really kind of took to it and and I
00:56:20
>> I loved it when I read it. It took a
00:56:22
while to get it made. No one wanted to
00:56:24
make it,
00:56:25
>> but um I had met David Wayne and Sha
00:56:29
Walter and a lot of those guys. is they
00:56:30
were in a comedy troop called The State
00:56:33
that used to be on MTV
00:56:35
>> and um you know they lived in New York
00:56:37
and I lived in New York and um and I was
00:56:40
a comedy fan anyway and we had some
00:56:42
mutual friends and so I met them and and
00:56:43
David said man this script uh if you
00:56:48
want to read it I think I had just done
00:56:50
Clueless I mean it wasn't that long
00:56:52
afterward
00:56:53
>> and um
00:56:54
>> and I read it and thought I've never
00:56:56
>> like this is the funniest thing I've
00:56:58
ever read and you you never get to
00:56:59
really read anything that really makes
00:57:01
you laugh like that or I certainly
00:57:03
hadn't up until that point.
00:57:05
>> I did I felt that way with Anchor Man
00:57:07
too, but um I I used to keep that script
00:57:11
around and just read it for pleasure
00:57:12
because it was so funny
00:57:14
>> and also to get it from the script to
00:57:16
the screen. There's so many ways you can
00:57:17
screw it up and you know, I'm sure you
00:57:19
know this. I've done a lot of comedy
00:57:21
movies and some just don't connect by
00:57:23
the time you go through all the process
00:57:24
and you're like, "Fuck, where did it go
00:57:26
wrong?" And uh
00:57:27
>> well, I think that with that it was just
00:57:29
like uh there weren't many cooks in the
00:57:32
kitchen. Yeah. And it was it didn't it
00:57:34
didn't it you know it had a very small
00:57:36
budget. No one was really paying any
00:57:37
attention. And we filmed it at a summer
00:57:40
camp and it was people everyone that
00:57:41
worked on it I think we all had similar
00:57:43
s sensibilities and we found the same
00:57:45
things funny and so
00:57:47
>> meatballs or something. Yeah.
00:57:48
>> Yeah. Yeah, it was like a singular
00:57:49
voice. And I remember Zack Orth, the
00:57:52
actor that he, a friend of mine that was
00:57:54
working on the film, halfway through
00:57:55
said, "I don't know if this movie will
00:57:57
ever come out. I just want to get a copy
00:57:59
of it." Uh, you know, uh, very good
00:58:02
sign. I just wonder, you know, when I'm
00:58:04
looking at these notes here, you know,
00:58:06
studying your career, it it's quality. I
00:58:09
mean, I don't see any any evidence of
00:58:12
you taking a role because because you
00:58:16
needed the money or something. It just
00:58:17
seems like there's a consistent theme
00:58:19
with you. You It's all the way through.
00:58:22
You You did uh Living with Yourself. You
00:58:24
executive produced, got a Golden Globe
00:58:25
nomination where you played opposite
00:58:27
yourself. All kinds of quality work. So,
00:58:29
were you ever tempted like have you have
00:58:31
they backed up the Brink Truck for
00:58:33
commercials? I mean, but commercials are
00:58:35
totally fine. I would do any commercial
00:58:37
if anyone's listening right now. In the
00:58:39
90s, you weren't supposed to do them.
00:58:40
Taco Bell. Sorry. But that have you
00:58:43
gotten stuff where because of
00:58:46
Paul Rudd, you know, the the indust
00:58:49
like I'd like to take a lot of money.
00:58:51
It's just not for me. You know, you're
00:58:53
at that point now where you have to
00:58:54
navigate that.
00:58:55
>> Well, yeah. I I think that I'd say
00:58:58
through the, you know, majority of my
00:59:01
career, I've always tried to make as
00:59:03
many um decisions if I had the luxury of
00:59:06
making a decision uh to, you know, to
00:59:09
have it be some an artistic decision and
00:59:11
never trying to do anything for the
00:59:12
money. And
00:59:14
>> um
00:59:14
>> that's usually good. know
00:59:16
>> sometimes sometimes you you you have to
00:59:18
I could certainly point you to a couple
00:59:20
on that resume that
00:59:22
>> say well that one I kind of like
00:59:24
>> okay well we'll ignore that you know
00:59:27
>> but no I would say I would say uh of of
00:59:30
the decisions that I've made in my
00:59:32
career
00:59:33
>> Mhm. 97 to 98% of that has been because
00:59:38
I really thought uh it was something I
00:59:41
wanted to do and that it had the
00:59:42
potential to be something fun or
00:59:45
interesting or something I would want to
00:59:46
see.
00:59:48
>> Um and and I tried to always have that
00:59:51
kind of be my guiding light. When I was
00:59:55
in my 20s and 30s and I wanted to be an
00:59:57
actor, I really also went a different
01:00:00
kind of way. And I would always think of
01:00:01
bands that I really liked. I always
01:00:03
think of music always seemed to kind of
01:00:06
be the the north star for me more so
01:00:09
than other actors or uh uh acting uh
01:00:13
careers. I I would just think of
01:00:14
musicians that I liked and I lot I liked
01:00:17
lots of cool indie musicians and I
01:00:19
thought well would you know would Tom
01:00:21
Weights think this is cool? Would he do
01:00:23
this or would Elvis Costello do this?
01:00:26
Would he make this decision? And it
01:00:27
seemed like all the things that I liked
01:00:29
were artistic decisions made by people
01:00:31
who I admired. And so I really tried to
01:00:34
kind of follow that path with comedies
01:00:38
that, you know, I think with Wet Hot
01:00:41
American Summer and then when Anchor Man
01:00:43
came around, those were two things I
01:00:44
really really wanted to do. um because I
01:00:47
felt as if more than anything else I'd
01:00:50
I'd ever read up until that point, it
01:00:52
spoke to uh me and my own kind of what I
01:00:56
thought was funny. Um and I really
01:00:58
wanted to be a part of that. Um and and
01:01:02
I think that that then turned into
01:01:04
working with Jud over and over again. I
01:01:07
didn't see much like the Ant-Man thing,
01:01:09
I didn't see that lane coming. I did not
01:01:12
expect over the following many years to
01:01:14
work with a lot of those guys again uh
01:01:16
on a lot of comedies. I'm you know it
01:01:18
it's still it was the most fun. It still
01:01:20
is.
01:01:21
>> Uh but it's it was always I think I was
01:01:25
always following that like this would be
01:01:28
fun. I think this is funny. I really
01:01:30
like these people. I like these actors.
01:01:32
I'd love to be a part of this. So
01:01:35
>> wow. I think you're twin the two lanes
01:01:37
that explain this. One is what you just
01:01:39
said and the other of never losing a
01:01:43
sense of awe and wonder of this
01:01:46
remarkable good fortune we have to be in
01:01:49
show business. And for sure you you meet
01:01:52
people that get bitter or kind of angry
01:01:54
or whatever, you know, rather than just
01:01:56
like
01:01:57
>> I can't believe we're able to actually
01:01:59
do this on any level, you know? I mean,
01:02:02
right now I'm working.
01:02:05
>> I think that all the time.
01:02:07
>> Yeah. I'll be, you know, even it's like
01:02:10
you're in the middle of some some scene
01:02:13
and you're just going some improvisation
01:02:15
about farts or something. You can I'm at
01:02:17
work right now. This is my job.
01:02:21
>> Okay, before we before we let you get
01:02:24
back to your other job, so you you label
01:02:26
things. Kevin Dan told me you love a
01:02:28
pouch, which you make labels, and you
01:02:31
love to put labels.
01:02:32
>> I love a pouch.
01:02:33
>> And you put labels on everything.
01:02:36
>> You have one. This is my These are my
01:02:39
>> There it is.
01:02:40
>> That just organizes my organizes your
01:02:42
brain to get it labelled.
01:02:44
>> These are my These are my AirPods. And
01:02:46
by the way, it's my second case. That's
01:02:47
why it says number two on it.
01:02:48
>> That's hot.
01:02:50
>> All right. So, that's Are you of with
01:02:52
your wife and are you the tidy one or or
01:02:55
equally as far as how having the kitchen
01:02:57
clean and stuff like that?
01:02:59
>> Uh well, she can be she's pretty clean.
01:03:01
She'll, you know, uh, but I I think that
01:03:03
there's a there's a level that I will
01:03:06
take it that is maybe a little, you
01:03:08
know,
01:03:08
>> Yeah. I'm kind of the
01:03:09
>> a little too Jean the anal retentive
01:03:12
chef.
01:03:14
>> Yeah. Oh, fell.
01:03:16
>> Do you have any other secret secret show
01:03:19
business dream?
01:03:20
>> I mean, would you want to get
01:03:22
>> direct
01:03:22
>> do a Gary Oldman like playing Churchill
01:03:24
kind of thing or, you know, or Scorsese
01:03:27
movie where you're a gangster or just
01:03:29
whatever comes? I don't know. Yeah, I
01:03:31
you know I don't I don't necessarily
01:03:33
point in terms of like a type of role,
01:03:35
but I mean I would certainly like to do
01:03:37
things I haven't done and work with many
01:03:39
people that you know like great
01:03:41
directors like Scorsese and there's so
01:03:43
many incredible directors.
01:03:44
>> If Tarantino wanted you in a film, would
01:03:46
you take the call?
01:03:47
>> In a heartbeat for sure.
01:03:50
>> That's a good plan. I got obsessed with
01:03:52
the last one, Once Upon a Time in
01:03:54
Hollywood.
01:03:54
>> Oh my god,
01:03:55
>> I saw it so many times.
01:03:56
>> It's so good. Yeah,
01:03:58
>> he's great. What? What an amazing
01:04:00
director he is.
01:04:01
>> Yeah.
01:04:01
>> Yeah. I would I would jump at the
01:04:02
chance. Cohen brothers. I mean like it
01:04:04
just there's so many
01:04:06
>> there's so many uh
01:04:08
>> that you're just going to say yes. Yeah.
01:04:10
>> Mike Lee.
01:04:12
>> Um I mean there's so many great
01:04:13
directors. Most people I think probably
01:04:15
wouldn't think of me for some of these
01:04:17
things at this point, but I'd love to do
01:04:19
more kind of versatile, you know,
01:04:22
dramatic roles or whatever, but uh I
01:04:25
don't know. I've also haven't really
01:04:27
tried to, for better or worse, guide my
01:04:31
career by thinking, well, I just did a
01:04:34
comedy, now I'm going to do something
01:04:35
really dramatic. You know, I think other
01:04:38
actors probably do that and it's might
01:04:40
be smart. I just think like, oh, that'd
01:04:42
be fun.
01:04:43
>> Yeah. Doesn't always sync up perfectly
01:04:45
like that.
01:04:46
>> No. No. And that's the other thing, too,
01:04:48
is that people always say, "Well, why
01:04:49
did you choose this and why did you
01:04:51
choose that?" And I I want to say, well,
01:04:53
you know, you don't always get to
01:04:54
choose.
01:04:55
>> Yeah.
01:04:55
>> There's a bit of whimsy to it. Jack
01:04:57
Palance told me that once. They got all
01:04:59
the parts. It's all about the parts. And
01:05:02
if you get the parts, Spencer Tracy got
01:05:04
took that part. I didn't get to do that
01:05:05
part. I don't do a Jack Pants. That's an
01:05:07
old reference lost on younger viewers.
01:05:09
>> Not at all. You start doing some one-
01:05:10
arm push-ups right now. I'm gonna, you
01:05:12
know.
01:05:13
>> Oh, yeah.
01:05:14
>> All right. Well, thank you, Paul.
01:05:15
>> Thank you.
01:05:16
>> You're a [ __ ] stud.
01:05:18
>> This has been really interesting and
01:05:19
enjoyed it very much. Yeah. So, I feel
01:05:22
like I know you a lot better than I did
01:05:24
after the 40th.
01:05:25
>> I know. Well, this is the great thing.
01:05:27
Well, when I see you at the 50th, we're
01:05:29
gonna really have a lot to talk about.
01:05:32
And And I'm coming up. If you bring me
01:05:34
up on the 50th, I'm coming up.
01:05:36
>> I'll be so excited to see you. I'll kiss
01:05:37
you on both cheeks.
01:05:39
>> Yeah.
01:05:40
>> And then go, "What did I just do?"
01:05:42
>> I'll be plus one.
01:05:44
>> Uh Paul, thanks, buddy. Very cool of you
01:05:47
to come on and talk. And uh
01:05:48
>> thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate
01:05:50
it. Say hello to
01:05:51
>> I really appreciate it.
01:05:52
>> Steve and Marty and I I've never met
01:05:54
Melena.
01:05:56
>> Tell her I love her.
01:05:57
>> I will tell her.
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